Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter into poweramp?
Thank you for your reply :-) sgmlaw wrote: > As to the reduced volume output on the TP, check the internal > attenuation jumpers. I know on our TP, I have to attenuate down quite a > bit to accommodate a vintage preamp, and that would certainly cause some > volume range issues with more modern gear. Had a quick look and L & R are both on Zero attenuation, just realised the Beringer is a piece of pro sound equipment so is used to the higher voltage of balanced signals, not the 'low' 2Vrms of domestic gear, this explains the max volume being low, I think! sgmlaw wrote: > Also be aware that using digital volume attenuation in the SB will lose > you some resolution compared to a 100% output with downstream analog > attenuation. If maximum resolution is your objective, you may be better > served with a preamp. Hmmm very good point thank you for mentioning this, I don't want to plug the TP in again directly to the power amp, without having it professionally tested, as I think the blast of electrical buss/humm has aged my speaker by about 40 years or so as they now sound really quite bad :-( It is not going in my main system at all until its got the all clear from a professional, or I'll send it back. But yes thanks for the advice, once I have a correctly working TP I shall try it with a pre and without, to see if I can hear the difference :-) sgmlaw wrote: > For the hum, I would check your cables for a ground loop. If your > cables are directional as to shield, try flipping them. Also make sure > that your input/output impedances for both instruments are within design > limits. Again, placing a preamp between the TP and the amp may also > alleviate that situation. I would also open up the TP to make sure it > is still stock, and has not suffered any poor repairs or mods. The cables are normal RCA single ended cables, so shielding should be connected both ends as far as I know. My SB Touch and my SB2 both work fine straight into the power amp... This is why I am confused!? The output impedance of the TP is 100 Ohm and the input impedance of the amp is 100,000 Ohms, as I understand it 10* 100 Ohms is the minimum for the two to work okay together, the higher the input impedance the better, so we should be fine. But obviously not :-o All looks like new inside, nothing out of place, no iffy soldering, so guessing all original. sgmlaw wrote: > FWIW, I ran a TP direct to amp for about a week while awaiting some > equipment to install. It sounded ok, with none of your hum issues. But > the SB, even at the TP level, is really a front end device, and benefits > greatly from further pre-amplification. They simply dont have the > analog chomps to drive higher end amps all by themselves without some > help. > > I dont care what all the TP fanboys and scopeheads say, looking under > the hood, the TPs analog output stage is unimpressive. And compared to > higher strata DACs, sounds unimpressive. I wound up using the TP as a > digital head end into a separate DAC in the $3-5,000 range. And that > DAC makes the TP by itself sound like a 1979 Walkman by comparison, > primarily due to a vastly superior analog output stage, very robust > power supplies throughout, and extensive overbuild in the conversion > stage. You get what you pay for, and premium build analog stages are > unavoidably expensive. The TP was never more than a $1,000 instrument > inside, and was somewhat overpriced when new due to its market position > at that time. > > However, unless you are prepared to move up to that level, the TP is > still reasonably competitive with todays sub-$1,500 DAC offerings, but > with a good following preamp. Thank you for these points, much appreciated :-) I don't fancy testing the TP in different set ups until I know its not going to harm anything else. But yes I will at some point try it directly into a power amp, then into the TAG as an analogue input, and then as a digital input, just to see what I prefer the sound of :-) I bought the TAG about 12 years ago, boy time flys! bought from an audio repair guy, I did not have it long and was soon on the phone to him, asking if he could make it more musical, its attention to detail was amazing IMO, that is why I bought it, but I missed the involving musicality side of things, the guy said he could try a few things and it came back sounding much nicer, about 4 years after that I pitted it against 2 dacs around the 2 -2.5k range, I came back thinking the repair guy did a fab job! But yes I can imagine 4-5k dacs would improve once again, but ummm yes cash needs to go else where ;-) I had not thought of analogue pre amp after the TP :-) good call :-) I shall try it. Cheers! Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29151 ___
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I'm a LMS convert...
Nice to have a list of software and your thoughts, cheers :-) Just checking DSP is that similar to PEQ ? I was never sold on room correction (dsp? peq?) as thought it was too much giggerypokery with the signal, wanted things simple 'pure' and straight forward, until I heard the difference :-o I now have a couple of XTA DP200's as experimental room correction thingies which I am impressed with! although I have had to learn stuff to get the sound how I like it, which is cool. So frequencies can be boosted or reduced dependent on room and ones hearing, as far as I can tell there is not much trade off in sound degradation with the XTA gear in the chain, its a plus to cut frequencies I don't like and add a little more of the ones I do, keeping the character of amps and speakers :-) Just a thought if your still looking for DSP adjustments... Yeah I am a little out of date with gear so may be way off :-o :-) Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116870 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter into poweramp?
Yes re-erecting a nice old thread :-) Not long purchased what looks like a nice example of a Transporter :-) However -Plugged it in for a quick test, Transporter unbalanced outputs -> Behringer X-air (basically a pre amp with eq) -> Mackie powered speakers All sounds good, Transporter needs to be turned up max to get a normal input signal to the X-air and works nicely. BUT - I would like the transporter to replace my Squeezebox touch and TAG pre amp / dac, so the Transporter will go straight in to my Adcom power amp (unbalanced). Even when the TP is not playing and muted I get a loud electrical buz/hu and have to switch power amp off Fast! Yeah it seems if the TP volume is say half way the buzz is deafening!! Only tried it twice with a re-plug in to the x-air in between... x-air / mackie output musical and fine. TP straight in to the AdcomNOISE... ??? I have tried my touch and SB2 straight in to the Adcom and works as it should, same leads but with the TP in place, bad buzzzhmmm ?? I am confused any thoughts / pointers much appreciated Cheers :-) Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29151 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone used this... AudiophileOptimizer
Hi Quad, I have actually been experimenting with disabling different services etc, on win8, the most recent was to disable the paging file :-o pc is still going and sounding better than before :-) fingers crossed it keeps going as I rather like it. From these experiments I can only assume that with all the work gone into the optimizer it would work rather well, especially on server12 as I understand server12 is minimal compared to win8, and minimal seems to work rather well, from the small amount of experimentation I have done. However, server12 is a bit out of my budget, not even going to try it on trial as I'm guessing I will like and then have difficulty going back to win8.. :-( Thanks for letting me know as I was unsure with all the previous comments above it would affect things when using LMS, from my experimentation I would guess it would work well! Enjoy your music :-) Cheers dc Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100440 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone used this... AudiophileOptimizer
ralphpnj wrote: And if you are using wi-fi to stream to your Squeezeboxes then don't forget to pick up some Audiophile Air in Can: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?101032-Audiophile-Buzzwords-Fads-Crazes-Hypes-and-other-Quantum-Mattersp=772814viewfull=1#post772814 You will thank me. :cool: :D Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100440 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone used this... AudiophileOptimizer
SBGK wrote: of course it makes a difference, does win 7 sound the same as win 8 ? You can try altering the priority of the logitech server program on your pc eg high to low, if you can't hear any difference then optimisations may not help, otherwise learn to think for yourself and try things out instead of looking for opinions from people with a bits are bits agenda. My query was if an optimization program written for JPlay users, would work for SB users? Jplay and SB setups work in quite a different way I am guessing. I upgraded from win7 to win8 as it was £25, and was not expecting the change in sound! Quite pleasantly surprised :-) I don't know, but XP is simple and stable, do you know if this has been AB with win8? (link at the bottom of your post noted, will have a read soon) Cheers DC Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100440 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone used this... AudiophileOptimizer
I guess from all the arguments against tweeking the source pc, all of your answers are 'no you have not tried any tweeking'... or if you have it had made no difference. Many thanks for you time and explanations. Cheers DC Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100440 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone used this... AudiophileOptimizer
Mnyb wrote: Do you still have your squeezebox ? Yes SB2 kitchen and a Touch lounge. I found Soundcheck's TT improved things, (reducing workload of the touch). I don't see why reducing the actual work load of the pc running SS, shouldn't also make a difference in sound repro. Just wondering if anyone had tried the above or in fact just tried reducing services, disabling background programs, on board sound, even usb bus etc, tried XP win7 win8 comparisons for example. Thinking of experimenting with with my SS pc, somewhat under the budget of server2012! Cheers DC Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100440 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone used this... AudiophileOptimizer
Hi, Seems to get rather good results reading about it on various forums, but not come across anyone using it with a slimdevices set up, just wondered? http://www.highend-audiopc.com/optimizer.html cheers DC Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100440 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?
Okay you have swayed me to try a blind test, I will at some point use a file from the back up copy on the nas, and run it on a 2 song play list play list with the same file on the pc, ff and skip a few times so I have no clue as to which is which. But, I have not had a chance to listen to a single track in the last 3 weeks, so don't hold your breath, it may be a while. You have me wondering now ;-) Cheers Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?
I listened to an av processor 7.1 all the video inputs etc, and then the same electronics but heavely reduced with only stereo dac and pre, for only stereo!, to me there was a large difference, the only physical difference being less powered up electronics in one box than the other... My opinion was posted as the OP asked the question. It is up to the individual to choose how they pick the equipment they listen too, don't you think? I choose to listen, if the difference is small enough for me to not decide what I like best, then I may blind test. Sorry I don't see what difference it makes to others, if I like one thing better than the other, or how I choose it? Some people like to blind test and believe in it, other don't, some people hear a difference some don't... Thought the OP was asking any difference in sound repro from pc to nas, I would say yes, guess you would say no, so up to the OP to test / hear for him self.. blind testing or not, it makes no difference to me. Cheers :-) DC darrell wrote: There really is no way, no mechanism, by which there can be the slightest difference. Of course, you are perfectly entitled to ignore all this and carry on in what many members will consider a state of delusion. But then why post your opinion here, if you are unwilling to take the discussion further by testing your perceptions? If the difference is as obvious as you claim, then blind testing should hold no fear for you, even if you feel you have some sort of emotional or other investment in your current beliefs. In any case, we should all welcome being proved wrong, as it means we have learnt something. Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?
Sorry to cause trouble, just thought someone asked, if there was a difference listening to a pc or nas, I would answer as I noticed a change, so said yes. I have no clue as to why I heard a difference, same as I have no clue as to why a copper wire or interconnect sounds different to another. Yes I've learnt a bit about L C R etc, but factory internal software settings of Linux, Win and network systems is way way above my head, so I'm afraid I can't discuss as I have no clue why the nas and pc sound different. Only suggesting to those who may be interested in trying / testing / hearing if there is a difference in nas and pc, it may be worth a go. Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?
If I was playing 2 new albums during the first week of ownership, and half way through the week swaped over to the NAS as source (under the impression it should sound better) and was instantly hit, as to how dead the sound was, and never the less played them out... swapped back to the pc and was pleasently taken a back as to how alive the sound had become, I quite clearly prefer the pc and see no need for blind testing. I do have a go at blind testing when I don't clearly hear an instant preference. Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?
LarsHP wrote: I would like _those_who_have_experience_ with both types of setup to chime in on this - _especially_if_you_have_high_end_audio_gear_. . Would not say I have hi end gear, but try different network cables, if you hear a change in sound / presentation then, you may well hear a change in the sound when the sound is sourced from a NAS or PC. My PC has always been my source (music files stored on it). Switched LMS (on PC) to use my NAS as the source just to see / hear if there was any difference. PC as source, music sounded more alive, NAS sounded quite dead in comparison, I have no clue as to why, but my PC is my source. I would have guessed the NAS would have been better as there is less electronic activity going on in the NAS than in the PC... ho hum :-) Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
TheOctavist wrote: using inguz eq boost 7, 8 , , 9 and 10 kHz by 42db/ Q of 1.0 while using steep filter to cut everything below 500 hz also knock down your walls and replace with glass. I was thinking forward and aggressive sound, as in, sound stage brought closer to me and not a gentle delicate sound, but more in ya face, bass too :-) So your thinking by turning up the treble, sound will get more agressive and move the vocals closer to me? - same sort of thing as reducing the resistor size to my tweeter..? Won't I just get louder delicate treble still positioned where it is in the soundstage? If I turn up the volume vocals don't get closer too me... Sorry if I'm missing the point, I can only think I will get more of what I already have.. Only way to try I guess... Cheers for the reply! Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Seem to be quite a few trying to soften the forward aggressive sound, with pc tweeks any pointers on making it a little more forward and aggressive? cheers Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
SBGK;696986 Wrote: you guys !! If you spent as much time applying the tweaks... I'm starting to realise, may be a bit late, that my set up is a little complex, standard pc on iso feet, router with linear psu, access point with linear psu and sbt with linear psu, reasonable quality network cable on the access point to the sbt, freebie on the pc to router. Still some pc hardware tweeks to do, and now all these software tweeks too :-O What is your set up? First time I tried fidelizer I did not like the loss of clarity and filling out of the sound, it seemed to give. Filling out of the sound, good, but not good enough to loose the clarity. Now after a few other tweeks the filling out of the sound and slight lack of clarity is now favorite :-) Just trying another network cable today, to see if I can get some clarity back. First impressions are more clarity but at the cost of not quite put my finger on it yet, need some more listening. These software tweeks are they easy enough to implement? Its an old pc so no dual core stuff.. Cheers DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;697409 Wrote: ok, these settings were not perfect, they were very good. They were missing some top end which I thing was due to IRQ 33 being sched_other, I don't pretend to know why this makes a difference, but noticed it during the testing the other day (something to do with nand interrupt). I have changed the settings below, basically IRQ33 changed to priority 90. . } Hope you don't mind, a quick couple of questions, - what actually are the settings changing or doing? - for someone who does not understand pc's much, is it just a case of re-setting how the pc thinks / does things? - might you be so kind as to point one in the direction as to, how to implement the change in settings? - sorry just the one more, last point, I tried buffer at 3600 and 2 and by far prefered 3600 so I guess your ears/system are different to mine and would therefore guess the other settings may need to be tweeked to my ears/system too...? Many Thanks DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
SBGK;696146 Wrote: here are my ratings for mods out of 10, most of them relate to enhancements of the pc/windows which 99% of squeeze forums say makes no difference. TT3.0 8 noise reduction, sound enhancement TT priorities 8 big difference if set correctly fidelity audio mods -- 8 sibilance removal and resolution enhancement max buffer mods -- 8 noise reduction linear supply 7 remove muddy sound of smps core parking 4 smoother sound irq priority setting - 5 enhanced dynamics core irq affinity 6 separation of instruments, better detail, dynamics meicord -- 4 noise reduction, clearer sound tcpip ethernet optimisation - 6 sound enhancement, dynamics background scheduling - 3 better bass process affinity -- 6 better clearer sound process priority -- 5 better clearer sound core frequency lowering - 4 removes hf digital hash system timer set to .5 ms - 3 not sure if this does anything or is relevant to Touch music playing, copied from fidelizer, jplay service disabling -- 4 slight sound improvement rf attenuator -- 6 icing on the cake, would not be without it. 3d sound, dynamics, smoother sound. screen removal - 4 sound improvement toslink removal 3 clearer sound coax solder to Touch --- 5 enhanced detail ferrite choke on laptop smps - 4 reduces hf noise ferrite choke on usb smps 2 reduces hf noise linear supply for laptop and external disk - 5 surprising change in quality of sound, shows how much crap the smps were injecting. Cool stuff !! must say most is above my level of understanding, but what is within I will try. After trying iso feet on my old server it is clear that server adjustments have some effect, why not software as well as hardware, appreciate all the testing and reporting!! :-) Cheers DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SBT source.. or rather the pc with the data is the source..
Soulkeeper;696574 Wrote: 'This thread' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257) contains all you need to know about the subject. As an added bonus, it also contains all you -don't- need to know. Enjoy! Cheers, a good few pages in, and lots to go, looks like software tweeking, I was thinking hardware tweeking.. interesting stuff :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94199 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SBT source.. or rather the pc with the data is the source..
Changing the psu on the router and the access point seem to have made rather a nice improvement :-) Cheers Soundcheck for the tip!!! Got me thinking, what about my old clapped out pc that is running as the server, all that mechanical and electrical noise, vibrations and smps etc... This is where the tunes initiate from ;-) if a new psu for a router makes a difference would not a new psu for the pc.. anyone played/tweeked the pc server ? Just put some vib draining feet under the old pc and it seems to have made a nice difference, rather supprised and pleased, placebo or not they are staying :-) Any more suggestions for tweeks appreciated. Cheers DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94199 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Hope not too far off topic, just wondering a couple of things: Does anyone know the actual route of the music file? As in, LMC pc with internal D: music full hard drive, music file off the drive, through LMC, to my router, over the air to my other router, down the cable to my SBT. If the music is stored on a NAS, would the file go straight from the nas to the router over the air to the other router etc, or go through the LMC pc too? I'm guessing that XP differs quite a bit to W7.. in respect to server and network tweeking possibilities? Cheers for any thoughts, DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Phil Leigh;688160 Wrote: The data in the music file always passes through LMS Thought it may have done, just wanted to check, Thank you! -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch
soundcheck;685430 Wrote: ... you won't change anything on your source. So thinking about the LMC pc as the source for a moment... from reading your interesting stuff, I know you have tried different operating systems and found a difference in the sound output. Have you tried different power supplies for the LMC machine? - do you think it would make much of a difference, like when changing the smps on a router, to a linear psu? Cheers -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch
magiccarpetride;684619 Wrote: I now have an additional problem -- I need to shell out another 100 bucks for another Venom 3 for my pre-amp. No rest for the wicked... Thought you were going to say you tried the power cable on your squeezebox server pc... Go on give it a bash, if it makes the screen look better it should hopefully make the pc innards work nicer too. Another tweek I had not thought of to add to my waiting list of things to do :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch
magiccarpetride;684869 Wrote: However, my primary concern is improving the sound quality of my stereo, so for now I'm exploring only that side of the equation. Sorry, I shall try to ask again, Do you run LMS on a pc? if you do, I was wondering if using an after market power cable on the LMS pc would make any difference to the sound quality of the touch output... As, I have found different power cables give different results if they are plugged in to say a linear psu, dac, pre amp, power amp etc. I never thought of using a decent power cable for my LMS pc for sound reproduction improvement, untill now :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch
magiccarpetride;684889 Wrote: Ah, gotcha now (sorry, I was a bit thick last time around;) Yes, that sounds like a reasonable idea. Intuitively, I'd think that using Shunyata on the SBT should yield me bigger improvements than using it on the music server side, but I can't know for real until I give it a try. The problem is that I'm using a headless Mac Mini for hosting the Squeeze media server, and I don't think you can fit Shunyata at the back of Mac Mini. Or can you? Wow! I'm a bit behind on the pc side of things I could probably fit 20 of those lovely neat little mini mac things in my old pc case :-o Yes, interesting thought, I use my pc for decoding flac, to pcm I think it is, not sure what the SBT does apart from pass the signal on to the dac. Maybe the pc could benifit more as it is doing more work? - I have no clue. Maybe I will have to borrow the silver cable that the tv amp has at the moment, and plug it in the pc, and see if the touch does anything different. Hope I get back from work early enough to have a play thur or fri :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone demo SBT TT3.0 against LINN / NAIM Streamers ?
pandasharka;683549 Wrote: Put the money on the front end - spending downstream will only highlight weakness. Do you get me? Oh yes I get you ;-) I almost follow that plan... well... thinking about it, maybe I don't. I have my third best power cable on the PSU for the SBT, the SBT is just laying on the floor, on its side as thats the best way for the coax to fit, everything else is on some kind of coupling/de-doupling vib absorbing/draining support... h Well I think a play is in order rather than thinking about a spend. Just the little things like power cables, supports, buffer sizing, linear psu, all tweek the sound a bit, I was wondering if after all this tweeking would the basic Linn still be even twice as good as a fully tweeked SBT? I get the general feel that the basic Linn may be a smidge better, and no way worth all that extra cash... Guess the only real way for me to find out is for some poor dealer to put up with me taking all my gear and comparing I'll start on my linear psu for my router tonight :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92968 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone demo SBT TT3.0 against LINN / NAIM Streamers ?
SBGK;683559 Wrote: don't forget to look for second hand bargains, Linn Klout power amp £1000 on ebay, one of Linn's best. I've never heard Linn amps, heard one of their decent record players, and a couple of pairs of their speakers, going by what I heard and the money they cost, I was thinking along other lines, personal taste naturally. But now you have mentioned it maybe I should have a listen to a Linn amp, as I was considering listening to a Linn streamer. My short list to look out for are Rega Exons or Nakamichi PA7's... But amps is now way down the list. Thought, speakers was first, then amp, but now thinking more about tweeking on the most important bit, the source ;-) Thanks for the reminder! -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92968 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone demo SBT TT3.0 against LINN / NAIM Streamers ?
magiccarpetride;683713 Wrote: you come to the realization that you're listening to your power. Oh yes!! that is what is used to produce the sound you hear. Hope to move within the next year or so, so dedicated consumer unit is in the plan for the new gaff, so long as it goes in quick and is un-noticed ;-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92968 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone demo SBT TT3.0 against LINN / NAIM Streamers ?
A neighbour seems to think a SBT is not as good as a dedicated well made streamer by some of the well known hifi names.. Having not even heard a SBT with TT3.0. Price differs a great amount, maybe this is what he is basing his thoughs upon, pay for what you get etc. Just out of interest any one listened to any of the above, in to the same dac? Cheers DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92968 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone demo SBT TT3.0 against LINN / NAIM Streamers ?
DaveWr;683429 Wrote: Why would I listen into the same DAC. I have a Linn DS and guess what I use it's DAC. Compared to an SB3 into a Lavry DA10 significantly better. Touch not a clue, I have 3 SB3s and a Boom. Never bought a Touch as Squeeze philosophy was changing, IMO not for the better. Ah, sorry I may need to read a little more, I was thinking, the Linn and Naim streamers were digital transports, so I was thinking, if one feeds the coax digital out of any digital transport, into the same dac, then one could evaluate the different transports. I know it's comparing apples and pears, but was just interested in any ones findings. -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92968 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone demo SBT TT3.0 against LINN / NAIM Streamers ?
pandasharka;683439 Wrote: I didn't hear it that way - I compared SB Touch extensively against a Linn DS. Just done some reading and learnt the Linn streamers are basically intergrated amps, with dac and streamer built in.. I hope I read it right. Makes sence as one can avoid the s/pdif interface streaming directly to a dac. So were you listening to the analogue outs of the SBT vs analogue outs of the Linn? Cheers -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92968 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone demo SBT TT3.0 against LINN / NAIM Streamers ?
Yes, good plan, If I were going to spend 2-3k I think it would first go on speakers.. But, will attempt to get a listen in at some point, just to be sure if any money is spent it goes in the right area :-) Cheers DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92968 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
evdplancke;682902 Wrote: An assumption could be that this rebuffering would cause a noise with specific frequency characteristics, around 250 Hz for 4k and 50 Hz for 20k buffer. Depending from the frequency characteristics of each system, this noise could generate more or less interferences at cost of SQ. Yes, I was thinking noise and interference differences, so very system and ear dependent. What I 'm thinking: tt -k off 3400 buffer, good but not quite so good as tt -k activated 20k buffer, much smoother and more relaxed, minimal foot tapping, no head nodding 3400 buffer, more chrisp sounding, and more air about sound sources-what ever that means, I'm liking it as foot tapping and head nodding. tt -k activated, each voice / instrument seems to have a little more smoothness to it, and more power! :-D Cool Going to have a read again, of around page 65 I think it was. Cheers :-) DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Hi, One long thread to catch up on :-O Interesting as well as confusing (I'm needing to understand computing a little more) will need to re-cap some bits me thinks. Any way, Thought I had installed all TT3... sounds quite different to TT2, 1st impression thin and improved clarity, sound sources much more pin pointed, had to put back my lower bass port plug, to get lower bass tight again - so more lower freq :-) Even though it's thin sounding I'm loving the clarity and more accuratly placed instruments and singers :-) After skimming over 100 pages or so realised I'd missed the tcp and fidelizer programs, installed both last night, this morning things seem fuller and clarity has dropped back a level. Just wanted to clarify that a pc restart finishes fidelizer, and setting tcp to windows default puts that back to normal..? I did a while ago use ctrl alt del to set LMS to hi priority, not sure if the tcp prog will reset this to defaut. Talk about a tuning exercise, the possibilities seem endless!! must be something there for everyone. Cheers for any thoughts! DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
NoRoDa;682744 Wrote: No problem. Do a restart and listen. Is the sound is thinner and clearer? ;) Oh yes Clarity is back :-)Simple a! Thanks for clarifying that. Will have a further play with above when I get the linear psu for the router sorted out. Cheers for now DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Wondered if you may be able to help me understand the lights on my router, and the buffer size thing. I have a wireless router wired to the LMS pc in the consevatory and it talks over the air to another wirelss router in the lounge to which the SBT is wired. On TT2 think I had the buffer down to about 5.5k knowing I have drop outs I was lowering the buffer size slowly bit at a time... The arial light and the socket 3 into which the SBT is wired used to flash in a right panic for a short while and then take a breather for a while then go in to hyper mad flash mode again for a short while then have another rest. I knew if the hyper flash panic was after a longer than usual breather there would be a drop out... Now with TT3 the buffer is set at default I think 3400, the lights flash in not such a mad panic but seem to flash for a lot longer and only have a split second or two rest before the stream of flashes continues. Would I be right in thinking with a smaller buffer information has to flow more constantly to keep the music flowing, rather than with a big buffer a heafty load of info is dropped music plays using the info up, while lights pause, and then when it runs low, another heafty load is dropped? Also if you don 't mind what is the difference : Soundcheck Quote (from install instructions): With this modification you will resize the Alsa buffer. It's the buffer from the Linux soundlayer to your device and NOT the streaming buffer on the ethernet receiver. Would some one be kind enough to explain in simple terms what the difference is, and we are altering the Alsa buffer, are we not? Many thanks for you time ;-) Cheers DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
evdplancke;682823 Wrote: As far as I understand the buffer mods, the ALSA buffer is the output buffer of the audiostream towards the internal/external DAC. The streaming buffer is the input buffer from the network. When you plug out the network, you'll still have for a few tens of seconds of music. ALSA buffer of 4k is for 4 ms (milliseconds) of music only. So I would not expect a big impact of the ALSA buffersize on the way the streaming traffic flows. So smoothing the flow/load in the SBT in some systems sounds good and in others at 20k, peeks of rebuffering sound best. Hmmm interesting, I see what you mean as in ALSA should not effect the network streeming/buffering, if I am back early enough tomorrow I will try the 20k buffer just to see what the lights do and see what it sounds like :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch DAC
andyjayh;675933 Wrote: From other peoples experience of DAC upgrades with the Touch, are the improvements subtle or a big step up again? I guess this depends on the DAC in question and therefore the dollar involved. I'm looking for a step up that makes me pack my Teac away once and for all and I'm not sure if the Emotiva/Heed/Audio-gd price range DACs will do this? Do I need to be looking at £500-£1000 devices or am I looking at this all wrong? From the little I've listened to with regards to dac's, well one rather loud and fun afternoon, one needs to listen to a dac with your favorite music as I found different dacs played different music better, IMO anyway, how confusing is that! Don't know if a little read here may be of interest: http://thelondonbakeoffshow.110mb.com/index.php?p=1_8_Computer-audio-room -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92202 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Cool, Good to know! Especially about the boks, Cheers :-D -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
I'm really rather glad you guys have posted, initially I thought it was a simple subject of twiddle with the DCX to get it sounding right by ear :-o Just shows a little knowledge could be disastrous. Now one feels enlightened, and incapable of setting up an active crossover, so am rather pleased I did not attempted it with the little knowledge I have :-) The speakers up for the tweek are BW's not Linn's, I have no worries that the most suitable boards would be obtained and modified if required to suit the speakers... One would guess Linn boards are suggested as I'm guessing the components are of a decent quality. -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
MediaCenter;634376 Wrote: I also should warn you that it is addictive and fun but getting it right and settling down on a sound is very difficult.. Thank you for the warning, I noticed that when listening to dacs, each style of tune that was played, I prefered a different dac. So stayed with my own to save getting lost in choice/confusion. I also noticed that with each little tweek some tunes sound so much better and others now have the skip button pressed. I like the idea of tweeking but endless choice at ones finger tips h... Maybe it's best if I do go the Linn card route, as I'm thinking they can't be user tweeked :-o Cheers! -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Mnyb;634410 Wrote: Your friend with the Linn cards does he know what he is doing ? will he know what is the right settings for your speakers ? it is not that simple as just choosing a frequency ? Yes he repairs quite high end hifi stuff, has built his own active crossovers from scratch, and recommended the Linn cards for my set up, but also suggested it may be a bit of a waste, on my current speakers :-( Good I guess, he says it how he see's it. I think also it will be difficult getting hold of Ditton to get the specs on the drivers and crossovers, so maybe some new second hand speakers are due too :-0 Good I like the idea of soldered parts for the crossover so I can't play, and will leave it up to the repair guy as to what boards, as he should know best... Out of interest why are there so many different Linn XO boards? If all they do is filter out bits, by soldering in the bits, you need..? -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Ah well, I was thinking my speakers needed just a little lift of some sort, slightly sweeter in the mids maybe. I started to look into upgrading the passive crossover components, changing the capacitors etc, or rebuilding the whole crossover. As time is some what short for hobbies at the moment I thought if I'm taking them apart I want to put in the best I can afford as they probably won't come apart again for a good while. When adding up the cost and time, I thought I may as well investigate active! From what I've been reading, active seems to result in more impressive results than passive upgrades... who knows though, untill one has tested it ones self... Not got the time or money for both. It makes sence to use the amp to power everything rather than loosing some power in the passive circuits.. So in answer to your question, no not new ones, playing with the old :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
:-) my diy skills would probably streach to replacing like valued components with upgraded like valued components, and was thinking a passive crossover should be pretty simple... Swaying towards the active, I mentioned it in passing to the guy who fixed my pre/pro, he thinks he would be able to get some Linn active cards in the space, in the case of my pre/pro as I am missing the 7.1 and bypass cards. No extra boxes which is a big plus, and he would do the solderig etc. and he would set it all up with me watching :-) more likely to work if someone else does it! Not the cheapest of options but sounds favorite to me at the moment... Will more than likely have to save up for a year or two though :-( As opposed to the cheep DCX, h may get impatient on the journey. :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Mnyb;633874 Wrote: I think it would work just fine, I think so too. Just seems a bit unnecessary for me to convert to analogue then have the new box convert AtoD and then DtoA once again... Or to avoid all these conversions, just don't use my pre/pro... hmmm I shall read some more of the instruction book, and learn more around the whole subject. Many thanks for your help on me understanding more! Cheers DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Ah ha, so it can be done that is wonderfull, but, splitting the 2 channels to 4, pcm will loose some sound quality? even if the same amount of music information is there, just because it it split into 4 channels rather than 2 some quality will be lost, am I understanding that right? -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Yes, DD, DTS, that is what I was thinking could be used, but was unsure how, nice to know it can be done, but it did not occur to me that one would loose some sound quality in doing so. Yes, I was wondering if a digital crossover could be implemented in slimserver some how. I read that a nice digital crossover can be achieved with a pc and sound card, outputting the highs mids and lows for stereo, but don't want a pc in the lounge. I'm quite happy with my processor/dac so don't really want to pay out for any more DA converters either. And, did not really want any more boxes, or additional stuff in the ananlgue path. Fussy, I know! ;-) It just seemed the simplest solution to have software do the filtering and SB transport it to my processor.. So maybe the best solution if quality would be lost using the SB with pcm, is to have an analogue active crossover.. I don't quite get the lossy thing with DD/DTS, if the same amount of information is there for stereo, 2 channels, why would information be lost if it were just split in to 4 channels rather than 2? Is it the processor/decoding that can't handle the information split 4 ways or the pcm signal? Thanks for the feedback so far :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Ah, that is more than likely why it has not been done already, and why I could not find any information on how to do it. I guess Meridian found their own way around it. HDMI, hmmm my processor is pre HDMI, good job really, as I can't program and spare time... what is that? ;-) So it looks like my so called simple solution is a dead end, Oh well, many thanks! for your input to help me understand the area a bit more. HeHe active speakers, it does not seem quite so much fun buying something that will work straight away :-) Simple though which is always good! Thanks again, I shall investigate analogue active crossovers and active speakers next, Cheers :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Cheers Phil for the confirmation of, no go with the SB, and the other possible options :-) Ah yes, the DCX2496 is rather reasonable, quite tempting to have a punt, but in reading more noticed it's analogue inputs are converted to digital and then back to analogue, I may guess, this could degrade the signal from what it is already..?? Only trying at home would tell...I guess. So maybe I'll look down the analogue active crossover avenue and start learning exactly what the options are there :-) I understand from hear say that some linn crossover boards have been used to make an active system with some BW's with rather impressive results. Pleanty of reading to catch up on. Many Thanks for your input in concluding my initial thoughts were not possible, and directing me in other possible directions. Cheers :-) DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Hi, Just starting to try and understand all the different speaker crossover options. It seems to make sence to me to have something like an inguz plugin that can filter frequencies in the digital domain, split them to hi and lo and left and right and run the pcm to, and out of, a SB, and into a pre/processor on to power amps and drivers. Not knowing much about the subject and what is involved, am I in cloud cookoo land or would something like this be possible...? Much appreciate any comments! Cheers DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Shielded Mains Cables
Phil Leigh;627854 Wrote: I'm sure some of you will think I'm nuts. Maybe I am. I'm looking forward to your next report! My tv picture was rather iffy, so wound sticky tape silver foil around the tv lead, and the ntl box lead, earthed it at the plug end, things improved. I was thinking it was interference affecting the lead, it had not occured to me that the leads them selves may be causing some of the interference... cool All my stereo wires are shielded, from trying a Nordost Blue Heaven a while back which generated a loud hum, that improved with tin foil around it. So all IC's power cables and speaker cables are all shielded. All very interesting stuff I think. -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Not long got my SBT sorted with the toolbox mods, wired straight to my router, through the lounge, kitchen and conservatory. A new area for my ears to get in tune with I believe, a cymbal, with my SB2 sounded good to me, with the touch factory settings, it was quite easy to tell the SB2 was somewhat out of focus, maybe the cymbal source sound came from about a 4 foot wide source of sound, with the touch in play sounded far more like a pin point source of sound, untill the mods were applied and they made the factory touch sound out of focus, by about a foot wide sound source point, to what now seems like a pin point sound source, in comparison... :-D Cool Stuff!! Put the long wire away, plugged in my SB2 as a wireless bridge, and lost some focus :-( -Going to try a linear psu for the SB2 soon one hopes- fingers crossed it may get close to the wired sound. Quite amazed at the effect of these mods, A HUGE THANK YOU, to you Klaus for developing such a modification toolkit, very clever stuff!! -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Cheers Dr Bob!! Downloaded :-D and errrmmm maybe I'll set the touch up wired straight to my router as I seem to be having some strange things happening, I have the touch wired to my SB2 which is acting as a wireless bridge, IP's/macs are set on the router, but change, after each reboot so it's a little trickey logging back in to the touch :-0 and the SB2 now thinks it is a touch too...Ooo Play more tomorrow :-) Cheers for the firefox tip! -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Thanks for your reply! Ah may be me then :-( as thats the link I've been trying... just tried it again hmmm -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Hi soundcheck, Is your famous tool box still available, not had a touch long and fancy giving it a wirl :-) I can't seem to download it, Internet Explorer was not able to open this internet site. A day or so before my Touch arrived, my router's psu gave up, replaced it with a linear regulated supply and could not quite believe it, but things seemed nicer to listen to, more concice, plugged in the touch when it arrived, and things improved again :-) So rather interested to try out your mods. Cheers DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Active Crossover as plugin or otherwise
Bit behind on the tech talk side of things, but, thinking to avoid the sync problem of two SB's could the software not seperate the left lo right lo left hi and right hi, put them on a DD signal and then out of the SB digi out, in to a nice AV processor, using the front channels for the left and rigt lo and the rear channels for the left and right hi forwared into power amps? One volume control on the av processor. Just a thought, I have an av processor acting as a stereo pre amp dac at the mo, channels spare ;-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Active Crossover as plugin or otherwise
Sorry, just to check what you are talking about, or more like do I understand what you are talking about ;-) Left signal from amp goes to left speaker, passive crossover in speaker blocks off low freq's to tweeter with capacitor.. and blocks high freq's with a coil thing.. to the woofer. Ditto with right side. Active crossover filters out the unwanted high and low bits before the signal gets to the amp(s), so one stereo amp for the tweeters and one stereo amp for the woofers, no wasted amp power... If I understand this crossover thing correctly, I'll reading any further comments with interest - Very Good Thinking, I like the idea. No passive crossovers and No active crossover, just software? Cool! :-D -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
Interesting reading, cheers John :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power cords
Like other cables I'd try before you buy, as I found different cables have a different effect. I prefered a £30 solid core copper power cable to a solid core twisted silver cord of £140, personal choice. The silver one was too smooth and lost clarity for my ears anyway. Ended up with a £90 solid core copper with vibration control of some sort, which gives the clarity I'm after and a more balancd sound across the board than the £30 copper one. I also found power cords affect the sound differently, dependant upon what they are plugged into. I found plugged into the power amp had the most noticable effect, my system my ears ;-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85602 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wired vs Wireless Thoughts and Q
Cheers :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85465 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wired vs Wireless Thoughts and Q
Have been following soundchecks thread with interest, so thought I would try an access point to take away the wireless card operation from my SB2. Can't get the access point to let the SB talk to the server ;-( after many hours of frustration over 3 weekends. Any way, just wired it today through the conservatory across the kitchen and lounge, no one else in ;-) Interesting, the soundstage shrunk considerably in depth, but opened out side to side amazingly, imaging/positioning in 2d, I guess, got far better, but lost some clarity. Just switched back to wireless, soundstage narrowed and deepened, clarity is back, but I'm missing the width and clearer imaging. Easy Q ;-) How do I get best of both worlds ? :D -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85465 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wired vs Wireless Thoughts and Q
Ah, I'll give Cat6 a go, who knows my head may like that better :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85465 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hifi rack: wood or glass shelves?
twheatley;598693 Wrote: bought the atacama rack. Not sure I'm that happy - the glass seems to vibrate a huge amount, though not audibly. What is audible is the increased sibilance which is very disappointing. Also somewhat surprising as I'm not using anything mechanical. Looks like the racks have points to shift vibs down to ground, have you got the rack base points nicely grounded? Maybe if you still have too much sibilance, try some cork, balsa, oak, or sorbothane under your components feet, have a play before shelling out on another rack :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB2 vs Touch Digital out, does it....
Cool -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83091 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB2 vs Touch Digital out, does it....
Cool a little tip, I like little tips to try :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83091 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB2 vs Touch Digital out, does it....
earwaxer9;587807 Wrote: That should cure some of the leanness. When you say some.. I'm guessing the transporter does a much better job of curing leanness? -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83091 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB2 vs Touch Digital out, does it....
Cheers ;-) Just read the Touch screen text is smaller than SB2... h Better sound but can't see what's going on, Ho Hum More reading/investigation needed I think. Thanks for your comments, Cheers! -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83091 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB2 vs Touch Digital out, does it....
Hi, After listening to a number of systems last weekend just for fun, I'm thinking my set up is a little delicate sounding, wonderful for slow chill out tracks, but not quite so good for in your face get up and dance tracks. I understand from various posts that the Touch generally sounds better than the SB classic, but would it add a little more bite / aggression? Maybe even a little more solid / thicker body to music? Cheers for any thoughts, DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83091 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 with Beresford Caiman
Interesting, thank you :) I don't suppose you've ever heard a Tag Mclaren AV32r? There is a second hand one I'm pondering upon at the moment,which I would only use as a pre/dac with a remote. Your new little dac sounds very interesting, I think if it had a remote, it would definatly be worth demoing. Thinking of that, I guess the SB remote volume wise could be used... Thanks again for your review. DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66216 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 with Beresford Caiman
Cheers, basically only thinking of it as an old good quality pre/dac for my SB. You may have confused things a little for me now saying how pleased you are with the Caiman and how well it performs ;) :) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66216 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] TAG AV32R any experiences with SB, SB+ or TP ?
Any thoughts / experiences shared appreciated. Cheers, DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65093 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mods to SB3/receiver in the UK
Views from another angle: http://www.avforums.com/forums/streamers-network-music-players/922807-audiocom-squeezebox-mods.html -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal player settings and setup
ermm...may be worth a quick look? http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37811 -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63689 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Coaxial Digital btw Squeezebox -- PS Audio DLIII
If you can, demo a few, just incase you hear a difference between the different cables and prefer one to another. I found a Chord Signature Digi Coax rather nice... my ears and my kit ;) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63449 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter with aftermarket power cord
Nonreality;419305 Wrote: I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not sure if the fix was a high priced power cord or maybe your old one was faulty. It would be nice if you could get another original to see. I don't know how old your system is but if it's still under warranty maybe you could get one for free just to see if it does the same. It would be interesting at least to see. Hm... it would be interesting, I'm pretty sure I have an old kettle lead in the loft, thats like a standard issue cable. If I have a chance over the weekend I'll have a dig around. -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62241 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3+ External DAC or Transporter...
My 1m is a tad too short, 2m min I think, 2m not so good as 1.5? -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum and Hiss
musicexpression - Oh I'd love it to make no hiss near max! :) I don't suppose there are any easy to swap out internal parts that may cause less hiss? - or does it come down to circuit design :o ? Yes, the humm and hiss gets louder with volume. In saying this I'd not noticed background noise untill I switched power cables (linear psu for my SB) not a huge difference by any means but enough to make me think. Hence, the interest to understand where the noise comes from and hopefully make things quiter still. The power cable I would say was a basic (after market one) at £60, so one would be under the impression a high end cable would make even more of a difference.. The previous flex was soldered in, and the £60 one is plugged in, I was thinking soldered was better than push fit, hence, I'm thinking cable technology. The only other things switched on are the fridge and a light, oh and pc. I'll test daytime without the fridge just for a short while, never know. Rca's have been in and out a good number of times recently so one would hope they are quite clean, and hopefully not getting worn out ;) Good couple of tips, Thank you. I'll try the power amp with no rca's plugged in, fingers crossed no humm, and SB straight to power amp Ta :) Phil - Yes I've switched between inputs on the pre/pro the hiss stays the same. (SB digi coax in, all other imputs have nothing plugged in) Good point! all my signal cables are will shielded. As for the power cables, the SB power cable I think is shileded - I'll check, the pre/pro is not, and the power amp is. Ah unfortunatly, due to the limited space layout both speaker cables and IC's run next to two metal cased (earthed) transformers - But, the speaker and IC manufacturer says 'don't need to worry about interference due to the number of dielectric layers and shielding on the cables... :) Oh how nice it would be to have no hiss or hum at max with nothing playing, ho hum, at least I'm giving it a shot :) Did you try not quite so expensive psu's to start with? Cheers Steve and TLegs for the halogen tip, we only have halogen in the bathroom. -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62723 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum and Hiss
Hiya, I understand it is quite normal to have a slight noise from your speakers when nothing is playing - please correct me if I'm wrong. When I have my ear next to the 6.5 drivers there is a slight humm, next to the tweeters there is a hiss. I have a pre amp processor that has the coax input from my squeezebox, just run in stereo, and a Power amp. When the pre/pro is off, power amp on, there is a slight humm, when the pre/pro comes on the hiss appears. I'm interested to learn as to what causes the hiss and the humm, and is there any way or any thing that can be done to lessen them. Many thanks for any thoughts. DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62723 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter with aftermarket power cord
Nonreality;416699 Wrote: You sound like you have a killer system but you had noise in the silent parts? I have to turn my average system up to the max to hear even the slightest noise and even then I'm not sure. A power cord (no fancy names here) made a difference? Over the ambient noise in your room? Did you have your ear pressed against the speaker? I'm just curious. Na, would not call it a killer system at all, but thank you for thinking it :) Sitting on the listening bean bag, at normal listening volume, I would not have called it noise in the quiet parts, I would have called it quiet, but now, after the changes it seems to be very quite... I hope you can follow my written thoughts. Ooo when I turn my system up with nothing playing it's quite easy to hear hum and hiss, maybe thats why the changes made a difference ;) :) DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62241 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter with aftermarket power cord
A smidge adrift, OT maybe, as in, SB rather than TP. Tinkering around at the weekend, I put an IEC socket on my linear psu, making it easy to try different mains leads, when ever I get round to doing so. So, the 1.5mm stranded 3 core flex soldered directly into my linear psu is no more, and a 2.5mm solid core 'damped' mains lead has taken its place. The difference was small, but especially noticable when no instruments are playing, gap in the tune, between tracks etc, don't know how but the gaps in the music seem absolutly silent now..??? May well try another design of lead, just to see if that has any different effect. A while ago I found that changing leads on my power amp made a small difference compared to changing the lead on the pre amp/processor. Therefore coming to the conclusion that the psu in the power amp does a far better job of utilizing the power it gets, than the psu in the pre amp/processor. IME power leads can make a difference but you need to try them before buying them, seeing if you hear a difference, and if you like that difference. DC :) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62241 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improving quality of original Squeezebox
Cheers! I'm just starting to try to understand the working of electronics in amps etc. and reading all this bits and bobs all helps to start filling in, the big big picture :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58554 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What custom feet are you using for your Squeezebox?
An old post: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33201highlight=isolation+feet At the moment my digi cable from my SB is not long enough to allow for any SB feet. Power amp and psu are on Oak discs with ball bearing inserts, next on the list to try are good old Brass spikes :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59052 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improving quality of original Squeezebox
dpuopolo - would you mind, posting a pic? so the ones of us that are interested and not knowing much about electronics and have a soldering iron, may be able to follow a picture while not understanding the electronic words. Many thanks :) DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58554 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Explain this, please.
Phil Leigh;377937 Wrote: I've noticed a recent trend of repeated claims for FLAC vs WAV streaming. I think it really is about time we nailed this once and for all. Streaming WAV is not an option for me since the high-res transcoding breaks (at least I think it does - not sure with the recent changes in this space). Hi, All my cd's are flac, it was a good while ago I played with streaming flac and wav, and settled on the one which does not allow fast forward or rewind from the remote, pretty sure its wav, simply to my ears it was worth loosing the ff frw functions compared with the better sounding music coming out. anyways.. Happy New Year ! DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57449 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] After a little help sorting a speaker inbalance problem.....
Ok, I have two speakers and that's it. Processor is listened to in stereo mode, using only main fronts L R outputs. No balance adjustments applied rhs is louder than lhs by roughly 4.5db (found by boosting lhs untill vocals are central) No balance adjustments applied. I tried using the rear suround outputs from the processor into the power amp in DD Prologic, it sounded terrible drop outs maybe every second or beat - is this right? But, the balance left to right was spot on. Back to the main front speaker outputs, drop outs as with the rears, sounded dreadful, and, the right was once again louder than the left. Leading me to believe something with the front two channels within the processor is a bit out of balance, well, from what I can work out about 4.5dB out. Thanks to everyone for helping!! I found placing a board behind the lhs speaker, roughly giving the same distance from rear ports as the rhs, seems to bring the lo freq's from the lower driver pretty much in line with the rhs once the 4.5dB boost is applied to the lhs channel Therefore very basic room and speaker adjustment with a bit of a boost on balance seems to have brought things much more in line with how they should be Hope above is clear and your thinking same as me Just a bit of a worry on the internals of the processor, do you know of anyone that may beable to fix the balance thing in the processor, or at least check out what I think is wrong? Many thanks again DC PS will hopefully confirm listening is pretty near normal with some more music tomorrow -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56940 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] After a little help sorting a speaker inbalance problem.....
alZmtbr;374116 Wrote: swap speakers left for right (or just the cabling)... sub in another set of speakers... verify with a set of headphones as far up that chain as possible... With no signal, gently move the cones - does any of them feel like they are 'dragging'? 2.2meters apart? How far back is your listening position? It should be near perfect triangle? Good luck! ~a Cheers, good idea, will hopefully swap them around today if I finish work early enough - fingers crossed. Had not thought about the cabling yet, will swap speakers first and see result and then cables if need be :-) Where would I push on the cone, towards the center? I guess not the dome in the middle as that may dent :o Listening position (once I have a chair) should be pretty much 2.2m away from each speaker, at the moment its approx 2.4m from each, I'm on the floor against the wall. Thanks :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56940 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] After a little help sorting a speaker inbalance problem.....
mswlogo;374170 Wrote: It could easily be the room and speaker placement. Is by any chance the louder one closer to the corner of a room? I agree with the prior post. Swap it to confirm. Ah, I would have said the less noisy one (LHS) is more in the corner 130mm from the side wall and 290 from the back wall, however, the louder one (RHS) is 240mm form the side and 240 from the back wall, with the preamp standing on its side flat against the wall :o with the source psu on top of it :o giving a gap of 100mm to the two rear ports on the rhs speaker. I know component positioning is far from ideal, but do you think this closeness to the rear ports will give the extra oomph to the rhs speaker? I'll swap em over and see, fingers crossed its postitioning of speakers and components rather than an equipment fault. cheers :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56940 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] After a little help sorting a speaker inbalance problem.....
An update, that I would appreciate comments on as to if I'm thinking along the right lines: Before I switching the speakers L to R to test for room/speaker positioning causing the inbalance, I tried the following with the pre/dac balance set as 0 on L and 0 on R: lhs speaker quiet, rhs speaker loud swap speaker cables at power amp lhs speaker loud rhs speaker quiet different from yesterdays test:confused: but going by above - not speakers at fault - not speaker cable at fault - not room/speaker position at fault next lhs quiet, rhs loud swap rca L R into power amp lhs loud, rhs quiet swap rca L R out of pre/dac lhs quiet, rhs loud - not power amp at fault - not IC rca's at fault next lhs quiet, rhs loud change digi coax source input on pre/dac from CD input to DVD input lhs quiet, rhs loud - possibly internal dac/pre faulty - possibly source faulty Going by its the first time I've used the pre/dac, I'm somewhat concerned its that which is buggered. Other things I should try...? Another digital source (is the source at fault) Another digital coax? (could these cause a channel inbalance?) An analogue source, to bypass the dac in the pre/dac. :( it may be my new second hand pre/dac, do you think I'm on the right lines? Cheers for any further thoughts, DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56940 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] After a little help sorting a speaker inbalance problem.....
Hiya, Just wondered if you may be able to help? I've shifted the stereo gear to the opposite side of the room, and think I may have discovered a fault... The speakers, before moving, were approx. 1.3m apart and I always thought there may have been a slight inbalance one being slightly louder than the other but nothing too much to worry about, singers were just slightly off center. Now the speakers are approx. 2.2m apart and the singers are pretty close to the RH speaker and I've had to tweak up the LH balance about 4.5dB to bring the singers to center stage. While sat listening, things seem ok, but get up and move around and the LH speaker does not seem to have the same low end, and therefore the RH speaker seems to have more welly. I've swapped the speaker cables at the power amp output and the actual LH speaker still seems the same - So I'm thinking the LH speaker it's self is at fault? The speakers are floorstanding and have two 6 drivers and a tweeter each. From listening I'm thinking the lower freq's come from the bottom 6 cone which seem to blend to mids listening to the upper 6 cone, hi freq's from the tweeter. The LH speaker still has a lower volume coming out its lower cone (once trimed with +4.5dB) as far as I can tell, when compared to the RH speaker. I would love any pointers as to how I may test this further to find the problem and hopefully rectify the inbalance. (Oh, I have listened facing away from the speakers just to count out my ears ) Very much look forward to hearing from you. Many thanks DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56940 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Loss from Ethernet Cable?
Phil Leigh;352192 Wrote: Mental Note to Self Never - ever - resurrect an old thread /Mental Note to Self Wot old Thread ? :) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41268 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Virtual Dynamics Power 3 2000% Profit Margin
nuhi;336109 Wrote: Because it is immoral to sell cables for these prices knowing that all the sonic difference is based on a placebo effect. I for one, in some people's eyes pay silly money for cables, and, I don't care if its placebo or a technical reality, what ever it is, it's been well worth the £5 pcm for the last 4 years (since last cable purchase). Simply down to the gain in pleasure and enjoyment of listening to music. These purchases are throughly researched and tested, untill, I'm happy to part with the hard earnt cash. If the gain is not worth all the hard work and parting with the cash, the gain comes from else where, food ;-) Basically I'm saying if spending cash on something that's going to bring you lasting enjoyment, does it matter what it is? If as you say its placebo, why has someone not invented the holiday feeling pill for normal work days :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45323 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Virtual Dynamics Power 3 2000% Profit Margin
Story so far: I have a linear psu feeding a SB via coax to an AVR200 that I use as a dac and pre, feeding a Maia, into a couple of Ditton floor standers. Quite a basic system to some Ive heard but I actually prefer it to some far more expensive kit Ive heard, eg a Naim set up was wonderfully open but far too top endy for me, an FMJ Arcam system gave a wonderful sound stage but far too smooth and soft for me, hence the playing with tweeks to see if my system can be opened up and soundstage improved, and to my pleasure it is working I have no iec socket on the SB psu as I hard wired the cable straight in, so cant try the VDP3 on that, as of yet anyway. A while back tried a solid silver mains cable that came highly recommended, from its supplier, and to my ears it did fab things, opened things right up and things sounded much better, I had no idea a mains cable could have such an effect, no need to look further I thought. (I found it to have far more effect plugged into the AVR than the Maia, so that is where it stays). Then came along and offer to try a solid core copper cable with some sort of vibration control, via a friends friends colleague, so history is a bit of an unknown, it looks new to my amazement the vocals were so much clearer, the silver cable made things smooth, the copper seemed to give a bit more bite and clarity improved. With some tracks using the Cu cable on the AVR, you could quite easily picture the singers lips with the sound coming directly from the singers mouth just a few feet in front of me Cool Stuff! The silver one went to live in the cupboard after two days, and I bought the Cu one. Four weeks later my VDP3 turned up, thinking a cable ½ the price of the silver one aint going to sound so good. I plugged it in the AVR which is the position in which a power cable seems to have most effect in my system. The sound changed totally, the bite had gone and the sound was small and recessed, not at all in the room, the only plus was that there was more detail. Clearly, I preferred my Cu power cable, with bite and clarity and the in the room feel, however, I was missing the detail I had heard in the VDP3, put it back for its burn in period which aint short. It worked out quite well, for about a month only the tv was watched, so it burnt in without me having to listen to the, not so good, music presentation. I then had two days working at home so had music playing all day reasonably loud and I was quite surprised I was comfortable listening, hmmm. A couple of weeks on: Okay, Im listening to the VDP3 at the moment, it should have had plenty of time to burn in by now, soundstage is nice, instruments seem to have their own locations in 3D space, bass controlled and deep, vocals forward and center, PRaT are rather agreeable. Very pleasant, only thing, I like the, forward in the room sound, and the sound stage could be set slightly more forward towards me to get the total surrounded immersion in music I like, and have not achieved with my set up as of yet ... but one is getting closer Switch back to the old solid core Cu cable: Ah, noticeable loss in clarity and detail Sound stage shrunk Pace so so much better Bass actually deeper but not so controlled Vocals so much more in the room feel Lack of detail is starting to grate Back to the VDP3 Much smoother on the ears. Old solid core to the cupboard. To think I was really impressed with the initial solid silver one and then impressed more with the solid Cu core one and now even more with the VDP3. Just shows me Im at the beginning of what could be a long long investigation and listening adventure, and that things you dont think will affect the music, can, in varying ways. Cool stuff! Any one know if the other VD power cables bring the soundstage more towards ones listing position? Cheers One happy Bunny (I have not pulled it apart though ;) ) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45323 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone played with a Linn AV5103 ?
2 years down the line :o Many thanks to everyone!! for there comments. Err don't quite know where the 2 years have gone, still have pretty much the same set up, apart form a new power cable and 6 iso feet.time flys a! Cheers :) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24785 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: Virtual Dynamics Power 3 � 2000% Profit Margin
Interesting.. I believe I have a Power 3, on a boat, on its way to me, me thinks it could be a while getting here, but when it does, I'll pitch it against a nice solid core silver cable I have. Sound wise ;-) not build quality wise ;-) :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45323 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 mods
Hay Zanash, you have a SB don't you? Have you done anything to the insides of it? -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43433 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 mods
Ta Zanash, this sort stuff, got mine in Wicks though: http://www.screwfix.com/prods/94496/Sealants-Adhesives/Tapes/Insulating-Sealing-Tape/Flashing-Tape-100mm-x-10m;jsessionid=SZJTZKTED0TTSCSTHZOSFFQ My psu case when bashed with a handle of a screwdriver rang quite nicely, after sticking on the tape, it gives a dull thud, dampens something gubbins wise in side and sounds better to me ;-) Have not had the balls to take apart my SB yet to see if a similar effect would be achieved :o -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43433 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 mods
Have you lined the case of your linear psu with flashing tape? I was quite supprised to hear a noticable difference. Oh and an unswitched MK power point helps too :D I have not got round to trying different mains cables yet for the psu, but that maybe another area to try. -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43433 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Photo of your Transporter setup, Please!
riffer, what are those little blocks made of under all your feet :) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41527 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
