[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, John C. LiDestri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read two interesting quotes the other day which relate to your comments: Quotationspages.com has a great collection, including: Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up. (Edison) Then off to Bob Dylan: What's money? A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do. Before the 'net, used to get forbes just to read the quotes at the end. Speaking of Edison, I dragged my kids off to the Edison Winter Lab in Fort Meyers recently. Another example how a city can ruin what was a great visit whne I was a kid. Ripped us off for about $14 apiece for the musuem and lab. The lab tour was about 4 minutes and somehow they hid the entire collection of crap they used have on display. And of course you wind up in the store at the end. dad, do I really care if that was Edison's bed... so he proceeded to give me sh_t for 1/2 hour. If I read the edison/ford foundation notes correctly, they now have arond 60 full-time employees and about 100 volunteers. I never got to the budget and salaries. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quotationspages.com has a great collection, including: I read the quotes I posted in a book called the 4 hour work week by timothy ferriss, the book is loaded with great quotes.I highly reccomend it. I have not cut my work week to 4 hours yet, but it has given me some ideas on how I can decrease my work time which I have already implemented. John Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] A.P. Little League protest Friday--please join us
Hi Group members, As a citizen and taxpayer, and not as a BOE member, I wanted you to know that Danny McKee and the Little League parents are planning a protest rally at the Little League field (6th Ave. at Memorial Dr.) this coming Friday at 1:15 PM. The new State monitor, Mr. Mark Cowell, confronted by evidence that the 1997 two million dollar bond issue approved by the voters included funds to refurbish that Little League Field by Deal Lake, refuses to back off his decision scrapping two and a half years of hard work and fund-raising by Danny and the parents and friends of Little League. Mr. Cowell, here in Asbury Park for just weeks, apparently refuses to be confused by decade-old facts. Danny expects this to be a protest with media present. If some minor miracle occurs to change Mr. Cowell's mind between now and then, there will still be a rally, but more along the lines of a celebration. That prospect is highly unlikely at this point. We ask that you join us at the protest, if you can, at 1:15 PM, Friday, December 14. Bring a sign, or your voice, your indignation, your resolve or all of these things. Frank D'Alessandro Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
Doesn't this whole issue point out the inadequacies of a city with a part time administration? Too many things are falling thru the cracks here, as they have for a very long time. For example, what is going on with The Metropolitan demolition? That building is rapidly falling apart...but what is being done about it? Why did it take 2 months to get 2 lights fixed? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about Dan S. for Deputy Mayor/ Like Bush/Cheney or Sanders/Bruno. Anyone want to guess what I'm implying? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, John C. LiDestri john@ wrote: By the way, I liked your suggestion of Dan for mayortoo bad he didn't bite! John Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Beach Cinema a Model for AP?
Folks at Bradley's Beach Cinema keep quietly doing their thing, and I'm assuming they're very successful at it. Lines to buy tickets, even during the week. Clean theater. Less is More. They are a mom pop operation as far as I know. Here's their weekend line-up. Although I've seen these two on TV, I've never seen them on the big screen. How much better if such screenings were given a shot in AP so that our businesses could benefit from the pre- and post movie sidewalk traffic. Pasted from Google: _ 13 reviews_ (http://www.google.com/movies/reviews?cid=b00e4225f53f2890oi=moviesrhl=en) _Singin' in the Rain_ (http://www.google.com/movies?hl=ennear=07712sort=2date=2mid=c6d3e59ad0e50a45) 1hr 42min - _IMDb_ (http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045152/sa=Xoi=moviesiii=5usg=AFQjCNH8SnKcdIh8HMpsBw6h6WCiPXP__g) _Beach Cinema_ (http://www.google.com/movies?hl=ennear=07712sort=2date=2tid=bd55c2632dff7b8b) 110 Main St., Bradley Beach, NJ, USA - _Map_ (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=loc:+110+Main+St.+Bradley+Beach+NJ+07720+US+(Beach+Cinema)oi=moviesp) 7:20_ 31 reviews_ (http://www.google.com/movies/reviews?cid=b27e86d7a798814coi=moviesrhl=en) _Casablanca_ (http://www.google.com/movies?hl=ennear=07712sort=2date=2mid=5e49b72f6eab965e) 1hr 42min - Rated PG - Drama/Romance - _IMDb_ (http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0034583/sa=Xoi=moviesiii=5usg=AFQjCNHPs8rjUB3NpC n6jH_VyfyExWnkzA) _Beach Cinema_ (http://www.google.com/movies?hl=ennear=07712sort=2date=2tid=bd55c2632dff7b8b) 110 Main St., Bradley Beach, NJ, USA - _Map_ (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=loc:+110+Main+St.+Bradley+Beach+NJ+07720+US+(Beach+Cinema)oi=moviesp) 9:10 **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Parade
Asbury Park to throw parade saluting young football heroes By NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU City and school officials announced Tuesday that a parade to honor the championship Asbury Park High School and Pop Warner Blue Bishop football teams will begin at 1 p.m. Dec. 22 at Bangs and DeWitt avenues. The parade will follow a route east on Bangs to Main Street, then Cookman Avenue, Grand Avenue and Fifth Avenue, ending up at Convention Hall, where a celebration will be held, Deputy Mayor James Bruno said. The high school team, under new coach Don Sofilkanich, went 11-1 and on Nov. 30 won the NJSIAA Central Jersey Group I championship, the school's first sectional title since 1984. A week later, the Pop Warner Pee Wee team, under coach Syron Davis, won the national championship the Division II Pee Wee title Dec. 7 in Lake Buena Vista, Fla. Bruno, whose late father, William Butch Bruno, was an Asbury Park High School football coach, flew to Florida to see the Pee Wees' championship game, and said Tuesday of both teams' wins: Seeing and living this just brings it home to me. It is a tremendous accomplishment for both the high school and Pop Warner teams, said acting Schools Superintendent James Parham. Assistant City Manager James Famularo said the Pop Warner organization received $31,000 in donations for the trip to Florida and spent $22,500. That $31,000 did not include a $5,000 commitment from the Berkeley hotel, he said. Famularo said part of the leftover money will be used to buy the players team jackets, and the rest will be used to start up a Pop Warner fund for next year's teams. Madison Marquette, one of the city's beachfront developers, is providing the food for the celebration. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't this whole issue point out the inadequacies of a city with a part time administration? We have a full-time city manager. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about Dan S. for Deputy Mayor/ Like Bush/Cheney or Sanders/Bruno. Anyone want to guess what I'm implying? That I would be a bigger prick than Guiliani. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
Yeah, but is a full-time city manager enough for a city such as ours? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Doesn't this whole issue point out the inadequacies of a city with a part time administration? We have a full-time city manager. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We pack their pasta sauce as well as their salsa. thanks. The Weg's Tomato basil is a great starter in our house if I don't make my own. whatsamattau! nicea jewish boy donno howwa to maka di sauce? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but is a full-time city manager enough for a city such as ours? Would it be any different from a full time mayor? Or are you suggesting that we redo the government structure and have a full time mayor with full time council members from each ward? More taxes? All it takes is for whoever is in charge, and in our case that is ultimately the council, to do what needs to be done. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
I think the think that bothers people the most is that - at least from an outsider's perspective - it doesn't appear that the Council holds Asbury Partners accountable for either their actions or the contract originally signed. There has been too many loopholes, including those set up in the original deal which gave them leeway in case of lawsuits, which have really kept things moving at a snail's pace. People seem to believe that doing things in Asbury Park needs to take 5 years for every one year that is needed elsewhere for similar projects. Jack Pitzer wrote: I'm not sure what the answer is. What do you think needs to change about the council for them to be more effective? Am I wrong, and the council is doing a fine job? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the think that bothers people the most is that - at least from an outsider's perspective - it doesn't appear that the Council holds Asbury Partners accountable for either their actions or the contract originally signed. I think that has been for true for a few reasons, but I think it is beginning to change. Firstly, I think the council, like most long-time APers feared more litigation. Afraid to rock the boat. That began to change as Partners jerked the council's chain for a few years. Secondly, I think they were and have been given bad legal advice from Aaron, or at least the advice that there was nothing they could do. There has been too many loopholes, including those set up in the original deal which gave them leeway in case of lawsuits, which have really kept things moving at a snail's pace. This is a point I always come back to when I assess Aaron. Although I think some things surrounding the deal smell to high heaven it is all circumstantial. But in the end I always come back to the fact that Aaron let the city sign an agreement that halted all time frame requirements (what little there were) if there was litigation against the WRP when there was in fact such litigation in existence at the time. So in essence, time frame were halted the moment the agreement was signed. Aaron knew or should have know. Its one or the other. So, my first recommendation to the city is to get a new redevelopment attorney. I would want a heavy weight - McCarter English, a heavy weight in the US and NJ. It won't be cheap, but will be money well spent. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Beach Cinema a Model for AP?
As optimistic as this sounds, I think there's a couple of problems. Bradley has an advantage that if you go see a movie at that theater, you can stay parked and walk to a wide variety of restaurants. Currently, we only have one viable movie theater, The Paramount. Not too many places that you can walk to from there. Also, people don't go to the movies like they used to. It's getting increasingly hard for movie theaters to stay profitable. One benefit that Bradley has is that theater has been in continuous operation for many many years. You need that kind of consistency to stay viable. AP isn't established itself as a place to go see movies, and I tend to think that getting people to start doing so would be an uphill battle considering the other options already available. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks at Bradley's Beach Cinema keep quietly doing their thing, and I'm assuming they're very successful at it. Lines to buy tickets, even during the week. Clean theater. Less is More. They are a mom pop operation as far as I know. Here's their weekend line-up. Although I've seen these two on TV, I've never seen them on the big screen. How much better if such screenings were given a shot in AP so that our businesses could benefit from the pre- and post movie sidewalk traffic. Pasted from Google: _ 13 reviews_ (http://www.google.com/movies/reviews?cid=b00e4225f53f2890oi=moviesrhl=en) _Singin' in the Rain_ (http://www.google.com/movies?hl=ennear=07712sort=2date=2mid=c6d3e59ad0e50a45) 1hr 42min - _IMDb_ (http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045152/sa=Xoi=moviesiii=5usg=AFQjCNH8SnKcdIh8HMpsBw6h6WCiPXP__g) _Beach Cinema_ (http://www.google.com/movies?hl=ennear=07712sort=2date=2tid=bd55c2632dff7b8b) 110 Main St., Bradley Beach, NJ, USA - _Map_ (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=loc:+110+Main+St.+Bradley+Beach+NJ+07720+US+(Beach+Cinema)oi=moviesp) 7:20_ 31 reviews_ (http://www.google.com/movies/reviews?cid=b27e86d7a798814coi=moviesrhl=en) _Casablanca_ (http://www.google.com/movies?hl=ennear=07712sort=2date=2mid=5e49b72f6eab965e) 1hr 42min - Rated PG - Drama/Romance - _IMDb_ (http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0034583/sa=Xoi=moviesiii=5usg=AFQjCNHPs8rjUB3NpC n6jH_VyfyExWnkzA) _Beach Cinema_ (http://www.google.com/movies?hl=ennear=07712sort=2date=2tid=bd55c2632dff7b8b) 110 Main St., Bradley Beach, NJ, USA - _Map_ (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=loc:+110+Main+St.+Bradley+Beach+NJ+07720+US+(Beach+Cinema)oi=moviesp) 9:10 **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] FYI
December 12, 2007 Hoboken's Rebirth Fuels School Aid Formula Fight By WINNIE HU HOBOKEN, N.J. In the early 1970s, Hoboken was so broken down that some residents feared for their lives. Crime and arson were rampant, and those who could afford to fled to neighboring towns like Secaucus. But gleaming restaurants and luxury condominiums now beckon affluent newcomers to Hoboken, like Gov. Jon S. Corzine, who keeps an apartment there. And the city's public school system, which once educated Frank Sinatra, is going through a renaissance, with enrollment growing to 1,874 students this fall, after years of decline. Hoboken's rags-to-riches transformation is often cited by critics of New Jersey's so-called Abbott system, in which 31 historically poor urban school districts receive the bulk of state school financing, to illustrate its shortcomings. Cities like Hoboken, these critics say, are no longer impoverished enough to merit special treatment. Hoboken is exactly why we need a new school funding formula, said Assemblyman Bill Baroni, a Republican from Mercer County. Hoboken has been blessed by an economic renaissance that a lot of other towns have not seen. That's why we need to make a new formula that talks about kids and not ZIP codes. Governor Corzine is expected to officially unveil a new school-financing proposal on Wednesday that would shift the emphasis away from the Abbott system which takes its name from a landmark New Jersey Supreme Court case by directing at least $400 million in new state education money to poor students who live outside the Abbott districts. But Abbott districts say that academic achievement has risen significantly under the system and that they should not be penalized in an effort to expand benefits to the state's 584 other districts in rural and suburban areas. They also say that rising property values do not always mean more money for schools. In Hoboken, for example, school officials said that a majority of their students come from housing projects, not the upscale condos whose owners often send their children to private or parochial schools. Seventy-five percent of the district's students are poor enough to qualify for free or reduced lunch, the seventh-highest level among all Abbott districts, according to state statistics. Union City is first, with 92.7 percent, followed by Passaic (84.7 percent) and Asbury Park (81.9 percent). Jack Raslowsky, the Hoboken schools superintendent, said that another point lost in the political rhetoric is that Hoboken receives far less state aid than the other Abbott districts. In the district's $54 million budget, state aid accounted for just $12.4 million, of which only $4.2 million for preschool programs was tied to its Abbott status. The local share of contributions was $35 million. But because it is an Abbott district, Hoboken's school construction projects are paid for by the state. This year, an $8.5 million renovation was completed on the Calabro elementary school. In the last five years, the state has spent $18 million to bring the district's six schools up to health and safety standards, which included repairing leaking roofs and replacing windows and boilers. The state has also agreed to renovate the Connors elementary school and the Brandt middle school and build a new $25 million school complex that will include high school and elementary school buildings and athletic fields to accommodate the growing enrollment, particularly in the preschool and lower grades. But those projects were suspended last year after the state ran out of money, and with the current debate over financing for Abbott districts, their future remains uncertain. Hoboken school officials say they cannot afford to pay for the new complex without state assistance. Mr. Raslowsky said that because they are in an Abbott district, his schools have been subject to more rigorous academic and financial oversight. In return, he said, he expects the state to follow through on its commitment to improve the district. We've been promised this great banquet, he said. We've finished the appetizers, but there's still the meal to go and we're hungry. David Sciarra, an advocate for the children of the Abbott districts, called the criticisms of Hoboken a red herring because the district receives so little Abbott aid. More important, he said, were the educational reforms introduced under Abbott to address decades of neglect and concentrated poverty in urban schools. One such reform is the focus on preschool programs in Abbott districts. The Legislature could remove Hoboken from Abbott, but it must have a plan in place to continue those educational reforms, he said. At the Connors elementary school, which overlooks a housing project, the 300 students were supposed to move into temporary classrooms this September while their century-old building was being renovated. When the renovation was suspended, students stayed where they were and the building remained in
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
I'm not sure what the answer is. What do you think needs to change about the council for them to be more effective? Am I wrong, and the council is doing a fine job? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Yeah, but is a full-time city manager enough for a city such as ours? Would it be any different from a full time mayor? Or are you suggesting that we redo the government structure and have a full time mayor with full time council members from each ward? More taxes? All it takes is for whoever is in charge, and in our case that is ultimately the council, to do what needs to be done. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
No. I was implying that Deputy Bruno and Vice President Cheney really run the show. So, I was implying that you need your puppet. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 rook782@ wrote: How about Dan S. for Deputy Mayor/ Like Bush/Cheney or Sanders/Bruno. Anyone want to guess what I'm implying? That I would be a bigger prick than Guiliani. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. I was implying that Deputy Bruno and Vice President Cheney really run the show. So, I was implying that you need your puppet. It was a feeble attempt at humor on my part. I would not like to seek public office but help where I could to whoever is in office. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
Maybe a look into the people holding the positions, not the structure. Let's face it, the manager has our finances a mess and the end in site was the condos. It is going to take a while for building to return. - Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:38:45 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but is a full-time city manager enough for a city such as ours? Would it be any different from a full time mayor? Or are you suggesting that we redo the government structure and have a full time mayor with full time council members from each ward? More taxes? All it takes is for whoever is in charge, and in our case that is ultimately the council, to do what needs to be done. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[AsburyPark] Esperanza / AP front page of today's Star Ledger
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news- 12/1197440355201690.xmlcoll=1 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Exxon
Exxon plans natural gas terminal off N.J. IRVING, Texas, Dec. 12 (UPI) -- Exxon Mobil Corp. plans to build a $1 billion floating natural gas terminal 20 miles off the New Jersey coast, the multinational U.S. energy giant said. The boatlike terminal, dubbed BlueOcean Energy, would be the first East Coast terminal to handle liquefied natural gas built in three decades. Its gas would connect through an underwater pipeline to an existing network that feeds New York and New Jersey, two of the top consumer markets in North America, the Irving, Texas, company said. Liquefied natural gas doesn't raise the same pollution concerns as crude oil but some critics say such terminals can still be environmentally disruptive, The Wall Street Journal reported. Opponents also cite the potential for leaks, fires, explosions or terrorist bombings near populated areas, The New York Times reported. Since 2002, federal and state authorities have approved 18 new liquefied gas terminals around the country, including four offshore, the Times said. Exxon has built, or is in the process of building, LNG terminals in Texas, Wales and Italy, the Journal said. BlueOcean Energy would be situated about 20 miles east of Asbury Park, N.J., and 30 miles south of Long Island, N.Y. If approved, it would go into service in the middle of the next decade, ExxonMobil said Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
thanks. The Weg's Tomato basil is a great starter in our house if I don't make my own. whatsamattau! nicea jewish boy donno howwa to maka di sauce? John has done a wonderful job. One ting about Weg's, they have made you feel comfortable to buy their brand. The same thing has to happen in AP - you have to be comfortable with the brand - many are, you just need the next 2 rounds. For $1.50 plus whatever's in the cabinet - it works when time counts. The big decision was wondering what the difference was between the Fracesco Rinaldi on sale at wegs for .99 vs the Weg's brand. I got my answer. ): Nice Jewish Boy Tip: Matzah Meal instead of Italian bread crumbs for frying the chick in Weg's olive oil or for mixing the meatballs. I also make the best potato pancakes... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Exxon
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exxon plans natural gas terminal off N.J. Good. Take some of that oil money build Exxon a corporate office on Dan's dream spot - the One Muni Plaza. Let dan take the first swing with the wrecking ball. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza / AP front page of today's Star Ledger
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, John C. LiDestri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news- 12/1197440355201690.xmlcoll=1 One of the big issues is NOT to allow it to be redesigned in such a way you wind up with something that looks like Asbury Towers. They have to lower the entry costs and rethink the 3 packages they offered which weren't that special to begin with for a million $ buyer. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Time to Fix Some Mistakes
I can only think of one statement, coming to mind; Hindsight is 20/20! What else can I say? Werner, you laid it out for them, but did anyone listen? No, but they FIND time, to hassle you and anyone else, that they feel threatened by! To the City: We told you so! We need REAL law and order and what do we get? 2 mounted police parading around, like we're Mayberry, Broken lights, rubbish and graffitti in the park! No offense to the police, who probably mean well. We need a Little League field in working order. What do we get? Major hassles and bills, from an uncaring law firm! Where do we find these people? No offense to any Member of the Board, who also need a permanent office, having had theirs taken, by emminent domain! So what do we, as ordinary citizens do? Our Council has had bad advice! No offense to any member of the Council, for trying! We live in an era, where no one takes the blame, for their actions. I've decided, no one's to blame; let's just erase the board and begin over! Okay, let the games and the flames, begin! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot about this one, another 'keeper'.. A Little Bit of Knowledge is a Dangerous Thing http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/1242 Five years ago. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Great observation Oak, a read through the 'Archives' is eye opening. Here's a gem I found: Destruction of an american Icon http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/1200 Sums up how we got to where we are today. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Beach Cinema a Model for AP?
In a message dated 12/12/2007 10:40:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As optimistic as this sounds, I think there's a couple of problems. Bradley has an advantage that if you go see a movie at that theater, you can stay parked and walk to a wide variety of restaurants. Currently, we only have one viable movie theater, The Paramount. Not too many places that you can walk to from there. Also, people don't go to the movies like they used to. It's getting increasingly hard for movie theaters to stay profitable. One benefit that Bradley has is that theater has been in continuous operation for many many years. You need that kind of consistency to stay viable. AP isn't established itself as a place to go see movies, and I tend to think that getting people to start doing so would be an uphill battle considering the other options already available. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ma Folks at Bradley's Beach Cinema keep quietly doing their thing, and I'm Everything here is an uphill battle -- comes with the territory of renaissance/redevelopment. As a layman, I'd say we should welcome more out-of-the-box creativity: retailers other than boutiques and antiques, meat 'n' potatoes eateries in addition to fine fare restaurants, and possibly a small (non-teenage) movie house in the shopping district. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Good bye Johnny on the Spot
Drove past ESP this morning - The worker's port-a-potties were being hauled away. And looked like some metal was being secured/packed on racks. Office closed up. Someone told me the sales team had no clue. They were called Fri and told don't come to work the next day. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Good bye Johnny on the Spot
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Drove past ESP this morning - The worker's port-a-potties were being hauled away. And looked like some metal was being secured/packed on racks. Office closed up. Someone told me the sales team had no clue. They were called Fri and told don't come to work the next day. Total BS about reorg. Why would you shut your sales office? We will suffer for the lack of guarantees. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Beach Cinema a Model for AP?
Beach Cinema has worked as it is lcoated in what you'd call a safe family area. Then you have Vic's, which hasn't been the same since the old man died and they're trying to make more $. I actaully walked out about 1.5 years ago, when the pizza was so bad I actaully walked bck to the kitchen. Sure enough, the original overns were gone. I asked the waitress if they changed the ovens and she swore they didn't. Well, they almost fixed whatever they screwed up and at least the great flavor is back. Get their antipasto salad (large). Good for 4, but my daughter and now son knock it off. And get the thick crust, even though that is still real thin. It deosn't run the same as when Vic was there, but you can to a movie then there or there then a movie. And the bar is a classic. I just wish they never cleaned the place up so much. The garlic smell used to hang in the air. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Good bye Johnny on the Spot
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Total BS about reorg. Why would you shut your sales office? We will suffer for the lack of guarantees. Exactly. Sales office, at least skeleton staff should remain. Also, see Maureen's piece on asburyradio.com. Hey Maureen, who softend you up? It almost came across like a PR piece. ): Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Beach Cinema a Model for AP?
In my opinion, the most out of the box thing that would have a huge impact on AP would be something like a House of Blues, like I mentioned before. If one of those were built here, it would definitely succeed and probably jumpstart many other things. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/12/2007 10:40:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As optimistic as this sounds, I think there's a couple of problems. Bradley has an advantage that if you go see a movie at that theater, you can stay parked and walk to a wide variety of restaurants. Currently, we only have one viable movie theater, The Paramount. Not too many places that you can walk to from there. Also, people don't go to the movies like they used to. It's getting increasingly hard for movie theaters to stay profitable. One benefit that Bradley has is that theater has been in continuous operation for many many years. You need that kind of consistency to stay viable. AP isn't established itself as a place to go see movies, and I tend to think that getting people to start doing so would be an uphill battle considering the other options already available. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , MarioAPNJ@, Ma Folks at Bradley's Beach Cinema keep quietly doing their thing, and I'm Everything here is an uphill battle -- comes with the territory of renaissance/redevelopment. As a layman, I'd say we should welcome more out-of-the-box creativity: retailers other than boutiques and antiques, meat 'n' potatoes eateries in addition to fine fare restaurants, and possibly a small (non-teenage) movie house in the shopping district. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Ocean Twp is getting what AP needed
Kohl's Dept store will be opening in Middlebrook Shopping Center pending Twp approval. I can think of 2 places where Kohl's would of been nice. 1. Where Lifestyles is 30,000 sq ft 2. From another view - Steinbach's - had it been left all for retail. That as well could be considered failed as there are roughly 38 of 63 vacant apartments and was a couple years behind. Also, overpriced. My thought. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
I for one don't think so! I believe that there's a whole lot, we don't know! Just like the White House; it's a secret! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the think that bothers people the most is that - at least from an outsider's perspective - it doesn't appear that the Council holds Asbury Partners accountable for either their actions or the contract originally signed. There has been too many loopholes, including those set up in the original deal which gave them leeway in case of lawsuits, which have really kept things moving at a snail's pace. People seem to believe that doing things in Asbury Park needs to take 5 years for every one year that is needed elsewhere for similar projects. Jack Pitzer wrote: I'm not sure what the answer is. What do you think needs to change about the council for them to be more effective? Am I wrong, and the council is doing a fine job? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
LOL! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 rook782@ wrote: How about Dan S. for Deputy Mayor/ Like Bush/Cheney or Sanders/Bruno. Anyone want to guess what I'm implying? That I would be a bigger prick than Guiliani. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Beach Cinema a Model for AP?
In a message dated 12/12/2007 1:53:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the most out of the box thing that would have a huge impact on AP would be something like a House of Blues, like I mentioned before. I'm all for more and varied music venues also. Someplace to go after the movies grin . **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Beach Cinema a Model for AP?
In a message dated 12/12/2007 1:55:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Beach Cinema has worked as it is lcoated in what you'd call a safe family area. And Clearview in RB, showing non-cineplex films, is also considered safe, I guess; though the shootings going on in middle America -- malls, etc., safe is probably an illusion anywhere. But aren't we going for the safe label too? More places cookin' on Cookman, more sidewalk activity, adds to that feeling. Actually, when I leave a late show at Beach Cinema or RB's Clearview, there isn't much happening on the street. People hustle off to their cars. Cookman already has more activity than those two areas. It's what you said about slowly building the confidence factor for out-of-towners. Then you have Vic's, which hasn't been the same since the old man died and they're trying to make more $. Weg's basil marinara is better than Vic's. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Re: Beach Cinema a Model for AP?
Beach Cinema has worked as it is lcoated in what you'd call a safe family area. And Clearview in RB, How about Bueno Sera, starbucks, no joe, Ashes, teak, red, bisto, diner, zebu, basils, pastariaand more. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Beach Cinema a Model for AP?
In a message dated 12/12/2007 3:01:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about Bueno Sera, starbucks, no joe, Ashes, teak, red, bisto, diner, zebu, basils, pastariadiner, ze I meant the immediate feel you get when you walk out of CV. Personally I go for the Dublin or Murphy's; I like their atmosphere and they're closest. Last trip to Dublin tavern, it was dead at 4-5 in the afternoon-- strange. Love those Irish proverbs on the walls, but can never remember them. Cheers! **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Beach Cinema a Model for AP?
In a message dated 12/12/2007 1:55:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Beach Cinema has worked as it is lcoated in what you'd call a safe family area. And Clearview in RB, showing non-cineplex films, is also considered safe, I guess; though the shootings going on in middle America -- malls, etc., safe is probably an illusion anywhere. But aren't we going for the safe label too? More places cookin' on Cookman, more sidewalk activity, adds to that feeling. Actually, when I leave a late show at Beach Cinema or RB's Clearview, there isn't much happening on the street. People hustle off to their cars. Cookman already has more activity than those two areas. It's what you said about slowly building the confidence factor for out-of-towners. Then you have Vic's, which hasn't been the same since the old man died and they're trying to make more $. Weg's basil marinara is better than Vic's. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Re: Beach Cinema a Model for AP?
If you really think about it, music is the only constant that has brought large crowds to AP on a consistent basis. Think back to the WNEW concerts all the way up to Hall and Oats. Music is and should be the key to the future of AP. People will trek to AC to see big name shows there, just as they will to Red Bank and NYC. Here in AP, we have a prime opportunity to capitalize on AP's musical past and build something new. I've said this again and again...AP should look at places like Austin TX as a model for what music and entertainment can do for a cities economy. In my opinion, retail isn't going to do it. We are already saturated with that. Same goes for eateries. We now literally have a blank slate to build upon. I say forget about making AP condo city. Then again, this has been said by many people many times before. What's it gonna take for some truly visionary thinking to get our council to wake up, realize it, and act upon it? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/12/2007 1:53:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the most out of the box thing that would have a huge impact on AP would be something like a House of Blues, like I mentioned before. I'm all for more and varied music venues also. Someplace to go after the movies grin . **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Beach Cinema a Model for AP?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion, retail isn't going to do it. We are already saturated with that. Same goes for eateries. You are right about the music but wrong about the restaurants. AP is already known for a wide radius as having good restaurants. many times I have to go to another town to get in. BTW, I tried Synaxis the other night. The fish was great. I had sea bass but ny wife's Tilapia, which is typically unremarkable, was one of the best I have ever tasted (yes I ate hers too). It was cooked in parchment with simple spices. Fragrant and simple. The more restaurants the better. They create a density and a destination. They help each other. Ever hear of restaurant row? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Beach Cinema a Model for AP?
I can't disagree with that. In fact, a restaurant row in conjunction with an oceanfront entertainment district would probably go a long way. Think about all the plus's of this: Jobs. Traffic into the city. Positive PR for the city. Other local industries popping up to support the entertainment district. And just like in Austin's case, a push towards the arts would probably stimulate other business ventures, like video/film production, which brings huge amounts of money into Austin's economy. This direction is a win win situation not subject to fluctuations in the real estate industry. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: In my opinion, retail isn't going to do it. We are already saturated with that. Same goes for eateries. You are right about the music but wrong about the restaurants. AP is already known for a wide radius as having good restaurants. many times I have to go to another town to get in. BTW, I tried Synaxis the other night. The fish was great. I had sea bass but ny wife's Tilapia, which is typically unremarkable, was one of the best I have ever tasted (yes I ate hers too). It was cooked in parchment with simple spices. Fragrant and simple. The more restaurants the better. They create a density and a destination. They help each other. Ever hear of restaurant row? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Beach Cinema a Model for AP?
destination. They help each other. Ever hear of restaurant row? Restaraunt Row is great - at night. They struggle during the day and without office workers or strong daytime retail, they suffer - as do other regualr retailers that really need daytime foot traffic, especially when they are closed at night. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Beach Cinema a Model for AP?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: destination. They help each other. Ever hear of restaurant row? Restaraunt Row is great - at night. They struggle during the day and without office workers or strong daytime retail, they suffer - as do other regualr retailers that really need daytime foot traffic, especially when they are closed at night. No doubt you have to build daily lunch and nighta during the week. Listen, part of the puzzle. But any other type of trade is not going to do it either. Either you can build the foot traffic by offices or not. Crawl first. This will never be Manhattan or a close by alternative. It is not a university town either. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
Ok, I'll admit my ignorance when it comes to housing issues and how that all plays into tax dollars (the whole abatement issue confuses me with regards to this as well) but anyway... Can anyone explain to me how Asbury Park would be better off with the several condo projects planned and those in the works as opposed to going an entirely different route of emphasizing a business district and entertainment / restaurant district? I'm sure Werner can help me out with this one but isn't that a lot closer to the historical plans of a beach/tourist town? I agree that a restaurant row suffers without enough businesses to support them during the day. I think you also need far more simple lunch places than Asbury generally has right now. I mean, places like delis and things like that rather than full, upscale sit-down restaurants. If Asbury Park concentrated on building a few new state-of-the-art buildings for office space, could they attract enough businesses to the area to make something work? I think they probably could. I don't see why Asbury Park can't be a solid place in Monmouth County like a Red Bank business address. So what is the lure with all housing? Does it really bring in a ton of tax revenue - more than anything else? Because it sure seems like the places that have been built aren't exactly having people line up around the corner to live there. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Beach Cinema a Model for AP?
On the other hand, say a real viable entertainment district was developed. This would create tons of jobs in our city, and all those workers would need to eat. Prep work to put on a show begins early in the afternoon, it's not just a nighttime thing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: destination. They help each other. Ever hear of restaurant row? Restaraunt Row is great - at night. They struggle during the day and without office workers or strong daytime retail, they suffer - as do other regualr retailers that really need daytime foot traffic, especially when they are closed at night. No doubt you have to build daily lunch and nighta during the week. Listen, part of the puzzle. But any other type of trade is not going to do it either. Either you can build the foot traffic by offices or not. Crawl first. This will never be Manhattan or a close by alternative. It is not a university town either. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Beach Cinema a Model for AP?
Another thing just came to mind. We have no idea what the future of the ESP is going to be. For all we know, what has been built might wind up sitting there rotting away for years. But, what they have started looks like the beginnings of a parking garage, which is exactly what would be needed if the area became an entertainment/dining/arts district. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't disagree with that. In fact, a restaurant row in conjunction with an oceanfront entertainment district would probably go a long way. Think about all the plus's of this: Jobs. Traffic into the city. Positive PR for the city. Other local industries popping up to support the entertainment district. And just like in Austin's case, a push towards the arts would probably stimulate other business ventures, like video/film production, which brings huge amounts of money into Austin's economy. This direction is a win win situation not subject to fluctuations in the real estate industry. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: In my opinion, retail isn't going to do it. We are already saturated with that. Same goes for eateries. You are right about the music but wrong about the restaurants. AP is already known for a wide radius as having good restaurants. many times I have to go to another town to get in. BTW, I tried Synaxis the other night. The fish was great. I had sea bass but ny wife's Tilapia, which is typically unremarkable, was one of the best I have ever tasted (yes I ate hers too). It was cooked in parchment with simple spices. Fragrant and simple. The more restaurants the better. They create a density and a destination. They help each other. Ever hear of restaurant row? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Beach Cinema a Model for AP?
Another thing just came to mind. We have no idea what the future of the ESP is going to be. For all we know, what has been built might wind up sitting there rotting away for years. But, what they have started looks like the beginnings of a parking garage, which is exactly what would be needed if the area became an entertainment/dining/arts district. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't disagree with that. In fact, a restaurant row in conjunction with an oceanfront entertainment district would probably go a long way. Think about all the plus's of this: Jobs. Traffic into the city. Positive PR for the city. Other local industries popping up to support the entertainment district. And just like in Austin's case, a push towards the arts would probably stimulate other business ventures, like video/film production, which brings huge amounts of money into Austin's economy. This direction is a win win situation not subject to fluctuations in the real estate industry. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: In my opinion, retail isn't going to do it. We are already saturated with that. Same goes for eateries. You are right about the music but wrong about the restaurants. AP is already known for a wide radius as having good restaurants. many times I have to go to another town to get in. BTW, I tried Synaxis the other night. The fish was great. I had sea bass but ny wife's Tilapia, which is typically unremarkable, was one of the best I have ever tasted (yes I ate hers too). It was cooked in parchment with simple spices. Fragrant and simple. The more restaurants the better. They create a density and a destination. They help each other. Ever hear of restaurant row? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because it sure seems like the places that have been built aren't exactly having people line up around the corner to live there. They did line up at Wesley and N. Beach - sort of. Then they didn't know how to build or got delayed building. The delay enabled buyers to walk - except so far with the ESP. From the people I had showed the ESP to - many thought it was overpriced OR they didn't like the sales approach where they release x number of units per week or didn't have a price sheet for ALL the units. People were also told it will be construction zone, yes for the next few years or more Ditto for the Steinbach -different demo - but many felt it was and STILL is overpriced for what you get. Yes, it cheap compared to NYC - but this isn't NYC. Yes, cookman has a vibe, but can be deserted at 9pm during the week. Housing creates taxes, so does retail - size matters when it comes to taxes - except all those tax exempts. Eatontown has a home run when it comes to their tax base - Rt 35, Rt 35, Industrial Way east/west. Very few tax exempt properties given the size. AP has no large industrial park, retail center etc that generate a signifigant tax stream. Like collecting rent on land to make it simple. You NEVER own your land - the muni does as they can tax you til you move. THATS WHY the BOARDWALK has to be improved. The CASINO has to be reopened as does the PARAMOUNT. Next round of tax increases has to hit Convention Hall and Paramount as they are beginning to make use of the Paramount, the arcade, CH, the porches etc. They run a bar outside etc etc. The tax has to be increased. Casino will be taxed as well. All good. Let them maximize the sq ft for offices and retail - more tax $. Sunset Pav - get it renovated - more tax dollars as should all the pavs be taxed. They all generate revenue for the owners. Dan can make sense of where I'm going. TAX 'em. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
Yeah, but aren't you walking a fine line there when it comes to taxes? Remember the exodus of people out of NJ because of the cost of living here? Isn't it a better idea to have a large scale industry, like entertainment which has tons of employees and patrons coming to spend money and pay taxes that way? Too much taxing might drive new business's away, or prevent others from even considering AP in the first place. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw lightgrw@ wrote: Because it sure seems like the places that have been built aren't exactly having people line up around the corner to live there. They did line up at Wesley and N. Beach - sort of. Then they didn't know how to build or got delayed building. The delay enabled buyers to walk - except so far with the ESP. From the people I had showed the ESP to - many thought it was overpriced OR they didn't like the sales approach where they release x number of units per week or didn't have a price sheet for ALL the units. People were also told it will be construction zone, yes for the next few years or more Ditto for the Steinbach -different demo - but many felt it was and STILL is overpriced for what you get. Yes, it cheap compared to NYC - but this isn't NYC. Yes, cookman has a vibe, but can be deserted at 9pm during the week. Housing creates taxes, so does retail - size matters when it comes to taxes - except all those tax exempts. Eatontown has a home run when it comes to their tax base - Rt 35, Rt 35, Industrial Way east/west. Very few tax exempt properties given the size. AP has no large industrial park, retail center etc that generate a signifigant tax stream. Like collecting rent on land to make it simple. You NEVER own your land - the muni does as they can tax you til you move. THATS WHY the BOARDWALK has to be improved. The CASINO has to be reopened as does the PARAMOUNT. Next round of tax increases has to hit Convention Hall and Paramount as they are beginning to make use of the Paramount, the arcade, CH, the porches etc. They run a bar outside etc etc. The tax has to be increased. Casino will be taxed as well. All good. Let them maximize the sq ft for offices and retail - more tax $. Sunset Pav - get it renovated - more tax dollars as should all the pavs be taxed. They all generate revenue for the owners. Dan can make sense of where I'm going. TAX 'em. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure Werner can help me out with this one but isn't that a lot closer to the historical plans of a beach/tourist town? yes So what is the lure with all housing? Does it really bring in a ton of tax revenue - more than anything else? Because it sure seems like the places that have been built aren't exactly having people line up around the corner to live there. Many shore communities have switched to full residential uses. The only problem with that model is that the only source of revenue becomes residential real estate taxes. You can figure out the rest by yourself. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan can make sense of where I'm going. TAX 'em. My second recommendation (already given) to the City after getting a new redevelopment attorney. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
Many shore communities have switched to full residential uses. The only problem with that model is that the only source of revenue becomes residential real estate taxes. You can figure out the rest by yourself. What Dan is saying is look who's left to pay all the salaries of running the town. Look at Belmar. How much is Belmar loosing out with some oceanfront lots cleared or Main Street with lost ratables. Had eminent domain not been challenged in Belmar somewhat - there might be empty lots and huge salaries to carry. Guess who pays in Belmar - you. The state doesn't have to stop in every year and pay like in AP. So whose gonna pay now in AP - do you think dan really wants to pick up the tab cause the ESP hasn't come on line in 2006, 2007 or 2008, 2009 or Welsey Grove hasn't sold out? Tax liquor sales on the Boardwalk. 2% sales tax on booze. Will it stop anyone from buying. No. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tax liquor sales on the Boardwalk. 2% sales tax on booze. Will it stop anyone from buying. No. Sunshine, sand and water. What more do you need? What's the problem? Partners. If you just build the stuff for people to buy on the BW you will need a wider bw soon. Why no jet ski concession? Parasailing? kayaks? MM is doing what it can but it has a big nut to crack with Partners. The same old problem. What is the common denominator? Partners. Back to metro. I think dean's talk of working it out is bs, that or a ruse to renegotiate with partners. good luck on the latter. if you really think it would only take you a little while to work out, closing down and announcing was the worst thing in the world. for godsakes, you could have made an excuse tha the chinese were buying up all of the concrete and steel (which is almost true anyway). I say the lender gets the keys. The city should go in there and bull doze everything above ground. screw em. let them sue. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Getting Rid of Partners
Here's your incentive. A successful redevelopment with your name Madison Marquette as the developer. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arhythmick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there something that the town of Asbury Park could give to Madison Marquette as incentive (ie additional development rights in the city) in return for buying out Asbury Partners on the boardwalk? Just an idea... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
Considering the fact that in Pt. Pleasant, where the boardwalk is packed every single day during the summer, and people are paying way too much money for food, parking and everything else, I guess you are right. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Yeah, but aren't you walking a fine line there when it comes to taxes? Nope. They have to carry their fair share. There is a fine line. How about an entertainment tax - like $1.00 per ticket at each venue. Do you ever pay attention to the payment you make to ticketmaster and the charges they sneak in? Taxes ARE a big problem and that's why the little guy has a hard time paying rent. It's Oceanfront. Don't feel bad if they pay a premium especially if they sell it for a premium. If you stack up 224 houses on top of each other, that creates taxes. Well, it could. If you pay $10 for a cosmo, do you complain and order another or $6.00 for a beer? or $30.00 for a steak and $6.00 for a coffee or $9.00 for a slice of cake? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Getting Rid of Partners
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arhythmick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there something that the town of Asbury Park could give to Madison Marquette as incentive (ie additional development rights in the city) in return for buying out Asbury Partners on the boardwalk? Just an idea... Partners wants too high a price. Several years ago they asked for 200M. That is the kind of greed we are talking about. My aim is to make them walk for much less. With cooperation we can grease the wheels. They need to be bled to near death. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Getting Rid of Partners
-...the incentive - ONE MILE of Oceanfront with rights to develop 56 acres. How do you f that up? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
--- Point Pleasant would Werner's perfect example of what works - well almost. Point is PRIVATELY owned - not the entire boardwalk, but various parcels along the BW. Point also had a great fire at end of the season some years back. They got the aquarium as little as it. The same time period, AP had a shot at one. Blew it. And no, not the Jackson Cousteau thing. Point has kiddie rides. Point has rental housing. Point has motels. Point is clean. Point feels safe. Point has Martells. Point has Pepsi sponsoring. Point has entertainment. Point has weekly fireworks. AP has a bigger, wider BW. AP has major venues for events. AP has more parking. AP is closer to NYC. AP has the ocean (like point), same climate as Point, same sand as Pointso if your trying to entertain your kids for a whole summer, at least one destination is point. What do you want to do, bring your kid to AP and buy him a beer or a panni? No - you want them to suck down a nice greasy slice of pizza, fries and have a Kohrs. Then throw them on some rides or win a stuffed animal. Can't do it in AP. AP is the adult BW. surprised you have no one hawking beers like at a baseball game walking down the BW. At least they got rid of most of the tacky beer banners. At least AP now has mini golf and an arcade. I once wrote here what the get for rent (if you can get a concession). Point also has Kohrs. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
AP also has a worldwide connection with the music biz. More people know about AP because of Bruce then anything else. Besides the boardwalk, it's our number one commodity, and at the same time the least realized commodity. Turning the entire redevelopment zone into an adult oriented entertainment zone, with places like the House of Blues etc, cool retro themed hotels, great restaurants and the like would put this city back on the map. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Point Pleasant would Werner's perfect example of what works - well almost. Point is PRIVATELY owned - not the entire boardwalk, but various parcels along the BW. Point also had a great fire at end of the season some years back. They got the aquarium as little as it. The same time period, AP had a shot at one. Blew it. And no, not the Jackson Cousteau thing. Point has kiddie rides. Point has rental housing. Point has motels. Point is clean. Point feels safe. Point has Martells. Point has Pepsi sponsoring. Point has entertainment. Point has weekly fireworks. AP has a bigger, wider BW. AP has major venues for events. AP has more parking. AP is closer to NYC. AP has the ocean (like point), same climate as Point, same sand as Pointso if your trying to entertain your kids for a whole summer, at least one destination is point. What do you want to do, bring your kid to AP and buy him a beer or a panni? No - you want them to suck down a nice greasy slice of pizza, fries and have a Kohrs. Then throw them on some rides or win a stuffed animal. Can't do it in AP. AP is the adult BW. surprised you have no one hawking beers like at a baseball game walking down the BW. At least they got rid of most of the tacky beer banners. At least AP now has mini golf and an arcade. I once wrote here what the get for rent (if you can get a concession). Point also has Kohrs. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Getting Rid of Partners
Hahahahhahahha I hate Wesley Grove. It has completely ruined the view from my living room. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: -...the incentive - ONE MILE of Oceanfront with rights to develop 56 acres. How do you f that up? Let me answer part of that: 1. Approve the design of Wesley Grove. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 12/12/2007 4:25:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think you also need far more simple lunch places than Asbury generally has right now. Gimme a place in town with daily specials like meatloaf -- casual enuf so that I can stir the peas into my mashed potatoes with gravy. Clancy's sucks, still have to drive to the real joint, Kelly's. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business distric...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And jenks got their start in ASBURY and OG. HIS major frustrations even back them RESTRICTIONS PLACED ON HIS BUSINESS That is something that frustrated boardwalk concessions all the way to 1990 ( i was one). READ ON In the early 1900âs, Jenkinson opened soda fountains in the shore towns of Asbury Park and Ocean Grove. Both stores occupied leased space and Jenkinson eventually grew tired of the restrictions placed on him by his landlords. As a result, in 1926 he acquired property in the nearby town of Point Pleasant Beach. Its boardwalk was much quieter than the ones in Asbury Park and Ocean Grove and he saw an opportunity to have a significant impact. In 1928, Jenkinsonâs Pavilion opened for business, totally transforming the sleepy Point Pleasant Beach boardwalk. The Pavilion was a large open air building on the beach featuring a candy shop, soda fountain and refreshment stand. On the opposite side of the boardwalk from the Pavilion, Jenkinson built a novelty store and a swimming pool. The business grew rapidly, with a dance hall opening in 1929 and a miniature golf course soon after. Despite the Depression that was impacting business throughout the country, Jenkinsonâs was able to thrive and in 1934, the operation expanded by acquiring the beach, and a bathhouse and pavilion north of his existing operation at the inlet, the place where the Manasquan River flowed into the ocean. Charles Jenkinson passed away in 1937 but his son, Orlo, stepped in and growth continued. In 1949, Jenkinsonâs opened a miniature train ride along the beach to connect the operations at the Pavilion to the inlet facilities. It remained a popular attraction until it was retired in 1996. With the additional acreage at the Inlet, Jenkinsonâs opened a small kiddie park in 1954 that remained a popular attraction until being replaced by a miniature golf course in the mid-1960âs. In 1964, Orlo Jenkinson passed away and his son took over the business. While Jenkinsonâs remained a popular destination, without the hands-on leadership that Orlo provided, it went into a period of stagnation. By the late 1970âs, the Jenkinsonâs operation was struggling and new blood was needed to revitalize the Pavilion and boardwalk. Pasquale âPatâ Storino, a juke box and arcade games dealer, was looking for a new opportunity that would not require so much travel. His family had owned a summer home in Point Pleasant Beach since the 1940âs and he thought the tired old Pavilion would be a great opportunity. Storino reached a deal to purchase the Jenkinsonâs holdings and immediately launched a renovation of the Pavilion, creating an arcade, concessions stands, games and a restaurant. In 1978, a dinner theater was added to the Pavilion and in 1980, a waterslide complex replaced the aging swimming pool and miniature golf course. Storino knew that the long-term future of his business depended on him acquiring control of as much of the boardwalk as possible so that he could create a multi-faceted destination. In 1980, he acquired Fun Fair, a small kiddie park that was located across the boardwalk from the pavilion. This was followed in 1983, when Pat, with his brother Vincent Storino, purchased Holiday Playland, another small amusement park located on the southern end of the boardwalk. Holiday Playland was immediately renamed Jenkinsonâs South after the 1983 season and many of the thrill rides were sold to make room for more family oriented rides. 1987 was a critical year for Jenkinsonâs amusement park operations. Following the end of the season, Fun Fair was closed and replaced by an elaborate miniature golf course, while Hermanâs Amusements, an amusement park located next door to Jenkinsonâs South, was purchased. By 1989, Storino was well on his way to realizing his ultimate vision for the Point Pleasant Beach boardwalk. The southern end was now anchored by a single family-oriented amusement park featuring about two dozen rides, while the northern end featured the Inlet facilities. At the heart of the boardwalk was the original Pavilion, now supplemented by a new miniature golf course that replaced the Fun Fair and the waterslides that replaced the original pool. But on November 22, 1989, Storinoâs vision suffered a major setback when a fire broke out in the Pavilionâs kitchen, which was closed for the season and under renovation. When the fire was finally under control, the Pavilion that gave birth to the entire operation was a total loss. Only a friendly wind kept the fire from spreading to the boardwalk. But Storino was undeterred and immediately began making plans to replace the Pavilion. Construction was complete on the new cement and steel structure the following May. Like the original, the new 1,200 seat Pavilion was the heart of Jenkinsonâs Boardwalk, featuring a food court facing the boardwalk and a full service restaurant in back, along
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business distric...
In a message dated 12/12/2007 7:19:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And jenks got their start in ASBURY and OG. HIS major frustrations even back them RESTRICTIONS PLACED ON HIS BUSINESS That is something that frustrated boardwalk concessions all the way to 1990 ( i was one). I remember that when I first moved here out of college, I thought that the boardwalk was somewhat corny. Especially because they wouldn't permit liquor on the bw (cept 4 HJ). Still very guido then, I preferred Seaside bw with all their craziness and bars, then Point cause it too was catering to boomers (after all, Four Seasons started there lol). Couldn't understand why AP was still trying to maintain a turn-of-the-century religious resort affect, busing in senior citizens for lunches at Michael's et al. There were eventually a few head shops, but tucked away on side streets; even the Inkwell tried a season here. Same era when the Mayfair and Lyric were razed. The ghosts of those theaters still haunts those lots. That lack of imagination back then -- pre-west side riot -- I sensed, kept this town on a downward spiral. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
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In a message dated 12/12/2007 7:20:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: how much more simple can you get then Frank's? We're more than a one luncheonette town. More than a one music venue town. Go to the same ol' places all the time, you get infected with group think. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] my last.. On The Tipping Point
The idea of the book is about creating believers - as in spreading an epidemic, a virus one that catches on. From what I read, there is one section where the tipping point is 150. I'm curious if Dean wanted to reduce the size of THE ESP to 151? Read on Hopefully, The Tipping Point by the sudden announcement of the Esperanza halting work, fails. I read bits and pieces off various web sites. Save alot of time. Here's what I copied off one... see http://www.wikisummaries.org/The_Tipping_Point THE WRITER.. or for that matter to anyone who's trying to create a change with limited resources. Our intuitions, as humans, aren't always very good. Changes that happen really suddenly, on the strength of the most minor of input, can be deeply confusing. (LIKE CLOSING DOWN A SALES OFFICE) Salespeople Salesmen are charismatic people with powerful negotiation skills. They exert soft influence rather than forceful power. Their source of influence may be the tendency of others, subconsciously, to imitate them rather than techniques of conscious persuasion. * Have the skills to persuade when we are unconvinced of what we are hearing. * Little things can make as much of a difference as big things. * Gives nonverbal clues that are more important than verbal clues. 1. Interactional synchrony: human interaction has a rhythmic physical dimension. We dance to each other's speech�we're perfectly in harmony. 2. Motor mimicry: we imitate each other's emotions as a way of expressing support and caring and, even more basically, as a way of communicating with each other. Emotion is contagious. Senders are very good at expressing emotions and feelings. They are far more emotionally contagious than the rest of us. * Persuasion often works in ways that we do not appreciate * You draw others into your own rhythms and dictate the terms of the interaction. (LIKE THEIR SALES APPROACH) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business distric...
I remember that when I first moved here out of college, I thought that the boardwalk was somewhat corny. Especially because they wouldn't permit liquor on the bw (cept 4 HJ). we usally had a keg in our office at the waffle house. every know and then, our friends would get a 16 oz cup with a meal. Just had to tip. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business distric...
More than a one music venue town. Go to the same ol' places all the time, you get infected with group think. right on that. I was there one day last year and there was a local lawyer bullshitting about something (didn't know me), a local builder and co. Still an interesting place where you can the feel for the city. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Trump
Prospective partners pay Trump an initial fee of several million dollars and agree to pay 8% to 15% of the gross sales of their condos. If the Trump name produces the 20%-plus premiums, both parties make out. Finally, the Trumps get as much as half of every dollar paid exceeding a benchmark, typically 20% above what they and their development partners agree is fair market value of a property. For all this, Trump generally puts no money down. When it comes to money, most people are too afraid or embarrassed to haggle. Maybe they think it's tacky. My dad doesn't, says Don. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] 70 vs 50 vs reality?
In an article dated Dec 6 FIFTY was the number: âSince sales began three months ago, The Esperanza has sold more than 50 homes, proving the burgeoning interest in Asbury Park,â said developer Dean Geibel, managing partner of the Hoboken-based Metro Homes. Geez, you'd think the sales team must of been busting but the past week to get that number up to 70, no? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: my last.. On The Tipping Point
wow..heady shit for the list. idea viruses are also called memes richard dawkins apparently came up with the name long before gladwell, though i mean to get that book...its pretty fascinating to think about how many memes exist, how they restrict us, control us. i gotta wonder if geibel and co are this brilliant. i think they just wanted to make a lot of money and spent too many resources on marketing. and then the real estate crash... i'd give anything for a rerun of the speech he gave at salt water just a couple of months ago...the one where loffredo was civil servant AND land hawker. the whole esperanza vibe was a little...well, viagra ish...manufactured desire. building facades. buy a life buy an experience i just hope everyone gets over it. asbury isn't the esperanza. i do hope madison marquette hangs around. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 70 vs 50 vs reality?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In an article dated Dec 6 FIFTY was the number: âSince sales began three months ago, The Esperanza has sold more than 50 homes, proving the burgeoning interest in Asbury Park,â said developer Dean Geibel, managing partner of the Hoboken-based Metro Homes. Geez, you'd think the sales team must of been busting but the past week to get that number up to 70, no? Let me fix that, as I'm not sure where I got that from. So then in the next 5 months 13 more sold. at that pace, it would a few years to sell the entire project. Time to change the approach and PRICE, How about in July 07: July 12, 2007 â¢â¢ 646 words â¢â¢ ID: asb70154848 By NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU Musician John Oates was on hand here Wednesday to give some publicity to the beachfront Esperanza where Oates is one of 57 people so far to buy condominium units from builder Metro Homes. Oates, of the popular Hall Oates duo, was in New York to perform with Daryl Hall at the Nokia Theater on Wednesday and tonight. O Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: my last.. On The Tipping Point
.. i'd give anything for a rerun of the speech he gave at salt water just a couple of months ago... I went to one in the summer at Salt where he held up the book. For me, that was my finale. Reminds me of early days of 1980's stock broker training programs. Where is Brennan today? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] $450,000 for 1/2 payment on artificial turf
according to an article on the 'net, Mr. Geibel paid 1/2 the costs to redo his kids football field for a team he coaches. $450,000 out/pkt. And AP can't get ONE field for Little League. Do more digging, that field was probably funded 10 times. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business distric...
When I had an office in town it seemed like everyone ate at either Frank's, TJ's or went to Clancy's. I agree with you, Asbury is bigger than a one restaurant for lunch. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/12/2007 7:20:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: how much more simple can you get then Frank's? We're more than a one luncheonette town. More than a one music venue town. Go to the same ol' places all the time, you get infected with group think. See AOL's top rated recipes http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304 and easy ways to stay in shape http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aoltop000303 for winter. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] 70 vs 50 vs reality?
And with sales jumping like that, why stop now? oakdorf wrote: In an article dated Dec 6 FIFTY was the number: “Since sales began three months ago, The Esperanza has sold more than 50 homes, proving the burgeoning interest in Asbury Park,� said developer Dean Geibel, managing partner of the Hoboken-based Metro Homes. Geez, you'd think the sales team must of been busting but the past week to get that number up to 70, no? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: my last.. On The Tipping Point
due process brennan? christmas lights brennan? people get high on money and ideas. i am amazed how many people get sucked into it, the falsity. i mean...look at the ads, the facades with the two by fours holding them up. remember the murals of the shop fronts? maybe we should ask them if we could make an art project out of our new skeletonhave the kids paint it fun colors, drape it in gossamer...add something to it to make it look like dinosaurs or dragons, angels ...i am just sick of people being hung up on what asbury looks like. when you love someone, do you care what they look like? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: my last.. On The Tipping Point
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, evosap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .when you love someone, do you care what they look like? Yes, even more so. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: my last.. On The Tipping Point
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, evosap gabrielleobre@ wrote: .when you love someone, do you care what they look like? Yes, even more so. No, but I do appreciate when they shave their legs and pits. Call me shallow. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
