monotonous posting
It's been very quiet here since the thought police manifesto. Obvious Maru what manifesto? oblivious maru... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: monotonous posting
On 19 Oct 2008, at 12:04, Jon Louis Mann wrote: It's been very quiet here since the thought police manifesto. Obvious Maru what manifesto? oblivious maru... On 20 Aug 2008, at 15:12, Nick Arnett wrote: I don't think we've ever moderated anybody for frequent off-topic posting, but I'm growing increasingly concerned that many of your postings are a distraction and offensive to some who might otherwise participate. Others,including me, are just plain bored with it, since you haven't written anything new on the topic for a long, long time. Thus declaring his intention of censoring people who bore him or whose posting he finds 'distracting' or 'offensive' by undisclosed subjective criteria that have not been discussed or approved on this list. On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:10, William T Goodall wrote: I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your position on the list to intimidate and silence those with whom you do not agree and that this behaviour could be offensive to some who might otherwise participate. We can all observe that posts on this list have subsequently declined precipitously. On 15 Oct 2008, at 01:49, William T Goodall wrote: Seems I was right. Indicating that my fears that Nick's threats of censorship would discourage posting were fully justified. All clear now Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Debunking bullshit is a thankless task. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: monotonous posting
William T Goodall wrote: On 19 Oct 2008, at 12:04, Jon Louis Mann wrote: It's been very quiet here since the thought police manifesto. ... On 20 Aug 2008, at 15:12, Nick Arnett wrote: I don't think we've ever moderated anybody for frequent off-topic posting, but I'm growing increasingly concerned that many of your postings are a distraction and offensive to some who might otherwise ... On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:10, William T Goodall wrote: I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your position on the list to intimidate and silence those with whom you do not agree and that this behaviour could be offensive to some who might otherwise participate. We can all observe that posts on this list have subsequently declined precipitously. ... Seems I was right. William-- Definitely. Because there aren't any other possible reasons for the volume of posts to fluctuate. An excellent experimental design, there! : ) After observing many hippies with dogs, I conclude that drug use makes one like puppies. ---David Because it lets you see Dog, Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: monotonous posting
William, Nick never threatened to censor you, however much you wish to interpret his email that way. He expressed concern that your posts were a distraction and offensive to some who might otherwise participate Seems he was right. Maybe the posts have dropped off because people got so damn sick of your monotonous posts. There wasn't anything interesting happening here, thanks to your monomania about religion, so they found more interesting things to do that listen to your repetitive drone. We all can observe that posts on this list have, subsequent to your ceaseless drivel, declined precipitously. Your Own Petard Maru Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker (was Re: monotonous posting)
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 1:05 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Indicating that my fears that Nick's threats of censorship would discourage posting were fully justified. There's a lot I'd LIKE to say in response, but I'll just let the cold, hard facts -- the numbers -- tell the story. The average number of posts per week in the six weeks preceding my posting was 86. The average in the six weeks following? It was 255! If there is causality at work (not just correlation), then we could say that my posting increased activity by 194 percent. Increased. As Jon Lovitz said in A League of Their Own, this would be more. During the weeks following my post, we had abnormally high activity -- more than two standard deviations from the mean. One of those weeks, we were at more than five standard deviations above the mean. Even during the last two weeks, which have been lower than the previous six, we were still less than one standard deviation below the mean, which means that the activity level since my post has only been unusually high, not at any time unusually low. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: monotonous posting
Maybe the posts have dropped off because people got so damn sick of your monotonous posts. Or maybe it was because each one of his monotonous posts elicit dozens of responses from people telling him how monotonous and irritating he is. I find everyone's responses to William, and the energy that goes into villainizing him to be much more annoying than anything he's posted. Perhaps if people just ignored his posts and used that time to post something interesting of their own, their would be something worthwhile going on here. Just a thought. Olin - Original Message - From: Dave Landmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionmailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: Re: monotonous posting William, Nick never threatened to censor you, however much you wish to interpret his email that way. He expressed concern that your posts were a distraction and offensive to some who might otherwise participate Seems he was right. Maybe the posts have dropped off because people got so damn sick of your monotonous posts. There wasn't anything interesting happening here, thanks to your monomania about religion, so they found more interesting things to do that listen to your repetitive drone. We all can observe that posts on this list have, subsequent to your ceaseless drivel, declined precipitously. Your Own Petard Maru Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-lhttp://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: monotonous posting
Olin Elliott said the following on 10/19/2008 5:59 PM: Or maybe it was because each one of his monotonous posts elicit dozens of responses from people telling him how monotonous and irritating he is. I find everyone's responses to William, and the energy that goes into villainizing him to be much more annoying than anything he's posted. Perhaps if people just ignored his posts and used that time to post something interesting of their own, their would be something worthwhile going on here. First rule of dealing with trolls: Don't Feed The Troll. --[Lance] -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker (was Re: monotonous posting)
On 19 Oct 2008, at 22:48, Nick Arnett wrote: During the weeks following my post, we had abnormally high activity -- more than two standard deviations from the mean. One of those weeks, we were at more than five standard deviations above the mean. Obviously controversy always causes a flurry of postings. For a true picture one must wait until the list quiesces again. Even during the last two weeks, which have been lower than the previous six, we were still less than one standard deviation below the mean, One standard deviation below eh? which means that the activity level since my post has only been unusually high, not at any time unusually low. That's a whole lot of spin :-) QED Maru The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. - Albert Einstein -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: monotonous posting
On 20 Oct 2008, at 00:01, Lance A. Brown wrote: Olin Elliott said the following on 10/19/2008 5:59 PM: Or maybe it was because each one of his monotonous posts elicit dozens of responses from people telling him how monotonous and irritating he is. I find everyone's responses to William, and the energy that goes into villainizing him to be much more annoying than anything he's posted. Perhaps if people just ignored his posts and used that time to post something interesting of their own, their would be something worthwhile going on here. First rule of dealing with trolls: Don't Feed The Troll. That's a very sound policy I've been following for years. Don't post in a thread you don't like, especially to complain that you don't like it. Obvious Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: monotonous posting
On 19 Oct 2008, at 22:15, Dave Land wrote: William, Nick never threatened to censor you, however much you wish to interpret his email that way. He expressed concern that your posts were a distraction and offensive to some who might otherwise participate Seems he was right. Maybe the posts have dropped off because people got so damn sick of your monotonous posts. There wasn't anything interesting happening here, thanks to your monomania about religion, so they found more interesting things to do that listen to your repetitive drone. As an experiment I ceased posting on the topic of religion at that time. We all can observe that posts on this list have, subsequent to your ceaseless drivel, declined precipitously. So my posts obviously didn't contribute to that decline since I stopped making them. That leaves Nick's threats of censorship as an explanation. Logical Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: monotonous posting
On 19 Oct 2008, at 22:59, Olin Elliott wrote: Maybe the posts have dropped off because people got so damn sick of your monotonous posts. Or maybe it was because each one of his monotonous posts elicit dozens of responses from people telling him how monotonous and irritating he is. I find everyone's responses to William, and the energy that goes into villainizing him to be much more annoying than anything he's posted. I find that too. Perhaps if people just ignored his posts and used that time to post something interesting of their own, their would be something worthwhile going on here. Just a thought. How about an example? Suggestion Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: monotonous posting
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008, Lance A. Brown wrote: Olin Elliott said the following on 10/19/2008 5:59 PM: Or maybe it was because each one of his monotonous posts elicit dozens of responses from people telling him how monotonous and irritating he is. I find everyone's responses to William, and the energy that goes into villainizing him to be much more annoying than anything he's posted. Perhaps if people just ignored his posts and used that time to post something interesting of their own, their would be something worthwhile going on here. First rule of dealing with trolls: Don't Feed The Troll. Sometimes some folks have problem spotting the troll. I'm cautious if I observe someone exhibiting behavior anywhere near trollish behavior. If I decide after some more observation that it is, indeed, a troll, I just don't reply to the posts of that particular person. Keeps me from looking like an idiot when more people figure out hey, yeah, that's a troll, and if it turns out not to be such a troll, I'm perfectly content to go back to replying. That's just me. And, well, I have an underdeveloped sense of tact; at least 2/3 of whatever might be perceived as tact in me is actually my keeping my mouth shut when in doubt. (If you do that in person, but stay attentive to the conversation, you may end up with a reputation as a good listener, and people tend to like you more. That's about the only theory I have to explain why I am as popular as I am at this point IRL.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: monotonous posting
On 20/10/2008, at 10:50 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: Sometimes some folks have problem spotting the troll. Yep. Sneaky at times, them trolls. And there's a subtle difference between someone trolling purely maliciously, and someone yanking a chain in order to hold a mirror up to someone else's arguments, if you'll forgive me the mixed metaphor... Me, WYSIWYG. I like a good debate. I occasionally get caught up in things and need to back out earlier than I do (but this tendency has decreased since working for someone else, as I can no longer spend 2 - 3 hours a day writing email and definitely don't post with beer in me as often!!!). But I don't have an online persona. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: monotonous posting
Julia Thompson wrote: That's just me. And, well, I have an underdeveloped sense of tact; at least 2/3 of whatever might be perceived as tact in me is actually my keeping my mouth shut when in doubt. (If you do that in person, but stay attentive to the conversation, you may end up with a reputation as a good listener, and people tend to like you more. That's about the only theory I have to explain why I am as popular as I am at this point IRL.) I've always loved the quote from Abraham Lincoln: Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 There is no royal road to geometry. -- Euclid -- Said to king Ptolemy I ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Ouch (crosspost).
Yesterday I took part in the Around The Bay in a Day ride. Here's the route. Length of about 210km (130 miles). http://www.bv.com.au/map/gmap/atb2008/?slct1=2 I was on the bike for 8h 10m (and on a standard road bike rather than my recumbent...). I was in a fair bit of pain at the end. Better this morning, much better. If I were riding Le Tour, I'd need to do this again 20 more times... ouch. But at least I wouldn't have had to stop for traffic lights... Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: monotonous posting
On 20/10/2008, at 11:11 AM, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: I've always loved the quote from Abraham Lincoln: Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. If it was indeed Lincoln that penned it. It's also been attributed to Mark Twain, Oscar Wilde and a host of others. So it may well have been a piece of old-wive's advice that was repeated by quite a few eminent folks. :) I also like the one that goes One has two ears and one mouth, and should use them in that proportion. Charlie ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
High school student faces felony charges for writing a story about zombies
http://groxx.com/ZeroTolerance/High_school_student_faces_felony_charges_for_writing_a_story_about_zombies-1/ . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: monotonous posting
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 4:32 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: So my posts obviously didn't contribute to that decline since I stopped making them. That leaves Nick's threats of censorship as an explanation. And since there was no decline, but rather an extremely unusual increase in postings, what conclusion do you draw??? Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker (was Re: monotonous posting)
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 4:24 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On 19 Oct 2008, at 22:48, Nick Arnett wrote: During the weeks following my post, we had abnormally high activity -- more than two standard deviations from the mean. One of those weeks, we were at more than five standard deviations above the mean. Obviously controversy always causes a flurry of postings. For a true picture one must wait until the list quiesces again. How... convenient for you to imagine that the data isn't meaningful when it contradicts you. Running for office, are you? Anybody else think that explains six weeks of high posting activity followed by two weeks of normal activity, very little of which had anything to do with the post William would have us believe discouraged activity? William, you actually haven't documented a statistically significant decrease in postings (because there isn't one). Maybe it's time for a review of basic statistics? The reason that the last two weeks' posting level doesn't represent a significant drop is that 90 percent of values in a normal distribution fall within one standard deviation of the mean. The decline, in terms of statistical significance, is a pink unicorn. Shoo it away. I have started two companies and have four patents for this kind of analysis and eight years of experience doing it. My patents were bought by Nielsen/BuzzMetrics and my second startup was acquired by one of the biggest social media agencies in the world. So, what do you have to back up your analysis? Like, you know, numbers and stuff? Or, and this is my preference, just drop it. You are completely wrong; the numbers don't lie. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: monotonous posting
On 20 Oct 2008, at 01:51, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 4:32 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my posts obviously didn't contribute to that decline since I stopped making them. That leaves Nick's threats of censorship as an explanation. And since there was no decline, but rather an extremely unusual increase in postings, what conclusion do you draw??? That you are not very good at interpreting evidence? Unsurprising Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Space Based Solar Power
Little over two weeks ago I was at a military conference in Florida on power satellites. I was talking about the pup up and push idea of sending a laser stage up to 260 miles and while it's above the atmosphere push it into geosynchronous transfer orbit with a 4 GW ablation propulsion laser. (Half payload because the ISP is so high.) At dinner with a couple of officers and Charles Miller, Charles made a case (obvious only in retrospect) that there is a simple, already tried, way to finance even a few hundred billion dollars for power satellites. Miller had tentatively discussed this back in May at the International Space Development Conference but at the time I missed it. This kicked off about a hundred emails last week on a private email list after a telephone conference call. The combination of vast amounts of cheap and very clean energy from power satellites and (more important) a way to finance them would certainly change future prospects. I will probably put up a web page about the idea this week. Keith ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: High school student faces felony charges for writing a story about zombies
On 20/10/2008, at 10:41 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: http://groxx.com/ZeroTolerance/High_school_student_faces_felony_charges_for_writing_a_story_about_zombies-1/ T'was in 2005 (it's ten days to the day all charges were dropped, likely the reason it's pop-ed up again.) A good summary of the idiocy can be found here: http://bowjamesbow.ca/writing/william-poole-c/ . . . ronn! :) O'n there were no zombies in the story. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: monotonous posting
William T Goodall said the following on 10/19/2008 7:27 PM: First rule of dealing with trolls: Don't Feed The Troll. That's a very sound policy I've been following for years. Don't post in a thread you don't like, especially to complain that you don't like it. Did I say I didn't like this thread? Don't put words in my mouth. --[Lance] -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Space Based Solar Power
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 5:45 PM, hkhenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At dinner with a couple of officers and Charles Miller, Charles made a case (obvious only in retrospect) that there is a simple, already tried, way to finance even a few hundred billion dollars for power satellites. Declare a crisis and give the Treasury Secretary a blank check? Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker (was Re: monotonous posting)
On 20 Oct 2008, at 02:05, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 4:24 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, and this is my preference, just drop it. You are completely wrong; the numbers don't lie. Of course you prefer not be shown to be wrong. I think it's very clear to any reasonable person that I am right. Your blustering and posturing isn't going to convince anyone otherwise. Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ “Babies are born every day without an iPod. We will get there.” - Adam Sohn, the head of public relations for Microsoft's Zune division. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: monotonous posting
On 20 Oct 2008, at 02:51, Lance A. Brown wrote: William T Goodall said the following on 10/19/2008 7:27 PM: First rule of dealing with trolls: Don't Feed The Troll. That's a very sound policy I've been following for years. Don't post in a thread you don't like, especially to complain that you don't like it. Did I say I didn't like this thread? Don't put words in my mouth. I wasn't referring to *you*. Don't post in a thread one doesn't like, especially to complain that one doesn't like it. Vernacular Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Speaking of unicorns
At least, unicorns were mentioned in some other thread today http://www.democraticstuff.com/Unicorns-for-Obama-Photo-Button-p/bt23828.htm That site has an awful lot of buttons for sale. Many of them are *highly* amusing for various reasons. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:56 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Of course you prefer not be shown to be wrong. I think it's very clear to any reasonable person that I am right. Your blustering and posturing isn't going to convince anyone otherwise. My apologies to all for feeding the troll. I was under the mistaken impression that objective numbers would squelch the nonsense. But as the wise many once said, Can't make nobody do nuthin'. I'll stop feeding him now and perhaps ponder just how much disruption the list managers should tolerate. A lot, of course, but sheesh... Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )
On 20 Oct 2008, at 03:07, Nick Arnett wrote: I'll stop feeding him now and perhaps ponder just how much disruption the list managers should tolerate. A lot, of course, but sheesh... I really don't think you are fit to be list manager. You should do the decent thing and quit. Advice Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: High school student faces felony charges for writing a story about zombies
At 08:21 PM Sunday 10/19/2008, sendai wrote: On 20/10/2008, at 10:41 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: http://groxx.com/ZeroTolerance/High_school_student_faces_felony_charges_for_writing_a_story_about_zombies-1/ T'was in 2005 (it's ten days to the day all charges were dropped, likely the reason it's pop-ed up again.) A good summary of the idiocy can be found here: http://bowjamesbow.ca/writing/william-poole-c/ . . . ronn! :) O'n there were no zombies in the story. My apologies, although the source I got it from is normally a quite reliable source. (In any case, this and other cases have made me think that some of the things I wrote in high school would probably have led to serious trouble if they had been written by a student in today's schools. Wouldn't have helped that until I was about a sophomore I was thinking about majoring in chemistry and so of course knew at least in principle how to make some potentially dangerous materials.) . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: High school student faces felony charges for writing a story about zombies
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: http://groxx.com/ZeroTolerance/High_school_student_faces_felony_charges_for_writing_a_story_about_zombies-1/ Will civilization ever return to the United States? Some days I have my doubts. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. -- Winston Churchill ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )
At 09:12 PM Sunday 10/19/2008, William T Goodall wrote: On 20 Oct 2008, at 03:07, Nick Arnett wrote: I'll stop feeding him now and perhaps ponder just how much disruption the list managers should tolerate. A lot, of course, but sheesh... I really don't think you are fit to be list manager. You should do the decent thing and quit. Advice Maru Free advice is usually worth the price. Unknown . . . ronn! :) Everybody is entitled to his own ridiculous opinion. W. C. Widenhouse, Capt., USAF, ca. 1977 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )
On 20/10/2008, at 1:12 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 20 Oct 2008, at 03:07, Nick Arnett wrote: I'll stop feeding him now and perhaps ponder just how much disruption the list managers should tolerate. A lot, of course, but sheesh... I really don't think you are fit to be list manager. You should do the decent thing and quit. Are you the kind of guy who goes to the zoo and pokes his fingers through the cage despite the signs saying Caution: Animals May Bite and then will blame someone else when they do? 'cause at the moment, you know you're irritating Nick (apparently for no other reason than it amuses you), and are continuing to do so despite Nick expressing his irritation. It's as if you're daring him to ban you, and if he does, you'll blame him for intolerance or overstepping his authority or some such. Are you THAT bored? Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )
William wrote: I really don't think you are fit to be list manager. You should do the decent thing and quit. Are you volunteering your time and equipment? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )
Nick wrote: I'll stop feeding him now and perhaps ponder just how much disruption the list managers should tolerate. A lot, of course, but sheesh... Excellent idea. There is as much or even more disruption in the tumultuous replies than there were in the original messages. Doug Just roll with it maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Two Weeks To Go
And then we find out if the US will continue its slide into theocracy and demagoguery, or if there's at least a glimmer of hope in turning what should be one of the world's great citizen nations back from the brink. I know there's not been a lot of election chatter this time round. I suspect that's 'cause the last two have been so utterly disappointing in terms of the way they panned out (not the result per se, that's a different story, but the manner of the campaigns and the bad taste from the Florida and Ohio debacles). And with the bizarre VP choice by McCain and the pretty much totally negative campaign his team have run, it's been a bit disturbing watching from across the water. Charlie Who Can't See Russia From His House But Used To Be Able To See Gunfire From Warships Off Beirut Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Two Weeks To Go
Charlie Bell wrote: And then we find out if the US will continue its slide into theocracy and demagoguery, or if there's at least a glimmer of hope in turning what should be one of the world's great citizen nations back from the brink. I think that the only things that can stop Obama now are either some sort of massive October surprise or the Bradly effect. I can only hope that the racists just stay home. Colin Powell's endorsement today today may give Obama a bump; independents that have been worried about security may be won over. I know there's not been a lot of election chatter this time round. I suspect that's 'cause the last two have been so utterly disappointing in terms of the way they panned out (not the result per se, that's a different story, but the manner of the campaigns and the bad taste from the Florida and Ohio debacles). And with the bizarre VP choice by McCain and the pretty much totally negative campaign his team have run, it's been a bit disturbing watching from across the water. But how amazing would it be if Obama does win? I'd have told you a year ago that there was no way in hell that an African American could compete for the presidency, let alone be the favorite with a few weeks to go. The unfortunate thing is that the country is so f**ked up now that it really will take a superman to have any appreciable success in one term. The good thing is that I think we get a lot of respect back from the other nations of the world just by electing him. Doug No on hate, no on 8 maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Two Weeks To Go
On 20/10/2008, at 4:24 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: But how amazing would it be if Obama does win? I'd have told you a year ago that there was no way in hell that an African American could compete for the presidency, let alone be the favorite with a few weeks to go. The unfortunate thing is that the country is so f**ked up now that it really will take a superman to have any appreciable success in one term. The good thing is that I think we get a lot of respect back from the other nations of the world just by electing him. And more so if it's an umambiguous landslide. Yes, you're absolutely right. Anyway, I just thought I should say that despite the lack of onlist chatter, some of us abroad are watching closely (I watched the first two debates in their entirety, and highlights of the third, and the roast from the dinner the other night - how come the McCain that was delivering such good lines in the roast doesn't seem to be the same one that's running for President??). Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l