Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Colin Stanners]

Chuck, you can use hosts file entries on your PC so it will go to a
different IP address even if the domain hasn't transferred.

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 12:01 PM,  wrote:

> Not sure.  Since the domain has not transferred yet I cannot even get into
> the back end of the new list server.  Not sure how many knobs it has.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, June 8, 2018 10:44 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list
>
> if there is a mechanism to sign up manually, it might be best to share in
> the event it doesnt migrate well so the info is already out there
>
> out of curiousity, is the new list going to be publicly searchable like
> the aws list?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:10 AM  wrote:
>
>> I should be able to automatically sign everyone up.  I have the list.  I
>> believe there is a bulk import.
>> It may send you a note asking you to verify.  I would hope it will.
>>
>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 8, 2018 9:07 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list
>>
>> So before it dies, is there a process for us to sign up for the new
>> list?
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:55 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> It is gonna die any day now.  I gave GoDaddy the magic Tucows key to
>>> steal it away from them.
>>>
>>> I have mailman hired to host.
>>>
>>> I keep checking on the status of the domain transfer and it just says
>>> “in process” or something like that.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Carl Peterson
>>
>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>
>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=401+E+Pratt+St,+Ste+2553+%0D%0A+++Baltimore,+MD+21202=gmail=g>
>>
>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=401+E+Pratt+St,+Ste+2553+%0D%0A+++Baltimore,+MD+21202=gmail=g>
>>
>> (410) 637-3707
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Steve Jones]

is there a red button perhaps that says dont push? push that button

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 5:36 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Knobs, switches , buttons and levers!!
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018, 11:01 AM  wrote:
>
>> Not sure.  Since the domain has not transferred yet I cannot even get
>> into the back end of the new list server.  Not sure how many knobs it has.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 8, 2018 10:44 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list
>>
>> if there is a mechanism to sign up manually, it might be best to share in
>> the event it doesnt migrate well so the info is already out there
>>
>> out of curiousity, is the new list going to be publicly searchable like
>> the aws list?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:10 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I should be able to automatically sign everyone up.  I have the list.  I
>>> believe there is a bulk import.
>>> It may send you a note asking you to verify.  I would hope it will.
>>>
>>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 8, 2018 9:07 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list
>>>
>>> So before it dies, is there a process for us to sign up for the new
>>> list?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:55 AM,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is gonna die any day now.  I gave GoDaddy the magic Tucows key to
>>>> steal it away from them.
>>>>
>>>> I have mailman hired to host.
>>>>
>>>> I keep checking on the status of the domain transfer and it just says
>>>> “in process” or something like that.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Carl Peterson
>>>
>>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>>
>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>>
>>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>>
>>> (410) 637-3707
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Jaime Solorza]

Knobs, switches , buttons and levers!!

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018, 11:01 AM  wrote:

> Not sure.  Since the domain has not transferred yet I cannot even get into
> the back end of the new list server.  Not sure how many knobs it has.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, June 8, 2018 10:44 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list
>
> if there is a mechanism to sign up manually, it might be best to share in
> the event it doesnt migrate well so the info is already out there
>
> out of curiousity, is the new list going to be publicly searchable like
> the aws list?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:10 AM  wrote:
>
>> I should be able to automatically sign everyone up.  I have the list.  I
>> believe there is a bulk import.
>> It may send you a note asking you to verify.  I would hope it will.
>>
>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 8, 2018 9:07 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list
>>
>> So before it dies, is there a process for us to sign up for the new
>> list?
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:55 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> It is gonna die any day now.  I gave GoDaddy the magic Tucows key to
>>> steal it away from them.
>>>
>>> I have mailman hired to host.
>>>
>>> I keep checking on the status of the domain transfer and it just says
>>> “in process” or something like that.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Carl Peterson
>>
>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>
>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>
>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>
>> (410) 637-3707
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[chuck]

Not sure.  Since the domain has not transferred yet I cannot even get into the 
back end of the new list server.  Not sure how many knobs it has.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 10:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this list

if there is a mechanism to sign up manually, it might be best to share in the 
event it doesnt migrate well so the info is already out there 

out of curiousity, is the new list going to be publicly searchable like the aws 
list?




On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:10 AM  wrote:

  I should be able to automatically sign everyone up.  I have the list.  I 
believe there is a bulk import.  
  It may send you a note asking you to verify.  I would hope it will.  

  From: Carl Peterson 
  Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 9:07 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this list

  So before it dies, is there a process for us to sign up for the new list?  

  On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:55 AM,  wrote:

It is gonna die any day now.  I gave GoDaddy the magic Tucows key to steal 
it away from them.

I have mailman hired to host.  

I keep checking on the status of the domain transfer and it just says “in 
process” or something like that.  




  -- 

  Carl Peterson


  PORT NETWORKS

  401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

  Baltimore, MD 21202

  (410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Steve Jones]

if there is a mechanism to sign up manually, it might be best to share in
the event it doesnt migrate well so the info is already out there

out of curiousity, is the new list going to be publicly searchable like the
aws list?



On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:10 AM  wrote:

> I should be able to automatically sign everyone up.  I have the list.  I
> believe there is a bulk import.
> It may send you a note asking you to verify.  I would hope it will.
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Friday, June 8, 2018 9:07 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list
>
> So before it dies, is there a process for us to sign up for the new list?
>
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:55 AM,  wrote:
>
>> It is gonna die any day now.  I gave GoDaddy the magic Tucows key to
>> steal it away from them.
>>
>> I have mailman hired to host.
>>
>> I keep checking on the status of the domain transfer and it just says “in
>> process” or something like that.
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[chuck]

I should be able to automatically sign everyone up.  I have the list.  I 
believe there is a bulk import.  
It may send you a note asking you to verify.  I would hope it will.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 9:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this list

So before it dies, is there a process for us to sign up for the new list?  

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:55 AM,  wrote:

  It is gonna die any day now.  I gave GoDaddy the magic Tucows key to steal it 
away from them.

  I have mailman hired to host.  

  I keep checking on the status of the domain transfer and it just says “in 
process” or something like that.  




-- 

Carl Peterson


PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Carl Peterson]

So before it dies, is there a process for us to sign up for the new list?

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:55 AM,  wrote:

> It is gonna die any day now.  I gave GoDaddy the magic Tucows key to steal
> it away from them.
>
> I have mailman hired to host.
>
> I keep checking on the status of the domain transfer and it just says “in
> process” or something like that.
>



-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

[AFMUG] this list

[chuck]

It is gonna die any day now.  I gave GoDaddy the magic Tucows key to steal it 
away from them.

I have mailman hired to host.  

I keep checking on the status of the domain transfer and it just says “in 
process” or something like that.  

Re: [AFMUG] test (list lag time)

[Matt Hoppes]

It is now Sunday the 25th. 

Lag: 5 days. 

> On Mar 25, 2018, at 07:26, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> recieved Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:58 AM MDT :-/
> 
> -sean
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> Posted Saturday March 17 9:21 MDT
> 

[AFMUG] AFMUG Members - list problem

[Paul McCall]

Hello,

I just wanted to touch base with everyone.  As you are probably aware, we have 
had a problem with the AFMUG list being VERY slow, like from may hours to a 
couple days behind on postings to the list.

It is something we have working through and expect a resolution to within 48 
hours.  We apologize for the inconvenience.

Thank you for your patience.

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] test (list lag time)

[Sean Heskett]

recieved Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:58 AM MDT :-/

-sean


On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Posted Saturday March 17 9:21 MDT
>

Re: [AFMUG] test (list lag time)

[Carl Peterson]

16 bytes from 2607:b580:12::6, icmp_seq=0 hlim=64 time=14760 ms


On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Posted Saturday March 17 9:21 MDT
>



-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] test (list lag time)

[Simon Westlake]

I've noticed a big delay lately too.

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/20/2018 11:58:07 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] test (list lag time)


Posted Saturday March 17 9:21 MDT

Re: [AFMUG] test (list lag time)

[Larry Smith]

On Tue March 20 2018 11:58, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Posted Saturday March 17 9:21 MDT

Received Tuesday March 20 at 11:58 CDT
Responded Tuesday March 20 at 12:30 CDT

-- 
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

Re: [AFMUG] test (list lag time)

[Joe Novak]

Ouch I feel like RFC1149 may have been faster..

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Posted Saturday March 17 9:21 MDT
>

Re: [AFMUG] test (list lag time)

[Keefe John]

Just got it now, Tuesday at 12:18 PM CST.

I think your internet tubes are clogged.


On 3/20/2018 11:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Posted Saturday March 17 9:21 MDT

Re: [AFMUG] test (list lag time)

[can...@believewireless.net]

​Are the servers Irish? Maybe they were drinking and now that the hangover
is worn off they have finally
mustered enough strength to send out your message to the list.​

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Posted Saturday March 17 9:21 MDT
>

Re: [AFMUG] test (list lag time)

[Mathew Howard]

Only three days! (posted Monday March 20 12:06 CDT)

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Posted Saturday March 17 9:21 MDT
>

Re: [AFMUG] test (list lag time)

[Dennis Burgess]

Just got it at 11:58 CST.

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] test (list lag time)

Posted Saturday March 17 9:21 MDT

Re: [AFMUG] test (list lag time)

[Jason McKemie]

I'd say that is a pretty hefty lag.

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Posted Saturday March 17 9:21 MDT
>

[AFMUG] test (list lag time)

[Chuck McCown]

Posted Saturday March 17 9:21 MDT

Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

[Dave]

Wut Hold my beer and watch this :)


On 12/09/2017 11:39 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
i'm more interested in the social chat than the "tech" chat, but i do 
use both.

if those 5 people go to another room, i'll follow them LOL

- Original Message -
*From:* Dev <mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Friday, December 8, 2017 3:05 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

Right, that’s why they have high/low volume lists in other
communities, separates out the technical from the noise.

There are lots of places to find noise, and few to find some of
the information on this list.

By volume, the white noise just escalates and begets other
irrelevant noise in some sort of asymptotic trend that doesn’t
seem worth the effort to manage to get to what’s of interest, so
it becomes a chore not to round-file the whole list traffic.

Seems like there’s around 5 people generating the noise source, so
relevant to the total number of list members it’s a very, very
small group generating extra work for the other vast majority of
subscribers. If you got these five people in a room and let them
talk, most everyone else would leave to do productive things.

>>
>

Sure does waste time though.=



--

Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

i'm more interested in the social chat than the "tech" chat, but i do use both.
if those 5 people go to another room, i'll follow them LOL

  - Original Message - 
  From: Dev 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 3:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] alt list?


  Right, that’s why they have high/low volume lists in other communities, 
separates out the technical from the noise. 

  There are lots of places to find noise, and few to find some of the 
information on this list. 

  By volume, the white noise just escalates and begets other irrelevant noise 
in some sort of asymptotic trend that doesn’t seem worth the effort to manage 
to get to what’s of interest, so it becomes a chore not to round-file the whole 
list traffic.

  Seems like there’s around 5 people generating the noise source, so relevant 
to the total number of list members it’s a very, very small group generating 
extra work for the other vast majority of subscribers. If you got these five 
people in a room and let them talk, most everyone else would leave to do 
productive things.

  >>
  >

  Sure does waste time though.=

Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

[Adam Moffett]

If the list went low volume, I'd wonder if it was broken

-- Original Message --
From: "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/8/2017 4:05:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

Right, that’s why they have high/low volume lists in other communities, 
separates out the technical from the noise.


There are lots of places to find noise, and few to find some of the 
information on this list.


By volume, the white noise just escalates and begets other irrelevant 
noise in some sort of asymptotic trend that doesn’t seem worth the 
effort to manage to get to what’s of interest, so it becomes a chore 
not to round-file the whole list traffic.


Seems like there’s around 5 people generating the noise source, so 
relevant to the total number of list members it’s a very, very small 
group generating extra work for the other vast majority of subscribers. 
If you got these five people in a room and let them talk, most everyone 
else would leave to do productive things.








Sure does waste time though.

Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

[Steve Jones]

lulz

On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Dev  wrote:

> Right, that’s why they have high/low volume lists in other communities,
> separates out the technical from the noise.
>
> There are lots of places to find noise, and few to find some of the
> information on this list.
>
> By volume, the white noise just escalates and begets other irrelevant
> noise in some sort of asymptotic trend that doesn’t seem worth the effort
> to manage to get to what’s of interest, so it becomes a chore not to
> round-file the whole list traffic.
>
> Seems like there’s around 5 people generating the noise source, so
> relevant to the total number of list members it’s a very, very small group
> generating extra work for the other vast majority of subscribers. If you
> got these five people in a room and let them talk, most everyone else would
> leave to do productive things.
>
> >>
> >
>
> Sure does waste time though.
>

Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

[Dev]

Right, that’s why they have high/low volume lists in other communities, 
separates out the technical from the noise. 

There are lots of places to find noise, and few to find some of the information 
on this list. 

By volume, the white noise just escalates and begets other irrelevant noise in 
some sort of asymptotic trend that doesn’t seem worth the effort to manage to 
get to what’s of interest, so it becomes a chore not to round-file the whole 
list traffic.

Seems like there’s around 5 people generating the noise source, so relevant to 
the total number of list members it’s a very, very small group generating extra 
work for the other vast majority of subscribers. If you got these five people 
in a room and let them talk, most everyone else would leave to do productive 
things.

>>
>

Sure does waste time though.

Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

[Robert Andrews]

The older we get the more we look forward to "wasting time"

On 12/07/2017 10:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Sure does waste time though.

-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Thursday, December 
7, 2017 11:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

On 12/7/17 10:52, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

There are plenty of other lists, FB lists, WISPA lists, forums

This list can easily be filtered with the OT in the subject line.
That is why the OT is there.  Just hit delete.  Or filter by thread.
Or make a rule to delete automatically all OT stuff.

We do attempt to shy away from politics now-a-days.



Part of the fun of this list is the OT stuff.

Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

[chuck]

Many of us go back to something like 2002.  First it was part-15, then the 
infamous “I QUIT” message, then a short time on a WISPA server until they 
decided they owned the list and the list automagically became totally 
independent.  Like Forrest said, many of us have met in person many times.  
Much of it was at the AnimalFarm show which ran on its own for about 8 years 
and has since joined up with WispAmerica.  

We still have the best of the best when it comes to technical expertise and 
experience.


From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:54 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

We all I think agree we got out of hand around the election and thereafter.
Shouldn't have let it get as out of hand as it did. 

As Chuck mentioned, there are lots of noise-free lists out there.   And only 
this one which is noise-permitted.   I see this list as more of the 'we're all 
friends here' list.   Most of us have been around for a long time, we know each 
other, recognize each other in person, and yes, like to bounce/discuss non-wisp 
things off of each other.

That said, after last year, we all seem to be definitely more mindful of 
letting things get too far out of control on any topic.  Once things seem to 
have run their course usually someone invokes lent, and we move on.   

If you want a list totally devoid of any off-topic discussions, then this may 
not be the list for you.   If instead, you're ok with becoming friends with a 
community of wisps who like sharing ideas and thoughts not only on WISP topics, 
but on a little of everything else, then stick around.

It just occurred to me a good way to describe this list vs the others, 
comparing it to an industry trade show.   Most of the other lists are more like 
the conference/trade show itself.  Lots of dry technical content.   This list 
is more like the informal social gatherings afterward...  lots of WISP related 
topics, but also a lot of discussion about other things which go on.   Like any 
of the social gatherings, sometimes it is denominated by tech talk.  And 
sometimes it's dominated by non-tech talk.   But overall it's an enjoyable time 
for those who enjoy that type of socialization.

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:

  Is it possible to create another list to discuss OT stuff, like afmug-alt or 
some such? It would focus this list and give others a place to vent.





-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

We all I think agree we got out of hand around the election and
thereafter.Shouldn't have let it get as out of hand as it did.

As Chuck mentioned, there are lots of noise-free lists out there.   And
only this one which is noise-permitted.   I see this list as more of the
'we're all friends here' list.   Most of us have been around for a long
time, we know each other, recognize each other in person, and yes, like to
bounce/discuss non-wisp things off of each other.

That said, after last year, we all seem to be definitely more mindful of
letting things get too far out of control on any topic.  Once things seem
to have run their course usually someone invokes lent, and we move on.

If you want a list totally devoid of any off-topic discussions, then this
may not be the list for you.   If instead, you're ok with becoming friends
with a community of wisps who like sharing ideas and thoughts not only on
WISP topics, but on a little of everything else, then stick around.

It just occurred to me a good way to describe this list vs the others,
comparing it to an industry trade show.   Most of the other lists are more
like the conference/trade show itself.  Lots of dry technical content.
 This list is more like the informal social gatherings afterward...  lots
of WISP related topics, but also a lot of discussion about other things
which go on.   Like any of the social gatherings, sometimes it is
denominated by tech talk.  And sometimes it's dominated by non-tech talk.
 But overall it's an enjoyable time for those who enjoy that type of
socialization.

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Dev  wrote:

> Is it possible to create another list to discuss OT stuff, like afmug-alt
> or some such? It would focus this list and give others a place to vent.
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

[chuck]

Sure does waste time though.

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:54 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] alt list? 


On 12/7/17 10:52, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

There are plenty of other lists, FB lists, WISPA lists, forums

This list can easily be filtered with the OT in the subject line.
That is why the OT is there.  Just hit delete.  Or filter by thread.
Or make a rule to delete automatically all OT stuff.

We do attempt to shy away from politics now-a-days.



Part of the fun of this list is the OT stuff.

Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/7/17 10:52, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

There are plenty of other lists, FB lists, WISPA lists, forums

This list can easily be filtered with the OT in the subject line.
That is why the OT is there.  Just hit delete.  Or filter by thread.
Or make a rule to delete automatically all OT stuff.

We do attempt to shy away from politics now-a-days.



Part of the fun of this list is the OT stuff.

Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

[chuck]

There are plenty of other lists, FB lists, WISPA lists, forums

This list can easily be filtered with the OT in the subject line.
That is why the OT is there.  Just hit delete.  Or filter by thread.
Or make a rule to delete automatically all OT stuff.

We do attempt to shy away from politics now-a-days.



-Original Message- 
From: Dev

Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] alt list?

Is it possible to create another list to discuss OT stuff, like afmug-alt or 
some such? It would focus this list and give others a place to vent. 

[AFMUG] alt list?

[Dev]

Is it possible to create another list to discuss OT stuff, like afmug-alt or 
some such? It would focus this list and give others a place to vent.

Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

[Josh Luthman]

Look like John Woodfield is subbed and he's the one that was compromised.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Didn’t notice it.  Folder is empty now but normally any afmug tagged stuff
> that gets there gets looked at.  Seems like 1 or 2 a week end up there.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 7:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked
>
> its in your spam folder
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I never saw any of this so gmail must have tossed it for me.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 23, 2017 11:07 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked
>>
>>
>> From: "af@afmug.com" <john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:06 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

[Chuck McCown]

Didn’t notice it.  Folder is empty now but normally any afmug tagged stuff that 
gets there gets looked at.  Seems like 1 or 2 a week end up there.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 7:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

its in your spam folder

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I never saw any of this so gmail must have tossed it for me.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 11:07 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

From: "af@afmug.com" <john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz>
  On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:06 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

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From: "af@afmug.com" <john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz>
To: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com>, af <af@afmug.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 01:46:00 +
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On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:02 AM, Jason Wilson <ja...@remotelylocated.com> 
wrote:

  Details. 

  On Apr 23, 2017 10:01 PM, "Jason Wilson" <ja...@remotelylocated.com> 
wrote:


On Apr 23, 2017 9:55 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
wrote:

  Screenshot the message?



  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

That last post got flagged as suspicious by my phone. 

Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

[Steve Jones]

its in your spam folder

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I never saw any of this so gmail must have tossed it for me.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 23, 2017 11:07 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked
>
>
> From: "af@afmug.com" <john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:06 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Delivered-To: thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
>> Received: by 10.107.143.151 with SMTP id r145csp1575084iod;
>> Sun, 23 Apr 2017 18:46:11 -0700 (PDT)
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>> Sun, 23 Apr 2017 18:46:11 -0700 (PDT)
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>> Received: from a11-61.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a11-61.smtp-out.amazonses.com. 
>> [54.240.11.61])
>> by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 
>> l186si9797941itd.93.2017.04.23.18.46.00
>> (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128);
>> Sun, 23 Apr 2017 18:46:11 -0700 (PDT)
>> Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of 
>> 0100015b9da30b78-0be4bfb7-0756-4860-905f-650345c1d34d-000...@amazonses.com 
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>> designates 54.240.11.61 as permitted sender) 
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>> From: "af@afmug.com" <john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz>
>> To: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com>, af <af@afmug.com>
>> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 01:46:00 +
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>>
>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:02 AM, Jason Wilson <ja...@remotelylocated.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Details.
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2017 10:01 PM, "Jason Wilson" <ja...@remotelylocated.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 23, 2017 9:55 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Screenshot the message?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That last post got flagged as suspicious by my phone.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

[Chuck McCown]

I never saw any of this so gmail must have tossed it for me.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 11:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

From: "af@afmug.com" <john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz>
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:06 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

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From: "af@afmug.com" <john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz>
To: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com>, af <af@afmug.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 01:46:00 +
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  On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:02 AM, Jason Wilson <ja...@remotelylocated.com> 
wrote:

Details. 

On Apr 23, 2017 10:01 PM, "Jason Wilson" <ja...@remotelylocated.com> wrote:


  On Apr 23, 2017 9:55 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
wrote:

Screenshot the message?



Josh Luthman
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On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Jaime Solorza 
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  That last post got flagged as suspicious by my phone. 

Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

[Chuck McCown]

We are suspicious

From: Jaime Solorza 
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To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

That last post got flagged as suspicious by my phone. 

Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

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>>>
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>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Screenshot the message?
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>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
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>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That last post got flagged as suspicious by my phone.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

[Steve Jones]

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On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:02 AM, Jason Wilson <ja...@remotelylocated.com>
wrote:

> Details.
>
> On Apr 23, 2017 10:01 PM, "Jason Wilson" <ja...@remotelylocated.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2017 9:55 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Screenshot the message?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> That last post got flagged as suspicious by my phone.
>>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

[Josh Luthman]

Screenshot the message?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> That last post got flagged as suspicious by my phone.
>

[AFMUG] Did list get hacked

[Jaime Solorza]

That last post got flagged as suspicious by my phone.

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Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Bill Prince]

But we're all happy with you Steve.   ;-)

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 3/15/2016 7:18 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:


I'm never happy with anybody, but that's not politics

On Mar 15, 2016 9:06 AM, "Glen Waldrop" <gwl...@cngwireless.net 
<mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net>> wrote:


I’ve been avoiding the list for the most part the past few days.

Often I come here to read tech without getting into politics.

There have been a few instances where it has gone too far, though
I think it was pulled back just in time.

Everyone, just take a breath. We’re all on the same side. Those
making broad comments for us (media, elected officials, etc) are
all FULL OF SHIT. They’re making ratings or getting attention.

Aside from a few issues, 90% of us don’t give a crap what each
other does as long as it doesn’t involve us. The other 10% will
never be happy anyway.
*From:* Paul Stewart <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 6:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list

Well said… I love to argue too – meaning all in good fun and often
results in good constructive debate…. ;)

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 14, 2016 2:44 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] this list

One thing I love about this list, is the diversity of opinion and
the ability to discuss religion and politics without any major
flame wars.

We can spar but when it gets too serous we back off for the most
part.  I think most of us respect the beliefs and opinions of
those that differ from us.

I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what I
believe just for the fun of argument.  And many times I argue
tongue in cheek statements.

Always meant to have fun, perhaps inform, never meant to browbeat
or proselytize or insult.  I hope y’all take it like that.
Apologies to those that have make taken me too seriously.  I am
not ashamed of any of my beliefs, but I respect your right to have
yours too.  (even though they are wrong... Winking smile)

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Glen Waldrop]

I think they make a pill for that...

Damitol, I think it’s called...



From: Ty Featherling 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 9:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this list

No that's genetics. 

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 9:18 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

  I'm never happy with anybody, but that's not politics

  On Mar 15, 2016 9:06 AM, "Glen Waldrop" <gwl...@cngwireless.net> wrote:

I’ve been avoiding the list for the most part the past few days.

Often I come here to read tech without getting into politics.

There have been a few instances where it has gone too far, though I think 
it was pulled back just in time.

Everyone, just take a breath. We’re all on the same side. Those making 
broad comments for us (media, elected officials, etc) are all FULL OF SHIT. 
They’re making ratings or getting attention.

Aside from a few issues, 90% of us don’t give a crap what each other does 
as long as it doesn’t involve us. The other 10% will never be happy anyway.



From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 6:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this list

Well said… I love to argue too – meaning all in good fun and often results 
in good constructive debate…. ;)



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 2:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] this list



One thing I love about this list, is the diversity of opinion and the 
ability to discuss religion and politics without any major flame wars.  



We can spar but when it gets too serous we back off for the most part.  I 
think most of us respect the beliefs and opinions of those that differ from us. 
  



I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what I believe 
just for the fun of argument.  And many times I argue tongue in cheek 
statements.



Always meant to have fun, perhaps inform, never meant to browbeat or 
proselytize or insult.  I hope y’all take it like that.  Apologies to those 
that have make taken me too seriously.  I am not ashamed of any of my beliefs, 
but I respect your right to have yours too.  (even though they are wrong... )

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Ty Featherling]

No that's genetics.

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 9:18 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm never happy with anybody, but that's not politics
> On Mar 15, 2016 9:06 AM, "Glen Waldrop" <gwl...@cngwireless.net> wrote:
>
>> I’ve been avoiding the list for the most part the past few days.
>>
>> Often I come here to read tech without getting into politics.
>>
>> There have been a few instances where it has gone too far, though I think
>> it was pulled back just in time.
>>
>> Everyone, just take a breath. We’re all on the same side. Those making
>> broad comments for us (media, elected officials, etc) are all FULL OF SHIT.
>> They’re making ratings or getting attention.
>>
>> Aside from a few issues, 90% of us don’t give a crap what each other does
>> as long as it doesn’t involve us. The other 10% will never be happy anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 6:06 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list
>>
>>
>> Well said… I love to argue too – meaning all in good fun and often
>> results in good constructive debate…. ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 14, 2016 2:44 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] this list
>>
>>
>>
>> One thing I love about this list, is the diversity of opinion and the
>> ability to discuss religion and politics without any major flame wars.
>>
>>
>>
>> We can spar but when it gets too serous we back off for the most part.  I
>> think most of us respect the beliefs and opinions of those that differ from
>> us.
>>
>>
>>
>> I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what I believe
>> just for the fun of argument.  And many times I argue tongue in cheek
>> statements.
>>
>>
>>
>> Always meant to have fun, perhaps inform, never meant to browbeat or
>> proselytize or insult.  I hope y’all take it like that.  Apologies to those
>> that have make taken me too seriously.  I am not ashamed of any of my
>> beliefs, but I respect your right to have yours too.  (even though they are
>> wrong... [image: Winking smile])
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I'm never happy with anybody, but that's not politics
On Mar 15, 2016 9:06 AM, "Glen Waldrop" <gwl...@cngwireless.net> wrote:

> I’ve been avoiding the list for the most part the past few days.
>
> Often I come here to read tech without getting into politics.
>
> There have been a few instances where it has gone too far, though I think
> it was pulled back just in time.
>
> Everyone, just take a breath. We’re all on the same side. Those making
> broad comments for us (media, elected officials, etc) are all FULL OF SHIT.
> They’re making ratings or getting attention.
>
> Aside from a few issues, 90% of us don’t give a crap what each other does
> as long as it doesn’t involve us. The other 10% will never be happy anyway.
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 6:06 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list
>
>
> Well said… I love to argue too – meaning all in good fun and often results
> in good constructive debate…. ;)
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 14, 2016 2:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] this list
>
>
>
> One thing I love about this list, is the diversity of opinion and the
> ability to discuss religion and politics without any major flame wars.
>
>
>
> We can spar but when it gets too serous we back off for the most part.  I
> think most of us respect the beliefs and opinions of those that differ from
> us.
>
>
>
> I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what I believe
> just for the fun of argument.  And many times I argue tongue in cheek
> statements.
>
>
>
> Always meant to have fun, perhaps inform, never meant to browbeat or
> proselytize or insult.  I hope y’all take it like that.  Apologies to those
> that have make taken me too seriously.  I am not ashamed of any of my
> beliefs, but I respect your right to have yours too.  (even though they are
> wrong... [image: Winking smile])
>

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Glen Waldrop]

I’ve been avoiding the list for the most part the past few days.

Often I come here to read tech without getting into politics.

There have been a few instances where it has gone too far, though I think it 
was pulled back just in time.

Everyone, just take a breath. We’re all on the same side. Those making broad 
comments for us (media, elected officials, etc) are all FULL OF SHIT. They’re 
making ratings or getting attention.

Aside from a few issues, 90% of us don’t give a crap what each other does as 
long as it doesn’t involve us. The other 10% will never be happy anyway.



From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 6:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this list

Well said… I love to argue too – meaning all in good fun and often results in 
good constructive debate…. ;)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 2:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] this list

 

One thing I love about this list, is the diversity of opinion and the ability 
to discuss religion and politics without any major flame wars.  

 

We can spar but when it gets too serous we back off for the most part.  I think 
most of us respect the beliefs and opinions of those that differ from us.   

 

I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what I believe just 
for the fun of argument.  And many times I argue tongue in cheek statements.

 

Always meant to have fun, perhaps inform, never meant to browbeat or 
proselytize or insult.  I hope y’all take it like that.  Apologies to those 
that have make taken me too seriously.  I am not ashamed of any of my beliefs, 
but I respect your right to have yours too.  (even though they are wrong... )

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Paul Stewart]

Well said… I love to argue too – meaning all in good fun and often results in 
good constructive debate…. ;)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 2:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] this list

 

One thing I love about this list, is the diversity of opinion and the ability 
to discuss religion and politics without any major flame wars.  

 

We can spar but when it gets too serous we back off for the most part.  I think 
most of us respect the beliefs and opinions of those that differ from us.   

 

I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what I believe just 
for the fun of argument.  And many times I argue tongue in cheek statements.

 

Always meant to have fun, perhaps inform, never meant to browbeat or 
proselytize or insult.  I hope y’all take it like that.  Apologies to those 
that have make taken me too seriously.  I am not ashamed of any of my beliefs, 
but I respect your right to have yours too.  (even though they are wrong... )

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Bruce Robertson]

I knew that... ~blush~

On 03/14/2016 12:53 PM, Chris Wright wrote:


For the sake of argument, it’s “hear hear.”

:]

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

Velociter Wireless

209-838-1221 x115

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Robertson
*Sent:* Monday, March 14, 2016 12:48 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list

Here here!

On 03/14/2016 11:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

One thing I love about this list, is the diversity of opinion and
the ability to discuss religion and politics without any major
flame wars.

We can spar but when it gets too serous we back off for the most
part.  I think most of us respect the beliefs and opinions of
those that differ from us.

I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what I
believe just for the fun of argument.  And many times I argue
tongue in cheek statements.

Always meant to have fun, perhaps inform, never meant to browbeat
or proselytize or insult.  I hope y’all take it like that. 
Apologies to those that have make taken me too seriously.  I am

not ashamed of any of my beliefs, but I respect your right to have
yours too.  (even though they are wrong... Winking smile)

!DSPAM:2,56e716a6273094666317727! 

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Jaime Solorza]

Ha. Good one
On Mar 14, 2016 1:57 PM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

> Oh, now you’re an audiologist ?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright
> *Sent:* Monday, March 14, 2016 3:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list
>
>
>
> For the sake of argument, it’s “hear hear.”
>
>
>
> :]
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Velociter Wireless
>
> 209-838-1221 x115
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Bruce Robertson
> *Sent:* Monday, March 14, 2016 12:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list
>
>
>
> Here here!
>
> On 03/14/2016 11:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> One thing I love about this list, is the diversity of opinion and the
> ability to discuss religion and politics without any major flame wars.
>
>
>
> We can spar but when it gets too serous we back off for the most part.  I
> think most of us respect the beliefs and opinions of those that differ from
> us.
>
>
>
> I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what I believe
> just for the fun of argument.  And many times I argue tongue in cheek
> statements.
>
>
>
> Always meant to have fun, perhaps inform, never meant to browbeat or
> proselytize or insult.  I hope y’all take it like that.  Apologies to those
> that have make taken me too seriously.  I am not ashamed of any of my
> beliefs, but I respect your right to have yours too.  (even though they are
> wrong... [image: Winking smile])
>
> !DSPAM:2,56e7066b250792086514691!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Paul McCall]

Oh, now you’re an audiologist ?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 3:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this list

For the sake of argument, it’s “hear hear.”

:]

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Robertson
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 12:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this list

Here here!
On 03/14/2016 11:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
One thing I love about this list, is the diversity of opinion and the ability 
to discuss religion and politics without any major flame wars.

We can spar but when it gets too serous we back off for the most part.  I think 
most of us respect the beliefs and opinions of those that differ from us.

I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what I believe just 
for the fun of argument.  And many times I argue tongue in cheek statements.

Always meant to have fun, perhaps inform, never meant to browbeat or 
proselytize or insult.  I hope y’all take it like that.  Apologies to those 
that have make taken me too seriously.  I am not ashamed of any of my beliefs, 
but I respect your right to have yours too.  (even though they are wrong... 
[Winking smile] )
!DSPAM:2,56e7066b250792086514691!

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Chris Wright]

For the sake of argument, it’s “hear hear.”

:]

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Robertson
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 12:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this list

Here here!
On 03/14/2016 11:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
One thing I love about this list, is the diversity of opinion and the ability 
to discuss religion and politics without any major flame wars.

We can spar but when it gets too serous we back off for the most part.  I think 
most of us respect the beliefs and opinions of those that differ from us.

I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what I believe just 
for the fun of argument.  And many times I argue tongue in cheek statements.

Always meant to have fun, perhaps inform, never meant to browbeat or 
proselytize or insult.  I hope y’all take it like that.  Apologies to those 
that have make taken me too seriously.  I am not ashamed of any of my beliefs, 
but I respect your right to have yours too.  (even though they are wrong... 
[Winking smile] )
!DSPAM:2,56e7066b250792086514691!

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Bruce Robertson]

Here here!

On 03/14/2016 11:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
One thing I love about this list, is the diversity of opinion and the 
ability to discuss religion and politics without any major flame wars.
We can spar but when it gets too serous we back off for the most 
part.  I think most of us respect the beliefs and opinions of those 
that differ from us.
I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what I 
believe just for the fun of argument.  And many times I argue tongue 
in cheek statements.
Always meant to have fun, perhaps inform, never meant to browbeat or 
proselytize or insult.  I hope y’all take it like that.  Apologies to 
those that have make taken me too seriously.  I am not ashamed of any 
of my beliefs, but I respect your right to have yours too.  (even 
though they are wrong... Winking smile )
!DSPAM:2,56e7066b250792086514691! 

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Paul McCall]

I have to say, I haven’t hit the DELETE key this much and this fast in months ☺

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 2:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] this list

One thing I love about this list, is the diversity of opinion and the ability 
to discuss religion and politics without any major flame wars.

We can spar but when it gets too serous we back off for the most part.  I think 
most of us respect the beliefs and opinions of those that differ from us.

I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what I believe just 
for the fun of argument.  And many times I argue tongue in cheek statements.

Always meant to have fun, perhaps inform, never meant to browbeat or 
proselytize or insult.  I hope y’all take it like that.  Apologies to those 
that have make taken me too seriously.  I am not ashamed of any of my beliefs, 
but I respect your right to have yours too.  (even though they are wrong... 
[Winking smile] )

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Bill Prince]

I thought I was wrong once; but I was mistaken.

bp


On 3/14/2016 11:50 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
It is not that you guys are wrong, I am always right!  or left to 
appease my pal Rory!too easy


yes we are after all sentient beings(do I need to define that to 
Trump crowd? ...) damnit Chuck, please stop me before I get in deeper.


Sorry gents...sleep depravation

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:46 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:


I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what I
believe just for the fun of argument

this

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:43 PM, > wrote:

One thing I love about this list, is the diversity of opinion
and the ability to discuss religion and politics without any
major flame wars.
We can spar but when it gets too serous we back off for the
most part.  I think most of us respect the beliefs and
opinions of those that differ from us.
I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what
I believe just for the fun of argument.  And many times I
argue tongue in cheek statements.
Always meant to have fun, perhaps inform, never meant to
browbeat or proselytize or insult.  I hope y’all take it like
that.  Apologies to those that have make taken me too
seriously.  I am not ashamed of any of my beliefs, but I
respect your right to have yours too. (even though they are
wrong... Winking smile )




-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Jaime Solorza]

It is not that you guys are wrong, I am always right!  or left to appease
my pal Rory!too easy

yes we are after all sentient beings(do I need to define that to Trump
crowd? ...) damnit Chuck, please stop me before I get in deeper.

Sorry gents...sleep depravation

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:46 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what I believe
> just for the fun of argument
>
> this
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:43 PM,  wrote:
>
>> One thing I love about this list, is the diversity of opinion and the
>> ability to discuss religion and politics without any major flame wars.
>>
>> We can spar but when it gets too serous we back off for the most part.  I
>> think most of us respect the beliefs and opinions of those that differ from
>> us.
>>
>> I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what I believe
>> just for the fun of argument.  And many times I argue tongue in cheek
>> statements.
>>
>> Always meant to have fun, perhaps inform, never meant to browbeat or
>> proselytize or insult.  I hope y’all take it like that.  Apologies to those
>> that have make taken me too seriously.  I am not ashamed of any of my
>> beliefs, but I respect your right to have yours too.  (even though they are
>> wrong... [image: Winking smile] )
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what I believe
just for the fun of argument

this

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:43 PM,  wrote:

> One thing I love about this list, is the diversity of opinion and the
> ability to discuss religion and politics without any major flame wars.
>
> We can spar but when it gets too serous we back off for the most part.  I
> think most of us respect the beliefs and opinions of those that differ from
> us.
>
> I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what I believe
> just for the fun of argument.  And many times I argue tongue in cheek
> statements.
>
> Always meant to have fun, perhaps inform, never meant to browbeat or
> proselytize or insult.  I hope y’all take it like that.  Apologies to those
> that have make taken me too seriously.  I am not ashamed of any of my
> beliefs, but I respect your right to have yours too.  (even though they are
> wrong... [image: Winking smile] )
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] this list

[chuck]

One thing I love about this list, is the diversity of opinion and the ability 
to discuss religion and politics without any major flame wars.  

We can spar but when it gets too serous we back off for the most part.  I think 
most of us respect the beliefs and opinions of those that differ from us.   

I love to argue.  I will even argue the opposite point of what I believe just 
for the fun of argument.  And many times I argue tongue in cheek statements.

Always meant to have fun, perhaps inform, never meant to browbeat or 
proselytize or insult.  I hope y’all take it like that.  Apologies to those 
that have make taken me too seriously.  I am not ashamed of any of my beliefs, 
but I respect your right to have yours too.  (even though they are wrong...  )

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing list issue.

[Jaime Solorza]

OK I don't see this.. Must be a ghost
On Nov 17, 2015 9:34 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'll join the club with mailing list issues.
>
> In my case,  I had a dns event which made my domain appear not valid for a
> few hours Tuesday morning.   I resolved that issue,  and mail has been
> flowing since then,  but nothing from the afmug list.
>
> Is there a possibility that amazon saw a bounce and refuses to send to my
> email anymore?
>
> As I'm not getting list emails,  I might not see any replies to this.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing list issue.

[Curtis Brotherton]

Amazon has what they call a “Suppression List”.  If they see x number of 
bounces in a 24hr period, Amazon will put your email address in suppression and 
you will stop receiving emails from the list.  A DNS issue with your domain is 
a common cause of this happening.

I have sent Amazon a request to remove both of your email addresses from the 
Suppression List.  It is usually very quick, so you should get this email.

If anyone else has this issue, just let me know the email address that is 
having the issue, and I can submit a removal request for it.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Curtis Brotherton
PDMNet
(877)736-6381
curt...@pdmnet.net<mailto:curt...@pdmnet.net>
http://store.pdmnet.com




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 8:12 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mailing list issue.


OK I don't see this.. Must be a ghost
On Nov 17, 2015 9:34 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
<li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

I'll join the club with mailing list issues.

In my case,  I had a dns event which made my domain appear not valid for a few 
hours Tuesday morning.   I resolved that issue,  and mail has been flowing 
since then,  but nothing from the afmug list.

Is there a possibility that amazon saw a bounce and refuses to send to my email 
anymore?

As I'm not getting list emails,  I might not see any replies to this.

[AFMUG] Mailing list issue.

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'll join the club with mailing list issues.

In my case,  I had a dns event which made my domain appear not valid for a
few hours Tuesday morning.   I resolved that issue,  and mail has been
flowing since then,  but nothing from the afmug list.

Is there a possibility that amazon saw a bounce and refuses to send to my
email anymore?

As I'm not getting list emails,  I might not see any replies to this.

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

[Paul McCall]

We will turn it on today Jay…. just for you buddy ☺

Seriously, I will send a post to the list this AM announcing the AF2015 list

What night IS the Rodizio planned for BTW?

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup


disappointing that we can't start rodizio discussions on af2015 until FEB 2...

b. lol


- Original Message -
From: Paul McCallmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

+1 LOL

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

Looks like Josh is asking for a wet noodle lashing for not actually reading 
Paul’s email…….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:21 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

OK, please post to the list when/how if you wouldn't mind =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
It will be a manual subscription….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup


Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Guys,

We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.  It 
will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the event. 
  You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from it or our 
API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no good work 
around for that as everything ties through the API to work with Amazon)

So…  You can join but you can never leave, haha!

Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove the 
list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be accessed until 
such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is acceptable)

SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If have any 
immediate questions, please email 
probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.commailto:probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com

Paul ☺

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net



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Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List is NOW LIVE !

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

love you paul :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul McCall 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 7:45 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] AF2015 List is NOW LIVE !


  Guys,

   

  There is a separate list for the AFMUG conference.  It is called AF2015 and 
you can subscribe and being using it now.  If you subscribe to AF2015, do NOT 
unsubscribe from it or our API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as 
well.  (no good work around for that as everything ties through the API to work 
with Amazon).

   

  To subscribe, send an email to (af2015-subscr...@afmug.com ) then they will 
get the Amazon verification email (AGAIN, yeah, I know) AND the AF2015 
verification email.

   

  So.  You can join but you can never leave, haha!

   

  Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just make the 
list inactive, with no need to unsubscribe.  There IS an archive for the AF2015 
group that can be accessed until such time as Chuck says to stop it 
(indefinitely is acceptable).  The archive is being created sometime today.

   

  Paul J

   

  Paul McCall, Pres.

  PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800 office

  772-473-0352 cell

  www.pdmnet.com

  pa...@pdmnet.net

   

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

disappointing that we can't start rodizio discussions on af2015 until FEB 2...

b. lol


  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul McCall 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup


  +1 LOL  

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
  Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 4:32 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

   

  Looks like Josh is asking for a wet noodle lashing for not actually reading 
Paul’s email…….

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:21 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

   

  OK, please post to the list when/how if you wouldn't mind =)




   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

  It will be a manual subscription…. 

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:51 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

   

  Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

  Guys,

   

  We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.  It 
will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the event. 
  You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from it or our 
API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no good work 
around for that as everything ties through the API to work with Amazon)

   

  So…  You can join but you can never leave, haha!

   

  Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove the 
list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be accessed until 
such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is acceptable)

   

  SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If have 
any immediate questions, please email 
probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com

   

  Paul J

   

  Paul McCall, Pres.

  PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800 office

  772-473-0352 cell

  www.pdmnet.com

  pa...@pdmnet.net

   

   


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[AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

[Paul McCall]

Guys,

We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.  It 
will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the event. 
  You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from it or our 
API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no good work 
around for that as everything ties through the API to work with Amazon)

So...  You can join but you can never leave, haha!

Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove the 
list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be accessed until 
such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is acceptable)

SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If have any 
immediate questions, please email 
probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.commailto:probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com

Paul :)

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

[Josh Luthman]

Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

  Guys,



 We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.
 It will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the
 event.   You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from
 it or our API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no
 good work around for that as everything ties through the API to work with
 Amazon)



 So…  You can join but you can never leave, haha!



 Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove
 the list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be
 accessed until such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is
 acceptable)



 SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If
 have any immediate questions, please email
 probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com



 Paul J



 Paul McCall, Pres.

 PDMNet / Florida Broadband

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800 office

 772-473-0352 cell

 www.pdmnet.com

 pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

[Paul McCall]

It will be a manual subscription….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup


Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Guys,

We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.  It 
will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the event. 
  You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from it or our 
API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no good work 
around for that as everything ties through the API to work with Amazon)

So…  You can join but you can never leave, haha!

Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove the 
list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be accessed until 
such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is acceptable)

SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If have any 
immediate questions, please email 
probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.commailto:probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com

Paul ☺

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

[Josh Luthman]

OK, please post to the list when/how if you wouldn't mind =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

  It will be a manual subscription….



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 3:51 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup



 Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

 Guys,



 We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.
 It will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the
 event.   You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from
 it or our API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no
 good work around for that as everything ties through the API to work with
 Amazon)



 So…  You can join but you can never leave, haha!



 Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove
 the list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be
 accessed until such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is
 acceptable)



 SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If
 have any immediate questions, please email
 probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com



 Paul J



 Paul McCall, Pres.

 PDMNet / Florida Broadband

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800 office

 772-473-0352 cell

 www.pdmnet.com

 pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

[James Howard]

Looks like Josh is asking for a wet noodle lashing for not actually reading 
Paul’s email…….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

OK, please post to the list when/how if you wouldn't mind =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
It will be a manual subscription….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup


Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Guys,

We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.  It 
will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the event. 
  You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from it or our 
API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no good work 
around for that as everything ties through the API to work with Amazon)

So…  You can join but you can never leave, haha!

Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove the 
list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be accessed until 
such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is acceptable)

SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If have any 
immediate questions, please email 
probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.commailto:probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com

Paul ☺

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net



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Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

[Paul McCall]

Josh,

Bro… did you actually read the whole first email?   LOL

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 4:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

OK, please post to the list when/how if you wouldn't mind =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
It will be a manual subscription….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup


Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Guys,

We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.  It 
will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the event. 
  You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from it or our 
API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no good work 
around for that as everything ties through the API to work with Amazon)

So…  You can join but you can never leave, haha!

Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove the 
list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be accessed until 
such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is acceptable)

SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If have any 
immediate questions, please email 
probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.commailto:probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com

Paul ☺

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

[Paul McCall]

+1 LOL

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

Looks like Josh is asking for a wet noodle lashing for not actually reading 
Paul’s email…….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:21 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

OK, please post to the list when/how if you wouldn't mind =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
It will be a manual subscription….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup


Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Guys,

We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.  It 
will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the event. 
  You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from it or our 
API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no good work 
around for that as everything ties through the API to work with Amazon)

So…  You can join but you can never leave, haha!

Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove the 
list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be accessed until 
such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is acceptable)

SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If have any 
immediate questions, please email 
probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.commailto:probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com

Paul ☺

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net



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Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

[James Howard]

Depends on how they’re cooked.  They can be really sticky sometimes or hard if 
they’re not cooked enough….  Aside from that, I don’t know what’s wrong with 
noodles.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup


What's wrong with noodles?!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 4:33 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
+1 LOL

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of James Howard
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

Looks like Josh is asking for a wet noodle lashing for not actually reading 
Paul’s email…….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:21 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

OK, please post to the list when/how if you wouldn't mind =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
It will be a manual subscription….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup


Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Guys,

We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.  It 
will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the event. 
  You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from it or our 
API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no good work 
around for that as everything ties through the API to work with Amazon)

So…  You can join but you can never leave, haha!

Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove the 
list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be accessed until 
such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is acceptable)

SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If have any 
immediate questions, please email 
probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.commailto:probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com

Paul ☺

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
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Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

[Josh Luthman]

Usually very tasty!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 4:46 PM, James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote:

 Depends on how they’re cooked.  They can be really sticky sometimes or
 hard if they’re not cooked enough….  Aside from that, I don’t know what’s
 wrong with noodles.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 3:42 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup



 What's wrong with noodles?!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jan 16, 2015 4:33 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

 +1 LOL



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *James Howard
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 4:32 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup



 Looks like Josh is asking for a wet noodle lashing for not actually
 reading Paul’s email…….



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 3:21 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup



 OK, please post to the list when/how if you wouldn't mind =)




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

 It will be a manual subscription….



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 3:51 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup



 Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

 Guys,



 We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.
 It will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the
 event.   You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from
 it or our API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no
 good work around for that as everything ties through the API to work with
 Amazon)



 So…  You can join but you can never leave, haha!



 Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove
 the list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be
 accessed until such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is
 acceptable)



 SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If
 have any immediate questions, please email
 probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com



 Paul J



 Paul McCall, Pres.

 PDMNet / Florida Broadband

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800 office

 772-473-0352 cell

 www.pdmnet.com

 pa...@pdmnet.net




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[AFMUG] Building List

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Any idea of how to generate a On-net/Line of Site building lists? I can 
filter a list of addresses by what's in my coverage, but getting a list of 
business addresses isn't like to be cheap. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing list is messed up

[Gabriel Pike via Af]

Nothing in spam folders. I can see my posts in the archives on the webpage but 
I am not getting anything delivered to my email address.

 

Gabriel Pike

 

From: Mike Hammett [mailto:af...@ics-il.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 5:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com; gabriel.wi...@dmcibb.net
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mailing list is messed up

 

I was able to pull your e-mail address from the archives on the web site. It 
wasn't in the headers anywhere.

The list has been just as chatty as usual. Check SPAM folder, mail server 
rejects, etc.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL  
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb  
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions  
https://twitter.com/ICSIL 



  _  

From: Gabriel Pike via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 12:29:53 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Mailing list is messed up

Hi,

 

I am not sure what is going on but I have not received any email from this list 
in over a month. The last message I received was on 9/20. Does anyone have an 
idea of what is going on or when/ if it will be fixed? 

 

Thanks,

Gabriel Pike

 

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing list is messed up

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Try to remove yourself from, then re-add yourself to the mailing list. 

List-Id: Animal Farm af.afmug.com 
List-Unsubscribe: http://afmug.com/mailman/options/af, 
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- Original Message -

From: Gabriel Pike gabriel.wi...@dmcibb.net 
To: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net, af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 7:36:10 AM 
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Mailing list is messed up 



Nothing in spam folders. I can see my posts in the archives on the webpage but 
I am not getting anything delivered to my email address. 

Gabriel Pike 



From: Mike Hammett [mailto:af...@ics-il.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 5:33 PM 
To: af@afmug.com; gabriel.wi...@dmcibb.net 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mailing list is messed up 


I was able to pull your e-mail address from the archives on the web site. It 
wasn't in the headers anywhere. 

The list has been just as chatty as usual. Check SPAM folder, mail server 
rejects, etc. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 




- Original Message -


From: Gabriel Pike via Af  af@afmug.com  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 12:29:53 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mailing list is messed up 
Hi, 

I am not sure what is going on but I have not received any email from this list 
in over a month. The last message I received was on 9/20. Does anyone have an 
idea of what is going on or when/ if it will be fixed? 

Thanks, 
Gabriel Pike 

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior

[Rory McCann via Af]

Threading was completely borked for me with Thunderbird. I made a couple 
of changes in the config and that helped. The new list definitely 
doesn't use the threading behavior Thunderbird expects/wants.


Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net

On 11/2/2014 2:25 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote:

Mail list gripe..
 The other thing I dont like is the threading of the subject lines. 
Seems a thread is started but when replies come in they are
placed on a separate thread and sometimes forked. Very messy and some 
mails lost in translation.

my 2cents

On 10/31/2014 10:15 AM, tcidan via Af wrote:
Since the change to the new mailing list host, the From: header on 
messages shows af@afmug.com rather than the actual sender.


I find this change to not be beneficial.

--danp


--

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior

[tcidan via Af]

I find threading breaks most often with Outlook users due to MS not 
using In-Reply-To: or References: headers. That's been going on for years.


However, I am also seeing broken threading on this list even when those 
headers do exist and now I've gotten sufficiently bored of it to stop 
worrying.


--danp



On 11/03/2014 08:51 AM, Rory McCann via Af wrote:
Threading was completely borked for me with Thunderbird. I made a 
couple of changes in the config and that helped. The new list 
definitely doesn't use the threading behavior Thunderbird expects/wants.

Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web:www.mkap.net
On 11/2/2014 2:25 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote:

Mail list gripe..
 The other thing I dont like is the threading of the subject lines. 
Seems a thread is started but when replies come in they are
placed on a separate thread and sometimes forked. Very messy and some 
mails lost in translation.

my 2cents

On 10/31/2014 10:15 AM, tcidan via Af wrote:
Since the change to the new mailing list host, the From: header on 
messages shows af@afmug.com rather than the actual sender.


I find this change to not be beneficial.

--danp


--

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior

[David Milholen via Af]

Mail list gripe..
 The other thing I dont like is the threading of the subject lines. 
Seems a thread is started but when replies come in they are
placed on a separate thread and sometimes forked. Very messy and some 
mails lost in translation.

my 2cents

On 10/31/2014 10:15 AM, tcidan via Af wrote:
Since the change to the new mailing list host, the From: header on 
messages shows af@afmug.com rather than the actual sender.


I find this change to not be beneficial.

--danp


--

[AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior

[tcidan via Af]

Since the change to the new mailing list host, the From: header on 
messages shows af@afmug.com rather than the actual sender.


I find this change to not be beneficial.

--danp

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior

[Darin Steffl via Af]

I agree and was waiting to see if someone else would bring it up. It only
shows the name so I have no way of seeing the actual sender email address
to bring something off-list.

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:15 AM, tcidan via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Since the change to the new mailing list host, the From: header on
 messages shows af@afmug.com rather than the actual sender.

 I find this change to not be beneficial.

 --danp




-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior

[Seth Mattinen via Af]

On 10/31/14, 8:19 AM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote:

I agree and was waiting to see if someone else would bring it up. It
only shows the name so I have no way of seeing the actual sender email
address to bring something off-list.




I agree it's crap, but I gave up hope. I've been told Amazon is the best.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior

[That One Guy via Af]

I read the title of this and thought I was going to get in trouble

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 On 10/31/14, 8:19 AM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote:

 I agree and was waiting to see if someone else would bring it up. It
 only shows the name so I have no way of seeing the actual sender email
 address to bring something off-list.



 I agree it's crap, but I gave up hope. I've been told Amazon is the best.

 ~Seth




-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior

[Adam Moffett via Af]

exactly
I agree and was waiting to see if someone else would bring it up. It 
only shows the name so I have no way of seeing the actual sender email 
address to bring something off-list.


On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:15 AM, tcidan via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


Since the change to the new mailing list host, the From: header on
messages shows af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com rather than
the actual sender.

I find this change to not be beneficial.

--danp




--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/
507-634-WiFi
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook 
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior

[Darin Steffl via Af]

I see names fine but not email addresses.

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af 
af@afmug.com wrote:

 I see the names when I look in Outlook, but not on my IPhone.

 Jeff Broadwick
 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
 312-205-2519 Office
 574-220-7826 Cell
 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

 On Oct 31, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:


 exactly

 I agree and was waiting to see if someone else would bring it up. It only
 shows the name so I have no way of seeing the actual sender email address
 to bring something off-list.

 On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:15 AM, tcidan via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Since the change to the new mailing list host, the From: header on
 messages shows af@afmug.com rather than the actual sender.

 I find this change to not be beneficial.

 --danp




  --
 Darin Steffl
 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
  http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook
 http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi





-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior

[Seth Mattinen via Af]

On 10/31/14, 8:33, Robbie Wright via Af wrote:

I wasn't involved in the move of the mailing list at all, but this was a
needed thing. Since all of you should have SPF records on your domain,
when the mailing list program attempted to send mail with your from
address, it should have been picked up by spam filters because it was
coming from the AMFUG server which most likely wasn't authorized in your
SPF record. With the combination of SPF, DKIM, and now DMARC, mailing
lists cannot (and shouldn't) fake people's from email address. How the
team that did the move completed this is technically correct. The
sender's name is great but you have to use the right domain.



No, just no. Know the difference between the sender and the envelope sender.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior

[Robbie Wright via Af]

You're correct Seth, there is a difference between the envelope sender and
the mail from address.In the case of DMARC, it requires that the envelope
sender domain match that of the dkim domain and that of the mail from
domain to achieve what they call alignment.

I can't recall who did the move, but they chose option number 3a here:
http://www.dmarc.org/faq.html#s_3

I agree, not seeing the original sender's email addy isn't ideal. From a
mail sending stand point, the list is doing it correct (in my opinion) but
it does make it a little less usable.

And on a side note, next time I'm in Tahoe, I'd love to buy you a beer and
talk about TahoeIX. I love the idea of smaller IX's like that and would
love to see/hear what you guys are doing.


Robbie Wright
Siuslaw Broadband http://siuslawbroadband.com
541-902-5101

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 On 10/31/14, 8:33, Robbie Wright via Af wrote:

 I wasn't involved in the move of the mailing list at all, but this was a
 needed thing. Since all of you should have SPF records on your domain,
 when the mailing list program attempted to send mail with your from
 address, it should have been picked up by spam filters because it was
 coming from the AMFUG server which most likely wasn't authorized in your
 SPF record. With the combination of SPF, DKIM, and now DMARC, mailing
 lists cannot (and shouldn't) fake people's from email address. How the
 team that did the move completed this is technically correct. The
 sender's name is great but you have to use the right domain.



 No, just no. Know the difference between the sender and the envelope
 sender.

 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior

[Adam Moffett via Af]

Right, the envelope sender (as in SMTP MAIL FROM: command) needs to be 
af@afmug.com to avoid trouble.  The From: header could be you, me, or 
your cousin's sister's brother without hurting anything.  The From: 
header is part of the message content.  The envelope sender is part of 
the SMTP transaction.


On our own mail server (where we don't run a mailing list) we do require 
the envelope sender to be a real account on our system because it makes 
it easier to track down spambot malware BS, which would otherwise use 
that capability to make the source less obvious.  I assume Amazon has a 
similar requirement.




No, just no. Know the difference between the sender and the envelope 
sender.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior

[Tyler Treat via Af]

I see them on my phone, but not OWA.  Odd.

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


On Oct 31, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

I see the names when I look in Outlook, but not on my IPhone.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.commailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Oct 31, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Adam Moffett via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


exactly
I agree and was waiting to see if someone else would bring it up. It only shows 
the name so I have no way of seeing the actual sender email address to bring 
something off-list.

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:15 AM, tcidan via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
Since the change to the new mailing list host, the From: header on messages 
shows af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com rather than the actual sender.

I find this change to not be beneficial.

--danp



--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.comhttp://www.mnwifi.com/
507-634-WiFi
[http://www.snoitulosten.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/facebook-small.jpg]http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
 Like us on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior

[That One Guy via Af]

I want a refund

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  It's a side effect of going through Amazon for the mail list.  You can
 get part of the from (the part after the @) from the header, but that's
 about it (for now).

 bp

 On 10/31/2014 8:56 AM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote:

 I see names fine but not email addresses.

 On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af 
 af@afmug.com wrote:

  I see the names when I look in Outlook, but not on my IPhone.

 Jeff Broadwick
 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
 312-205-2519 Office
 574-220-7826 Cell
 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

 On Oct 31, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:


 exactly

 I agree and was waiting to see if someone else would bring it up. It only
 shows the name so I have no way of seeing the actual sender email address
 to bring something off-list.

 On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:15 AM, tcidan via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Since the change to the new mailing list host, the From: header on
 messages shows af@afmug.com rather than the actual sender.

 I find this change to not be beneficial.

 --danp




  --
 Darin Steffl
 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
  http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook
 http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi





  --
 Darin Steffl
 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
  http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook
 http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi





-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior

[Seth Mattinen via Af]

On 10/31/14, 9:38, Robbie Wright via Af wrote:

You're correct Seth, there is a difference between the envelope sender
and the mail from address.In the case of DMARC, it requires that the
envelope sender domain match that of the dkim domain and that of the
mail from domain to achieve what they call alignment.

I can't recall who did the move, but they chose option number 3a here:
http://www.dmarc.org/faq.html#s_3

I agree, not seeing the original sender's email addy isn't ideal. From a
mail sending stand point, the list is doing it correct (in my opinion)
but it does make it a little less usable.



I can't really agree anything right is happening. Most glaringly, 
threading has been fubar'd to all hell and my AFMUG folder now looks 
like a post-apocalyptic wasteland of disarray. Maybe most aren't used to 
clients that do real threading or have separate Reply and Reply List 
functions, but I can't stand how this list now operates.


The thing is that what it says about DMARC isn't happening here:

DMARC introduces the concept of aligned identifiers. Briefly, it means 
the domain in the RFC5322.From header must match the domain in the d= 
tag in the DKIM signature for DKIM alignment, and/or match the domain in 
the RFC5321.MailFrom field for SPF alignment.


Take ownership of the email message by changing the RFC5322.From 
address to one in the mailing list's domain, and adding a DKIM signature 
for that domain. Several variations are covered below.


In the headers the DKIM signature has d=amazonses.com where From is 
afmug.com. That doesn't look like what DMARC calls alignment to me. 
Since SPF historically operates on the envelope sender, not the from 
header, that's always worked before DMARC. However, tweaking an SPF 
implementation to start checking the From header would reject lots of 
things with an -all policy.




And on a side note, next time I'm in Tahoe, I'd love to buy you a beer
and talk about TahoeIX. I love the idea of smaller IX's like that and
would love to see/hear what you guys are doing.




Sure, I'd happy to give a tour of what's set up for the IX and go into 
the details. It's still quite small due to just being started in 
September, but it's pretty exciting.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior

[Bill Prince via Af]

We'll give you double your money back.

bp

On 10/31/2014 10:35 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

I want a refund

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


It's a side effect of going through Amazon for the mail list.  You
can get part of the from (the part after the @) from the header,
but that's about it (for now).

bp

On 10/31/2014 8:56 AM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote:

I see names fine but not email addresses.

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af
af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

I see the names when I look in Outlook, but not on my IPhone.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 tel:312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 tel:574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Oct 31, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Adam Moffett via Af
af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:



exactly

I agree and was waiting to see if someone else would bring
it up. It only shows the name so I have no way of seeing
the actual sender email address to bring something off-list.

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:15 AM, tcidan via Af
af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

Since the change to the new mailing list host, the
From: header on messages shows af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com rather than the actual sender.

I find this change to not be beneficial.

--danp




-- 
Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/
507-634-WiFi
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi






-- 
Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/
507-634-WiFi
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi





--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that 
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if 
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all 
means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior

[Robbie Wright via Af]

Seth, you are correct, these message are not in dmarc alignment. And you
are also correct, SPF operates on the envelope sender and then dmarc
compares the envelope sender, the from addy in the header, and the dkim to
ensure all are in alignment. These messages are being sent from the
amazonses.com domain, hence why dkim passes as does spf beacuse Amazon has
all of those setup correctly. Amazon actually has some useful articles
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/ses/latest/DeveloperGuide/spf.html. One, if
you are not authenticating any of your mail, like amfug, don't do anything
and Amazon will take care of it for you. They sign dkim for their own
domain and have an spf record. Google (and other mail servers and clients)
use dkim to figure out who is sending the mail, hence why Gmail delivers
the mail like this:


​
Gmail sees that it wants to come from the amfug.com domain but it is
actually coming from a different domain. To truly make the mail come from
amfug.com, they need to:

1.) Get an spf record that covers ses (there is currently no spf record on
amfug.com)
2.) Use manual dkim for ses
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/ses/latest/DeveloperGuide/manual-dkim.html
through Amazon's api (which I believe is already being used for this list).
Right now Amazon's easy dkim is using their own domain and record. You
can have your own dkim key and use it for your own domain with ses. This
gets rid of the Gmail issue above, how Outlook displays On behalf of,
etc. Unfortunately, each mail client handles the display of these
differently.
3.) Setup a dmarc record with no action (no quarantine or reject). This
will start logging all of the mail delivery from some of the larger
providers and demonstrate where all of the mail is coming from. Once
confident all of the sending servers have been captured by at least SPF and
preferably dkim, they can turn on quarantine and then reject later on down
the line. dmarcian.com, dmarcanalyzer.com or return path all have online
tools to receive dmarc reports to and is a million times better than manage
the xml on your own.

All that said, opinions are like a-holes, everyone has them and they all
stink. Paul  co, thank you for taking this on and dealing with all the
heat for doing it. Change is never easy.



Robbie Wright
Siuslaw Broadband http://siuslawbroadband.com
541-902-5101

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 On 10/31/14, 9:38, Robbie Wright via Af wrote:

 You're correct Seth, there is a difference between the envelope sender
 and the mail from address.In the case of DMARC, it requires that the
 envelope sender domain match that of the dkim domain and that of the
 mail from domain to achieve what they call alignment.

 I can't recall who did the move, but they chose option number 3a here:
 http://www.dmarc.org/faq.html#s_3

 I agree, not seeing the original sender's email addy isn't ideal. From a
 mail sending stand point, the list is doing it correct (in my opinion)
 but it does make it a little less usable.


 I can't really agree anything right is happening. Most glaringly,
 threading has been fubar'd to all hell and my AFMUG folder now looks like a
 post-apocalyptic wasteland of disarray. Maybe most aren't used to clients
 that do real threading or have separate Reply and Reply List functions,
 but I can't stand how this list now operates.

 The thing is that what it says about DMARC isn't happening here:

 DMARC introduces the concept of aligned identifiers. Briefly, it means
 the domain in the RFC5322.From header must match the domain in the d= tag
 in the DKIM signature for DKIM alignment, and/or match the domain in the
 RFC5321.MailFrom field for SPF alignment.

 Take ownership of the email message by changing the RFC5322.From address
 to one in the mailing list's domain, and adding a DKIM signature for that
 domain. Several variations are covered below.

 In the headers the DKIM signature has d=amazonses.com where From is 
 afmug.com. That doesn't look like what DMARC calls alignment to me.
 Since SPF historically operates on the envelope sender, not the from
 header, that's always worked before DMARC. However, tweaking an SPF
 implementation to start checking the From header would reject lots of
 things with an -all policy.


  And on a side note, next time I'm in Tahoe, I'd love to buy you a beer
 and talk about TahoeIX. I love the idea of smaller IX's like that and
 would love to see/hear what you guys are doing.



 Sure, I'd happy to give a tour of what's set up for the IX and go into the
 details. It's still quite small due to just being started in September, but
 it's pretty exciting.

 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing list is messed up

[Mike Hammett via Af]

I was able to pull your e-mail address from the archives on the web site. It 
wasn't in the headers anywhere. 

The list has been just as chatty as usual. Check SPAM folder, mail server 
rejects, etc. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Gabriel Pike via Af af@afmug.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 12:29:53 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mailing list is messed up 



Hi, 

I am not sure what is going on but I have not received any email from this list 
in over a month. The last message I received was on 9/20. Does anyone have an 
idea of what is going on or when/ if it will be fixed? 

Thanks, 
Gabriel Pike 

Re: [AFMUG] Mailing list is messed up

[TJ Trout via Af]

I'm having the same problem try resubscribing that fixed it for me
On Oct 31, 2014 2:33 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I was able to pull your e-mail address from the archives on the web site.
 It wasn't in the headers anywhere.

 The list has been just as chatty as usual. Check SPAM folder, mail server
 rejects, etc.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Gabriel Pike via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, October 31, 2014 12:29:53 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Mailing list is messed up

 Hi,



 I am not sure what is going on but I have not received any email from this
 list in over a month. The last message I received was on 9/20. Does anyone
 have an idea of what is going on or when/ if it will be fixed?



 Thanks,

 Gabriel Pike

Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

[Paul McCall via Af]

In the header, yes, it will show the actual sender for the From line

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 10:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

Sounds good, will this show the sender of each email in the from line, or is 
that a separate matter entirely?

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
Guys,

As some of you are aware, PDMNet’s behind the scenes management of the AFMUG 
list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an 
Amazon server.  Some very good things have come from that decision so far… no 
mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues 
etc. to our knowledge).  The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly 
complex at first blush.  A lot more time went to getting this setup that we 
anticipated, but that’s life.   It costs a little more to use this platform, (I 
know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it.

One of the differences is the way the headers are handled.  Out of the box, 
Amazon required us to “munge” the headers in such a way that we could customize 
them to meet Amazon’s strict mass-emailing rules.  This causes some differences 
in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type 
of threading than most of us, some grief.  We are way PAST the discussion about 
what is “right” etc.  Respectfully, lets move on from that “debate”.

The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email 
header fashion is to use their API.  We knew this was an option when we brought 
the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve.  And, indeed it 
was!

We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test 
Mailman list internally.  Basically the API allows us / requires us to process 
each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address.  S…. 
In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the 
list.   We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email 
to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up.  NEW 
subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will 
then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter.  Unsubscribing will 
also remove you from an authenticated user for the list.

Assuming that we haven’t overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let 
me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the 
change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window.

All in favor ?   All opposed?

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

[James Howard via Af]

Is the poll closed  yet?  If not, I'd like to vote Yay also which would seem 
to put the count at 2-0 in favor!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 8:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered


Yay

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- Reply message -
From: Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
Date: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 8:20 PM

Guys,

As some of you are aware, PDMNet's behind the scenes management of the AFMUG 
list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an 
Amazon server.  Some very good things have come from that decision so far... no 
mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues 
etc. to our knowledge).  The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly 
complex at first blush.  A lot more time went to getting this setup that we 
anticipated, but that's life.   It costs a little more to use this platform, (I 
know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it.

One of the differences is the way the headers are handled.  Out of the box, 
Amazon required us to munge the headers in such a way that we could customize 
them to meet Amazon's strict mass-emailing rules.  This causes some differences 
in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type 
of threading than most of us, some grief.  We are way PAST the discussion about 
what is right etc.  Respectfully, lets move on from that debate.

The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email 
header fashion is to use their API.  We knew this was an option when we brought 
the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve.  And, indeed it 
was!

We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test 
Mailman list internally.  Basically the API allows us / requires us to process 
each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address.  S 
In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the 
list.   We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email 
to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up.  NEW 
subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will 
then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter.  Unsubscribing will 
also remove you from an authenticated user for the list.

Assuming that we haven't overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let 
me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the 
change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window.

All in favor ?   All opposed?

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net


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Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

[Adam Moffett via Af]

I hope you'll tell the list when the messages get sent so I can look for it.


Git r done.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:48 AM, James Howard via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


Is the poll closed  yet?  If not, I’d like to vote “Yay” also
which would seem to put the count at 2-0 in favor!

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
*Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 8:24 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered


Yay

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- Reply message -
From: Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
Date: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 8:20 PM

Guys,

As some of you are aware, PDMNet’s behind the scenes management of
the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies,
involves hosting on an Amazon server.  Some very good things have
come from that decision so far… no mail delivery issues (no server
issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our
knowledge).  The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly
complex at first blush.  A lot more time went to getting this
setup that we anticipated, but that’s life.   It costs a little
more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I
think we will be happy with it.

One of the differences is the way the headers are handled.  Out of
the box, Amazon required us to “munge” the headers in such a way
that we could customize them to meet Amazon’s strict mass-emailing
rules.  This causes some differences in the way the mail is
delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of
threading than most of us, some grief.  We are way PAST the
discussion about what is “right” etc.  Respectfully, lets move on
from that “debate”.

The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more
conventional email header fashion is to use their API.  We knew
this was an option when we brought the list live, but also
anticipated a bit of a learning curve.  And, indeed it was!

We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it
on our test Mailman list internally.  Basically the API allows us
/ requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated
/ confirmed email address.  S…. In order to use the API, we
need to authenticate all the current users of the list.   We can
send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to
everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. 
NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once

confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately
thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an
authenticated user for the list.

Assuming that we haven’t overlooked something (and, I am sure you
guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour
notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon
email after that window.

All in favor ?   All opposed?

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 tel:772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 tel:772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/

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Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

[Bill Prince via Af]

I say Booya!

bp


On 9/29/2014 6:35 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:


Just reply to the authentication request...   that's all

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af
*Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the 
authentication(s)?



bp

On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:

Guys,

As some of you are aware, PDMNet's behind the scenes management of
the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies,
involves hosting on an Amazon server.  Some very good things have
come from that decision so far... no mail delivery issues (no
server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our
knowledge).  The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly
complex at first blush.  A lot more time went to getting this
setup that we anticipated, but that's life.  It costs a little
more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I
think we will be happy with it.

One of the differences is the way the headers are handled.  Out of
the box, Amazon required us to munge the headers in such a way
that we could customize them to meet Amazon's strict mass-emailing
rules.  This causes some differences in the way the mail is
delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of
threading than most of us, some grief.  We are way PAST the
discussion about what is right etc.  Respectfully, lets move on
from that debate.

The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more
conventional email header fashion is to use their API.  We knew
this was an option when we brought the list live, but also
anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was!

We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it
on our test Mailman list internally.  Basically the API allows us
/ requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated
/ confirmed email address.  S In order to use the API, we
need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can
send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to
everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. 
NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once

confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately
thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an
authenticated user for the list.

Assuming that we haven't overlooked something (and, I am sure you
guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour
notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon
email after that window.

All in favor ?   All opposed?

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/

pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net