[AsburyPark] you say tomato... I say.....
Has any one of these pundits looked at the TCN? It is not a newspaper. It has zero journalistic qualitities. For every ten ads there an opinion essay by underpaid writers. This nonsense is an affront to the Caroll family and the Coaster which is a true newspaper with real reporters and real news and real ad rates. This is a joke and should be dismissed as a joke. No offense to Dan, he should run with the publicity and kudos to him for figuring out how to take advantage of of niche market but to compare him to other true newspapers like the AP Press or the Coaster is blatantly wrong. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] A Change Is Gonna Come
In recent accounts of Asbury's rather sordid past, reference is made of 4 men driving down the turnpike on multiple occasions to start a riot. It was on that 4TH of July that they succeeded. The following is from today's press and should, or could provide for an insightful and meaningful discussion. Or you can continue to beat the shit out of that poor carcass that has been kicked around this board for a long time. Symposium dissects city's 1970s racial legacy Also, reactions to gay influx BY CAROL GORGA WILLIAMS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU NOVEMBER 15, 2008 Were the disturbances that rocked Asbury Park for four nights in July 1970 caused by an unruly and possibly criminal mob, or were they a revolt waged by freedom fighters seeking equality in jobs, education, housing and government? Has the legacy of the racial violence made the city more sensitive to issues related to equality, or did the city's current power brokers now much more diverse simply learn the tools to keep others down while they advance? Those were two of the questions addressed Friday, Day 2 of a three-day interdisciplinary conference on race in West Long Branch sponsored by the Monmouth University School of Humanities and Social Sciences and the School of Business Administration. Titled Future of an Illusion, Future of the Past, the conference offers segments on slavery, rap music, sports and education. The session Friday featured a talk by Monmouth history instructor Daniel J. Weeks and Walter Greason, coordinator of the African program at Ursinus College in Collegeville, Pa. Weeks gave a day-by-day account of what some people refer to as the troubles in Asbury Park, which began shortly before midnight on July 4, 1970, when groups of 14- and 15-year-old black youths began throwing rocks and bottles at each other while hanging out on Springwood Avenue. They soon began throwing items at passing cars and did not seem to care whether the occupants were black or white. But race began to matter during the next four days, as black leaders tried to convince officials that the disturbances were related to long- standing frustrations in the community regarding a lack of opportunity to jobs and housing. What is interesting about Asbury Park's troubles' is their evolution over four days from teen-age misbehavior to something much more organized and purposeful, Weeks said. Prior to the disturbances, Asbury Park's minority community had gained strength, forming advocacy groups like the Universal Negro Improvement Association and chapters of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and the Urban League in the years after the Great Depression. Asbury Park's black community became considerably more politically aware, economically developed and culturally active during those decades because the individuals and families took their liberation into their own hands, Greason said. By 1970, times were tough for the city's black residents. And times were getting worse. By 1990, the majority of city residents were African-Americans with household incomes of less than $20,000. The unemployment rate for them rose above 30 percent and the poverty rate exceeded 20 percent. The intersection of the social forces of class and race doomed any possibility of progressive integration at the Jersey Shore, Greason said. Asbury Park needed an influx of enthusiasm and cash if it were to survive. It got that chance when members of the gay and lesbian community began to revitalize the city. Not everyone welcomed the newcomers, Greason said. . . . A coalition of politically and culturally conservative African-Americans perceived the gay migration to the town as a threat to the values and priorities that created the black community over a century earlier, Greason said. The tension was illustrated by the election of Robert DiSanto to the Board of Education in 2004, which was opposed by board member Susan Maynard and her husband, James, Greason said. DiSanto is gay. James Maynard brought in lawyer Dennis Caufield of the Alliance Defense Fund, which Greason described as a pro-marriage, anti-gay legal advocacy organization, to sue the school board when it tried to restrict Maynard's criticisms. Greason noted that the Maynards relied on the support of Christian and Muslim religious communities in the city to politicizeDiSanto's service on the board. The Maynards crafted a cross-racial coalition between black and white conservative advocates for heterosexual marriage as the societal norm, Greason said, using the language and accomplishments of the Black Freedom Movement to successfully assert their right to discriminate. What the Maynards did is hardly unique, he said. Similar partnerships were developing all over the country, he said, citing recent activity in California. The question facing the black community in Asbury Park at the end of the
[AsburyPark] way off Dan
I have no idea who or what sen stevens is, but the explanations I heard for troopergate and your description of ved.executive abuse ring hollow and out of key. I am surprised. This does not mean I am saying she is of presidential charachter, I am simply pointing out the weakness of your assessment, an assessment I have historically followed to a tee. Hey, here's a shout out to justice finally being served. OJ Simpson is where he should be the rest of his natural life: In Prison. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] a question of balance
Sorry Gabby, nothing to do with herbs on the list. All the extreme partisans who have gone overboard defending and exulting their party's platforms and candidates really need to take a deep breath of fresh air. To think that this most important of elections can come down to party politics is a shame and a sin. The most amazing thing about this polarized extremism is that is the part of peace love and understanding who are the radical hate spewing win at all costs while those button down conservatives are reeling from the past 8 years and have seemingly decided to flow with the times. I sit at my laptop and read and read and read, hoping to gain the needed info that will sway my vote, I especially try to take in everything Obama has to say; sadly, he hasn't come close to convincing me that he can do anything besides read a speech and act like a rock star whereas I read the Republican hoopla and every now and then, contrary to their opponents, they bring up corruption and the need to stop accepting it, to fight it, and eliminate it. Until Sarah Palin was nominated there was nary a mention of the C word. So it took a woman, a Mom, A PTA member, a Mayor, a Govenor, and her fresh breath of common sense to tell America how she fought corruption. Those of us who have worked and played and lived in Asbury Park for more than a couple of weeks know exactly how corruption can ruin a good thing. Give credit where credit is due and open up your eyes to both sides and then try to make a learned decision. Or, be like a hinge swinging back and forth, rusting over time, but never going anywhere Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] bang a drum
Proving my point with bells. And you call all that a fresh breath of common sense Unbelievable. And ignorant. Theres that hate-filled angry insults preceded by a few slanted headlines. Shooting wolves and delivering the front leg is a heinous act. Aborting babies is cool. Talking in tongues is bad, while the other guys minister preaches against America in a racist voice. And, of course, a woman's speech sickened you while it clearly has inspired millions across the country you so readily declare your hatred of. An ignorant person would read the headlines and day dream A person with a fresh breath of common sense would dig a little to get the answers to those trivial things that perplex the high and mighty. The wolves are like the deer, and sadly, the bears here in jersey. There's one simple answer for ya'. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re:Just visited AP for the first time
in her blog Tracy aptly summed up Asbury Park in one well crafted sentence. It was symbolic of our stay - the dissonance of dysfunction visible beneath a veneer of newness. You go girl! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] It's A Beautiful Morning
Interesting music last week. Seems like a poignant comparison between the two great jersey shore towns that are trying to come back from years of debilitating poverty and decay. In Asbury Park for the 1st time in his trend setting idol like career was Bob Dylan continuing a never ending tour that has seen him circle the globe to rave reviews. On the heels of one of the great pop singers of all times, Tony Bennett's fantastic performance at the Paramount Theater and Dylans show at Convention marked a return of the very top echelon of musical performers to a town that at one time hosted the very best of the touring musical performers for most of the 20th century. A few miles North on Ocean Ave, Long Branch, with it's Pier Village erasing the vintage past of this city that was once known for presidents and royalty visiting to enjoy the grand hotels and large beach was a contemporary of Mr. Dylan doing a free concert in the West End section, Felix Cavalieri of The young Rascals. While the comparisons between the Rascals and Dylans music carry a wide berth, analysis would probably show many more hits for the Rascals, while Dylan's impact on society in general and music in particular is overwhelming. Dylan has a couple of hits and there are 1 or 2 of his songs that can whistled, it was The Rascals who held, along with the Beach Boys, America's grip on the Top 40 charts and it was The Rascals who's songs are immediately recognized my many of the era as a soundtrack of their youth. The tickets for Dylan sold out within minutes and were priced at $72/seat for side of the stage seats. The atmosphere at Convention Hall and on the Boardwalk was one of excitement and, for many Boardwalk vets, one of wonderment. Gone was the Beirut-by-the-sea atmosphere that has haunted Asbury's Boardwalk since the late '70's. Paved roads, plenty of parking, and most important, plenty of friendly people made the forever lurking fear of criminal intrusion a thing of the not so distant past. As a means of drawing thousands of people to the Boardwalk to see it's apparent rebirth, the Dylan concert was a winner. As a concert, for this avid fan of Bob Dylan who has seen him on every tour he has done since the memorable Dylan and the Band reunion tour of '72, when holding up a match and cupping your hand behind your ear to hear better came into vogue, it was the worst concert I have ever been to. To say the the sound sucked would be an understatement. Basically, unless on the floor, within 30 or 40 feet of the stage, the only thing you could hear was lead guitar, snare drum, and something that resembled Dylan's voice. After three songs I walked around to the front of the stage in the seats and listened to 2 songs, hoping that the music would come through. But was the same thing throughout Convention Hall. I have been lucky enough to be at every Springsteen holiday show and rehearsal show at Convention Hall and at those shows the sound was perfect. I am sure that the huge curtain that was hanging across from the stage along the ceiling was the main reason for the acoustic perfection. That the promoters and management of Convention Hall allowed a performer of Dylans stature to put on a sold out concert without doing something about the echo chamber that is Convention Hall speaks volumes about just how important the customer is to these people. Right next door, sitting empty, is the Paramount Theater that has a reputation as having the very best acoustics in the entire United States. To have heard Dylan and his Band at the Paramount would have made a lasting impression on everyone who attended. Friday night, a perfect night with a beautiful sky, no humidity, a cool breeze working, Long Branch had Felix Cavalieri's Rascals performing on a stage set up in the parking lot on Brighton Ave across the street from The Brighton Bar, the home of original music on the Jersey Shore. The place was packed. As the sun set and the full moon rose Felix and his 4 piece band hit the stage. From the moment that Felix starting singing, the waves of nostalgia for those old great Rascals songs just flooded the parking lot, drawing tears and cheers and so many people singing along. Felix voice might not have the high end it once had, but it was all there and the melody's and the hooks just grabbed at your heart and soul and brought you back to cruising in your car with top 40 radio blasting those hits. Long Branch puts the concerts on and they do a fantastic job production wise. The sound was perfect throughout the entire area. And Felix embraced the audience and made it seem as if he would rather be no other place than on that stage in that parking lot playing for all those very special people who came out to hear his music. Of all the great 60's bands, the one that is missing from the reunion tours is The Rascals. All 4 members are alive and well, but the acrimony between them somehow even
[AsburyPark] a change is gonna come
*ASBURY PARK* — Police are investigating an incident in which a group of
black patrons, including a city firefighter and a downtown
businesswoman, were refused entry late Friday night at the popular new
Beach Bar owned by Madison Marquette at Convention Hall.
Police Chief Mark Kinmon said officers responded about midnight to a
disturbance outside the bar to find a group of people upset, some
yelling and screaming.
Kinmon said about five or six people were denied entry by the bar's
security, being told the Beach Bar has a dress code and that they were
not dressed appropriately. Kinmon said they were wearing jeans and
T-shirts with writing on them, and some wore baseball caps.
The group of people claimed they were not allowed in because they are
black, Kinmon said. We're investigating reports of the incident being
biased-related and forwarding the case to the Monmouth County
Prosecutor's Office as a bias incident, Kinmon said. They will review
it along with us. That's standard.
Police arrested the businesswoman, LaDonna Young, charging her with
disorderly conduct. The city firefighter was identified as David Weedon.
Apparently a similar incident occurred on Saturday night, which we're
also looking into, Kinmon said. '
He said people were told the bar's dress code, which was why they could
not enter, takes effect after 11 p.m.
Madison Marquette officials said they are investigating.
We're aware there was an incident and, of course, are concerned, said
marketing director Courtney Johnson. We take such matters very
seriously and are looking into what took place.
The investigation's under way, and we need to let the investigation
take its course, said City Manager Terence Reidy. We take this very
seriously because it's critical that our beachfront and our boardwalk be
open to everyone in our city.
The Beach Bar, which, according to company literature, has a capacity of
400 people on the south and east verandas of Convention Hall, is one of
many new venues Madison Marquette opened this summer to revitalize the
beachfront.
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I'm white and I was turned away from the Beach Bar around midnight on
Friday. I think their dress code is stupid for an outdoor bar on the
beach, but I don't believe it was racist. Equally stupid is McLoone's
Cover up your beach attire dress code for lunch outside on the
boardwalk. Either way, I just moved onto a different place that seems to
understand that people wear casual clothes at the beach. Or maybe I
should put a suit tie in my beach bag. (And by the way, my clothes fit
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I'm white and I was turned away from the Beach Bar around midnight on
Friday. I think their dress code is stupid for an outdoor bar on the
beach, but I don't believe it was racist. Equally stupid is McLoone's
Cover up your beach attire dress code for lunch outside on the
boardwalk. Either way, I just moved onto a different place that seems to
understand that people wear casual clothes at the beach. Or maybe I
should put a suit tie in my beach bag. (And by the way, my clothes fit
- I don't have jeans that are worn around the knee). rjs07712
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To all i was there that nite and yes there were white folks in the bar
with jeans and t-shirts with writing on it, Just to set the record
correct, we were told that we could not enter because we wore jeans and
one guy had on dockers and was denied because he did not have on a belt
and no his pants were not sagging, So while we stood to the side
peacefully and observed the security guards allow 3 white males entry
right in front of us with jeans and not only jeans but one had holes in
his jeans. So you tell me is that fair.
7/29/2008 8:56:13 AM
To all i was there that nite and yes there were white folks in the bar
with jeans and t-shirts with writing on it, Just to set the record
correct, we were told that we could not enter because we wore jeans and
one guy had on dockers and was denied because he did not have on a belt
and no his pants were not sagging, So while we stood to the side
peacefully and observed the
[AsburyPark] Former butcher returns to roots ‘down the shore'
Former butcher returns to roots ‘down the shore’ Geldzahler and his partners own a section of this block on Cookman Avenue in downtown Asbury Park, where fashionable shops and restaurants have opened. Geldzahler and his partners own a section of this block on Cookman Avenue in downtown Asbury Park, where fashionable shops and restaurants have opened. Photos by Johanna Ginsberg by mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Johanna Ginsberg mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NJJN Staff Writer MJuly 3, 2008 When Ivan Geldzahler was a little boy, he remembers the Jersey Shore town as “the cat’s meow. It was Asbury Park’s glory days,” he said. Geldzahler, 56, and the original owner of Zayda’s kosher deli and butcher shop in South Orange, is betting that the once sparkling seaside resort town that for years has been beset by urban blight is about to make a comeback. “We’ve invested everything in real estate here,” he said, in a recent interview with /NJJN/ in his office on Cookman Street in the town. It isn’t the first time a renaissance has been promised in Asbury Park. Though experience has created skeptics when it comes to the most recent development plans, Geldzahler, who grew up in nearby Bradley Beach, where his father had a kosher butcher shop, remains the ultimate optimist. He is certain this time it will be a success. To hear him tell it, you’d think the Esperanza — the luxury apartment complex that has become the ultimate symbol of the stalled rejuvenation of Asbury Park — had turned into Trump Tower overnight. Confronted with the bleak half-built shell of the complex in the middle of what he calls a “show me” tour, Geldzahler waves his hand. “Oh, everyone says, what about the Esperanza? I tell them, when was the last time you’ve been to Asbury Park? Come and see it for yourself.” Geldzahler relishes every aspect of the Jersey shore; he bikes from town to town, he loves to fish from his favorite jetty, and he seems to know everyone in Asbury. Whoever passes by shouts hello and gets in return a kind word, a slap on the back, a wry reference, or a friendly hello right back from Ivan. He has felt at home at the shore since he was a kid, and he remembers his father’s kosher butcher shops — in Irvington and Linden but also in Bradley Beach, where he was born. His birthplace was, in those years, a haven for Jews from northern New Jersey as well as from Brooklyn. Geldzahler reminisced about walking down the beach and knowing everyone there. “It was a great feeling,” he said. And he recalled his father as a “great businessman.” “He put up a big sign on his little kosher butcher shop: ‘We barbecue chickens free.’ Everybody’s mother would come by, buy a chicken,” he said. NJJN photo 2 The Casino is still just a shell, the carousel and the Funhouse are gone, but Ivan Geldzahler, who grew up in Bradley Beach, believes a bright future for Asbury Park is just around the corner, and he has invested heavily in the shore town. He points to plenty of construction on the boardwalk to back up his optimism. Here, an upscale Italian restaurant will open. After they were cooked, the butcher’s son delivered them to the town’s beaches on his bicycle. “So all the ladies knew me. I was a goofy-looking kid. I got 25 cents from everybody. I wasn’t making big bucks, but I was famous because I was the chicken boy,” he said. “When you go back there [today], it’s something that’s lost. “We were poor but I always felt rich at the Jersey Shore.” When he turned to selling real estate to make a living, the first place he looked to was the place he knew best. “I figured I’d find something in Bradley Beach or Ocean Grove to flip,” he said, when he went down the shore to explore his options three or four years ago. But he was surprised at the prices, which he called “untouchable. A quarter-acre knockdown near the beach was $800,000,” he said. Instead, he turned to Asbury Park, where the prices were lower in pre-rejuvenation days. A new perspective He went in with two partners, Andrew Geller and Andrew Lewis, and the three formed GGL Development Group. They now own a warehouse, condos near the landmark Convention Hall, a building zoned as a restaurant with a liquor license — where he envisions a steakhouse — and several other lots. Asked whether or not the steakhouse, should it happen, would be kosher, he says no. But he considers the idea, mulling it over. “If it caught on with the residents of Deal” — the nearby town that is home to a sizable and wealthy community of Syrian Jews — “you could do well. If you had the right /hashgaha/, it would do well. They have the money to frequent a restaurant that I wouldn’t frequent because it would be too expensive…. NJJN photo 2 Ivan Geldzahler “But if you put in a sexy bar, which everyone loves, you could make a killing.” He finally pushes the idea away, and concludes, “If I were 30, I would do it in a heartbeat.” Geldzahler’s path
[AsburyPark] Re: amazing crowd for the fireworks
oak wrote... So the question then becomes - what did THEY see that was so impressive? I always believed based on my family's and my relatives reasons for vacationing, and then staying in Asbury or Bradley Beach for the long hot summers of the late 50's and throughout the 60's, was the boardwalk was the cheapest place to all meet and pass the time. 4 or 5 nights a week we would meet north of convention hall, sometimes up to 30 relatives and close friends, they would give us kids a pocketful of change and off we'd go while they strolled the boards or sat in their little section of benches that could look at the ocean or at the boards. We were forbidden to go to the Palace, because it meant crossing the street, but the lure of grabbing the rings on the merry go round was to strong. $22 burgers will never make it in Asbury Park, or anywhere else along the Jersey Shore. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re:Dylan sold out.
keep checking bobdylan.com, you might find a 2nd date... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] requiem for a post
I wonder how my post from last week showed up this morning? I am a big hinge fan, but I do wonder where he gets the idea that the Flamingo was a viable business. We thought about trying to buy it and retro-modernize it and make a cool spot ala the motel in PA Jack mentions. Bottom line was AP Partners had total control of the property and AP ain't quite ready for prime time. I enjoy all the posts about what is and what should never be. I also decry the knocking down and blighting of the old buildings that make AP unique. But when it comes to places like the Phoenix, The Metropolitan and those bungalows by Jack's, the wrecking ball can't hit them fast enough. But when all is said and done, despite all the rhetoric, unless and until C-8 gets back online, it just doesn't matter. That building had to be built and still does. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: bizzaro robin hood
I should rename the thread the fish takes the bait. Where do you get off accusing me of Your hatred of Democrats, is so complete, you can't see the forest for the trees!. The dems and Repugs are equally repugnant and equal as lying thieving bastards. Whitman is almost as big a phony as the ultimate pan handling money grubbing parasite Hillary. Voting for Hillary because A: she's not a republican, and B: she's a woman is a sad excuse for subjecting this country to any more time under the clinton-bush hierarchy. Judge your politicians on what the say and do and not on the party they kiss up to. The Clinton's are so indebted to special interest groups that they can't possibly govern with any thing beside their matriarch's agendas. Vote of Obama defeat Hillary, our future's are at stake. btw, I am a registered democratnice try. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] bizzaro robin hood
Gov gives pro-toll hike group $500G It is impossible to fathom the bottomless slime pit that we New Jerseyean's keep electing. Those of us who live and vote in Monmouth County can be especially proud of the two thieving bastards that ran the county as freeholders the past 30 odd years. From florio to mcgreevy and now now this corzine debacle. It's so sad. On top of the tripling of the costs of a simple parking ticket, beyond the sales tax and real estate tax increases since the turn of the century, we have our governor taking a half a million dollars out of the bank to spin his toll hike scam so that wall street can sell a billion dollars in bonds and continue to rake in cash like leaves in oakhurst in the fall. Is it possible for an electorate body to be this stupid? Or are we being played like a vintage martin ukulele? Was the whole bid rig sting simply a means of diverting attention? While the fbi is setting up volunteer politicians so that they can bust them for stealing peanuts and oil, the governor of our state is funding an overt campaign to cripple the common folk who commute daily on our tax dollar financed toll roads. Have you met anyone who thinks corzine's asinine idea is good, let alone valid, let alone not effing heinous? GO GIANTS Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: just when you thought it was safe....
Tommie wrote . The smartest thing MM can do is re-brand Asbury Park and just like Werner Tommie is correct. Only maybe they can wait before branding what isn't done. We had enough bull shit branding from lying Larry and his inept partners. Having a few years on TD, and having been pushed in a baby carriage from Bradley Beach to Ap in the late 50's and early 60's, I vividly recall a stellar period in Asbury's past. Just as I watched the city decay into nothing but KRAP. Werner's point, and my agreement with him is before they start building baby pools ruining the green acres at the end of the avenues, fix up the existing, what's left, natural resources. And by-the-way-, so far, MM has done that. The casino, who paid for that work?, the Paramount, MM knows what to do. Maybe while they are at it, the City can right a terrible wrong and return The Jersey to it's rightful owners and allow them to finish the 1st project started on the waterfront that fishman destroyed because of ignorance.. Asbury needs new branding, to be sure. It might be prudent to wait until the brand is established and ready. Oh to reopen the circuit and the 30 bars that defined AP in the 70's.. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] just when you thought it was safe....
So, I am reading in digest mode, my 4th Asbury yahoo digest in less than 24 hours. Might I add that the AP Yahoo group has been a great read of late. All you new folks jumping in has brought fresh perspective and insight that has been simply wonderful after the 3 4 and 5 way cyber wars we have mostly fought here. So, as I was saying, I am reading this long and interesting thread about boardwalk proposals and I keep wanting to reply that it's all well and good to have these magnificent ideas, from $1 hot dogs to 4 story Natatoriums, it's a whole different thing to have the money to speculate on building such things. Then I started thinking about the beginning of the fishman era in Asbury Park. A period in America's recent financial news that seems long ago forgotten. You remember, when it seemed everybody was really rich buying old Victorian houses for 135 grand, watching the AP real estate market catch up to the rest of the shore market really fast. When every developer along the NE corridor walked in and walked out of fishman's office. Had those developers been able to make a deal, surely half, if not more, of those projects would be finished and Asbury could possibly be looking like the condo corridor they built in Long Branch. Instead we got lucky. Because then I started thinking about the resources that are still left in Asbury Park. And then Werner says again as he has been saying on this board for a long time... Its not hard to figure out (except perhaps by developers). Use existing assets and historic linkages. Convention Hall Paramount Theater Casino Caraousel House Casino Arena (rebuild it) 5th Avenue Pavilion (restore it) Other Pavilions (this one they understand somewhat) Boardwalk/Beach Parking What I found particularly offensive and short-sighted at the Council Meeting presentation was the statement that they were Re-Branding Asbury Park. *And he is so correct it is not worth arguing.* So, we got lucky. fishman failed at developing anything so we don't have condo corridor and all we can do is hope and pray that the MM people know how to figure out how to. Use existing assets and historic linkages.like Convention Hall, the Paramount Theater and the Casino Caraousel House Casino Arena (rebuild it)5th Avenue Pavilion (restore it)Other Pavilions (this one they understand somewhat) the Boardwalk/Beach Parking. just when you thought it was safe along comes werner preaching the gospel according to asbury park because when MM starts talking branding and not restoration of existing assets we are going to be looking pretty stupid in 2017 with c-8 howling in the wind and beirut meeting the debris by the sea..
[AsburyPark] west side story
I have said before that I believe the C-8 site to be the heart of Asbury Park and I still believe that. What I mean by heart is that C-8 is the symbol of all the bad that has happened and all the great things that can happen. Only C-8 is symbolic to the outsiders, to those who only know Asbury from their pre-riot youth and from what they read in the APP and TCN. They don't walk the streets, shop the stores, or drink the water; rather they drive through, lament the circuit and get out of dodge before the shooting starts. To those of us who toil daily in Asbury Park it is the west side that controls the destiny of the cities future. The west side ensured the future of the resort that Mr. Bradley built when he realized that someone would have to clean up after the day trippers and vacationing boarders who flocked to Asbury by the thousands when he first built it. And Asbury thrived for many up to the 4th of July riots. Since then, with Springwood Avenue in ashes, Asbury Park has thrived for only the connected corrupt few and the scum bag slum lords who collect their rent from afar and could care less if AP lives or dies. Until the city rolls up their collective sleeves and pours all her resources into revitalizing the other side of the tracks, Asbury will continue to fluctuate between looking like it's back and looking like it's on crack. We can postulate from now until forever about all the things we would like to see and should be done on the West Side. A redevelopment plan is in the works. These redevelopment plans suck. They stifle creativity, they put all the controls in the hands of very few people who act on what is best for them and not best for the city. Take the SHACKLES off the west side, blow off any redevelopment plans. Use strict zoning enforcement to get every property on the west side within the law and allow private developers to use their own money to develop all the vacant and vacated properties on the west side. Let capitalism work. Drive around the west side, for every shit hole property there is a beautiful house that needs a dedicated owner to fix it up. The influx of newbies who over the past 6 years, or since Shep opened up Paradise, who bought all those illustrious Victorian houses and restored them is what got Asbury back on track. The exact same thing can happen on the west side. Surely it will take much more to kick off the west side revival than opening a dance club. Ridding the streets of these gangs is a nationwide problem that seemingly is getting worse rather than better. Today, driving Broadway in Long Branch after dark is no longer as scary as it was 5 years ago. Somehow the gangs aren't walking Broadway and controlling that turf as they once did. So it is possible. A concerted effort by everyone from the city council and Police Department to the tenants who live on the west side and worriedly see their kids off to school every morning have to band together. Once our gang is more powerful than their gang, our gang will win. When stores are built and open on Springwood ave again that anyone would go to shop, then we can truly say that Asbury is back. As long as Springwood and the surrounding area are not even safe for the fine people who live there, Asbury will continue to be a city in turmoil. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Affordable housing
JR said...(why do we have more school districts than towns anyway?); Because that is how (they) steal money and not get caught.. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re:More productive topics...
It has always mystified me how the great citizenry of Asbury Park can whine about outsiders coming into AP. We have even had anonymous a~~holes calling good, hard working people carpet baggers and worse on this digest. What I wonder when I listen to these ridiculous rants is how they can so proud of a city that since 1970 has been in steady decline, rotting at the core with corruption and crime ruling the city. That the city has turned it around is clearly the result of a a cool and creative wave of new people coming to Asbury, buying old ruined Victorians and restoring them to their former grandeur. If it wasn't for this influx of (:bennies:) the property values would still be in the toilet and slumlords would still be ruling Asbury Park. Of the myriad of mistakes made since lying Larry Fishman came to town, the number one mistake was embracing a non-developer like Fishman, and busting the balls of every good, hard working, independent developer/builder who came to town, took on the ridiculous building department and ultimately had their projects stalled, stopped, or worse while amateurs scrutinized every aspects of their applications. The best example would be the 300 block of 4th ave. Saved from being overcrowded, crime riddled slums, these 2 buildings were refurbished with private money but the needless delays on both projects took all profit out of them and now 304 4th ave is once again rife with section 8 prostitutes and drug dealers while 301 4th sits mostly vacant with a very tenuous future. To all of you so proud of your long and illustrious citizenship in AP, get off your asses and make sure the welcome mat is held out to any and all new people who want to move their home or business to Asbury Park. Because anyone who thinks the AP Partners, Westminsters and Metro Homes of the world give a rats ass about anything besides profits you are wildly mistaken. There is nothing wrong with profits mind you, just not at the cost of the future of the city. It would be wrong not to add that the Asbury building and code departments have been revamped and revitalized and are a pleasure to business with these days. It is going to be the private sector that will continue Asbury's comeback. That and taking off the restrictions on the west side by allowing capitalism to taker the reins on the west side, open the vacant properties tied up forever by the crooked nose. Get the government out of the rebuilding of the west side and the west side will be done before the waterfront. And the people who have suffered the most the past 37 years, the citizens who live on the west side more than deserve to have their neighborhoods revitalized. Once the west side starts coming back and becomes safe for all people, you will be amazed at some of the houses that are just dying for the newbie makeover. . Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] it's about time
*TRENTON* — A unanimous vote by the state Assembly Monday made it official: The entire state Legislature wants the decision to close Fort Monmouth reversed. In its last voting session before the new Legislature takes office, the Assembly passed a resolution calling for the reversal of the federal decision to close the 90-year-old Army post. The measure — sponsored by Assembly members Michael J. Panter Jr., D-Monmouth, and Jennifer Beck, R-Monmouth — was approved by an 80-0 vote. The symbolic, nonbinding measure was the second of two resolutions concerning the fort coming out of Trenton in less than a month. The Senate in December also passed unanimously an identical measure sponsored by Sens. Ellen Karcher, D-Monmouth, and Joseph M. Kyrillos Jr., R-Monmouth. Fort Monmouth — which employs more than 5,000 people, supports another 22,000 jobs and pumps about $3.2 billion into the state's economy — is a casualty of the 2005 Base Realignment and Closure round, the Pentagon's nationwide effort to streamline the military and save money. Much of the fort's mission is scheduled to be transferred to Maryland's Aberdeen Proving Ground by 2011. But the decision to close the post was based on grossly inaccurate cost information that smacks of a bait and switch, Panter said. This resolution formalizes New Jersey's demand that they reverse the decision to close Fort Monmouth, Panter said. This at least shows that both Republicans and Democrats are unified in our support for the fort and in our demand that it be left open. The resolution cites an Asbury Park Press investigation that has revealed the cost to shutter the post and move the bulk of its research and development mission to Maryland has nearly doubled since 2005, from $780 million to $1.5 billion. It also has revealed that Defense Department officials knew the official cost estimate to close the fort was wrong but chose to ignore the information. The investigation found that the overall estimated cost of the 2005 BRAC round has grown from about $21 billion to about $31.2 billion in the two years since the decisions were made. A recent audit of the 2005 BRAC decisions by the federal Government Accountability Office supports the Press' findings. Had the BRAC Commission had access to all relevant information prior to making its decision and known that the cost of closing and moving the base would be so high, it is possible that the members of the commission would not have voted to close Fort Monmouth, the resolution reads. The fact that this resolution was passed with bipartisan support is an important statement that needs to be made — that the DOD used wrong information and that this issue requires further review, Beck said. This unifies our state behind this issue and expresses to our federal officials how seriously the people of this state take the closure of Fort Monmouth. While the resolution carries the sense of the Legislature, it lacks the force of law. Still, U.S. Sen. Frank R. Lautenberg, D-N.J., said it is more ammunition to use in the reinvigorated battle to remove the fort from the Pentagon's chopping block. Not only could closing the fort hurt the effort of our troops in the field, but Pentagon estimates of the costs of closing the base have nearly doubled in the two-plus years since our initial objections, Lautenberg said in a statement. This resolution adds another important voice to our effort to reverse the decision to close Fort Monmouth. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] think about it
So I am enjoying a cold beer and clams at Sallie Tee's in Monmouth Beach last night. Sallie Tee's is a great spot. There were a bunch a track folks at the bar, discussing rumors that Monmouth Park will be closed within 5 years.because it isn't making any money. See my last post about Fort Monmouth, can you imagine the windfall if Fort Monmouth and Monmouth get closed down and all those acres come back to the towns where they are? The areas these two entities cover is immense and the location couldn't be any more valuable than if it was in Manhattan proper. Now that is a redevelopment project that only fishman could eff up:) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Bridge safety research program in works
Bridge safety research program in works A report found a third of N.J.'s spans were not up to par. Another priced fixes at $13.6 billion. By Tom Hester Jr. Associated Press TRENTON - With a third of New Jersey bridges considered either obsolete or deficient, state legislators yesterday moved to create a bridge safety research program meant to prevent a collapse similar to the one that killed 13 people in Minnesota. A recent state report on the 6,400 large bridges in New Jersey found 4,200 bridges in good condition, but 1,500 obsolete bridges and about 700 deficient bridges. The report was ordered by Gov. Corzine following the Aug. 1 collapse along I-35W in Minneapolis. Another report estimated the state would have to spend $13.6 billion in the next 10 years to fix its bridges. Assemblyman John Wisniewski proposed having Rutgers University create a program to study bridge degradation, improved design methods, and new methods for building, testing and repairing state bridges. His bill would provide $500,000 to start the program and at least $1 million more in coming years to keep it running. Preparation now will help prevent catastrophic failures in the future, said Wisniewski (D., Middlesex). The bill was released yesterday by the Assembly Transportation Committee chaired by Wisniewski and can now be considered by the full Assembly. Under the plan, Rutgers' Center for Advanced Infrastructure and Transportation would create the program. Ali Maher, the center's director, said the funding would help Rutgers find new bridge technology and lure federal research money. We would like to look into and get a better understanding of how bridges deteriorate, Maher said. But Assemblywoman Jennifer Beck (R., Monmouth) questioned why legislators would give $1.5 million to Rutgers while the state Transportation Department oversees and inspects bridges. At a time when we don't have a lot of money in the state of New Jersey, why aren't we supplementing DOT? Beck asked. Wisniewski said Rutgers' research could break new ground. We want to be ahead of the curve, Maher added. Corzine is finalizing a plan to pay state debt and repair transportation infrastructure such as bridges by increasing highway tolls. Corzine hasn't said how much tolls may increase, but Transportation Commissioner Kris Kolluri has said the state needs to increase tolls 45 percent just to widen the New Jersey Turnpike and fix bridges on it and the Garden State Parkway. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] netiquette
who wrote(posted) posted this? The threat of Islamofascists , justifies one race taking over the country of the natives. See Eastern Europeans and Arab Jews, taking over Palestine, renaming the country Israel and demonizing the Palestinians, as Islamic Fascists! The US, turns its' head the other way and allows, the bulldozing of homes, the raping of women and emasculation of Arab men! Because the people who read this yahoo group by getting individual emails simply hit reply when they want to jump into a discussion, those of us who read in digest format get never ending posts that often contain the previous 10 posts from that day, thereby making it impossible to what amounts to a 2 way argument more suited over cocktails. so, in reading the above, I think it was 2fine4u who wrote those alarming words, among much more alarming verbiage. But i can't be sure. edit your posts please, remove you aol ads and anything that isn't relevant to exactly what you are talking about. If we had a moderator, they would delete these reply posts that are not readable. Happy Friday Asbury Park Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
Only unpatriotic, America hating jack asses blame Bush for 9/11. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] note, this is sent with yongue firmly in cheek
Tommie wrote... I happen to strive for responsibility in journalism Then explain why you write for the TCN? Also, why are you on hiatus?. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] now what
So, can we speculate? What is the worse case scenario for C-8? What can filing a lawsuit accomplish? Will the site sit again for 20 years? Is this site truly the heart and soul of Asbury Park? Were there any representatives from the TriCity News at the news conference? How many of the eateries in downtown AP will still be in business come the 4th of July 2008? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] crybaby
Friends Jennifer Hampton and Jennifer Graef always have enjoyed going into New York City to look at art. But why spend hours traveling to New York when they can bring the artwork they love down here? We had a couple of friends who had galleries, and we said, Why don't we do this?' Hampton said. The idea for Crybaby Gallery, an art gallery in Asbury Park, was born. The women opened the place on a second-floor loft at 706 Cookman Ave. in December 2006. Last week, they moved to a storefront across the street at 717 Cookman Ave. The gallery specializes in easily attainable art for the people by artists who are not in the mainstream, said Hampton, 33, of Asbury Park. C.J. (Graef) and I found ourselves going into the city a lot to see artwork that we couldn't find anywhere else. Both women wanted to be in business for themselves. Hampton has worked as an actress in independent films. She has managed a restaurant and now also works at Asbury Lanes, where she books bands and curates art shows. I just got to the point where I was like, wow, I really can't control my own destiny,' she said. It is dependent on somebody saying yes,' so I said, forget that.' Graef worked for about seven years at a company that rented audio, visual and lighting equipment. I always wanted to open my own business, and Jen wanted that, too, said Graef, 30, of Long Branch. At first, the duo thought about starting a tea house and art gallery that would specialize in teas from around the world. But they couldn't find suitable space. So they decided to focus on an art gallery. It took a year to find a location. They played with a few ideas, such as renting a house and showing art on every floor. But they passed, choosing a second-floor space on Cookman. We wanted to be taken seriously. It is hard enough to sell the art as is, Hampton said. The two used money from family to help start the business, Graef said. They decided to name the business Crybaby Gallery. My partner, C.J., she's a crier, Hampton said with a smile. You ever meet criers? They cry when they're happy. They cry when they're sad. They cry when they're frustrated. They cry at the drop of a hat. The first show featured local artists. We invited all of our friends and local artists. They were excited to have a new place to show, Hampton said. It was better to have a trial-and-error on our friends. They also experimented to determine the right mix for the gallery. They showcased the work of local photographers in one show and also had shows that featured erotic art. Our first year was testing different markets, different genres of what people would buy, Hampton said. We found what people would buy and what people didn't buy. But there was a problem: the gallery's second floor. They put a sign outside and a sticker on the door, but people did not want to venture upstairs. We would be really packed for our openings, but walk-in traffic was not something that happened, Hampton said. They decided to move, Graef said. With any business, you have to get exposure, she said. Being upstairs is not so welcoming. A storefront across the street was vacant, so they moved in last week. The first day we were open, we had more traffic through here than the last month we were open at the last gallery, Hampton said. It is a good sign. Graef said she enjoys the business. It's a struggle, but at the end of the day when I am home, I am saying, I am happy.' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] 1/3 of one degree.
Tommie, can you hear me? Go to the mir..er...window. Yer right, .3334 of a degree is a little less than .4. But when you look out that window, past rigor's assassin, can't you see the errors. Poisonous exhaust literally choking our atmosphere. Unholy wars fought over it. Environmental holocaust around the globe resultant from the mining of fossil fuels. A little common sense can go a long way. Maybe Gore is wrong about global warming. Wouldn't surprise me. But he isn't wrong that these issues aren't poison. and still has the balls to say... If none of you can see that the issues of setting aside enormous amounts of land in rich towns like Marlboro and Middletown and that poorer people can't find places to live are connected, then it's not worth discussing it with you. C'mon argue with that, because all this money .Hazlet, $238,000 for boardwalk, gazebo, and tennis court improvements as well as a new skate park area at Veterans? Memorial Park. • Howell, $150,000 for improvements to a 178-acre park, including two off-leash dog areas, fountains, benches and fencing. • Sea Bright, $153,000 for the improvements to an oceanfront park including the creation of a concrete skateboard park. • Sea Girt, $238,000 for a cooperative project with the Board of Education to create a new, multi-use play facility to support municipal recreation programs. • Union Beach, $103,000 for Phase 2 of a project to rehabilitate and expand Scholer Park. will go to waste, will be stole, will be stolen again, will be given to somebody's bro-in-law just because. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] mumblin stumblin walkin humble
lehinge wrote... It boogles the mind to think that a person could see something bad about wanting to preserve open spaces in the Garden State and Joni Mitchell wrote... Both Sides, Now by Joni Mitchell Rows and flows of angel hair Hazlet, $238,000 for boardwalk, gazebo, and tennis court And ice cream castles in the air And feather canyons everywhere I've looked at clouds that way But now they only block the sun Howell, $150,000 for improvements to a 178-acre park They rain and snow on everyone So many things I would have done But clouds got in my way I've looked at clouds from both sides now From up and down, and still somehow Sea Bright, $153,000 for the improvements to an oceanfront park It's cloud illusions I recall I really don't know clouds at all Moons and Junes and Ferris wheels The dizzy dancing way you feel As ev'ry fairy tale comes real I've looked at love that way But now it's just another show You leave 'em laughing when you go And if you care, don't let them know Don't give yourself away I've looked at love from both sides now From give and take, and still somehow It's love's illusions I recall I really don't know love at all Tears and fears and feeling proud To say I love you right out loud Dreams and schemes and circus crowds I've looked at life that way But now old friends are acting strange They shake their heads, they say I've changed Well something's lost, but something's gained In living every day I've looked at life from both sides now From win and lose and still somehow It's life's illusions I recall I really don't know life at all I've looked at life from both sides now From up and down, and still somehow It's life's illusions I recall I really don't know life at all Copyright © 1969; Siquomb Publishing Company Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] mumblin stumblin walkin humble
lehinge wrote... It boogles the mind to think that a person could see something bad about wanting to preserve open spaces in the Garden State and Joni Mitchell wrote... Both Sides, Now by Joni Mitchell Rows and flows of angel hair Hazlet, $238,000 for boardwalk, gazebo, and tennis court And ice cream castles in the air And feather canyons everywhere I've looked at clouds that way But now they only block the sun Howell, $150,000 for improvements to a 178-acre park They rain and snow on everyone So many things I would have done But clouds got in my way I've looked at clouds from both sides now From up and down, and still somehow Sea Bright, $153,000 for the improvements to an oceanfront park It's cloud illusions I recall I really don't know clouds at all Moons and Junes and Ferris wheels The dizzy dancing way you feel As ev'ry fairy tale comes real I've looked at love that way But now it's just another show You leave 'em laughing when you go And if you care, don't let them know Don't give yourself away I've looked at love from both sides now From give and take, and still somehow It's love's illusions I recall I really don't know love at all Tears and fears and feeling proud To say I love you right out loud Dreams and schemes and circus crowds I've looked at life that way But now old friends are acting strange They shake their heads, they say I've changed Well something's lost, but something's gained In living every day I've looked at life from both sides now From win and lose and still somehow It's life's illusions I recall I really don't know life at all I've looked at life from both sides now From up and down, and still somehow It's life's illusions I recall I really don't know life at all Copyright © 1969; Siquomb Publishing Company Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] PUBLISHER DECEIVED, CON GUSTO
PUBLISHER DECEIVED, CON GUSTO For the eight years he's been publishing the Asbury Park-based triCity News, Dan Jacobson has been angling for a dinner invite from Red Bank Mayor Pasquale Menna. As readers of redbankgreen know, Menna is a foodie who has his own chef's smock with his first name emblazoned in red over the breast. Jacobson has been aware of Menna's cooking jones longer than we have, and has gotten miles of copy out of it, too. In print, Jacobson rarely mentions Menna without including an open, rather shameless plea for an invitation to one of Menna's dinner parties. In particular, he pines a forkful of Menna's broccoli orecchiette. It's embarassing, really, an exercise in groveling that never ends. So given his infatuation with Menna's vaunted culinary skills (which we at redbankgreen can attest to, as can a bunch of kids at the Red Bank Primary School), it's easy to see how Jacobson allowed himself to be deceived, as he apparently was this week, into thinking that he was making progress with his campaign. The latest triCity reports that someone sent the newspaper, anonymously, a recipe for orecchiette with broccoli rabe and spicy sausage. Jacobson ran the full recipe (Bring a large pot of water to a boil with the salt...) and a headshot of Menna. And in couple of lines of text pounded out at the triCity's Red Bank bureau — a worn leather chair at Zebu Forno — Jacobson speculates on who sent it. We've written about the famed dinner parties of Red Bank Mayor Pasquale 'Pat' Menna, where Orecchiette with Broccoli is a specialty. But we've never been invited! Did the mayor send us a Christmas gift... or did some reader take pity on our taste buds? We prefer the former... we do believe, we do believe... Of course, actually contacting Menna to ask him whether it was his recipe and if he'd sent it isn't Jacobson's style. Thought it's printed on newsprint, the triCity is essentially a blog — by which we mean a running opinion piece — that's only vaguely aware that the Internet exists. Actual reporting only gets in the way of publishing deadlines and Jacobson's trips to the bank. So we called Menna ourselves. I have no idea what's he's talking about, Menna said, adding that he hadn't seen this week's triCity and wasn't aware of the item. All I know is that it didn't come from me, he said of the recipe. I've been concerned about more important things. He alluded to the recent shootings and other crimes on the West Side, as well as to the political confusion in Matawan, where he serves as the borough attorney. (Last month's mayoral election there resulted in a dead-even tie between the incumbent — and occasional Menna dinner companion — Mary Aufseeser and Republican challenger Paul Buccellato, resulting in the need for a do-over. The election has been scheduled for Jan. 15, two weeks after the borough is obligated by law to do it's annual government reorganization, leaving open not only the question of who'll be in charge in the interim, but also who gets to vote — all registered voters, or only those who voted the first time around?) He's been so busy, Menna tells us, that I haven't even been cooking. Of course, we're just teasing Jacobson here. While all of the foregoing is true, it's really no more than a Jacobsonian pretext to get readers to pick up the triCity this week. Why? Because it contains an excellent cover story about redbankgreen — well reported and tasty, too. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] to the point
The mighty oak went on Point has kiddie rides. Point has rental housing. Point has motels. Point is clean. Point feels safe. Point has Martells. Point has Pepsi sponsoring. Point has entertainment. Point has weekly fireworks. Point Pleasant has all these things and more, the one thing Point Pleasant doesn't have is an inner city population and all the good bad and ugly that comes with the inner city blues. Chief among them, riots, violent crime, gangs, drugs, prostitutes. But the biggest difference today between AP PP, they don't have Larry Fishman dragging their city down. later on ewosap wrote... i just hope everyone gets over it. asbury isn't the esperanza. i do hope madison marquette hangs around: I am not sure who this person is, they are either new to AP, or a thick skinned native who is used to watching as AP effs up everything that takes vision and forward thinking. At the C-8 implosion I asked 8 or 10 long time APers what they thought would happen on the site. A few thought the pile of steel would sit there for years, a few thought a building would magically rise from the site, most said that a skeleton would rise and fail. GET OVER IT? Are you kidding. Whether any of us want to admit it or not, C-8 is the heart and soul of post riot Asbury Park. The relief of no longer having to look at, let alone listen to, the decayed steel corpse, was amazing. At the time, The Baronet was just coming together, new businesses were rocking on cookman and, and, eroh yeah...Greetings From Asbury Park.. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] from city web site
Events for 12/14/2007 Start Time9:00 AM Title Council Meeting Location Council Chambers Extra Details December 11, 2007 City Desk: Please be advised that the Mayor and Council of the City of Asbury Park will hold a Special Meeting on Friday, December 14, 2007, at 9:00 AM in the City of Asbury Park Council Chambers, Bangs Avenue, Asbury Park. The City Council intends to go into Executive Session to discuss contract negotiations regarding Metro Homes/Waterfront Redevelopment/ Subsequent Developer Agreement issues. At the conclusion of the Executive Session, action may be taken in public by the City Council on matters of a financial nature. This notice is being posted in compliance with the Open Public Meeting Act. Yours truly, D.KiKI Tomek Deputy City Clerk Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Could this be a blessing in disguise?
Not a good thing, at least the c-8 site isn't 8 stories high and will only blight the area from the surrounding area. So many keep saying to re-open the wonder bar, fast lane and baronet, we should add reversing the condemnation of the Jersey. All the wrongs that have been heaped upon Asbury Park since Fishman came to town can't be corrected as long as the greed and dishonesty that has permeated the waterfront is cutoff completely. How can anyone plunk down hard earned dollars on the wb, fast lane or theatre knowing what lurks in the background. I dream of getting back into the Baronet and getting the theatre going again. Same for the fast lane and I'd bet all that Debbie would love to have her bar back. Only problem is, who is going to pay? Even if someone had the money to re-open these places, you cannot negotiate with the current people running the waterfront. Basically, if the call you back, a big if, you then have to deal with their total desire to control every penny that goes through your business. Then, once your successful, they pull a Cadillac Ranch and kick you out without explanation or due consideration. Put those properties on the free market and get out of the way, a successful business will develop. Keep the managing partners hand in the cookie jar and you will end up with crumbs, bitter, rotting crumbs. After all these years, how is it possible that there was no performance bond that guaranteed completion of the esperanza? Isn't that standard operating procedure with projects of this scale. The way it sounds, Asbury Partners got Metro to pay 17 million for the developing the c-8 site. Isn't that more than was paid for the entire WRP? Shouldn't there be some kind of guarantee that the project will be finished, and, if not, shouldn't buckets of money and development rights be reverting to the city of asbury park? The late Bill Chinook wrote a great song called The Streets are Paved in Silver, The Sidewalks Paved In Gold obviously he wasn't writing about asbury's streets and sidewalks. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] the lights on Broadway
Taken from the article on theatre restoration... The $850,000 renovation of the State Theater, which dates to 1916, when it opened as the Lyric, was led by Mr. Moore. He coaxed an army of volunteers and professional electricians, carpet installers, carpenters and other craftsman to execute the project in just six weeks. Though it was a highly impressive endeavor by an Academy Award-winning director in his adopted community, it was not unique. The State is one of some two dozen historic movie and performing arts theater restorations occurring this year in small cities around the nation, according to the League of Historic American Theaters in Baltimore. Our next mayor, Le Hinge makes the point that Larry Fishman is allowing The Baronet to waste away and that is oh so true. Despite repeated calls and letters from myself and my partners who helped open the Baronet, not only can we not get the rest of our equipment from the theatre, we can't even discussing a lease on the theatre so that we can finish what we started. The grass roots effort of so many people helped get the Baronet going last year. Fishman, and Deputy Mayor Bruno even read into the record a letter that plainly stated their devotion to the Arts in Asbury and the continuation of the theatre. Fishman, lying all the way, made promise after promise before Fasano sold him the theatre, that he would allow us to continue running the theatre. Obviously that is not the case. Asbury Lanes, The Fast Lane, and The Baronet are a natural and real historic Arts District that would be an inexpensive and easy means of adding a terrific draw to Asbury Park. Hedwig, pre-Fishman, was drawing 300-400 per performance. Independent film premiers sold out the theatre pre-Fishman. Once Fishman took over, and we were denied access to the building, things went downhill fast. That this is way it is with Fishman is no excuse. Fishman had to see that the passion of the people to restore the Baronet was overwhelming, but why would he care what the people who live work and recreate in AP want. Sadly, the 100 grand we sunk into The Baronet goes to waste and Fishman will one day get his way and knock down a truly historic and a damned beautiful little theatre. As for Rev Kev's remark that the theatre would make a good house of worship. That is just what Asbury needs another non-tax paying entity on the blocks. If anyone who wants to can't find a place to pray in Asbury Park, they must not really want to pray. I still hold out hope that Mottolla and MM get control of the Baronet, when I broached the historic arts district to him, he expressed interest. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Law Order Cookman Avenue
Just so ya' know, I jab in jest. So, just like the recycled plots used over and over again on LO, here comes the newest season of mario vs. Tommie, aka, the Teacher on the Right. history is far more sexy Ask a mermaid or a unicorn kept hermetically sealed in a mayonnaise jar Then I make up my own mind.so history gets distorted in order to disparage Michael Finkel. Christmas every year more than two billion pounds of local programming remind me of this conversation about rumors you've recommended more than once that doesn't exist.. Read the New York Times for proof watch both sides that says sometimes Could say more for doing the right thing from Texas with $100 million plus critical thinking.people on this board go for the undistorted Other from APNJ. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] sports and education
Mario and Denise had a short discussion about the varying degrees between supporting education and supporting sports. It might not even qualify as a discussion. Both were making a valid point, and each of their points were valid. A few years back, APHS parents were in an uproar over a controversy regarding a APHS football player. I can't recall the exact details, but it had something to do with eligibility of the star player. I think that in the aftermath, the then Athletic Director got fired and subsequently hit a jail cell for taking bribes as part of the corrupt Ocean Twp Sewer Authority. I was heartened by the extreme show of support by AP parents for their football program, but I came to the same conclusion Mario did. Yes, it was a great show of support for an undefeated football team, but, where, I wondered, was that show of support(and outrage) over the sad state of Asbury's school district? Asbury Park seems to be a front runner, when the team is good support them, when the show is Springsteen support him, but the little guys and the losers are just left behind. Case in point is the nonsensical BS surrounding the little league field. That was such a piece of crap story. Where are the leaders of the community and why wasn't their voices screaming out against the BS? Reidy, the Mayor, Bruno, the Bd of Ed, the school administration. That anything could stop the hard volunteer work of anyone trying to make sports more accessible in a town who's youth are decimated by drugs and gangs is criminal beyond reason. Growing up in Ocean Township and playing little league at Colt Field was a treasured experience that taught life lessons still in use today. To think that the youngsters of AP don't get that equal opportunity is ridiculous. That the kids have achieved so much in the face of such adversity, the HS team going for a championship along with the Pop Warner kids means so much. I hope we all get out there and support them with all we have, I know that I will. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] 10 hours on I-95
Gives you many minutes to ponder. RE: AP needs money: All the ideas presented were execellent. Here is one that, because of the new people in the building dept., is underway. It is, become much, much, much more developer friendly. When we undertook the makeover of the 300 block of 4th Ave, possibly the worst block in the city, the city cost us at least 12 months. Between fighting for permits, getting harassed by zoning, and zero help from anyone in city hall, 2 condo projects that could have meant over 90 new tax paying homeowners, the delays caused our sales to start right when the market started to turn. Instead of welcoming the developers, Fasano, Sigmund and Gifford, they were treated as if they were thieves in the night. City officials should have celebrated the projects and got behind them. The end result, 304 4th ave ended up in auctions and, sadly, the building is reverting to the mess that it was prior to our cleaning in up. I am a very big fan of Terry Reidy, but I put the bulk of the blame on him. Despite our constant begging of him to step in and assist us, he did not. Yes, we deserve a portion of the blame. Stupid arrogance did get in the way. But when you venture millions of your own money, albeit to make money, there should be some give and take. Again, I believe if we started this project under the new building department personnel, the project would have evolved the way we imagined. RE: Hamilton and the drfiveway. I had the same thing happen to me. Gypsy pavers offered to pave my driveway(in Oceanport) for $700. Once they got started it became $3200. I threw them off my property and have enjoyed the hald a driveway they paved. RE: House of Blues. I ask you, is there anyone more connected than our very own Dan S? RE: Moving city hall to the west side. How is this not a no brainer? The West Side of AP has been neglected since day 1. The people who live there have earned and deserve this. Get the project moving and eff the whole idea of a redevelopment poroject. Make the vacant land available, make it available to minority buyers t incredible incentives and get the governing ding bats out of the way and allow captalism, you all remember good old American capitalism, to take over. within a very short period of time, Springwood Ave and the West Side will be transformed into a vibrant, money making community. The nicest people live on the west side, again, they deserve this. RE:The Baronet. Fishman bought the theater promisin(at council meetings) and to the seller, Fasano, that he would keep the Baronet going. He chased us away and the theater is quickly falling into the state it was in when we bought it. I tried to discuss the logical idea of developing the Baronet, Fast Lane and Asbury Lanes, along with the Pryor Pavillion, into what it is. Agenuine Historical Arts District that would be a great tourist draw for the entire city. Larry Fishman refuse my calls, never returned a acall, and when I did finally get to speak with him, he continued his lying ways. The most important thing that can happen is for thsi lying, no account piece fo garbage to be ridden out of Asbury on a rail. He has done the city immeasurable harm. Thankfully, we were able to broach the idea to Gary Mottolla and he was morfe than receptive. Again, Fishman remains in the way. RE: The Blue Bishop football team. Get behind them. These guys, despite the overwhelming odds, are the epitome of champions. While we're at it, we should embrace APHS's glorious sports tradition. The men and woman who excelled are all getting old, there should be something done to preserve the unbelievalble APHS sports tradition. Happy Thanksgiving, I hope the dog finds his way home. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] a political rant
Is anybody else sick to death of the complete and utter bullshit being heaped upon America this election season? Here along the Jersey shore the assembly and senate have become increasingly ugly. For instance, we have two woman running for senator. For all intents and purposes they are both extraordinary candidates. Very sharp, hard working, and ethical woman. I really can't decide who to vote for so I have made a point of reading up on them and trying to catch their debates on ye olde boob toob. For those of you who don't know, NJ sets the standard for political corruption. Along with corruption, we in Monmouth County are now facing the closure of Fort Monmouth. The closure of Fort Monmouth, 90 years old this year. The main defensive and offensive facility to protect NY harbor, Fort Monmouth was instrumental in our winning WWII. Radar and the walkie Talkie were both developed at the fort. In fact, after the war, Bell Labs emerged from fort personnel and our phone system was developed by these electronic engineers. When the BRAC Commission voted to close the fort, CECOM, the communications team at the the fort , were working on a means of detonating roadside bombs so that our soldiers in Iraq wouldn't die from these incessant roadside bombings. Evidently, due to a multitude of reasons, one which was simply a reaction to the loss of jobs and the impending decision to move to wherever they decide to relocate the fort. Well, it's 2+ years after the decision and it has come out that the 750 million dollars needed to close the fort is more like 1.5 billion. This is not a slight error on a calculator. This is outright corruption at the highest level. The 2 leaders of the BRAC Commission both had ties in Maryland where a large chunk of the forts mission is supposed to relocate to. So, you would think that 2 state senate candidates would be hot to trot over this issue. No way, instead the girls are sniping at one another over traffic tickets and other seemingly mindless BS that means nothing. One of the candidates has already spent 4 million dollars on her campaign, most it toward mud slinging ads at her opponent. How about last weeks Democratic debate and the furor over Hillary. Here is a headline from today's NY Times: OP-ED COLUMNIST Prostates and Prejudices By PAUL KRUGMAN Rudy Giuliani has a habit of saying things that are demonstrably untrue. And the American people have a right to know that. Now, no matter what side of the political spectrum you are on, it is plain as daylight that you could take out Rudy and insert Hillary. To think that these two are the front runners to succeed our president is mind boggling. That these two can not utter the truth no matter what is maddening. They will say whatever they have to in order to win the presidency. But that is not the issue. The issue is that nobody seems to care. Let 'em lie, let 'em cheat, let 'em steal. It's as if that has become the American Way. In the wake of Bush and Clinton, somebody needs to rise above this bullshit that is suffocating The American Way of Life. The 2 key issues facing our nation are terrorism and corruption. The war being waged by the DOD against terrorism is so rife with corruption that America stands no chance on winning either battle. That not one candidate, from the locals to the nationals is standing up to this challenge is evidence that we are in deep shit, er, make that deep bullshit. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Ballot Questions
New Jersey voters will decide four public questions during this November's election _ the most submitted to voters by the state since 1995. Voters will be asked whether to: - Permanently dedicate all money earned from last year's sales tax increase to property tax relief. - Approve borrowing $450 million for stem cell research. $ Approve borrowing $200 million for open space preservation. $$$ -Revise language outlining when voting rights can be denied by deleting from the state Constitution the phrase idiot or insane person and replacing it with the phrase person who has been adjudicated by a court of competent jurisdiction to lack the capacity to understand the act of voting. I have always voted yes to preserving open space, but lately I can't help but wonder if it is merely one more legal slush fund for the crooks to keep on lining their old suits. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] another side
Bruce Almighty If rock is dead, nobody told the Boss. * By Hugo Lindgren http://nymag.com/nymag/author_87 Springsteen in the seventies. (Photo: Michael Ochs Archives/Getty Images) Amid the effusion of praise that greeted /Born to Run/ upon its release in 1975, Nik Cohn attempted, in this very magazine, to puncture the myth of Bruce Springsteen. Cohn wasn’t acting completely alone. The New York /Times/ had just published a 2,000-word diatribe against the man not yet known to the world as the Boss, accusing him of fakery, sentimentality, and assorted other crimes against rock. But Cohn was more damning. While admitting that he enjoyed the album for its pomp and “mock-tragic” vision, Cohn declared Springsteen “essentially irrelevant. The rock-and-roll dream that he so avidly celebrates is dead. Understandably, the people who have raised him to godhood find that hard to accept, for it means the death of their own youth. So they manage one last fling.” It’s fair to say that history has proved Cohn wrong. /Born to Run/ has stood up as the archetypal rock album of the seventies, just as /Born in the U.S.A./ may well be the archetypal rock album of the eighties. But Cohn wasn’t crazy or deluded to view Springsteen as an artist trading in spent tropes of youthful rebellion. What he misjudged was the ability of anything else to fully displace those ideas. Disco, punk, post-punk, hip-hop—they all failed to drive Bruce into total obsolescence. He is still here, in his leather jacket and Levi’s, manhandling his beat-up Fender and packing every arena he plays. Do all these people know rock is dead? They don’t give a shit. But now that Springsteen is pushing 60, you have to wonder, how much longer can he play the guitar-wielding rock hero? His release last year of a Pete Seeger tribute album, though hardly his first foray into folk, suggested an artist in transition, perhaps to a quieter, more contemplative phase. But the raucous, vaudevillian shows he played on the Seeger tour were anything but contemplative. Now he’s back with /Magic/, his fifteenth album, for which he’s regrouped with his arena-rocking pals, the E Street Band. On the first song, “Radio Nowhere,” the guitars kick right in, and he starts hollering about his need for “pounding drums” and “a world with some soul.” It’s nothing terribly exciting—the main riff has the /faux/ edge that you used to hear from alternative-rock bands making their major-label debuts—but Springsteen sounds genuinely engaged and pissed off. Unfortunately, he doesn’t quite keep it up. Though his voice is strong and sincere throughout the album, most of the material has a certain karaoke-like vibe. All but “Radio Nowhere” and the gentle, melancholic title track have what sound to my ears like obvious antecedents in his back catalogue: You’ll Be Comin’ Down = Lucky Town Livin’ in the Future = Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out Gypsy Biker = The River I’ll Work for Your Love = Thunder Road Last to Die = Roulette The rote familiarity of the material is compounded by the fact that the E Street Band tackles every song—and that’s the word, tackle, as in football—with, at best, dutiful competence. Their skills are suited to huge places. The rhythm section pounds away as if every room has the intimacy of Madison Square Garden. And all apologies to Clarence Clemons, but I’ve heard better saxophone playing on subway platforms. A license to tour, that’s what this album really is. Once upon a time, bands toured to support albums; now they release albums to support tours. And at this point, Springsteen’s appeal is only partly about music. His boomer fans revere him also as a role model—of how to grow old with integrity, how to get rich without going soft, how to not lose all your hair, how to not get fat, how to not turn into someone who would embarrass your younger self. It’s not eternal youth he symbolizes so much as a version of middle age that you wouldn’t be afraid to look at in the mirror. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] rock star
Crumbling down to the ground, a wasteland of filth and decay.. Tommie goes out on a limb and rips Asbury Park's prodigal son because he has the temerity to not only preach politics from his stage, but to preach politics akin to Tommie's liking. Polarization in a world of global warming. Where was that disdain 3 years ago when Bruce actually allowed John Kerry on his stage and used that Fender Esquire to try to get Kerry elected? An over-simplification of Bruce Springsteen's career can divide it into 3 stages. In the beginning, there was this kid with raw talent who surrounded himself with th very best players around because of that raw talent. The shows and music that the young Springsteen produced were so extraordinary that they have never been eclipsed by anyone in the history of RR. The highlight of these shows were the raps. Long pontifications on whatever was on the kid's mind. These raps were heartfelt, off the cuff, and solidified the fans attachment to this raw and unique talent. Listen to the first 3 albums and you get to understand what I am talking about. The 2nd stage is the period from Born to Run to Born in the USA. The raw talent was harvested and through hard work, virtuous living and a total committed allegiance to the music, the raw talent went from a local hero to an international star, arguably, the biggest rock star of them all. The Darkness on th Edge of Town album and The River best sum up that devotion and commitment to the music that brought him that unparalleled success. Darkness was a deeply personal album, fraught with the legal battle fought to gain artistic(contractual) freedom, and the River was a celebration of that freedom. Rich with songs that paid homage to the melodies and rhythms that are the history of RR. Financial independence, some of the greatest epic live shows in the history of RR, and a divorce and a marriage put the artist in a cozy, warm place where the demons and devils were put at bay and allowed the artists muse to do whatever he wanted. The 3rd stage goes from Tom Joad to Human Touch to Pete Seeger, music that was meant not so much a s a message but as a means of expression that the artist was now able to do whatever he pleased and his audience could jump on board or not, it was up to them. You might not know it, but there are audience members at todays Springsteen shows who barely know the first three albums. These fans got hooked by Tom Joad and Nebraska, dropped out for the Human Touch stuff and then jumped back in during the Seeger Sessions. There are also a strong contingent of fans who got hooked by the human touch albums and were saved by The Rising, took a break during the seeger sessions and are now the most rabid of fans as the rock has returned to the stage. Of course there are many of us who have treated every note played since Dr Zoom as the end all be all of rock and roll music. There is one constant thread throughout this long and lustrous career. And that is the devotion, honesty, sincerity and total commitment to the music and his fans throughout the years has not wavered one little bit. It is because of this long and unwavering commitment that affords Springsteen the command of his stage. And from that stage he can do whatever he pleases, and he has. From taking 300 year old Broadside ballads and rocking them up, to inviting his politician of choice to join him on stage and to stump for that politicians. After all these years of not only giving the fans what they wanted, but giving all of himself as well, he has more than earned the right. And just because you don't agree with what he is saying gives you know right to do anything other than not listen. Just think what this tour would look like if Bruce was preaching the other sides politics. Do you think Bruce and Matt Lauer would still be buddying up to promote his latest release? I highly doubt it. Sure, you can rail on Bruce because he isn't just shutting up and singing, though I never heard anyone complain when he would go into a 25 minute rap on the virtues of growing up on the Jersey Shore and battling his father and his lust for some girl named Mary. It's only when Bruce's rap stopped supporting your rap that shutting up and sing came into the discussion. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Spam + Moral Indignation =
Total ruination. The Light House Mission has totally screwed up this board. There are now 2, possibly 3 people posting all hours of the day. Thy would have been bounced multiple times if there was an active moderator. Asbury Park has a fire that could have cost the lives of many people. The APFD deserves some of this space Please quit encouraging this nonsense. And you KB, have zero right to outanyone's name that posts here. Justifiedright said...(and I agree and support him(and SUFA) all th way. 1.15. Re: Jersey Shore Rescue Mission Posted by: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] justifiedright Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:12 pm (PST) Let's not let Reverend Brown draw us into irrelevant arguments. Our problem with the mission is that they draw in homeless from all over the state, so they are people that would not be Asbury's moral obligation to help; that would be the moral obligation of their own towns. The fact that they are being brought here means those town's people should get Kevin Brown's lecture; not AP. However, ONCE AGAIN as always happens in the long history of AP, people from outside Asbury Park bring to our town problems they would never think of bringing to their own towns. Asbury does a great deal to help the poor already - more than Long Branch, so go straight to hell Kevin Brown. Don't you look down your nose at Asbury people with psuedo moral authority about helping the poor when we are already doing more than you. Go add up the numbers, hypocrite. Talk to me when LB has a higher percentage of low income housing than AP. Talk to me when LB has the county methodone clinic, a center for aids, food pantries, etc. You should be so embarrased about your own lack of help for the poor in LB that you should skulk away and not post here. I'm sure you will anyway. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] monopoly
Werner, free at last, wrote, Of course such an obvious 'redevelopment' project will certainly be poo-pooed by the powers that be. Let's get specific with regards to this statement. Asbury Partner's mouthpiece has stated unequivocally that they, AP Partners, will own 100% of the retail in the entire waterfront. For Mr. Sitar to put his carousel in the Casino would cost Mr. Sitar umpteen millions of dollars. Try and approach the lying weasel with an idea for the waterfront, he won't return your calls or ignore you. Now if Madison Marquette ever wrests control from them, maybe things can change for the better. To see the Carousel spin again would be beyond words. How come there hasn't been nary a post involving the downtown street scape plan? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] spam and flame wars
There are a couple ways to read the yahoo asbury group. One is individual emails, the other is in digest form which means a number of posts are combined into one long email. You can also go to the web page and read all the posts there. I choose, as do many others, digest mode. In the last digest I received 8, almost half the posts, were from one person. On many boards and internet groups, that is called spam and the person would get kicked off the board. In fact, of those 8 posts, most were either one line answers or blank repostings of a previous post. Combine that with the incessant flame wars that a few people seem to constantly engage in and the waste of bandwidth reaches epic proportions. Flame wars are arguments, usually personal, between a couple of people. It is very easy to reply directly to a person and take care of your issues with that person, just between the two of you. Just for kicks, here are a set of rules on another group I belong to. I didn't write them, I try to abide by them. This is a music specific site, so there is a a difference in topic, but it might help our discourse. The founders of the asbury yahoo group have signed off the list and therefore, no one is in control of this group. Anyone who wants to can type anything they want, as long as the content doesn't violate the yahoo terms of service, nothing will happen. All that means is that we have to police ourselves, show a little common courtesy and respect to one another and contribute to the various interesting asbury centric discussions. By doing so, maybe all the lurkers out there will jump in as well. * Some general guidelines http://oink.cd/redir.php?url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php. * Don't use all capital letters, excessive !!! (exclamation marks) or ??? (question marks), it seems like you're shouting! * No lame referral schemes. This includes freeipods.com, freepsps.com, or any other similar scheme in which the poster gets personal gain from users clicking a link. * No asking for money for any reason whatsoever. We don't know or care about your friend who lost everything, or dying relative who wants to enjoy their last few moments alive by being given lots of money. * No posting music requests in forums, there's a request link on the top bar, please use that instead. * No flaming, be pleasant and polite. Don't use offensive language, and don't be confrontational for the sake of confrontation. * Don't point out or attack other members' share ratios. A higher ratio does not make you better than someone else. * * * Use descriptive and specific subject lines. This helps others decide whether your particular words of wisdom relate to a topic they care about. * Try not to post comments that don't add anything to the discussion. When you're just cruising through a thread in a leisurely manner, it's not too annoying to read through a lot of hear, hear's and I agree's. But if you're actually trying to find information, it's a pain in the neck. So save those one-word responses for threads that have degenerated to the point where none but true aficionados are following them any more. Or short: NO spamming * Refrain from quoting excessively. When quoting someone, use only the portion of the quote that is absolutely necessary. * No posting of requests for serials or cracks. No links to warez or crack sites in the forums. * Please refrain from starting political or religious discussions. These types of discussions lead to arguments and flaming users, something that will not be tolerated. This is a filesharing community in which we share music and apps. * Don't waste other people's bandwidth by posting images of a large file size. * Be patient with newcomers. Once you have become an expert, it is easy to forget that you started out as a newbie too. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re:The Great Iraq Swindle
Isn't it time to get media blitz crazy over the constant and gargantuan mistakes being made by our military machine. The article Dan posted the URL for is just one more glaring case of corruption, greed and incompetence that pervades almost every story you read that starts with the DOD. Closer to home, the travesty that was the BRAC decision to close Fort Monmouth is extraordinary. Somehow they mistakenly estimated it would cost 750 million to close Fort Monmouth. The real cost is closer to 1.5 billion and rising. Talk about preserving our historical relics. Fort Monmouth was as important to winning WWII as Los Alamos. Radar, walkie talkies etc. I shudder to think how many American soldiers are dead or maimed because the mission at CECOM was interrupted by a partisan and corrupt vote to close a fort that has served honorably and admirably since before WWII. Unbelievable. Remember the armor-less hummers. Soldiers in Iraq having to secure their vehicles. How many mansions were bought stateside by civilians who profited from those Hummer acquisitions. If only the stark raving mad media would cover important issues like the greed and corruption that is tearing our nation apart instead of whether Britney wears underwear and who Paris is giving hummers we would all be a whole lot better off. Political pollution all around, in the air and on the ground. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Piece of Asbury Park history gone - I'm sad today
I'm ignorant? Werner, you fool, I am joking. I was joking. Just trying to lighten the moment. You know, your incessant flogging of everybody and everything in AP is what is ignorant. You can't see the forest for the trees and that is very sad. New topic,, Maureen's roofing question. The insurance these guys carry has nothing to do with workmanship. With roofers especially, getting the right guy is critical. Roofing is one of, if not the, most difficult jobs in construction. Difficult in 2 ways. One, it's damn hard work, two, you have to know what your doing. More roofers suffer serious accidents than any other trade. If you had a roof done and the job wasn't done right, forget trying to get it done right by the wrong guy. Find another roofer. I can give you the name of 2 roofers that know what they are doing if you like. I always thought fluffer-nutter was a term of endearment. I also remember those pool games. Lewis could play, but I believe I beat him once at straight pool in Neptune, but that could be a dream WOW...those with thin skin shouldn't live in shit houses (an old rogue saying.:) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re:Blackmail involving this Group!!!
Tom, Do you know who this person is? If so, out the sucker, we'll blog him back to fountains pens and scratch boards. Dennis Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] anyone can help this chap out?
trying to locate info on my grandfather Elmer Vaughn who was a projectionist at one of the theaters in the Asbury park area during the early 1920s. We found out that he was murdered while walking home with his brother George. Thank you Paul Vaughn email [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted by doorman on May 4, 2007 at 6:42am Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] beirut by the sea
Tommy, you keep referring to Red Bank Regional, Red Bank Regional isn't private. It's an out of district public school, taking all the white kids from Asbury's home district. That's gotta stop. Please do me two favors, explain what your referring to RBR and, would you, or anyone, explain what the Abbott Educational BS is? I would quote Maureen's last post here.. but I won't, to try to prove _Werner's point to ALL who post to this newsgroup._ The long winded, boring, emotional and in terminal discussion under the thread subject of Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting was impossible to read. WHY, because all who joined the fray decided to include every prior word written on the subject with their one sentence response, that is wrong. _*Do Not hit reply. *_Compose, or write, your email to the group. if you feel you need to refer to something someone said, cut and paste the quote, using quotes, into your clean, fresh, uncluttered NEW email to the group. A few people literally resent an entires days worth of posts to us. Sure, scrolling is the best exercise I get, it's the eye fatigue that has me transpired...:) Anyhow, Maureen, and many others, just can't wrap any support to MM and the way things are in AP today. Well, the MM deal is, as TG would say big; to criticize what they are trying to do quickly at the hojo's is easy, but frivolous. Of course they can't build a wonderful, 1st class hot spot in 3 months, the same as we couldn't make the Baronet a world class theatre in 12 months, the effort, acknowledging the need, and the balls to announce the plan is mighty refreshing compared to the past 40 years of decadent decay on the boards in ap. Yes, Maureen, MM is doing their best to cover AP Partners butt here, at least they know how to do it, and that AP Partners got them here and willing to try to do something quick doesn't deserve the endless, incessant put down, no matter how apparent and real the angst. I have been saying this for a few weeks, that I do not believe that Asbury Park has looked as good as it does these days in 40 years, From hwy 35 to the ocean, from wesley to deal lake, ap looks good. So many projects coming to fruition at the same time. The hideous Beirut by the sea label no longer applies. I hear rumors of 16 more cops coming on board very soon, this could be the best summer in ap in a very long time. Sheesh, there was 24 piece orchestra at the baronet on sat night, long way from porn and horror Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] praise the lord I saw the light
some 30 years from now a group of concerned citizens, public officials, and city hall employees will take a long hard look at the brand new lights we're looking at and they will say that the asbury waterfront is doing so fine that it is clearly time to buy new lights and let them shine. somebody said asbury's cookman ave is ? years from having a parking problem and I who park on cookman sometimes 3 or 4 times a day disagree. They also said astutely that when they go to the dublin house they always park a few blocks away and walk. me too. and when the streets surrounding cookman are shining light like the waterfront.a few block walk through downtown ap late at night would be just like a walkin' in the park... ya know when it comes to picking out lights and such, ap can be a pain in the neck wanting to see what your hanging, but in the end the bottom line to the point is the person buying the permit to hang the lights get to choose those lights just like tom thumbs blues Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] blood in my eyes
Tommy wrote... Here I am rambling on this board all time about Bloods in AP and it turns out there is one under my nose in Howell. kudos Tom, one of many reasons you have my support. RE: The radio thin that has been kicked around of late, I do not know why, but I know for a fact that the FCC stopped the station from broadcasting. They are back on the air but where is asburyradio?? I have been discussing with them doing a morning radio show, in English, that would be totally asbury centric. NEWS FROM 4TH AVE. The Baronet Theatre is alive and well, although it hasn't appeared that way, even from these eyes of late. The movies are so hard to do and cost so much to present that we have moved in a totally different direction. This Saturday night Paul Green's School of Rock Presents the music of Jesus Christ Superstar. Tickets are ten dollars and the show is at 8PM. There will be a great after show party at Asbury Lanes with karaoke performances by many of the up and coming talents who will be performing the classic Andrew Lloyd Weber Rock Opera. A side note, a couple weeks ago, The School of Rock performed Pink Floyd's The Wall at Asbury Lanes. IN a word, the show was amazing. They have been working on JC Superstar for a long time and this promises to be a fabulous night of music and entertainment. In the coming weeks the Baronet will be presenting Shakespeare's 12th Night, The Richmond County Orchestra, Jello Biafra, a Retrospective Black History Month Showcase of a Legendary Tribute To African American Voices in Poetry and Song featuring the Narrative Expressions of Bill Brown and Melody, and Hedwig and the Angry Inch. Visit www.asburybaronet.com for a little more info. A web site design is coming soon! Thanks for the continued interest in and support of The Baronet. All is well with the theatre and The Baronet will be in business attempting to bring art and community together in Asbury Park. We believe fervently that Asbury Park is in the very best shape it could possibly be in and that the future is so bright we have to wear shades. So many projects are coming together and completing these past few months, there is a whole that still has to happen, but it no longer feels like we're all waiting for something to happen, open up your eyes and you can see it happening everyday from the boardwalk to highway 35, from Wesley lake to Deal lake. Last thing. The horrendous tragedy that recently occurred at The Deep rocked many people's lives. The reporting that we all read and discussed appears to be totally untrue and completely erroneous. The facts and an arrest are imminent. The Asbury Music scene will survive and continue to thrive! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] ch-ch-ch-ch-changes
I should weigh in and I will. Any speculation that there was a master plan beyond acquiring the development rights to the 200 and 100 blocks of 4th ave is wrong. From the start, the whole idea behind buying the Fast Lane and Baronet, along with 3 other properties still in private hands, was for the sole purpose of aligning ourselves to buy the development rights from Asbury Partners for 4th ave along the Ocean. That the Partners demanded 17+million dollars per parcel with the Partners retaining 100% of all retail space built was and is the reason that only 3 sub-developers are working the waterfront. It is no coincidence that the three projects that are moving along nicely and looking good are leftover from Messrs. Carabretta and Vacarro should not surprise anyone. Here is a quote from DanA huge let down that people were sold on a crusade to Save the Baronet. I thought it was courageous of Pat et al to embark on it in the first place. But people, including myself, got hyped for apparently nothing. What ever happened to the letter from Fishman promising to save it? Will these be more demolitions I have to clarify something. Pat had zero to do with the successful Save The Baronet crusade. That was a grassroots movement that was the result of one phone call by me(to Pam Lamburton), and one email to my list I have been compiling since working The Wonder Bar 2 summers ago. The phone call and email was my response to being let down by the people that Pat and I both expected to run with the Baronet as a grand consolation prize to the ridiculous and failed Savoy Theatre pipe dream. So, all you who believe Pat bought any properties in the Zone to jack up the price and zero in on profit are way off. If we, and that is a collective we, if we who run these establishments in Asbury Park, especially on the waterfront felt we could make the rent, let alone a living, running these clubs and businesses, we would do so with zeal. I am sure that most readers have spent their fair share of hard earned cash in the Wonderbar, it's those long X-Pensive nights when no one shows up that kills the bottom line. It is the same thing at the theatre. We ran 2 dollar movies and other than the first few weeks, no one showed up. Dinner and a Movie, promoted in-house by a couple top restaurants, was the ultimate failure, no one showed up. But that is less than half the story. It is obvious to many of us that the WB, the Baronet, et al will do more than enough business given the opportunity. And we are being offered and given the opportunity to do just that. The letter Dan is referring to spurred our deal with the partners and thankfully, the NEW waterfront developer has been active in negotiations. It is my fervent belief that The Baronet will continue to run for many years; that the Baronet will be given it's fair shot a new and fruitful future. In the next few months The Baronet will have no less than 3 stage presentations, an orchestra, concerts and at the very least, partnering in 3 film festivals. The schedule for the fast lane is also filling up with shows that will appeal to everyone from teenagers to rockers to country music high steppers those into the NYC groove. Here is another quote, I think from fred, you owe me a hand shake, Fred. Are you thsat naive, Pat pulled off the same thing as Over my dead body Santanna did. It was a scam from the beginning. They used the Save Baronet People. Just like Dominic. They used traderdude also. They fill their pockets and the save the Baronet People look like asses. I believe that if last night the council would have voted;NO would have been the eminent domain answer on the 4th ave properties. I believe that Bruno and Lofreddo would have led the no votes. There was no scam and Dominic Santana deserved what he got; he was smart. Eventually, and rightfully, the unsafe firetrap that is the Pony will come tumbling down and a new and extreme Stone Pony will be built, all the while Dominic will be enjoying his pony bucks. . Here is to the fervent hope that the current owners of the license realize they have no idea how to operate a night club and allow someone else to take the reins of the Pony and run with it. I feel much the same about the fast lane, I pushed hard to have a pro operator run the place, but it fell on my lap. same as the baronet. The baronet also needs real operators, a team like those that built the Carlton Theater into the Count Basie would be nice, but for the time being, we have a solid handle on The Baronet and it will be a happening spot in the very near future. Hedwig is going to be big, get your tickets early I am not sure about the fats lane, it is so expensive to open it up and things like what happened at the deep make running a club a risky business. From the waves on the beach to the west side of Asbury Park, from Deal To Wesley Lake, I don't think that Asbury has looked as good as it does
[AsburyPark] BE A PART of ROCK HISTORY in ASBURY PARK!
BE A PART of ROCK HISTORY in ASBURY PARK! In Good Company will hold open auditions for the LONG AWAITED New Jersey Premiere of the glam-rock musical performance... HEDWIG AND THE ANGRY INCH at the Baronet Theatre in ASBURY PARK! JOHN CAMERON MITCHELL, text STEPHEN TRASK, music and lyrics ANTHONY D'AMATO, director OPEN AUDITIONS! WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 24th @ 7PM and SATURDAY, JANUARY 27th @ 12PM The show will run every Saturday night in April, opening on April 7th at the legendary Baronet Theatre on 4th Ave. in Asbury Park, in conjunction with events at The Fast Lane and Asbury Lanes. Possible open-ended run. Negotiable stipend/honorarium provided. SEEKING: 1 male, 1 female - for the following roles: HEDWIG: Fearless, attractive, strong MALE actor/singer, tenor/baritone. Internationally ignored song-stylist and East German rock-n-roll goddess, who also happens to be the victim of a botched sex-change operation; tells her story through brutally honest songs and monologues. A rocker's dream role! Must be able to front a band and command an audience, as well as perform the entire show in drag. Looking for REAL, RAW talent of any shape and color. YITZHAK: Fearless, attractive, strong FEMALE actor/singer, strong rock belt with ability to sing soprano. Hedwig's boyfriend and backup singer with dreams of his own. Must be able to sing tight harmonies and speak as a man, as well as perform the entire show in drag. Prepare a rock tune showing your vocal range. An accompanyist will be provided! To audition, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more information and to send picture/resume! Those interested in contributing to the production should feel free to contact, as well! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Theme Tyme
Tom, You wisely type a response to why this inane argument begins anew... I don't think it is unreasonable to ponder the size of the problem we face. In fact, it would be downright negligent to fail to consider the size. And this is cold, uncompromisable truth. Anyone who wants to dispute your statement are doing so because they want to pick a fight. What your failing to grasp here is the collective acknowledgment that we agree. What you grasp in your TCN JR essay you wrote that called for some guy named RICO :-) to head the daunting task of curbing urban black violence you fail to concede to this group.Back in the beginning of this rather long winded and windmilling debate you went so far to prove a point that you chided Councilman Keady for wanting to get some B-Ball games going. Somehow this was always a polarized argument. Either it is this way, or it's wrong. Tom, I have bad news for you. Across our country there are lost generations of black male and female youth. It is unknown what can save these kids. They have no direction, no hope, no opportunities. or so they believe, and the gangs have seized this misconception and have built their ranks from these poor misguided kids. Thankfully there is no Hitler amongst the gang leaders who could truly unify these wayward youth, or we'd have Al Queda to deal with on the streets of our own country. So sure Tom, before you climb the hill, assess it. If you can afford the Texas Instrument that measures the heighth of a mountain, do it, if not Tom, take a good long look at the mountain, come up with a plan, and climb it. Had anyone at all joined Jim Keady and there was a basketball league meeting twice a week and 10-15-25 kids were playing, not only would that provide a simple solution to no direction, no hope, no opportunities.but it also may give that little 12 year old boy who has no idea that a basketball in his hands is like as keyboard beneath you fingers. That kid could be the next Bobby Verga. To take a step further is only 2 or 3 of the west side community leaders I have spoken with in the past year had taken me up on the offer of using the Baronet Theatre as a springboard for children's performing arts, how many more kids ,might then get a chance to turn their backs on the Bloods and C rips? Everyone should look out for and listen to The Bob Dylan Theme Time XMAS XM radio show. It is available for download on ITunes and other places. At one point Dylan says that if your feeling blue and don't know just what to do you should get on with helping someone less fortunate than you are. Bob says that no matter how low you are, there is sadly always someone lower..Ask yourself what have you done? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] from palm beach to AP
Hey, James Brown died early this morning. One of the truly great musical legends of our times, James Brown's message of pride and power would be welcome to all of us who toil within the one square mile that is Asbury. Say it loud I had to suddenly fly to south FL this past Friday and I found an interesting controversy that for some reason reminded me of our struggles here in AP. Donald Trump, that litigious scavenger, had bought the largest property in Palm Beach called Mar-a-Lago. I imagine that Mar-a-Lago is worth more dollar for dollar than all of AP, but that isn't he story. It seems that Trump, citing his patriotic fervor, erected a flagpole and flew an American flag atop it without getting the approvals of the Palm Beach officials, namely the zoning board. Town officials said the real estate mogul has violated zoning codes by putting up a flagpole taller than 42 feet, for not obtaining a building permit, and for failing to get permission from the landmarks board. This reminded me of the insurgency of removing a crumbling retaining wall on 4th ave and replacing it with a landscape wall that meets and exceeds the city wall ordinances. Only the pseudo city engineer and zoning officer didn't like the wall and 100 thousand dollars and 6 months of stop work orders later, the wall still stands and nice families are moving into the building that at one time was one of the worst places in Asbury Park. Of course Trump is suing Palm Beach, same as he is suing Rosie O' Donnell, and who knows how many others. What made me compare Palm Beach to AP is the old school mentality of those long time Palm Beachers who are fighting the new additions to their community tooth and nail. Do I hear echoes of city officials calling newbies carpet baggers in Palm Beach, as I hear in AP from time to time. To think that Palm Beach denied an application for a Starbucks, citing that they didn't want those kinds of suburbanites in their town. I wonder if they would allow Ross to open an America's Cup there? I am sure they would once they tasted what is truly the best cup of coffee they ever drank! Paul Simon added a verse to The Boxer that said that after change upon change things are more or less the same. Isn't that true of not only things, but people as well? America is one transient society, most of us do live where we grew up, many relocate thousands of miles away and hardly ever visit their home towns. Here in Oceanport, where I have lived since 1979, the entire make up of the town has changed since Clint Sommers, the mayor for 30 years when I moved here, finally left his fiefdom. Towns still here. I imagine that in Palm Beach, a haven for the rich and richer, they are mighty proud of their long time legacy, but here in AP, I often wonder why the long time townsfolk protect their legacy with such vigor. Other than Asbury's glorious PAST, especially these past 30 years, there just doesn't seem to be a whole lot to be proud of. The pride we ALL should have is that we have moved the town past the bottomless pit of decay and the rebuilding and the revitalization is indeed underway. Stay the course and one day we can also have trivial, inconsequential lawsuits over flags and poles and who is zooming who. Merry Christmas to everyone, today is Christmas and there s nothing wrong with wishing EVERYONE a merry dayIMHO. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] untilllie the end
Hinge my boy, I just knew you were going to rant over Danny boys anti-Soap rant. I read the article and I am not ashamed to say that for all intents and purposes, I agree with Dan. A plaque on the boardwalk is almost as big a pile of krap as the save tillie thing. Cutting that face out of that building was as stupid as anything the city of asbury park and asbury partners have done. Ranks up there with destroying the copper peanut kettles they found in the old planters concession. What Danny boy didn't say in his poignant rant was that the SOAP thing, although a brilliant bit of promotion by 2 long forgotten bar band warriors, was a rip off and a half. Without the promises that Bruce was going to play, and the adverts and rumors were plain that he was going to play, I seriously doubt that marks would pay 1500 bucks to get into the crumbling smelly old stone pony. Bruce was so in to the SOAP affair that he didn't show, but the very next night, he and his bride enjoyed a marvelous hour and forty five minute set by the queen of rockabilly, Wanda Jackson. The SOAP thing is a such a pipe dream, these bands were cover bands and they covered any song that the crowds would dance to, we danced ion those days. The blunt reality is that without Bruce and his music fueling Asbury Park all these years, the tillie lovers and the SOAP stars and many many memories simply would not exist. It all starts and stops on Bruce's doorstop, especially the careers of his band mates and Southside. Now maybe, just maybe, one Johnny Bongiovanni may have also elevated Asbury Park to it's international status as a musical mecca, but then the Pony would be long ago tore down and The Fast Lane would be where all the German Nationals come to take pictures. I have to agree with Fred. The Stone Pony died the day Butch sold it, it is a fire trap, uncomfortable, and yes, it needs to come down, but, it will be replaced by a new and modern Stone Pony and that is a good thing. Same deal with Tillie. As stupid as I personally believe the save tille organization was, their persistence, fueled by Bruce, paid off handsomely for Asbury Park 2 summers ago when Tille was saved. However, tillie wasn't saved by cutting the face out of the palace, tillie was saved by the events that followed that cutting. Because AP Partners and the city made a deal with GMC to shoot a Chevy Corvette commercial with the palace and the face of Mr. Tilyou in the background. Lo and behold, when the director of the photo shoot hit kingsley and cookman, he was mildly disappointed to fine tillie was out of there. As he slowly drove his car down Ocean ave, tracing the route of what was once the circuit, he spied the south end of the wonder bar and an idea hit him. He pulled over and the manager of the wonder bar, Kevin Feehan, after a busy night, was cleaning up outside the wb that morning when the director inquired if he could paint Tillie on the wb and shoot his commercial. It took 10 minutes of negotiating, but sure enough, by that afternoon 3 artists out of Keyport were busy atop scaffolding recreating Mr. Tilyou's silly mug on the wonder bar. A couple days later we got a call from the save tillie folks wanting to have a save tillie benefit at the wonder bar. We agreed with one caveat. It wasn't a save tillie event, it was a _*celebrate*_ tillie event. We did a mock new orleans funeral down the boardwalk, complete with horns, and we had DaysAwake playing ion the wonder bar when the procession hit ocean and 5th ave. The rest of the day and night were memorable for many reasons, but the bottom line was and is that Tillie, a new tillie, re-appeared in Asbury Park for the 1st time in many many years. And for some of us who have been here for these many many years of decay and waste, having a new tillie lit up on ocean ave was the 1st positive step in a long time for asbury park. So, yeah, I agree, saving tillie was nonsensical, but then, who knew saving Tillie would end up possibly saving the wonder bar and other ancient treasures in the city of asbury park Last thing while I am ranting. I am very impressed with the way the waterfront is coming together. Though inconvenienced for a few weeks, they got ocean ave done by the wonder bar very quickly, and the street in front of the Berkeley is almost done. The work is non stop at the Esperanza and both paramount and Westminster are moving along and looking good. Around the rest of asbury, so many new projects are closing in on finishing over the next 3-6 months, it is simply amazing. How steel buildings are going up, how many new businesses will soon be joining in the fray. Pretty soon, the only thing that will stand between asbury and true success is a couple of parking decks. Without those decks, asbury stands no chance as a retail location for anyone but locals. Meanwhile, on the 200 block of 4th ave, this past weekend, all three establishments, The Asbury
[AsburyPark] untillie the end
No one caught that subtle Doors swagger in the subject huh? I was going to use the future is uncertain and the end is always near, but I am saving that for the the front of the fast lane. Ya know, and I am sure that Tom is the main culprit, the yin yang thing is just so obnoxious. There are many times where making ones point, proving it, and hammering home the proof is justified. But, big ole butt, every time someone, usually, and without trying, Mario, disagrees, or counters what Tom has written, it then becomes a back and forth reverberation that scrolling can't even avoid. I mean, the latest x-change over whether or not you guys celebrate xmas, hanukah, kwanza or blue bishop day is so utterly devoid of interest. In fact, this whole stoopid to the max PC BS about what holiday some celebrates is just a bad sign of the times we live in. Not earth shattering bad, but bad nonetheless. So Gary, Hinge, this soap thing, your into that sound huh? I dug the soap sound much more when it was recorded at Stax in Memphis. SOAP exists because Brice added horns, had nothing to do with Stormin' Norman or Doc Holliday, who I don't recall from back in the day. The real music to celebrate that Asbury Park helped foster goes back to Mr. Pryor and the 260 dates a year he did on the beach without amplification. Remember that, build a monument to that...whoops, AP did build a monument to Mr. Pryor, while a bunch of kids were busy playing covers in a myriad of clubs on the circuit in AP, the Pryor Pavilion was allowed to waste into decaying concrete, empty seats in the outdoor theatre and no business for poor George at his wonderful Howard Johnson's. Do I have a problem with the SOAP show, of course not. I love that music and my favorite Bass player since Jamerson played at it, but my attitude toward this event in no way shape or form is a reflection on my feelings for music, for live music, for The Stone Pony, or for Asbury somehow becoming a mecca for musicians as it once was. In the shadow of the decayed and stripped Howard Johnson is a plaque celebrating a bunch of guys who played a cover circuit back in the day. Again, if not for Bruce and his songs and his uncanny ability to captivate every pair of ears within hearing distance of him and his guitar, those guys would be long ago forgotten. Now, what rankles my ire is the lost and forgotten golden history of sports in Asbury Park. Hey Gary, do you have any idea about the athletic accomplishments of Asbury Park High School? I am sure you don't. I would much rather see a plaque and a day for those great athletes, many of whom are reaching the end of their days. They deserve the applause and the day in the sun just as much, if not more, than a bunch of kids trying to make a buck and get laid playing rock and roll along the jersey shore. Hell, I wish we could somehow hold a circuit celebration day, far and away the coolest thing about asbury was riding that circuit, drinkin' beer, and just like those guys busy playing in bar bands, trying to pick up girls on Kingsley...Happy Holidays my arse:) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] talking world war 3 blues
We could be looking at WWIII soon. WWIII started on 911 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] how deep is the ocean
how deep is the BS? Posted by: rolemover [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] rolemover http://profiles.yahoo.com/rolemover Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:00 am (PST) he doesnt live in town either, but if he did i would vote for him, because tommy's roots and heart are here in asbury, and he can look past the bs and see a bright future for asbury...the thorns are trying to slow down what is a long process of re-building, and dont like the fact that it is not their blueprint for redevelopment. I am amazed that anyone who can read, write, and think would type the above post. So amazed that I have been wondering if maybe Tom has a young child that has been doing all the posting here. If not a young child, maybe some wicked Democrat, a creative type, perhaps Dan J the uber-publisher, is posting under Tom's handle. It seems improbable and impossible that a man who passed the bar and practices law and makes good living at it could think the things he says here. It's got to be a little kid, no adult would hackey back and forth like that. .. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] beyond frustration
Tom, how can you write this stuff? What has gotten in the way of your using your brain, your common sense, and your mind when you post here? Do you look at this board as a little personal toy to see what you can get away with? I am referring to.. (from Dan). From what you write about the recreation effort can I assume you differ with your alter ego DeSeno on this? He mocked Keady for suggesting recreation as a way to keep kids out of trouble. and from Tom. Nice try. I mocked Keady, and plan to do so again, for saying that the shooting wasn't criminal, and for making excuses for the shooter. A lack of basketball is not why that teenager got shot. Shooting someone in the face is over the top. All the recreation in the world won't help that sicko. What is your point? Just admitting you mocked Keady is ridiculous, making excuses for the shooter, trying to dig into the details of such a crime, trying to fully understand exactly what happened, why it happened, and how to keep it from happening again are all Keady's points. It seems that your point, to ridicule Keady, is either completely pointless partisan political thinking, or, as I alluded to above, you take this board and the people who contribute to it as pawns in your game, or something much less. In fact, you mock us with the senseless back and forth arguments over who is right and wrong and who gets the last shot in. Starting with the debate over whether racism exists in the 1 square mile that makes up Asbury Park, through the sad and ugly and terrifying action of kids shooting kids outside the schools during school hours, you not made one positive, rational point that anyone could point to and think there is some reasonable thought and purpose there. Your only saving grace is that the ding bats on the UEZ and the BOE that also attacked Keady with nothing behind their attacks are rowing with the same hoe in the same graveyard. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Friday night is a rare opportunity, check it out.
NOW PLAYING: HALLOWEEN ON THE OCEAN! Friday, October 27th at 8:00 p.m. THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA *Silent Horror* 1925 This silent classic is still impressive, even after seventy-nine years! Lon Chaney's performance is easily the highlight of the movie. His ghostly movements about his underground lair are haunting even by today's standards. LIVE Organ accompaniment by Jeff Barker! Saturday, October 28th at 7:30 p.m. WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO BABY JANE *Horror* 1962 In a decaying Hollywood mansion, Jane Hudson, a former child star, and her sister Blanche, a movie queen forced into retirement after a crippling accident, live in virtual isolation. Starring Bette Davis and Joan Crawford. ...but ya are in that chair, Blanche! *BABY JANE SPECIAL* FREE Admission to anyone dressed like Baby Jane. Prize for the Freakiest Baby Jane outfit! Saturday, October 28th at 10:30 p.m. THE ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW *Musical/Horror* 1975 A newly engaged couple have a breakdown in an isolated area and must pay a call to the bizarre residence of Dr. Frank-N-Furter. Starring Tim Curry, Susan Sarandon and Barry Bostwick. Come and join the Baronet...the perfect venue... in reviving an old tradition. Leave your coffins and dust off your old Rocky Horror duds and live life like it was the 70's and 80's ...before the Internet and MySpace destroyed American pop culture! This is a shout-out to all Rocky Horror-heads to come and perform! The Asbury Baronet Theatre 205 4th Ave Asbury Park, NJ 07712 732-807-3317 asburybaronet.com COMING SOON: THE GRAND RE-OPENING OF THE FASTLANE NIGHT CLUB! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] brain surgery
werner wrote... This is not 'Brain Surgury'. It's just looking what your assets are are making the most use of them. The problem is a lack of vision and common sense along with the myopic views of what redevelopment is. The problem is further complicated by sheer utter overwhelming greed. Larry Fishman wants to control 100% of the retail within the waterfront. He wants total, monopolistic control of the retail, to the point that, in order to negotiate a redeveloper agreement on a parcel of land within the WRZ, the agreement starts with the building of street level retail that is turned over to the master developer. This, along with ridiculous sums paid per residential unit, is what scared away every major developer that crossed Larry's desk in the first couple years of their one sided agreement. As Bruce once sang, it's sad but it sure is true Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Progress or Another Mistake
Werner, Just for clarification, where did you get the information regarding the demise, er, a renovation of the convention hall/Bradley Park area? Funny enough, when I ran into you at The Paramount, I was going to ask you about the storm drains that are newly installed in what was the center of Ocean Ave, a good two feet below current grade. According to the men doing the work on Ocean Ave, they are not replacing the sewage lines!!! How can that be? The city, and Werner, has been protecting the ROW as if it were the holy grail of Asbury(in some ways, see Ocean Grove, it is). So, we're digging up all of the waterfront, replacing electric and I imagine comm lines, bulldozing the ROW,but not replacing/upgrading sewage. That is an engineering faux pas and a half. While I am at it, these street lights on Kingsley are so involved. Who is the entity that decided Asbury needs more lights at 3rd and Kingsley than say, Hwy 35 and Sunset Ave. Might it be the same engineer? At many of the council meetings, someone always asks about having 3D models of the buildings that are going up, there never seems to be an answer to that request. How is it possible that the alignment of curb and street around con hall/bradley park is being totally reconstructed, and there is no model of that. How were our different boards, zoning/planning, able to approve such significant changes without seeing a rendering model. Beyond that, wouldn't such a significant change warrant public opinion? Or did that happen during the previous administration and I am late to the table? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] The Baronet Theatre
NOW SHOWING: AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH (PG) *Documentary* 2006 A documentary on Al Gore's campaign to make the issue of global warming a recognized problem worldwide. Showtimes: Friday, September 15th at 7:15 p.m., 9:30 p.m. Saturday, September 16th at 7:15 p.m., 9:30 p.m. Sunday, September 17th at 2:00 p.m. COMING SOON: Fall is here...and the Classics are back! THE BIG NIGHT (R) *Comedy/Drama* 1996 A failing Italian restaurant run by two brothers gambles on one special night to try and save the business. Starring Stanley Tucci, Campbell Scott. Showtimes: Friday, September 22nd at 7:00 p.m., 9:30 p.m. Saturday, September 23rd at 8:00 p.m. DINNER AND A MOVIE! Have dinner at the participating restaurants on Friday, September 22nd, and see The Big Night. There will be a fixed price menu and movie showtimes are at 7:00 and 9:30 p.m. to allow you enough time to get to the theatre. Restaurants: CARMINE'S 162 Main Street Asbury Park (732) 744- MARKET IN THE MIDDLE Cookman Ave, Asbury Park HALLOWEEN ON THE OCEAN! Friday, October 27th at 8:00 p.m. THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA *Silent Horror* 1925 This silent classic is still impressive, even after seventy-nine years! Lon Chaney's performance is easily the highlight of the movie. His ghostly movements about his underground lair are haunting even by today's standards. LIVE Organ accompaniment by Jeff Barker! Saturday, October 28th at 7:30 p.m. WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO BABY JANE *Horror* 1962 In a decaying Hollywood mansion, Jane Hudson, a former child star, and her sister Blanche, a movie queen forced into retirement after a crippling accident, live in virtual isolation. Starring Bette Davis and Joan Crawford. ...but ya are in that chair, Blanche! *BABY JANE SPECIAL* FREE Admission to anyone dressed like Baby Jane. Prize for the Freakiest Baby Jane outfit! Saturday, October 28th at 10:30 p.m. THE ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW *Muiscal/Horror* 1975 A newly engaged couple have a breakdown in an isolated area and must pay a call to the bizarre residence of Dr. Frank-N-Furter. Starring Tim Curry, Susan Sarandon and Barry Bostwick. Come and join the Baronet...the perfect venue... in reviving an old tradition. Leave your coffins and dust off your old Rocky Horror duds and live life like it was the 70's and 80's ...before the Internet and MySpace destroyed American pop culture! This is a shout-out to all Rocky Horror-heads to come and perform! Email us at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] the baronet
The mold monster appears again. Here is the story with the musty smell at the theatre. We has Crane's out of Manasquan steam clean every seat and they did an extensive mold investigation and came up with no mold. Bill Gray from AP Code Office and a county health inspector also checked the theatre for mold and any other violations and we got a clean bill of health. Please realize that the theatre is actually approxamately 12 feet below sea level. In fact, we had to replace the funky sump pump that is used to keep ground water from seeping during rain storms. The musty smell is the same that anyone would have in any basement that is 1 block from the ocean and almost 100 years old. For what it's worth, many who have attended the theatre that have allergies to mold have reported no problems. We do not believe there is a mold problem, we acknowledge the musty smell and we hope that as more and more groups use the theatre, the smell of hard work and determination will over come the natural mustiness. So, get a show going, c'mon in and sweat it out and pretty soon the Baronet will smell like a locker room. Thankfully, the AC and heat work great. This weeks feature is not to be missed. ANYTOWN, U.S.A. (Unrated)*Documentary*Three Candidates, Two blind Politicians, One Race. Anytown USA follows a tightly run race in the small town of Bogota, New Jersey and resonates as an all-too-familiar look at partisan politics in our increasingly polarized nation. Showtimes: Friday, September 1st at 8:00 p.m.Saturday, September 2nd at 8:00 p.m.All seats $2.00 at all times. (Except for musical or special events ) __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Deseno makes me sick
Deseno, Danny's balance-meter, is as big a phony as his pseudo publisher. Neither one of them has set a foot inside The Baronet since it was a porn theater. I am pretty sure the two of them used to hang there in rain coats on hot summer days while REAL APers went to The Fast Lane for some kick ass RR. Jacobsen, the flip master, wrote a compelling piece in one issue that was pro-Fasano and Pro Baronet, and the very next week he flipped and ripped Fasano and spread his save the facade tear down the building BS. Deseno, who fled this Yahoo group, possibly afraid for the one contract that feeds his Howell based family, is a true die hard right wing zealot. When Deseno isn't espousing his party lines, he looks elsewhere to raise his voice in opposition to the current tide. Thus we get a ridiculous and mean spirited, and slightly read, article on the Baronet. No one famous ever played there, nothing big ever happened there, it's the 6th worst theatre in AP. Sorry Tommy boy, it is the ONLY working theatre in Asbury Park. Get your effing facts straight you moron. More importantly, you and Dan, get out of the cocoons you hide in and visit the place. Stop writing about what you don't know and haven't seen. There is a reason hundreds of people from all walks of life have taken their time and efforts and spoken up about that 6000 square feet building that is a working theatre. There is a reason a successful theatre owner chose to put the best efforts of his company, Galaxy Theaters, into The Baronet. There is a reason that theater groups, movie producers, concert promoters, and local, long time AP residents into the arts are scheduling events to take place this fall season at The Baronet. And there is a reason that selfish, blind, moronic imbeciles like Tommy Deseno are opposed to a theater building being reborn in a city of ruins. And that reason is ignorance. Ignorant of just what the Baronet can do for the psyche of a city still in ruins, a city struggling with all it's might to climb out of 30 years of blight and neglect. All the Desenos of the world have to do is get off their collective arses and visit the place. Pay the lousy two bucks and see a movie being projected by 75 years old carbon arc projectors. Take a step back in time and let a little nostalgia wash over their battered souls. Yeah, the Save Tillie thing was a little over the top, but the sad reality is that Tillie's rebirth above the Wonder Bar courtesy of the hard work of Kevin Feehan, was the 1st victory in a long long time for the people who live and die each day in Asbury Park. Those same people walk to the movies in their home town these days. They don't have to wait for some special event film festival that may or may not take place at the Paramount, they get to do it today. Tommy Deseno owes all the fine folk who have gone way out of their way to Save The Baronet. He doesn't owe them an apology, he owes them a simple visit to the theater. And bring Jacobsen with you, he hasn't seen it either. But both of you have used it to try to get some attention to the rag you publish that is lining cat litter boxes all up and down 4th Ave. And the next person that insults anyone for the time they have or haven't lived in Asbury Park better watch out, Instant Karma is gonna get you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Asbury Baronet Theatre
This weeks feature film is __Strangers With Candy__ rated R. The IMDB link is http://imdb.com/title/tt0369994/ Showtimes are 8:00 PM on Friday and Saturday night. Please visit our website at www.asburybaronet.com The phone number at the theatre is 732-807-3317. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] The Baronet
Built in 1913, the Ocean Theatre quickly became a popular Vaudeville venue. It was purchased by the Walter Reade Circuit and renamed The Baronet. Now it's back! The newly renovated Art Deco Baronet Theatre is open for business and will be a source for film and live entertainment as long as there is a support for the arts in the community of Asbury Park. The Baronet will present the best Feature, Classic, Independent, Alternative and Foreign Films as well as Musical and Theatrical Events. Now Showing: TRANSAMERICA (R) A pre-operative male-to-female transsexual takes an unexpected journey when she learns that she fathered a son, now a teenage runaway hustling on the streets of New York. Starring Felicity Huffman, Kevin Zegers, Fionnula Flanagan Showtimes: Friday, August 11th: 8:00 pm. Saturday, August 12th: 8:00 pm. All Seats $2.00 (Except Musical Special Events) Coming Friday, August 18th at 8:00 p.m. Vaudeville returns to the Baronet! From the theatre who once brought Asbury live stage appearances of the original 3 Stooges, we present - - - AN EVENING WITH UNCLE FLOYD Starring Uncle Floyd Vivino Floyd will be making his first area-appearance in years. Uncle Floyd Show cast member Michael T. Wright will join in the soire'. Come relive the golden days of Baronet Vaudeville and see the show. There will be special guest appearances by Asbury's own Blues Brothers Resurrection. Tickets are $10 in advance, $15 at showtime. Tickets are limited, so act now! Coming Saturday, August 19th at 6:00 pm. Fourth Avenue in Asbury goes back to the fifties. In conjunction with the Asbury Lanes' Rumblers Hot Rod Show, the Baronet presents - - - DOO WOP AND HOT RODS Starring THE DUBS Live at the Baronet the original doo wop group THE DUBS perform their greatest hits such as Could This Be Magic, Chapel of Dreams and Don't Ask Me To Be Lonely. The performance is followed by an evening of continuous viewings of the best (or worst) Juvy Delinquent and Hot Rod movies (videos. Sorry film afficianados!) of the 50's and 60's. Come and make out in the Baronet to music and movies all for one price. Tickets are $10 in advance, $15 at showtime. Tickets are limited, so act now! Tickets for the August 18th 19th shows can be purchased at the Baronet box office during weekend showtimes or any time at the Wonder Bar on 5th Ocean Ave. in Asbury. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] ya' know EPT
Someone asked how asburysteve can possibly keep up with responding to each individual post on this message board as he has been doing since we dared discuss the market street mission and not agree with his falwellian discipline. Obvious he sits at home all day and all night with little else to do. This is not the 1st time steve bombarded this list with his nonsensical mantra. Skip is the same way. Somehow, Skip took off from here for a long while, no posts, until steve pricked his interest. Now we basically have the skip and steve holier than thou message board. On another great message board, the IDDiots Delight Digest, we had jack who calls himself getorpho who is obsessed with the great conspiracy theories. He is quite certain America perpetrated 9/11 and other such stuff and for a while there, he was posting his theories 5-10 times a day. It took the collective group, and the moderator many months, but we have getorpho holding at 1 post a day. We were very sad to have to censor ourselves out loud, but jack gave us no choice. So again I ask all the new folks who have just started posting (discussing)and those of us who have been keeping this board going, to try not to let the getorphos, steves and skips of the internet chase you away or dissuade you from joining in the discussions of asbury park. I would also like to echo werner's requests to edit your posts. When you simply reply to a message and your reading in digest mode, the entire collection of posts gets reposted, making it hard to digest the digest. Not actually having a moderator here means we have total freedom to say and do anything we want to. One person a while back posted as mog and said some outrageously vile things, also some very funny things. I think mog is still among us, perhaps lurking under the stairs. Speaking of lurkers, a tradition on the above mentioned IDD (idiots delight digest) is what we call EPT, or everybody post Thursday. This was really an excuse to get all the lurkers, cc?, to check in with the group, let those of us crazy enough to sometimes post know your here. So, if Werner will second the motion, maybe the 3rd of august, Thursday, could be the asbury yahoo groups EPT and we can have some fun around here while we drown in frustration and humidity. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] asbury steve
What a shame. After so many months of 3-4 of the same people posting over and over again, the asbury yahoo board gets a terrific influx of new posters and and great reading, great messages, and becomes all that a internet message board can be. Then comes a long that curmudgeonly a~~hole who is only in it for himself and his agenda. Think about it, other than asburysteve, this board is unanimously opposed to the devilish market street mission dumping more unfortunates on our already unfortunately cluttered streets. Yet, every single post, and I mean every single one is responded to by asburysteve. Paragraph upon paragraph, statistic upon statistic, dumping acres of diatribe on all of us to further his cause. Then, of course, he plays the anonymity card, brags how he signs his name and expects us all to sign ours, and once we do, he will disparage us so that someone on the board who is perhaps applying for a job gets their name to come up in a google search that jeopardizes their getting the job, because asburysteve ripped them a new a~~hole, because that is also part of his agenda. Steve you haven't been on this board since you moved out of 4th ave, do us all a favor, because we want to engage in intelligent, fair minded conversations and we don't want your agenda, your religious zealotry, and racist, anti-semitic views polluting what could be a great place to discuss all the myriad of issues that face those of us who work and live in AP everyday. If you aren't polite and savvy enough to just hit the internet road, at the very least, take a deep breath, deeper steve, deeper, and sit back and read. Spend a week or two reading what others have to say, maybe even embrace other peoples ideals beside your own, maybe even open that closed hate filled mind of yours. Who knows, you may just find that even you can exist with us rich Jewish developers who invest our money to chase poor people. To everyone else on this board, please do not let this guy chase you away, he has done this in the past. It is so cool to have a place to discuss asbury park, it is even better to have a place to vent the frustration of dealing with asbury park, sort of what I just got done doing. Oh, and Steven there is an unwritten internet rule that I have been aware of since I was online with my C-64, and that is that you do not type someone's name on an open forum such as this without their permission. Your a big name dropper, but I am sure Pat and Marshall would not be happy with you citing them in your decrepit hate filled nonsensical posts. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] The Asbury Baronet Theatre
Built in 1913, the Ocean Theatre quickly became a popular Vaudeville venue. It was purchased by the Walter Reade Circuit and renamed The Baronet. Now it's back! The newly renovated Art Deco Baronet Theatre is open for business and will be a source for film and live entertainment* as long as there is a support for the arts in the community of Asbury Park. The Baronet will present the best Feature, Classic, Independent, Alternative and Foreign Films as well as Musical and Theatrical Events. Now Showing: OVER THE HEDGE (PG) IMDB : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327084/ Showtimes: Friday, July 28th - 7:15 pm. Saturday, July 29th - 2:00 pm., 7:15 pm. Sunday, July 30th - 2:00 pm KINKY BOOTS (PG-13) IMDB:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434124/ Showtimes: Friday, July 28th - 9:15 pm. Saturday, July 29th - 9:15 pm. Sunday, July 30th - 4:00 pm. All Seats $2.00 (Except Musical Special Events) * Pre-Announcement Announcement Save time during the weekend of August 18th to finally get to experience what has been going before. The Asbury Park 4th Avenue Arts District will kick off with a weekend extravaganza of music, movies, cars, and fun. Friday, August 18, 2006 The Baronet will present a triumphant, long over due return to the Famous Asbury Park Baronet Proscenium Arch Stage Vaudeville Theatre with The Uncle Floyd Vaudeville Spectacular. Tickets will be available with a pre-sale price of only 10 Dollars. Saturday, August 19, 2006 at 1:00 PM the 4th Annual RUMBLERS NJ Jalopy JUMP JIVE Hot Rod Show street fair extravaganza. The Baronet will present a Doo-Wop Concert at 6PM and The Lanes will have 6 bands. There will be street vendors and classic gear jamming movies showing for free all day and night at the Baronet. More information will follow shortly. Movies, Bowling, fresh popcorn and beer, Asbury's 4th Avenue has it all. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] I simply can't believe this guy writes this stuff
asburysteve writes...Until these Clowns who think destroying the lives of 10,000 Local Minorities to get themselves Rich REALIZE that they're CAUSING the Crime, Reality won't set in! I mean am I missing something here?. Is this ding-a-ling not saying that the developers are committing the crimes. I don't get it. The rich guys, after work I suppose, instead of going home to their families and nice homes are hanging on Asbury Ave and selling crack, and harassing nice people who are trying to enjoy the ever present Asbury Ocean Breeze. How ignorant is this? Earlier steve says... That being that Stand Up for Asbury is trying to Block a Homeless Shelter we badly need here in Asbury Park, and I am FOR it! further he says... I am concerned about the Low Income People losing their homes here, who also make up 80% of our City's Population! These 2 statements say it all folks. 80% of Asbury's population, and all we have in Asbury are streets riddled with crime and degradation. All the jobs and programs and shelters in the world will NOT clean up this problem. Asbury, if steve is correct and he probably isn't. needs to take that 80% of the population and change the demographic so that 80% of the population are nice people who care about their community and will stand up and for a safer Asbury Park. And the idea that the shelter so many of us so vehemently oppose is good for Asbury is also proven false by steve's quotes. All the homeless that now prey on the nice people who live in Asbury are enough of a problem, we can handle not one more homeless person coming to Asbury seeking refuge. We have enough. We have to take care of OUR homeless problem, not be dealt the rest of NJ's homeless problem. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WktRrD/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Liquor License For Sale
This is Leaonard trying to recoup his losses after becoming yet another American victim of the legal Rico scheme called Eminent Domain. I sure hope he gets his money, he earned it, deserves it, and, quite possibly needs it. Allan Peterson wrote: interesting. didn't the HoJo license sell to fishman for only 250,000 */wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Interesting use of the internet, Asbury Park for sale ! Check out ebay item number 280008381021 Werner How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman8/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman8/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Behind The Eight Ball
The Asbury Yahoo group has finally, after 24 or so months, woken and become what it set out to be, a place where anyone can come and express their opinions about AP and kick the can to see what's happening inside it. That is a very good thing. This homeless, save the poor people discussion has been interesting to say the least. I wonder why the homeless/poor folk advocates don't believe that Section 8 IS EFFING LOW INCOME HOUSING? The state pays 80+% of these peoples rent, they pay the security deposit, they get food stamps, and there is no control, so many living under this subsidized housing get to work under the table and many therefore make a damned decent living? I wonder why these same advocates are not alarmed at the rate at which these poor homeless and subsidized accost those of us who live and work in Asbury without so much as a smile or a scintilla of grace as they bum cigarettes, money and/or some other service, often barging in on whatever we might be doing. I wonder if these advocates ever take their precious time and hang out on 4th and Kingsley for a day to see just what goes on with these poor people who plight's they so firmly place upon our shoulders? I will tell you that between the Bowling Alley and the newly opened Baronet, we get accosted a minimum of 12 times a day with varying degrees of fright shoved down our throats. Last Saturday morning, as I pulled up to the theater with my top down, just as I turned off my engine and opened my door I got a shout out from a skin head with swastika tattoos who placed himself between me and my open car door. I was sure I was going to get cut or worse. He wanted money, demanded it, but I shakingly said no. If I gave him the two bucks he wanted, I would have become the equivalent of a repeat customer. I am sorry, but these people living in dire straits are not my fault, they are only my problem, and the bowling alleys problem, and the few other businesses that they prey on. No one will return to the Baronet if every time they get out of their car to see a movie they get accosted by a filthy, savage looking wreck of a human being. And just to hammer the point home, allowing another homeless retreat to open in the city that dumps these people on the street every morning is going to compound this problem that is already way out of control. So, along the waterfront we not only have to battle the diabolical intentions of the inept asbury partners, we now have to battle the inept and futile efforts of the asburysteves of this great nation, who see through rose colored glasses and have tunnel vision when it comes to understanding what is really going on on the streets of Asbury Park. It is the responsibility of all levels of our gov't, starting with our city manager and council, to alleviate this problem. When you add in the gang violence that exploded on weds night, it is easy to see that the problem has escalated far beyond control of Reidy, our council and our fine police force. To stop the spread of homelessness, to stop the street violence, to make OUR city safe for everyone who wishes to walk it's streets is going to take a combined herculean effort of every decent and caring citizen in and around Asbury Park. To unite all these people will take a true leader. We can only pray that someone on the council or who has a position in city hall has the balls and the chutzpah to lead us above the mire we are so firmly stuck in. I can tell you that the asburysteves of the world, though well intentioned, have eyes only on their agenda and do not care about everyone who live and work in asbury park. Save the homeless, how about saving the home bound who are afraid to walk out their doors for fear of getting mugged, shot, raped, or worse! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: What Do We Do After All of Our Low Income Work Force is Thrown Out of Asbury
your such an ass, rents aren't to high, customers are afraid to come to asbury because of the criminal element controlling the streets, many of whom are the homeless Steve wrote: Chris, It's probably a Total waste of time to try and convince a Conservative Republican of anything, because part of conservatism is that someone who is will NOT change their mind no matter HOW much evidence you give them! The only thing that I can tell you is that I've been in Asbury Park since 1996, and since the Redevelopment was signed in 2002, Crime has escalated and gotten much worse, NOT better! The City scape-goated our former Police Director, and fired him to cover their butts. True, he may NOT have been the best guy for the job. But the increases in Crime CAME from putting people up against the wall with no way to pay their bills, particularly their Rents! Any Human Being, or Animal, for that matter, who is put up against a wall with NO way out will react badly! And there are a large percentage of People who WORK, many over 40 hours a week, who are in the same boat with not being able to pay their Rent due to the fact that Rents increased about 60% in the past 3-4 Years! And Chris, how do you explain all of the Businesses who can't make it because Their Rents are too high? Those People work WELL over 40 ours per week and still can't make it in many cases. One I know has their Business up for Sale while he CAN sell it, because the guy sees the writing on the Wall and realizes that as a Mom Pop neighborhood type of business, he will NOT be able to keep up with the price increases much longer! Since you evidently are assuming that ALL People of Color are criminals, it's useless to try and convince any racist that there are MANY People of Color who work MANY hours per week at legitimate Jobs, yet you dismiss them as just Not Counting! In fact, approximately 80% of the minorities, excluding Seniors and the Disabled ARE working in Asbury! But they can't CUT it even when working, hence most are now in Overcrowded Housing. That then makes them easy pray and targets for Code Enforcement, just one more way to enact sleazy Racism to get them OUT of town! Don't get me wrong, in MANY cases there's a legitimate reason for code enforcement to crack down! The Biggest is in the case of Slum Lords! If you want to get a Copy of a Report that is done Every Year on the Status of the economic situation in NJ, Chris, just call the Anti-Poverty Network at 732-572-9100! Rutgers also does a more general type of report on the same thing. Bottom line in NJ is that it requires $42,000 per year now to support a two bedroom apartment with 2 Adults and one Child. And right now, 50% of NJ's population are unable to just pay their BASIC Monthly Bills (Rent/Mortgage, Food, Utilities, Car, Medical) ... Almost all of whom are below that $42,000 threshold! As mentioned before, the Median Income here in Asbury Park is only $24,000, which puts a LOT of People in BIG Trouble when Rents skyrocket! So Chris, what do you suggest? Should we talk some town into putting up a Tent City nearby where we can store all of the people with less than a $42,000 Household Income? You're TOTALLY missing the fact that the Minimum Wage is WAY too low, in addition to the need for Rent Control here! JUST with the normal increases of inflation from 1970 till now, the minimum wage should be at $14/ hr. right now. Since Real Estate doubles every 8-10 years on Average, which is the biggest indicator of inflation (Other than something like Oil prices), the minimum wage would have had to double three times since 1970 (When it was $1.75) to hit $14 now (In 36 Years). A $25,000 House in 1970 is worth $750K to $1 M now, so figure it out for yourself! You may put on your thinking Cap and ask *Well, where does all of that Extra Money that's NOT being paid to the Poor Middle Classed GO*? ... It's very simple . to the Rich! 5% of our Population now own over 90% of ALL Property, Businesses and Money itself (Stock in many cases). While, at the same time, over 15 Million People have slid from Middle Classed to Poor, and another 40 Million have slid to the very Bottom of barely being Middle Classed! 45 Million have NO Medical Insurance and 25 Million more are underinsured! 2% have enough savings and investments to guarantee a safe retirement. 40% of seniors right now are living in Poverty, and that percentage is growing as time goes on! And most of them worked for most of their lives, or were housewives (Which is the hardest work on Earth). Well, Chris, I don't know how much money you personally have saved up, but I guess until you're old and broke you will have NO Idea of what's REALLY going on, not just in Asbury Park, but in our Country! ALL of the Security has been taken away, whether you work 60 hours a week, or
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I hope Asbury doesn't lose all of the character that made it special
Werner, it's all about the wall in the ROW, the engineer, your buddy took your advice, he did to Vacarro's warehouse too. Another great project for Asbury stopped because of some zealots bad interpretation of the railroad right of waythey quoted you Werner. those 2 guys wouldn't know a ROW if it ran them over wernerapnj wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for facts, you know the facts all to well Werner, they stop and start on the 300 block of 4th ave. At your bequest, the job has been stopped 4 times, finally, common sense prevailed and we are able to finish the very fine work Dennis, spreading lies and misinformation will help neither your cause nor Asbury Park. You have made similar allegations about my powers in the past. I'm somwhat flattered that you think I have the ability to stop projects but you are a lier as far as this topic is concerned. I suspect you are just repeating bad info that you heard from others instead of doing your own research. Asbury Park is a small town and it's easy to discredit someone or divert attention from the truth by spreading misinformation. Do yourself, your employer and Asbury Park a service - stick to the facts, the City Zoning and Enginering departments issued citations and stop work orders on that project. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I hope Asbury doesn't lose all of the character that made it special
You are 100% correct Werner, not surprisingly either. wernerapnj wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well at least I got a dialog started here. All I have been reading in the past is how terrible the new construction is and how long it is taking(True). My point is simple. Asbury (with some exceptions) has looked liked a war zone for a long time. Bringing new construction and people can only be an improvment and it should create more job opportunites for the local residents. I didn't mean to create any verbal abuse. I just think everyone should appreciate that it will never be as good as our memories are. It sounds from your post that you have very low standards for Asbury Park. I have heard the mantra repeatedly - 'at least they're doing something', 'something is better then nothing', 'we will never be as good as we were', etc, etc Yes construction is good, but it's how that construction is directed that makes a good or bad project. 3000+ condos will provide little if any local employment and will destroy the history and cultural heritage of the City. Construction directed toward rebuilding the traditional commercial and tourism land uses would serve the City in a much better way. By using, instead of abandoning, the City's heritage Asbury park could be BETTER then it EVER was. Better econimically, and that is the ultimate purpose of redevelopment, to repair a community's damaged economy. Instead this City is catering to developers for the benefit of developers. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I hope Asbury doesn't lose all of the character that made it special
yes, on the 300 block of 4th ave, buy now, best deal in real estate you will find... Allan Peterson wrote: Are you talking about the apartments converted to condos? */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Is that a threat How silly, it was more a comical remark intended to lighten the heavy load we all carry. As for facts, you know the facts all to well Werner, they stop and start on the 300 block of 4th ave. At your bequest, the job has been stopped 4 times, finally, common sense prevailed and we are able to finish the very fine work we have done in rehabilitating what was once a decayed and crime producing building that people were afraid to drive by. And yes Werner, it was also a snide and underhanded remark toward your decaying property, a once beautiful house that looks like shit now. How much for your house Werner, I want to buy it and rehabilitate it. -- Original message -- From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:wernerapnj%40yahoo.com --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the current decay that is going unchecked except in a few small pockets where the private owners of property have the wherewithal, the guts and guile, the money, and the determination to continue on despite the moronic backward, or is that sideways?, efforts of those few curmudgeons who constantly stop every little construction project seeking to rehabilitate the aforementioned decay so prevalent in so many structures in asbury park. How about some facts instead of rhetoric. Glass houses Werner, glass houses and round stones that fly true. Is that a threat? Werner From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I hope Asbury doesn't lose all of the character that made it special Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:19:37 + --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the current decay that is going unchecked except in a few small pockets where the private owners of property have the wherewithal, the guts and guile, the money, and the determination to continue on despite the moronic backward, or is that sideways?, efforts of those few curmudgeons who constantly stop every little construction project seeking to rehabilitate the aforementioned decay so prevalent in so many structures in asbury park. How about some facts instead of rhetoric. Glass houses Werner, glass houses and round stones that fly true. Is that a threat? Werner Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/%20 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I hope Asbury doesn't lose all of the character that made it special
no, Bergh Ave starts redevelopment zone. -- Original message -- From: Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I could not believe the prices were so low. Do these buildings sit in the redevelopment zone? traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, on the 300 block of 4th ave, buy now, best deal in real estate you will find... Allan Peterson wrote: Are you talking about the apartments converted to condos? */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Is that a threat How silly, it was more a comical remark intended to lighten the heavy load we all carry. As for facts, you know the facts all to well Werner, they stop and start on the 300 block of 4th ave. At your bequest, the job has been stopped 4 times, finally, common sense prevailed and we are able to finish the very fine work we have done in rehabilitating what was once a decayed and crime producing building that people were afraid to drive by. And yes Werner, it was also a snide and underhanded remark toward your decaying property, a once beautiful house that looks like shit now. How much for your house Werner, I want to buy it and rehabilitate it. -- Original message -- From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:wernerapnj%40yahoo.com --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the current decay that is going unchecked except in a few small pockets where the private owners of property have the wherewithal, the guts and guile, the money, and the determination to continue on despite the moronic backward, or is that sideways?, efforts of those few curmudgeons who constantly stop every little construction project seeking to rehabilitate the aforementioned decay so prevalent in so many structures in asbury park. How about some facts instead of rhetoric. Glass houses Werner, glass houses and round stones that fly true. Is that a threat? Werner From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I hope Asbury doesn't lose all of the character that made it special Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:19:37 + --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the current decay that is going unchecked except in a few small pockets where the private owners of property have the wherewithal, the guts and guile, the money, and the determination to continue on despite the moronic backward, or is that sideways?, efforts of those few curmudgeons who constantly stop every little construction project seeking to rehabilitate the aforementioned decay so prevalent in so many structures in asbury park. How about some facts instead of rhetoric. Glass houses Werner, glass houses and round stones that fly true. Is that a threat? Werner -- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/u nlimited/%20 - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---BeginMessage--- I could not believe the prices were so low. Do these buildings sit in the redevelopment zone?traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, on the 300 block of 4th ave, buy now, best deal in real estate you will find...Allan Peterson wrote: Are you talking about the apartments converted to condos? */traderdube@comcast.net/* wrote: Is that a threat How silly, it was more a comical remark intended to lighten the heavy load we all carry. As for facts, you know the facts all to well Werner, they stop and start on the 300 block of 4th ave. At your bequest, the job has been stopped 4 times, finally, common sense prevailed and we are able to finish the very fine work we have done in rehabilitating what was once a decayed and crime producing building that people were afraid to drive by. And yes Werner, it was also a snide and underhanded remark toward your decaying property, a once beautiful house that looks like shit now. How much for your house Werner, I want to buy it and rehabilitate
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I hope Asbury doesn't lose all of the character that made it special
ah Werner, everyone is always ignorant or a moronhow asbury crude of you. What you missed was the mistaken idea that anyone would not want to see asbury be what is was, a safeplace, a multi-cultural place, and asbury's beauty transcends even the current decay that is going unchecked except in a few small pockets where the private owners of property have the wherewithal, the guts and guile, the money, and the determination to continue on despite the moronic backward, or is that sideways?, efforts of those few curmudgeons who constantly stop every little construction project seeking to rehabilitate the aforementioned decay so prevalent in so many structures in asbury park. Glass houses Werner, glass houses and round stones that fly true. wernerapnj wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate to cause trouble but most of you are living in the past. Asbury lost it's character 50 years ago and it is never going to be the same. Why don't you want it to turn into a beautiful , safe place to live in a multicultural atmosphere. Unfortunately your assertion diplays ignorance regarding accepted practices in redevelopment and community revitalization. Please explain, from your point of view, how the current development direction of Asbury Park meets State and Federal standards, and how it will benefit the entire City. How will this vision of yours a beautiful , safe place to live in a multicultural atmosphere be fulfilled? Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I hope Asbury doesn't lose all of the character that made it special
Is that a threat How silly, it was more a comical remark intended to lighten the heavy load we all carry. As for facts, you know the facts all to well Werner, they stop and start on the 300 block of 4th ave. At your bequest, the job has been stopped 4 times, finally, common sense prevailed and we are able to finish the very fine work we have done in rehabilitating what was once a decayed and crime producing building that people were afraid to drive by. And yes Werner, it was also a snide and underhanded remark toward your decaying property, a once beautiful house that looks like shit now. How much for your house Werner, I want to buy it and rehabilitate it. -- Original message -- From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the current decay that is going unchecked except in a few small pockets where the private owners of property have the wherewithal, the guts and guile, the money, and the determination to continue on despite the moronic backward, or is that sideways?, efforts of those few curmudgeons who constantly stop every little construction project seeking to rehabilitate the aforementioned decay so prevalent in so many structures in asbury park. How about some facts instead of rhetoric. Glass houses Werner, glass houses and round stones that fly true. Is that a threat? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---BeginMessage--- --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, traderdube traderdube@... wrote: the current decay that is going unchecked except in a few small pockets where the private owners of property have the wherewithal, the guts and guile, the money, and the determination to continue on despite the moronic backward, or is that sideways?, efforts of those few curmudgeons who constantly stop every little construction project seeking to rehabilitate the aforementioned decay so prevalent in so many structures in asbury park. How about some facts instead of rhetoric. Glass houses Werner, glass houses and round stones that fly true. Is that a threat? Werner ---End Message---
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I hope Asbury doesn't lose all of the character that made it special
a message to a board such as this is intended for all eyes to see and anyone who wants should and can respond, it's a discussion board. Just because someone has an opinion doesn't make them ignorant. I know less than zero about architecture, rarely do I voice an opinion other than I like it or I don't like it, but that doesn't mean I am ignorant. When I disagree with someone's opinion, I do not call them ignorant, or any other derogatory names. I am above no one, just like you Werner. -- Original message -- From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah Werner, everyone is always ignorant or a moronhow asbury crude of you. ah Dennis, why are you answering my message ? It was not addressed to you. I was asking s325run1 to support the position he/she stated: I hate to cause trouble but most of you are living in the past. Asbury lost it's character 50 years ago and it is never going to be the same. Why don't you want it to turn into a beautiful , safe place to live in a multicultural atmosphere. Regarding being offended at the word ignorant, that displays an ignorance of it's meaning. I readly admit to ignorance in the following subjects: sports, fine art, cooking, and many other topics that you will never hear me speak of. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---BeginMessage--- --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, traderdube traderdube@... wrote: ah Werner, everyone is always ignorant or a moronhow asbury crude of you. ah Dennis, why are you answering my message ? It was not addressed to you. I was asking s325run1 to support the position he/she stated: I hate to cause trouble but most of you are living in the past. Asbury lost it's character 50 years ago and it is never going to be the same. Why don't you want it to turn into a beautiful , safe place to live in a multicultural atmosphere. Regarding being offended at the word ignorant, that displays an ignorance of it's meaning. I readly admit to ignorance in the following subjects: sports, fine art, cooking, and many other topics that you will never hear me speak of. Werner ---End Message---
Re: [AsburyPark] Do we need to attract more
Mr. Grant was one of several high-level sex offenders who spent their nights sleeping at a county-run homeless shelter and their days roaming White Plains And the citizenry has to take on the all important fight against the shelter in ap, so sad on so many levels that it's impossible to summarize. condemn the damn building, rezone it, fight every building permit but stop them from moving this homeless shelter into asbury park. it does not benefit the city, it hurts the city. Instead, commit to helping every homeless person living in asbury, every single one, and let the rest of NJ take care of their homeless problem. I am sure a united effort by the citizens a governing body of asbury park could end the homeless problem in ap in 100 days. dfsavgny wrote: http://tinyurl.com/mpzcc http://tinyurl.com/mpzcc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Bikes and pedestrians on the boardwalk do not mix. It is a miracle that no one has been injured. It is a disgrace that the people in charge of Asbury's boardwalk and pavilions have done so little to enhance the boardwalk and it's pavilions to make Asbury even more attractive for tourists and everyday beach goers than it already is. Instead, we have bikes on the boardwalk at all hours and count them, 3 bars in full operation on the boardwalk. I believe, and Werner can confirm or deny, that when James Bradley handed the city his boardwalk he provided for zero alcohol on it, and the avenues remaining open space. The idea of Asbury being a place to come for peace and quiet, health and meditation has kind of been usurped wernerapnj wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that between your reply and the one prior to it there are different points of view on just what was allowed and what has changed... So apparently others here are both misinformed and making incorrect assumptions, too. Points of view, Assumptions, etc, lead to bad conclusions. The facts are what they are - Biking is prohibited except from 6am to 9am. Biking and pedestrian activities are incompatible, which is the reason for limiting bikes to certain hours. The Council is moving to extend those hours, not reduce them, as a compromise. Bottom line is that I really think this is too bad. Unfortunate for the town. This move eliminates something that was both highly desireable and differentiating for AP and just simply a lot of fun. As a marketing professional I am truly amazed. We want people to come back and check out AP then take away something that was getting them here. As a marketing professional you really beleive that the economic gains (if any) realized due to a handfull of bikers is more significant than the safety of hundreds of pedestrians who are visiting and spending money ? What a pity. I am also kind of amazed that, with all of the things both important and sometimes silly that are debated on this board, nothing was ever mentioned about this (forgive me if I missed something). I for one will be complaining to Terry Reidy and our Council. Complaining about what? They ae increasing the allowed hours. Werner As a side note - several tens of thousand dollars were recently spent to create bike lanes around town. They are not used except for the occational hard-core/spandexed/helmeted biker. I've seen about 6 in the past six months. More wasted public funds and visual clutter from strips and signs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: fighting a mission is a futile action
I did, and I totally oppose it and I hope that we can somehow stop it, for any and all reasons, but mainly, to keep AP from becoming more of a destination point than it already is. wernerapnj wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, With all the same due respect...if the Lighthouse Mission didn't discriminate against against gay men, would there still be a Stand Up For Asbury Park coalition fighting their move into Asbury? Thanks, Dennis I think you ment to write 'Market Street Mission'. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] fighting a mission is a futile action
Frank, With all the same due respect...if the Lighthouse Mission didn't discriminate against against gay men, would there still be a Stand Up For Asbury Park coalition fighting their move into Asbury? Thanks, Dennis steveguyrx wrote: Hi Reverend Brown, I would like you to provide me with the name of the Assistant US Attorney from the Division of Civil Rights who you claim is going to defend the mission. I think you lie, since the Civil Right's Division would never get involved in defending a religious organization in a civil litigation involving a group of concerned citizens or the city of Asbury, that would be a violation of the separation of Church and State. With respect to your argument that this lawsuit is solely about upset homosexuals in Asbury Park, I suggest you read the pleadings in the Stand up for Asbury appeal. The basis of the lawsuit is fundamental fairness, and the fact that Asbury Park and its' citizens shoulder more that their fair share of social programs which address the needs of our less fortunate brothers and sisters. Since you live in Long Branch, you need not concern yourself with our fiscal well-being or that of Asbury Park. In fact, when we prevail in this lawsuit, the citizens of Asbury Park will save millions that it would have to pay to house the thousands of homeless who will come to this mission, be rejected, or thrown out of the shelter, with no where else to go, except the Asubry Park department of Social Services, Which will spend millions of our tax dollars to meet their needs. I find the tenor of your comments to me to be quite homophobic, and anything but Christian, coming from a supposed man of God. With respect to your offer to arbitrate and play the part of Jesse Jackson. Let me say this, I have met Jesse Jackson, and once worked with him, as an attorney, on a civil rights lawsuit, and I can tell you, your no Jesse Jackson. An arbitrator, by it very definition, is an un-biased, neutral, third-party, you obviously are none of these things. Thanks, but no thanks for your offer. In closing, I suggest you read the Good Book, ask God for some guidance, and try to live the virtues which Jesus Christ preached, instead of hiding behind you collar and perpetuating hatred. God Help You, Frank Farrell Stand Up For Asbury - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, July 07, 2006 10:19 PM *Subject:* [AsburyPark] fighting a mission is a futile action I applaud Councilman Keady for standing up for the least among us, in our communities. I stand with him and rely upon the following scriptures of Christian faith: Matt: 25:35 and following. I would also point out something you need to consider. Before you take on such a legal battle, you need to realize what it has cost the taxpayers of the City of Long Branch to fight The Lighthouse Mission here. The ongoing litigation is in it's 7 th year. You being a citizen driven private dollar venture - it will cost you more. Having the City Council ask the City Attorney to file an amicus will now cost your tax payers as well. The expert damages report for the Lighthouse Mission is in excess of $3,000,000.00 and growing and this does not include the legal costs associated with the litigation. The Department of Justice's Civil Right's Division will most likely defend the mission and you will cost additional tax payers dollars, because tax payers fund the DOJ. Obviously the gay community of Asbury is grinding a single issue - all because the shelter will not house homeless gay men. However, practical operations of any institutionalised organization prudently provides services in shelters seperately. A men's shelter does not serve women. Nor does a women's shelter provide for men. If the gay community really wanted to do the right thing and save themselves a lot of money, they would open a gay men's shelter. I am saying this with all due respect. If you wanted to arbitrate some resolve I would be willing to play Jesse Jackson for you guys in this issue. God Bless Us All. Reverend Kevin Brown Lighthouse Mission Long Branch, NJ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ *
[AsburyPark] Frank Budd
YOU KNOW WHAT THE SADDEST THING OF ALL IS ABOUT ASBURY PARK. The great athletes who defined asbury and the entire jersey shore are all but forgotten. Where are the great names of asbury park sports? Why don't we argue over them. Like, who was the best high school bball player...ever.??? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] saturday
somebody tell him it's all about the money. raise the funds, hire the lawyer...win. Keep rallying and pretty soon you'll benefiting mr. kite... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Keep the pressure on!* */I'm not considering raising taxes. It's not on my agenda. We have a very high-rate tax structure. I'm not considering it. /*--Governor Corzine, 2005 We the taxpayers have to force the Governor to live up to his promises. In the meantime, two polls have been released in the last week which clearly show that a huge majority of citizens oppose the Corzine tax hikes. Our elected leaders need to listen. With your help, this Saturday at 2 p.m. in Seaside Heights, they will hear us loud and clear. A /National Review Online/ story, *Corzine Sows Disaster in the Garden State,* reads: The truth is that governors from across the political spectrum have opted for budget restraint over tax increases. Taming state expenditures is possible. It just requires a politician with enough backbone to stand up to the special interests that demand higher spending. NASBO data also show that *Corzine's package is the largest among the 11 governors proposing revenue increases this year, even as twenty state executives are seeking (mostly modest) tax reductions while the remainder have no major changes on their agendas.* Don't you wish New Jersey was one of those 20 states reducing taxes? At least we could be in the group with no increases! Please continue to keep the pressure on by calling and e-mailing your State Senators and Assembly Members. Call (866) 730-0150 and ask to be connected to your legislators. There are only two days to go until the Rally! Make your plans now to join us at 2 p.m. Saturday, June 24th, at Franklin Ave. and the Boardwalk, Seaside Heights. Make it a family day at the beach, while telling our lawmakers and Governor Corzine that we won't stand for any more taxes! *Directions to the Franklin Ave. Stage in Seaside Heights:* Garden State Parkway to exit 82. Exit onto Route 37 East. After you go over the bridge, follow the signs for Seaside Heights. You'll end up going around and then under Route 37 onto Route 35. As soon as you are on 35 there will be another sign for Seaside Heights directing you off to the right. Almost immediately you'll come to a triangular median - stay to the right and you'll be on Bay Boulevard. Take a left on Lincoln (it looks like it's 3 blocks) to Ocean Terrace. At Ocean Terrace take a left and go 1 block to Franklin Avenue. The link below is a map of Seaside Heights. Once you open it, on the left hand side you can increase the size of the map. Click on st. and that will be the best size. Map link http://e2ma.net/go/302388184/235062/6799743/goto:http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?newFL=Use+Address+Belowaddr=franklin+ave+and+boardwalkcsz=Seaside+Heights,NJ.intl=usname=lat=lon=srchtype=aqty=new=1trf=0getmap=Get+Map. Check out the Take Back New Jersey Taxpayer Rally page http://e2ma.net/go/302388184/235062/6799744/goto:http://www.americansforprosperity.org/index.php?id=1486 for more information, including bus schedules to the rally from a number of counties. See you on Saturday! Steve Lonegan New Jersey Director, Americans for Prosperity */Lighthouse Christian Center/* 162 Broadway, PO BOX 308 Long Branch, NJ 07740-0308 732.222.6224 - 732.822.7161 www.lighthousemission.com http://www.lighthousemission.com/ * * Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: On liverpool -
give that guy a black and blue wedgie jerseyjohn99 wrote: Bayonne, Elizabeth, and New York. The luggage tags for the train lines serving the Jersey Shore were marked BENY. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know why I am spelling it benys? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: On liverpool -
one guy, ill informed, says we all hate bennies. I hate some bennies, same as I hate some politicians. But, in general, I love bennies, the more the merrier. They support us. They come to shows and eat in our restaurants etc. It is the people who do not make their money, or who don't care if the hard working restauranteurs and club owners make any money that hate bennies. Maybe if he were selling instead of giving away his magazine that harsh bennie critic would change his tune. -- Original message -- From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: light... It comes down to greed and the value of land. A mini-golf on the boardwalk is worth maybe 10k per year in rent - that 16,000 sq ft of land can hold a good number of condos, stacked correctly. Same goes for kiddie rides etc. Coupled with the high costs of insurance, scares operator people off. Then we go back to the talk - you have Great Adventure, Point, Ac etc. Blame it on the iPod. Or Yahoo groups. Just what NJ needs, another boring shore town. This bennie thing really gets me. I've never seen such a provincial attitude. There are no small towns, only small minds. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---BeginMessage--- --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: light... It comes down to greed and the value of land. A mini-golf on the boardwalk is worth maybe 10k per year in rent - that 16,000 sq ft of land can hold a good number of condos, stacked correctly. Same goes for kiddie rides etc. Coupled with the high costs of insurance, scares operator people off. Then we go back to the talk - you have Great Adventure, Point, Ac etc. Blame it on the iPod. Or Yahoo groups. Just what NJ needs, another boring shore town. This bennie thing really gets me. I've never seen such a provincial attitude. There are no small towns, only small minds. ---End Message---
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: On liverpool -
It wasn't a benys who pissed on the baronet this morning, it was homeless vagrant. and it's not benys who piss on homeowners lawns after they leave the bar, it's locals, a~~holes who don't give a shit about anybody. The embracing of tourists, the embracing of those daredevils brave enough to invest their hard earned money in a rotting corpse of a city like asbury do not deserve scorn such as what jimmy bruno laid on a taxpayer after a council meeting 4 weeks ago. calling a taxpayer/homeowner a cocksucking carpetbagger is about as low as a deputy mayor can go, besides gloating over condemning the kingsley deli and screwing a long time asbury park citizen who has done more for the people of asbury park than bruno can ever even dream of doing. what asbury needs, among all the multitudes of necessities, is as many benys as possible to visit ap this summer. the last thing asbury needs in the near future are new hi-tech parking meters. Just ask Lovely Rita. Anyone know why I am spelling it benys? Lighty wrote: For the record Gary, I understand what you were saying and I know you are not critical. But is it is okay with everyone, could we stop using the word bennies? We are utlimately relative newcomers to where ever we are no matter how long you've been there. Some one who owns a home *The people I was referring to are not homeowners. I realize that people use that word to describe ALL of our summer guests and newcomers but I do not. I use to refer to the people who are a disgrace to the area. If you can think of a better word to describe people who trash yards, trash the beach, trash the town, etc. - let me know. * Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Even the Bronx Does It
In fact, Asbury Partners blew it big time. When they got their deal and every developer around came through AP, they chased them away with ridiculous demands. Now, the market has changed, things have changed, and the projects that are going are remnants from the past. deja vu all over again? I hope not. dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who, asks Lighty? Answer Daffy Duck From 1999: Mayor Saunders said: ''I'm willing to work with anyone. I'd work with Daffy Duck. The first ones that come in and show me the money I can work with.'' Be careful what you wish for. We got a real cartoon character - the Tasmanian Devil aka Larry Fishman. Aw shucks, this city is its own worst enemy. Would the state have been better? Some think so, some do not. What is definite however, is that Asbury Partners is no white knight. Far from it. EVERYTHING it promised has been reneged upon. The incumbents quite frankly failed. This dispute resolution is supposed to change that. We'll see. I hope it does but I have my doubts. People are still shaking their heads in disbelief 7 years later. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group AsburyPark http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows
what about the business? Or did Warner already answer that? The Deli should be the LAST property taken not the FIRST. Which begs the question as to why? Why act so quickly and HARSHLY on the deli? Will every Asbury Park taxpayer's property and business be dealt with just as harshly? That is the question Councilman Keady asked that his fellow elected officials refused to address. When Mr. Keady cited an obvious flaw in Asbury's eminent domain procedures, confirmed in later public discussion, he was shouted down. Harshly. Is harshly a word? Allan Peterson wrote: Sorry but if it worked that way we could all make tons of money. I would list my house here for 1 million beceause eventually that would be the worth? While I do not agree with taking of property, the value should be based on today's worth. Not 5 years from now etc. */traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Fred, you know rat holes don't you, rats and skunks. what she wants is only known to her, what she deserves is a whole different thing. and what she deserves, as the 1st taxpayer being subjected to eminent domain in AP is precisely what this is all about. She deserves her fair slice of the pie. If the property is eventually worth multi millions of dollars why should she get hundreds of thousands? But the money is none of our business, what is our business is whether the city council of asbury park upholds their oath of allegiance to their constituency and protects their taxpayers from the greedy, bottom feeders who want to pay pennies on the dollar for properties that will make them many many many millions of dollars. And it makes zero difference if the taxpayer has been there 20 years or twenty days, as Keady said, they all need to be treated fairly and most of all they all need to receive the same due process. But that is something that just isn't understandable to those who sleep with the rats and the skunks, their greed overwhelms them and they treat everyone the same; as marks in a sting. Fred wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it's her lawyers fault not the councils she should sue him. I doubt very much that she didn't know what was going on. Your telling me her lawyer had this since 2004 and he didn't say a word? Are you that gullable? I wonder why the city hasn't lost a lawsuit. Isn't Fernicola her Lawyer? Two weeks wouldn't have made a difference Rita won't settle. Didn't Maureen post that Rita's taking this to the end? She's wants $ 500,000 for that rat hole. After posting this morning I had a delicious piece of blueberry marble cake at The Kingsley Deli. Sure enough, Rita's lawyer did receive the offers via certified mail that Aaron said were sent. I do not think that changes for one thing about what I wrote earlier. If a taxpayer stands in front of the council and makes a statement, they should have not only listened they should have acted accordingly. Nothing about the redevelopment project would have changed if two weeks from now, the same vote they took weds was taken at the next meeting. In fact, what might change would be the plight of a taxpayer and the one person who stood up to the blight by showing up for work everyday. No one looked at C8 over the years more than Rita. Everyone else left. The council should have postponed the vote and similar to what they did and hopefully are doing for Christina's Aunt, looked into whether or not a fair offer was made Rita, and the chance to sit at the table and negotiate a fair deal for her property. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Asbury+park+homew1=Asbury+park+homew2=Asbury+park+njw3=Asbury+park+hotelw4=Asbury+park+foreclosurew5=Asbury+park+real+estatew6=Asbury+parkc=6s=140.sig=0vxkxu1RDrB64nxKV8lpRQ http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Asbury+park+homew1=Asbury+park+homew2=Asbury+park+njw3=Asbury+park+hotelw4=Asbury+park+foreclosurew5=Asbury+park+real+estatew6=Asbury+parkc=6s=140.sig=0vxkxu1RDrB64nxKV8lpRQ Asbury park nj http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Asbury+park+njw1=Asbury+park+homew2=Asbury+park+njw3=Asbury+park+hotelw4=Asbury+park+foreclosurew5=Asbury+park+real+estatew6=Asbury+parkc=6s=140.sig=ObXN4NSxwdBhLBP_8hz6eQ http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Asbury+park+njw1=Asbury+park+homew2=Asbury+park+njw3=Asbury+park+hotelw4=Asbury+park+foreclosurew5=Asbury+park+real+estatew6=Asbury+parkc=6s=140.sig=ObXN4NSxwdBhLBP_8hz6eQ Asbury park hotel
[AsburyPark] despicable behavior
Who are these a~~holes throwing the carpetbagger name around? They can't be FROM Asbury Park, can they? After all, Asbury Park, the beloved little city by the sea, a city so beloved that despite all hi jinx and mayhem thrives with a population that is far reaching in it's diversity and attention to the details that make for better lives for all who come to the park. It must be those hated suburbanites, people who dare live in mcmansions in over-stuffed towns that ignore planning and good sense and have built up every square foot so that neighbors can stare into one anothers yards and learn how to spend their hard earned cash. If not the suburbanites, it must be the homeless, those poor folks who somehow survive the winters chill and summers heat without a roof over their heads, without a gas or electric bill...er, without electric, it's tough to post to this fine yahoo group...unless they're hitting the internet cafe on cookman. Oops, no cafe to speak of. So, tell me please, who are these people throwing this carpetbagger term around so viciously. Are they the people who forgot that the day before Mr. Weldon was arrested Asbury was a city in ruins? How do life long residents, many of whom work or are elected officials in the city forget what Asbury was like as little as 6 years ago, before Paradise opened, before a whole new population of wonderful people came to Asbury, fell in love with her charms and put their hard earned money into the suffering city by the sea. Rhetoric words, like irony, comedy, and just being silly are very hard to hear when your reading them instead of hearing them. I am being rhetorical of course. I know exactly who the fools are who are throwing around the carpetbagger term. Fools who should be embracing ALL the people who have come to Asbury these past 6 years and bought disgusting rotted neglected homes. Who with their own hands had to clean out the vermin and decay that has infested Asbury the past 30 years. The people who have to fight inane zoning and building departments with rules and policies that change with the wind.That have had to pay senseless fines for fixing up those houses and cleaning up the streets. Pitiful behavior by a few people making Asbury seem like the city that embraced black beach and segregated boardwalks and always two water fountains. The city with the mason Dixie line running behind main street. You all know who you are, especially the weasel who hides behind multiple screen names right here on this yahoo board. Who scoffs at justice and the American way. The last council meeting was a travesty. 6 properties have been subjected to eminent domain so far. 4 at the request of the property owners. 1, seemingly uncontested, the Empress parking lot, and The Kingsley Deli. Mr. Keady vigorously fought for the taxpaying citizens of Asbury Park on Weds night. Mr. Keady didn't oppose the plan, didn't oppose eminent domain, didn't even oppose the taking of the 2 properties. All he wanted was a fair and equal shake for EVERY tax payer in Asbury Park. All he asked for was that each taxpayers be given an opportunity for a fair negotiation for their property so that the blighted city in ruins can get rebuilt. He didn't ask for more or less condos, he didn't ask for exemptions for his friends, he asked that a process be implemented so that the 5 men of the city governing body can answer a simple question honestly and that all 5 men can uphold their oath of office; that they were comfortable that every taxpayer who's property is in the blighted redevelopment zone get a fair and unbiased negotiated price for their property. When Rita finally went to the mic on weds night, after 20+ years of toiling in the rotted shadows of C-8, Rita plainly spoke the simple words that fell on deaf ears, SHE NEVER RECEIVED ANY OFFERS, ANY VALUATION, ANYTHING FROM ASBURY PARTNERS, NEVER. That this was proof positive to every person in the council chambers that a fair effort to negotiate never occurred was plain to witness, some how, 3 men on the dais, and a lawyer or two didn't care. They voted to take Rita's property and it is in the hands of someone else what 1 of the first 6 property takeovers via eminent domain will receive for her property. How men who have lived in Asbury Park all their lives, who have known this property owner for all these years can allow this happen is unbelievable. It stinks and it smells fishy if you get my drift. In this era of transparent government, when all around us greed and corruption and blatant white collar crime abounds, the back room of Asbury Park's business, a busy room for all of the 20th century, is busier than ever. What is most amazing is that there seems to be so little money in Asbury these days, and yet, the purse strings are attached to the past like tentacles from the ocean, refusing to let go despite the fine, caring, honest, hard working carpetbaggers who have
[AsburyPark] you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows
After posting this morning I had a delicious piece of blueberry marble cake at The Kingsley Deli. Sure enough, Rita's lawyer did receive the offers via certified mail that Aaron said were sent. I do not think that changes for one thing about what I wrote earlier. If a taxpayer stands in front of the council and makes a statement, they should have not only listened they should have acted accordingly. Nothing about the redevelopment project would have changed if two weeks from now, the same vote they took weds was taken at the next meeting. In fact, what might change would be the plight of a taxpayer and the one person who stood up to the blight by showing up for work everyday. No one looked at C8 over the years more than Rita. Everyone else left. The council should have postponed the vote and similar to what they did and hopefully are doing for Christina's Aunt, looked into whether or not a fair offer was made Rita, and the chance to sit at the table and negotiate a fair deal for her property. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It¿s easy and it¿s free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] from today's NYTimes
By JONATHAN MILLER http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?ppds=bylLv1=JONATHAN%20MILLERfdq=19960101td=sysdatesort=newestac=JONATHAN%20MILLERinline=nyt-per Published: April 30, 2006 ASBURY PARK, N.J., April 29 — The building, if you could call it that, was a rusty empty box near the Boardwalk that didn't even have a name. It was known simply as C-8, for its place on the tax maps. Since C-8 had become a symbol for the failed efforts to revive this old resort on the Jersey Shore, its demolition on Saturday was supposed to herald a determined rebirth. But after the booms of 91 pounds of explosives had sounded, and after the thick clouds of dust had cleared, part of C-8 remained stubbornly upright. That thing is still fighting, said Tom Patten, an ironworker from Oakhurst, who earlier in the week helped remove steel spandrels from the bottom of C-8 in an attempt to weaken it. They have a bigger mess now than when they started. Doug Loizeaux, vice president of Controlled Demolitions Inc. of Maryland, the company that oversaw the implosion, said there was too little weight to pull down the structure because it was not a finished building. There was one portion that was 45 feet in the air, he said, but he noted that after a few hours of work with a crane, Now it's flat on the ground. This is an historical event for Asbury Park, Mayor Kevin G. Sanders said in a statement released earlier in the week. As a lifelong resident, the C-8 structure was a failure of the past and I will be happy to see it taken down. But C-8 was itself supposed to usher in a bright future for Asbury Park. It was initially part of a $500 million project that was approved in 1986. The developer, Joseph Carabetta of Meriden, Conn., promised to build luxury condominiums and renovate the Paramount Theater, the Convention Hall and the Casino nearby. None of that happened. Union strife, a fading housing market, the bankruptcy of Mr. Carabetta's company, court fights and other problems ensured that the building was never completed, and its rusting skeleton has stood, a block from the water, for more than 15 years. After the debris is cleared over the next couple of weeks, Metro Homes, a Hoboken developer, plans to build a twin-towered 224-apartment building on the site. Although city officials had predicted that the demolition on Saturday morning would be watched by thousands of people, only a few hundred showed up. Some stood on cars. Many brought cameras, cellphones and video recorders. Members of a crew that had just finished making a feature film entitled Asbury Park said they had taken shots of C-8 and it figures prominently in the movie. A woman and six children spread a picnic blanket out on a weedy lot. At a minute after 7 a.m., a child glared at the structure and yelled: Do it! The implosion came a few minutes later, and the blasts startled the crowd that had gathered a block away. Most of the building sank like a stack of dominoes. It took 14 seconds. The crowd cheered. But when the smoke cleared, many were surprised to see that parts were still standing. About four floors of the northeast corner remained, and a five-story section listed precariously at a 45-degree angle. The demolition was part of a new effort to revive a city, once celebrated for its Boardwalk and gaudy amusements, that went into a long decline after race riots in the 1960's. For all the widely shared hopes for renewal, however, loud disagreements remain over how to proceed. Several property owners have been resisting attempts to condemn buildings earmarked for reconstruction, like the Baronet Theatre, a nearby deli and a bowling alley. The property owners have taken the city to court, accusing it of eminent domain abuse, but officials have scoffed at their claims. They bought after the redevelopment deal was signed, and they knew that these properties were going to get taken for the redevelopment, said Councilman John M. Loffredo, who pushed the signal box to begin the implosion. They're businessmen. They know what they're doing. What more can I say to that? Some business owners have also complained that the new development will lack entertainment and amusement, attractions that made Asbury Park what it was. Mr. Loffredo countered: Times have changed. I'm just saying all that honky-tonk is not what we're going to be putting back there. As he watched cranes picking over the wreckage, Kevin Feehan, 48, an owner of the nearby Wonder Bar, reflected on the significance of the day's events. The city still is far from completely back, he said, but there is reason for hope. This was like getting Al Capone out of Chicago, he said. It didn't stop the crime, but everyone felt good about it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo!
[AsburyPark] blinded by the light
I just love reading you all arguing over donated monies, as if you know what Bruce might be thinking, as if you know what the receivers of those dollars did with them. Maybe Ms. Mellina can set the record straight in her column. I understand that the Springsteen camp was upset over the distribution of those many donated dollars and that they are controlling where the monies flow this time around. Speaking of Springsteen, I saw last night's show and it was proof once again that there is no one better at performing that Springsteen, Here he is with a huge band doing songs we used to sings as kids and as he used to do, he had the entire audience mesmerized and singing along to all new choruses. Bruce is leadership, talent and hard work personified, if only he would run for mayor, or maybe AP can hire him as City Manager. Blue Bishop wrote... Come on - let it out. Tear into Councilman Keady. You know you want to! He addressed the quote to Maureen. It is obvious BB doesn't attend council meetings or even bother to discuss them with the fine people who do. Because if he did he would have been told about the dais battle between Lofreddo and and Keady that was inspired by Maureen's pointed and pristine questioning of Lofreddo and how in 3 short years he went from being the TCN cover boy for saving historic Asbury, namely the 4th ave corridor, to being tongue tied and secretive about his true feelings on issues that clearly inspired over 60 concerned and caring citizens to express their heart felt desires to save AP's historic treasures. Later in that same meeting, Mr. Cote challenged the council members present to address the issues being raised during the public portion of the meeting. Only Mr Keady had the courage and integrity to express his opinion while Mr. Lofreddo hid behind the gavel. In case we have all forgotten, it's 2006, across America, especially here in Oceanport, politicians are running on the simple platform of open honest government while in Asbury Park, the only thing open are ticket books and stop work orders, tender negotiations, that would be the trading of the cities assets are done behind closed doors and are still not revealed. Tom, you are so far off base on this one, that Satchel Page could pick you off from the grave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Save The Baronet Project
A concerned group of people are doing all they can to save the historic Baronet Theater in Asbury Park. It is important that as many people as possible show up at *_Asbury Park's City Hall this Wednesday evening at 6PM and speak out against the further destruction of Asbury's glorious historic past. _* ** *_BACKGROUND INFORMATION:_* Opened in 1913 as a vaudeville house, the Baronet was originally called the Ocean Theatre. In the 1960s, it enjoyed a reputation as the towns art film house, but by the 70's the Baronet was showing films of a somewhat shadier nature. By the end of the decade, it was pretty much out of business. It was bought and renovated in 1953 by the Walter Reade theater chain. . In 1986 Walter Burns and Maurice Giberson bought The Baronet and lovingly restored it to it's art deco glory. However, The City of Asbury Park would not issue them a Certificate of Occupancy and they finally sold it to Pat Fasano. Pat Fasano is known for having restored buildings in Ocean Grove and much of Cookman Avenue. Pat is a construction guy who specializes in restoration and rehabilitation of historic buildings and that is what he is doing at The Baronet. _*THE OPPOSITION:*_ Sadly, the spectra of Eminent Domain is hovering over the theater. Asbury Partners, upon learning of Pat's acquisition, immediately set the wheels of condemnation upon not only The Baronet, but the Fast Lane and the Wonder Bar. Larry Fishman is on record as stating that the 3 buildings on 4th Avenue be knocked down, paving the way for condominiums. This sadly includes the Bowling Alley._*WE NEED YOUR HELP...*_ We all need to show up at the meeting on *Wednesday, April 19, 6:00pm* and during the public portion of the meeting where every citizens gets 3 minutes at the microphone, we can urge the Mayor and Council to vote against condemning Asbury's treasures and let us open the Baronet as a community theater that will positively impact every person and every business in Asbury Park. In every community across the country, urban renewal success stories have been built around the revitalization of theaters as communities rally to save these historic treasures.The Baronet restoration is almost complete with new fire doors, roof and fresh paint all around. There will be a new screen, new projectors, a new ticket booth and new carpeting installed in the coming weeks and the Baronet will be ready to open in early May. The Save The Baronet Project is in full swing and we need the support of every concerned citizen to come to the Wednesday night meeting and voice their concern over the sterilization of waterfront. For more information or for a tour of the Baronet, please call Dennis Dubrow at 732-996-6843. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] words of wisdom
What a sad place this is where the vast majority have no clue as to the realities of this redevelopment and then praise any action taken however contrary to the public good and due process. Well written and oh so true Werner. The next post from ?Fred? goes in the exact opposite direction... Stop crying Werner, didn't you say you wanted more height? You anti re-development guys can have a party too. Anti-Redevelopment guys?, what kind of remark is that? Fasano said it best, the waterfront is the no-development zone. More important, if the citizens of asbury park don't watch out, the redevelopment guys are going to destroy every single thing that makes asbury special and there will be condos from deal lake to wesley lake with perhaps a house of worship or two built in-between. That way a select few will get to enjoy the boardwalk and asbury's tax payer financed refurbished beaches. Beaches that will house exclusive access for those chosen few who made the lists to buy into the private beach clubs and exclusive condos along the mile of ocean front that once was where it was at. I am enjoying all the strolls down memory lane that are being taken, to bad the strolls are in some kind of code that no one can understand. Worse is the ridiculous way that every prior post is included in some one line posts so that even a scrolling finger needs to take a time out. The Asbury schools need printers, what else do they need? Instead of kicking the living shit out of an insurance contract, how about informing us what the kids need? It would be the easiest way of getting the kids what they need. Because in spite of all the kick in the head the people who live and work in Asbury have received all these years, the people of Asbury Perk are resilient and caring and giving and all that it takes is someone or something be legit in need and and we will deliver. Two years for benches on the boardwalk and Bruno and Johnson think the bullshit they just laid on us has real teeth. What's worse about it is they are building cheap benches, one way benches. The old ones went both ways, appropriate that they should do the same now. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
