Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Harold Bledsoe]

LOL!

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 7:04 PM Chris Wright  wrote:

> Depends on how well that 10GB PMP performs. ;)
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Friday, October 20, 2017 1:52 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> /hal wonders if this is good PR for IgniteNet...  :-D
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:49 PM  wrote:
>
> 'merica! F yeah!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Wright
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:46 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Each side of the aisle has their own crazies;  for every anti-vaxxer
> there's
> a birther.
>
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> That's not left. That is wacko left. There is also wacko right.
>
> You forgot a few things, like gluten mania, chakra, chi, feng shui, and oh
> well. We gotta change the channel...
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/20/2017 11:53 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Not wanting to break lent, but the left is hell bent against science
> > in many areas.
> > GMOs, Vaccines, Beer Yeast, EMI == Cancer etc.
> > The only generalization you can make that will hold is that people
> > generally only support/quote science that backs their own ideas/ideals.
> > Lent is back on.
>
> --

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chuck McCown]

I hear it will support 256 clients too!

From: Chris Wright 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 6:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Depends on how well that 10GB PMP performs. ;)

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

/hal wonders if this is good PR for IgniteNet...  :-D

 

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:49 PM  wrote:

  'merica! F yeah!

  -Original Message-
  From: Chris Wright
  Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:46 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  Each side of the aisle has their own crazies;  for every anti-vaxxer there's
  a birther.

  Chris Wright
  Network Administrator

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:05 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  That's not left. That is wacko left. There is also wacko right.

  You forgot a few things, like gluten mania, chakra, chi, feng shui, and oh
  well. We gotta change the channel...


  bp
  

  On 10/20/2017 11:53 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  > Not wanting to break lent, but the left is hell bent against science
  > in many areas.
  > GMOs, Vaccines, Beer Yeast, EMI == Cancer etc.
  > The only generalization you can make that will hold is that people
  > generally only support/quote science that backs their own ideas/ideals.
  > Lent is back on.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chris Wright]

Depends on how well that 10GB PMP performs. ;)

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

/hal wonders if this is good PR for IgniteNet...  :-D

 

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:49 PM  wrote:

'merica! F yeah!

-Original Message-
From: Chris Wright
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Each side of the aisle has their own crazies;  for every anti-vaxxer there's
a birther.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

That's not left. That is wacko left. There is also wacko right.

You forgot a few things, like gluten mania, chakra, chi, feng shui, and oh
well. We gotta change the channel...


bp


On 10/20/2017 11:53 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Not wanting to break lent, but the left is hell bent against science
> in many areas.
> GMOs, Vaccines, Beer Yeast, EMI == Cancer etc.
> The only generalization you can make that will hold is that people
> generally only support/quote science that backs their own ideas/ideals.
> Lent is back on.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Jaime Solorza]

Chomping on the bits...but once I invoked Lent I have stayed on mark...all
I can say , "My God, it's full of stars!"

On Oct 20, 2017 2:58 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
wrote:

> No the earth is definitely flat if I climb up at Tower I can see you Tower
> 50 miles away. I can also see the horizon, there is no curve.
>
> On Oct 20, 2017, at 16:56,   wrote:
>
> Especially when someone stumbles upon the archive when searching...
>
> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Friday, October 20, 2017 2:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> /hal wonders if this is good PR for IgniteNet...  :-D
>
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:49 PM  wrote:
>
>> 'merica! F yeah!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Chris Wright
>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:46 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>> Each side of the aisle has their own crazies;  for every anti-vaxxer
>> there's
>> a birther.
>>
>> Chris Wright
>> Network Administrator
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:05 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>> That's not left. That is wacko left. There is also wacko right.
>>
>> You forgot a few things, like gluten mania, chakra, chi, feng shui, and oh
>> well. We gotta change the channel...
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 10/20/2017 11:53 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> > Not wanting to break lent, but the left is hell bent against science
>> > in many areas.
>> > GMOs, Vaccines, Beer Yeast, EMI == Cancer etc.
>> > The only generalization you can make that will hold is that people
>> > generally only support/quote science that backs their own ideas/ideals.
>> > Lent is back on.
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Matt Hoppes]

No the earth is definitely flat if I climb up at Tower I can see you Tower 50 
miles away. I can also see the horizon, there is no curve.

> On Oct 20, 2017, at 16:56,   wrote:
> 
> Especially when someone stumbles upon the archive when searching...
>  
> From: Harold Bledsoe
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 2:52 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> /hal wonders if this is good PR for IgniteNet...  :-D
>  
>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:49 PM  wrote:
>> 'merica! F yeah!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Chris Wright
>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:46 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>> 
>> Each side of the aisle has their own crazies;  for every anti-vaxxer there's
>> a birther.
>> 
>> Chris Wright
>> Network Administrator
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:05 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>> 
>> That's not left. That is wacko left. There is also wacko right.
>> 
>> You forgot a few things, like gluten mania, chakra, chi, feng shui, and oh
>> well. We gotta change the channel...
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/20/2017 11:53 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> > Not wanting to break lent, but the left is hell bent against science
>> > in many areas.
>> > GMOs, Vaccines, Beer Yeast, EMI == Cancer etc.
>> > The only generalization you can make that will hold is that people
>> > generally only support/quote science that backs their own ideas/ideals.
>> > Lent is back on.
>> 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[chuck]

Especially when someone stumbles upon the archive when searching...

From: Harold Bledsoe 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 2:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

/hal wonders if this is good PR for IgniteNet...  :-D

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:49 PM  wrote:

  'merica! F yeah!

  -Original Message-
  From: Chris Wright
  Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:46 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  Each side of the aisle has their own crazies;  for every anti-vaxxer there's
  a birther.

  Chris Wright
  Network Administrator

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:05 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  That's not left. That is wacko left. There is also wacko right.

  You forgot a few things, like gluten mania, chakra, chi, feng shui, and oh
  well. We gotta change the channel...


  bp
  

  On 10/20/2017 11:53 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  > Not wanting to break lent, but the left is hell bent against science
  > in many areas.
  > GMOs, Vaccines, Beer Yeast, EMI == Cancer etc.
  > The only generalization you can make that will hold is that people
  > generally only support/quote science that backs their own ideas/ideals.
  > Lent is back on.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Joe Novak]

Don't even get started on the flat earthers

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:49 PM,  wrote:

> 'merica! F yeah!
>
> -Original Message- From: Chris Wright
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:46 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Each side of the aisle has their own crazies;  for every anti-vaxxer
> there's a birther.
>
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> That's not left. That is wacko left. There is also wacko right.
>
> You forgot a few things, like gluten mania, chakra, chi, feng shui, and oh
> well. We gotta change the channel...
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/20/2017 11:53 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> Not wanting to break lent, but the left is hell bent against science
>> in many areas.
>> GMOs, Vaccines, Beer Yeast, EMI == Cancer etc.
>> The only generalization you can make that will hold is that people
>> generally only support/quote science that backs their own ideas/ideals.
>> Lent is back on.
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Harold Bledsoe]

/hal wonders if this is good PR for IgniteNet...  :-D

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:49 PM  wrote:

> 'merica! F yeah!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Wright
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:46 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Each side of the aisle has their own crazies;  for every anti-vaxxer
> there's
> a birther.
>
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> That's not left. That is wacko left. There is also wacko right.
>
> You forgot a few things, like gluten mania, chakra, chi, feng shui, and oh
> well. We gotta change the channel...
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/20/2017 11:53 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Not wanting to break lent, but the left is hell bent against science
> > in many areas.
> > GMOs, Vaccines, Beer Yeast, EMI == Cancer etc.
> > The only generalization you can make that will hold is that people
> > generally only support/quote science that backs their own ideas/ideals.
> > Lent is back on.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Bill Prince]

And sometimes they're the same person. Twofur!


bp


On 10/20/2017 12:46 PM, Chris Wright wrote:

Each side of the aisle has their own crazies;  for every anti-vaxxer there's a 
birther.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

That's not left. That is wacko left. There is also wacko right.

You forgot a few things, like gluten mania, chakra, chi, feng shui, and oh 
well. We gotta change the channel...


bp


On 10/20/2017 11:53 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Not wanting to break lent, but the left is hell bent against science
in many areas.
GMOs, Vaccines, Beer Yeast, EMI == Cancer etc.
The only generalization you can make that will hold is that people
generally only support/quote science that backs their own ideas/ideals.
Lent is back on.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[chuck]

'merica! F yeah!

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Wright

Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Each side of the aisle has their own crazies;  for every anti-vaxxer there's 
a birther.


Chris Wright
Network Administrator

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

That's not left. That is wacko left. There is also wacko right.

You forgot a few things, like gluten mania, chakra, chi, feng shui, and oh 
well. We gotta change the channel...



bp


On 10/20/2017 11:53 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Not wanting to break lent, but the left is hell bent against science
in many areas.
GMOs, Vaccines, Beer Yeast, EMI == Cancer etc.
The only generalization you can make that will hold is that people
generally only support/quote science that backs their own ideas/ideals.
Lent is back on.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chris Wright]

Each side of the aisle has their own crazies;  for every anti-vaxxer there's a 
birther.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

That's not left. That is wacko left. There is also wacko right.

You forgot a few things, like gluten mania, chakra, chi, feng shui, and oh 
well. We gotta change the channel...


bp


On 10/20/2017 11:53 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Not wanting to break lent, but the left is hell bent against science 
> in many areas.
> GMOs, Vaccines, Beer Yeast, EMI == Cancer etc.
> The only generalization you can make that will hold is that people 
> generally only support/quote science that backs their own ideas/ideals.
> Lent is back on.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Jason McKemie]

Ha, good point.

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On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Depends on whether you're talking about facts, alternative facts, or if
> you misunderstood when I was talking about fax.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/20/2017 11:59 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> Facts aren't political.
>
> On Friday, October 20, 2017, Chris Wright  wrote:
>
>> > No I'm not one of those weird liberals.
>>
>>
>>
>> What, like a scientist
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveys_of_scientists%27_views_on_climate_change>
>> ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 20, 2017 10:47 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>>
>>
>> Keep in mind weather is changing. No I'm not one of those weird liberals.
>> But here in Pennsylvania we've noticed a definite difference in the amount
>> and frequency of rain.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 13:42, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> I'd use the NOAA page I linked to in my FB posts shared earlier in this
>> thread.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, October 20, 2017 12:40:17 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>> The google...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 20, 2017 11:35 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>>
>>
>> Where are you looking up your rainfall specs?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, October 20, 2017 12:33:43 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>> I think both Julian Kemp and Daniel White both did rain presentations at
>> AnimalFarm in years past.  Fascinating with the shape and size of the
>> raindrops, and the fact that some places have continual drizzle and some
>> have torrential sky floods but both will show the same amount of rainfall.
>> Certainly not as simple as looking up rainfall specs for a place.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 20, 2017 11:14 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>>
>>
>> SEA is amazingly friendly.  They get rain but not very intense.
>>
>>
>>
>> What makes it particularly challenging is that it is rain specifically
>> across the path of the link.  So a 1km link that follows a typical squall
>> line path will be different than a 1km link that is perpendicular to the
>> typical squall line (partial path with rain vs. full path with rain).  It's
>> cool stuff like this that makes it so much fun!  :-)
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM  wrote:
>>
>> Lesseee  365.25*24*60 = 525960 minutes.
>>
>> .9 uptime = = .1 downtime
>>
>>
>>
>> Move the decimal 5 places = 5.296 minutes per year
>>
>> 25.9 seconds per month.
>>
>>
>>
>> So should drop for a second a day or perhaps for half a minute a month or
>> 7 seconds a week etc etc.
>>
>> Be interesting to see what folks in Seattle actually see.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[chuck]

just the facts ma’am
(just the vacs ma’am, just the vax ma’am)
What was he really saying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOZUyR2rQ68

What he said.

(I actually was quarantined as a kid). 

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Depends on whether you're talking about facts, alternative facts, or if you 
misunderstood when I was talking about fax.


bp


On 10/20/2017 11:59 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

  Facts aren't political.

  On Friday, October 20, 2017, Chris Wright  wrote:

> No I'm not one of those weird liberals.



What, like a scientist?



Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] On 
Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 10:47 AM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



Keep in mind weather is changing. No I'm not one of those weird liberals. 
But here in Pennsylvania we've noticed a definite difference in the amount and 
frequency of rain.


On Oct 20, 2017, at 13:42, Mike Hammett 
 wrote:

  I'd use the NOAA page I linked to in my FB posts shared earlier in this 
thread.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

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  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
  Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:40:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  The google...



  From: Mike Hammett 

  Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:35 AM

  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  Where are you looking up your rainfall specs?



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
  Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:33:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  I think both Julian Kemp and Daniel White both did rain presentations at 
AnimalFarm in years past.  Fascinating with the shape and size of the 
raindrops, and the fact that some places have continual drizzle and some have 
torrential sky floods but both will show the same amount of rainfall.  
Certainly not as simple as looking up rainfall specs for a place.  



  From: Harold Bledsoe 

  Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:14 AM

  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  SEA is amazingly friendly.  They get rain but not very intense. 



  What makes it particularly challenging is that it is rain specifically 
across the path of the link.  So a 1km link that follows a typical squall line 
path will be different than a 1km link that is perpendicular to the typical 
squall line (partial path with rain vs. full path with rain).  It's cool stuff 
like this that makes it so much fun!  :-)

  On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM 
 wrote:

Lesseee  365.25*24*60 = 525960 minutes.

.9 uptime = = .1 downtime



Move the decimal 5 places = 5.296 minutes per year

25.9 seconds per month.  



So should drop for a second a day or perhaps for half a minute a month 
or 7 seconds a week etc etc.  

Be interesting to see what folks in Seattle actually see.  





From: Mike Hammett 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Matt Hoppes]

Scientist can be a liberal or conservative or white or black. I said one of 
those liberals not scientists.

> On Oct 20, 2017, at 14:53,   wrote:
> 
> Not wanting to break lent, but the left is hell bent against science in many 
> areas. 
> GMOs, Vaccines, Beer Yeast, EMI == Cancer etc.
>  
> The only generalization you can make that will hold is that people generally 
> only support/quote science that backs their own ideas/ideals.
>  
> Lent is back on. 
>  
> From: Chris Wright
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:43 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> > No I'm not one of those weird liberals.
>  
> What, like a scientist?
>  
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 10:47 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> Keep in mind weather is changing. No I'm not one of those weird liberals. But 
> here in Pennsylvania we've noticed a definite difference in the amount and 
> frequency of rain.
> 
> On Oct 20, 2017, at 13:42, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> I'd use the NOAA page I linked to in my FB posts shared earlier in this 
> thread.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:40:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> The google...
>  
> From: Mike Hammett
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:35 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> Where are you looking up your rainfall specs?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:33:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> I think both Julian Kemp and Daniel White both did rain presentations at 
> AnimalFarm in years past.  Fascinating with the shape and size of the 
> raindrops, and the fact that some places have continual drizzle and some have 
> torrential sky floods but both will show the same amount of rainfall.  
> Certainly not as simple as looking up rainfall specs for a place. 
>  
> From: Harold Bledsoe
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:14 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> SEA is amazingly friendly.  They get rain but not very intense.
>  
> What makes it particularly challenging is that it is rain specifically across 
> the path of the link.  So a 1km link that follows a typical squall line path 
> will be different than a 1km link that is perpendicular to the typical squall 
> line (partial path with rain vs. full path with rain).  It's cool stuff like 
> this that makes it so much fun!  :-)
> 
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM  wrote:
> Lesseee  365.25*24*60 = 525960 minutes.
> .9 uptime = = .1 downtime
>  
> Move the decimal 5 places = 5.296 minutes per year
> 25.9 seconds per month. 
>  
> So should drop for a second a day or perhaps for half a minute a month or 7 
> seconds a week etc etc.  
> Be interesting to see what folks in Seattle actually see. 
>  
>  
> From: Mike Hammett
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 5:36 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> =
> that is good for five nines reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a 
> Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places that have higher 
> mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take direct 48VDC power, 
> singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management interfaces.
> =
>  
> IgniteNet does all of that too.
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:52:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly 
> USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff... 
>  
> Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, 
> fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability 
> at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in 
> places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that 
> take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections,

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Bill Prince]

Depends on whether you're talking about facts, alternative facts, or if 
you misunderstood when I was talking about fax.


bp


On 10/20/2017 11:59 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Facts aren't political.

On Friday, October 20, 2017, Chris Wright <mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:


> No I'm not one of those weird liberals.

What, like a scientist

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveys_of_scientists%27_views_on_climate_change>?

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf
Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Friday, October 20, 2017 10:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Keep in mind weather is changing. No I'm not one of those weird
liberals. But here in Pennsylvania we've noticed a definite
difference in the amount and frequency of rain.


On Oct 20, 2017, at 13:42, Mike Hammett > wrote:

I'd use the NOAA page I linked to in my FB posts shared
earlier in this thread.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>



*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
    
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Friday, October 20, 2017 12:40:17 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

The google...

        *From:*Mike Hammett

*Sent:*Friday, October 20, 2017 11:35 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Where are you looking up your rainfall specs?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

------------

*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com

*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Friday, October 20, 2017 12:33:43 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I think both Julian Kemp and Daniel White both did rain
presentations at AnimalFarm in years past.  Fascinating with
the shape and size of the raindrops, and the fact that some
places have continual drizzle and some have torrential sky
floods but both will show the same amount of rainfall.
    Certainly not as simple as looking up rainfall specs for a place.

*From:*Harold Bledsoe

*Sent:*Friday, October 20, 2017 11:14 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

SEA is amazingly friendly.  They get rain but not very intense.

What makes it particularly challenging is that it is rain
specifically across the path of the link.  So a 1km link that
follows a typical squall line path will be different than a
1km link that is perpendicular to the typical squall line
(partial path with rain vs. full path with rain).  It's cool
stuff like this that makes it so much fun!  :-)

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM > wrote:

Lesseee 365.25*24*60 = 525960 minutes.

.9 uptime = = .1 downtime

Move the decimal 5 places = 5.296 minutes per year

25.9 seconds per month.

So should drop for a second a day or perhaps for half a
minute a month or 7 seconds a week etc etc.

Be interesting to see what folks in Seattle actually see.

*From:*Mike Hammett

**

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Bill Prince]

That's not left. That is wacko left. There is also wacko right.

You forgot a few things, like gluten mania, chakra, chi, feng shui, and 
oh well. We gotta change the channel...



bp


On 10/20/2017 11:53 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Not wanting to break lent, but the left is hell bent against science 
in many areas.

GMOs, Vaccines, Beer Yeast, EMI == Cancer etc.
The only generalization you can make that will hold is that people 
generally only support/quote science that backs their own ideas/ideals.

Lent is back on.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Jason McKemie]

Facts aren't political.

On Friday, October 20, 2017, Chris Wright  wrote:

> > No I'm not one of those weird liberals.
>
>
>
> What, like a scientist
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveys_of_scientists%27_views_on_climate_change>
> ?
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Matt
> Hoppes
> *Sent:* Friday, October 20, 2017 10:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> Keep in mind weather is changing. No I'm not one of those weird liberals.
> But here in Pennsylvania we've noticed a definite difference in the amount
> and frequency of rain.
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2017, at 13:42, Mike Hammett  > wrote:
>
> I'd use the NOAA page I linked to in my FB posts shared earlier in this
> thread.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com 
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Friday, October 20, 2017 12:40:17 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> The google...
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 20, 2017 11:35 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> Where are you looking up your rainfall specs?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com 
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Friday, October 20, 2017 12:33:43 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> I think both Julian Kemp and Daniel White both did rain presentations at
> AnimalFarm in years past.  Fascinating with the shape and size of the
> raindrops, and the fact that some places have continual drizzle and some
> have torrential sky floods but both will show the same amount of rainfall.
> Certainly not as simple as looking up rainfall specs for a place.
>
>
>
> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 20, 2017 11:14 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> SEA is amazingly friendly.  They get rain but not very intense.
>
>
>
> What makes it particularly challenging is that it is rain specifically
> across the path of the link.  So a 1km link that follows a typical squall
> line path will be different than a 1km link that is perpendicular to the
> typical squall line (partial path with rain vs. full path with rain).  It's
> cool stuff like this that makes it so much fun!  :-)
>
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM  > wrote:
>
> Lesseee  365.25*24*60 = 525960 minutes.
>
> .9 uptime = = .1 downtime
>
>
>
> Move the decimal 5 places = 5.296 minutes per year
>
> 25.9 seconds per month.
>
>
>
> So should drop for a second a day or perhaps for half a minute a month or
> 7 seconds a week etc etc.
>
> Be interesting to see what folks in Seattle actually see.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chris Wright]

> No I'm not one of those weird liberals.

 

What, like a scientist 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveys_of_scientists%27_views_on_climate_change>
 ?

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

Keep in mind weather is changing. No I'm not one of those weird liberals. But 
here in Pennsylvania we've noticed a definite difference in the amount and 
frequency of rain.


On Oct 20, 2017, at 13:42, Mike Hammett  wrote:

I'd use the NOAA page I linked to in my FB posts shared earlier in this thread.



-
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 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
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<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
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 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 





  _____  


From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:40:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

The google...

 

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:35 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

Where are you looking up your rainfall specs?



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
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 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
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 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 





  _  


From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:33:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I think both Julian Kemp and Daniel White both did rain presentations at 
AnimalFarm in years past.  Fascinating with the shape and size of the 
raindrops, and the fact that some places have continual drizzle and some have 
torrential sky floods but both will show the same amount of rainfall.  
Certainly not as simple as looking up rainfall specs for a place.  

 

From: Harold Bledsoe 

Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:14 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

SEA is amazingly friendly.  They get rain but not very intense. 

 

What makes it particularly challenging is that it is rain specifically across 
the path of the link.  So a 1km link that follows a typical squall line path 
will be different than a 1km link that is perpendicular to the typical squall 
line (partial path with rain vs. full path with rain).  It's cool stuff like 
this that makes it so much fun!  :-)

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM  wrote:

Lesseee  365.25*24*60 = 525960 minutes.

.9 uptime = = .1 downtime

 

Move the decimal 5 places = 5.296 minutes per year

25.9 seconds per month.  

 

So should drop for a second a day or perhaps for half a minute a month or 7 
seconds a week etc etc.  

Be interesting to see what folks in Seattle actually see.  

 

 

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 5:36 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

= 

that is good for five nines reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like 
rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain 
rates. These are serious products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode 
fiber connections, and have dedicated management interfaces.

=

 

IgniteNet does all of that too.


-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/chann

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/20/17 10:47, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Keep in mind weather is changing. No I'm not one of those weird 
liberals. But here in Pennsylvania we've noticed a definite difference 
in the amount and frequency of rain.





Ski resorts were open through 4th of July over here. Some of the local 
resorts had enough snow to stay open, but not enough staff to actually 
stay open. Most people that do seasonal work at ski resorts don't plan 
to stay through summer.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[chuck]

The google...

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Where are you looking up your rainfall specs?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:33:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


I think both Julian Kemp and Daniel White both did rain presentations at 
AnimalFarm in years past.  Fascinating with the shape and size of the 
raindrops, and the fact that some places have continual drizzle and some have 
torrential sky floods but both will show the same amount of rainfall.  
Certainly not as simple as looking up rainfall specs for a place.  

From: Harold Bledsoe 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

SEA is amazingly friendly.  They get rain but not very intense. 

What makes it particularly challenging is that it is rain specifically across 
the path of the link.  So a 1km link that follows a typical squall line path 
will be different than a 1km link that is perpendicular to the typical squall 
line (partial path with rain vs. full path with rain).  It's cool stuff like 
this that makes it so much fun!  :-)


On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM  wrote:

  Lesseee  365.25*24*60 = 525960 minutes.
  .9 uptime = = .1 downtime

  Move the decimal 5 places = 5.296 minutes per year
  25.9 seconds per month.  

  So should drop for a second a day or perhaps for half a minute a month or 7 
seconds a week etc etc.  
  Be interesting to see what folks in Seattle actually see.  


  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 5:36 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
  = 
  that is good for five nines reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a 
Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places that have higher 
mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take direct 48VDC power, 
singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management interfaces.
  =


  IgniteNet does all of that too.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP





  From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:52:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


  Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly 
USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...  

  Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, 
fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability at 
500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places 
that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take 
direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management 
interfaces. 

  "serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz 
links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider 
themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter wave 
when it is necessary or justified.

  I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one 
disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to a 
plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.




  On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds 
like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be a 
contender.  
From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
Let me back up. 

We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
torrential down pours. 

Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. 

The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem 
for me is the fail over does not happen properly. 

It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too 
much out of it. 

On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:


  How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes


  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq




  I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does 
not fail over seemleasly at all. 



  There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips. 


  On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:

If a bunch of folks deploy i

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[chuck]

I think both Julian Kemp and Daniel White both did rain presentations at 
AnimalFarm in years past.  Fascinating with the shape and size of the 
raindrops, and the fact that some places have continual drizzle and some have 
torrential sky floods but both will show the same amount of rainfall.  
Certainly not as simple as looking up rainfall specs for a place.  

From: Harold Bledsoe 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

SEA is amazingly friendly.  They get rain but not very intense. 

What makes it particularly challenging is that it is rain specifically across 
the path of the link.  So a 1km link that follows a typical squall line path 
will be different than a 1km link that is perpendicular to the typical squall 
line (partial path with rain vs. full path with rain).  It's cool stuff like 
this that makes it so much fun!  :-)


On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM  wrote:

  Lesseee  365.25*24*60 = 525960 minutes.
  .9 uptime = = .1 downtime

  Move the decimal 5 places = 5.296 minutes per year
  25.9 seconds per month.  

  So should drop for a second a day or perhaps for half a minute a month or 7 
seconds a week etc etc.  
  Be interesting to see what folks in Seattle actually see.  


  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 5:36 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
  = 
  that is good for five nines reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a 
Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places that have higher 
mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take direct 48VDC power, 
singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management interfaces.
  =


  IgniteNet does all of that too.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP





  From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:52:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


  Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly 
USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...  

  Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, 
fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability at 
500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places 
that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take 
direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management 
interfaces. 

  "serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz 
links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider 
themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter wave 
when it is necessary or justified.

  I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one 
disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to a 
plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.




  On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds 
like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be a 
contender.  
From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
Let me back up. 

We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
torrential down pours. 

Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. 

The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem 
for me is the fail over does not happen properly. 

It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too 
much out of it. 

On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:


  How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes


  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq




  I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does 
not fail over seemleasly at all. 



  There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips. 


  On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:

If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be 
complaining.  ;-)



-
Mike Hammett


Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP









From: "Chuck McCown" 


To: af@afmug.com
    Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deploy

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Harold Bledsoe]

SEA is amazingly friendly.  They get rain but not very intense.

What makes it particularly challenging is that it is rain specifically
across the path of the link.  So a 1km link that follows a typical squall
line path will be different than a 1km link that is perpendicular to the
typical squall line (partial path with rain vs. full path with rain).  It's
cool stuff like this that makes it so much fun!  :-)

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM  wrote:

> Lesseee  365.25*24*60 = 525960 minutes.
> .9 uptime = = .1 downtime
>
> Move the decimal 5 places = 5.296 minutes per year
> 25.9 seconds per month.
>
> So should drop for a second a day or perhaps for half a minute a month or
> 7 seconds a week etc etc.
> Be interesting to see what folks in Seattle actually see.
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, October 20, 2017 5:36 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> =
> that is good for five nines reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a
> Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places that have higher
> mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take direct 48VDC
> power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management
> interfaces.
> =
>
> IgniteNet does all of that too.
>
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> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:52:52 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's
> silly USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...
>
> Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier
> grade, fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines
> reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less
> distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious
> products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and
> have dedicated management interfaces.
>
> "serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80
> GHz links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider
> themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter
> wave when it is necessary or justified.
>
> I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of
> one disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot
> glued to a plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.
>> Sounds like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it
>> would be a contender.
>>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
> Let me back up.
>>
>> We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during
>> torrential down pours.
>>
>> Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.
>>
>> The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The
>> problem for me is the fail over does not happen properly.
>>
>> It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect
>> too much out of it.
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>>
>> How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>>
>>
>> I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does
>> not fail over seemleasly at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is packet loss and high pings until 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mike Hammett]

*nods* Which I hope to help address with the calcs I show on the TBW FB. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 10:12:18 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 



My problem with these types of calculations is that my downtime always seems to 
happen all at once. 

On Oct 20, 2017, at 11:01, < ch...@wbmfg.com > < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 







Lesseee 365.25*24*60 = 525960 minutes. 
.9 uptime = = .1 downtime 

Move the decimal 5 places = 5.296 minutes per year 
25.9 seconds per month. 

So should drop for a second a day or perhaps for half a minute a month or 7 
seconds a week etc etc. 
Be interesting to see what folks in Seattle actually see. 



From: Mike Hammett 


Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 5:36 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


= 
that is good for five nines reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like 
rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain 
rates. These are serious products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode 
fiber connections, and have dedicated management interfaces. 
= 


IgniteNet does all of that too. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Kuhnke" < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:52:52 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly 
USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff... 

Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, 
fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability at 
500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places 
that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take 
direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management 
interfaces. 

"serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz 
links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider 
themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter wave 
when it is necessary or justified. 

I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one 
disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to a 
plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary. 






On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Well hell, that is almost TMI. I expected as such from this band. Sounds like 
if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be a 
contender. 




From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 



Let me back up. 

We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
torrential down pours. 

Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. 

The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem for 
me is the fail over does not happen properly. 

It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too much 
out of it. 

On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 






How far is your shot? What channel are you using? 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not fail 
over seemleasly at all. 



There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips. 


On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be complaining. 
;-) 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 



I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it. Then we will have believable data. 






From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 




https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf
 

page 7 vs. page 15 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velocit

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mike Hammett]

Right, then my link does better than 5x9s. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 10:01:16 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 




Lesseee 365.25*24*60 = 525960 minutes. 
.9 uptime = = .1 downtime 

Move the decimal 5 places = 5.296 minutes per year 
25.9 seconds per month. 

So should drop for a second a day or perhaps for half a minute a month or 7 
seconds a week etc etc. 
Be interesting to see what folks in Seattle actually see. 



From: Mike Hammett 


Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 5:36 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


= 
that is good for five nines reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like 
rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain 
rates. These are serious products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode 
fiber connections, and have dedicated management interfaces. 
= 


IgniteNet does all of that too. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Kuhnke"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:52:52 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly 
USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff... 

Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, 
fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability at 
500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places 
that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take 
direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management 
interfaces. 

"serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz 
links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider 
themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter wave 
when it is necessary or justified. 

I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one 
disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to a 
plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary. 






On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Well hell, that is almost TMI. I expected as such from this band. Sounds like 
if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be a 
contender. 




From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 



Let me back up. 

We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
torrential down pours. 

Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. 

The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem for 
me is the fail over does not happen properly. 

It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too much 
out of it. 

On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 






How far is your shot? What channel are you using? 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not fail 
over seemleasly at all. 



There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips. 


On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be complaining. 
;-) 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 



I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it. Then we will have believable data. 






From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 




https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf
 

page 7 vs. page 15 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 
Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 3

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Matt Hoppes]

My problem with these types of calculations is that my downtime always seems to 
happen all at once.

> On Oct 20, 2017, at 11:01,   wrote:
> 
> Lesseee  365.25*24*60 = 525960 minutes.
> .9 uptime = = .1 downtime
>  
> Move the decimal 5 places = 5.296 minutes per year
> 25.9 seconds per month. 
>  
> So should drop for a second a day or perhaps for half a minute a month or 7 
> seconds a week etc etc. 
> Be interesting to see what folks in Seattle actually see. 
>  
>  
> From: Mike Hammett
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 5:36 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> =
> that is good for five nines reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a 
> Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places that have higher 
> mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take direct 48VDC power, 
> singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management interfaces.
> =
> 
> IgniteNet does all of that too.
>  
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:52:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly 
> USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff... 
>  
> Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, 
> fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability 
> at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less  distance in 
> places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that 
> take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have  dedicated 
> management interfaces.
>  
> "serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz 
> links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider 
> themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter 
> wave when it is necessary or justified.
>  
> I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one 
> disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to a 
>  plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds 
>> like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would 
>> be a contender.  
>>  
>> From: Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>  
>> Let me back up.
>>  
>> We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
>> torrential down pours.
>>  
>> Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.
>>  
>> The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem 
>> for me is the fail over does not happen properly.
>>  
>> It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too 
>> much out of it.
>> 
>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>> 
>> How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rory
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not 
>> fail over seemleasly at all.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
>> sometimes flips.
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> 
>> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be 
>> complaining.  ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>> 
>> I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
>> start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> F

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[chuck]

Lesseee  365.25*24*60 = 525960 minutes.
.9 uptime = = .1 downtime

Move the decimal 5 places = 5.296 minutes per year
25.9 seconds per month.  

So should drop for a second a day or perhaps for half a minute a month or 7 
seconds a week etc etc.  
Be interesting to see what folks in Seattle actually see.  


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 5:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

= 
that is good for five nines reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like 
rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain 
rates. These are serious products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode 
fiber connections, and have dedicated management interfaces.
=


IgniteNet does all of that too.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:52:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly 
USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...  

Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, 
fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability at 
500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places 
that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take 
direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management 
interfaces. 

"serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz 
links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider 
themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter wave 
when it is necessary or justified.

I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one 
disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to a 
plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.





On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds 
like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be a 
contender.  

  From: Matt Hoppes 
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  Let me back up. 

  We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
torrential down pours. 

  Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. 

  The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem 
for me is the fail over does not happen properly. 

  It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too 
much out of it. 

  On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:


How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not 
fail over seemleasly at all. 



There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips. 


On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be 
complaining.  ;-)



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff 
and start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.  



  From: Mike Hammett 

  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  
https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf

  page 7 vs. page 15



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Chris Wright" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more 
than water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 
meters you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to 
your client.



  

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Matt Hoppes]

I will give Harold that. At no point have I ever felt like he's tried to hide 
anything from us.

> On Oct 20, 2017, at 09:34, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> They've been very forward with their issues. There really isn't any mystery 
> to it.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Carl Peterson" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 7:16:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> I think they have huge variations in quality.  We have one link that would 
> never work right similar to what Matt describes.  Took almost a year for them 
> to admit it was hardware and then they RMAd it.  No issues with the 
> replacement  Works great.  No issues.  We figured they had the hardware 
> issues fixed and spun the wheel again.  Just like the first one but I don't 
> have the time to deal with it.  Going to stick with Siklu at twice the price 
> for now.  
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> All stable now. What did you have to do to make them stable?  I'm ready to 
>> rip out and never out back in two weeks.
>> 
>> Especially when things got cold. The dongle just locks up on me.
>> 
>> > On Oct 20, 2017, at 02:03, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>> >
>> > We have 3 links in operation. Gen1 and Gen2 HW. All below 500m. All work 
>> > stable now. Quality is MT/UBNT like. You see this with alignment. It just 
>> > is not as precise compared to licensed or af5x. The new mount is better 
>> > but sharp edged. It is great for the price.
>> >
>> > 60Ghz is a great option as it keeps 5GHz free...
>> >
>> >
>> >  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
>> > Von: Rory Conaway 
>> > Datum: 20.10.17 07:02 (GMT+01:00)
>> > An: af@afmug.com
>> > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Carl Peterson
> 
> PORT NETWORKS
> 
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> 
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> 
> (410) 637-3707 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mike Hammett]

They've been very forward with their issues. There really isn't any mystery to 
it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Carl Peterson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 7:16:19 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


I think they have huge variations in quality. We have one link that would never 
work right similar to what Matt describes. Took almost a year for them to admit 
it was hardware and then they RMAd it. No issues with the replacement Works 
great. No issues. We figured they had the hardware issues fixed and spun the 
wheel again. Just like the first one but I don't have the time to deal with it. 
Going to stick with Siklu at twice the price for now. 


On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Matt Hoppes < 
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > wrote: 


All stable now. What did you have to do to make them stable? I'm ready to rip 
out and never out back in two weeks. 

Especially when things got cold. The dongle just locks up on me. 



> On Oct 20, 2017, at 02:03, Stefan Englhardt < s...@genias.net > wrote: 
> 
> We have 3 links in operation. Gen1 and Gen2 HW. All below 500m. All work 
> stable now. Quality is MT/UBNT like. You see this with alignment. It just is 
> not as precise compared to licensed or af5x. The new mount is better but 
> sharp edged. It is great for the price. 
> 
> 60Ghz is a great option as it keeps 5GHz free... 
> 
> 
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht  
> Von: Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > 
> Datum: 20.10.17 07:02 (GMT+01:00) 
> An: af@afmug.com 
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 
> 






-- 



Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 
Baltimore, MD 21202 
(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Harold Bledsoe]

Hi guys,

If you have any issues, contact support and we will fix it.  We did have a
HW issue with the first units shipped and unfortunately it was a LOT of
units.  We have done our best to get those back and new units out but it's
a challenge to get them all globally.

As far as the design goes, we developed a (now) patented way to remove the
waveguide and share the aperture with the 5GHz.  This was a huge cost
savings and is part of our plan to keep driving costs down in mmwave to
reach better and better price points.  If we used Bridgewave's design, it
would never be affordable for PTMP

Thanks,
-Hal

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 7:30 AM Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

> We replaced 2 of the units.
>
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Matt Hoppes 
> Datum: 20.10.17 13:14 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Stefan Englhardt]

We replaced 2 of the units.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Matt Hoppes  
Datum: 20.10.17  13:14  (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Carl Peterson]

I think they have huge variations in quality.  We have one link that would
never work right similar to what Matt describes.  Took almost a year for
them to admit it was hardware and then they RMAd it.  No issues with the
replacement  Works great.  No issues.  We figured they had the hardware
issues fixed and spun the wheel again.  Just like the first one but I don't
have the time to deal with it.  Going to stick with Siklu at twice the
price for now.

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> All stable now. What did you have to do to make them stable?  I'm ready to
> rip out and never out back in two weeks.
>
> Especially when things got cold. The dongle just locks up on me.
>
> > On Oct 20, 2017, at 02:03, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
> >
> > We have 3 links in operation. Gen1 and Gen2 HW. All below 500m. All work
> stable now. Quality is MT/UBNT like. You see this with alignment. It just
> is not as precise compared to licensed or af5x. The new mount is better but
> sharp edged. It is great for the price.
> >
> > 60Ghz is a great option as it keeps 5GHz free...
> >
> >
> >  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> > Von: Rory Conaway 
> > Datum: 20.10.17 07:02 (GMT+01:00)
> > An: af@afmug.com
> > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> >
>



-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mike Hammett]

= 
that is good for five nines reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like 
rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain 
rates. These are serious products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode 
fiber connections, and have dedicated management interfaces. 
= 


IgniteNet does all of that too. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Kuhnke"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:52:52 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly 
USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff... 


Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, 
fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability at 
500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places 
that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take 
direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management 
interfaces. 


"serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz 
links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider 
themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter wave 
when it is necessary or justified. 


I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one 
disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to a 
plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary. 









On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Well hell, that is almost TMI. I expected as such from this band. Sounds like 
if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be a 
contender. 




From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 



Let me back up. 

We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
torrential down pours. 

Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. 

The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem for 
me is the fail over does not happen properly. 

It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too much 
out of it. 

On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 






How far is your shot? What channel are you using? 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not fail 
over seemleasly at all. 



There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips. 


On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be complaining. 
;-) 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 



I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it. Then we will have believable data. 






From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 




https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf
 

page 7 vs. page 15 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 
Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your 
client. 

http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


This link would be just under 300 meters. Will I ever go down for rain? 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM 



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computi

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Matt Hoppes]

All stable now. What did you have to do to make them stable?  I'm ready to rip 
out and never out back in two weeks. 

Especially when things got cold. The dongle just locks up on me. 

> On Oct 20, 2017, at 02:03, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
> 
> We have 3 links in operation. Gen1 and Gen2 HW. All below 500m. All work 
> stable now. Quality is MT/UBNT like. You see this with alignment. It just is 
> not as precise compared to licensed or af5x. The new mount is better but 
> sharp edged. It is great for the price.
> 
> 60Ghz is a great option as it keeps 5GHz free...
> 
> 
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Rory Conaway  
> Datum: 20.10.17 07:02 (GMT+01:00) 
> An: af@afmug.com 
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Stefan Englhardt]

We have 3 links in operation. Gen1 and Gen2 HW. All below 500m. All work stable 
now. Quality is MT/UBNT like. You see this with alignment. It just is not as 
precise compared to licensed or af5x. The new mount is better but sharp edged. 
It is great for the price.
60Ghz is a great option as it keeps 5GHz free...

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Rory Conaway  
Datum: 20.10.17  07:02  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Rory Conaway]

And what channel are you on?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

U.  What?

Our links are aligned. The issue is the failover does not work properly.

On Oct 19, 2017, at 19:39, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I echo what Eric is saying.  Part of the issue is alignment.  No different than 
the AirFibers.  You have to make sure you have as much headroom as possible for 
fade.  Second, is the issue of which channel you select. The highest channel 
has the least amount of rain fade.

Matt, I suspect that if Ubiquiti had a 60Ghz radio out, you wouldn’t even be 
part of this discussion or you would say that rain fade was a feature to 
protect the environment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and highly 
reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but expensive. Somewhat less 
so now that they have more serious 80 GHz competition from SIAE, Siklu and 
others.




On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a good experience.  
So far nothing has changed my mind about that band.  And I am in Utah

From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly 
USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...

Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, 
fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability at 
500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places 
that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take 
direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management 
interfaces.

"serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz 
links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider 
themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter wave 
when it is necessary or justified.

I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one 
disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to a 
plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.





On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds like 
if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be a 
contender.

From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Let me back up.

We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
torrential down pours.

Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.

The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem for 
me is the fail over does not happen properly.

It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too much 
out of it.

On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not fail 
over seemleasly at all.

There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips.

On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be complaining.  
;-)


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP



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To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.  
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Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Robert]

http://accesspoint.hu/files/xinha/radio_full_.png

Is that really it?  Doubt it's hot glue, but still?

On 10/19/17 3:36 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

Good stuff, Rory, good stuff..


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote:


I echo what Eric is saying.  Part of the issue is alignment.  No
different than the AirFibers.  You have to make sure you have as
much headroom as possible for fade.  Second, is the issue of which
channel you select. The highest channel has the least amount of rain
fade.

Matt, I suspect that if Ubiquiti had a 60Ghz radio out, you wouldn’t
even be part of this discussion or you would say that rain fade was
a feature to protect the environment.

__ __

Rory

__ __

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 


*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

__ __

I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and
highly reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but
expensive. Somewhat less so now that they have more serious 80 GHz
competition from SIAE, Siklu and others.

__ __

__ __

__ __

__ __

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a
good experience.  So far nothing has changed my mind about that
band.  And I am in Utah



*From:*Eric Kuhnke 

*Sent:*Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com  

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by
IgniteNet's silly USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap
stuff... 



Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive,
carrier grade, fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good
for five nines reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a
Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places that
have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that
take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have
dedicated management interfaces. 



"serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as
$15,000 80 GHz links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of
whom don't consider themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that
happen to use PTP millimeter wave when it is necessary or
justified.



I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen
photos of one disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad
60 GHz dongle hot glued to a plastic thing in front of a
reflector. Scary.











On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this
band.  Sounds like if they increase the sensitivity of the
switchover mechanism it would be a contender. 



*From:*Matt Hoppes 

*Sent:*Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com  

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



Let me back up. __ __



We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally
holds up during torrential down pours. 



Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. 



The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to
time. The problem for me is the fail over does not happen
properly. 



It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish.
Don't expect too much out of it. 


On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
wrote:

How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?



Rory



*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And
the 5GHz does not fail over seemleasly at all. 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Adam Moffett]

I appreciate all the intel.  Thanks everyone.


-- Original Message --
From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 6:38:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


Let me back up.

We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up 
during torrential down pours.


Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.

The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The 
problem for me is the fail over does not happen properly.


It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect 
too much out of it.


On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:


How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does 
not fail over seemleasly at all.




There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then 
it sometimes flips.



On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:

If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be 
complaining.  ;-)




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To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this 
stuff and start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable 
data.




From: Mike Hammett

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf

page 7 vs. page 15



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From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly 
more than water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to 
fade, but at 300 meters you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden 
himself took offense to your client.




http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif



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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for 
rain?






-- Original Message --

From: "Mike Hammett" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq




Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.



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Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Josh Baird]

Good stuff, Rory, good stuff..


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> I echo what Eric is saying.  Part of the issue is alignment.  No different
> than the AirFibers.  You have to make sure you have as much headroom as
> possible for fade.  Second, is the issue of which channel you select. The
> highest channel has the least amount of rain fade.
>
> Matt, I suspect that if Ubiquiti had a 60Ghz radio out, you wouldn’t even
> be part of this discussion or you would say that rain fade was a feature to
> protect the environment.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and
> highly reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but expensive.
> Somewhat less so now that they have more serious 80 GHz competition from
> SIAE, Siklu and others.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a good
> experience.  So far nothing has changed my mind about that band.  And I am
> in Utah
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's
> silly USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...
>
>
>
> Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier
> grade, fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines
> reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less
> distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious
> products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and
> have dedicated management interfaces.
>
>
>
> "serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80
> GHz links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider
> themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter
> wave when it is necessary or justified.
>
>
>
> I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of
> one disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot
> glued to a plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds
> like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would
> be a contender.
>
>
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> Let me back up.
>
>
>
> We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during
> torrential down pours.
>
>
>
> Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.
>
>
>
> The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem
> for me is the fail over does not happen properly.
>
>
>
> It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too
> much out of it.
>
>
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>
> How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not
> fail over seemleasly at all.
>
>
>
> There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it
> sometimes flips.
>
>
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be
> complaining.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>
> *Midwest Internet Exchange*
>
> *The Brothers WISP*
>
>
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <*ch...@wbmfg.com *>
> *To: **af@afmug.com *
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this s

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Matt Hoppes]

U.  What?

Our links are aligned. The issue is the failover does not work properly. 

> On Oct 19, 2017, at 19:39, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> I echo what Eric is saying.  Part of the issue is alignment.  No different 
> than the AirFibers.  You have to make sure you have as much headroom as 
> possible for fade.  Second, is the issue of which channel you select. The 
> highest channel has the least amount of rain fade.
> 
> Matt, I suspect that if Ubiquiti had a 60Ghz radio out, you wouldn’t even be 
> part of this discussion or you would say that rain fade was a feature to 
> protect the environment.
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:57 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and highly 
> reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but expensive. Somewhat less 
> so now that they have more serious 80 GHz competition from SIAE, Siklu and 
> others.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a good experience. 
>  So far nothing has changed my mind about that band.  And I am in Utah
>  
> From: Eric Kuhnke
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly 
> USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff... 
>  
> Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, 
> fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability 
> at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in 
> places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that 
> take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated 
> management interfaces.
>  
> "serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz 
> links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider 
> themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter 
> wave when it is necessary or justified.
>  
> I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one 
> disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to a 
> plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds 
> like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be 
> a contender. 
>  
> From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> Let me back up.
>  
> We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
> torrential down pours.
>  
> Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.
>  
> The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem 
> for me is the fail over does not happen properly.
>  
> It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too 
> much out of it.
> 
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not 
> fail over seemleasly at all.
>  
> There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
> sometimes flips.
> 
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be 
> complaining.  ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
> start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data. 
>  
> From: Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf
>

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mathew Howard]

I don't believe that anyone could align these properly just using the
scopes. On a 1 mile link, you pretty much have to use the scope to even get
them to link, but you need to fine tune them after that, and in my
experience anyway, the scope doesn't align exactly the same on any two
radios. If I had just centered the crosshairs on the opposite end and
called it a day, I would've been at least 10db below what I ended up with.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Sam Beiler is able to align these using scopes at one mile without
> revisiting either side.
>
> 👍🏻
>
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 15:18, Chris Wright  wrote:
>
> I guess that makes me one of today’s lucky 10,000.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> It's already a done deal. Radio comes without mounts and they have a
> variety of mounts separately available. This has been stated what I feel
> like is dozens of times, but maybe that's in aggregate across all of the
> platforms I'm on.
>
>
>
> -
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> --
>
> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:59:56 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Agreed. Drop the radio price by however many pennies they’re paying for
> the mounts + added shipping weight and prevent a lot of noobs from needless
> suffering.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and
> make everyone order the decent ones.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Chris Wright" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with
> them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets
> and alignment scope.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.
>
>
>
> Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?
>
>
>
> I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
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>
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>

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/19/17 16:39, Rory Conaway wrote:
Matt, I suspect that if Ubiquiti had a 60Ghz radio out, you wouldn’t 
even be part of this discussion or you would say that rain fade was a 
feature to protect the environment.


Burn.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Rory Conaway]

I echo what Eric is saying.  Part of the issue is alignment.  No different than 
the AirFibers.  You have to make sure you have as much headroom as possible for 
fade.  Second, is the issue of which channel you select. The highest channel 
has the least amount of rain fade.

Matt, I suspect that if Ubiquiti had a 60Ghz radio out, you wouldn’t even be 
part of this discussion or you would say that rain fade was a feature to 
protect the environment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and highly 
reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but expensive. Somewhat less 
so now that they have more serious 80 GHz competition from SIAE, Siklu and 
others.




On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a good experience.  
So far nothing has changed my mind about that band.  And I am in Utah

From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly 
USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...

Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, 
fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability at 
500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places 
that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take 
direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management 
interfaces.

"serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz 
links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider 
themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter wave 
when it is necessary or justified.

I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one 
disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to a 
plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.





On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds like 
if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be a 
contender.

From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Let me back up.

We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
torrential down pours.

Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.

The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem for 
me is the fail over does not happen properly.

It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too much 
out of it.

On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not fail 
over seemleasly at all.

There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips.

On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be complaining.  
;-)


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP



<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
____
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.

From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf

page 7 vs. page 15


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP



________
From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mathew Howard]

We have two Metrolinq links running at slightly under a mile each... rain
fade is a bit worse than an airfiber 24ghz link running going twice the
distance. At 300 meters, I would be surprised if it ever had any major
issues... also, keep in mind that there's a very big difference between the
highest and lowest channels on these things, as far as oxygen absorption
goes.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and
> highly reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but expensive.
> Somewhat less so now that they have more serious 80 GHz competition from
> SIAE, Siklu and others.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a good
>> experience.  So far nothing has changed my mind about that band.  And I am
>> in Utah
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>> Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's
>> silly USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...
>>
>> Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier
>> grade, fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines
>> reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less
>> distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious
>> products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and
>> have dedicated management interfaces.
>>
>> "serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80
>> GHz links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider
>> themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter
>> wave when it is necessary or justified.
>>
>> I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of
>> one disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot
>> glued to a plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.
>>> Sounds like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it
>>> would be a contender.
>>>
>>> *From:* Matt Hoppes
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>>
>>> Let me back up.
>>>
>>> We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during
>>> torrential down pours.
>>>
>>> Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.
>>>
>>> The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The
>>> problem for me is the fail over does not happen properly.
>>>
>>> It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect
>>> too much out of it.
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>>>
>>> How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does
>>> not fail over seemleasly at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then
>>> it sometimes flips.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be
>>> complaining.  ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https:/

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Eric Kuhnke]

I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and highly
reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but expensive. Somewhat
less so now that they have more serious 80 GHz competition from SIAE, Siklu
and others.




On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a good
> experience.  So far nothing has changed my mind about that band.  And I am
> in Utah
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's
> silly USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...
>
> Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier
> grade, fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines
> reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less
> distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious
> products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and
> have dedicated management interfaces.
>
> "serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80
> GHz links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider
> themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter
> wave when it is necessary or justified.
>
> I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of
> one disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot
> glued to a plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.
>> Sounds like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it
>> would be a contender.
>>
>> *From:* Matt Hoppes
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>> Let me back up.
>>
>> We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during
>> torrential down pours.
>>
>> Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.
>>
>> The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The
>> problem for me is the fail over does not happen properly.
>>
>> It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect
>> too much out of it.
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>>
>> How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>>
>>
>> I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does
>> not fail over seemleasly at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it
>> sometimes flips.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be
>> complaining.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>> I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff
>> and start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subje

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chuck McCown]

I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a good experience.  
So far nothing has changed my mind about that band.  And I am in Utah

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly 
USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...  

Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, 
fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability at 
500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places 
that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take 
direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management 
interfaces. 

"serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz 
links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider 
themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter wave 
when it is necessary or justified.

I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one 
disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to a 
plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.





On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds 
like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be a 
contender.  

  From: Matt Hoppes 
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  Let me back up. 

  We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
torrential down pours. 

  Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. 

  The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem 
for me is the fail over does not happen properly. 

  It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too 
much out of it. 

  On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:


How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not 
fail over seemleasly at all. 



There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips. 


On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be 
complaining.  ;-)



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff 
and start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.  



  From: Mike Hammett 

  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  
https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf

  page 7 vs. page 15



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Chris Wright" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more 
than water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 
meters you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to 
your client.



  http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif



  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain? 





  -- Original Message --

  From: "Mike Hammett" 

  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP






--

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Eric Kuhnke]

Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's
silly USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...

Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier
grade, fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines
reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less
distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious
products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and
have dedicated management interfaces.

"serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz
links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider
themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter
wave when it is necessary or justified.

I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one
disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to
a plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.





On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds
> like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would
> be a contender.
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Let me back up.
>
> We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during
> torrential down pours.
>
> Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.
>
> The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem
> for me is the fail over does not happen properly.
>
> It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too
> much out of it.
>
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>
> How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not
> fail over seemleasly at all.
>
>
>
> There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it
> sometimes flips.
>
>
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be
> complaining.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff
> and start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/
> bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf
>
> page 7 vs. page 15
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Bill Prince]

For the record, birds don't "pee". Their #1 and #2 are combined into one
outlet, so they do something like 1-1/2 (neither 1 nor 2).

-bp

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds
> like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would
> be a contender.
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Let me back up.
>
> We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during
> torrential down pours.
>
> Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.
>
> The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem
> for me is the fail over does not happen properly.
>
> It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too
> much out of it.
>
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>
> How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not
> fail over seemleasly at all.
>
>
>
> There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it
> sometimes flips.
>
>
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be
> complaining.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff
> and start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/
> bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf
>
> page 7 vs. page 15
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more
> than water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at
> 300 meters you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took
> offense to your client.
>
>
>
> http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain?
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Mike Hamm

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chuck McCown]

Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds like 
if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be a 
contender.  

From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Let me back up. 

We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
torrential down pours. 

Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. 

The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem for 
me is the fail over does not happen properly. 

It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too much 
out of it. 

On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:


  How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?

   

  Rory

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

   

  I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not 
fail over seemleasly at all. 

   

  There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips. 


  On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:

If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be 
complaining.  ;-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.  

 

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 


https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf

page 7 vs. page 15



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your 
client.

 

http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain? 

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Mike Hammett" 

To: af@afmug.com

    Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

  Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  Is rain fade an issue?  

   

  I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz 
is so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
insignificant.

   

   

  -- Original Message --

  From: "Carl Peterson" 

  To: "af@afmug.com" 

  Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

   

Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket 
and make everyone order the decent ones.  

 

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

    To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

  I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy 
with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets 
and alignment scope.

   

  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Matt Hoppes]

Let me back up. 

We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
torrential down pours. 

Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. 

The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem for 
me is the fail over does not happen properly. 

It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too much 
out of it. 

> On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not 
> fail over seemleasly at all. 
>  
> There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
> sometimes flips. 
> 
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be 
> complaining.  ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
> start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data. 
>  
> From: Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf
> 
> page 7 vs. page 15
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
> water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 
> meters you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to 
> your client.
>  
> http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif
>  
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain?
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> Is rain fade an issue? 
>  
> I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is 
> so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
> insignificant.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Carl Peterson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
> everyone order the decent ones. 
>  
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
> them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
> alignment scope.
>  
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.
>  
> Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?
>  
> I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> --
> Carl Peterson
> PORT NETWORKS
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> (410) 637-3707
>  
>  
>  

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Rory Conaway]

How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not fail 
over seemleasly at all.

There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips.

On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be complaining.  
;-)


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From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.

From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf

page 7 vs. page 15


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Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
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________
From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your 
client.

http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain?


-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.


-
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Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chuck McCown]

Now that’s more like it.  

From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not fail 
over seemleasly at all. 

There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips. 

On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:


  If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be 
complaining.  ;-)




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


  I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.  

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  
https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf

  page 7 vs. page 15




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Chris Wright" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


  Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your 
client.



  http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif



  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain? 





  -- Original Message --

  From: "Mike Hammett" 

  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Is rain fade an issue?  



I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz 
is so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
insignificant.





-- Original Message --

From: "Carl Peterson" 

To: "af@afmug.com" 

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and 
make everyone order the decent ones.  



  On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?





  -- Original Message --

  From: "Chris Wright" 

  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy 
with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets 
and alignment scope.



Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.



Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.











  -- 

  Carl Peterson

  PORT NETWORKS

  401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

  Baltimore, MD 21202

  (410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Matt Hoppes]

I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not fail 
over seemleasly at all. 

There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips. 

> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be 
> complaining.  ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
> start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data. 
>  
> From: Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf
> 
> page 7 vs. page 15
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
> water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 
> meters you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to 
> your client.
>  
> http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif
>  
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain?
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> Is rain fade an issue? 
>  
> I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is 
> so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
> insignificant.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Carl Peterson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
> everyone order the decent ones. 
>  
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
> them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
> alignment scope.
>  
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.
>  
> Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?
>  
> I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> --
> Carl Peterson
> PORT NETWORKS
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> (410) 637-3707
>  
>  
> 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chuck McCown]

Spoken like a true evangelist.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be complaining.  
;-)




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf

page 7 vs. page 15




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your 
client.



http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif



Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain? 





-- Original Message --

From: "Mike Hammett" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  Is rain fade an issue?  



  I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is 
so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
insignificant.





  -- Original Message --

  From: "Carl Peterson" 

  To: "af@afmug.com" 

  Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and 
make everyone order the decent ones.  



On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?





-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy 
with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets 
and alignment scope.



  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.



  Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



  I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.











-- 

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Jaime Solorza]

Having installed tons of Siklu and Bridgewave links at Fort Bliss and ICE
compound in Artesia, here are my tips. Make sure mounts are level and plumb
with solid anchors...no movement.  Align azimuth first and then elevation
in slow precise movements.  The Siklu alignment tool works well even though
it is just plastic.  Easy to fabricate one or if Chuck still makes his, buy
one.

On Oct 19, 2017 2:16 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> Is rain fade an issue?
>
> I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz
> is so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is
> insignificant.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Carl Peterson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and
> make everyone order the decent ones.
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chris Wright" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>> I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy
>> with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range”
>> brackets and alignment scope.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an
>> option.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=401+E+Pratt+St,+Ste+2553%0D+Baltimore,+MD+21202&entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=401+E+Pratt+St,+Ste+2553%0D+Baltimore,+MD+21202&entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> (410) 637-3707
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mike Hammett]

If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be complaining. 
;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 




I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it. Then we will have believable data. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf
 

page 7 vs. page 15 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chris Wright"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 



Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your 
client. 

http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


This link would be just under 300 meters. Will I ever go down for rain? 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

Is rain fade an issue? 



I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is so 
great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
insignificant. 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 

To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones. 



On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 


At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? 







-- Original Message -- 

From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope. 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option. 



Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? 



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up. 











-- 


Carl Peterson 
PORT NETWORKS 
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 
Baltimore, MD 21202 
(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chuck McCown]

I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf

page 7 vs. page 15




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your 
client.



http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif



Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain? 





-- Original Message --

From: "Mike Hammett" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  Is rain fade an issue?  



  I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is 
so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
insignificant.





  -- Original Message --

  From: "Carl Peterson" 

  To: "af@afmug.com" 

  Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and 
make everyone order the decent ones.  



On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?





-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

    To: af@afmug.com

    Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy 
with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets 
and alignment scope.



  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.



  Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



  I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.











-- 

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mike Hammett]

https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf
 

page 7 vs. page 15 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chris Wright"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 



Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your 
client. 

http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


This link would be just under 300 meters. Will I ever go down for rain? 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

Is rain fade an issue? 



I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is so 
great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
insignificant. 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 

To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones. 



On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 


At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? 







-- Original Message -- 

From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope. 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option. 



Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? 



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up. 











-- 


Carl Peterson 
PORT NETWORKS 
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 
Baltimore, MD 21202 
(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chris Wright]

Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your 
client.

 

 <http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif> 
http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain? 

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Mike Hammett" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.



-
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 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
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  _  


From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Is rain fade an issue?  

 

I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is so 
great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is insignificant.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Carl Peterson" 

To: "af@afmug.com" 

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones.  

 

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.

 

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

 

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

 

 





 

-- 

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707 

 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mike Hammett]

Oxygen absorption peaks near the 60 GHz point at around 11 dB/km. Per NOAA in 
my area, we'll see a rain that is at least 4.76"/hr measured on a 5 minute 
interval every year. That's often enough for me. That's about 120 mm/hr. That's 
about 30 - 40 dB/km. 

Yes, rain does have a significant impact on 60 GHz. 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:17:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


Weird. I thought dumb people weren't allowed to write articles on The Internet. 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 





Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


Is rain fade an issue? 


I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is so 
great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
insignificant. 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 





Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones. 


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? 






-- Original Message -- 
From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope. 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option. 



Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? 



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up. 











-- 



Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 
Baltimore, MD 21202 
(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mike Hammett]

Very unlikely. 

https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/956205354504917 


https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1152763711515746 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:19:17 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


This link would be just under 300 meters. Will I ever go down for rain? 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 





Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


Is rain fade an issue? 


I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is so 
great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
insignificant. 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 





Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones. 


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? 






-- Original Message -- 
From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope. 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option. 



Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? 



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up. 











-- 



Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 
Baltimore, MD 21202 
(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Adam Moffett]

On your 1300m link, does it sometimes switch to 5ghz?  How much of a hit 
do you take when it switches from radio to the other?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy 
with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” 
brackets and alignment scope.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.




Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Adam Moffett]

This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain?


-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
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<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Is rain fade an issue?

I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 
60ghz is so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain 
fade is insignificant.



-- Original Message --
From: "Carl Peterson" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket 
and make everyone order the decent ones.


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very 
happy with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long 
range” brackets and alignment scope.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.




Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be 
up.










--
Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Adam Moffett]

Weird.  I thought dumb people weren't allowed to write articles on The 
Internet.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

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<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>

The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Is rain fade an issue?

I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 
60ghz is so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain 
fade is insignificant.



-- Original Message --
From: "Carl Peterson" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket 
and make everyone order the decent ones.


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very 
happy with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long 
range” brackets and alignment scope.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.




Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be 
up.










--
Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mike Hammett]

Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


Is rain fade an issue? 


I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is so 
great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
insignificant. 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 
To: "af@afmug.com" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 





Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones. 


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? 






-- Original Message -- 
From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope. 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option. 



Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? 



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up. 











-- 



Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 
Baltimore, MD 21202 
(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Adam Moffett]

Is rain fade an issue?

I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 
60ghz is so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain 
fade is insignificant.



-- Original Message --
From: "Carl Peterson" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket 
and make everyone order the decent ones.


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy 
with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” 
brackets and alignment scope.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.




Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be 
up.










--
Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Matt Hoppes]

Sam Beiler is able to align these using scopes at one mile without revisiting 
either side. 

👍🏻

> On Oct 19, 2017, at 15:18, Chris Wright  wrote:
> 
> I guess that makes me one of today’s lucky 10,000.
>  
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> It's already a done deal. Radio comes without mounts and they have a variety 
> of mounts separately available. This has been stated what I feel like is 
> dozens of times, but maybe that's in aggregate across all of the platforms 
> I'm on.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:59:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> Agreed. Drop the radio price by however many pennies they’re paying for the 
> mounts + added shipping weight and prevent a lot of noobs from needless 
> suffering.
>  
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:59 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
> everyone order the decent ones.  
>  
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
> them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
> alignment scope.
>  
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.
>  
> Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?
>  
> I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> --
> Carl Peterson
> 
> PORT NETWORKS
> 
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> 
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> 
> (410) 637-3707 
> 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chris Wright]

I guess that makes me one of today’s lucky 10,000.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

It's already a done deal. Radio comes without mounts and they have a variety of 
mounts separately available. This has been stated what I feel like is dozens of 
times, but maybe that's in aggregate across all of the platforms I'm on.



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
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 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
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 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 




  _  

From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:59:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Agreed. Drop the radio price by however many pennies they’re paying for the 
mounts + added shipping weight and prevent a lot of noobs from needless 
suffering.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones.  

 

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.

 

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

 

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

 

 





 

-- 

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707 

 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mike Hammett]

It's already a done deal. Radio comes without mounts and they have a variety of 
mounts separately available. This has been stated what I feel like is dozens of 
times, but maybe that's in aggregate across all of the platforms I'm on. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chris Wright"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:59:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 



Agreed. Drop the radio price by however many pennies they’re paying for the 
mounts + added shipping weight and prevent a lot of noobs from needless 
suffering. 

Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:59 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones. 



On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 


At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? 







-- Original Message -- 

From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope. 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option. 



Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? 



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up. 











-- 


Carl Peterson 
PORT NETWORKS 
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 
Baltimore, MD 21202 
(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mike Hammett]

The "regular" bracket is good for high angles. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Carl Peterson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:58:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones. 


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? 






-- Original Message -- 
From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope. 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option. 



Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? 



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up. 











-- 



Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 
Baltimore, MD 21202 
(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[chuck]

Depends on the gain.  A 10 footer is always hard.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Except 6ghz at 13km isn't very hard at all.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 3:01:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  I would guess it would be as fussy as a 6 GHz @ 13 kM.  Directivity scales 
with frequency.  

  From: Chris Wright 
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:56 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  Absolutely yes. 60GHz for the first time will make whoever is doing the 
alignment rethink their profession.

   

  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

   

  Yes


  On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

  I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy 
with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets 
and alignment scope.

   

  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

   

  I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.

   

  Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

   

  I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

   

   

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[George Skorup]

Yeah, what he said.

On 10/19/2017 2:08 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Depends on the gain.  A 10 footer is always hard.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
Except 6ghz at 13km isn't very hard at all.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 3:01:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
I would guess it would be as fussy as a 6 GHz @ 13 kM.  Directivity 
scales with frequency.

*From:* Chris Wright
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:56 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Absolutely yes. 60GHz for the first time will make whoever is doing 
the alignment rethink their profession.


Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:56 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes


On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61.
Very happy with them. The mounts they come with are trash.
Get the “long range” brackets and alignment scope.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam
Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems
like an option.

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it
to be up.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[George Skorup]

Yeahbut what size antenna? Try a 10+ footer that's <1 degree 3dB beamwidth.

On 10/19/2017 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Except 6ghz at 13km isn't very hard at all.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 10/19/2017 3:01:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I would guess it would be as fussy as a 6 GHz @ 13 kM.  Directivity 
scales with frequency.

*From:* Chris Wright
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:56 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Absolutely yes. 60GHz for the first time will make whoever is doing 
the alignment rethink their profession.


Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] 
*On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes

*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:56 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes


On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

    Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61.
Very happy with them. The mounts they come with are trash.
Get the “long range” brackets and alignment scope.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam
Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems
like an option.

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it
to be up.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Adam Moffett]

Ah.  I haven't done anything bigger than 4'.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 3:08:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


Depends on the gain.  A 10 footer is always hard.

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:03 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Except 6ghz at 13km isn't very hard at all.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 3:01:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I would guess it would be as fussy as a 6 GHz @ 13 kM.  Directivity 
scales with frequency.


From:Chris Wright
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:56 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Absolutely yes. 60GHz for the first time will make whoever is doing 
the alignment rethink their profession.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:56 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



Yes


On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett  wrote:


At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?





-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very 
happy with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long 
range” brackets and alignment scope.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.




Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be 
up.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Dustin Jurman]

True!

DSJ

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 2:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes

On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Adam Moffett]

Except 6ghz at 13km isn't very hard at all.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 3:01:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I would guess it would be as fussy as a 6 GHz @ 13 kM.  Directivity 
scales with frequency.


From:Chris Wright
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:56 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Absolutely yes. 60GHz for the first time will make whoever is doing the 
alignment rethink their profession.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:56 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



Yes


On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett  wrote:


At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?





-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy 
with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” 
brackets and alignment scope.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.




Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be 
up.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Robert]

I waited almost 5 months for my LR brackets to be in stock..

On 10/19/17 9:01 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I would guess it would be as fussy as a 6 GHz @ 13 kM.  Directivity 
scales with frequency.

*From:* Chris Wright
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:56 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Absolutely yes. 60GHz for the first time will make whoever is doing the 
alignment rethink their profession.


Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:56 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes


On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very
happy with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the
“long range” brackets and alignment scope.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like
an option.

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to
be up.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Carl Peterson]

Glad its not just me that can't align these things.  I can align a
bridgwave or siklu in 15 minutes tops, and know exactly when it is aligned,
but budget at least 4 hours for an ignite and even then I have no idea if
it is really aligned right.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and
> make everyone order the decent ones.
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chris Wright" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>> I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy
>> with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range”
>> brackets and alignment scope.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an
>> option.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>



-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[chuck]

I would guess it would be as fussy as a 6 GHz @ 13 kM.  Directivity scales with 
frequency.  

From: Chris Wright 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Absolutely yes. 60GHz for the first time will make whoever is doing the 
alignment rethink their profession.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

Yes


On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

   

   

  -- Original Message --

  From: "Chris Wright" 

  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

   

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.

 

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

 

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chris Wright]

Agreed. Drop the radio price by however many pennies they’re paying for the 
mounts + added shipping weight and prevent a lot of noobs from needless 
suffering.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones.  

 

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.

 

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

 

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

 

 





 

-- 

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Carl Peterson]

Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and
make everyone order the decent ones.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with
> them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets
> and alignment scope.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.
>
>
>
> Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?
>
>
>
> I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chris Wright]

Absolutely yes. 60GHz for the first time will make whoever is doing the 
alignment rethink their profession.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

Yes


On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.

 

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

 

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Matt Hoppes]

Yes

> On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
>> I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
>> them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
>> alignment scope.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Chris Wright
>> 
>> Network Administrator
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Adam Moffett]

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy 
with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” 
brackets and alignment scope.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.




Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chris Wright]

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.

 

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

 

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.