[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Alex, Damn, that's a nice shot! Care to trade an SB3 for permission to use it in our marketing material? -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SMPS vs Linear: Jitter
Ben Diss Wrote: It would be interesting to see the results of this test in an enivronment with dirty AC power. -Ben I assure you our office power is about as heinous as it gets, with air conditioners and dozens of computers flat-topping the AC. If I have time tomorrow I'll measure and post some pics. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24392 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe What, I'm going to get my SLR outNOW! -- Andyoz Andyoz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4864 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Upgrade SB3 Power Supply with outboard DAC?
From personal experience: 1. Linear PSU with analogue outs is big improvement over stock 2. Standard PSU with external DAC is big improvement over stock 3. Linear PSU with external DAC is big improvement over stock and smaller (but noticebale) improvement over mods 1 and 2. ALAC and FLAC show no difference in sound quality but FLAC uses less server processing, lower network bandwidth and added SB3 functionality. -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24395 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SMPS vs Linear: Jitter
Sean- That would be great. It would be neat to see what your power looks like compared to mine. I think I have pretty good power in my home and I have looked at it on the scope, but alas I don't have a scope with the resolution that lil' bad boy has. How could you test to see if the AC noise effects the DAC output? Would feeding a sine wave to the SB and viewing the wave (close-up) with both power supplies reveal anything? -Ben -- Ben Diss Ben Diss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24392 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Maybe it is a good idea to make a contest for the best picture? Rewarding it with a SB3 -- Amauta Amauta's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2669 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Yup, lovely shot. I am very impressed by the PMC OB1's! I have been trying to track down a pre-loved pair of these for quite a while now. The FB1's are impressive enough but the OB1s are awesome. MC -- ModelCitizen Squeezebox2 Benchmark Dac1 Naim NAC 82 Naim NAP 250 Shahinian Arcs. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe There's a second hand pair here: http://www.shadowaudio.co.uk/usedequipment/index.htm If they are still available, try offering them £1500 as they have been on their website for a while now. -- Andyoz Andyoz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4864 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe ajmitchell Wrote: Its Minolta 7D + tripod + natural lighting + 50mm F2.8, no filter. Nice shot indeed, though a polarising filter might improve (decrease) the reflections on the SB3 display next time... -- Khuli http://www.last.fm/user/khuli Khuli's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=851 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce
Phil Leigh Wrote: In the same way that the sound changes slightly as you move around the room, the TACT correction is only accurate in your normal listening position - however, in practice it works rather well regardless of listening position... Understood...yet there are DSP's used in the professional audio industry that manipulate the signals going to individual drivers in each cabinet to attempt to yield the most accurate audio possible at *all* seats in the concert hall (obviously it's impossible to get identical audio at *all* seats, but the systems attempt to come as close as possible). Granted, those systems are feasible because they involve many, many drivers but, not knowing much about the TacT, I thought that perhaps it might try to work some similar magic. -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24366 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: coax/SPDIF output only, do I need to mod SB3?
SlimDevices do not announce products, or even talk about them, until they are released. This has been their policy for as long as i can remember (back to the SliMP3 days). The high end version is just a rumour, and will stay that way until you can actually buy one, if it ever happens at all. I'll let someone else answer the coax/modding question though, i'm really not qualified to answer that one :) -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24398 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should I get a DAC?
From reading a lot of opinions on the subject, it seems to me that high-end systems benefit most from including an external DAC. I guess my gear is somewhat midrange: Cambridge 640A amplifier, System Audio 1750 speakers, and, of course, the SB3, which is the reason I began to read about DAC´s. My music source is an iMac with ALAC files feeding the wired SB3. Anyone experiencing significant better sound (whatever that is...) with a DAC feeding a reasonably good mid-level system? -- extenso extenso's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4858 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24412 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: coax/SPDIF output only, do I need to mod SB3?
Roy2001 Wrote: BTW, at this time, I plan to use coax cable to connect SB3 to an external DAC. My question is, do I really need to mod it? Which kind of mod do you recommend? This is something that only you can answer. You're the one who will be listening to the device. Let me say this: I have a mid-level system, am an amateur audio engineer, and think of myself as discriminating in the audio field. I feel no compulsion to mod my units. I enjoy them perfectly the way they are. If I were to upgrade I'd be sinking money into my speakers long before I ever touched the SB. There are other folks, however, who would not be able to enjoy their SB's as they do without having modded them. Buy one and see how it sounds. If you feel compelled to mod, then by all means mod. -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24398 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SMPS vs Linear: Jitter
Sean, at that bit rate (2.8224Mbps), one period is 354 ns. Obviously that is several orders of magnitude greater than the jitter rates you gave. I had always thought (or been told) that samples could occur at any time during a clock cycle, which would mean the jitter should be on the order of the clock frequency (or reciprocal time period). Also, how does this bit rate you gave link to the oscillator frequency, which is something like 12MHz, right? -- ezkcdude SB3-Derek Shek TDA1543/CS8412 NOS DAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24392 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe ezkcdude Wrote: I'll whip out my Nikon F4 I've got one of those. You have good taste :-) Re: the topic. The glare on the screen doesn't bother me much. It helps demonstrate the readability of the high quality display. I think ajmitchells shot deserves the SB3, but a contest would be fun. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Skunk Wrote: The glare on the screen doesn't bother me much. It helps demonstrate the readability of the high quality display. Hi All, Thanks for your comments on this topic and the offer for the SB3 is unexpected! A few words of explanation. The photo is taken in an extension to the house in which there are large windows on each side. The green reflection in the SB3 is actually trees outside. I considered a polarizer but it had the effect of reducing the readability on Classe TFT. Personally I think the quality of the display on the SB3 matches that of the classe pretty well (despite a 40 fold price differential!!). For those using film, thats excellenttherein true quality lies. Most of the images on http://ajmitchell.shutterpoint.com have a film version too (Fuji reala on minolta 7). I am also looking into 6x12 wide120 format for landscapes which are my real love. I have some more SB3 pictures taken in the same setting, and I'll post one or two more over the weekend. Alex ps. I would love to see a photo forum or even better photo contestcould be interesting to do some long exposures for the display. -- ajmitchell ajmitchell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=800 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Andyoz Wrote: There's a second hand pair (PMC OB1's) here: http://www.shadowaudio.co.uk/usedequipment/index.htm If they are still available, try offering them £1500 as they have been on their website for a while now. Thanks very much for the pointer. £1.5k is about what I wanted to spend. I rang them but their web site is very out of date (a new one is in the pipeline) and unfortunately they sold them ages ago. MC -- ModelCitizen Squeezebox2 Benchmark Dac1 Naim NAC 82 Naim NAP 250 Shahinian Arcs. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Oh well, I just bought a pair for £1380 but they have both been damaged in transit (very badly) and I going though an insurance claim from hell with the courier. Good luck -- Andyoz Andyoz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4864 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Andyoz Wrote: Oh well, I just bought a pair (of PMC OB1s) for £1380 but they have both been damaged in transit (very badly) and I going though an insurance claim from hell with the courier. Good luck Good luck. Wasn't ParcelForce (aka ParcelFarce) by any chance was it? After some very bad experiences with them damaging and loosing my hifi stuff I'd never trust them to deliver anything again. MC -- ModelCitizen Squeezebox2 Benchmark Dac1 Naim NAC 82 Naim NAP 250 Shahinian Arcs. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Nice review of the SB3 in UHF magazine
On Jun 2, 2006, at 11:43 AM, krzys wrote: I read the article in a store. They said that the Wi Fi password can be recalled from SB in clear text using the remote. The password can then be used to access the computer. Rare issue IMHO . I'm using wired SB ;-)) Well, that's the problem with print, it gets out of date pretty quickly. That bug was fixed in the firmware that shipped with 6.2.2! ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: coax/SPDIF output only, do I need to mod SB3?
azinck3 Wrote: If I were to upgrade I'd be sinking money into my speakers long before I ever touched the SB. There are other folks, however, who would not be able to enjoy their SB's as they do without having modded them. Exactly right. Forget about mods to the SB until you have a dream system in all other regards. Then, if you have money to burn on superflous mods, go right ahead and good luck hearing any significant difference. BB -- buddhabreath buddhabreath's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5743 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24398 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Should I get a DAC?
extenso Wrote: From reading a lot of opinions on the subject, it seems to me that high-end systems benefit most from including an external DAC. I guess my gear is somewhat midrange: Cambridge 640A amplifier, System Audio 1750 speakers, and, of course, the SB3, which is the reason I began to read about DAC´s. My music source is an iMac with ALAC files feeding the wired SB3. Anyone experiencing significant better sound (whatever that is...) with a DAC feeding a reasonably good mid-level system? No. If you don't have a superior external DAC into whatever you are plugging the coax into then use the RCA outs and use the internal SB DAC, it is of excellent quality. You're worrying over something that will in all probability make no audible difference whatsoever in your system IMO. The best thing about having an external DAC is that you can buy yet another component, have more interconnects, show if off to people and brag about it. BB P.S. I'm probably not going to be very popular on the audiophile forum, but I'm gonna tell the truth as I see it. There's a lot of snake oil around here, fortunately none of it from Slim Devices! -- buddhabreath buddhabreath's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5743 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24412 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Nice review of the SB3 in UHF magazine
krzys Wrote: I read the article in a store. They said that the Wi Fi password can be recalled from SB in clear text using the remote. The password can then be used to access the computer. Rare issue IMHO . I'm using wired SB ;-)) Chris Indeed, and a lot of routers will do the same thing. Of course, if a bad guy is in your house and has the remote control in hand... I would think it's a bit late to worry about wireless security... -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24416 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Nice review of the SB3 in UHF magazine
Right before the PDF turns into gibberish, they say, This article could turn out to be be one of the most important we have ever published, and we can pretty much guarantee that it is different from supposedly similar reviews, mostly uncritical, found in other publications. We think youll want to get the full version. Well, what's the verdict? -- ezkcdude SB3-Derek Shek TDA1543/CS8412 NOS DAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24416 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why do we need a DAC ?
So with my Panasonic SA-XR50 digital receiver, does the quality of the CD player matter since it's purely digital from the CD player to the receiver? -- Grayson73 Grayson73's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5778 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22502 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Upgrade SB3 Power Supply with outboard DAC?
There is no difference in sound quality between server side and client side FLAC decoding IMHO. In theory (but I haven't tried) all lossless formats should sound the same (ie good). -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24395 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Nice review of the SB3 in UHF magazine
In short (my English is average). They say what we already know: from audiophile point of view, the SB is on par to the mid and upper mid class players (let say up to 2k$ ) but not as good as the best ones (what else can they say?). They give some credit for the audiophile in and outs, the sound, the internal Dac and rave about the user friendliness of the SB. Read their conclusions on page 48. chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24416 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: coax/SPDIF output only, do I need to mod SB3?
NO you do not need to mod anything. Just enjoy it!. -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24398 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SMPS vs Linear: Jitter
All very interesting and backs up my theory that the problem with the stock SB PSU is NOTHING to do with the SB itself - rather, it's the effect it has on other components. Obviously, YMMV. -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24392 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Should I get a DAC?
Well - the internal DAC is very, very good but can be bettered - at a price. If I were you, with that system, I'd worry about other things rather than the DAC. -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24412 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why do we need a DAC ?
Oh yes - and in so many ways! Don't fall into the trap of thinking that bits are bits - it just ain't so. -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22502 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Nice review of the SB3 in UHF magazine
Hi Fi World (one of the whackiest publications on the planet) has just given the SB a 5 globe review - hurrah!...and this from a mag that thinks anything not analogue is inherently wrong (how sad - never mind). -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24416 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB mod on not mod, what to expect vs CD player?
BB - I think we are basically agreeing. I am not a fan of v. expensive interconnects/mains cables etc - but I can hear a difference between OK cables and rubbish cables. My amplifier remark was a bit flippant (I apologise) but I do strongly believe that the cables are as much part of the overall systems as the output transistors or the regulation caps (for example). Not every amp sounds the same - that's what I was really trying to say. Regards Phil -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SMPS vs Linear: Jitter
Do you mean as a source of RFI? -- Jitterbug Jitterbug's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24392 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce
Phil Leigh Wrote: Yes agreed, but those systems are crude by comparison. They seem pretty sophisticated to me (see a solution from Meyer Sound here: http://www.meyersound.com/616/) but as I said, I don't know a lot about these things. But back to the FIR filters: does anyone know much more about these and how they compare to what the TacT can do? -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24366 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SMPS vs Linear: Jitter
Maybe - I have no means of telling - it's just a theory... -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24392 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce
azinck3 Wrote: They seem pretty sophisticated to me (see a solution from Meyer Sound here: http://www.meyersound.com/616/) but as I said, I don't know a lot about these things. But back to the FIR filters: does anyone know much more about these and how they compare to what the TacT can do? Well - they are sophisticated in some ways - but not in the way we'd appreciate! Pro sound reinforcement is a whole different bag of spanners... and yes, FIR filters is part of the TACT proposition - some people will disagree with the following, but IMHO you are better off trying the TACT approach than trying to home brew your own solution... -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24366 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce
Phil Leigh Wrote: Well - they are sophisticated in some ways - but not in the way we'd appreciate! Pro sound reinforcement is a whole different bag of spanners... Haha, no kidding... Phil Leigh Wrote: and yes, FIR filters is part of the TACT proposition - some people will disagree with the following, but IMHO you are better off trying the TACT approach than trying to home brew your own solution... Ok, good, this is what I was looking for. Would really love a chance to hear for myself what a properly set up TacT system can do. -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24366 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SMPS vs Linear: Jitter
It is an interesting idea, and a familiar one. I've heard of other products with a switching PS that contaminate the sound quality of other gear -- either placed nearby, and/or plugged into the same power strip. One thing I notice, however, is if I listen with headphones to the SB3 on the standard switching PS, and then with the linear PS, the difference is still very noticable, possibly even more so. M -- ModMike ModMike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4666 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24392 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SMPS vs Linear: Jitter
ModMike Wrote: One thing I notice, however, is if I listen with headphones to the SB3 on the standard switching PS, and then with the linear PS, the difference is still very noticable, possibly even more so. There may be something to that... the headphone amp uses an LDO regulator from the 5V input as opposed to the higher internal voltage, because it needs more power than the DAC and op-amp rails need. Also that chip is known to be able to modulate high frequencies into the audio range (we needed to add some shunting caps when it was found that they could pick up the 2.4G emissions). Both of those are worth further investigation wrt to SMPS vs Linear question. However, neither factor affects the RCA outs so I'm not worried about those from what I've seen . -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24392 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SMPS vs Linear: Jitter
Phil Leigh Wrote: Maybe - I have no means of telling - it's just a theory... Definitions: http://www.answers.com/topic/theory says a theory is: A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena. A hypothesis is: A tentative explanation for an observation, phenomenon, or scientific problem that can be tested by further investigation. The difference is VERY important. Common misunderstanding and misuse of the word theory can lead to all sorts of silliness, as we have seen in the courts recently... On the topic of this thread, I am pleased to see this sort of testing being done. Someone once said if you're not producing numbers, you're not doing engineering. TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24392 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SMPS vs Linear: Jitter
I am -so- glad I'm not burdened with the understanding of an engineer... :-) -- joncourage SlimServer Version: 6.5b1 - 6939 - Windows XP - EN - cp1252 Player Firmware Version: 41 SB3 Audio Note DAC 3.1x Sig Levinson 383 integrated Amphion Argons joncourage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24392 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SMPS vs Linear: Jitter
I refer the legal department to this URL: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=theory I believe that definitions 4 6 support my choice :o) -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24392 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
