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My mother's aunt couldn't keep the house cool when my mom was living with her (and didn't listen to my mom's advice on handling it). She went away for a week, and the temperatures were higher that week than they'd been all summer, but when she got home, my mother had it cooler in the house than it had been in a couple of months. I think after that, my mom was put in charge of keeping the house cool until she moved out. :) Julia As I had said, I know what to do, but sometimes knowing and doing doesn't get the job done. The above is a perfect example. My brother stays here when he's working in the area, he has all kinds of advice for keeping the house cool. But who doesn't close their blinds in the morning, and leaves the windows wide open all day (even now in the winter)? There were plenty of days I'd have the house doing okay, cool enough, then there'd be a slip up or a few extra hot days and the whole system would fail. My niece was also staying here this summer, but she had no clue that if a door was closed there was a reason, blinds need to be pulled shut, how ACs work. (I had a broken AC in a closet downstairs, and a working one underneath a window. She didn't want the working AC put in at first because once it went in, it stayed in with a special bracket, no air movement in that window. It finally got too hot for her but instead of asking me to lift the AC into the window, she just turned it on where it sat on the floor; then carried the broken one upstairs and put it on top of the other one and wondered why she wasn't cool! This girl is in college?)(I was saving the broken AC for a friend taking HVAC classes, they work on old ACs otherwise I was throwing it out). Kevin T. 10.25 - 20.5 cm of snow today! I still have to go to work, as far as I know ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 09:53 AM 12/4/02 -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote: Russell Chapman wrote: How dirty can a ceiling get?? That depends on how often you use candles, oil lamps, oil simmerpots, potpourri, and other things that put extra stuff in the air. And how often you do experiments that involve making a working volcano model on the living room coffee table... :-) It wasn't a volcano, but the results of one experiment that . . . ahem . . . produced excess amounts of unwanted gaseous byproducts which were sufficient to remove the top from the container and create a fountain of chemical mix which removed the paint from the areas of the ceiling it touched. Results: (1) Yes, I figured out what went wrong. (Fortunately, the eruption occurred after I had set the container down and stepped away from the table.) (2) My father got to repaint the kitchen (at about the same time, a boilover from another experiment had sprayed black corrosive stuff on one wall, so the whole thing needed repainting). (3) My father also got to help me put shelves, etc., in the utility room to use that area, rather than the kitchen, as laboratory space, with the additional caveat that experiments involving the use of heat were to be conducted out of doors on the patio. (Concrete, however, is not the best surface over which to handle expensive lab glassware purchases with one's allowance. And then there were days when the wind seemed to take the fumes directly into the neighbor's open bedroom window . . . ) (4) Eventually I decided to become a professional astronomer rather than a chemist. --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Russell Chapman wrote: How dirty can a ceiling get?? That depends on how often you use candles, oil lamps, oil simmerpots, potpourri, and other things that put extra stuff in the air. And how often you do experiments that involve making a working volcano model on the living room coffee table... :-) Reggie Bautista Experience is the best teacher Maru _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Kevin Tarr wrote: Still haven't started yet, waiting for the mad season to be over with: Sonja, what do you mean about the weight of the plaster replaced, 700kg? Do you mean that 50kg came off a wall that had to be replaced with something else, or that was truly the weight of the material that was new? Well in total 28 bags at 25 kg each of plaster went into this house. We had about 800 kg stacked in our living room when they started. I nicked one bag for repairs and three went back to the supplier. In order for so much plaster to go in, first it had to come off. And all that with a chisel and a hammer in under three days. It is a very impressiv amount when stacked in ones living room. And If I hadn't been there myself I wouldn't have believed it. Still haven't started yet, waiting for the mad season to be over with: He thinks the nine foot ceilings are too much and should put in drop ceilings I love high ceilings, but it is worth considering the decoration you put on them to make the most of them. I did something spectacular with ours so now our rather high (we also have 9 ft ceilings downstairs) narrow long tunnellike livingroom has that feel of spaciousness and luxurious width it doesn't have by nature. Everybody is surprised when entering. I've noticed that it totally fools the eye. So it just all depends on what you do with it. Just don't put in drop ceilings. I personally dislike the look of any form of drop ceilings. Wood, panneling or other. But there is a new kind of system of 'drop'ceiling. Actually it is more like a fake ceiling. It kind of works kind of like laminated flooring only the panels are much bigger and nailed to a wooden support that has to be put onto the ceiling first. When finished it rather looks like it has been plastered really fancy and since it is synthetic it is rather easy to clean. And the best part is that you don't loose much hight or see any of the fixings. There is only a loss of 3 to 4 cm that you need to put in the pannels. It looks really great. I've seen it in a friends house and it is absolutely gorgeous. Only problem is the price. It is somewhat expensive. But I think rather worth it if you aren't good at plastering ceilings. Sonja ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Kevin Tarr wrote: At 10:43 AM 11/28/2002 +1000, you wrote: ...but the summers are horrid. The house has complete exposure east, west, and south. Sometime days it was 85 at 5am inside, while 70 outside. I know about getting the heat out, but sometimes can't. To keep your house as cool as possible. In the morning when it is still chilly outside open all the windows. Best even to have them open all night. Then before the sun gets hot close everything and draw the curtains. In the afternoon when it starts to cool down again you can open everything up again. It works great but you really need to keep everything closed during the daytime. Opening up just one window for a little while will ruin it. Sonja ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Kevin Tarr wrote: Still haven't started yet, waiting for the mad season to be over with: He thinks the nine foot ceilings are too much and should put in drop ceilings I love high ceilings, but it is worth considering the decoration you put on them to make the most of them. I did something spectacular with ours so now our rather high (we also have 9 ft ceilings downstairs) narrow long tunnellike livingroom has that feel of spaciousness and luxurious width it doesn't have by nature. Everybody is surprised when entering. I've noticed that it totally fools the eye. So it just all depends on what you do with it. Just don't put in drop ceilings. I personally dislike the look of any form of drop ceilings. Wood, panneling or other. But there is a new kind of system of 'drop'ceiling. Actually it is more like a fake ceiling. It kind of works kind of like laminated flooring only the panels are much bigger and nailed to a wooden support that has to be put onto the ceiling first. When finished it rather looks like it has been plastered really fancy and since it is synthetic it is rather easy to clean. And the best part is that you don't loose much hight or see any of the fixings. There is only a loss of 3 to 4 cm that you need to put in the pannels. It looks really great. I've seen it in a friends house and it is absolutely gorgeous. Only problem is the price. It is somewhat expensive. But I think rather worth it if you aren't good at plastering ceilings. 1) We have 10-foot ceilings downstairs and 9-foot ceilings upstairs. 2) We have crown molding in most of the downstairs rooms. We also have a wallpaper border in the kitchen just under the crown molding. It's a pattern of 4 different birds. (I hated most of the borders in the wallpaper books when we were picking out wallpaper, but this one wasn't all fruity, flowery or obviously designed for either a laundry room or bathroom.) We also have some crown molding upstairs, most notably in the big open room. 3) Plaster? Not only are the walls drywall, but the ceilings are, as well. They used a thicker drywall for the ceilings than for the walls. And they did a very good job of putting it all up, but then again, they were paid extremely well to do so. I like the idea of panels similar to the ones for laminated floors. But I think those would be harder to install, gravity working against you instead of for you. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Kevin Tarr wrote: At 10:43 AM 11/28/2002 +1000, you wrote: ...but the summers are horrid. The house has complete exposure east, west, and south. Sometime days it was 85 at 5am inside, while 70 outside. I know about getting the heat out, but sometimes can't. To keep your house as cool as possible. In the morning when it is still chilly outside open all the windows. Best even to have them open all night. Then before the sun gets hot close everything and draw the curtains. In the afternoon when it starts to cool down again you can open everything up again. It works great but you really need to keep everything closed during the daytime. Opening up just one window for a little while will ruin it. Open the windows in the afternoon/evening as soon as the outdoor temperature is cooler than the indoor temperature. Using a fan to pull the warmer air out of the house (set up a box fan in one window, blowing out) helps a lot. Close the windows as close to sunrise as possible. My mother's aunt couldn't keep the house cool when my mom was living with her (and didn't listen to my mom's advice on handling it). She went away for a week, and the temperatures were higher that week than they'd been all summer, but when she got home, my mother had it cooler in the house than it had been in a couple of months. I think after that, my mom was put in charge of keeping the house cool until she moved out. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Julia Thompson wrote: I like the idea of panels similar to the ones for laminated floors. But I think those would be harder to install, gravity working against you instead of for you. :) Well that is just it. Because of their size and weight they are really easy to handle. Maybe I should have said floorboards instead of laminated flooring. It is something in between. You click and nail the parts into place. With sort of a tung and groove system but not exactly like it. I cannot remember the firm that makes them. But I'll be at the builders merchant a lot more often now, since we started on our bathroom this week so I can look (if I remember to). Sonja ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: When finished it rather looks like it has been plastered really fancy and since it is synthetic it is rather easy to clean. How dirty can a ceiling get?? Now I feel like a slob because I have NEVER cleaned a ceiling beyond spider web removal... Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Russell Chapman wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: When finished it rather looks like it has been plastered really fancy and since it is synthetic it is rather easy to clean. How dirty can a ceiling get?? Now I feel like a slob because I have NEVER cleaned a ceiling beyond spider web removal... Neither have I. When it gets *that* bad, just repaint. (Although there was a patch at my mother's house that *really* could have used cleaning for a number of years, as we'd touch it as we went up the stairs to the second floor, and since the ceiling had a texture to it, cleaning it wasn't going to be easy. I think that maybe the buyers of that house got an allowance for repainting the ceilings!) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn! Blankenship wrote: ¹Which should have been a clueto Julia at least (I recognize that Sonja might not be as familiar with the value of US currency)that this was NOT a regular 45-piece set of power tools . . . I got it. I didn't want to ruin it for anyone else who hadn't. Julia last post for the next 8 hours at least ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 07:39 PM 11/27/2002 -0600, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 4:58 AM Subject: Re: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds??? last of six because it's currently the nicest. I'd like to move or remove a wall to redo the kitchen, wondering if I should consult an architect or interior design person. Any suggestion/experiences? A friend who is helping has made one great suggestion and two bad ones. He thinks the nine foot ceilings are too much and should put in drop ceilings, and replace my cast iron drain pipes with PVC while I have the walls open. I hate drop ceilings (visually) and I hate PVC drain pipes (noise). 9 foot ceilings are much nicer. They make a room look spacious. If the cast iron is in good shape and not rusted through, keep it. Iron pipe is much more durable. Are your walls plaster or drywall? Stippling the ceiling and a nice wallpaper border at the top of a wall can do a lot to improve a living space. Its a waste in a bedroom if you ask me, but enough people like it that you see it pretty often. xponent Remove The Walls, Let In More Light! Maru rob It's plaster, why I asked Sonja about her post. A border around the walls? Unless I can find one 'With chicks, and guns, and fire trucks, and hookers, and drugs, and booze!' I don't think so. Kevin T. A little too male ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 11:07 PM Subject: Re: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds??? It's plaster, why I asked Sonja about her post. Cool! A border around the walls? Unless I can find one 'With chicks, and guns, and fire trucks, and hookers, and drugs, and booze!' I don't think so. You ought to look at borders a bit. There are some out there that are quite masculine. xponent Fag Trap Maru G rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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(Dee writes- not sure if the server is not gobbling AOL any more or not using the horrible AOL quoting system allows posts through, but at least we are back in business. Sorry for the lack of carrot quoting.) Kevin wrote- Why is plaster cool? It's coming out, it has too. I did a look last night, the first time I could, there is nothing between the inside and outside walls that I could see. Now I could blow in insulation and keep the plaster, but there are so many other things that need done, why bother? The house was built before electric, most rooms have one outlet, only the living room has two. Plus the mis-mash of products on the walls: this room has wood paneling and brick around the wood stove location. (No wood stove installed but I hope it's fire brick). The kitchen has some kind of paneling half way up the walls, and plaster above, with a nice frilly border of black eyed susans at the top. The front room has some kind of wall board on one wall and plaster on the rest. All the ceilings have armstrong ceiling tiles, stapled right to the plaster. In some places they have conveniently fallen. For the insulation and drywall my material costs will be $800, and I may make some connections in the next two weeks to get better prices. Even if I spend 5k, I still be way ahead doing it right once. Then it's the back deck, then the garage if I can figure out a way to drive onto my lot, then the pool, then the outdoor hot tub, then the sauna, then I die. Or I could get married and have kids and have no money for any of it with her bitching every week about the dumpy old house. (But I'd be much happier anyway I'm sure) Kevin T. I just have to get off my lazy butt and do it. (after the holidays and playoffs class) * Dee writes- If your plaster is in good shape you can do pretty well with screws/molly bolts. I also have/like the high ceilings, but the specs of the rooms mean different things for different rooms. The kitchen here is small and the high ceilings needed something to bring them in proportion. In my case I used a watercolor wallpaper, but could have just as easily used a darker color to do the same thing. Nice broad molding/moulding could also bring the appearance of the ceiling down (I have seen fishing borders with tackle boxes etc if you feel the need to be not to frilly.) In several of the rooms I have had some people put drywall over the plaster (some of this was due to chunks of the plaster coming away from the lathe during roofing). I would love to do a few more rooms, but my drywalling ability is as poor as my skil saw use. (I do rec 1/2inch/1cm drywall just as a suggestion if you go over the plaster). The guys at the paint store were originally worried about my removal of plaster in some areas due to asbestos scares, but they then realized this house was built approx 1900 and that was before asbestos was invented (or so they say). The stairwell I took all the way down to the lathe and then the carpenter put up drywall since I could not afford to lose the 1inch/2cm of space for getting furniture up/down the stairs. I have to agree ICK on the ceiling tiles and if you drywall it right once it will be a plus. I replastered almost a whole room and I still want drywalling lessons for christmas (LOL, back to the original post- drywall not diamonds). I also had limited sockets in several of the rooms (one with a pull chain light still)- luckily there is a guy that works on old houses and every room now has minumum 2 outlests, wall switches and even a light in my closet. Highly recommended. On another more ironic note- I am 10 years into my three year plan. I hope you fair better. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 12:21 AM Subject: Re: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds??? Why is plaster cool? Plaster is cool because it involves workmanship. It is also a much more solid wall than drywall. Drywall is definately the way to go in areas needing renovation. But plaster doesnt turn to mush when it gets wet. It's coming out, it has too. I did a look last night, the first time I could, there is nothing between the inside and outside walls that I could see. I assume that you mean the exterior walls. Now I could blow in insulation and keep the plaster, but there are so many other things that need done, why bother? A fact of life. The house was built before electric, most rooms have one outlet, only the living room has two. What size is your electric service? Do you have capacity to expand and add more plugs? (How many rooms and how many plugs are you adding?) Is there knob and tube conductors in the attic or is it all run with romex? Plus the mis-mash of products on the walls: this room has wood paneling and brick around the wood stove location. (No wood stove installed but I hope it's fire brick). The kitchen has some kind of paneling half way up the walls, and plaster above, with a nice frilly border of black eyed susans at the top. Not very masculine is it? Maybe you can find a border with wild game or cuts of meat.G The front room has some kind of wall board on one wall and plaster on the rest. All the ceilings have armstrong ceiling tiles, stapled right to the plaster. In some places they have conveniently fallen. Akkk.. I hate those ceiling tiles. Painted stippled ceilings look soo much better. For the insulation and drywall my material costs will be $800, and I may make some connections in the next two weeks to get better prices. Actually that sounds pretty reasonable. Even if I spend 5k, I still be way ahead doing it right once. Then it's the back deck, then the garage if I can figure out a way to drive onto my lot, then the pool, then the outdoor hot tub, then the sauna, then I die. Or I could get married and have kids and have no money for any of it with her bitching every week about the dumpy old house. (But I'd be much happier anyway I'm sure) Do you have one of those local call in radio shows that is devoted to home improvement? They can be a good resource when you are not sure, and they are better than advice from folks like me because they can tell you more about local building conditions and local codes. (Some methods that would work great here in the south would cause problems in other climates.) xponent A Builder Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 09:57 PM 11/27/02 +0100, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Ronn! Blankenship wrote: I think Julia did not take a good look at the items I suggested. Might I suggest she click on the See larger picture link or read the reviewers' descriptions? (If she does, I think she will see why the shipping restrictions are not a problem . . . ) ROTFLMAO I missed it the first time I looked. But you maybe right. That might just be it. At least Jeroen can't do any major damage to the house or himself using those. Either you or Julia one asked for suggestions of tools you could get for him that he could not hurt himself with, so I tried to comply . . . On the other hand he would be hard pressed keeping Tom out of this kind of toolkit, seen the interest little Tom already developed for mamies grown ups toolbox. grin Solution: get one for each. At $19.95US per set¹, two of them would still cost only about half as much as I paid for my Dremel kit, and should then keep _both_ kids out of your hair while you're working . . . _ ¹Which should have been a clueto Julia at least (I recognize that Sonja might not be as familiar with the value of US currency)that this was NOT a regular 45-piece set of power tools . . . I still wonder how they can measure the shipping weight to a fraction of a milligram . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn! Blankenship wrote: I think Julia did not take a good look at the items I suggested. Might I suggest she click on the See larger picture link or read the reviewers' descriptions? (If she does, I think she will see why the shipping restrictions are not a problem . . . ) ROTFLMAO I missed it the first time I looked. But you maybe right. That might just be it. At least Jeroen can't do any major damage to the house or himself using those. On the other hand he would be hard pressed keeping Tom out of this kind of toolkit, seen the interest little Tom already developed for mamies grown ups toolbox. grin Sonja ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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A rubber mallet is a very useful thing. I think we could use another one around here. Crescent wrenches aren't too bad. A crescent wrench implies something that's already tooled to fit together, just needing tightening or something. (Of course, you can over-tighten, and get problems that way. Fortunately, Bowflex will send replacement bolts if you ask them.) To be fair I have to admit that although Jeroen is somewhat of a dummy at any form of constructive DIY he is very good at the destructive kind. Last year he spent almost a week getting down all the plaster (stripping the whole lot back to the brikwork where necessary) from all the walls and ceilings in our hallway (with a simple chisel and a klaw hammer). It was a lot of plaster that came off those walls. I believe it took about 700 kg dry weight to replace it all. Wow. I don't like plaster. Too hard to get anything into it to hang things, was my experience at my mother's new (actually, rather old) house. (I say new because she bought it in 1999, but it was built in the 1930s. At least, the original part of it was. It had an addition sometime before 1980, and then another one IIRC in 1992. The last addition is a nice large room, on the order of 6m X 6m.) I've got a system worked out now for putting things up when it's wood studs for the frame and drywall for the wall surface. Julia Three relevant points in one posts! I almost feel like e-mailing off list, but that's gotten a bad rap lately. First the Bowflex: you have one? You like? My gym membership runs out soon and while I'm much stronger and healthier than I was last year, the other reasons I joined this gym have gone away. It will be good for me to drop the membership. I already have home free weights and a chepo bench, but was wondering about a machine. I saw this: http://healthfxamerica.com/ which is much cheaper. While I'm not a serious mechanic anymore, my favorite tool(s) you had to special order from sears. They are tappet wrenches. Couldn't find an easy link, and don't know if they make them in metric. They have a thinner head than a normal wrench, with two sizes on each wrench, and are longer. My four wrenches saw more action than any other tool in my belt pouch. Still haven't started yet, waiting for the mad season to be over with: Sonja, what do you mean about the weight of the plaster replaced, 700kg? Do you mean that 50kg came off a wall that had to be replaced with something else, or that was truly the weight of the material that was new? I've got my house mapped out, home much surface material and insulation I'll need and the current costs. I'm pulling new electric, cable, and phone wires for each room, plus other things. Maybe new whole house AC, but will wait to see how much new insulation helps. The room I'm in now will be the last of six because it's currently the nicest. I'd like to move or remove a wall to redo the kitchen, wondering if I should consult an architect or interior design person. Any suggestion/experiences? A friend who is helping has made one great suggestion and two bad ones. He thinks the nine foot ceilings are too much and should put in drop ceilings, and replace my cast iron drain pipes with PVC while I have the walls open. I hate drop ceilings (visually) and I hate PVC drain pipes (noise). Kevin T. One person, yet the laundry never stops. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 10:43 AM 11/28/2002 +1000, you wrote: Kevin Tarr wrote: I'm pulling new electric, cable, and phone wires for each room, plus other things. Maybe new whole house AC, but will wait to see how much new insulation helps. Ducting is whole lot easier while you're ripping into things than to come back and do it later. Unless you're looking at having several head units in strategic locations (which means only the refrigeration pipes need to traverse the house between the main compressor and the head units instead of running full ducts), then make the decision now. The room I'm in now will be the last of six because it's currently the nicest. I'd like to move or remove a wall to redo the kitchen, wondering if I should consult an architect or interior design person. Any suggestion/experiences? A builder. I've seen too many people remove/relocate a wall only to discover that the wall had some load bearing function. A friend who is helping has made one great suggestion and two bad ones. He thinks the nine foot ceilings are too much and should put in drop ceilings, and replace my cast iron drain pipes with PVC while I have the walls open. I hate drop ceilings (visually) and I hate PVC drain pipes (noise). Depending on the age of the house (well, of the plumbing to be precise), it may be worthwhile replacing the cast iron pipes with new cast iron pipes. The old ones will have layers of rust, calcium and general gunk in them dramatically reducing their effectiveness. Same applies for water supply pipes. Either that or put in PVC (much easier and cheaper) and then jam insulation around them before you reclad the walls. Depending on the climate, I'd keep the 9 foot ceilings. They're coming back into vogue here now as an extra cost option when you contract to have a house built. Cooler in summer and a more open and airy feel to the room. Cheers Russell C. Kevin T. One person, yet the laundry never stops. (and nor will the renovations and repairs once you start...) Never mind about my other post, wondering if they are getting lost. Some people are e-mailing from the future. What are tonight's powerball numbers? I'll share. Thank you for the reply. Going backwards: southern PA is the climate. Trust me, dropped ceilings were never an option, but he says it every time. I can stand the lower heat settings, I do great with my fuel costs, but the summers are horrid. The house has complete exposure east, west, and south. Sometime days it was 85 at 5am inside, while 70 outside. I know about getting the heat out, but sometimes can't. That does seem like a good idea, with the PVC pipes. I know I 'should' replace the iron, but I don't want to; at least 75 years old. That decision is far in the future. It's a whole complicated mess: The bathroom is big, I could put in shower and whirlpool. But I'd have to keep the one wall I'd like to remove in place for that extra weight. My kitchen, limited by this wall, is very small, the sink, stove and most cabinets are in another room from fridge and table. Yes a builder is a good idea. But again: that is far in the future, the last phase. I understand about the duct work, I have to think about it. There are other considerations. Kevin T. But again: thank you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 4:58 AM Subject: Re: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds??? last of six because it's currently the nicest. I'd like to move or remove a wall to redo the kitchen, wondering if I should consult an architect or interior design person. Any suggestion/experiences? A friend who is helping has made one great suggestion and two bad ones. He thinks the nine foot ceilings are too much and should put in drop ceilings, and replace my cast iron drain pipes with PVC while I have the walls open. I hate drop ceilings (visually) and I hate PVC drain pipes (noise). 9 foot ceilings are much nicer. They make a room look spacious. If the cast iron is in good shape and not rusted through, keep it. Iron pipe is much more durable. Are your walls plaster or drywall? Stippling the ceiling and a nice wallpaper border at the top of a wall can do a lot to improve a living space. Its a waste in a bedroom if you ask me, but enough people like it that you see it pretty often. xponent Remove The Walls, Let In More Light! Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Kevin Tarr wrote: Some people are e-mailing from the future. Face it - Australia is the future - we leave you all behind (ignore NZ Fiji, everyone else does...) What are tonight's powerball numbers? I'll share. But how are you going to get my share forward in time to me? Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Julia Thompson wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Ronn Blankenship wrote: At 03:25 AM 11/20/02, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: snipped various tool stuff I so envy you. :o) What do you give a guy that isn't a crack-ass DIY-er? A book on Home Repair for Absolute Beginners? ;-) That would mean I'd be prepared to let Jeroen use my tools wouldn't it? Sonja Bloodbath eminent maru Get him his own set of tools, starting with things it would be harder to hurt himself with. :) Any suggestions? I could start him off on a rubber hammer maybe. ;o) To be fair I have to admit that although Jeroen is somewhat of a dummy at any form of constructive DIY he is very good at the destructive kind. Last year he spent almost a week getting down all the plaster (stripping the whole lot back to the brikwork where necessary) from all the walls and ceilings in our hallway (with a simple chisel and a klaw hammer). It was a lot of plaster that came off those walls. I believe it took about 700 kg dry weight to replace it all. Sonja ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 11/26/2002 2:50:25 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was a lot of plaster that came off those walls. I believe it took about 700 kg dry weight to replace it all. Drat. I wish I had known this beforehand. On the back of one panel in my house are the words: If you can read this, you're too damn clumsy. Everyone should sign their own house when they have the opportunity. The drum on my dryer has: Jane, Jane, stop this crazy thing! And a half-sized body. William Taylor - Sharpie use before football. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Get him his own set of tools, starting with things it would be harder to hurt himself with. :) Any suggestions? I could start him off on a rubber hammer maybe. ;o) A rubber mallet is a very useful thing. I think we could use another one around here. Crescent wrenches aren't too bad. A crescent wrench implies something that's already tooled to fit together, just needing tightening or something. (Of course, you can over-tighten, and get problems that way. Fortunately, Bowflex will send replacement bolts if you ask them.) Nut drivers. He probably could use a couple of them for taking apart computers, if not everything at your house is a laptop and he wants to tinker. Screwdrivers could be hazardous. Especially if you use one to try to help clean grout between ceramic tiles. (You can end up sharpening the screwdriver that way. At least, that's what happened when my mom used one for the purpose.) To be fair I have to admit that although Jeroen is somewhat of a dummy at any form of constructive DIY he is very good at the destructive kind. Last year he spent almost a week getting down all the plaster (stripping the whole lot back to the brikwork where necessary) from all the walls and ceilings in our hallway (with a simple chisel and a klaw hammer). It was a lot of plaster that came off those walls. I believe it took about 700 kg dry weight to replace it all. Wow. I don't like plaster. Too hard to get anything into it to hang things, was my experience at my mother's new (actually, rather old) house. (I say new because she bought it in 1999, but it was built in the 1930s. At least, the original part of it was. It had an addition sometime before 1980, and then another one IIRC in 1992. The last addition is a nice large room, on the order of 6m X 6m.) I've got a system worked out now for putting things up when it's wood studs for the frame and drywall for the wall surface. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 08:16 PM 11/26/02 -0800, Doug wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Crescent wrenches aren't too bad. AKA Crescent Hammer, the multi-tool. That unfortunately were all too thick to fit into the available clearance (at least the 4, 6, and 8 all were, and I didn't try anything larger) the night I desperately needed to loosen a 9mm hex head bolt in order to get my car running. My handyman neighbor (who didn't have a 9mm open-end wrench, either) came over, and after about three hours of banging on it and using something like angled needle-nose vice-grip pliers (which were really too small to provide enough leverage), we finally got it loose. The repair went quickly from that point. As soon as the car was running, my first stop was Wal-Mart to get a set of metric open-end wrenches. (I _had_ a set of metric sockets in both 1/4 and 3/8 -- sorry, Alberto! -- drive, including a 9mm one in both sets, but there was no clearance to use that, either . . . ) --Ronn! :) The Right Tool For The Job Is Always The One Tool You Don't Have Maru I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 10:49 PM 11/26/02 +0100, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Get him his own set of tools, starting with things it would be harder to hurt himself with. :) Any suggestions? I could start him off on a rubber hammer maybe. ;o) Perhaps: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B4YRV7/ref=pd_rhf_f_2/102-8617843-9359302?v=glances=toysst=* http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B4Y75E/ref=pd_sbs_t_3/102-8617843-9359302?v=glances=toys (Note the entries under shipping weight . . . !) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B58EM0/ref=pd_rhf_f_2/102-8617843-9359302?v=glances=toysst=* If you don't like any of the above suggestions, at least with these as a start, you may be able to find others which might do . . . None of those can be shipped to her. None of them can be shipped outside the US from amazon.com. I might recommend some Good Grips (tm) tools from OXO. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/sim-explorer/explore-items/-/B4W4BY/0/ref=pd_sim_d_hi/102-0526858-3964155 may get you a page full of 'em. If it doesn't, try http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/hi/B4W4BY/qid=1038374965/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-0526858-3964155 and click on Explore similar items. I have the 10-oz. hammer, and I'm very happy with it. (I just found out they make a ceramic spice grinder. Dan would probably really, really like one) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 11:37 PM 11/26/02 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 10:49 PM 11/26/02 +0100, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Get him his own set of tools, starting with things it would be harder to hurt himself with. :) Any suggestions? I could start him off on a rubber hammer maybe. ;o) Perhaps: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B4YRV7/ref=pd_rhf_f_2/102-8617843-9359302?v=glances=toysst=* http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B4Y75E/ref=pd_sbs_t_3/102-8617843-9359302?v=glances=toys (Note the entries under shipping weight . . . !) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B58EM0/ref=pd_rhf_f_2/102-8617843-9359302?v=glances=toysst=* If you don't like any of the above suggestions, at least with these as a start, you may be able to find others which might do . . . None of those can be shipped to her. None of them can be shipped outside the US from amazon.com. [snip] Julia I think Julia did not take a good look at the items I suggested. Might I suggest she click on the See larger picture link or read the reviewers' descriptions? (If she does, I think she will see why the shipping restrictions are not a problem . . . ) Though I still wonder how they can figure the shipping weight accurate to _seven_ significant figures, when I generally don't get more than four with an analytical balance . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn Blankenship wrote: At 03:25 AM 11/20/02, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: snipped various tool stuff I so envy you. :o) What do you give a guy that isn't a crack-ass DIY-er? A book on Home Repair for Absolute Beginners? ;-) That would mean I'd be prepared to let Jeroen use my tools wouldn't it? Sonja Bloodbath eminent maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Ronn Blankenship wrote: At 03:25 AM 11/20/02, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: snipped various tool stuff I so envy you. :o) What do you give a guy that isn't a crack-ass DIY-er? A book on Home Repair for Absolute Beginners? ;-) That would mean I'd be prepared to let Jeroen use my tools wouldn't it? Sonja Bloodbath eminent maru Get him his own set of tools, starting with things it would be harder to hurt himself with. :) Julia The Electric Screwdriver Is Mine, The Drill Is His Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 01:02 PM 11/20/02, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn Blankenship wrote: But what else do you use when, for example, you want to cut tough steel¹, and find you need a diamond rotary cut-off tool to do so? (Don't laugh and say you'll never have such a need--or that a hacksaw blade will suffice if the occasion ever arises . . . ) _ ¹No, NOT handcuffs. Though I expect that a diamond wheel spinning at 30,000 RPM would probably do the trick if such were necessary. Bolt cutters would probably be a little quieter, though. One good SNAP! and you're done. (Disclaimer: Not speaking from personal experience.) True, but if for some reason you were to find yourself or a friend locked in a set of handcuffs and you didn't have a set of 24 bolt-cutters (which I don't, having not as yet found a need to cut handcuffs, heavy chains, or padlock shackles, at least not on a regular-enough basis to purchase a special tool for those purposes) but did have a Dremel® tool with a diamond cutting wheel (which I do), you might try the latter first before trying to drive to the hardware store to purchase bolt cutters while wearing handcuffs . . . And anyway, once you SNAP! the chain, you still have the bracelets to cut off somehow (assuming that the problem is that you have lost the key or that the lock has jammed somehow). I would, however, recommend that you have someone else--with a steady hand--do the cutting rather than attempting to do it yourself (although in an emergency I would probably try it if no one else was available¹) . . . _ ¹Which more often than not seems to be the case when I have an emergency. Even when someone else is available, and I am bleeding, I usually find myself having to get to the bathroom and bandage the bleeding hand with the other hand while the other person turns pale and attempts to keep from throwing up at the sight of blood. Frex, on one such occasion twenty-odd years ago, I decided the future career of a roommate that way: he had an interest in architecture but was also considering medical school, until the night he wanted to watch a program on my TV while I went out on a Church function. He couldn't get a good picture, so I started working on the antenna wires to get a better connection, and ended up plunging the tip of my knife into one of my knuckles. I gave Mark my keys and let him drive me to the emergency room at the campus clinic--of course, this was on the evening of 3 July, so only a nurse was on duty when we arrived and she had to call a doctor in. While he was sewing up my finger, I was annoyed that the nurse kept getting in my way of watching what the doctor was doing, while Mark was over in the corner trying to keep his dinner down. I think he went on to make a fine architect . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 01:43 AM 11/20/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ronn Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 20 november 2002 7:25 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds??? But a real Dremel is the best -- accept no substitutes! Agreed. Of course, the problem is that once you get the original tool--even the set with lotsa attachments--you still get to go broke accumulating all the other attachments that you find you can't do without. The Dremel I gave Sonja came with an awful lot of accessories (and a very handy hard plastic box to store it all in), Is the box grey, maybe (a very rough estimate from memory) 60 x 20 x 15 cm, with a lift-out tray with places for something like four rows of maybe 15 to 20 bits in each row? If so, then it is probably the same box I got with the set I got (which, as I said earlier, included the rotary tool and the flexible shaft and some bits, but not enough to fill up all the places for them in the tray--though over the course of time I have made a valiant effort to remedy that lack ;-) ) but there are still an awful lot of Dremel accessories she does not have yet. That is good situation for me: for the next few decades, I never have to wonder what to buy her for XMas and her birthday and our wedding anniversary... :-) For anyone who cares, my birthday is in June . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 01:20 AM 11/21/02, Doug wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronn wrote- Maybe we should have a contest: What's the strangest project you have done with your Dremel® tool? It isn't strange to me, but I grind dog toe nails with it. Dee ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l I've used one to cope raptor talons/beaks. And what do the birds think about that? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn Blankenship wrote: At 10:26 PM 11/20/02, Julia Thompson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronn wrote- Maybe we should have a contest: What's the strangest project you have done with your Dremel® tool? It isn't strange to me, but I grind dog toe nails with it. Dee How long does that take? How well do the dogs take it? Which attachment do you use? Julia with 2 dogs whose nails she lets professionals trim as often as possible Thankfully, I can still trim my cat's nails with a standard people-type nail clipper. Sometimes, they will actually even sit still long enough for me to almost finish . . . Briana starts crying when I try to clip her nails, and I can't stand Briana crying. We take her in for grooming on a regular basis, though, and the groomer trims her nails. Miranda handles it a bit better, which is just as well, since she doesn't need grooming like Briana does. When we take them to be boarded at the vets', we ask to have their nails trimmed, so as long as they've been boarded recently enough, I don't need to wrestle with Miranda. (And wrestle is as accurate a term as any for it, I guess.) I bet Briana would freak out at the Dremel, but Miranda would tolerate it for a little bit, at least initially. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip With Rennaisance festivals and Medieval festivals, and groups like SCA (Society for Creative Anacronisms), no matter what the participants tell you or what their official rules say, the standard practice is to make the costume, whether armor or clothes or shoes, *look* authentic, not necessarily to make them in an authentic way or out of 100% authentic materials. It's not really about being truly authentic, it's more about presenting the illusion of authenticity. We liked to say American version of a British accent: We recreate the Middle Ages not as they _were_, but as they _ought_to_have_been_. Meaning that comfort (eg. socks underwear) and hygiene (as shire chiurgeon, I used Neosporin and Band-Aids, not cow dung and moss!) won out over absolute authenticity. One of the women did, however, shear her own sheep, carded the wool, spun it into yarn, and wove cloth on her loom... But A Lady's Favor Was Handmade Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 11/21/2002 3:43:10 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the women did, however, shear her own sheep, carded the wool, spun it into yarn, and wove cloth on her loom... But did Megan sell her the woad? (Inside SCA question) William Taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If it were true authenticity, almost all of the participants would be lowly, barely fed, serfs. :-) My understanding is that most people who've been in SCA for more than a couple of years are lady this or lord that. Actually, 'Lord' or 'Lady' is an earned title, although you can address anyone as 'milord' or 'milady.' Titles can be earned by actual battle (well, mediated combat with approved weapons/armor in a sanctioned tournament), or learning and teaching a craft/skill such as archery, calligraphy, cookery, dancing etc. etc. IIRC, a title could be granted for extraordinary service to the group, but that was quite rare (as of 1988; rules may have changed since then). When I was active in the SCA, most of my friends who _were_ titled essentially worked in the 'mundane' world in order to support their 'habit' of medievalism... :) Keturah D'Oragefleur, Chiurgeon ;) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: Re: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds??? --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If it were true authenticity, almost all of the participants would be lowly, barely fed, serfs. :-) My understanding is that most people who've been in SCA for more than a couple of years are lady this or lord that. Actually, 'Lord' or 'Lady' is an earned title, although you can address anyone as 'milord' or 'milady.' Titles can be earned by actual battle (well, mediated combat with approved weapons/armor in a sanctioned tournament), or learning and teaching a craft/skill such as archery, calligraphy, cookery, dancing etc. etc. IIRC, a title could be granted for extraordinary service to the group, but that was quite rare (as of 1988; rules may have changed since then). Yes, that's what I've heard. In reality, of course, no serf could earn a title; it had to come from Daddy Dearest. When I was active in the SCA, most of my friends who _were_ titled essentially worked in the 'mundane' world in order to support their 'habit' of medievalism... :) We had friends who were active, and most who stuck with it over two years ended up doing enough to be titled. When folks who enjoy this fantasy know that its fantasy, then I have little trouble with it. I'm not interested, because I'm interested in what really happened 1000-500 years ago. The ones that bother me are those who claim those times were better, without thinking about what life was like for most people. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn Blankenship wrote: I've used one to cope raptor talons/beaks. And what do the birds think about that? A hooded bird is almost always very docile, even when you are grinding on its beak with a dremel. Actually, I prefer to use a file because I don't do it enough to be expert at it and a file is slower and doesn't heat the area being coped as quickly. The talons I generally clip with the same kind of clippers used on dogs and then file them with a fingernail file. Most of the time it's an educational animal - one that can not be released for one reason or the other and is used in educational programs - that's getting the trim, and they are more tolerant towards handling. That's not to say that they like it at all. Doug Shameless plug for the wildlife center: www.werc-ca.org ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds??? --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip When folks who enjoy this fantasy know that its fantasy, then I have little trouble with it. I'm not interested, because I'm interested in what really happened 1000-500 years ago. The ones that bother me are those who claim those times were better, without thinking about what life was like for most people. Barley gruel. The plague. The pox. Anemia. Once-a-year-baths (if that often!). The necessity of lapdogs to attract fleas off your own body... Did I Mention Lack Of Hygiene? Maru :P Isn't it a wonder that people were able to achieve what they did during that time? You can see the era of 1000-1500 laying the groundwork for a civilization that far surpasses that of Greece and Rome. It makes me think of how fortunate we are that we stand on the shoulders of giants. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 11/21/2002 9:03:50 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't it a wonder that people were able to achieve what they did during that time? You can see the era of 1000-1500 laying the groundwork for a civilization that far surpasses that of Greece and Rome. It makes me think of how fortunate we are that we stand on the shoulders of giants. Dan M. Without having to smell the earwax. William Taylor - Hey, 1000 leaves out the Charles the Great. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 10:08:16PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: of how fortunate we are that we stand on the shoulders of giants. Actually, I believe the average person's height of those times was significantly smaller than the average person's height today so we are fortunate to stand on the shoulders of dwarves :-) -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jon Gabriel wrote: From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds??? Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:20:44 +0100 Julia Thompson wrote: Sonja, would you like to get hardware as an anniversary gift? :) As a matter of fact I do get tools/hardware/software/DIY books or anything else usually considered as not really done/apropriate for the woman you love for any and all occasions. And I for one really love it. F.i. my husband very graciously gave me the professional edition of Dremel. OK, i'll bite. What's a Dremel? :-) It is a socalled multi tool. It is a handheld device that has a multitude of attachments so you can do anything from fine drilling / routering to delicate and minute cleaning and polishing jobs as well as some of the smaller grinding jobs. It is really good to have one, but only as an addition to the larger sole purpose machines. The only machine I have that is as versatile as the Dremel multi tool (and the one machine that gets used even more) is my dril (recently I even bought a sanding pad for it. Works like a charm). Only disadvantage to the Dremel is that it is rather expensive to run and maintain, but having seen the result of the work I do with it I think it is worth it. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 11/19/2002 11:37:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jon Gabriel wrote: OK, i'll bite. What's a Dremel? At 12:56 PM 11/19/02, Julia Thompson wrote: A really good little rotary tool. One you can put all sorts of attachments onto for engraving, carving, sanding, buffing, polishing, etc. The professional edition must be one really kick-ass set! And sometimes you buy 409 cutoff wheels by the case to cut chainmail links cleanly. A Dremel is a high speed home dental drill you never use for dentistry. William Taylor - 16ga. 1/4 I.D. galvanized wire full suit half sleeve closed underarm. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 11/19/2002 11:38:12 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But what else do you use when, for example, you want to cut tough steel¹, and find you need a diamond rotary cut-off tool to do so? (Don't laugh and say you'll never have such a need--or that a hacksaw blade will suffice if the occasion ever arises . . . ) Well sheet steel you first cut out on your Beverly Shear, up to 1/4 plate you use your straight shear, and up to 1/2 square or round you use your rod parter. And a Dremel you use on a hacksaw blade to make the lift catch for a pigfaced basinet. Any armourer knows that. William Taylor - 1,500+ ugly cheep helmets later. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn Blankenship wrote: ¹AFAIK, it was the top-of-the-line available here at the time²: it came with the flexible-shaft drive and a pile of other stuff. (The box is in the tool shed at the moment, and I can't remember exactly how the set was described, much less any model numbers we could compare . . . ) What? You got the flexible shaft _with_ your set Bastards! Now a days if you get the professional set you get lots of neat little things (like the diamond wheel cutting disks f.i.) with it, but the flexible shaft is to be obtained seperate. It would be a wonderfull addition to have, but I do like that attachment for making a full router out of the dremel much better. I did buy a big, high end of the market router last year. It was one of my biggest expenses on machines ever. But I find it very neat to have, especially since I got all of my routering bits for free from a really very charming shop assistent. The shop assistent thought it really very unfair that only people buying the really big tools get large sets of good routering bits complementary with their machines. So I've got a full set of really good quality routering bits for wood as well as the lower quality bits that normally go with my machine. It must have been my girly charm that got to him, since he also gave me a couple of tester packs with full sets of really good quality stone drilling bits for my drill as well. Unfortunatly setting the router and accompanying workarea up to do anything usefull with it, I find, is a rather big and daunting job. Also the router usually is too big, messy and not to mention noisy to do the little jobs I have in mind. And especially when you have to do the really tiny little jobs (like routering a recess or some detail in picture frames and the likes) or work indoors it is not really an option. I'm thinking about creating some real workshopspace in the shed next year. Most of the DIY things I really want to get done are either very messy or really very loud. So they are impossible to do indoors. Unfortunatly outdoors working is usually not really an option. It requires so much more time in getting out machines and redying workspace (putting up a gazebo is an absolute must in this wet country) and then packing the stuff away again. It usually takes even more time than doing the actual jobs could ever take. Sigh ²The right-angle drive head wasn't available until later. Yeah. That is a neat tool addition too. I also like the set to remove grout (sp?) from inbetween tiling. Very handy to take out just the one broken tile surrounded by others. Fortunatly I can borrow that set from someone. So I only have to replace the routerhead when I return the set and I don't have to buy the complete set. Sonja, DIY-er extrordinaire. Rereading this, I guess Jeroen is absolutely right. It'll be ages before he runs out of gift ideas for me hmm. Now I do have quite the opposite problem. What do you give a guy that isn't a crack-ass DIY-er? sigh Back to the drawing bord then... ;o) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 20 november 2002 10:25 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds??? Most of the DIY things I really want to get done are either very messy or really very loud. And sometimes: both... GRIN Rereading this, I guess Jeroen is absolutely right. Of course -- I am always right... :-) Rule #1: I am always right. Rule #2: Even if I am wrong, Rule #1 still applies. GRIN It'll be ages before he runs out of gift ideas for me hmm. Now I do have quite the opposite problem. What do you give a guy that isn't a crack-ass DIY-er? Well, I could provide you with the specs for a brand new state-of-the-art desktop computer... :-) Jeroen Expensive gifts van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 03:01 AM 11/20/02, William Taylor wrote: In a message dated 11/19/2002 11:37:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jon Gabriel wrote: OK, i'll bite. What's a Dremel? At 12:56 PM 11/19/02, Julia Thompson wrote: A really good little rotary tool. One you can put all sorts of attachments onto for engraving, carving, sanding, buffing, polishing, etc. The professional edition must be one really kick-ass set! And sometimes you buy 409 cutoff wheels by the case to cut chainmail links cleanly. Isn't that cheating? Aren't you supposed to build armor using only the tools available to a medieval armorer? A Dremel is a high speed home dental drill you never use for dentistry. You probably could, though . . . assuming you are in to pain (or maybe you are in so much pain from the bad tooth that *anything* would be an improvement). Seriously, though, some of the bits available are comparable in size to some the dentist uses . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 03:25 AM 11/20/02, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Ronn Blankenship wrote: ¹AFAIK, it was the top-of-the-line available here at the time²: it came with the flexible-shaft drive and a pile of other stuff. (The box is in the tool shed at the moment, and I can't remember exactly how the set was described, much less any model numbers we could compare . . . ) What? You got the flexible shaft _with_ your set Bastards! Now a days if you get the professional set you get lots of neat little things (like the diamond wheel cutting disks f.i.) with it, but the flexible shaft is to be obtained seperate. It would be a wonderfull addition to have, but I do like that attachment for making a full router out of the dremel much better. What I got was the variable-speed tool, the flexible shaft, and a variety of attachments, all in a molded plastic case with a tray suitable for holding several dozen bits of various shaft sizes, and all four collets. I did not get any diamond wheels with the set--I got those later--nor did I get (then or later) the router attachment. This was a few years ago, so they may have changed the contents of the set since then, or they sell a different version of the set in Europe . . . I did buy a big, high end of the market router last year. It was one of my biggest expenses on machines ever. But I find it very neat to have, especially since I got all of my routering bits for free from a really very charming shop assistent. The shop assistent thought it really very unfair that only people buying the really big tools get large sets of good routering bits complementary with their machines. So I've got a full set of really good quality routering bits for wood as well as the lower quality bits that normally go with my machine. It must have been my girly charm that got to him, since he also gave me a couple of tester packs with full sets of really good quality stone drilling bits for my drill as well. Unfortunatly setting the router and accompanying workarea up to do anything usefull with it, I find, is a rather big and daunting job. Also the router usually is too big, messy and not to mention noisy to do the little jobs I have in mind. And especially when you have to do the really tiny little jobs (like routering a recess or some detail in picture frames and the likes) or work indoors it is not really an option. I'm thinking about creating some real workshopspace in the shed next year. Most of the DIY things I really want to get done are either very messy or really very loud. My next-door neighbor does some woodworking, mostly in his garage. At the beginning of a project, he sets up his planer outside to smooth the wood before starting. Now, _that's_ loud . . . So they are impossible to do indoors. Unfortunatly outdoors working is usually not really an option. It requires so much more time in getting out machines and redying workspace (putting up a gazebo is an absolute must in this wet country) In addition to the (uncovered) concrete pad the tool shed sits on and which extends for some distance in front of the door, I have a covered patio on the back of the house¹ and a carport on the side, so if I back the car out into the driveway, I have a pretty good amount of covered space with a concrete floor. Of course, then there's the temptation to leave things set up there until the project is finished (whenever that may be), and the car never gets back under the carport . . . (¹Some of the benefits of living in the house your DIY father originally purchased back in the mid-1960s . . . BTW, for most of his professional life, he was a machinist, so in addition to all the usual--and some unusual--house and yard tools, I also inherited his collection of micrometers and calipers and other such tools . . . ) and then packing the stuff away again. It usually takes even more time than doing the actual jobs could ever take. Sigh Yes, that frequently seems to be the most time-consuming portion of the whole task. And the least fun, especially if you have to stop before the project is complete . . . ²The right-angle drive head wasn't available until later. Yeah. That is a neat tool addition too. I also like the set to remove grout (sp?) from in between tiling. Very handy to take out just the one broken tile surrounded by others. So far, I haven't broken any tile (even though both bathrooms have ceramic tile to about halfway up the wall, and almost to the ceiling in the shower). If I ever need to replace any, though, I suppose I'll probably get that attachment. Fortunatly I can borrow that set from someone. So I only have to replace the routerhead when I return the set and I don't have to buy the complete set. Sonja, DIY-er extrordinaire. Each of the telescopes I use for class on two different campuses needed work this week on its mounting, so I took my toolbox to one place last night and took apart and
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William Taylor wrote: And sometimes you buy 409 cutoff wheels by the case to cut chainmail links cleanly. Ronn replied: Isn't that cheating? Aren't you supposed to build armor using only the tools available to a medieval armorer? Sometimes people *say* they want authentic medieval armor, or Rennaisance clothing, or whatever. But if the cuts in the metal aren't perfect and straight, or if the sewing on the hem of a dress isn't sewing-machine perfect, they look at it as a sign of poor quality. My wife and I have a friend who (among other things) is a seamstress who makes authentic Rennaisance clothing -- and uses a sewing machine to do it. She has several different period outfits she wears herself, and a couple of them call for her to wear boots. The leather uppers for her boots are authentic, but the soles are rubber, both for traction and for comfort. But you'd never know it unless you got to take a good close look at the bottom of the sole. Of the people I know who work or attend Rennaisance festivals who wear boots, almost none of them go without wearing modern socks under them, sometimes two or three pair for cushion if it's not too hot. And most of the kilt-wearing guys I know from Rennaisance festivals and Scottish festivals wear underwear (typically boxers) under their kilts. On the subject of kilts, it's amazing what you can get away with. Most Rennaisance festivals ask participants to wear clothing of a style that was actually worn sometime in the late 1400s or the 1500s. But the kilt you see most often, the one that's just a skirt, a wee kilt, was not worn until the late 1600s or early 1700s. Before that, a great kilt was always worn. This is 8 to 12 yards depending on whom you ask -- mine is the whole nine yards -- of wool tartan wrapped around the waist, usually pleated across the backside, then pulled up diagonally across the front of the body as a sash, then either across the back of the body as a sash or just hanging down the back -- depending on length -- all held together by a belt and sometimes a circular kilt pin at the shoulder, no sewing required (some people cheat and sew in the pleats). The part hanging down the back can be pulled up around the shoulders as a shawl in the cold, or pulled up over the head as a cover in the rain, or can be balled up and used as a pillow. Both wee kilts and great kilts are usually worn with a shirt under them, and sometimes a doublet worn over the shirt but under the sash part of the great kilt. And typically leather boots are worn, although you can get away with moccasins or even leather sandals if the buckles aren't too prominent. Only the boots would be authentic. The kilt you will sometimes seen worn that is long cloth wrapped around the waist and pulled up over the back like a cape and pinned at both shoulders is a modern creation, similar to a great kilt but easier to put on. Despite what some websites say, this kilt is in no way authentic. With Rennaisance festivals and Medieval festivals, and groups like SCA (Society for Creative Anacronisms), no matter what the participants tell you or what their official rules say, the standard practice is to make the costume, whether armor or clothes or shoes, *look* authentic, not necessarily to make them in an authentic way or out of 100% authentic materials. It's not really about being truly authentic, it's more about presenting the illusion of authenticity. Reggie Bautista Lotsa Friends In The Biz Maru _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 11/20/02 11:59:41 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ¹No, NOT handcuffs. Though I expect that a diamond wheel spinning at 30,000 RPM would probably do the trick if such were necessary. Bolt cutters would probably be a little quieter, though. One good SNAP! and you're done. (Disclaimer: Not speaking from personal experience.) Well a real gentleman has a set of those fur lined velcro cuffs available at any SCA event William Taylor -- speaking from personal experience--but decades ago. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn wrote- Maybe we should have a contest: What's the strangest project you have done with your Dremel® tool? It isn't strange to me, but I grind dog toe nails with it. Dee ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronn wrote- Maybe we should have a contest: What's the strangest project you have done with your Dremel® tool? It isn't strange to me, but I grind dog toe nails with it. Dee How long does that take? How well do the dogs take it? Which attachment do you use? Julia with 2 dogs whose nails she lets professionals trim as often as possible ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronn wrote- Maybe we should have a contest: What's the strangest project you have done with your Dremel® tool? It isn't strange to me, but I grind dog toe nails with it. Dee ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l I've used one to cope raptor talons/beaks. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Julia Thompson wrote: Sonja, would you like to get hardware as an anniversary gift? :) As a matter of fact I do get tools/hardware/software/DIY books or anything else usually considered as not really done/apropriate for the woman you love for any and all occasions. And I for one really love it. F.i. my husband very graciously gave me the professional edition of Dremel. I love him all the more for it. It is a super handy little device. Of course I had already been drooling over it for ages, so it was easy for him to pick up on that desire of mine. It is such a wonderfull gift for a woman that is a rampant DIYer. ;o) I mean with a diamont ring you can only cut class. or isn't that what it is supposed to be used for? sheepish grin;O) Sonja And at some occasions I do get other tools as well, but that is not something to be discussed in mixed company. Let me say that when asked about what I got as a gift for certain occasions I do have some trouble answering truthfully. ;o) very big grin blush ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds??? Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:20:44 +0100 Julia Thompson wrote: Sonja, would you like to get hardware as an anniversary gift? :) As a matter of fact I do get tools/hardware/software/DIY books or anything else usually considered as not really done/apropriate for the woman you love for any and all occasions. And I for one really love it. F.i. my husband very graciously gave me the professional edition of Dremel. OK, i'll bite. What's a Dremel? :-) Jon _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jon Gabriel wrote: From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds??? Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:20:44 +0100 Julia Thompson wrote: Sonja, would you like to get hardware as an anniversary gift? :) As a matter of fact I do get tools/hardware/software/DIY books or anything else usually considered as not really done/apropriate for the woman you love for any and all occasions. And I for one really love it. F.i. my husband very graciously gave me the professional edition of Dremel. OK, i'll bite. What's a Dremel? A really good little rotary tool. One you can put all sorts of attachments onto for engraving, carving, sanding, buffing, polishing, etc. The professional edition must be one really kick-ass set! :) (If you watch too much TV, someone has a knock-off going for some ridiculously low price, and I think it might be that guy who does the Orange Glo and the Oxy-Clean commercials hawking that one, as well. But a real Dremel is the best -- accept no substitutes!) Julia Tool Envy Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 12:56 19-11-2002 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: OK, i'll bite. What's a Dremel? A really good little rotary tool. One you can put all sorts of attachments onto for engraving, carving, sanding, buffing, polishing, etc. For more info: www.dremel.com. Prepare to drool... :-) The professional edition must be one really kick-ass set! :) Oh yeah! :-) It is one of those tools that, once you have one, makes you wonder how you managed to live without one all those years. Jeroen Tools Utilities van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: And at some occasions I do get other tools as well, but that is not something to be discussed in mixed company. Let me say that when asked about what I got as a gift for certain occasions I do have some trouble answering truthfully. ;o) very big grin blush Exactly how is this list *NOT* mixed company.:-) Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 11:20 AM 11/19/02, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Sonja, would you like to get hardware as an anniversary gift? :) As a matter of fact I do get tools/hardware/software/DIY books or anything else usually considered as not really done/apropriate for the woman you love for any and all occasions. And I for one really love it. F.i. my husband very graciously gave me the professional edition of Dremel. At 12:44 PM 11/19/02, Jon Gabriel wrote: OK, i'll bite. What's a Dremel? At 12:56 PM 11/19/02, Julia Thompson wrote: A really good little rotary tool. One you can put all sorts of attachments onto for engraving, carving, sanding, buffing, polishing, etc. The professional edition must be one really kick-ass set! :) At 11:20 AM 11/19/02, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: And at some occasions I do get other tools as well, but that is not something to be discussed in mixed company. Let me say that when asked about what I got as a gift for certain occasions I do have some trouble answering truthfully. ;o) very big grin blush Hmm. My Dremel® set¹ didn't include any of _those_ attachments. Just what kind of professional is that set intended for? ;-) _ ¹AFAIK, it was the top-of-the-line available here at the time²: it came with the flexible-shaft drive and a pile of other stuff. (The box is in the tool shed at the moment, and I can't remember exactly how the set was described, much less any model numbers we could compare . . . ) ²The right-angle drive head wasn't available until later. -- Ronn! :) Professional Smart-Aleck. Do Not Attempt. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 12:56 PM 11/19/02, Julia Thompson wrote: Jon Gabriel wrote: From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds??? Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:20:44 +0100 Julia Thompson wrote: Sonja, would you like to get hardware as an anniversary gift? :) As a matter of fact I do get tools/hardware/software/DIY books or anything else usually considered as not really done/apropriate for the woman you love for any and all occasions. And I for one really love it. F.i. my husband very graciously gave me the professional edition of Dremel. OK, i'll bite. What's a Dremel? A really good little rotary tool. One you can put all sorts of attachments onto for engraving, carving, sanding, buffing, polishing, etc. The professional edition must be one really kick-ass set! :) (If you watch too much TV, someone has a knock-off going for some ridiculously low price, and I think it might be that guy who does the Orange Glo and the Oxy-Clean commercials hawking that one, as well. But a real Dremel is the best -- accept no substitutes! Agreed. Of course, the problem is that once you get the original tool--even the set with lotsa attachments--you still get to go broke accumulating all the other attachments that you find you can't do without. Sorta like buying a Barbie for your kids. Or a computer for yourself. But what else do you use when, for example, you want to cut tough steel¹, and find you need a diamond rotary cut-off tool to do so? (Don't laugh and say you'll never have such a need--or that a hacksaw blade will suffice if the occasion ever arises . . . ) Or, if, for example, you find you need to make a duplicate SW Episode I double-ended light saber starting with a piece of PVC plumbing pipe . . . Maybe we should have a contest: What's the strangest project you have done with your Dremel® tool? _ ¹No, NOT handcuffs. Though I expect that a diamond wheel spinning at 30,000 RPM would probably do the trick if such were necessary. --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ronn Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 20 november 2002 7:25 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds??? But a real Dremel is the best -- accept no substitutes! Agreed. Of course, the problem is that once you get the original tool--even the set with lotsa attachments--you still get to go broke accumulating all the other attachments that you find you can't do without. The Dremel I gave Sonja came with an awful lot of accessories (and a very handy hard plastic box to store it all in), but there are still an awful lot of Dremel accessories she does not have yet. That is good situation for me: for the next few decades, I never have to wonder what to buy her for XMas and her birthday and our wedding anniversary... :-) Jeroen Tools Utilities van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: John D. Giorgis [mailto:jxg9;po.cwru.edu] Would you accept hardware instead of an engagement ring? Wouldn't that be awfully hard to wear on your finger...? - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 08:37 PM 11/8/02, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn Blankenship wrote: Just saw a TV commercial for the Sears Big Weekend Sale. First sequence: two guys looking at large-screen TVs. One says to the other, If we get the little one now, we'll wish we'd gotten the bigger one later. Second sequence: we see a man and a woman from the back. The woman says, If we get the little one now, we'll wish we'd gotten the bigger one later. The camera angle changes to show that they are standing at the jewelry counter, holding a ring box . . . I don't get what it is with big rings. I don't know, either, other than the obvious message My boyfriend can afford a ring this big (_and yours can't_), or Look, Mom, I did as you said and landed a rich doctor. I mean, I had a high school class ring that kept snagging on my pocket when I was pulling my lunch money out. I noticed when I got my senior ring that for several weeks at least it led to a significant imbalance when I tried to type . . . After that, I decided that bigger is *not* better, at least as far as rings go. My engagement ring is a 1/3 carat diamond, and that's as much jewelry-grade diamond as I really need, truth be told. (Industrial diamonds may be another story.) You are expecting perhaps to someday be captured by aliens and locked in a giant glass test tube from which you will have to cut your way free? Now, on the large-screen TV, I'm with the guys. :) Watching girlie flicks? --Ronn! ;-) A diamond is forever . . . at least, the payments are. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jon Gabriel wrote: DIAMONDS? WHO CARES? GIVE ME HDTV Almost 60% of women would prefer to own a HDTV set than a 1-karat diamond ring, says a survey by the Consumer Electronics Association. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,56245,00.html *Evil Grin* Gentlemen, you might want to check with them BEFOREHAND! *Evil Grin* Jon GSV Gosh, I love Surveys :-) Well, duh! What's the use of an overpriced piece of carbon that you'd worry about losing or having stolen, compared to some sort of electronic equipment? Such as, say, a computer that costs less than some of the nicer rings? ;) (HDTV would be nice, too) Julia who got her computer as a present from her husband on their 10th wedding anniversary ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 12:30 PM 11/8/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: Well, duh! What's the use of an overpriced piece of carbon that you'd worry about losing or having stolen, compared to some sort of electronic equipment? Such as, say, a computer that costs less than some of the nicer rings? ;) (HDTV would be nice, too) Julia who got her computer as a present from her husband on their 10th wedding anniversary Would you accept hardware instead of an engagement ring? JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] People everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern them; worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; own property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of freedom are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the duty of protecting these values against their enemies is the common calling of freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. -US National Security Policy, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 12:59 PM 11/8/02, Julia Thompson wrote: John D. Giorgis wrote: At 12:30 PM 11/8/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: Well, duh! What's the use of an overpriced piece of carbon that you'd worry about losing or having stolen, compared to some sort of electronic equipment? Such as, say, a computer that costs less than some of the nicer rings? ;) (HDTV would be nice, too) Julia who got her computer as a present from her husband on their 10th wedding anniversary Would you accept hardware instead of an engagement ring? No, but the cost of the engagement ring I have was *significantly* less than the cost of a HDTV. I think that there are a lot of guys who have been brainwashed by the diamond cartel to spend mucho dinero on diamonds to commemorate other life events when the woman they're buying *those* for would rather have something else. Just saw a TV commercial for the Sears Big Weekend Sale. First sequence: two guys looking at large-screen TVs. One says to the other, If we get the little one now, we'll wish we'd gotten the bigger one later. Second sequence: we see a man and a woman from the back. The woman says, If we get the little one now, we'll wish we'd gotten the bigger one later. The camera angle changes to show that they are standing at the jewelry counter, holding a ring box . . . --Ronn! ;-) A diamond is forever . . . at least, the payments are. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
