[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 at 09:33, Stefan Skoglund  wrote:
>
> Liam, TriPOS ?
>
> If i'm not wrong it was a OS developed in Cambridge (Cambridgeshire).
>
> Did someone port it to other arch than ARM ?

I am mystified.

This appeared in a thread about the VCF SoCal and apropos of nothing
with no quote.

Have I said anything about Tripos anywhere?


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[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Will Cooke via cctalk]

> On 02/21/2024 5:01 AM CST Tony Duell via cctalk  wrote:

> >
> > Did someone port it to other arch than ARM ?
> The oldest version I know of ran on PDP11s. I am pretty sure there was
> a 68000 version at one point too.
>
> -tony

Wasn't the Amiga OS built on Tripos?

Will

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[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Tony Duell via cctalk]

On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 9:39 AM Stefan Skoglund via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> Liam, TriPOS ?
>
> If i'm not wrong it was a OS developed in Cambridge (Cambridgeshire).

It was. The name came from the fact that a course at Cambridge
University is called a Tripos. Originally written by Martin Richards
(as in BCPL)

>
> Did someone port it to other arch than ARM ?

The oldest version I know of ran on PDP11s. I am pretty sure there was
a 68000 version at one point too.

-tony

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Stefan Skoglund via cctalk]

Liam, TriPOS ?

If i'm not wrong it was a OS developed in Cambridge (Cambridgeshire).

Did someone port it to other arch than ARM ? 

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[ShowRunner--- via cctalk]

Thanks Sellam.

Tickets can be purchased at the door. I’m sorry they’re having trouble. We’ve 
got a constant stream of ticket purchases coming through. Perhaps try another 
browser or on their mobile?

Micki

> On Feb 16, 2024, at 2:26 PM, Sellam Abraham  wrote:
> 
> Hi Micki.
> 
> I'm passing along this message from Ali. Can you please help him?
> 
> I checked the website and verified that there is no obvious way to contact 
> anyone in the organization for regular communication. Forgive me if I 
> overlooked something.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Sellam
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 1:25 PM Ali via cctalk  > wrote:
>> > > One last question:
>> > >
>> > > Do kids get in free? If so what is the age cutoff? It looks like
>> > > tickets are needed for everyone but figure I would check just in
>> > case.
>> > >
>> > 
>> > Never mind... Important to read all the WAY to the END. LOL. Kids 12
>> > and under are free!
>> 
>> 
>> Anybody successfully buy tickets? I tried and I get an error that check out 
>> isn't working and to contact them. Of course like all good sites they 
>> provide absolutely no way to contact them. If anyone has contact info that 
>> would be great or if anyone knows that tickets can be purchased at the door? 
>> Otherwise hard pass here. No way I am driving to the OC, in possible SoCal 
>> rain traffic, without something a bit more solid
>> 
>> -Ali
>> 

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Sellam Abraham via cctalk]

Hi Micki.

I'm passing along this message from Ali. Can you please help him?

I checked the website and verified that there is no obvious way to contact
anyone in the organization for regular communication. Forgive me if I
overlooked something.

Thank you.

Sellam


On Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 1:25 PM Ali via cctalk  wrote:

> > > One last question:
> > >
> > > Do kids get in free? If so what is the age cutoff? It looks like
> > > tickets are needed for everyone but figure I would check just in
> > case.
> > >
> >
> > Never mind... Important to read all the WAY to the END. LOL. Kids 12
> > and under are free!
>
>
> Anybody successfully buy tickets? I tried and I get an error that check
> out isn't working and to contact them. Of course like all good sites they
> provide absolutely no way to contact them. If anyone has contact info that
> would be great or if anyone knows that tickets can be purchased at the
> door? Otherwise hard pass here. No way I am driving to the OC, in possible
> SoCal rain traffic, without something a bit more solid
>
> -Ali
>
>

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Ali via cctalk]

> > One last question:
> >
> > Do kids get in free? If so what is the age cutoff? It looks like
> > tickets are needed for everyone but figure I would check just in
> case.
> >
> 
> Never mind... Important to read all the WAY to the END. LOL. Kids 12
> and under are free!


Anybody successfully buy tickets? I tried and I get an error that check out 
isn't working and to contact them. Of course like all good sites they provide 
absolutely no way to contact them. If anyone has contact info that would be 
great or if anyone knows that tickets can be purchased at the door? Otherwise 
hard pass here. No way I am driving to the OC, in possible SoCal rain traffic, 
without something a bit more solid

-Ali

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Ali via cctalk]

> One last question:
> 
> Do kids get in free? If so what is the age cutoff? It looks like
> tickets are needed for everyone but figure I would check just in case.
> 

Never mind... Important to read all the WAY to the END. LOL. Kids 12 and under 
are free!

-Ali

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Ali via cctalk]

One last question:

Do kids get in free? If so what is the age cutoff? It looks like tickets are 
needed for everyone but figure I would check just in case.

-Ali

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Ali via cctalk]

>
> This VCF SoCal announcement just came into my mailbox this morning so
> I'm
> passing it along.
>

Great! Thanks for the info!

-Ali

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Sellam Abraham via cctalk]

On Thu, Feb 15, 2024, 8:56 AM Ali via cctalk  wrote:

>
> I have looked at the website for the event and I am still not sure if
> there will be consignment/sales area. Can anyone verify if there is going
> to be one or not? Thanks!
>
> -Ali
>

This VCF SoCal announcement just came into my mailbox this morning so I'm
passing it along.


It's the final countdown!

We are putting on the final touches and getting ready to kick off the
inaugural show.

EXHIBITORS & VENDORS

The exhibit hall is full with 48 different Exhibitors & Vendors! Check
the Exhibitors
& Vendors

page to see the full list and Exhibit Hall Map.



SPEAKERS

We are delighted to announce that Joe Decuir, legendary Atari engineer, has
joined as a presenter, speaking with Thomas Cherryhomes on Atari OS and the
foundation of FujiNet. All presentations are listed on the website
.
Check the list and mark your schedule!



CONSIGNMENT

Consignment details are up for shopping & selling! Sellers can pre-list
their items for sale using the Consignment Form

.

Consignment shopping hours are:

   -

   Saturday 10am-6pm
   -

   Sunday 10am-5pm



MEET-UPS

We've added Meet-Ups

to the agenda! Meet with fellow enthusiasts in the Grand Foyer (opposite
the Registration Table) at one of our Meet-Ups - a mini-festival inside
Vintage Computer Festival SoCal. These are informal gatherings where you
can meet folks with a common interest or background, share stories and
exchange info.



VCF SOCAL SWAG

The official, inaugural VCF SoCal T-shirts arrived and they are RAD! Shirts
will be on sale during the show, along with VCF SoCal logo Ball Caps,
Stickers and fun 2-in-1 Screwdrivers that fit nicely into your trusty
pocket protector.



FREE TABLE

Been holding onto some old retro tech because "someone can use this!"?
That's what the Free Table in the Grand Foyer is for. Bring some goodies
along to leave on the Free Table. Check the table for that elusive
component you've been searching for. PRO TIP: Check the Free Table
throughout the show as it's always changing!



TICKETS

Thank You to those who have bought tickets already. If you haven't gotten
tickets, now's the time! We have a variety of ticket options

for sale. The Vintage Fan Weekend Bundle is a fan favorite and Will Not be
available once the show starts. It includes a Weekend Pass, the 2024 VCF
SoCal T-shirt, an Exclusive Vintage Fan Badge and a cool VCF SoCal sticker.



See you this weekend!



Micki & Steve Diederich



VCF SoCal

vcfsocal.com

#vcfsocal



>

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Ali via cctalk]

> I am certainly with you on that, Marvin.  I have exhibited at 8 or 9
> VCFs (my first was VCF 3) and was on the mailing list as recently as
> August 2023 (but apparently no more) and only happened to see the event
> being discussed in this forum.  Thanks to Wayne Sudol for posting the
> information.  Odd that a VCF finally comes to my home turf and this is
> the one I only find out about two weeks in advance!


I have looked at the website for the event and I am still not sure if there 
will be consignment/sales area. Can anyone verify if there is going to be one 
or not? Thanks!

-Ali

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal Saturday

[Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk]

jos wrote:
>> I don't recall emulators for the early Datapoints.-
> There now  is a Datapoint 2200 emulator
> Be aware that it does not show the true Datapoint fonts.

There is also an emulator for the 3300, with a font from an
imaged ROM.  It's in here: https://github.com/aap/vt05/

(The 3300 is older than the 2200, and doesn't have a processor.)

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal Saturday

[jos via cctalk]

- I guess while I'm at it, I've also been seeking for a working Datapoint
2200 (or equivalent variant, any 1974 or earlier) or Wang 2200.  Even just
seeing either of those in working condition would be neat (working in terms
of still booting to BASIC).   I was surprised I didn't see one at VCF in
Dallas last year (but they did have a HP9830 and Tek4051, those were neat
to see and still working)..  The Wang systems have some decent emulators,
but I don't recall emulators for the early Datapoints.-

There now  is a Datapoint 2200 emulator, see https://github.com/MattisLind/DP2200 

Mattis is trying to add DP5500 support.

Be aware that it does not show the true Datapoint fonts.

Jos

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Smith, Wayne via cctalk]

I am certainly with you on that, Marvin.  I have exhibited at 8 or 9 VCFs (my 
first was VCF 3) and was on the mailing list as recently as August 2023 (but 
apparently no more) and only happened to see the event being discussed in this 
forum.  Thanks to Wayne Sudol for posting the information.  Odd that a VCF 
finally comes to my home turf and this is the one I only find out about two 
weeks in advance!

-Original Message-

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 11:54:03 -0800
From: Marvin Johnston 
Subject: [cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
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Note to those people too lazy to update their subject line... it is REALLY 
getting tiresome looking for information about the SoCal VCF and finding not 
one post giving any information about it let alone the multitude of posts 
seemingly with the subject line "VCF SoCal"!!! 
Sheesh!!! Kind of makes search totally (almost) useless.

I'm still not sure of the date(s) or location except that it is in February 
somewhere in southern Orange County, CA USA.

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 at 21:01, Marvin Johnston via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> Note to those people too lazy to update their subject line...

Oh come on, you can't say that and not quote properly.

For just me, I intentionally don't do it. For better or worse, Gmail
is the best webmail I know if, it does plain text and bottom posting,
and it works across my 5 ot 6 laptops, 3 phones and a desktop
perfectly.

But it hates subject line changes and it destroys its threading. So I
never, ever do it if I can avoid it. It is not laziness, like bad
quoting. It's 100% intentional.

As for info... Didn't you just try Google?

vcf south california

1st hit:

https://www.vcfsocal.com/

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[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Sellam Abraham via cctalk]

On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 10:26 AM Liam Proven via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 19:05, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
>  wrote:
>
> > Probably because Americans in Futtbuck, Idaho never heard of any British
> > computers but Brits certainly knew about American computers, eh wot?
>
> Oh, yes, naturally!
>
> It is something of a national characteristic, though.
>
> I had someone very seriously questioning me, over on Fesse Bouc, if I
> was serious when I said that the ZX Spectrum could remotely be
> considered a more significant machine than (one model of) TRS-80, and
> he was incredulous when I absolutely maintained the point.
>
> Only after the fall of Communism did we Sinclair fans discover that
> there was an entire international market in clones and compatibles of
> the little Spectrum.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ZX_Spectrum_clones
>
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I agree, based on the very point you are making: the impact, influence and
reach of the ZX Spectrum was by far greater than that of the TRS-80.

Sellam

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Ethan O'Toole via cctalk]

I had someone very seriously questioning me, over on Fesse Bouc, if I
was serious when I said that the ZX Spectrum could remotely be
considered a more significant machine than (one model of) TRS-80, and
he was incredulous when I absolutely maintained the point.


We had the Timex version of the Spectrum in the USA, but it wasn't much of 
a machine. That probably ruined it so we never got the 2+ or 3+.


Virginia USA reporting in, and so far I have the Spectrum 2+ (boxed) and 
3+. They are cool machines but I think the Atari and Commodore beat it 
sound wise. But I *REALLY* dig the fact that you had cassette distribution 
of software at what looks like pretty low prices? That is really cool. I 
imagine game tapes in supermarket checkout lines everywhere.


Remember when these machines were on the market in the 80s everyone relied 
on magazines for information, and those magazines relied on advertising 
dollars. No WWW. So it's not a big wonder that that Americans didn't know 
about these machines since marketing money wasn't spent here.


Thanks to another cclist member I have purchased an A4000 Acorn via 
facebook marketplace, and am excited to finally get my first Archimedes 
machine. Hope the repairs needed aren't too bad! After that will be a BBC 
micro but really the A4000 seems like a killer machine.


At some point I might try to find an A3010 as well, but the 4000 checks 
the boxes for me.


It's pretty hard buying machines from over there, local collection only!



- Ethan O'Toole

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 19:15, mark audacity romberg via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> BBC BASIC is the best BASIC there ever was, and I feel sad for those who have 
> never used it to see how powerful BASIC can be with proper structured 
> programming. It’s honestly like a different language.

Strongly concur.

I mean, QuickBASIC 4 was a good implementation, but it's on its way to
becoming a different language.

Whereas BBC BASIC ran from a 32kB 6502 machine up to
multi-gigahertz-class Arms in gigs of RAM today, as well as on DOS,
Windows, CP/M, Linux, macOS, and lots of other platforms.

https://bbcbasic.com/


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[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 19:05, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
 wrote:

> Probably because Americans in Futtbuck, Idaho never heard of any British
> computers but Brits certainly knew about American computers, eh wot?

Oh, yes, naturally!

It is something of a national characteristic, though.

I had someone very seriously questioning me, over on Fesse Bouc, if I
was serious when I said that the ZX Spectrum could remotely be
considered a more significant machine than (one model of) TRS-80, and
he was incredulous when I absolutely maintained the point.

Only after the fall of Communism did we Sinclair fans discover that
there was an entire international market in clones and compatibles of
the little Spectrum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ZX_Spectrum_clones


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[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 18:35, Henry Bent via cctalk
 wrote:

To answer a different part of the question that I missed first time around:

> As an American it's true that the vast majority of my vintage computer
> experience is completely americentric, but I'm aware that Acorn had a
> significant presence in the overseas market and that RiscOS is viewed
> fondly.  Perhaps it's time for me to find an emulator and experience the
> system for myself.

It natively runs on the Raspberry Pi and a 10 year old R Pi 1 will be
fine, and will probably cost nothing nowadays. It's resolutely
single-core anyway.

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[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 18:52, Ali via cctalk  wrote:
>
> That would be very interesting. I always thought Apricot made some beasts and 
> remeber the cover of Byte for the first 486 system being an Apricot VX. I 
> would love to see that machine in person.

I put one of those in.

First and only SCO *UNIX* (as opposed to SCO Xenix) box I ever installed.

But before we turned it into a server, we put DOS and Doom on it, very
briefly. The built in UPS could power a VGA monitor and we had a bit
of fun pushing each other along a corridor, one pushing the AVX/FT and
one a wheelie chair, while running Doom on a PC that wasn't connected
to mains power. The world's biggest "laptop".

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[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 18:35, Henry Bent via cctalk
 wrote:

> Surely by this definition UNIX would take the crown?  The "core of the OS"
> dates from 1969 and modern derivatives are everywhere.

Good point, but the OS I was referring to is RISC OS, *the* original
ARM OS and it has only ever run on ARM and nothing else.

Nobody is making PDP-7s any more, are they? :-)

I think the first C-based Unix was 4th edition. Are there any new PDP-11s?

If that makes my point any clearer?

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[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 19:40, Wouter de Waal via cctalk
 wrote:

> Computers are much like motorcycles: many of the most interesting
> ones were TERRIBLE!

Oh, very good. I may quote that. :-D

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[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[The Doctor via cctalk]

On Wednesday, January 31st, 2024 at 10:04, Sellam Abraham via cctalk 
 wrote:

> Probably because Americans in Futtbuck, Idaho never heard of any British
> computers but Brits certainly knew about American computers, eh wot?

The only place many of us might (might) have heard of them was in the
backs of _Micro Adventures_ YA books, because of differences in BASIC
implementations.

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[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

> On Feb 1, 2024, at 9:52 AM, Henry Bent via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 at 09:37, Paul Koning via cctalk 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 31, 2024, at 7:16 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk <
>> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Enter museum in Switzerland has a nice library of docs. I found that
>>> museum to be chock full of interesting German and other computers.  Worth
>>> the trip.
>>> Bill
>> 
>> Is any of that online?
>> 
>> One frustrating thing about various museums is that they have stuff, but
>> you can't access it.  For example, I know a museum with a collection of
>> 1950s software on punched tape, but they refuse access to it for reading
>> it.
>> 
> 
> Generally I have found that access to special collections is conditional on
> having credentials that the museum is willing to accept.  In that case I
> can imagine that the museum might be willing to allow inspection, perhaps
> supervised, but that they would not be willing to allow their media to be
> run through a punched tape reader because they were concerned about the
> possibility for damage.  Did you talk to them about the possibility of some
> sort of optical scanning?

Yes, a standard optical paper tape reader.  And the proposal was to have their 
staff supervise or operate, with us supplying the equipment and delivering the 
results.  

paul

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Henry Bent via cctalk]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 at 10:08, Paul Koning  wrote:

>
>
> > On Feb 1, 2024, at 9:52 AM, Henry Bent via cctalk 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 at 09:37, Paul Koning via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jan 31, 2024, at 7:16 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk <
> >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The Enter museum in Switzerland has a nice library of docs. I found
> that
> >>> museum to be chock full of interesting German and other computers.
> Worth
> >>> the trip.
> >>> Bill
> >>
> >> Is any of that online?
> >>
> >> One frustrating thing about various museums is that they have stuff, but
> >> you can't access it.  For example, I know a museum with a collection of
> >> 1950s software on punched tape, but they refuse access to it for reading
> >> it.
> >>
> >
> > Generally I have found that access to special collections is conditional
> on
> > having credentials that the museum is willing to accept.  In that case I
> > can imagine that the museum might be willing to allow inspection, perhaps
> > supervised, but that they would not be willing to allow their media to be
> > run through a punched tape reader because they were concerned about the
> > possibility for damage.  Did you talk to them about the possibility of
> some
> > sort of optical scanning?
>
> Yes, a standard optical paper tape reader.  And the proposal was to have
> their staff supervise or operate, with us supplying the equipment and
> delivering the results.
>

There's a term for that, I think it's called "hoarding."

It's very unfortunate that museums run the range from institutions
dedicated to preservation to, well, just a large collection that someone
has decided to charge access for.

-Henry

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Martin Bishop via cctalk]

Would an optical paper tape reader pass muster ;<) ...

FWIW mine has variable sped and stop pedal capabilities, so you can be fairly 
gentle / careful - the feed arrangements are most important

Museum donations can be done well, see eg 
https://history.dcs.ed.ac.uk/archive/pdp8/ProgrammesAndManualsList.html

PDP8 tapes much of it standard stuff, with copies described as "written by", 
but also locally generated programs - a seam to mine

Martin

-Original Message-
From: Henry Bent via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org] 
Sent: 01 February 2024 14:52
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Cc: Henry Bent 
Subject: [cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 at 09:37, Paul Koning via cctalk 
wrote:

>
>
> > On Jan 31, 2024, at 7:16 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > The Enter museum in Switzerland has a nice library of docs. I found 
> > that museum to be chock full of interesting German and other 
> > computers.  Worth the trip.
> > Bill
>
> Is any of that online?
>
> One frustrating thing about various museums is that they have stuff, 
> but you can't access it.  For example, I know a museum with a 
> collection of 1950s software on punched tape, but they refuse access 
> to it for reading it.
>

Generally I have found that access to special collections is conditional on 
having credentials that the museum is willing to accept.  In that case I can 
imagine that the museum might be willing to allow inspection, perhaps 
supervised, but that they would not be willing to allow their media to be run 
through a punched tape reader because they were concerned about the possibility 
for damage.  Did you talk to them about the possibility of some sort of optical 
scanning?

-Henry

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Henry Bent via cctalk]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 at 09:37, Paul Koning via cctalk 
wrote:

>
>
> > On Jan 31, 2024, at 7:16 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > The Enter museum in Switzerland has a nice library of docs. I found that
> > museum to be chock full of interesting German and other computers.  Worth
> > the trip.
> > Bill
>
> Is any of that online?
>
> One frustrating thing about various museums is that they have stuff, but
> you can't access it.  For example, I know a museum with a collection of
> 1950s software on punched tape, but they refuse access to it for reading
> it.
>

Generally I have found that access to special collections is conditional on
having credentials that the museum is willing to accept.  In that case I
can imagine that the museum might be willing to allow inspection, perhaps
supervised, but that they would not be willing to allow their media to be
run through a punched tape reader because they were concerned about the
possibility for damage.  Did you talk to them about the possibility of some
sort of optical scanning?

-Henry

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

> On Jan 31, 2024, at 7:16 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> The Enter museum in Switzerland has a nice library of docs. I found that
> museum to be chock full of interesting German and other computers.  Worth
> the trip.
> Bill

Is any of that online?

One frustrating thing about various museums is that they have stuff, but you 
can't access it.  For example, I know a museum with a collection of 1950s 
software on punched tape, but they refuse access to it for reading it. 

paul

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Jonathan Katz via cctalk]

> In the UK context, where there is on-line documentation of the ICL 2900 
> series is a question I don't know the answer to
> There is of course an operational ICL 2966 at TNMoC, Bletchley Park

Given the whole Post Office/Horizon scandal and that it was ICL that
had the contract as they were absorbed by Fujitsu I'm wondering if
we'll (TNMOC) be called upon to replicate the systems/bugs (or if we
can get grant money for that.) Also, we need to think about digitizing
our archives.

-- 
-Jon
+44 7792 149029

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

On 1/31/2024 8:30 PM, mark audacity romberg via cctalk wrote:

I suppose I should’ve specified “of the versions of BASIC I’ve ever heard 
anyone talk about still using this century.” :P


Basic09 is probably still in use on OS9000.

VAX BASIC is still in use on VMS ALPHA and Itanium and is about
to be released for the recent port of VMS to x86-64.  I personally
know of a number of rather large production systems in VMS BASIC.

RSTS/E is harder to say.  There are still a large number of PDP-11
sites running using both real hardware and commercial emulator
systems but which OSes they are using I can't say.  Could be all
RT-11 and RSX-11.  But then, BASIC-PLUS and BASIC-PLUS2 both run
on RSX-11 as well.  I just don't have much experience with RSX-11
as I never really liked it.

And  none of this takes into account hobbyists like me who use
all of them.


bill

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[mark audacity romberg via cctalk]

I suppose I should’ve specified “of the versions of BASIC I’ve ever heard 
anyone talk about still using this century.” :P

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

On 1/31/2024 1:14 PM, mark audacity romberg via cctalk wrote:

BBC BASIC is the best BASIC there ever was, and I feel sad for those who have 
never used it to see how powerful BASIC can be with proper structured 
programming. It’s honestly like a different language.



Basic09?  VAX BASIC?  RSTS/E BASIC-PLUS?

Microsoft was not the only BASIC provider in the US.

bill

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Bill Degnan via cctalk]

The Enter museum in Switzerland has a nice library of docs. I found that
museum to be chock full of interesting German and other computers.  Worth
the trip.
Bill

On Wed, Jan 31, 2024, 7:02 PM Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I do remember reading that  lot of British computers were quite superior
> to the rest of the world, but sold for inland use only.  The reason
> given was that we couldn't figure out ow to make them leak oil!
> cheers,
> Nigel
>
>
> On 2024-01-31 14:05, Martin Bishop via cctalk wrote:
> >   < and UK.  >>
> >
> > One standard work is "The First Computers : History and Architectures"
> > Ed Rojas, et al
> > MIT Press; 2002; ISBN 0-262-68137-4
> > US : 5 sections
> > Germany : 7 sections
> > UK : 5 sections
> > Japan : 2 sections
> > as an indication of activity
> >
> > < preserved from various countries. >>
> >
> > In the UK context, where there is on-line documentation of the ICL 2900
> series is a question I don't know the answer to
> > There is of course an operational ICL 2966 at TNMoC, Bletchley Park
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Paul Koning via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org]
> > Sent: 31 January 2024 18:53
> > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> > Cc: Wouter de Waal ; Paul Koning 
> > Subject: [cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 31, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Wouter de Waal via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> I have found that computers are much like motorcycles: many of the
> most interesting were never available in the US.
> >> Computers are much like motorcycles: many of the most interesting ones
> were TERRIBLE!
> > I wonder what fraction of early (before, say, 1955) computer work was
> done in the USA.  A substantial fraction no doubt, but perhaps not as large
> as one might guess.  A related question would be how much work was done
> outside the USA and UK.
> >
> > For that matter, similar questions could be asked about the amount of
> documentation preserved from various countries.  One difficulty, I think,
> is that resources like bitsavers have a large proportion of US material.
> Maybe because of the predominance of the work, maybe in part because of the
> distribution of collectors.  To pick one example, material -- even just a
> passing reference -- about the Philips PR8000 is very nearly nonexistent.
> And I see no trace of any other Dutch computer at all on Bitsavers.  True,
> some stuff can be found in places like the CWI archive, though searching
> that can be rather painful.
> >
> >   paul
> >
>
> --
> Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU
> Amateur Radio, the origin of the open-source concept!
> Skype:  TILBURY2591
>
>
>

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024, Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk wrote:
I do remember reading that  lot of British computers were quite superior 
to the rest of the world, but sold for inland use only.  The reason given 
was that we couldn't figure out ow to make them leak oil!

cheers,
Nigel


Did Lucas make computers?

--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk]

I do remember reading that  lot of British computers were quite superior 
to the rest of the world, but sold for inland use only.  The reason 
given was that we couldn't figure out ow to make them leak oil!

cheers,
Nigel


On 2024-01-31 14:05, Martin Bishop via cctalk wrote:

  <>

One standard work is "The First Computers : History and Architectures"
Ed Rojas, et al
MIT Press; 2002; ISBN 0-262-68137-4
US : 5 sections
Germany : 7 sections
UK : 5 sections
Japan : 2 sections
as an indication of activity

<>

In the UK context, where there is on-line documentation of the ICL 2900 series 
is a question I don't know the answer to
There is of course an operational ICL 2966 at TNMoC, Bletchley Park

Martin

-Original Message-
From: Paul Koning via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org]
Sent: 31 January 2024 18:53
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Cc: Wouter de Waal ; Paul Koning 
Subject: [cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal




On Jan 31, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Wouter de Waal via cctalk  
wrote:



I have found that computers are much like motorcycles: many of the most 
interesting were never available in the US.

Computers are much like motorcycles: many of the most interesting ones were 
TERRIBLE!

I wonder what fraction of early (before, say, 1955) computer work was done in 
the USA.  A substantial fraction no doubt, but perhaps not as large as one 
might guess.  A related question would be how much work was done outside the 
USA and UK.

For that matter, similar questions could be asked about the amount of 
documentation preserved from various countries.  One difficulty, I think, is 
that resources like bitsavers have a large proportion of US material.  Maybe 
because of the predominance of the work, maybe in part because of the 
distribution of collectors.  To pick one example, material -- even just a 
passing reference -- about the Philips PR8000 is very nearly nonexistent.  And 
I see no trace of any other Dutch computer at all on Bitsavers.  True, some 
stuff can be found in places like the CWI archive, though searching that can be 
rather painful.

paul



--
Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU
Amateur Radio, the origin of the open-source concept!
Skype:  TILBURY2591

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Martin Bishop via cctalk]

 <>

One standard work is "The First Computers : History and Architectures"
Ed Rojas, et al
MIT Press; 2002; ISBN 0-262-68137-4
US : 5 sections
Germany : 7 sections
UK : 5 sections
Japan : 2 sections
as an indication of activity

<>

In the UK context, where there is on-line documentation of the ICL 2900 series 
is a question I don't know the answer to
There is of course an operational ICL 2966 at TNMoC, Bletchley Park

Martin

-Original Message-
From: Paul Koning via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org] 
Sent: 31 January 2024 18:53
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Cc: Wouter de Waal ; Paul Koning 
Subject: [cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal



> On Jan 31, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Wouter de Waal via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> I have found that computers are much like motorcycles: many of the most 
>> interesting were never available in the US.
> 
> Computers are much like motorcycles: many of the most interesting ones were 
> TERRIBLE!

I wonder what fraction of early (before, say, 1955) computer work was done in 
the USA.  A substantial fraction no doubt, but perhaps not as large as one 
might guess.  A related question would be how much work was done outside the 
USA and UK.  

For that matter, similar questions could be asked about the amount of 
documentation preserved from various countries.  One difficulty, I think, is 
that resources like bitsavers have a large proportion of US material.  Maybe 
because of the predominance of the work, maybe in part because of the 
distribution of collectors.  To pick one example, material -- even just a 
passing reference -- about the Philips PR8000 is very nearly nonexistent.  And 
I see no trace of any other Dutch computer at all on Bitsavers.  True, some 
stuff can be found in places like the CWI archive, though searching that can be 
rather painful.

paul

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

> On Jan 31, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Wouter de Waal via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> I have found that computers are much like motorcycles: many of the most 
>> interesting were never available in the US.
> 
> Computers are much like motorcycles: many of the most interesting ones were 
> TERRIBLE!

I wonder what fraction of early (before, say, 1955) computer work was done in 
the USA.  A substantial fraction no doubt, but perhaps not as large as one 
might guess.  A related question would be how much work was done outside the 
USA and UK.  

For that matter, similar questions could be asked about the amount of 
documentation preserved from various countries.  One difficulty, I think, is 
that resources like bitsavers have a large proportion of US material.  Maybe 
because of the predominance of the work, maybe in part because of the 
distribution of collectors.  To pick one example, material -- even just a 
passing reference -- about the Philips PR8000 is very nearly nonexistent.  And 
I see no trace of any other Dutch computer at all on Bitsavers.  True, some 
stuff can be found in places like the CWI archive, though searching that can be 
rather painful.

paul

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Wouter de Waal via cctalk]

I have found that computers are much like motorcycles: many of the 
most interesting were never available in the US.


Computers are much like motorcycles: many of the most interesting 
ones were TERRIBLE!


W 

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[mark audacity romberg via cctalk]

BBC BASIC is the best BASIC there ever was, and I feel sad for those who have 
never used it to see how powerful BASIC can be with proper structured 
programming. It’s honestly like a different language. 

> On Jan 31, 2024, at 12:05, Sellam Abraham via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> right now I'm on a BBC Micro kick,
> specifically because of its BASIC interpreter.

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Sellam Abraham via cctalk]

On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 9:13 AM Liam Proven via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 14:23, Christopher Satterfield via cctalk
>  wrote:
> >
> > I'm going to be presenting a (fine? idk) collection of British Computers.
> > Dragging along at least an Acorn RiscPC 700, a Castle Iyonix, Sinclair
> > Spectrum 48k and a Q68. Possibly static Apricot FP1/F1 if I can be
> bothered
> > to reassemble them despite their non-functional states.
>
> As a Brit, can I just express my appreciation of this? :-)
>
> I write for an international audience and sometimes people from the
> USA are openly and repeatedly incredulous that "obscure" British
> computers -- that means they've never heard of them -- can be
> considered significant or important, even compared to American
> machines that were on sale in East Futtbuck Idaho for 6 weeks in
> Spring 1973 and have never been mentioned since.
>
> The biggest selling CPU in history is a British design from a British
> company. Its native OS is still updated and is FOSS today, and
> provided the inspiration for a key part of the Windows 95 user
> interface now used by billions. The core of the OS dates from the late
> 1970s or so and may be the oldest OS of which a modern derivative
> still can run on the bare metal of new hardware in 2024.
>
> --
> Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven


Probably because Americans in Futtbuck, Idaho never heard of any British
computers but Brits certainly knew about American computers, eh wot?

P.S. Just so this doesn't cause an international incident, I am very fond
of various British computers and right now I'm on a BBC Micro kick,
specifically because of its BASIC interpreter.

Sellam

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Will Cooke via cctalk]

> On 01/31/2024 11:34 AM CST Henry Bent via cctalk  
> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 12:13, Liam Proven via cctalk 
> wrote:
>
> I write for an international audience and sometimes people from the
> > USA are openly and repeatedly incredulous that "obscure" British
> > computers -- that means they've never heard of them -- can be
> > considered significant or important, even compared to American
> > machines that were on sale in East Futtbuck Idaho for 6 weeks in
> > Spring 1973 and have never been mentioned since.
>
> I wish that I were in a position to visit that VCF and see those machines.

I as well.  I do hope you will record it and make it available online somewhere.
I have found that computers are much like motorcycles: many of the most 
interesting were never available in the US.

Thanks,
Will

Grownups never understand anything by themselves and it is tiresome for 
children to be always and forever explaining things to them,

Antoine de Saint-Exupery in The Little Prince

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Ali via cctalk]

That would be very interesting. I always thought Apricot made some beasts and 
remeber the cover of Byte for the first 486 system being an Apricot VX. I would 
love to see that machine in person. 
 Original message From: Christopher Satterfield via cctalk 
 Date: 1/31/24  6:23 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: "General 
Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"  Cc: 
Christopher Satterfield  Subject: [cctalk] Re: VCF 
SoCal I'm going to be presenting a (fine? idk) collection of British 
Computers.Dragging along at least an Acorn RiscPC 700, a Castle Iyonix, 
SinclairSpectrum 48k and a Q68. Possibly static Apricot FP1/F1 if I can be 
botheredto reassemble them despite their non-functional states.

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Henry Bent via cctalk]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 12:13, Liam Proven via cctalk 
wrote:

I write for an international audience and sometimes people from the
> USA are openly and repeatedly incredulous that "obscure" British
> computers -- that means they've never heard of them -- can be
> considered significant or important, even compared to American
> machines that were on sale in East Futtbuck Idaho for 6 weeks in
> Spring 1973 and have never been mentioned since.
>

I wish that I were in a position to visit that VCF and see those machines.
As an American it's true that the vast majority of my vintage computer
experience is completely americentric, but I'm aware that Acorn had a
significant presence in the overseas market and that RiscOS is viewed
fondly.  Perhaps it's time for me to find an emulator and experience the
system for myself.

And yes, there does appear to be outsize interest from the community in
dead-end and/or sub-par American machines vs. those from overseas.  For
example, I gather that Omron did fairly well in the UNIX hardware business
in Japan, but had effectively zero market penetration elsewhere.  Interest
in those systems here is effectively zero, mostly because they never
appeared on the secondary market and so there was no long tail leading to
hobbyist use.


> The biggest selling CPU in history is a British design from a British
> company. Its native OS is still updated and is FOSS today, and
> provided the inspiration for a key part of the Windows 95 user
> interface now used by billions. The core of the OS dates from the late
> 1970s or so and may be the oldest OS of which a modern derivative
> still can run on the bare metal of new hardware in 2024.
>

Surely by this definition UNIX would take the crown?  The "core of the OS"
dates from 1969 and modern derivatives are everywhere.

-Henry

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 14:23, Christopher Satterfield via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> I'm going to be presenting a (fine? idk) collection of British Computers.
> Dragging along at least an Acorn RiscPC 700, a Castle Iyonix, Sinclair
> Spectrum 48k and a Q68. Possibly static Apricot FP1/F1 if I can be bothered
> to reassemble them despite their non-functional states.

As a Brit, can I just express my appreciation of this? :-)

I write for an international audience and sometimes people from the
USA are openly and repeatedly incredulous that "obscure" British
computers -- that means they've never heard of them -- can be
considered significant or important, even compared to American
machines that were on sale in East Futtbuck Idaho for 6 weeks in
Spring 1973 and have never been mentioned since.

The biggest selling CPU in history is a British design from a British
company. Its native OS is still updated and is FOSS today, and
provided the inspiration for a key part of the Windows 95 user
interface now used by billions. The core of the OS dates from the late
1970s or so and may be the oldest OS of which a modern derivative
still can run on the bare metal of new hardware in 2024.

-- 
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[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Christopher Satterfield via cctalk]

I'm going to be presenting a (fine? idk) collection of British Computers.
Dragging along at least an Acorn RiscPC 700, a Castle Iyonix, Sinclair
Spectrum 48k and a Q68. Possibly static Apricot FP1/F1 if I can be bothered
to reassemble them despite their non-functional states.

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Sellam Abraham via cctalk]

Wow, bummer.

I'm staying with my sister in Upland so I'll be fine budget wise.

Thanks.

Sellam

On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:47 PM jim stephens via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> 1000 feet from where I lived in Anaheim.  needed this a few years ago, I
> would have helped any way I could.  Have fun.
>
> If you find the prices at the former Doubletree a bit much, there are
> probably lots of cheap deals near Mouse Central, just 1 1/2 miles
> north.  I recommend it if you haven't been, even though it's horribly
> expensive.  One downside, the Haunted Mansion is closed for a rebuild.
>
> Thanks
> Jim
>
> On 1/25/24 13:44, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> > I'll be attending VCF SoCal on February 17-18 in Orange (California) in
> the
> > capacity of a presenter (on a panel and a solo presentation).
> >
> > Is anyone else planning to attend the event?
> >
> > Sellam
>
>

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[jim stephens via cctalk]

1000 feet from where I lived in Anaheim.  needed this a few years ago, I 
would have helped any way I could.  Have fun.


If you find the prices at the former Doubletree a bit much, there are 
probably lots of cheap deals near Mouse Central, just 1 1/2 miles 
north.  I recommend it if you haven't been, even though it's horribly 
expensive.  One downside, the Haunted Mansion is closed for a rebuild.


Thanks
Jim

On 1/25/24 13:44, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:

I'll be attending VCF SoCal on February 17-18 in Orange (California) in the
capacity of a presenter (on a panel and a solo presentation).

Is anyone else planning to attend the event?

Sellam

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 1/25/24 15:44, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 1:37 PM Michael Mulhern via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:


As a denizen of the antipodes I’ve heard about VCFSoCal, but maybe I’m more
into the socials.

Maybe VCF(etal) should be also sending notifications through email lists
and boards.


I agree, they should.
I've seen little mention of it on their discord.  I am not on the vcfed 
site much.  might be more action somewhere there.


a bit more mention on the cctalk (classsicmp) discord than vcf.

thanks
Jim





Hoping anyone local(ish) to VCFSoCal can get there and have a great time.

M.


Sellam

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

Yes, good point! This is what I was talking about a little poster of shows this 
year:

https://envs.sh/Fc7.png 

-andy diller

> On Jan 26, 2024, at 9:05 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 07:30, Andrew Diller via cctalk
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hope this helps, I put it together to keep track of them all.
> 
> I think you forgot something.
> 
> There was no link or anything there, and the list doesn't allow attachments.
> 
> -- 
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> Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com
> Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven
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> Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 07:30, Andrew Diller via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> Hope this helps, I put it together to keep track of them all.

I think you forgot something.

There was no link or anything there, and the list doesn't allow attachments.

-- 
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[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Sellam Abraham via cctalk]

???

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:30 PM Andrew Diller via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
>
> Hope this helps, I put it together to keep track of them all.
>
> -andy
>
>
> > On Jan 25, 2024, at 2:47 PM, Ali via cctalk 
> wrote:
> >
> > First time I am hearing of this. Are details up on the vcf site?-Ali
> >  Original message From: Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> Date: 1/25/24  11:45 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: "General
> Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"  Cc:
> Sellam Abraham  Subject: [cctalk] VCF SoCal I'll
> be attending VCF SoCal on February 17-18 in Orange (California) in
> thecapacity of a presenter (on a panel and a solo presentation).Is anyone
> else planning to attend the event?Sellam
>
>

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

Hope this helps, I put it together to keep track of them all.

-andy


> On Jan 25, 2024, at 2:47 PM, Ali via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> First time I am hearing of this. Are details up on the vcf site?-Ali
>  Original message From: Sellam Abraham via cctalk 
>  Date: 1/25/24  11:45 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: "General 
> Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"  Cc: Sellam 
> Abraham  Subject: [cctalk] VCF SoCal I'll be 
> attending VCF SoCal on February 17-18 in Orange (California) in thecapacity 
> of a presenter (on a panel and a solo presentation).Is anyone else planning 
> to attend the event?Sellam

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Sellam Abraham via cctalk]

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 1:37 PM Michael Mulhern via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> As a denizen of the antipodes I’ve heard about VCFSoCal, but maybe I’m more
> into the socials.
>
> Maybe VCF(etal) should be also sending notifications through email lists
> and boards.
>

I agree, they should.


> Hoping anyone local(ish) to VCFSoCal can get there and have a great time.
>
> M.
>

Sellam

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Michael Mulhern via cctalk]

As a denizen of the antipodes I’ve heard about VCFSoCal, but maybe I’m more
into the socials.

Maybe VCF(etal) should be also sending notifications through email lists
and boards.

Hoping anyone local(ish) to VCFSoCal can get there and have a great time.

M.

On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 8:33 am, Fred Cisin via cctalk 
wrote:

> >> First time I am hearing of this. Are details up on the vcf site?-Ali
>
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> > Forgive me, I should not have assumed everyone already knew about it.
> > February 17-18 at the Hotel Fera Event Center in Orange, California.
> > https://www.vcfsocal.com/
>
> California VCF's tend to not be announced here!
>
> Last august, I missed VCF West, because I didn't hear about it in time.
>
> --
> Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
>

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

First time I am hearing of this. Are details up on the vcf site?-Ali


On Thu, 25 Jan 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:

Forgive me, I should not have assumed everyone already knew about it.
February 17-18 at the Hotel Fera Event Center in Orange, California.
https://www.vcfsocal.com/


California VCF's tend to not be announced here!

Last august, I missed VCF West, because I didn't hear about it in time.

--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Sellam Abraham via cctalk]

Forgive me, I should not have assumed everyone already knew about it.

February 17-18 at the Hotel Fera Event Center in Orange, California.

https://www.vcfsocal.com/

Sellam

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:47 AM Ali via cctalk 
wrote:

> First time I am hearing of this. Are details up on the vcf site?-Ali
>  Original message From: Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> Date: 1/25/24  11:45 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: "General
> Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"  Cc:
> Sellam Abraham  Subject: [cctalk] VCF SoCal I'll
> be attending VCF SoCal on February 17-18 in Orange (California) in
> thecapacity of a presenter (on a panel and a solo presentation).Is anyone
> else planning to attend the event?Sellam

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Ali via cctalk]

First time I am hearing of this. Are details up on the vcf site?-Ali
 Original message From: Sellam Abraham via cctalk 
 Date: 1/25/24  11:45 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: "General 
Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"  Cc: Sellam 
Abraham  Subject: [cctalk] VCF SoCal I'll be attending 
VCF SoCal on February 17-18 in Orange (California) in thecapacity of a 
presenter (on a panel and a solo presentation).Is anyone else planning to 
attend the event?Sellam

[cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?

[Steve Lewis via cctalk]

( I'm not sure how to change topic subjects! )

Regarding the Poly-88, I'm not seeing much about it on YouTube.  If you've
got a working one, it would be good to "get one on record."  If you're
willing to part with it or loan it - let me know (can also run it by
ActionRetro, although he's concentrating on some Russian imports at the
moment).

But back to the original topic, hope VCF West went well !   Looks like I've
been talked into going to the September 9th VCF near Chicago.

-Steve

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 10:07 AM dwight  wrote:

> Hi Steve
> I see. You were asking if anyone had a working Poly-88.
> Yes, I believe mine is likely still working. I also have a 8813 that was
> working when I put it away.
> At the VCF, I was talking to another fellow about the video board used on
> the Poly-88. It was said by the other person that the board was basically
> copied by others and some even had the same error, causing distortion of
> the first line by incorrect timing of the H retrace time, on many monitors.
> Dwight
>
> --
> *From:* Steve Lewis 
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 6, 2023 4:52 PM
> *To:* General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> *Cc:* dwight 
> *Subject:* Re: [cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?
>
> Oh it wasn't my Poly88 - but the person who had it, they just didn't have
> a CRT or screen to test it out with.  So it may be working fine.  Original
> owner, said he put it together himself (and 16K).
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 3:11 PM dwight via cctalk 
> wrote:
>
> My Poly-88 should be working but I've not played with it for a few years.
> The last time I had it up and doing something was at the last MakerFaire .
> What Is your issue?
> Dwight
>
> 
> From: Steve Lewis via cctalk 
> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:19 PM
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> Cc: Steve Lewis 
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?
>
> I can't make it to VCF this weekend - though I'm hoping to make it to the
> one in September.
>
> I actually am looking for something: any working IEC device for a C64 (1541
> drive, printer, plotter?).   More for an experiment than collection, but do
> prefer clean and presentable.
>
>
> Earlier this year, I reached someone with a working Poly-88.  But then in
> March they reported health issues and hospital stays, so I haven't heard
> since.  Would be interested if anyone else is aware of a still-working one.
>
> We're still working on recovery of an IBM 5100 "launch title" tape
> (analytic functions) - practicing with other tapes first.  Its 2-channel
> deal so far isn't quite that straightforward.  But if the Tektronics folks
> can do it with their QIC tapes, I'm somewhat hopeful we can too (although
> late 70s/early 80s Tektronic is apparently a more proper IEEE-488).
>
> Only thing I could offer right now is a fairly not-working 5110 (display
> don't work, PSU don't work, cards don't work - but the case is pristine).
>
> -Steve
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:49 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > >> I did not get any of whatever mailings there were.
> > >>
> > >> I don't exhibit, but I do have an excessive amount of stuff to sort
> and
> > >> pack for sale and giveaway.
> > >> --
> > >> Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 3 Aug 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> > > We'll just have to organize a VCF Fred at some point.  That way, they
> > come
> > > to you.
> > >
> > > I mean, after all, that's why I started the VCF ;)
> >
> > Yes, but you handed it over to a swell bunch of people before I finished
> > parting with my stuff!
> >
> > --
> > Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
> >
>
>

[cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?

[Steve Lewis via cctalk]

Oh it wasn't my Poly88 - but the person who had it, they just didn't have a
CRT or screen to test it out with.  So it may be working fine.  Original
owner, said he put it together himself (and 16K).



On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 3:11 PM dwight via cctalk 
wrote:

> My Poly-88 should be working but I've not played with it for a few years.
> The last time I had it up and doing something was at the last MakerFaire .
> What Is your issue?
> Dwight
>
> 
> From: Steve Lewis via cctalk 
> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:19 PM
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> Cc: Steve Lewis 
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?
>
> I can't make it to VCF this weekend - though I'm hoping to make it to the
> one in September.
>
> I actually am looking for something: any working IEC device for a C64 (1541
> drive, printer, plotter?).   More for an experiment than collection, but do
> prefer clean and presentable.
>
>
> Earlier this year, I reached someone with a working Poly-88.  But then in
> March they reported health issues and hospital stays, so I haven't heard
> since.  Would be interested if anyone else is aware of a still-working one.
>
> We're still working on recovery of an IBM 5100 "launch title" tape
> (analytic functions) - practicing with other tapes first.  Its 2-channel
> deal so far isn't quite that straightforward.  But if the Tektronics folks
> can do it with their QIC tapes, I'm somewhat hopeful we can too (although
> late 70s/early 80s Tektronic is apparently a more proper IEEE-488).
>
> Only thing I could offer right now is a fairly not-working 5110 (display
> don't work, PSU don't work, cards don't work - but the case is pristine).
>
> -Steve
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:49 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > >> I did not get any of whatever mailings there were.
> > >>
> > >> I don't exhibit, but I do have an excessive amount of stuff to sort
> and
> > >> pack for sale and giveaway.
> > >> --
> > >> Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 3 Aug 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> > > We'll just have to organize a VCF Fred at some point.  That way, they
> > come
> > > to you.
> > >
> > > I mean, after all, that's why I started the VCF ;)
> >
> > Yes, but you handed it over to a swell bunch of people before I finished
> > parting with my stuff!
> >
> > --
> > Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
> >
>

[cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?

[dwight via cctalk]

My Poly-88 should be working but I've not played with it for a few years. The 
last time I had it up and doing something was at the last MakerFaire .
What Is your issue?
Dwight


From: Steve Lewis via cctalk 
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:19 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Cc: Steve Lewis 
Subject: [cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?

I can't make it to VCF this weekend - though I'm hoping to make it to the
one in September.

I actually am looking for something: any working IEC device for a C64 (1541
drive, printer, plotter?).   More for an experiment than collection, but do
prefer clean and presentable.


Earlier this year, I reached someone with a working Poly-88.  But then in
March they reported health issues and hospital stays, so I haven't heard
since.  Would be interested if anyone else is aware of a still-working one.

We're still working on recovery of an IBM 5100 "launch title" tape
(analytic functions) - practicing with other tapes first.  Its 2-channel
deal so far isn't quite that straightforward.  But if the Tektronics folks
can do it with their QIC tapes, I'm somewhat hopeful we can too (although
late 70s/early 80s Tektronic is apparently a more proper IEEE-488).

Only thing I could offer right now is a fairly not-working 5110 (display
don't work, PSU don't work, cards don't work - but the case is pristine).

-Steve





On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:49 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk 
wrote:

> >> I did not get any of whatever mailings there were.
> >>
> >> I don't exhibit, but I do have an excessive amount of stuff to sort and
> >> pack for sale and giveaway.
> >> --
> >> Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
>
>
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> > We'll just have to organize a VCF Fred at some point.  That way, they
> come
> > to you.
> >
> > I mean, after all, that's why I started the VCF ;)
>
> Yes, but you handed it over to a swell bunch of people before I finished
> parting with my stuff!
>
> --
> Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
>

[cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?

[Steve Lewis via cctalk]

Seeing what (if any) IEC devices work with the Commander X16.  1541
emulator is working, would like to verify with real hardware tho (and also
verify if can "daisy chain" multiple Devices).  Tentatively someone is
having an issue with the 1541 physical drive on that system (think it has a
"software controlled" thing to change it's Device Number, and maybe that's
not working? still investigating, but not yet ready to gamble on an
untested ebay one -- and need some physical disks to go with it, don't
think my 8" IBM floppies will fit { joke! :P }).

Very happy with the PC-5000!  Just still couldn't find a compatible disk
drive (turns out the 37-pin at the rear isn't compatible with the IBM
drives, need to find some Sharp specific model).
But sorry, what monitor?  I am kind of "monitor'd out" right now - have
about five CRTs, they all work well, but they eat up quite a bit of space.

-Steve

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 12:42 PM Mike Stein via cctalk 
wrote:

> Too far away to make shipping practical, but I'm curious: what's the
> experiment about?
>
> Glad you're happy with the PC-5000 etc.; no interest in the monitor I take
> it?
>
> m
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 1:19 AM Steve Lewis via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I can't make it to VCF this weekend - though I'm hoping to make it to the
> > one in September.
> >
> > I actually am looking for something: any working IEC device for a C64
> (1541
> > drive, printer, plotter?).   More for an experiment than collection, but
> do
> > prefer clean and presentable.
> >
> >
> > Earlier this year, I reached someone with a working Poly-88.  But then in
> > March they reported health issues and hospital stays, so I haven't heard
> > since.  Would be interested if anyone else is aware of a still-working
> one.
> >
> > We're still working on recovery of an IBM 5100 "launch title" tape
> > (analytic functions) - practicing with other tapes first.  Its 2-channel
> > deal so far isn't quite that straightforward.  But if the Tektronics
> folks
> > can do it with their QIC tapes, I'm somewhat hopeful we can too (although
> > late 70s/early 80s Tektronic is apparently a more proper IEEE-488).
> >
> > Only thing I could offer right now is a fairly not-working 5110 (display
> > don't work, PSU don't work, cards don't work - but the case is pristine).
> >
> > -Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:49 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk <
> > cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > >> I did not get any of whatever mailings there were.
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't exhibit, but I do have an excessive amount of stuff to sort
> > and
> > > >> pack for sale and giveaway.
> > > >> --
> > > >> Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> > > > We'll just have to organize a VCF Fred at some point.  That way, they
> > > come
> > > > to you.
> > > >
> > > > I mean, after all, that's why I started the VCF ;)
> > >
> > > Yes, but you handed it over to a swell bunch of people before I
> finished
> > > parting with my stuff!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
> > >
> >
>

[cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?

[Mike Stein via cctalk]

Too far away to make shipping practical, but I'm curious: what's the
experiment about?

Glad you're happy with the PC-5000 etc.; no interest in the monitor I take
it?

m

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 1:19 AM Steve Lewis via cctalk 
wrote:

> I can't make it to VCF this weekend - though I'm hoping to make it to the
> one in September.
>
> I actually am looking for something: any working IEC device for a C64 (1541
> drive, printer, plotter?).   More for an experiment than collection, but do
> prefer clean and presentable.
>
>
> Earlier this year, I reached someone with a working Poly-88.  But then in
> March they reported health issues and hospital stays, so I haven't heard
> since.  Would be interested if anyone else is aware of a still-working one.
>
> We're still working on recovery of an IBM 5100 "launch title" tape
> (analytic functions) - practicing with other tapes first.  Its 2-channel
> deal so far isn't quite that straightforward.  But if the Tektronics folks
> can do it with their QIC tapes, I'm somewhat hopeful we can too (although
> late 70s/early 80s Tektronic is apparently a more proper IEEE-488).
>
> Only thing I could offer right now is a fairly not-working 5110 (display
> don't work, PSU don't work, cards don't work - but the case is pristine).
>
> -Steve
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:49 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > >> I did not get any of whatever mailings there were.
> > >>
> > >> I don't exhibit, but I do have an excessive amount of stuff to sort
> and
> > >> pack for sale and giveaway.
> > >> --
> > >> Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 3 Aug 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> > > We'll just have to organize a VCF Fred at some point.  That way, they
> > come
> > > to you.
> > >
> > > I mean, after all, that's why I started the VCF ;)
> >
> > Yes, but you handed it over to a swell bunch of people before I finished
> > parting with my stuff!
> >
> > --
> > Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
> >
>

[cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?

[Steve Lewis via cctalk]

I can't make it to VCF this weekend - though I'm hoping to make it to the
one in September.

I actually am looking for something: any working IEC device for a C64 (1541
drive, printer, plotter?).   More for an experiment than collection, but do
prefer clean and presentable.


Earlier this year, I reached someone with a working Poly-88.  But then in
March they reported health issues and hospital stays, so I haven't heard
since.  Would be interested if anyone else is aware of a still-working one.

We're still working on recovery of an IBM 5100 "launch title" tape
(analytic functions) - practicing with other tapes first.  Its 2-channel
deal so far isn't quite that straightforward.  But if the Tektronics folks
can do it with their QIC tapes, I'm somewhat hopeful we can too (although
late 70s/early 80s Tektronic is apparently a more proper IEEE-488).

Only thing I could offer right now is a fairly not-working 5110 (display
don't work, PSU don't work, cards don't work - but the case is pristine).

-Steve





On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:49 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk 
wrote:

> >> I did not get any of whatever mailings there were.
> >>
> >> I don't exhibit, but I do have an excessive amount of stuff to sort and
> >> pack for sale and giveaway.
> >> --
> >> Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
>
>
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> > We'll just have to organize a VCF Fred at some point.  That way, they
> come
> > to you.
> >
> > I mean, after all, that's why I started the VCF ;)
>
> Yes, but you handed it over to a swell bunch of people before I finished
> parting with my stuff!
>
> --
> Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
>

[cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

I did not get any of whatever mailings there were.

I don't exhibit, but I do have an excessive amount of stuff to sort and
pack for sale and giveaway.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com



On Thu, 3 Aug 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:

We'll just have to organize a VCF Fred at some point.  That way, they come
to you.

I mean, after all, that's why I started the VCF ;)


Yes, but you handed it over to a swell bunch of people before I finished 
parting with my stuff!


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

[cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?

[Sellam Abraham via cctalk]

On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 6:20 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk 
wrote:

> I did not get any of whatever mailings there were.
>
> I don't exhibit, but I do have an excessive amount of stuff to sort and
> pack for sale and giveaway.
>
> --
> Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com


We'll just have to organize a VCF Fred at some point.  That way, they come
to you.

I mean, after all, that's why I started the VCF ;)

Sellam

[cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

I did not get any of whatever mailings there were.

I don't exhibit, but I do have an excessive amount of stuff to sort and 
pack for sale and giveaway.


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

On Thu, 3 Aug 2023, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:




On 8/3/23 20:05, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Once again, the first that I am hearing about it is too late to pack 
up stuff to take!


In the future, would everybody who knows about it mention it at 
least once a week for the month preceding?


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
I saw a lot about it on Facebook groups from individuals, but not much 
in the way of communications from the organizers.


Erik Klein sent out reminders, the latest was 6/23 to my vcf email 
receptacle.  I thought you'd exhibited, are you n not getting those 
emails as well as ads / postings?


Thanks
Jim

[cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 8/3/23 20:05, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Once again, the first that I am hearing about it is too late to pack 
up stuff to take!


In the future, would everybody who knows about it mention it at least 
once a week for the month preceding?


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
I saw a lot about it on Facebook groups from individuals, but not much 
in the way of communications from the organizers.


Erik Klein sent out reminders, the latest was 6/23 to my vcf email 
receptacle.  I thought you'd exhibited, are you n not getting those 
emails as well as ads / postings?


Thanks
Jim

[cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

Once again, the first that I am hearing about it is too late to pack 
up stuff to take!


In the future, would everybody who knows about it mention it at least once 
a week for the month preceding?


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com


On Thu, 3 Aug 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:


I'm sure there are at least a couple of you who will be attending the VCF
this weekend in Mountain View at the Computer History Museum.

Is there anything that anyone might want/need?  Please send me a private
message if you're looking for something and if I have what you want I can
bring it with me.

I'll only be there Saturday.

Sellam

[cctalk] Re: VCF and System Source Computer Museum swap meet this weekend

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

I'll be there. Hello Ethan. Bring some good stuff for me to buy. jk.

-andy

> On Jul 19, 2023, at 11:23 AM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I am curious if anyone here might be planning on attending.
>> https://museum.syssrc.com/artifact/events/3000/
> 
> I am heading up there with friends Friday night so we can get there early 
> Saturday.
> 
> Bringing some stuff to sell, nothing too crazy just odds and ends. PICMG 
> Pentium rackmount machine and odds and ends for micros.
> 
> Only system on my "to get" list is Acorn Archemedies.
> 
> Looking forward to it, and I think System Source might be the #1 collection 
> in the world. Very cool place.
> 
> Say hi if you see me and are on this list.
> 
>   - Ethan
> 
> 
> --
> : Ethan O'Toole
> 
> 

[cctalk] Re: VCF and System Source Computer Museum swap meet this weekend

[Sellam Abraham via cctalk]

On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 1:58 PM Ethan O'Toole via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> > I'll be there. Hello Ethan. Bring some good stuff for me to buy. jk.
> > -andy
>
> Years ago there was an auction of an Internet Kiosk company in Newport
> News Virginia. I decided to go. It was well advertised and run by a big
> company (probably Rasmus but I don't remember.)
>
> I get there. The crowd seemed to be a random bunch but it was well
> attended. Crowd was a mix of the flipper types, estate sales types maybe
> and a few geeks.
>
> I run into some people I knew from the BBS scene in my childhood. They
> could be troublemakers, but they tended to be funny. You know the type. We
> had separated ways years before and ran in different geek circles, but
> here they were. Kind of good seeing them again, but also obvious not much
> had changed.
>
> They were running a computer repair store, and purchased things like the
> filing cabinet full of customer records so they could market to them. They
> left test copies on all the copiers of ads for their adult website(s). I
> remember the auctioneer picking up the face down full coverage 8x11 paper
> ads in the output tray a little shocked on the mic "Looks like it works
> well..."
>
> Well one guy bids on this maxwell house can of screws. The hex head things
> that hold on the covers to your standard beige PC and the smaller ones
> that hold in the CD-ROMs and floppies. But not the hard drives, those use
> the case sized ones.
>
> Sold for $20 or whatever it was. I mean, it was pretty full but I thought
> it was a strange purchase.
>
> Some loud lady proclaims "Who on earth would pay $20 for a can of screws?"
> Everyone is watching, Geoff just shrugs. Doesn't say anything.
>
> She bids on this beige tower PC. Wins. Goes to pick it up and the cover
> slides right off. A lot of people see this. Kind of mortified she looks
> over at Geoff who is sitting on some furniture running his fingers
> through his $20 can of screws. He loudly says "Hey, I've got screws
> for sale a dollar each" once she looks over. Some are amused some
> confused. The auctioneer chuckles.
>

I, too, chuckle.

Sellam

[cctalk] Re: VCF and System Source Computer Museum swap meet this weekend

[Ethan O'Toole via cctalk]

I'll be there. Hello Ethan. Bring some good stuff for me to buy. jk.
-andy


Years ago there was an auction of an Internet Kiosk company in Newport 
News Virginia. I decided to go. It was well advertised and run by a big 
company (probably Rasmus but I don't remember.)


I get there. The crowd seemed to be a random bunch but it was well 
attended. Crowd was a mix of the flipper types, estate sales types maybe 
and a few geeks.


I run into some people I knew from the BBS scene in my childhood. They 
could be troublemakers, but they tended to be funny. You know the type. We 
had separated ways years before and ran in different geek circles, but 
here they were. Kind of good seeing them again, but also obvious not much 
had changed.


They were running a computer repair store, and purchased things like the 
filing cabinet full of customer records so they could market to them. They 
left test copies on all the copiers of ads for their adult website(s). I 
remember the auctioneer picking up the face down full coverage 8x11 paper 
ads in the output tray a little shocked on the mic "Looks like it works 
well..."


Well one guy bids on this maxwell house can of screws. The hex head things 
that hold on the covers to your standard beige PC and the smaller ones 
that hold in the CD-ROMs and floppies. But not the hard drives, those use 
the case sized ones.


Sold for $20 or whatever it was. I mean, it was pretty full but I thought 
it was a strange purchase.


Some loud lady proclaims "Who on earth would pay $20 for a can of screws?" 
Everyone is watching, Geoff just shrugs. Doesn't say anything.


She bids on this beige tower PC. Wins. Goes to pick it up and the cover 
slides right off. A lot of people see this. Kind of mortified she looks 
over at Geoff who is sitting on some furniture running his fingers 
through his $20 can of screws. He loudly says "Hey, I've got screws 
for sale a dollar each" once she looks over. Some are amused some 
confused. The auctioneer chuckles.

[cctalk] Re: VCF and System Source Computer Museum swap meet this weekend

[Douglas Taylor via cctalk]

On 7/19/2023 12:33 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:


On 7/19/2023 11:23 AM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote:

Hi,
I am curious if anyone here might be planning on attending.
https://museum.syssrc.com/artifact/events/3000/


I am heading up there with friends Friday night so we can get there 
early Saturday.


Bringing some stuff to sell, nothing too crazy just odds and ends. 
PICMG Pentium rackmount machine and odds and ends for micros.


Only system on my "to get" list is Acorn Archemedies.

Looking forward to it, and I think System Source might be the #1 
collection in the world. Very cool place.


Say hi if you see me and are on this list.


All this chatter has made me interested in maybe making the drive (a 
bit over 3 hours).


What time does it start on Saturday?  How would we know each other? :-)


bill


Starts at 8AM, I think name tags would be a good idea so we can match a 
name we know only from the list to a face.


Doug

[cctalk] Re: VCF and System Source Computer Museum swap meet this weekend

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

On 7/19/2023 11:23 AM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote:

Hi,
I am curious if anyone here might be planning on attending.
https://museum.syssrc.com/artifact/events/3000/


I am heading up there with friends Friday night so we can get there 
early Saturday.


Bringing some stuff to sell, nothing too crazy just odds and ends. 
PICMG Pentium rackmount machine and odds and ends for micros.


Only system on my "to get" list is Acorn Archemedies.

Looking forward to it, and I think System Source might be the #1 
collection in the world. Very cool place.


Say hi if you see me and are on this list.


All this chatter has made me interested in maybe making the drive (a bit 
over 3 hours).


What time does it start on Saturday?  How would we know each other? :-)


bill

[cctalk] Re: VCF and System Source Computer Museum swap meet this weekend

[Ethan O'Toole via cctalk]

Hi,
I am curious if anyone here might be planning on attending.
https://museum.syssrc.com/artifact/events/3000/


I am heading up there with friends Friday night so we can get there early 
Saturday.


Bringing some stuff to sell, nothing too crazy just odds and ends. PICMG 
Pentium rackmount machine and odds and ends for micros.


Only system on my "to get" list is Acorn Archemedies.

Looking forward to it, and I think System Source might be the #1 
collection in the world. Very cool place.


Say hi if you see me and are on this list.

- Ethan


--
: Ethan O'Toole

[cctalk] Re: VCF and System Source Computer Museum swap meet this weekend

[Chris Zach via cctalk]

Yep, I'm going to the swapfest early Saturday. Bringing a bunch of 
things I just don't need for sale including:


pdp8/e
AF01 (*Negibus A/D converter, 64 channels)
SGI Indigo High Impact
Mac Plus
Dec BA11-S with power supply (working)
Dec backplanes
Lots of Q Bus cards
Some Unibus cards
My Pdp11/24
Pdp11/23+ CPUs
I could bring the BA11-F Unibus Window if the price is right
Diablo drive plus Q Bus adapter

Things like that.

On 7/18/2023 7:56 PM, Mark G Thomas via cctalk wrote:

Hi,

I am curious if anyone here might be planning on attending.

https://museum.syssrc.com/artifact/events/3000/

The Vintage Computer Federation and the System Source Computer Museum are
hosting a vintage computer repair workshop on Saturday July 22nd and
Sunday July 23rd 2023
...

Mark

[cctalk] Re: VCF and System Source Computer Museum swap meet this weekend

[Douglas Taylor via cctalk]

I plan on being there, for me it is a lot closer that the Swap Meet in 
Wall NJ on the same day.


Doug

On 7/18/2023 7:56 PM, Mark G Thomas via cctalk wrote:

Hi,

I am curious if anyone here might be planning on attending.

https://museum.syssrc.com/artifact/events/3000/

The Vintage Computer Federation and the System Source Computer Museum are
hosting a vintage computer repair workshop on Saturday July 22nd and
Sunday July 23rd 2023
...

Mark

[cctalk] Re: VCF and System Source Computer Museum swap meet this weekend

[Chris Zach via cctalk]

Yep, I'm going to the swapfest early Saturday. Bringing a bunch of 
things I just don't need for sale including:


pdp8/e
AF01 (*Negibus A/D converter, 64 channels)
SGI Indigo High Impact
Mac Plus
Dec BA11-S with power supply (working)
Dec backplanes
Lots of Q Bus cards
Some Unibus cards
My Pdp11/24
Pdp11/23+ CPUs
I could bring the BA11-F Unibus Window if the price is right
Diablo drive plus Q Bus adapter

Things like that.

On 7/18/2023 7:56 PM, Mark G Thomas via cctalk wrote:

Hi,

I am curious if anyone here might be planning on attending.

https://museum.syssrc.com/artifact/events/3000/

The Vintage Computer Federation and the System Source Computer Museum are
hosting a vintage computer repair workshop on Saturday July 22nd and
Sunday July 23rd 2023
...

Mark

[cctalk] Re: VCF and System Source Computer Museum swap meet this weekend

[Mike Loewen via cctalk]

System Source
338 Clubhouse Road
Hunt Valley, MD  21031

On Tue, 18 Jul 2023, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:


Is that somewhere in Maryland?


On Tue, 18 Jul 2023, Mark G Thomas via cctalk wrote:


 Hi,

 I am curious if anyone here might be planning on attending.

 https://museum.syssrc.com/artifact/events/3000/

 The Vintage Computer Federation and the System Source Computer Museum are
 hosting a vintage computer repair workshop on Saturday July 22nd and
 Sunday July 23rd 2023
 ...

 Mark

 --
 Mark G. Thomas , KC3DRE





Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology  http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/

[cctalk] Re: VCF and System Source Computer Museum swap meet this weekend

[Jonathan Chapman via cctalk]

> Is that somewhere in Maryland?

Yeah, Cockeysville, just outside Baltimore off I-83.

Thanks,
Jonathan

[cctalk] Re: VCF and System Source Computer Museum swap meet this weekend

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

Is that somewhere in Maryland?


On Tue, 18 Jul 2023, Mark G Thomas via cctalk wrote:


Hi,

I am curious if anyone here might be planning on attending.

https://museum.syssrc.com/artifact/events/3000/

The Vintage Computer Federation and the System Source Computer Museum are
hosting a vintage computer repair workshop on Saturday July 22nd and
Sunday July 23rd 2023
...

Mark

--
Mark G. Thomas , KC3DRE

[cctalk] Re: VCF and System Source Computer Museum swap meet this weekend

[Jonathan Chapman via cctalk]

I'm going, there's going to be a fair bit of Ohio Scientific hacking going on 
this weekend. We're going to try and get my CD-23 hard disk system up and going 
and pull data off it (14" Shugart SA-4008)

Thanks,
Jonathan

--- Original Message ---
On Tuesday, July 18th, 2023 at 19:56, Mark G Thomas via cctalk 
 wrote:


> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am curious if anyone here might be planning on attending.
> 
> https://museum.syssrc.com/artifact/events/3000/
> 
> The Vintage Computer Federation and the System Source Computer Museum are
> hosting a vintage computer repair workshop on Saturday July 22nd and
> Sunday July 23rd 2023
> ...
> 
> Mark
> 
> --
> Mark G. Thomas m...@misty.com, KC3DRE

[cctalk] Re: VCF Southwest 2023 some highlights

[Curious Marc via cctalk]

Very nice writeup!
Marc

> On Jun 26, 2023, at 5:06 AM, Steve Lewis via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> VCF SW was this past weekend near Dallas, Texas.
> 
> Here are some highlights from my perspective.
> 
> https://voidstar.blog/vcf-southwest-2023/
> 
> 
> Most photos you can click to enlarge (Edge has bugs with WordPress, you may
> need to scroll up/down a little bit to get the click thing working)
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Steve

[cctalk] Re: VCF Southwest 2023 some highlights

[Mark Huffstutter via cctalk]

Wow..!!

Very nice collection there, Christian!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Christian Corti via cctalk  
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 12:52 AM
To: Mark Huffstutter via cctalk 
Cc: Christian Corti 
Subject: [cctalk] Re: VCF Southwest 2023 some highlights

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023, Mark Huffstutter wrote:
>   I've never seen an HP-9830A that gorgeous, and with the Companion 
> HP-9866A printer no less, wow!

That setup was quite usual I think. We also have the 8" disk station from 
Infotek (alas, the interface module has been lost, I can't find it). It is 
stacked on top of the 9830 and below the printer.
We also have several peripherals, like HP the papertape reader, plotter, serial 
I/O and external cassette unit.

Christian

[cctalk] Re: VCF Southwest 2023 some highlights

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023, Mark Huffstutter wrote:

I've never seen an HP-9830A that gorgeous, and with the
Companion HP-9866A printer no less, wow!


That setup was quite usual I think. We also have the 8" disk station from 
Infotek (alas, the interface module has been lost, I can't find it). It 
is stacked on top of the 9830 and below the printer.
We also have several peripherals, like HP the papertape reader, plotter, 
serial I/O and external cassette unit.


Christian

[cctalk] Re: VCF Southwest 2023 some highlights

[Tony Duell via cctalk]

On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 12:35 AM Mark Huffstutter via cctalk
 wrote:

> I've never seen an HP-9830A that gorgeous, and with the
> Companion HP-9866A printer no less, wow!

What I'd like to see is an HP9830 with the HP9880 disk system (an
HP7900A drive with a special controller). Any still working?

-tony

[cctalk] Re: VCF Southwest 2023 some highlights

[Mark Huffstutter via cctalk]

Steve,
Thank You very much for taking the time to post your
Mini-tour! I agree with the earlier poster, sure looks like a lot
Of Cool stuff there at Southwest. Would have loved to have
Seen that ADS-B "Radar" setup in person!

I've never seen an HP-9830A that gorgeous, and with the
Companion HP-9866A printer no less, wow!

I had forgotten "END OF LINE" from Cylons in the Galactica
Second series, but I always pretty much considered that they'd
Copped it. The "END OF LINE" quote I remember best was issued
By the Evil MCP Master Control Program in the original TRON, in
1982. My best memory is seeing it in a big theater, now gone, with
A big crowd of fellow Nerds. The first time got quite a humorous 
Response from the crowd...

Thank You!
Mark

-Original Message-
From: Steve Lewis via cctalk  
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 5:05 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Cc: Steve Lewis 
Subject: [cctalk] VCF Southwest 2023 some highlights

VCF SW was this past weekend near Dallas, Texas.

Here are some highlights from my perspective.

https://voidstar.blog/vcf-southwest-2023/


Most photos you can click to enlarge (Edge has bugs with WordPress, you may 
need to scroll up/down a little bit to get the click thing working)


Cheers,
Steve

[cctalk] Re: VCF Southwest 2023 some highlights

[Richard via cctalk]

[private reply]

In article  
you write:
>On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 1:06 PM Steve Lewis via cctalk
> wrote:
>>
>> VCF SW was this past weekend near Dallas, Texas.
>>
>> Here are some highlights from my perspective.
>>
>> https://voidstar.blog/vcf-southwest-2023/
>>
>>
>> Most photos you can click to enlarge (Edge has bugs with WordPress, you
>may
>> need to scroll up/down a little bit to get the click thing working)
>
>I may be talking nonsense, but you describe the Tektronix 4054 as a
>6800-based system. I thought the 4051 used that processor, but the
>4052 and 4054 used a board of AM2900-series bitslice chips that
>implement a processor with an instruction set similar to the 6800 but
>with no BCD operations and some 16 bit extensions.

My understanding is that it was a strict superset of 6800 with some unused
opcodes implemented fo faster math instructions.
--
"The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" free book 
The Terminals Wiki 
 The Computer Graphics Museum 
  Legalize Adulthood! (my blog) 

[cctalk] Re: VCF Southwest 2023 some highlights

[Rick Bensene via cctalk]

Tony D. wrote:


> I may be talking nonsense, but you describe the Tektronix 4054 as a 
> 6800-based system. I 
> thought the 4051 used that processor, but the 4052 and 4054 used a board of 
> AM2900-series
> bitslice chips that implement a processor with an instruction set similar to 
> the 6800
> but with no BCD operations and some 16 bit extensions.

No nonsense at all, Tony.  You are correct.  The architecture of the 4052 and 
4054 were definitely bitslice microcoded implementations of the 6800 CPU, with 
the omissions and additions as you mentioned.

The memory architecture of these computers was also heavily modified to allow 
bank switching of RAM and ROM programmatically to create an address space that 
provided more memory capacity than the 64K address space of the 6800 used in 
the 4051.   

The display subsystem was also modified to allow additions of graphics 
co-processors for doing things like display list processing and refresh vector 
graphics which were drawn at a lower intensity so that the vectors would not be 
stored on the screen.Later, a special CRT was made for the 4054 that had a 
unique storage CRT that had two layers, a green layer and a yellow/orange layer 
of phosphor that could be triggered by different beam intensities, both in 
storage and "write-through" mode that allowed three-color (yellow/orange, 
green, and a mix of the two IIRC), refreshed vector graphics at up to 1000 
vectors per second.Still, it was just fast enough for simple animated 
graphics for things like games and graphical editors that would use refresh 
graphics for placing an object, then writing it in storage mode once it was 
placed.

The special three-color tube was not available in the 4052, only the 4054, but 
the add-on boards for providing the vector write-thru display were compatible 
with the 4052.

The microcoded CPU and improved memory architecture of the 4052/4054 made the 
machines significantly faster at compute-bound tasks.  I/O and display were not 
sped up much by the new architecture, as the speed at which vectors and text 
could be written to the storage tube display was limited by the tube itself, so 
graphics intensive stuff wasn't all that much faster than the 4051.   If the 
graphics involved computing the vectors in real-time, that type of graphics 
would be faster on the 4052/4054 due to the significantly faster computing 
speed of the 2901-based 6800 "clone/extension".   Things like GPIB I/O were 
more limited by the peripheral devices than the CPU itself, so things like I/O 
to the GPIB 4907 8" floppy disc drives, wasn't all that much faster.

I have a 4051 and a 4052A, both working.   Comparing them side-to-side doing 
compute bound things (like finding prime numbers) clearly shows the speed 
advantage of the bit-slice architecture in the 4052.   Drawing "canned" 
graphics is slightly faster on the 4052 simply because the interpretation of 
the BASIC code that does the drawing runs significantly faster, which does make 
a small, but noticeable difference in the time it takes to render an image, 
with the 4052A finishing any given drawing a bit sooner than the 4051.   Floppy 
disc access on the 4907 doesn't seem to be much faster other than the faster 
speed of interpretation of the BASIC program, with the actual speed of 
reading/writing being about the same due mostly to the speed of GPIB 
transactions, and the fixed rate that data is read/written to the floppy.

The 4050-series computers were quite amazing for their time.  Nothing else 
except hugely expensive graphics systems that ran on minicomputers, such as 
those made by Evans & Sutherland and others, could exceed the capabilities of 
the 4050-series machines (especially the 4052 and 4054), and the 4050-series 
machines fit on a desktop and were (other than being rather heavy) relatively 
portable, very easy to use/program, and cost dramatically less than anything 
else.

DVST was a great technology at a time when large amounts of high-speed random 
access memory was very expensive.   Magnetic core that was fast enough was 
quite expensive and complex, and IC-based RAM was just beginning to have 
reasonable capacity, but still ran somewhat slowly, and was also initially 
quite expensive.As the price of fast, high-capacity IC-based RAM came down, 
raster type display systems with bitmapped display memory, and even dedicated 
blitter hardware for shifting bits around in display memory, made 
cost-effective machines with at least equivalent (monochrome) display 
capability in terms of resolution, along with everything (including characters) 
being refreshed graphics straight out of the framebuffer RAM.   Once that 
occurred, the market for DVST shrunk quite dramatically.  Desktop workstations 
(like Sun, Apollo, Perq, etc.) with graphics capabilities that met or exceeded 
those of the 4050-series quickly took the place of these watershed machines.

-Rick
--
Rick Bensene, Curator
The Old Calculator (and some 

[cctalk] Re: VCF Southwest 2023 some highlights

[Ali via cctalk]

> VCF SW was this past weekend near Dallas, Texas.
> 
> Here are some highlights from my perspective.
> 
> https://voidstar.blog/vcf-southwest-2023/
> 

Man there is always cooler stuff at the other VCFs the n VCFW. Just looking at 
those pictures the Compaq 468 Portable is nice and the NEC Multisync XL 
immediately caught my eye. I've had my eye out for one of those for a lng 
time. Nice pictures and thanks for sharing!

-Ali

[cctalk] Re: VCF Southwest 2023 some highlights

[Steve Lewis via cctalk]

I think you're right - I hadn't realized such a shift from the 4051, but
makes sense.  Demos of the original 4051 that I've seen, the system seemed
"painfully slow." Updated to try to clarify, thanks!


On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 7:12 AM Tony Duell  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 1:06 PM Steve Lewis via cctalk
>  wrote:
> >
> > VCF SW was this past weekend near Dallas, Texas.
> >
> > Here are some highlights from my perspective.
> >
> > https://voidstar.blog/vcf-southwest-2023/
> >
> >
> > Most photos you can click to enlarge (Edge has bugs with WordPress, you
> may
> > need to scroll up/down a little bit to get the click thing working)
>
> I may be talking nonsense, but you describe the Tektronix 4054 as a
> 6800-based system. I thought the 4051 used that processor, but the
> 4052 and 4054 used a board of AM2900-series bitslice chips that
> implement a processor with an instruction set similar to the 6800 but
> with no BCD operations and some 16 bit extensions.
>
> -tony
>

[cctalk] Re: VCF Southwest 2023 some highlights

[Tony Duell via cctalk]

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 1:06 PM Steve Lewis via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> VCF SW was this past weekend near Dallas, Texas.
>
> Here are some highlights from my perspective.
>
> https://voidstar.blog/vcf-southwest-2023/
>
>
> Most photos you can click to enlarge (Edge has bugs with WordPress, you may
> need to scroll up/down a little bit to get the click thing working)

I may be talking nonsense, but you describe the Tektronix 4054 as a
6800-based system. I thought the 4051 used that processor, but the
4052 and 4054 used a board of AM2900-series bitslice chips that
implement a processor with an instruction set similar to the 6800 but
with no BCD operations and some 16 bit extensions.

-tony

[cctalk] Re: VCF East 2023 photos

[Ethan O'Toole via cctalk]

It shouldn't be "part of the experience".  It's poor planning and poor
management of the consignment area on the part of the organizers.  This
same thing happened at VCF "West" last year and it was a catastrophe.
There was a line snaking down the hallway at least a fifty people deep and
they were waiting for 2-3 HOURS before it actually started moving.  That
was 2-3 hours that attendees weren't in the exhibit/speaker hall engaging
with the exhibitors and their exhibits, and listening to the speakers.  I'm
really disappointed to hear that, despite their prior experience, it seems
like they have not done anything to address this completely unacceptable
and entirely avoidable scenario.


Every bit of space that is currently available at InfoAge was used for the 
event. Attendence jumped over prior years and the demand was 
unpredictable. The weather in that area can be cold and rainy so outdoors 
use is limited in planning. I figured there would be blowout attendence at 
the 3pm streamer panel in Saturday, but crowd wasn't an issue. Meanwhile 
at the dedicated swap meets at InfoAge attendence wasn't that crazy at the 
last one. Maybe it's because it's tax return time?


If VCF could raise enough money to finish off their new space at InfoAge 
and get a CO that would help a ton next year. But that is quite a bit of 
money intertwined with government legal red tape.


Trust me there will be big discussions about how to try to fix it for the 
future.


Also the event could use more volunteers for next year as well.

- Ethan

[cctalk] Re: VCF East 2023 photos

[Mark Linimon via cctalk]

> On 04/17/2023 9:40 PM GMT Sellam Abraham via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 3am?  If that was happening around here then the shotgun would get
> involved.  Must be mating season.

The next-to-last time I was in Canada, they let me sleep in all the way to 5am.

Also note that they were *right* outside the window in my room.

The only bad thing about my trip.

mcl

[cctalk] Re: VCF East 2023 photos

[Sellam Abraham via cctalk]

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 12:17 PM Steve Lewis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Glad the photos help.  I hope the average general public wasn't too
> disappointed or discouraged by the crowd on Saturday - but I tried to think
> of the positive side, of there still being interest in vintage computing at
> all.A "web cam" preview of the consignment might have helped that line
> - some were interested in a specific thing, then to wait 45min in line to
> find it's already gone.  But I guess that's just part of the experience.
>

It shouldn't be "part of the experience".  It's poor planning and poor
management of the consignment area on the part of the organizers.  This
same thing happened at VCF "West" last year and it was a catastrophe.
There was a line snaking down the hallway at least a fifty people deep and
they were waiting for 2-3 HOURS before it actually started moving.  That
was 2-3 hours that attendees weren't in the exhibit/speaker hall engaging
with the exhibitors and their exhibits, and listening to the speakers.  I'm
really disappointed to hear that, despite their prior experience, it seems
like they have not done anything to address this completely unacceptable
and entirely avoidable scenario.

Sellam, thanks for the note about the geese!!   Honkers, yes, that's very
> appropriate!  But why Honking at 3am!? haha, maybe I don't want to know!?
>

3am?  If that was happening around here then the shotgun would get
involved.  Must be mating season.

Sellam

[cctalk] Re: VCF East 2023 photos

[Bill Degnan via cctalk]

Most of these photos were from the 9032 room, not the ballroom's exhibits,
but I will share my photos asap too as will others.
B

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 3:18 PM Steve Lewis via cctalk 
wrote:

> Glad the photos help.  I hope the average general public wasn't too
> disappointed or discouraged by the crowd on Saturday - but I tried to think
> of the positive side, of there still being interest in vintage computing at
> all.A "web cam" preview of the consignment might have helped that line
> - some were interested in a specific thing, then to wait 45min in line to
> find it's already gone.  But I guess that's just part of the experience.
>
> For exhibits, the interior noise/acustics got loud and made hard to engage
> and ask questions (since you couldn't even hear them across the table).
> I also felt a little guilty of intentionally getting there early to get a
> close parking spot.   I mean, I don't think there is anything really wrong
> with that - but if I know I'm going to be there all day, I wouldn't mind
> parking further away and taking a shuttle bus.   In my defense, I knew I'd
> be getting things from consignment and wanted to drop them back to the car
> (I just got some of the laptops).
>
>
> Sellam, thanks for the note about the geese!!   Honkers, yes, that's very
> appropriate!  But why Honking at 3am!? haha, maybe I don't want to know!?
>
>
> I'm on travel again for the rest of this week, so kind of rushed to get
> notes up today before heading back to the airport.
>
>
> -Steve
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 1:04 PM Brian L. Stuart 
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you very much for posting these pictures.  I ended up having to
> > cancel my plans at the last minute due to covid.  Yeah, I had succeeded
> > in avoiding it for 3 years, but it finally caught up to me.
> >
> > BLS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 05:39:04 PM UTC, Steve Lewis via cctalk <
> > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Videos are nice, but I still like to make a kind of "scrap book" of
> events
> > I've been to.  Link is below.
> >
> > Also, most exhibitors were occupied interacting with the public and maybe
> > didn't get a chance to see what else was presented at this VCF.  Or,
> maybe
> > they didn't get to see what all else the museum and local area had to
> > present - so seeing photos might give them ideas of things to check out
> > next time.
> >
> > Or, in general, for anyone not able to attend, here are some photos also.
> >
> > https://voidstar.blog/vcf-east-2023/
> >
> >
> > Feel free to use/share, no permission needed.
> >
>

[cctalk] Re: VCF East 2023 photos

[Steve Lewis via cctalk]

Glad the photos help.  I hope the average general public wasn't too
disappointed or discouraged by the crowd on Saturday - but I tried to think
of the positive side, of there still being interest in vintage computing at
all.A "web cam" preview of the consignment might have helped that line
- some were interested in a specific thing, then to wait 45min in line to
find it's already gone.  But I guess that's just part of the experience.

For exhibits, the interior noise/acustics got loud and made hard to engage
and ask questions (since you couldn't even hear them across the table).
I also felt a little guilty of intentionally getting there early to get a
close parking spot.   I mean, I don't think there is anything really wrong
with that - but if I know I'm going to be there all day, I wouldn't mind
parking further away and taking a shuttle bus.   In my defense, I knew I'd
be getting things from consignment and wanted to drop them back to the car
(I just got some of the laptops).


Sellam, thanks for the note about the geese!!   Honkers, yes, that's very
appropriate!  But why Honking at 3am!? haha, maybe I don't want to know!?


I'm on travel again for the rest of this week, so kind of rushed to get
notes up today before heading back to the airport.


-Steve





On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 1:04 PM Brian L. Stuart 
wrote:

> Thank you very much for posting these pictures.  I ended up having to
> cancel my plans at the last minute due to covid.  Yeah, I had succeeded
> in avoiding it for 3 years, but it finally caught up to me.
>
> BLS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 05:39:04 PM UTC, Steve Lewis via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Videos are nice, but I still like to make a kind of "scrap book" of events
> I've been to.  Link is below.
>
> Also, most exhibitors were occupied interacting with the public and maybe
> didn't get a chance to see what else was presented at this VCF.  Or, maybe
> they didn't get to see what all else the museum and local area had to
> present - so seeing photos might give them ideas of things to check out
> next time.
>
> Or, in general, for anyone not able to attend, here are some photos also.
>
> https://voidstar.blog/vcf-east-2023/
>
>
> Feel free to use/share, no permission needed.
>

[cctalk] Re: VCF East 2023 photos

[Steve Lewis via cctalk]

W2HX,

Im hosted by WordPress - and I've noticed this about their sites, the
hyperlinks are sometimes "not selectable" (this includes links in images
too).  I sometimes I have to "wiggle the page" (scroll up or down a bit)
first.   I'm not sure if it a little easter egg they do to penalize Windows
users, or a browser bug in Edge or something.   But I've noticed in other
WordPress hosted pages, and also when using an entirely different computer
(such as at my parents house in Florida).   I've been meaning to send them
a support message about it, it's something I've noticed for over a year now.






On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 12:52 PM W2HX via cctalk 
wrote:

> Thanks for taking the time to document the show. I went to the link
> provided and only PART 1 and PART 6 link to other pages. Are parts 2-5 just
> not written yet? Or a bug in the html?
>
>
> 73 Eugene W2HX
> Subscribe to my Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Lewis via cctalk 
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 1:38 PM
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> Cc: Steve Lewis 
> Subject: [cctalk] VCF East 2023 photos
>
> Videos are nice, but I still like to make a kind of "scrap book" of events
> I've been to.  Link is below.
>
> Also, most exhibitors were occupied interacting with the public and maybe
> didn't get a chance to see what else was presented at this VCF.  Or, maybe
> they didn't get to see what all else the museum and local area had to
> present - so seeing photos might give them ideas of things to check out
> next time.
>
> Or, in general, for anyone not able to attend, here are some photos also.
>
> https://voidstar.blog/vcf-east-2023/
>
>
> Feel free to use/share, no permission needed.
>

[cctalk] Re: VCF East 2023 photos

[W2HX via cctalk]

Links are working now. Maybe a problem on my side, or maybe there were fixed. 
But thanks again for posting this


73 Eugene W2HX
Subscribe to my Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
 

-Original Message-
From: W2HX via cctalk  
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 1:52 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Cc: W2HX 
Subject: [cctalk] Re: VCF East 2023 photos

Thanks for taking the time to document the show. I went to the link provided 
and only PART 1 and PART 6 link to other pages. Are parts 2-5 just not written 
yet? Or a bug in the html?


73 Eugene W2HX
Subscribe to my Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
 

-Original Message-
From: Steve Lewis via cctalk  
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 1:38 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Cc: Steve Lewis 
Subject: [cctalk] VCF East 2023 photos

Videos are nice, but I still like to make a kind of "scrap book" of events I've 
been to.  Link is below.

Also, most exhibitors were occupied interacting with the public and maybe 
didn't get a chance to see what else was presented at this VCF.  Or, maybe they 
didn't get to see what all else the museum and local area had to present - so 
seeing photos might give them ideas of things to check out next time.

Or, in general, for anyone not able to attend, here are some photos also.

https://voidstar.blog/vcf-east-2023/


Feel free to use/share, no permission needed.