Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder results in (through part of batch 527)
Would it be better for me to do it or my father who is 100% portuguese. His
mom is from Madeira.
-Eddie
On Sunday, September 1, 2013 12:51:51 AM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
Eddie, I would give the DNA a whirl especially the FamilyFinder and
YDNA. I am matching Kathy Cardoza’s husband at this point but I have many
Machado’s from Sao Jorge in my lines. You should do it ASAP because the
database is about 500 or so I think (Cheri knows!) and it would be easier
to figure out your matches. If you wait a few years you will have pages of
matches to try and figure out because there are more and more people doing
the testing! It’s really great to find cousins in the people I have been
talking genealogy with for years!
Rosemarie
*From:* Eddie Machado javascript:
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of batch 527)
Rosemarie, Do you have the names of the Cardoza and Machado? My great
grandmother was Caroline Cardoza. Maybe I should give this DNA thing a
whirl.
-Eddie Machado
On Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:09:21 AM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
Getting excited, I have two more matches in on 8/29 on the FF. One a
Cardoza one Machado. My cousins kit is 528 batch and it says 2 October
for that bunch to be finished. Rosemarie
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*Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder results in (through part
of batch 527)
I only have one new FF match in the Azores group from this batch. But my
mom has a bunch! She has a total of twelve besides me--those are not all
from this batch. Her results came out in July. She is half Azorean, I'm
only a quarter. Having her test was a great idea!
So glad more are testing. Now if they will upload a gedcom or at least a
list of surnames we can try to connect! :)
Mary
On Friday, August 30, 2013, Cheri Mello wrote:
Family Finder (FF) results are in up through part of batch 527.
They are behind on mtDNA.
Some people are having a hard time with Y-DNA (finding the right region
on that Y chromosome).
If they are having problems with your DNA and the expected date has
expired, there will be a note on your page.
Right now, I can't get the FTDNA pages to load consistently. Everybody
is probably checking their DNA.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder results in (through part of batch 527)
Eddie, as Cheri always says, it’s probably better to have your Dad do the FF
because he is 100% even though his Mom is from Madeira. You could also have
Dad’s Ydna done too.
Rosemarie
From: Eddie Machado
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 5:51 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder results in (through part of batch
527)
Would it be better for me to do it or my father who is 100% portuguese. His mom
is from Madeira.
-Eddie
On Sunday, September 1, 2013 12:51:51 AM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
Eddie, I would give the DNA a whirl especially the FamilyFinder and YDNA. I
am matching Kathy Cardoza’s husband at this point but I have many Machado’s
from Sao Jorge in my lines. You should do it ASAP because the database is about
500 or so I think (Cheri knows!) and it would be easier to figure out your
matches. If you wait a few years you will have pages of matches to try and
figure out because there are more and more people doing the testing! It’s
really great to find cousins in the people I have been talking genealogy with
for years!
Rosemarie
From: Eddie Machado
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:38 PM
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder results in (through part of
batch 527)
Rosemarie, Do you have the names of the Cardoza and Machado? My great
grandmother was Caroline Cardoza. Maybe I should give this DNA thing a whirl.
-Eddie Machado
On Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:09:21 AM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
Getting excited, I have two more matches in on 8/29 on the FF. One a
Cardoza one Machado. My cousins kit is 528 batch and it says 2 October for
that bunch to be finished. Rosemarie
From: Mary Bordi
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 9:58 PM
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder results in (through part of
batch 527)
I only have one new FF match in the Azores group from this batch. But my
mom has a bunch! She has a total of twelve besides me--those are not all from
this batch. Her results came out in July. She is half Azorean, I'm only a
quarter. Having her test was a great idea!
So glad more are testing. Now if they will upload a gedcom or at least a
list of surnames we can try to connect! :)
Mary
On Friday, August 30, 2013, Cheri Mello wrote:
Family Finder (FF) results are in up through part of batch 527.
They are behind on mtDNA.
Some people are having a hard time with Y-DNA (finding the right region
on that Y chromosome).
If they are having problems with your DNA and the expected date has
expired, there will be a note on your page.
Right now, I can't get the FTDNA pages to load consistently. Everybody
is probably checking their DNA.
--
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva
Great Cheri, so we can tell anyone who asks that they can book their rooms if they want! Rosemarie From: Cheri Mello Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:49 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva Sorry Rosemarie, even though Rich, our contact, at the Plaza Hotel lags behind in sending me the contracts to sign, we are good to go. I just called them and they have our block of 25 rooms ready to go! www.plaza-hotel.com 800-366-3684 Say you are booking for the Azores Conference. On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 10:39 PM, rcapodc rcap...@redshift.com wrote: Bill That’s wonderful news about you both coming! It will be held at the same place as before, the Salt Lake Plaza across the alley way from the Family History Library. Cheri and I and possibly (hopefully!) Joao Ventura from the Azores will lecture during the day and then we all will be in the Library in the evening for guided research. We have so many people that are returning from previous conferences that we should have lots of help! The more seasoned researchers always have help to offer the “newbies” so it all works well. We look forward to seeing you both in April. More info will come out soon. You can always check Kathy Cardoza’s Azores GenWeb site for updates if you miss it on the list. Are you planning on staying at the Plaza? As soon as Cheri gets the contracts to sign we can start reserving rooms under “Azorean Genealogy Conference”. I don’t think that we can do so yet although Rich has marked off the dates for us. See you soon! Rosemarie From: fia...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:31 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Cc: William Silver Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva Well, right now it's a definite go for Salt Lake for both of us. My hearing has gotten so bad that Marelene functions as my interpreter. Can't get along without her. Will you be holding it in the Best Western around the corner from the FHL? I assume details will be out in a bit. Bill -- From: rcapodc rcap...@redshift.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:37:41 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva Bill—Cheri and I are planning another Azorean Research Conference for Easter Week 2014. That’s the week of April 14th. We are really looking forward to going again, it’s been so much fun the last two times. Would love to see you and and your lovely wife again! Rosemarie From: fia...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 5:57 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva Yep, 81 and still at it. It just takes more time and I have less patience with doing the translations. I will try the website you suggest. Any chance you'll be in Salt Lake next year for the Azores genealogy meeting? Bill On Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:23:58 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote: Good to hear you are still doing your genealogy Bill! Have you tried the www.hathitrust.org website? I didn’t look myself but you might find it there. This is the U of Mich website I believe and it has Familias da Faialenses by Marcelino Lima. Good luck, Rosemarie From: fia...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:43 AM To: azo...@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva I am looking for information about the book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, Parish of Santa Barbara 1628-1891 by Lionel P. Silva. My searches so far have identified one copy in the research library of the Univ of Mass but they don't distribute it as a loaner. I live in northern California and the trip would be a bit much for this old guy. Does anyone know of other copies that I might access? My father's family lived in the Salao/Cedros area during the 18th and 19th centuries, maybe even in the 17th. All suggestions would be much appreciated. Bill Silver (Fialho) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Hawaiian Newspapers online
Thanks for the update. It's been months since I've been able to look at them and when I first saw it, they started to digitize A União Lusitana Hawaiiana. Now, a whole lot more! K On Friday, August 30, 2013 12:06:24 PM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote: You can browse through, but not search a large collection of Hawaiian newspapers in the Portuguese languague here: http://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/handle/10524/31854 The following are available - O Luso Hawaiiano (four-page Honolulu weekly, Portuguese, some English). August 1885 to December 1890 - - Aurora Hawaiiana [Hawaiian Dawn] (four-page Honolulu weekly, Portuguese) August 1889 to March 1891 - - A Uniao Lusitana Hawaiiana (four-page Honolulu weekly, Portuguese). March 1892 to February 1896 - - A Sentinella [Sentinel] (Honolulu weekly, Portuguese, some English).1892 to 1896, but only three issues survive: April to September 1892 - - O Luso (four-page Honolulu weekly, Portuguese and English). The longest-running Portuguese-language paper, with the largest circulation. February 1896 to October 1897, October 1910 to Jan. 1920 - - A Setta [Arrow] (Hilo weekly, Portuguese, some English). Ran from 1903 to 1921, but only six issues survive. 1905, 1906, 1908, 1920 - - O Popular (four-page Honolulu weekly, Portuguese, some English). July 1911 to January 1913 - - O Facho [The Torch] (four-page Hilo weekly, Portuguese). Ran from 1906 to 1927, but only one issue survives: February 2, 1927 Eric Edgar -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder results in (through part of batch 527)
Eddie M, For Family Finder: If you have access to your parents (or even your grandparents) test the older generation first. If your parents (or grands) are not alive but their siblings are alive, test them. If it's just you and dad, test your dad and yourself. Then you can filter your matches between you and your dad and find your mom's half. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva
Where in northern ca do u live. I might have the info u r seeking Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:43 AM, fia...@comcast.net wrote: I am looking for information about the book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, Parish of Santa Barbara 1628-1891 by Lionel P. Silva. My searches so far have identified one copy in the research library of the Univ of Mass but they don't distribute it as a loaner. I live in northern California and the trip would be a bit much for this old guy. Does anyone know of other copies that I might access? My father's family lived in the Salao/Cedros area during the 18th and 19th centuries, maybe even in the 17th. All suggestions would be much appreciated. Bill Silver (Fialho) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva
I live in Livermore near the Alden Lane Nursery, if that helps pinpoint me. I'd be interested to know what you have. Bill Silver - Original Message - From: Liz Migliori lizmi...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:45:47 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva Where in northern ca do u live. I might have the info u r seeking Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:43 AM, fia...@comcast.net wrote: I am looking for information about the book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, Parish of Santa Barbara 1628-1891 by Lionel P. Silva. My searches so far have identified one copy in the research library of the Univ of Mass but they don't distribute it as a loaner. I live in northern California and the trip would be a bit much for this old guy. Does anyone know of other copies that I might access? My father's family lived in the Salao/Cedros area during the 18th and 19th centuries, maybe even in the 17th. All suggestions would be much appreciated. Bill Silver (Fialho) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores . -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/1c1t3eau0fY/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores . -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva
Hi Bill, Do you know that the entire parish of Cedors has an index that's available online: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=CEDROS;lang=pt Between that and the online records in the CCA, there might not be much to gain from consulting that book. Although the researchers are different, so they might differ somewhat. The Cedros database was compiled by Hélder Oliveira. João C. Ventura On Saturday, August 31, 2013 5:43:18 PM UTC+2, fia...@comcast.net wrote: I am looking for information about the book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, Parish of Santa Barbara 1628-1891 by Lionel P. Silva. My searches so far have identified one copy in the research library of the Univ of Mass but they don't distribute it as a loaner. I live in northern California and the trip would be a bit much for this old guy. Does anyone know of other copies that I might access? My father's family lived in the Salao/Cedros area during the 18th and 19th centuries, maybe even in the 17th. All suggestions would be much appreciated. Bill Silver (Fialho) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva
Bill, We met at the L-AGS meeting last month. I have a number of ancestors who were born in or lived in Cedros in the 17th and 18th century. Many migrated to Feteira from Cedros in the late 1600's and early 1700's. If you have a list of names, I can check to see if any match and send you what I have from the NEPS database. I even have some Fialhos-Bartolomeu Luis, Belchior and Maria, my 9h great grandfather, my 8th great grand uncle and my 11th great grandmother (on two sides of the family). Both of my maternal grandparents were descendants of Maria. Diane George (Silva) From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of fia...@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 10:20 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com; azores@googlegroups.com Cc: William Silver; William Silver Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva I live in Livermore near the Alden Lane Nursery, if that helps pinpoint me. I'd be interested to know what you have. Bill Silver _ From: Liz Migliori lizmi...@gmail.com mailto:lizmi...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:45:47 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva Where in northern ca do u live. I might have the info u r seeking Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:43 AM, fia...@comcast.net mailto:fia...@comcast.net wrote: I am looking for information about the book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, Parish of Santa Barbara 1628-1891 by Lionel P. Silva. My searches so far have identified one copy in the research library of the Univ of Mass but they don't distribute it as a loaner. I live in northern California and the trip would be a bit much for this old guy. Does anyone know of other copies that I might access? My father's family lived in the Salao/Cedros area during the 18th and 19th centuries, maybe even in the 17th. All suggestions would be much appreciated. Bill Silver (Fialho) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/1c1t3eau0fY/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Records question
I put all of Anna's ancestors on a family tree heres the link http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/43168154/family does this look right? Im just trying to double check to see if I got all the information in the correct spot. Thank you Courtney Luis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: To all you young researchers a tip
Thank you for the tips! I have really been getting into genealogy have been trying to keep at it around school and all that work and rarely document where I get my information I need to start doing so! Thank you Courtney Luis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Esteves/Steves
I am stuck on my great grandfather on the Steves/Esteves side. I have tried searching the culturacores site but have had no luck since I cant read Portuguese even as much as I wish I could and my Spanish 2 I am currently taking in school isn't helping much lol. But here is all the information we have on him; Frank Machado Steves II it was Francisco Machado Esteves but once he came to the states in 1920 they changed it to a simple form of that. He arrived at Providence, Rhode Island on the boat the Roma. He was born 5/18/1898 in Angra Terceira, Portugal. To father Francisco Machado Esteves and mother Maria Rita I am not to positive of how accurate his mothers name is it was just the name I was given by my grandmother but we are not positive since Franks parents stayed in the Azores. Frank married Edna Maria Fagundes in 1931. And they had 7 kids but one died as a infant. His death date was 6/5/1978 the day after he fulfilled his promise he made to his country and his parents, his wifes is 12/18/1992. For his fathers birthdate we have as around 1870 and death as 5/9/1932 both in Sao Sebastiao. Thank you Courtney Luis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Bravo da Rosa
Hi everyone, I'm brand new to the group and I'm hoping that someone can help me track down information about some ancestors. My great-great grandfather, Frank Rose Bravo, was born in the Azores Islands in about 1858 or 1859. He came to the US in (I think) about 1878, moved to California, and worked as a barber. He married Isabel while in California. She was born in the US, but I think her parents (possibly Joseph and Constance Sousa) were born in Portugal or the Azores. The family story goes that Frank's surname was actually Bravo de la Rosa while in the Azores. Since then, however, I have been informed that his name was probably actually Francisco Bravo da Rosa and I believe he was from the island of Faial (or perhaps Sao Miguel). I do not know anything about his parents or lineage beyond what I have written here except that he had a brother named (Americanized version) John Rose Bravo who was in California also by about Spring of 1896. Does anyone know anything about these brothers or the Bravo da Rosa family? Thanks, Kim -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records question att. Courtney Luis Margaret Vicente
Hi, I did some research and got to the same ancestors. Just one problem. I coudnt find Lauras birth record or any siblings!! Did you find it Margaret? Marcio Borba Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com De: Courtney L courtneylui...@yahoo.com Para: azores@googlegroups.com Enviadas: Sábado, 31 de Agosto de 2013 17:34 Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records question I can not thank you enough you don't know how much this means to my family thank you! Courtney Luis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder In Common With function
Hi Everyone, At the risk of looking silly because this may have been discussed in the past, I am going to go ahead and post something that just became clear to me this past week. Besides my Azorean DNA tests, I have tested my non Azorean husband with the Family Finder and he has a very mixed background (half Irish, but then Heinz 57 with Canadian French, Sioux Indian, German, and too far back in the US to know where they came from!!). So I noticed that two of his FF matches had clicked the little button to confirm the relationship and had posted their GEDCOMs and I looked but could not find a match. So I wrote to them and they both answered back to say that they did that so they could use the IN COMMON WITH function. I don't know if this has been discussed as I have been gone a lot this summer but it certainly was news to me!! I guess once you confirm that you are related then you can search by putting the name of the person that you are related to in the second fill in slot and when you search that way, you find out who shares the same ancestry. It is pretty cool and for my husband's lines, especially helpful. I am so inbred that it might not be quite as helpful with my Azorean background but it can sure give hintsif most of my in Common matches have ancestry in Pico, or Flores etcthen it points us in the right direction. So maybe you all know about this already..but I have usually found that if I have a question about somethingsomeone else does too!! So hope this will help someone! Also interesting.a mystery in my matches! Joao C. Ventura wrote to me as I am one of his few matches. I ONLY have Azorean ancestry and he ONLY has mainland Portugal matches!!! I did the in common with' function and there is NO ONE else that matches BOTH of us! So Joao conjectured that it may be one of my incognito fathersa wayward sailor that spent time on the Azores and remains unnamed in the baptismal records (and I have quite a few of those). I wrote to Joao and threw in that it could also have been an Azorean, (maybe a whaler)..who spent some time on the Mainland. WaitI just thoughtit could have been a woman who spent time in either place, LOL, ..I really don't think that would be the answer! Anyway, I am having fun with the In Common With function! Susan Vargas Murphy -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: To all you young researchers a tip
Your very welcome. On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Courtney L courtneylui...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you for the tips! I have really been getting into genealogy have been trying to keep at it around school and all that work and rarely document where I get my information I need to start doing so! Thank you Courtney Luis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Esteves/Steves
Once you are done with Spanish 2 it will help alot. I took it over a year ago and has helped me. Below is a word list https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Portuguese_Genealogical_Word_List On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Courtney L courtneylui...@yahoo.com wrote: I am stuck on my great grandfather on the Steves/Esteves side. I have tried searching the culturacores site but have had no luck since I cant read Portuguese even as much as I wish I could and my Spanish 2 I am currently taking in school isn't helping much lol. But here is all the information we have on him; Frank Machado Steves II it was Francisco Machado Esteves but once he came to the states in 1920 they changed it to a simple form of that. He arrived at Providence, Rhode Island on the boat the Roma. He was born 5/18/1898 in Angra Terceira, Portugal. To father Francisco Machado Esteves and mother Maria Rita I am not to positive of how accurate his mothers name is it was just the name I was given by my grandmother but we are not positive since Franks parents stayed in the Azores. Frank married Edna Maria Fagundes in 1931. And they had 7 kids but one died as a infant. His death date was 6/5/1978 the day after he fulfilled his promise he made to his country and his parents, his wifes is 12/18/1992. For his fathers birthdate we have as around 1870 and death as 5/9/1932 both in Sao Sebastiao. Thank you Courtney Luis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Esteves/Steves
Yeah I still have a long way to finish Spanish school just started lol. But in the records where approximately are the names located because I try to look for them and never can see them I guess I don't have that genealogical eye yet. Thank you Courtney Luis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Esteves/Steves
Courtney L, Yes, you have to train your eye. The names are capitalized and never written lower case. For the time period you are researching, you will want to get all the siblings as well. It will help build your tree and connect to other researchers and it will help train your eye. If you are searching the 1880s, you will notice all the names about 1/4 or 1/3 of the way through the document. They will be preceded with the words filho legitimo or filha legitima. The thing with filho legitimo or filha legitima, is letter height. f,l,h in filho/a and the l,g,t in legitimo/a all stick up or down below the other letters. Many times they are quite slanted and somewhat flourishy (penmanship style of the period). This is kind of hard to explain in an email. When I get my scanner up, I'll send an image to this list of what I am trying to describe. When you get back to the middle of the 1800s, the names are right on the top. Then you have to wade through for the date. By then, you'll be real good at names. Good luck, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bravo da Rosa
Kim G, de la is Spanish, not Portuguese. da Rosa is Portuguese. Joseph is Jose and Constance is Constancia in Portuguese. Just knowing Faial or Sao Miguel is not enough. It's like saying California or New York and there is no statewide index or Ancestry to help. You have to have the island and you really need the freguesia (village). There's a 30+ page guide on the Azores GenWeb full of info on where to look for records that can lead to your freguesia: goo.gl/HXmQPB Do all the stuff on the American end first and post the clues that you are finding from censuses, obituaries, naturalizations, etc. Good luck, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Esteves/Steves
Thank you I think I understand what youre saying I will sift through the birth records tonight and see if I can find anything Im still trying to get use to the site and different style of writing. Thank you Courtney Luis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Esteves/Steves
Courtney L, I've done a lot of work with Shirley Allegre (of this list - her computer is offline for another week or so). Since Shirley and I shared so many lines, we did a lot together. She's in northern CA and I'm in southern CA. We both ordered the film and went to work at it, collecting whole families (they are intermarried, so might as well). Every time we got a new priest or scribe, we moaned. There was one in Ponta Garca that we nicknamed the Chinese priest. His writing style was very square and boxy, like what you would see with Chinese letters. Shirley would get mad at him and threatened to go to the Azores and dig him up and make him rewrite the records! But we got used to him. And then we got a different one! Ugh! He was so much worse than the first. But after we got done whining and moaning about his penmanship (or lack thereof), we got used to him too. Keep on trying. You'll start to see the names jump out after awhile. Then you'll start to see the months. The years (numbers) will be last because they are all long hand. But with time, they come along too. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder In Common With function
Hi Susan, It may have been Doug da Rocha Holmes who started a thread about In Common With. But with the latest round of results, it doesn't hurt to mention it again. If I don't know the relationship, I assign Distant Cousin and then I can run the filter for In Common With. They don't have to accept the relationship in order for me to run the filter. FTDNA is supposed to change this where we won't have to assign a relationship in order to run the filter. We will just be able to to it. Don't know when this is coming though. They told us last November at the conference and it hasn't happened yet (they keep IT pretty busy). For people who tested themselves and one parent (because the other is deceased) can run the filter for Not In Common With to get the other side of their tree. Once you get 3 people confirmed from the same ancestor, you have done a triangulation and you will start to see other matches hitting on the same people. The puzzle pieces start to fit together and things start to make sense. But it takes time. This is what will need to happen with you and Joao C. Ventura. Because there's more of us Azoreans than either Madeirans or Continentals doing our genealogy and DNA testing, we are going to have more matches than either the Madeirans or mainland Portugal. You've got the DNA Admins on this list with megaphones shouting every time there's a match or sale! It's not happening as much on the Madeira or Portugal lists. They need some big mouths over there! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva
Thanks, Joao. I have looked at the website and it's excellent. My problem is I'm pretty much illiterate in Portuguese and was looking for an easy way out on getting information from the records. But maybe that's the best way after all. I'll give it another try. Bill - Original Message - From: João Ventura j...@venturas.org To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 2:48:34 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva Hi Bill, Do you know that the entire parish of Cedors has an index that's available online: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=CEDROS;lang=pt Between that and the online records in the CCA, there might not be much to gain from consulting that book. Although the researchers are different, so they might differ somewhat. The Cedros database was compiled by Hélder Oliveira. João C. Ventura On Saturday, August 31, 2013 5:43:18 PM UTC+2, fia...@comcast.net wrote: I am looking for information about the book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, Parish of Santa Barbara 1628-1891 by Lionel P. Silva. My searches so far have identified one copy in the research library of the Univ of Mass but they don't distribute it as a loaner. I live in northern California and the trip would be a bit much for this old guy. Does anyone know of other copies that I might access? My father's family lived in the Salao/Cedros area during the 18th and 19th centuries, maybe even in the 17th. All suggestions would be much appreciated. Bill Silver (Fialho) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/1c1t3eau0fY/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores . -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Esteves/Steves
Hi Courtney,I've been so busy lately with other research that I didn't mention to you that I found we are distantly related by the ESTEVES name. So when will you get your Esteves relatives tested with the Family Finder test? It would be fun to see if we both have any Esteves DNA now.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Esteves/Steves From: Courtney L courtneylui...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, September 01, 2013 3:34 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com I am stuck on my great grandfather on the Steves/Esteves side. I have tried searching the culturacores site but have had no luck since I cant read Portuguese even as much as I wish I could and my Spanish 2 I am currently taking in school isn't helping much lol. But here is all the information we have on him; Frank Machado Steves II it was Francisco Machado Esteves but once he came to the states in 1920 they changed it to a simple form of that. He arrived at Providence, Rhode Island on the boat the Roma. He was born 5/18/1898 in Angra Terceira, Portugal. To father Francisco Machado Esteves and mother Maria RitaI am not to positive of how accurate his mothers name is it was just the name I was given by my grandmother but we are not positive since Franks parents stayed in the Azores. Frank married Edna Maria Fagundes in 1931. And they had 7 kids but one died as a infant. His death date was 6/5/1978 the day after he fulfilled his promise he made to his country and his parents, his wifes is 12/18/1992. For his fathers birthdate we have as around 1870 and death as 5/9/1932 both in Sao Sebastiao.Thank you Courtney Luis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Esteves/Steves
I thought I would add my experience. I learned Portuguese at the age of 40.
I still lack the confidence to converse and lack the opportunity but I can
read it well. That is, newspapers, Internet articles.
The written documents were another thing! Just jump in, as has been
mentioned. Look for names. Pretty soon you will get the format for the
years you are looking at. Other words will jump out at you and you will
learn their meanings. Padrinho for example--godfather. These will help you
find your place in the document. Don't think because you aren't fluent you
can't do it. Even people who can read modern Portuguese articles struggle
with those documents.
Do not be discouraged! It's not easy at first but it is SO rewarding!
Mary Bordi
On Sunday, September 1, 2013, Courtney L wrote:
Thank you I think I understand what youre saying I will sift through the
birth records tonight and see if I can find anything Im still trying to get
use to the site and different style of writing.
Thank you
Courtney Luis
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Esteves/Steves
So far filho legitimo is sticking out the most so I just go from there and read the names thank you everyone for your stories I especially liked the Chinese priest lol Thank you Courtney Luis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Learning to read the records
I had to change the subject, because he had nothing to do with these latest comments.What Mary Bordi says is exactly right.In 1992 I took my first trip to Portugal, met my father's first cousin in Angra and he was astonished that I could read the records yet not converse in Portuguese. Natives are NOT likely able to read them, but if they were read aloud to them, I am sure they would get most of it. There are some archaic terms they won't get, but for use who know nothing else, it doesn't matter if they are new or old terms. They are simply the terms we see and must learn. And you will catch on with practice.An earlier post by Cheri reminded me of the terrible records of Piedade, Pico. They were amongst the very first records I had to tackle, because in 1846 my ancestor was born there. And for about a 15 year period the records are a challenge. It was baptism by fire for me to learn to read them. But the great thing was I could tackle a lot of other less difficult records fairly easily after that. And my familiarity with Spanish really did help me.So no matter your age, just hang in there and you'll get it little by little, word by word and eventually there will be no more new words to learn. Then start all over again and learn to read the death records!!! :-)Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Esteves/Steves From: Mary Bordi busybo...@gmail.com Date: Sun, September 01, 2013 7:51 pm To: "azores@googlegroups.com" azores@googlegroups.com I thought I would add my experience. I learned Portuguese at the age of 40. I still lack the confidence to converse and lack the opportunity but I can read it well. That is, newspapers, Internet articles. The written documents were another thing! Just jump in, as has been mentioned. Look for names. Pretty soon you will "get" the format for the years you are looking at. Other words will jump out at you and you will learn their meanings. Padrinho for example--godfather. These will help you find your place in the document. Don't think because you aren't fluent you can't do it. Even people who can read modern Portuguese articles struggle with those documents. Do not be discouraged! It's not easy at first but it is SO rewarding!Mary Bordi -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva
Yes, I remember. I would very much like to talk with you in more detail about all this. Turns out Marelene and I work at the Livermore FHC every Monday morning 9A-12N, tomorrow excepted, of course. Is there sometime we could compare notes on Fialhos? My email address is fia...@comcast.net . No surprise, right? Are we distant cousins, perhaps? Bill Silver (Fialho) - Original Message - From: Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 1:01:17 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva Bill, We met at the L-AGS meeting last month. I have a number of ancestors who were born in or lived in Cedros in the 17 th and 18 th century. Many migrated to Feteira from Cedros in the late 1600’s and early 1700’s. If you have a list of names, I can check to see if any match and send you what I have from the NEPS database. I even have some Fialhos—Bartolomeu Luis, Belchior and Maria, my 9 h great grandfather, my 8 th great grand uncle and my 11 th great grandmother (on two sides of the family). Both of my maternal grandparents were descendants of Maria. Diane George (Silva) From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of fia...@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 10:20 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com; azores@googlegroups.com Cc: William Silver; William Silver Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva I live in Livermore near the Alden Lane Nursery, if that helps pinpoint me. I'd be interested to know what you have. Bill Silver - Original Message - From: Liz Migliori lizmi...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:45:47 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva Where in northern ca do u live. I might have the info u r seeking Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:43 AM, fia...@comcast.net wrote: I am looking for information about the book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, Parish of Santa Barbara 1628-1891 by Lionel P. Silva. My searches so far have identified one copy in the research library of the Univ of Mass but they don't distribute it as a loaner. I live in northern California and the trip would be a bit much for this old guy. Does anyone know of other copies that I might access? My father's family lived in the Salao/Cedros area during the 18th and 19th centuries, maybe even in the 17th. All suggestions would be much appreciated. Bill Silver (Fialho) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores . -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/1c1t3eau0fY/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores . -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores . -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Esteves/Steves
Courtney L, Which record? Number 5, left bottom for Joao? He's the son of Manuel Esteves Ferreira and Maria Emilia, paternal grandson of Joao Esteves Ferreira and Delfina Julia and maternal grandson of Agostinho Goncalves Duarte and Josefa de Jesus. I can't tell you if it's the right one or not. You'll have to decide based on your family names. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Learning to read the records
Yes eventually you will be able to get the key information. I am only able to get key information, when I noticed when I received a transcribed death index from a person that WOW I am missing alot of information possibly not knowing how to translate the whole record!!! But my first goal is to become fluent in Spanish since I have been working on it since 8th grade and every summer when I was a kid was shipped off to my grandparents house who would only speak spanish. (I can sure cuss someone out in spanish really good lol) That is what I mostly picked up during the summers, hanging out with the locasl in New Mexico. Somebody else posted awhile back a list for words maybe they will repost or you can search for it. It was a good one. On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 9:04 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: I had to change the subject, because he had nothing to do with these latest comments. What Mary Bordi says is exactly right. In 1992 I took my first trip to Portugal, met my father's first cousin in Angra and he was astonished that I could read the records yet not converse in Portuguese. Natives are NOT likely able to read them, but if they were read aloud to them, I am sure they would get most of it. There are some archaic terms they won't get, but for use who know nothing else, it doesn't matter if they are new or old terms. They are simply the terms we see and must learn. And you will catch on with practice. An earlier post by Cheri reminded me of the terrible records of Piedade, Pico. They were amongst the very first records I had to tackle, because in 1846 my ancestor was born there. And for about a 15 year period the records are a challenge. It was baptism by fire for me to learn to read them. But the great thing was I could tackle a lot of other less difficult records fairly easily after that. And my familiarity with Spanish really did help me. So no matter your age, just hang in there and you'll get it little by little, word by word and eventually there will be no more new words to learn. Then start all over again and learn to read the death records!!! :-) Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Esteves/Steves From: Mary Bordi busybo...@gmail.com Date: Sun, September 01, 2013 7:51 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com I thought I would add my experience. I learned Portuguese at the age of 40. I still lack the confidence to converse and lack the opportunity but I can read it well. That is, newspapers, Internet articles. The written documents were another thing! Just jump in, as has been mentioned. Look for names. Pretty soon you will get the format for the years you are looking at. Other words will jump out at you and you will learn their meanings. Padrinho for example--godfather. These will help you find your place in the document. Don't think because you aren't fluent you can't do it. Even people who can read modern Portuguese articles struggle with those documents. Do not be discouraged! It's not easy at first but it is SO rewarding! Mary Bordi -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Esteves/Steves
Nope that's not right thanks for translating it though. That's the only Esteves I found for his birth year. Thank you Courtney Luis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Esteves/Steves
Courtney L, You also search one year before and one year after. And then expand based on other information you may have on him. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Esteves/Steves
Or check two years before the date you have. I have found more than once that relatives will state they were born 1867 but when I find baptism its 2 yrs earlier in 1865 On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Courtney L, You also search one year before and one year after. And then expand based on other information you may have on him. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
