Re: [Bug-gnubg] www.gnubg.org unavailable
Done. Thx for your effort. It might be that I'll take a look at the laws next week for reactivating the original web page. but I can't promise. Ciao Achim Am Mo., 15. Okt. 2018 um 23:05 Uhr schrieb Philippe Michel < philippe.mich...@sfr.fr>: > On Sun, Jun 03, 2018 at 11:11:54AM +0200, Mueller Achim wrote: > > > So I decided to put the page temporarily offline until you (all the > > programmers) decide what to do. > > There used to be a page presenting GNUbg on the FSF site (manageable > through CVS by the members of the project), at > https://www.gnu.org/software/gnubg/ with some 10 or so years old > documentation. > > About 5 years ago it was replaced by a redirection to www.gnubg.org. > > I updated the front page there and the documentation to the current > version and removed the redirection. > > This is rather terse but better than nothing (and, as mentioned above, > can be improved by whoever is interested at working on it). > > Maybe you could add a link to it, or an outright redirection, at > www.gnubg.org ? > > > ___ > Bug-gnubg mailing list > Bug-gnubg@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg > -- http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:Acepoint ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] CVS snapshots outdated; Freshly built RPMs
2012/7/21 Achim Mueller mailingli...@acepoint.de: 2012/7/19 Christopher Hofmann c...@webeve.de: Hi, the latest CVS snapshot on http://gnubg.org/media/sources/ is from Jul 12 2012. Looks like the cronjob died. I stopped it a few days ago ... changing a server at home. It will run again from tomorrow on. Username and/or paassword don't work anymore for ftp . Did we change it? Ciao Achim -- http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:Acepoint ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] CVS snapshots outdated; Freshly built RPMs
2012/7/23 Øystein Schønning-Johansen oyste...@gmail.com: I can't log into ftp either. I did not change the password. -Øystein found it. We changed the pws in 8/2009. Anybody need the new/old one? Ciao Achim -- http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:Acepoint ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] CVS snapshots outdated; Freshly built RPMs
2012/7/19 Christopher Hofmann c...@webeve.de: Hi, the latest CVS snapshot on http://gnubg.org/media/sources/ is from Jul 12 2012. Looks like the cronjob died. I stopped it a few days ago ... changing a server at home. It will run again from tomorrow on. Ciao Achim -- http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:Acepoint ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] 16th Computer Olympiad, Tilburg, the Netherlands : November 18 to November 26, 2011
Hello Achim! Rybka is a UCI chess engine programmed by International Master Vasik Rajlich. What chess has to do with backgammon? This strikes me as an excuse Both the World Computer Chess Championship and the Computer Olympiade are organized by ICGA. Also the same rules regarding the orginality of software apply to both afaik. not to participate. Gnu must overcome the trauma caused by the successive wins of bgblitz. Gnu needs to give itself another chance. As I already said, feel free to participate. I just decided for _myself_ not for GNU Backgammon. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] New Mac OS/X Builds [20110822 Snapshot]
2011/8/22 Michael Petch mpe...@capp-sysware.com: Howdy All, I have produced new Mac OS/X builds from the 20110822 Snapshot. These versions have been updated: Hi Michael, thanks a lo for your work. One Question: shall we put the builds into the app store? Ciao Achim -- http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:Acepoint ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] New Mac OS/X Builds [20110822 Snapshot]
2011/8/22 Michael Petch mpe...@capp-sysware.com: On 22/08/2011 8:20 AM, Achim Mueller wrote: Hi Michael, thanks a lo for your work. One Question: shall we put the builds into the app store? It had crossed my mind, but knew we wouldn't qualify. The OS/X App Store Stupid me. Of course ... Ciao Achim -- http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:Acepoint ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] 16th Computer Olympiad, Tilburg, the Netherlands : November 18 to November 26, 2011
2011/8/16 boomslang boomslang_f...@yahoo.co.uk: Hi Frank, What exactly are the requirements to participate? What format will the matches be and how much time does it take approximately? Are there any costs involved? I took part in 2002 and 2003 and it was as Mssimiliano said. We agreed on a certain format and just started with two notebooks. Did anyone from the GNUbg team respond yet? Actually I'm guilty having sent an e-mail to Frank regarding the Computer Olympiade in Tilburg. It's only 2h away by car so I thought it might be fun to play again. But after the case »Rybka« and the way the ICGA handled it I decided not to participate. Anyhow, four different bg programs should be great fun so feel free to join! Ciao Achim -- http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:Acepoint ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] gnubg.com domain / expiry /auction?
Hi, 2011/8/3 Michael Petch mpe...@capp-sysware.com: Howdy, I received an email that I thought was spam at first. It indicated that gnubg.com was going up for auction soon and I was contacted because I am associated with gnubg.org and I might be interested . It gave a specialized link to http://dnipremiumnames.com/domains (I am not going to post the actual link here, I can be contacted in private for it). I received the same e-mail (probably because I'm »owner« of gnubg.org). I have no idea whether the link (learnspanishspanish.com) is serious and also don't know whether it will cost additional fee (besides the auction). Gnubg.org is hosted by a German provider for free. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Problem with www.gnubg.org
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Philippe Michel philippe.mich...@sfr.fr wrote: There is a problem with www.gnubg.org's home page. It displays an error message : --! Page headers already sent The page headers have already been sent out in /home/www/20/27/gnubgorg/index.php line 1. This could cause Nucleus not to work in the expected way. Thx. I coudn't find the cause for this problem but I did what the error page suggested: $CONF['alertOnHeadersSent'] = 0; in globalfunctions.php. Front page is back again. Ciao Achim -- http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:Acepoint ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Mac OSX 10.6 GUI
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Pierre VIAU pierre.v...@esa.int wrote: Hi Achim, Did you have any chance to take a look yet ? Yes, I had, but there are (or better: I have) some problems with dropdmg, the tool I used before. I also don't know yet how to implement a program starter icon (sent by someone months ago). So, if someone can help me, he/she is heartly invited. Ciao Achim -- http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:Acepoint ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Mac OSX 10.6 GUI
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Pierre VIAU pierre.v...@esa.int wrote: Incidentally: does your version still have the bug of not coloring the dodgy moves or cube decisions in the move log window ? Nope, everything fine here. Ciao Achim -- http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:Acepoint ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] No new source snapshots for download?
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Christopher Hofmann c...@webeve.de wrote: Hi. the last source snapshot on http://www.gnubg.org/media/sources/ is gnubg-source-SNAPSHOT-20100526.tar.gz and seems to be broken. I think there is a cron job not doing what it should do. Thx for the note. There was indeed a cronjob not doing what it should do. While copying some stuff from A to B I had overwritten the script with an older one (ncluding a wrong password). Should be fine now again. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Re: gnubg on OS X 10.6.2
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Louis Zulli zul...@lafayette.edu wrote: Yes, I have it running on my Nehalem Mac Pro. As I indicated, I used MacPorts to build universal binaries (ie, i386 and x86_64) of all the dependencies. I also built libcanberra, but in the end did not use it. I then downloaded the latest snapshot. I changed libtoolize to glibtoolize in autogen.sh. I did not modify configure.in. I configured with --enable-threads CFLAGS=-arch i386 LDFLAGS=-arch i386 and then did make and sudo make install. This built a 32-bit binary --- gnubg: Mach-O executable i386. Sound works fine using the QuickTime framework. I tried the same now but still get the following (linker) problem: Undefined symbols: _IsMovieDone, referenced from: _Thread_PlaySound_QuickTime in sound.o _NewMovieFromFile, referenced from: _PlaySound_QuickTime in sound.o _OpenMovieFile, referenced from: _PlaySound_QuickTime in sound.o _GetMovieTimeBase, referenced from: _PlaySound_QuickTime in sound.o _MoviesTask, referenced from: _Thread_PlaySound_QuickTime in sound.o _SetMovieTime, referenced from: _PlaySound_QuickTime in sound.o _StartMovie, referenced from: _PlaySound_QuickTime in sound.o _EnterMovies, referenced from: _PlaySound_QuickTime in sound.o _DisposeMovie, referenced from: _Thread_PlaySound_QuickTime in sound.o _CloseMovieFile, referenced from: _PlaySound_QuickTime in sound.o Ciao Achim -- http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:Acepoint ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Request from checkerplay.com
Hi folks, Christian Liebe-Harkort has created the page www.checkerplay.com for collecting positions. Right now people can export positions from extremegammon into the page. In a personal e-mail he asked me whether it is possible to create an export option similar to the one from extremegammon. I guess some people here already use the new program (I don't) so I save some space and won't attach an example of the export. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] libcanberra instead of QuickTime
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Louis Zulli zul...@lafayette.edu wrote: I'd like to build a 64-bit gnubg on OS X 10.6.2 Snow Leopard. So I can't use the QuickTime framework, which isn't 64-bit. I've built all the gnubg dependencies as 64-bit, including libcanberra (used MacPorts). I'd really apprechiate if someone can modify the code for Snow Leopard ;-). I'm missing gnubg on my MacBook and also had people asking me because I once made packages for Leopard. Ciao Achim signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Compile error: sound.c
Hi folks, Mac OS, Snow Leopard, macports, current snapshot: Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/include/python2.6 -DDOCDIR='/Users/ace/local/share/doc/gnubg/' -DDATADIR='/Users/ace/local/share' -DPKGDATADIR='/Users/ace/local/share/gnubg' -O3 -msse -MT sound.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/sound.Tpo -c -o sound.o sound.c sound.c: In function 'Thread_PlaySound_QuickTime': sound.c:74: error: 'Movie' undeclared (first use in this function) sound.c:74: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once sound.c:74: error: for each function it appears in.) sound.c:74: error: 'movie' undeclared (first use in this function) sound.c:74: error: expected expression before ')' token sound.c: In function 'PlaySound_QuickTime': sound.c:125: error: 'Movie' undeclared (first use in this function) sound.c:125: error: 'movie' undeclared (first use in this function) sound.c:125: error: expected expression before ')' token sound.c:134: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast make[2]: *** [sound.o] Error 1 make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 make: *** [install] Error 2 What is missing? Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Compile error: sound.c
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Michael Petch mpe...@capp-sysware.com wrote: I have access to a SL machine at a client but won't be able to look at this until the weekend. If Libcanberra is in Macports and It works I'd like to remove the Quicktime support. It is, I'm just compiling it. Ciao Achim PS. Take your time, I probably won't be able to work on it before Sunday night. ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] opening a saved position with vista's windows-explorer
Hi folks, can someone using Vista reproduce this bug? http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?23710 Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Re: Missing fonts on MacOS 10.5?
Christian Anthon schrieb: This is so Mac specific that I can only guess. Is it possible that you have other gtk using apps installed, which depends on certain fonts, not necessarily placed under /usr/X11. Do you run anything like gnome under mac osx? Nope, only a few terminal based applications by Macports. @Thomas: Can you please send us the error messages from the terminal when you start gnubg? Ciao Achim On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Mueller Achim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope this message won't occur three times on the list now ... Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: Von: Mueller Achim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 24. Juni 2008 14:38:49 MESZ An: gnubg-list bug-gnubg@gnu.org Betreff: Missing fonts on MacOS 10.5? Hi folks, this is a screenshot from a package installed on a MacOS 10.5. It looks like the default fonts are missing. Does anyone have an idea? At my system everything is fine, I also didn't receive any complaints by other users. Thomas, did you install the complete X11 package including all fonts? You should control your fonts collection and also take a look into /usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts. Ciao Achim Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: Von: Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 24. Juni 2008 11:34:11 MESZ An: Achim Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: GNU 10.5 feedback Hi, Followed your instructions. All menus are empty boxes. On 24 Jun 2008, at 10:19, Achim Mueller wrote: /opt/local/bin/gnubg -- achim mueller, ederweg 3, D-48431 rheine +49 (0)5971 83767, +49 (0)163 8458340 - pgp/gnupg key: 1024D/5DF3A722 (wwwkeys.de.pgp.net) ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Dropped by move filter
Christian Anthon schrieb: Hi Achim, I'm not exactly sure what your point is, but since the correct 2ply move falls outside the 0.160 limit of the normal move filter used at 0ply, it is never evaluated at 2ply. The point is not a technical bug but the fact that gnubg totally misevaluates a position at 0ply that actually should be handled easily. I put some more positions at http://www.acepoint.de/index.php?id=37. This section will be extended from time to time. Another idea is to open a section at www.gnubg.org that can be filled by readers and users also. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Gnubg terminal rollout
Hi folks, in gnubg terminal (gnubg -t) I do: set board simple 0 2 4 2 2 3 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 -2 0 -2 -2 -3 -3 1 0 -1 1 show board set cube center set cube value 1 set turn 1 eval hint rollout show board rollout and this is what I get at the end: Current position: 0.702 0.305 0.003 - 0.298 0.040 0.001 CL +0.670 CF +0.695 [0.004 0.005 0.000 - 0.004 0.003 0.001 CL 0.012 CF 0.030] 1r Time elapsed 1m32s Estimated time left 6s Estimated SE for Current position after 108 trials 0.029 Rollout: 103/108 trials ** (gnubg:7170): WARNING **: Too many rollouts done for alternative 0. This is a bug. Please report as many details as possible to bug-gnubg@gnu.org I also don't get updated infos after a show board. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] New packages for MacOS 10.5
Hi folks, I finally built two packages for MacOS 10.5 (using the system package manager). http://www.acepoint.de/downloads/gnubg.pkg http://www.acepoint.de/downloads/gnubg_all.pkg The first package contains only gnubg files (all located in /opt/ local/) and expects the necessary libraries being installed in /opt/ local/lib. The second package also contains all libraries besides python and X11. This is for testing only, please send feedback to this mailing list or via pm. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Package for MacOS
Am 10.05.2008 um 19:12 schrieb Michael Petch: On 5/10/08 7:33 AM, Achim Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wel, it might be that I'm a bit naive, but I have a software called dropdmg, and according to the description I only have to drop all necessary files into a container, point to a license, sign the package and that's all. I have used dropdmg too. What I recommend is that you build your package and then try to run it on a system that doesn't have DarwinPorts installed (Move /opt to /opt.orig would suffice to hide darwinports). I checked the libraries: macace:gnubg ace$ otool -L /opt/local/bin/gnubg /opt/local/bin/gnubg: /System/Library/Frameworks/QuickTime.framework/Versions/A/QuickTime (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 67.0.0) /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/ CoreServices (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 32.0.0) /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/ ApplicationServices (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 34.0.0) /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Python (compatibility version 2.5.0, current version 2.5.1) /opt/local/lib/libgthread-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 1601.0.0, current version 1601.2.0) /opt/local/lib/libxml2.2.dylib (compatibility version 9.0.0, current version 9.31.0) /opt/local/lib/libsqlite3.0.dylib (compatibility version 9.0.0, current version 9.6.0) /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 111.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libreadline.5.2.dylib (compatibility version 5.0.0, current version 5.2.0) /opt/local/lib/libncurses.5.dylib (compatibility version 5.0.0, current version 5.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libgtkglext-x11-1.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libgdkglext-x11-1.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.0.0) /usr/X11/lib/libGLU.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.3.0, current version 1.3.0) /usr/X11/lib/libGL.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.2.0, current version 1.2.0) /usr/X11/lib/libXmu.6.dylib (compatibility version 9.0.0, current version 9.0.0) /usr/X11/lib/libXext.6.dylib (compatibility version 11.0.0, current version 11.0.0) /usr/X11/lib/libXt.6.dylib (compatibility version 7.0.0, current version 7.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 1201.0.0, current version 1201.9.0) /opt/local/lib/libpangox-1.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 2001.0.0, current version 2001.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 1201.0.0, current version 1201.9.0) /opt/local/lib/libatk-1.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 2210.0.0, current version 2210.1.0) /opt/local/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 1201.0.0, current version 1201.9.0) /opt/local/lib/libtiff.3.dylib (compatibility version 12.0.0, current version 12.2.0) /opt/local/lib/libjpeg.62.dylib (compatibility version 63.0.0, current version 63.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 2001.0.0, current version 2001.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libcairo.2.dylib (compatibility version 14.0.0, current version 14.7.0) /usr/X11/lib/libSM.6.dylib (compatibility version 7.0.0, current version 7.0.0) /usr/X11/lib/libICE.6.dylib (compatibility version 10.0.0, current version 10.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 2001.0.0, current version 2001.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libpango-1.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 2001.0.0, current version 2001.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libgobject-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 1601.0.0, current version 1601.2.0) /opt/local/lib/libgmodule-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 1601.0.0, current version 1601.2.0) /opt/local/lib/libglib-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 1601.0.0, current version 1601.2.0) /opt/local/lib/libintl.8.dylib (compatibility version 9.0.0, current version 9.2.0) /opt/local/lib/libfontconfig.1.dylib (compatibility version 5.0.0, current version 5.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libiconv.2.dylib (compatibility version 7.0.0, current version 7.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libfreetype.6.dylib (compatibility version 10.0.0, current version 10.16.0) /opt/local/lib/libexpat.1.dylib (compatibility version 7.0.0, current version 7.2.0) /opt/local/lib/libpng12.0.dylib (compatibility version 27.0.0, current version 27.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libz.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.2.3) /opt/local/lib/libXrender.1.dylib (compatibility version 5.0.0, current version 5.0.0) /usr/X11/lib/libX11.6.dylib (compatibility version 9.0.0, current version 9.0.0) /usr/X11/lib/libXau.6.dylib (compatibility version 7.0.0, current version 7.0.0) /usr/X11/lib/libXdmcp.6.dylib (compatibility version 7.0.0, current version 7.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libgmp.3.dylib (compatibility version 8.0.0, current version 8.2.0) /usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Package for MacOS
Am 14.05.2008 um 05:46 schrieb Michael Petch: On 5/13/08 9:12 PM, Achim Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shouldn't it be fine to put all listed libraries of /opt/local into the package? Or does i also need some header files? I saw that you put some into the old gnubg.dmg. mv /opt /opt.tmp Now that the OPT directory has disappeared, try installing your package, and run GnuBG. Does Gnubg run correctly or does it fail with messages that dynamic libraries can't be found? This obviously won't work already during the installation: macace:gnubg ace$ sudo make install make install-recursive Making install in lib /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. - I.. -I./.. -I/opt/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/opt/local/lib/glib-2.0/ include -I/opt/local/include-I/opt/local//include -I/opt/local/ include -g -O2 -MT neuralnet.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/neuralnet.Tpo -c -o neuralnet.lo neuralnet.c gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I./.. -I/opt/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/ opt/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/opt/local/include -I/opt/local// include -I/opt/local/include -g -O2 -MT neuralnet.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/ neuralnet.Tpo -c neuralnet.c -o neuralnet.o neuralnet.c:24:18: error: glib.h: No such file or directory And after copying all gnubg stuff manually to the new /opt it won't find the libraries (expected to be in /opt/local/lib). acace:/ ace$ /opt/local/bin/gnubg dyld: Library not loaded: /opt/local/lib/libgthread-2.0.0.dylib Referenced from: /opt/local/bin/gnubg Reason: image not found Trace/BPT trap There must be another way. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Package for MacOS
Am 14.05.2008 um 06:14 schrieb Achim Mueller: There must be another way. The only way I see now is making two packages, one including the libraries for people who only have installed X11, the other package without libraries. But actually there should be an easier way. How does Max manage this on MS Windows? Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Package for MacOS
Am 10.05.2008 um 08:22 schrieb Michael Petch: On 5/9/08 11:44 PM, Achim Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm planning to make packages for MacOS 10.5 now. This is easier said than done - depending on how you intend to Package things. Wel, it might be that I'm a bit naive, but I have a software called dropdmg, and according to the description I only have to drop all necessary files into a container, point to a license, sign the package and that's all. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Package for MacOS
Hi folks, I'm planning to make packages for MacOS 10.5 now. There is one important question: Shall I put all necessary libraries into the package also? This will lead to a unpacked size of around 70 mb, but on the other side people don't have to take care of any dependencies besides X11. Ciao Achim -- achim mueller, ederweg 3, D-48431 rheine +49 (0)5971 83767, +49 (0)163 8458340 - pgp/gnupg key: 1024D/5DF3A722 (wwwkeys.de.pgp.net) ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Uninstaller doesn't delete personal files
Good point. Though I don't know whether all people would be happy in case their filled database will be deleted. Forwarded to the mailing- list. Ciao Achim Am 14.04.2008 um 19:23 schrieb boomslang: Hmmm, in this case yes, because I uninstalled gnubg using the uninstaller and expected that ALL old settings would be gone. Anyway, thx again --- On Mon, 14/4/08, Achim Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Achim Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Bug-gnubg] BUG: Cannot install gnubg-0.16- devel-20080319-NOGLADE-setup.exe correctly. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, 14 April, 2008, 10:50 AM Am 13.04.2008 um 22:18 schrieb boomslang: Thx Achim, your 2nd reply was helpful. I wonder why the setup doesnt overwrite this .gnubgautorc-file. Maybe a small bug? Well, would you like having overwritten your settings everytime you install a new version? Ciao Achim ___ Yahoo! For Good helps you make a difference http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] BUG: Cannot install gnubg-0.16-devel-20080319-NOGLADE-setup.exe correctly.
* boomslang [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080413 18:00]: Hi, I downloaded gnubg-0.16-devel-20080319-NOGLADE-setup.exe (23,437,895 bytes) to my desktop PC and installed it on a memory stick (attached to the desktop PC) to see if it would run on my dual core LAPTOP. That worked fine, so i decided to install the file on my laptop in a folder 'c:\gnubgMT' (the file was still on the memory stick). Installation seemed to have worked, but when i remove the memory stick, the installation will not run: it gives an error message like Could not load E:\gnubg\fanfare.wav and then it crashes. So somehow it still wants to access the memory stick (E:) for data. Uninstalling and re-intalling (WITHOUT the mem stick attached) gives the same problem each and every time. I just cant seem to install it properly now. (Something to do with the registry?) Laptop runs on Windows XP Professional version 2002 SP2. Greetings and keep up the good work, Look for c:\gnubgMT\.gnubgautorc, open it with an editor and replace the paths E:\gnubg with your correct path. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] BUG: Cannot install gnubg-0.16-devel-20080319-NOGLADE-setup.exe correctly.
* Achim Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080413 18:35]: * boomslang [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080413 18:00]: Look for c:\gnubgMT\.gnubgautorc, open it with an editor and replace the paths E:\gnubg with your correct path. It might be that gnubgautorc is in c:\documents and settings\user data\gnubg or somewhere else where windows stores individual application data. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] OS/X check in
* Michael Petch [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080411 04:45]: All that being said, the fix is to pull my new copy of lib/mm_malloc.h out of Gnubg's CVS repository (Which has been amended to make the functions static) OR you can replace you mm_malloc.h with the one attached to this email. This looks fine. gnubg compiles now (using your 3 modified files), plays sound, 3d works, threads work, sse works. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] New packages for Mac OSX
Hi again, after successfully compiling gnubg now with all options enabled I have a few questions regarding the packages. 1. Can someone implement Michaels changes into cvs, please? 2. Putting gnubg into the Macports is no no big deal, but how do we provide a simple package? - static build? - only gnubg and the users have to take care of the dependencies? - gnubg with all additionally libraries in one package (similar to the windows build)? If the latter, what additonal libraries are needed? 3. What paths do we use as default? - /opt/local (like the Macports) - /Applications (mostly native Leopard applications - /usr/local (more unix like) 4. Michael, do you take care of the Mac OSX 10.4 build? Ciao Achim PS. I'm pretty busy this weekend (25th anniversary of passing Abitur, big party in my former home town), so I'll probably work on it earliest on monday. ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Edit cube position bug
* Massimiliano Maini [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080410 10:15]: Michael Petch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/04/2008 09:34:33: No as I said I was using an OS/X build made of the latest CVS, and the windows Dev Build from the main Gnu site. You mean on www.gnubg.org ? I make these windows builds ... And with the last one (tagged 20080319), I do have the problem here under XP. I also noticed the following: with a 2d board, the cube changes side (left/right) as soon as the direction is swapped. With the 3d board not. Again ... not here ;-). No matter whether 2d or 3d board (CSource code 0.9.0 build on a MacOS Leopard), cube behaves as expected. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] OS/X check in
* Michael Petch [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080410 02:00]: I'll try it today (with you patches). Thanks for the cookbook. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Compile error on MacOS 10.5.2
* Michael Petch [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080407 09:27]: One question I have, and it may have been related to the pango fix. Where did you install Fink? Is it in a directory that happens to contain .a (Without the quotes) somewhere in the path? I seem to recall now the pango issue may have been because I was building into a path that has GnuBG.app in the middle of it (/Applications/GnuBG.app/Contents/MacOS/fink). I think there was a SED bug in a script that incorrectly transforms the .a in the middle to something else (The intent was that they were trying to rename some files with .a extensions to .la . Fink is in /sw, pango in /sw/include/pango-1.0/. If you have installed fink into a place other than the default you could try seeing what happens if you build using the default install paths. I didn't change anything. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Compile error on MacOS 10.5.2
* Christian Anthon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080407 13:33]: Hi Achim, when you get things working, perhaps you could add to the INSTALL file with instructions for people wanting to build gnubg on macs. Besides 3D and threads everthing is fine so far. There are two options to make a package: 1. Macports - there is no maintainer yet, so I'll probably take maintainership of the port. Gnubg will be installed in /opt then. 2. There is an option of making an install archive (for less experienced users), but I'm not sure about the paths yet. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Compile error/3d error on MacOS 10.5.2 (Leopard)
Hi again,
threads are working fine, but there is a problem with 3d-support. On the
system there are two directories:
macace:gnubg ace$ ls -l
/System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries
total 54672
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel584848 19 Feb 07:00 libGL.dylib
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1325776 19 Feb 07:00 libGLImage.dylib
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24242144 19 Feb 07:00
libGLProgrammability.dylib
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1832592 19 Feb 07:00 libGLU.dylib
macace:gnubg ace$ ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL*
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 13 31 Mär 22:06
/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.1.2.dylib - libGL.1.dylib
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2390592 14 Jan 07:11
/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.1.dylib
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 13 31 Mär 22:06
/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.dylib - libGL.1.dylib
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14 31 Mär 22:06
/usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.1.3.dylib - libGLU.1.dylib
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 3304064 14 Jan 07:11
/usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.1.dylib
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14 31 Mär 22:06
/usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.dylib - libGLU.1.dylib
When I just compile with --with-3dboard the linker stops:
ld: cycle in dylib re-exports with /usr/X11/lib/libGL.dylib
This seems to be a known bug, see also
http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12107#120160.
When I set export
LDFLAGS=${LDFLAGS}-L/System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries
the sources compile, but after starting gnubg I get this error:
Python supported.
SQLite database supported.
Window system supported.
External players supported.
XML match equity files supported.
3d Boards supported.
External commands supported.
Multiple threads supported.
SSE supported and available.
dyld: lazy symbol binding failed: Symbol not found: _glXQueryExtension
Referenced from: /opt/local/lib/libgdkglext-x11-1.0.0.dylib
Expected in: flat namespace
dyld: Symbol not found: _glXQueryExtension
Referenced from: /opt/local/lib/libgdkglext-x11-1.0.0.dylib
Expected in: flat namespace
Trace/BPT trap
Ciao
Achim
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Re: [Bug-gnubg] Fixed ... Compile error on MacOS 10.5.2
* Michael Petch [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080407 04:07]: Regarding pangocairo, my previous post on buidling OS/X indicated this as well. Glad I wasn't the only one. The problem is in Pango autoconf process as I recall. It incorrectly determines that cairo isn't installed (And I bet you had it installed), so then it builds pango without the pangocairo component. I'll have to look at my older build to determine what change it was that I made to pango but the fix wasn't major. With Macports it compiled now ... all I did was installing readline ... I'll do some checks this week and will also figure out how to make a decent package of it. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Compile error on MacOS 10.5.2
Hi folks, I just started with the project gnubg on MacOS 10.5. Here is my first compile error: In file included from /usr/include/sys/time.h:77, from /usr/include/sys/sysctl.h:82, from neuralnet.c:630: /usr/include/sys/_structs.h: In function 'CheckSSE': /usr/include/sys/_structs.h:192: error: nested functions are disabled, use -fnested-functions to re-enable /usr/include/sys/_structs.h:192: error: invalid storage class for function '__darwin_fd_isset' make[2]: *** [neuralnet.lo] Error 1 make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make: *** [all] Error 2 Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Re: Help with GnuBG documentation
Hi Myshkin, * Myshkin LeVine [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080330 14:12]: Hello Achim, For a while I have been meaning to write to you to ask if there is any way I could be of assistance to you in maintaining the GnuBG documentation. did you really send an e-mail to me? Sorry, somehow it got lost then. I read recently in my bug-gnubg mailing list digest that the GnuBG group would probably be needing some help with things that non-programmers could do in preparation for the release of version 1.0. I would like to offer my help in any way that I can. I have been using GnuBG for a while now and I would like to be able to help the project in some way. I am a native english speaker, so one thing I could help with might be proofreading of the english help text. That's just one idea. If you know of some way that I could help, please let me know. That would be great. Especially a native english speaker is needed. I just started to get an overview about the current documents and think about reorganizing the documentation a little bit. There is 1) All about Gnu (allaboutgnu.xml, help - Gnubg Manual (allabout) ) 2) The F.A.Q (on the webpage) 3) The command line help (help - commands) 4) The former info files (gnubgdb.xml, help - Gnubg Manual (web) ) 5) A wiki (on the webpage) Alberts allaboutgnu is great, we should keep it as a fine tutorial The f.a.q. needs some work, I collected a lot of questions from the mailing-list or some boards (gammonu, bgonline) and will extend it. The manual (former info files) definitely needs a lot of work. The wiki should be for plain users, maybe we make some announcements here and there. I suggest you begin with Albert Silvers All about Gnu. Maybe you look for misspellings and wrong phrases. Also make a note where (in your opinion) his document could be extended. I think of multi-thread, new screenshots, the database function, predefined rollouts, etc. Let me know if you need any further assistance. And thanks again for your offer. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] compile error LibGLCore
* Christian Anthon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080330 03:33]: It is just the linker that is confused and since opengl is linked in dynamically it shouldn't matter. The missing functions are something internal to nvidia and not something gnubg needs directly or indirectly unless it runs with the nvidia drivers and nvidia opengl libs. But, you are welcome to send the rpm to me for testing. You can download the rpms from www.gnubg.org/media/sources/. It's still three rpms, but I'll change the specfile later. I'll also adjust authors, etc. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] (Bug:) database path
Hi folks, in sticks bgonline forum there was the question whether it is possible to change the path of the database. I just tried it, but gnubg crashes on a winxp system when I set a new path in option - database. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] New release number 0.9.0-1
* Achim Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080328 22:08]: Does anybody know whether I should just setup another branch inside of MAIN with 0.9.0? I'm not that used in administrating cvs. Ok, I hopefully did everything right now. There is a new branch rel-0_9_0. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] compile error LibGLCore
* Christian Anthon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080328 10:12]: Hi Achim, I've seen this kind of error before. It means that your nvidia and normal opengl setup has been mixed up. Nothing much we can do from this end as the include and lib paths are setup automatically. I'm guessing that suse tries to allow easy switching between normal opengl and nvidia opengl and that you are linking against a wrong lib. Report upstream or try the official nvidia .run driver :) You were right: [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnubg $ ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.* /usr/lib/libGL.la /usr/lib/libGL.so - libGL.so.1 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 - libGL.so.1.0.9755 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.9755 belongs to Mesa [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnubg $ ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL* /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 - libGL.so.169.09 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.169.09 belongs to Nvidia. After linking /usr/lib/libGL.so to /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 it compiled. What will happen when I make a rpm based on Nvidia and someone has either only Mesa or an ATI card with their libs? Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Show records in relational database
Hi folks, the show records window doesn't fit into a 1024x768 screen. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Road map
* Christian Anthon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080317 18:27]: On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Jonathan Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the translations I think we need some very easy to follow instructions (especially on windows), I'll take a look soon. I may have a go at the Icelandic translation as well!... If we get a simple to follow system we can send a few emails out and hopefully get lots of progress. A quick search brought me to poedit, which seems like a good program that takes care of most ofthe unnecessary technical problems. There In the past I used either vi ;-), or Kbabel. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Road map
* Christian Anthon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080317 18:26]: Where we will need help and where non-programmers can easily contribute is in writing translations and updating the documentation. What will the documentation be based on? Right now it's wild spreaded ... html, info, webpage, allaboutgnu, etc. The translations are the biggest problem. cs, it and de are largely done. fr and ja are about 50% done. The rest are in a state where they do more harm than good. I'll take a look at the german part again, it's probably more than a year that I worked on it. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Gnubg website
* boomslang [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080207 07:23]: Hi, I just visited www.gnubg.org and I see a message about the German political parties SPD, CDU and CSU. What's going on? It's a EU guideline regarding data retention, concerning all EU countries. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] GnuBG/Play65GE Domain Squatting
As owner and admin-c of gnubg.org I once in a while get request from play65/ge and other companies. Usually I forward them to Oystein and send a short comment that we are not interested. Perhaps it's not unimportant to know, that years ago we agreed on a small contract including a banner on the page. After one month they didn't pay (using a lame excuse) and we stopped the whole thing. Ciao Achim * Michael Petch [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080206 05:03]: Howdy all, Off the beaten path a bit - I wanted to finally address my pet peeve with GammonEmpire in reference to GnuBG. I have been known to give out the GnuBg url to people but I occasionally give it incorrectly as GnuBG.com . What bugs me is that Gammonempire/Play65 etc are cybersquatting and attempting to profit from our products name and line their own pockets. Now maybe we are getting kickbacks or a percentage of their profits to further our development? Technically cybersquatting is illegal when it Is done so to generate revenue. You can't tell me GammonEmpire/Play65 just so happened to choose that domain for some other reason. Now before people say its an isolated incident, I also noticed that they also own netgamon.com . Here they rely on a common typo. How many more they have I don't know. Does this irk anyone else besides me? Michael Petch ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg -- achim mueller, ederweg 3, D-48431 rheine +49 (0)5971 83767, +49 (0)163 8458340 - pgp/gnupg key: 1024D/5DF3A722 (wwwkeys.de.pgp.net) ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] a nifty shell script?!
Hi folks, while playing online a lot you might want to (quickly) know some data about a guy/girl who just challenged you. I wrote a small shell script that shows relevant stats of certain players within a second. Maybe someone can integrate this directly into gnubg? The output looks like: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ query_player.sh pig No Games Result Luck_Adjusted Snowie Date -- -- - -- --- 417 8.0 3.698616.251 2008-01-08 12 34 -10.0 1.235859 7.726 2008-01-08 13 12 -5.0-2.46822 7.221 2008-01-08 15 10 -15.0 0.339399.976 2008-01-08 16 3 -7.01.296641 8.465 2008-01-08 17 4 4.0 -0.315789 6.359 2008-01-08 18 2 1.0 -0.52684.914 2008-01-08 19 12 -12.0 -1.244711 8.446 2008-01-08 Result pigeon: -36.0 Point(s) I'll put it into the cvs tree. Ciao Achim query_player.sh Description: application/shellscript ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] sqlite sync
Hi folks, I have a question regarding the sqlite database: Is it possible to sync databases on different computers? I used a db on my notebook and wanted to copy it to my pc, but though relational test says that everything is fine, gnubg can't handle the database and mumbles something from encrypted. ~/.gnubg/gnubgautorc and ~/.gnubg/database are the same. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] sqlite sync
* Christian Anthon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080108 12:01]: Achim Mueller wrote: Hi folks, I have a question regarding the sqlite database: Is it possible to sync databases on different computers? I used a db on my notebook and wanted to copy it to my pc, but though relational test says that everything is fine, gnubg can't handle the database and mumbles something from encrypted. It should work I guess, unless you have incompatible versions. If it is a one-time problem you could dump the database as text on one computer and import the text file on the other. If you want true synchronization you are probably better of using a real database server like mysql. One step further: 1. With no existing database gnubg creates an empty file after relational test but complains (No game) relational test Database table check failed! The table gnubg.match is missing. (No game) 2. When running python database.py or (whithin gnubg) load python database.py I get no output at all. 3. When running sqlite ace.db gnubg.game.sql it creates the structure, but something seems to be missing, because I still get the same error message after relational test (No game) relational test Database table check failed! The table gnubg.match is missing. So I took the windows database, renamed it and gnubg was satisfied. But when I try a sqlite command like sqlite ace.db .dump it complains Unable to open database ace.db. file is encrypted or is not a database. Does anyone uses linux _and_ sqlite and can send me a dump of an empty database? Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] sqlite sync
* Christian Anthon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080108 14:11]: Achim Mueller wrote: (No game) relational test Database table check failed! The table gnubg.match is missing. So I took the windows database, renamed it and gnubg was satisfied. But when I try a sqlite command like sqlite ace.db .dump it complains Unable to open database ace.db. file is encrypted or is not a database. This is a bug I've been meaning to get around to. First delete the database file, i.e. ace.db. Then run gnubg in the directory where gnubg.game.sql is placed (an MS windows assumption about where the file is located) and do as before. Ok, this worked, db created anf gnubg is able to import. Tx! But still... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ sqlite .gnubg/ace.db .dump Unable to open database .gnubg/ace.db: file is encrypted or is not a database Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] sqlite sync
* Christian Anthon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080108 15:13]: gnubg uses sqlite3, while 'sqlite' is sqlite2 on my ubuntu system. Might that be the problem? Bingo! I always assumed that sqlite is only a link to sqlite3 ... this explains a lot ;-). Problem solved. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Source tarballs on gnubg.org
Hi folks, a Happy New Year to all of you ... * Christian Anthon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080102 20:46]: There is no reason to keep more than a few tarballs in my opinion. People with very specific needs are better of using cvs anyway. I didn't follow the list for a while, also I didn't take care of the snapshots. It's a crnjob from my home computer. But it was probably a space problem, afair we have only 500 MB (maybe 1GB). I deleted everything up to december. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Has someone hacked www.gnubg.org?
* Christian Anthon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [071113 17:32]: Ian Shaw wrote: I went to the home page just now and got some message in German (I think) before getting onto the site proper. yes it has been hacked... by achim though. The story is the following, According to plans of the German parties CDU, CSU and SPD, from 2008 onwards it will be possible to trace who has contacted whom via telephone, mobile phone or e-mail for a period of six months. In the case of mobile calls or text messages via mobile phone, the user's location will also be logged. Anonymising services will be prohibited. So a lot of German sites has put up this notice prior to entering the actual site. Similar to what was done to convince lawmakers not to pass laws allowing software patents. Exactly! Perhaps it's worth mentioning that this passed law is based on a EU guideline which forces all members of the EU to convert the content of the guideline into national law. Also the UK ;-). Regarding the use of the www it's also not clear, whether only pure connection data (ISP - customer) or also e.g. http connections will be saved. The guideline and the German law is pretty (intentionally?!) blurred. An additonal note: There will be another contract between 52 countries called Cybercrime-Convention. Part of the contract will be the exchange of data (including the above mentioned data retention). 1984 is history! But I'll check whether there is an English version of this protest note. Before I published the one you just see I sent e-mails to a few core members if gnubg (unfortunately not to everybody). Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Re: overview of projects
* Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [071112 15:06]: Hello, for your interest, regards Mike. Please feel free to take part in the forum later on: Overview of possible 2-player/multiplayer Game Integration into Retroshare Messenger: http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=4618488 if you subscribe at http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg you are allowed to post on the list. I won't forward all your messages. Thanks in advance. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] [fwd] Fwd: your game as 2-/multi-player in the messenger
- Forwarded message from Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: your game as 2-/multi-player in the messenger Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 23:26:00 +0100 -- Forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 09.11.2007 23:23 Subject: your game as 2-/multi-player in the messenger -- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -- From: Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 23:23:33 +0100 Subject: your game as 2-/multi-player in the messenger Hello I write to you because of your open source game, want to know, if it could develop, that it is a 2-player game or even multi-player game. Then I want to ask, if you can build it into this serverless Instant Messenger: In the personal chat window, there could be a button to launch your application for the two persons/friends chatting (so your game might have different language as c++/Qt): http://retroshare.sf.net Though the messenger is serverless, the IP of the friend is found every session again, even if dynamically changed, because a Distributed hash Table has been build in. So for a 2-Player variante it might be interesting? Thanks for a feedback, if you can developt it so, to get the IP of a two player version over this communication layer of the messenger. Kind regards Mike - End forwarded message - -- achim mueller, ederweg 3, D-48431 rheine +49 (0)5971 83767, +49 (0)163 8458340 - pgp/gnupg key: 1024D/5DF3A722 (wwwkeys.de.pgp.net) ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] cause of the partygammon import bug
* Misja Alma [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070909 18:06]: Hi, Despite of my limited knowledge of C (My profession is Java programmer) I think I found the cause and the location of the PartyGammon bug. It is at the lines 3523 and 3524 (those were the line numbers in the snapshot of 6-9-2007) of the file import.c, in the procedure ConvertPartyGammonFileToMat. The new matchscores are calculated here by adding pGame.s1 and pGame.s2 to the old scores. However, pGame.s1 and s2 contain absolute matchscores, not the points won. This explains why the first game of the match is always imported correctly, the old scores were still zero so the absolute score is also the difference. So the lines 3523 and 3524 should be: s1 = pGame-s1; s2 = pGame-s2; I changed this at my own pc and now the import works. I've commited your fix at the cvs. Thanks Misja. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] CVS RSH Access
* Thomas A. Moulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070830 20:53]: I figured if I am going to build snapshots I might as well for the the bleeding edge and get the CVS version... I have a savannah account and generated a DSA key and updated it in the ey database... it says I need to wait for cron to update things.. 1hr max... so it says... I am almost to 1.5 hr and I still get Permission denied (publickey). When I try to connect to the server I got the same thing when I tried anoncvs which I have replaced with my username export CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/sources/gnubg co \ gnubg doesn't work? That's the way I do the daily snapshots. Your key is worthless, you are (not yet) member of the project. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Compile from Snapshot on ubuntu - assertion failed g_type_init
* Thomas A. Moulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070830 16:46]: It compiles fine... should I try an older snapshot? These are the steps I took to install it rm -rf gnubg tar xzf gnubg-source-SNAPSHOT-20070829.tar.gz cd gnubg ./autogen.sh ./configure --enable-sse --enable-threads --without-timecontrol --without-gdbm make sudo make install $ gnubg Language change failed (process:26820): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: gtype.c:2242: initialization assertion failed, use IA__g_type_init() prior to this function Where does gtype.c come from? I found a similar behaviour with OOffice at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/67596 Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] CVS RSH Access
* Thomas A. Moulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070830 21:15]: LOL it worked just fine! and in http://gnubg.org/index.php?itemid=26 it says: Software repository : export CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -z3 -d:ext:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/gnubg co gnubg which does Not work... just corrected, thx for the hint. At least you can see we are kind of a homgeneous organism. 3x nearly the same answer within ten minutes ;-). Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Re: Mail list
* Roger Wray [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070825 13:01]: I was given by Joren Thyssen. His message will follow, but first mine: YOu can subscribe at http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg. I forward this messages to the list, but to read answers you must subscribe. I downloaded and installed GNU Backgammon and there are no help files with it. The headers are present, but none of the references. Which version did you download? Your game has too many popup dialogs and it moves too fast. I had to unload the program because it was apparently created for What is too many? What do you mean by moves too fast? If you mean the checker play, you can configure it at Settings - Options - Display. programmers, not users. === And? Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Edit name bug ?
* Massimiliano Maini [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070822 12:53]: Hi all, GnuBG Win, code source 20070731, GUI version: start a match/session, enter edit mode and alter the names of both players. Exit edit mode, just one name is updated (leftmost). Confirmed on a linux system. Can you put it on https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?group=gnubg ? Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Double Decisions
* Peter Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070822 15:23]: I dont really have any precise data. It's more of a feeling. Obviously if gnu thinks it is in a losing position it wont offer a double. I guess what my main point was that once gnu offers, if you press hint, the hint will 75% of the time - based upon actual One of the weird things a neural net like gnubg is that these bots offer nearly perfect doubles. If you are offered a double and the bot didn't roll a marketloser before you can almost always be sure it's a close take, otherwise a pass. game playing - advise you to take the double. Then almost 100% of the time I'll lose, following the hints for every play. For example: gnu offers double hint says take, so I take gnu rolls and plays I roll and press hint and I have *usually* less then 20% chance of winning. I follow each hint for every roll and I end up losing. So again the real question is would gnu offer a double if it didn't think it was in a significantly better position to win. And if it is in a better position to win, which I have to believe it is, why would the hint offer to take? If you use hint all the time this is a good way to see how a certain position develops. This will help your understanding of the game. That was the good news. Now to the bad news: Better do a rollout and let the computer play both sides. If you really want meaningful numbers you need _at least_ 108 games (from the good old days where rollouts were performed on a real backgammon board), better 1296. So play a certain position 1296 times, record every result and then come back. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Featurerequest: next marked
* Christian Anthon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070729 10:20]: On 7/26/07, Achim Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again, yesterday I was talking with Oystein about some flagged rollouts. I have some ideas regarding a python script and doing batch rollouts in combination with next marked. Sounds like a good idea. Though you have to think of a method for choosing which candidate moves to rollout. See below, a user can mark all interesting positions he wants to rollout with !?. Some time ago we had !? ! and !! besides the questionmarks. Is ti possible to get them back into the code or - better - onyl the !? for interesting decision? Perhaps we should go all the way and allow the user to make custom marks. Is it also possible to extend the next marked command with the argument of the type of mark, like next marked !? Certainly. That's good. Then one can use either a pyhton script, where all next marked !? will be rolled out, or we think about implementing a batch rollout of certain marked moves. The latter would be easier to use for not so experienced windows user. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] bug: current binary freezes when opening a sgf file (not solved)
* Christian Anthon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070726 11:43]: Hi Achim, just revert the change I did to sgf.y in a recent commit. A bit of misguided code cleanup. done, committed, works ;-) ... but there is a much bigger problem regarding rollouts. More later, I'll check a few things first. ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] bug: no more rollouts
Hi again, the rollouts don't work anymore. When you start a rollout, no matter whether at command line or gui it finishes the rollouts at e.g. 0/648 or -1/648 (command line). With the sources from 09.07. it's still ok, so I assume there is something wrong in rollout.c. Christian? Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Featurerequest: next marked
Hi again, yesterday I was talking with Oystein about some flagged rollouts. I have some ideas regarding a python script and doing batch rollouts in combination with next marked. Some time ago we had !? ! and !! besides the questionmarks. Is ti possible to get them back into the code or - better - onyl the !? for interesting decision? Is it also possible to extend the next marked command with the argument of the type of mark, like next marked !? Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] bug: no more rollouts
* Christian Anthon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070726 14:09]: I know the source of both bugs. Achim's bug I can fix, but Max's bug my grifriend always says that I'm full of bugs ... she will be glad to hear that you can fix them. But honestly ... I'd like to get some detailed description about _how_ you fix it before you start working ;-). Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Featurerequest: command line rollout
A second one ;-) ... The command line rollout probably uses the hint command, not the analysis. Is it possible to change it? The advantage would be that rollouts are saveable directly within the sgf file then. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] bug: current binary freezes when opening a sgf file (solved)
* Achim Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070725 21:55]: Hi, again SuSE-10.1, todays snapshot, I also rebuilt sgfl.c. I can import matches analyse and save them as sgf files, but when I open a sgf file (old or made with this binary) the gzi freezes. Ok, after also re-making sgfp.c it works again. Does anyone understand what was going on here with the parsing? Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Rollout presets
* Massimiliano Maini [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070724 16:30]: hi, in the latest code there're the new A, B, ... E buttons allowing to quick-load rollout settings (stored in files a.rol, b.rol, etc). Where did you hide that code? I coudn't find anything in cvs, but maybe I'm blind today. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Re: Rollout presets
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070725 18:49]: Don't we know that truncated rollouts for cube decisions are susceptible to considerable evaluation systematic uncertainty? (I never trust a truncated rollout on a cube decision, but I'm pretty hardcore. :) By making that one of the default options does it build a false sense of security for the user who may not know this? Afaik this problem only occurs when you use odd truncation and even plies or vice versa (according to a statement by Daniel Murphy). I did a lot of truncated rollouts of positions and few of them also with 2ply full but didn't experience any substantial odds besides those where truncated _and_ full rollouts showed that 2ply eval was wrong. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] bug: current binary freezes when opening a sgf file
Hi, again SuSE-10.1, todays snapshot, I also rebuilt sgfl.c. I can import matches analyse and save them as sgf files, but when I open a sgf file (old or made with this binary) the gzi freezes. SSE supported and available. [New Thread -1237058656 (LWP 4827)] [Thread -1237058656 (LWP 4827) exited] [New Thread -1260594272 (LWP 4829)] (No game) load match /home/ace/Dateien/Backgammon/gnubg-ace_3p_2007-07-25.sgf bt Program received signal SIGTERM, Terminated.- killed window [Switching to Thread -1232918832 (LWP 4824)] 0xe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () (gdb) bt #0 0xe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0xb736977b in __read_nocancel () from /lib/libc.so.6 #2 0xb731aa98 in _IO_file_read_internal () from /lib/libc.so.6 #3 0xb731bd1b in _IO_new_file_underflow () from /lib/libc.so.6 #4 0xb731c45b in _IO_default_uflow_internal () from /lib/libc.so.6 #5 0xb731d78d in __uflow () from /lib/libc.so.6 #6 0xb73177db in getc () from /lib/libc.so.6 #7 0x080c08c4 in sgflex () at sgfl.c:1539 #8 0x080bf72a in sgfparse () at sgfp.c:1090 #9 0x080bfa31 in SGFParse (pf=0xc4f6588) at ./sgf.y:175 #10 0x080bb619 in LoadCollection (sz=value optimized out) at sgf.c:116 #11 0x080beb09 in CommandLoadMatch (sz=0xc4f41bb /home/ace/Dateien/Backgammon/gnubg-ace_3p_2007-07-25.sgf) at sgf.c:1552 #12 0x0807d693 in HandleCommand (sz=0xc4f41bb /home/ace/Dateien/Backgammon/gnubg-ace_3p_2007-07-25.sgf, ac=0x82b0fc0) at gnubg.c:2681 #13 0x0807d7ce in HandleCommand (sz=0xc4f41b5 match, ac=0x82b38c0) at gnubg.c:2685 #14 0x0807e8ea in ProcessInput (sz=0xbfb23cf0 load match \/home/ace/Dateien/Backgammon/gnubg-ace_3p_2007-07-25.sgf\) at gnubg.c:5275 #15 0x0807fed2 in UserCommand (szCommand=0xc4f6328 load match \/home/ace/Dateien/Backgammon/gnubg-ace_3p_2007-07-25.sgf\) at gnubg.c:5331 #16 0x0813370d in GTKOpen (p=0xc06c210, n=0, pw=0xb76ed8bb) at gtkfile.c:374 #17 0xb76fb0b9 in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #18 0xb76edc0b in g_closure_invoke () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #19 0xb76fed3d in g_signal_override_class_closure () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #20 0xb7700247 in g_signal_emit_valist () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #21 0xb7700415 in g_signal_emit () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #22 0xb78f7623 in gtk_button_clicked () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #23 0xb78f8efe in gtk_button_set_alignment () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #24 0xb76fb0b9 in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #25 0xb76ec407 in g_value_set_static_boxed () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #26 0xb76edc0b in g_closure_invoke () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #27 0xb76ff1ca in g_signal_override_class_closure () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #28 0xb7700247 in g_signal_emit_valist () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #29 0xb7700415 in g_signal_emit () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #30 0xb78f76b3 in gtk_button_released () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #31 0xb78f7711 in gtk_button_released () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #32 0xb79c7bde in gtk_marshal_BOOLEAN__VOID () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #33 0xb76ec407 in g_value_set_static_boxed () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #34 0xb76edc0b in g_closure_invoke () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #35 0xb76ff383 in g_signal_override_class_closure () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #36 0xb77f in g_signal_emit_valist () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #37 0xb7700415 in g_signal_emit () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #38 0xb7ab2908 in gtk_widget_get_default_style () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #39 0xb79c15f3 in gtk_propagate_event () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #40 0xb79c2847 in gtk_main_do_event () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #41 0xb784758a in gdk_add_client_message_filter () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 #42 0xb7678de2 in g_main_context_dispatch () from /opt/gnome/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #43 0xb767be1f in g_main_context_prepare () from /opt/gnome/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #44 0xb767c1c9 in g_main_loop_run () from /opt/gnome/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #45 0xb79c2cc4 in gtk_main () from /opt/gnome/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #46 0x081319ac in RunGTK (pwSplash=0xc0b9648, commands=0x0, python_script=0x0, match=0x0) at gtkgame.c:2212 #47 0x0807fd3f in main (argc=1, argv=0xbfb261d4) at gnubg.c:6445 (gdb) At the command line I'm able to use ctrl-d for stopping,the gui has to be killed. (No game) load match Dateien/Backgammon/gnubg-ace_3p_2007-07-25.sgf - ctrl-d Dateien/Backgammon/gnubg-ace_3p_2007-07-25.sgf: warning: no backgammon games in SGF file (No game) Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] bug: current binary freezes when opening a sgf file
Addendum: same on a SuSE-10.2 ... Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Rollout presets
* Massimiliano Maini [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070724 16:30]: I saved quick: set rollout truncation plies 12 set rollout trials 324 set rollout jsd minimumgames 216 set rollout jsd limit 1.9600 set rollout player 0 chequerplay plies 0 set rollout player 0 cubedecision plies 0 quick-cube-2ply: set rollout truncation plies 12 set rollout trials 648 set rollout jsd minimumgames 216 set rollout jsd limit 1.9600 set rollout player 0 chequerplay plies 0 set rollout player 1 cubedecision plies 2 quick-2ply: set rollout truncation plies 12 set rollout trials 324 set rollout jsd minimumgames 108 set rollout jsd limit 1.9600 set rollout player 0 chequerplay plies 2 set rollout player 0 cubedecision plies 2 cube-2ply: same as quick-cube-2ply but without jsd and truncation full-2ply: set rollout truncation enable off set rollout trials 324 (or more) set rollout jsd move off set rollout player 0 chequerplay plies 2 set rollout player 0 cubedecision plies 2 Pruning for all 2ply (default) Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] MonteCarlo 2007
* Massimiliano Maini [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070716 18:09]: Anyway, at least one of the minor gnubg contributors (me) went till the end and won (with 2 friends) the team event on sunday, in a 70+ lineup of teams (3 5pt matches played at same time by the 3 members of each team) with all the big (and small) players (the tournament was for free, with 1500E and 3 watches for the winning team and, most of all, it's very funny to play team). Congrats! A shame that we didn't met at sunday. We lost in the round of last 16 (our team was called a lot of cheese with sauerkraut (two Dutch and one German plyaer) ... More for the pride than for the prize, but still ... my friends are speculating we may call ourselves the Backgammon World Champion Team 2007 ... I'm not sure (5pt matches ?), but ... The main torunament itself is also no official world championship but organized by a private person. So ... congrats again ;-). Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] MonteCarlo
* Massimiliano Maini [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070710 12:52]: Hi, if anybody is going to MonteCarlo, I should be there (at least sat and sun), nice occasion to meet. Let me know who's going, I'll try to catch you (easy if you're still playing on sunday :)) I'm there but lost my 1st round match against Norbert Wiebusch. Error rate 2.5, so just bad luck. www.acepoint.de/index.php?id=117. I'm going to St.Paul du vence today, to the dinner tonight. Can we meet tomorrow? I play 1st consolation at around 4pm. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] MonteCarlo
* Massimiliano Maini [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070711 11:26]: I'm there but lost my 1st round match against Norbert Wiebusch. Error rate 2.5, so just bad luck. www.acepoint.de/index.php?id=117. I'm going to St.Paul du vence today, to the dinner tonight. Can we meet tomorrow? I play 1st consolation at around 4pm. Hi Achim, 2.5 ... pretty good ... is it the gnubg error rate or the snowie one : I think the only days I'll be in MonteCarlo will be Saturday and Sunday :( Do you play under your full name or under a nickname ? I'll try to catch you on the boards. Full name. Either search for me then or ask the tournament directors. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Error message at startup
Forwarding this to the list ... * Yasaman Darbedar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070709 23:58]: bug: (Hi pals. I hear some cool things about all your stuff and gonna thank you if I get to use the program.) My OS is MS Windows XP SP2. I've downloaded gnubg-0.15-stable-20061119-setup file and installed the software successfully. But when trying to start the program, just when the window with the bull titled Starting GNU Backgammon 0.16-mingw comes up, and there is a rendering board at the bottom of the window, I get a silly error message. it says: (message title: gnubg.exe: gnubg.exe - Application Error) The instruction at 0x0bcb9d10 refereced memory at 0x0bcb9d10. The memory could not be written. Click on OK to terminate the program Click on CANCEL to debug the program Could you give me a clue what the hell is going on in here? - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Results from the bot shootout
* Øystein Johansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070705 09:23]: Achim Mueller wrote: From GammonU: BGBJellyfish Snowie 4.5 GnuBG 0.14 BGB -534504 481 Jellyfish466- 428 407 Snowie 4.5 496 572 - 489 GnuBG 0.14 519 593511 - It's 25 point matches, isn't it? It looks like GNU Backgammon beats them all. Is that the right interpretation? This was about the result I would expect in a match series. The point is that the positions where GNU Backgammon outperforms Snowie is more frequent than the positions where Snowie outperforms GNU Backgammon. Would anyone estimate the standard deviation of these numbers? If sqrt(a*b/1000) is correct than it's: std.err sigma confidence gnubg/bgb= 15.79 2.28 == 98,8% gnubg/snowie = 15.81 1.39 == 91,8% gnubg/jelly = 15.5311.98 == 100,0% (well, nearly) snowie/bgb = 15.81 0.51 == 69,5% snowie/jelly = 15.64 9.21 == 100,0% bgb/jelly= 15.77 4.31 == 100,0% So we can be quite sure that jellyfish will be beat by all other bots, we can be quite confident that gnubg is better than bgb, we can be a little confident that gnubg is better than snowie. Am I right ith these numbers? Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Results from the bot shootout
* Joseph Heled [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070705 11:14]: With gnubg/Jelly we have p = .593 (estimated win percentage) and N = 1000. The 95% confidence interval is [.562,.623], so we can be sure gnubg is better. gnubg/bgb p=.519 and the interval is [.487,.55] so you can't say gnubg is better than any of the others. I understand your calculation, but what is wrong with mine? I took the binominal distribution and my numbers seem to be correct, aren't they? sqrt(519*481/1000) = sqrt(249,639) = 15.799 actual result(+38)/sigma(15.799) = 2.4 (oops, in my first calculation I took +36, damn). 2.4 --- 99.18% confidence that the same set of 1000 25p matches will produce a win for gnubg. Ok, I miscalculated it, but this is even more in favour of gnubg. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Results from the bot shootout
* Joseph Heled [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070705 12:41]: Even if gnubg wins a match only 49.5%, in a set of 1000 matches there is more than 5% chance that gnubg wins 519 of them. that what 95% (one sided) confidence interval means. I guess I got it now. I probably was mislead by an article of Chuck Bower in GOL were he described std.err as sqrt(a*b/1000) and sigma as (a-b)/std.err (which is probably wrong). I just had a chat with Douglas Zare. He says that sigma should be 0.5(a-b)/std.error. In other words, don't take the difference between both bots, but between a bot and the mean (which is 500 here). If that's correct - I'm not sure and a bit puzzled now - we get the following numbers: gnu/jelly 5.88100.0% gnu/snowie 0.69 51.0% gnu/bgb 1.20 77.0% bgb/jelly 2.15 96.8% bgb/snowie 0.25 19.7% snowie/jelly4.56100.0% This definitely makes more sense. Sorry for the confusion. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Results from the bot shootout
* Joseph Heled [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070705 14:25]: Standard error may be informative, but statistical importance matters more to me. I think it is clear you tell gnubg is better than Jelly from those number, but nothing more. Well, I wrote a lot of nonsense today (my statistic lessons are 20 years ago), but what about this conclusion: gnubg 1623 over all wins bgblitz 1519 overall wins j.s.d = sqrt(27.3+27.3 + 27.38*27.38) ~ 54.6 (1623 - 1519)/54.6 ~ 1.90 1.90 -- 97.1% confidence that in the overall competition (1 bot against three bots) gnubg is better than bgblitz. That's one way we compare the reliability of move rankings, so it should be right here also, shoudn't it? Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Results from the bot shootout
* Joseph Heled [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070705 23:51]: I am not sure what you try to show here, but if we can't show that gnubg is individually better than bgb or sn, the likelihood it is better than both is still harder to show Then in other words: you talk about the likelihood of _one_ bot being better or not in a direct competition to another bot (a match or a set of matches between two certain bots). This is like a tennis match between two players. I talk about the likelihood of a bot being better compared to another bot in a contest, where both bots play each other _and_ two other bots. This is like a football league. I want to know, whether Bayern Munich is signifant better than Werder Bremen in case Bayern has scored 72 out of 102 points and Werder has scored only 59 in the same amount of 34 games. No matter how the direct matches were Bayern - Bremen 6:0; 6:0 or 0:6; 2-1 or whatever. Even if two teams play 1:1 and 2:2 within a season it might be that one team scores _significant_ more points than the other and also receives the title and the cup. Same occurs in this bot shootout. Gnubg scored 1623, bgblitz 1519. The direct set of 1000 matches has no statistical meaning. The difference of 104 point might have. Do you see the point now? Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Fwd: Re: [Bug-gnubg] Installation problem - 0.16 instead the wanted 0.15]
* Hardy Hübener [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070704 07:47]: Thanks Christian, my main confusion is, that I did a absolutly NEW, FRESH installation of GNUBG (supposed to be 0.15): Deleted the older versions before, installed the file gnubg-0.15-stable-20061119-setup.exe, which I got from the download section of the GNUBG website, from the link that was pointing to the 0.15 stable version. And the programm that is running after that installation is version 0.16!!??!!?? So your downgrade hints don't help me much :-( The download archive for the 0.15 version (on the windows download site) seems to contain 0.16 elements! Are you sure about this? How big is the binary? And do you see MT support when you open Settings - options -other? Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Default met
* Achim Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070704 08:15]: Frank Berger made an announcement at gammonu and bgonline.org that someone made a simulation of 1000 25p matches with gnubg, snowie bgblitz and jellyfish. Results will be published today. I'm not sure whether he described correctly, how the gnubg setup setup was, but it might be that gnubg has used zadeh met as default. For this is the worst met of all - I estimated at least 2% worse than snowie met - my suggestion is to use either g11 or mec26 as default met. Is it enough to change this line in matchequity.c? pmd-mi.szFileName = BAD_CAST strdup ( met/zadeh.xml ); Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Default met
* Joseph Heled [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070704 08:57]: On 7/4/07, Achim Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Berger made an announcement at gammonu and bgonline.org that someone made a simulation of 1000 25p matches with gnubg, snowie bgblitz and jellyfish. Results will be published today. I'm not sure whether he described correctly, how the gnubg setup setup was, but it might be that gnubg has used zadeh met as default. For this is the worst met of all - I estimated at least 2% worse than snowie met - my suggestion is to use either g11 or mec26 as default met. While I totally agree the default should be at least mec26, It is hard to believe 2%. where did you get this figure? I made a long simulation of snowie.met vs woolsey met 10,000 5p matches, it was 51.7% - 48.3%. A smaller simulation of snowie.met vs. zadeh.met (1,000 matches) showed 52.4% - 47.6%. I agree that this sample isn't big enough, but it was big enough for not trusting zadeh.met anymore. Didn't you also make a _very_ long simulation comparing mets? Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Default met
* Christian Anthon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070704 09:10]: On 7/4/07, Achim Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Achim Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070704 08:15]: Is it enough to change this line in matchequity.c? pmd-mi.szFileName = BAD_CAST strdup ( met/zadeh.xml ); The default is set in gnubg.c somewhere. I changed it to g11 at some point, but I cannot remember if it was done for 0.15 as well and if somebody has the zadeh saved in their gnubgautorc that takes priority. Christian. In gnubg.c it's: fprintf( pf, set matchequitytable \%s\\n, miCurrent.szFileName ); so it should be changed in matchequity.c, shoudn't it? Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Re: MT/SMP bug disappeared??!
* Jonathan Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070704 10:11]: Are you running this on linux or windows? Linux (SuSE-10.1). Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Default met
* Joseph Heled [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070704 09:59]: On 7/4/07, Achim Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't you also make a _very_ long simulation comparing mets? Yes, but I played each set of dice rolls twice, identical rolls but swapped. This handles the variance better, and I could not find a large difference if I recall correctly. I made a printout of doubling windows for the different equity tables. Just a few examples: Snowie Zadeh n3 - n2 (1) 57,7 - 73,0 55,3 - 71,7 n3 - n4 (1) 37,8 - 62,5 41,5 - 65,9 !! n4 - n2 (1) 65,8 - 81,2 63,3 - 79,4 !! n4 - n4 (1) 50,0 - 72,0 50,0 - 70,9 n4 - n4 (2) 50,0 - 66,4 50,0 - 67,7 The results of gnubg matches against itself with different mets must somehow reflect these differences. I'll check whether I can do a longer simulation of gnubg(g11) - gnubg(zadeh) here at work. Do you still have the framework of your rollouts? Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Results from the bot shootout
From GammonU: BGBJellyfish Snowie 4.5 GnuBG 0.14 BGB -534504 481 Jellyfish466- 428 407 Snowie 4.5 496 572 - 489 GnuBG 0.14 519 593511 - According to Frank Berger the matches were setup bei Torsten Schoop. I don't know any details about the settings. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] equity graph
* Thomas Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070701 19:01]: Is it possible to plot the moves vs the equity value? Following the post at http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnubg/2007-05/msg00067.html this is not possible, right? I know this from chess GUIs and it's really interesting and helpful. I'd love to see this and a pip-graph as proposed several years ago as well (http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnubg/2004-07/msg00069.html). Just my feature request of this wonderful piece of software! :) I think this should be possible with a little bit of python scripting and gnuplot. Oystein and me planned to do some scritping after I return from Monte Carlo. Let's see. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] new windows build
Hi Oystein, can you please make a new windows build before I go to Monte Carlo. I planned to burn a DVD including the newest stuff in case people will ask. Ciao Achim -- achim mueller, anne-frank-str. 25, D-48431 rheine +49 (0)5971 83767, +49 (0)163 8458340 - pgp/gnupg key: 1024D/5DF3A722 (wwwkeys.de.pgp.net) ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] new windows build
* Massimiliano Maini [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070703 13:53]: Hi Oystein, can you please make a new windows build before I go to Monte Carlo. I planned to burn a DVD including the newest stuff in case people will ask. Hi Achim, I've built a new distrib, it's available on www.gnubg.org. Great, thx. Code snapshot is latest available (20070703). Multi-thread exes are also available to download (at least 1 important bug in them, Yep, after all I discovered it ;-). I'll probably write a README and put on DVD. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Gtk-Critical
Hi folks, sometimes I get this error message at the command line: Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_progress_set_percentage: assertion `percentage = 0 percentage = 1.0' failed After that gnubg very often is unusable and has to be killed manually. It mostly happens during or after a n analysis/rollout. Latest snapshot, SuSE-Linux 10.1/10.2 Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] MT/SMP bug disappeared??!
Hi folks, weird things are going on. I made a few tests with a certain position regarding the MT bug (standard error no/double). I played a moneygame (attached, it's not that bad ;-) ) and made the following rollouts at the redouble/take position: Current snapshot, all rollouts 2-ply, cube 2ply, 108 games, untruncated, dice Mersenne Twister, seed 1, I restarted gnubg after each rollout! 1) Twice at the take with one processor 2) Twice at the take with two processors 3) Twice at the double with one processor 4) Twice at the double with two processors Here are the numbers: nd std.err takestd.error 1a +0.569 0.013 +0.6540.033 1b exactly the same results (what I expected) 2a +0.569 0.046 +0.6540.033 2b +0.569 0.045 +0.6540.033 3a exactly the same as 1a and 1b 3b exactly the same as 1a and 1b 4a +0.569 0.048 +0.6540.033 4b +0.569 0.046 +0.6540.033 Question 1: The std.error is not shown as big as it was when I first noticed it, but it's still a little bit higher than with using only one processor. Why? Question 2: It differs! Why? I expected the same numbers because of the same seed. Assumption 1: The rollout results themselves seem to be reliable (well, somehow), but I'll crosscheck this with other positions also. Assumption 2: Richard Stallman did issue the blessing on gnubg after we shifted to GPLv3 ;-). If someone wants to debug this, I have saved all rollouts and results. Ciao Achim PS. The behaviour, that gnubg with 2 threads somehow freezes (without error message at the command line) when stopping a rollout in between still remains. ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] And here is the game
As usual ... ;-) The score (after 0 games) is: gnubg 0, ace 0 Match Information: Date: July 03, 2007 Move number 36: O doubles to 4 GNU Backgammon Position ID: e7cBCAJzczaAAA Match ID : ARkA +-1--2--3--4--5--6---7--8--9-10-11-12-+ O: gnubg | O O O X O | |O O X | 0 points | O O O O | |O O | | OO | | | | | | | | | | | | |BAR| |^ | | | | |X | | | |X X | | | | X X X X X| | | Cube offered at 4 | X X X X X| | O| 0 points +24-23-22-21-20-19--18-17-16-15-14-13-+ X: ace Pip counts: O 89, X 72 * ace accepts (;FF[4]GM[6]CA[UTF-8]AP[GNU Backgammon:0.16-devel]MI[length:0][game:0][ws:0][bs:0]PW[gnubg]PB[ace]DT[2007-07-03]RU[Jacoby]RE[W+4]GS[M:0 0 31 30 0 0 0 0 0 0 26 24 5 6 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00][C:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00][D:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00] ;W[54mhxt] ;B[44lplpptpt] ;W[63yvvp] ;B[23suux] ;W[65] ;B[double] ;W[take] ;B[66lrqwqwrx] ;W[25] ;B[56aggl] ;W[43yupm] ;B[52lqsu] ;W[44yumimimi] ;B[56yeek] ;W[63icfc] ;B[41qukl] ;W[12] ;B[64agqu] ;W[45] ;B[43gkkn] ;W[15] ;B[63ntlo] ;W[63yvic] ;B[35svlq] ;W[34yvmi] ;B[65yeqw] ;W[41vrml] ;B[56yeou] ;W[24fdhd] ;B[21tvuv] ;W[25cafa] ;B[34svsw] ;W[65lfhc] ;B[23eggj] ;W[double] ;B[take] ;W[54idie] ;B[33] ;W[12ferp] ;B[66] ;W[15pooj] ;B[63] ;W[31hehg] ;B[52yb] ;W[23dbeb] ;B[36] ;W[23jhhe] ;B[12] ;W[23gecz] ;B[26] ;W[33fcfcczcz] ;B[65yf] ;W[41eaed] ;B[65yffk] ;W[54ezdz] ;B[55fkkpkppu] ;W[43dzcz] ;B[14ptxz] ;W[52ezbz] ;B[52tzwz] ;W[26bzdz] ;B[35vztz] ;W[54czaz] ;B[36vztz] ;W[11azaz]) (;FF[4]GM[6]CA[UTF-8]AP[GNU Backgammon:0.16-devel]MI[length:0][game:1][ws:4][bs:0]PW[gnubg]PB[ace]RU[Jacoby]GS[M:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00][C:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00][D:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00] ;PL[B]DI[24]) ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
