Re: [AOLSERVER] OpenNSD Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-11-13 Thread Janine Sisk
A bit late, but I've had this sitting in my inbox waiting for a reply:

On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 09:51 PM, Andrew Piskorski wrote:


And FurFly has registered http://www.open-nsd.org/;, but there's
nothing actually there yet.


We registered those because there were rumblings in the OpenACS
community that they wanted to revive OpenNSD.  Now that community
relations over here seem to be improving, we probably won't bother.
Certainly we'll wait to see how things shake out before deciding if
there's still a need for the OpenNSD project.

The one justification which is likely to remain is the desire to change
the name, but somehow I don't expect the AOL folks would be too
thrilled with that suggestion. :)

janine

--
Janine Sisk
President/CEO
furfly.net, LLC
Mont Vernon, NH
Phone: 603-672-1122



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Dossy
On 2002.10.22, Scott Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If someone knows how to create a new listserv mailing list, say
 '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', [...]

Someone with admin. privileges to the LISTSERV installation at AOL would
have to issue a PUT LIST ...

(Yes, just recently I used to administer just around 1,300 LISTSERV
mailing lists ...)

I don't know who the admins of the AOL LISTSERV are, though.

Perhaps it would be better to set up a Yahoo! Group as you've said, as
we could do it ourselves.  I would, however, suggest that the group be
set up as read-only (announce-only) so that people don't try and reply
to the email.  Instead, if they reply to the mail, they should get back
the moderator message which should instruct them to go to the
SourceForge tracker URL to submit their message.

Anyone see a better solution?

-- Dossy

--
Dossy Shiobara   mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/
  He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own
folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Dossy
On 2002.10.22, Andrew Piskorski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 03:04:08AM +, Scott Goodwin wrote:
  The bugs, features, patches tracking email notifications could be sent to
  a separate list, handled the same way the AOLserver discussion list is. I

 While you were there, did you see any admin settings on SF to change
 the formatting of the emails that do get sent out?  Currently, SF is
 neither sending out just the most recent reply plus a URL to the rest
 of the SF thread (which would be best), nor sending the entire thread
 in chronological order (which would be annoying but at least
 intelligble).  Instead, it seems to be doing some sort of worst of
 both worlds mix (which I never really bothered to mentally parse).
 Yuck.

It sends out the initial ticket text, followed by all comments
in reverse chronological order (latest first).

This was a change from sending it in chronological order (latest
last) which is really annoying -- having to scroll ALL the way
to the bottom of the email to see the most recent comment.  This
was a feature request I put in against SourceForge itself which
eventually got implemented.

-- Dossy

--
Dossy Shiobara   mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/
  He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own
folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Scott S. Goodwin
I don't think anyone was suggested shutting down the AOLserver
discussion list, just creating a new list where SF bug, feature and
patch notifications would go, so those who really wanted to see them can
get them .

Personally I don't think we want to disrupt the current AOLserver
discussion list. We might lose some lurkers who aren't going to bother
signing up on the new list, and that would be a mistake at this point.

/s.



 -Original Message-
 From: AOLserver Discussion
 [mailto:AOLSERVER;LISTSERV.AOL.COM] On Behalf Of Nathan Folkman
 Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:37 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail


 On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 08:57 AM, Peter M. Jansson wrote:

  This is a really good idea.
 
  I notice that the SF project for AOLserver has mailing lists turned
  off -- can we get it turned on and set up a mailing list there?

 Sure. I just want to make sure there aren't too many forms of
 primary communication. How about a quick vote?

 1. Continue to use existing AOL listserv
 2. Start up SF listserv and shut down AOL listserv

 Please let me know. Thanks!

 - n





Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Jim Wilcoxson
For the folks who do not like the SF email on the regular AS
discussion list, shutting down the regular list and making it SF-only
would be exactly the wrong thing to do.

Personally, I wouldn't mind getting a SF email summary once per week
on this list, or even better, a web link to a summary page where I
could see everything that has changed in the last week.  I might look
at that once a week, to see if there is anything interesting.

The SF mailing list format is not very conducive to informal, personal
discussions about a subject, IMO, because of all the formatting and
everything.  I realize it is a very *complete* format, but that
doesn't mean it encourages people to participate in an easy way via
email.  It is much less personal, to me. (But, I have to thank Dossy
for getting them to at least list the responses in an order that makes
sense.  I use elm, so trying to get to the bottom of these SF emails
every time was a real pain.  I just started deleting them.)

What would be cool is if the SF email contained a response link that
went to a web page showing the last comment, a box for me to put in a
new comment, and automagically signed me in.  Click, type, submit.
That I'd probably use.  Maybe I am just dumb with SF and this is
possible, but when I go there, I get lost.

Jim


 I don't think anyone was suggested shutting down the AOLserver
 discussion list, just creating a new list where SF bug, feature and
 patch notifications would go, so those who really wanted to see them can
 get them .

 Personally I don't think we want to disrupt the current AOLserver
 discussion list. We might lose some lurkers who aren't going to bother
 signing up on the new list, and that would be a mistake at this point.

 /s.



  -Original Message-
  From: AOLserver Discussion
  [mailto:AOLSERVER;LISTSERV.AOL.COM] On Behalf Of Nathan Folkman
  Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:37 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail
 
 
  On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 08:57 AM, Peter M. Jansson wrote:
 
   This is a really good idea.
  
   I notice that the SF project for AOLserver has mailing lists turned
   off -- can we get it turned on and set up a mailing list there?
 
  Sure. I just want to make sure there aren't too many forms of
  primary communication. How about a quick vote?
 
  1. Continue to use existing AOL listserv
  2. Start up SF listserv and shut down AOL listserv
 
  Please let me know. Thanks!
 
  - n
 
 




Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Jim Wilcoxson
Has anyone ever though about using BBS software, like UBB or vBulletin?
It's more like a community.  SF is a development environment.

Jim


 On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 10:51 AM, Scott S. Goodwin wrote:

  I don't think anyone was suggested shutting down the AOLserver
  discussion list, just creating a new list where SF bug, feature and
  patch notifications would go, so those who really wanted to see them
  can
  get them .
 
  Personally I don't think we want to disrupt the current AOLserver
  discussion list. We might lose some lurkers who aren't going to bother
  signing up on the new list, and that would be a mistake at this point.
 
  /s.

 Don't worry, I'm not going to shut down anything. Just trying to better
 understand what changes can be made to help better serve the community.
 I'd be more then happy to set up additional lists.

 Reading all the posts this morning makes me think that we need some
 better ways for everyone to communicate. Would be pretty easy for us to
 set up some simple polls where everyone could vote on different
 options. Think this might make it easier to come to a consensus. What
 does everyone else think?

 - n




Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Peter M. Jansson
On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 11:05 AM, Jim Wilcoxson wrote:


Has anyone ever though about using BBS software, like UBB or vBulletin?
It's more like a community.  SF is a development environment.


SF has forums like those, and (once you've bookmarked them) they work just
about the same way.  I think Nathan is right, though, and too many forums
would not be good (unless one forum could be read by email, NNTP, or web
bboard interface -- there are versions of these).  As it is, those of us
who don't check the OpenACS and OpenNSD forums regularly miss stuff, so I'
d prefer not to throw another forum into the mix -- but that's just me.

Pete.



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Janine Sisk
#3 makes the most sense to me, too.

janine

On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 11:04 AM, Peter M. Jansson wrote:


On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 10:37 AM, Nathan Folkman wrote:

1. Continue to use existing AOL listserv
2. Start up SF listserv and shut down AOL listserv



3. Keep using the AOL listserv for most discussion, and use the SF
listserv for just tracker announcements.


--
Janine Sisk
President/CEO
furfly.net, LLC
Mont Vernon, NH
Phone: 603-672-1122



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Tom Jackson
Janine Sisk wrote:

 #3 makes the most sense to me, too.


There is something about the SF email I don't like. I hope everyone
decides to keep using the AOL forum.

--Tom Jackson



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Dave Siktberg
This option sounds best to me.  The AOLserver listserv works just fine for
me and I find it incredibly valuable.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
(Bert Lance)  I have figured a way to quickly scan SF messages and assess
their relevance, but their formatting of responses _is_ a pain to digest if
I decide to look further.  That _is_ somewhat broke.

Dave Siktberg
Webility Corporation

 3. Keep using the AOL listserv for most discussion, and use the SF
 listserv for just tracker announcements.



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Dossy
On 2002.10.22, Scott S. Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't think anyone was suggested shutting down the AOLserver
 discussion list, just creating a new list where SF bug, feature and
 patch notifications would go, so those who really wanted to see them can
 get them .

 Personally I don't think we want to disrupt the current AOLserver
 discussion list. We might lose some lurkers who aren't going to bother
 signing up on the new list, and that would be a mistake at this point.

Thanks.  You took the words right out of my mouth.

Leave general discussion on LISTSERV where it's already well
established.  Use SF to manage all of SF's activities.  It makes
a lot of sense.

-- Dossy

--
Dossy Shiobara   mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/
  He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own
folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Dossy
On 2002.10.22, Jim Wilcoxson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What would be cool is if the SF email contained a response link that
 went to a web page

It already does this.  It's the third line in the email:

Support Requests item #626122, was opened at 2002-10-20 19:25
You can respond by visiting:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=203152aid=626122group_id=3152

 showing the last comment,

OK, you'll have to scroll down past the initial ticket text to get to
the most recent comment.

 a box for me to put in a new comment,

It's there.

 and automagically signed me in.

They previously didn't do auto-login via cookies.  They've since
changed that by adding a remember me option at the login.  Go
here:

http://sourceforge.net/account/login.php

Make sure that the two options are checked, Stay in SSL mode after
login and Remember Me.  It's the Remember Me option that's
recently been added.  (I'm sure that feature was high on people's
wishlists for SF.)

 That I'd probably use.

So, start using it.  ;-)

 Maybe I am just dumb with SF and this is possible, but when I go
 there, I get lost.

How do you get lost?  What's the use case or scenario that you're trying
to follow that gets you lost?  Perhaps you should log a bug or feature
request against SF itself.

-- Dossy

--
Dossy Shiobara   mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/
  He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own
folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Dossy
On 2002.10.22, Jim Wilcoxson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Has anyone ever though about using BBS software, like UBB or vBulletin?
 It's more like a community.  SF is a development environment.

I strongly urge that we don't consider web-only community software.

Yahoo! Groups meets in the middle, offering email-based interaction
along with a featureful web interface.

-- Dossy

--
Dossy Shiobara   mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/
  He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own
folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Dossy
On 2002.10.22, Nathan Folkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 11:04 AM, Peter M. Jansson wrote:

 
 3. Keep using the AOL listserv for most discussion, and use the SF
 listserv for just tracker announcements.

 this is something that would be very easy to do. anyone else agree with
 this option. what new lists would you want?

One for each tracker.

-- Dossy

--
Dossy Shiobara   mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/
  He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own
folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Dossy
On 2002.10.22, Peter M. Jansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [...] As it is, those of us who don't check the OpenACS and OpenNSD
 forums regularly miss stuff, [...]

Speaking of which, has anyone checked OpenNSD at all, lately?  It seems
completely defunct.  Going to http://www.opennsd.org/ is a URL redirect
to http://www.namecheap.com/dom.asp?d=opennsd.org ... what's up?

-- Dossy

--
Dossy Shiobara   mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/
  He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own
folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread David Walker
I liked everything the way it was.

On Tuesday 22 October 2002 04:03 pm, (Via wrote:
 On 2002.10.22, Nathan Folkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Don't worry, I'm not going to shut down anything. Just trying to better
  understand what changes can be made to help better serve the community.
  I'd be more then happy to set up additional lists.

 My gripe with using the AOL-managed LISTSERV for community-focused
 things is the lack of community control of the assets.  If we use SF
 mailing lists, then the community can help manage those assets.

 This of course raises the question of then why leave the discussion on
 the AOL-managed LISTSERV ... my only answer is, because for
 discussion, SF mailing lists aren't as nice.

 I'd be interested in moving the discussion list to a Yahoo! Group, as
 their features are quite nice -- the web interface is really good, being
 able to post files and set up polls, etc.

  Reading all the posts this morning makes me think that we need some
  better ways for everyone to communicate. Would be pretty easy for us to
  set up some simple polls where everyone could vote on different
  options. Think this might make it easier to come to a consensus. What
  does everyone else think?

 I think an Ousterhoutian poll is sufficient here.  Looks like there's
 enough yay votes (compared to the nay votes) to justify moving the
 SourceForge tracker mail OFF the general discussion list.  The question
 is where to move it to, and I definitely vote for a series of SF mailing
 lists.

 -- Dossy



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Dossy
On 2002.10.22, David Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I liked everything the way it was.

You liked having the SourceForge tracker messages going to
the same mailing list that the rest of the discussion was
going to?

I personally don't mind it either: my MUA (Mutt) is studly,
and through mutt filtering and procmail filtering kung-fu, I
process about 3000 emails a month (that I read -- I receive
about 7000 a month, 4000 of which I mostly file away and
eventually delete).  Without this extraordinary setup, I don't
think I could possibly manage the volume ...

However, in consideration for other people who are far less
masterful in their mail kungfu, I'm perfectly happy splitting
the SF tracker messages to their own dedicated mailing lists.
I'll route them to the same places they go now, so it's
transparent to me, anyway ...

However, I'm curious to hear your reasons for liking things
the way they currently are.

-- Dossy

--
Dossy Shiobara   mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/
  He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own
folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread No Name
For better or worse the current AOLserver listserv, in my opinion, has been one the 
most successful forums for communication that we've tried thus far. That said, it 
wouldn't make much sense to disrupt the status quo.

We went ahead and created a new listserv to siphon off some of the Source Forge 
specific feedback - aolserver-sf (see Shaz's previous post). Suggest we give that a 
try and see if it meets the community's needs. We can always create additional lists 
if necessary.

- n



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Dossy
On 2002.10.22, No Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nathan, you botched your subscription to the new list and probably used
* instead of putting firstname/lastname.  One of the downfalls of
LISTSERV is that it tends to change that across all the lists you're
on.  ;-)

-- Dossy

--
Dossy Shiobara   mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/
  He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own
folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Peter M. Jansson
On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 05:08 PM, David Walker wrote:


I liked everything the way it was.


While I didn't mind getting the SF tracker messages on the mailing list, I
winced when folks replied to the list, rather than to the tracker, only
because I knew that meant the person who initiated the request through the
tracker wasn't necessarily going to see the response.  Splitting those
messages off into another list that doesn't accept replies is a good thing,
 I think.



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Scott S. Goodwin
 One for each tracker.

 -- Dossy

I'd say let's keep one list for ALL tracker stuff. I don't think the
traffic is high enough for it to be split into multiple lists, so I
don't think there's a need for the added complexity of multiple tracker
mailing lists at this point.

/s.



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread David Walker
I'm OK with the 2 list format also.

The subjects of the tracker messages are not significantly different from the
subjects of the list messages.  Too much separation and the sourceforge
interface will grow stagnant and important information or questions posted
there by people not on the list or new to aolserver or whatever will just be
ignored.


On Tuesday 22 October 2002 04:18 pm, (Via wrote:
 On 2002.10.22, David Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I liked everything the way it was.

 You liked having the SourceForge tracker messages going to
 the same mailing list that the rest of the discussion was
 going to?

 I personally don't mind it either: my MUA (Mutt) is studly,
 and through mutt filtering and procmail filtering kung-fu, I
 process about 3000 emails a month (that I read -- I receive
 about 7000 a month, 4000 of which I mostly file away and
 eventually delete).  Without this extraordinary setup, I don't
 think I could possibly manage the volume ...

 However, in consideration for other people who are far less
 masterful in their mail kungfu, I'm perfectly happy splitting
 the SF tracker messages to their own dedicated mailing lists.
 I'll route them to the same places they go now, so it's
 transparent to me, anyway ...

 However, I'm curious to hear your reasons for liking things
 the way they currently are.

 -- Dossy



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Patrick Spence
- Original Message -
From: Dossy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail


 On 2002.10.22, Nathan Folkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Don't worry, I'm not going to shut down anything. Just trying to better
  understand what changes can be made to help better serve the community.
  I'd be more then happy to set up additional lists.

 My gripe with using the AOL-managed LISTSERV for community-focused
 things is the lack of community control of the assets.  If we use SF
 mailing lists, then the community can help manage those assets.

 This of course raises the question of then why leave the discussion on
 the AOL-managed LISTSERV ... my only answer is, because for
 discussion, SF mailing lists aren't as nice.

 I'd be interested in moving the discussion list to a Yahoo! Group, as
 their features are quite nice -- the web interface is really good, being
 able to post files and set up polls, etc.

Yahoogroups emails also trigger lots of anti-spam stuff.. as well as being
chock full of advertising.. sometimes 4+ inch tall graphics before each
message...



[AOLSERVER] OpenNSD Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-22 Thread Andrew Piskorski
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 05:11:46PM -0400, Dossy wrote:
 On 2002.10.22, Peter M. Jansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  [...] As it is, those of us who don't check the OpenACS and OpenNSD
  forums regularly miss stuff, [...]

 Speaking of which, has anyone checked OpenNSD at all, lately?  It seems
 completely defunct.  Going to http://www.opennsd.org/ is a URL redirect
 to http://www.namecheap.com/dom.asp?d=opennsd.org ... what's up?

I think someone forgot to re-register the name, and opennsd.org
morphed into a redirect to a porn sight for a while...  More details
here:

  http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0006Dk

From that thead, the old opennsd.org site is currently available at:
  http://208.184.248.79/

And FurFly has registered http://www.open-nsd.org/;, but there's
nothing actually there yet.  I'm rather fond of Talli's advocacy
comment:

  It's not just a porn site, but a multi-threaded porn site with an
  embedded tcl interpreter and native db api.  See how easy it is to
  sell this stuff?

;)

--
Andrew Piskorski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.piskorski.com



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-21 Thread Patrick Spence
*cough* should be on their own list *cough*

--
  Patrick Spence arivenATarivenDOTcom
  www.RandomRamblings.com
  www.Ariven.com

- Original Message -
From: Dossy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:03 AM
Subject: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail


 All,

 Please do not respond to SourceForge-generated mail to the mailing
 list.  It is not a bidirectional interface.  Your responses will not
 be seen by the participants of the ticket.

 If you'd like to respond, please go to
 http://sf.net/tracker/index.php?group=3152 and respond directly to
 the ticket via the web interface.

 Thanks,

 -- Dossy

 --
 Dossy Shiobara   mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/
   He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own
 folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-21 Thread Jim Wilcoxson
Yeah, I agree.  Get a flood of these is not much fun.

I apologize for not posting on SF.  I did go there, couldn't figure
out what the hell to do (even though I know I am registered there),
probably couldn't remember the password I registered with anyway, so I
punted and just replied to the email.  I realize this is lame on my
part - sorry.

Jim

 *cough* should be on their own list *cough*

 --
   Patrick Spence arivenATarivenDOTcom
   www.RandomRamblings.com
   www.Ariven.com

 - Original Message -
 From: Dossy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:03 AM
 Subject: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail


  All,
 
  Please do not respond to SourceForge-generated mail to the mailing
  list.  It is not a bidirectional interface.  Your responses will not
  be seen by the participants of the ticket.
 
  If you'd like to respond, please go to
  http://sf.net/tracker/index.php?group=3152 and respond directly to
  the ticket via the web interface.
 
  Thanks,
 
  -- Dossy
 
  --
  Dossy Shiobara   mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/
He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own
  folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)




Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-21 Thread Dossy
On 2002.10.21, Patrick Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 *cough* should be on their own list *cough*

Maybe.  Although, who'd bother signing up to that list?

It's good that people who might not normally participate in
answering SF questions see the questions and can contribute
if they choose to.  If I have to post people's responses
directly to SF, that might be the best way of handling it.

-- Dossy

--
Dossy Shiobara   mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/
  He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own
folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)



Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-21 Thread Patrick Spence
- Original Message -
From: Dossy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail


 On 2002.10.21, Patrick Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  *cough* should be on their own list *cough*

 Maybe.  Although, who'd bother signing up to that list?

Those interested in seeing the questions and helping with them.  Say the
various project leaders of the various modules...

 It's good that people who might not normally participate in
 answering SF questions see the questions and can contribute
 if they choose to.  If I have to post people's responses
 directly to SF, that might be the best way of handling it.

Its also bad because it takes up list bandwidth for messages that can't be
replied to and are in a format that is hard to read...  especially when you
realise that I am probably not the only person here who killfiles them. :)
(thus proving they ARE a waste of bandwidth since -someone- deletes them out
of hand)


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail

2002-10-21 Thread Scott Goodwin
The bugs, features, patches tracking email notifications could be sent to
a separate list, handled the same way the AOLserver discussion list is. I
just checked the SF admin page for the bug tracker, and the email address
that the notices are being sent to is the AOLserver discussion group (ok,
duh).

If someone knows how to create a new listserv mailing list, say
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]', we can direct all of the bugs, features,
patches traffic to that list, and you'd need to sign up there to see them
via email. Failing that, we could set up a Yahoo or other group to direct
it to. I'd prefer it be handled the same way the discussion list is,
though. There are probably other ways of doing it that might be even
better.

/s.


On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:41:01 -0700, Patrick Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 - Original Message -
 From: Dossy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 5:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Responding to SourceForge-generated mail


  On 2002.10.21, Patrick Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   *cough* should be on their own list *cough*
 
  Maybe.  Although, who'd bother signing up to that list?

 Those interested in seeing the questions and helping with them.  Say the
 various project leaders of the various modules...

  It's good that people who might not normally participate in
  answering SF questions see the questions and can contribute
  if they choose to.  If I have to post people's responses
  directly to SF, that might be the best way of handling it.

 Its also bad because it takes up list bandwidth for messages that can't
 be
 replied to and are in a format that is hard to read...  especially when
 you
 realise that I am probably not the only person here who killfiles them.
 :)
 (thus proving they ARE a waste of bandwidth since -someone- deletes them
 out
 of hand)


 --
   Patrick Spence arivenATarivenDOTcom
   www.RandomRamblings.com
   www.Ariven.com


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