date:20131010

Morning, Afternoon and Evening all,

I was wondering what would be the smallest foot print to run ITSM 8.1 
(including a database).

This would just be for playing and simple development.

Thanks,

Howard

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Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

What version are you using?  I think sync cache has matured a bit since it
was first introduced.  On 8.0 I am constantly using it to see form and AL
updates.

One trick is you need to either clear your browser cache or force a cache
refresh by using CTRL + F5.  Also in the past I have noticed some issues
where changed objects being displayed via an inline panel are not easily
refreshed.  In that case I keep the form itself open in a tab and force the
cache refresh on the form itself before trying it inline.

Jason


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
OPERATIONS lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:

 I agree, I tried using the Sync Cache feature and it's good for forms
 and fields, but not for workflow.  I waited and waited for my workflow
 (active links) to refresh and after about 20 minutes, I just flushed the
 entire cache and only then did I see my new workflow kick off.

 -Original Message-
 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
 [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:04 PM
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 Subject: RFE: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 **

 Currently the flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache is limited to either
 flushing the entire cache (HUGE performance hit) or using the new Sync
 Cache feature (relatively less of a performance hit).



 It would be nice if there was another layer of control over what a
 developer or a Mid-Tier administrator would have liked to flush. And
 that is the ability to flush an individual object - Just the Form, or
 just one Active Link, or just one Form Menu, etc. or a selected list of
 these.



 The Sync Cache feature already having been built, whose functionality I
 was a little confused over because it still takes a ton of time to
 happen, I would not think going one layer deeper would be that much more
 difficult, and flush just selected objects.



 This could be implemented both on the Mid-Tier configuration application



 OR



 Even better on the Developer Studio itself. The Developer Studio can
 already store information of various Mid-Tier servers associated with
 various AR Servers from various environments such as Development, Test,
 QA, Staging, Production etc. in its Mid-Tier servers Information. It
 already has the ability to view a form through a browser utility. In
 version 8 it has even gone a step further to model permissions you want
 to view the form with. Below is a screen shot of a limited version of
 this functionality in 7.6.04..







 It would be nice to be able to right click on a newly created menu, and
 perform a Cache on Selected Mid-Tier Server and offer the developer a
 choice of valid servers associated with that environment that he would
 like to flush the cache without leaving the Developer Studio and choose
 single objects or a finite list of objects to flush instead of having
 the Sync cache flush all the recently developed objects, which may not
 be what he wants to do.



 In my opinion this would be less time consuming that even the Sync
 feature, and will give the developer a better control on what they are
 ready to publish as finished code to the user.



 I would like to know what you'll think of this one too.



 I have yet another couple of ideas I spoke to engineering about that I
 was asked to post on here so it could be run by the community.



 Please visit the community area to vote on this one
 https://communities.bmc.com/ideas/3588  if you like it at
 https://communities.bmc.com/ideas/3588.



 Cheers



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Re: Error on startup: Malformed \uxxxx encoding RESOLVED

2013-10-10 Thread Thad Esser

Good grief.  That was it.  I had a \u in my Plugin-Log-File:  name.  The
only other \u I have in ar.cfg is for AREA:
AREA-LDAP-User-Filter: cn=$\USER$

Which doesn't seem to be causing a problem.  I'm guessing because the U is
capitalized.

I'd say that was the mother of all red herrings.  :-)

Thanks for the help,
Thad


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Hullule, Kiran kiran_hull...@bmc.comwrote:

 If you have any log file with \u in it configured in ar.cfg/ar.conf you
 will see this error. I have seen this problem in past and reported to BMC
 engineering.

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 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Mike Steiner
 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:53 PM
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
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 I'm on a Windows 2012 server.
 Yes even though SQL Logging is turned off it was still causing the issue.
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Re: RFE: A Countdown / Timer / Stopwatch type field...

That was my first thought as well.  Using Javascript it is a bit difficult
to take a workflow action when the time is up though.  Not impossible, just
outside the normal Remedy realm.  Joe's Idea would bring this back into a
pure Remedy realm.

Sylvain YVON has posted some great documentation around making Javascript
with with Remedy workflow; including how to call an AL Guide via Javascript.

Enhancing MT user experience with JavaScript; Part
1https://communities.bmc.com/docs/DOC-21816
Enhancing MT user experience with JavaScript; Part
2https://communities.bmc.com/docs/DOC-21818

Jason


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:17 AM, Jim Bruce jimjbr...@yahoo.ca wrote:

 Hi Joe, you can also implement this with a small bit of Javascript code
 ... added to a View Field should do the trick,
 or to target a display only field change the reference of idCountdown to
 your arid field (eg. arid888000111).

 html
 body
 span id=idCountdown/span
 /body

 script type=text/javascript
 // Countdown from a set number of seconds (eg. 300)
 // OR set future date to countdown from (eg. end of epoch time)

 // *** INSTRUCTIONS *** uncomment either of the next two lines
 var target = new Date().getTime() + (300 * 1000);
 //var target = new Date(Jan 19, 2038).getTime();

 // time vars
 var dd, hh, mm, ss;

 // function to update countdown every second
 setInterval(function () {
   // seconds from now until target
   var now = new Date().getTime();
   var seconds = (target - now) / 1000;

   // parse seconds into time vars
   dd = parseInt(seconds / 86400);   seconds = seconds % 86400;
   hh = parseInt(seconds / 3600);   seconds = seconds % 3600;
   mm = parseInt(seconds / 60);
   ss = parseInt(seconds % 60);

   // find and set id=countdown in document
   document.getElementById(idCountdown).innerHTML = dd + 'd ' + hh + 'h '
 + mm + 'm ' + ss + 's';

   // indicate when countdown has completed
   if (ss0) {
   document.getElementById(idCountdown).style.color = 'red';
   }
 }, 1000);
 /script
 /html

 Hope this helps.
 -Jim


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Incident Console Issue

2013-10-10 Thread Lokesh Jayaraman

Hi All,

I am having issue with Incident Management console while opening an
incident ticket from the incident console table.

When i double click on the incident from the table, i am getting No
matches found but in the backend form HPD:CFG:IncidentWatchlist all the
records are available.

Environment is 7.6.04 No patch for ITSM hosted in Windows server.

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Re: Smallest foot print to run ITSM 8.1?

2013-10-10 Thread Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS

I usually give my VMs a 40gb C and a 40gb D drive for apps.  I have one VM
that has ITSM 8.1 that was upgraded from ITSM 7.6.  It has a copy of our
older test database with 10 of thousands of CIs and about 7 snapshots the
way and it is taking up 95gb total.  If I deleted the snapshots the whole
thing would probably shrink about about 40 or 50gb.  40 to 50gb seems to be
about my average VM size.  If you were very conservative, not using
snapshots, etc. with just ITSM and minimal data you probably could get away
with only needing 20gb to 30gb.

Jason


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howard.rich...@coxinc.com wrote:

 **

 Morning, Afternoon and Evening all,

 ** **

 I was wondering what would be the smallest foot print to run ITSM 8.1
 (including a database).

 ** **

 This would just be for playing and simple development.

 ** **

 Thanks,

 ** **

 Howard

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Re: Smallest foot print to run ITSM 8.1?

2013-10-10 Thread Differ, Alfred W CTR PHD NSWC, 210

We use two logical drives putting the OS on one and everything else on the 
other. The 'other' drive on the app server is about 30 GB. The one on the DB 
server is about the same. Be conservative with snapshots if you go this small.

8GB RAM and 4 cores appears to be the minimum if you try to shoehorn the 
mid-tier and app-tier onto the same machine, but you probably won't like how 
things slow to a crawl when you pull up parts of ITSM. I haven't tried being 
real careful about what loads in the caches yet, though. 

-al

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Subject: Smallest foot print to run ITSM 8.1?

** 

Morning, Afternoon and Evening all,

 

I was wondering what would be the smallest foot print to run ITSM 8.1 
(including a database).

 

This would just be for playing and simple development.

 

Thanks,

 

Howard

 

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Deployable Applications

I created a deployable application so I can create an application
heading on the Customizable Home Page.  Problem is you can only create a
Deployable application in Base Mode.

 

Like a good girl, I created a Custom form (and workflow) in best
practice mode, but now I cannot add my form to the Deployable
application.  I only want to use this application so I can get a link on
the Customizable Home Page (well an Application Heading and then links
underneath it.)

 

I know I have to create Active Link Guides to create the entry points
and I have them created, but how can I create a deployable app if they
don't allow it in Best Practice?  I ended up creating it on Base Mode,
but it will not allow me to add any forms (Custom Forms in Best
Practice) to it.  They don't even come up.

 

Lisa

 

 

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Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

2013-10-10 Thread Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS

We are on 7.6.04 sp2.  I'll keep playing with it and see if I can get it
to work for me.  I'll try clearing the browser cache, etc.  

Lisa

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Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:41 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

** 
What version are you using?  I think sync cache has matured a bit since
it was first introduced.  On 8.0 I am constantly using it to see form
and AL updates.

One trick is you need to either clear your browser cache or force a
cache refresh by using CTRL + F5.  Also in the past I have noticed some
issues where changed objects being displayed via an inline panel are not
easily refreshed.  In that case I keep the form itself open in a tab and
force the cache refresh on the form itself before trying it inline.

Jason

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
OPERATIONS lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:

I agree, I tried using the Sync Cache feature and it's good for
forms
and fields, but not for workflow.  I waited and waited for my
workflow
(active links) to refresh and after about 20 minutes, I just
flushed the
entire cache and only then did I see my new workflow kick off.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:04 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: RFE: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier
Cache

**

Currently the flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache is limited
to either
flushing the entire cache (HUGE performance hit) or using the
new Sync
Cache feature (relatively less of a performance hit).

It would be nice if there was another layer of control over what
a
developer or a Mid-Tier administrator would have liked to flush.
And
that is the ability to flush an individual object - Just the
Form, or
just one Active Link, or just one Form Menu, etc. or a selected
list of
these.

The Sync Cache feature already having been built, whose
functionality I
was a little confused over because it still takes a ton of time
to
happen, I would not think going one layer deeper would be that
much more
difficult, and flush just selected objects.

This could be implemented both on the Mid-Tier configuration
application

OR

Even better on the Developer Studio itself. The Developer Studio
can
already store information of various Mid-Tier servers associated
with
various AR Servers from various environments such as
Development, Test,
QA, Staging, Production etc. in its Mid-Tier servers
Information. It
already has the ability to view a form through a browser
utility. In
version 8 it has even gone a step further to model permissions
you want
to view the form with. Below is a screen shot of a limited
version of
this functionality in 7.6.04..

It would be nice to be able to right click on a newly created
menu, and
perform a Cache on Selected Mid-Tier Server and offer the
developer a
choice of valid servers associated with that environment that he
would
like to flush the cache without leaving the Developer Studio and
choose
single objects or a finite list of objects to flush instead of
having
the Sync cache flush all the recently developed objects, which
may not
be what he wants to do.

In my opinion this would be less time consuming that even the
Sync
feature, and will give the developer a better control on what
they are
ready to publish as finished code to the user.

I would like to know what you'll think of this one too.

I have yet another couple of ideas I spoke to engineering about
that I
was asked to post on here so it could be run by the community.

Please visit the community area to vote on this one
https://communities.bmc.com/ideas/3588  if you like it at
https://communities.bmc.com/ideas/3588.

Cheers

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Re: Smallest foot print to run ITSM 8.1?

2013-10-10 Thread Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS

Al,

Thanks

I had a feeling I need to look at 12 to 16 gig and 4 processors.

HBR

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Differ, Alfred W CTR PHD NSWC, 210
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:25 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: [arslist] Smallest foot print to run ITSM 8.1?

We use two logical drives putting the OS on one and everything else on the 
other. The 'other' drive on the app server is about 30 GB. The one on the DB 
server is about the same. Be conservative with snapshots if you go this small.

8GB RAM and 4 cores appears to be the minimum if you try to shoehorn the 
mid-tier and app-tier onto the same machine, but you probably won't like how 
things slow to a crawl when you pull up parts of ITSM. I haven't tried being 
real careful about what loads in the caches yet, though. 

-al

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Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:27 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Smallest foot print to run ITSM 8.1?

** 

Morning, Afternoon and Evening all,

 

I was wondering what would be the smallest foot print to run ITSM 8.1 
(including a database).

 

This would just be for playing and simple development.

 

Thanks,

 

Howard

 

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Re: Incident Console Issue

Did you change anything about the table query on the back end?

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lokesh Jayaraman
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:39 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Incident Console Issue

** 
Hi All,

I am having issue with Incident Management console while opening an
incident ticket from the incident console table. 

When i double click on the incident from the table, i am getting No
matches found but in the backend form HPD:CFG:IncidentWatchlist all
the records are available.

Environment is 7.6.04 No patch for ITSM hosted in Windows server.  

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Re: RFE: A Countdown / Timer / Stopwatch type field...

Yeah I know this is possible through embedding a javascript, but like you
stated tweaking existing time fields to exhibit that behavior would mean you
bring it into the Remedy realm. I  have worked at a few sites where if you
were to use custom java code or code borrowed from the internet - they go
absolutely not. Its not OTB so you are not allowed. They attribute their
rigid approach to company policies to keep things OTB as much as possible to
lower costs of maintenance of their applications. Its not very uncommon. So
it gets hard to sneak foreign stuff under the covers. I  have even worked at
some companies that even denied me creating my own DB views of certain
things to show up as custom view forms.. Leave alone using external java
code..

 

Joe

 

  _  

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:49 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: RFE: A Countdown / Timer / Stopwatch type field...

 

** 

That was my first thought as well.  Using Javascript it is a bit difficult
to take a workflow action when the time is up though.  Not impossible, just
outside the normal Remedy realm.  Joe's Idea would bring this back into a
pure Remedy realm.

 

Sylvain YVON has posted some great documentation around making Javascript
with with Remedy workflow; including how to call an AL Guide via Javascript.

 

Enhancing MT user https://communities.bmc.com/docs/DOC-21816  experience
with JavaScript; Part 1

Enhancing MT user https://communities.bmc.com/docs/DOC-21818  experience
with JavaScript; Part 2

 

Jason

 

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:17 AM, Jim Bruce jimjbr...@yahoo.ca wrote:

Hi Joe, you can also implement this with a small bit of Javascript code ...
added to a View Field should do the trick,
or to target a display only field change the reference of idCountdown to
your arid field (eg. arid888000111).

html
body
span id=idCountdown/span
/body

script type=text/javascript
// Countdown from a set number of seconds (eg. 300)
// OR set future date to countdown from (eg. end of epoch time)

// *** INSTRUCTIONS *** uncomment either of the next two lines
var target = new Date().getTime() + (300 * 1000);
//var target = new Date(Jan 19, 2038).getTime();

// time vars
var dd, hh, mm, ss;

// function to update countdown every second
setInterval(function () {
  // seconds from now until target
  var now = new Date().getTime();
  var seconds = (target - now) / 1000;

  // parse seconds into time vars
  dd = parseInt(seconds / 86400);   seconds = seconds % 86400;
  hh = parseInt(seconds / 3600);   seconds = seconds % 3600;
  mm = parseInt(seconds / 60);
  ss = parseInt(seconds % 60);

  // find and set id=countdown in document
  document.getElementById(idCountdown).innerHTML = dd + 'd ' + hh + 'h ' +
mm + 'm ' + ss + 's';

  // indicate when countdown has completed
  if (ss0) {
  document.getElementById(idCountdown).style.color = 'red';
  }
}, 1000);
/script
/html

Hope this helps.
-Jim


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Re: Deployable Applications

2013-10-10 Thread Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS

Lisa,
Are you on 7.6.04?...I ask because I believe that 8.x has fixed this
particular problem.


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
OPERATIONS lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:

 **

 I created a deployable application so I can create an application heading
 on the Customizable Home Page.  Problem is you can only create a Deployable
 application in Base Mode.

 ** **

 Like a good girl, I created a Custom form (and workflow) in best practice
 mode, but now I cannot add my form to the Deployable application.  I only
 want to use this application so I can get a link on the Customizable Home
 Page (well an Application Heading and then links underneath it.)

 ** **

 I know I have to create Active Link Guides to create the entry points and
 I have them created, but how can I create a deployable app if they don’t
 allow it in Best Practice?  I ended up creating it on Base Mode, but it
 will not allow me to add any forms (Custom Forms in Best Practice) to it.
 They don’t even come up.

 ** **

 Lisa

 ** **

 ** **

 Lisa Kemes

 Remedy Consultant

 Dev Technology Group

 DLA Office: (717) 770-6437

 Cell Phone: (717) 602-9460

 lisa.ke...@devtechnology.com

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Re: Deployable Applications

Yes, unfortunately.  7.6.04 sp2.  We are upgrading to 7.6.04 sp5 soon
and THEN 8.1 (sometime next year).

Bummer, so I think you are saying this is known and there's nothing I
can do about it.  :(  (except upgrade)


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of LJ LongWing
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:05 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Deployable Applications

** 
Lisa,
Are you on 7.6.04?...I ask because I believe that 8.x has fixed this
particular problem.


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
OPERATIONS lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:


** 

I created a deployable application so I can create an
application heading on the Customizable Home Page.  Problem is you can
only create a Deployable application in Base Mode.

 

Like a good girl, I created a Custom form (and workflow) in best
practice mode, but now I cannot add my form to the Deployable
application.  I only want to use this application so I can get a link on
the Customizable Home Page (well an Application Heading and then links
underneath it.)

 

I know I have to create Active Link Guides to create the entry
points and I have them created, but how can I create a deployable app if
they don't allow it in Best Practice?  I ended up creating it on Base
Mode, but it will not allow me to add any forms (Custom Forms in Best
Practice) to it.  They don't even come up.

 

Lisa

 

 

Lisa Kemes

Remedy Consultant

Dev Technology Group

DLA Office: (717) 770-6437 tel:%28717%29%20770-6437 

Cell Phone: (717) 602-9460 tel:%28717%29%20602-9460 

lisa.ke...@devtechnology.com

 

 

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Re: Deployable Applications

I don't have a 7.6.04 server to play with, so I'm not unfortunately able to
work on a workaroundbut I'm not entirely sure how to add custom objects
to base applications that can't be overlaid.


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
OPERATIONS lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:

 Yes, unfortunately.  7.6.04 sp2.  We are upgrading to 7.6.04 sp5 soon
 and THEN 8.1 (sometime next year).

 Bummer, so I think you are saying this is known and there's nothing I
 can do about it.  :(  (except upgrade)


 -Original Message-
 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
 [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of LJ LongWing
 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:05 PM
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 Subject: Re: Deployable Applications

 **
 Lisa,
 Are you on 7.6.04?...I ask because I believe that 8.x has fixed this
 particular problem.


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
 OPERATIONS lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:


 **

 I created a deployable application so I can create an
 application heading on the Customizable Home Page.  Problem is you can
 only create a Deployable application in Base Mode.



 Like a good girl, I created a Custom form (and workflow) in best
 practice mode, but now I cannot add my form to the Deployable
 application.  I only want to use this application so I can get a link on
 the Customizable Home Page (well an Application Heading and then links
 underneath it.)



 I know I have to create Active Link Guides to create the entry
 points and I have them created, but how can I create a deployable app if
 they don't allow it in Best Practice?  I ended up creating it on Base
 Mode, but it will not allow me to add any forms (Custom Forms in Best
 Practice) to it.  They don't even come up.



 Lisa





 Lisa Kemes

 Remedy Consultant

 Dev Technology Group

 DLA Office: (717) 770-6437 tel:%28717%29%20770-6437

 Cell Phone: (717) 602-9460 tel:%28717%29%20602-9460

 lisa.ke...@devtechnology.com





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Re: Deployable Applications

2013-10-10 Thread Saji Philip

Lisa,

We are on 7.6.04 sp2 and we were able to deploy a custom application.  Yes
we had to create the application in base mode, but we were able to attach
the custom form.

What exactly are you doing?
On Oct 10, 2013 11:56 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS 
lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:

 **

 I created a deployable application so I can create an application heading
 on the Customizable Home Page.  Problem is you can only create a Deployable
 application in Base Mode.

 ** **

 Like a good girl, I created a Custom form (and workflow) in best practice
 mode, but now I cannot add my form to the Deployable application.  I only
 want to use this application so I can get a link on the Customizable Home
 Page (well an Application Heading and then links underneath it.)

 ** **

 I know I have to create Active Link Guides to create the entry points and
 I have them created, but how can I create a deployable app if they don’t
 allow it in Best Practice?  I ended up creating it on Base Mode, but it
 will not allow me to add any forms (Custom Forms in Best Practice) to it.
 They don’t even come up.

 ** **

 Lisa

 ** **

 ** **

 Lisa Kemes

 Remedy Consultant

 Dev Technology Group

 DLA Office: (717) 770-6437

 Cell Phone: (717) 602-9460

 lisa.ke...@devtechnology.com

 ** **

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Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

2013-10-10 Thread Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS

Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I noticed
the time it takes to flush the entire cache is not that significantly more
than using the Sync Cache.

My reasoning why that must be as it is, is that it still takes the system a
little bit of time to figure out what has changed. Sure the searches for
this might be optimized, but it's still a search to identify what needs to
be flushed. Even if the search takes only a minute, its still a minute more.

I'm guessing it takes a little more than a minute to identify what's
changed. On an average I have noticed that a Sync Cache operation takes
anywhere around 5 minutes or upwards.

The benefit of telling the Mid-Tier what to cache upfront, eliminates the
need for the Mid-Tier to search what it needs to cache.

PLUS while stuff is still being developed, there's a chance you do not want
to cache everything you just developed as you are still RD'ing it. So as a
developer if I want to cache just a single object or a selected list of
objects but not the rest that are newly created, I think it would be a huge
win if I could have that.

I think the Flush Cache and / or the Sync Cache operations are more ideal
for end of development cycles or end of day operations. Not middle of the
day when you have a team of developers who didn't want the MT cache flushed
waiting on it to finish its work. The single object flush idea would be
ideal for middle of the day use where you do not impact other users or
developers..

Cheers

Joe

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
OPERATIONS
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:58 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

We are on 7.6.04 sp2.  I'll keep playing with it and see if I can get it
to work for me.  I'll try clearing the browser cache, etc.  

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:41 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

** 
What version are you using?  I think sync cache has matured a bit since
it was first introduced.  On 8.0 I am constantly using it to see form
and AL updates.

One trick is you need to either clear your browser cache or force a
cache refresh by using CTRL + F5.  Also in the past I have noticed some
issues where changed objects being displayed via an inline panel are not
easily refreshed.  In that case I keep the form itself open in a tab and
force the cache refresh on the form itself before trying it inline.

Jason


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
OPERATIONS lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:


I agree, I tried using the Sync Cache feature and it's good for
forms
and fields, but not for workflow.  I waited and waited for my
workflow
(active links) to refresh and after about 20 minutes, I just
flushed the
entire cache and only then did I see my new workflow kick off.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:04 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: RFE: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier
Cache

**

Currently the flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache is limited
to either
flushing the entire cache (HUGE performance hit) or using the
new Sync
Cache feature (relatively less of a performance hit).



It would be nice if there was another layer of control over what
a
developer or a Mid-Tier administrator would have liked to flush.
And
that is the ability to flush an individual object - Just the
Form, or
just one Active Link, or just one Form Menu, etc. or a selected
list of
these.



The Sync Cache feature already having been built, whose
functionality I
was a little confused over because it still takes a ton of time
to
happen, I would not think going one layer deeper would be that
much more
difficult, and flush just selected objects.



This could be implemented both on the Mid-Tier configuration
application



OR



Even better on the Developer Studio itself. The Developer Studio
can
already store information of various Mid-Tier servers associated
with
various AR Servers from various environments such as
Development, Test,
QA, Staging, Production etc. in its Mid-Tier servers
Information. It
already has the ability to view a form through a browser
utility. In
version 8 it has

Re: Error on startup: Malformed \uxxxx encoding RESOLVED

2013-10-10 Thread Grooms, Frederick W

Then the error message makes a kind of sense

\u  is the escape sequence used in Java to indicate a Unicode character

Fred

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Thad Esser
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:44 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Error on startup: Malformed \u encoding *RESOLVED*

** 
Good grief.  That was it.  I had a \u in my Plugin-Log-File:  name.  The only 
other \u I have in ar.cfg is for AREA:
AREA-LDAP-User-Filter: cn=$\USER$

Which doesn't seem to be causing a problem.  I'm guessing because the U is 
capitalized.

I'd say that was the mother of all red herrings.  :-)

Thanks for the help,
Thad


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Hullule, Kiran
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:29 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Error on startup: Malformed \u encoding

If you have any log file with \u in it configured in ar.cfg/ar.conf you will 
see this error. I have seen this problem in past and reported to BMC 
engineering.


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Mike Steiner
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:53 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Error on startup: Malformed \u encoding
I'm on a Windows 2012 server.
Yes even though SQL Logging is turned off it was still causing the issue. Seems 
odd but it worked for me.


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Thad Esser
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:23 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Error on startup: Malformed \u encoding

** 
Hello,

Has anyone seen this error in their arcarte-stderr--MM-DD.log file when 
starting AR Server?

-
Exception in thread main java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Malformed \u 
encoding.
at java.util.Properties.loadConvert(Properties.java:568)
at java.util.Properties.load0(Properties.java:391)
at java.util.Properties.load(Properties.java:341)
at org.pentaho.di.www.ARCarte.loadRAppPasswords(Unknown Source)
at org.pentaho.di.www.Carte.runCarte(Unknown Source)
at org.pentaho.di.www.Carte.main(Unknown Source)
-

After four tries, armonitor gives up trying to start it.  Google says its most 
likely that I need double slashes as part of a path in a java properties file 
somewhere.  Where would I look?  Or is that a red herring?

This is only happening in one environment; two others are fine.  I've compared 
settings between the three, but am obviously missing something.

ARS 8.1
OS:  Windows 2008 R2
DB: SQL Server

Thanks,
Thad

P.S.  BMC has already had me update the application password in 
UDM:RAppPassword.

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Re: Deployable Applications

2013-10-10 Thread Saji Philip

On the custom forms etc, convert them to base. And then you should be able
to attach the form.
On Oct 10, 2013 11:56 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS 
lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:

 **

 I created a deployable application so I can create an application heading
 on the Customizable Home Page.  Problem is you can only create a Deployable
 application in Base Mode.

 ** **

 Like a good girl, I created a Custom form (and workflow) in best practice
 mode, but now I cannot add my form to the Deployable application.  I only
 want to use this application so I can get a link on the Customizable Home
 Page (well an Application Heading and then links underneath it.)

 ** **

 I know I have to create Active Link Guides to create the entry points and
 I have them created, but how can I create a deployable app if they don’t
 allow it in Best Practice?  I ended up creating it on Base Mode, but it
 will not allow me to add any forms (Custom Forms in Best Practice) to it.
 They don’t even come up.

 ** **

 Lisa

 ** **

 ** **

 Lisa Kemes

 Remedy Consultant

 Dev Technology Group

 DLA Office: (717) 770-6437

 Cell Phone: (717) 602-9460

 lisa.ke...@devtechnology.com

 ** **

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Re: Deployable Applications

Let me ask you a question, did you create your custom form in Base Mode
or Best Practice?  If you created it in Base Mode, then you are able to
attach them to a Deployable Application, but if you created them in Best
Practice Mode, then the Deployable Application cannot see the forms.

What I can do is simply make my convert my Custom forms to base, but
then that defeats the whole purpose of developing everything to Best
Practice Mode.  sigh JUST when I started getting the hang of Best vs
Base.  

I'm assuming that's my only option for now

Lisa 

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Saji Philip
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:12 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Deployable Applications

** 

Lisa,

We are on 7.6.04 sp2 and we were able to deploy a custom application.
Yes we had to create the application in base mode, but we were able to
attach the custom form.

What exactly are you doing?

On Oct 10, 2013 11:56 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS
lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:


** 

I created a deployable application so I can create an
application heading on the Customizable Home Page.  Problem is you can
only create a Deployable application in Base Mode.

 

Like a good girl, I created a Custom form (and workflow) in best
practice mode, but now I cannot add my form to the Deployable
application.  I only want to use this application so I can get a link on
the Customizable Home Page (well an Application Heading and then links
underneath it.)

 

I know I have to create Active Link Guides to create the entry
points and I have them created, but how can I create a deployable app if
they don't allow it in Best Practice?  I ended up creating it on Base
Mode, but it will not allow me to add any forms (Custom Forms in Best
Practice) to it.  They don't even come up.

 

Lisa

 

 

Lisa Kemes

Remedy Consultant

Dev Technology Group

DLA Office: (717) 770-6437 tel:%28717%29%20770-6437 

Cell Phone: (717) 602-9460 tel:%28717%29%20602-9460 

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Re: Deployable Applications

2013-10-10 Thread Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS

Yeah, that's what I'm going to have to do, but that defeats the Always
develop in Best Practice rule.  But that's the only thing I can do at
this point (is convert to base).

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Saji Philip
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:19 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Deployable Applications

** 

On the custom forms etc, convert them to base. And then you should be
able to attach the form.

On Oct 10, 2013 11:56 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS
lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:


** 

I created a deployable application so I can create an
application heading on the Customizable Home Page.  Problem is you can
only create a Deployable application in Base Mode.

 

Like a good girl, I created a Custom form (and workflow) in best
practice mode, but now I cannot add my form to the Deployable
application.  I only want to use this application so I can get a link on
the Customizable Home Page (well an Application Heading and then links
underneath it.)

 

I know I have to create Active Link Guides to create the entry
points and I have them created, but how can I create a deployable app if
they don't allow it in Best Practice?  I ended up creating it on Base
Mode, but it will not allow me to add any forms (Custom Forms in Best
Practice) to it.  They don't even come up.

 

Lisa

 

 

Lisa Kemes

Remedy Consultant

Dev Technology Group

DLA Office: (717) 770-6437 tel:%28717%29%20770-6437 

Cell Phone: (717) 602-9460 tel:%28717%29%20602-9460 

lisa.ke...@devtechnology.com

 

 

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Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

I am not arguing the merits of the being able cache a single object or
maybe better yet a group of selected objects.  My experience with Sync
Cache is it is a sub 30 second process on AR 8.0 / MT 8.1.  In the last few
days I have repeatedly changed a form or AL, let it finish saving (AR
server cache mode is a factor here since the server cache needs to reflect
the object has changed), hit Sync Cache in IE, CTRL + F5 the form in
Firefox.  I allow minimal time between those steps.

Jason


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:

 Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I noticed
 the time it takes to flush the entire cache is not that significantly more
 than using the Sync Cache.

 My reasoning why that must be as it is, is that it still takes the system a
 little bit of time to figure out what has changed. Sure the searches for
 this might be optimized, but it's still a search to identify what needs to
 be flushed. Even if the search takes only a minute, its still a minute
 more.

 I'm guessing it takes a little more than a minute to identify what's
 changed. On an average I have noticed that a Sync Cache operation takes
 anywhere around 5 minutes or upwards.

 The benefit of telling the Mid-Tier what to cache upfront, eliminates the
 need for the Mid-Tier to search what it needs to cache.

 PLUS while stuff is still being developed, there's a chance you do not want
 to cache everything you just developed as you are still RD'ing it. So as a
 developer if I want to cache just a single object or a selected list of
 objects but not the rest that are newly created, I think it would be a huge
 win if I could have that.

 I think the Flush Cache and / or the Sync Cache operations are more ideal
 for end of development cycles or end of day operations. Not middle of the
 day when you have a team of developers who didn't want the MT cache flushed
 waiting on it to finish its work. The single object flush idea would be
 ideal for middle of the day use where you do not impact other users or
 developers..

 Cheers

 Joe

 -Original Message-
 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
 [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR
 INFORMATION
 OPERATIONS
 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:58 PM
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 We are on 7.6.04 sp2.  I'll keep playing with it and see if I can get it
 to work for me.  I'll try clearing the browser cache, etc.

 Lisa

 -Original Message-
 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
 [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:41 AM
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 **
 What version are you using?  I think sync cache has matured a bit since
 it was first introduced.  On 8.0 I am constantly using it to see form
 and AL updates.

 One trick is you need to either clear your browser cache or force a
 cache refresh by using CTRL + F5.  Also in the past I have noticed some
 issues where changed objects being displayed via an inline panel are not
 easily refreshed.  In that case I keep the form itself open in a tab and
 force the cache refresh on the form itself before trying it inline.

 Jason


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
 OPERATIONS lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:


 I agree, I tried using the Sync Cache feature and it's good for
 forms
 and fields, but not for workflow.  I waited and waited for my
 workflow
 (active links) to refresh and after about 20 minutes, I just
 flushed the
 entire cache and only then did I see my new workflow kick off.

 -Original Message-
 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
 [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:04 PM
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 Subject: RFE: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier
 Cache

 **

 Currently the flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache is limited
 to either
 flushing the entire cache (HUGE performance hit) or using the
 new Sync
 Cache feature (relatively less of a performance hit).



 It would be nice if there was another layer of control over what
 a
 developer or a Mid-Tier administrator would have liked to flush.
 And
 that is the ability to flush an individual object - Just the
 Form, or
 just one Active Link, or just one Form Menu, etc. or a selected
 list of
 these.



 The Sync Cache feature already having been built, whose
 functionality I
 was a little confused over because it still takes a ton of time
 to
 happen, I would not think going one layer deeper would be that
 much more
 difficult, and flush just selected objects.

Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

During RUG, I was told that a hotfix will be coming soon to address the 
flushing action of the mid-tier (base line on 7.6.4).

Just an FYI..

hbr

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:14 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: [arslist] Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I noticed the 
time it takes to flush the entire cache is not that significantly more than 
using the Sync Cache.

My reasoning why that must be as it is, is that it still takes the system a 
little bit of time to figure out what has changed. Sure the searches for this 
might be optimized, but it's still a search to identify what needs to be 
flushed. Even if the search takes only a minute, its still a minute more.

I'm guessing it takes a little more than a minute to identify what's changed. 
On an average I have noticed that a Sync Cache operation takes anywhere around 
5 minutes or upwards.

The benefit of telling the Mid-Tier what to cache upfront, eliminates the need 
for the Mid-Tier to search what it needs to cache.

PLUS while stuff is still being developed, there's a chance you do not want to 
cache everything you just developed as you are still RD'ing it. So as a 
developer if I want to cache just a single object or a selected list of objects 
but not the rest that are newly created, I think it would be a huge win if I 
could have that.

I think the Flush Cache and / or the Sync Cache operations are more ideal for 
end of development cycles or end of day operations. Not middle of the day when 
you have a team of developers who didn't want the MT cache flushed waiting on 
it to finish its work. The single object flush idea would be ideal for middle 
of the day use where you do not impact other users or developers..

Cheers

Joe

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION 
OPERATIONS
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:58 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

We are on 7.6.04 sp2.  I'll keep playing with it and see if I can get it to 
work for me.  I'll try clearing the browser cache, etc.  

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:41 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**
What version are you using?  I think sync cache has matured a bit since it was 
first introduced.  On 8.0 I am constantly using it to see form and AL updates.

One trick is you need to either clear your browser cache or force a cache 
refresh by using CTRL + F5.  Also in the past I have noticed some issues where 
changed objects being displayed via an inline panel are not easily refreshed.  
In that case I keep the form itself open in a tab and force the cache refresh 
on the form itself before trying it inline.

Jason


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS 
lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:


I agree, I tried using the Sync Cache feature and it's good for forms
and fields, but not for workflow.  I waited and waited for my workflow
(active links) to refresh and after about 20 minutes, I just flushed the
entire cache and only then did I see my new workflow kick off.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:04 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: RFE: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**

Currently the flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache is limited to either
flushing the entire cache (HUGE performance hit) or using the new Sync
Cache feature (relatively less of a performance hit).



It would be nice if there was another layer of control over what a
developer or a Mid-Tier administrator would have liked to flush.
And
that is the ability to flush an individual object - Just the Form, or
just one Active Link, or just one Form Menu, etc. or a selected list of
these.



The Sync Cache feature already having been built, whose functionality I
was a little confused over because it still takes a ton of time to
happen, I would not think going one layer deeper would be that much more
difficult, and flush just selected objects.



This could be implemented both on the Mid-Tier configuration application

Re: Smallest foot print to run ITSM 8.1?

2013-10-10 Thread Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS

16 gig is my new minimum spec of a machine.  Like Al noted it can work on 8
gig (that was my previous minimum) but it isn't a terribly pleasant
experience.  Once everything is up, caching is done, etc. the UI works ok.
 Just don't flush the cache.  And is that a realistic expectation if you
are doing dev work?

One other tip is if you have to limit the ram you give to a VM use the
browser, WUT and Dev Studio outside the VM so you are not asking the VM to
host those processes as well.  If you only have 8 gig on your machine even
that is difficult.  16 gig allows you to give the VM 8 gig (or more if you
wish), dedicate 2 gig for Dev Studio and still have room for Office apps,
browsers, etc.  On an 8 gig machine giving the VM about 5.5 gig more or
less leaves your machine useless for doing anything other than working with
the VM.

Jason


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Richter, Howard (CEI - Atlanta) 
howard.rich...@coxinc.com wrote:

 Al,

 Thanks

 I had a feeling I need to look at 12 to 16 gig and 4 processors.

 HBR

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 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:25 PM
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 Subject: Re: [arslist] Smallest foot print to run ITSM 8.1?

 We use two logical drives putting the OS on one and everything else on the
 other. The 'other' drive on the app server is about 30 GB. The one on the
 DB server is about the same. Be conservative with snapshots if you go this
 small.

 8GB RAM and 4 cores appears to be the minimum if you try to shoehorn the
 mid-tier and app-tier onto the same machine, but you probably won't like
 how things slow to a crawl when you pull up parts of ITSM. I haven't tried
 being real careful about what loads in the caches yet, though.

 -al

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 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:27 AM
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 **

 Morning, Afternoon and Evening all,



 I was wondering what would be the smallest foot print to run ITSM 8.1
 (including a database).



 This would just be for playing and simple development.



 Thanks,



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Re: Deployable Applications

2013-10-10 Thread Grooms, Frederick W

Try this

Create the app in Base Mode 
Go back into Best Practice Mode and overlay the app

You should be able to add the Custom form to the app in the overlay.

Fred

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION 
OPERATIONS
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:21 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Deployable Applications

Yeah, that's what I'm going to have to do, but that defeats the Always
develop in Best Practice rule.  But that's the only thing I can do at
this point (is convert to base).

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Saji Philip
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:19 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Deployable Applications

** 

On the custom forms etc, convert them to base. And then you should be
able to attach the form.

On Oct 10, 2013 11:56 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS
lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:


** 

I created a deployable application so I can create an
application heading on the Customizable Home Page.  Problem is you can
only create a Deployable application in Base Mode.

 

Like a good girl, I created a Custom form (and workflow) in best
practice mode, but now I cannot add my form to the Deployable
application.  I only want to use this application so I can get a link on
the Customizable Home Page (well an Application Heading and then links
underneath it.)

 

I know I have to create Active Link Guides to create the entry
points and I have them created, but how can I create a deployable app if
they don't allow it in Best Practice?  I ended up creating it on Base
Mode, but it will not allow me to add any forms (Custom Forms in Best
Practice) to it.  They don't even come up.

 

Lisa

 

 

Lisa Kemes

Remedy Consultant

Dev Technology Group

DLA Office: (717) 770-6437 tel:%28717%29%20770-6437 

Cell Phone: (717) 602-9460 tel:%28717%29%20602-9460 

lisa.ke...@devtechnology.com

 

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Re: Deployable Applications

Good idea, but you can overlay apps in 7.6.04.  I believe you can in
8.x.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Grooms, Frederick W
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:40 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Deployable Applications

Try this

Create the app in Base Mode
Go back into Best Practice Mode and overlay the app

You should be able to add the Custom form to the app in the overlay.

Fred

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR
INFORMATION OPERATIONS
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:21 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Deployable Applications

Yeah, that's what I'm going to have to do, but that defeats the Always
develop in Best Practice rule.  But that's the only thing I can do at
this point (is convert to base).

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Saji Philip
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:19 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Deployable Applications

** 

On the custom forms etc, convert them to base. And then you should be
able to attach the form.

On Oct 10, 2013 11:56 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS
lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:

** 

I created a deployable application so I can create an
application heading on the Customizable Home Page.  Problem is you can
only create a Deployable application in Base Mode.

Like a good girl, I created a Custom form (and workflow) in best
practice mode, but now I cannot add my form to the Deployable
application.  I only want to use this application so I can get a link on
the Customizable Home Page (well an Application Heading and then links
underneath it.)

I know I have to create Active Link Guides to create the entry
points and I have them created, but how can I create a deployable app if
they don't allow it in Best Practice?  I ended up creating it on Base
Mode, but it will not allow me to add any forms (Custom Forms in Best
Practice) to it.  They don't even come up.

Lisa

Lisa Kemes

Remedy Consultant

Dev Technology Group

DLA Office: (717) 770-6437 tel:%28717%29%20770-6437 

Cell Phone: (717) 602-9460 tel:%28717%29%20602-9460 

lisa.ke...@devtechnology.com

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Re: Deployable Applications

2013-10-10 Thread Grooms, Frederick W

Oh ...   I was going by the Docs (Form, App, Object  page 125)

You can create overlays for the following objects:
   Active links Images
   Active link guides   Local applications
   Escalations  Menus
   Filters  Packing lists
   Filter guidesViews
   FormsWeb services
   Fields

I'm in a pure custom ARS shop so we haven't touched overlays

Fred

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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION 
OPERATIONS
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:43 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Deployable Applications

Good idea, but you can overlay apps in 7.6.04.  I believe you can in
8.x.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Grooms, Frederick W
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:40 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Deployable Applications

Try this

Create the app in Base Mode
Go back into Best Practice Mode and overlay the app

You should be able to add the Custom form to the app in the overlay.

Fred

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR
INFORMATION OPERATIONS
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:21 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Deployable Applications

Yeah, that's what I'm going to have to do, but that defeats the Always
develop in Best Practice rule.  But that's the only thing I can do at
this point (is convert to base).

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Saji Philip
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:19 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Deployable Applications

** 

On the custom forms etc, convert them to base. And then you should be
able to attach the form.

On Oct 10, 2013 11:56 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS
lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:


** 

I created a deployable application so I can create an
application heading on the Customizable Home Page.  Problem is you can
only create a Deployable application in Base Mode.

 

Like a good girl, I created a Custom form (and workflow) in best
practice mode, but now I cannot add my form to the Deployable
application.  I only want to use this application so I can get a link on
the Customizable Home Page (well an Application Heading and then links
underneath it.)

 

I know I have to create Active Link Guides to create the entry
points and I have them created, but how can I create a deployable app if
they don't allow it in Best Practice?  I ended up creating it on Base
Mode, but it will not allow me to add any forms (Custom Forms in Best
Practice) to it.  They don't even come up.

 

Lisa

 

 

Lisa Kemes

Remedy Consultant

Dev Technology Group

DLA Office: (717) 770-6437 tel:%28717%29%20770-6437 

Cell Phone: (717) 602-9460 tel:%28717%29%20602-9460 

lisa.ke...@devtechnology.com

 


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Re: Deployable Applications

2013-10-10 Thread Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS

Sorry, to be more clear, you can't overlay deployable apps.  And those
are the types of apps I need to create.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Grooms, Frederick W
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:51 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Deployable Applications

Oh ...   I was going by the Docs (Form, App, Object  page 125)

You can create overlays for the following objects:
   Active links Images
   Active link guides   Local applications
   Escalations  Menus
   Filters  Packing lists
   Filter guidesViews
   FormsWeb services
   Fields

I'm in a pure custom ARS shop so we haven't touched overlays

Fred

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR
INFORMATION OPERATIONS
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:43 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Deployable Applications

Good idea, but you can overlay apps in 7.6.04.  I believe you can in
8.x.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Grooms, Frederick W
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:40 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Deployable Applications

Try this

Create the app in Base Mode
Go back into Best Practice Mode and overlay the app

You should be able to add the Custom form to the app in the overlay.

Fred

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR
INFORMATION OPERATIONS
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:21 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Deployable Applications

Yeah, that's what I'm going to have to do, but that defeats the Always
develop in Best Practice rule.  But that's the only thing I can do at
this point (is convert to base).

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Saji Philip
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:19 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Deployable Applications

** 

On the custom forms etc, convert them to base. And then you should be
able to attach the form.

On Oct 10, 2013 11:56 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS
lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:

** 

I created a deployable application so I can create an
application heading on the Customizable Home Page.  Problem is you can
only create a Deployable application in Base Mode.

Like a good girl, I created a Custom form (and workflow) in best
practice mode, but now I cannot add my form to the Deployable
application.  I only want to use this application so I can get a link on
the Customizable Home Page (well an Application Heading and then links
underneath it.)

I know I have to create Active Link Guides to create the entry
points and I have them created, but how can I create a deployable app if
they don't allow it in Best Practice?  I ended up creating it on Base
Mode, but it will not allow me to add any forms (Custom Forms in Best
Practice) to it.  They don't even come up.

Lisa

Lisa Kemes

Remedy Consultant

Dev Technology Group

DLA Office: (717) 770-6437 tel:%28717%29%20770-6437 

Cell Phone: (717) 602-9460 tel:%28717%29%20602-9460 

lisa.ke...@devtechnology.com

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Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

That'd be cool if it did and if that hotfix addressed what we are talking
about!

Cheers

Joe

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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Richter, Howard (CEI - Atlanta)
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:26 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

During RUG, I was told that a hotfix will be coming soon to address the
flushing action of the mid-tier (base line on 7.6.4).

Just an FYI..

hbr

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:14 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: [arslist] Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I noticed
the time it takes to flush the entire cache is not that significantly more
than using the Sync Cache.

My reasoning why that must be as it is, is that it still takes the system a
little bit of time to figure out what has changed. Sure the searches for
this might be optimized, but it's still a search to identify what needs to
be flushed. Even if the search takes only a minute, its still a minute more.

I'm guessing it takes a little more than a minute to identify what's
changed. On an average I have noticed that a Sync Cache operation takes
anywhere around 5 minutes or upwards.

The benefit of telling the Mid-Tier what to cache upfront, eliminates the
need for the Mid-Tier to search what it needs to cache.

PLUS while stuff is still being developed, there's a chance you do not want
to cache everything you just developed as you are still RD'ing it. So as a
developer if I want to cache just a single object or a selected list of
objects but not the rest that are newly created, I think it would be a huge
win if I could have that.

I think the Flush Cache and / or the Sync Cache operations are more ideal
for end of development cycles or end of day operations. Not middle of the
day when you have a team of developers who didn't want the MT cache flushed
waiting on it to finish its work. The single object flush idea would be
ideal for middle of the day use where you do not impact other users or
developers..

Cheers

Joe

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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
OPERATIONS
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:58 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

We are on 7.6.04 sp2.  I'll keep playing with it and see if I can get it to
work for me.  I'll try clearing the browser cache, etc.  

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:41 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**
What version are you using?  I think sync cache has matured a bit since it
was first introduced.  On 8.0 I am constantly using it to see form and AL
updates.

One trick is you need to either clear your browser cache or force a cache
refresh by using CTRL + F5.  Also in the past I have noticed some issues
where changed objects being displayed via an inline panel are not easily
refreshed.  In that case I keep the form itself open in a tab and force the
cache refresh on the form itself before trying it inline.

Jason


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
OPERATIONS lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:


I agree, I tried using the Sync Cache feature and it's good for
forms
and fields, but not for workflow.  I waited and waited for my
workflow
(active links) to refresh and after about 20 minutes, I just flushed
the
entire cache and only then did I see my new workflow kick off.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:04 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: RFE: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**

Currently the flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache is limited to
either
flushing the entire cache (HUGE performance hit) or using the new
Sync
Cache feature (relatively less of a performance hit).



It would be nice if there was another layer of control over what a
developer or a Mid-Tier administrator would have liked to flush.
And
that is the ability to flush an individual object - Just the Form,
or
just one Active Link, or just one Form Menu, etc. or a selected list
of
these.



The Sync Cache feature already having been built, whose

Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

Wow that's quick on 8 then. I'm quite certain its not that quick on 7.6.04.
Sometimes that progress bar moves a percentage every 3 or 4 or 5 seconds
resulting in it getting completed in anywhere between 5 to 10 minutes.

 

This is probably cause often I'm not the only developer on board and it
caches things that others have done too.

 

My hypotheses without really going through a SQL logging process is that it
probably takes quite some time for it to find the objects it needs to cache.

 

Joe

 

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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:25 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 

** 

I am not arguing the merits of the being able cache a single object or maybe
better yet a group of selected objects.  My experience with Sync Cache is it
is a sub 30 second process on AR 8.0 / MT 8.1.  In the last few days I have
repeatedly changed a form or AL, let it finish saving (AR server cache mode
is a factor here since the server cache needs to reflect the object has
changed), hit Sync Cache in IE, CTRL + F5 the form in Firefox.  I allow
minimal time between those steps.

 

Jason

 

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:

Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I noticed
the time it takes to flush the entire cache is not that significantly more
than using the Sync Cache.

My reasoning why that must be as it is, is that it still takes the system a
little bit of time to figure out what has changed. Sure the searches for
this might be optimized, but it's still a search to identify what needs to
be flushed. Even if the search takes only a minute, its still a minute more.

I'm guessing it takes a little more than a minute to identify what's
changed. On an average I have noticed that a Sync Cache operation takes
anywhere around 5 minutes or upwards.

The benefit of telling the Mid-Tier what to cache upfront, eliminates the
need for the Mid-Tier to search what it needs to cache.

PLUS while stuff is still being developed, there's a chance you do not want
to cache everything you just developed as you are still RD'ing it. So as a
developer if I want to cache just a single object or a selected list of
objects but not the rest that are newly created, I think it would be a huge
win if I could have that.

I think the Flush Cache and / or the Sync Cache operations are more ideal
for end of development cycles or end of day operations. Not middle of the
day when you have a team of developers who didn't want the MT cache flushed
waiting on it to finish its work. The single object flush idea would be
ideal for middle of the day use where you do not impact other users or
developers..

Cheers

Joe


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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)

[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
OPERATIONS

Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:58 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

We are on 7.6.04 sp2.  I'll keep playing with it and see if I can get it
to work for me.  I'll try clearing the browser cache, etc.

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:41 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**
What version are you using?  I think sync cache has matured a bit since
it was first introduced.  On 8.0 I am constantly using it to see form
and AL updates.

One trick is you need to either clear your browser cache or force a
cache refresh by using CTRL + F5.  Also in the past I have noticed some
issues where changed objects being displayed via an inline panel are not
easily refreshed.  In that case I keep the form itself open in a tab and
force the cache refresh on the form itself before trying it inline.

Jason


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
OPERATIONS lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:


I agree, I tried using the Sync Cache feature and it's good for
forms
and fields, but not for workflow.  I waited and waited for my
workflow
(active links) to refresh and after about 20 minutes, I just
flushed the
entire cache and only then did I see my new workflow kick off.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:04 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: RFE: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier
Cache

**

Currently the flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache is limited
to either
flushing the entire cache (HUGE performance hit) or using the
new Sync

Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

Lets say that it . (Remember BMC can't talk about the future)

hbr

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:01 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: [arslist] Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

That'd be cool if it did and if that hotfix addressed what we are talking about!

Cheers

Joe

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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Richter, Howard (CEI - Atlanta)
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:26 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

During RUG, I was told that a hotfix will be coming soon to address the 
flushing action of the mid-tier (base line on 7.6.4).

Just an FYI..

hbr

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:14 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: [arslist] Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I noticed the 
time it takes to flush the entire cache is not that significantly more than 
using the Sync Cache.

My reasoning why that must be as it is, is that it still takes the system a 
little bit of time to figure out what has changed. Sure the searches for this 
might be optimized, but it's still a search to identify what needs to be 
flushed. Even if the search takes only a minute, its still a minute more.

I'm guessing it takes a little more than a minute to identify what's changed. 
On an average I have noticed that a Sync Cache operation takes anywhere around 
5 minutes or upwards.

The benefit of telling the Mid-Tier what to cache upfront, eliminates the need 
for the Mid-Tier to search what it needs to cache.

PLUS while stuff is still being developed, there's a chance you do not want to 
cache everything you just developed as you are still RD'ing it. So as a 
developer if I want to cache just a single object or a selected list of objects 
but not the rest that are newly created, I think it would be a huge win if I 
could have that.

I think the Flush Cache and / or the Sync Cache operations are more ideal for 
end of development cycles or end of day operations. Not middle of the day when 
you have a team of developers who didn't want the MT cache flushed waiting on 
it to finish its work. The single object flush idea would be ideal for middle 
of the day use where you do not impact other users or developers..

Cheers

Joe

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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION 
OPERATIONS
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:58 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

We are on 7.6.04 sp2.  I'll keep playing with it and see if I can get it to 
work for me.  I'll try clearing the browser cache, etc.  

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:41 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**
What version are you using?  I think sync cache has matured a bit since it was 
first introduced.  On 8.0 I am constantly using it to see form and AL updates.

One trick is you need to either clear your browser cache or force a cache 
refresh by using CTRL + F5.  Also in the past I have noticed some issues where 
changed objects being displayed via an inline panel are not easily refreshed.  
In that case I keep the form itself open in a tab and force the cache refresh 
on the form itself before trying it inline.

Jason

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS 
lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:

I agree, I tried using the Sync Cache feature and it's good for forms
and fields, but not for workflow.  I waited and waited for my workflow
(active links) to refresh and after about 20 minutes, I just flushed the
entire cache and only then did I see my new workflow kick off.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:04 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: RFE: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**

Currently the flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache is limited to either
flushing the entire cache (HUGE performance hit) or using the new Sync
Cache feature (relatively less of a performance hit).

It would be nice if there was

Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

Ah.  So I see a bit of difference in our configurations.  Since this is Dev
we do not have Preload on.  I don't see a status bar when I press Sync
Cache.  If there were a status bar maybe it would take that long?  I just
know by the time I check the change in a browser the change is active.


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:

 **

 Wow that’s quick on 8 then. I’m quite certain its not that quick on
 7.6.04. Sometimes that progress bar moves a percentage every 3 or 4 or 5
 seconds resulting in it getting completed in anywhere between 5 to 10
 minutes.

 ** **

 This is probably cause often I’m not the only developer on board and it
 caches things that others have done too.

 ** **

 My hypotheses without really going through a SQL logging process is that
 it probably takes quite some time for it to find the objects it needs to
 cache.

 ** **

 Joe

 ** **
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 *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:25 PM

 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache
 

  ** **

 ** 

 I am not arguing the merits of the being able cache a single object or
 maybe better yet a group of selected objects.  My experience with Sync
 Cache is it is a sub 30 second process on AR 8.0 / MT 8.1.  In the last few
 days I have repeatedly changed a form or AL, let it finish saving (AR
 server cache mode is a factor here since the server cache needs to reflect
 the object has changed), hit Sync Cache in IE, CTRL + F5 the form in
 Firefox.  I allow minimal time between those steps.

 ** **

 Jason

 ** **

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:**
 **

 Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I noticed
 the time it takes to flush the entire cache is not that significantly more
 than using the Sync Cache.

 My reasoning why that must be as it is, is that it still takes the system a
 little bit of time to figure out what has changed. Sure the searches for
 this might be optimized, but it's still a search to identify what needs to
 be flushed. Even if the search takes only a minute, its still a minute
 more.

 I'm guessing it takes a little more than a minute to identify what's
 changed. On an average I have noticed that a Sync Cache operation takes
 anywhere around 5 minutes or upwards.

 The benefit of telling the Mid-Tier what to cache upfront, eliminates the
 need for the Mid-Tier to search what it needs to cache.

 PLUS while stuff is still being developed, there's a chance you do not want
 to cache everything you just developed as you are still RD'ing it. So as a
 developer if I want to cache just a single object or a selected list of
 objects but not the rest that are newly created, I think it would be a huge
 win if I could have that.

 I think the Flush Cache and / or the Sync Cache operations are more ideal
 for end of development cycles or end of day operations. Not middle of the
 day when you have a team of developers who didn't want the MT cache flushed
 waiting on it to finish its work. The single object flush idea would be
 ideal for middle of the day use where you do not impact other users or
 developers..

 Cheers

 Joe


 -Original Message-
 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)

 [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR
 INFORMATION
 OPERATIONS

 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:58 PM
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 We are on 7.6.04 sp2.  I'll keep playing with it and see if I can get it
 to work for me.  I'll try clearing the browser cache, etc.

 Lisa

 -Original Message-
 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
 [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:41 AM
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 **
 What version are you using?  I think sync cache has matured a bit since
 it was first introduced.  On 8.0 I am constantly using it to see form
 and AL updates.

 One trick is you need to either clear your browser cache or force a
 cache refresh by using CTRL + F5.  Also in the past I have noticed some
 issues where changed objects being displayed via an inline panel are not
 easily refreshed.  In that case I keep the form itself open in a tab and
 force the cache refresh on the form itself before trying it inline.

 Jason


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
 OPERATIONS lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:


 I agree, I tried using the Sync Cache feature and it's good for
 forms
 and fields, but not for workflow.  I waited and waited for my
 workflow
 (active links) to refresh and after about 20 minutes, I just

Re: Incident Console Issue

2013-10-10 Thread Mitcham, Ross

It would be nice to see the active link logs.  There are many possibilities of 
things that could have happened.

Today the instance ID of the Incident is taken from the table and an event is 
passed to the landing console, to trigger opening the ticket in the help desk 
form.  (Perhaps via some customization or product defect), perhaps the 
watchlist instance ID and help desk instance ID are out of sync?

Only way to tell is to completely attach the active link workflow that fires 
(very interested in the link HPD:COI:Details_100_OpenIVR_InVF)

Regards,

Ross Mitcham



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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION 
OPERATIONS
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:01 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Incident Console Issue

Did you change anything about the table query on the back end?

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lokesh Jayaraman
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:39 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Incident Console Issue

**
Hi All,


I am having issue with Incident Management console while opening an
incident ticket from the incident console table. 


When i double click on the incident from the table, i am getting No
matches found but in the backend form HPD:CFG:IncidentWatchlist all
the records are available.

Environment is 7.6.04 No patch for ITSM hosted in Windows server.  


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Query for Change Management and CMDB

2013-10-10 Thread Jenny Holderness

Hi,

Does anyone know a query that I could use to pull change records where a 
technican has not done an impact anaylsis? Here is what we have so far but we 
are not getting distinct change records.

SELECT AL1.CHANGE_ID, AL1.MANAGER_NAME, AL1.MANAGER_SUPPORT_GROUP, 
AL1.SCHEDULED_START_DATE, AL1.SUMMARY, AL1.STATUS, AL1.RISK, 
AL1.MANAGER_SUPPORT_COMPANY, AL1.ASSIGNEE_NAME, AL2.RELATED_ID, 
AL2.ASSOCIATION_ID, AL2.INSTANCE_ID, AL2.ASSET_ID, AL3.NAME, 
AL4.INFO_TYPE, AL4.NOTES FROM AITREMEDYDW.CHANGE AL1, 
AITREMEDYDW.RELATED_CI AL2, AITREMEDYDW.CI_BASE_ELEMENT AL3, 
AITREMEDYDW.CHANGE_WORK_INFO AL4 WHERE (AL2.RELATED_ID=AL1.CHANGE_ID 
AND AL2.ASSET_ID=AL3.RECONCILIATION_IDENTITY AND 
AL4.CHANGE_ID=AL1.CHANGE_ID)  AND AL4.INFO_TYPE='Service Impact 
Assessment' AND (NOT AL4.NOTES LIKE 'Atrium Impa%')))

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Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

I have always seen a progress bar after hitting Sync Cache - I'll take a
screen shot next time I have to use it if I remember to and send it to you
offline.

 

Joe

 

  _  

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:40 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 

** 

Ah.  So I see a bit of difference in our configurations.  Since this is Dev
we do not have Preload on.  I don't see a status bar when I press Sync
Cache.  If there were a status bar maybe it would take that long?  I just
know by the time I check the change in a browser the change is active.

 

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:

** 

Wow that's quick on 8 then. I'm quite certain its not that quick on 7.6.04.
Sometimes that progress bar moves a percentage every 3 or 4 or 5 seconds
resulting in it getting completed in anywhere between 5 to 10 minutes.

 

This is probably cause often I'm not the only developer on board and it
caches things that others have done too.

 

My hypotheses without really going through a SQL logging process is that it
probably takes quite some time for it to find the objects it needs to cache.

 

Joe

 

  _  

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:25 PM


To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 

** 

I am not arguing the merits of the being able cache a single object or maybe
better yet a group of selected objects.  My experience with Sync Cache is it
is a sub 30 second process on AR 8.0 / MT 8.1.  In the last few days I have
repeatedly changed a form or AL, let it finish saving (AR server cache mode
is a factor here since the server cache needs to reflect the object has
changed), hit Sync Cache in IE, CTRL + F5 the form in Firefox.  I allow
minimal time between those steps.

 

Jason

 

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:

Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I noticed
the time it takes to flush the entire cache is not that significantly more
than using the Sync Cache.

My reasoning why that must be as it is, is that it still takes the system a
little bit of time to figure out what has changed. Sure the searches for
this might be optimized, but it's still a search to identify what needs to
be flushed. Even if the search takes only a minute, its still a minute more.

I'm guessing it takes a little more than a minute to identify what's
changed. On an average I have noticed that a Sync Cache operation takes
anywhere around 5 minutes or upwards.

The benefit of telling the Mid-Tier what to cache upfront, eliminates the
need for the Mid-Tier to search what it needs to cache.

PLUS while stuff is still being developed, there's a chance you do not want
to cache everything you just developed as you are still RD'ing it. So as a
developer if I want to cache just a single object or a selected list of
objects but not the rest that are newly created, I think it would be a huge
win if I could have that.

I think the Flush Cache and / or the Sync Cache operations are more ideal
for end of development cycles or end of day operations. Not middle of the
day when you have a team of developers who didn't want the MT cache flushed
waiting on it to finish its work. The single object flush idea would be
ideal for middle of the day use where you do not impact other users or
developers..

Cheers

Joe


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)

[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
OPERATIONS

Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:58 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

We are on 7.6.04 sp2.  I'll keep playing with it and see if I can get it
to work for me.  I'll try clearing the browser cache, etc.

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:41 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**
What version are you using?  I think sync cache has matured a bit since
it was first introduced.  On 8.0 I am constantly using it to see form
and AL updates.

One trick is you need to either clear your browser cache or force a
cache refresh by using CTRL + F5.  Also in the past I have noticed some
issues where changed objects being displayed via an inline panel are not
easily refreshed.  In that case I keep the form itself open in a tab and
force the cache refresh on the form itself before trying it inline.

Jason


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
OPERATIONS lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:

Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

2013-10-10 Thread Arner, Todd

On our 8.1 box, the Sync Cache button has always been greyed out and not 
available.  Is that normal? Or am I missing something.

Thanks,
Todd Arner

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:41 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**
What version are you using?  I think sync cache has matured a bit since it was 
first introduced.  On 8.0 I am constantly using it to see form and AL updates.

One trick is you need to either clear your browser cache or force a cache 
refresh by using CTRL + F5.  Also in the past I have noticed some issues where 
changed objects being displayed via an inline panel are not easily refreshed.  
In that case I keep the form itself open in a tab and force the cache refresh 
on the form itself before trying it inline.

Jason

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS 
lisa.kemes@dla.milmailto:lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:
I agree, I tried using the Sync Cache feature and it's good for forms
and fields, but not for workflow.  I waited and waited for my workflow
(active links) to refresh and after about 20 minutes, I just flushed the
entire cache and only then did I see my new workflow kick off.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe 
D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:04 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: RFE: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**

Currently the flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache is limited to either
flushing the entire cache (HUGE performance hit) or using the new Sync
Cache feature (relatively less of a performance hit).

It would be nice if there was another layer of control over what a
developer or a Mid-Tier administrator would have liked to flush. And
that is the ability to flush an individual object - Just the Form, or
just one Active Link, or just one Form Menu, etc. or a selected list of
these.

The Sync Cache feature already having been built, whose functionality I
was a little confused over because it still takes a ton of time to
happen, I would not think going one layer deeper would be that much more
difficult, and flush just selected objects.

This could be implemented both on the Mid-Tier configuration application

OR

Even better on the Developer Studio itself. The Developer Studio can
already store information of various Mid-Tier servers associated with
various AR Servers from various environments such as Development, Test,
QA, Staging, Production etc. in its Mid-Tier servers Information. It
already has the ability to view a form through a browser utility. In
version 8 it has even gone a step further to model permissions you want
to view the form with. Below is a screen shot of a limited version of
this functionality in 7.6.04..

It would be nice to be able to right click on a newly created menu, and
perform a Cache on Selected Mid-Tier Server and offer the developer a
choice of valid servers associated with that environment that he would
like to flush the cache without leaving the Developer Studio and choose
single objects or a finite list of objects to flush instead of having
the Sync cache flush all the recently developed objects, which may not
be what he wants to do.

In my opinion this would be less time consuming that even the Sync
feature, and will give the developer a better control on what they are
ready to publish as finished code to the user.

I would like to know what you'll think of this one too.

I have yet another couple of ideas I spoke to engineering about that I
was asked to post on here so it could be run by the community.

Please visit the community area to vote on this one
https://communities.bmc.com/ideas/3588  if you like it at
https://communities.bmc.com/ideas/3588.

Cheers

Joe D'Souza

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Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

I have seen it...  On the environments where we have Preload turned on.


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:

 **

 I have always seen a progress bar after hitting Sync Cache – I’ll take a
 screen shot next time I have to use it if I remember to and send it to you
 offline.

 ** **

 Joe

 ** **
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 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:40 PM

 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache
 

  ** **

 ** 

 Ah.  So I see a bit of difference in our configurations.  Since this is
 Dev we do not have Preload on.  I don't see a status bar when I press Sync
 Cache.  If there were a status bar maybe it would take that long?  I just
 know by the time I check the change in a browser the change is active.

 ** **

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:**
 **

 ** 

 Wow that’s quick on 8 then. I’m quite certain its not that quick on
 7.6.04. Sometimes that progress bar moves a percentage every 3 or 4 or 5
 seconds resulting in it getting completed in anywhere between 5 to 10
 minutes.

  

 This is probably cause often I’m not the only developer on board and it
 caches things that others have done too.

  

 My hypotheses without really going through a SQL logging process is that
 it probably takes quite some time for it to find the objects it needs to
 cache.

  

 Joe

  
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 *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:25 PM


 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

  

 ** 

 I am not arguing the merits of the being able cache a single object or
 maybe better yet a group of selected objects.  My experience with Sync
 Cache is it is a sub 30 second process on AR 8.0 / MT 8.1.  In the last few
 days I have repeatedly changed a form or AL, let it finish saving (AR
 server cache mode is a factor here since the server cache needs to reflect
 the object has changed), hit Sync Cache in IE, CTRL + F5 the form in
 Firefox.  I allow minimal time between those steps.

  

 Jason

  

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:**
 **

 Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I noticed
 the time it takes to flush the entire cache is not that significantly more
 than using the Sync Cache.

 My reasoning why that must be as it is, is that it still takes the system a
 little bit of time to figure out what has changed. Sure the searches for
 this might be optimized, but it's still a search to identify what needs to
 be flushed. Even if the search takes only a minute, its still a minute
 more.

 I'm guessing it takes a little more than a minute to identify what's
 changed. On an average I have noticed that a Sync Cache operation takes
 anywhere around 5 minutes or upwards.

 The benefit of telling the Mid-Tier what to cache upfront, eliminates the
 need for the Mid-Tier to search what it needs to cache.

 PLUS while stuff is still being developed, there's a chance you do not want
 to cache everything you just developed as you are still RD'ing it. So as a
 developer if I want to cache just a single object or a selected list of
 objects but not the rest that are newly created, I think it would be a huge
 win if I could have that.

 I think the Flush Cache and / or the Sync Cache operations are more ideal
 for end of development cycles or end of day operations. Not middle of the
 day when you have a team of developers who didn't want the MT cache flushed
 waiting on it to finish its work. The single object flush idea would be
 ideal for middle of the day use where you do not impact other users or
 developers..

 Cheers

 Joe


 -Original Message-
 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)

 [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR
 INFORMATION
 OPERATIONS

 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:58 PM
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 We are on 7.6.04 sp2.  I'll keep playing with it and see if I can get it
 to work for me.  I'll try clearing the browser cache, etc.

 Lisa

 -Original Message-
 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
 [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:41 AM
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 **
 What version are you using?  I think sync cache has matured a bit since
 it was first introduced.  On 8.0 I am constantly using it to see form
 and AL updates.

 One trick is you need to

Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

2013-10-10 Thread Arner, Todd

Ah that may be why.  We do have preload turned on

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:01 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**
I have seen it...  On the environments where we have Preload turned on.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Joe D'Souza 
jdso...@shyle.netmailto:jdso...@shyle.net wrote:
**

I have always seen a progress bar after hitting Sync Cache - I'll take a screen 
shot next time I have to use it if I remember to and send it to you offline.

Joe

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason 
Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:40 PM

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**
Ah.  So I see a bit of difference in our configurations.  Since this is Dev we 
do not have Preload on.  I don't see a status bar when I press Sync Cache.  If 
there were a status bar maybe it would take that long?  I just know by the time 
I check the change in a browser the change is active.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Joe D'Souza 
jdso...@shyle.netmailto:jdso...@shyle.net wrote:
**
Wow that's quick on 8 then. I'm quite certain its not that quick on 7.6.04. 
Sometimes that progress bar moves a percentage every 3 or 4 or 5 seconds 
resulting in it getting completed in anywhere between 5 to 10 minutes.

This is probably cause often I'm not the only developer on board and it caches 
things that others have done too.

My hypotheses without really going through a SQL logging process is that it 
probably takes quite some time for it to find the objects it needs to cache.

Joe

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason 
Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:25 PM

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**
I am not arguing the merits of the being able cache a single object or maybe 
better yet a group of selected objects.  My experience with Sync Cache is it is 
a sub 30 second process on AR 8.0 / MT 8.1.  In the last few days I have 
repeatedly changed a form or AL, let it finish saving (AR server cache mode is 
a factor here since the server cache needs to reflect the object has changed), 
hit Sync Cache in IE, CTRL + F5 the form in Firefox.  I allow minimal time 
between those steps.

Jason

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Joe D'Souza 
jdso...@shyle.netmailto:jdso...@shyle.net wrote:
Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I noticed
the time it takes to flush the entire cache is not that significantly more
than using the Sync Cache.

My reasoning why that must be as it is, is that it still takes the system a
little bit of time to figure out what has changed. Sure the searches for
this might be optimized, but it's still a search to identify what needs to
be flushed. Even if the search takes only a minute, its still a minute more.

I'm guessing it takes a little more than a minute to identify what's
changed. On an average I have noticed that a Sync Cache operation takes
anywhere around 5 minutes or upwards.

The benefit of telling the Mid-Tier what to cache upfront, eliminates the
need for the Mid-Tier to search what it needs to cache.

PLUS while stuff is still being developed, there's a chance you do not want
to cache everything you just developed as you are still RD'ing it. So as a
developer if I want to cache just a single object or a selected list of
objects but not the rest that are newly created, I think it would be a huge
win if I could have that.

I think the Flush Cache and / or the Sync Cache operations are more ideal
for end of development cycles or end of day operations. Not middle of the
day when you have a team of developers who didn't want the MT cache flushed
waiting on it to finish its work. The single object flush idea would be
ideal for middle of the day use where you do not impact other users or
developers..

Cheers

Joe

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, 
Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
OPERATIONS
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:58 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

We are on 7.6.04 sp2.  I'll keep playing with it and see if I can get it
to work for me.  I'll try clearing the browser cache, etc.

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason 
Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:41 AM
To:

Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

Actually I think it is more related to Perform Check.  I have the Sync
Cache option in environments where we have Preload on and off.  If I
uncheck Perform Check and save the Sync Cache button turns grey.


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Arner, Todd tar...@glhec.org wrote:

 **

 Ah that may be why.  We do have preload turned on

 ** **

 *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:01 PM

 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 ** **

 ** 

 I have seen it...  On the environments where we have Preload turned on.***
 *

 ** **

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:**
 **

 ** 

 I have always seen a progress bar after hitting Sync Cache – I’ll take a
 screen shot next time I have to use it if I remember to and send it to you
 offline.

  

 Joe

  
  --

 *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:40 PM


 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

  

 ** 

 Ah.  So I see a bit of difference in our configurations.  Since this is
 Dev we do not have Preload on.  I don't see a status bar when I press Sync
 Cache.  If there were a status bar maybe it would take that long?  I just
 know by the time I check the change in a browser the change is active.

  

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:**
 **

 ** 

 Wow that’s quick on 8 then. I’m quite certain its not that quick on
 7.6.04. Sometimes that progress bar moves a percentage every 3 or 4 or 5
 seconds resulting in it getting completed in anywhere between 5 to 10
 minutes.

  

 This is probably cause often I’m not the only developer on board and it
 caches things that others have done too.

  

 My hypotheses without really going through a SQL logging process is that
 it probably takes quite some time for it to find the objects it needs to
 cache.

  

 Joe

  
  --

 *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:25 PM


 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

  

 ** 

 I am not arguing the merits of the being able cache a single object or
 maybe better yet a group of selected objects.  My experience with Sync
 Cache is it is a sub 30 second process on AR 8.0 / MT 8.1.  In the last few
 days I have repeatedly changed a form or AL, let it finish saving (AR
 server cache mode is a factor here since the server cache needs to reflect
 the object has changed), hit Sync Cache in IE, CTRL + F5 the form in
 Firefox.  I allow minimal time between those steps.

  

 Jason

  

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:**
 **

 Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I noticed
 the time it takes to flush the entire cache is not that significantly more
 than using the Sync Cache.

 My reasoning why that must be as it is, is that it still takes the system a
 little bit of time to figure out what has changed. Sure the searches for
 this might be optimized, but it's still a search to identify what needs to
 be flushed. Even if the search takes only a minute, its still a minute
 more.

 I'm guessing it takes a little more than a minute to identify what's
 changed. On an average I have noticed that a Sync Cache operation takes
 anywhere around 5 minutes or upwards.

 The benefit of telling the Mid-Tier what to cache upfront, eliminates the
 need for the Mid-Tier to search what it needs to cache.

 PLUS while stuff is still being developed, there's a chance you do not want
 to cache everything you just developed as you are still RD'ing it. So as a
 developer if I want to cache just a single object or a selected list of
 objects but not the rest that are newly created, I think it would be a huge
 win if I could have that.

 I think the Flush Cache and / or the Sync Cache operations are more ideal
 for end of development cycles or end of day operations. Not middle of the
 day when you have a team of developers who didn't want the MT cache flushed
 waiting on it to finish its work. The single object flush idea would be
 ideal for middle of the day use where you do not impact other users or
 developers..

 Cheers

 Joe


 -Original Message-
 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)

 [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR
 INFORMATION
 OPERATIONS

 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:58 PM
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 Subject: Re:

License type in Analytics to view ITSM Crystal Reports via ARSystem Midtier

2013-10-10 Thread tboot...@objectpath.com

**
Hello again:

I had a quick question that I am hoping someone will confirm for me.

Here is the situation:

ARS 8.1
ITSM 8.1
BMC Analytics for BSM 7.6.06

In the License entitlements section off BSM Analytics for BSM 7.6.06 it states the following:


License Types: User vs. Premium User
There are two types of user licenses available for BMC Analytics for BSM: User and Premium User. Depending on the license type, users will have access to the capabilities of either the Professional or Premium edition of SAP BusinessObjects Enterprise. Non-premium users have full access to view and author Web Intelligence content, but may not use other content types such as viewing Crystal Reports. Premium users may use all the capabilities of the BusinessObjects Enterprise Premium suite, including viewing of any BusinessObjects document types including viewing Crystal Reports from the BMC Remedy Mid Tier. 

So, given the above, does that mean that if I have a user that wants to view Crystal Reports via the ARSystem mid-tier (ex. ITSM reports) , that they must have an associated "Premium" license in BMC Analytics for BSM? Can someone confirm this for me ?

Thanks..

Terry


_ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_

Re: License type in Analytics to view ITSM Crystal Reports via ARSystem Midtier

having recently looked into this, yes, you are correct.  Without Premium,
your users will be able to log into BOXI server, create, run, schedule, etc
reports, but will not be able to utilize the BOXI server to run Crystal
reports out of Mid-Tier


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:22 PM, tboot...@objectpath.com 
tboot...@objectpath.com wrote:

 **
 Hello again:

 I had a quick question that I am hoping someone will confirm for me.

 Here is the situation:

 ARS 8.1
 ITSM 8.1
 BMC Analytics for BSM 7.6.06

 In the License entitlements section off BSM Analytics for BSM 7.6.06 it
 states the following:

  License Types: User vs. Premium User

 There are two types of user licenses available for BMC Analytics for BSM:
  User and Premium User.  Depending on the license type, users will have
 access to the capabilities of either the Professional or Premium edition of
 SAP BusinessObjects Enterprise.  Non-premium users have full access to view
 and author Web Intelligence content, but may not use other content types
 such as viewing Crystal Reports.  Premium users may use all the
 capabilities of the BusinessObjects Enterprise Premium suite, including
 viewing of any BusinessObjects document types including viewing Crystal
 Reports from the BMC Remedy Mid Tier.



 So, given the above, does that mean that if I have a user that wants to
 view Crystal Reports via the ARSystem mid-tier (ex. ITSM reports) , that
 they must have an associated Premium license in BMC Analytics for BSM?
 Can someone confirm this for me ?



 Thanks..



 Terry


  _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_

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Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

2013-10-10 Thread Susan Palmer

When I do a cache flush a red message appears within moment saying it's
 done.  But that is false.  It seems to take about 15 minutes.  I do not
see  any status bar.

I did notice yesterday, since it was my first flush on our new production
server that it affected users in the client and everyone got a timeout, not
just mid-tier users (ps).  We'll call that learning curve!

I have not tried the sync flush yet, I'll try that tonight.  I really
hampers getting things in the system.

Keep talking about mid-tier, I have a lot to learn!


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Jason Miller jason.mil...@gmail.comwrote:

 **
 Actually I think it is more related to Perform Check.  I have the Sync
 Cache option in environments where we have Preload on and off.  If I
 uncheck Perform Check and save the Sync Cache button turns grey.


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Arner, Todd tar...@glhec.org wrote:

 **

 Ah that may be why.  We do have preload turned on

 ** **

 *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:01 PM

 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 ** **

 ** 

 I have seen it...  On the environments where we have Preload turned on.**
 **

 ** **

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:*
 ***

 ** 

 I have always seen a progress bar after hitting Sync Cache – I’ll take a
 screen shot next time I have to use it if I remember to and send it to you
 offline.

  

 Joe

  
  --

 *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:40 PM


 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

  

 ** 

 Ah.  So I see a bit of difference in our configurations.  Since this is
 Dev we do not have Preload on.  I don't see a status bar when I press Sync
 Cache.  If there were a status bar maybe it would take that long?  I just
 know by the time I check the change in a browser the change is active.***
 *

  

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:*
 ***

 ** 

 Wow that’s quick on 8 then. I’m quite certain its not that quick on
 7.6.04. Sometimes that progress bar moves a percentage every 3 or 4 or 5
 seconds resulting in it getting completed in anywhere between 5 to 10
 minutes.

  

 This is probably cause often I’m not the only developer on board and it
 caches things that others have done too.

  

 My hypotheses without really going through a SQL logging process is that
 it probably takes quite some time for it to find the objects it needs to
 cache.

  

 Joe

  
  --

 *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:25 PM


 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

  

 ** 

 I am not arguing the merits of the being able cache a single object or
 maybe better yet a group of selected objects.  My experience with Sync
 Cache is it is a sub 30 second process on AR 8.0 / MT 8.1.  In the last few
 days I have repeatedly changed a form or AL, let it finish saving (AR
 server cache mode is a factor here since the server cache needs to reflect
 the object has changed), hit Sync Cache in IE, CTRL + F5 the form in
 Firefox.  I allow minimal time between those steps.

  

 Jason

  

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:*
 ***

 Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I noticed
 the time it takes to flush the entire cache is not that significantly more
 than using the Sync Cache.

 My reasoning why that must be as it is, is that it still takes the system
 a
 little bit of time to figure out what has changed. Sure the searches for
 this might be optimized, but it's still a search to identify what needs to
 be flushed. Even if the search takes only a minute, its still a minute
 more.

 I'm guessing it takes a little more than a minute to identify what's
 changed. On an average I have noticed that a Sync Cache operation takes
 anywhere around 5 minutes or upwards.

 The benefit of telling the Mid-Tier what to cache upfront, eliminates the
 need for the Mid-Tier to search what it needs to cache.

 PLUS while stuff is still being developed, there's a chance you do not
 want
 to cache everything you just developed as you are still RD'ing it. So as
 a
 developer if I want to cache just a single object or a selected list of
 objects but not the rest that are newly created, I think it would be a
 huge
 win if I could have that.

 I think the Flush Cache and / or the Sync

Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

2013-10-10 Thread Arner, Todd

Yep, that did it.  You need to have perform check checked and then the Sync 
Cache is enabled.  Thanks, Jason.

Todd

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:10 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**
Actually I think it is more related to Perform Check.  I have the Sync Cache 
option in environments where we have Preload on and off.  If I uncheck Perform 
Check and save the Sync Cache button turns grey.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Arner, Todd 
tar...@glhec.orgmailto:tar...@glhec.org wrote:
**
Ah that may be why.  We do have preload turned on

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason 
Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:01 PM

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**
I have seen it...  On the environments where we have Preload turned on.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Joe D'Souza 
jdso...@shyle.netmailto:jdso...@shyle.net wrote:
**

I have always seen a progress bar after hitting Sync Cache - I'll take a screen 
shot next time I have to use it if I remember to and send it to you offline.

Joe

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason 
Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:40 PM

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**
Ah.  So I see a bit of difference in our configurations.  Since this is Dev we 
do not have Preload on.  I don't see a status bar when I press Sync Cache.  If 
there were a status bar maybe it would take that long?  I just know by the time 
I check the change in a browser the change is active.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Joe D'Souza 
jdso...@shyle.netmailto:jdso...@shyle.net wrote:
**
Wow that's quick on 8 then. I'm quite certain its not that quick on 7.6.04. 
Sometimes that progress bar moves a percentage every 3 or 4 or 5 seconds 
resulting in it getting completed in anywhere between 5 to 10 minutes.

This is probably cause often I'm not the only developer on board and it caches 
things that others have done too.

My hypotheses without really going through a SQL logging process is that it 
probably takes quite some time for it to find the objects it needs to cache.

Joe

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason 
Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:25 PM

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**
I am not arguing the merits of the being able cache a single object or maybe 
better yet a group of selected objects.  My experience with Sync Cache is it is 
a sub 30 second process on AR 8.0 / MT 8.1.  In the last few days I have 
repeatedly changed a form or AL, let it finish saving (AR server cache mode is 
a factor here since the server cache needs to reflect the object has changed), 
hit Sync Cache in IE, CTRL + F5 the form in Firefox.  I allow minimal time 
between those steps.

Jason

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Joe D'Souza 
jdso...@shyle.netmailto:jdso...@shyle.net wrote:
Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I noticed
the time it takes to flush the entire cache is not that significantly more
than using the Sync Cache.

My reasoning why that must be as it is, is that it still takes the system a
little bit of time to figure out what has changed. Sure the searches for
this might be optimized, but it's still a search to identify what needs to
be flushed. Even if the search takes only a minute, its still a minute more.

I'm guessing it takes a little more than a minute to identify what's
changed. On an average I have noticed that a Sync Cache operation takes
anywhere around 5 minutes or upwards.

The benefit of telling the Mid-Tier what to cache upfront, eliminates the
need for the Mid-Tier to search what it needs to cache.

PLUS while stuff is still being developed, there's a chance you do not want
to cache everything you just developed as you are still RD'ing it. So as a
developer if I want to cache just a single object or a selected list of
objects but not the rest that are newly created, I think it would be a huge
win if I could have that.

I think the Flush Cache and / or the Sync Cache operations are more ideal
for end of development cycles or end of day operations. Not middle of the
day when you have a team of developers who didn't want the MT cache flushed
waiting on it to finish its work. The single object flush idea would be
ideal for middle of the day use where you do not impact other users or

Re: License type in Analytics to view ITSM Crystal Reports via ARSystem Midtier

2013-10-10 Thread patrick zandi

Double confirmed..without Premium (cost) you cannot use the CR we
application, in addition to the BOA (BMC office analytic):: I like the CR
side better than BOA myself.


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:25 PM, LJ LongWing lj.longw...@gmail.com wrote:

 **
 having recently looked into this, yes, you are correct.  Without Premium,
 your users will be able to log into BOXI server, create, run, schedule, etc
 reports, but will not be able to utilize the BOXI server to run Crystal
 reports out of Mid-Tier


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:22 PM, tboot...@objectpath.com 
 tboot...@objectpath.com wrote:

 **
 Hello again:

 I had a quick question that I am hoping someone will confirm for me.

 Here is the situation:

 ARS 8.1
 ITSM 8.1
 BMC Analytics for BSM 7.6.06

 In the License entitlements section off BSM Analytics for BSM 7.6.06 it
 states the following:

  License Types: User vs. Premium User

 There are two types of user licenses available for BMC Analytics for BSM:
  User and Premium User.  Depending on the license type, users will have
 access to the capabilities of either the Professional or Premium edition of
 SAP BusinessObjects Enterprise.  Non-premium users have full access to view
 and author Web Intelligence content, but may not use other content types
 such as viewing Crystal Reports.  Premium users may use all the
 capabilities of the BusinessObjects Enterprise Premium suite, including
 viewing of any BusinessObjects document types including viewing Crystal
 Reports from the BMC Remedy Mid Tier.



 So, given the above, does that mean that if I have a user that wants to
 view Crystal Reports via the ARSystem mid-tier (ex. ITSM reports) , that
 they must have an associated Premium license in BMC Analytics for BSM?
 Can someone confirm this for me ?



 Thanks..



 Terry


  _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_


 _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_




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Re: License type in Analytics to view ITSM Crystal Reports via ARSystem Midtier

2013-10-10 Thread tboot...@objectpath.com

**
If you ask me, this is ridiculous. BOA allows viewing of cubes, drill downs, etc. Why would viewing a straight "crystal report" cost more?

Terry

on Oct 10, 2013, patrick zandi remedy...@gmail.com wrote:
**
Double confirmed.. without Premium (cost) you cannot use the CR we application, in addition to the BOA (BMC office analytic):: I like the CR side better than BOA myself.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:25 PM, LJ LongWing lj.longw...@gmail.com wrote:
**
having recently looked into this, yes, you are correct. Without Premium, your users will be able to log into BOXI server, create, run, schedule, etc reports, but will not be able to utilize the BOXI server to run Crystal reports out of Mid-Tier

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:22 PM, tboot...@objectpath.com tboot...@objectpath.com wrote:
**
Hello again:

I had a quick question that I am hoping someone will confirm for me.

Here is the situation:

ARS 8.1
ITSM 8.1
BMC Analytics for BSM 7.6.06

In the License entitlements section off BSM Analytics for BSM 7.6.06 it states the following:

License Types: User vs. Premium User
There are two types of user licenses available for BMC Analytics for BSM: User and Premium User. Depending on the license type, users will have access to the capabilities of either the Professional or Premium edition of SAP BusinessObjects Enterprise. Non-premium users have full access to view and author Web Intelligence content, but may not use other content types such as viewing Crystal Reports. Premium users may use all the capabilities of the BusinessObjects Enterprise Premium suite, including viewing of any BusinessObjects document types including viewing Crystal Reports from the BMC Remedy Mid Tier.

So, given the above, does that mean that if I have a user that wants to view Crystal Reports via the ARSystem mid-tier (ex. ITSM reports) , that they must have an associated "Premium" license in BMC Analytics for BSM? Can someone confirm this for me ?

Thanks..

Terry

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Re: License type in Analytics to view ITSM Crystal Reports via ARSystem Midtier

2013-10-10 Thread patrick zandi

SAP is the cost.. not BMC ...




On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:39 PM, tboot...@objectpath.com 
tboot...@objectpath.com wrote:

 **
 If you ask me, this is ridiculous.  BOA allows viewing of cubes, drill
 downs, etc.  Why would viewing a straight crystal report cost more?


 Terry

 on Oct 10, 2013, *patrick zandi* remedy...@gmail.com wrote:

 **
 Double confirmed..without Premium (cost) you cannot use the CR we
 application, in addition to the BOA (BMC office analytic):: I like the CR
 side better than BOA myself.


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:25 PM, LJ LongWing lj.longw...@gmail.comwrote:

 **
 having recently looked into this, yes, you are correct.  Without Premium,
 your users will be able to log into BOXI server, create, run, schedule, etc
 reports, but will not be able to utilize the BOXI server to run Crystal
 reports out of Mid-Tier


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:22 PM, tboot...@objectpath.com 
 tboot...@objectpath.com wrote:

 **
 Hello again:

 I had a quick question that I am hoping someone will confirm for me.

 Here is the situation:

 ARS 8.1
 ITSM 8.1
 BMC Analytics for BSM 7.6.06

 In the License entitlements section off BSM Analytics for BSM 7.6.06 it
 states the following:

  License Types: User vs. Premium User

 There are two types of user licenses available for BMC Analytics for
 BSM:  User and Premium User.  Depending on the license type, users will
 have access to the capabilities of either the Professional or Premium
 edition of SAP BusinessObjects Enterprise.  Non-premium users have full
 access to view and author Web Intelligence content, but may not use other
 content types such as viewing Crystal Reports.  Premium users may use all
 the capabilities of the BusinessObjects Enterprise Premium suite, including
 viewing of any BusinessObjects document types including viewing Crystal
 Reports from the BMC Remedy Mid Tier.



 So, given the above, does that mean that if I have a user that wants to
 view Crystal Reports via the ARSystem mid-tier (ex. ITSM reports) , that
 they must have an associated Premium license in BMC Analytics for BSM?
 Can someone confirm this for me ?



 Thanks..



 Terry


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Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

When I do a cache flush a red message appears within moment saying it's
 done  I think the flush is done but that doesn't mean the cache has
rebuilt.  Kind of like a toilet.  When you flush the water goes down fast
but it might take a minute for the bowl to fill up again :)

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B74tdm250wuIbERiSGxNQi1fZ0k

Yeah, with our ITSM 8.x prod we only flush at night or in times of
emergency.  Too much impact otherwise.  Sync cache pretty much
goes unnoticed unless cache corruption occurs.

Jason


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Susan Palmer suzanpal...@gmail.comwrote:

 **
 When I do a cache flush a red message appears within moment saying it's
  done.  But that is false.  It seems to take about 15 minutes.  I do not
 see  any status bar.

 I did notice yesterday, since it was my first flush on our new production
 server that it affected users in the client and everyone got a timeout, not
 just mid-tier users (ps).  We'll call that learning curve!

 I have not tried the sync flush yet, I'll try that tonight.  I really
 hampers getting things in the system.

 Keep talking about mid-tier, I have a lot to learn!


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Jason Miller jason.mil...@gmail.comwrote:

 **
 Actually I think it is more related to Perform Check.  I have the Sync
 Cache option in environments where we have Preload on and off.  If I
 uncheck Perform Check and save the Sync Cache button turns grey.


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Arner, Todd tar...@glhec.org wrote:

 **

 Ah that may be why.  We do have preload turned on

 ** **

 *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:01 PM

 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 ** **

 ** 

 I have seen it...  On the environments where we have Preload turned on.*
 ***

 ** **

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:
 

 ** 

 I have always seen a progress bar after hitting Sync Cache – I’ll take a
 screen shot next time I have to use it if I remember to and send it to you
 offline.

  

 Joe

  
  --

 *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:40 PM


 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

  

 ** 

 Ah.  So I see a bit of difference in our configurations.  Since this is
 Dev we do not have Preload on.  I don't see a status bar when I press Sync
 Cache.  If there were a status bar maybe it would take that long?  I just
 know by the time I check the change in a browser the change is active.**
 **

  

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:
 

 ** 

 Wow that’s quick on 8 then. I’m quite certain its not that quick on
 7.6.04. Sometimes that progress bar moves a percentage every 3 or 4 or 5
 seconds resulting in it getting completed in anywhere between 5 to 10
 minutes.

  

 This is probably cause often I’m not the only developer on board and it
 caches things that others have done too.

  

 My hypotheses without really going through a SQL logging process is that
 it probably takes quite some time for it to find the objects it needs to
 cache.

  

 Joe

  
  --

 *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:25 PM


 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

  

 ** 

 I am not arguing the merits of the being able cache a single object or
 maybe better yet a group of selected objects.  My experience with Sync
 Cache is it is a sub 30 second process on AR 8.0 / MT 8.1.  In the last few
 days I have repeatedly changed a form or AL, let it finish saving (AR
 server cache mode is a factor here since the server cache needs to reflect
 the object has changed), hit Sync Cache in IE, CTRL + F5 the form in
 Firefox.  I allow minimal time between those steps.

  

 Jason

  

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:
 

 Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I
 noticed
 the time it takes to flush the entire cache is not that significantly
 more
 than using the Sync Cache.

 My reasoning why that must be as it is, is that it still takes the
 system a
 little bit of time to figure out what has changed. Sure the searches for
 this might be optimized, but it's still a search to identify what needs
 to
 be flushed. Even if the search takes only a minute, its still a minute
 more.

 I'm guessing it takes a little more than a minute to identify what's
 changed.

Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

2013-10-10 Thread Susan Palmer

cache corruption   Does that happen often?


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Jason Miller jason.mil...@gmail.comwrote:

 **
 When I do a cache flush a red message appears within moment saying it's
  done  I think the flush is done but that doesn't mean the cache has
 rebuilt.  Kind of like a toilet.  When you flush the water goes down fast
 but it might take a minute for the bowl to fill up again :)

 https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B74tdm250wuIbERiSGxNQi1fZ0k

 Yeah, with our ITSM 8.x prod we only flush at night or in times of
 emergency.  Too much impact otherwise.  Sync cache pretty much
 goes unnoticed unless cache corruption occurs.

 Jason


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Susan Palmer suzanpal...@gmail.comwrote:

 **
 When I do a cache flush a red message appears within moment saying it's
  done.  But that is false.  It seems to take about 15 minutes.  I do not
 see  any status bar.

 I did notice yesterday, since it was my first flush on our new production
 server that it affected users in the client and everyone got a timeout, not
 just mid-tier users (ps).  We'll call that learning curve!

 I have not tried the sync flush yet, I'll try that tonight.  I really
 hampers getting things in the system.

 Keep talking about mid-tier, I have a lot to learn!


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Jason Miller jason.mil...@gmail.comwrote:

 **
 Actually I think it is more related to Perform Check.  I have the Sync
 Cache option in environments where we have Preload on and off.  If I
 uncheck Perform Check and save the Sync Cache button turns grey.


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Arner, Todd tar...@glhec.org wrote:

 **

 Ah that may be why.  We do have preload turned on

 ** **

 *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:01 PM

 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache***
 *

 ** **

 ** 

 I have seen it...  On the environments where we have Preload turned on.
 

 ** **

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net
 wrote:

 ** 

 I have always seen a progress bar after hitting Sync Cache – I’ll take
 a screen shot next time I have to use it if I remember to and send it to
 you offline.

  

 Joe

  
  --

 *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:40 PM


 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache***
 *

  

 ** 

 Ah.  So I see a bit of difference in our configurations.  Since this is
 Dev we do not have Preload on.  I don't see a status bar when I press Sync
 Cache.  If there were a status bar maybe it would take that long?  I just
 know by the time I check the change in a browser the change is active.*
 ***

  

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net
 wrote:

 ** 

 Wow that’s quick on 8 then. I’m quite certain its not that quick on
 7.6.04. Sometimes that progress bar moves a percentage every 3 or 4 or 5
 seconds resulting in it getting completed in anywhere between 5 to 10
 minutes.

  

 This is probably cause often I’m not the only developer on board and it
 caches things that others have done too.

  

 My hypotheses without really going through a SQL logging process is
 that it probably takes quite some time for it to find the objects it needs
 to cache.

  

 Joe

  
  --

 *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:25 PM


 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache***
 *

  

 ** 

 I am not arguing the merits of the being able cache a single object or
 maybe better yet a group of selected objects.  My experience with Sync
 Cache is it is a sub 30 second process on AR 8.0 / MT 8.1.  In the last few
 days I have repeatedly changed a form or AL, let it finish saving (AR
 server cache mode is a factor here since the server cache needs to reflect
 the object has changed), hit Sync Cache in IE, CTRL + F5 the form in
 Firefox.  I allow minimal time between those steps.

  

 Jason

  

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net
 wrote:

 Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I
 noticed
 the time it takes to flush the entire cache is not that significantly
 more
 than using the Sync Cache.

 My reasoning why that must be as it is, is that it still takes the
 system a
 little bit of time to figure out what has changed. Sure the searches for
 this might be optimized, but it's still a search to identify what needs
 to
 be flushed. Even

Decision Tree not working

2013-10-10 Thread Brittain, Mark

Hi All,

Venturing into Knowlege Management, after reading the User and Admin guides, I 
created and publisked a decision tree. If I use the the global search on the 
overview console I can locate and use the tree. If I go to an Incident  
Advanced Functions  Decision Tree. I get the following error

Unable to find a Decision Tree for this customer. The Decision Tree Window will 
now close. (ARNOTE 45124). The customer in the tree is the same as in the 
Incident. I have also tried setting the tree to -Global- and get the same 
result. What am I missing?

ARS 7.6.04 SP3
ITSM 7.6.04 SP3

Thanks
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Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

Todd,

 

I would think its not normal as I have never seen it grayed out ever..

 

I would've asked you about the version of the AR Server that mid-tier
connects to, but I really do not think that little bugger there has anything
to do with the version of the AR System server as its something internal to
the mid-tier that instructs the mid-tier to cache the server slightly
differently. But that's worth checking to see if the version of the AR
System Server has anything to do with it at all. My gut feel says no it has
nothing to do with it - but worth checking.

 

Cheers

 

Joe

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Arner, Todd
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:59 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 

On our 8.1 box, the Sync Cache button has always been greyed out and not
available.  Is that normal? Or am I missing something.

 

Thanks,

Todd Arner

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:41 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 

** 

What version are you using?  I think sync cache has matured a bit since it
was first introduced.  On 8.0 I am constantly using it to see form and AL
updates.

 

One trick is you need to either clear your browser cache or force a cache
refresh by using CTRL + F5.  Also in the past I have noticed some issues
where changed objects being displayed via an inline panel are not easily
refreshed.  In that case I keep the form itself open in a tab and force the
cache refresh on the form itself before trying it inline.

 

Jason

 

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
OPERATIONS lisa.kemes@dla.mil wrote:

I agree, I tried using the Sync Cache feature and it's good for forms
and fields, but not for workflow.  I waited and waited for my workflow
(active links) to refresh and after about 20 minutes, I just flushed the
entire cache and only then did I see my new workflow kick off.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:04 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: RFE: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**

Currently the flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache is limited to either
flushing the entire cache (HUGE performance hit) or using the new Sync
Cache feature (relatively less of a performance hit).



It would be nice if there was another layer of control over what a
developer or a Mid-Tier administrator would have liked to flush. And
that is the ability to flush an individual object - Just the Form, or
just one Active Link, or just one Form Menu, etc. or a selected list of
these.



The Sync Cache feature already having been built, whose functionality I
was a little confused over because it still takes a ton of time to
happen, I would not think going one layer deeper would be that much more
difficult, and flush just selected objects.



This could be implemented both on the Mid-Tier configuration application



OR



Even better on the Developer Studio itself. The Developer Studio can
already store information of various Mid-Tier servers associated with
various AR Servers from various environments such as Development, Test,
QA, Staging, Production etc. in its Mid-Tier servers Information. It
already has the ability to view a form through a browser utility. In
version 8 it has even gone a step further to model permissions you want
to view the form with. Below is a screen shot of a limited version of
this functionality in 7.6.04..







It would be nice to be able to right click on a newly created menu, and
perform a Cache on Selected Mid-Tier Server and offer the developer a
choice of valid servers associated with that environment that he would
like to flush the cache without leaving the Developer Studio and choose
single objects or a finite list of objects to flush instead of having
the Sync cache flush all the recently developed objects, which may not
be what he wants to do.



In my opinion this would be less time consuming that even the Sync
feature, and will give the developer a better control on what they are
ready to publish as finished code to the user.



I would like to know what you'll think of this one too.



I have yet another couple of ideas I spoke to engineering about that I
was asked to post on here so it could be run by the community.



Please visit the community area to vote on this one
https://communities.bmc.com/ideas/3588  if you like it at
https://communities.bmc.com/ideas/3588.



Cheers



Joe D'Souza

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Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

Interesting. I think we do have that turned on in all our environments..

 

Joe

 

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 3:01 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 

** 

I have seen it...  On the environments where we have Preload turned on.

 

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:

** 

I have always seen a progress bar after hitting Sync Cache - I'll take a
screen shot next time I have to use it if I remember to and send it to you
offline.

 

Joe

 

  _  

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:40 PM


To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 

** 

Ah.  So I see a bit of difference in our configurations.  Since this is Dev
we do not have Preload on.  I don't see a status bar when I press Sync
Cache.  If there were a status bar maybe it would take that long?  I just
know by the time I check the change in a browser the change is active.

 

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:

** 

Wow that's quick on 8 then. I'm quite certain its not that quick on 7.6.04.
Sometimes that progress bar moves a percentage every 3 or 4 or 5 seconds
resulting in it getting completed in anywhere between 5 to 10 minutes.

 

This is probably cause often I'm not the only developer on board and it
caches things that others have done too.

 

My hypotheses without really going through a SQL logging process is that it
probably takes quite some time for it to find the objects it needs to cache.

 

Joe

 

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:25 PM


To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 

** 

I am not arguing the merits of the being able cache a single object or maybe
better yet a group of selected objects.  My experience with Sync Cache is it
is a sub 30 second process on AR 8.0 / MT 8.1.  In the last few days I have
repeatedly changed a form or AL, let it finish saving (AR server cache mode
is a factor here since the server cache needs to reflect the object has
changed), hit Sync Cache in IE, CTRL + F5 the form in Firefox.  I allow
minimal time between those steps.

 

Jason

 

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:

Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I noticed
the time it takes to flush the entire cache is not that significantly more
than using the Sync Cache.

My reasoning why that must be as it is, is that it still takes the system a
little bit of time to figure out what has changed. Sure the searches for
this might be optimized, but it's still a search to identify what needs to
be flushed. Even if the search takes only a minute, its still a minute more.

I'm guessing it takes a little more than a minute to identify what's
changed. On an average I have noticed that a Sync Cache operation takes
anywhere around 5 minutes or upwards.

The benefit of telling the Mid-Tier what to cache upfront, eliminates the
need for the Mid-Tier to search what it needs to cache.

PLUS while stuff is still being developed, there's a chance you do not want
to cache everything you just developed as you are still RD'ing it. So as a
developer if I want to cache just a single object or a selected list of
objects but not the rest that are newly created, I think it would be a huge
win if I could have that.

I think the Flush Cache and / or the Sync Cache operations are more ideal
for end of development cycles or end of day operations. Not middle of the
day when you have a team of developers who didn't want the MT cache flushed
waiting on it to finish its work. The single object flush idea would be
ideal for middle of the day use where you do not impact other users or
developers..

Cheers

Joe


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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)

[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION
OPERATIONS

Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:58 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

We are on 7.6.04 sp2.  I'll keep playing with it and see if I can get it
to work for me.  I'll try clearing the browser cache, etc.

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:41 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**
What version are you using?  I think sync cache has matured a bit since
it was first introduced.  On 8.0 I am constantly using it to

Re: Decision Tree not working

Permissions to something probably? Or its not refreshed in the web cache?

 

Got any logs?

 

Joe

 

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brittain, Mark
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:13 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Decision Tree not working

 

Hi All,

 

Venturing into Knowlege Management, after reading the User and Admin guides,
I created and publisked a decision tree. If I use the the global search on
the overview console I can locate and use the tree. If I go to an Incident 
Advanced Functions  Decision Tree. I get the following error

 

Unable to find a Decision Tree for this customer. The Decision Tree Window
will now close. (ARNOTE 45124). The customer in the tree is the same as in
the Incident. I have also tried setting the tree to -Global- and get the
same result. What am I missing?

 

ARS 7.6.04 SP3

ITSM 7.6.04 SP3

 

Thanks

Mark

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Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

Ah yeah we have that checked on all our servers too..

 

Joe

 

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Arner, Todd
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 3:35 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 

Yep, that did it.  You need to have perform check checked and then the Sync
Cache is enabled.  Thanks, Jason.

 

Todd

 

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:10 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 

** 

Actually I think it is more related to Perform Check.  I have the Sync Cache
option in environments where we have Preload on and off.  If I uncheck
Perform Check and save the Sync Cache button turns grey.

 

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Arner, Todd tar...@glhec.org wrote:

** 

Ah that may be why.  We do have preload turned on

 

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Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:01 PM


To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 

** 

I have seen it...  On the environments where we have Preload turned on.

 

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:

** 

I have always seen a progress bar after hitting Sync Cache - I'll take a
screen shot next time I have to use it if I remember to and send it to you
offline.

 

Joe

 

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Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:40 PM


To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 

** 

Ah.  So I see a bit of difference in our configurations.  Since this is Dev
we do not have Preload on.  I don't see a status bar when I press Sync
Cache.  If there were a status bar maybe it would take that long?  I just
know by the time I check the change in a browser the change is active.

 

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:

** 

Wow that's quick on 8 then. I'm quite certain its not that quick on 7.6.04.
Sometimes that progress bar moves a percentage every 3 or 4 or 5 seconds
resulting in it getting completed in anywhere between 5 to 10 minutes.

 

This is probably cause often I'm not the only developer on board and it
caches things that others have done too.

 

My hypotheses without really going through a SQL logging process is that it
probably takes quite some time for it to find the objects it needs to cache.

 

Joe

 

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Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:25 PM


To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

 

** 

I am not arguing the merits of the being able cache a single object or maybe
better yet a group of selected objects.  My experience with Sync Cache is it
is a sub 30 second process on AR 8.0 / MT 8.1.  In the last few days I have
repeatedly changed a form or AL, let it finish saving (AR server cache mode
is a factor here since the server cache needs to reflect the object has
changed), hit Sync Cache in IE, CTRL + F5 the form in Firefox.  I allow
minimal time between those steps.

 

Jason

 

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:

Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I noticed
the time it takes to flush the entire cache is not that significantly more
than using the Sync Cache.

My reasoning why that must be as it is, is that it still takes the system a
little bit of time to figure out what has changed. Sure the searches for
this might be optimized, but it's still a search to identify what needs to
be flushed. Even if the search takes only a minute, its still a minute more.

I'm guessing it takes a little more than a minute to identify what's
changed. On an average I have noticed that a Sync Cache operation takes
anywhere around 5 minutes or upwards.

The benefit of telling the Mid-Tier what to cache upfront, eliminates the
need for the Mid-Tier to search what it needs to cache.

PLUS while stuff is still being developed, there's a chance you do not want
to cache everything you just developed as you are still RD'ing it. So as a
developer if I want to cache just a single object or a selected list of
objects but not the rest that are newly created, I think it would be a huge
win if I could have that.

I think the Flush Cache and / or the Sync Cache operations are more ideal
for end of development cycles or end of day operations. Not middle of the
day when you have a team of developers who didn't want the MT cache flushed
waiting on it to finish its work. The single object flush idea would be
ideal

Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

LOL!  More than we would like :)   There might be an known issue that I am
not authorized to discuss but hopefully we'll there will be some relief
soon.

Also there was Ashutosh Deshpande's Midtier Cache Optimization
Revealed session
that had some great info on how to tune MT and minimize corruption.  I
believe much of the info is or will be released in the BMC Communities or
KB.

One big thing I learned is Window will kill a service after two minutes (if
I remember correctly) of not responding when stopping from the Services
console.  Use the Tomcat stop feature instead to allow Tomcat/MT to be
shutdown gracefully.


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Susan Palmer suzanpal...@gmail.comwrote:

 **
 cache corruption   Does that happen often?


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Jason Miller jason.mil...@gmail.comwrote:

 **
 When I do a cache flush a red message appears within moment saying it's
  done  I think the flush is done but that doesn't mean the cache has
 rebuilt.  Kind of like a toilet.  When you flush the water goes down fast
 but it might take a minute for the bowl to fill up again :)

 https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B74tdm250wuIbERiSGxNQi1fZ0k

 Yeah, with our ITSM 8.x prod we only flush at night or in times of
 emergency.  Too much impact otherwise.  Sync cache pretty much
 goes unnoticed unless cache corruption occurs.

 Jason


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Susan Palmer suzanpal...@gmail.comwrote:

 **
 When I do a cache flush a red message appears within moment saying it's
  done.  But that is false.  It seems to take about 15 minutes.  I do not
 see  any status bar.

 I did notice yesterday, since it was my first flush on our new
 production server that it affected users in the client and everyone got a
 timeout, not just mid-tier users (ps).  We'll call that learning curve!

 I have not tried the sync flush yet, I'll try that tonight.  I really
 hampers getting things in the system.

 Keep talking about mid-tier, I have a lot to learn!


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Jason Miller jason.mil...@gmail.comwrote:

 **
 Actually I think it is more related to Perform Check.  I have the Sync
 Cache option in environments where we have Preload on and off.  If I
 uncheck Perform Check and save the Sync Cache button turns grey.


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Arner, Todd tar...@glhec.org wrote:

 **

 Ah that may be why.  We do have preload turned on

 ** **

 *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:01 PM

 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache**
 **

 ** **

 ** 

 I have seen it...  On the environments where we have Preload turned on.
 

 ** **

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net
 wrote:

 ** 

 I have always seen a progress bar after hitting Sync Cache – I’ll take
 a screen shot next time I have to use it if I remember to and send it to
 you offline.

  

 Joe

  
  --

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 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:40 PM


 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache**
 **

  

 ** 

 Ah.  So I see a bit of difference in our configurations.  Since this
 is Dev we do not have Preload on.  I don't see a status bar when I press
 Sync Cache.  If there were a status bar maybe it would take that long?  I
 just know by the time I check the change in a browser the change is 
 active.
 

  

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net
 wrote:

 ** 

 Wow that’s quick on 8 then. I’m quite certain its not that quick on
 7.6.04. Sometimes that progress bar moves a percentage every 3 or 4 or 5
 seconds resulting in it getting completed in anywhere between 5 to 10
 minutes.

  

 This is probably cause often I’m not the only developer on board and
 it caches things that others have done too.

  

 My hypotheses without really going through a SQL logging process is
 that it probably takes quite some time for it to find the objects it needs
 to cache.

  

 Joe

  
  --

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 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:25 PM


 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache**
 **

  

 ** 

 I am not arguing the merits of the being able cache a single object or
 maybe better yet a group of selected objects.  My experience with Sync
 Cache is it is a sub 30 second process on AR 8.0 / MT 8.1.  In the last 
 few
 days I have repeatedly changed a form or AL, let it finish saving (AR
 server cache mode is a

Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

This is one of the items that we should be seeing a hot fix for sooon

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Susan Palmer
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:00 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: [arslist] Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**
cache corruption   Does that happen often?

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Jason Miller 
jason.mil...@gmail.commailto:jason.mil...@gmail.com wrote:
**
When I do a cache flush a red message appears within moment saying it's  done 
 I think the flush is done but that doesn't mean the cache has rebuilt.  Kind 
of like a toilet.  When you flush the water goes down fast but it might take a 
minute for the bowl to fill up again :)

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B74tdm250wuIbERiSGxNQi1fZ0k

Yeah, with our ITSM 8.x prod we only flush at night or in times of emergency.  
Too much impact otherwise.  Sync cache pretty much goes unnoticed unless cache 
corruption occurs.

Jason

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Susan Palmer 
suzanpal...@gmail.commailto:suzanpal...@gmail.com wrote:
**
When I do a cache flush a red message appears within moment saying it's  done.  
But that is false.  It seems to take about 15 minutes.  I do not see  any 
status bar.

I did notice yesterday, since it was my first flush on our new production 
server that it affected users in the client and everyone got a timeout, not 
just mid-tier users (ps).  We'll call that learning curve!

I have not tried the sync flush yet, I'll try that tonight.  I really hampers 
getting things in the system.

Keep talking about mid-tier, I have a lot to learn!

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Jason Miller 
jason.mil...@gmail.commailto:jason.mil...@gmail.com wrote:
**
Actually I think it is more related to Perform Check.  I have the Sync Cache 
option in environments where we have Preload on and off.  If I uncheck Perform 
Check and save the Sync Cache button turns grey.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Arner, Todd 
tar...@glhec.orgmailto:tar...@glhec.org wrote:
**
Ah that may be why.  We do have preload turned on

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Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:01 PM

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**
I have seen it...  On the environments where we have Preload turned on.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Joe D'Souza 
jdso...@shyle.netmailto:jdso...@shyle.net wrote:
**

I have always seen a progress bar after hitting Sync Cache - I'll take a screen 
shot next time I have to use it if I remember to and send it to you offline.

Joe

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
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Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:40 PM

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**
Ah.  So I see a bit of difference in our configurations.  Since this is Dev we 
do not have Preload on.  I don't see a status bar when I press Sync Cache.  If 
there were a status bar maybe it would take that long?  I just know by the time 
I check the change in a browser the change is active.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Joe D'Souza 
jdso...@shyle.netmailto:jdso...@shyle.net wrote:
**
Wow that's quick on 8 then. I'm quite certain its not that quick on 7.6.04. 
Sometimes that progress bar moves a percentage every 3 or 4 or 5 seconds 
resulting in it getting completed in anywhere between 5 to 10 minutes.

This is probably cause often I'm not the only developer on board and it caches 
things that others have done too.

My hypotheses without really going through a SQL logging process is that it 
probably takes quite some time for it to find the objects it needs to cache.

Joe

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason 
Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:25 PM

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache

**
I am not arguing the merits of the being able cache a single object or maybe 
better yet a group of selected objects.  My experience with Sync Cache is it is 
a sub 30 second process on AR 8.0 / MT 8.1.  In the last few days I have 
repeatedly changed a form or AL, let it finish saving (AR server cache mode is 
a factor here since the server cache needs to reflect the object has changed), 
hit Sync Cache in IE, CTRL + F5 the form in Firefox.  I allow minimal time 
between those steps.

Jason

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Joe D'Souza 
jdso...@shyle.netmailto:jdso...@shyle.net wrote:
Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I

Another Mid-tier cache question

2013-10-10 Thread Brittain, Mark

Hi All,

Is it safe to use Definition Change Check (Peform Check) with load balancers? 
When the dev and production ITSM servers were installed Perform Check was no 
selected. Don't know why it was done that way.

Later when I applied a patch to the mid-tier servers, BMC Support said I should 
select Perform Check. I did this on the development server which has one ar 
server, one mid-tier and no load balancers, but did not select Perform Check on 
production which is a VIP  load balanced to two mid-tiers which are load 
balanced to two ars servers in a server group.

Particularly with small changes I really like using change check/perform check 
on dev and would like to use on the production servers. Since I don't know why 
this was not originally set up that way I figured I would ask the group first.

ARS 7.6.06 SP3
Mid-Tier 7.6.06 SP4

Thanks
Mark


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Re: Decision Tree not working

2013-10-10 Thread Tauf Chowdhury

Mark, 
Do your folks have company restrictions in their People record or Unrestricted 
Access? If you have restrictions, go to the Knowledge Record (in this case, a 
decision tree) and click Visibility Groups (on the left I think). See if you 
can create a visibility group for -Global- or a specific company for your test 
case. 
So after I typed all this, I realized that while good info, you may be looking 
at the wrong decision tree! Even though RKM has a decision tree which you 
created, there is still the Incident Management decision tree. I think you are 
going to the IM decision tree. That needs to be configured in its own area. 
Let me know if this helps. 

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 On Oct 10, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Brittain, Mark mbritt...@navisite.com wrote:
 
 **
 Hi All,
  
 Venturing into Knowlege Management, after reading the User and Admin guides, 
 I created and publisked a decision tree. If I use the the global search on 
 the overview console I can locate and use the tree. If I go to an Incident  
 Advanced Functions  Decision Tree. I get the following error
  
 Unable to find a Decision Tree for this customer. The Decision Tree Window 
 will now close. (ARNOTE 45124). The customer in the tree is the same as in 
 the Incident. I have also tried setting the tree to -Global- and get the same 
 result. What am I missing?
  
 ARS 7.6.04 SP3
 ITSM 7.6.04 SP3
  
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Re: Another Mid-tier cache question

I won't pretend to answer this question for you - but this is my guess..

 

From what it looks like, this functionality performs a periodic check on the
AR Server, to check for changes in definitions, and collects that
information. This will in my opinion have some impact on performance.

 

So as long as that interval is relatively high, and set in such a way that
it occurs in periodic cycles when users are usually not online, it should be
fine. My guess is that when this box is checked and the interval is defined,
there is probably a definition check that happens that instant, followed
next by the interval that is defined. So if this is done lets say at 11:00
PM when most users are usually offline in that time zone, and the interval
is set for 86400 for the next check to happen at 11:00 PM the next night,
you might not have too much to worry about.

 

I would however not be comfortable doing it every few minutes, as it MAY
impact the performance of that particular mid-tier server in that load
balanced configuration..

 

Cheers

 

Joe

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brittain, Mark
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:34 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Another Mid-tier cache question

 

Hi All,

 

Is it safe to use Definition Change Check (Peform Check) with load
balancers? When the dev and production ITSM servers were installed Perform
Check was no selected. Don't know why it was done that way.

 

Later when I applied a patch to the mid-tier servers, BMC Support said I
should select Perform Check. I did this on the development server which has
one ar server, one mid-tier and no load balancers, but did not select
Perform Check on production which is a VIP  load balanced to two mid-tiers
which are load balanced to two ars servers in a server group.

 

Particularly with small changes I really like using change check/perform
check on dev and would like to use on the production servers. Since I don't
know why this was not originally set up that way I figured I would ask the
group first.

 

ARS 7.6.06 SP3

Mid-Tier 7.6.06 SP4

 

Thanks

Mark

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Re: Another Mid-tier cache question

Mark,
I agree with Joebut look at it this waythis check box tells the
Mid-Tier server to periodically check your Remedy server for definition
changes.  How often are definition changes made in your production
server?Weekly?  Monthly?  Quarterly?  You likely don't need an
automated 'check' to be turned on in production as it doesn't change very
often...and when it does, you can manually hit the 'sync' button.

Regarding the app server being behind a load balancer...no, that won't
affect things because regardless of which app node the mid-tier gets the
cache from, it should be 'correct' :)


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:

 **

 I won’t pretend to answer this question for you – but this is my guess..**
 **

 ** **

 From what it looks like, this functionality performs a periodic check on
 the AR Server, to check for changes in definitions, and collects that
 information. This will in my opinion have some impact on performance.

 ** **

 So as long as that interval is relatively high, and set in such a way that
 it occurs in periodic cycles when users are usually not online, it should
 be fine. My guess is that when this box is checked and the interval is
 defined, there is probably a definition check that happens that instant,
 followed next by the interval that is defined. So if this is done lets say
 at 11:00 PM when most users are usually offline in that time zone, and the
 interval is set for 86400 for the next check to happen at 11:00 PM the next
 night, you might not have too much to worry about.

 ** **

 I would however not be comfortable doing it every few minutes, as it MAY
 impact the performance of that particular mid-tier server in that load
 balanced configuration..

 ** **

 Cheers

 ** **

 Joe
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 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Brittain, Mark
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:34 PM
 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Another Mid-tier cache question

 ** **

 Hi All,

  

 Is it safe to use Definition Change Check (Peform Check) with load
 balancers? When the dev and production ITSM servers were installed Perform
 Check was no selected. Don't know why it was done that way.

  

 Later when I applied a patch to the mid-tier servers, BMC Support said I
 should select Perform Check. I did this on the development server which has
 one ar server, one mid-tier and no load balancers, but did
 not select Perform Check on production which is a VIP  load balanced to
 two mid-tiers which are load balanced to two ars servers in a server group.
 

  

 Particularly with small changes I really like using change check/perform
 check on dev and would like to use on the production servers. Since I don't
 know why this was not originally set up that way I figured I would ask the
 group first.

  

 ARS 7.6.06 SP3

 Mid-Tier 7.6.06 SP4

  

 Thanks

 Mark
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Re: Another Mid-tier cache question

2013-10-10 Thread ravi rai

LJ,We do Quarterly releases.After each release we do manual flush Cache .Is is 
safe to turn this option off.It might resolve cache corruption issues which we 
encounter almost every alternate week 
Ravi 

Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 14:57:48 -0600
From: lj.longw...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Another Mid-tier cache question
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG

**
Mark,I agree with Joebut look at it this waythis check box tells the 
Mid-Tier server to periodically check your Remedy server for definition 
changes.  How often are definition changes made in your production 
server?Weekly?  Monthly?  Quarterly?  You likely don't need an automated 
'check' to be turned on in production as it doesn't change very often...and 
when it does, you can manually hit the 'sync' button.

Regarding the app server being behind a load balancer...no, that won't affect 
things because regardless of which app node the mid-tier gets the cache from, 
it should be 'correct' :)

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:

**

I won’t pretend to answer this
question for you – but this is my guess..

From what it looks like, this functionality
performs a periodic check on the AR Server, to check for changes in definitions,
and collects that information. This will in my opinion have some impact on
performance.

So as long as that interval is relatively
high, and set in such a way that it occurs in periodic cycles when users are
usually not online, it should be fine. My guess is that when this box is
checked and the interval is defined, there is probably a definition check that
happens that instant, followed next by the interval that is defined. So if this
is done lets say at 11:00 PM when most users are usually offline in that time
zone, and the interval is set for 86400 for the next check to happen at 11:00
PM the next night, you might not have too much to worry about.

I would however not be comfortable doing it
every few minutes, as it MAY impact the performance of that particular mid-tier
server in that load balanced configuration..

Cheers

Joe

From: Action Request
System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of 
Brittain, Mark

Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013
4:34 PM

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG

Subject: Another Mid-tier cache
question

Hi All,

Is it safe to use Definition Change
Check (Peform Check) with load balancers? When the dev and production ITSM
servers were installed Perform Check was no selected. Don't know why it was
done that way.

Later when I applied a patch to the
mid-tier servers, BMC Support said I should select Perform Check. I did this on
the development server which has one ar server, one mid-tier and no load
balancers, but did not select Perform Check on production which
is a VIP  load balanced to two mid-tiers which are load balanced to two ars
servers in a server group.

Particularly with small changes I really
like using change check/perform check on dev and would like to use on the
production servers. Since I don't know why this was not originally set up that
way I figured I would ask the group first.

ARS 7.6.06 SP3

Mid-Tier 7.6.06 SP4

Thanks

Mark

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Re: Another Mid-tier cache question

Based on that scenario, and my understanding of how things work...yes, you
don't need to have the automatic check done periodically.  I can't speak to
the cache corruption, but one could surmise that if the cache is 'good',
and you aren't updating it, ever, then there would be no possibility of it
being corrupted:)


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:06 PM, ravi rai ravira...@hotmail.com wrote:

 **
 LJ,
 We do Quarterly releases.After each release we do manual flush Cache .
 Is is safe to turn this option off.
 It might resolve cache corruption issues which we encounter almost every
 alternate week

 Ravi


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 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 14:57:48 -0600
 From: lj.longw...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: Another Mid-tier cache question
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG

 **
 Mark,
 I agree with Joebut look at it this waythis check box tells the
 Mid-Tier server to periodically check your Remedy server for definition
 changes.  How often are definition changes made in your production
 server?Weekly?  Monthly?  Quarterly?  You likely don't need an
 automated 'check' to be turned on in production as it doesn't change very
 often...and when it does, you can manually hit the 'sync' button.

 Regarding the app server being behind a load balancer...no, that won't
 affect things because regardless of which app node the mid-tier gets the
 cache from, it should be 'correct' :)


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:

 **

 I won’t pretend to answer this question for you – but this is my guess..**
 **

 ** **

 From what it looks like, this functionality performs a periodic check on
 the AR Server, to check for changes in definitions, and collects that
 information. This will in my opinion have some impact on performance.

 ** **

 So as long as that interval is relatively high, and set in such a way that
 it occurs in periodic cycles when users are usually not online, it should
 be fine. My guess is that when this box is checked and the interval is
 defined, there is probably a definition check that happens that instant,
 followed next by the interval that is defined. So if this is done lets say
 at 11:00 PM when most users are usually offline in that time zone, and the
 interval is set for 86400 for the next check to happen at 11:00 PM the next
 night, you might not have too much to worry about.

 ** **

 I would however not be comfortable doing it every few minutes, as it MAY
 impact the performance of that particular mid-tier server in that load
 balanced configuration..

 ** **

 Cheers

 ** **

 Joe
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 *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Brittain, Mark
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:34 PM
 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Another Mid-tier cache question

 ** **

 Hi All,

  

 Is it safe to use Definition Change Check (Peform Check) with load
 balancers? When the dev and production ITSM servers were installed Perform
 Check was no selected. Don't know why it was done that way.

  

 Later when I applied a patch to the mid-tier servers, BMC Support said I
 should select Perform Check. I did this on the development server which has
 one ar server, one mid-tier and no load balancers, but did
 not select Perform Check on production which is a VIP  load balanced to
 two mid-tiers which are load balanced to two ars servers in a server group.
 

  

 Particularly with small changes I really like using change check/perform
 check on dev and would like to use on the production servers. Since I don't
 know why this was not originally set up that way I figured I would ask the
 group first.

  

 ARS 7.6.06 SP3

 Mid-Tier 7.6.06 SP4

  

 Thanks

 Mark
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Re: Another Mid-tier cache question

Like LJ said its best left off on production as your changes to Production
if your company follows a proper change process is minimal. And you Sync the
cache whenever there is a genuine change in the cache.

 

Joe

 

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of ravi rai
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 5:07 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Another Mid-tier cache question

 

LJ,

We do Quarterly releases.After each release we do manual flush Cache .

Is is safe to turn this option off.

It might resolve cache corruption issues which we encounter almost every
alternate week 

 

Ravi 

 

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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 14:57:48 -0600
From: lj.longw...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Another Mid-tier cache question
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG

** 

Mark,

I agree with Joebut look at it this waythis check box tells the
Mid-Tier server to periodically check your Remedy server for definition
changes.  How often are definition changes made in your production
server?Weekly?  Monthly?  Quarterly?  You likely don't need an automated
'check' to be turned on in production as it doesn't change very often...and
when it does, you can manually hit the 'sync' button.

 

Regarding the app server being behind a load balancer...no, that won't
affect things because regardless of which app node the mid-tier gets the
cache from, it should be 'correct' :)

 

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:

** 

I won't pretend to answer this question for you - but this is my guess..

 

From what it looks like, this functionality performs a periodic check on the
AR Server, to check for changes in definitions, and collects that
information. This will in my opinion have some impact on performance.

 

So as long as that interval is relatively high, and set in such a way that
it occurs in periodic cycles when users are usually not online, it should be
fine. My guess is that when this box is checked and the interval is defined,
there is probably a definition check that happens that instant, followed
next by the interval that is defined. So if this is done lets say at 11:00
PM when most users are usually offline in that time zone, and the interval
is set for 86400 for the next check to happen at 11:00 PM the next night,
you might not have too much to worry about.

 

I would however not be comfortable doing it every few minutes, as it MAY
impact the performance of that particular mid-tier server in that load
balanced configuration..

 

Cheers

 

Joe

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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brittain, Mark
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:34 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Another Mid-tier cache question

 

Hi All,

 

Is it safe to use Definition Change Check (Peform Check) with load
balancers? When the dev and production ITSM servers were installed Perform
Check was no selected. Don't know why it was done that way.

 

Later when I applied a patch to the mid-tier servers, BMC Support said I
should select Perform Check. I did this on the development server which has
one ar server, one mid-tier and no load balancers, but did not select
Perform Check on production which is a VIP  load balanced to two mid-tiers
which are load balanced to two ars servers in a server group.

 

Particularly with small changes I really like using change check/perform
check on dev and would like to use on the production servers. Since I don't
know why this was not originally set up that way I figured I would ask the
group first.

 

ARS 7.6.06 SP3

Mid-Tier 7.6.06 SP4

 

Thanks

Mark

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Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_

 

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Re: Another Mid-tier cache question

It would be nice if this option came with a indicator of what time will the
next flush happen so that the mid-tier administrator would have a better
visible control of what to set as an interval when setting this in non
production environments.

 

Joe

 

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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of LJ LongWing
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:58 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Another Mid-tier cache question

 

** 

Mark,

I agree with Joebut look at it this waythis check box tells the
Mid-Tier server to periodically check your Remedy server for definition
changes.  How often are definition changes made in your production
server?Weekly?  Monthly?  Quarterly?  You likely don't need an automated
'check' to be turned on in production as it doesn't change very often...and
when it does, you can manually hit the 'sync' button.

 

Regarding the app server being behind a load balancer...no, that won't
affect things because regardless of which app node the mid-tier gets the
cache from, it should be 'correct' :)

 

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:

** 

I won't pretend to answer this question for you - but this is my guess..

 

From what it looks like, this functionality performs a periodic check on the
AR Server, to check for changes in definitions, and collects that
information. This will in my opinion have some impact on performance.

 

So as long as that interval is relatively high, and set in such a way that
it occurs in periodic cycles when users are usually not online, it should be
fine. My guess is that when this box is checked and the interval is defined,
there is probably a definition check that happens that instant, followed
next by the interval that is defined. So if this is done lets say at 11:00
PM when most users are usually offline in that time zone, and the interval
is set for 86400 for the next check to happen at 11:00 PM the next night,
you might not have too much to worry about.

 

I would however not be comfortable doing it every few minutes, as it MAY
impact the performance of that particular mid-tier server in that load
balanced configuration..

 

Cheers

 

Joe

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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brittain, Mark
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:34 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Another Mid-tier cache question

 

Hi All,

 

Is it safe to use Definition Change Check (Peform Check) with load
balancers? When the dev and production ITSM servers were installed Perform
Check was no selected. Don't know why it was done that way.

 

Later when I applied a patch to the mid-tier servers, BMC Support said I
should select Perform Check. I did this on the development server which has
one ar server, one mid-tier and no load balancers, but did not select
Perform Check on production which is a VIP  load balanced to two mid-tiers
which are load balanced to two ars servers in a server group.

 

Particularly with small changes I really like using change check/perform
check on dev and would like to use on the production servers. Since I don't
know why this was not originally set up that way I figured I would ask the
group first.

 

ARS 7.6.06 SP3

Mid-Tier 7.6.06 SP4

 

Thanks

Mark

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Re: Another Mid-tier cache question

That would be nice.


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:

 **

 It would be nice if this option came with a indicator of what time will
 the next flush happen so that the mid-tier administrator would have a
 better visible control of what to set as an interval when setting this in
 non production environments.

 ** **

 Joe

 ** **
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 *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *LJ LongWing
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:58 PM

 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Re: Another Mid-tier cache question
 

  ** **

 ** 

 Mark,

 I agree with Joebut look at it this waythis check box tells the
 Mid-Tier server to periodically check your Remedy server for definition
 changes.  How often are definition changes made in your production
 server?Weekly?  Monthly?  Quarterly?  You likely don't need an
 automated 'check' to be turned on in production as it doesn't change very
 often...and when it does, you can manually hit the 'sync' button.

 ** **

 Regarding the app server being behind a load balancer...no, that won't
 affect things because regardless of which app node the mid-tier gets the
 cache from, it should be 'correct' :)

 ** **

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote:***
 *

 ** 

 I won’t pretend to answer this question for you – but this is my guess..**
 **

  

 From what it looks like, this functionality performs a periodic check on
 the AR Server, to check for changes in definitions, and collects that
 information. This will in my opinion have some impact on performance.

  

 So as long as that interval is relatively high, and set in such a way that
 it occurs in periodic cycles when users are usually not online, it should
 be fine. My guess is that when this box is checked and the interval is
 defined, there is probably a definition check that happens that instant,
 followed next by the interval that is defined. So if this is done lets say
 at 11:00 PM when most users are usually offline in that time zone, and the
 interval is set for 86400 for the next check to happen at 11:00 PM the next
 night, you might not have too much to worry about.

  

 I would however not be comfortable doing it every few minutes, as it MAY
 impact the performance of that particular mid-tier server in that load
 balanced configuration..

  

 Cheers

  

 Joe
  --

 *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
 arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Brittain, Mark
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:34 PM
 *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 *Subject:* Another Mid-tier cache question

  

 Hi All,

  

 Is it safe to use Definition Change Check (Peform Check) with load
 balancers? When the dev and production ITSM servers were installed Perform
 Check was no selected. Don't know why it was done that way.

  

 Later when I applied a patch to the mid-tier servers, BMC Support said I
 should select Perform Check. I did this on the development server which has
 one ar server, one mid-tier and no load balancers, but did
 not select Perform Check on production which is a VIP  load balanced to
 two mid-tiers which are load balanced to two ars servers in a server group.
 

  

 Particularly with small changes I really like using change check/perform
 check on dev and would like to use on the production servers. Since I don't
 know why this was not originally set up that way I figured I would ask the
 group first.

  

 ARS 7.6.06 SP3

 Mid-Tier 7.6.06 SP4

  

 Thanks

 Mark

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 Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_

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Re: Another Mid-tier cache question