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2018-09-03 Thread 'Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy

Wow. I was way off. Thank you. I’m learning a lot.
Here’s her death record. It mentions a place in Pico but I do not recognize the 
village.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-CONCEICAO-O-1734-1754/TER-AH-CONCEICAO-O-1734-1754_item1/P156.html
Thanks Doreen

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From: 'Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy
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MarriageofJoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria

No indication where Pico he is from. But Ursula is died in N.S. da Conceição of 
Angra. perhaps her obit said where she is from.
Beatriz is widow of João Coelho (de Ornelas) died in Altares. This mariage is 
in Santa Sé (1718, March 25, img 265).


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Ok Philippe. I found his second marriage to Beatriz do Rosario. This one is 
very hard to read. I think in says Joao Soares, Island of Pico, widower of 
Ursula da Silveira, (I think is says that she was from Pico but does it say 
where?) then it says something about Angra? 
marrying Beatriz do Rosario, daughter of Joao Coelho ? and ? (are they also 
from Pico?)
Guessing at this point. Doreen
 
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From: 'Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 7:25 AM
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Subject: Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage 
ofJoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria
 
Hi Doreen,
 
Yes his name is Soares. His marriage with Ana Maria is in Fonte Bastardo (1773, 
february 25); 2nd book, fl. 20v. It is his 3rd marriage. The 2nd is in Altares 
(1747, October 21) , 1713-1763 book, img 123. He is widow of Ursula da Silveira 
and native from Ilha do Pico.
 
Abraços
 
Philippe Garnier Paris - France
 
Em segunda-feira, 3 de setembro de 2018 15:33:10 GMT+2, 
 escreveu: 
 
 
Yes. Thank you. It was my faul.t I was looking at two records at the same time. 
I posted a correction but Rosemarie responded without reading it.  I was 
reading the word widow as a last name Vieira for the bride and then thought it 
was her father. Once I looked at it again I realized it was widow. In a reply 
to the original post I posted the link to Rosa Marie first marriage. I need 
help reading that record. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P96.html
It says Sebastiao Soares de Melo, son of Joao Soares de Melo and Ana Maria, 
married Rosa Maria, daughter of Manuel Goncalves Fialho and Benedicta do 
Espirito Santo. I question if I have the correct groom’s father’s name. Could 
it be Sousa? Also does it say what village they are from because I can not find 
then in the marriage index for Altares? This is why I question my reading of 
the groom’s father’s name.
Thanks again, Doreen
 
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JoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria
 
Hello Doreen,
 
I think Rosmarie is right about the bride's parents in the lower right record.  
However, that is the marriage of Manuel Francisco da Silva and Maria Isabel 
rather than the couple in your subject line.  Your couple is the top left 
record and the bride's parents are not listed; she is listed as the widow of 
Sebastiao Soares buried in this same parish of Sao Roque.
 
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Re: RE: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage ofJoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria

No indication where Pico he is from. But Ursula is died in N.S. da Conceição of 
Angra. perhaps her obit said where she is from.Beatriz is widow of João Coelho 
(de Ornelas) died in Altares. This mariage is in Santa Sé (1718, March 25, img 
265).

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Philippe Garnier Paris - France
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Ok Philippe. I found his second marriage to Beatriz do Rosario. This one is 
very hard to read. I think in says Joao Soares, Island of Pico, widower of 
Ursula da Silveira, (I think is says that she was from Pico but does it say 
where?) then it says something about Angra? 

marrying Beatriz do Rosario, daughter of Joao Coelho ? and ? (are they also 
from Pico?)

Guessing at this point. Doreen

  

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From: 'Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 7:25 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage 
ofJoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria

  

Hi Doreen,

  

Yes his name is Soares. His marriage with Ana Maria is in Fonte Bastardo (1773, 
february 25); 2nd book, fl. 20v. It is his 3rd marriage. The 2nd is in Altares 
(1747, October 21) , 1713-1763 book, img 123. He is widow of Ursula da Silveira 
and native from Ilha do Pico.

  

Abraços

  

Philippe Garnier Paris - France

  

Em segunda-feira, 3 de setembro de 2018 15:33:10 GMT+2, 
 escreveu: 

  

  

Yes. Thank you. It was my faul.t I was looking at two records at the same time. 
I posted a correction but Rosemarie responded without reading it.  I was 
reading the word widow as a last name Vieira for the bride and then thought it 
was her father. Once I looked at it again I realized it was widow. In a reply 
to the original post I posted the link to Rosa Marie first marriage. I need 
help reading that record. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P96.html

It says Sebastiao Soares de Melo, son of Joao Soares de Melo and Ana Maria, 
married Rosa Maria, daughter of Manuel Goncalves Fialho and Benedicta do 
Espirito Santo. I question if I have the correct groom’s father’s name. Could 
it be Sousa? Also does it say what village they are from because I can not find 
then in the marriage index for Altares? This is why I question my reading of 
the groom’s father’s name.

Thanks again, Doreen

 

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JoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria

 

Hello Doreen,

 

I think Rosmarie is right about the bride's parents in the lower right record.  
However, that is the marriage of Manuel Francisco da Silva and Maria Isabel 
rather than the couple in your subject line.  Your couple is the top left 
record and the bride's parents are not listed; she is listed as the widow of 
Sebastiao Soares buried in this same parish of Sao Roque.

 

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RE: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage ofJoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria

Ok Philippe. I found his second marriage to Beatriz do Rosario. This one is 
very hard to read. I think in says Joao Soares, Island of Pico, widower of 
Ursula da Silveira, (I think is says that she was from Pico but does it say 
where?) then it says something about Angra? 
marrying Beatriz do Rosario, daughter of Joao Coelho ? and ? (are they also 
from Pico?)
Guessing at this point. Doreen

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From: 'Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 7:25 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage 
ofJoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria

Hi Doreen,

Yes his name is Soares. His marriage with Ana Maria is in Fonte Bastardo (1773, 
february 25); 2nd book, fl. 20v. It is his 3rd marriage. The 2nd is in Altares 
(1747, October 21) , 1713-1763 book, img 123. He is widow of Ursula da Silveira 
and native from Ilha do Pico.

Abraços

Philippe Garnier Paris - France

Em segunda-feira, 3 de setembro de 2018 15:33:10 GMT+2, 
 escreveu: 


Yes. Thank you. It was my faul.t I was looking at two records at the same time. 
I posted a correction but Rosemarie responded without reading it.  I was 
reading the word widow as a last name Vieira for the bride and then thought it 
was her father. Once I looked at it again I realized it was widow. In a reply 
to the original post I posted the link to Rosa Marie first marriage. I need 
help reading that record. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P96.html
It says Sebastiao Soares de Melo, son of Joao Soares de Melo and Ana Maria, 
married Rosa Maria, daughter of Manuel Goncalves Fialho and Benedicta do 
Espirito Santo. I question if I have the correct groom’s father’s name. Could 
it be Sousa? Also does it say what village they are from because I can not find 
then in the marriage index for Altares? This is why I question my reading of 
the groom’s father’s name.
Thanks again, Doreen
 
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage of 
JoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria
 
Hello Doreen,
 
I think Rosmarie is right about the bride's parents in the lower right record.  
However, that is the marriage of Manuel Francisco da Silva and Maria Isabel 
rather than the couple in your subject line.  Your couple is the top left 
record and the bride's parents are not listed; she is listed as the widow of 
Sebastiao Soares buried in this same parish of Sao Roque.
 
Bill Seidler
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RE: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage ofJoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria

2018-09-03 Thread 'Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy

Thank you so much. That was a huge help. Doreen

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From: 'Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy
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Subject: Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage 
ofJoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria

Hi Doreen,

Yes his name is Soares. His marriage with Ana Maria is in Fonte Bastardo (1773, 
february 25); 2nd book, fl. 20v. It is his 3rd marriage. The 2nd is in Altares 
(1747, October 21) , 1713-1763 book, img 123. He is widow of Ursula da Silveira 
and native from Ilha do Pico.

Abraços

Philippe Garnier Paris - France

Em segunda-feira, 3 de setembro de 2018 15:33:10 GMT+2, 
 escreveu: 

Yes. Thank you. It was my faul.t I was looking at two records at the same time. 
I posted a correction but Rosemarie responded without reading it.  I was 
reading the word widow as a last name Vieira for the bride and then thought it 
was her father. Once I looked at it again I realized it was widow. In a reply 
to the original post I posted the link to Rosa Marie first marriage. I need 
help reading that record. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P96.html
It says Sebastiao Soares de Melo, son of Joao Soares de Melo and Ana Maria, 
married Rosa Maria, daughter of Manuel Goncalves Fialho and Benedicta do 
Espirito Santo. I question if I have the correct groom’s father’s name. Could 
it be Sousa? Also does it say what village they are from because I can not find 
then in the marriage index for Altares? This is why I question my reading of 
the groom’s father’s name.
Thanks again, Doreen

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage of 
JoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria

Hello Doreen,

I think Rosmarie is right about the bride's parents in the lower right record.  
However, that is the marriage of Manuel Francisco da Silva and Maria Isabel 
rather than the couple in your subject line.  Your couple is the top left 
record and the bride's parents are not listed; she is listed as the widow of 
Sebastiao Soares buried in this same parish of Sao Roque.

Bill Seidler
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Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage of JoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria

Hi Doreen,
Yes his name is Soares. His marriage with Ana Maria is in Fonte Bastardo (1773, 
february 25); 2nd book, fl. 20v. It is his 3rd marriage. The 2nd is in Altares 
(1747, October 21) , 1713-1763 book, img 123. He is widow of Ursula da Silveira 
and native from Ilha do Pico.
Abraços
Philippe Garnier Paris - France
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Yes. Thank you. It was my faul.t I was looking at two records at the same time. 
I posted a correction but Rosemarie responded without reading it.  I was 
reading the word widow as a last name Vieira for the bride and then thought it 
was her father. Once I looked at it again I realized it was widow. In a reply 
to the original post I posted the link to Rosa Marie first marriage. I need 
help reading that record. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P96.html

 It says Sebastiao Soares de Melo, son of Joao Soares de Melo and Ana Maria, 
married Rosa Maria, daughter of Manuel Goncalves Fialho and Benedicta do 
Espirito Santo. I question if I have the correct groom’s father’s name. Could 
it be Sousa? Also does it say what village they are from because I can not find 
then in the marriage index for Altares? This is why I question my reading of 
the groom’s father’s name.

Thanks again, Doreen

  

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From: bsei2...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 2:55 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage of 
JoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria

  

Hello Doreen,

  

I think Rosmarie is right about the bride's parents in the lower right record.  
However, that is the marriage of Manuel Francisco da Silva and Maria Isabel 
rather than the couple in your subject line.  Your couple is the top left 
record and the bride's parents are not listed; she is listed as the widow of 
Sebastiao Soares buried in this same parish of Sao Roque.

  

Bill Seidler

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage of JoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria

2018-08-20 Thread 'Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy

Yes. Thank you. It was my faul.t I was looking at two records at the same time. 
I posted a correction but Rosemarie responded without reading it.  I was 
reading the word widow as a last name Vieira for the bride and then thought it 
was her father. Once I looked at it again I realized it was widow. In a reply 
to the original post I posted the link to Rosa Marie first marriage. I need 
help reading that record. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P96.html
 It says Sebastiao Soares de Melo, son of Joao Soares de Melo and Ana Maria, 
married Rosa Maria, daughter of Manuel Goncalves Fialho and Benedicta do 
Espirito Santo. I question if I have the correct groom’s father’s name. Could 
it be Sousa? Also does it say what village they are from because I can not find 
then in the marriage index for Altares? This is why I question my reading of 
the groom’s father’s name.
Thanks again, Doreen

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Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 2:55 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage of 
JoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria

Hello Doreen,

I think Rosmarie is right about the bride's parents in the lower right record.  
However, that is the marriage of Manuel Francisco da Silva and Maria Isabel 
rather than the couple in your subject line.  Your couple is the top left 
record and the bride's parents are not listed; she is listed as the widow of 
Sebastiao Soares buried in this same parish of Sao Roque.

Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage of Joao MachadoToledo and Rosa Maria

2018-09-02 Thread bsei2816

Hello Doreen,

I think Rosmarie is right about the bride's parents in the lower right 
record.  However, that is the marriage of Manuel Francisco da Silva and 
Maria Isabel rather than the couple in your subject line.  Your couple is 
the top left record and the bride's parents are not listed; she is listed 
as the widow of Sebastiao Soares buried in this same parish of Sao Roque.

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage of Joao Machado Toledo and Rosa Maria

2018-09-02 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci

Doreen,
I think is Thomaz (Tomas) either Goncalo or Goncalves (it looks like the
Priest raised his pen and then wrote 'ves'?) and Rosa Joaquina.

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 12:40 PM  wrote:

> I need help getting the names of the bride’s parents. It is the record on
> the bottom of the right side of the page
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage

2018-08-21 Thread Hughes Roselyn

Hi Doreen:

I see the following Date 10bro = Dec so:   24 Dec 1742

Sebastiam da Costa and Maria de Sao Joseph for her parents.  Not sure is
they are deceased.  Maybe someone else can tell.

Roselyn

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> This is a hard one. I’m having lots of problems reading the marriage
> record at the bottom of the left side of the page. I believe it says Manuel
> Esteves Franco, son of Belchior Esteves and Maria Franco, deceased, is
> marrying Isabel de Jesus daughter of ?? and ?. I think it says that
> the brides parents are deceased? I can not make out the date on the record.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-
> AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P105.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares 1788 marriage ofFrancisco Cardoso and Francisca Rosa

2018-08-21 Thread doreencaetano

Thank you.

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Cardoso and Francisca Rosa

1788, January 20, Francisco Cardoso son of José Simões and Maria Madalena from 
Alteres, with Francisca Rosa daughter of Francisco Lourenço Mendes and Antonia 
Maria from Altares too.

Philippe Garnier 
Paris - France
Em segunda-feira, 20 de agosto de 2018 17:28:01 GMT+2, doreencaet...@gmail.com 
 escreveu: 


I can not read this read. It is too light and I have not learned how to make 
adjustments to help me read it. Can someone help me? Top of the left side. 
Thanks. Doreen
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P4.html
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares 1788 marriage of Francisco Cardoso and Francisca Rosa

1788, January 20, Francisco Cardoso son of José Simões and Maria Madalena from 
Alteres, with Francisca Rosa daughter of Francisco Lourenço Mendes and Antonia 
Maria from Altares too.
Philippe Garnier Paris - FranceEm segunda-feira, 20 de agosto de 2018 
17:28:01 GMT+2, doreencaet...@gmail.com  escreveu:  
 
 
I can not read this read. It is too light and I have not learned how to make 
adjustments to help me read it. Can someone help me? Top of the left side. 
Thanks. Doreen

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P4.html

  

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares Marriage record from1825

2018-08-05 Thread doreencaetano

Thanks. I thought it was the 28th. I was thinking there was something after 
what looks like Dias but I do not have the language skills to know it is 
additional parts of the family name. Thanks again.

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This is what it looks like to me:

8 Aug 1825

Francisco Gonsalves Velho
(Jose Gonsalves Velho X Maria de Jesus)
SPOUSE
Beatrice do Espirito Santo
(Francisco Martins Dias?? X Rosa da Trindade)

Shirley in CA

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I’m having a lot of problems reading this record. The groom is Francisco 
Goncalves Velho and I think his parents are Jose Goncalves Velho and Maria de 
Jesus. The bride is Beatriz do Espirito Santo and I think her father is 
Francisco Martins and I can not make out her mother’s name. I have a problem in 
my database and I’m trying to resolve it so as much info I can get from this 
record would greatly be appreciated.
The record is on the right side. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P127.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares Marriage record from 1825

2018-08-05 Thread Shirley Allegre

This is what it looks like to me:

8 Aug 1825

Francisco Gonsalves Velho
(Jose Gonsalves Velho X Maria de Jesus)
SPOUSE
Beatrice do Espirito Santo
(Francisco Martins Dias?? X Rosa da Trindade)

Shirley in CA

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I’m having a lot of problems reading this record. The groom is Francisco
Goncalves Velho and I think his parents are Jose Goncalves Velho and Maria de
Jesus. The bride is Beatriz do Espirito Santo and I think her father is
Francisco Martins and I can not make out her mother’s name. I have a problem in
my database and I’m trying to resolve it so as much info I can get from this
record would greatly be appreciated.

The record is on the right side.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P127.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares Marriage record from1825

2018-08-04 Thread George Pacheco

as you saw it Francisco Martins Dias written in the old spelling of Diaz
today Francisco Martins Dias

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> Thanks. Was there anything else added to the father of the bride like
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> Rosa da Trindade
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> On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 9:44 PM  wrote:
>
> I’m having a lot of problems reading this record. The groom is Francisco
> Goncalves Velho and I think his parents are Jose Goncalves Velho and Maria
> de Jesus. The bride is Beatriz do Espirito Santo and I think her father is
> Francisco Martins and I can not make out her mother’s name. I have a
> problem in my database and I’m trying to resolve it so as much info I can
> get from this record would greatly be appreciated.
>
> The record is on the right side.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P127.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares Marriage record from1825

2018-08-04 Thread doreencaetano

Thanks. Was there anything else added to the father of the bride like Francisco 
Martins Dias? Or something?

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Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 7:00 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
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Rosa da Trindade

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 9:44 PM  wrote:
I’m having a lot of problems reading this record. The groom is Francisco 
Goncalves Velho and I think his parents are Jose Goncalves Velho and Maria de 
Jesus. The bride is Beatriz do Espirito Santo and I think her father is 
Francisco Martins and I can not make out her mother’s name. I have a problem in 
my database and I’m trying to resolve it so as much info I can get from this 
record would greatly be appreciated.
The record is on the right side. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P127.html
Thank you

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares Marriage record from 1825

2018-08-04 Thread George Pacheco

Rosa da Trindade

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 9:44 PM  wrote:

> I’m having a lot of problems reading this record. The groom is Francisco
> Goncalves Velho and I think his parents are Jose Goncalves Velho and Maria
> de Jesus. The bride is Beatriz do Espirito Santo and I think her father is
> Francisco Martins and I can not make out her mother’s name. I have a
> problem in my database and I’m trying to resolve it so as much info I can
> get from this record would greatly be appreciated.
>
> The record is on the right side.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P127.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading margin; Pedro Miguel, Faial

2018-07-27 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Cheri;  Thanks a lot for translating this for me.  I think you’re right about 
qualifying for the Civil Registry job!  LOL!

Appreciate your help,

Sam (Camas, WA)

From: Cheri Mello
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1) Married with Joao de Something Gomes of 24 years, native of the freguesia of 
Pedro Miguel, council of Horta, son of Jose Francisco Gomes and of Teresa de 
Jesus da Rosa (not sure of her) of the Conservatory of the Civil Registry of 
the council of Horta on the day 8 of October of 1000 900 20 and 5. Record # 77 
of 8 Oct 1925. On the 14 March 1000 900 60 and 6 (I think that's 66). 

2) The marriage referenced in the notation something..was dissolved by the 
death of the partner Joao R. Terra Gomes (so there's your "Something" name from 
the 1st note), died in the freguesia of Pedro Miguel council of Horta on the 
day 5 of October 1000 900 60 and 2. Record # 216 of 6 Oct 1962. There's 
something more that I can't make sense of.

Someone else can chime in and clarify further.

I think the test to be hired in the Civil Registry was to see how tiny and 
squishy one could write!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 6:03 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1900-1911/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1900-1911_item1/P121.html

Bottom right page.  I can read lots of the words but; can’t make sense of it.  
I believe there are two separate notes and that the bottom one is talking about 
her death?  Any help is much appreciated.

Thanks in advance;

Sam (Camas, WA)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading margin; Pedro Miguel, Faial

2018-07-26 Thread Cheri Mello

1) Married with Joao de Something Gomes of 24 years, native of the
freguesia of Pedro Miguel, council of Horta, son of Jose Francisco Gomes
and of Teresa de Jesus da Rosa (not sure of her) of the Conservatory of the
Civil Registry of the council of Horta on the day 8 of October of 1000 900
20 and 5. Record # 77 of 8 Oct 1925. On the 14 March 1000 900 60 and 6 (I
think that's 66).

2) The marriage referenced in the notation something..was dissolved by the
death of the partner Joao R. Terra Gomes (so there's your "Something" name
from the 1st note), died in the freguesia of Pedro Miguel council of Horta
on the day 5 of October 1000 900 60 and 2. Record # 216 of 6 Oct 1962.
There's something more that I can't make sense of.

Someone else can chime in and clarify further.

I think the test to be hired in the Civil Registry was to see how tiny and
squishy one could write!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-
> HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1900-1911/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1900-1911_item1/P121.html
>
>
>
> Bottom right page.  I can read lots of the words but; can’t make sense of
> it.  I believe there are two separate notes and that the bottom one is
> talking about her death?  Any help is much appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance;
>
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>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares marriage of Jose Coelho de Ornelas and Isabel Joaquina

2018-07-21 Thread Cheri Mello

Bill S,

Yes, with practice, everyone can get the hang of "reading" the records :)
Cheri

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On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 1:25 PM,  wrote:

> Tough record, but I came to same conclusions as Cheri including the date
> and further confirmed the names of the parents in the Terceira Marriage
> Index.  I must be getting better at this.
>
> Bill Seidler
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares marriage of Jose Coelhode Ornelas and Isabel Joaquina

2018-07-21 Thread doreencaetano

She was the one I had the questions on so thank you.

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From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 1:18 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares marriage of Jose Coelhode 
Ornelas and Isabel Joaquina

It's a little light or faded.
18 May 1795 (I used the record below to get the year...someone else may read 18 
May differently)

Groom: Jose Coelho de Ornellas, son of Antonio Coelho de Ornellas and Josefa 
Maria
Bride: Isabel Joaquina, daughter of Francisco (I think) Coelho Gomes and Rosa 
Jacinta, natives of this freguesia. 

I don't know if they mean everybody is from this freguesia or just the bride 
and her parents.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
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On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 12:40 PM,  wrote:
Wow I can not believe my luck. I had been search the index and could not find 
this couple. I decided to look at the marriage record of godparents of their 
child . Was just trying to get my bearing in the records and my first click was 
the page for the couple I was actually looking for…lucky me. I need help 
reading it. Please give me as much info as possible. It the first one on the 
left side. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P24.html
SO excited I can hardly wait for you guys to get back to me. Doreen

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares marriage of Jose Coelho de Ornelas and Isabel Joaquina

2018-07-21 Thread bsei2816

Tough record, but I came to same conclusions as Cheri including the date 
and further confirmed the names of the parents in the Terceira Marriage 
Index.  I must be getting better at this.

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares marriage of Jose Coelho de Ornelas and Isabel Joaquina

2018-07-21 Thread Cheri Mello

It's a little light or faded.
18 May 1795 (I used the record below to get the year...someone else may
read 18 May differently)

Groom: Jose Coelho de Ornellas, son of Antonio Coelho de Ornellas and
Josefa Maria
Bride: Isabel Joaquina, daughter of Francisco (I think) Coelho Gomes and
Rosa Jacinta, natives of this freguesia.

I don't know if they mean everybody is from this freguesia or just the
bride and her parents.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 12:40 PM,  wrote:

> Wow I can not believe my luck. I had been search the index and could not
> find this couple. I decided to look at the marriage record of godparents of
> their child . Was just trying to get my bearing in the records and my first
> click was the page for the couple I was actually looking for…lucky me. I
> need help reading it. Please give me as much info as possible. It the first
> one on the left side. http://culturacores.azores.
> gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-
> ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P24.html
>
> SO excited I can hardly wait for you guys to get back to me. Doreen
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading the marriage record from Altaresfor Antonio Vieira Jaques and Rosa Josfa

As you are aware I’m having problem locating the parents’ (Antonio Coelho de 
Ornelas and Beatriz do Rosario) marriage. Do you think this could be it? Right 
hand side of the page
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P57.html
It for Antonio Coelho and Beatriz dos Santos. I went back to the child’s 
marriage and I do not see “de Ornelas”.  
Hey the link are coming through now. 😊 If this is not it I guess I will start 
search from 10 years before her wedding and work backward.

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From: Margaret Vicente
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 7:58 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading the marriage record from 
Altaresfor Antonio Vieira Jaques and Rosa Josfa

Antonio Coelho de Ornellas ( Ornelas) and Beatriz do Rosario.

Please note Antonio is short form and smudged, it should be verified against 
bride's birth record,

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On Jul 16, 2017, at 10:11 AM, doreencaetano  wrote:
 I am having trouble reading the bride's parent's names. I have A Coelho 
deceased and Beatriz ? da Rosa. This record is on the left side of the page
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P158.html
 
 Also I do not know why when I copy and paste the link into the email that it 
is not noting it as a link to a web site. I've tried putting spaces before and 
after...I've tried placing a return to next line/enter afterwards...nothing 
seems to work.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares marriage record forManuel Machado Fagundes and Isabel Ignacia 7/10/1757

LOL, yes it's Agualva current form and if ties connecting there perhaps is the 
right place to look next.

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> On Jul 16, 2017, at 11:36 AM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Could it be Agualva? That village is close by and some lines of this family 
> do tie into that village.
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Margaret Vicente
> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 8:31 AM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares marriage record 
> forManuel Machado Fagundes and Isabel Ignacia 7/10/1757
>  
> Doreen, 
>  
> I'm reading Agua Alva for the bride.  It doesn't say where Francisco Xavier 
> is from and that both bride and groom are clients of S. Roque.
>  
> Perhaps someone else may be able to help to verify it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 16, 2017, at 10:24 AM, doreencaetano  wrote:
> 
> I have Manuel Machado Fagundes widow of Maria da Trindade marrying Isabel 
> Ignacia widow of Francisco Xavier. I I found the first marriage record of 
> Manuel and Maria and hos parents are Andre Machado Fagundes and Beatriz Cota. 
> I can not read where Francisco Xavier was from and Have not been able to find 
> the marriage record of Francisco and Isabel. I need to locate that record so 
> I can find out her parents' names. Does anybody know anything about the 
> bride, her parents or her first husband? The marriage record for Manuel and 
> Isabel is on the left side of the page. Thanks for your assistance.
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P163.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares marriage record forManuel Machado Fagundes and Isabel Ignacia 7/10/1757

Doreen, I'm not exactly certain pls hold off until another can have a look.  In 
any case Agualva is located in Council of Praia da Vitoria.

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> On Jul 16, 2017, at 11:32 AM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. Where is Agua Alva?
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Margaret Vicente
> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 8:31 AM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares marriage record 
> forManuel Machado Fagundes and Isabel Ignacia 7/10/1757
>  
> Doreen, 
>  
> I'm reading Agua Alva for the bride.  It doesn't say where Francisco Xavier 
> is from and that both bride and groom are clients of S. Roque.
>  
> Perhaps someone else may be able to help to verify it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 16, 2017, at 10:24 AM, doreencaetano  wrote:
> 
> I have Manuel Machado Fagundes widow of Maria da Trindade marrying Isabel 
> Ignacia widow of Francisco Xavier. I I found the first marriage record of 
> Manuel and Maria and hos parents are Andre Machado Fagundes and Beatriz Cota. 
> I can not read where Francisco Xavier was from and Have not been able to find 
> the marriage record of Francisco and Isabel. I need to locate that record so 
> I can find out her parents' names. Does anybody know anything about the 
> bride, her parents or her first husband? The marriage record for Manuel and 
> Isabel is on the left side of the page. Thanks for your assistance.
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P163.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading the marriage record from Altaresfor Antonio Vieira Jaques and Rosa Josfa

The record reads both were baptized in S Roque, Altares.

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> On Jul 16, 2017, at 11:34 AM,  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares marriage record forManuel Machado Fagundes and Isabel Ignacia 7/10/1757

Could it be Agualva? That village is close by and some lines of this family do 
tie into that village.

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From: Margaret Vicente
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 8:31 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares marriage record forManuel 
Machado Fagundes and Isabel Ignacia 7/10/1757

Doreen, 

I'm reading Agua Alva for the bride.  It doesn't say where Francisco Xavier is 
from and that both bride and groom are clients of S. Roque.

Perhaps someone else may be able to help to verify it.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2017, at 10:24 AM, doreencaetano  wrote:
I have Manuel Machado Fagundes widow of Maria da Trindade marrying Isabel 
Ignacia widow of Francisco Xavier. I I found the first marriage record of 
Manuel and Maria and hos parents are Andre Machado Fagundes and Beatriz Cota. I 
can not read where Francisco Xavier was from and Have not been able to find the 
marriage record of Francisco and Isabel. I need to locate that record so I can 
find out her parents' names. Does anybody know anything about the bride, her 
parents or her first husband? The marriage record for Manuel and Isabel is on 
the left side of the page. Thanks for your assistance.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P163.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading the marriage record from Altaresfor Antonio Vieira Jaques and Rosa Josfa

Thank you. I will also search for her birth. She was born in Altares, right? 
Have problems locating the parents marriage record. I think to find this so I 
can narrow the window of her birth date and location.

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From: Margaret Vicente
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 7:58 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading the marriage record from 
Altaresfor Antonio Vieira Jaques and Rosa Josfa

Antonio Coelho de Ornellas ( Ornelas) and Beatriz do Rosario.

Please note Antonio is short form and smudged, it should be verified against 
bride's birth record,

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2017, at 10:11 AM, doreencaetano  wrote:
 I am having trouble reading the bride's parent's names. I have A Coelho 
deceased and Beatriz ? da Rosa. This record is on the left side of the page
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P158.html

 Also I do not know why when I copy and paste the link into the email that it 
is not noting it as a link to a web site. I've tried putting spaces before and 
after...I've tried placing a return to next line/enter afterwards...nothing 
seems to work.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares marriage record forManuel Machado Fagundes and Isabel Ignacia 7/10/1757

Thanks. Where is Agua Alva?

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From: Margaret Vicente
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 8:31 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares marriage record forManuel 
Machado Fagundes and Isabel Ignacia 7/10/1757

Doreen, 

I'm reading Agua Alva for the bride.  It doesn't say where Francisco Xavier is 
from and that both bride and groom are clients of S. Roque.

Perhaps someone else may be able to help to verify it.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2017, at 10:24 AM, doreencaetano  wrote:
I have Manuel Machado Fagundes widow of Maria da Trindade marrying Isabel 
Ignacia widow of Francisco Xavier. I I found the first marriage record of 
Manuel and Maria and hos parents are Andre Machado Fagundes and Beatriz Cota. I 
can not read where Francisco Xavier was from and Have not been able to find the 
marriage record of Francisco and Isabel. I need to locate that record so I can 
find out her parents' names. Does anybody know anything about the bride, her 
parents or her first husband? The marriage record for Manuel and Isabel is on 
the left side of the page. Thanks for your assistance.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P163.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares marriage record for Manuel Machado Fagundes and Isabel Ignacia 7/10/1757

Doreen, 

I'm reading Agua Alva for the bride.  It doesn't say where Francisco Xavier is 
from and that both bride and groom are clients of S. Roque.

Perhaps someone else may be able to help to verify it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 16, 2017, at 10:24 AM, doreencaetano  wrote:
> 
> I have Manuel Machado Fagundes widow of Maria da Trindade marrying Isabel 
> Ignacia widow of Francisco Xavier. I I found the first marriage record of 
> Manuel and Maria and hos parents are Andre Machado Fagundes and Beatriz Cota. 
> I can not read where Francisco Xavier was from and Have not been able to find 
> the marriage record of Francisco and Isabel. I need to locate that record so 
> I can find out her parents' names. Does anybody know anything about the 
> bride, her parents or her first husband? The marriage record for Manuel and 
> Isabel is on the left side of the page. Thanks for your assistance.
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P163.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading the marriage record from Altares for Antonio Vieira Jaques and Rosa Josfa