Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pastorinho

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Christian,

re:
Msg 3:  the marriage record does not reflect anyone named Francisco.  It
does say the bride is daughter of D. Ana de S.to (Santo) Antonio.
Msg 4:  It does not mention Antonio Machado
Msg 5: It's difficult reading but it's like taking it apart and putting it
together almost letter by letter, verymuch like playing with "lego", LOL.

Here's what I'm reading:
Pastor f.o de Pai incognito, e de Mariana Rosa, f.a de Mathias da Silva, ja
defunto, e de Cecilia Maria, naturals, e fregueses desta Par.al da N. Sra.
da Guadalupe, mor.es no lugar do Pontal. Nasceu em os quinze de Novembro de
mil oito centos e des, foi baptisado,nesta dita Par.al pelo Rev.do Vig.ro
da mesma igreja assignado em os vinte dois do d.o mes e anno, foram
Padrinhos Thome Esp.a de Melo, e sua m.er D. Maria de S. Jose nat.as m.do a
m.es do Pontal do q p.a constar faco este termo q assigno com o Re.do
Baptisante, e Joao de Deos Lobao Sanchristao desta Igr.a.  Testem.as
presentes Dia mes e anno est supra.

I can help you with the translation but it will be more fun if you now
compare it to the record and see it by yourself.

f.o=filho
f.a= filha
Par.cal= Parochial (Paroquial)
mor.es= moradores
d.o= dito
nat.as= naturais
Re.do= Reverendo
Esp.a= Espinola

Cheers,



On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Christian, warlock at christianday dot com
>
> Message 1:
> omg awesome thank you Mara
>
> Message 2:
> Thank you João!
>
> Message 3:
> Hi Mara,
>
> I notice from the marriage record that it lists Pai Incongnito for
> Francisco's grandfather but also lists Antonio Maxado. Do you see if
> there's something saying what Antonio is? I can't make out what it says.
>
> Thank you :)
>
> Message 4:
> Oh wait. If this is Pastorinho's marriage certificate, why would it even
> mention Antonio Machado? This just gets more and more confusing. :(
>
> Message 5:
> How are you able to read that birth record? I'm playing around in
> photoshop trying to darken some of the lettering. About all I can make out
> is "Pastor." :-D
>
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> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Christian,
>>
>> You are welcome.  Found the birth record.  It is *Pastor*, bottom right.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-
>> GUADALUPE-B-1809-1820/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1809-1820_item1/P22.html
>>
>> Also found his marriage record, bottom left.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-
>> GUADALUPE-C-1825-1860/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1825-1860_item1/P30.html
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Christian Day 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Margaret,
>>>
>>> Thank you. That helps a lot. I also spoke to a man from Lisbon whose
>>> native language is Portuguese and he mentioned that Pastor is the word used
>>> for a Pastor and that Pastorinho is a proper and approved name. I'm going
>>> to look for his birth record and see what I can find out.
>>>
>>> Many thanks!
>>>
>>> Christian
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 3:30:45 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Christian,
>>>>
>>>> If I may; Pastor is the name, Pastorinho is the diminuitive of Pastor.
>>>> It can be used interchangeably. To be certain which might be the original
>>>> name, you will have to look up his birth record.
>>>>
>>>> Pastor as first name is not indicative of the office of herding sheep.
>>>> And it definitely has nothing to do with Catholics on the island.  It is an
>>>> old first name used in the latin countries, in France is common to see
>>>> Pasteur.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Correction: 9 lines from the bottom. The maternal grandfather is who
>>>>> Christian is after.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Christian Day <
>>>>> war...@christianday.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>
>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pastorinho

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Christian,

You are welcome.  Found the birth record.  It is *Pastor*, bottom right.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1809-1820/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1809-1820_item1/P22.html

Also found his marriage record, bottom left.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1825-1860/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1825-1860_item1/P30.html

Take care,


On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Christian Day 
wrote:

> Hi Margaret,
>
> Thank you. That helps a lot. I also spoke to a man from Lisbon whose
> native language is Portuguese and he mentioned that Pastor is the word used
> for a Pastor and that Pastorinho is a proper and approved name. I'm going
> to look for his birth record and see what I can find out.
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Christian
>
> On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 3:30:45 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>>
>> Christian,
>>
>> If I may; Pastor is the name, Pastorinho is the diminuitive of Pastor.
>> It can be used interchangeably. To be certain which might be the original
>> name, you will have to look up his birth record.
>>
>> Pastor as first name is not indicative of the office of herding sheep.
>> And it definitely has nothing to do with Catholics on the island.  It is an
>> old first name used in the latin countries, in France is common to see
>> Pasteur.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Correction: 9 lines from the bottom. The maternal grandfather is who
>>> Christian is after.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
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>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Christian Day 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi there,

 In the following baptismal record, 9 lines from the top, is an ancestor
 of mine named Pastorinho José D'Amorim. I've elsewhere seen him referred to
 as Pastor. Translated that means Shepherd according to Google translate.
 Would this have been his name or could he have been a pastor of some kind?
 I'm guessing no because it's a Catholic island but then did they use that
 word for Catholics there?

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-
 GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864_item1/P35.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pastorinho

[Margaret Vicente]

Christian,

If I may; Pastor is the name, Pastorinho is the diminuitive of Pastor.  It
can be used interchangeably. To be certain which might be the original
name, you will have to look up his birth record.

Pastor as first name is not indicative of the office of herding sheep.  And
it definitely has nothing to do with Catholics on the island.  It is an old
first name used in the latin countries, in France is common to see Pasteur.

Hope this helps.



On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Correction: 9 lines from the bottom. The maternal grandfather is who
> Christian is after.
>
> Cheri Mello
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> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Christian Day 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> In the following baptismal record, 9 lines from the top, is an ancestor
>> of mine named Pastorinho José D'Amorim. I've elsewhere seen him referred to
>> as Pastor. Translated that means Shepherd according to Google translate.
>> Would this have been his name or could he have been a pastor of some kind?
>> I'm guessing no because it's a Catholic island but then did they use that
>> word for Catholics there?
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-
>> GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1860-1864_item1/P35.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH BAPTISM TRANSLATION

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Carmen, it is a girl, you got it

Francisc*A*


*Baptism date: 07-Oct-1855*

*Parents: * Antonio Jacintho (Jacinto) and Ana deJesus.
*Maternal GP: *the name is Francisco and Francisca (with an "I")

Margaret

On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 1:23 PM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy <
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> hi  everyone
>
> need help with this one
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-SAOJOSE-B-1852-1855/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1852-1855_item1/P153.html
>
> francesco
>
> birth - october 1 1855
> baptism - october 8 1855
>
> parents - António Jacintho & Anna de Jesús
> grandparents - Jacintho Antonio & Maria Jacintha
> grandparents - Francesco da Costa & Francesca de Jesús
>
> thank you
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Madelena (?) Rosa, B 1688 Sao Mateus, need help with Obito info

[Margaret Vicente]

Mary, the birth record year 1688 clearly states her name Magdalena. Please
observe the left margin and you will see it spelt out.

This is a record of primary evidence. The information on the other site is
secondary information prone to transcribing errors.

Magda is the short form and not to be mistaken with MaRg.da

Perhaps the list can offer you more feedback on this.


On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 8:04 PM Mary Pimentel Wheeler 
wrote:

> Thank you all for your help, but now I'm a bit more confused.  CITCEM
> shows Mateus Garcia Rosa and his wife Isabel de Mendonca as having two
> daughters:  Madalena b 1693, and Margarida b1688.  It goes on to show that
> MARGARIDA was married to Antonio da Costa Soares, not Madalena.  However,
> Madalena's Obito says she was the wife of Antonio. That is assuming I had
> the right obito in the first place, and translated it correctly.  Could
> that have been MARGARIDA's Obito instead?  I'm wondering if the use of
> abbreviations is messing me up...and that perhaps the my original link was
> actually referring to Margarida?
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 2, 2016 at 2:07:51 PM UTC-7, Mary Pimentel Wheeler
> wrote:
>
>> I think this might be the obito for my 8X GGM,  Magdalena (or Madalena),
>> daughter of Matheus Garcia Rosa and his wife Izabel de Mendoca.  I can't
>> make out much of the info, except the following.  I'm not even sure if the
>> abbreviation is really for Magdalena.
>>
>> Link:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1756-1782/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1756-1782_item1/P72.html
>> 
>>
>
>>
>> What I have:
>>
>>
>> *Magdalena Garcia, married to Antonio da Costa SoaresFrom this freguesia
>> and parish of Sao Mateus, PicoDied 1765*
>>
>> I can't seem to pick out any other info, for instance the month and day
>> of her death, or any relatives.  Can anyone else see any relevant facts in
>> this obito?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Mary
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Casamentos -- Matias de Medeiros & Maria Francesca 1770

[Margaret Vicente]

Joanne, in this case the "Dom" you are reading is a honorary title for the
Bishop, who exempted the couple for the 6th degree of consanguinity,
allowing them to marry.

Antonio Calvo could be picking it up from one of the grandparents, you may
find continuity as you go back further on this line.

Early settlers, among others, named by G. Frutuoso and RR are Bernardim
Calvo e Joao Calvo sons of Afonso Anes, da Maia.  Rodrigo Rodrigues Cap. 50
section 1.



On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Joanne Mercier 
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> I guess that makes us cousins? Yeah! :)
>
> There is something I can’t read that uses the term “Dom” in front of a
> name. Do you know what that could mean? Also, This is where my Medeiros
> line changes names to Calvo. Why does that seem to happen every so often?
> It gets rather confusing.
>
> Thanks for the help!
> Joanne Grota Mercier
>
>
> On September 3, 2016 at 6:54:32 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy (
> azores@googlegroups.com) wrote:
>
> Grooms parents: Antonio Calvo and Vitoria de Aguiar.
> Bride's parents: Manuel Alvares da Costa and Antonia de Sousa Arruda.
> Bride's place/dob: Mosteiros: 31-12-1733.
> The bride's parents are also my ancestors.
>
> Good luck!
>
> John Miranda Raposo
>
>
> On Friday, September 2, 2016 10:04 PM, Joanne Mercier <
> musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-AJUDABRETANHA-C-1703-1779/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-C-1703-
> 1779_item1/P176.html
>
> These are the correct ancestors I’m searching for but I can’t read or
> understand a lot of the writing, especially the names of the bride’s
> parents. Any help in figuring this one out is, as usual, greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Joanne Grota Mercier
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madelena (?) Rosa, B 1688 Sao Mateus, need help with Obito info

[Margaret Vicente]

Sorry Mary for incorrectly addressing previous emails to Linda.

Here's the marriage link also, bottom, flowing onto the next page.

Date: 07-Jun-1818
Groom: Antonio da Costa Soares.  Bride: Magdalena Garcia

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1698-1748/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1698-1748_item1/P41.html



On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler 
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> Thank you for the verification on the year Mara - where do you see the day
> and month, which line?  I tried to look for anything that looked like a
> day/month and nothing popped out.
>
> On Friday, September 2, 2016 at 4:45:35 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>>
>> Linda, you have it all right.
>>
>> Obit date Jan 16th 1765.
>>
>> No age given.  She had a will of which the executor was her husband.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
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>>> Upper left, bottom right...which one?
>>>
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>>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 4:14 PM, linda  wrote:
>>>
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-
 SAOMATEUS-O-1756-1782/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1756-1782_item1/P72.html

 Corrected link (the l at the end was dropped) :)

 I see a date and an age (65). If no one beats me to it, I'll try a
 transcription this evening.

 Linda

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madelena (?) Rosa, B 1688 Sao Mateus, need help with Obito info

[Margaret Vicente]

Linda, here's Magdalena's (Madalena) birth record.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1673-1703/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1673-1703_item1/P25.html




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> Thank you for the verification on the year Mara - where do you see the day
> and month, which line?  I tried to look for anything that looked like a
> day/month and nothing popped out.
>
> On Friday, September 2, 2016 at 4:45:35 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>>
>> Linda, you have it all right.
>>
>> Obit date Jan 16th 1765.
>>
>> No age given.  She had a will of which the executor was her husband.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
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>>> Upper left, bottom right...which one?
>>>
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>>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 4:14 PM, linda  wrote:
>>>
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-
 SAOMATEUS-O-1756-1782/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1756-1782_item1/P72.html

 Corrected link (the l at the end was dropped) :)

 I see a date and an age (65). If no one beats me to it, I'll try a
 transcription this evening.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madelena (?) Rosa, B 1688 Sao Mateus, need help with Obito info

[Margaret Vicente]

Linda, you're welcome.

It is on the 3rd line to the right where it reads: "Em os dezasseis
(desasseis) de Jan.ro (Janeiro) de
4th line: mil sete cents sessenta e cinco (1765)


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> Thank you for the verification on the year Mara - where do you see the day
> and month, which line?  I tried to look for anything that looked like a
> day/month and nothing popped out.
>
> On Friday, September 2, 2016 at 4:45:35 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>>
>> Linda, you have it all right.
>>
>> Obit date Jan 16th 1765.
>>
>> No age given.  She had a will of which the executor was her husband.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
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>>> Upper left, bottom right...which one?
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 4:14 PM, linda  wrote:
>>>
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-
 SAOMATEUS-O-1756-1782/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1756-1782_item1/P72.html

 Corrected link (the l at the end was dropped) :)

 I see a date and an age (65). If no one beats me to it, I'll try a
 transcription this evening.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madelena (?) Rosa, B 1688 Sao Mateus, need help with Obito info

[Margaret Vicente]

Linda, you have it all right.

Obit date Jan 16th 1765.

No age given.  She had a will of which the executor was her husband.



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> Upper left, bottom right...which one?
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> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 4:14 PM, linda  wrote:
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>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-
>> SAOMATEUS-O-1756-1782/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1756-1782_item1/P72.html
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>> Corrected link (the l at the end was dropped) :)
>>
>> I see a date and an age (65). If no one beats me to it, I'll try a
>> transcription this evening.
>>
>> Linda
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SECEIRO from Azores?

[Margaret Vicente]

Marjorie, your last email (DASILVIRA) da Silveira Anglicised to Seceiro is
very possible.

If you had a better idea as to approximate date of arrival in the USA I was
going to suggest for you to search through the CCA passports for the Faial
and Terceira islands.



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> I've also found a Ana DASILVA BETANCORT (dob 1868) that married a Mannel
> DASILVA BROWN in 1896 in the same city as Marianna VEINCIA SECEIRO (1867)
> in Taunton, Massachusetts). They both have Izabel JOSEPHA listed as mother,
> but on Anas marriage record, her father is listed as Silveira.  So, that's
> why I'm wondering if SILVEIRA and/or SILVA (she also used DASILVIRA once)
> is a anglicisation of SECEIRO.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Domingos de Braga & Anna de Mello

[Margaret Vicente]

Both are from Santa Maria. The bride from Assumcao and the groom from
Purificacao.

The groom cleared of his Lent obligation in S. Miguel, College of Jesus.
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:09 PM Paul  wrote:

> The following record is for my other 8X g grandparents Domingos de Braga &
> Anna de Mello, also from Ilha Santa Maria. The only question that I have is
> where were they baptized? I believe Anna was born/baptized in Assuncao,
> Santa Maria and Domingos was born on Ilha Sao Miguel but which Concelho and
> Freguesia?
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1699-1717/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1699-1717_item1/P64.html
> (lower right)
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> Thanks for your assistance.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SECEIRO from Azores?

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi, the surname Seceiro does exist. Do you have a time frame of their
arrival in the USA?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:26 PM Mary Bordi  wrote:

> Could this be a misspelling of Sequeira? Mine were listed as Secare on one
> census.
>
> They were from Sao Jorge.
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>> On my great great grandmothers death certificate, her parents are listed
>> as Joao SECEIRO and Izabel JOSEPHA. Both from Azores Islands.  However, I
>> can't find that last name anywhere! Has anybody ever seen it before?  My
>> grandmother Marianna DUTRA, also used as a last name,  VIENCIA, SILVA,
>> DASILVEIRA.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manadas Sao Jorge 1854 Baptism

[Margaret Vicente]

Bill, transcribing as I see it.

 viuvo, "q.u mayu" dis lhe lancado neste termo ser sua filha.

I too am having trouble with the shortform, so I'm reading it like this.

...viuvo, qual mae diz-lhe lançado neste termo ser sua filha

..widower, named by the mother on this record, for she is his daughter

The 2nd godparent was not mandatory.


Margaret


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> This is the baptism of my wife's GG-grandmother, Maria, born 18 May 1854
> and baptized on 22 May in Santa Barbara das Manadas, Sao Jorge.  (lower
> right and continues on next page)
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-
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> I'd like help with the words that start after viuvo on line 4 up to the
> word termo at the end of the line.  I think it is about the father
> acknowledging the child, but I can't make the words out.
>
> I believe I have the names, but I posted them below in case any need
> correcting.
>
> The mother is Rosa Ignacia, single, daughter of Joao Jose da Silveira and
> his wife Izabel Ignacia.
>
> The father is Antonio da Silveira de Avila, widower.  The godfather is
> Jose Silveira de Avila, son of the baptized's father (the baby's half
> brother).  I see no godmother listed.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Father's birth location in Lisbon

[Margaret Vicente]

1833-34 in Sao Miguel Arcanjo, Vila Franca
1835 - N. Sra. da Mae de Deus, Povoacao.

I think the mother's name is Ana Matilde (looks like he wrote Metilde)

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Here it is in his marriage, on the left, the line above where the
> watermark starts:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PV-MAEDEDEUS-C-1822-1840/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-C-1822-1840_item1/P119.html
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> It looks like Santos something, I think Santos Velhos, but I'm to record
> it as Santos-o-Velho, correct?
>
> The lines after look like it says Candido fulfilled his Lenten obligations
> there or in Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca. I can't figure out which. I
> kinda think SMA. Then he did his 1835 Lenten ones in Povoacao?
> Thanks! Cheri
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>> Rosemari and Cheri.
>>
>> There used to be the parish of Santos as well but in 2012 it was
>> separated and absorbed by the parish of Estrela.  The bairro/neighbourhood
>> of Santos i.e. where the church was built is still there but no longer
>> considered of "freguesia".
>>
>> Hope this helps clarify.
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> wrote:
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>>> I think it's just Santos city of Lisboa?? I Googled Santos de Lisboa and
>>> it came up. Maybe someone more familier with Lisbon can tell us!
>>>
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>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 4:48 PM, Cheri Mello 
>>> wrote:
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>>>> Top right for Anna:
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-
>>>> RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1839-1853/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1839-1853
>>>> _item1/P40.html
>>>>
>>>> Her father, Candido Jose was from Igreja dos Santos in Lisboa? Or just
>>>> Santos? I'm not familiar with Lisbon, so I'm not too sure how to record
>>>> this one.
>>>>
>>>> This is the 2 great grandfather of the husband of my great-grandaunt.
>>>> So no blood relation.
>>>> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Father's birth location in Lisbon

[Margaret Vicente]

Yes, it says "Santos Velhos" but you got it...it should be recorded
Santos-o-Velho. and do you know why?

Simply because there are two (2) in Lisbon, named Santos: Santos-o-Velho
(church) and Santos-o-Novo (monastery).

Have a look.
http://www.openhouselisboa.com/places/convento-de-santos-o-novo/

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Oops, and Candido's mom's name, right at the watermark. I have an idea, I
> just want to be sure. Thanks!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Here it is in his marriage, on the left, the line above where the
>> watermark starts:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
>> MAEDEDEUS-C-1822-1840/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-C-1822-1840_item1/P119.html
>>
>> It looks like Santos something, I think Santos Velhos, but I'm to record
>> it as Santos-o-Velho, correct?
>>
>> The lines after look like it says Candido fulfilled his Lenten
>> obligations there or in Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca. I can't figure
>> out which. I kinda think SMA. Then he did his 1835 Lenten ones in Povoacao?
>> Thanks! Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Rosemari and Cheri.
>>>
>>> There used to be the parish of Santos as well but in 2012 it was
>>> separated and absorbed by the parish of Estrela.  The bairro/neighbourhood
>>> of Santos i.e. where the church was built is still there but no longer
>>> considered of "freguesia".
>>>
>>> Hope this helps clarify.
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think it's just Santos city of Lisboa?? I Googled Santos de Lisboa
>>>> and it came up. Maybe someone more familier with Lisbon can tell us!
>>>>
>>>> Rosemarie
>>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 4:48 PM, Cheri Mello 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Top right for Anna:
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-
>>>>> RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1839-1853/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1839-1853
>>>>> _item1/P40.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Her father, Candido Jose was from Igreja dos Santos in Lisboa? Or just
>>>>> Santos? I'm not familiar with Lisbon, so I'm not too sure how to record
>>>>> this one.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the 2 great grandfather of the husband of my great-grandaunt.
>>>>> So no blood relation.
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>>>>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Father's birth location in Lisbon

[Margaret Vicente]

Rosemari and Cheri.

There used to be the parish of Santos as well but in 2012 it was separated
and absorbed by the parish of Estrela.  The bairro/neighbourhood of Santos
i.e. where the church was built is still there but no longer considered of
"freguesia".

Hope this helps clarify.

Margaret


On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> I think it's just Santos city of Lisboa?? I Googled Santos de Lisboa and
> it came up. Maybe someone more familier with Lisbon can tell us!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 4:48 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Top right for Anna:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-
>> RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1839-1853/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1839-1853
>> _item1/P40.html
>>
>> Her father, Candido Jose was from Igreja dos Santos in Lisboa? Or just
>> Santos? I'm not familiar with Lisbon, so I'm not too sure how to record
>> this one.
>>
>> This is the 2 great grandfather of the husband of my great-grandaunt. So
>> no blood relation.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Father's birth location in Lisbon

[Margaret Vicente]

Cheri,

It reads "igreja de Santos da cidade de Lisboa"  The full name is actually
Santos-o-Velho.  I was there last month.

Here's a link for a quick view.

http://www.cm-lisboa.pt/equipamentos/equipamento/info/igreja-de-santos-o-velho

Margaret


On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Top right for Anna:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1839-1853/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1839-
> 1853_item1/P40.html
>
> Her father, Candido Jose was from Igreja dos Santos in Lisboa? Or just
> Santos? I'm not familiar with Lisbon, so I'm not too sure how to record
> this one.
>
> This is the 2 great grandfather of the husband of my great-grandaunt. So
> no blood relation.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH MARRIAGE TRANSLATION

[Margaret Vicente]

Glad to hear it, Carmen.

Good luck... :)

Margaret


On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 10:37 PM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> hi margaret
>
> thank you - thank you - thank you
>
> that is francesca !
>
> thanks for the passport too
>
> i'm going to have to check more birth dates to see if francesca's mother
> had any more children before or after she got married
>
> will let you know how i make out
>
> thanks
>
> Carmen M. Furtado
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> On Tue, 8/23/16, Margaret Vicente  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH MARRIAGE TRANSLATION
>  To: "azores" 
>  Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2016, 9:15 PM
>
>  Hi
>  Carmen,
>  I didn't find it
>  eighter.  One thing I noticed is that the couple having the
>  children you listed the mother's name is Teresa.  Your
>  listing Francisca's mom as Mary Nunes.  That seems to
>  indicate a different couple or wife.
>  Found her listed in Horta, passport
>  # 309, which confirms her birth year to be 1889, link
>  below.
>  http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
> PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P224.html
>
>  I also
>  think this is your Francisca, since it matches the birthdate
>  05-Mar-1889 and surname "Nunes" and mother
>  "Maria". Take a look at the name...Ana, crazy,
>  right? But possible if she went by Ana Francisca and used
>  Francisca instead.
>  http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
> digital/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-B-1873-1890/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-B-
> 1873-1890_item1/P116.html
>
>
>
>  Margaret
>  On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at
>  5:40 PM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
>  hi
>  margaret
>
>
>
>  i got her parents names from her marriage and death records
>  and her birth date and birthplace from her citizenship
>  papers from massachusetts records
>
>
>
>  then i went to the azores web page pico-magdelena-bandeiros
>  looking for her baptism record
>
>
>
>  thanks
>
>
>
>  carmen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Carmen M. Furtado
>
>  4 Gray Avenue
>
>  Kingston, Massachusetts 02364-2213 USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  -- --
>
>  On Tue, 8/23/16, Margaret Vicente 
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>   Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH MARRIAGE
>  TRANSLATION
>
>   To: "azores" 
>
>   Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2016, 4:57 PM
>
>
>
>   Carmen,
>
>   In order
>
>   to try to help I would like to ask re Francisca Nunes
>  da
>
>   Silva, how did you get the parents names?  It seems
>
>   you're not quite certain...
>
>   Are you tracing back from her
>
>   marriage documentation or children's birth records
>  in
>
>   the US? You seem to have her approximate birth timeline
>  of
>
>   1889.
>
>   Regarding the
>
>   two links with Maria's birth records.  Those are
>  the
>
>   same record.  One book is a duplicate...confusing,
>  even
>
>   some of the dates don't jive with the headings of
>  the
>
>   book..
>
>   Margaret
>
>
>
>   On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at
>
>   2:24 PM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy
>  
>
>   wrote:
>
>   thank you
>
>   everybody
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   Manuel Nunes da Silveiraage 37
>
>
>
>   married july 28 1882
>
>
>
>   Theresa de Jesusage 23
>
>
>
>   his parents
>
>
>
>   Francisco Nunes da Silveira and
>
>   Theresa Francisca
>
>
>
>   her parents
>
>
>
>   Jose Pereira da Silveira and
>
>   Maria Victoria
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   francesca nunes da silva arrived in america 1906 from
>
>   pico - born circa 1889
>
>
>
>   she married 1907 - parents manuel da silva and maria nunes
>  -
>
>   born circa 1889
>
>
>
>   visited pico 1933 - mother mary nunes silva - born
>  circa
>
>   1889
>
>
>
>   naturalized 1943 - birthdate march 5 1889 - birthplace
>
>   bandeiras
>
>
>
>   died 1943 - parents manuel da silvia and maria nunes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   i couldn't find a baptismal record for francesca -
>  i
>
>   checked every single page on two separate listings
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   i found these children for manuel and theresa
>
>
>
>   manuel born 1885
>
>
>
>   maria born 1

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with names on marriage record

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Joseph,

I'm reading the mother of the groom as "Luzia" da Gloria, not Eulalia.

Margaret

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> Thanks Cheri.
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> I'm reading what you're reading.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Joseph Mendonca > > wrote:
>>
>>> Help with parent's names on marriage record right side of page starting
>>> on 14th line.
>>>
>>> I need confirmation on what I believe them to be.
>>>
>>> Groom's parents: Antonio Paes (ja defunto) and Eulalia da Gloria (both
>>> from Graciosa)
>>> Bride's parent's: Manuel da Silva and Josefa Furtada
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-
>>> ACHADINHA-C-1701-1796/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-C-1701-1796_item1/P149.html
>>>
>>> Thank you.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH MARRIAGE TRANSLATION

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Carmen,

I didn't find it eighter.  One thing I noticed is that the couple having
the children you listed the mother's name is Teresa.  Your listing
Francisca's mom as Mary Nunes.  That seems to indicate a different couple
or wife.

Found her listed in Horta, passport # 309, which confirms her birth year to
be 1889, link below.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P224.html

I also think this is your Francisca, since it matches the birthdate
05-Mar-1889 and surname "Nunes" and mother "Maria". Take a look at the
name...Ana, crazy, right? But possible if she went by Ana Francisca and
used Francisca instead.

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-B-1873-1890/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-B-1873-1890_item1/P116.html



Margaret

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:40 PM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> hi margaret
>
> i got her parents names from her marriage and death records and her birth
> date and birthplace from her citizenship papers from massachusetts records
>
> then i went to the azores web page pico-magdelena-bandeiros looking for
> her baptism record
>
> thanks
>
> carmen
>
>
>
>
> Carmen M. Furtado
> 4 Gray Avenue
> Kingston, Massachusetts 02364-2213 USA
>
>
>
>
> 
> On Tue, 8/23/16, Margaret Vicente  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH MARRIAGE TRANSLATION
>  To: "azores" 
>  Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2016, 4:57 PM
>
>  Carmen,
>  In order
>  to try to help I would like to ask re Francisca Nunes da
>  Silva, how did you get the parents names?  It seems
>  you're not quite certain...
>  Are you tracing back from her
>  marriage documentation or children's birth records in
>  the US? You seem to have her approximate birth timeline of
>  1889.
>  Regarding the
>  two links with Maria's birth records.  Those are the
>  same record.  One book is a duplicate...confusing, even
>  some of the dates don't jive with the headings of the
>  book..
>  Margaret
>
>  On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at
>  2:24 PM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
>  thank you
>  everybody
>
>
>
>  Manuel Nunes da Silveiraage 37
>
>  married july 28 1882
>
>  Theresa de Jesusage 23
>
>  his parents
>
>  Francisco Nunes da Silveira and
>  Theresa Francisca
>
>  her parents
>
>  Jose Pereira da Silveira and
>  Maria Victoria
>
>
>
>  francesca nunes da silva arrived in america 1906 from
>  pico - born circa 1889
>
>  she married 1907 - parents manuel da silva and maria nunes -
>  born circa 1889
>
>  visited pico 1933 - mother mary nunes silva - born circa
>  1889
>
>  naturalized 1943 - birthdate march 5 1889 - birthplace
>  bandeiras
>
>  died 1943 - parents manuel da silvia and maria nunes
>
>
>
>  i couldn't find a baptismal record for francesca - i
>  checked every single page on two separate listings
>
>
>
>  i found these children for manuel and theresa
>
>  manuel born 1885
>
>  maria born 1888
>
>  victoria born 1891
>
>  jose born 1892
>
>
>
>  maria's baptism - february 1888
>
>  http://www.culturacores.
>  azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_ digital/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-B-
>  1874-1895/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-B-
>  1874-1895_item1/P79.html
>
>  http://www.culturacores.
>  azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_ digital/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-B-
>  1873-1890/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-B-
>  1873-1890_item1/P107.html
>
>
>
>  as you can see the birthdates don't match up
>
>
>
>  do you think manuel nunes da silva and theresa francisca are
>  francisca's parents?
>
>
>
>  if not, what names should i search for?
>
>
>
>  thank you
>
>
>
>  Carmen M. Furtado
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>  On Sun, 8/21/16, 'carmen furtado' via Azores
>  Genealogy 
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>   Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH MARRIAGE
>  TRANSLATION
>
>   To: Azores@googlegroups.com
>
>   Date: Sunday, August 21, 2016, 2:22 PM
>
>
>
>   http://www.culturacores.
>  azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_ digital/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-C-
>  1875-1890/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-C-
>  1875-1890_item1/P34.html
>
>
>
>   hi everyone
>
>
>
>   i need help with the marriage for manuel nunes da silva
>  and
>
>   theresa de jesus?
>
>
>
>   july 8 don't know the year
>
>
>
>   can't make ou

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH MARRIAGE TRANSLATION

[Margaret Vicente]

Carmen,

In order to try to help I would like to ask re Francisca Nunes da Silva,
how did you get the parents names?  It seems you're not quite certain...

Are you tracing back from her marriage documentation or children's birth
records in the US? You seem to have her approximate birth timeline of 1889.

Regarding the two links with Maria's birth records.  Those are the same
record.  One book is a duplicate...confusing, even some of the dates don't
jive with the headings of the book..

Margaret


On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 2:24 PM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> thank you everybody
>
> Manuel Nunes da Silveiraage 37
> married july 28 1882
> Theresa de Jesusage 23
> his parents
> Francisco Nunes da Silveira and Theresa Francisca
> her parents
> Jose Pereira da Silveira and Maria Victoria
>
> francesca nunes da silva arrived in america 1906 from pico - born circa
> 1889
> she married 1907 - parents manuel da silva and maria nunes - born circa
> 1889
> visited pico 1933 - mother mary nunes silva - born circa 1889
> naturalized 1943 - birthdate march 5 1889 - birthplace bandeiras
> died 1943 - parents manuel da silvia and maria nunes
>
> i couldn't find a baptismal record for francesca - i checked every single
> page on two separate listings
>
> i found these children for manuel and theresa
> manuel born 1885
> maria born 1888
> victoria born 1891
> jose born 1892
>
> maria's baptism - february 1888
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
> digital/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-B-1874-1895/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-B-
> 1874-1895_item1/P79.html
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
> digital/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-B-1873-1890/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-B-
> 1873-1890_item1/P107.html
>
> as you can see the birthdates don't match up
>
> do you think manuel nunes da silva and theresa francisca are francisca's
> parents?
>
> if not, what names should i search for?
>
> thank you
>
> Carmen M. Furtado
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> On Sun, 8/21/16, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH MARRIAGE TRANSLATION
>  To: Azores@googlegroups.com
>  Date: Sunday, August 21, 2016, 2:22 PM
>
>  http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
> digital/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-C-1875-1890/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-C-
> 1875-1890_item1/P34.html
>
>  hi everyone
>
>  i need help with the marriage for manuel nunes da silva and
>  theresa de jesus?
>
>  july 8 don't know the year
>
>  can't make out parents names
>
>  maria victoria ?
>
>  thank you
>
>  Carmen M. Furtado
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pacheco Rainha Furtado 1882 Ribeira das Tainhas, Sao Miguel island

[Margaret Vicente]

Eliseu,

On the island of S. Miguel, there's a place singularly called "Bretanha" it
is said to have been the place of the French.  However, you can read more
about it by clicking on the links below:

Starting in the 1500'ssee small excerpt and link:
Iberian Union[edit
<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Azores&action=edit§ion=7>
]

In 1583, Philip tried again at defeating the Azoreans. He sent his combined
Iberian fleet to clear the French traders from the Azores, decisively
hanging his prisoners-of-war
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners-of-war> from the yardarms and
contributing to the "Black Legend
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Legend>". The Azores were the
second-to-last part of the Portuguese empire to resist Philip's reign over
Portugal (Macau <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macau> being the last),
Azores was returned to Portuguese control with the end of the Iberian Union
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_Union>, not by the military efforts,
as these were already in Restoration War
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Restoration_War> efforts in the
mainland, but by the people attacking a well-fortified Castilian guarnition.
The Azores served as a port of call
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port#port_of_call> for the Spanish galleons
during their occupation. In December of 1640 the Portuguese monarchy was
restored and the islands again became a Portuguese possession.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Azores


The French invasion in early 1800's.the islands were not immune to the
invasionsee quote below and to read more about it...please click on the
link

*Spain and Portugal: 1807-1809*

In October 1807 Napoleon decides that the only certain method of securing
theContinental System
<http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?gtrack=pthc&ParagraphID=mfu#mfu>
is
a French occupation of Portugal. He despatches an army for the purpose and
summons Spanish envoys to Fontainebleau.

In a treaty signed at Fontainebleau, on October 27, the partition of
Portugal is agreed. France is to have the central section, including Lisbon
and Oporto. The Algarve in the south will go to Godoy, the Spanish king's
unscrupulous chief minister. The north will be granted to the young duke of
Parma in return for his valuable kingdom of Etruria (or in plain terms
Tuscany), which will be ceded to France.

Even before the treaty is signed a French army has entered Spain on its way
to Portugal - where its imminent arrival near Lisbon causes panic. The
royal family and court decide to flee for safety to Brazil, taking with
them (to Napoleon's fury) the gold and silver of the national treasure. A
Portuguese fleet, accompanied by a British squadron, sails from the mouth
of the Tagus on 29 November 1807. The vanguard of the French army enters
the capital city the next day.


Read more:
http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?ParagraphID=hsj#ixzz4I5xEAkl1

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
eliseuman...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Margaret,
>
> Would you mind to clarify about the French domination in Azores?
>
> Thank you,
>
> eliseu
>
>
>
>
>
> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *Em nome
> de *Margaret Vicente
> *Enviada:* 22 de agosto de 2016 17:55
> *Para:* azores 
> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pacheco Rainha Furtado 1882 Ribeira
> das Tainhas, Sao Miguel island
>
>
>
> Thanks John, the links you provided suffices.  You're probably right but
> this name exists in France and it originated in Bourgogne.  Keep in mind
> the island was under the French for a few years.
>
>
>
> Thanks again, John!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 1:18 PM, JR  wrote:
>
> I will send it to you. The records are all in Ribeira das Tainhas until
> about 1839. Before that you will find them in either Vila Franca or Ponta
> Garca. Bargoim. Pretty sure it is just nickname clearly spelled out below
> in beautiful clear handwriting. But most times it is not used at all. There
> are many Furtados in Ribeira das Tainhas.
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1853-1860/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1853-
> 1860_item1/P11.html
>
>
>
> The name is not used in the marriage:
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-C-1839-1860/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-C-1839-
> 1860_item1/P26.html
>
>
>
> JR
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 11:53:01 AM UTC-4, Mara wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
>
>
> I looked for the marriage record but it is not in Matriz Vila Franca 09
> Jun 1851.  I wanted to have a look at how

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pacheco Rainha Furtado 1882 Ribeira das Tainhas, Sao Miguel island

[Margaret Vicente]

Thanks John, the links you provided suffices.  You're probably right but
this name exists in France and it originated in Bourgogne.  Keep in mind
the island was under the French for a few years.

Thanks again, John!


On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 1:18 PM, JR  wrote:

> I will send it to you. The records are all in Ribeira das Tainhas until
> about 1839. Before that you will find them in either Vila Franca or Ponta
> Garca. Bargoim. Pretty sure it is just nickname clearly spelled out below
> in beautiful clear handwriting. But most times it is not used at all. There
> are many Furtados in Ribeira das Tainhas.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1853-1860/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1853-
> 1860_item1/P11.html
>
> The name is not used in the marriage:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-C-1839-1860/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-C-1839-
> 1860_item1/P26.html
>
> JR
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 11:53:01 AM UTC-4, Mara wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I looked for the marriage record but it is not in Matriz Vila Franca 09
>> Jun 1851.  I wanted to have a look at how the name was spelt at that time.
>> I'm wondering if you wouldn't mind verifying the date please.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Their son Francisco born 1882 married a great-aunt of mine. He died
>>> rather young (but left some type of will) and she went over to Praia da
>>> Vitoria on Terceira. I'm not sure when, but she died there in 1971. I think
>>> they had maybe 3 kids, but I took the family group sheet out of the
>>> notebook and it's mixed up in a pile of papers somewhere :(
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pacheco Rainha Furtado 1882 Ribeira das Tainhas, Sao Miguel island

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi John,

I looked for the marriage record but it is not in Matriz Vila Franca 09 Jun
1851.  I wanted to have a look at how the name was spelt at that time.  I'm
wondering if you wouldn't mind verifying the date please.

Thank you,


On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Their son Francisco born 1882 married a great-aunt of mine. He died rather
> young (but left some type of will) and she went over to Praia da Vitoria on
> Terceira. I'm not sure when, but she died there in 1971. I think they had
> maybe 3 kids, but I took the family group sheet out of the notebook and
> it's mixed up in a pile of papers somewhere :(
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pacheco Rainha Furtado 1882 Ribeira das Tainhas, Sao Miguel island

[Margaret Vicente]

Sorry, neglected to look at the 2nd line.  That being the case we just put
it together and the way it reads:  Burge+ims or Burgeims.  or "Bourgeois"
in French also associated with the Renaissance times "Borgia" or Borges
present day Portuguese.





On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 12:05 AM, linda  wrote:

> Cheri, I think you are correct.
>
> First, if you look at the auditor's signature (in the right hand corner)
> on the previous and following pages, it is clearly starts by going straight
> up.  And second, the priest indicates words which are broken at the end of
> a line and continue on the next line with an underscore at the end of the
> line.  It looks to me like there's an underscore at the end of the first
> line which would mean that the maternal grandfather's name is broken into
> two sections "Burge_im" or "Burgo_im" 
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 8:31:41 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> What about the 2nd line?
>> im (could be "ins") e de Margarida de Jesus...
>> What's the "im" or "ins" doing there?
>>
>> Yeah, I thought there was no godmother. My notes said Francisca da Santa
>> ___. I think it was handwritten on a piece of paper and I put it on the
>> wrong person! I did this work years ago from the microfilm and some of the
>> notes I wrote were in the dark microfilm room! I was looking at it today,
>> shaking my head, and not seeing any Francisca da Santa Whatever.
>>
>> Thanks, Cheri
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pacheco Rainha Furtado 1882 Ribeira das Tainhas, Sao Miguel island

[Margaret Vicente]

I read as Furtado Borges, however the "s" seems to have been left out...but
it is Borges

Re godmother - it reads "nao teve madrinha"  did not have godmother.

On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Top right record, top line:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-
> 1889_item1/P72.html
>
> maternal de Antonio Furtado B..(looks almost like Borges) BUT the next
> line looks like -im . Can anyone get his final name?
>
> Also, I transcribed this one a long time ago and I wrote that there's a
> godmother in there. I'm thinking I mistyped the notes from years ago (when
> I used to copy notes down from the film). I must have mixed up the notes. I
> see no godmother. Or my eyes are going! Please confirm there's no godmother.
>
> Thanks, Cheri!
> Cheri Mello
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> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS - Vila Franca do Campo

[Margaret Vicente]

Eliseu,

I don't have any of your Medeiros combination.  Aside from the 'simple'
Medeiros.  Direct lines are:  Medeiros: Moniz, da Mota, Pacheco, Correia,
Barbosa.

I have Medeiros Sousa and Medeiros Tavares but they are from Agua de Pau.

My data is not on line, stationed on my desktop, sorry.

Who exactly are you looking for?


On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
eliseuman...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks a lot!
>
>
>
> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *Em nome
> de *Margaret Vicente
> *Enviada:* 21 de agosto de 2016 20:56
>
> *Para:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS - Vila Franca do Campo
>
>
>
> Eliseu, I'll check it out when I get home but sure they're from S Miguel
> VF and yes some are direct to me. No garoupa's though
>
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 1:47 PM Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
> eliseuman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Margaret!
>
> Are they your direct line? Are they related to any GAROUPA, or DUARTE or
> FURTADO or SOUSA?
>
> Which freguesias are yours from?
>
> If you could visit my online work please let me know and I will send you
> na invitation to it. Is it possible to visit your data?
>
>
>
> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *Em nome
> de *Margaret Vicente
> *Enviada:* 21 de agosto de 2016 15:55
> *Para:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS - Vila Franca do Campo
>
>
>
> I have a few, Eliseu
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 21, 2016, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Is there anyone with the MEDEIROS surname from Vila Franca do Campo,
> mainly from Freguesia de Água d’Alto (São Lázaro) and Freguesia de Matriz
> de Vila Franca do Campo (S. Miguel Arcanjo).
>
> I am trying to link the Medeiros to one another but I am having big
> trouble with it: a loto f people have the same names… also I suspect that
> some of the registries are wrong due to the similar names… As you know some
> of the “assentos” have been “recopyed”, some are missing and some are lost
> “forever”. I am also trying to link them to S. Miguel first settlers…
>
> As you also know my research is public so anyone may profit on it J.
>
> If anyone wants to help to solve this “mystery” the next researchers would
> apreciate it.
>
>
>
> Muito Obrigado,
>
> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva, “sharing is the best way of growth… so stay
> gold!”*
>
> *Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)*
>
> (http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS - Vila Franca do Campo

[Margaret Vicente]

Eliseu, I'll check it out when I get home but sure they're from S Miguel VF
and yes some are direct to me. No garoupa's though
On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 1:47 PM Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
eliseuman...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Margaret!
>
> Are they your direct line? Are they related to any GAROUPA, or DUARTE or
> FURTADO or SOUSA?
>
> Which freguesias are yours from?
>
> If you could visit my online work please let me know and I will send you
> na invitation to it. Is it possible to visit your data?
>
>
>
> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *Em nome
> de *Margaret Vicente
> *Enviada:* 21 de agosto de 2016 15:55
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> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS - Vila Franca do Campo
>
>
>
> I have a few, Eliseu
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 21, 2016, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Is there anyone with the MEDEIROS surname from Vila Franca do Campo,
> mainly from Freguesia de Água d’Alto (São Lázaro) and Freguesia de Matriz
> de Vila Franca do Campo (S. Miguel Arcanjo).
>
> I am trying to link the Medeiros to one another but I am having big
> trouble with it: a loto f people have the same names… also I suspect that
> some of the registries are wrong due to the similar names… As you know some
> of the “assentos” have been “recopyed”, some are missing and some are lost
> “forever”. I am also trying to link them to S. Miguel first settlers…
>
> As you also know my research is public so anyone may profit on it J.
>
> If anyone wants to help to solve this “mystery” the next researchers would
> apreciate it.
>
>
>
> Muito Obrigado,
>
> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva, “sharing is the best way of growth… so stay
> gold!”*
>
> *Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)*
>
> (http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS - Vila Franca do Campo

[Margaret Vicente]

I have a few, Eliseu


On Sunday, August 21, 2016, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Is there anyone with the MEDEIROS surname from Vila Franca do Campo,
> mainly from Freguesia de Água d’Alto (São Lázaro) and Freguesia de Matriz
> de Vila Franca do Campo (S. Miguel Arcanjo).
>
> I am trying to link the Medeiros to one another but I am having big
> trouble with it: a loto f people have the same names… also I suspect that
> some of the registries are wrong due to the similar names… As you know some
> of the “assentos” have been “recopyed”, some are missing and some are lost
> “forever”. I am also trying to link them to S. Miguel first settlers…
>
> As you also know my research is public so anyone may profit on it J.
>
> If anyone wants to help to solve this “mystery” the next researchers would
> apreciate it.
>
>
>
> Muito Obrigado,
>
> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva, “sharing is the best way of growth… so stay
> gold!”*
>
> *Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)*
>
> (http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors of Manuel dos Santos, Agua de Pau, SM

[Margaret Vicente]

Correct.  Maria de Jesus (1874) is 2nd daughter of the name Maria, as noted
on the record.  The first being Maria do Carmo.  There can be multiple
Maria's in one single family :)

Here's Jose and Alzira's records

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1890-1899/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1890-1899_item1/P81.html

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1890-1899/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1890-1899_item1/P432.html

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> Margaret,
>
> I was reading the passport wrong.  Maria de Jesus was not the cunhada to
> Francisco Joaquim Cabral.  She was his daughter and
> cunhada to Manoel Martins Morte.  I searched and found another Maria born
> to Francisco Joaquim Cabral in 1874.  She would have
> been 22 yrs old by 1896.  The same age as Maria de Jesus on the passport.
>
> Maria Augusta's mother, Maria do Carmo Cabral, was not dead when this new
> Maria was born because she did not have Maria Augusta
> until 1882.  If I remember correctly, Alexandre (my match) thought Maria
> Augusta may have went to Brazil in 1895.  I am waiting for a
> response from him.  I did not see the name Alzira, but agree with your
> assesment.  Thank you.
>
> Maria's birth--2 pages bottom right and top left.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1870-1879/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1870-1879_item1/P246.html
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1870-1879/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1870-1879_item1/P247.html
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sandra,
>>
>> You got it right...except the child Maria, the name is Alzira.
>>
>> I always remember the saying "where there is smoke, there is fire".
>> Maria Augusta is not in this page.  You will have to go through the
>> passport records with a fine tooth comb.  There numerous possibility but
>> I'm looking at two scenarios.
>>
>> 1) Since her family doesn't show up in Agua de Pau having more children
>> or by her mother's death record.  It is possible they left for Brasil early
>> 1880's after her birth or,
>> 2) She left on her own in the company of another relative or neighbour.
>> You may have to check from 1881 to 1896.
>>
>> By my calculations based on her age at marriage plus two children 3 years
>> old and 10 months.  This places her in Brasil in 1896/1895 at about 15/14
>> years of age.
>>
>> Without this proof I don't think you can tie in to the Agua de Pau
>> records.  Her mother's name is Senhorinha and I haven't seen it in this
>> specific parish for the Cabral surname.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Sandra Perez 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Margaret,
>>>
>>> #1938 Philomena Clementina Cabral was Maria Augusta's aunt and
>>> godmother.  She married #1937 Manoel Martins Morte son of
>>> Jose Martins Morte and Roza Julia.  If I am reading this correctly,
>>> Philomena and Manoel had two children, Jose and Maria.  I also see #1941
>>> Maria de Jesus (cunhada) to Francisco Joaquim Cabral.
>>>
>>> Maria Augusta was born in 1882.  She would have been 14 yrs. old  1896.
>>> I don't see her name. Was she already in Brazil or were they
>>> preparing arrangements for her to come?  Was is likely a young girl or
>>> you woman travel alone in those days?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sandra,
>>>>
>>>> Passports.  Maria Augusta's family.  Passport # 786.  Passenger group:
>>>> 1937-1941. Perhaps more family went around that time but I didn't find it
>>>> yet.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS
>>>> SAPORTES-PDL-1896-1900/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1896-1900_item1/P6.html
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Sandra Perez <
>>>> perezsandra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Margaret,
>>>>>
>>>>> I had other info that Alexandre sent me from Brazil when he first
>>>>> contacted me.  I lost that when my computer died.  I will contact him
>>>>> again.  Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>&

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors of Manuel dos Santos, Agua de Pau, SM

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Sandra,

You got it right...except the child Maria, the name is Alzira.

I always remember the saying "where there is smoke, there is fire".  Maria
Augusta is not in this page.  You will have to go through the passport
records with a fine tooth comb.  There numerous possibility but I'm looking
at two scenarios.

1) Since her family doesn't show up in Agua de Pau having more children or
by her mother's death record.  It is possible they left for Brasil early
1880's after her birth or,
2) She left on her own in the company of another relative or neighbour. You
may have to check from 1881 to 1896.

By my calculations based on her age at marriage plus two children 3 years
old and 10 months.  This places her in Brasil in 1896/1895 at about 15/14
years of age.

Without this proof I don't think you can tie in to the Agua de Pau
records.  Her mother's name is Senhorinha and I haven't seen it in this
specific parish for the Cabral surname.



On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> Margaret,
>
> #1938 Philomena Clementina Cabral was Maria Augusta's aunt and godmother.
> She married #1937 Manoel Martins Morte son of
> Jose Martins Morte and Roza Julia.  If I am reading this correctly,
> Philomena and Manoel had two children, Jose and Maria.  I also see #1941
> Maria de Jesus (cunhada) to Francisco Joaquim Cabral.
>
> Maria Augusta was born in 1882.  She would have been 14 yrs. old  1896.  I
> don't see her name. Was she already in Brazil or were they
> preparing arrangements for her to come?  Was is likely a young girl or you
> woman travel alone in those days?
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sandra,
>>
>> Passports.  Maria Augusta's family.  Passport # 786.  Passenger group:
>> 1937-1941. Perhaps more family went around that time but I didn't find it
>> yet.
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
>> PASSAPORTES-PDL-1896-1900/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1896-1900_item1/P6.html
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Sandra Perez 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Margaret,
>>>
>>> I had other info that Alexandre sent me from Brazil when he first
>>> contacted me.  I lost that when my computer died.  I will contact him
>>> again.  Thank you.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sandra,
>>>>
>>>> Unless you have some other information that points to Agua de Pau, S.
>>>> Miguel, Azores.  The parents on the marriage record are not the same
>>>> couple, and it only states Portugal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Sandra Perez >>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have not found her passport yet, however, I have her marriage and
>>>>> birth for one child.  She had two children before she married the father,
>>>>> Joao Ibrahim Ene.  Alexandre (my DNA match) thinks she was using her
>>>>> grandparents as her parents*.  *I did not find a certification for a
>>>>> passport on their records.  I hope you can open these.  I have a new
>>>>> laptop and have to fix it so I can open in Adobe.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sandra,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did a sweep of the records and did not find them at all.  They must
>>>>>> have moved elsewhere.  Do you have Maria Agusta's passport record?  When
>>>>>> did she leave from Brasil? It should give a clue as to whom she was 
>>>>>> living
>>>>>> with and the location.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it is up the line 4 generations
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:50 PM Sandra Perez <
>>>>>>> perezsandra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That may be further down my line.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>>>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors of Manuel dos Santos, Agua de Pau, SM

[Margaret Vicente]

Sandra,

Passports.  Maria Augusta's family.  Passport # 786.  Passenger group:
1937-1941. Perhaps more family went around that time but I didn't find it
yet.

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1896-1900/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1896-1900_item1/P6.html

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> Margaret,
>
> I had other info that Alexandre sent me from Brazil when he first
> contacted me.  I lost that when my computer died.  I will contact him
> again.  Thank you.
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sandra,
>>
>> Unless you have some other information that points to Agua de Pau, S.
>> Miguel, Azores.  The parents on the marriage record are not the same
>> couple, and it only states Portugal.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Sandra Perez 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have not found her passport yet, however, I have her marriage and
>>> birth for one child.  She had two children before she married the father,
>>> Joao Ibrahim Ene.  Alexandre (my DNA match) thinks she was using her
>>> grandparents as her parents*.  *I did not find a certification for a
>>> passport on their records.  I hope you can open these.  I have a new
>>> laptop and have to fix it so I can open in Adobe.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sandra,
>>>>
>>>> Did a sweep of the records and did not find them at all.  They must
>>>> have moved elsewhere.  Do you have Maria Agusta's passport record?  When
>>>> did she leave from Brasil? It should give a clue as to whom she was living
>>>> with and the location.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No, it is up the line 4 generations
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:50 PM Sandra Perez 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That may be further down my line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sorry, Manuel dos Santos (the son) is the brother of my 4th GM
>>>>>>> Teresa Borges dos Santos.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Sandra Perez <
>>>>>>> perezsandra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was  Manoel dos Santos wife Mari Borges?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>>>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Sandra,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I descend from Maria de Sequeira Naborges or Borges married to
>>>>>>>>> Manuel dos Santos Dec 27 1730.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll have a look at the records to see if I can help.  I don't
>>>>>>>>> have his 2nd marriage either, but I'll give it a try if I find 
>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>> I'll let you know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sandra Perez <
>>>>>>>>> perezsandra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maragaret,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maria do Carmo was supposed to have died and Joao dos Santos
>>>>>>>>>> Botelho remarried.  I cannot find her death or his remarriage. They
>>>>>>>>>> had daughter, Maria Augusta Cabral, who ended up in Brazil.  She
>>>>>>>>>> was the great-grandmother of my DNA match in Brazil.  The story is
>>>>>>>>>> Maria do Carmo died when Maria Augusta was a child and she did
>>>>>>>>>> not like her step-mother who was a cousin of her father.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Who do you descend from?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>&

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors of Manuel dos Santos, Agua de Pau, SM

[Margaret Vicente]

Sandra,

Unless you have some other information that points to Agua de Pau, S.
Miguel, Azores.  The parents on the marriage record are not the same
couple, and it only states Portugal.



On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> I have not found her passport yet, however, I have her marriage and birth
> for one child.  She had two children before she married the father,
> Joao Ibrahim Ene.  Alexandre (my DNA match) thinks she was using her
> grandparents as her parents*.  *I did not find a certification for a
> passport on their records.  I hope you can open these.  I have a new
> laptop and have to fix it so I can open in Adobe.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sandra,
>>
>> Did a sweep of the records and did not find them at all.  They must have
>> moved elsewhere.  Do you have Maria Agusta's passport record?  When did she
>> leave from Brasil? It should give a clue as to whom she was living with and
>> the location.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No, it is up the line 4 generations
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:50 PM Sandra Perez 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That may be further down my line.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> sorry, Manuel dos Santos (the son) is the brother of my 4th GM Teresa
>>>>> Borges dos Santos.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Sandra Perez <
>>>>> perezsandra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Was  Manoel dos Santos wife Mari Borges?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Sandra,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I descend from Maria de Sequeira Naborges or Borges married to
>>>>>>> Manuel dos Santos Dec 27 1730.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll have a look at the records to see if I can help.  I don't have
>>>>>>> his 2nd marriage either, but I'll give it a try if I find anything I'll 
>>>>>>> let
>>>>>>> you know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sandra Perez <
>>>>>>> perezsandra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maragaret,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maria do Carmo was supposed to have died and Joao dos Santos
>>>>>>>> Botelho remarried.  I cannot find her death or his remarriage. They
>>>>>>>> had daughter, Maria Augusta Cabral, who ended up in Brazil.  She
>>>>>>>> was the great-grandmother of my DNA match in Brazil.  The story is
>>>>>>>> Maria do Carmo died when Maria Augusta was a child and she did not
>>>>>>>> like her step-mother who was a cousin of her father.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who do you descend from?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maria
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>>>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sandra,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I have this couple...they're extended family..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Sandra Perez <
>>>>>>>>> perezsandra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Margaret,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you have Joao dos Santos Botelho who married Maria do Carmo
>>>>>>>>>> Cabral on 23 Nov 1881?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:15 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>>>>>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>&g

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors of Manuel dos Santos, Agua de Pau, SM

[Margaret Vicente]

Sandra,

Did a sweep of the records and did not find them at all.  They must have
moved elsewhere.  Do you have Maria Agusta's passport record?  When did she
leave from Brasil? It should give a clue as to whom she was living with and
the location.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> No, it is up the line 4 generations
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:50 PM Sandra Perez 
> wrote:
>
>> That may be further down my line.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> sorry, Manuel dos Santos (the son) is the brother of my 4th GM Teresa
>>> Borges dos Santos.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Sandra Perez 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Was  Manoel dos Santos wife Mari Borges?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sandra,
>>>>>
>>>>> I descend from Maria de Sequeira Naborges or Borges married to Manuel
>>>>> dos Santos Dec 27 1730.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll have a look at the records to see if I can help.  I don't have
>>>>> his 2nd marriage either, but I'll give it a try if I find anything I'll 
>>>>> let
>>>>> you know.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sandra Perez <
>>>>> perezsandra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maragaret,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maria do Carmo was supposed to have died and Joao dos Santos Botelho
>>>>>> remarried.  I cannot find her death or his remarriage. They
>>>>>> had daughter, Maria Augusta Cabral, who ended up in Brazil.  She was
>>>>>> the great-grandmother of my DNA match in Brazil.  The story is
>>>>>> Maria do Carmo died when Maria Augusta was a child and she did not
>>>>>> like her step-mother who was a cousin of her father.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who do you descend from?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maria
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sandra,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I have this couple...they're extended family..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Sandra Perez <
>>>>>>> perezsandra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Margaret,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you have Joao dos Santos Botelho who married Maria do Carmo
>>>>>>>> Cabral on 23 Nov 1881?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:15 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>>>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This my direct line...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Herb 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Does anyone in the group have this family? Herb*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Ahnentafel Chart for Manuel Dos Santos*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *First Generation*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   1.* Manuel Dos Santos * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao
>>>>>>>>>> Miguel, Azores, Portugal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Godfather was Francisco da Mota Junior, saddle maker, single,
>>>>>>>>>> resident of same village
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Godmother was Maria da Gloria,

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors of Manuel dos Santos, Agua de Pau, SM

[Margaret Vicente]

No, it is up the line 4 generations

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:50 PM Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> That may be further down my line.
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> sorry, Manuel dos Santos (the son) is the brother of my 4th GM Teresa
>> Borges dos Santos.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Sandra Perez 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Was  Manoel dos Santos wife Mari Borges?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Sandra,
>>>>
>>>> I descend from Maria de Sequeira Naborges or Borges married to Manuel
>>>> dos Santos Dec 27 1730.
>>>>
>>>> I'll have a look at the records to see if I can help.  I don't have his
>>>> 2nd marriage either, but I'll give it a try if I find anything I'll let you
>>>> know.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sandra Perez >>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Maragaret,
>>>>>
>>>>> Maria do Carmo was supposed to have died and Joao dos Santos Botelho
>>>>> remarried.  I cannot find her death or his remarriage. They
>>>>> had daughter, Maria Augusta Cabral, who ended up in Brazil.  She was
>>>>> the great-grandmother of my DNA match in Brazil.  The story is
>>>>> Maria do Carmo died when Maria Augusta was a child and she did not
>>>>> like her step-mother who was a cousin of her father.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who do you descend from?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maria
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sandra,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I have this couple...they're extended family..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Sandra Perez <
>>>>>> perezsandra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Margaret,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you have Joao dos Santos Botelho who married Maria do Carmo
>>>>>>> Cabral on 23 Nov 1881?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:15 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This my direct line...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Herb 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Does anyone in the group have this family? Herb*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Ahnentafel Chart for Manuel Dos Santos*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *First Generation*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   1.* Manuel Dos Santos * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao
>>>>>>>>> Miguel, Azores, Portugal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Godfather was Francisco da Mota Junior, saddle maker, single,
>>>>>>>>> resident of same village
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Godmother was Maria da Gloria, single of same village
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Manuel married *Ricarda do Espirito Santo * daughter of Antonio
>>>>>>>>> Jacinto da Costa Ferraz and Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 11 
>>>>>>>>> Apr
>>>>>>>>> 1836 in Sao Roque, Rosto do Cao, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. 
>>>>>>>>> Ricarda was
>>>>>>>>> born on 16 May 1820 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel Azores Portugal. She 
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> christened on 23 May 1820.
&g

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors of Manuel dos Santos, Agua de Pau, SM

[Margaret Vicente]

sorry, Manuel dos Santos (the son) is the brother of my 4th GM Teresa
Borges dos Santos.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> Was  Manoel dos Santos wife Mari Borges?
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sandra,
>>
>> I descend from Maria de Sequeira Naborges or Borges married to Manuel dos
>> Santos Dec 27 1730.
>>
>> I'll have a look at the records to see if I can help.  I don't have his
>> 2nd marriage either, but I'll give it a try if I find anything I'll let you
>> know.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sandra Perez 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Maragaret,
>>>
>>> Maria do Carmo was supposed to have died and Joao dos Santos Botelho
>>> remarried.  I cannot find her death or his remarriage. They
>>> had daughter, Maria Augusta Cabral, who ended up in Brazil.  She was the
>>> great-grandmother of my DNA match in Brazil.  The story is
>>> Maria do Carmo died when Maria Augusta was a child and she did not like
>>> her step-mother who was a cousin of her father.
>>>
>>> Who do you descend from?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maria
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sandra,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I have this couple...they're extended family..
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Sandra Perez >>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Margaret,
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have Joao dos Santos Botelho who married Maria do Carmo Cabral
>>>>> on 23 Nov 1881?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:15 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This my direct line...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Herb 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Does anyone in the group have this family? Herb*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Ahnentafel Chart for Manuel Dos Santos*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *First Generation*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   1.* Manuel Dos Santos * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel,
>>>>>>> Azores, Portugal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Godfather was Francisco da Mota Junior, saddle maker, single,
>>>>>>> resident of same village
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Godmother was Maria da Gloria, single of same village
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Manuel married *Ricarda do Espirito Santo * daughter of Antonio
>>>>>>> Jacinto da Costa Ferraz and Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 11 
>>>>>>> Apr
>>>>>>> 1836 in Sao Roque, Rosto do Cao, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. Ricarda 
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> born on 16 May 1820 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel Azores Portugal. She was
>>>>>>> christened on 23 May 1820.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Second Generation*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   2.* Joao Dos Santos *.Joao married Anna Francisca Botelho on
>>>>>>> 18 Feb 1812 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel Azores Portugal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marriage witnesses were Antonio Joaquim, son of Ana Eugenia, widow
>>>>>>> of Lieutenante Manuel de
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Medeiros and Antonio Caetano da Costa, all residents of this village
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>&

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors of Manuel dos Santos, Agua de Pau, SM

[Margaret Vicente]

That depends which one you're referring to.  there's father an son,

Manuel dos Santos married tona Jacinta de Oliveira Martins is the son of
Manuel dos Sanros and Maria de Sequeira Naborges.

Manuels dos Santos (the son) is my 4GM Teresa Borges dos Santos married to
Antonio Ferreira Jun 8 1778


On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> Was  Manoel dos Santos wife Mari Borges?
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sandra,
>>
>> I descend from Maria de Sequeira Naborges or Borges married to Manuel dos
>> Santos Dec 27 1730.
>>
>> I'll have a look at the records to see if I can help.  I don't have his
>> 2nd marriage either, but I'll give it a try if I find anything I'll let you
>> know.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sandra Perez 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Maragaret,
>>>
>>> Maria do Carmo was supposed to have died and Joao dos Santos Botelho
>>> remarried.  I cannot find her death or his remarriage. They
>>> had daughter, Maria Augusta Cabral, who ended up in Brazil.  She was the
>>> great-grandmother of my DNA match in Brazil.  The story is
>>> Maria do Carmo died when Maria Augusta was a child and she did not like
>>> her step-mother who was a cousin of her father.
>>>
>>> Who do you descend from?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maria
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sandra,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I have this couple...they're extended family..
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Sandra Perez >>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Margaret,
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have Joao dos Santos Botelho who married Maria do Carmo Cabral
>>>>> on 23 Nov 1881?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:15 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This my direct line...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Herb 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Does anyone in the group have this family? Herb*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Ahnentafel Chart for Manuel Dos Santos*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *First Generation*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   1.* Manuel Dos Santos * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel,
>>>>>>> Azores, Portugal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Godfather was Francisco da Mota Junior, saddle maker, single,
>>>>>>> resident of same village
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Godmother was Maria da Gloria, single of same village
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Manuel married *Ricarda do Espirito Santo * daughter of Antonio
>>>>>>> Jacinto da Costa Ferraz and Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 11 
>>>>>>> Apr
>>>>>>> 1836 in Sao Roque, Rosto do Cao, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. Ricarda 
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> born on 16 May 1820 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel Azores Portugal. She was
>>>>>>> christened on 23 May 1820.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Second Generation*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   2.* Joao Dos Santos *.Joao married Anna Francisca Botelho on
>>>>>>> 18 Feb 1812 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel Azores Portugal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marriage witnesses were Antonio Joaquim, son of Ana Eugenia, widow
>>>>>>> of Lieutenante Manuel de
>>>>>>>
>>>>&

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors of Manuel dos Santos, Agua de Pau, SM

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Sandra,

I descend from Maria de Sequeira Naborges or Borges married to Manuel dos
Santos Dec 27 1730.

I'll have a look at the records to see if I can help.  I don't have his 2nd
marriage either, but I'll give it a try if I find anything I'll let you
know.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> Maragaret,
>
> Maria do Carmo was supposed to have died and Joao dos Santos Botelho
> remarried.  I cannot find her death or his remarriage. They
> had daughter, Maria Augusta Cabral, who ended up in Brazil.  She was the
> great-grandmother of my DNA match in Brazil.  The story is
> Maria do Carmo died when Maria Augusta was a child and she did not like
> her step-mother who was a cousin of her father.
>
> Who do you descend from?
>
>
>
> Maria
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sandra,
>>
>> Yes, I have this couple...they're extended family..
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Sandra Perez 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Margaret,
>>>
>>> Do you have Joao dos Santos Botelho who married Maria do Carmo Cabral on
>>> 23 Nov 1881?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:15 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Herb,
>>>>
>>>> This my direct line...
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Herb  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> *Does anyone in the group have this family? Herb*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Ahnentafel Chart for Manuel Dos Santos*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *First Generation*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   1.* Manuel Dos Santos * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel,
>>>>> Azores, Portugal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Godfather was Francisco da Mota Junior, saddle maker, single, resident
>>>>> of same village
>>>>>
>>>>> Godmother was Maria da Gloria, single of same village
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Manuel married *Ricarda do Espirito Santo * daughter of Antonio
>>>>> Jacinto da Costa Ferraz and Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 11 Apr
>>>>> 1836 in Sao Roque, Rosto do Cao, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. Ricarda was
>>>>> born on 16 May 1820 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel Azores Portugal. She was
>>>>> christened on 23 May 1820.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Second Generation*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   2.* Joao Dos Santos *.Joao married Anna Francisca Botelho on 18
>>>>> Feb 1812 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel Azores Portugal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marriage witnesses were Antonio Joaquim, son of Ana Eugenia, widow of
>>>>> Lieutenante Manuel de
>>>>>
>>>>> Medeiros and Antonio Caetano da Costa, all residents of this village
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   3.* Anna Francisca Botelho * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao
>>>>> Miguel Azores Portugal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Third Generation*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   4.* Manuel Dos Santos *.Manuel married Ana Jacinta.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   5.* Ana Jacinta * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel Azores
>>>>> Portugal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   6.* Jose Botelho * was born in Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel,
>>>>> Azores. He married Luzia Inacia da Ponte on 24 Jan 1784 in Agua de Pau, 
>>>>> Sao
>>>>> Miguel, Azores, Portugal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marriage witnesses were Andre Martins Antunes and Lourenco Costa,
>>>>> bothe married men and both
>>>>>
>>>>> residents of

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors of Manuel dos Santos, Agua de Pau, SM

[Margaret Vicente]

Sandra,

Yes, I have this couple...they're extended family..

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> Margaret,
>
> Do you have Joao dos Santos Botelho who married Maria do Carmo Cabral on
> 23 Nov 1881?
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:15 AM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Herb,
>>
>> This my direct line...
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Herb  wrote:
>>
>>> *Does anyone in the group have this family? Herb*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Ahnentafel Chart for Manuel Dos Santos*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *First Generation*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   1.* Manuel Dos Santos * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel,
>>> Azores, Portugal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Godfather was Francisco da Mota Junior, saddle maker, single, resident
>>> of same village
>>>
>>> Godmother was Maria da Gloria, single of same village
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Manuel married *Ricarda do Espirito Santo * daughter of Antonio Jacinto
>>> da Costa Ferraz and Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 11 Apr 1836 in
>>> Sao Roque, Rosto do Cao, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. Ricarda was born on
>>> 16 May 1820 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel Azores Portugal. She was christened
>>> on 23 May 1820.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Second Generation*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   2.* Joao Dos Santos *.Joao married Anna Francisca Botelho on 18
>>> Feb 1812 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel Azores Portugal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Marriage witnesses were Antonio Joaquim, son of Ana Eugenia, widow of
>>> Lieutenante Manuel de
>>>
>>> Medeiros and Antonio Caetano da Costa, all residents of this village
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   3.* Anna Francisca Botelho * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel
>>> Azores Portugal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Third Generation*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   4.* Manuel Dos Santos *.Manuel married Ana Jacinta.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   5.* Ana Jacinta * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel Azores
>>> Portugal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   6.* Jose Botelho * was born in Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel,
>>> Azores. He married Luzia Inacia da Ponte on 24 Jan 1784 in Agua de Pau, Sao
>>> Miguel, Azores, Portugal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Marriage witnesses were Andre Martins Antunes and Lourenco Costa, bothe
>>> married men and both
>>>
>>> residents of this village
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   7.* Luzia Inacia da Ponte * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel
>>> Azores Portugal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Fourth Generation*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 10.* unknown *.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 12.* Jose Botelho Furtado * was born in Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel,
>>> Azores. He married Cecilia Medeiros on 9 Jul 1736 in Faial da Terra, Sao
>>> Miguel, Azores.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 13.* Cecilia Medeiros * was born in Agua Retorta, Sao Miguel,
>>> Azores, Portugal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 14.* Estevao da Ponte * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel,
>>> Azores, Portugal. He married Josefa Pacheco on 17 Nov 1755 in Matriz, Vila
>>> Franca, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Witneses at this mrriage were Antonio Gonsalves, Manuel Vidal and many
>>> other people who were
>>>
>>> present
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 15.* Josefa Pacheco * was born in Matriz, Vila Franca, Sao Miguel,
>>> Azores, Portugal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Fifth Generation*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 24.* Francisco Costa Homem * was born in Agua Retorta, Sao Miguel,
>>> Azores, Portugal. He died before Jul 1730. He married Maria Botelho.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 25.* Maria Botelho * was born

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors of Manuel dos Santos, Agua de Pau, SM

[Margaret Vicente]

Herb,

This my direct line...

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Herb  wrote:

> *Does anyone in the group have this family? Herb*
>
>
>
> *Ahnentafel Chart for Manuel Dos Santos*
>
>
>
>
> *First Generation*
>
>
>
>   1.* Manuel Dos Santos * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel,
> Azores, Portugal.
>
>
>
> Godfather was Francisco da Mota Junior, saddle maker, single, resident of
> same village
>
> Godmother was Maria da Gloria, single of same village
>
>
>
> Manuel married *Ricarda do Espirito Santo * daughter of Antonio Jacinto
> da Costa Ferraz and Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 11 Apr 1836 in
> Sao Roque, Rosto do Cao, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. Ricarda was born on
> 16 May 1820 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel Azores Portugal. She was christened
> on 23 May 1820.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Second Generation*
>
>
>
>   2.* Joao Dos Santos *.Joao married Anna Francisca Botelho on 18 Feb
> 1812 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel Azores Portugal.
>
>
>
> Marriage witnesses were Antonio Joaquim, son of Ana Eugenia, widow of
> Lieutenante Manuel de
>
> Medeiros and Antonio Caetano da Costa, all residents of this village
>
>
>
>
>
>   3.* Anna Francisca Botelho * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel
> Azores Portugal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Third Generation*
>
>
>
>   4.* Manuel Dos Santos *.Manuel married Ana Jacinta.
>
>
>
>   5.* Ana Jacinta * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel Azores
> Portugal.
>
>
>
>   6.* Jose Botelho * was born in Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel, Azores.
> He married Luzia Inacia da Ponte on 24 Jan 1784 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel,
> Azores, Portugal.
>
>
>
> Marriage witnesses were Andre Martins Antunes and Lourenco Costa, bothe
> married men and both
>
> residents of this village
>
>
>
>
>
>   7.* Luzia Inacia da Ponte * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel
> Azores Portugal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Fourth Generation*
>
>
>
> 10.* unknown *.
>
>
>
> 12.* Jose Botelho Furtado * was born in Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel,
> Azores. He married Cecilia Medeiros on 9 Jul 1736 in Faial da Terra, Sao
> Miguel, Azores.
>
>
>
> 13.* Cecilia Medeiros * was born in Agua Retorta, Sao Miguel, Azores,
> Portugal.
>
>
>
> 14.* Estevao da Ponte * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel, Azores,
> Portugal. He married Josefa Pacheco on 17 Nov 1755 in Matriz, Vila Franca,
> Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal.
>
>
>
> Witneses at this mrriage were Antonio Gonsalves, Manuel Vidal and many
> other people who were
>
> present
>
>
>
>
>
> 15.* Josefa Pacheco * was born in Matriz, Vila Franca, Sao Miguel,
> Azores, Portugal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Fifth Generation*
>
>
>
> 24.* Francisco Costa Homem * was born in Agua Retorta, Sao Miguel,
> Azores, Portugal. He died before Jul 1730. He married Maria Botelho.
>
>
>
> 25.* Maria Botelho * was born in Agua Retorta, Sao Miguel, Azores,
> Portugal. She died on 12 Jul 1730.
>
>
>
> 26.* Manuel Raposo Carvalho * was born in Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel,
> Azores. He married Isabel Furtado.
>
>
>
> 27.* Isabel Furtado * was born in Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel, Azores.
>
>
>
> 28.* Manuel Vieira Cama * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel,
> Azores, Portugal. He married Maria da Ponte.
>
>
>
> 29.* Maria da Ponte * was born in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel, Azores,
> Portugal.
>
>
>
> 30.* Manuel de Matos * was born in Matriz, Vila Franca, Sao Miguel,
> Azores, Portugal. He died before 1755. He married Francisca De Sousa.
>
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> 31.* Francisca De Sousa *.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name on Baptism record

[Margaret Vicente]

It is Florencia.  The priest is joining the dot to the letter i.  Go here
to see it better:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1768-1792/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1768-1792_item1/P77.html

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Paul, I believe the name on both is Florenda.
>
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Paul  wrote:
>
>> Hello all:
>>
>> I am in need of assistance on the following baptism record. The name of
>> the child I see as Lorenda. Her parents are my 5th great grandparents
>> Manuel de Resendes & Joanna Borges. Listed in the padrinhos is what looks
>> to be the same first name Lorenda da Roza.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
>> AGUARETORTA-B-1768-1792/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1768-1792_item1/P73.html
>> (upper right)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Paul G.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH TRANSLATION

[Margaret Vicente]

Carmen, please email me directly to:

margaret vicente at gmail dot com

Note: no spaces in between



On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 6:29 AM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> margaret - both lines - thanks
>
>
>
>
> Carmen M. Furtado
>
>
>
>
>
> --------
> On Tue, 8/9/16, Margaret Vicente  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH TRANSLATION
>  To: "azores" 
>  Date: Tuesday, August 9, 2016, 11:31 PM
>
>  Carmen,
>  which line are you persuing? Francisco Jacinto or
>  Jacinta's?
>  Let me know
>  and I will email you what I have.
>  On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 8:11
>  PM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
>  hi
>  margaret
>
>
>
>  i am interested in knowing more
>
>
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>
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>  Carmen M. Furtado
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>  -- --
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>  On Mon, 8/8/16, Margaret Vicente
>  
>  wrote:
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>
>
>   Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH
>  TRANSLATION
>
>   To: "azores" 
>
>   Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 9:18 PM
>
>
>
>   Hi
>
>   Carmen,
>
>   Francisco Jacinto
>
>   and Jacinta de Jesus make part of my extended
>
>   family.
>
>   To confirm
>
>   Rosemarie's note about the Godparents; they are a
>
>   couple.
>
>   Also Francisco
>
>   Jacinto's Grandparents origins are from Candelaria,
>
>   island of Pico.
>
>   PM
>
>   me if you're interested in knowing more.
>
>   Best,
>
>
>
>
>
>   On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:06
>
>   PM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy 
>
>   wrote:
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>   thank you ever so much rosemarie
>
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>   Carmen M. Furtado
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>   --
>  --
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>
>
>   On Mon, 8/8/16, Rosemarie
>
>   Capodicci 
>
>   wrote:
>
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>
>Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH
>
>   TRANSLATION
>
>
>
>To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
>
>
>Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 2:24 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Carmen, you did a very
>
>
>
>good job!  Birth date is the 8th day of
>
>
>
>the current month and year
>
>
>
>Francisco Jacinto, fisherman
>
>
>
>&b Jacinta de Jesus parentsnative of this
>
>   Church
>
>
>
>of Sao Jose living Santa Clara this
>  freguesia.Paternal
>
>   grands:
>
>
>
>Antonio Jacinto & Anna AugustaMaternal grands:
>
>
>
>Jacinto de Teves &b Anna
>
>   de Jesus Godparents: Francico
>
>
>
>Janurio da Cunha, fisherman & Maria de Jesus,
>  casados
>
>   (
>
>
>
>married but to each other, I don't know) I would
>
>
>
>probably assume to each other in this
>
>
>
>case.
>
>
>
>Rosemarie
>
>
>
>rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao
>
>
>
>Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa,
>
>   Faial and Pico,
>
>
>
>Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia,
>
>
>
>Sicily
>
>
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>
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>On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at
>
>
>
>10:56 AM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores
>  Genealogy
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>
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>wrote:
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>hi
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>cheri
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>here's the link
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>http://culturacores.azores.
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>gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
>  SMG-
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>
>PD-SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884/SMG- PD-
>
>   SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884_item1/
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>P203.html
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>for francisco #164
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>here's what i could figure out
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>july 12, 1882 = baptism
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>is birth date listed?
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>francisco jacinto = father
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>ja

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH TRANSLATION

[Margaret Vicente]

Carmen, which line are you persuing? Francisco Jacinto or Jacinta's?

Let me know and I will email you what I have.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 8:11 PM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> hi margaret
>
> i am interested in knowing more
>
>
>
>
> Carmen M. Furtado
>
>
>
>
>
> ----
> On Mon, 8/8/16, Margaret Vicente  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH TRANSLATION
>  To: "azores" 
>  Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 9:18 PM
>
>  Hi
>  Carmen,
>  Francisco Jacinto
>  and Jacinta de Jesus make part of my extended
>  family.
>  To confirm
>  Rosemarie's note about the Godparents; they are a
>  couple.
>  Also Francisco
>  Jacinto's Grandparents origins are from Candelaria,
>  island of Pico.
>  PM
>  me if you're interested in knowing more.
>  Best,
>
>
>  On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:06
>  PM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
>
>
>  thank you ever so much rosemarie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Carmen M. Furtado
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  -- --
>
>  On Mon, 8/8/16, Rosemarie
>  Capodicci 
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>   Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH
>  TRANSLATION
>
>   To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
>   Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 2:24 PM
>
>
>
>   Carmen, you did a very
>
>   good job!  Birth date is the 8th day of
>
>   the current month and year
>
>   Francisco Jacinto, fisherman
>
>   &b Jacinta de Jesus parentsnative of this
>  Church
>
>   of Sao Jose living Santa Clara this freguesia.Paternal
>  grands:
>
>   Antonio Jacinto & Anna AugustaMaternal grands:
>
>   Jacinto de Teves &b Anna
>  de Jesus Godparents: Francico
>
>   Janurio da Cunha, fisherman & Maria de Jesus, casados
>  (
>
>   married but to each other, I don't know) I would
>
>   probably assume to each other in this
>
>   case.
>
>   Rosemarie
>
>   rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao
>
>   Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa,
>  Faial and Pico,
>
>   Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia,
>
>   Sicily
>
>
>
>   On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at
>
>   10:56 AM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy
>
>   
>
>   wrote:
>
>   hi
>
>   cheri
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   here's the link
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   http://culturacores.azores.
>
>   gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
>
>   PD-SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884/SMG-PD-
>  SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884_item1/
>
>   P203.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   for francisco #164
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   here's what i could figure out
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   july 12, 1882 = baptism
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>   is birth date listed?
>
>
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>   francisco jacinto = father
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>   jacinta de jesus = mother
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>   santa clara? don't know what this is
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>   jacinto something augusta? = paternal grandparents?
>
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>   jacinto de teves and anna do jesus = mateenal
>
>   grandparents?
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>   francisco janeiro of ? = godparent?
>
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>   maria de jesus = godparent?
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>   thank you
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>   Carmen M. Furtado
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>   -- --
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>   On Mon, 8/8/16, Cheri Mello 
>
>   wrote:
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>Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH
>
>   TRANSLATION
>
>
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>To: "Azores Genealogy" 
>
>
>
>Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 12:48 PM
>
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>Carmen,
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>You did not state which baptism.
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>Provide the link from
>
>
>
>the CCA. Unless you are a computer wizard and know
>  how
>
>   to
>
>
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>make the image work on all computers (PCs, Macs,
>  Linux)
>
>   and
>
>
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>for a variety of software that everyone my have
>
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>installed.
>
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>State what
>
>
>
>you can read from the baptism. Most people can p

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism please.

[Margaret Vicente]

I'm reading as Pinheiro (pinhr.o)

25-Mar-1614
Britis (Beatriz)

You've got the rest all correct.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> On 25 Mar 1614. Beatriz fa Baltazar P-? e Maria Martins.  Padrinhos:
> Jeronimo? de Oliveira? e
> Maria Ferreira escrava? Simao Ferreira.
>
> Bottom right.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-SAOJOSE-B-1607-1623/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1607-1623_item1/P50.html
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Minha?

[Margaret Vicente]

He wrote "minha freguesa" which is (my client)

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 4:05 PM Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> What does Minha mean?  It is after Beatriz Ferreira's name on er marriage.
>
> Top left.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1630-1701/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with translation!

[Margaret Vicente]

Sorry, meant to say I don't have Jose's marriage information. The marriage
was probably in S. Mateus.


On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> It is Maria da Lus (Luz).
>
> Here's the link to Jose's marriage information but here's the link to  his
> Parent's Marriage:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-
> AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1880-1889/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1880-1889_item1/P16.html
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Jose Machado da Silva, 26 years old, married and native of Sao Pedro son
>> of Antonio Machado da Silva and Maria Deus?? not sure what the name is only
>> that it is four letters.
>>
>> Maria Augusta da Silva, 24 years, married to Jose Machado da Silva,
>> native of Sao Matheus, Councelho of Angra.
>> Both going to Boston
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Steve Wright 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have found my maternal grandparents passports and can make out their
>>> names, Frequisa they are from but need more help.
>>>
>>> Their names are Jose Machado Silva and Maria Augusta Silva
>>>
>>> # 424 and 425 in ledger.
>>>
>>> Thank you so very much.
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPO
>>> RTES-TER-1921-1923/PASSAPORTES-TER-1921-1923_item1/P49.html
>>>
>>> Colleen Wright
>>> Researching: Rosa, Cunha, Bettencourt from Graciosa; Machado, Silva from
>>> Pico; Machado, Silva and Goncalves from Terceira
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with translation!

[Margaret Vicente]

It is Maria da Lus (Luz).

Here's the link to Jose's marriage information but here's the link to  his
Parent's Marriage:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1880-1889/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1880-1889_item1/P16.html


On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Jose Machado da Silva, 26 years old, married and native of Sao Pedro son
> of Antonio Machado da Silva and Maria Deus?? not sure what the name is only
> that it is four letters.
>
> Maria Augusta da Silva, 24 years, married to Jose Machado da Silva, native
> of Sao Matheus, Councelho of Angra.
> Both going to Boston
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Steve Wright  wrote:
>
>> I have found my maternal grandparents passports and can make out their
>> names, Frequisa they are from but need more help.
>>
>> Their names are Jose Machado Silva and Maria Augusta Silva
>>
>> # 424 and 425 in ledger.
>>
>> Thank you so very much.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPO
>> RTES-TER-1921-1923/PASSAPORTES-TER-1921-1923_item1/P49.html
>>
>> Colleen Wright
>> Researching: Rosa, Cunha, Bettencourt from Graciosa; Machado, Silva from
>> Pico; Machado, Silva and Goncalves from Terceira
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH TRANSLATION

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Carmen,

Francisco Jacinto and Jacinta de Jesus make part of my extended family.

To confirm Rosemarie's note about the Godparents; they are a couple.

Also Francisco Jacinto's Grandparents origins are from Candelaria, island
of Pico.

PM me if you're interested in knowing more.

Best,



On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:06 PM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> thank you ever so much rosemarie
>
>
>
> Carmen M. Furtado
>
>
>
>
> 
> On Mon, 8/8/16, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH TRANSLATION
>  To: azores@googlegroups.com
>  Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 2:24 PM
>
>  Carmen, you did a very
>  good job!  Birth date is the 8th day of
>  the current month and year
>  Francisco Jacinto, fisherman
>  &b Jacinta de Jesus parentsnative of this Church
>  of Sao Jose living Santa Clara this freguesia.Paternal grands:
>  Antonio Jacinto & Anna AugustaMaternal grands:
>  Jacinto de Teves &b Anna de Jesus Godparents: Francico
>  Janurio da Cunha, fisherman & Maria de Jesus, casados (
>  married but to each other, I don't know) I would
>  probably assume to each other in this
>  case.
>  Rosemarie
>  rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao
>  Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico,
>  Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia,
>  Sicily
>
>  On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at
>  10:56 AM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy
>  
>  wrote:
>  hi
>  cheri
>
>
>
>  here's the link
>
>
>
>  http://culturacores.azores.
>  gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
>  PD-SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884/SMG-PD- SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884_item1/
>  P203.html
>
>
>
>  for francisco #164
>
>
>
>  here's what i could figure out
>
>
>
>  july 12, 1882 = baptism
>
>
>
>  is birth date listed?
>
>
>
>  francisco jacinto = father
>
>
>
>  jacinta de jesus = mother
>
>
>
>  santa clara? don't know what this is
>
>
>
>  jacinto something augusta? = paternal grandparents?
>
>
>
>  jacinto de teves and anna do jesus = mateenal
>  grandparents?
>
>
>
>  francisco janeiro of ? = godparent?
>
>
>
>  maria de jesus = godparent?
>
>
>
>  thank you
>
>
>
>
>
>  Carmen M. Furtado
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>   Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH
>  TRANSLATION
>
>   To: "Azores Genealogy" 
>
>   Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 12:48 PM
>
>
>
>   Carmen,
>
>
>
>   You did not state which baptism.
>
>
>
>   Provide the link from
>
>   the CCA. Unless you are a computer wizard and know how
>  to
>
>   make the image work on all computers (PCs, Macs, Linux)
>  and
>
>   for a variety of software that everyone my have
>
>   installed.
>
>
>
>   State what
>
>   you can read from the baptism. Most people can pick out
>  the
>
>   names (or part of the names). Then people can help you
>  with
>
>   the rest.
>
>
>
>   Cheri Mello
>
>   Listowner, Azores-Gen
>
>   Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>
>   Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Consanguinity of couple in attached marriage record

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Bill, I think my response has been inhibited somewhat so, perhaps it's
best to wait for the recommendation Cheri just made.

Cheers,




On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM,  wrote:

> Thank you Margaret.
>
> I realized that when I realized it was actually the left record.
>
> Since it says 3rd and 4th degree, does that mean that one bride/groom is a
> great grandchild and the other a great-great grandchild of a single common
> ancestor, or that they have two common ancestors (one and 3 degrees and one
> a 4)?
>
> I've seen this multiple degrees before and just not sure what it means.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 6:20:48 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
>> Hi Lee and Bill,
>>
>> Lee, you read it correctly.  They obtained dispensation to marry due
>> to their consanguinity in the 3rd degree. It means they have a Great
>> Grandfather in Common.  Their Grandparents were brothers or sisters of one
>> another and their Parents were first Cousins as a result.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:57 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Lee,
>>>
>>> I now think you may have meant the left side which looks like it might
>>> be Jose da Rocha (I can't really make it out, but this might be the name; I
>>> do not see Domingos) marrying Maria Joaquina.  The note on the bottom says
>>> they had a dispensation for consanguinity in the 3rd and 4th degree.
>>>
>>> What I don't know is if this means they two common ancestors, one that
>>> makes them second cousins and one that makes them third cousins; or they
>>> have a common ancestor that is 3 degrees from one of the couple and 4
>>> degrees from the other (such as 2nd cousins, once removed)
>>>
>>> I hope I'm not confusing all of this.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 2:30:06 AM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lee,

 I don't see any reference to consanguinity in this record.  I think the
 couple in this marriage is Domingos da Rocha (I don't see Jose), son of
 Lourenço de Freitas and Maria do Espirito Santo marrying Jeronima Luiza (I
 don't see Maria Joaquina), daughter of Manuel Cardoza and Gracia Maria.  Is
 this the couple you wanted?

 Bill

 On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 1:25:37 PM UTC-7, Lee wrote:
>
> Jose Domingos da Rocha married Maria Joaquina in 1769 in Sao Mateus,
> Terciera.
>
> I know from a note at the bottom of the record (right side bottom)
> that the two are related.  I am having trouble reading the degree of
> consanguinity though.
>
> Is it the 3rd degree?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-
> SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1740-1782/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-
> 1740-1782_item1/P78.html
>
> Thank you.
>
> Lee Estep,
> Oak Hill WV
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Consanguinity of couple in attached marriage record

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Lee and Bill,

Lee, you read it correctly.  They obtained dispensation to marry due
to their consanguinity in the 3rd degree. It means they have a Great
Grandfather in Common.  Their Grandparents were brothers or sisters of one
another and their Parents were first Cousins as a result.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:57 AM,  wrote:

> Lee,
>
> I now think you may have meant the left side which looks like it might be
> Jose da Rocha (I can't really make it out, but this might be the name; I do
> not see Domingos) marrying Maria Joaquina.  The note on the bottom says
> they had a dispensation for consanguinity in the 3rd and 4th degree.
>
> What I don't know is if this means they two common ancestors, one that
> makes them second cousins and one that makes them third cousins; or they
> have a common ancestor that is 3 degrees from one of the couple and 4
> degrees from the other (such as 2nd cousins, once removed)
>
> I hope I'm not confusing all of this.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 2:30:06 AM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Lee,
>>
>> I don't see any reference to consanguinity in this record.  I think the
>> couple in this marriage is Domingos da Rocha (I don't see Jose), son of
>> Lourenço de Freitas and Maria do Espirito Santo marrying Jeronima Luiza (I
>> don't see Maria Joaquina), daughter of Manuel Cardoza and Gracia Maria.  Is
>> this the couple you wanted?
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 1:25:37 PM UTC-7, Lee wrote:
>>>
>>> Jose Domingos da Rocha married Maria Joaquina in 1769 in Sao Mateus,
>>> Terciera.
>>>
>>> I know from a note at the bottom of the record (right side bottom) that
>>> the two are related.  I am having trouble reading the degree of
>>> consanguinity though.
>>>
>>> Is it the 3rd degree?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-
>>> SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1740-1782/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-
>>> 1740-1782_item1/P78.html
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Lee Estep,
>>> Oak Hill WV
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Celeste,

I have this family on my tree as they are related to me.  There are more
then one Serafim de Morais and Joao de Morais.  One family is from Agua de
Pau and the other from Santa Barbara.  They are cousins.

Serafim had two older sisters, born in 1868 and 1873. The latter was
deceased same year, and the first I don't have the obit. I have 9 children
for Joao de Morais (from Agua de Pau) married to Jacinta Libania in Santa
Barbara of Ribeira Grande.

Serafim's brother Jose, married in Relva, Ponta Delgada.

Please refer to the emails we exchanged back in November 2015.

Regarding Maria, I sent you all the documents proof from ancestry and
passports.
Maria arrived and travelled with Serafim.
On the manifest he declares they are his nieces.
Maria de Morais, Luzia and Rosa clearly stated along with their ages..
He also declared he was going to his cousin Joao do Couto Cordeiro? can't
be sure as they wrote over it, the address was 368 Hope Street, Bristol,
RI.
The reason you couldn't find Maria's birth record was because you were
looking for the wrong parents.
The passports give parents as Jacinto de Medeiros not Joao de Morais and as
such I sent you the birth record for the said Maria de Morais who arrived
with Serafim in 1904.



On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 10:19 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> Actually, Cheri, I have only looked up to the date the father, Joao
> Moraes, died.  I also looked for some kind of will and there was none.  I
> did not find that they owned any land so I tend to think they did not have
> any wealth.  Also, all the kids of the family that survived immigrated to
> RI.  If they had owned land, possibly one have remained there.
>
> Jose's great-grand son, Dicky Cabral, (if I remember correctly) that his
> Jose was born in Lomba da Santa Barbara.  I have not communicated with him
> for a number of years.  One thing he wrote to me a while ago was that is a
> possibility that the place of her birth MAY have been written in the margin
> of her marriage record.  When I asked for a copy, I was send a form that
> was filled out by someone at the church.
>
> I have to wait until I make another trip to RI to beg someone in the
> church to look at the record to see if something is written in the margin
> and was not written on the form I was sent.  Hope my health and Bob's
> allows us to make that trip soon.
>
> My thought in bringing this up on the list again was that there are a lot
> of new members and someone just MIGHT find a relative that has the name
> Jacintha Libiana and I could gather more information that can lead me to
> finding if the "Elusive Maria Christo" was biologically connected to the
> family she thught was hers.
>
> Thank you for all the thoughts, every little thing helps.
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>
> 
> On Fri, 8/5/16, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
>  To: "Azores Genealogy" 
>  Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 3:40 PM
>
>  Hi Celeste,
>  Lomba da Santa Barbara in Ribeira Grande
>  is here: http://tombo.pt/f/rbg12
>
>  I'm guessing
>  you've already looked? I know I had one ancestor that
>  wasn't baptized until a month before his marriage, 25
>  years later. I've also seen a few baptisms where they
>  baptized the child 2, 3, 4 years later. Rather unusual, but
>  it happened. Maybe there was an illness in the family and
>  they had themselves quarantined or maybe they were in the
>  middle of harvest and didn't get to the church for a
>  couple years (when they had their next kid).
>
>  Where did the
>  great-grandson of Jose think his ancestors were from?
>
>  Also, you
>  could have your husband DNA test, the great-grandson of Jose
>  test, and anyone you know who is a descendant of Seraphim
>  test. It's on sale. You all should match each other and
>  should match others of the Ribeira Grande region - unless
>  you're not from Lomba da Santa Barbara. There's a
>  Santa Barbara in Ponta Delgada, but it makes no sense to add
>  on "Lomba da" and specify that freguesia if one
>  was from the other one.
>
>  Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage

[Margaret Vicente]

Sorry, ignore the "Francisca" part as it relates to something else I was
working on and I got it mixed up...sorry.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 12:18 AM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Maria, I don't see how it would change from Pacheco de Leandres to Fontes
> as she seems to carry her Mother's name on this marriage record.  Note also
> that the bride has two first names "Isabel Francisca" perhaps this is not
> the right couple?
>
> The marriage record itself inferred Baltazar was re-married.  First it
> names the Groom's parents: Baltasar Gomes de Moura and Ana Velha.  Secondly
> names the Godparents as the Groom's own father (seu pai) Baltazar Gomes the
> Moura and his wife Barbara Velha.
>
> Regarding the link for Ana Velha's obit, this is not the Groom's Mother
> because the record reads Ana Velha, viuva "widow" at time of her death,
> which is not the case here as Baltazar was still living
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 10:26 PM, Maria Lima 
> wrote:
>
>> Margaret and Shirley:  Thanks!  Now I have another question.  In this
>> marriage record the bride's name is Izabel Pachequa de Leandeo but I. The
>> baptisms of her 4/5 children with Baltezar Gomez, her name is recorded as
>> Izabel de Fontes.  That's why I jumped to the conclusion that the last name
>> was going to be Fontes and then I wondered where the "Pachequa de Leandro"
>> came from.
>>
>> I assume it's the same person, but the only similarity is the first name
>> of Izabel.
>>
>>
>> Second question:  Margaret, you clarified that Baltezar was married
>> before he married Barbara to a Anna Velho.  I found an obit for an Anna
>> Velha Va but it doesnt say she was married;  Just where she resided.  Seems
>> strange.  Here it is: (1682). The Santa Barbara parish seems to be the only
>> that went back into the 1600's on Santa Maria.
>> Maybe I should keep looking.
>>
>> Top right:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706_item1/P16.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Maria Elena
>>
>> > On Aug 2, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Shirley Allegre 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Maria this is the best that I can figure out.  (This is a real hard
>> one.)
>> >
>> > 16 June 1672
>> > Balthezar Gomes Leandro
>> > (Balthezar Gomes de Moira X Anna Va/Vieira?, deceased.)
>> > SPOUSE
>> > Isabel Pacheco de Liam
>> > (Francisco Andrade X Isabel? Catharina Pacheco)
>> > GODPARENTS
>> > Balthezar de Moira X Barbara Va/Vieira
>> >
>> > Hope this helps a little bit
>> > Shirley in CA
>> >
>> > - Original Message - From: "Maria Lima" <
>> maria.lima...@gmail.com>
>> > To: "AZORES" 
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:44 AM
>> > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Help with names of parents? please?
>> > Bottom right hand
>> >
>> > Starting with the fifth line down.
>> >
>> >
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/P19.html
>> >
>> >
>> > Baltezar Gomez de Moira, son of Baltezar Gomez de Moira and his wife
>> Anna(?) or Luzia (?) I can't figure it out)  both deceased, with Izabel
>> Fo... (I know it's Fontes fm other records)-
>> >
>> > Fifth line down:  looks like part of Izabel's name is Pachequa de
>> "Liandres??? Daughter of Francisco de Andrade (?Coreia?)
>> > And Catharina Pachequa de ?(Liandres??)
>> >
>> > Godfather it says Baltezar Gomez de Moira "her" father and Barbara Va
>> (?). did it say BARBARA Va was a wife of Baltezar?   I'm trying to figure
>> out who is the child of Baltezar de Moira mentioned.  Can someone please
>> help me with this?  Thank you.
>> >
>> > Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage

[Margaret Vicente]

Maria, I don't see how it would change from Pacheco de Leandres to Fontes
as she seems to carry her Mother's name on this marriage record.  Note also
that the bride has two first names "Isabel Francisca" perhaps this is not
the right couple?

The marriage record itself inferred Baltazar was re-married.  First it
names the Groom's parents: Baltasar Gomes de Moura and Ana Velha.  Secondly
names the Godparents as the Groom's own father (seu pai) Baltazar Gomes the
Moura and his wife Barbara Velha.

Regarding the link for Ana Velha's obit, this is not the Groom's Mother
because the record reads Ana Velha, viuva "widow" at time of her death,
which is not the case here as Baltazar was still living



On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 10:26 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> Margaret and Shirley:  Thanks!  Now I have another question.  In this
> marriage record the bride's name is Izabel Pachequa de Leandeo but I. The
> baptisms of her 4/5 children with Baltezar Gomez, her name is recorded as
> Izabel de Fontes.  That's why I jumped to the conclusion that the last name
> was going to be Fontes and then I wondered where the "Pachequa de Leandro"
> came from.
>
> I assume it's the same person, but the only similarity is the first name
> of Izabel.
>
>
> Second question:  Margaret, you clarified that Baltezar was married before
> he married Barbara to a Anna Velho.  I found an obit for an Anna Velha Va
> but it doesnt say she was married;  Just where she resided.  Seems
> strange.  Here it is: (1682). The Santa Barbara parish seems to be the only
> that went back into the 1600's on Santa Maria.
> Maybe I should keep looking.
>
> Top right:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706_item1/P16.html
>
>
>
> Maria Elena
>
> > On Aug 2, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Shirley Allegre 
> wrote:
> >
> > Maria this is the best that I can figure out.  (This is a real hard one.)
> >
> > 16 June 1672
> > Balthezar Gomes Leandro
> > (Balthezar Gomes de Moira X Anna Va/Vieira?, deceased.)
> > SPOUSE
> > Isabel Pacheco de Liam
> > (Francisco Andrade X Isabel? Catharina Pacheco)
> > GODPARENTS
> > Balthezar de Moira X Barbara Va/Vieira
> >
> > Hope this helps a little bit
> > Shirley in CA
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Maria Lima"  >
> > To: "AZORES" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:44 AM
> > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage
> >
> >
> >
> > Help with names of parents? please?
> > Bottom right hand
> >
> > Starting with the fifth line down.
> >
> >
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/P19.html
> >
> >
> > Baltezar Gomez de Moira, son of Baltezar Gomez de Moira and his wife
> Anna(?) or Luzia (?) I can't figure it out)  both deceased, with Izabel
> Fo... (I know it's Fontes fm other records)-
> >
> > Fifth line down:  looks like part of Izabel's name is Pachequa de
> "Liandres??? Daughter of Francisco de Andrade (?Coreia?)
> > And Catharina Pachequa de ?(Liandres??)
> >
> > Godfather it says Baltezar Gomez de Moira "her" father and Barbara Va
> (?). did it say BARBARA Va was a wife of Baltezar?   I'm trying to figure
> out who is the child of Baltezar de Moira mentioned.  Can someone please
> help me with this?  Thank you.
> >
> > Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage

[Margaret Vicente]

Ana Velha, deceased, with Isabel Pacheca de Liandres (Leandres) daughter of
Francisco de Andrade Correia, deceased, and Catarina Pacheca de Leandres.
Godparents Baltazar Gomes de Moura, his father and Barbara Velha his wife.

Note Barbara Velha is the groom's father 2nd wife
On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 2:45 PM Maria Lima  wrote:

>
> Help with names of parents? please?
> Bottom right hand
>
> Starting with the fifth line down.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/P19.html
>
>
> Baltezar Gomez de Moira, son of Baltezar Gomez de Moira and his wife
> Anna(?) or Luzia (?) I can't figure it out)  both deceased, with Izabel
> Fo... (I know it's Fontes fm other records)-
>
> Fifth line down:  looks like part of Izabel's name is Pachequa de
> "Liandres??? Daughter of Francisco de Andrade (?Coreia?)
> And Catharina Pachequa de ?(Liandres??)
>
> Godfather it says Baltezar Gomez de Moira "her" father and Barbara Va (?).
> did it say BARBARA Va was a wife of Baltezar?   I'm trying to figure out
> who is the child of Baltezar de Moira mentioned.  Can someone please help
> me with this?  Thank you.
>
> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] x-match

[Margaret Vicente]

Same goes for me. Thanks Cheri!
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 3:51 PM Tish M  wrote:

> Hi Cheri,
> I don't know how you found this blog, but this is exactly what I was
> looking for. I wish ftDNA would make this available by clicking on the
> x-match column. If we did not have your expertise ftDNA would be very
> frustrating to use.
> Thanks again for your help,
> Tish
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> I wasn't clear, as I've got a couple of questions in my inbox sent
>> personally to me. So if 2 people weren't clear, there's probably at least
>> 20 of you that I confused!
>>
>> mtDNA: This type of DNA is passed down by the mothers to all their
>> children. Only girls can grow up to be moms, so only they pass it down.
>> From the other direction, everyone has mtDNA that came from their mother's
>> mother's mother's mother...all females all the way back (or the bottom of
>> your pedigree chart). Here's a chart (the test taker can be male or
>> female): https://goo.gl/xXBSd1
>>
>> Autosomal DNA (Family Finder): This is the DNA you get from your 22 pairs
>> of chromosomes/autosomes, with the 23rd pair being the one that determined
>> your sex (male or female). This is the one where you got 50% of your DNA
>> from your parents, 25% from your grands, 12.5% from your greats and so on.
>> It covers ALL your lines going back about 200 years from the birth of the
>> testee.
>>
>> X Chromosome (included with Family Finder): This is what I explained
>> above. Here it is again: The X inheritance follows a specific pattern. I'll
>> start with males first. Males' 23rd chromosome (sex chromsome - what makes
>> them male) contain an X and a Y. They inherit Y from dad. So if a male has
>> an X match, it's not from dad's side at all. So we look at his X, which he
>> got from mom. Mom has 2 X-chromosomes, one she got from dad and one she got
>> from mom. Then you look at that mom and that dad and follow the inheritance
>> pattern. In words, it's confusing. Usually the inheritance is displayed on
>> a fan chart. You can google "x match chart" or here is a link that
>> illustrates the inheritance for both males and females:
>> http://goo.gl/fSJv2a
>>
>> Y DNA: This type of DNA is isolating just the Y of the sex chromosome.
>> The Y is what makes a man a man. He got his Y from his dad who got it from
>> his dad, and so on. It follows the top of the pedigree chart. Here's a
>> graphic (2nd picture on this page): http://goo.gl/ggzX6f
>>
>> I hope I was more clear this time. There are different types of DNA and
>> it's easy to confuse them.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
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>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: João Botelho married to Jacinta Cândida

[Margaret Vicente]

Cheri, he has Jose, pls see initial email. He was looking for Jose's
parents, Joao Botelho


On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I thought Todd was looking for a Jose. Now I'm confused.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: João Botelho married to Jacinta Cândida

[Margaret Vicente]

Todd, here's your Joao Botelho or (Ferreira). Left hand side.

Aug 2 1840
Joao Ferreira, 23 years old and Jacinta Candida 19 years old
Grooms Parents: Joao Botelho and Maria Rosa
Bride's Parents: Francisco Luis and Ana Luisa
Witnesses: Jose Ferreira, married and Manuel Jacinto, single

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1835-1843/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1835-1843_item1/P91.html

Please verify it by finding Joao's birth record to Maria Rosa and Joao
Botelho.




On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 3:36 PM, brownat68  wrote:

> All I have for records for José Botelho is his marriage record:
>
> On 6 April 1874, in São José, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel Island, José
> Botelho, 32, single, seaman, legitimate son of João Botelho and Jacinta
> Cândida, married to Maria Augusta, 23, single, seamstress, legitimate
> daughter of Jacinto de Teves and Ana de Jesus, both native of São José,
> Ponta Delgada, where they live in Rua deSanta Clara. Witnesses were Jacinto
> Inácio de Medeiros, who works in a grocery store, married, and Francisco de
> Teves, single, seaman, both living in the same street.
>
> Todd
>
> On Saturday, July 23, 2016 at 8:23:48 PM UTC-4, brownat68 wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> Wondering if anyone has these people and their ancestors I their tree:
>>
>> *João Botelho* married to *Jacinta Cândida* (*No birth, marriage, or
>> death dates unfortunately*)
>> Children: José Botelho, birth: 1845 Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Açores,
>> Portugal
>> Marriage to: 6 Apr 1874, São Jose, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores,
>> Portugal
>>
>> I am trying to plug a few holes in my recent ancestry. I'd love to talk
>> with anyone who has this couple or their family.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Todd
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FRANCISCO GLZ (GONCALVES) and BEATRIZ FERREIRA

[Margaret Vicente]

Unfortunately the parents were not listed.

There's a possibility both may have been married before.  You should check
S. Roque for the groom, since he's from that town.  Unfortunately there are
no marriage records in S. Jose beyond 1630.



On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Sandra Perez 
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> Margaret, I can't read what is says after Beatriz Ferreira's name.  Does
> it list her parents?
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Sandra Perez 
> wrote:
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>> Thank you so much, Margaret.  I had seen the marriage of Maria, but I was
>> not sure about it because it just had Francisco de Sousa no Glz in his
>> name.  This is for my DNA match.  We have been searching so long for
>> Francisco and Beatriz.
>> I am happy, happy, happy--thank you again.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the marriage of their daughter Maria de Sousa with Manuel Homem
>>> de Vasconcelos who is in RR's Cap. 49, S.2.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1622-1707/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1622-1707_item1/P52.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Sandra Perez 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anyone have this couple?  Francsico and Beatriz had two children
>>>> in Rosto de Cao. Sao
>>>> Roque.  Isabel b.2 Jun 1641 and Catharina b. 3 Nov 1643.
>>>>
>>>> Isabel de Sousa married Antonio do Couto de Mello fo Batolomeu
>>>> Travassos Velho e Ursula do
>>>> Couto da Costa nal Bom Jesus, Rabo de Peixe.
>>>>
>>>> I cannot find other children or a marriage Francisco and Beatriz.  Also
>>>> cannot find Catharina's
>>>> marriage.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FRANCISCO GLZ (GONCALVES) and BEATRIZ FERREIRA

[Margaret Vicente]

Here's the marriage of their daughter Maria de Sousa with Manuel Homem de
Vasconcelos who is in RR's Cap. 49, S.2.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1622-1707/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1622-1707_item1/P52.html


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> Does anyone have this couple?  Francsico and Beatriz had two children in
> Rosto de Cao. Sao
> Roque.  Isabel b.2 Jun 1641 and Catharina b. 3 Nov 1643.
>
> Isabel de Sousa married Antonio do Couto de Mello fo Batolomeu Travassos
> Velho e Ursula do
> Couto da Costa nal Bom Jesus, Rabo de Peixe.
>
> I cannot find other children or a marriage Francisco and Beatriz.  Also
> cannot find Catharina's
> marriage.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA glitch on Gedcoms on the Family Finder Matches

[Margaret Vicente]

Good job, thanks Cheri!

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:25 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> When logging into your Family Finder matches, and seeing the blue
> Gedcom/tree icon light up, some of you are finding no tree uploaded. It had
> not been reported and today (Monday) it was passed on to IT.
>
> So, when you find a glitch, either report it to FTDNA or report it to me.
> I need to be able to duplicate the error so I.T. can see it. I take screen
> shots and draw on them so they "see" it.
>
> There is no time line yet as to when this will be addressed.
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FRANCISCO GLZ (GONCALVES) and BEATRIZ FERREIRA

[Margaret Vicente]

Sandra, I have them.  Beatriz was from S. Jose.  See their marriage here:
(top left) Francisco Goncalves de Sousa.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1630-1701/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1630-1701_item1/P19.html


On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> Does anyone have this couple?  Francsico and Beatriz had two children in
> Rosto de Cao. Sao
> Roque.  Isabel b.2 Jun 1641 and Catharina b. 3 Nov 1643.
>
> Isabel de Sousa married Antonio do Couto de Mello fo Batolomeu Travassos
> Velho e Ursula do
> Couto da Costa nal Bom Jesus, Rabo de Peixe.
>
> I cannot find other children or a marriage Francisco and Beatriz.  Also
> cannot find Catharina's
> marriage.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Baptism - Sao Mateus, Terceira

[Margaret Vicente]

The date is correct.

You also have the Josefa Joaquina's father name correct.  Jose Simons
(Simoes, present day)

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 12:25 AM, linda  wrote:

>
>
> Hi Lee,
>
> Simon, I think.  The "S" for Sao Matheus looks about the same.  Also the
> child was baptised at home by the priest because they feared her life was
> in peril.
>
> :)
>
> Linda
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 24, 2016 at 6:24:58 PM UTC-7, Lee wrote:
>>
>> Maria, bottom right
>>
>> Finally found the record I've been looking for.
>>
>> Maria, daughter of Josefa Joaquina, single, who was the daughter of Jose
>> L/Simons??? and Maria Joaquina.
>>
>> Born November 3, 1810 (when her mother was about 14/15 years old).
>>
>> I need help with the name of Josefa's father Jose L/Simons
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1803-1817/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1803-1817_item1/P65.html
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>> Thank you.
>>
>> Lee
>> Oak Hill WV
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ftDNA pet peeve

[Margaret Vicente]

Cheri, et al

I think we seem to be going on the assumption that it is the people who are
not participating but I know exactly what seems to be the problem.

Cheri, this is for FTDNA as their new software created trees for all
individuals whether they had a gedcom or not.  In other words all those who
"did NOT" upload their family tree, FTDNA created one single individual
tree for the name on file.  This is what is creating the frustration.  The
oddity is that it was not universal.  Some matches and trees remained the
same and are blanked out as it should be.

Also one tell tale is the Ancestral surname block is empty for those who
did not have a tree uploaded.

Please have another go at it.  Perhaps it is part of the new software look
and feel and we all have to get used to it or it is indeed a glitch and
they can make the correction so not to be misleading.

Cheers everyone.

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Thanks, Cheri,
> I think we all have the peeve about people not putting their GED's on
> FTDna! It's very disheartening to see that you are connected and then
> everything on the tree is private or there is none at all. FTDna can ask
> all they want but it's up to the individual to post the GEDCOM and
> sometimes there just isn't any interest in doing so. All people who test
> are not interested in their genealogy!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Roberta Estes mentioned something along those lines too in the article I
>> sent the link for (https://goo.gl/H0pq12) 
>>
>> Again though, the tree issue is the user's responsibility. Not FTDNA's.
>> Here's some stuff that goes on that I'm aware of as an admin.
>>
>> "Popeye" does NOT want his living people showing up in his tree.
>> Depending on the setting in his genealogy program and depending on the
>> display settings chosen at FTDNA, "Popeye" may have inadvertently made
>> everything private. Do they go back and check? I don't know. Do they email
>> admins for help? Not often. So that's a user error.
>>
>> Also, FTDNA has a setting for "Deceased people born 100+ years ago" and
>> "Deceased people born in the last 100 years." Depending on what is entered
>> in the genealogy program on the user's end, these get marked private. If
>> "Popeye" has been doing genealogy a number of years while his parents were
>> alive, he may not have put their death dates into his program. I can't tell
>> you how many times people tell me that their parents are deceased and no
>> death date is recorded. If there's no death date in the genealogy program
>> then the algorithm cannot assume that the person is dead. That's why people
>> in the middle of the tree show up as private too. I believe you can mark
>> your 3Great as deceased and leave the death date blank in your own
>> genealogy program and that will take care of the "private" problem in the
>> middle of the tree.
>>
>> Right now, I'm helping a project member who was informed that his tree is
>> private. It's not. I've checked with different browsers and FTDNA checked
>> too. Again, it's something on the user end. Maybe a new computer. Rick
>> Pimentel had some problems with his Windows 10 and FTDNA and finally got
>> them to play nicely together in the sandbox, as I say. LOL
>>
>> So when you find no tree, you can ask when will they be uploading their
>> Gedcom. And you can also state in the email if they don't know how to make
>> a Gedcom, they can email one of the project admins for help. If the tree is
>> completely private, it would probably be best if you email one of the
>> admins so we can check their settings and explain to them how they work.
>> This is assuming that they are part of the Azores DNA Project. We can't
>> help them if they don't belong yet.
>>
>> We'll keep trying to help the best that we can :)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help in translating the plaque at the Ermida of Praia da Vitoria (Terceira)

[Margaret Vicente]

Cheri,

I'm on my way out and unable to translate it until tomorrow.  In any case,
heads up to anyone who may do so is that the "observation" regarding the
little chapel is indeed what they call it "o Imperio" it looks like a
chapel but it's not.  This is where they store the Crowns and Flags during
the year.  There are various "imperios" across the island bearing the name
of the respective brother/sisterhood.  This building is called "Imperio dos
Maritimos"  (Empire of the Seamen).

Cheers

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Can a someone translate this plaque that Jack (Perry) Matthews saw at the
> ermida in Praia da Vitoria on Terceira? I can get the gist of it, but he
> wants to put it in a book, so a better translation would be needed.
> 
> O Império dos Marítimos da freguesia de Santa Cruz, concelho da Praia da
> Vitória, Terceira, fica situado no Largo José Silvestre Ribeiro, no local
> onde foi outrora a Ermida de São Pedro Gonçalves, e a sua data de
> construção remonta ao último quartel do século XIX, ao ano de 1877.
>
> Esta irmandade celebra a festa em honra do Divino Espírito Santo no
> denominado Domingo da Trindade.
> O Império dos Marítimos contem imagens e tem a forma de uma capela. Devido
> ao pequeno número de irmãos e às dificuldades vigentes, esta irmandade não
> tem tido a possibilidade de realizar  atividades culturais durante a
> semana. Porém, no Domingo da Trindade realiza-se o cortejo do Divino
> Espírito Santo, acompanhado por uma filarmónica para a Igreja, onde é
> celebrada missa de festa, no fim da qual se realizam as coroações. Neste
> dia tiram-se os pelouros e é nomeada a comissão para o ano seguinte.
>
> No âmbito da festa deste império, realiza-se, no sábado seguinte, uma
> tourada à corda.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] I need some help reading this record.

[Margaret Vicente]

Edna, you've got both the date and names correct.  Some times
people/priests dropped or added names/surnames.  Try finding other children
to see if "de Quadros" shows up but I'm inclined to think this is the
record you're looking for if the date matches more or less.



On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Edna Epps  wrote:

> *I am looking for the birth date of my 3rd G Grandmother.  Her name is
> Ignascia Luiza  and her parents are Antonio Machado aka Antonio Machado de
> Quadros. and Maria de Concaecio.  I think “maybe” the last record on the
> right side of this page “might” be her birth record. *
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1777-1784/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1777-1784_item1/P32.html
> *I think it says Ignacia filha of Antonio (?) Machado. . Mariante (?)
> native and lives in villa de Velas, on Island of Sao Jorge, and his wife
> Maria (?) de Concaecio  also a Native.?? born on 26th day of November
> 1778.  Baptised on the 3rd day of Dec 1778, Godparents  ???.  I have spend
> days, weeks looking for this birth and I know I may be trying to make this
> one fit, ...but it’s the closest I’ve found.[image: Winking smile]   Any
> and all help is appreciated.*
> *Thanks*
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading record: Nicolau Silveira Machado & Maria Azevedo de Sousa

[Margaret Vicente]

Sam,
It says the groom is natural of Nossa Senhora do Rosario, parish of Rosais
of that same island.

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1722-1745/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1722-1745_item1/P76.html
>
>
>
> This is, I think, the record of my 5th great grandparents marriage.  I
> believe I read that it is, Nicolau Silveira Machado’s marriage to Maria
> Azevedo de Sousa?
>
> That they were married on 7 March 1734.
>
> His parents: Joao Silveira Machado and Catarina Dias Sousa
>
> Maria’s parents: Antonio Teixeira and Francisca Machado?
>
> Does it give the ages of the groom and bride and where they and/or their
> parents were born?
>
> Anything else of note?
>
>
>
> Any and all help will be much appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thank you, Sam in Camas, WA
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obit help please: Nicolau Silveira Machado

[Margaret Vicente]

38 years of age (more or less)

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 12:13 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Does it say what he died from at the young age of 37?
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-CALHETA-O-1727-1749/SJR-CH-CALHETA-O-1727-1749_item1/P60.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading record: Nicolau Silveira Machado & Maria Azevedo de Sousa

[Margaret Vicente]

Please see my take in red below.  There no dates.  The record date is
partially faded but my guess is that is Cinco/five.  Also please take note
of the Bride's father "rank".


That they were married on *5* March 1734.

His parents: Joao Silveira Machado and Catarina Dias *de* Sousa

Maria’s parents: Sargento-Maior (Sargent-Major) Antonio *de Azevedo*
Teixeira and Francisca Machado?

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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1722-1745/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1722-1745_item1/P76.html
>
>
>
> This is, I think, the record of my 5th great grandparents marriage.  I
> believe I read that it is, Nicolau Silveira Machado’s marriage to Maria
> Azevedo de Sousa?
>
> That they were married on 7 March 1734.
>
> His parents: Joao Silveira Machado and Catarina Dias Sousa
>
> Maria’s parents: Antonio Teixeira and Francisca Machado?
>
> Does it give the ages of the groom and bride and where they and/or their
> parents were born?
>
> Anything else of note?
>
>
>
> Any and all help will be much appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thank you, Sam in Camas, WA
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with father's surname.

[Margaret Vicente]

Francisco de Sousa gadelha

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> Bill, I think you are right.  Thank you.
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 3:21 PM,  wrote:
>
>> It looks like "Padilha" to me.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 2:38:36 PM UTC-7, Sandra Perez wrote:
>>
>>> Mel fo Francisco de Sousa --dilha? e Beatriz Ferreira b.11? Oct 1650
>>> pad. Padre Amaro do Couto.
>>>
>>> Top right.
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1641-1667/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1641-1667_item1/P39.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Domingos Correa baptism

[Margaret Vicente]

Aaron and Sandra

(unknown word = tecelão/weaver)

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Aaron Pereira 
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> Domingos, son of Jorge Glz (unknown word follows) and Maria
> Gaspar02/05/1623
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marriage record - Altares, Terceira

[Margaret Vicente]

July 22nd 1818
Groom: mother is Maria da Conceicam (Conceiçao)

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Lee  wrote:

> Bottom left record, Agostinho Coeleho de Mello and Maria de Nazarette
>
> I can make out the month and day of July 28th (1800 - don't think that's
> right).
>
> Agostinho Coelho de Mello filho de Antonio Coelho de Mello and Maria de/da
> Ca??? (abbreviated)
> and
> Maria de Nazarette filha de Sebastiao Glz Borges and Roza Maria
>
> Can I get a little assistance with the year of marriage and the name of
> Agostinho's mother pleaase??
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P99.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

[Margaret Vicente]

Manuel Glz (Goncalves) and Barbara Roiz (Rodrigues )



On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Cesar Pimentel <
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> Hello friends,
>
>
> As I preached here, I'm looking for my ancestor Manoel da Costa Carreiro.
>
>
> Manoel was the son of Manoel da Costa and Barbara da Ponte.
>
>
> As I can not find the baptismal certificate of Manoel da Costa Carreiro ,
> I decided to see if there was the marriage certificate of his parents, to
> get a more precise idea of both frequesia that should do the search, here
> they lived in Maia, but at the time of his birth, he had not Moreover
> church.
>
>
> So I was the star of the Matriz da Estrela, because it is in Ribeira
> Grande and has older records , and found a marriage between a Manuel and
> Barbara, who are the names that I seek , but I can not really read the last
> names to see if they are the Manoel da Costa and Barbara da Ponte I seek.
>
>
> The link with the marriage registration is as follows
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654_item1/P36.html
>
>
> The record is the last on the right. Does anyone could help me figure out
> the last names of Manuel and Barbara who married and contained in that
> record?
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> Tank You a Lot
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bottom left record - hard to read - think bride's name is Barbara da Costa

[Margaret Vicente]

Cathy, here's my take:

Groom: Jose Tavares son of Francisco Tavares, deceased and Maria Fernandes.
Baptized in the church of Bom Jesus, Rabo de Peixe.
Bride: Barbara da Costa.  Daughter of Joao da Costa Faleiro and his wife
Margarida da Costa.  Baptized in this Church.


On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> That's one of those pages that had the solution put on it to enhance it.
> The actual book looks fine. It's the filming that makes it look like it's
> in a haze.
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> Maybe one of the graphic people here can enhance it.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ponta Garca, Vila Franca do Campo, baptism, top, left side of image...Francisco

[Margaret Vicente]

Aaron, Francisco was born to single parents as declared by the Father Joao
de Medeiros, single son of Jose de Medeiros and Francisca de Macedo.  The
Mother is Antonia Maria, single, daughter of Antonio Rodrigues and Rosa
Maria.
Francisco born on March 26 1810.  Baptised March 31 1810.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 3:59 AM, Aaron Pereira 
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> Hello,
> Would someone be kind enough to let me know whats going on in this
> record?  Its for Francisco, top, left side.  It appears Francisco may have
> been born out of wedlock.
> Thank you in advance.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1799-1819/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1799-1819_item1/P310.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: General help with record, please.

[Margaret Vicente]

Thanks, Eric.

Joseph, you have it all correct.  I think it is just Maria Jorge who is "ja
defunta" but it is difficult to say if both due to margin damage.  I for
one don't the the plural "defuntos".

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> I darkened it up in Photoshop, if that helps anyone ...
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 6:34:10 PM UTC-7, jemendonca642 wrote:
>>
>> What I believe I know is:
>>
>> April 3,1625 marriage of Francisco Coelho son of Pedro Coelho and his
>> wife Catarina Coelho, already deceased (her or both?) and Maria de Torres
>> daughter of Pedro de Torres and Maria Jorge(?).  That's about all I have.
>> I would like to know how much I have right or wrong.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1611-1646/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1611-1646_item1/P18.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with groom's father's name.

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Joseph,

The last name is only partially visible "Crava.." I think you have it
right, Carvalho.  Take a look at page 13, Barbara Carvalha's marriage left
side and you will see the full out surname.



On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> Left page, bottom half, 10th line, last word.  "Amaro de Torres filho de
> Miguel ???" the continues to the 11th line.  Could it be Carvalho?
>
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-C-1701-1796/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-C-1701-1796_item1/P11.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tough Record to read

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Noted with thanks Bill, I looked again and yes it is as you say!

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:45 PM,  wrote:

> Margaret: I think your initial post was correct; the maternal grandmother
> is Maria de Jesus.  I think Cesar was referring to the paternal grandmother
> being Margarida de Jesus which I see also.
>
> Rick was asking about the both grandfathers' names and I agree with
> Cheri's response.  I agree with all responses except Margaret's last one
> implying she was previously wrong.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tough Record to read

[Margaret Vicente]

Thank you Cesar for the correction.  It is indeed Margarida.

Cheers,
Margaret

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Cesar Pimentel <
cesarpimentel@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Rick,
>
>
> To me: Francisco Vieira (compare whit "f" two lines bellow- foram
> padrinhos)
>
>  Margarida de Jesus (There is a " g" before "a" and a dash
> indicates that the word continues on the next line)
>
>
> Cesar Pimentel
>
> Looking for baptism certificate of the Manoel da Costa, about 1665, in
> Maia.
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> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com  em nome de Cheri
> Mello 
> *Enviado:* sábado, 11 de junho de 2016 19:56
> *Para:* Azores Genealogy
> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tough Record to read
>
> Francisco Vieira (paternal grandfather)
> Antonio Morgado?? (matenral grandfathere)
>
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> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
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> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> *Hi I need some more eyes in reading this record. The ink is faded. What
>> I cannot read is the first name of the Paternal grandfather 12th line down.
>> It looks like it may be Francisco but it could be Ignacio. I also need the
>> last name of the maternal grandfather on the 13th line.*
>>
>> *This is on the left side of the image #43 Thanks*
>>
>> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
>> 
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
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>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ESPIGA

[Margaret Vicente]

Thanks for Miguel's marriage info.

Sandra if you're interested I can email you what I have in this line..

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> My mistake. The Dec 1668 marriage in Vila Frnaco do Campo are Catharina
> Mendes parents.
>
> Miguel Luis Espiga e Catharina m. 30 Aug 1713 Sao Pedro, VFC.   I have not
> been able to find Catharina's birth or her siblings.
>
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Angela, I do have them but there is something we don't agree:
>>
>> a) Vila Franca-Sao Pedro marriage date you quoted 30 Dec 1668 I have a
>> different couple; Pedro de Oliveira and Catarina de Frias daughter of
>> Matias da Costa and Maria Carreira. I do have Miguel Luis married to
>> Catarina Mendes through the baptism and the childrens marriages, but was
>> not able to find the actual marriage record in Agua de Pau.
>>
>> b) Francisca de Freitas is the daughter of Pedro Goncalves Espiga and
>> Maria de Frielas.  This Pedro is the *brother* of your 6th GGF Miguel
>> Luis Espiga.  Francisca Married Jan 17 1735 Antonio de Paiva Leite son of
>> Manuel de Paiva Leitao or Leite and Sebastiana Borges.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Sandra Perez 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Magaret my 6th great-grandfather was Miguel Luis Espiga b.15 May 1682.
>>> His parents were Pedro Goncalos Espiga e Isabel Manoel ou Isabel Afonso.
>>>
>>> Miguel Luis Espiga m. Catharina Mendes fa Matias da Costa e Maria
>>> Carreira 30 Dec 1668 in Sao Pedro, Vila Franco do Campo.
>>>
>>> Pedro may have remarried.  I found the marriage of Francisca Freitas fa
>>> Pedro Goncalos Espiga e Maria de Freitas Jan 1735.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a few...who are you looking for?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Sandra Perez >>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have the surname ESPIGA from Agua de Pau, Lagoa?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tough Record to read

[Margaret Vicente]

Paternal GF: Francisco Vieira
Maternal GM: Maria de Jesus

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> *Hi I need some more eyes in reading this record. The ink is faded. What I
> cannot read is the first name of the Paternal grandfather 12th line down.
> It looks like it may be Francisco but it could be Ignacio. I also need the
> last name of the maternal grandfather on the 13th line.*
>
> *This is on the left side of the image #43 Thanks*
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
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> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ESPIGA

[Margaret Vicente]

Angela, I do have them but there is something we don't agree:

a) Vila Franca-Sao Pedro marriage date you quoted 30 Dec 1668 I have a
different couple; Pedro de Oliveira and Catarina de Frias daughter of
Matias da Costa and Maria Carreira. I do have Miguel Luis married to
Catarina Mendes through the baptism and the childrens marriages, but was
not able to find the actual marriage record in Agua de Pau.

b) Francisca de Freitas is the daughter of Pedro Goncalves Espiga and Maria
de Frielas.  This Pedro is the *brother* of your 6th GGF Miguel Luis
Espiga.  Francisca Married Jan 17 1735 Antonio de Paiva Leite son of Manuel
de Paiva Leitao or Leite and Sebastiana Borges.


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> Magaret my 6th great-grandfather was Miguel Luis Espiga b.15 May 1682.
> His parents were Pedro Goncalos Espiga e Isabel Manoel ou Isabel Afonso.
>
> Miguel Luis Espiga m. Catharina Mendes fa Matias da Costa e Maria Carreira
> 30 Dec 1668 in Sao Pedro, Vila Franco do Campo.
>
> Pedro may have remarried.  I found the marriage of Francisca Freitas fa
> Pedro Goncalos Espiga e Maria de Freitas Jan 1735.
>
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a few...who are you looking for?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Sandra Perez 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ESPIGA

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I have a few...who are you looking for?


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel, Parents are Manuel Ignacio da Silva and Maria do Carmo of Santo Amaro Pico 30 July 1855

[Margaret Vicente]

If I may clarify, Manuel was baptised at home.  It reads: e foi baptisado
. / digo *"em casa" por* Mariana Rosa m.er de Jose das
Neves.  He was baptised "*at home" by* Mariana Rosa wife of Jose das Neves.

The side note is the same in the record next to it and what I can read is:
" Cancelled, due to having been transcribed, code No. 7A, pages 5
 ofthe transcription in the year 1924.  Signed at 11 of June 1933.


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> Yes, it looks like to me the baptism took place at the house of Marianna
> Rosa, wife of Jose Nunes de Mello.
>
> I can't make out the left margin. It's too small for me to read. Zooming
> pixelates it too much. Maybe someone with better eyes or photo enhancing
> software can help.
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of bride's mother.

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the words after are common .. "e os recebi pelo mandado...etc" and I
received them by the mandate...

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
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> Help with name of bride's mother. Top of left page. I have Barbara
> Velho... ?? I can't make out the words right after Velho. Thanks.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751_item1/P13.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] passport for David Benarus Seriqui (translation, please).

[Margaret Vicente]

Estado civil: solteiro. O requerente chegou à Madeira em 22-02-1881,
desembarcou doente indo tratar-se no hospital desta cidade como pobre,
vindo viver para esta admnistração por não ter meios alguns de subsistência.

Civil Status: single.  The requisitor arrived at Madeira on 22-02-1881,
landed sick seeking treatment in the hospital of this city being poor,
coming to live in this administration due to lack of means of subsistence.

He did not depart from Madeira, he arrived at ...

Margaret

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Shirl Sereque 
wrote:

>
> David Seriqui:
> 1881 departure Madiera, Portugal.  (I take it Madiera was a colony of
> Portugal?)
> And going to Canarias. ( Was that also a colony of Portugal?)
> Estado civil. O requerente chegou a Madiera em 20-02-1881, desembarcou
> doente indo tratar-se no hospital desta cidade como pobre, vindo vivir para
> esta admnistracão por não ter meios alguna de subsistencia.
>
> The URL is supposedly http://armdigital. 
> arquivo-madeira.org.81/passaportes/detalhe/?reg=351...
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Parents names???

[Margaret Vicente]

For all its worth I've taken a look at the first marriage record and
confirm this couple (Manuel de Oliveira and Maria de Benevides to be
getting married for the first time. For some reason the Priest Joao
Ferreira omitted listing the parents on all entries on this page.

One other important point to note is that the priest does not state either
one to be a widow or widower. To verify this to be true have a look at the
top left hand side page.  It reads Manuel Goncalves (VIUVO) with Barbara
Carvalha (VIUVA); widower/widow.

Unfortunately the one way where you might be able to trace the parents,
brother or sister is through their children's baptisms in the hopes that
the priest will name them as such on the respective records.

Margaret


On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:20 PM, JR  wrote:

> Mel Vieira filho de Joao Glz e sua mulher Lusia Vra. com Ma. de Benevides
> filha de de Amaro Tarouca e de Ursula (sic Ursua) Furtada todos moradores
> nesta dita freguesia de SP
>
> It may be them, but maybe you should look for obito of Joao Gonsalves just
> before the second marriage of Maria Benevides, usually 1-3 months after
> death of first spouse.
>
> JR
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 3:32:58 PM UTC-4, Ubirajara Jales de Lira
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1617-1657/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1617-1657_item1/P83.html
>>
>> Thanks, JR!
>>
>> I think this is the first marriage. The first record from down to up, on
>> the left side. Does anybody can tell me the parents names?
>>
>> Ubirajara Jales de Lira
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: N. S. De Lourdes Ilha do Pico

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Jeremy,

Regarding Luciana's translation I would read it as "true replica of .":

This email your reading is correct.  Esmola translates into "Alms" or more
current "donation".  This photo belongs to Criacao Velha as translated in
prior email by Cheri.  It must have been issued to raise funds to build one
of the lateral altars where the image of our Lady of Lourdes stands. The
Patron Saint of Criacao Velha is N. Sra. das Dores as also mentioned by
Cheri.

Have a look.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Igreja_de_Nossa_Senhora_das_Dores,_altar_lateral_3_Cria%C3%A7%C3%A3o_velha,_concelho_da_Madalena,_ilha_do_Pico,_A%C3%A7ores,_Portugal.JPG

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> Okay! Thanks so much for all your help! I'm attaching a scan of the back
> side. (See the right one) Am I right in that it reads: "pede-se uma esmola
> para o seu altar"? If so how would you translate "esmola" Google is
> uncertain and gives me different answers. Is it "are asked alms to the
> altar"?
> Thanks ever so much!
> Lastly, Cheri, you mentioned the church there is Nossa Senhora das Doress.
> What do you make of this? Is it from that church, or is there a possibility
> it was from another one nearby in C. Velha? Is there just 1? I can't locate
> my relatives in C. Velha at culturacores registers even though I have this
> new lead
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with margin writing.

[Margaret Vicente]

Yes, it is a note on Jose's obit registration:  He died Sep 3 1938.  Death
was registered in Lagoa Civil Registry on Sep 5 1938.  Obit ref. ...? /78
number 154, roll # 1739.

This is very useful if you wish to order a copy buy using this reference
number it will make it quick to obtain.



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> Sorry again!  right side.
>
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>> did you forget the link, Sandra?
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Sandra Perez 
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>>> Jose fo Francisco Cabral e Francisca de Jesus b. 6 Sep 1862.  I think it
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with margin writing.

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did you forget the link, Sandra?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico Birth Record

[Margaret Vicente]

The record does not name his wife, however, if you look at the bottom, t
references his sons to whom he left his inheritance with the executor of
the will being his son in law Caetano Silveira.

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:50 PM, Sean Andrade 
wrote:

> I did find the obit for his wife which is on the top right for Caterina:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P111.html
>
> She died a couple of years after him and NEPS said this would be his obit
> which I listed in my other post. I was hoping his wife would be in the obit
> so I coould confirm it was the correct one.
>
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 7:40:37 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Sean,
>>
>> It says he was a native of Lages and a resident of Sao Mateus.
>>
>> Try looking up his wife's death record. It may list him which would make
>> the connection between them. It was probably just an oversight on the part
>> of the priest to forget to list his wife.
>>
>> Gayle
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 18, 2016, at 6:05 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Here is a death record for Matues Machado on the bottom left:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P99.html
>>
>> I can't make out his wife's name or even see if it is listed. I am having
>> trouble making out anything really since it is pretty faded. It looks like
>> it lists his parish but not his wife.
>>
>> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 10:27:14 AM UTC-7, Sean Andrade wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 10:16:33 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:

 Sean,

 I descend through her brother Mateus.

 I show Antonia Jesus born 25 June 1722, baptized on the 28th. She
 married Francisco Vieira Goulart on 22 Feb 1740. He was born 23 Jan 1707
 and died 15 Sep 1772. Antonia died 25 May 1806.

 Antonia's parents were Mateus Machado Ferreira and Catarina Candeias
 both of Lages. They were married 15 May 1701 in Sao Mateus. Mateus (died 5
 Jan 1751) was the son of Manuel Machado and Maria Ferreira. Catarina (died
 10 Oct 1753) was the daughter of Francisco Lopes Fonseca and Apolonia
 Candeias. Francisco died 21May 1718 in Sao Mateus. Apolonia died 1 Feb 1718
 also in Sao Mateus.

 Hope that helps. Let me know if you find anything more. Or, different.

 Gayle



 On May 16, 2016, at 9:17 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:

 Hi Gayle,

 Are you a descendant of Antonia's?

 Any info you have on this family would be great.

 Thanks!

 On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 9:02:42 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Sean,
>
> It is Catarina Candeis.
> If you need more info on this family, I have Antonia's grandparents
> along with her marriage and death.
>
> Gayle
>
>
> On May 16, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Sean Andrade 
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Here is a birth record for an Antonia on the top left:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1703-1748/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1703-1748_item1/P132.html
>
> Can anyone see which parish they are from?
>
> I am also having difficulty with the mothers name if anyone can
> decipher.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] For those who manage multiple DNA kits

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Cheri,

I would like to express my thoughts regarding your email request and please
note this is no reflection on what you do which considering how much work
it all might be, it is just that the information I shared with you
regarding my kits relationships to me was not intended for FTDNA.  It was
shared based on trust and it is of no business to anyone else, much less
other FTDNA Admins.

Most people may not realize the seriousness of their DNA privacy which is
not a concern at the present time but it may be in the future.  There are
already a few alerts on this issue which are worrisome and I don't think we
should make it easier to anyone in the future with less ideals then the
present ones.

Please correct me if I am wrong but, the relationship in between the kit's
owner and the contact/person responsible for it, should not be relevant to
anyone but the person who paid and requested those tests, right?

Thank you Cheri for all you do.  I do I hope you will understand where I'm
coming from.

Margaret

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes)
>
> For those of you who manage multiple DNA kits for your various
> relatives..
>
> Can you please send a separate email to gfscherim at gmail.com with the
> kit number, name on that kit, and relationship to you? It's getting
> difficult for us to remember who's who.
>
> Attached is a screen shot from the admin end for Rick Pimentel, another
> Azores admin. He must manage half a dozen kits. He knows who is who, but I
> may not. And 50 years from now, the future admins won't know either, unless
> we leave notes fot them. Again, their relationship to you is fine.
>
> Thanks!
> Cheri Mello
> Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with padrinhos please.

[Margaret Vicente]

JR calheta na cidade is actually called " Calheta of Pero de Teive" and it
is Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada. Records are available to early 1600's and
there's indexes as well.



On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:19 PM, JR  wrote:

> I really don't know, since Calheta is quite a ways from Sao Roque. Many
> locales have place names, or parts thereof, that mimic the larger villages,
> but are just small areas within a village. This Calheta, if I have it
> right, is within the "Cidade". so that would be Ponta Delgada. Maybe even a
> street name.
>
> JR
>
> On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 4:56:13 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote:
>>
>> JR, is that the "Calheta" that only has records from 1832 to 1883?
>>
>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:17 AM, JR  wrote:
>>
>>> Manoel Piz (Pires) alfaiete mor. (morador) na Calheta? da cidade e Maria
>>> Castanha fa. de Antonio Glz.
>>>
>>> I don't think the GTZ is correct, its probably just a stroke through the
>>> GLZ making look like a t.
>>>
>>> I find it curious that they would want to abbreviate a short name like
>>> Pires. Causes a lot of confusion when compared to other short forms in
>>> script, like Miz-Mtz, Glz-Ctz, Alz-Atz. They may look obvious in typeset,
>>> but not in script.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 2:00:30 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote:

 23 Nov 1610 Maria fa Pedro Gtz e Maria Nunes.  Padrinhos: Manoel Piz ?
 e Maria ? fa Antonio
 Gtz ? ---top right.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1556-1617/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1556-1617_item1/P52.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Ribeirinha, Sao Miguel 1869

[Margaret Vicente]

For all its worth; d'Angelina is correct. This form is commonly used in
Portuguese and French.  It is the suppression of  "de+Angelina"=
d'Angelina. 🙂

I also don't think it is an alcunha but more of a reference to the Angelina
family branch.  Probably someone well know within the Parish at certain
point in time.

Cheers,

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *Thanks Margaret & John,*
>
> *This writer must have gotten a D- in penmanship or he was in a hurry to
> get to the party before the vinho was gone. The name d’Angelina is unusual
> it must be an alcunha as he also shows up in records  as Furtado Piquete
> which is a military term for picket. *
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 4, 2016 3:25 PM
> *To:* azores
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Ribeirinha, Sao Miguel 1869
>
>
>
> Agree with John R. but Maria's last name reads Almolace or as entered by
> the priest "Almolacé"
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 2:48 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> To me it looks like:
>
>
>
> Antonio Furtado d'Angelina
>
> Jose Furtado and Maria Almatace
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 1:48 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1866-1870/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1866-1870_item1/P182.html
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1866-1870/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1866-1870_item1/P182.html>
> left side no 64 Maria. *
>
>
>
> *I need some more eyes on this record to figure out the names*
>
> *Parents Antonio Furtado Anzelina and Maria Florinda*
>
> *Paternal GP Jose ? and Margarida Almatace*
>
> *Maternal GP Mnauel Moniz and Bernarda Pacheco*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Ribeirinha, Sao Miguel 1869

[Margaret Vicente]

Agree with John R. but Maria's last name reads Almolace or as entered by
the priest "Almolacé"


On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 2:48 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> To me it looks like:
>
> Antonio Furtado d'Angelina
> Jose Furtado and Maria Almatace
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 1:48 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1866-1870/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1866-1870_item1/P182.html
> 
> left side no 64 Maria. *
>
> *I need some more eyes on this record to figure out the names*
> *Parents Antonio Furtado Anzelina and Maria Florinda*
> *Paternal GP Jose ? and Margarida Almatace*
> *Maternal GP Mnauel Moniz and Bernarda Pacheco*
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
> *Epping, NH*
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Fernais da Luz baptisms

[Margaret Vicente]

Teresa, it is there.  One small detail on the index list is that your page
is 7v (verso) which means back. Go back to 1876 page 7 go next and you will
find Agostinho on page 7v

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Theresa Entin 
wrote:

> Thanks, but what about this one:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FENAISDALUZ-I-1780-1889/SMG-PD-FENAISDALUZ-I-1780-1889_item1/P108.html
>
>
> doing the first name:  Agostinho, Antonio Ignacio do Rego and Ricarda de
> Jesus   76   7.  I went to the year 1876 went to #7 not there, went to page
> 7, not there.  What am I doing wrong???
>
>
> On May 3, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
> eliseuman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Teresa!
> I found the first name registered in the Índice at the page pointed there…
> Adriano son of… at page 167
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FENAISDALUZ-B-1780-1792/SMG-PD-FENAISDALUZ-B-1780-1792_item1/P170.html
>
> eliseu
>
> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com
> ] *Em nome de *Theresa Entin
> *Enviada:* 3 de maio de 2016 18:40
> *Para:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Fernais da Luz baptisms
>
> Livro #9 is 1780 the first in the series, but the names and numbers do not
> correspond to the book Livro #9..  Neither do the ones in the later books
> 1880-1889.  I don’t get it!
>
>
> On May 3, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Ângela Loura  wrote:
>
> ok, Book 9: 1780-1792
>
> 2016-05-03 18:53 GMT+01:00 Ângela Loura :
>
> I think that first we need to know which one is "Livro 9º". The pages must
> be related to that specific book.
>
> 2016-05-03 18:38 GMT+01:00 Theresa Entin :
>
> I am looking at the *Fenais da Luz, Indices Batismos 1780-1889 *and I
> don’t understand how to read it.  I think it is Espositos.  I see the names
> and what appears to be pages but I don’t find a page that matches.  Anyone
> who has an  explanation would help.  Thanks
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joseph Charles ROPOZLE

[Margaret Vicente]

Sanches also prominent in Sao Jose and Sao Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada, Sao
Miguel.

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 1:44 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Good to know. Don't think I've seen Sanches in my freguesias.
> On May 2, 2016 10:23 PM, "Rosemarie Capodicci"  wrote:
>
>> I have the Sanchez name in
>> Norte Grande, Sao Jorge, Azores. In later records it's Sanches, with an
>> 's'.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 8:09 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> My Great Grandfather (Joseph Charles Ropozle DOB 1874) and his wife
>>> (Mary Ropozle nee Sanchez DOB 1876) were born in the Azores and immigrated
>>> to the US in 1891. I'm wondering how I can verify family details in the
>>> Azores? His father was named Charles Ropozle and he was born in 1852.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Arganil, Portugal - Difficult name distinction - 1890's

[Margaret Vicente]

Walter,

The baptismal record is clear.  Diulinda (Deolinda present day)
The death record is also clear.  Olinda.  It is a shortform of Deo+linda
(beauty from G-d) according to latin but its origin is really greek and
given a different meaning



On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Walter Teixeira 
wrote:

> I need help with figuring out a name on a couple of documents.  The first
> is a baptism record for a girl named Dinlinda (at least that is what I am
> reading in the margin and in the document).  The document is nice and
> clear.  It is record number 70 at the following link:
> http://pesquisa.auc.uc.pt/viewer?id=31804&FileID=498788
>
>
>
> The second document is her death record (died at 10 months old).  The
> margin and in the document gives her name with something before "linda".  
> Again
> the document is nice and clear.  I can't figure out if it is a "C" or a
> "D" or what it is but I can't find any name for a Portuguese girl spelled
> anything like that.  Maybe it is an abbreviation for something.  It
> certainly doesn't look like Dinlinda.  I am hoping someone knows what it
> is.  These are the same person  The Obitos is record number 15 at the
> following link:  http://pesquisa.auc.uc.pt/viewer?id=31862&FileID=501660
>
>
>
> What do you say the name is   Thank you for your time and help in
> this difficult translation.
>
>
>
> Walter Teixeira
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Calling all Computer Geeks

[Margaret Vicente]

forgot to add with a document that size you can create multiple jpg, pgn,
gif or tiff in the same manner.

Cheers


On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Cheri, the result will depend on the size of the document.  If only 1 page
>
> 1. select copy and open MS paint
> 2. paste it
> 3. save as jpg
>
> You may have to adjust or bold the text in Word...work it until you get
> the best result.
>
> Margaret
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 1:47 AM, linda  wrote:
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>> quick and dirty: take a screen shot of the open document
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Calling all Computer Geeks

[Margaret Vicente]

Cheri, the result will depend on the size of the document.  If only 1 page

1. select copy and open MS paint
2. paste it
3. save as jpg

You may have to adjust or bold the text in Word...work it until you get the
best result.

Margaret


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> quick and dirty: take a screen shot of the open document
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