Re: [Assam] Civilian Invasion by Bangladesh
Himen, Have you paused to think why nobody is replying to your fantasies? Could it be that they all think you offer nothing but garbage? Cool off! Maybe join Baba Ramdeo's Ashram at somewhere. Really! mm From: "Himendra Thakur" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Chan Mahanta" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: "Dr. Khanindra Pathak" [EMAIL PROTECTED],assam@assamnet.org, MANOJ KUMAR DAS [EMAIL PROTECTED],J Kalita [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Assam] Civilian Invasion by BangladeshDate: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:13:28 -0500 Dear Chandan, Since you have made comments about me that *** Actually you are something else! I have now my rights to ask you what you are. Please answer the following two questions: 1. Are you claiming Independence of Assam from India by living in the USA under the protection of your US Citizenship? 2. By living in the USA under the protection of your US Citizenship, are you helping Bangladesh in their Civilian Invasion of India where the immediate victim is Assam? Please reply to these questions with the courage of your convictions. I'll deal with your other points such "'khai-paat-folaa' ( ingrate) attitude towards the USA," etc., after I hear your straight answer to the above two questions. Best, Himendra - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Himendra Thakur ; assam@assamnet.org Cc: J Kalita ; MANOJ KUMAR DAS Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Hindus and Muslims are brothers Dear Himen-da, At 10:12 PM -0500 1/29/06, Himendra Thakur wrote: Dear Chandan, I am NOT a Muslim baiter --- I am opposed to INVADERS. *** Actually you are something else! It is unreal that you should go on with these patently absurd arguments and explanations. Tell you what Himen-da, if I were in your shoes, I would defend my bigoted views with the courage of my convictions instead of manufacturing such laughable excuses. By making an announcement that there is not a single Bangladeshi infiltrator in Assam,---" *** Not Saurav, not I nor anyone else in this forum have made such an assertion. Now you are resorting flagrant fabrications too. Besides it is a different issue that has NOTHING to do with your introductory assertions attempting to deny the citizenship of Muslims of India by branding them invaders six hundred plus years after the fact. That was where your bigotry and fascist attitudes showed in living colors. Saurav is justifying the infiltration of Bangladeshis oneconomics. *** That is another sleazy assertion. Saurav NEVER JUSTIFIED such a thing. He was merely attempting to explain the phenomenon to rebut your convoluted assertion that it is a grand Islamic conspiracy to breed the hordes of B'deshis so they can take over Assam. Every invasion has aneconomicaspect. Attack by Sultan Mamud prior to 1193 were all economic ... he wantedgold rom the Jain, Hindu and Buddhist temples in India. When the British came, they came for economic reason ... they even called it a profit-making East India Company. *** And what does that have to do with today's Muslims of India? O, by extension and implication, Assam's Muslim population? B'deshis have been sneaking into Assam for ECONOMIC survival, because there is land to be found. And what has your GoI, with its resources and constitutional duty of border protection done all these thirty years about it since the problem exacerbated? And when I asked you that question why could you NOT explain it? Oh I know you would blame it on the Nehru Dynasty as if it had nothing to do with being the Government of India. But that is the Hinduttwa folks' hang-up, alibi and that does not help Assam, does it? Anyway what did the NDA do anything other than fan the flames of sectarian conflict with their fascist ideology spreading the poison of communalism of historical Hindu Muslim amity in Assam? Assam-net is getting ruined by your inuendos, suspicion, implication, blame, accusation, insinuation ... and everybody seems to be in the defensive. *** I find that very amusing Himen-da. Those who find themselves on the DEFENSIVE -- I know a few do -- do so only because they get exposed in their attempts to peddle something in the guise of something else. My pointing that out causes them discomfiture and embarrassment. Now if they believe their intent is honorable, they need not be on the defensive do they? They could DEFEND their integrity by explaining in simple English, couldn't they? But once again, here is a little suggestion for those who are intimidated: Perhaps they would canvass for a DEMOCRATIC referendum to expel the intimidator. Being the devotees of democracy , they ought not to be afraid to take it up. And if they are in the majority they could then demand of the Webmaster/s to either expel or muzzle yours truly by some other means, to preserve the equanimity of Assam Net. How is that? I give you 'bhukto-bhwgis' (victims) ALL the weapons you need for de-fanging me, even show you my vulnerable underbelly -- but you never use them. Why
Re: [Assam] Hamas sweeps to election victory
Bhubon Kakaideo, Can I chirp in? Times writer is another brainwashed Limey only! mm From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: Assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Hamas sweeps to election victoryDate: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:15:43 EST Chandan Thanks for your so co-operative note. First of all, I feel, you ought not to have criticized The Times news. I was only the messenger and my opinion is worthless. The newspapers are open to criticism and are vulnerable. They regularly issue correction notes, apologise, settle disputes out of court and on occasions are punished , usually by heavy fines. Their reporters are at times praised and at times the censors reprimand them. I can indeed point out where I disagree with your opinion in regard to The Timesâ piece. But it is hardly my job, And I am sure the Editor of the paper or his staff will do the job more efficiently and a little differently. And here I come to the popular meaning of the word âobjectiveâ, our purpose, our aim. I feel we must not fail see the trees because of the wood. Our job is not to criticise newspaper reports. We have to try to learn our lessons from what happens in the world scene.The press is just a provider of the news of events. I feel the Israel-Palestine conflict is at the root of our concern for world peace. I explained earlier how I felt a little offended but with your openness youâve very much humbled me. The Best Bhuban ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Some Things About Assam Net
Title: Some Things About Assam Net Hi Himen-da: Many years ago, I saw someone using the term Civilian Invasion by Bangladesh and got scared. *** Scare is a state of mind. We can manipulate ourselves to be scared of little children too, if we so choose to, or if we are messed up enough. I know a lot of my fellow suburban Americans who are paranoid of driving to downtown. But it is a self-induced condition. Would you care to share WHY you got so scared of the 'lungi menace'? Maybe talking about it will help you get over your phobia. Oh, yes, it may provoke unpleasant comments, but that too could be therapeutic, if you come with an open mind. Unfortunately when someone approaches this group with an intent to preach, my observation has been that you might as well go talk to a blank wall. Oh there have been instances of the aspiring preacher attempting to masquerade his mission as an open give and take , or that attempt to feed 'maas' by calling it 'jiji' ( like one of my reminders that offended you). But the pretensions show up under the strains of the first challenges, and it usually is downhill from then on. The defensiveness, the denials and protestations, the hurt feelings, the strike-backs; the symptoms are classic and unmistakable. ( How do I know all this ? A good old friend , a fellow Jokaisukiya, Dr. Tilok Hatimuria, a practising Large Animal Shrink from Dogpatch, Arkansas ; he taught me everything about the large animal mind, four-legged and two). Even when I posted there is NO GOD in Rik Veda there had been no response ! No curiosity !! God is a very personal thing. Your attempts at making it a public issue to debate or to teach the ignoramus, is unlikely to draw people into it. But there are instances in which many netters join in verbal jousting over God, religion, and everything taboo too.It is usually so when it is an intellectual exercise, not a political ploy. It depends on the context. The chances of prodding someone into it, by design, are slim to none. Heaven ( it is just a manner of speech now) knows I disagree and debate with netters often on a variety of issues. Some participate, and many don't. There are many reasons. One is that not all are articulate enough to do justice to delivering a point of view that they may hold -- an universal condition, not limited to kharkhowas or markhowas ( even though I sometimes present it as unique to us, as a ploy) But that does not mean they are not intelligent enough to read and understand what is going on. They were not born yesterday, like I told you that I wasn't, another thing that offended you. That understanding has been very useful for me in communicating with them. In spite of the fireworks I have had the notoriety of generating time to time, they have not chased me out of town--YET; because I never try to insult their intelligence. I always write without personal attack, and without throwing adjectives on correspondents. *** Often people use those adjectives to drive home a point. If it appears not to sink in ( density of the target matter is always a factor) they get more and more strident. Sweetness and honey laced prose, by and of itself, is no protection against those adjectives, if they are a foil for a hidden or thinly veiled agenda. How do I know? You can say I wrote the book on it :-). But there ARE boundaries! Mercifully, most of us know WHEN NOT to cross them. Newcomers miss the culture every now-and-then. They do get an opportunity to learn and mend their ways. Netters are quite forgiving. There have been a few incorrigible ones amongst us however. But they disappear by themselves. A few rare cases had to be shown the door too. I still appeal to you, as an old friend, to give up your anti-India approach. *** That 'anti-Indian' stick, Himen-da, is a much abused and useless device. Its use is widespread amongst the immature, the inarticulate, the sanctimonious, the fascists and the religious zealots and the clueless of India, just like it is so in the USA. Similarly with that anti-American smear, so prevalent in the far-right talk show circuit and the Bible-belt sermons. Thoughtful people would attempt to understand WHERE that anti-India approach springs from. They would attempt to learn if it is a CAUSE or a SYMPTOM.( Here I speak from FIRST HAND experiences. I have been excoriated for MY 'anti-Indian'-ness more times than anybody else I know.) And no amount of appeals, be it on grounds of old-friendships, or debts to Bharat-Mata's graces, or rewards of patriotism or what-have-you, would change anything, until those CAUSES get addressed and resolved. I thought you are enough of a realist to realize that, more so after three decades in the USA as a practising engineer. But there is always time to learn new tricks :-). Regards, c At 6:52 AM -0500 1/31/06, Himendra Thakur wrote: Dear Mukul, You are right. I am really pausing to think why nobody is answering. But, what I wrote were not
Re: [Assam] [WaterWatch] Will not bring politics into water disputes: Saifudin Soz
Title: Re: [WaterWatch] Will not bring politics into water disput The same report as seen in THe Assam Tribune tells a different tale. Which is correct? UPA likely to take up river-linking project From Our Staff Correspondent NEW DELHI, Jan 30 - The much-hyped river inter-linking project may not be put in the cold storage by the UPA Government, with the newly-inducted Minister of Water Resources, Prof Saifuddin Soz today maintaining that the project was achievable. Talking to newsmen soon after joining his new assignment Soz, however, played safe on most of the contentious issues. On the river-linking project, the minister said efforts were needed and it was possible to connect some rivers. Referring to the differences between the States over the issue, Soz said that he proposed to open fresh negotiations with Chief Ministers of the State to work out a solution to connect the rivers. "If need be I may even convene a meeting with the State Water Resources Ministers," he said, adding that dialogue was going to be the key word. The Minister interestingly finds himself in an awkward position because when he was in the opposition, he happened to be bitter critic of the project. But today he rejected claims that inter-linking project was not achievable goal. The river-linking project launched with much fan-fare by the previous NDA regime has been all but discarded by the UPA on the ground that it was unworkable. However, it was later decided to take up the Project phase wise, with peninsular component taking precedence over the Himalayan one. Last year the project got a big boost when the Ken-Betwa River Link was signed between Madhya Pradesh and Uttar Pradesh. A Detailed Project Report (DPR) on the proposal is being prepared. Meanwhile, Soz has turned down demand for payment of royalty for water. "It is not correct to ask for royalty on water," he said. The water after-all is for use within the country and resources should not get wasted, he argued. ** At 2:44 PM + 1/31/06, mediavigil wrote: Will not bring politics into water disputes NEW DELHI: ``Dialogue is the only process. I am not going to bring politics into the issue of resolving water disputes,'' said Union Minister Saifudin Soz after taking charge of the Water Resources Ministry here on 30 January. In his interaction with mediapersons, he said one of his priorities would be to hold a dialogue with States on the need for sharing river waters and intra-basin linking of rivers. ``As a parliamentarian I thought the mammoth plan of rivers linking, as conceived by the National Democratic Alliance Government, was not feasible. But I am told that small links can be created and are being planned.'' The Minister said he would neither discriminate against any State nor let his party affiliation come in the way of resolving issues. ``I am not going to write to Chief Ministers. I will hold a dialogue with them and try to bring relief on the negotiation table. After all this is for the benefit of India.'' On the Parliamentary Committee's recommendation to integrate all drinking water schemes under one Ministry, he said he would prefer that. Mr. Soz was Minister of Environment and Forests in 1998-99. Mr. Soz took over from Santosh Mohan Deb who was holding additional charge of the Ministry after Priyaranjan Dasmunsi was shifted to Parliamentary Affairs. The Hindu ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Fast if you must. Part answer is, the Indian army evicting them permanently.
to protest Bangladeshi infiltration in Assam http://oheraldo.in/node/9156BY HERALD REPORTERPANJIM, JAN 30 - Akhil Bhartiya Vidyarthi Parishad (ABVP) activists on Monday began a 24-hour fast at ferry point to draw the attention of the Government to the Bangladeshi infiltrators in Assam.ABVP has been supporting the peoples agitation against the infiltration in Assam since 1979. Bangladeshis illegally entering into India particularly in Assam have marred the cultural, economic and political life of the province, they (ABVP) alleged, adding that now the problem has become so severe that an awareness needs to be made on the issue.In addition to the 24-hour fast by the ABVP activists, a meeting has been organised at Menezes Braganza Hall, which will be held on February 1, at 5.00 pm. A student leader from Assam, Somprakash Battacharya will address the gathering. FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar MSN Toolbar Get it now! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] [WaterWatch] Will not bring politics into water disputes: Saifudin Soz
The same report as seen in THe Assam Tribune tells a different tale. Which is correct? Which one do you want to believe/trust, C'da? Why shouldn't you cherry-pick as usual? :):) --Ram On 1/31/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The same report as seen in THe Assam Tribune tells a different tale. Which is correct? UPA likely to take up river-linking projectFrom Our Staff Correspondent NEW DELHI, Jan 30 - The much-hyped river inter-linking project may not be put in the cold storage by the UPA Government, with the newly-inducted Minister of Water Resources, Prof Saifuddin Soz today maintaining that the project was achievable. Talking to newsmen soon after joining his new assignment Soz, however, played safe on most of the contentious issues. On the river-linking project, the minister said efforts were needed and it was possible to connect some rivers. Referring to the differences between the States over the issue, Soz said that he proposed to open fresh negotiations with Chief Ministers of the State to work out a solution to connect the rivers. If need be I may even convene a meeting with the State Water Resources Ministers, he said, adding that dialogue was going to be the key word. The Minister interestingly finds himself in an awkward position because when he was in the opposition, he happened to be bitter critic of the project. But today he rejected claims that inter-linking project was not achievable goal. The river-linking project launched with much fan-fare by the previous NDA regime has been all but discarded by the UPA on the ground that it was unworkable. However, it was later decided to take up the Project phase wise, with peninsular component taking precedence over the Himalayan one. Last year the project got a big boost when the Ken-Betwa River Link was signed between Madhya Pradesh and Uttar Pradesh. A Detailed Project Report (DPR) on the proposal is being prepared.Meanwhile, Soz has turned down demand for payment of royalty for water. It is not correct to ask for royalty on water, he said. The water after-all is for use within the country and resources should not get wasted, he argued. ** At 2:44 PM + 1/31/06, mediavigil wrote: Will not bring politics into water disputesNEW DELHI: ``Dialogue is the only process. I am not going to bringpolitics into the issue of resolving water disputes,'' said Union Minister Saifudin Soz after taking charge of the Water ResourcesMinistry here on 30 January.In his interaction with mediapersons, he said one of his prioritieswould be to hold a dialogue with States on the need for sharing river waters and intra-basin linking of rivers. ``As a parliamentarian Ithought the mammoth plan of rivers linking, as conceived by theNational Democratic Alliance Government, was not feasible. But I am told that small links can be created and are being planned.''The Minister said he would neither discriminate against any State norlet his party affiliation come in the way of resolving issues. ``I amnot going to write to Chief Ministers. I will hold a dialogue with them and try to bring relief on the negotiation table. After all thisis for the benefit of India.''On the Parliamentary Committee's recommendation to integrate alldrinking water schemes under one Ministry, he said he would prefer that. Mr. Soz was Minister of Environment and Forests in 1998-99.Mr. Soz took over from Santosh Mohan Deb who was holding additionalcharge of the Ministry after Priyaranjan Dasmunsi was shifted toParliamentary Affairs. The Hindu___assam mailing list assam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Testing
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Re: [Assam] [WaterWatch] Will not bring politics into water disputes: Saifudin Soz
Title: Re: [Assam] [WaterWatch] Will not bring politics into wate Ram: At 10:43 AM -0600 1/31/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: The same report as seen in THe Assam Tribune tells a different tale. Which is correct? Which one do you want to believe/trust, C'da? Why shouldn't you cherry-pick as usual? :):) --Ram *** One can cherry-pick only when there are cherries to pick from :-) c-da On 1/31/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The same report as seen in THe Assam Tribune tells a different tale. Which is correct? UPA likely to take up river-linking project From Our Staff Correspondent NEW DELHI, Jan 30 - The much-hyped river inter-linking project may not be put in the cold storage by the UPA Government, with the newly-inducted Minister of Water Resources, Prof Saifuddin Soz today maintaining that the project was achievable. Talking to newsmen soon after joining his new assignment Soz, however, played safe on most of the contentious issues. On the river-linking project, the minister said efforts were needed and it was possible to connect some rivers. Referring to the differences between the States over the issue, Soz said that he proposed to open fresh negotiations with Chief Ministers of the State to work out a solution to connect the rivers. If need be I may even convene a meeting with the State Water Resources Ministers, he said, adding that dialogue was going to be the key word. The Minister interestingly finds himself in an awkward position because when he was in the opposition, he happened to be bitter critic of the project. But today he rejected claims that inter-linking project was not achievable goal. The river-linking project launched with much fan-fare by the previous NDA regime has been all but discarded by the UPA on the ground that it was unworkable. However, it was later decided to take up the Project phase wise, with peninsular component taking precedence over the Himalayan one. Last year the project got a big boost when the Ken-Betwa River Link was signed between Madhya Pradesh and Uttar Pradesh. A Detailed Project Report (DPR) on the proposal is being prepared. Meanwhile, Soz has turned down demand for payment of royalty for water. It is not correct to ask for royalty on water, he said. The water after-all is for use within the country and resources should not get wasted, he argued. ** At 2:44 PM + 1/31/06, mediavigil wrote: Will not bring politics into water disputes NEW DELHI: ``Dialogue is the only process. I am not going to bring politics into the issue of resolving water disputes,'' said Union Minister Saifudin Soz after taking charge of the Water Resources Ministry here on 30 January. In his interaction with mediapersons, he said one of his priorities would be to hold a dialogue with States on the need for sharing river waters and intra-basin linking of rivers. ``As a parliamentarian I thought the mammoth plan of rivers linking, as conceived by the National Democratic Alliance Government, was not feasible. But I am told that small links can be created and are being planned.'' The Minister said he would neither discriminate against any State nor let his party affiliation come in the way of resolving issues. ``I am not going to write to Chief Ministers. I will hold a dialogue with them and try to bring relief on the negotiation table. After all this is for the benefit of India.'' On the Parliamentary Committee's recommendation to integrate all drinking water schemes under one Ministry, he said he would prefer that. Mr. Soz was Minister of Environment and Forests in 1998-99. Mr. Soz took over from Santosh Mohan Deb who was holding additional charge of the Ministry after Priyaranjan Dasmunsi was shifted to Parliamentary Affairs. The Hindu ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] State of Education in Brit. How'b in India? -Necessary Info
Mukul-da,Sorry for replying late. I was down with eye flu (conjuntivitis) my first illess -suprisingly - in US. It is true that even in US there are continuous reports that students are learning less than they used to. Just as a gut feeling I would say that as the kids get more and more "necessary info" info to keep in their heads - the less they have spae for regular knowledge like reading and math. I feel the kids and general population in most industrialised societies is getting overburdened with info --from increasingly complicated traffic rules to metro-bus timetables to football scores to computer pakages --all this is becoming neccesary info. Kids have not only to know about their school stuff - but also diiferent types of video games, more and more info about more and more remote places and objects. And mind's info processing power has not made such increments so more mental illness cases in industrialised nations and metro cities of evenIndia.Just my views though. Umeshmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:The stupid nation (1)29 January 2006 IT is one of the most devastating indictments of British education ever produced: a study of 10,000 children reveals that 11-and 12-year-old children are now, on average, between two and three years behind where they were 15 years ago in their cognitive and conceptual development. In other words, their ability to think and reason has receded at an astonishing rate since 1990. Every so often, new research deserves to transform the way a generation thinks about the world; this, from one of Britains leading psychologists, fits the bill. To those who still refuse to admit that educational standards in Britain are in dangerous decline, this groundbreaking research will come as a devastating shock. To the rest of us, it confirms what we had long suspected: British schools are not just failing to meet the demands of the 21st century knowledge economy in equipping children with essential skills, they are doing even worse than they used to, with dire implications for the prospects of a new generation of children in an age of globalisation and intense international competition. The new study, by Michael Shayer of Kings College, London, soon to appear in the British Journal of Educational Psychology, also reveals that the so-called gender gap has disappeared, with the performance of both sexes deteriorating significantly. Much of the collapse took place between 1995 and 2000; but there was a further drop between 2000 and 2004 so both Tory and Labour governments are implicated. By analysing and measuring intellectual ability using the most advanced scientific breakthroughs about the way the brain functions, Mr Shayer, one of Britains most brilliant psychologists, has demonstrated beyond peradventure that children are regressing and becoming less capable. His research confirms what many have long suspected: that the much-touted and relentless improvements in exam results in A-levels and GSCEs, far from demonstrating a rise in standards, are solely the result of grade inflation, the product of easier questions and more promiscuous marking. This is ground-breaking stuff, with huge implications not just for British education but the countrys ability to compete and prosper in the 21st century. So nobody should be surprised that it has been almost wholly ignored by the British media: only The Spectator website (a sister publication of this newspaper) bothered to follow it up properly. Plain folk might regard it as a devastating indictment of our increasingly frivolous media that it did not dominate every front page and lead every news bulletin. But that would be unfair: the media had a dying whale in the Thames and the sexual peccadilloes of minor Liberal politicians to cover, obviously far more significant than a story that raises grave concerns about the nations future. Only this weekend, as The Business brings the researchs findings to its elite readership, is the collapse in the ability of British children beginning to dawn, with leading economists and business groups warning that the collapse in standards will be devastating for Britains ability to compete in the global 21st century knowledge economy. Their concern is all the greater because Mr Shayer has no political axe to grind: he is not associated with any conservative think-tank and the money for his research came from the government-funded Economic and Social Research Council, which resides at the heart of Britains (failed) educational establishment. Before he started his research, Mr Shayer was convinced it would show that British children had improved; no wonder he calls his results astonishing. His research does not explain why the collapse in cognitive ability has taken place; it merely identifies and measures it. He speculates that the lack of experimental play in primary schools and the growth of a video-game and TV culture may be
[Assam] [UNESCO Education News] Celebrating Secondary and Vocational Education
any views?Umesh[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:15:47 +0100To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [UNESCO Education News] UNESCO at 60: Celebrating Secondary and Vocational Education UNESCO at 60: Celebrating Secondary and Vocational Education John Yoon, physics student at Ward Melville High School in Setauket, NY (USA) / © Stony Brook University UNESCO is
celebrating its 60th anniversary over 60 weeks, with each week devoted to a theme. The week of 30 January-4 February is dedicated to secondary and vocational education. In many countries, progress towards universal primary education is sharply increasing the demand for secondary education. This is creating unprecedented challenges of transition from primary to secondary levels of education for about one billion adolescents worldwide. UNESCO is helping countries by approach focuses on strategies for increasing the primary to secondary transition and improving the quality and relevance of secondary education. :: How many children in Africa reach secondary education? (PDF) Read the Factsheet prepared by the UNESCO Institute for Statistics (UIS) on secondary education in Africa. :: Secondary Education at UNESCO Learn more about what UNESCO is doing in the field of Secondary Education. :: Secondary and Vocational Education Brief from UNESCO's Bureau of Public
Information (PDF) A growing number of young people have access to secondary education. This rise in demand requires urgent measures to increase opportunities, to diversify subject matter and to re-evaluate technical and professional training. :: Technical and vocational education under scrutiny Find out how UNESCO assists governments to provide education that prepares young people for the world of work. :: Vocational Education: The Come-back? Education specialists tend to prescribe technical and vocational education and training as a recipe for jobs for young people. But experiences around the world tend to show that this is not always the case, reports Education Today.
:: NEWS :: 31/01/2006 (UNESCO) - Inclusive education workshop for French teachers (1 February) :: 30/01/2006 (UIS) - Just Published: Factsheet on Secondary Education in Africa :: 26/01/2006 (UNESCO) - New edition of Study Abroad 2006-2007 :: 26/01/2006 (UNESCO Nairobi) - Just published: Uganda Basic Education Quality Assurance Guide :: 26/01/2006 (UNESCO Bangkok) - Just Published: Towards Inclusive Education in the Pacific :: 24/01/2006 (UNESCO) - Education for All high on the agenda of special Executive Board Information Session (19 January) :: 23/01/2006 (UNESCO) - Just Published: Connect- UNESCO International Science, Technology and Environmental Education newsletter :: 23/01/2006 (UNESCO) - Education is focus of African Union Summit - More information on::UNESCO Education Portal ::Education Today Newsletter, October 2005 January 2006HIV AND AIDS EDUCATION: AN UNDER-EXPLOITED POTENTIAL Subscribe Unsubscribe ContactUmesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 20740 1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005
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Re: [Assam] Give-up Anti-India Approach
Assam and India are not synonymous. One should be able to talk about Assam by looking at pros and cons of its complete and currently subservient political association with India. Jugal -Original Message- From: Himendra Thakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:52:38 -0500 Subject: [Assam] Give-up Anti-India Approach Dear Mukul, You are right. I am really pausing to think why nobody is answering. But, what I wrote were not fantasies. Many years ago, I saw someone using the term Civilian Invasion by Bangladesh and got scared. Even when I posted there is NO GOD in Rik Veda there had been no response ! No curiosity !! I always write without personal attack, and without throwing adjectives on correspondents. I still appeal to you, as an old friend, to give up your anti-India approach. Who is this Baba Ramdeo, anyway ??? With the best, Himendra - Original Message - From: mc mahant To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:38 AM Subject: RE: [Assam] Civilian Invasion by Bangladesh Himen, Have you paused to think why nobody is replying to your fantasies? Could it be that they all think you offer nothing but garbage? Cool off! Maybe join Baba Ramdeo's Ashram at somewhere. Really! mm From: Himendra Thakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Dr. Khanindra Pathak [EMAIL PROTECTED],assam@assamnet.org, MANOJ KUMAR DAS [EMAIL PROTECTED],J Kalita [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] Civilian Invasion by Bangladesh Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:13:28 -0500 Dear Chandan, Since you have made comments about me that *** Actually you are something else! I have now my rights to ask you what you are. Please answer the following two questions: 1. Are you claiming Independence of Assam from India by living in the USA under the protection of your US Citizenship? 2. By living in the USA under the protection of your US Citizenship, are you helping Bangladesh in their Civilian Invasion of India where the immediate victim is Assam? Please reply to these questions with the courage of your convictions. I'll deal with your other points such 'khai-paat-folaa' ( ingrate) attitude towards the USA, etc., after I hear your straight answer to the above two questions. Best, Himendra - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Himendra Thakur ; assam@assamnet.org Cc: J Kalita ; MANOJ KUMAR DAS Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Hindus and Muslims are brothers Dear Himen-da, At 10:12 PM -0500 1/29/06, Himendra Thakur wrote: Dear Chandan, I am NOT a Muslim baiter --- I am opposed to INVADERS. *** Actually you are something else! It is unreal that you should go on with these patently absurd arguments and explanations. Tell you what Himen-da, if I were in your shoes, I would defend my bigoted views with the courage of my convictions instead of manufacturing such laughable excuses. By making an announcement that there is not a single Bangladeshi infiltrator in Assam,--- *** Not Saurav, not I nor anyone else in this forum have made such an assertion. Now you are resorting flagrant fabrications too. Besides it is a different issue that has NOTHING to do with your introductory assertions attempting to deny the citizenship of Muslims of India by branding them invaders six hundred plus years after the fact. That was where your bigotry and fascist attitudes showed in living colors. Saurav is justifying the infiltration of Bangladeshis on economics. *** That is another sleazy assertion. Saurav NEVER JUSTIFIED such a thing. He was merely attempting to explain the phenomenon to rebut your convoluted assertion that it is a grand Islamic conspiracy to breed the hordes of B'deshis so they can take over Assam. Every invasion has an economic aspect. Attack by Sultan Mamud prior to 1193 were all economic ... he wanted gold rom the Jain, Hindu and Buddhist temples in India. When the British came, they came for economic reason ... they even called it a profit-making East India Company. *** And what does that have to do with today's Muslims of India? O, by extension and implication, Assam's Muslim population? B'deshis have been sneaking into Assam for ECONOMIC survival, because there is land to be found. And what has your GoI, with its resources and constitutional duty of border protection done all these thirty years about it since the problem exacerbated? And when I asked you that question why could you NOT explain it? Oh I know you would blame it on the Nehru Dynasty as if it had nothing to do with being the Government of India. But that is the Hinduttwa folks' hang-up, alibi and that does not help Assam, does it? Anyway what did the NDA do anything other than fan the
Re: [Assam] Threat to the assamese
Santanu, That is not a correct characterization of what I said. I believe Assamese nationality or Assam's nationality is to a great extent based on a common language, lingua-franca shared by the people. If this is considered shallow, you should say France or Germany is a shallow nationality!! Religion, geography, shared history, shared form of government, shared economic issues and others play a role in formation of nationhood, but all the concerned people should be able to share their ideas, their thoughts, beliefs, their history, their plans and aspirations for the future through a lanaguage most call their mother tongue or otherwise, most understand. So, a means for communication is most important in sharing destiny, sharing a nationality. That was my point. I consider everyone who lives in Assam an Assamese, irrespective of language, ethnicity, religion, etc. They share their experiences of nationhood through a langauge that most understand in Assam, i.e., Assamese. Don't call me a chauvinist for repeating this self-evident truth. I believe a common language or two that co-exist well is a requirement for nationhood. If people cannot share their ideas, then the bond of nationhood or the bond of family cannot be formed and strengthened. Sharing is essential, and tell me language is not the sharing medium, what is? It's possible in a few hundred years from now, the people who inhabit Assam will communicate using another dominant tongue, say Hindi. But, I only can speculate what appelation they will use to describe themselves if this happens. And, another thing. As a current Assamese, doesn't one have the responsibility of thinking, writing about and trying to shape how the future would be? Or, you just leave it to whatever comes? Jugal -Original Message- From: Roy, Santanu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:13:07 -0600 Subject: RE: [Assam] Threat to the assamese Jugal: the inhabitants of Assam will not call themselves Assamese as we call ourselves today, they will call themselves Assamites or something else, based on the name of the land they occupy then, and not on based on the language they speak. I would welcome that day. Your characterization of the Assamese nationality as a linguistic identity is very shallow and not useful in the current political context. You probably don't regard anyone who does not speak the oxomiya langauage, as it is known today, as Assamese. I do. There are millions like me who have as much right to be Assamese as you do - based on the land they call their own. And mercifully they do not need the acquiescence of the linguistic Assamese to call themselves that way. Santanu. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 1/29/2006 5:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Roy, Santanu; assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] Threat to the assamese I would like to counter Santanu's position. Jodihe Oxomiya bhaxa naikia hoy, tente Oxomiya jati aru nai. Gotike, if someone defends the society in Assam a few hundred years from now in an environment where Assamese as a language doesn't exist, then they are defending a new jati, a new populace. It's like if you look at North Dakota or South Dakota in the USA of today; the white Americans (majority in these states is Caucasian), they call themselves as being North Dakotan or South Dakotan, or in a generalized manner a Dakota! However, they are not the Dakota or the Lakota any more, the Dakota or the Lakota has almost ceased to exist. If the Assamese language is lost (and languages are disappearing from this world faster than you can imagine, especially if they have lost royal or governmentally supported national language status), the inhabitants of Assam will not call themselves Assamese as we call ourselves today, they will call themselves Assamites or something else, based on the name of the land they occupy then, and not on based on the language they speak. Jugal -Original Message- From: xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Roy, Santanu [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:44:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Assam] Threat to the assamese Roy, Santanu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saurav: I understand. But quite apart from the context in which this discussion arose - let us for a moment suppose that Bihu simply degenerates into a holiday - an excuse for urban young people to get drunk, play hindi music etc. In the extreme, lets suppose it simply disappears - no memory whatsover. For that matter lets suppose, all of the traditional festivals of all the people disappear. Would it imply that the people have lost themselves? Or that society has simply evolved that new festivals and new traditions grounded in the current social reality of the people have emerged. And in that changed reality, there will be a new perception of the people about their past
Re: [Assam] Look What I Found
If the top public servants believe in Gandhian ideals (which they exploit to their advantage), they must stop this tit-for-tat game. If thefinal question boils down to whether GOI believes in Gandhian principle or not, then the answer will be NO. I don't think anybody in Indiais practicing Gandhian principle. Like any other 'civilized' country, (USA, UK, and all others) India is practicing a tit-for-tat policy. It is a game of Crime and Punishment. Now the question is should we justcompare ULFA to Subhas Bose and Phizo all the way, and leave for GOI to practise Gandhian principle? And as Chandan has clarified the issue, GOI will not be THE looser. We can speak and talk and talk and cry. GOI will not be THE looser. What should we do? RB - Original Message - From: Ram Sarangapani To: Chan Mahanta Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Look What I Found C'da, By and large one can agree with him, thoughone thing I found wrong with Lohit da's letter is Indian Government must show more maturity (than the ULFA, whom it often refers to as ULFAboys), Well, you and I know, its only people like MRG who lovingly refer to them as 'our boys'. I doubt if there is any love lost between the GOI and ULFA :) --Ram On 1/31/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I visited the AT Letters, one of which Ram posted this morning andfound another Markhowa's letter--from none other than Lohit DB of Houston:A very mature letter. A man after my own heart :-).Enjoy!cm**Governor's remarkSir,- Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. However, as a Governor he does not show statesmanship. As a General, he only seemsto know violence, war, and killing. Peace and prosperity requirenegotiation to understand and settle the differences. "An eye for aneye makes the whole world go blind".The Governor of Assam expects ULFA to surrender first. If ULFA trulybelieves (rightfully or wrongfully) that India is an occupying force,why would they surrender? Did Naga leader Phizo ever surrender? Would Subhas Bose have surrendered to the British? Indian Government mustshow more maturity (than the ULFA, whom it often refers to as ULFAboys), get over its ego, and start a dialogue with sincerity. If thetop public servants believe in Gandhian ideals (which they exploit to their advantage), they must stop this tit-for-tat game.Assam and the Assamese people need a permanent and acceptablesolution with dignity, honour, and autonomy that it had enjoyed priorto the British Raj and subsequent Independence from the British. -Yours etc., LOHIT DATTA BARUA, Humble, Texas, USA. ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question
"*** I don't 'CLAIM independence for Assam', whatever that means. But as a well-wisher of Assam I DO INDEED support Assam's sovereignty aspirations " - Chandan: I am an US citizen, as you know. Thus it will be absurd for me to go 'CLAIM independence for Assam'. That would be elementary, wouldn't you think? - Chandan If ULFA truly believes (rightfully or wrongfully) that India is an occupying force, why would they surrender? Did Naga leader Phizo ever surrender? Would Subhas Bose have surrendered to the British? - LDB A very mature letter. A man after my own heart :-). - Chandan I have heard of all kinds of excuses people hold out why independence is scary for them, but never heard of this boogie you brought out. Chandan Somehow theabove comments bring to my mind as if some of usare trying to support ULFA theway one would support "Charge of the Light Brigade" from a distance. We can always support such aspirirations, and in fact inspire such aspirationsfrom the comfort of America Armchair, because we have nothing to loose. I would rather commentthe same way as Chandan did to Hemenda. "And coming from someone like yourself, who probably claimed US citizenship with a mere five or so years in the country, enjoying the benefits and protections of a secular society with a rule of law,it is that much more unbecoming, hypocritical" Morally I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed as of Subas Bose and Phizo. Morally I would have to join them if I believe what they believe. RB ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question
Title: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question Morally I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed as of Subas Bose and Phizo. *** That is NOT morality. That is called expediency! That damned English language again!!! At 12:30 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: *** I don't 'CLAIM independence for Assam', whatever that means. But as a well-wisher of Assam I DO INDEED support Assam's sovereignty aspirations - Chandan: I am an US citizen, as you know. Thus it will be absurd for me to go 'CLAIM independence for Assam'. That would be elementary, wouldn't you think? - Chandan If ULFA truly believes (rightfully or wrongfully) that India is an occupying force, why would they surrender? Did Naga leader Phizo ever surrender? Would Subhas Bose have surrendered to the British? - LDB A very mature letter. A man after my own heart :-). - Chandan I have heard of all kinds of excuses people hold out why independence is scary for them, but never heard of this boogie you brought out. Chandan Somehow theabove comments bring to my mind as if some of usare trying to support ULFA theway one would support Charge of the Light Brigade from a distance. We can always support such aspirirations, and in fact inspire such aspirationsfrom the comfort of America Armchair, because we have nothing to loose. I would rather commentthe same way as Chandan did to Hemenda. And coming from someone like yourself, who probably claimed US citizenship with a mere five or so years in the country, enjoying the benefits and protections of a secular society with a rule of law,it is that much more unbecoming, hypocritical Morally I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed as of Subas Bose and Phizo. Morally I would have to join them if I believe what they believe. RB ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question
Title: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question When one asks someone else to die for something one believe, that becomes a question of morality, question of ethics, not of expediency. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question Morally I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed as of Subas Bose and Phizo. *** That is NOT morality. That is called expediency! That damned English language again!!! At 12:30 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: "*** I don't 'CLAIM independence for Assam', whatever that means. But as a well-wisher of Assam I DO INDEED support Assam's sovereignty aspirations " - Chandan: I am an US citizen, as you know. Thus it will be absurd for me to go 'CLAIM independence for Assam'. That would be elementary, wouldn't you think? - Chandan If ULFA truly believes (rightfully or wrongfully) that India is an occupying force, why would they surrender? Did Naga leader Phizo ever surrender? WouldSubhas Bose have surrendered to the British? - LDB A very mature letter. A man after my own heart :-). - Chandan I have heard of all kinds of excuses people hold out why independence is scary for them, but never heard of this boogie you brought out. Chandan Somehow theabove comments bring to my mind as if some of usare trying to support ULFA theway one would support "Charge of the Light Brigade" from a distance. We can always support such aspirirations, and in fact inspire such aspirationsfrom the comfort of America Armchair, because we have nothing to loose. I would rather commentthe same way as Chandan did to Hemenda. "And coming from someone like yourself, who probably claimed US citizenship with a mere five or so years in the country, enjoying the benefits and protections of a secular society with a rule of law,it is that much more unbecoming, hypocritical" Morally I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed as of Subas Bose and Phizo. Morally I would have to join them if I believe what they believe. RB ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question
Title: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question When one asks someone else to die for something one believe, that becomes a question of morality, question of ethics, not of expediency. *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. But if they are dying for THEIR cause, the least I could do is give them MORAL support if not material and moral both, instead of sticking a wet finger into the air to see which way the wind is blowing, before I decide whether to support them or to damn them; as in : I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed . What did not get said, but could be clearly inferred, is :'--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' You could not explain the direction of your MORAL COMPASS more clearly! No doubt it was an accidental disclosure, but the sub-conscious showed up loud and clear Rajen. Hai bidhata ! c At 12:54 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: When one asks someone else to die for something one believe, that becomes a question of morality, question of ethics, not of expediency. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question Morally I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed as of Subas Bose and Phizo. *** That is NOT morality. That is called expediency! That damned English language again!!! At 12:30 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: *** I don't 'CLAIM independence for Assam', whatever that means. But as a well-wisher of Assam I DO INDEED support Assam's sovereignty aspirations - Chandan: I am an US citizen, as you know. Thus it will be absurd for me to go 'CLAIM independence for Assam'. That would be elementary, wouldn't you think? - Chandan If ULFA truly believes (rightfully or wrongfully) that India is an occupying force, why would they surrender? Did Naga leader Phizo ever surrender? Would Subhas Bose have surrendered to the British? - LDB A very mature letter. A man after my own heart :-). - Chandan I have heard of all kinds of excuses people hold out why independence is scary for them, but never heard of this boogie you brought out. Chandan Somehow theabove comments bring to my mind as if some of usare trying to support ULFA theway one would support Charge of the Light Brigade from a distance. We can always support such aspirirations, and in fact inspire such aspirationsfrom the comfort of America Armchair, because we have nothing to loose. I would rather commentthe same way as Chandan did to Hemenda. And coming from someone like yourself, who probably claimed US citizenship with a mere five or so years in the country, enjoying the benefits and protections of a secular society with a rule of law,it is that much more unbecoming, hypocritical Morally I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed as of Subas Bose and Phizo. Morally I would have to join them if I believe what they believe. RB ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Sentinel News
Title: Sentinel News Mob fury? 'Army atrocities' How about people outraged by military repression and brutality ? Is this the same 'people' who don't care about ULFA like someone asserted the other day :-)? cm Mob fury at Jerai Gaon NH, rail blocked over 'Army atrocities' >From our Reporter TINSUKIA, Jan 31: Two days after the Army resorted to its 'hit and crush' policy in and around the Jerai Gaon area, the ancestral home to ULFA 'C-in-C' Paresh Barua, under Chabua police station in Dibrugarh district, thousands of villagers today took to the streets blocking the NH 37 and the Tinsukia-Dibrugarh rail route near Kanjikhowa for over six hours protesting against, what they called, atrocities committed on them by the Army. The agitating villagers burnt the effigies of Governor Lt Gen (retd) Ajai Singh, Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi and local MLA Raju Sahu shouting slogans like Tarun Gogoi murdabad, Ajai Singh murdabad and Go back Army. The protesters also demanded immediate release of the two youths who were picked up by the Army on Monday. The 4th Jat Regiment had launched a massive man hunt in the areas engulfing Jerai Gaon, Mohkorah and Karuapathar under Chabua police station since Sunday. ADC Shamser Singh and ASP Pradip Kar, who had rushed to the place soon after the protesters came to the streets, failed to pacify the mob. The duo then left for the Army camp at Laipuli here. It was only after they returned at around 5 p.m. and assured the gathering that the arrested youths would handed over to police that the mob dispersed. Earlier Lakhimpur MP Arun Sarma visited the agitating villagers and assured all possible help. Dibrugarh MP Sarbananda Sonowal, who is in New Delhi, is understood to have called up Bimal Julka, Joint Secretary, North-Eastern Operation of Army regarding the matter. Informed sources said that Sonowal has sought a report from the ADG (operation), Mukesh Sabrawal besides discussing the matter with Chief Secretary S Kabilan and Home Secretary Rajiv Bora. Talking to mediapersons over phone from New Delhi, Sonowal feared that the Army operations might throw a spanner in the on-going peace process with the ULFA. Significantly, local MLA Raju Sahu was conspicuous by his absence from the scene. A late night report said that the two youths, who had been picked up by the Army yesterday, were handed over to Chabua police late this evening. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question
Title: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. That is what supporting ULFA means. You are supporting from the comfort of the American Armchair because they are dying anyway. But if they are dying for THEIR cause, the least I could do is give them MORAL support Moral support to die because they are dying anyway? By saying they will go to heaven? Support a dying person by providing a Brahmin priest? Or you are trying to make them immortal? But as LDB has indicated, their cause may be WRONG. How do you make one immortal who die for a wrong cause? '--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' It is a question whole Assam has been asking ULFA. Show us the beef. Are you Lasit or you are playing games with people of Assam? Are you real or are flirting with the name of 'sovereignty' and making money for yourself? RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question When one asks someone else to die for something one believe, that becomes a question of morality, question of ethics, not of expediency. *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. But if they are dying for THEIR cause, the least I could do is give them MORAL support if not material and moral both, instead of sticking a wet finger into the air to see which way the wind is blowing, before I decide whether to support them or to damn them; as in : I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed . What did not get said, but could be clearly inferred, is :'--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' You could not explain the direction of your MORAL COMPASS more clearly! No doubt it was an accidental disclosure, but the sub-conscious showed up loud and clear Rajen. Hai bidhata ! c At 12:54 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: When one asks someone else to die for something one believe, that becomes a question of morality, question of ethics, not of expediency. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question Morally I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed as of Subas Bose and Phizo. *** That is NOT morality. That is called expediency! That damned English language again!!! At 12:30 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: "*** I don't 'CLAIM independence for Assam', whatever that means. But as a well-wisher of Assam I DO INDEED support Assam's sovereignty aspirations " - Chandan: I am an US citizen, as you know. Thus it will be absurd for me to go 'CLAIM independence for Assam'. That would be elementary, wouldn't you think? - Chandan If ULFA truly believes (rightfully or wrongfully) that India is an occupying force, why would they surrender? Did Naga leader Phizo ever surrender? WouldSubhas Bose have surrendered to the British? - LDB A very mature letter. A man after my own heart :-). - Chandan I have heard of all kinds of excuses people hold out why independence is scary for them, but never heard of this boogie you brought out. Chandan Somehow theabove comments bring to my mind as if some of usare trying to support ULFA theway one would support "Charge of the Light Brigade" from a distance. We can always support such aspirirations, and in fact inspire such aspirationsfrom the comfort of America Armchair, because we have nothing to loose. I would rather commentthe same way as Chandan did to Hemenda. "And coming from someone like yourself, who probably claimed US citizenship with a mere five or so years in the country, enjoying the benefits and protections of a secular society with a rule of law,it is that much more unbecoming, hypocritical" Morally I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed as of Subas Bose and Phizo. Morally I would have to join them if I believe what they believe. RB ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Another Scam?
When I read that this morning, I felt the same way. I went to their website - seems up up. What made me hesitate though was the following: The Phoenix-based university, which has set up four learning centres here in association with the KK Modi Group and The Higher Learning Commission – North Central Association, accredits the programmes delivered in India the US Embassy here has certified. I guess the Modi group is a biggie and the certification from the US Embassy! But you are right - I say Beware, applicants from Assam. Please research well before you put your hard earned money in it. --Ram On 1/31/06, Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who has heard of Western International University (WIU)? Is it one of those mail order universities? Phoenix based? Phoenix, Arizona? Looks like a scam to me. Applicants from Assam, Beware. Guwahati, Tuesday, January 31, 2006 US institute may set up centre in cityFrom Our Staff CorrespondentNEW DELHI, Jan 30 – Rush of students from the Northeast has led the Western International University (WIU), an accredited US university which has a tie-up with Modi Apollo International Institute (MAII), to contemplate setting up of shop in Guwahati. The Phoenix-based university, which has set up four learning centres here in association with the KK Modi Group, has been overwhelmed by the response from the region. The institute has during the last four years had about 750 students. The WIU offers Bachelor and Master Degree programmes in management. Said chief executive officer Charu Modi Bhartia, what made the WIU unique was, getting an American degree in India at just one-tenth of the cost of studying in US. Students of WIU at the learning centres in India are granted degrees directly by WIU, US and have the academic and professional standing as students who complete their degrees from US. The Higher Learning Commission – North Central Association, accredits the programmes delivered in India the US Embassy here has certified.The Embassy has further endorsed that WIU student who complete their degrees in India at WIU would have the same academic and professional standing as students who complete their degrees from US in terms of progression to higher qualifications and the job opportunities in the US. The CEO said that the students also have the option of doing part of the course in India and part in US, though the cost goes up much higher. The cost of Bachelor Degree in India is around Rs 1.30 lakh per annum while in US it is around $10,553. A MBA course with WIU in India cost about Rs 2.33 lakh and in US the same course cost about $15360 per year.The CEO said that they were planning to set up an information centre in Guwahati shortly. Looking at the huge potential, there is a possibility of setting up a learning centre in the region, as well, she said. A team from the institute is currently touring the Northeast and is scheduled to visit various places, including Tezpur (February 2-5), Guwahati (February 6-12), Shillong (February 13-16), Aizawl (February 17-21), she revealed. ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question
Title: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. That is what supporting ULFA means. *** It does? I learn something everyday. Moral support to die because they are dying anyway? *** No because I believe in their pursuit of being the masters of their own fate. By saying they will go to heaven? *** You take a guess on that. Or you are trying to make them immortal? *** No, bravery becomes immortal by itself--because people look up to it. Bravery is defined by a will to fight or struggle against overwhelming odds for an honorable cause ( as in the pursuit of independence), at great risk to oneself. Support a dying person by providing a Brahmin priest? Not a chance! Buddhist will be it. But as LDB has indicated, their cause may be WRONG. *** He also said it may be right. He just did not take a position on the matter. Does not necessarily mean he does not have a position on it. He just was not about to FOCUS or dwell on that aspect at the moment. It is what is called a manner of speech, and not meant for taking one part of it aside for childish, semantic manipulation. How do you make one immortal who die for a wrong cause? *** You figure that out. I gave you all the clues you need. '--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' *** We got that, loud and clear. That is RB's kind of morality. It is a question whole Assam has been asking ULFA. *** What does that have to do with the PRINCIPLE of the matter? Show us the beef. *** You can't eat it and have it too. Are you Lasit or you are playing games with people of Assam? *** I am Sondon. I don't have an identity crisis. Have no aspirations of being named a Barphukan, like Badan either. Are you real or are flirting-- Yes I am real. But my flirting days are long over. -- with the name of 'sovereignty' and making money for yourself? That is NOT for ME to say and for YOU to figure out! Oh, one more thing: Yes, I do play with SOME people's minds. But they are mostly in the US. And they deserve to be played with. Now will you explain YOUR morality? At 1:44 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. That is what supporting ULFA means. You are supporting from the comfort of the American Armchair because they are dying anyway. But if they are dying for THEIR cause, the least I could do is give them MORAL support Moral support to die because they are dying anyway? By saying they will go to heaven? Support a dying person by providing a Brahmin priest? Or you are trying to make them immortal? But as LDB has indicated, their cause may be WRONG. How do you make one immortal who die for a wrong cause? '--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' It is a question whole Assam has been asking ULFA. Show us the beef. Are you Lasit or you are playing games with people of Assam? Are you real or are flirting with the name of 'sovereignty' and making money for yourself? RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question When one asks someone else to die for something one believe, that becomes a question of morality, question of ethics, not of expediency. *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. But if they are dying for THEIR cause, the least I could do is give them MORAL support if not material and moral both, instead of sticking a wet finger into the air to see which way the wind is blowing, before I decide whether to support them or to damn them; as in : I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed . What did not get said, but could be clearly inferred, is :'--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' You could not explain the direction of your MORAL COMPASS more clearly! No doubt it was an accidental disclosure, but the sub-conscious showed up loud and clear Rajen. Hai bidhata ! c At 12:54 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: When one asks someone else to die for something one believe, that becomes a question of morality, question of ethics, not of expediency. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question Morally I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed as of Subas Bose and Phizo. *** That is NOT morality. That is called expediency! That damned English language again!!! At 12:30 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: *** I don't 'CLAIM independence for Assam', whatever that means. But as a well-wisher of Assam I DO INDEED support Assam's sovereignty aspirations - Chandan: I am an US citizen, as you know.
Re: [Assam] Another Scam?
Title: Re: [Assam] Another Scam? I agree with both Dilip and Ram's suspicions. the US Embassy here has certified. *** This smells big time! US Embassy does NOT go about CERTIFYING educational institutions. Maybe someone will take it up with the US embassy or consular offices. At 1:48 PM -0600 1/31/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: When I read that this morning, I felt the same way. I went to their website - seems up up. What made me hesitate though was the following: The Phoenix-based university, which has set up four learning centres here in association with the KK Modi Group and The Higher Learning Commission - North Central Association, accredits the programmes delivered in India the US Embassy here has certified. I guess the Modi group is a biggie and the certification from the US Embassy! But you are right - I say Beware, applicants from Assam. Please research well before you put your hard earned money in it. --Ram On 1/31/06, Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who has heard of Western International University (WIU)? Is it one of those mail order universities? Phoenix based? Phoenix, Arizona? Looks like a scam to me. Applicants from Assam, Beware. Guwahati, Tuesday, January 31, 2006 US institute may set up centre in city From Our Staff Correspondent NEW DELHI, Jan 30 - Rush of students from the Northeast has led the Western International University (WIU), an accredited US university which has a tie-up with Modi Apollo International Institute (MAII), to contemplate setting up of shop in Guwahati. The Phoenix-based university, which has set up four learning centres here in association with the KK Modi Group, has been overwhelmed by the response from the region. The institute has during the last four years had about 750 students. The WIU offers Bachelor and Master Degree programmes in management. Said chief executive officer Charu Modi Bhartia, what made the WIU unique was, getting an American degree in India at just one-tenth of the cost of studying in US. Students of WIU at the learning centres in India are granted degrees directly by WIU, US and have the academic and professional standing as students who complete their degrees from US. The Higher Learning Commission - North Central Association, accredits the programmes delivered in India the US Embassy here has certified. The Embassy has further endorsed that WIU student who complete their degrees in India at WIU would have the same academic and professional standing as students who complete their degrees from US in terms of progression to higher qualifications and the job opportunities in the US. The CEO said that the students also have the option of doing part of the course in India and part in US, though the cost goes up much higher. The cost of Bachelor Degree in India is around Rs 1.30 lakh per annum while in US it is around $10,553. A MBA course with WIU in India cost about Rs 2.33 lakh and in US the same course cost about $15360 per year. The CEO said that they were planning to set up an information centre in Guwahati shortly. Looking at the huge potential, there is a possibility of setting up a learning centre in the region, as well, she said. A team from the institute is currently touring the Northeast and is scheduled to visit various places, including Tezpur (February 2-5), Guwahati (February 6-12), Shillong (February 13-16), Aizawl (February 17-21), she revealed. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Hamas sweeps to election victory
Dear Mike Recently I read a reply from an editor of an English daily. I do not remember the exact words he employed; I only remember the gist. What he said was that the media are open to criticism and they deal with it as expedient. The newspapers provide a service. People do not realise how much we owe to them. As regards The Times' reporter, he was probably a sub-editor who wrote the piece using the material placed on his desk from the tapes. I think he did a marvellous job. I was only the messenger. You can say anything you like; that is your considered view and you are fully entitled to the same. Regards Bhuban ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Another Scam?
Here is the website to this school http://www.wiu-information.com/programs.jsp Maybe some netter with links to educational institutions/research can give us more info regarding this school's accredition and value of it education. It will be very sad if a whole of young, aspiring students get conned. I think they do provide the degrees, but have no clue as to their values? --Ram On 1/31/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with both Dilip and Ram's suspicions. the US Embassy here has certified. *** This smells big time! US Embassy does NOT go about CERTIFYING educational institutions. Maybe someone will take it up with the US embassy or consular offices. At 1:48 PM -0600 1/31/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: When I read that this morning, I felt the same way. I went to their website - seems up up. What made me hesitate though was the following: The Phoenix-based university, which has set up four learning centres here in association with the KK Modi Group and The Higher Learning Commission - North Central Association, accredits the programmes delivered in India the US Embassy here has certified. I guess the Modi group is a biggie and the certification from the US Embassy! But you are right - I say Beware, applicants from Assam. Please research well before you put your hard earned money in it. --Ram On 1/31/06, Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who has heard of Western International University (WIU)? Is it one of those mail order universities? Phoenix based? Phoenix, Arizona? Looks like a scam to me. Applicants from Assam, Beware. Guwahati, Tuesday, January 31, 2006 US institute may set up centre in cityFrom Our Staff CorrespondentNEW DELHI, Jan 30 - Rush of students from the Northeast has led the Western International University (WIU), an accredited US university which has a tie-up with Modi Apollo International Institute (MAII), to contemplate setting up of shop in Guwahati. The Phoenix-based university, which has set up four learning centres here in association with the KK Modi Group, has been overwhelmed by the response from the region. The institute has during the last four years had about 750 students. The WIU offers Bachelor and Master Degree programmes in management. Said chief executive officer Charu Modi Bhartia, what made the WIU unique was, getting an American degree in India at just one-tenth of the cost of studying in US. Students of WIU at the learning centres in India are granted degrees directly by WIU, US and have the academic and professional standing as students who complete their degrees from US. The Higher Learning Commission - North Central Association, accredits the programmes delivered in India the US Embassy here has certified.The Embassy has further endorsed that WIU student who complete their degrees in India at WIU would have the same academic and professional standing as students who complete their degrees from US in terms of progression to higher qualifications and the job opportunities in the US. The CEO said that the students also have the option of doing part of the course in India and part in US, though the cost goes up much higher. The cost of Bachelor Degree in India is around Rs 1.30 lakh per annum while in US it is around $10,553. A MBA course with WIU in India cost about Rs 2.33 lakh and in US the same course cost about $15360 per year.The CEO said that they were planning to set up an information centre in Guwahati shortly. Looking at the huge potential, there is a possibility of setting up a learning centre in the region, as well, she said. A team from the institute is currently touring the Northeast and is scheduled to visit various places, including Tezpur (February 2-5), Guwahati (February 6-12), Shillong (February 13-16), Aizawl (February 17-21), she revealed. ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question
Title: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question *** No because I believe in their pursuit of being the masters of their own fate. And I support their dying for their believe? Being mastersof their own fate is one thing anddying in their pursuit of being the masters of their own fate is another, supporting from a distance in their dying while trying to be thethe masters of their own fate is another It sounds like saying, I believe in their going to heaven and having 1000 virgins in heaven. Go for it ULFA. Well worth dying for. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. That is what supporting ULFA means. *** It does? I learn something everyday. Moral support to die because they are dying anyway? *** No because I believe in their pursuit of being the masters of their own fate. By saying they will go to heaven? *** You take a guess on that. Or you are trying to make them immortal? *** No, bravery becomes immortal by itself--because people look up to it. Bravery is defined by a will to fight or struggle against overwhelming odds for an honorable cause ( as in the pursuit of independence), at great risk to oneself. Support a dying person by providing a Brahmin priest? Not a chance! Buddhist will be it. But as LDB has indicated, their cause may be WRONG. *** He also said it may be right. He just did not take a position on the matter. Does not necessarily mean he does not have a position on it. He just was not about to FOCUS or dwell on that aspect at the moment. It is what is called a manner of speech, and not meant for taking one part of it aside for childish, semantic manipulation. How do you make one immortal who die for a wrong cause? *** You figure that out. I gave you all the clues you need. '--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' *** We got that, loud and clear. That is RB's kind of morality. It is a question whole Assam has been asking ULFA. *** What does that have to do with the PRINCIPLE of the matter? Show us the beef. *** You can't eat it and have it too. Are you Lasit or you are playing games with people of Assam? *** I am Sondon. I don't have an identity crisis. Have no aspirations of being named a Barphukan, like Badan either. Are you real or are flirting-- Yes I am real. But my flirting days are long over. -- with the name of 'sovereignty' and making money for yourself? That is NOT for ME to say and for YOU to figure out! Oh, one more thing: Yes, I do play with SOME people's minds. But they are mostly in the US. And they deserve to be played with. Now will you explain YOUR morality? At 1:44 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. That is what supporting ULFA means. You are supporting from the comfort of the American Armchair because they are dying anyway. But if they are dying for THEIR cause, the least I could do is give them MORAL support Moral support to die because they are dying anyway? By saying they will go to heaven? Support a dying person by providing a Brahmin priest? Or you are trying to make them immortal? But as LDB has indicated, their cause may be WRONG. How do you make one immortal who die for a wrong cause? '--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' It is a question whole Assam has been asking ULFA. Show us the beef. Are you Lasit or you are playing games with people of Assam? Are you real or are flirting with the name of 'sovereignty' and making money for yourself? RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question When one asks someone else to die for something one believe, that becomes a question of morality, question of ethics, not of expediency. *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. But if they are dying for THEIR cause, the least I could do is give them MORAL support if not material and moral both, instead of sticking a wet finger into the air to see which way the wind is blowing, before I decide whether to support them or to damn them; as in : I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their
Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question
Title: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question an honorable cause Which may be the WRONG cause as indicated by LDB. Or well worth supporting from a distance?. It is their country, their cause. What I have to loose?. I am US Citizen, as you know. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. That is what supporting ULFA means. *** It does? I learn something everyday. Moral support to die because they are dying anyway? *** No because I believe in their pursuit of being the masters of their own fate. By saying they will go to heaven? *** You take a guess on that. Or you are trying to make them immortal? *** No, bravery becomes immortal by itself--because people look up to it. Bravery is defined by a will to fight or struggle against overwhelming odds for an honorable cause ( as in the pursuit of independence), at great risk to oneself. Support a dying person by providing a Brahmin priest? Not a chance! Buddhist will be it. But as LDB has indicated, their cause may be WRONG. *** He also said it may be right. He just did not take a position on the matter. Does not necessarily mean he does not have a position on it. He just was not about to FOCUS or dwell on that aspect at the moment. It is what is called a manner of speech, and not meant for taking one part of it aside for childish, semantic manipulation. How do you make one immortal who die for a wrong cause? *** You figure that out. I gave you all the clues you need. '--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' *** We got that, loud and clear. That is RB's kind of morality. It is a question whole Assam has been asking ULFA. *** What does that have to do with the PRINCIPLE of the matter? Show us the beef. *** You can't eat it and have it too. Are you Lasit or you are playing games with people of Assam? *** I am Sondon. I don't have an identity crisis. Have no aspirations of being named a Barphukan, like Badan either. Are you real or are flirting-- Yes I am real. But my flirting days are long over. -- with the name of 'sovereignty' and making money for yourself? That is NOT for ME to say and for YOU to figure out! Oh, one more thing: Yes, I do play with SOME people's minds. But they are mostly in the US. And they deserve to be played with. Now will you explain YOUR morality? At 1:44 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. That is what supporting ULFA means. You are supporting from the comfort of the American Armchair because they are dying anyway. But if they are dying for THEIR cause, the least I could do is give them MORAL support Moral support to die because they are dying anyway? By saying they will go to heaven? Support a dying person by providing a Brahmin priest? Or you are trying to make them immortal? But as LDB has indicated, their cause may be WRONG. How do you make one immortal who die for a wrong cause? '--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' It is a question whole Assam has been asking ULFA. Show us the beef. Are you Lasit or you are playing games with people of Assam? Are you real or are flirting with the name of 'sovereignty' and making money for yourself? RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question When one asks someone else to die for something one believe, that becomes a question of morality, question of ethics, not of expediency. *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. But if they are dying for THEIR cause, the least I could do is give them MORAL support if not material and moral both, instead of sticking a wet finger into the air to see which way the wind is blowing, before I decide whether to support them or to damn them; as in : I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed What did not get said, but could be clearly inferred, is :'--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' You could not explain the direction of your MORAL COMPASS more clearly! No doubt it was an accidental disclosure,
Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question
Title: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question PHOOLOSOPHY! At 2:42 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: *** No because I believe in their pursuit of being the masters of their own fate. And I support their dying for their believe? Being mastersof their own fate is one thing anddying in their pursuit of being the masters of their own fate is another, supporting from a distance in their dying while trying to be thethe masters of their own fate is another It sounds like saying, I believe in their going to heaven and having 1000 virgins in heaven. Go for it ULFA. Well worth dying for. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. That is what supporting ULFA means. *** It does? I learn something everyday. Moral support to die because they are dying anyway? *** No because I believe in their pursuit of being the masters of their own fate. By saying they will go to heaven? *** You take a guess on that. Or you are trying to make them immortal? *** No, bravery becomes immortal by itself--because people look up to it. Bravery is defined by a will to fight or struggle against overwhelming odds for an honorable cause ( as in the pursuit of independence), at great risk to oneself. Support a dying person by providing a Brahmin priest? Not a chance! Buddhist will be it. But as LDB has indicated, their cause may be WRONG. *** He also said it may be right. He just did not take a position on the matter. Does not necessarily mean he does not have a position on it. He just was not about to FOCUS or dwell on that aspect at the moment. It is what is called a manner of speech, and not meant for taking one part of it aside for childish, semantic manipulation. How do you make one immortal who die for a wrong cause? *** You figure that out. I gave you all the clues you need. '--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' *** We got that, loud and clear. That is RB's kind of morality. It is a question whole Assam has been asking ULFA. *** What does that have to do with the PRINCIPLE of the matter? Show us the beef. *** You can't eat it and have it too. Are you Lasit or you are playing games with people of Assam? *** I am Sondon. I don't have an identity crisis. Have no aspirations of being named a Barphukan, like Badan either. Are you real or are flirting-- Yes I am real. But my flirting days are long over. -- with the name of 'sovereignty' and making money for yourself? That is NOT for ME to say and for YOU to figure out! Oh, one more thing: Yes, I do play with SOME people's minds. But they are mostly in the US. And they deserve to be played with. Now will you explain YOUR morality? At 1:44 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. That is what supporting ULFA means. You are supporting from the comfort of the American Armchair because they are dying anyway. But if they are dying for THEIR cause, the least I could do is give them MORAL support Moral support to die because they are dying anyway? By saying they will go to heaven? Support a dying person by providing a Brahmin priest? Or you are trying to make them immortal? But as LDB has indicated, their cause may be WRONG. How do you make one immortal who die for a wrong cause? '--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' It is a question whole Assam has been asking ULFA. Show us the beef. Are you Lasit or you are playing games with people of Assam? Are you real or are flirting with the name of 'sovereignty' and making money for yourself? RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question When one asks someone else to die for something one believe, that becomes a question of morality, question of ethics, not of expediency. *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. But if they are dying for THEIR cause, the least I could do is give them MORAL support if not material and moral both, instead of sticking a wet finger into the air to see which way the wind is blowing, before I decide whether to support them or to damn them; as in : I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed What did not get said, but could be clearly inferred, is :'--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' You could not explain the direction of your MORAL COMPASS more clearly! No doubt it was an accidental disclosure, but the sub-conscious showed up loud and clear Rajen. Hai bidhata ! c At 12:54 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: When one asks someone else to die for something
Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question
Title: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question At 2:45 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: an honorable cause Which may be the WRONG cause as indicated by LDB. *** Lohit wrote: If ULFA truly believes (rightfully or wrongfully) that India is an occupying force, why would they surrender? It does not mean --may be the WRONG cause. That is grade school English! Or well worth supporting from a distance?. *** And why not? Is there a prohibition from some Buddhist school or some such thing of thought that it is sinful? Immoral? Is it an universal and/or self evident wrong or sin ? But there is a term for those who wait to to see which way the wind blows before they take a position: It goes Sucking up ( to those who may be on the winning side) and p---ing down( on the side perceived to be losing), a widely prevalent desi-trait! It is their country, their cause. What I have to loose?. *** Only if one is driven by a need to be on the winning side. I am US Citizen, as you know. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. That is what supporting ULFA means. *** It does? I learn something everyday. Moral support to die because they are dying anyway? *** No because I believe in their pursuit of being the masters of their own fate. By saying they will go to heaven? *** You take a guess on that. Or you are trying to make them immortal? *** No, bravery becomes immortal by itself--because people look up to it. Bravery is defined by a will to fight or struggle against overwhelming odds for an honorable cause ( as in the pursuit of independence), at great risk to oneself. Support a dying person by providing a Brahmin priest? Not a chance! Buddhist will be it. But as LDB has indicated, their cause may be WRONG. *** He also said it may be right. He just did not take a position on the matter. Does not necessarily mean he does not have a position on it. He just was not about to FOCUS or dwell on that aspect at the moment. It is what is called a manner of speech, and not meant for taking one part of it aside for childish, semantic manipulation. How do you make one immortal who die for a wrong cause? *** You figure that out. I gave you all the clues you need. '--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' *** We got that, loud and clear. That is RB's kind of morality. It is a question whole Assam has been asking ULFA. *** What does that have to do with the PRINCIPLE of the matter? Show us the beef. *** You can't eat it and have it too. Are you Lasit or you are playing games with people of Assam? *** I am Sondon. I don't have an identity crisis. Have no aspirations of being named a Barphukan, like Badan either. Are you real or are flirting-- Yes I am real. But my flirting days are long over. -- with the name of 'sovereignty' and making money for yourself? That is NOT for ME to say and for YOU to figure out! Oh, one more thing: Yes, I do play with SOME people's minds. But they are mostly in the US. And they deserve to be played with. Now will you explain YOUR morality? At 1:44 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. That is what supporting ULFA means. You are supporting from the comfort of the American Armchair because they are dying anyway. But if they are dying for THEIR cause, the least I could do is give them MORAL support Moral support to die because they are dying anyway? By saying they will go to heaven? Support a dying person by providing a Brahmin priest? Or you are trying to make them immortal? But as LDB has indicated, their cause may be WRONG. How do you make one immortal who die for a wrong cause? '--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' It is a question whole Assam has been asking ULFA. Show us the beef. Are you Lasit or you are playing games with people of Assam? Are you real or are flirting with the name of 'sovereignty' and making money for yourself? RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question When one asks someone else to die for something one believe, that becomes a question of morality, question of ethics, not of expediency. *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. But if they are dying for THEIR cause, the least I could do is give them MORAL support if not material and moral both, instead of sticking a wet finger into the air to see which way the wind is blowing, before I decide whether to support them or to damn them; as in : I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are
Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question
Title: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question At 3:19 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: But there is a term for those who wait to to see which way the wind blows before they take a position: When one supports from a distance, why is one to wait, brother? *** It was NOT me who would NOT support ULFA because they may NOT win as in the now immortalized quotes below: I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed . What did not get said, but could be clearly inferred, is :'--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' What gain one will have? *** You tell us! Are you thinking of giving up your US Citizenship for take up a post of Misinstry? *** I don't about the ministry, but I sure ain't into phoolosophy! RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question At 2:45 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: an honorable cause Which may be the WRONG cause as indicated by LDB. *** Lohit wrote: If ULFA truly believes (rightfully or wrongfully) that India is an occupying force, why would they surrender? It does not mean --may be the WRONG cause. That is grade school English! Or well worth supporting from a distance?. *** And why not? Is there a prohibition from some Buddhist school or some such thing of thought that it is sinful? Immoral? Is it an universal and/or self evident wrong or sin ? But there is a term for those who wait to to see which way the wind blows before they take a position: It goes Sucking up ( to those who may be on the winning side) and p---ing down( on the side perceived to be losing), a widely prevalent desi-trait! It is their country, their cause. What I have to loose?. *** Only if one is driven by a need to be on the winning side. I am US Citizen, as you know. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. That is what supporting ULFA means. *** It does? I learn something everyday. Moral support to die because they are dying anyway? *** No because I believe in their pursuit of being the masters of their own fate. By saying they will go to heaven? *** You take a guess on that. Or you are trying to make them immortal? *** No, bravery becomes immortal by itself--because people look up to it. Bravery is defined by a will to fight or struggle against overwhelming odds for an honorable cause ( as in the pursuit of independence), at great risk to oneself. Support a dying person by providing a Brahmin priest? Not a chance! Buddhist will be it. But as LDB has indicated, their cause may be WRONG. *** He also said it may be right. He just did not take a position on the matter. Does not necessarily mean he does not have a position on it. He just was not about to FOCUS or dwell on that aspect at the moment. It is what is called a manner of speech, and not meant for taking one part of it aside for childish, semantic manipulation. How do you make one immortal who die for a wrong cause? *** You figure that out. I gave you all the clues you need. '--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' *** We got that, loud and clear. That is RB's kind of morality. It is a question whole Assam has been asking ULFA. *** What does that have to do with the PRINCIPLE of the matter? Show us the beef. *** You can't eat it and have it too. Are you Lasit or you are playing games with people of Assam? *** I am Sondon. I don't have an identity crisis. Have no aspirations of being named a Barphukan, like Badan either. Are you real or are flirting-- Yes I am real. But my flirting days are long over. -- with the name of 'sovereignty' and making money for yourself? That is NOT for ME to say and for YOU to figure out! Oh, one more thing: Yes, I do play with SOME people's minds. But they are mostly in the US. And they deserve to be played with. Now will you explain YOUR morality? At 1:44 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. That is what supporting ULFA means. You are supporting from the comfort of the American Armchair because they are dying anyway. But if they are dying for THEIR cause, the least I could do is give them MORAL support Moral support to die because they are dying anyway? By saying they will go to heaven? Support a dying person by providing a Brahmin priest? Or you are trying to make them immortal? But as LDB has indicated, their cause may be WRONG. How do you make one immortal who die for a wrong cause? '--but I may
[Assam] Naga ceasefire extended -AFP
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060131/wl_sthasia_afp/indianortheastunresttalksthailand Why couldn't that bea pre-conditionfor the ULFA-GOI talks? Can't they talk peace with a ceasefire in effect or do peace talks have to be peppered with bullets, bombs and raidsflying around? ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Something to stare at
Will all the moral stuff floating around, I thought we could use a break and get absorbed in some silliness :) Pl. click on the link and stare http://www.patmedia.net/marklevinson/cool/cool_illusion.html ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question
Title: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed This means if I know somebody is doomed to die in their cause, I will not encourage by shouting Bravo Bravo from a distance like you are doing because you have nothing to loose from your AmericanArmchair. You even cannot claim 'independence' for Assam. You can simply shout Bravo Bravo to the doomed ULFA because you want to give moral support because they are dying anyway. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question At 3:19 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: But there is a term for those who wait to to see which way the wind blows before they take a position: When one supports from a distance, why is one to wait, brother? *** It was NOT me who would NOT support ULFA because they may NOT win as in the now immortalized quotes below: I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed . What did not get said, but could be clearly inferred, is :'--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to win' What gain one will have? *** You tell us! Are you thinking of giving up your US Citizenship for take up a post of Misinstry? *** I don't about the ministry, but I sure ain't into phoolosophy! RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question At 2:45 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: an honorable cause Which may be the WRONG cause as indicated by LDB. *** Lohit wrote: If ULFA truly believes (rightfully or wrongfully) that India is an occupying force, why would they surrender? It does not mean "--may be the WRONG cause". That is grade school English! Or well worth supporting from a distance?. *** And why not? Is there a prohibition from some Buddhist school or some such thing of thought that it is sinful? Immoral? Is it an universal and/or self evident wrong or sin ? But there is a term for those who wait to to see which way the wind blows before they take a position: It goes " Sucking up ( to those who may be on the winning side) and p---ing down( on the side perceived to be losing), a widely prevalent desi-trait!" It is their country, their cause. What I have to loose?. *** Only if one is driven by a need to be on the winning side. I am US Citizen, as you know. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question *** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for me. That is what supporting ULFA means. *** It does? I learn something everyday. Moral support to die because they are dying anyway? *** No because I believe in their pursuit of being the masters of their own fate. By saying they will go to heaven? *** You take a guess on that. Or you are trying to make them immortal? *** No, bravery becomes immortal by itself--because people look up to it. Bravery is defined by a will to fight or struggle against overwhelming odds for an honorable cause ( as in the pursuit of independence), at great risk to oneself. Support a dying person by providing a Brahmin priest? Not a chance! Buddhist will be it. But as LDB has indicated, their cause may be WRONG. *** He also said it may be right. He just did not take a position on the matter. Does not necessarily mean he does not have a position on it. He just was not about to FOCUS or dwell on that aspect at the moment. It is what is called a manner of speech, and not meant for taking one part of it aside for childish, semantic manipulation.
Re: [Assam] Something to stare at
I saw the green dot rotating but pink dots did not disappear for me. Does it mean I couldn't elevate myself to the level of the expected? "This should be proof enough, we don't always see what we think we see." - In my case, does it mean most of the time I see what I think I see?? In other words, I can be partially fooled but not all the way What does the psychologist from the Ozarks say? Dilip Deka Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will all the moral stuff floating around, I thought we could use a break and get absorbed in some silliness :)Pl. click on the link and starehttp://www.patmedia.net/marklevinson/cool/cool_illusion.html___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] For the Morally Superior of Assam Net
For the Morally Superior ( or conveniently so anyway) of Assam Net: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/10/28/1035683358581.html Whatever happened to those good old freedom fighters? October 29 2002 The media have rewritten the rules on the coverage of so-called terrorism, writes Gwynne Dyer. Rule one: When covering terrorist attacks, do not discuss the political context of the attacks or the terrorists' motives and strategy. Two generations of comic books and cartoons have accustomed the general audience to villains who are evil just for the sake of being evil - so, calling the terrorists evildoers will suffice as an explanation for most people. Rule two: All terrorist actions are part of the same problem. Thus you may treat this month's Bali bombing, the sniper attacks in Washington, and the hostage-taking in a Moscow theatre as all related to each other in some (unspecified) way, and write scare-mongering think-pieces about The October Crisis. Rule three: All terrorists are Islamic fanatics. On some occasions, as when Basque terrorists blow somebody up, it will be necessary to relax this rule slightly, but at the very least any terrorists with Muslim names should be treated as Islamist fanatics. No journalism school in the world teaches these rules, and they didn't exist two years ago. Yet most of the Western media now know them by heart. Consider, for example, the terrorist seizure of the theatre in Moscow last week that ended with the death of about 50 Chechen hostage-takers and more than 100 hostages. Two years ago, the media coverage of these events, even in Russia itself, would have given us a lot of background on why some Chechens have turned to such savage methods. Didn't see much of that last week, did we? Nothing about the long guerrilla struggle that Chechens waged against Russian imperial conquest 150 years ago. Nothing about the fact that Stalin deported the entire Chechen nation to Central Asia (where about half of them died) during World War II. Nothing about the fact that Chechnya declared independence peacefully in 1991 and that both the Chechen-Russian wars, in 1994 and 1999, began with a Russian attack. In fact, nothing to suggest that this conflict has specific local roots, or a history that goes back past last week. Instead, the terrorists were presented as pure evil, as free of logical motivation as the Penguin or the Joker in the Batman movies. Hardly anybody mentioned the fact that more than 4000 Russian soldiers and at least 12,000 Chechen terrorists (anybody resisting Russian occupation) have been killed since President Vladimir Putin sent the army back in to the Chechen republic in 1999. The Chechen men and women who seized the theatre have Muslim names, so they must be part of the worldwide network of Islamist fanatics who are driven by blind hatred to commit senseless massacres (or so it says in the script here). If you like being treated like an idiot child by your leaders and your media, you are living at the right time. The number of people hurt in terrorist attacks is far lower than in the '50s and '60s, when national liberation wars in countries from Algeria to Vietnam took a huge toll of civilian lives. It's not even as high as in the '70s and '80s, when a new wave of international terrorists bombed aircraft and even attacked the Olympics. But the world's leading media see the world through American eyes, so the attacks on the United States on September 11, 2001, have utterly distorted people's perceptions of the dangers of terrorism. In fact, the way terrorism is now being covered closely resembles domestic TV coverage of violent crime in the US, which has gone up 600 per cent in the past 15 years while the actual crime rate fell by 10 to 15 per cent (depending on the crime). It has enabled the Russian Government to smear the entire liberation struggle of the Chechens as terrorism, and Israel to do the same to the Palestinians. But the truth is that most of the struggles we (retrospectively) see as justified involved a good deal of terrorism at the time. The controversy that is now starting up about the tactics the Russian authorities used in freeing the Moscow hostages is just the media barking up the wrong tree as usual. The real question is whether Russia should be occupying Chechnya. But, in the present media environment, we will not hear much about that. So just to check out your sympathies, here is a list of conflicts in which the eventual victors made extensive use of terror (high-tech or low-tech): *RAF Bomber Command's campaign against German cities. *US nuclear weapons on Japanese cities. *The Zionist campaign to drive the British out of Palestine, 1946-48. *Algeria's independence struggle against France. *The Mau Mau rebellion against British rule in Kenya. *Vietnam's independence war against French and US forces. *Zimbabwe's liberation war against white
[Assam] Fwd: Re: Something to stare at
X-Originating-IP: [24.217.237.14] X-Originating-Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Tilok Hatimuria [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] Something to stare at Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:03:03 + X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2006 23:03:03.0385 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D416C90:01C626BA] O' So-kai, What does the psychologist from the Ozarks say? Deka-kaik kobo je tekhetor bit-soku ejwror dorkar hoise. Moi soku porikhya nokorw aaji-kali. Pise amar xei Wpor-Sokua Bezor taaleke jabole kobo. Jodi xeitw nware, tenehole bwnda-kesur rox olop soku dutat bhor-puwate logabole kobo. Dine ebar ke logalew hobo. Tholu aajile. Iti, Tilok _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Fwd: Re: Something to stare at
C'da, Could you ask our Tilok daktor about me also? I too am not seeing the circle right (I wear them glasses too). All I saw was the colors Red, Green,Yellow and a purple tint in some of the postings in Assamnet. Don't know how that could be - but there you have it. Some psychologist told mesome time ago, red means anger, green means jealousy, yella means bhoi (afraid), and the tint means always looking at things with colored glasses. I wonder if Dr. Tilok could advice me (and many others) what all this means. It will, you know, be a service to humanity. --Ram On 1/31/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: X-Originating-IP: [24.217.237.14]X-Originating-Email: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED]]X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: Tilok Hatimuria [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Something to stare at Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:03:03 +X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2006 23:03:03.0385 (UTC)FILETIME=[7D416C90:01C626BA]O' So-kai,What does the psychologist from the Ozarks say? Deka-kaik kobo je tekhetor bit-soku ejwror dorkar hoise. Moi sokuporikhya nokorw aaji-kali. Pise amarxei Wpor-Sokua Bezor taaleke jabole kobo.Jodi xeitw nware, tenehole bwnda-kesur rox olop soku dutat bhor-puwate logabole kobo. Dine ebar ke logalew hobo.Tholu aajile.Iti,Tilok_Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/___assam mailing list assam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] your opinion
Himen,Khanindra, Rajen ideal triangle. Should open an exclusive Net. mm From:Khanindra Pathak [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:your opinionDate:Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:34:46 +0530 Dear Jugal, How are you? I read a letter regarding your comment on Assam and India. Are you supporter of Liberated Assam? Present state of affairs of Assam is totally different than we left in 1978. Now Assam looks like captured by Bangladesh. Assam's fate will be apalling if it get liberated. Once Rafiqul sent me a link of a home page of Abhayapuri. The caption was new home for old refugees. Assam can win more by taking part and competing with Inians. I feel some of our patriotic boys are under captivity of some power and stay in foreign country like Bangladesh and proapgate anti Indian feelings amongst the emotional and myopic Assamese who lack binding unity unlike our Muslim brotheren from Bangladesh. Assam net should discuss more on what they have contributed for the welfare of North East and plan for direct involvemnet to supporting some sustainable project. People can do that by analysing personal, social and group ego. Regards, Khanin ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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Re: [Assam] some tricks in getting US H1B visas -other options/Assamese contractors
it is true that I may be in error and I may never be in time for the H1B or that there is to it than meets the eye but esperience is always useful. I may be able to advise guys and gals from areas other than India's tech centers - about seeking employment in US. Maybe some Assamese could become such "Body-shopper."I am ofcourse, applying to oversees jobs (which most H1B seekers donot do) and hope to return to US for a PhD as well - if other options do not work out. My overseas/non profit exp. seems crucial for getting intoa PhD or Ed.D.program - at Harvard or elsewhere.Umeshumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:http://in.rediff.com/getahead/2005/sep/14visa.htm Convert your F-1 student visa to H-IB work visaHi,US non-profits are rabidly afraid of seeking to hire foreign staff to work in Dc etc - esp after getting rebuffed many a times from US immigrant services INS - even when they seek intra-company transfers of their employees from over-sees offices. More so , after Sep 11. Maybe becos one of the examples given to me ws of a certain Mr Muhammad from Middle East/ Africa ( I don't remember clearly). So I am trying to identify a different route. It seems that also is a road well travelled. NOTE: For those in a hurry: just go to the bottom of the page - for tips and tricksWell, after I got the eye flu last week (eyelids got swollen 3 times their normal size - just minutes after I "seeing off" my NRI landlord fly out of Reagan Intl. Airport, across the river fromDC to Cochin, India on Kuwait Airlines ) - I devoted my time to using my other senses - mainly listening to Beatles and others on FM channel and racking my brains. Just a day before I had borrowed Rs 30,000 ($650 ) from my borther in India to meet the fund flow bottleneck while paying my student loan ($350 pm for 15 years)and rent ($400pm). Economics - means optimal utilization of ALL resources. I try to be a good economist - for my own good as well.I had been sincerely applying to jobs in non profits across the world - mainly East of US- to all posiitions -even Country Head ones-wherever French was not a requirement. US non-profit experience: Incidently, today I completed my one complete month of teaching 8 yearolds in US - from immigrant families - mostly Latinos and one Black. Most are from either poor or disrupted families.Atleast one has a behavior disorder,one's father is in jail for "hitting a girl - my mother" -as the boy said, one girl's mother needs an English-Spanish translater, another's US raised father is barely able to sign his name.Another breaks into tears in class becos he misses his father (Boys don't cry) who stays near his home but met him only on weekends (maybe family separated). I can say that I have met a group of students who represent "disadvantaged" term in thelexicon of US colleges of education. This gives me confidence. Ofcourse the Harvard tag adds to the work I do - it seems colleagues do give weight to that as well.Salary Experience for expat jobs: Complex situationI was wondering why not also try to work in US with some non-profit - and maybe take short trips when needed to developing countries. Unlike those who have not grown up in poor countires I do not need to get acclimatized to their environment to do policy or strategey related work. Further, only very senior positions are available in developing nations -which pay in dollars (even though even Country Heads of these Intl. NGOs draw pay less than that of a District School Superintendent in US) . The local citizen - field officers (FO) in some NGOs ( I saw their pay in www.devnetjobs.org ) in India pays less that what is designated in UN's goal - $2 per person per day(FO's pay = Rs5,000 pm or $120 pm or $4 per day - which feeds a family of four assuming) . Even if you discount the fact that costs are very low in field positions - I assume salaries would be higher in US for lower level positions - which most likely would be numerous. No wonder on the evening of graduation ceremony at Harvard while we were returning our capes and hoods and gowns at Harvard Coop. - one classmate from Silicon Valley area said that she is going back home and work as a school teacher in a local school - to get rich , build her home and raise children. And not seek jobs in development with non profits working in poor countries. US view of NGO posts in poor countries: She said that she had worked enough in development (she did a lot in Africa before the program ) -and perhaps becos she had recently got engaged to her boy friend doing his doctoral in a technical field at Stanford. Maybe she needed a Harvard tag to match his Stanford tech degree. This reasoning would gel with the trend in India -esp in Jaipur where many girls do MBAs or computer coursesjust to raise their marriage prospects or glam factor. Harvard grads called "H-Bombs", ofcourse have no match in that respect. Coming back to the issue of H1-B
Re: [Assam] some tricks in getting US H1B visas -NGO work etc
Umesh, Many of us have gone through some of these experiences. I like the fact that you do not hesitate to document them. I didn't think you would make it to the states, you did. I didn't think you'd survive the cultural shock, you did. I didn't think you'd remain in the US after completing your studies, you did. Keep at it, you'll succeed in getting a work permit and a green card if that is your goal. We didn't go through some of the struggles you are going through. So it is hard to empathize with you all the time. But I wish you success because of your perseverance. If you recall I wrote to keep you in the net when many others were asking for booting you out.I do not agree with many of your views but I know it takes all kinds to make this human race. Keep writing though I delete many of your postings. Dilipdaumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://in.rediff.com/getahead/2005/sep/14visa.htm Convert your F-1 student visa to H-IB work visaHi,US non-profits are rabidly afraid of seeking to hire foreign staff to work in Dc etc - esp after getting rebuffed many a times from US immigrant services INS - even when they seek intra-company transfers of their employees from over-sees offices. More so , after Sep 11. Maybe becos one of the examples given to me ws of a certain Mr Muhammad from Middle East/ Africa ( I don't remember clearly). So I am trying to identify a different route. It seems that also is a road well travelled. NOTE: For those in a hurry: just go to the bottom of the page - for tips and tricksWell, after I got the eye flu last week (eyelids got swollen 3 times their normal size - just minutes after I "seeing off" my NRI landlord fly out of Reagan Intl. Airport, across the river fromDC to Cochin, India on Kuwait Airlines ) - I devoted my time to using my other senses - mainly listening to Beatles and others on FM channel and racking my brains. Just a day before I had borrowed Rs 30,000 ($650 ) from my borther in India to meet the fund flow bottleneck while paying my student loan ($350 pm for 15 years)and rent ($400pm). Economics - means optimal utilization of ALL resources. I try to be a good economist - for my own good as well.I had been sincerely applying to jobs in non profits across the world - mainly East of US- to all posiitions -even Country Head ones-wherever French was not a requirement. US non-profit experience: Incidently, today I completed my one complete month of teaching 8 yearolds in US - from immigrant families - mostly Latinos and one Black. Most are from either poor or disrupted families.Atleast one has a behavior disorder,one's father is in jail for "hitting a girl - my mother" -as the boy said, one girl's mother needs an English-Spanish translater, another's US raised father is barely able to sign his name.Another breaks into tears in class becos he misses his father (Boys don't cry) who stays near his home but met him only on weekends (maybe family separated). I can say that I have met a group of students who represent "disadvantaged" term in thelexicon of US colleges of education. This gives me confidence. Ofcourse the Harvard tag adds to the work I do - it seems colleagues do give weight to that as well.Salary Experience for expat jobs: Complex situationI was wondering why not also try to work in US with some non-profit - and maybe take short trips when needed to developing countries. Unlike those who have not grown up in poor countires I do not need to get acclimatized to their environment to do policy or strategey related work. Further, only very senior positions are available in developing nations -which pay in dollars (even though even Country Heads of these Intl. NGOs draw pay less than that of a District School Superintendent in US) . The local citizen - field officers (FO) in some NGOs ( I saw their pay in www.devnetjobs.org ) in India pays less that what is designated in UN's goal - $2 per person per day(FO's pay = Rs5,000 pm or $120 pm or $4 per day - which feeds a family of four assuming) . Even if you discount the fact that costs are very low in field positions - I assume salaries would be higher in US for lower level positions - which most likely would be numerous. No wonder on the evening of graduation ceremony at Harvard while we were returning our capes and hoods and gowns at Harvard Coop. - one classmate from Silicon Valley area said that she is going back home and work as a school teacher in a local school - to get rich , build her home and raise children. And not seek jobs in development with non profits working in poor countries. US view of NGO posts in poor countries: She said that she had worked enough in development (she did a lot in Africa before the program ) -and perhaps becos she had recently got engaged to her boy friend doing his doctoral in a technical field at Stanford. Maybe she needed a Harvard tag to match his Stanford tech degree. This reasoning would gel with the
[Assam] Mittal bids for Arcelor -BBC
Mittal Steel unveils Arcelor bid Mittal Steel, the world's largest steelmaker, has made an 18.6bn euros (£12.7bn) bid for rival firm Arcelor. Mittal is headed by Lakshmi Mittal, one of the UK's richest men with an estimated fortune of more than £15bn. Arcelor shares rose more than 30% after Mittal Steel said it would offer 28.21 euros a share for the Luxembourg firm and would seek talks on a deal. Arcelor described the bid as hostile but said it would not take any action until its directors meet on Sunday. 'No discussions' Arcelor underlines the hostile nature of this move, that takes place without prior discussions or consultations between both companies, the company said in a statement. The bid comes as the steel industry is consolidating rapidly amid a fall in steel prices from their 2005 highs. We believe the offer provides a very attractive premium Lakshmi Mittal, Mittal Steel Prices rose rapidly in 2003 and 2004 but have slipped recently as demand for steel from China has cooled slightly. Arcelor recently won a fierce bid battle to acquire Canadian firm Dofasco for 3.95bn euros (£2.7bn) although Mittal Steel intends to sell Dofasco if its bid proves successful. If approved by Arcelor investors, the deal would create a giant steel firm with more than 250,000 employees and revenues in excess of $50bn. It would produce about 10% of the world's total steel output. However, the deal is likely to face scrutiny from the European Commission and other competition authorities. 'Growth potential' We believe the offer provides a very attractive premium and has been structured so that Arcelor shareholders have the opportunity to participate in the exciting growth potential of the combined company, said Mr Mittal, the firm's chairman and chief executive. Mittal Steel, which has headquarters in London and Rotterdam, was created in 2004 by the merger of three leading operators. It has expanded rapidly since then, buying Ukraine's largest steel mill last year for £2.7bn and investing heavily in India. It now operates in 14 countries. Arcelor, for its part, has a presence in 60 countries and is market leader in Europe and Latin America. Mr Mittal has hit the headlines in the past for making large donations to the Labour Party in the United Kingdom. He gave £2m to Labour in July, one of its single largest-ever donations, following its third successive election victory. Mittal Steel's shares rose 6.4% on the news of the bid. Story from BBC NEWS:http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/business/4653516.stm ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] some tricks in getting US H1B visas -NGO work etc
Dilip-da,Thank you for your support. Esp about the booting out incident. I like being on AssamNet.UmeshDilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Umesh, Many of us have gone through some of these experiences. I like the fact that you do not hesitate to document them. I didn't think you would make it to the states, you did. I didn't think you'd survive the cultural shock, you did. I didn't think you'd remain in the US after completing your studies, you did. Keep at it, you'll succeed in getting a work permit and a green card if that is your goal. We didn't go through some of the struggles you are going through. So it is hard to empathize with you all the time. But I wish you success because of your perseverance. If you recall I wrote to keep you in the net when many others were asking for booting you out.I do not agree with many of your views but I know it takes all kinds to make this human race. Keep writing though I delete many of your postings. Dilipdaumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:http://in.rediff.com/getahead/2005/sep/14visa.htm Convert your F-1 student visa to H-IB work visaHi,US non-profits are rabidly afraid of seeking to hire foreign staff to work in Dc etc - esp after getting rebuffed many a times from US immigrant services INS - even when they seek intra-company transfers of their employees from over-sees offices. More so , after Sep 11. Maybe becos one of the examples given to me ws of a certain Mr Muhammad from Middle East/ Africa ( I don't remember clearly). So I am trying to identify a different route. It seems that also is a road well travelled. NOTE: For those in a hurry: just go to the bottom of the page - for tips and tricksWell, after I got the eye flu last week (eyelids got swollen 3 times their normal size - just minutes after I "seeing off" my NRI landlord fly out of Reagan Intl. Airport, across the river fromDC to Cochin, India on Kuwait Airlines ) - I devoted my time to using my other senses - mainly listening to Beatles and others on FM channel and racking my brains. Just a day before I had borrowed Rs 30,000 ($650 ) from my borther in India to meet the fund flow bottleneck while paying my student loan ($350 pm for 15 years)and rent ($400pm). Economics - means optimal utilization of ALL resources. I try to be a good economist - for my own good as well.I had been sincerely applying to jobs in non profits across the world - mainly East of US- to all posiitions -even Country Head ones-wherever French was not a requirement. US non-profit experience: Incidently, today I completed my one complete month of teaching 8 yearolds in US - from immigrant families - mostly Latinos and one Black. Most are from either poor or disrupted families.Atleast one has a behavior disorder,one's father is in jail for "hitting a girl - my mother" -as the boy said, one girl's mother needs an English-Spanish translater, another's US raised father is barely able to sign his name.Another breaks into tears in class becos he misses his father (Boys don't cry) who stays near his home but met him only on weekends (maybe family separated). I can say that I have met a group of students who represent "disadvantaged" term in thelexicon of US colleges of education. This gives me confidence. Ofcourse the Harvard tag adds to the work I do - it seems colleagues do give weight to that as well.Salary Experience for expat jobs: Complex situationI was wondering why not also try to work in US with some non-profit - and maybe take short trips when needed to developing countries. Unlike those who have not grown up in poor countires I do not need to get acclimatized to their environment to do policy or strategey related work. Further, only very senior positions are available in developing nations -which pay in dollars (even though even Country Heads of these Intl. NGOs draw pay less than that of a District School Superintendent in US) . The local citizen - field officers (FO) in some NGOs ( I saw their pay in www.devnetjobs.org ) in India pays less that what is designated in UN's goal - $2 per person per day(FO's pay = Rs5,000 pm or $120 pm or $4 per day - which feeds a family of four assuming) . Even if you discount the fact that costs are very low in field positions - I assume salaries would be higher in US for lower level positions - which most likely would be numerous. No wonder on the evening of graduation ceremony at Harvard while we were returning our capes and hoods and gowns at Harvard Coop. - one classmate from Silicon Valley area said that she is going back home and work as a school teacher in a local school - to get rich , build her home and raise children. And not seek jobs in development with non profits working in poor countries. US view of NGO posts in poor countries: She said that she had worked enough in development (she did a lot in Africa before the program ) -and perhaps becos she had recently got engaged to her boy friend
Re: [Assam] India United
Dear Mukul, Thank you Mukul ! I invite you very cordially to join the triangle of Himendra-Khanindra-Rajendra :::once you join, we will be able to make a tetrahedron. If Chandan joins, that will be a real pyramid. I invite everyone to join us so that we will ultimately make a perfect sphere dedicated to make a United India ... a very strong, unitedcountry so that we will not lose independence again... so that everyone will live peacefully with dignity, safety, and prosperity. With the best wishes, Himendra Dear Khanindra, Kindly allow me to highlight one sentence from your letter: "Assam can win more by taking part and competing with Indians." With the best wishes, Himendra - Original Message - From: mc mahant To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] your opinion Himen,Khanindra, Rajen ideal triangle. Should open an exclusive Net. mm From:Khanindra Pathak [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:your opinionDate:Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:34:46 +0530 Dear Jugal, How are you? I read a letter regarding your comment on Assam and India. Are you supporter of Liberated Assam? Present state of affairs of Assam is totally different than we left in 1978. Now Assam looks like captured by Bangladesh. Assam's fate will be apalling if it get liberated. Once Rafiqul sent me a link of a home page of Abhayapuri. The caption was new home for old refugees. Assam can win more by taking part and competing with Indians. I feel some of our patriotic boys are under captivity of some power and stay in foreign country like Bangladesh and proapgate anti Indian feelings amongst the emotional and myopic Assamese who lack binding unity unlike our Muslim brotheren from Bangladesh. Assam net should discuss more on what they have contributed for the welfare of North East and plan for direct involvemnet to supporting some sustainable project. People can do that by analysing personal, social and group ego. Regards, Khanin ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Canoro begins oil sales from Assam field -Siffy Fianacials
Canoro is a Canada-based international oil and gas company operating in the Assam/Arakan basin of northeast India. Apart from Amguri the company is the operator with a 65 per cent working interest in the 1,445 square km AA-ON/7 exploration block . -Siffy For those interested in Assam's oil business, here is something hot off the presses. I had no idea that foreign companies still had operating interests in Assam oil fields. --Ram Canoro begins oil sales from Assam field Wednesday, 01 February , 2006, 09:29 Kolkata: Canoro Resources Ltd, holding 60 per cent operating interest in Amguri field in Assam, announced first oil sales from the field to IndianOil's Guwahati refinery. Assam Co of India holds 40 per cent stake in Amguri. According to a release issued by Canoro, the company is targeting an initial production of 500 barrels per day from the field using Oil India Ltd's (OIL) infrastructure facilities. Production is being limited at this level as Canoro is currently determining the optimum producing rates following the testing programme and installing permanent facilities on the block to eliminate unnecessary flaring of gas. Construction of pipeline infrastructure and the central facilities has already begun, with an anticipated completion in the second quarter 2006, the company said. | Read more Finance news.| Under the terms of the Amguri production sharing contract, Canoro's oil is to be sold at the same price as a basket of crude oils with similar characteristics and quality that are traded in the international market. Canoro is currently working with IOC to determine this basket of crude oils. Canoro is a Canada-based international oil and gas company operating in the Assam/Arakan basin of northeast India. Apart from Amguri the company is the operator with a 65 per cent working interest in the 1,445 square km AA-ON/7 exploration block. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Fw: MAYONNAISE JAR AND 2 CUPS OF COFFEE
- Original Message - From: Barua, Anita [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remember this ... ** When things in your life seem almost too much to handle, when 24 hours in a day are not enough, remember the mayonnaise jar and the 2 cups of coffee. A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, he wordlessly picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was. The professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles rolled into the open areas between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed that it was. The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up everything else. He asked once more if the jar was full. The students responded with an unanimous yes. The professor then produced two cups of coffee from under the table and poured the entire contents into the jar effectively filling the empty space between the sand. The students laughed. Now, said the professor as the laughter subsided, I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The golf balls are the important things--God, your family, your children, your health, your friends and your favorite passions--and if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house and your car. The sand is everything else--the small stuff. If you put the sand into the jar first, he continued, there is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life. If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff you will never have room for the things that are important to you. Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness. Play with your children. Take time to get the medical checkups. Take your spouse out to dinner. Play another 18. There will always be time to clean the house and fix the disposal. Take care of the golf balls first--the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand. One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the coffee represented. The professor smiled. I'm glad you asked. It just goes to show you that no matter how full your life may seem, there's always room for a couple of cups of coffee with a friend. Please share this with someone you care about. I JUST DID. _ ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question
Title: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question *** What are you trying to prove Rajen? Patriotism, like Religion, is a dirty word. People kill people for both. I wonder why? Why some people get immense pleasureencouraging people to get killed supporting their cause for patriotism or religion? Life is more important than country or religion. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral Question At 4:41 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote: I will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are doomed This means if I know somebody is doomed to die in their cause, I will not encourage by shouting Bravo Bravo from a distance like you are doing because you have nothing to loose from your AmericanArmchair. You even cannot claim 'independence' for Assam. You can simply shout Bravo Bravo to the doomed ULFA because you want to give moral support because they are dying anyway. RB *** Back-pedaling time already? Would you have supported the ANC and Mandela? Would you have supported Golda Meir and Abba Eban? Would you have supported the American revolutionaries? Would you have supported Ho-Chi-Minh against the French? Would you have supported Ben Bella and the Algerian freedom fighters? *** What are you trying to prove Rajen? Give it a rest would ya? The world knows of your moral superiority and philosophical genius. c ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Alleged army raids ! Reporter, you must be joking or scheming or a CHICKEN.
Assam: Train services affected following protest against army raids http://www.ptinews.com/pti/ptisite.nsf/$All/15DBB81C54A8411665257107005D7D63?OpenDocument Guwahati, Jan 31 (PTI) Train services were affected for nearly seven hours in Upper Assam's Dibrugarh district today when local people blocked railway tracks in protest against alleged army raids in some parts of the district.The agitators were protesting against alleged army operations in Mohkorah and Karuapathar villages, gherao of ULFA Commander in Chief Paresh Barua's native village Jeraigaon and youths being picked up from these villages.North Eastern Frontier Railway spokesman told PTI that the protestors blocked railway tracks between Chabua and Panitola stations from 1000 hrs to 1650 hrs halting 906 DN Ledo to Dibrugarh Passenger train in transit.5960 DN Kamrup Express between Dibrugarh and Kolkata was delayed by 1 hr 10 minutes leaving Dibrugarh at 1710 hrs while other trains scheduled to leave later were not affected.The blockade was lifted after senior civil and police officials from the district headquarters rushed to the spot.Official sources said the raids conducted by security forces were of routine nature following tip-off received that some ULFA ultras had taken shelter in the villages and were planning to strike.An ULFA cadre was killed in an encounter with security forces in Tengakhat area while others were picked up for interrogation yesterday, the sources added.Defence sources, however, refused to comment on the raids. PTI Don't just search. Find. MSN Search Check out the new MSN Search! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
