Re: [AOLSERVER] OpenNSD Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
A bit late, but I've had this sitting in my inbox waiting for a reply: On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 09:51 PM, Andrew Piskorski wrote: And FurFly has registered http://www.open-nsd.org/;, but there's nothing actually there yet. We registered those because there were rumblings in the OpenACS community that they wanted to revive OpenNSD. Now that community relations over here seem to be improving, we probably won't bother. Certainly we'll wait to see how things shake out before deciding if there's still a need for the OpenNSD project. The one justification which is likely to remain is the desire to change the name, but somehow I don't expect the AOL folks would be too thrilled with that suggestion. :) janine -- Janine Sisk President/CEO furfly.net, LLC Mont Vernon, NH Phone: 603-672-1122
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
On 2002.10.22, Scott Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone knows how to create a new listserv mailing list, say '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', [...] Someone with admin. privileges to the LISTSERV installation at AOL would have to issue a PUT LIST ... (Yes, just recently I used to administer just around 1,300 LISTSERV mailing lists ...) I don't know who the admins of the AOL LISTSERV are, though. Perhaps it would be better to set up a Yahoo! Group as you've said, as we could do it ourselves. I would, however, suggest that the group be set up as read-only (announce-only) so that people don't try and reply to the email. Instead, if they reply to the mail, they should get back the moderator message which should instruct them to go to the SourceForge tracker URL to submit their message. Anyone see a better solution? -- Dossy -- Dossy Shiobara mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
On 2002.10.22, Andrew Piskorski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 03:04:08AM +, Scott Goodwin wrote: The bugs, features, patches tracking email notifications could be sent to a separate list, handled the same way the AOLserver discussion list is. I While you were there, did you see any admin settings on SF to change the formatting of the emails that do get sent out? Currently, SF is neither sending out just the most recent reply plus a URL to the rest of the SF thread (which would be best), nor sending the entire thread in chronological order (which would be annoying but at least intelligble). Instead, it seems to be doing some sort of worst of both worlds mix (which I never really bothered to mentally parse). Yuck. It sends out the initial ticket text, followed by all comments in reverse chronological order (latest first). This was a change from sending it in chronological order (latest last) which is really annoying -- having to scroll ALL the way to the bottom of the email to see the most recent comment. This was a feature request I put in against SourceForge itself which eventually got implemented. -- Dossy -- Dossy Shiobara mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
I don't think anyone was suggested shutting down the AOLserver discussion list, just creating a new list where SF bug, feature and patch notifications would go, so those who really wanted to see them can get them . Personally I don't think we want to disrupt the current AOLserver discussion list. We might lose some lurkers who aren't going to bother signing up on the new list, and that would be a mistake at this point. /s. -Original Message- From: AOLserver Discussion [mailto:AOLSERVER;LISTSERV.AOL.COM] On Behalf Of Nathan Folkman Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 08:57 AM, Peter M. Jansson wrote: This is a really good idea. I notice that the SF project for AOLserver has mailing lists turned off -- can we get it turned on and set up a mailing list there? Sure. I just want to make sure there aren't too many forms of primary communication. How about a quick vote? 1. Continue to use existing AOL listserv 2. Start up SF listserv and shut down AOL listserv Please let me know. Thanks! - n
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
For the folks who do not like the SF email on the regular AS discussion list, shutting down the regular list and making it SF-only would be exactly the wrong thing to do. Personally, I wouldn't mind getting a SF email summary once per week on this list, or even better, a web link to a summary page where I could see everything that has changed in the last week. I might look at that once a week, to see if there is anything interesting. The SF mailing list format is not very conducive to informal, personal discussions about a subject, IMO, because of all the formatting and everything. I realize it is a very *complete* format, but that doesn't mean it encourages people to participate in an easy way via email. It is much less personal, to me. (But, I have to thank Dossy for getting them to at least list the responses in an order that makes sense. I use elm, so trying to get to the bottom of these SF emails every time was a real pain. I just started deleting them.) What would be cool is if the SF email contained a response link that went to a web page showing the last comment, a box for me to put in a new comment, and automagically signed me in. Click, type, submit. That I'd probably use. Maybe I am just dumb with SF and this is possible, but when I go there, I get lost. Jim I don't think anyone was suggested shutting down the AOLserver discussion list, just creating a new list where SF bug, feature and patch notifications would go, so those who really wanted to see them can get them . Personally I don't think we want to disrupt the current AOLserver discussion list. We might lose some lurkers who aren't going to bother signing up on the new list, and that would be a mistake at this point. /s. -Original Message- From: AOLserver Discussion [mailto:AOLSERVER;LISTSERV.AOL.COM] On Behalf Of Nathan Folkman Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 08:57 AM, Peter M. Jansson wrote: This is a really good idea. I notice that the SF project for AOLserver has mailing lists turned off -- can we get it turned on and set up a mailing list there? Sure. I just want to make sure there aren't too many forms of primary communication. How about a quick vote? 1. Continue to use existing AOL listserv 2. Start up SF listserv and shut down AOL listserv Please let me know. Thanks! - n
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
Has anyone ever though about using BBS software, like UBB or vBulletin? It's more like a community. SF is a development environment. Jim On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 10:51 AM, Scott S. Goodwin wrote: I don't think anyone was suggested shutting down the AOLserver discussion list, just creating a new list where SF bug, feature and patch notifications would go, so those who really wanted to see them can get them . Personally I don't think we want to disrupt the current AOLserver discussion list. We might lose some lurkers who aren't going to bother signing up on the new list, and that would be a mistake at this point. /s. Don't worry, I'm not going to shut down anything. Just trying to better understand what changes can be made to help better serve the community. I'd be more then happy to set up additional lists. Reading all the posts this morning makes me think that we need some better ways for everyone to communicate. Would be pretty easy for us to set up some simple polls where everyone could vote on different options. Think this might make it easier to come to a consensus. What does everyone else think? - n
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 11:05 AM, Jim Wilcoxson wrote: Has anyone ever though about using BBS software, like UBB or vBulletin? It's more like a community. SF is a development environment. SF has forums like those, and (once you've bookmarked them) they work just about the same way. I think Nathan is right, though, and too many forums would not be good (unless one forum could be read by email, NNTP, or web bboard interface -- there are versions of these). As it is, those of us who don't check the OpenACS and OpenNSD forums regularly miss stuff, so I' d prefer not to throw another forum into the mix -- but that's just me. Pete.
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
#3 makes the most sense to me, too. janine On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 11:04 AM, Peter M. Jansson wrote: On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 10:37 AM, Nathan Folkman wrote: 1. Continue to use existing AOL listserv 2. Start up SF listserv and shut down AOL listserv 3. Keep using the AOL listserv for most discussion, and use the SF listserv for just tracker announcements. -- Janine Sisk President/CEO furfly.net, LLC Mont Vernon, NH Phone: 603-672-1122
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
Janine Sisk wrote: #3 makes the most sense to me, too. There is something about the SF email I don't like. I hope everyone decides to keep using the AOL forum. --Tom Jackson
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
This option sounds best to me. The AOLserver listserv works just fine for me and I find it incredibly valuable. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! (Bert Lance) I have figured a way to quickly scan SF messages and assess their relevance, but their formatting of responses _is_ a pain to digest if I decide to look further. That _is_ somewhat broke. Dave Siktberg Webility Corporation 3. Keep using the AOL listserv for most discussion, and use the SF listserv for just tracker announcements.
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
On 2002.10.22, Scott S. Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think anyone was suggested shutting down the AOLserver discussion list, just creating a new list where SF bug, feature and patch notifications would go, so those who really wanted to see them can get them . Personally I don't think we want to disrupt the current AOLserver discussion list. We might lose some lurkers who aren't going to bother signing up on the new list, and that would be a mistake at this point. Thanks. You took the words right out of my mouth. Leave general discussion on LISTSERV where it's already well established. Use SF to manage all of SF's activities. It makes a lot of sense. -- Dossy -- Dossy Shiobara mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
On 2002.10.22, Jim Wilcoxson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would be cool is if the SF email contained a response link that went to a web page It already does this. It's the third line in the email: Support Requests item #626122, was opened at 2002-10-20 19:25 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=203152aid=626122group_id=3152 showing the last comment, OK, you'll have to scroll down past the initial ticket text to get to the most recent comment. a box for me to put in a new comment, It's there. and automagically signed me in. They previously didn't do auto-login via cookies. They've since changed that by adding a remember me option at the login. Go here: http://sourceforge.net/account/login.php Make sure that the two options are checked, Stay in SSL mode after login and Remember Me. It's the Remember Me option that's recently been added. (I'm sure that feature was high on people's wishlists for SF.) That I'd probably use. So, start using it. ;-) Maybe I am just dumb with SF and this is possible, but when I go there, I get lost. How do you get lost? What's the use case or scenario that you're trying to follow that gets you lost? Perhaps you should log a bug or feature request against SF itself. -- Dossy -- Dossy Shiobara mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
On 2002.10.22, Jim Wilcoxson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone ever though about using BBS software, like UBB or vBulletin? It's more like a community. SF is a development environment. I strongly urge that we don't consider web-only community software. Yahoo! Groups meets in the middle, offering email-based interaction along with a featureful web interface. -- Dossy -- Dossy Shiobara mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
On 2002.10.22, Nathan Folkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 11:04 AM, Peter M. Jansson wrote: 3. Keep using the AOL listserv for most discussion, and use the SF listserv for just tracker announcements. this is something that would be very easy to do. anyone else agree with this option. what new lists would you want? One for each tracker. -- Dossy -- Dossy Shiobara mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
On 2002.10.22, Peter M. Jansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] As it is, those of us who don't check the OpenACS and OpenNSD forums regularly miss stuff, [...] Speaking of which, has anyone checked OpenNSD at all, lately? It seems completely defunct. Going to http://www.opennsd.org/ is a URL redirect to http://www.namecheap.com/dom.asp?d=opennsd.org ... what's up? -- Dossy -- Dossy Shiobara mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
I liked everything the way it was. On Tuesday 22 October 2002 04:03 pm, (Via wrote: On 2002.10.22, Nathan Folkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't worry, I'm not going to shut down anything. Just trying to better understand what changes can be made to help better serve the community. I'd be more then happy to set up additional lists. My gripe with using the AOL-managed LISTSERV for community-focused things is the lack of community control of the assets. If we use SF mailing lists, then the community can help manage those assets. This of course raises the question of then why leave the discussion on the AOL-managed LISTSERV ... my only answer is, because for discussion, SF mailing lists aren't as nice. I'd be interested in moving the discussion list to a Yahoo! Group, as their features are quite nice -- the web interface is really good, being able to post files and set up polls, etc. Reading all the posts this morning makes me think that we need some better ways for everyone to communicate. Would be pretty easy for us to set up some simple polls where everyone could vote on different options. Think this might make it easier to come to a consensus. What does everyone else think? I think an Ousterhoutian poll is sufficient here. Looks like there's enough yay votes (compared to the nay votes) to justify moving the SourceForge tracker mail OFF the general discussion list. The question is where to move it to, and I definitely vote for a series of SF mailing lists. -- Dossy
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
On 2002.10.22, David Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I liked everything the way it was. You liked having the SourceForge tracker messages going to the same mailing list that the rest of the discussion was going to? I personally don't mind it either: my MUA (Mutt) is studly, and through mutt filtering and procmail filtering kung-fu, I process about 3000 emails a month (that I read -- I receive about 7000 a month, 4000 of which I mostly file away and eventually delete). Without this extraordinary setup, I don't think I could possibly manage the volume ... However, in consideration for other people who are far less masterful in their mail kungfu, I'm perfectly happy splitting the SF tracker messages to their own dedicated mailing lists. I'll route them to the same places they go now, so it's transparent to me, anyway ... However, I'm curious to hear your reasons for liking things the way they currently are. -- Dossy -- Dossy Shiobara mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
For better or worse the current AOLserver listserv, in my opinion, has been one the most successful forums for communication that we've tried thus far. That said, it wouldn't make much sense to disrupt the status quo. We went ahead and created a new listserv to siphon off some of the Source Forge specific feedback - aolserver-sf (see Shaz's previous post). Suggest we give that a try and see if it meets the community's needs. We can always create additional lists if necessary. - n
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
On 2002.10.22, No Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nathan, you botched your subscription to the new list and probably used * instead of putting firstname/lastname. One of the downfalls of LISTSERV is that it tends to change that across all the lists you're on. ;-) -- Dossy -- Dossy Shiobara mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 05:08 PM, David Walker wrote: I liked everything the way it was. While I didn't mind getting the SF tracker messages on the mailing list, I winced when folks replied to the list, rather than to the tracker, only because I knew that meant the person who initiated the request through the tracker wasn't necessarily going to see the response. Splitting those messages off into another list that doesn't accept replies is a good thing, I think.
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
One for each tracker. -- Dossy I'd say let's keep one list for ALL tracker stuff. I don't think the traffic is high enough for it to be split into multiple lists, so I don't think there's a need for the added complexity of multiple tracker mailing lists at this point. /s.
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
I'm OK with the 2 list format also. The subjects of the tracker messages are not significantly different from the subjects of the list messages. Too much separation and the sourceforge interface will grow stagnant and important information or questions posted there by people not on the list or new to aolserver or whatever will just be ignored. On Tuesday 22 October 2002 04:18 pm, (Via wrote: On 2002.10.22, David Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I liked everything the way it was. You liked having the SourceForge tracker messages going to the same mailing list that the rest of the discussion was going to? I personally don't mind it either: my MUA (Mutt) is studly, and through mutt filtering and procmail filtering kung-fu, I process about 3000 emails a month (that I read -- I receive about 7000 a month, 4000 of which I mostly file away and eventually delete). Without this extraordinary setup, I don't think I could possibly manage the volume ... However, in consideration for other people who are far less masterful in their mail kungfu, I'm perfectly happy splitting the SF tracker messages to their own dedicated mailing lists. I'll route them to the same places they go now, so it's transparent to me, anyway ... However, I'm curious to hear your reasons for liking things the way they currently are. -- Dossy
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
- Original Message - From: Dossy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail On 2002.10.22, Nathan Folkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't worry, I'm not going to shut down anything. Just trying to better understand what changes can be made to help better serve the community. I'd be more then happy to set up additional lists. My gripe with using the AOL-managed LISTSERV for community-focused things is the lack of community control of the assets. If we use SF mailing lists, then the community can help manage those assets. This of course raises the question of then why leave the discussion on the AOL-managed LISTSERV ... my only answer is, because for discussion, SF mailing lists aren't as nice. I'd be interested in moving the discussion list to a Yahoo! Group, as their features are quite nice -- the web interface is really good, being able to post files and set up polls, etc. Yahoogroups emails also trigger lots of anti-spam stuff.. as well as being chock full of advertising.. sometimes 4+ inch tall graphics before each message...
[AOLSERVER] OpenNSD Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 05:11:46PM -0400, Dossy wrote: On 2002.10.22, Peter M. Jansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] As it is, those of us who don't check the OpenACS and OpenNSD forums regularly miss stuff, [...] Speaking of which, has anyone checked OpenNSD at all, lately? It seems completely defunct. Going to http://www.opennsd.org/ is a URL redirect to http://www.namecheap.com/dom.asp?d=opennsd.org ... what's up? I think someone forgot to re-register the name, and opennsd.org morphed into a redirect to a porn sight for a while... More details here: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0006Dk From that thead, the old opennsd.org site is currently available at: http://208.184.248.79/ And FurFly has registered http://www.open-nsd.org/;, but there's nothing actually there yet. I'm rather fond of Talli's advocacy comment: It's not just a porn site, but a multi-threaded porn site with an embedded tcl interpreter and native db api. See how easy it is to sell this stuff? ;) -- Andrew Piskorski [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.piskorski.com
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
*cough* should be on their own list *cough* -- Patrick Spence arivenATarivenDOTcom www.RandomRamblings.com www.Ariven.com - Original Message - From: Dossy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:03 AM Subject: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail All, Please do not respond to SourceForge-generated mail to the mailing list. It is not a bidirectional interface. Your responses will not be seen by the participants of the ticket. If you'd like to respond, please go to http://sf.net/tracker/index.php?group=3152 and respond directly to the ticket via the web interface. Thanks, -- Dossy -- Dossy Shiobara mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)
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Yeah, I agree. Get a flood of these is not much fun. I apologize for not posting on SF. I did go there, couldn't figure out what the hell to do (even though I know I am registered there), probably couldn't remember the password I registered with anyway, so I punted and just replied to the email. I realize this is lame on my part - sorry. Jim *cough* should be on their own list *cough* -- Patrick Spence arivenATarivenDOTcom www.RandomRamblings.com www.Ariven.com - Original Message - From: Dossy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:03 AM Subject: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail All, Please do not respond to SourceForge-generated mail to the mailing list. It is not a bidirectional interface. Your responses will not be seen by the participants of the ticket. If you'd like to respond, please go to http://sf.net/tracker/index.php?group=3152 and respond directly to the ticket via the web interface. Thanks, -- Dossy -- Dossy Shiobara mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)
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On 2002.10.21, Patrick Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *cough* should be on their own list *cough* Maybe. Although, who'd bother signing up to that list? It's good that people who might not normally participate in answering SF questions see the questions and can contribute if they choose to. If I have to post people's responses directly to SF, that might be the best way of handling it. -- Dossy -- Dossy Shiobara mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
- Original Message - From: Dossy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail On 2002.10.21, Patrick Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *cough* should be on their own list *cough* Maybe. Although, who'd bother signing up to that list? Those interested in seeing the questions and helping with them. Say the various project leaders of the various modules... It's good that people who might not normally participate in answering SF questions see the questions and can contribute if they choose to. If I have to post people's responses directly to SF, that might be the best way of handling it. Its also bad because it takes up list bandwidth for messages that can't be replied to and are in a format that is hard to read... especially when you realise that I am probably not the only person here who killfiles them. :) (thus proving they ARE a waste of bandwidth since -someone- deletes them out of hand) -- Patrick Spence arivenATarivenDOTcom www.RandomRamblings.com www.Ariven.com
Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
The bugs, features, patches tracking email notifications could be sent to a separate list, handled the same way the AOLserver discussion list is. I just checked the SF admin page for the bug tracker, and the email address that the notices are being sent to is the AOLserver discussion group (ok, duh). If someone knows how to create a new listserv mailing list, say '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', we can direct all of the bugs, features, patches traffic to that list, and you'd need to sign up there to see them via email. Failing that, we could set up a Yahoo or other group to direct it to. I'd prefer it be handled the same way the discussion list is, though. There are probably other ways of doing it that might be even better. /s. On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:41:01 -0700, Patrick Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: - Original Message - From: Dossy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail On 2002.10.21, Patrick Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *cough* should be on their own list *cough* Maybe. Although, who'd bother signing up to that list? Those interested in seeing the questions and helping with them. Say the various project leaders of the various modules... It's good that people who might not normally participate in answering SF questions see the questions and can contribute if they choose to. If I have to post people's responses directly to SF, that might be the best way of handling it. Its also bad because it takes up list bandwidth for messages that can't be replied to and are in a format that is hard to read... especially when you realise that I am probably not the only person here who killfiles them. :) (thus proving they ARE a waste of bandwidth since -someone- deletes them out of hand) -- Patrick Spence arivenATarivenDOTcom www.RandomRamblings.com www.Ariven.com -- Scott Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://scottg.net