Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
mswlogo;551752 Wrote: Better yet. Why don't you read the actualy thread I explained myself in rather than read it here out of context. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79245 I replied to this thread with a LINK to that because someone asked if I had posted information about some testing further up in this thread. So, if I read properly, you assume there are two types of jitter : peak-to-peak and clock drift jitter. Then, you come to the conclusion that, as clock drift cannot be affected by the cable and the peak-to-peak is not affected in the measures, then the cable makes no difference. Yes, but : how do you interpret what Nugent says ? : http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue43/jitter.htm -- Themis SBT - North Star dac 192 - Croft 25Pre and Series 7 power - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
mswlogo;551887 Wrote: You points on A and B are correct. But you'd have to have one really F'd up setup for those to occur (and have cables significantly change it). I have tons of Meridian boxes and never found a digital cable to make any difference. Meridian gear is top-notch stuff, so if it happens to be very immune to noise on the ground plane and deals with incoming jitter well, that would be no surprise. Some of the boutique audiophile gear that people say demonstrate differences in digital cables is probably not so well engineered. But to put things in context: I personally have never heard any significant differences between digital transports or cables. Any differences that I think I may have detected were most likely imagined, because they were sighted comparisons. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
mswlogo;550412 Wrote: They are both absolutely 100% bit perfect (TosLink and Coax, Wifi and Wired). I've recorded the SPDIF on both and neither will miss a bit. Only difference may be jitter. But as dicussed elsewhere a good DAC will take care of that. Interesting, I've never found a DAC that can completely eliminate jitter and I've tried a few, including a Bel Canto DAC2 (that supposedly reclocked) and my existing Meridian 568.2 that uses some clever FIFO. On both DACs, different quality digital sources sounded different, implying that neither was fully successful in eliminating jitter. -- Mr_Sukebe SB Touch, Meridian 568.2, Bel Canto Evo2i, Impulse Ta'us, Coherent system, audio-technica and Zanash cables, Stillpoints Mr_Sukebe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
Mr_Sukebe;551811 Wrote: Interesting, I've never found a DAC that can completely eliminate jitter and I've tried a few, including a Bel Canto DAC2 (that supposedly reclocked) and my existing Meridian 568.2 that uses some clever FIFO. On both DACs, different quality digital sources sounded different, implying that neither was fully successful in eliminating jitter. Not necessarily. Just because a DAC sounds different does not necessarily mean jitter is involved... every DAC has a slightly different filtering circuit after the DAC and a slightly different analogue output stage and so will have a signature sound of its own. DAC's are no different to any other source component - they all have their own take on what the output should sound like. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
Phil Leigh;551821 Wrote: Not necessarily. Just because a DAC sounds different does not necessarily mean jitter is involved... every DAC has a slightly different filtering circuit after the DAC and a slightly different analogue output stage and so will have a signature sound of its own. DAC's are no different to any other source component - they all have their own take on what the output should sound like. Phil, I think you've misunderstood what Mr_Sukebe is saying. He is saying that he hears differences in output *from the same DAC* when using different SPDIF sources. So he's not comparing one DAC to another. That said, I remain unconvinced that jitter is the cause of these differences. Too many people say that there are only two things that can possibly distinguish digital sources: the bits they deliver, and the jitter. Not so - there are two another possible sources of difference that I can think of: a). The EMI radiated by the devices which can affect the operation of other nearby analogue circuitry. b). Grounding topology which may allow noise to transfer between the ground planes of devices. On unbalanced devices, the ground plane becomes part of the signal (in that the actual signal is in fact the difference between the signal and ground). Therefore if there is any noise on the ground plane it gets interpreted as signal. (*Perfect* shunting of the ground plane to earth is of course impossible). -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
cliveb;551849 Wrote: Phil, I think you've misunderstood what Mr_Sukebe is saying. He is saying that he hears differences in output *from the same DAC* when using different SPDIF sources. So he's not comparing one DAC to another. That said, I remain unconvinced that jitter is the cause of these differences. Too many people say that there are only two things that can possibly distinguish digital sources: the bits they deliver, and the jitter. Not so - there are two another possible sources of difference that I can think of: a). The EMI radiated by the devices which can affect the operation of other nearby analogue circuitry. b). Grounding topology which may allow noise to transfer between the ground planes of devices. On unbalanced devices, the ground plane becomes part of the signal (in that the actual signal is in fact the difference between the signal and ground). Therefore if there is any noise on the ground plane it gets interpreted as signal. (*Perfect* shunting of the ground plane to earth is of course impossible). erm yes...you are right, I misread it. Sorry Mr Sukube. I think your item B is of great interest, plus contamination of the mains from RFI. I've been playing with my RFI sniffer. Some interesting results so far, but it's too early to form any definite conclusions. I'm in the processs of switching to shielded mains cables... (I already had them on half my equipment). One thing - the amount of RFI from the mains lead of my (LCD) TV in standby is worrying... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
cliveb;551849 Wrote: Phil, I think you've misunderstood what Mr_Sukebe is saying. He is saying that he hears differences in output *from the same DAC* when using different SPDIF sources. So he's not comparing one DAC to another. That said, I remain unconvinced that jitter is the cause of these differences. Too many people say that there are only two things that can possibly distinguish digital sources: the bits they deliver, and the jitter. Not so - there are two another possible sources of difference that I can think of: a). The EMI radiated by the devices which can affect the operation of other nearby analogue circuitry. b). Grounding topology which may allow noise to transfer between the ground planes of devices. On unbalanced devices, the ground plane becomes part of the signal (in that the actual signal is in fact the difference between the signal and ground). Therefore if there is any noise on the ground plane it gets interpreted as signal. (*Perfect* shunting of the ground plane to earth is of course impossible). You points on A and B are correct. But you'd have to have one really F'd up setup for those to occur (and have cables significantly change it). I have tons of Meridian boxes and never found a digital cable to make any difference. I've done similar experiments that I posted and recorded the signal right at the digital tape output of 861 to assure data was perfect from rip to processor. -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter/DuetController SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 DuetReceiver SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
mswlogo;551495 Wrote: I know that, but some don't seem to believe it. SB3 is a perfect SPDIF deliverer too (both toslink and SPDIF). CO2 converts perfectly and TASCAM records perfectly. All that is left is jitter. And if your DAC buffers/reclocks that gets rid of all peak to peak jitter. So people must have really bad DACs if they can hear differences between toslink vs coax and this cable or that. I know you know that I know you know ... :-) I wish I could find that thread where Sean attacked a Toslink cable with various tools to try and make it jitter... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
mswlogo;551495 Wrote: So people must have really bad DACs if they can hear differences between toslink vs coax and this cable or that. You are talking about the SPDIF receivers, not the dacs, surely ? -- Themis SBT - North Star dac 192 - Croft 25Pre and Series 7 power - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
Themis;551675 Wrote: You are talking about the SPDIF receivers, not the dacs, surely ? Please allow me to respectfully disagree to your above assumption. As you are not talking about jitter anymore, what are you talking about, exactly ? ;) I'm talking about how robust SPDIF communication is. And if you have a Good DAC (that buffers/reclocks - many do) it doesn't matter what you use for an SPDIF cable (TosLink or Coax). -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter/DuetController SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 DuetReceiver SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
Themis;551675 Wrote: You are talking about the SPDIF receivers, not the dacs, surely ? Please allow me to respectfully disagree to your above assumption. As you are not talking about jitter anymore, what are you talking about, exactly ? ;) Better yet. Why don't you read the actualy thread I explained myself in rather than read it here out of context. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79245 I replied to this thread with a LINK to that because someone asked if I had posted information about some testing further up in this thread. -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter/DuetController SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 DuetReceiver SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
If you are recording and diffing s/pdif you will never see jitter. Jitter will only manifest post-DAC (assuming decent, working equipment - which you do have!). For jitter to manifest pre-DAC it would have to be so severe as to change the bitstream - which we all know it doesn't in the SB2/3/TP/Touch devices. All the evidence available points to the conclusion that the Touch and TP are pretty much perfect deliverers of s/pdif to a DAC... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
Phil Leigh;551440 Wrote: If you are recording and diffing s/pdif you will never see jitter. Jitter will only manifest post-DAC (assuming decent, working equipment - which you do have!). For jitter to manifest pre-DAC it would have to be so severe as to change the bitstream - which we all know it doesn't in the SB2/3/TP/Touch devices. All the evidence available points to the conclusion that the Touch and TP are pretty much perfect deliverers of s/pdif to a DAC... I know that, but some don't seem to believe it. SB3 is a perfect SPDIF deliverer too (both toslink and SPDIF). CO2 converts perfectly and TASCAM records perfectly. All that is left is jitter. And if your DAC buffers/reclocks that gets rid of all peak to peak jitter. So people must have really bad DACs if they can hear differences between toslink vs coax and this cable or that. -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter/DuetController SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 DuetReceiver SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
Once you got the Transporter, you shall better use AES3 than S/PDIF, but note that you need DAC in 5000$ range to beat the Transporter (which is still, questionable) -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
On 25/05/10 07:35, michael123 wrote: Once you got the Transporter, you shall better use AES3 than S/PDIF Not necessarily. See previous posts on this subject (AES/EBU vs. S/PDIF) R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
michael123;550335 Wrote: Once you got the Transporter, you shall better use AES3 than S/PDIF, but note that you need DAC in 5000$ range to beat the Transporter (which is still, questionable) +1 on Robin's comment. In this specific case I can add that I plan to use coax over BNC and that the DAC in question, while not in that price range, has a distinctive sound that is a better match for my taste as well as the rest of my equipment. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
Don't get me wrong I love my Transporter. But it's had the over voltage problem since I bought it (couple years now) and it's a simple firmware bug that has not been fixed. I would not buy one today unless this bug was fixed. It does not happen often, but would you buy a car that just quits on you in the middle of highway once a month. Even though it runs fine the rest of the time and starts right back up. What would your passengers think. Absolute sin. Just buy a touch. It will be supported for a while. As far as digital differences I doubt you'll hear any difference. I didn't hear ANY difference going from SqueezeBox 3 to Transporter using an external DAC. -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter/DuetController SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 DuetReceiver SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
I was asked this week for some comments via bugzilla for this specific bug, there is a hope it will be fixed (for 7.6?) -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
bhaagensen;550370 Wrote: +1 on Robin's comment. In this specific case I can add that I plan to use coax over BNC and that the DAC in question, while not in that price range, has a distinctive sound that is a better match for my taste as well as the rest of my equipment. coax over BNC is BNC in my language :-) It is a better connection (and different parts inside the Transporter last time I've seen it). It has transformer and 50 Ohm impedance. -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
michael123;550404 Wrote: mswlogo I was asked this week for some comments via bugzilla for this specific bug, there is a hope it will be fixed (for 7.6?) btw, I did hear the difference between SB3 and Transporter... Flat sound of SB3 was the reason it migrated to the bedroom and I got Transporter.. They are both absolutely 100% bit perfect (TosLink and Coax, Wifi and Wired). I've recorded the SPDIF on both and neither will miss a bit. Only difference may be jitter. But as dicussed elsewhere a good DAC will take care of that. -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter/DuetController SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 DuetReceiver SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
mswlogo;550412 Wrote: They are both absolutely 100% bit perfect (TosLink and Coax, Wifi and Wired). I've recorded the SPDIF on both and neither will miss a bit. Only difference may be jitter. But as dicussed elsewhere a good DAC will take care of that. With my audiolab 8000AP it did not sound well.. anyway, there are huge differences in construction of SB3, Touch and Transporter. -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
michael123;550424 Wrote: With my audiolab 8000AP it did not sound well.. anyway, there are huge differences in construction of SB3, Touch and Transporter. Yes construction is different. most of Transporter's construction is for beefing up it's analog section. -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter/DuetController SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 DuetReceiver SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
mswlogo;550412 Wrote: I've recorded the SPDIF on both and neither will miss a bit. Only difference may be jitter. Ah, interesting. You're then among the few ones who have actually looked into this in some detail. Is the testing setup/result/disclaimers/etc detalied somewhere on the internet-accessible? -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
mswlogo;550437 Wrote: Yes construction is different. most of Transporter's construction is for beefing up it's analog section. But the digital section has certainly not been neglected, at least c.f. official data concerning jitter. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)
Hi, firstly, I've read most of the threads on this topic. Secondly, I will do a listening test myself at some point. But for now... Two questions. They are rather (over) simplified, strict, and probably flawed in many other ways. Nonetheless, on the other hand they perhaps could add something new to the discussion. Please answer both questions by indicating a number between 1 and 10. 10 is the top-reference defined by the TP. 1 is some guesstimated low/average-end level representing the big mass of consumer level electronics. Other comments are of course also appreciated. 1. In pure technical terms (i.e. design, quality of components, implementation, measurements, etc), how does the (output of the) coaxial digital output of the Touch compare to the Transporter. 2. Assuming use of good quality cable, connectors, and external DAC. How does the coaxial output of the Touch compare to the Transporter in terms of end sound quality. This is obviously much more subjective than 1, and rather than digging deep into each answer, I'd rather get many answers to gather some mass of opinions. Thanks in advance. Regards Bjørn -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
