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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until the games stop with the black/white issue, you will not have a whole board working together for the same purpose THE CHILDREN. Truer words were never spoken! And perhaps we should all remember in this Season that the Good Teacher (His best title I think after King of Kings) referred to hypocrites as whitened sepulches who were uncircumcised in mind and heart. Frank D'Alessandro PS Of course, I say that at the risk of being reminded that one of the the hallmarks of the Antichrist is his insistence upon (a.) quoting from the Book and (b.) using punctuation. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Let's not play games here the union has BOE members in their pockets not that but it has become a black white issue with the school board. If you are a white teacher our faithful pro teacher pro union board member will fight for the teacher even if the teacher has not been teaching for years. Retired with full pay. Until the games stop with the black/white issue, you will not have a whole board working together for the same purpose THE CHILDREN. As for respect I have always given each one of you respect. Toni Ross Former Board Member YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Toni, The Association doesn't play games. The BOE has voted to withhold two increments in two months. One black and one white. The Association assigned attorney's to both. We don't pick and choose who we want to represent. We represent all. I have never had any of these black and white thoughts that you proclaim so many have. My family settled in this city 100 years ago, on the West Side. We had businesses here, made money here, lost money here through the riots, and lived here. We decided to come back to this city to work because of our roots here. As for the pro teacher pro union board member, please enlighten me so that I can finally win one battle with the BOE instead of having to go to arbitration and waste senseless Association money and BOE money. This is not about black/white, but about what is wrong and right. As long as you continue to tout black and white separation, people will continue to believe that this is the main issue and it will never be resolved. As for the children, this Association always puts the children first. I keep hearing from you how we don't do anything extra. You forget all the programs at night that many staff members go to in support of the children, without even an acknowledgement. But that's OK. The staff members don't do it for acknowledgement, they do it because they want to. Most of the staff members are not here because they have to be, they are here because they WANT to be. Obviously, unless, as a BOE member, you don't vote 100% of the time in favor of all recommendations of the Chief School Administrator, you are considered pro union. What about right and wrong and a fair trial? Shouldn't every voice be heard, as you said about the children? Or are the staff members different and not allowed to speak up and say what is right and wrong? I can't afford to play games when it comes to an Association member's livelihood, his/her career. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wre: Let's not play games here the union has BOE members in their pockets not that but it has become a black white issue with the school board. If you are a white teacher our faithful pro teacher pro union board member will fight for the teacher even if the teacher has not been teaching for years. Retired with full pay. Until the games stop with the black/white issue, you will not have a whole board working together for the same purpose THE CHILDREN. As for respect I have always given each one of you respect. Toni Ross Former Board Member Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Sorry I miss all the fun about the insurance issue I brought to the attention of the boe at the march special meeting. Yes Yes another fine job by our past and present UNION did not want the insurance changed After all there are board members who only vote pro union and pro teacher nothing wrong with that but I thought we were the voice of the children. Soon to be a former board member Guess Who SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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If there are so many Pro Union Boe members, why do they always seem to vote in favor of the Chief School Administrator, and not the Union? As for the Insurance fiasco that started two years ago, you know as well as I, that it wasn't the union that stopped this one. As I stated earlier, the BOE would have benefited the first year, but it would have been a debacle after that with the BOE begging to get back to the SHBP. And you also know that they would never let us back in once we left. Best of luck. We may not have always agreed 100% of the time, but I hope that you had a the same respect for me that I had for you in your position. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry I miss all the fun about the insurance issue I brought to the attention of the boe at the march special meeting. Yes Yes another fine job by our past and present UNION did not want the insurance changed After all there are board members who only vote pro union and pro teacher nothing wrong with that but I thought we were the voice of the children. Soon to be a former board member Guess Who Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry I miss all the fun about the insurance issue I brought to the attention of the boe at the march special meeting. Yes Yes another fine job by our past and present UNION did not want the insurance changed After all there are board members who only vote pro union and pro teacher nothing wrong with that but I thought we were the voice of the children. Soon to be a former board member Guess Who dora Mylchreest? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Dora wasn't a BOE Member. She was the Board Secretary years ago--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, eorslady@ wrote: Sorry I miss all the fun about the insurance issue I brought to the attention of the boe at the march special meeting. Yes Yes another fine job by our past and present UNION did not want the insurance changed After all there are board members who only vote pro union and pro teacher nothing wrong with that but I thought we were the voice of the children. Soon to be a former board member Guess Who dora Mylchreest? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Toni Sorry I miss all the fun about the insurance issue I brought to the attention of the boe at the march special meeting. Yes Yes another fine job by our past and present UNION did not want the insurance changed After all there are board members who only vote pro union and pro teacher nothing wrong with that but I thought we were the voice of the children. Soon to be a former board member Guess Who Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, Dan what about that? If there are so many Pro Union Boe members, why do they always seem to vote in favor of the Chief School Administrator, and not the Union? As for the Insurance fiasco that started two years ago, you know as well as I, that it wasn't the union that stopped this one. As I stated earlier, the BOE would have benefited the first year, but it would have been a debacle after that with the BOE begging to get back to the SHBP. And you also know that they would never let us back in once we left. Best of luck. We may not have always agreed 100% of the time, but I hope that you had a the same respect for me that I had for you in your position. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, eorslady@ wrote: Sorry I miss all the fun about the insurance issue I brought to the attention of the boe at the march special meeting. Yes Yes another fine job by our past and present UNION did not want the insurance changed After all there are board members who only vote pro union and pro teacher nothing wrong with that but I thought we were the voice of the children. Soon to be a former board member Guess Who Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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What do you think? It makes sense. Make sure that you get out and vote on Tuesday.--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: John, Dan what about that? If there are so many Pro Union Boe members, why do they always seem to vote in favor of the Chief School Administrator, and not the Union? As for the Insurance fiasco that started two years ago, you know as well as I, that it wasn't the union that stopped this one. As I stated earlier, the BOE would have benefited the first year, but it would have been a debacle after that with the BOE begging to get back to the SHBP. And you also know that they would never let us back in once we left. Best of luck. We may not have always agreed 100% of the time, but I hope that you had a the same respect for me that I had for you in your position. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, eorslady@ wrote: Sorry I miss all the fun about the insurance issue I brought to the attention of the boe at the march special meeting. Yes Yes another fine job by our past and present UNION did not want the insurance changed After all there are board members who only vote pro union and pro teacher nothing wrong with that but I thought we were the voice of the children. Soon to be a former board member Guess Who Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: Well, one thing is for sure, I didn't try to hide my identity. However, you did a good job. You must know who my brother is based on all of the names you provided last night. As for the insurance issue, let me set the record straight, as I came from that field before becoming a teacher. First and foremost, this insurance issue has popped up once before. Our prior BA, EK, proposed this change to get out of the SHBP, while Karl Crudup was President. This change to BCBS came with the fact that now a broker, Grinspec, would handle the benefits. You are definitely right. This would have saved the BOE approximately 12% the first year. Not bad, and I would have definitely been in favor. However, year 2, 3 and so on steadily would have gone up drastically to the point that the savings were now a major loss to the BOE. To try to get back to the SHBP and get rid of a broker was and still is impossible. The state will not allow. Once you are out, you're out. unless the law has changed, im not sure you are correct on this , it use to be if you withdrew from the shp you could not get back in for 3 years,the bd. was in the shp in the 80s withdrew and if they are back in it, well i guess i answered my question, but again maybe the laws have changed. secondly are you saying the shp will not have an increase in the future, i find that hard to believe, especially considering the budget mess in trenton, when that increase is factored in perhaps there would of been a savings by switching. thank you Well, you got me. Who are you? I thought I could sit by and learn a few things that my brother didn't let me know.--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: Hey Johnny boy. I'm getting a real good Asbury Park Education here. It's a good thing I know most of these names.--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 bluebishop82@ wrote: Well apoojo you seem to have the advantage of knowing who I am without me knowing who you are. The reason you don't remember me, based upon the names you brought up below, is that you are clearly a half generation older than I am. My guess is 7 to 10 years older. Just to prove to you I know a little something about your generation in AP, let's see if I can identify some of the people you are refering to below. Chico = I knew a guy they called Chee Chee from third ave. who I think was there the night Artie Dello was killed. Is that who you mean? Or do you mean Mr. C, but Mr. C is a bit older than you. Other than that I don't know. Ducky = Fornicola. Johnny Cag = I remember the name but I can't remember the rest. Caggiano? I'm recalling something about a store and the name Johnny Cag. Could be a different guy though. T Rozza = Tommy Rozza, Neil's brother and Blade's son. RIP. Nicky Al = Nicky Aldarelli. Fat Tommy = Tommy Aldarelli, RIP. I hung out with his younger brother Micheal. Butch B = Butch from the Pony? The Filosos = Friends with my oldest sister; she has me by 7 years. The rest of your friends I might remember with more info. As for the pool, if you mean the Monte Carlo, I was about 5 or 6 when they tore it out so I doubt you saw me there. If you mean 7th ave., my family shared a locker with JAP's family every year through my teens. Jimmy Condos (of JIMI) was a lifeguard at the time. As for Arcades, I hung out at Lee's inside convention hall. Jimmy Bruno worked there giving out change at the time. I had high score on Sinbad and Joker Poker and I'll gladly take you on in pin ball to this day to prove to you who I am. ;-) Later on it was owned by Joe Pallato, who would give you 2 for one on quarters. So how did I do? Are you about 50? I'm 42. You can check me out in APHS Driftwood Yearbook class of '82 (the five percenter years). Or in Werner and Frank D'Alessandro's new book on Holy Spirit (I saw a picture of me in there when I was 10). What year did you graduate APHS? On what street did you grow
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I don't know where you get your information, but I think they left out some major details. I would have no problem switching insurance companies to get a better deal for the members if the coverage was better. However, at the cost to the taxpayer, and a rising insurance cost higher than the SHBP, it would not only cost you, the taxpayer more than SHBP, but it would also make my negotiations harder. This would be due to the fact that cost of insurance under this so called savings, would be impossible to keep up with and the BOE would be forced to look again. Fred, Usually it is your own posts tha show how little you really know. This time it came from someone else. If I knew as little as you and were as many times, I would hide my idenity too. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: Tell me that when they switch Insurance Companys. Now I don't know where you get your information, but I think they left out some major details. I would have no problem switching insurance companies to get a better deal for the members if the coverage was better. However, at the cost to the taxpayer, and a rising insurance cost higher than the SHBP, it would not only cost you, the taxpayer more than SHBP, but it would also make my negotiations harder. This would be due to the fact that cost of insurance under this so called savings, would be impossible to keep up with and the BOE would be forced to look again. Fred, Usually it is your own posts tha show how little you really know. This time it came from someone else. If I knew as little as you and were as many times, I would hide my idenity too. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, one thing is for sure, I didn't try to hide my identity. However, you did a good job. You must know who my brother is based on all of the names you provided last night. As for the insurance issue, let me set the record straight, as I came from that field before becoming a teacher. First and foremost, this insurance issue has popped up once before. Our prior BA, EK, proposed this change to get out of the SHBP, while Karl Crudup was President. This change to BCBS came with the fact that now a broker, Grinspec, would handle the benefits. You are definitely right. This would have saved the BOE approximately 12% the first year. Not bad, and I would have definitely been in favor. However, year 2, 3 and so on steadily would have gone up drastically to the point that the savings were now a major loss to the BOE. To try to get back to the SHBP and get rid of a broker was and still is impossible. The state will not allow. Once you are out, you're out. Then you are forced to use this broker at a 10% fee. Yes, 10% to the broker, or at that time, roughly $700,000. There is your 600K in savings minus 100K. Second, this issue is rising to the top once more. I really don't need to go in to it again, but the fact remains that it is history, only two years old, repeating itself again. And I must also point out the fact that EK, the ex BA is under indictment in another school distrcit as we speak. I wonder who was getting a kickback with the 700K in commission? Now I don't know where you get your information, but I think they left out some major details. I would have no problem switching insurance companies to get a better deal for the members if the coverage was better. However, at the cost to the taxpayer, and a rising insurance cost higher than the SHBP, it would not only cost you, the taxpayer more than SHBP, but it would also make my negotiations harder. This would be due to the fact that cost of insurance under this so called savings, would be impossible to keep up with and the BOE would be forced to look again. Third and final point, Frank D. had nothing to do with the insurance being stopped, nor did the Association. It was economically the correct thing to do. Frank D., as you know, is only one vote and I really don't think he has that kind of power. However, I think he should be flattered by the fact that so many people think he does. I hope this answers your questions. I think the source should give you a bit more detailed information. And if you want, you can reach out to me any time and we can discuss it in person. I am easily accessible, as you know who I am. Johnny Boy --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: It wasn't to hard to figure out APEAexec1. Did Frank D tell you to join? We know he's a union guy and listens to your union. We should be honored to have the President of the teachers union in this group. So tell us why did the BOE not change Health Ins. companies? Some people(me) are saying it was the union that stopped it via Frank D. You know it could have saved the city 600,000 dollars and you would have had the same coverage. How many layoffs are you facing? 20- 30- 40? You know they're going to go after the support staff and Teachers not the Administators. You should get some good ideas from this group, God knows we know evrything about everything. Just for the record I'm the only one who really knows what's going on. Who am I? Let's just say a family member is in your union. Well, you got me. Who are you? I thought I could sit by and learn a few things that my brother didn't let me know.--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: Hey Johnny boy. I'm getting a real good Asbury Park Education here. It's a good thing I know most of these names.--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 bluebishop82@ wrote: Well apoojo you seem to have the advantage of knowing who I am without me knowing who you are. The reason you don't remember me, based upon the names you brought up below, is that you are clearly a half generation older than I am. My guess is 7 to 10 years older. Just to prove to you I know a little something about your generation in AP, let's see if I can identify some of the people you are refering to below. Chico = I knew a guy they called Chee Chee from third ave. who I think was there the night Artie Dello was killed.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: Are you saying that the State Insurance isn't going and Corzine is lying? Insurance companyies don't give out 3 year plans anymore nor should you get locked in for 3 years that's why you shop around and get the best deal. It would have been a $600,000 saving after the commission. You have to have a broker. I know your new at this game but check and double check what the Board says. You KNOW Lewis and it seems like the Board falls in line to what he says. I'm sure Frank D. can get 5 votes if he really wants to, do the math. By the way why didn't the UNION publicly blast the 5 years contract giving to Lewis? Unless you agree with it. Bring back Russ Leidy he would have destroyed that contract. Well, one thing is for sure, I didn't try to hide my identity. However, you did a good job. You must know who my brother is based on all of the names you provided last night. As for the insurance issue, let me set the record straight, as I came from that field before becoming a teacher. First and foremost, this insurance issue has popped up once before. Our prior BA, EK, proposed this change to get out of the SHBP, while Karl Crudup was President. This change to BCBS came with the fact that now a broker, Grinspec, would handle the benefits. You are definitely right. This would have saved the BOE approximately 12% the first year. Not bad, and I would have definitely been in favor. However, year 2, 3 and so on steadily would have gone up drastically to the point that the savings were now a major loss to the BOE. To try to get back to the SHBP and get rid of a broker was and still is impossible. The state will not allow. Once you are out, you're out. Then you are forced to use this broker at a 10% fee. Yes, 10% to the broker, or at that time, roughly $700,000. There is your 600K in savings minus 100K. Second, this issue is rising to the top once more. I really don't need to go in to it again, but the fact remains that it is history, only two years old, repeating itself again. And I must also point out the fact that EK, the ex BA is under indictment in another school distrcit as we speak. I wonder who was getting a kickback with the 700K in commission? Now I don't know where you get your information, but I think they left out some major details. I would have no problem switching insurance companies to get a better deal for the members if the coverage was better. However, at the cost to the taxpayer, and a rising insurance cost higher than the SHBP, it would not only cost you, the taxpayer more than SHBP, but it would also make my negotiations harder. This would be due to the fact that cost of insurance under this so called savings, would be impossible to keep up with and the BOE would be forced to look again. Third and final point, Frank D. had nothing to do with the insurance being stopped, nor did the Association. It was economically the correct thing to do. Frank D., as you know, is only one vote and I really don't think he has that kind of power. However, I think he should be flattered by the fact that so many people think he does. I hope this answers your questions. I think the source should give you a bit more detailed information. And if you want, you can reach out to me any time and we can discuss it in person. I am easily accessible, as you know who I am. Johnny Boy --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: It wasn't to hard to figure out APEAexec1. Did Frank D tell you to join? We know he's a union guy and listens to your union. We should be honored to have the President of the teachers union in this group. So tell us why did the BOE not change Health Ins. companies? Some people(me) are saying it was the union that stopped it via Frank D. You know it could have saved the city 600,000 dollars and you would have had the same coverage. How many layoffs are you facing? 20- 30- 40? You know they're going to go after the support staff and Teachers not the Administators. You should get some good ideas from this group, God knows we know evrything about everything. Just for the record I'm the only one who really knows what's going on. Who am I? Let's just say a family member is in your union. Well, you got me. Who are you? I thought I could sit by and learn a few things that my brother didn't let me know.--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote:
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Obviously you missed the entire point. The first year was a come on. The second year, no matter what company, was going to be higher. As for the five year contract, once again, the source was wrong. It is 4 years, 1 left on the prior year and 3 more. And how would have Russ gotten rid of a contract. Maybe you could teach me how to that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: Are you saying that the State Insurance isn't going and Corzine is lying? Insurance companyies don't give out 3 year plans anymore nor should you get locked in for 3 years that's why you shop around and get the best deal. It would have been a $600,000 saving after the commission. You have to have a broker. I know your new at this game but check and double check what the Board says. You KNOW Lewis and it seems like the Board falls in line to what he says. I'm sure Frank D. can get 5 votes if he really wants to, do the math. By the way why didn't the UNION publicly blast the 5 years contract giving to Lewis? Unless you agree with it. Bring back Russ Leidy he would have destroyed that contract. Well, one thing is for sure, I didn't try to hide my identity. However, you did a good job. You must know who my brother is based on all of the names you provided last night. As for the insurance issue, let me set the record straight, as I came from that field before becoming a teacher. First and foremost, this insurance issue has popped up once before. Our prior BA, EK, proposed this change to get out of the SHBP, while Karl Crudup was President. This change to BCBS came with the fact that now a broker, Grinspec, would handle the benefits. You are definitely right. This would have saved the BOE approximately 12% the first year. Not bad, and I would have definitely been in favor. However, year 2, 3 and so on steadily would have gone up drastically to the point that the savings were now a major loss to the BOE. To try to get back to the SHBP and get rid of a broker was and still is impossible. The state will not allow. Once you are out, you're out. Then you are forced to use this broker at a 10% fee. Yes, 10% to the broker, or at that time, roughly $700,000. There is your 600K in savings minus 100K. Second, this issue is rising to the top once more. I really don't need to go in to it again, but the fact remains that it is history, only two years old, repeating itself again. And I must also point out the fact that EK, the ex BA is under indictment in another school distrcit as we speak. I wonder who was getting a kickback with the 700K in commission? Now I don't know where you get your information, but I think they left out some major details. I would have no problem switching insurance companies to get a better deal for the members if the coverage was better. However, at the cost to the taxpayer, and a rising insurance cost higher than the SHBP, it would not only cost you, the taxpayer more than SHBP, but it would also make my negotiations harder. This would be due to the fact that cost of insurance under this so called savings, would be impossible to keep up with and the BOE would be forced to look again. Third and final point, Frank D. had nothing to do with the insurance being stopped, nor did the Association. It was economically the correct thing to do. Frank D., as you know, is only one vote and I really don't think he has that kind of power. However, I think he should be flattered by the fact that so many people think he does. I hope this answers your questions. I think the source should give you a bit more detailed information. And if you want, you can reach out to me any time and we can discuss it in person. I am easily accessible, as you know who I am. Johnny Boy --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: It wasn't to hard to figure out APEAexec1. Did Frank D tell you to join? We know he's a union guy and listens to your union. We should be honored to have the President of the teachers union in this group. So tell us why did the BOE not change Health Ins. companies? Some people(me) are saying it was the union that stopped it via Frank D. You know it could have saved the city 600,000 dollars and you would have had the same coverage. How many layoffs are you facing? 20- 30- 40? You know they're going to go after the support staff and Teachers not the
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Russ Leidy!!! The social studies teacher? If that's the same guy, I had a blast in his class. Every monday morning he played a tape of the previous night's 60 minutes. Talk about a liberal! He made no bones about it that he was a socialist. How much of that was bait to get me going I don't know, but I spent a whole year debating with him. He'd probably get in trouble with Sean Hannity for doing that in class today, but I recollect that he wasn't preachy about it - he got us talking. Very inspiring to make us defend our point of view. He ran a great class. Good guy. Is he sill around? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: Are you saying that the State Insurance isn't going and Corzine is lying? Insurance companyies don't give out 3 year plans anymore nor should you get locked in for 3 years that's why you shop around and get the best deal. It would have been a $600,000 saving after the commission. You have to have a broker. I know your new at this game but check and double check what the Board says. You KNOW Lewis and it seems like the Board falls in line to what he says. I'm sure Frank D. can get 5 votes if he really wants to, do the math. By the way why didn't the UNION publicly blast the 5 years contract giving to Lewis? Unless you agree with it. Bring back Russ Leidy he would have destroyed that contract. Well, one thing is for sure, I didn't try to hide my identity. However, you did a good job. You must know who my brother is based on all of the names you provided last night. As for the insurance issue, let me set the record straight, as I came from that field before becoming a teacher. First and foremost, this insurance issue has popped up once before. Our prior BA, EK, proposed this change to get out of the SHBP, while Karl Crudup was President. This change to BCBS came with the fact that now a broker, Grinspec, would handle the benefits. You are definitely right. This would have saved the BOE approximately 12% the first year. Not bad, and I would have definitely been in favor. However, year 2, 3 and so on steadily would have gone up drastically to the point that the savings were now a major loss to the BOE. To try to get back to the SHBP and get rid of a broker was and still is impossible. The state will not allow. Once you are out, you're out. Then you are forced to use this broker at a 10% fee. Yes, 10% to the broker, or at that time, roughly $700,000. There is your 600K in savings minus 100K. Second, this issue is rising to the top once more. I really don't need to go in to it again, but the fact remains that it is history, only two years old, repeating itself again. And I must also point out the fact that EK, the ex BA is under indictment in another school distrcit as we speak. I wonder who was getting a kickback with the 700K in commission? Now I don't know where you get your information, but I think they left out some major details. I would have no problem switching insurance companies to get a better deal for the members if the coverage was better. However, at the cost to the taxpayer, and a rising insurance cost higher than the SHBP, it would not only cost you, the taxpayer more than SHBP, but it would also make my negotiations harder. This would be due to the fact that cost of insurance under this so called savings, would be impossible to keep up with and the BOE would be forced to look again. Third and final point, Frank D. had nothing to do with the insurance being stopped, nor did the Association. It was economically the correct thing to do. Frank D., as you know, is only one vote and I really don't think he has that kind of power. However, I think he should be flattered by the fact that so many people think he does. I hope this answers your questions. I think the source should give you a bit more detailed information. And if you want, you can reach out to me any time and we can discuss it in person. I am easily accessible, as you know who I am. Johnny Boy --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: It wasn't to hard to figure out APEAexec1. Did Frank D tell you to join? We know he's a union guy and listens to your union. We should be honored to have the President of the teachers union in this group. So tell us why did the BOE not change Health Ins. companies? Some people(me) are saying it was the union that stopped it via Frank D.
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Yeah, same guy, and I think he is still around, in Brick. He was one hell of a Union President. The best for that time. It's a different ballgame today with Administration.--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russ Leidy!!! The social studies teacher? If that's the same guy, I had a blast in his class. Every monday morning he played a tape of the previous night's 60 minutes. Talk about a liberal! He made no bones about it that he was a socialist. How much of that was bait to get me going I don't know, but I spent a whole year debating with him. He'd probably get in trouble with Sean Hannity for doing that in class today, but I recollect that he wasn't preachy about it - he got us talking. Very inspiring to make us defend our point of view. He ran a great class. Good guy. Is he sill around? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: Are you saying that the State Insurance isn't going and Corzine is lying? Insurance companyies don't give out 3 year plans anymore nor should you get locked in for 3 years that's why you shop around and get the best deal. It would have been a $600,000 saving after the commission. You have to have a broker. I know your new at this game but check and double check what the Board says. You KNOW Lewis and it seems like the Board falls in line to what he says. I'm sure Frank D. can get 5 votes if he really wants to, do the math. By the way why didn't the UNION publicly blast the 5 years contract giving to Lewis? Unless you agree with it. Bring back Russ Leidy he would have destroyed that contract. Well, one thing is for sure, I didn't try to hide my identity. However, you did a good job. You must know who my brother is based on all of the names you provided last night. As for the insurance issue, let me set the record straight, as I came from that field before becoming a teacher. First and foremost, this insurance issue has popped up once before. Our prior BA, EK, proposed this change to get out of the SHBP, while Karl Crudup was President. This change to BCBS came with the fact that now a broker, Grinspec, would handle the benefits. You are definitely right. This would have saved the BOE approximately 12% the first year. Not bad, and I would have definitely been in favor. However, year 2, 3 and so on steadily would have gone up drastically to the point that the savings were now a major loss to the BOE. To try to get back to the SHBP and get rid of a broker was and still is impossible. The state will not allow. Once you are out, you're out. Then you are forced to use this broker at a 10% fee. Yes, 10% to the broker, or at that time, roughly $700,000. There is your 600K in savings minus 100K. Second, this issue is rising to the top once more. I really don't need to go in to it again, but the fact remains that it is history, only two years old, repeating itself again. And I must also point out the fact that EK, the ex BA is under indictment in another school distrcit as we speak. I wonder who was getting a kickback with the 700K in commission? Now I don't know where you get your information, but I think they left out some major details. I would have no problem switching insurance companies to get a better deal for the members if the coverage was better. However, at the cost to the taxpayer, and a rising insurance cost higher than the SHBP, it would not only cost you, the taxpayer more than SHBP, but it would also make my negotiations harder. This would be due to the fact that cost of insurance under this so called savings, would be impossible to keep up with and the BOE would be forced to look again. Third and final point, Frank D. had nothing to do with the insurance being stopped, nor did the Association. It was economically the correct thing to do. Frank D., as you know, is only one vote and I really don't think he has that kind of power. However, I think he should be flattered by the fact that so many people think he does. I hope this answers your questions. I think the source should give you a bit more detailed information. And if you want, you can reach out to me any time and we can discuss it in person. I am easily accessible, as you know who I am. Johnny Boy --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same guy he was working for the NJEA Russ Leidy!!! The social studies teacher? If that's the same guy, I had a blast in his class. Every monday morning he played a tape of the previous night's 60 minutes. Talk about a liberal! He made no bones about it that he was a socialist. How much of that was bait to get me going I don't know, but I spent a whole year debating with him. He'd probably get in trouble with Sean Hannity for doing that in class today, but I recollect that he wasn't preachy about it - he got us talking. Very inspiring to make us defend our point of view. He ran a great class. Good guy. Is he sill around? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: Are you saying that the State Insurance isn't going and Corzine is lying? Insurance companyies don't give out 3 year plans anymore nor should you get locked in for 3 years that's why you shop around and get the best deal. It would have been a $600,000 saving after the commission. You have to have a broker. I know your new at this game but check and double check what the Board says. You KNOW Lewis and it seems like the Board falls in line to what he says. I'm sure Frank D. can get 5 votes if he really wants to, do the math. By the way why didn't the UNION publicly blast the 5 years contract giving to Lewis? Unless you agree with it. Bring back Russ Leidy he would have destroyed that contract. Well, one thing is for sure, I didn't try to hide my identity. However, you did a good job. You must know who my brother is based on all of the names you provided last night. As for the insurance issue, let me set the record straight, as I came from that field before becoming a teacher. First and foremost, this insurance issue has popped up once before. Our prior BA, EK, proposed this change to get out of the SHBP, while Karl Crudup was President. This change to BCBS came with the fact that now a broker, Grinspec, would handle the benefits. You are definitely right. This would have saved the BOE approximately 12% the first year. Not bad, and I would have definitely been in favor. However, year 2, 3 and so on steadily would have gone up drastically to the point that the savings were now a major loss to the BOE. To try to get back to the SHBP and get rid of a broker was and still is impossible. The state will not allow. Once you are out, you're out. Then you are forced to use this broker at a 10% fee. Yes, 10% to the broker, or at that time, roughly $700,000. There is your 600K in savings minus 100K. Second, this issue is rising to the top once more. I really don't need to go in to it again, but the fact remains that it is history, only two years old, repeating itself again. And I must also point out the fact that EK, the ex BA is under indictment in another school distrcit as we speak. I wonder who was getting a kickback with the 700K in commission? Now I don't know where you get your information, but I think they left out some major details. I would have no problem switching insurance companies to get a better deal for the members if the coverage was better. However, at the cost to the taxpayer, and a rising insurance cost higher than the SHBP, it would not only cost you, the taxpayer more than SHBP, but it would also make my negotiations harder. This would be due to the fact that cost of insurance under this so called savings, would be impossible to keep up with and the BOE would be forced to look again. Third and final point, Frank D. had nothing to do with the insurance being stopped, nor did the Association. It was economically the correct thing to do. Frank D., as you know, is only one vote and I really don't think he has that kind of power. However, I think he should be flattered by the fact that so many people think he does. I hope this answers your questions. I think the source should give you a bit more detailed information. And if you want, you can reach out to me any time and we can discuss it in person. I am easily accessible, as you know who I am. Johnny Boy --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: It wasn't to hard to figure out APEAexec1. Did Frank D tell you to join? We know he's a union guy and
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russ Leidy!!! The social studies teacher? If that's the same guy, I had a blast in his class. First, BB, I want to thank you publicly (or at least semi-publicly as in this group) for stepping up to the plate and delivering a top of the line printer-fax-copier to the kids in the 5th grade apogee program at the Bradley Elementary School. Having seen some of their writings, I can say we have some really talented scribes among those young people. You'd think that with a huge budget like the one we have, the kids in that class would have had a decent printer to go along with the computers. Now, thanks to you (and I know you had attended that school for a time back when), the students can get a hard copy of what they compose. And thanks for the ink cartridges as well. We may disagree on lots of issues, especially red state-blue state stuff, but in this case we're on the same page, literally, I think. And perhaps you can assist us in a project the board has said is a priority: the creation of an Ed Foundation. In the years ahead, when the State steps further away from our district, such a foundation will be more important than ever. If you have any ideas on the subject, perhaps you can contact the folks in Central office and even (gasp!) the much maligned union. Anyone who doubts that the Bradley School has not come a long way and turned a significant corner lately should visit the place. The school administration and staff work together in an atmosphere that might put many suburban schools to shame. By the way, the same can be said for the other two Elementary Schools in Asbury: Thurgood Marshall and Bangs Avenue. There is an atmosphere of caring, calm, and best of all, learning, going on in those places, too. Frank (I'm not running for anything but the Crosstown bus) D'Alessandro Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 bluebishop82@ wrote: Russ Leidy!!! The social studies teacher? If that's the same guy, I had a blast in his class. PS Russ Leidy was one of my heros as a union guy, along with the great Marie Panos, John Molloy, and Diane Swaim of Middletown (happily still a wonderful friend). Being an old Wobbly, I always admired the long defunct IWW, too. Hell, at my age, I'm practically a contemporary of Samuel Gompers. That probably explains a lot. Frank D' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
