Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Jeff07971 wrote: > Isn't that just integrating LMS and Shazam ? :) Damn. I was trying to avoid plagiarizing Alexa and didn't see the obvious. I don't know how Shazam reacts to the harmonica or to beat boxing, though. I'm sure we could have a plugin for that. 4 SB 3 Libratone Zipp Mini iPeng (iPhone + iPad) Squeezebox Server 7.9 (linux) with plugins: CD Player, WaveInput, Triode's BBC iPlayer by bpa IRBlaster by Gwendesign (Felix) Server Power Control by Gordon Harris Smart Mix, Music Walk With Me, What Was That Tune? by Michael Herger PowerSave by Jason Holtzapple Song Info, Song Lyrics by Erland Isaksson AirPlay Bridge by philippe_44 WeatherTime by Martin Rehfeld Auto Dim Display, SaverSwitcher, ContextMenu by Peter Watkins. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
epoch1970 wrote: > I'd rather use a microphone. Then you'd be free to use any old > gramophone to control your stereo. And if you could sing the song, > perhaps the Pi could recognize that too, just in case the gramo breaks > down. Success!? Isn't that just integrating LMS and Shazam ? :) *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezePlayer,PiCorePlayer x3,Wandboard *Server:* LMS Version: 7.9.0 - 1453293926 on Centos 7 VM on ESXi 6 on HP N54L *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
epoch1970 wrote: > I'd rather use a microphone. Then you'd be free to use any old > gramophone to control your stereo. And if you could sing the song, > perhaps the Pi could recognize that too, just in case the gramo breaks > down. Success!? Great idea! Perhaps leave a recorder or harmonica next to your stereo? "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Julf wrote: > How about a cheap USB vinyl player, and a RPi that analyzes the music to > identify the track and album in order to play the digital version? :) I'd rather use a microphone. Then you'd be free to use any old gramophone to control your stereo. And if you could sing the song, perhaps the Pi could recognize that too, just in case the gramo breaks down. Success!? 4 SB 3 Libratone Zipp Mini iPeng (iPhone + iPad) Squeezebox Server 7.9 (linux) with plugins: CD Player, WaveInput, Triode's BBC iPlayer by bpa IRBlaster by Gwendesign (Felix) Server Power Control by Gordon Harris Smart Mix, Music Walk With Me, What Was That Tune? by Michael Herger PowerSave by Jason Holtzapple Song Info, Song Lyrics by Erland Isaksson AirPlay Bridge by philippe_44 WeatherTime by Martin Rehfeld Auto Dim Display, SaverSwitcher, ContextMenu by Peter Watkins. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
I definitely don't miss physical media and much prefer my listening room without a cd lined wall. I find the biggest problem is just how large my collection has become over the years, so much so that I've forgotten what lies at the core of my musical tastes. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Flipping through albums on a shelf is a physical effort that I often miss (CDs not so much).Trying to emulate that on a phone will never work well. Doing so on a laptop or tablet comes closer with software that will display reasonable-sized album art that you can scroll through. I always liked that about LMS in fact. iPeng also does this reasonably well. Roon is even better with larger artwork and quick navigation. I recently picked up the large iPad Pro - very nice for this purpose. Maybe once the 3D glasses and headsets become better, our personal holodeck will allow a similar immersion. Still, something is lost in the process. On the other hand, I can remember many times when I just didn't have (or make) the time to mess with physical media... I believe I listened to a lot more FM radio back in those days. Mike (1 SB3, 1 Duet, 1 Boom, 2 Touch, 1 SB Radio) mdconnelly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
cliveb wrote: > One other thing. Sometimes I'll be in the middle of listening to one > album and another album pops into my head that I want to hear next. It > may be related, but other times nothing at all to do with the current > one. From then on, while I still want to hear the rest of the current > album, there's a feeling of impatience because I'm looking forward to > the next one. Anyone else like that, or am I just weird? I do exactly the same. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
epoch1970 wrote: > I had an idea that a coffee table book, one album per page with a > printed bar code to play or add to the playlist would be a nice, > relaxed, and nearly offline interface to LMS. > Having experienced an intolerable amount of pain achieving mass > generation of reasonably good looking PDFs, and given the design of most > hand-held barcode readers, I left the idea at that. > > There is also an alternative with NFC tags that you could stick to > booklets. More expensive and longer deployment, but interesting IMHO. I > remember a post years ago in DIY about an LMS system driven by NFC tags. How about a cheap USB vinyl player, and a RPi that analyzes the music to identify the track and album in order to play the digital version? :) I did start a project to interface an old electromechanical jukebox, but realized how limited the choice of music would be, unless I changed all the labels to software-controllable displays - and that would have turned it into a rather extensive project... "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
cliveb wrote: > ... nor can I envisage any interface that would be capable of doing it. I had an idea that a coffee table book, one album per page with a printed bar code to play or add to the playlist would be a nice, relaxed, and nearly offline interface to LMS. Having experienced an intolerable amount of pain achieving mass generation of reasonably good looking PDFs, and given the design of most hand-held barcode readers, I left the idea at that. There is also an alternative with NFC tags that you could stick to booklets. More expensive and longer deployment, but interesting IMHO. I remember a post years ago in DIY about an LMS system driven by NFC tags. 4 SB 3 Libratone Zipp Mini iPeng (iPhone + iPad) Squeezebox Server 7.9 (linux) with plugins: CD Player, WaveInput, Triode's BBC iPlayer by bpa IRBlaster by Gwendesign (Felix) Server Power Control by Gordon Harris Smart Mix, Music Walk With Me, What Was That Tune? by Michael Herger PowerSave by Jason Holtzapple Song Info, Song Lyrics by Erland Isaksson AirPlay Bridge by philippe_44 WeatherTime by Martin Rehfeld Auto Dim Display, SaverSwitcher, ContextMenu by Peter Watkins. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
cliveb wrote: > One other thing. Sometimes I'll be in the middle of listening to one > album and another album pops into my head that I want to hear next. It > may be related, but other times nothing at all to do with the current > one. From then on, while I still want to hear the rest of the current > album, there's a feeling of impatience because I'm looking forward to > the next one. Anyone else like that, or am I just weird? I have that pretty often - a feature I keep wishing for is a "playlist stack" where I can put the current playlist on hold, start a new temporary one, and then return back to the original one at some point. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
The one thing I miss about the days of physical media is that my CDs used to be in a great big wall rack arranged alphabetically like books. I would wander up to it and let my eyes do a sort of "random walk", flitting around the CD spines until I happened upon an album that took my fancy. No digital organisation mechanism I've seen supports that kind of model, nor can I envisage any interface that would be capable of doing it. These days I tend to just scroll up and down the list of artists until I find someone I want to hear. Sometimes it's really difficult to make a decision. One other thing. Sometimes I'll be in the middle of listening to one album and another album pops into my head that I want to hear next. It may be related, but other times nothing at all to do with the current one. From then on, while I still want to hear the rest of the current album, there's a feeling of impatience because I'm looking forward to the next one. Anyone else like that, or am I just weird? Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
My music listening is typically based on my looking through folders, and remembering "oh wow totally forgot about this". I also regularly erase many playlists I got bored off and kinda start from scratch. I do have a folder with "Best of" micro-playlists for all my age long favorites, and regularly use the micro-playlists to compile new versions of the old and the new. I haven't come across a piece of software that kinda supports my unpredictably moody music listening habits, and have always founf the problem with playlists and big libraries is one ends up with too many of them. And don't you ever change the drive name for your music. Mine is still called "500G" even though these days it's a 4TB drive. :-D ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 12) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Thanks for the insight, mdconnelly. I've got over 5,500 albums in my collection with 57,000 some-odd tracks and rarely have a problem finding what I want. I suspect Roon is certainly a boon when one is exploring connections one didn't know about or wandering idly around. And, I appreciate that if one is an enthusiastic reader of liner notes, artist & composer bios and the like, that Roon would be a helpful advance. Me? I just mainly listen to the music, and typically don't have a strong interest in knowing that this composer wrote this song in memory of when his dog ran away when he was age 10 or that artist played rhythm guitar on someone else's 1956 one-hit wonder. I will sometimes "lose" a song -- have the tune stuck in my head but for the life of me can't remember the artist or title. It'd be nice to have something to help with that, but I'm not quite sure how Roon would work in that area. And, I'm not sure its worth $120 a year when this situation pops up 2 or 3 times a year. Still looking for something about Roon that really grabs my attention. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
I grew up listening to music by first selecting what I wanted to listen to and then cueing it up.As my collection grew, I would occasionally flip through my bins of albums, later CDs, seeing if something hit my fancy. I organized albums by genre and even had a bin of "favorites". This worked fine when my total collection numbered in the hundreds at most. Fast forward 40 years... I now have several thousand albums, most now in digital form either by ripping and tagging or buying online and downloading. Until Roon, my approach to what to listen to, however, was still the same -- either first picking what I wanted to listen to or flipping through the virtual bins. LMS/iPeng made it easy to flip, but with out any added value other than the choice to select by genre, album title, artist or favorites. Quicker by far that searching the stacks, but still conceptually the same. Roon has taken it a major step forward by reinventing the music discovery process enabled by their slick UI and depth of metadata. In truth, I still often know what I want to listen to and just select that within Roon - no better or worse than with LMS/iPeng. But, when I sit down to peruse my music on my iPad or laptop via Roon, I learn far more about what I'm listening to and, more importantly, rediscover albums that I've long forgotten (or discover new music on Tidal). This greatly enriches and broadens my music listening experience. It did not take me long to feel that Roon lifetime was worth the price. I've spent far more on far dumber audio-investments. In my opinion, Slimdevices and the Squeezebox revolutionized how we collect, manage and play music.Roon has revolutionized how we listen to it. Mike (1 SB3, 1 Duet, 1 Boom, 2 Touch, 1 Radio & heavy use of iPeng on various iThings) mdconnelly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
garym wrote: > I'd say no, you haven't missed anything. Perhaps the idea that it is a > server that is agnostic to many different player endpoints but is > fortunately NOT generic/not useful DLNA. Yes that ambition to play on almost any endpoint (expect upnp/dlna) Julf wrote: > But you are still at the mercy of a provider of a proprietary system. :( As always, the mother of all proprietary systems iTunes for example :( I also dislike proprietary systems as much as anyone else :( ,but these guys have no hardware to sell to finance the software as SLIM/Logitech did so charge for their software they must if they want to have a business . Another thing happened metadata of any quality has been monetised , thats why free projekt struggle to get lyrics pictures reviews and other stuff . A large chunk of the ROON fee goes to metadata providers . If a comercial program show your cover image from you files thats probably ok but what if it subtitutes with a higher rez one from the internet ? thst probably some IP rigth there . My pow i do like nice aditional data when i listen i have my iPad nearby and using iPeng with suitable plugins read bios and have a clance at credits pictures etc , is that the artist info plugin that gives me that . They provide SDK for hardware manufacturers for RAAT ok but thats not really free software ? Why cant any hobbyist roll their own player . Logitech could grove a bussines around mysqueezebox.com by selling that acess to hardware manufacturers making replacement squeezeboxes . or maybe the protocols used in our boxes starting showing thier age ? I also whished that you could source players endpionts software and servers indepedently , but then you fall down to upnp . LMS do provide that sort of :) and its suprisingly resiliant ? I wonder why we survive ,of course all the free time entusiast use to maintain the system especially Mherger . I start to develop a theory that we are on the backburner rather than abandoned , maybe Logitech keeps the infrastructure just in case and it probably provide some small revenue from service providers . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Julf wrote: > But you are still at the mercy of a provider of a proprietary system. :( > Yes, you are insofar as the software is concerned. From a hardware perspective you're free to make your own decisions and from an underlying audio library perspective Roon leaves all that untouched...so at the end of the day your only exposure is loss of functionality if Roon was no longer supported. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
mlsstl wrote: > I've looked at Roon and am not sure I'm interested. Its two strong > points seem to be an attractive graphic interface and the ability to > bring its own, additional metadata (tags) to the party. > > The first item is kind of a "meh" for me -- I play my stereo in order to > listen to music and the LMS/Squeezebox system works great for this. The > latter seems interesting, since it appears it'd add more info to what > I've collected in my own system, but then I'm currently not having too > hard a time finding the music I want to listen to. > > So that's where I stand right now -- some interesting possibilities but > it hardly seems worth a $120 annual subscription or $500 fee up front. > > Have I missed something?I was a Squeezebox/LMS user from early 2000's through > to earlier this year. It is a great music streaming solution, and still the only thing I'd recommend to anyone if they weren't going to use Roon. Fundamentally what Roon provides me with from a user experience perspective is deeper and richer ways to explore my music collection, something that just isn't possible with LMS. Some examples: I like to read artist biographies and album reviews. Other artists, albums, composers etc. named therein can be clicked through from within the biographies or reviews. Let's say I like Simon Phillips' work as a drummer and would like to find every album in my library where he makes an appearance...simply go to an album he appears in or search for him as an artist and click through...you'll be presented a complete list of albums in your library he's appeared on, many of which may be complete surprises to you unless you're a walking encyclopedia of music. If it's something I'm going to want to come back to often I can bookmark that and any other filtered result I care to see without having to redefine/ re-specify the criteria. If I want to see all albums released by a specific record label within a selected genre(s) that's pretty simple too. I can browse all Soundtracks, EPs, Singles or any combination of genres, years, decades, audio formats etc. at the touch of a button. When I'm browsing an artist I can see their main albums, Singles and EPs and appearances logically arranged. I also have at my fingertips a list of artists that are Similar To, Followed By, Influenced By and Associated With that artist. Whilst this kind of exploration may not appeal to everyone, I find it incredibly useful, it's something I've always wanted to be an integral part of my listening experience and unfortunately it's something LMS simply cannot provide. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
mlsstl wrote: > I've looked at Roon and am not sure I'm interested. Its two strong > points seem to be an attractive graphic interface and the ability to > bring its own, additional metadata (tags) to the party. > > The first item is kind of a "meh" for me -- I play my stereo in order to > listen to music and the LMS/Squeezebox system works great for this. The > latter seems interesting, since it appears it'd add more info to what > I've collected in my own system, but then I'm currently not having too > hard a time finding the music I want to listen to. > > So that's where I stand right now -- some interesting possibilities but > it hardly seems worth a $120 annual subscription or $500 fee up front. > > Have I missed something?I was a Squeezebox/LMS user from early 2000's through > to earlier this year. It is a great music streaming solution, and still the only thing I'd recommend to anyone if they weren't going to use Roon. Fundamentally what Roon provides me with from a user experience perspective is deeper and richer ways to explore my music collection, something that just isn't possible with LMS. Some examples: I like to read artist biographies and album reviews. Other artists, albums, composers etc. named therein can be clicked through from within the biographies or reviews. Let's say I like Simon Phillips' work as a drummer and would like to find every album in my library where he makes an appearance...simply go to an album he appears in or search for him as an artist and click through...you'll be presented a complete list of albums in your library he's appeared on, many of which may be complete surprises to you unless you're a walking encyclopedia of music. If it's something I'm going to want to come back to often I can bookmark that and any other filtered result I care to see without having to redefine/ re-specify the criteria. If I want to see all albums released by a specific record label within a selected genre(s) that's pretty simple too. I can browse all Soundtracks, EPs, Singles or any combination of genres, years, decades etc. at the touch of a button. When I'm browsing an artist I can see their main albums, Singles and EPs and appearances logically arranged. I also have at my fingertips a list of artists that are Similar To, Followed By, Influenced By and Associated With that artist. Whilst this kind of exploration may not appeal to everyone, I find it incredibly useful, it's something I've always wanted to be an integral part of my listening experience and unfortunately it's something LMS simply cannot provide. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
garym wrote: > I'd say no, you haven't missed anything. Perhaps the idea that it is a > server that is agnostic to many different player endpoints but is > fortunately NOT generic/not useful DLNA. But you are still at the mercy of a provider of a proprietary system. :( "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
mlsstl wrote: > I've looked at Roon and am not sure I'm interested. Its two strong > points seem to be an attractive graphic interface and the ability to > bring its own, additional metadata (tags) to the party. > > The first item is kind of a "meh" for me -- I play my stereo in order to > listen to music and the LMS/Squeezebox system works great for this. The > latter seems interesting, since it appears it'd add more info to what > I've collected in my own system, but then I'm currently not having too > hard a time finding the music I want to listen to. > > So that's where I stand right now -- some interesting possibilities but > it hardly seems worth a $120 annual subscription or $500 fee up front. > > Have I missed something? I'd say no, you haven't missed anything. Perhaps the idea that it is a server that is agnostic to many different player endpoints but is fortunately NOT generic/not useful DLNA. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
I've looked at Roon and am not sure I'm interested. Its two strong points seem to be an attractive graphic interface and the ability to bring its own, additional metadata (tags) to the party. The first item is kind of a "meh" for me -- I play my stereo in order to listen to music and the LMS/Squeezebox system works great for this. The latter seems interesting, since it appears it'd add more info to what I've collected in my own system, but then I'm currently not having too hard a time finding the music I want to listen to. So that's where I stand right now -- some interesting possibilities but it hardly seems worth a $120 annual subscription or $500 fee up front. Have I missed something? mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
I wouldn't worry about the Roon dev team pursuing trivial developments, they know their oats. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
mdconnelly wrote: > I've been running Roon and LMS for several months... They cannot coexist > which means having to shut one down to use the other. I'll tell you > that switching between them is a royal pain in that it occasionally (but > not always) leaves the Squeezebox end-points unrecognized by either Roon > nor LMS requiring a Squeezebox power cycle to fix. I suspect there is > a sequence that I could follow that might avoid that, but I've yet to > discover it (admittedly not taken the time to really explore it). > > But ultimately, my intent is to determine if I will be happy just using > Roon. v1.2 has now made that a much more viable possibility and so > I've been running Roon exclusively for the last few days. Time will > tell... I can power cycle all my squeezeboxes are aceesible , thats why i intend to maybe start learning about wm's so can have virtual servers to start and stop , many folks do that with several instances of LMS . Yes you need to shutdown LMS first . Now that you used it for a while what do you think pros and cons so far ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
I've been running Roon and LMS for several months... They cannot coexist which means having to shut one down to use the other. I'll tell you that switching between them is a royal pain in that it occasionally (but not always) leaves the Squeezebox end-points unrecognized by either Roon nor LMS requiring a Squeezebox power cycle to fix. I suspect there is a sequence that I could follow that might avoid that, but I've yet to discover it (admittedly not taken the time to really explore it). But ultimately, my intent is to determine if I will be happy just using Roon. v1.2 has now made that a much more viable possibility and so I've been running Roon exclusively for the last few days. Time will tell... Mike (1 SB3, 1 Duet, 1 Boom, 2 Touch, 1 Radio & heavy use of iPeng on various iThings) mdconnelly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
garym wrote: > And "audiophiles" (used in the original sense and not in the audiophool > sense) also care deeply about the music itself, the artists, the > relationships across artists and genres, etc. And roon has a very nice > interaction with databases that provide a rich source of information > about artists/albums/tracks that typically far exceeds what one finds in > their own metadata tags. > > But I agree, none of this changes the fact that roon and LMS can both > provide bitperfect output to my DAC. I'm having fun testing roon a bit > but I'm also a bit bothered with their forum, which contains way too > much audiophool postings (e.g., I hear more "air" and "dimension" in > playback with ver 1.2 of roon vs. ver 1.1 of roon). That said, the > company folks and other users are very helpful in terms of things that > do matter in terms of settings, usage, responding to bugs, etc. I do > appreciate what they are trying to achieve. In the end its the quality of what they actually offer thats matter . A worrying trend indeed ,some dev actually wasted electrons supporting jplay ( a well known foo software http://www.jriver.com/jplay.html ) but they actually have dev resources to waste ? if they manage to build a good product anyway thats good . I have to build myself a new server first it's about time :) Some NUC with virtualization i think then i'm actually able to run roon and LMS and more Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Mnyb wrote: > Suggest history , the current roon userbase , the band of early adopters > you see on thier forum are all about soundquality and messing around > with thier computers as players . That will probably change when the > amount of network devices gain more ground . > Roon started early on with great support for local playback , something > that's not even a core function in LMS , it's a plugin :) > > The idea is probably to also compete with jriver etc for a nice computer > direct to hifi interface , many are still stuck there . > > So the fellow that started the tread come at it rom an audiophile > perspective ? Roon has that in thier bag to not compromise audiquality > when not necessary and good format support . Sonos don't fit and apple > certainly don't with their weird 16/48 botched resampling on many > devices . Just like squeezebox and LMS . You can have good sound and > good interface and reasonable prices . > > But it is more than that . Roon is new competitor in distributed whole > home audio , ( the current early adopters misses the potential somewhat > ) hope they gan a wider userbase . I don't think that will hurt LMS , > the whole niche needs more interest . > > The tread could be move to general discussion I agree . And "audiophiles" (used in the original sense and not in the audiophool sense) also care deeply about the music itself, the artists, the relationships across artists and genres, etc. And roon has a very nice interaction with databases that provide a rich source of information about artists/albums/tracks that typically far exceeds what one finds in their own metadata tags. But I agree, none of this changes the fact that roon and LMS can both provide bitperfect output to my DAC. I'm having fun testing roon a bit but I'm also a bit bothered with their forum, which contains way too much audiophool postings (e.g., I hear more "air" and "dimension" in playback with ver 1.2 of roon vs. ver 1.1 of roon). That said, the company folks and other users are very helpful in terms of things that do matter in terms of settings, usage, responding to bugs, etc. I do appreciate what they are trying to achieve. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Mnyb wrote: > Interesting is it any good? This AES67? It is pretty good for what it was designed for, audio-over-IP interoperability - "The aim was emphatically not to provide the structure for a new, comprehensive media distribution system". Developed by a committee, but pretty much following the IETF "running code and rough consensus" principles. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
SBGK wrote: > why is this thread in Audiophiles forum ? > > Thought it was well established that software doesn't affect sq. > > Should be in General discussion or 3rd party software. > > eg > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104044-Roon-a-SqueezeBox-ecosystem-alternative Suggest history , the current roon userbase , the band of early adopters you see on thier forum are all about soundquality and messing around with thier computers as players . That will probably change when the amount of network devices gain more ground . Roon started early on with great support for local playback , something that's not even a core function in LMS , it's a plugin :) The idea is probably to also compete with jriver etc for a nice computer direct to hifi interface , many are still stuck there . So the fellow that started the tread come at it rom an audiophile perspective ? Roon has that in thier bag to not compromise audiquality when not necessary and good format support . Sonos don't fit and apple certainly don't with their weird 16/48 botched resampling on many devices . Just like squeezebox and LMS . You can have good sound and good interface and reasonable prices . But it is more than that . Roon is new competitor in distributed whole home audio , ( the current early adopters misses the potential somewhat ) hope they gan a wider userbase . I don't think that will hurt LMS , the whole niche needs more interest . The tread could be move to general discussion I agree . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
audiomuze wrote: > Nope, with the release of Roon Bridge you can now sync any devices on > your network. Cool ! Can it be installed under Linux too and run headless ? That must be some work to get to work if you have squeezeboxes , meridian gear and some AirPlay stuff and a bunch of others :/ the QC phase must have been serusily frustrating :) Oh well interesting times it is . I do understand Julf there , why not a really good universal media endpoint standard ? It would benefit everyone . To add to that I would love an universal digital active speaker protocol , so we can get that thing off the ground ( now it's a niche ). Maybe they could merge . Oh sorry of topic . I google aes67 somewhere else . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Mnyb wrote: > The meaningful thing for roon to do would be to make RAAT open source . > > Now they have some certification program btw and try to uphold some QC > over how endpoints behave which is both good and bad , two different > ways of doing stuff .AFAIK the SDK is free to hardware manufacturers. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Mnyb wrote: > Afaik they don't sync between different supported hardware ? > > You can sync up all your squeezeboxes or all your meridian endpoints or > auralics or sonic orbiters sound cards USB DAC's etc Nope, with the release > of Roon Bridge you can now sync any devices on your network. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Julf wrote: > Ouch, so yet another proprietary solution. Too bad. > > Fortunately at least the pro world seems to be going AES67 architecture > so that we are not dependent on single-vendor proprietary protocols. Interesting is it any good ? This AES67 ? I do understand one reason everyone lean towards proprietary protocols , to previous "standard" was UPNP/DLNA :P We have slimproto and some other cometd based protocol in our beloved LMS . If AES67 have architectural shortcomings or is a design by comitee thing like upnp then we are yet again doomed to multiple proprietary protocols or upnp combined with player specific workarounds . The meaningful thing for roon to do would be to make RAAT open source . Now they have some certification program btw and try to uphold some QC over how endpoints behave which is both good and bad , two different ways of doing stuff . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
audiomuze wrote: > 'RAAT (Roon Advanced Audio Transport)' (https://kb.roonlabs.com/RAAT) Ouch, so yet another proprietary solution. Too bad. Fortunately at least the pro world seems to be going AES67 architecture so that we are not dependent on single-vendor proprietary protocols. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Afaik they don't sync between different supported hardware ? You can sync up all your squeezeboxes or all your meridian endpoints or auralics or sonic orbiters sound cards USB DAC's etc . Still on the fence to even try yet :confused: they do have stiff hardware demands for a music server and UI software ,they strongly recommend Ssd drives etc , the intruding part is their enriched metadata an interlinking and reviews etc ( why that demands high end game level graphics beats me , is it not the content that's most important ? ) and some other niggles to work out Was it not this direction the ickstream guys where hinting at . There are several levels of metadata above the file tag level first your own library and then the culture you live in also the culture and context around the music and when and how it's was created . If you are a music historian you can probably abuse the tag system and custom tag and custom browse and after an incredible amount of work end up with some static solution that needs constant maintanence and now your tags are bent out of shape to suit your exact software and hardware solution . I find the basic idea of not needing you tags that much to make a nice experience of your music "above the tag level" very interesting . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Julf wrote: > What protocols does it use?'RAAT (Roon Advanced Audio Transport)' > (https://kb.roonlabs.com/RAAT) Roon supports many different kinds of output devices, including: - RoonReady Networked devices. - Connected outputs, including USB DACs, sound cards, and built-in outputs - AirPlay devices - Logitech's Squeezebox devices - Meridian Audio's networked endpoints - HQPlayer SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
audiomuze wrote: > Roon 1.2, incorporating full Linux/x64 and Linux/armv7hf support (as > Music Server and as transport/ endpoint), Internet Radio, iPhone and > Android apps and synchronised playback across all endpoints grouped into > a zone (regardless of whether it's a DAC, an AVR etc. etc.. What protocols does it use? "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Roon 1.2, incorporating full Linux/x64 and Linux/armv7hf support (as Music Server and as transport/ endpoint), Internet Radio, iPhone and Android apps and synchronised playback across all endpoints grouped into a zone (regardless of whether it's a DAC, an AVR etc. etc.. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Mnyb wrote: > Btw can some expand on have the sofware works headless/remotely ie the > interface is not on the machine running it ? > > Web UI other UI and ofcourse apps . And is there any setup chore that > must be done from a desktop UI ?Roon functionality comes in Desktop, headless > server and tablet app form. All config and setup can be done from desktop or tablet apps. One instance is set up as the core whilst the remainder then function as control points. Unfortunately there's presently no web ui and it's unlikely there'll be a desktop app for Linux. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Mnyb wrote: > Not yet , awaiting a Linux version before i try . > > Btw can some expand on have the sofware works headless/remotely ie the > interface is not on the machine running it ? > > Web UI other UI and ofcourse apps . And is there any setup chore that > must be done from a desktop UI ? Roon runs on a 2011 MacMini ((8GB, SSD) with the music on a firewire attatched Drobo (just like an external HD thus). This MacMini is headless, and the Roon app on my iPad just controls the application on the Mini. Is this clear? Marantz NA-11S1 PCM/DSD streamer with Squeezebox Touch front-end - Marantz UD9004 / AV8801 / MM8003 & CI Audio D-200 MkII (front only) - Nubert NuVero & R.E.L. R-528SE - Siltech & ProLine custom made Silver & Gold, XLR where possible Audiotic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5912 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Ok that was clear Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Zombie wrote: > So I can install Roon on my NAS and forget about LMS? Not yet , awaiting a Linux version before i try . Btw can some expand on have the sofware works headless/remotely ie the interface is not on the machine running it ? Web UI other UI and ofcourse apps . And is there any setup chore that must be done from a desktop UI ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Have to concur with Audiomuze and Audiotic... bought the Roon lifetime and love it, both for what it is today, and what it is rapidly evolving into. The fact that I can use Roon with my multiple Squeezeboxes is pretty amazing and was enough for me to jump on the Roon bandwagon back in December. The Roon rich metadata coupled with an extremely well-designed UI changes how I listen to music and makes it far more about the music and artists, and far less about the software and technology. And it has great integration with Tidal if you use that. But, there are things Roon cannot yet do that are important to note: -- it cannot (yet) stream radio -- there is no phone app and their iPad app will not work on older iPads (which, of course, is what I have :-( -- using Roon with Squeezebox playback cannot be synced with Roon playback to other non-SB devices I've also used Muso and was quite intrigued by it's approach to music organization. I think it is an excellent front-end to LMS and far closer to what Roon does than any other music-player I've seen. It is quite elegant in the way it relies solely on music tags and files in the music folders. But, that is on Windows and isn't available on other OSes or on phones or tablets (well, I suppose it would work on a Windows tablet). So, at best, Muso is just another tool in an arsenal of tools (LMS, iPeng, Moose, etc...) that make using LMS better. Mike (1 SB3, 1 Duet, 1 Boom, 2 Touch, 1 Radio & heavy use of iPeng on various iThings) mdconnelly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
audiomuze wrote: > Bought a lifetime Roon license and haven't looked back. Currently using > Squeezelite running on Wandboard Quads as transports. Once Roon Bridge > is released I doubt I'd continue using Squeezelite. Roon aside, LMS > remains the best and most versatile music server I've ever encountered. > Long live LMS and Squeezelite. > > I still have a few factory sealed SBT's ... anyone interested in buying > them? Did the same. Running SqueezeBox via LMS in parallel mainly for radio in e.g the kitchen. But for serious stuff: Roon via Auralic Aries. Impressive software, worth it high pricetag. Rediscovering my collection! Marantz NA-11S1 PCM/DSD streamer with Squeezebox Touch front-end - Marantz UD9004 / AV8801 / MM8003 & CI Audio D-200 MkII (front only) - Nubert NuVero & R.E.L. R-528SE - Siltech & ProLine custom made Silver & Gold, XLR where possible Audiotic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5912 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
So I can install Roon on my NAS and forget about LMS? Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
audiomuze wrote: > What do you term "rather large"? I'm running 22.6k albums/ 334k tracks > located on an Arch Linux based i3. Roon's running on win server 2012 R2 > on an old Asus P5E64 WS Pro board (iX38 Intel ICH9R chipset) with 8GB > DDR3-1333, Core 2 Quad Processor Q6600 and it's very responsive. As > soon as the Linux build is released I'll be running Roon on the same i3 > that my library is stored on. Searches are a lot quicker than via iPeng > and faster than LMS. I used to keep LMS' database on a ramdisk and > performance was great. > > I don't think there's anything out there that delivers as rich and > immersive an experience iro leveraging metadata to enhance your > listening experience. As a simple example LMS is great at surfacing > links between artists and tracks if you've captured that data. With > Roon you don't have to have captured that data... more often than not > Roon knows who's appeared on a track so you end up finding instances > where a favourite artist has appeared elsewhere in your library that you > had no idea of. > > A pet hate I have iro LMS and all the wifi apps is that when you browse > an artist you're presented with a long mixed bag laundry list of > everything they've appeared in that's surfaced by your tags - their > albums, appearances, compilations, bootlegs all mixed together in one > glorious mess...good luck finding an album you're after if you have a > lot of compilations. Roon sorts that lot and presents them on the same > screen differentiating between main albums, singles and EPs, appearances > on other artist's albums and then compilations. I gave up asking for > this in LMS. > > It also lists Similar To, Followed by, Influenced by and Associated with > that appears in your library (which can incorporate Tidal albums > seamlessly). > > There's work to do on Classical music and metadata editing/ > customization within Roon's database and it's underway...I've no doubt > the end result will be fantastic...the Roon team are music lovers and > they get it. Thanks for the very informative post. You answered many of my questions. And for the record, my music library has 42k albums and 550k tracks, mostly flac with almost 4K of the albums high resolution. I will give Roon a try in the near future. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
audiomuze wrote: > Bloody hell, and I thought I had issues :P Oh you still have issues, it's just that I have bigger issues :) audiomuze wrote: > Given the size of your library I'd suggest you point Roon to a > subsection to get a fewel for it during the trial period. It analyses > the audio stream in every file to be able to recognise it even if > renamed at a later point, calculate replaygain etc. for itself. That > analysis will take some time in a library that large. The good news is > you can still use it whilst all that's happening...it's just not as > responsive as it is once the analysis is complete. My guess would be > that if the analysis is done on a local machine housing the music it'd > be a lot quicker than over a network (which is the case in my present > setup). If and when I do give Roon test spin I will install it on the computer that has my music library on it. In fact, I have a full backup of my music library on a different computer from the one that currently runs LMS so I might try installing Roon on that computer to do the hands on testing. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
ralphpnj wrote: > Thanks for the very informative post. You answered many of my questions. > And for the record, my music library has 42k albums and 550k tracksBloody > hell, and I thought I had issues :P Given the size of your library I'd suggest you point Roon to a subsection to get a fewel for it during the trial period. It analyses the audio stream in every file to be able to recognise it even if renamed at a later point, calculate replaygain etc. for itself. That analysis will take some time in a library that large. The good news is you can still use it whilst all that's happening...it's just not as responsive as it is once the analysis is complete. My guess would be that if the analysis is done on a local machine housing the music it'd be a lot quicker than over a network (which is the case in my present setup). SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
audiomuze wrote: > Bought a lifetime Roon license and haven't looked back. Currently using > Squeezelite running on Wandboard Quads as transports. Once Roon Bridge > is released I doubt I'd continue using Squeezelite. Roon aside, LMS > remains the best and most versatile music server I've ever encountered. > Long live LMS and Squeezelite. > > I still have a few factory sealed SBT's ... anyone interested in buying > them? I don't mean to be a pest but I do have a few simple questions about using Roon versus using LMS along with programs like Muso. First are you familiar with Muso? If no then we're done. If yes, then how does Roon compare with a program like Muso? Thanks! Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
audiomuze wrote: > I am, I have a perpetual license somewhere in an email as I was one of > the original testers. I haven't used it in some time though as I'm > principally a Linux user. > > Roon basically embodies just about everything I could want from a music > server, it's metadata rich, it can use its own metadata or yours or > both, leverages the metadata to enable exploration of your music, it's > fast, enables filtering of browsing/playback by multiple criteria, has > artist biographies, album reviews, lyrics etc. and streams bit-perfect > audio. > > I saw your comment re wishing Roon had a plugin for LMS. Truth is it > doesn't need it, just download and install it and point it to your > library as a Watched Folder (don't use Organised folder unless you want > it to move your files). Terminate LMS and enable Squeezebox support in > Roon and your SBx players will appear within Roon. 14 day free trial, > nothing to lose. Thanks for the quick reply and the useful information. I may give the free trail a try and see how well Roon handles my rather large music library. Basically what really intrigues my about Roon is the rich and robust metadata along with, as you so nicely put it, the leveraging of that metadata enhance one's listening experience, an area where Muso, though pretty good, still falls well short. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Roon do not handle classical music as well as LMS with custom browse/scan plugins. They also acknowledge this weakness. Unless they improve on this aspect, I will stick with LMS. adyc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Bought a lifetime Roon license and haven't looked back. Currently using Squeezelite running on Wandboard Quads as transports. Once Roon Bridge is released I doubt I'd continue using Squeezelite. Roon aside, LMS remains the best and most versatile music server I've ever encountered. Long live LMS and Squeezelite. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
ralphpnj wrote: > First are you familiar with Muso?I am, I have a perpetual license somewhere > in an email as I was one of the original testers. I haven't used it in some time though as I'm principally a Linux user. Roon basically embodies just about everything I could want from a music server, it's metadata rich, it can use its own metadata or yours or both, leverages the metadata to enable exploration of your music, it's fast, enables filtering of browsing/playback by multiple criteria, has artist biographies, album reviews, lyrics etc. and streams bit-perfect audio. I saw your comment re wishing Roon had a plugin for LMS. Truth is it doesn't need it, just download and install it and point it to your library as a Watched Folder (don't use Organised folder unless you want it to move your files). Terminate LMS and enable Squeezebox support in Roon and your SBx players will appear within Roon. 14 day free trial, nothing to lose. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
ralphpnj wrote: > ...handles my rather large music library. Basically what really > intrigues my about Roon is the rich and robust metadata along with, as > you so nicely put it, the leveraging of that metadata enhance one's > listening experience, an area where Muso, though pretty good, still > falls well short.What do you term "rather large"? I'm running 22.6k albums/ > 334k tracks located on an Arch Linux based i3. Roon's running on win server 2012 R2 on an old Asus P5E64 WS Pro board (iX38 Intel ICH9R chipset) with 8GB DDR3-1333, Core 2 Quad Processor Q6600 and it's very responsive. Searches are a lot quicker than via iPeng and faster than LMS. I used to keep LMS' database on a ramdisk and performance was great. I don't think there's anything out there that delivers as rich and immersive an experience iro leveraging metadata to enhance your listening experience. As a simple example LMS is great at surfacing links between artists and tracks if you've captured that data. With Roon you don't have to have captured that data... more often than not Roon knows who's appeared on a track so you end up finding instances where a favourite artist has appeared elsewhere in your library that you had no idea of. A pet hate I have iro LMS and all the wifi apps is that when you browse an artist you're presented with a long mixed bag laundry list of everything they've appeared in that's surfaced by your tags - their albums, appearances, compilations, bootlegs all mixed together in one glorious mess...good luck finding an album you're after if you have a lot of compilations. Roon sorts that lot and presents them on the same screen differentiating between main albums, singles and EPs, appearances on other artist's albums and then compilations. I gave up asking for this in LMS. It also lists Similar To, Followed by, Influenced by and Associated with that appears in your library (which can incorporate Tidal albums seamlessly). There's work to do on Classical music and metadata editing/ customization within Roon's database and it's underway...I've no doubt the end result will be fantastic...the Roon team are music lovers and they get it. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
