Re: Can I ask why this place has been taken over by Brian Thornton aka CFDeveloper

[Aaron Rouse]

I agree with this.

Personally I think it switching to a digest would lesson the chances
of someone seeing a job that might apply to them. But guess that
opinion only applies if they subscribe to the CF Jobs list itself in
non-digest format.

Sent from my iPad Nano

On Apr 12, 2012, at 8:52 AM, "Christian N. Abad"
 wrote:

>
> Jordan:
>
> I agree with you!  I personally feel that Brian Thornton is performing a
> fantastic service for the CF Community in general.
>
> Thank You, Brian!  :-)
>
> Personally, I have seen over 15 possible job opportunities from Brian's
> postings that are an excellent fit for my skillset, although I'm not
> currently looking at this time (but  I do like to keep my finger on the
> pulse of this list).
>
> Just my $0.02 as well...
>
> Cheers!
>
> Christian N. Abad - President
>
> Accessible Computing, Inc.
> 1210 McLaughlin Drive
> Charlotte, NC 28212
> http://www.AccessibleComputing.com
>
> 704.900.1825 (Direct Line)
> li...@accessiblecomputing.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:jor...@viviotech.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:30 PM
> To: cf-jobs-talk
> Subject: Re: Can I ask why this place has been taken over by Brian Thornton
> aka CFDeveloper
>
>
> Not that my opinion really matters here, but I don't see the problem.
>
> That is a CF-Jobs list, and the posts are listing real jobs. Is that not the
> content that the majority of subscribers of CF-Jobs are wanting? I would
> hardly call posts with legitimate content "spam" simply because a single
> person (who isn't interested in the content anyway) doesn't like it. The
> content is true to the purpose of the list. No big deal.
>
> My $0.02.
>
> -Jordan
>
>
>
> On 04/11/2012 12:49 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to ask Brian to send a daily summary or something like it.
>> The amount of generated posts are hiding the individual posts from
>> others.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Larry C. Lyons
> wrote:
>>>
>>> These are legitimate jobs however. It appears that Brian has written
>>> an app that goes through Craigslist looking for CF related jobs. That
>>> would be a community service if you ask me.
>>>
>>> BTW jerry, lets keep this confined to cf-jobs-talk and not clutter up
> cf-jobs.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> larry
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Jerry Albright
>>>   wrote:

 His non stop spam is ridiculous.  Is anyone in charge here?  Is this
> place simply a free-for-all? Left to the demise of someone who thinks it's
> helpful to soak this place with Craigslist ads?

 Wow.  This is ridiculous.


>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: [JOB] Junior CF Developer, New York City

[Aaron Rouse]

And without knowing anything about the applications it seems odd to me that
one could assume PHP is a step backwards.  I looked at a "coldfusion
application" yesterday that was VERY simplistic and they were losing their
server/software.  So I could have told them it will take X amount of hours
to make it work on a newer version of CF and that newer version of CF would
cost X for the software and setup or hosting in the data center would cost X
per month.  Instead as much as I HATE(I want to crush the skull of who ever
is responsible for it existing) SharePoint I told them they really could
just rebuild this on the corporate SharePoint server in a days time and not
spend a dime and still have the same business need met.

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:33 PM, David Wilf  wrote:

>
> I do not think Phillip was criticizing the use of other technologies. He
> was
> confused as to why a decision was made to remove CF code and replace it
> with
> PHP code. There are times that a political factor will override solid
> technical solutions which may be the case here.
>
> Thanks
> David Wilf PMP
> Program Manager
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ray Champagne [mailto:r...@raychampagne.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:26 PM
> To: cf-jobs-talk
> Subject: Re: [JOB] Junior CF Developer, New York City
>
>
> Personally, I think it's on-topic.
>
> I use both PHP and CF in my work life.  I still prefer CF, but I'm not
> going
> to turn down a job because I have drank the CF kool-aid.
>
> Only having one tool in your toolbox and shutting out anyone who suggests
> that you use another tool is kinda ignorant.  Sorry if that is a little
> harsh, but you're only limiting yourself with that attitude.
>
> Let the battle begin.  :)
>
> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Beau Gould (OSS) <
> b...@open-source-staffing.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > "They are planning to migrate some of their sites to PHP"
> >
> > "Some" is the key word.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: phillipvec...@gmail.com [mailto:phillipvec...@gmail.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > Phillip Vector
> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:15 PM
> > To: cf-jobs-talk@houseoffusion.com
> > Cc: b...@open-source-staffing.com
> > Subject: Re: [JOB] Junior CF Developer, New York City
> >
> >
> > Perhaps you shouldn't look on a ColdFusion list for people to move a site
> > AWAY from ColdFusion to a language that is less efficient and will end up
> > costing your client more in the long run.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Beau Gould (OSS)
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > My New York City client is seeking is a motivated Junior CF Developer
> > > who wants to crank out code and make a name for him/herself.  Salary
> > > is going to be around 45-55k
> > >
> > > What they really really want is someone who can manage ColdFusion
> > > *and* PHP, because they are planning to migrate some of their sites to
> > > PHP.  Honestly, someone who only *kinda* knows ColdFusion will be
> > > fine, as long as he/she is smart and ambitious, and willing to put in
> > > the effort to learn and to solve problems.
> > >
> > > I should be able to fill this role at light speed, but I need the
> > > applicants to do it.  Please submit your resume (preferably in
> > > MS-Word) and your salary requirements to
> > > beau[AT]open-source-staffing.com
> > >
> > > * US Citizens or Green Card holders only
> > > * Tri-state (NY, NJ, CT) residents only
> > > * 100% on-site job in New York City
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Beau J. Gould
> > > --
> > > Open Source Staffing
> > > http://www.open-source-staffing.com
> > > http://www.facebook.com/beau.gould
> > > beau[AT]open-source-staffing.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Thinking of a career change.. how does one get into Technical Recruiting..

[Aaron Rouse]

I do not blame the companies one bit.  I think they are getting around the
H1B visa need here via just bringing them stateside briefly for training and
then shipping them back to their home countries to do the job.  Perhaps I am
wrong on that though, I do not know much about how all the different visas
work.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Ravi Gehlot  wrote:

>
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/19/economy-slumps-firms-line-hire-skilled-foreign-workers/
>
>
>
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Re: Thinking of a career change.. how does one get into Technical Recruiting..

[Aaron Rouse]

Or even themselves for the long run but in the shortrun it will make the
stock holders happy.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Jeffry Houser  wrote:

>
> RobG wrote:
> > I like Ravi's positive outlook, but I have to somewhat disagree and say
> > that there are lots of companies that will, without hesitation, do
> > what's best for them, regardless of how loyal you've been or how hard
> > you've worked.
>  If it is a publicly traded company, it is illegal (in the US) to do
> anything else.  The only responsibility the company has is to its
> shareholders.  It is not uncommon for companies to change or do things
> that are not in the best interests of their employees, partners, or
> customers.
>
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Re: Thinking of a career change.. how does one get into Technical Recruiting..

[Aaron Rouse]

>From what I gathered last week it is not just within their boarders.  Like I
mentioned someone here is already looking into outsourcing work to an outfit
out of Brazil.  About 7 years ago I worked on a project here that was with a
Brazilian.  Shared an office with him for about a year before he moved back
and he has been working remotely from there ever since.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Ravi Gehlot  wrote:

>
> Hello Aaron,
>
> Right. I read that on the Washington Post the other day. I heard that
> Brazil has had an increase in tech jobs and more people are employed
> there these days. However, their jobs are not so much outsourced jobs
> from other countries but jobs created  within their boundaries. Not sure
> how that's working though. Brazil is investing big bucks on education.
> They are creating more private schools than they ever created before
> which is good. Hopefully in years to come there will be more qualified
> Brazilians and more research coming from there.
>
> I have lived and worked in Brazil, Portugal, Canada and US. I have never
> experienced a market as aggressive as the US market. You work a lot here
> and you stress a lot. They take the milk out of you here. There is
> nothing like a "laid back" job in the US but we get remunerated and we
> learn a lot. The more the demand, the more one works and researches.
> Indeed, you become a better employee you are always going something here.
>
> Ravi.
>
>
>
>


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Re: Thinking of a career change.. how does one get into Technical Recruiting..

[Aaron Rouse]

Have you heard that Brazil is quickly becoming the next country to outsource
IT work to?  I heard that just last week, it is something one manager here
is looking into even though it is not technically "east" but he likes the
idea of at least having people close to the same time zone he is in.
Your experience with outsource work matches exactly what I have experienced
over the past 10 years or so.  I have been told, nothing to validate this,
that the quality of the outsourced work has greatly improved in recent
years.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Ravi Gehlot  wrote:

>
> Hello Aaron,
>
> I have worked for companies that outsourced their jobs to India.
> Probably, I should NOT mention company names for privacy purposes but I
> will tell of my experience. I am not trying to put India down or attack
> Indian people. This is just my personal experience. I do think that
> Indian people are smart people. In fact, my dad is Indian and my mom is
> Brazilian. I was born and raised in Brazil though so my culture is
> Brazilian without any Indian influence (yes, no influence). However, all
> these companies I worked for that outsourced their code to India ended
> up with bad code. Think about messy code. It was a real mess. No
> standards, no guidelines, no comments or documentation of any kind, no
> code indentation, no orientation or organization whatsoever. A total
> junk of code. I would often open a cfm file that contained 5,000 lines
> of code. Most of it was code that was not even being utilized. It felt
> like the code had been patched up over and over again. So these
> companies ended up having to employ people from here to fix or start
> from scratch. My personal experience with outsourced work has always
> been very bad due to bad coding habits. Not to mention the communication
> gap. As the old saying..."You get what you pay for" is very true with
> outsourced jobs. I mean, we have the work force available in the US to
> do what these companies need. I say..let's stop outsourcing our jobs.
> But who am I to say anything. I am from Brazil...I guess if I were in
> Brazil and I had an outsourced job there...I would take it in a heart
> bit (survival of the fittest). But my advise to companies here in the US
> is trust your employees. Let them do the work and pay them well. It will
> pay off on the long run.
>
> I think that here in the US...most programmers are aware of code
> organization and most are well prepared to do the job. Will other
> countries catch up? Hell yeah...it won't take long...but man...right
> now...no India please. The code is bad.
>
> As far as "servant" goes...like I said..it is tougher for foreigners
> anyways but take the opportunity to work here because at least you and
> me and others have these opportunities available (jobs in South America
> or Europe don't pay good at all). Make no mistake...the economy will get
> better. It will improve by the end of next year and all these tech jobs
> will come back. It may not be as great as it was before but it will pick
> up again.
>
> Just my $0.02,
> Ravi.


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Re: Thinking of a career change.. how does one get into Technical Recruiting..

[Aaron Rouse]

Interesting outlook although over here at least the CIO's message to
managers is move all development to the east(they are referring to India)
because "we are not an IT company".  I had a meeting last week with a local
manager and he told me they are seeing a 50% drop in efficiency by moving
things to the east then he mentioned another 20% drop but I forget what that
was for.  He then went on to say how he then ends up paying for a competent
PM locally to interface with one overseas whereas before he would have
developers who wore the PM hat under his direction.  Overall he said he is
ending up with lesser quality work and paying more money but has been forced
to go this direction.  So basically the quality and integrity of the current
workers means very little to the higher ups here.

I'd like to think that I do a really good and honest job and for fair rates.
 I know I certainly have plenty of references to back that thought up.
 However more times than not I feel like I am treated more like a "servant"
than anything else.

Guess I should get back to working on the training document I am making to
use to train the overseas based developers that are replacing me in upcoming
months.  Oh the joys of corporate IT.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Ravi Gehlot  wrote:

>
> Hello Jeffry,
>
> I hear that a lotI believe that there is good and bad
> everywhere. In my opinion, if you are really good and you do your job
> honestly, no matter who you are (native or foreigner), that you will get
> paid fairly and you will not be treated as servants (not sure about
> other countries). Be it a foreigner or a native, it does not really
> matter anymore. It may have mattered in the past but not anymore. I do
> not believe that foreigners are taking away the jobs natives can do (I
> refer to computer related jobs). I believe that natives are choosing the
> best work force for their current needs.
>
> Do I think that it is somewhat harder for foreigners than it is for
> natives? Yes. I do think that it is but this is a country of
> opportunity. The kind of opportunity that you will never find elsewhere.
> So I would take any hardness that I find here for a chance to better
> myself.
>
> H1B Visas are HARDLY being issued (so I hear). Its almost unheard of
> these days. Either you come here on a student visa (I-20 co-op program)
> or you better have a Green Card. H1B Visas can cost a LOT of money to
> companies and it is ONLY worth in exceptional cases. I heard about a
> company that brought this Chinese dude that was phenomenal. He could do
> virtually anything you can imagine. He was one of a kind
> programmer...very smart...later got admitted at MIT and today if I am
> not mistaken he works for NASA. The company sponsored his Green Card and
> everything. Only those kind of people are getting H1B Visas these days
> (so I heard). It is very selective these days.
>
> My sister is a Canadian citizen and she was telling me about Canadian
> immigration laws the other day. She told me that in order for anyone to
> enter Canada that they need to be qualified. The Canadians have a score
> system. You need to have a certain score in order to enter Canada. So
> for example, if you have a bachelors degree you automatically get more
> points. If you have a valid work history then that also counts towards
> your score. This way only the qualified people get in. What I love about
> Canada is that once they filtered everyone, they make it easy for you to
> get the Canadian citizenship. Forget about this bullshit of Green Card.
> There are no talks about foreigners being servants in Canadians (so I
> hear). I just think that we should implement some type of score system
> or "qualification measurement" so to only let those who are qualified
> into the country. Indeed, make it easy for newcomers to get their Green
> Cards.
>
> woww...OK! I gotta work now...got carried away...anyways...cya
>
> Ravi.
>
>


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Re: Thinking of a career change.. how does one get into Technical Recruiting..

[Aaron Rouse]

I know the people I work for appreciate those real skills coming to this
country.  They like the fact they can pay 50% or less for the skills v. what
local people want with the same skills.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Qasim Rasheed wrote:

>
> Scott,
>
> I know your comments weren't directed towards anyone in particular and I
> have also seen the misuse of the program myself. However the thing that
> bothers me that people try to put all the blame on this program. I know, I
> came to this country legally, paid all my taxes for 7+ years and earned my
> green card. I hope we all appreciate the usefulness of real skills coming
> to
> this country (which I am now proud to call my second home).
>
> Thanks
>
> Qasim
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Scott Stewart  >wrote:
>
> >
> > There's nothing wrong with the program, if as you said it's used
> > appropriately. But it is a program that needs to be tightened up by the
> new
> > administration so that there is less chance for abuse.
> >
> > Unfortunately it's a program that I've personally been burned by a couple
> > of
> > times.
> >
> > Qasim, I hope you understand that my comments don't reflect on you
> > personally.
> >
> > --
> > Scott Stewart
> > ColdFusion Developer
> > 4405 Oakshyre Way
> > Raleigh, NC 27616
> > (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Qasim Rasheed [mailto:qasim.li...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:32 PM
> > To: cf-jobs-talk
> > Subject: Re: Thinking of a career change.. how does one get into
> Technical
> > Recruiting..
> >
> >
> > What's wrong with H1B visa if used appropriately. I came to this country
> > based on that facility and have been able to become a permanent citizen.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Ravi Gehlot 
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Correct. There are good recruiters as there are bad ones. There are
> good
> > > and bad everywhere. So it is important to work with someone that you
> > > trust. Every programmer must do their own research.
> > >
> > > Ravi.
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott Stewart wrote:
> > > > I've worked with both, if I do go down this road I know who I don't
> > want
> > > to
> > > > be and that the guy who recruits by attrition. I've been the
> recipient
> > of
> > > > the fishing email and phone calls dozens of times, and it's never
> > panned
> > > > out.
> > > >
> > > > Someone with horribly broken English calls about a job half way
> across
> > > the
> > > > country and my first response is "are they considering
> telecommuters",
> > > the
> > > > answer is usually no, or "what?".
> > > >
> > > > My next question is "is your client willing to contract a relocation
> > > company
> > > > to move myself and my wife and buy our house". The answer again is
> > > usually
> > > > no, and then they ask if I'm willing to rent an apartment wherever
> the
> > > job
> > > > is, my answer is always no, because by this point, their asking me to
> > > take a
> > > > financial loss to work for their client.
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand there are a handful of recruiters with whom I have
> > had
> > > > very very successful relationships with, and one in particular who
> has
> > > > become a pretty good friend.. why, because they're honest stand up
> > people
> > > > who look at prospective employment candidates as something more than
> > just
> > > an
> > > > email address or a means to fulfill US State Department guidelines,
> to
> > > bring
> > > > in H1B Visas candidates.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Scott Stewart
> > > > ColdFusion Developer
> > > > 4405 Oakshyre Way
> > > > Raleigh, NC 27616
> > > > (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Quick response needed...

[Aaron Rouse]

I know plenty of senior people making around that, some more and some less.
 So do not see that out of the range of possibility, now if you lack a
college degree it becomes a good bit harder since the big companies that pay
that much for employees do want those pieces of paper. The vacation though,
I have had horrible luck in finding places that starting off would over
beyond 3 weeks and most want to do 2 weeks.


On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Dave Phillips <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Three questions:
>
>
>
> 1. What is the average salary 'range' for CF developers right now in the US
> ?  I have my own idea, but I'd like to know others.  I'm talking a Senior
> developer (10+ years in CF).  Regardless of location, there should be a
> 'range'.
>
>
>
> 2. Is $105,000 per year feasible for a Senior CF Developer for a job in
> America with 5 weeks paid vacation and 10 paid holidays?
>
>
>
> 3. Anyone know any recruiters who specialize in placing ColdFusion
> Developers?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> P.S. I apologize for those who get this on cf-community also, but I need a
> wide response.
>
>
>
> 

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Re: CF Job Market

[Aaron Rouse]

I have been working with it since it basically came out in the 90s.  I do
some OO and some procedural, it really depends on who I am doing work for.
 For example some of the places I do work for have their own inhouse
frameworks and methodologies which are not OO but that is what you use when
you do work for them.  Then at the same time I might be doing an all OO
based application for some other client because either they requested it or
they did not specify and I just wanted to do it that way.  When I look at
people with 10+ years of experience I think beyond what their CF skills are,
I think of where their SQL skills should be amongst other things like JS and
so on but SQL probably is the bigger one for me.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:03 PM, CF Developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I hope neither of you are making that a stereotype. I have 10 years as a CF
> developer, and EVERYTHING I do is OO, and I have a fundamental understanding
> of it, and use the usual OO frameworks like Mach-ii, ColdSpring, and
> Transfer (although I have developed OO apps without a front controller,
> too), and even built my own (closed, sorry) framework to solve specialized
> problems that the standard frameworks didn't. I have architected
> high-traffic, high-volume and high-revenue enterprise applications. Would
> you see 10 years on my resume and throw it out? I hope not.
>
> I didn't post this looking for work, as I have a fulltime job (parttime
> freelance OK). I just wanted to respond to this thread.
>
> 

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Re: CF Job Market

[Aaron Rouse]

I am not looking for work and have not been in a long time but I still
continue to get contacted by places looking to hire people with my skill
set.  To me it does not seem like the market has lesson any and perhaps has
even increased.  I am sure that greatly depends on where someone is located
amongst other things.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Dave Phillips <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> My job will be ending sometime next year due to a merger.  I'm a Senior
> level CF Developer with 10+ years experience.  I am wondering what the job
> market is looking like out there for us senior type CF developers with the
> economy the way it is here in the US.
>
>
>
> What I'm concerned about most that I see is more job descriptions asking
> for
> mid-level and junior developers, and lower salaries for those as well.  I'm
> wondering if I might have trouble finding a job when the time comes because
> my salary demands would be too high and/or the employer would rather pay
> someone a lower salary for less experience, thinking they are getting the
> same efficiency.
>
>
>
> Please share whatever your thoughts are on this topic.  I think this thread
> will be useful for anyone visiting it in the next 12-18 months, so let's
> really try to provide some good 'intel', if you will on the 'near future'
> CF
> market.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Dave Phillips
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Something a little sad Coldfusion to J2EE

[Aaron Rouse]

They maybe have already evaluated and decided against it.  Our big internal
collaboration tool was originally written in ColdFusion and they ultimately
finally migrated/re-wrote it all in a Java web-based solution.   I do not
know their reasoning but I do know they looked into several options and
ultimately this was the route they decided on.  Of course after all that now
there is talk of trying to replace it with SharePoint in the upcoming years
but no telling if that will actually happen.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Vicky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Maybe someone needs to tell them that...
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
>
> > especially when all you really have to do is install CF MX + in a
> > multiserver configuration
> >
> > Joshua O'Connor-Rose wrote:
> > > I saw this recent post on a job board
> > >
> > > Description:
> > > Participate in the conversion of Fortune 100 client corporate website
> > from a
> > > Cold Fusion environment to a Java/J2EE environment. Complete object
> > oriented
> > > design, development, and testing tasks for current and new Internet
> > > functionality using a variety of technologies, including Java, JSF,
> > Tiles,
> > > and PL/SQL.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Scott Stewart
> > ColdFusion Developer
> >
> > Office of Research Information Systems
> > Research & Economic Development
> > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
> >
> > Phone:(919)843-2408
> > Fax: (919)962-3600
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: CTO Opportunity

[Aaron Rouse]

Yeah but your friend was hunting for a job and pushing/leading people
towards a resume and him.  My question was more towards people who just have
their resumes sitting out there on their personal sites and in a completely
unprotected manner.  I would guess that 90% of the blogs I randomly go to
that the owners of those also have their resume sitting on the same sites.
 Would also guess probably 90% of the people I have worked with in this
industry have their resumes on their personal websites.

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Ravi Gehlot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Just my $0.02 cents.
>
> Aaron,
>
>The problem begins when you try to find a job while still on a job.
> If your boss finds out that you are indeed on the look out for a new
> opportunity then it may sparkle misunderstandings and misconceptions. I
> had a friend once that did really well on his project and he had gotten
> bonuses and all the good stuff. The contract was at its final stage and
> he needed to make more money because his wife was pregnant with twins.
> It so happens that he sent an e-mail to a mailing list of which his boss
> was also a subscriber. The e-mail had information about his skills, a
> link for his resume and that he was looking for a new opportunity to
> make more money. His resume was open to the public.. His boss called him
> 5 minutes after he sent that e-mail and cursed him to death saying that
> it was unethical to say that my friend was not well paid after all the
> bonuses and everything. It sparkled so much trouble that he got out of
> the company.
>Indeed, my friend had done his job well. The project had been 95%
> delivered and he was looking for a better opportunity. With his wife
> pregnant, it was a perfect time to look for a new chance to make more
> money. Instead, because of a misunderstanding with having his public
> resume open to the public, he ended in a bad situation. His boss later
> told him that it will be harder to find programmers because people may
> think that he does not pay well. Whih in part, is true.
>
> Just my $0.02 cents,
> Ravi.
>
>


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Re: CTO Opportunity

[Aaron Rouse]

What is so wrong with having publicly viewable resumes?  I come across
people's personal websites all the time that have that.  I could
understand how maybe having them viewable to lord and everyone else
and containing perhaps a home address might be a mistake.

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Phillip M. Vector
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know and I'm sorry Adam. I meant that as a private message to you as well.
>
> As for permissions, you can set your document to only be readable by
> certain people. He can put in the email of the person who he wants to
> see it and block out everyone else.
>
> Heh.. Yes, I do see the irony of not cutting and pasting your email when
> you forgot as well. Again, I'm sorry.
>
> Levi Wallach wrote:
>> It's pretty obvious this was a goof on Adam's part by just hitting reply 
>> rather than copying in the original sender's email address.  This happens to 
>> everyone and there's no reason to call attention to it - I'm sure Adam is 
>> already embarrassed and perhaps a little concerned that his current employer 
>> might see the message.  I don't understand what you  mean by permissions.  
>> It has nothing to do with permissions, just a mistake that all of us make 
>> from time to time, to varying degrees of consequence...
>>
>> 
>> From: Phillip M. Vector [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 3:42 PM
>> To: cf-jobs-talk
>> Subject: Re: CTO Opportunity
>>
>> Perhaps putting your resume online for all to see isn't the smartest
>> idea. Was this intended as a reply to the person?
>>
>> If so, I'd recommend you check out the permissions setting.
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: The next level...

[Aaron Rouse]

I have seen some people talking about getting MBAs and then getting I think
it is called PMI certified.  Might be something worth looking into.  I know
at the place I do the bulk of my work that they are big into Six Sigma and
recall a recent job posting I was looking at asking about the PMI deal.  I
am in a similar boat as you in that I have a ton of IT experience and I
really think that the MBA plus the experience would amount for a lot.

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Dave Phillips <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks all...I appreciate this discussion.
>
> You are right in that I had very little math classes (0 believe it or not).
> So getting a BS in CS might actually take longer than an MBA would.  I
> would
> hope that a prospective employer would recognize my 20 years of IT
> experience along with my MBA and that it would be sufficient.  I will look
> into some other Masters programs though.  I do think that the BSCS is
> probably not a good idea.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:39 AM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Re: The next level...
>
> The school I am going to for this CIS degree had some tracts similar to
> those and one for databases.  Unfortunately by the time I got to the point
> where I could take those classes they did away with the tracts and actually
> are talking about changing it from a CIS to an MIS degree.  Actually would
> prefer the latter since it is simple more recognizable.  The masters in
> project management that I looked into was not a whole lot of credit hours.
> It is designed to be taking after work and I think takes just one year to
> finish up.  I have heard of some MBA programs with a computer science focus
> but never looked into them since not seen an local offering of those.  What
> I have seen though is anything that has a computer science focus has a lot
> of math pre-requisites and typically just not classes people take in
> business or in this case religion degrees.  I'd think to go that route
> would
> take up a lot of time just to get the pre-requisites out of the way.
>
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Todd Ashworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
>
> > I am extremely fortunate.  I am back in school full time for a new degree
> > program called Information Design.  It's a subset of the school's CS
> > degree.
> > There are 4 focuses one can choose from, including Web Application
> > Development and Interactive Media (design, layout, graphics, etc.).  From
> > there, I plan on getting an MBA with a Project Management focus.  It's
> only
> > 9 credit hours for the poject management thing at my school, so I believe
> > it
> > is a good investment of my time.  Check with your college to see if they
> > have something similar.  Like Aaron said, you might be able to get by
> with
> > just that instead of redoing the entire CS degree, though that has its
> > benifits as well.
> >
> > I never got my degree to begin with and am now making up for past
> mistakes.
> > Were I in your position, I would have serious reservations about spending
> > the time to complete a second Bachelor's degree.  Most colleges have a
> > career advisor or two that will know what degrees are in demand and what
> is
> > useful for you and what is not.  I suggest you talk to one of them.
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Dave Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Jobs-Talk" 
> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:11 AM
> > Subject: The next level...
> >
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I've been developing CF applications for over 10 years now.  I've
> > > architected applications as well, taking them from concept through
> > design,
> > > development, and implementation.  I am now interested in making the
> shift
> > > into management.  I'm not quite sure how to proceed and how to present
> > > myself.  Several years ago, I did manager my own team of developers,
> but
> > > it
> > > was for my own company.  I have since sold that company and have worked
> > > for
> > > other companies since 2005.
> > >
> > > Although I have 20 years of experience in IT, my Bachelor's degree is a
> > BA
> > > in Religion and it is recent, from 2003 anyway.  I've considered going
> > > back
> > > and getting a BS in Computer Science/Software Engineering, and then
> going
> > > on
> > > to get an MBA.  I want to position myself to not only be a manager n

Re: The next level...

[Aaron Rouse]

The school I am going to for this CIS degree had some tracts similar to
those and one for databases.  Unfortunately by the time I got to the point
where I could take those classes they did away with the tracts and actually
are talking about changing it from a CIS to an MIS degree.  Actually would
prefer the latter since it is simple more recognizable.  The masters in
project management that I looked into was not a whole lot of credit hours.
It is designed to be taking after work and I think takes just one year to
finish up.  I have heard of some MBA programs with a computer science focus
but never looked into them since not seen an local offering of those.  What
I have seen though is anything that has a computer science focus has a lot
of math pre-requisites and typically just not classes people take in
business or in this case religion degrees.  I'd think to go that route would
take up a lot of time just to get the pre-requisites out of the way.

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Todd Ashworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I am extremely fortunate.  I am back in school full time for a new degree
> program called Information Design.  It's a subset of the school's CS
> degree.
> There are 4 focuses one can choose from, including Web Application
> Development and Interactive Media (design, layout, graphics, etc.).  From
> there, I plan on getting an MBA with a Project Management focus.  It's only
> 9 credit hours for the poject management thing at my school, so I believe
> it
> is a good investment of my time.  Check with your college to see if they
> have something similar.  Like Aaron said, you might be able to get by with
> just that instead of redoing the entire CS degree, though that has its
> benifits as well.
>
> I never got my degree to begin with and am now making up for past mistakes.
> Were I in your position, I would have serious reservations about spending
> the time to complete a second Bachelor's degree.  Most colleges have a
> career advisor or two that will know what degrees are in demand and what is
> useful for you and what is not.  I suggest you talk to one of them.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dave Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Jobs-Talk" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:11 AM
> Subject: The next level...
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've been developing CF applications for over 10 years now.  I've
> > architected applications as well, taking them from concept through
> design,
> > development, and implementation.  I am now interested in making the shift
> > into management.  I'm not quite sure how to proceed and how to present
> > myself.  Several years ago, I did manager my own team of developers, but
> > it
> > was for my own company.  I have since sold that company and have worked
> > for
> > other companies since 2005.
> >
> > Although I have 20 years of experience in IT, my Bachelor's degree is a
> BA
> > in Religion and it is recent, from 2003 anyway.  I've considered going
> > back
> > and getting a BS in Computer Science/Software Engineering, and then going
> > on
> > to get an MBA.  I want to position myself to not only be a manager now,
> > but
> > also to be able to move into the director level position and above in the
> > years to come.
> >
> > My current position is great, however, it may go away next year due to an
> > impending acquisition of our company.  As a result, moving up within my
> > existing organization is probably not going to be an option for me.
> >
> > Any suggestions anyone has on how I should proceed?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Dave
>
>
> 

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Re: The next level...

[Aaron Rouse]

I am not sold that getting a BS in Computer Science/Software Engineering
would be a huge stepping stone to management when you already have a 4 year
degree and regardless of what it is in.  Reason I am not sold is in all my
years of doing IT work not one of my managers or their managers had an IT
related degree.  I'd go straight for the MBA.  I have been looking into
masters in project management since the local college offers that but so far
everything I am finding leans more towards just doing the MBA.  I too am in
the position of wanting to get back into IT management, finishing up my
first step of getting a CIS degree since I had no 4-year degree due to being
a product of dot-coms(dropped out of school to do IT work that paid stupid
amounts of money at the time).  After I finish this up I have looked into a
few possible routes the MBA, masters in project management, masters in
computer science, or even a masters in CIS.  Looking at job postings the
masters in project management or CIS surprisingly are things companies want
for management positions but still not 100% sold on those routes.

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Dave Phillips <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I've been developing CF applications for over 10 years now.  I've
> architected applications as well, taking them from concept through design,
> development, and implementation.  I am now interested in making the shift
> into management.  I'm not quite sure how to proceed and how to present
> myself.  Several years ago, I did manager my own team of developers, but it
> was for my own company.  I have since sold that company and have worked for
> other companies since 2005.
>
>
>
> Although I have 20 years of experience in IT, my Bachelor's degree is a BA
> in Religion and it is recent, from 2003 anyway.  I've considered going back
> and getting a BS in Computer Science/Software Engineering, and then going
> on
> to get an MBA.  I want to position myself to not only be a manager now, but
> also to be able to move into the director level position and above in the
> years to come.
>
>
>
> My current position is great, however, it may go away next year due to an
> impending acquisition of our company.  As a result, moving up within my
> existing organization is probably not going to be an option for me.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions anyone has on how I should proceed?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: CF Developers - Iraq

[Aaron Rouse]

I have a feeling it does not pay near what some would hope for.

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Phillip Vector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Just to clear up some confusion, I'm not the one who posted the ad. I
> was mearly replying to 2 posts on the cf-jobs list.
>
> I have no idea what the pay is.. You would have to contact the person
> directly to get that.
>
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Michael Dinowitz
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > $500 an hour sounds like a reason for me to go despite my enhance risks.
> I
> > wonder if I could get extra pay for being a Jew in "death to Jews"
> > territory?
> >
> > On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> It isn' that bad, quite a few people have returned relatively
> >> unscathed. Most civilian contractors who go over there never really
> >> are exposed to any major risks.
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Tom Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > 2008/5/30 Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> >> whats the pay like?
> >> >
> >> > Seriously, how much is your life worth ?
> >> > Working in *Iraq*... wtf... remote working at all. Geez.
> >> > --
> >> > Tom
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: CF Developers - Iraq

[Aaron Rouse]

Yeah but the pay still should be relatively high.  One of my friends, a
civilian, was working on ships that went in/out of there and he got hazard
pay even though he never was near anything considered a risk.

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> It isn' that bad, quite a few people have returned relatively
> unscathed. Most civilian contractors who go over there never really
> are exposed to any major risks.
>
> On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Tom Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > 2008/5/30 Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> whats the pay like?
> >
> > Seriously, how much is your life worth ?
> > Working in *Iraq*... wtf... remote working at all. Geez.
> > --
> > Tom
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Re[2]: CF Developers - Iraq

[Aaron Rouse]

hah ... that is better than what my friend gets working for Blackwater out
of Baghdad, now if I only could find an IT management job in Dubi(sp?)

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Alex Puritche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> PI> whats the pay like?
>
> $50K/mo I guess.
>
>
> 

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Re: What is it with telecommuting?

[Aaron Rouse]

heh ... I would not hold my breath too long on it actually happening.

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hopefully whomever takes the White House in November will realize this and
> keep these jobs in the US.
>
> --
> Scott Stewart
> ColdFusion Developer
>
> SSTWebworks
> 4405 Oakshyre Way
> Raleigh, NC. 27616
> (919) 874-6229 (home)
> (703) 220-2835 (cell)
> -Original Message-
> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:55 PM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Re: What is it with telecommuting?
>
> True, although when they get that trust lets just hope the trust also does
> not direct them to just sending the work to a telecommuter who will work
> for
> pennies on the dollar overseas.   :)
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > When proper life cycle development processes are followed, there are
> > deadlines and milestones built in, if your consistently not meeting your
> > deadlines, then the employer can look elsewhere.
> >
> > It's going to come to a point where employers will have to trust their
> > telecommuters, the daily commute is going to become too expensive for
> even
> > highly paid knowledge workers. Or employers are going to have to
> subsidize
> > actual commuting, and buy the houses of folks that they want to relocate.
> >
> > --
> > Scott Stewart
> > ColdFusion Developer
> >
> > SSTWebworks
> > 4405 Oakshyre Way
> > Raleigh, NC. 27616
> > (919) 874-6229 (home)
> > (703) 220-2835 (cell)
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:08 PM
> > To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> > Subject: Re: What is it with telecommuting?
> >
> >  Communication is easier for many people if it is done in person.  I
> > expect this to change in a generation or two, but that is the way it is
> > for many people now.
> >
> >  There is also a trust issue.  If you're at home and "I" am paying you
> > hourly, how do "I" know that you're really doing work for me for all the
> > time "I" am paying you? How do I even know that you're working at all
> > and are going to meet deadlines?
> >
> >
> > Phillip Vector wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 11:44 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Understandably, most places want people on-site.  The best tele
> > >> opportunity I was was one where you went on-site for a month on the
> > >> company dime and then came in for meetings every quarter.  That way
> > >> there was the possibility of meeting and interfacing with people and
> > >> the remote aspect.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Why is this understandable? I mean, What purpose could it serve to
> > > require someone to be on site when security of data is not an issue
> > > (through access to resources)?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Re: What is it with telecommuting?

[Aaron Rouse]

True, although when they get that trust lets just hope the trust also does
not direct them to just sending the work to a telecommuter who will work for
pennies on the dollar overseas.   :)

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> When proper life cycle development processes are followed, there are
> deadlines and milestones built in, if your consistently not meeting your
> deadlines, then the employer can look elsewhere.
>
> It's going to come to a point where employers will have to trust their
> telecommuters, the daily commute is going to become too expensive for even
> highly paid knowledge workers. Or employers are going to have to subsidize
> actual commuting, and buy the houses of folks that they want to relocate.
>
> --
> Scott Stewart
> ColdFusion Developer
>
> SSTWebworks
> 4405 Oakshyre Way
> Raleigh, NC. 27616
> (919) 874-6229 (home)
> (703) 220-2835 (cell)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:08 PM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Re: What is it with telecommuting?
>
>  Communication is easier for many people if it is done in person.  I
> expect this to change in a generation or two, but that is the way it is
> for many people now.
>
>  There is also a trust issue.  If you're at home and "I" am paying you
> hourly, how do "I" know that you're really doing work for me for all the
> time "I" am paying you? How do I even know that you're working at all
> and are going to meet deadlines?
>
>
> Phillip Vector wrote:
> > On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 11:44 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Understandably, most places want people on-site.  The best tele
> >> opportunity I was was one where you went on-site for a month on the
> >> company dime and then came in for meetings every quarter.  That way
> >> there was the possibility of meeting and interfacing with people and
> >> the remote aspect.
> >>
> >
> > Why is this understandable? I mean, What purpose could it serve to
> > require someone to be on site when security of data is not an issue
> > (through access to resources)?
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 

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Re: What is it with telecommuting?

[Aaron Rouse]

In the past couple of weeks one of the talk radio shows here in town was
talking about companies going to teleconferencing for meetings.  One of the
points that was made in it was how one of the bigger companies(I forget its
name) had done a big switch to things because they felt there just was no
need to fly everyone to one spot for these meetings.  It actually turned out
to not be a success at all for them.  They discovered, in their case, that
people being in the same room helped brain storming by a large amount.
People were just more prone to turn and speak to the person next to them or
to speak up in the middle of a conversation with others.

With that said though, it is a solution that works for some with great
success.  It pretty much is what we do here and we do not even go so far as
to implement any fancy dancy stuff like video conferencing.

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Crow T. Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Seth Godin just tackled this subject in his blog:
>
> http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2008/05/the-new-standar.html
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Phillip Vector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 11:44 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Understandably, most places want people on-site.  The best tele
> > > opportunity I was was one where you went on-site for a month on the
> > > company dime and then came in for meetings every quarter.  That way
> > > there was the possibility of meeting and interfacing with people and
> > > the remote aspect.
> >
> > Why is this understandable? I mean, What purpose could it serve to
> > require someone to be on site when security of data is not an issue
> > (through access to resources)?
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: What is it with telecommuting?

[Aaron Rouse]

It takes a special type of person to be able to manage people they can not
see in person.  Some people can manage that just fine and others can not.
Telecommuting is one of those things that is slowly picking up but I foresee
it taking a long time before it is more mainstream.  My biggest hangup with
it is all the people that I know who telecommute full time or close to full
time, are doing the same type of work today that they were doing 4+ years
ago.  They seem to always get overlooked for job promotions, although maybe
it is just the people themselves and being content with where they are.  I
have a book at home that goes over a few studies over telecommuting but
forgotten the name of it, had to read it for a class 1-2 years ago.

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I get contacted by recruiters almost daily.. Why is it that in a depressed
> housing market, many employers won't even consider telecommuters?
>
> I do understand the reasoning behind TSI and above clearance contracts, but
> non secure and private employers really don't have a valid reason not to.
>
>
>
> The chances of people, especially homeowners, considering relocation right
> now is almost non existant.
>
>
>
> Just my $.02.
>
> discuss.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Scott Stewart
>
> ColdFusion Developer
>
>
>
> SSTWebworks
>
> 4405 Oakshyre Way
>
> Raleigh, NC. 27616
>
> (919) 874-6229 (home)
>
> (703) 220-2835 (cell)
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: freelance cf web developer wanted

[Aaron Rouse]

Crud, guess I better take notepad off my resume ;)

Aren't most job descriptions written by people who typically are in
ignorance of how the work is actually done?  Most of the descriptions that I
pay attention too certainly give me that impression at least.

On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  If someone I was hiring was using Notepad as their primary editor, I'd
> be very cautious; because I believe that IDEs (such as CFEclipse or
> Dreamweaver) save time on my dime.  But, I wouldn't be forcing a vendor
> to use a specific IDE.
>
>  I think from a legal stand point there is very little the client can
> force the recruiter to do while still maintaining an independence from
> each other.
>
>  With this particular post, it was most likely written out of ignorance
> (no that never happens?).  The job description writer is probably not
> coder, and didn't understand that an Eclipse plugin is not the only way
> to access a SVN repository.
>
>
> James Holmes wrote:
> > Why would someone state that an offsite telecommuter must use
> > CFEclipse as their development platform? If someone wants to code in
> > vi or notepad, surely that's their problem and not the contracting
> > company's?
> >
> > On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 4:40 AM, site mgt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >>
> >> Looking for a  U.S. based freelance CF programmer to work offsite for an
> >> e-commerce company by telecommuting. Individual must be able to
> contribute
> >> at least 20 hours a week.
> >>
> > 
> >
> >> Development environment need to be CF ECLIPSE and Subversion for version
> >> control.
> >>
> >
> >
>
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Re: Consultant vs. Employee

[Aaron Rouse]

I am able to write off my commutes from my home office to clients and I do
the commute often times 5 or more times a week and the bulk of my work is
done for the same client.  The CPA is the one who figured out how to apply
that and what I am able to write off is the cost of the commute.  But just
because he found a way for me, I would not count on a way being there
without first talking to whomever was going to be doing my taxes.

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>  However, my intuition is that driving to the client 5 times a week for
> an 8 hour day is a commute, not "business mileage".
>
>  It's a bit of a grey area.  Talk to an accountant and if they say go
> for it; then go for it.  There is a good chance that it will cost more
> for them to audit you than you'll make this year.  :-)
>
> William Seiter wrote:
> > Thank you all very much for your advice, suggestions and input.
> >
> > I know this is a better question for a CPA, however this might be
> something
> > that someone has already researched and can 'guide' me.
> >
> > 1.  My entire 1099 contract fits on one page and only mentions my hourly
> > rate, my lack of workman's comp, a brief reminder that I am responsible
> for
> > my own taxes as well as the standard 'at-will' state text.
> > 2.  I am working for the staffing company for the office I will be
> working
> > for. (I will submit my invoice every 2 weeks and be paid accordingly)
> >
> > Since I have other 'side' clients currently, would the government see
> this
> > as just 'another' client of my sole-proprietorship?  If that is the
> case,
> > wouldn't that open up my mileage from my main office (home) to the
> client's
> > office, even though I am there for 40 hours a week?
> >
> > Is there anything that I am missing?
> >
> > William
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Consultant vs. Employee

[Aaron Rouse]

Well since I do a straight percentage, I really do not need the exact
mileages for trips but every year my CPA asks me specifically if I have
proof that the vehicle was used for 81% business so that is why keep up with
it.  I do sometimes estimate things at the end of a week, after so many
years I basically know how long each of the various trips are that I take.

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I'll admit I suck at specific mileage expenses.
>  I keep a log book of every time I fill up the tank.  At the end of the
> year I take an estimate of the total mileage drove.
>
>  Although I do have the records for repairs, oil changes, etc... I've
> always taken the mileage deduction for "business car expenses."
>
> Aaron Rouse wrote:
> > Yeah, but prior to this year my CPA said that a log book was sufficient.
>  I
> > still kept the actual proof but just found it almost funny that now "the
> > man" wants the actual receipts and those things are so worthless since
> they
> > fade to nothing.
> >
> > I am curious what do people use to track their vehicle use/expense?  I
> have
> > been using a PDA based program but it messed up late last year and will
> no
> > longer sync with a computer.  Been considering just making a web based
> app
> > that I could use via my phone when on the road or just via my desktop
> all
> > the other times.  I am probably going to move my billing tracking as
> well
> > but undecided on that one since the program I have used for years still
> > functions but would be nice to eliminate the PDA use and already know it
> > will not work on any of the phones I would get myself so creating
> something
> > new is "justifiable" for me right now.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Yes. You should have proof of everything you claim in case of an audit
> and
> >> OMG I hate those receipts that fade to nothing! They should be illegal.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:24 PM
> >> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> >> Subject: Re: Consultant vs. Employee
> >>
> >> What I heard recently was that you had to provide proof in the form of
> >> receipts for things like fuel expenses and so on.  Something I have
> always
> >> kept although I can not help but wonder how they would gather any proof
> >> from
> >> those things since they tend to discolor in a month or two to the point
> >> where you can not read them at all.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Consultant vs. Employee

[Aaron Rouse]

Sounds like a perfect excuse to finally buy a scanner, but then I would feel
obligated to deal with that scanning.

I used to keep log books for some of the cars I owned due to their
collectors value, but once I started needing to do it for business I quickly
learned the little black book method was too cumbersome.

I am probably a 3rd the way to having a CFM app for this, just something I
touch every couple of months then forget about.

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I just keep up with my receipts while out then once I get home, I store it
> all in a database through a quick CF app I wrote. You can also use the
> trip
> meter to store the exact mileage per trip. I kept the little log book for
> years but being in the business that we are in, I like the web forms much
> better :-)
>
> You could even scan or snap a digital shot of receipts and upload the
> images
> as well.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:48 PM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Re: Consultant vs. Employee
>
> Yeah, but prior to this year my CPA said that a log book was sufficient.
>  I
> still kept the actual proof but just found it almost funny that now "the
> man" wants the actual receipts and those things are so worthless since
> they
> fade to nothing.
>
> I am curious what do people use to track their vehicle use/expense?  I
> have
> been using a PDA based program but it messed up late last year and will no
> longer sync with a computer.  Been considering just making a web based app
> that I could use via my phone when on the road or just via my desktop all
> the other times.  I am probably going to move my billing tracking as well
> but undecided on that one since the program I have used for years still
> functions but would be nice to eliminate the PDA use and already know it
> will not work on any of the phones I would get myself so creating
> something
> new is "justifiable" for me right now.
>
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes. You should have proof of everything you claim in case of an audit
> and
> > OMG I hate those receipts that fade to nothing! They should be illegal.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:24 PM
> > To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Consultant vs. Employee
> >
> > What I heard recently was that you had to provide proof in the form of
> > receipts for things like fuel expenses and so on.  Something I have
> always
> > kept although I can not help but wonder how they would gather any proof
> > from
> > those things since they tend to discolor in a month or two to the point
> > where you can not read them at all.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Consultant vs. Employee

[Aaron Rouse]

Yeah, but prior to this year my CPA said that a log book was sufficient.  I
still kept the actual proof but just found it almost funny that now "the
man" wants the actual receipts and those things are so worthless since they
fade to nothing.

I am curious what do people use to track their vehicle use/expense?  I have
been using a PDA based program but it messed up late last year and will no
longer sync with a computer.  Been considering just making a web based app
that I could use via my phone when on the road or just via my desktop all
the other times.  I am probably going to move my billing tracking as well
but undecided on that one since the program I have used for years still
functions but would be nice to eliminate the PDA use and already know it
will not work on any of the phones I would get myself so creating something
new is "justifiable" for me right now.

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Yes. You should have proof of everything you claim in case of an audit and
> OMG I hate those receipts that fade to nothing! They should be illegal.
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:24 PM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Re: Consultant vs. Employee
>
> What I heard recently was that you had to provide proof in the form of
> receipts for things like fuel expenses and so on.  Something I have always
> kept although I can not help but wonder how they would gather any proof
> from
> those things since they tend to discolor in a month or two to the point
> where you can not read them at all.
>
>
>


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Re: Consultant vs. Employee

[Aaron Rouse]

What I heard recently was that you had to provide proof in the form of
receipts for things like fuel expenses and so on.  Something I have always
kept although I can not help but wonder how they would gather any proof from
those things since they tend to discolor in a month or two to the point
where you can not read them at all.


On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Yes, they have been 'cracking down' for years now on things like that
> which
> is why the rules get slightly more strict each year. You just have to keep
> up with the changes if you do your own taxes. I'd recommend an accountant
> of
> course.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:33 PM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Re: Consultant vs. Employee
>
> If you write off a home office, just keep in mind you have to pay back
> some
> deductions if/when you go to sell your home.  I do not know all the
> specifics on it but have been warned by many so just passing on the same
> warning.  You can write off certain aspects of a car purchase as well
> although they have changed the laws a lot since I did it but when I did it
> I
> could have wrote off 100% of my trucks purchase but opted for 81% since
> figured the other 19 I would use it for personal use.  I have heard they
> are
> breaking down on how you track things on vehicles but yet to experience
> any
> crack down.
>
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > The traveling will definitely open up more deductions for you. Things
> like
> > regular car maintenance/repairs, mileage, gas, meals, lodging,
> > entertainment
> > can really give you a huge break when this time of year rolls around.
> >
> > You said you had a 'side' business before, which I took as you having a
> > full
> > time job and doing SOME extra stuff at home during off hours. If you are
> > full time for yourself now, a home office is also a huge HUGE tax break.
> > Not
> > only would you be able to deduct assets like computers, office
> furniture,
> > printers, paper, etc... you deduct a percentage of all utilities
> (lights,
> > phone, internet, trash pickup, etc...) Having a normal job anywhere
> kills
> > all of the home office deductions though.
> >
> > And of course there are so many other possibilities for deductions like
> > leasing equipment or even cars to yourself for business use. It's
> counted
> > as
> > overall household income and taxes have to be paid on it but it is also
> > deductible form the business end (which usually outweighs the former) I
> > knew
> > a guy who paid his wife a monthly salary from his business just for
> > putting
> > up with him so he could deduct it :-)
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: William Seiter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:39 PM
> > To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> > Subject: Consultant vs. Employee
> >
> > I just finished reading this article on the subject:
> > http://www.asktheheadhunter.com/industryinsider6.htm
> >
> > It is very interesting to read the benefits of a Consultant organization
> > compared to a Headhunter, as well as how it works.
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone has any experiences with a good CF consultant
> > company? Or if one even exists?
> >
> > I was also wondering.
> > I am about to start a position as a 1099 employee through a general IT
> > consultant company, it was supposed to be perm-fulltime, but that fell
> > through in favor of Contract work.  I was wondering if anyone has any
> > advice
> > on how to handle the 1099 situation.  I know that this means that all
> cash
> > will be handed to me and I become directly responsible for all taxes,
> etc.
> > Does anyone have any advice for a novice at this type of contract?  The
> > consultant office offered a w2 situation, but since all they offered was
> > tax
> > withholding, no benes, I figured it would be more profitable for me to
> > handle it.  Put aside taxes in the form of CDs or such and reap the
> > interest
> > gains for my own pocket.
> >
> > I am also interested in reducing my taxes.  I have had a side business
> of
> > consultant work for a while, mainly in front of my computer doing the
> same
> > development I was being paid fulltime to do.  Now that I would be
> > traveling
> > for 1099 status, doesn't that open up my tax deductions widely?
> >
> > 

Re: Consultant vs. Employee

[Aaron Rouse]

I track my daily miles that I put on my vehicle to get to customer offices
from my home office.  I write off a very small percentage of the sq. footage
of my home for a home office and I track all of my computer expenses.  I
also track all of my vehicle maintenance which includes fuel, tires, oil
changes, car washes, tolls, and so on.  I track dry cleaning bills and
basically anything you can justify as an expense to do business such as that
$10 car wash because of the lunch meeting with the client.  One thing I was
warned on is to be careful if you end up with only one client you do 1099
work for, which is something I do for the most part and if/when I ever get
audited it should make for an interesting time.  Remember to put aside at
least a 1/3rd of what you bring in, you will need to do quarterly estimated
tax payments and also you need to take into account retirement.  What I do
is every month put in a percentage of my income into a SEP plan to help
lower my taxes as well as work towards having something for retirement.  I
had also been taking another percentage every month and investing that into
stocks but I pulled all that out as things started to go south and right now
it just is collecting interest and I still add to that account monthly.

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:31 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I start the new position tomorrow and won't be able to consult a CPA for a
> couple of weeks.   Do you have any suggestions of what to track that i can
> verify with my cpa when i get one? ! Live in california,any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> william
>
> William Seiter (mobile)
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: "Aaron Rouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Jobs-Talk" 
> Sent: 3/27/2008 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Consultant vs. Employee
>
> I'd talk to a CPA about what you can and can not do in regards to taxes.
> When I first made he switch, I made some assumptions based on my research
> and almost got bit hard come tax time.
>
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 5:39 PM, William Seiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > I just finished reading this article on the subject:
> > http://www.asktheheadhunter.com/industryinsider6.htm
> >
> > It is very interesting to read the benefits of a Consultant organization
> > compared to a Headhunter, as well as how it works.
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone has any experiences with a good CF consultant
> > company? Or if one even exists?
> >
> > I was also wondering.
> > I am about to start a position as a 1099 employee through a general IT
> > consultant company, it was supposed to be perm-fulltime, but that fell
> > through in favor of Contract work.  I was wondering if anyone has any
> > advice
> > on how to handle the 1099 situation.  I know that this means that all
> cash
> > will be handed to me and I become directly responsible for all taxes,
> etc
>
> 

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Re: Consultant vs. Employee

[Aaron Rouse]

If you write off a home office, just keep in mind you have to pay back some
deductions if/when you go to sell your home.  I do not know all the
specifics on it but have been warned by many so just passing on the same
warning.  You can write off certain aspects of a car purchase as well
although they have changed the laws a lot since I did it but when I did it I
could have wrote off 100% of my trucks purchase but opted for 81% since
figured the other 19 I would use it for personal use.  I have heard they are
breaking down on how you track things on vehicles but yet to experience any
crack down.

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> The traveling will definitely open up more deductions for you. Things like
> regular car maintenance/repairs, mileage, gas, meals, lodging,
> entertainment
> can really give you a huge break when this time of year rolls around.
>
> You said you had a 'side' business before, which I took as you having a
> full
> time job and doing SOME extra stuff at home during off hours. If you are
> full time for yourself now, a home office is also a huge HUGE tax break.
> Not
> only would you be able to deduct assets like computers, office furniture,
> printers, paper, etc... you deduct a percentage of all utilities (lights,
> phone, internet, trash pickup, etc...) Having a normal job anywhere kills
> all of the home office deductions though.
>
> And of course there are so many other possibilities for deductions like
> leasing equipment or even cars to yourself for business use. It's counted
> as
> overall household income and taxes have to be paid on it but it is also
> deductible form the business end (which usually outweighs the former) I
> knew
> a guy who paid his wife a monthly salary from his business just for
> putting
> up with him so he could deduct it :-)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: William Seiter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:39 PM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Consultant vs. Employee
>
> I just finished reading this article on the subject:
> http://www.asktheheadhunter.com/industryinsider6.htm
>
> It is very interesting to read the benefits of a Consultant organization
> compared to a Headhunter, as well as how it works.
>
> I was wondering if anyone has any experiences with a good CF consultant
> company? Or if one even exists?
>
> I was also wondering.
> I am about to start a position as a 1099 employee through a general IT
> consultant company, it was supposed to be perm-fulltime, but that fell
> through in favor of Contract work.  I was wondering if anyone has any
> advice
> on how to handle the 1099 situation.  I know that this means that all cash
> will be handed to me and I become directly responsible for all taxes, etc.
> Does anyone have any advice for a novice at this type of contract?  The
> consultant office offered a w2 situation, but since all they offered was
> tax
> withholding, no benes, I figured it would be more profitable for me to
> handle it.  Put aside taxes in the form of CDs or such and reap the
> interest
> gains for my own pocket.
>
> I am also interested in reducing my taxes.  I have had a side business of
> consultant work for a while, mainly in front of my computer doing the same
> development I was being paid fulltime to do.  Now that I would be
> traveling
> for 1099 status, doesn't that open up my tax deductions widely?
>
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> William
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Consultant vs. Employee

[Aaron Rouse]

I'd talk to a CPA about what you can and can not do in regards to taxes.
When I first made he switch, I made some assumptions based on my research
and almost got bit hard come tax time.

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 5:39 PM, William Seiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I just finished reading this article on the subject:
> http://www.asktheheadhunter.com/industryinsider6.htm
>
> It is very interesting to read the benefits of a Consultant organization
> compared to a Headhunter, as well as how it works.
>
> I was wondering if anyone has any experiences with a good CF consultant
> company? Or if one even exists?
>
> I was also wondering.
> I am about to start a position as a 1099 employee through a general IT
> consultant company, it was supposed to be perm-fulltime, but that fell
> through in favor of Contract work.  I was wondering if anyone has any
> advice
> on how to handle the 1099 situation.  I know that this means that all cash
> will be handed to me and I become directly responsible for all taxes, etc.
> Does anyone have any advice for a novice at this type of contract?  The
> consultant office offered a w2 situation, but since all they offered was
> tax
> withholding, no benes, I figured it would be more profitable for me to
> handle it.  Put aside taxes in the form of CDs or such and reap the
> interest
> gains for my own pocket.
>
> I am also interested in reducing my taxes.  I have had a side business of
> consultant work for a while, mainly in front of my computer doing the same
> development I was being paid fulltime to do.  Now that I would be
> traveling
> for 1099 status, doesn't that open up my tax deductions widely?
>
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> William
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Dead Beat Clients.

[Aaron Rouse]

I think that is normally the case, I am seeming to recall certain forms of
labor in some of our businesses we had to do sales tax on.  One could maybe
debate if code is a "product" though.

On Feb 3, 2008 10:24 PM, s. isaac dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >   In fact, I'm probably treated a bit better because in Connecticut,
> > web development services are exempt from sales tax, which is one less
> > headache I have to deal with.
>
> I thought sales tax only applied to product. Am I like way out of touch?
>
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Re: Dead Beat Clients.

[Aaron Rouse]

Sorry, but when I first ran into it is when I was doing
network/hardware/software consulting which was a number of years ago,
probably over 10 and I have long since slept since then.  All I remember at
the time was there were some specific things that as an IT person we are
treated different than other trades even though in both trades the people
would be independent contractors.  It just was not something that every
morning I woke up and thought to myself "that damn 'tax man' needs to change
this crap" instead it was something I discovered and just moved on past.  It
might have been a state thing but I think it was federal just because at the
time I remember thinking about how in the merchant marines we at least had
organized groups of people who lobbied and often helped us more so than hurt
us in what they were lobbying for.  I actually have a rather negative
opinion of unions, they seem like a good idea but more often than not they
seem to evolve into something not so helpful.

On Feb 3, 2008 10:13 PM, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I was wondering that too...
>
>  I don't believe that myself, as a business owner, is treated any
> differently than other business owners who are no in the IT field.
>
>  In fact, I'm probably treated a bit better because in Connecticut, web
> development services are exempt from sales tax, which is one less
> headache I have to deal with.
>
> William Seiter wrote:
> > What kind of issues have you seen with the 'Tax Man'?
> >
>
> --
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Re: Dead Beat Clients.

[Aaron Rouse]

Some collective representation for IT workers has its advantages and I am
sure disadvantages as well.  One thing that has always annoyed me is how IT
workers are treated by the tax man vs some other occupations and I think a
collective representation could have the power in numbers to change things
like that.

On Feb 3, 2008 2:36 PM, William Seiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I agree that having a union would be good for working with dead beat
> clients
> as well as with obtaining good contracts, but a union should go further.
>  To
> a client, a union has become the essence of 'good training'.  Would we
> have
> an apprentice system?  Would we develop 'union programming standards'?
>
> I think that having a union is a step in the right direction, but it is a
> long road to get there.  Maybe we can have a poll to see how many people
> would support it.
>
> In the mean time I would suggest that everyone have access to a lawyer or
> a
> lawyer system (pre-paid legal).  This way you can have a lawyer draft a
> letter when you aren't paid, and you can have your 'basic' contract
> reviewed.
>
> Regarding contracts.  Does anyone have any contract examples that have
> worked well that they would share with the rest of us?
>
> William
>
> --
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>
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> -Original Message-
> From: Vincent Cannady [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 10:10 AM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Re: Dead Beat Clients.
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> From what I read you have never had many contracts but I can vouch for
> what
> Angry Housewife says that I too have been paid when I go client locations
> to
> work but when I am up at three o clock in the morning doing work and
> submit
> for those hours I never seem to get paid even if I email or IM the client
> at
> that time. I have worked in the Contracts Department of companies like
> Sprint and Cingular and I have seen them get burned and have to resort to
> Suing to get their money back so again I have to disagree with you about
> negotiations. A Contract is a contract; here are the three ways you can
> break a contract per the UCC -Uniform Code of Commerce
>
> #1 Incapacity- Mentally Unfit to make a contract
> #2 Age - To young to be making a contract
> #3 Breach of contract - One party or another did not complete part of
> contract
>
> So in our case it is almost always number three either the developer did
> not
> do ANYWORK (or they signed a completed project contract)
> or the Client Breached the Contract by not paying
>
> Here is the one I find funny- A Client that breeches the contract usually
> wants to hold you (the Consultant) to a NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement)
> meaning no contact with his or her end client after they terminated your
> services even though they have not paid you.
>
> Ok. So Jeff has some experience with this so have I, I have worked for two
> different Law Enforcement Agencies, Two Different Court Houses in two
> different States, I have friends who are lawyers. I am an expert in
> Contract
> Law. And I always look up clients  on WWW.PACER.GOV (Federal DISTRICT
> Court
> Houses Case Party Index) yet I too get burned so UNLIKE you I do not
> consider getting burned me not KNOWING how to negotiate. I was my School
> Debate Champion and have won lawsuits again Fortune 500 Companies
> representing myself (pro se).
>
> The list she talks about is needed. She also has another point no one has
> picked up on, What about us HAVING A UNION. The all contracts would go
> thru
> the Union anynone not paying would be sued by the Union. Programmer would
> not need to come up with $2000 just to get back $2500. Instead they could
> pay 120 a year or $10 a Month to belong to a "National Technology Workers
> Union" that would have attorneys on staff would could deal with this mess,
>
> I think that until that day comes along we should have this list and if
> the
> Clients want a list of Bad Programmers they had better pay one of US to
> create IT!
>
>
> Just my $10,000!
>
> > On Feb 2, 2008 6:55 PM, angry housewife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I have watched my husband work very hard for three or four contracts
> > in the last six months where he has only been paid ten percent of his
> > total invoiced hours. My husband never signs a contract where the work
> > has to be completed before he is paid, yet every client of his who has
> > not paid uses this as an excuse not to pay because the work or project
> > is not completed.
> > >
> > > The only work my husband ever seems to get paid in full for is for
> > work done on-site.
> >
> > I'm sorry, but this really sounds like bad business not on the part
> > of
> > the client, but on your husband's part. If the same client did not
> > pay
> > several different contractors, they are probably at fault. If the
> >

Re: Consultant's Revenge

[Aaron Rouse]

Interesting, $40/hr is really not a ton cheaper than what a lot of U.S.
developers will work for.  We have paid anywhere from $40-60/hr for CF
developers.  I personally have worked for anywhere from $30-80/hr, just
depended on the job, my schedule, and many other factors.

I have had trouble with big companies not paying on time and that can be a
significant hit on the old wallet when waiting on a $10k or more check to
come in and it is many months late coming.  I am lucky that I stash a
healthy chunk of change in the bank for such experiences although the last
time it happened to be it pretty much depleted my stash and was not a fun
experience thinking about the possible outcomes.  I did wise up some last
year and for some of my projects for the big companies instead of charging
hourly I charged a flat rate which they had to pay "upfront".  Basically the
invoice was put out at the beginning and they have NET 50 terms so in most
cases the payment came in shortly after the project was done.


On Feb 2, 2008 8:52 AM, Rizal Firmansyah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I'm running an offshore ColdFusion developer from Jakarta, that is
> south east Asia.
> My company's rate is US$40/man/hour, i think it's not that cheap :)
>
> Currently we have 0 customers that won't pay us.
> Infact, we never ask for down payment cause we're 100% sure that our
> client will benefit from our work, thus pay the bill.
>
> To prevent this situation, for new client we usually break down large
> project into smaller pieces.
> And do the small piece first, see whether they satisfy with our work
> - and pay before we continue with the rest.
>
> Regards,
> Rizal
>
>
>


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Re: Coldfusion web developer group in china may help you

[Aaron Rouse]

They are trying to outsource things to other countries here, something they
have tried in the past and failed at.  I personally do not see how it is
cheaper when their current method includes hiring up 36 IT Architects to
help develop all the "paper work" that will be used to build things.  After
paying the overhead for all of those people it would seem like any money
saved just got spent.

On Jan 23, 2008 8:46 AM, RobG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I second that.
>
> I lost a job due to a company outsourcing my position to China.  It did
> eventually come back and bite them in the butt, but still...
>
> Rob
>
>
> Kent Harder wrote:
> > No thank you.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: neil jiang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:46 PM
> > To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> > Subject: Coldfusion web developer group in china may help you
> >
> > We are a web developer group in china , helping internet user to
> > establish website
> > and web marketing strategy, as well as web based software and system ,
> > cutting
> > your cost to 1/4 ratio...  please visit www.freelancer2china.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Senior Coldfusion Developer wants Telecommute work for $25.00

[Aaron Rouse]

Hey now I said taxes AND retirement.  :P

On Dec 14, 2007 12:42 PM, Jordan Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That's interesting. Did you know that only a couple hundred hears ago
> there was an American colonist riot over a 3% tax on just tea? It's
> known as The Boston Tea Party.
>
> Now we budget 30, 40, even 50% of everything we earn to a government,
> and we do it willingly without rioting. =P How times change huh?
>
> Warm regards,
> Jordan Michaels
> Vivio Technologies
> http://www.viviotech.net/
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>
>
> Aaron Rouse wrote:
> > Certainly, I actually budget 50% towards taxes and something to put away
> for
> > retirement and I know that I am not putting enough at all away for that.
> >
> > On Dec 13, 2007 8:51 AM, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>  I budget 40% for taxes.
> >>  If you're an employee, 33% is going to be about right (look at your
> >> paychecks).  But, as an employee your employer is paying some
> additional
> >> percentage of your salary (I believe 7.5%) to social security.
> >>
> >>  When you're self employed, you have to pay both the employee and
> >> employer portion of Social Security.
> >>
> >>
> >> Aaron Rouse wrote:
> >>> The only thing that sucks about that is 1/3rd goes to taxes, correct?
> >> That
> >>> really is not a whole lot of money when you break it down.  I can
> >> understand
> >>> rates to compete with people who telecommute from other countries
> >> although
> >>> quite honestly I have never ran into the need to compete with them
> since
> >>> people have always been willing to pay me a significant amount over
> $25
> >>> while telecommuting.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Senior Coldfusion Developer wants Telecommute work for $25.00

[Aaron Rouse]

Certainly, I actually budget 50% towards taxes and something to put away for
retirement and I know that I am not putting enough at all away for that.

On Dec 13, 2007 8:51 AM, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I budget 40% for taxes.
>  If you're an employee, 33% is going to be about right (look at your
> paychecks).  But, as an employee your employer is paying some additional
> percentage of your salary (I believe 7.5%) to social security.
>
>  When you're self employed, you have to pay both the employee and
> employer portion of Social Security.
>
>
> Aaron Rouse wrote:
> > The only thing that sucks about that is 1/3rd goes to taxes, correct?
> That
> > really is not a whole lot of money when you break it down.  I can
> understand
> > rates to compete with people who telecommute from other countries
> although
> > quite honestly I have never ran into the need to compete with them since
> > people have always been willing to pay me a significant amount over $25
> > while telecommuting.
> >
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Re: Senior Coldfusion Developer wants Telecommute work for $25.00

[Aaron Rouse]

The only thing that sucks about that is 1/3rd goes to taxes, correct?   That
really is not a whole lot of money when you break it down.  I can understand
rates to compete with people who telecommute from other countries although
quite honestly I have never ran into the need to compete with them since
people have always been willing to pay me a significant amount over $25
while telecommuting.

On Dec 12, 2007 9:33 PM, Vincent Cannady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Jason here are the reason why I charge 25 dollars for telecommute work
> instead of my normal $50 per hour on site
>
>
> I save on 3 dollar per gallon gas
> I spend everyday with my kids
> I own my house outright
> I own all my vehicles outright
> I have solar panels so no electric bills
> I am competetive therefor I must compete against S.E. Asians who routinely
> take jobs away from Americans so I plan on beating them at their own game
>
> Now as to who I have worked for, I you like I can send you my written
> references from my managers at Both Sprint and Bank of America
> The list goes on I have worked at ADP, GSU, FAA, AT&T, Cingular, Motorola,
> Three different State and County Government including DOuglas County
> SHeriffs office on Biometric Facial recognition program.
>
>
> Michael as promised this is my last post. And I apologize to the community
> again.  never imagined my rate would cause such a stir. Maybe we all should
> drop our rates some if we want to stay in this business then the Big
> companies would not ship all our jobs to Bangalor
>
> >I was going to send this out when I originally saw this post, but I don't
> >know Vincent, and can't really speculate on him as a person.
> >
> >If you ask me... not that anyone has...  $25/hr seems pretty low for the
> >quality of work he claims to have done.
> >Sprint.com, BankOfAmerica.com...   In my opinion, you get what you pay
> >for... and when it comes to web development, you might get lucky every
> now
> >and then, but more times than none you'll end up getting left hanging.
> >
> >This is no different than any other industry... Perfect example is the
> >show "Holmes on Homes " this guy has made
> a
> >living going around and fixing the mistakes of others.  People often look
> >for the cheapest price, and then get left hanging with a crappy product
> that
> >was built inproperly, and/or without the proper permits.  Web Development
> is
> >no different, imo.
> >
> >If you're looking for a good Freelance Coldfusion Developer, then simply
> ask
> >for professional references from the projects they've done.  Don't go off
> >of sample websites that they claim to have worked on.  A good developer
> >keeps doesn't burn bridges with his/her clients once the job is complete.
> >So professional references should never be a problem.  Once you contact
> >these references ask then about the quality, overall responsivness, and
> >support of the developer.  And ALWAYS ask them if they would use this
> >person/company again.
> >
> >Simply stated...  Don't jump before check the pool for water :)
> >
> >Just my 2-cents.
> >
> >On Dec 12, 2007 11:10 AM, Jesse B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>
>
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Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

[Aaron Rouse]

Was not meant as an insult.  I have two good friends who joined the armed
forces and later after leaving became programmers.  One was just a couple
credits shy of having a degree upon leaving the military and other had one,
both done through the armed forces, I think both associates degrees  Both
might have been Navy but I think one was Navy and the other Air Force.  I
have always been told that those two branches work out better for getting a
more technical education but have no proof to that.  My grandfather who was
rather high ranking in the Army before leaving it after WWII always referred
to Army people as bullet stoppers.

On 8/28/07, Steve Blades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> My last comment is to Aaron, who maybe didn't realize (or care) that
> others were watching. A great deal of my 'start' in programming began with
> the 9+ years I spent in the US Army. I would hire one good veteran, with
> little formal education, over a dozen snot nosed grads with no discipline.
> And I would have a far more productive team from doing so, in my experience.
> You might not have meant to come off insulting, but you insulted me.
>
> Steve "Cutter" Blades
> Adobe Certified Professional
>
> Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Developer
> 
> http://blog.cutterscrossing.com
>
> The best way to
> predict the future
> is to help create it
>
>
> > Subject: Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: cf-jobs-talk@houseoffusion.com
> > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:35:21 -0500
> >
> > Join the military, just try not to join a branch that will make ya a
> bullet
> > stopper
> >
> > On 8/27/07, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   Still, I think it is an expensive way to gain a focus.  Surely there
> > > must be more cost effective ways?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

[Aaron Rouse]

Join the military, just try not to join a branch that will make ya a bullet
stopper

On 8/27/07, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>   Still, I think it is an expensive way to gain a focus.  Surely there
> must be more cost effective ways?
>
>


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Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

[Aaron Rouse]

I would have thought the same but experience has taught me otherwise.
Looking around some I have learned this is not the only big company with
some similar HR rules.  I have had HR tell me two times in the past 2-3
years when I was recommended for full time jobs that after looking into it
the pay would be too low to bother offering me due to no college degree.  I
often wonder what "too low" is.

On 8/27/07, sherri sonnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ;-0
>
> My only point was that I was surprised that you were limited by a company
> you'd worked for for 6+ years.
>
> I would think that after a few years, they would want to make the
> investment
> in you as an employee.
>
> Generally, companies want the degree but also want the experience.  After
> 6
> years, they know what your experience/skill set contains.
>
> Then again, I may have misunderstood the poster. Prehaps he/she would
> prefer
> to remain contract.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/27/07, Phillip M. Vector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Good for you. That isn't my point though. :)
> >
> > My point is, couldn't you have learned those things without taking the
> > class? Rather, could someone else have learned those concepts outside a
> > classroom?
> >
> > Look folks, I'm sorry I started a major upset on the list. My point
> > comes down to a simple statement.
> >
> > No job should put college experience above work experience.
> >
> > Sorry if you don't agree. :)
> >
> > Aaron Rouse wrote:
> > > I currently take night and weekend classes for a computer based degree
> > and
> > > most of the classes I have taken did not deal a whole lot with
> > computers.  I
> > > have learned a lot though that I have been able to apply to my daily
> > work.
> > >
> > > On 8/27/07, Phillip M. Vector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> Aaron Rouse wrote:
> > >>> Most big companies pay people based upon their education level
> > combined
> > >> with
> > >>> other factors.
> > >> and those companies I wouldn't want to work for if they put skill
> above
> > >> having a piece of paper saying you learned about computers 16 years
> > ago.
> > >> :)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

[Aaron Rouse]

Anything can be learned, but on the job I have not learned any of the things
I was thinking about in my prior email.  I have been doing this specific
work for around a decade now and I work with people who have been doing it a
good bit longer than that, those people IMHO have not learned anywhere near
what they could have with a formal education.  I would even go so far as
saying what they learned via work experience is often times wrong and
inefficient.

On 8/27/07, Phillip M. Vector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Good for you. That isn't my point though. :)
>
> My point is, couldn't you have learned those things without taking the
> class? Rather, could someone else have learned those concepts outside a
> classroom?
>
> Look folks, I'm sorry I started a major upset on the list. My point
> comes down to a simple statement.
>
> No job should put college experience above work experience.
>
> Sorry if you don't agree. :)
>
> Aaron Rouse wrote:
> > I currently take night and weekend classes for a computer based degree
> and
> > most of the classes I have taken did not deal a whole lot with
> computers.  I
> > have learned a lot though that I have been able to apply to my daily
> work.
> >
> > On 8/27/07, Phillip M. Vector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Aaron Rouse wrote:
> >>> Most big companies pay people based upon their education level
> combined
> >> with
> >>> other factors.
> >> and those companies I wouldn't want to work for if they put skill above
> >> having a piece of paper saying you learned about computers 16 years
> ago.
> >> :)
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

[Aaron Rouse]

I currently take night and weekend classes for a computer based degree and
most of the classes I have taken did not deal a whole lot with computers.  I
have learned a lot though that I have been able to apply to my daily work.

On 8/27/07, Phillip M. Vector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Aaron Rouse wrote:
> > Most big companies pay people based upon their education level combined
> with
> > other factors.
>
> and those companies I wouldn't want to work for if they put skill above
> having a piece of paper saying you learned about computers 16 years ago.
> :)
>
> 

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Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

[Aaron Rouse]

Most big companies pay people based upon their education level combined with
other factors.  So if you lack pieces of what is required then your pay
grade goes down.  I would make a significant amount less if I took a full
time job without a 4 year degree(I have a 2 year one, but that is
worthless).  Actually what is really messed up is since I am not getting a
degree that has "engineer" in the name of it, I will get offered less money
for a full time job even if I had a 4 year degree.  I have no intentions of
working full time for them anyway, just using it as a pay check until I
finish this degree and will then move on.

On 8/27/07, sherri sonnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Wow...  if you have been contracting with them for 6 years only because
> you
> did not have your degree.  Not cool.  I would look into that
>
> On 8/27/07, Aaron Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Most jobs I have applied for required a 4 degree and some did prefer a
> > masters.  Seems to be happening more and more these days.  Matter of
> fact
> > the sole reason I have been doing contract work for 6+ years for the
> same
> > company is because they require a 4 year degree and I am a year or two
> > away
> > from having that.
> >
> > On 8/27/07, Crow T. Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > What's wrong with asking for a minimum of a bachelors in a technical
> > > field?
> > > I thought that was a pretty common requirement...
> > >
> > > On 8/27/07, Phillip M. Vector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > CF-Jobs is for job postings.
> > > > CF-Jobs-Talk is for talking about how recruiters tend not to follow
> > the
> > > > directions on Webpages telling them where to post jobs.
> > > >
> > > > Also, the Degrees needed... Yeah.. Good luck with that. :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

[Aaron Rouse]

Most jobs I have applied for required a 4 degree and some did prefer a
masters.  Seems to be happening more and more these days.  Matter of fact
the sole reason I have been doing contract work for 6+ years for the same
company is because they require a 4 year degree and I am a year or two away
from having that.

On 8/27/07, Crow T. Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What's wrong with asking for a minimum of a bachelors in a technical
> field?
> I thought that was a pretty common requirement...
>
> On 8/27/07, Phillip M. Vector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > CF-Jobs is for job postings.
> > CF-Jobs-Talk is for talking about how recruiters tend not to follow the
> > directions on Webpages telling them where to post jobs.
> >
> > Also, the Degrees needed... Yeah.. Good luck with that. :)
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Great article on Telecommuting

[Aaron Rouse]

The government does allow telecommuting to some extent though for their
employees but maybe it is less likely to happen for contract programmers.  I
know the GAO did a report(GAO-05-1055R) that gave a rough overview of
teleworking methodologies for several agencies in the Federal government.

I too enjoy the nuts and bolts aspect of doing ColdFusion work but my
ultimate goal is to get back into project management and work my way up over
time.  Currently just stay with CF work because it helps pay the bills
rather well while I tackle finishing up college on top of a million other
"grown up" responsibilities I have these days.

On 3/22/07, Don Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You bring up a key point.  I refused to spend the rest of my life pushing
> code around and moved into project management.  I could not have done so
> from my house.  I love ColdFusion and think it's a great tool, but I did not
> want to retire as a programmer.  If you're happy developing code then by all
> means, remote telecommuting is a great plan.  If you want to move up in a
> company then I am not sure how telecommuting helps:
> 1.  Meeting with clients
> 2.  Business Development for the company
> 3.  Leadership
> 4.  Osmosis, business intelligence, watercooler talk, lunch with the CEO,
> networking
>
> As a manager who developed for 10 years, I know when work is advancing and
> know, roughly, when it's not, even in languages I don't understand like C++
> or Ruby.  I utilize PMI and CMMI plans to keep track of all development and
> use Earned Value Management calculations to help identify modules that are
> out of scope.  Professional management does not require seeing someone at
> the office.
>
> But the truth is:
> 1.  Government clients require security that makes telecommuting, or the
> removal of code and data from the premises, virtually illegal
> 2.  Telecommuters in my offices do not get the plum projects, they get the
> leftovers, they are marginalized
>
> I agree that telecommuting works best as a contractor/subcontractor and
> client arrangement.  That way the clients are focused on the results.  If
> one ran a company from home and attended graduate school for networking
> opportunities then I'd say it was win/win.
>
> I can't wait for the time when this is totally acceptable across the board
> and networks are secure, but that time is not 2007.
>
> Don
>
>
> >There also is the issue of managing telecommuters.  A lot of managers
> feel
> >the need to see people working to know that things are being done.   I
> have
> >been reading through a book titled, "Telework and Social Change"  it
> brings
> >up a lot of interesting issues for both teleworkers and companies that
> >decide to allow for them.  What I find interesting is a lot of
> teleworkers
> >say how great things have been for them for years and years, yet it
> appears
> >to me they are doing the same basic type of work day in and day out.
> >Although one could say the same thing about myself, been doing the same
> >basic type of work for 6 years and most of it in a cube farm.  Sure the
> >tools and technologies change, but the work itself is essentially the
> same
> >stuff.  I do think there is a distinct difference between the independent
> >worker who has their own company more or less and works primarily from
> their
> >house vs an employee of a company who is allowed to work primarily from
> >their home.
> >
> >On 3/20/07, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
>
> 

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Re: Great article on Telecommuting

[Aaron Rouse]

There also is the issue of managing telecommuters.  A lot of managers feel
the need to see people working to know that things are being done.   I have
been reading through a book titled, "Telework and Social Change"  it brings
up a lot of interesting issues for both teleworkers and companies that
decide to allow for them.  What I find interesting is a lot of teleworkers
say how great things have been for them for years and years, yet it appears
to me they are doing the same basic type of work day in and day out.
Although one could say the same thing about myself, been doing the same
basic type of work for 6 years and most of it in a cube farm.  Sure the
tools and technologies change, but the work itself is essentially the same
stuff.  I do think there is a distinct difference between the independent
worker who has their own company more or less and works primarily from their
house vs an employee of a company who is allowed to work primarily from
their home.

On 3/20/07, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   I love telecommuting.
>
>   But, he mentions "It's against our policy"...
>
>   I'll just say that telecommuting workers could
> have an affect on insurance related issues.  And
> the company needs to set up an infrastructure to
> support a telecommuter.  And some people just
> don't know how to communicate w/o being face to
> face.  Any of these issues could be a reason for the policy.  ;)
>
>   But, I find it's not worth my time to try to
> change companies.  Better to find one that I gel with.
>
> At 05:05 PM 3/20/2007, you wrote:
> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,259667,00.html
> >
> >I would LOVE to start forwarding this link to any of the jobs that come
> >over CF-Jobs that have 'NO TELECOMMUTING' listed in there. :)
> >
> >Rob
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Need CF 5 Studio studio media

[Aaron Rouse]

Why not just install Homesite+ off of a DWMX or DW8 CD?

On 12/27/06, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There was a CF5 Studio?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dick Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 1:14 PM
> > To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> > Subject: Need CF 5 Studio studio media
> >
> > Looking for CD containg CF 5 Studio.
> > Can download or pay $$ too get CD copied and sent to me.
> > Someone sat on my copy and backup copy was flawed...
> > Thanks
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: FW: [JOB] Sr. CF Developer, San Francisco, CA | 70-80k

[Aaron Rouse]

I do not know what the cost of living is in SF these days but imagine it has
not gone down since I looked into it a couple years back.  So that does seem
really low to me but it has been my experience that often time job postings
get one title/description when in fact the job itself is something entirely
different, perhaps that is the case here.

I know out here in Houston that there have been a handful of job postings in
recent months for senior level CF people.  Most of those I believe were in
the $70-90k pay scale.

I am going on around 10 years of experience with CF, been doing it since
just about the begining.  While I might not be the best or worst at it, it
dawned onto me sometime ago that if I want to earn more money I really need
to go into management.  However unless I perhaps looked into working for
smaller companies, most of them out there require a 4 year degree and I will
be lacking one for a couple more years at this rate. Heck many of the senior
level jobs are requiring them these days so perhaps as the old saying goes
 "get to jumpin, froggie"

On 8/22/06, Dave Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> For those of us who have 8+ years of experience in CF, it seems that our
> only option to earn "what we are worth" is to go into management or go off
> on our own doing consulting.  Is this the career path of a CF
> developer?  Surely there are other options.
>
> I'd love to hear everyone's comments on this, especially those with many
> years of experience in CF like myself.
>
> Dave
>
>


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Re: Skill Sets

[Aaron Rouse]

Personally I'd rather see stronger CFC and less CSS or perhaps just stronger
CFC.  For 99% of the companies I have done work for they had designers who
made all the CSS, graphics, etc then had the CFM people come in and work the
magic to make it all dynamic.  So with that being the case knowing CSS well
enough to do cross browser tableless layouts certainly was a perk for the
CFM people but it was far from needed since they never had to write it just
work with already written ones.

I also think you should list HTML, I used to always think if you know CFM
then you must know HTML but discovered I was very wrong in making that
assumption.  I have worked at least one place where the entire CFM team knew
next to know HTML and came down to the fact they knew their RAD tool that
was CFM based and knew had to write the CFM to work with it but almost never
had to whip out HTML.  Probably all boils down to what type of things you
are building and what type of environments they are always being used in.

On 8/8/06, Steve Blades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What do you consider a solid base skill set for an Intermediate ColdFusion
> Developer? The bare minimum that someone applying for an Intermediate
> position should know? This isn't to start another 'war', just to gather some
> opinions. Here's my short list:- XHTML (first rate)- Javascript (maybe not
> everything, but at least be able to write form validation scripting, simple
> DOM manipulation)- CSS (not an expert, but yes, tableless layouts for
> anything but tabular data)- ColdFusion (most basic functionality +
> understanding of CFCs [maybe never used cfchart or something])- SQL (Insert,
> Update, Delete, Join, subselects, heavy basics. maybe can't tell you all
> about Unions)- Some Frameworks Experience- Moving/moved away from procedural
> code to OO constructsOK, so what would you add or take away?Steve "Cutter"
> BladesColdFusion Application
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Re: recruiters with english as a second language

[Aaron Rouse]

Same here, was amazed the first few times it happened that recruiting had
been outsourced like that.  I tried to nicely tell the first couple I was
not interested but after rewording that statement a few times without them
understanding what I was saying I finally just gave up.  Probably does not
help that I generally have a low opinion of recruiters to begin with.

On 3/30/06, Pete Ruckelshaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've gotten a number of calls from recruiters that were pretty
> obviously outsourced Indian callcenter employees who were dialling for
> dollars.  As a rule, I hang up on them as quickly as possible.  I have
> also gotten emails that used less than native English, which I delete
> just as quickly.  Sorry, but if they don't care enough to communicate
> properly and effectively, I don't care enough to respond.
>
> Pete
>
> On 3/30/06, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So...
> >
> > I hope I'm not offending anyone, but at what point do you simply not
> > respond to a recruiter if there's an obvious language barrier? I'm
> > just curious if anyone else has a "rule of thumb" they use, because I
> > just got an email from a recruiter asking me to "revert back
> > positively ... with the resume and the rate", indicating that he's
> > confused the definition of "reply" or possibly "respond" and "revert".
> >
> >
> > It seems like now more than any other time that I've looked for a job,
> > the majority of the recruiters I talk to are some variety of
> > (middle)eastern (I'm guessing mostly Indian, although of course I
> > don't ask) with varying degrees of either accent or language barrier.
> > I really don't want to come across as being insensitive, but some of
> > these people (a good number of them actually) speak english over the
> > phone so poorly that it takes several iterations of a word or phrase
> > before I understand what they're trying to say, and it really makes me
> > wonder how they've even been hired in a recruiting capacity by
> > companies seeking english-speaking workers.
> >
> > My current job search seems to be nearing its end, so I'm not liable
> > to need to worry about it for hopefully several years now, I'm just
> > curious what other people's thoughts are on the subject.
> >
> >
> > s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201
> > new epoch : isn't it time for a change?
> >
> > add features without fixtures with
> > the onTap open source framework
> >
> > http://www.fusiontap.com
> > http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: cost of living estimates

[Aaron Rouse]

I think ugly commutes should be factored in.  You get the added expense of
maintaining a vehicle more so it lasts day to day.  Plus the huge added
aggravation of dealing with the commute.  For the past 5-6 years I have been
commuting an insane amount and primarily because the money was just so
good.  I am getting to the point of that not even being a good enough reason
though.

On 3/29/06, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Isaac,
>
> You may want to try this COS calculator:
> http://www.homefair.com/homefair/calc/salcalc.html
>
> Moving from Charlottesville to Arlington, your salary would have to
> jump up to 106,000. Living further out, say in Gainesville or Manassas
> -both on the edge of the area, you'd only have to earn an extra $7,000
> to $10,000.
>
> The big drawback for both places is that you're looking at a real ugly
> commute.
>
> hth,
> larry
>
>


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Re: Onsite vs. Offsite

[Aaron Rouse]

I have a feeling there are a lot of people out there who may not be very
productive working from home.  I personally get a lot more done when working
from home than coming into the office.  I even get more done when working at
home and watching my 4 year old than when at the office.  However most of my
hours that I bill for are from the office because they want me here to help
others.  Would be nice to just do the job solely from home, but has not been
a possibility for 3-4 years now.

On 3/29/06, John Wilker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Beats me.
>
> I prefer offsite myself too. I try to limit my on-site-ness as much as
> possible. I'm much more productive when I work from home, and can put in
> more time.
>
> J
>
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Re: recruiters and candidate marketing

[Aaron Rouse]

So have you found that "one" ring yet?  :P

On 3/8/06, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It is in the language of Mordor which I will not utter here. :)
>
> > So the S stands for Sherry?
>
>


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Re: recruiters and candidate marketing

[Aaron Rouse]

So the S stands for Sherry?

On 3/8/06, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Heh. I've mentioned it on cf-community in the past. :) Actually I
> accidentally posted the story to cf-talk too...
>
> http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/messages.cfm/forumid:5/threadid:
> 15629
>
> >   Susan's a new one.  ;)
>
> > At 09:39 AM 3/8/2006, you wrote:
> >>Thanks Cutter! :)
> >>
> >> > S. Isaac,
> >>
> >> > Whaddayagobyanyway?
> >>
> >>isaac
> >>ike
> >>try
> >>coyote
> >>susan
> >>
> >>
> >>Take your pick. :)
>
> s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201
> new epoch : isn't it time for a change?
>
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Re: Too much experience

[Aaron Rouse]

Considering he works for Adobe and prior for MACR, I'd guess he was not
making enough to put food on the table solely off book sales.

On 2/14/06, Steve Blades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >   There is no money in publishing. unless you have massive sales.  There
> >aren't enough CF Developers to generate massive sales.
>
> Yeah, I guess Ben (Forta)'s just livin' on the love
>
> Steve "Cutter" Blades
> ColdFusion Application Developer
>
>
>
>
> >From: Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: cf-jobs-talk@houseoffusion.com
> >To: CF-Jobs-Talk 
> >Subject: Re: Too much experience
> >Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:23:23 -0500
> >
> >   There is no money in publishing. unless you have massive sales.  There
> >aren't enough CF Developers to generate massive sales.  I don't think
> >publishing is a solution.  It will just make 'you' look more experienced,
> >and it will be harder to get work.
> >
> >   Framework books are a niche within a niche, and I'd be surprised if
> book
> >sales would reach 1,000 copies.  When I was dealing w/ a publisher,
> 20,000
> >was the break even point.  If you self publish, I'm sure the break-even
> >point is much smaller.
> >
> >
> >At 06:27 AM 2/14/2006, you wrote:
> > >Or, you could collect those materials and see if you couldn't market
> them
> >to
> > >a publishing company. Maybe you have a friend within the community who
> is
> > >looking to publish a new guide to advanced cf programming concepts, for
> > >which your materials might make a welcome addition on the bonus CD/DVD.
> >Or,
> > >you could sit down with some of the other greats within the community
> and
> > >write a book yourself.
> > >
> > >There's a very empty niche out there, right now, with regards to CF
> > >frameworks. The only books are on FB, and I don't think any of them
> even
> > >cover 4.1 yet, even with 5 on the way. I sent Hal Helms an email, about
> a
> > >year ago, about when we might see a book on Mach II (since there was so
> > >little documentation out there), and he told me he was just way too
> busy
> >to
> > >write one right then. Still hasn't happened, and I don't think he's
> >working
> > >on one now either.
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer
> >AIM: Reboog711  | Phone: 1-203-379-0773
> >--
> >My Company: 
> >My Books: 
> >My Recording Studio: 
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> >
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Re: Too much experience

[Aaron Rouse]

Very true, I used to work for a decently sized private University and while
the pay was not all that great the benefits more than made up for it.
Unfortunately I left it because our department was not rock solid and was
uncertain where it was going at the same time a contracting company came
knocking on my door offering a rather large pay rate.  I did that a few
years back and ever since then I keep my eye open for any jobs in the local
universities that I think I would be happy in.

I have been working with CF since it came out and have maybe only once or
twice ran into jobs that people felt I wanted too much money for.  I do
change my rates greatly though, just depends on the type of work that needs
to be done and my interest in it.  I usually do not play up my years of
experience with things which maybe is why I have not really ran into people
blowing me off because they think I either want too much money or I will
want too much money.

I think to pull in a hefty pay range on a consistent basis it takes a lot
more than CFM knowledge.  On the jobs I get paid a high rate on the CFM work
is probably the smaller percentage of the total work I do.


On 2/13/06, Sonya Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> For reference, when looking for full-time jobs, a good place to always
> look
> even with tons of experience would be higher education. Universities
> always
> seem to be more inclined to look at people with a lot of experience in a
> field who say they're willing to work for a limited salary in exchange for
> other benefits.
>
> I took a solid paycut to take the position I have now, but it came with
> wonderful retirement, tuition, health and vacation/sick leave benefits I
> wouldn't get anywhere else. The contracting on the side makes up the
> financial difference and it's a good, stable environment.
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Re: CF or C F ?

[Aaron Rouse]

I think with it being quite commonly spelled both ways it might be good to
mix it up on resumes ;)  That way it might make it through any automatic
filtering

On 1/25/06, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Also, as Beau points out, it's quite common to see it used both ways
> in job posts so it's always a good idea to search for both spellings
> when you do job searches.
>
> -Cameron
>
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Re: A Question For Recruitment Agents

[Aaron Rouse]

When I was working through a recruiter or at least I guess that is what they
were called, I happened to get told one time what they were charging for me
and it was somewhere in the 200-300% range over what I was getting paid.  I
typically stay away from those situations these days, more because of my
dislike with having to deal with them all the time.  I actually made more
money working through them at a lower hourly rate than what I work at being
self-employed due to the tax differences.

On 1/19/06, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   I'm not a recruiter, but from what I can gather...
>
>   If you're consulting through a firm, they are marking up at least 100%,
> if not more.  300% does not surprise me.
>
>w/ full time stuff, it's usually a percentage of your first year
> salary,
> which I suspect is at least 50%.
>
>   They'll never tell you.  One of my friends has been on both sides of the
> fence (He's hired people through recruiters and has found jobs through
> recruiters).
>
>   I typically don't deal w/ recruiters anymore.
>
>
> At 07:55 PM 1/19/2006, you wrote:
> >Out of interest, does anyone know what percentage the agency takes
> from/adds
> >to the rate?
> >
> >I know of one guy who wanted to charge the end client nearly 300% of the
> >rate. That can't be normal can it?
> >
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: 20 January 2006 00:46
> >To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> >Subject: Re: A Question For Recruitment Agents
> >
> >
> >I've had that happen too. I don't deal with them anymore if I can avoid
> it.
> >Agents now-a-days seem to think we (developers, DBAs, whatever it is
> they're
> >looking for) are not people. I've had one go quiet for months. then email
> me
> >again not remembering our previous contact. I had another ask me the same
> >questions he asked in an earlier conversation from THAT DAY!!
> >
> >The industry of head hunting/recruiting has gone downhill a lot.
> >
> >On 1/19/06, Adrian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Companies I can understand. But agents?
> > >
> > > If they can take my email address and send automated emails for other
> > > potential jobs, why can't they do the same with rejections?
> > >
> > > In my eyes it doesn't do their already tarnished reputations any good.
> > >
> > > I read a piece in the BCS (British Computer Society) magazine, saying
> > > there
> > > should be a code of conduct for agents, one that includes letting
> > > candidates
> > > know, in a timely manor, about rejections. I tend to agree.
> > >
> > > Having said all that, I meant to tell someone yesterday that I won't
> be
> > > able
> > > to do some work for them because I don't have the time. Oppps!
> > >
> > > Adrian
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: 20 January 2006 00:02
> > > To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: A Question For Recruitment Agents
> > >
> > >
> > > > A quick question for any recruitment agents on this
> > > > list(or anyone else who
> > > > knows).
> > >
> > > > Twice in the passed year I've started a dialog with a
> > > > recruitment agent,
> > > > only for them to go quite and not tell me that I didn't
> > > > get an interview.
> > > > How hard would it be for them to have sent a quick email
> > > > saying, "they
> > > > weren't interested"?
> > >
> > > > I understand that this might lead to another email asking
> > > > why etc, but I'd
> > > > rather THAT second email was ignored and I knew I didn't
> > > > get an interview so
> > > > you can move on and make other plans.
> > >
> > > > Surely it's just common courtesy, or am I missing
> > > > something?
> > >
> > > > Adrian
> > >
> > > It's become unfortunately common for companies to not send rejection
> > > letters, emails, etc... just what I've experienced and heard from
> others,
> > > so
> > > you're not alone in thinking it's discourteous.
> > >
> > >
>
> > > s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201
> > > new epoch : isn't it time for a change?
> > >
> > > add features without fixtures with
> > > the onTap open source framework
> > >
> > > http://www.fusiontap.com
> > > http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: 2006 Turn Around?

[Aaron Rouse]

At one of the places I do work at there are some people there who have been
doing CFM work for every bit of 5 years and have no idea what cfqueryparam
is amongst many other things.  Then I know we have Lotus Notes people who
have similar "flaws"

On 1/11/06, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   I've found that a lot of people get "deep" into one area of CF without
> getting a lot of "Breadth" of the language.
>   I doubt think that is unique to CF, though.  It doesn't surprise me that
> a developer doesn't know cfqueryparam.
>
>   IT no longer seems to be a field where people are ecstatic about it and
> want to live and breath IT 24/7.  Some people just want to do there job
> and
> go home.  There are always exceptions, of course, but they seem to be
> exceptions rather than the norm.
>
>   I bet the number of people using frameworks in CF is very low (compared
> to the number of CF Developers).  The number of people using an OO
> framework like Model-Glue or Mach-II is even smaller.
>
>   I would expect an intermediate programmer to understand basic OO
> concepts, even if they are not framework aware.
>
>   You're more than welcome to say "but a developer should take it upon
> himself to go out and learn".  I agree (probably most people will) but not
> everyone does it.
>
>
> At 08:11 PM 1/11/2006, you wrote:
> >CF jobs have increased in Ohio. I think if I would have held out at my
> old
> >position for another year I could have had my choice of about 4 different
> >companies. That being said I am pretty happy with my choice to go where I
> >am. However we too need a developer and can't find crap. THe most
> >experienced person we had apply didn't even know what cfqueryparam did. A
> cf
> >developer that knows OOP yeah right. Model-Glue, Mach-II? Those are
> simply a
> >products we sell.
> >
> >Adam
> >
> >On 1/5/06, Robert Reno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > It seems like I have been getting double the usual calls for CF
> openings
> > > in Florida.  Has anyone else noticed more calls where you are?  I even
> had
> > > two direct calls from companies hiring in addition to the recruiters
> > > calling.
> > >
> > > Rob in Tampa
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: 2006 Turn Around?

[Aaron Rouse]

I have been rather busy starting sometime around the begining of December.
I have been turning down a few new jobs since most of my existing network of
contacts has been keeping me busy.  I know in my area of at least 1 full
time CFM job but not sure if any others.

On 1/5/06, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm really busy, but can't say whether this is indicative of the market
> in general, though.
> There are three Dice.com jobs (in my area), which is up from the usual
> 'none'.
>
>


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Re: questions for when hiring telecommuters

[Aaron Rouse]

I have never been in the position to hire someone to do telecommuting work 
for me. I have however done telecommuting work for several places and some 
of which get on these lists. Hopefully some of these comments help.
 I do not think for any of them there was something I'd label as a interview 
process. Not exactly sure why that is, but almost all of them we exchanged 
emails/IMs and I showed them code snippets from prior work and they were 
able to gather my abilities from that.
 As far as access to code/data. In most cases I was usually granted full 
access to the code and the data. Sometimes it would just be to the code and 
no direct access to the database. Most of the time I was given enough access 
so that I could copy or mimic a the development setup to my local machines 
and then develop on them and upload things in stages.
 Only thing I could comment on things being done timely is that what I have 
found when telecommuting that sometimes I end up having to wait on the 
person I am working for. It might be for them to review code uploaded or 
assign a new task or things of that nature. When doing part time work for 
them sometimes if they get delayed I might have to work on other things and 
my free time may not be immediately available when they get back to me, but 
that is usually only when they have an extreme delay.
 The wages I have usually worked for when doing part time telecommuting has 
been $25-35/hr USD and generally it is right in the middle at $30 I do not 
know if that is high, low, or average, it is just the range I have found 
works ok after I take out taxes and everything else is weighed in.
 On 9/1/05, Richard Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm looking to expand my business and would like to hire an employee. At 
> the present moment I would imagine there would be only about 20 hours or so 
> a week.
> 
> As I'm based in the UK (London) I would imagine there are not a huge 
> amount of good CF developers?
> 
> My questions are:
> 
> 1. What sort of wage would a telecommuter expect if they had an above 
> average level experience with CF MX.
> 
> 2. What recommendations do you have so that the developers do the work 
> timely, correctly and of the standard required.
> 
> 3. I've trust issues... what levels of access should be granted to the 
> developer in the beginning stages? How can you ensure that they will not use 
> the information, data & code they receive to their's rather than the 
> businesses advantage?
> 
> 4. What is a good way to conduct a telecommuters interview?
> 
> I think that covers it.
> Thanks,
> 
> Richard
> 
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Re: Expert ColdFusion Developer, looking for telecommuting projects

[Aaron Rouse]

Perhaps it is in Beta or Alpha or RC, of course talking about such things I 
am sure is against an NDA

On 8/8/05, Johnny Le <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Merrimack is not out yet and this person already has experience with it. 
> S/he is truly an expert:-)
> 
> Sorry, I don't mean to be mean, but I have to say something. I can't help 
> it. Forgive me :-)
> 
> Johnny
> 
> I am an experienced and advanced certified CF developer/architect,
> with almost 7 years CF experience (from CF3 all the way up to
> Merrimack)
> 
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Re: CF job/restarting a career

[Aaron Rouse]

I think every person is different in their ability to learn things. I state 
this because when I got around to learning CFCs I picked them up in no time 
at all, probably a matter of days. I did not even use any online tutorials 
or really even look much in the documents. What I did was looked at some 
examples of working CFCs and I just kind of jumped in them with my own set 
goals. 

Having any college degree is definately a perk. I lack one, well one other 
than an Associate of Arts. I know for a fact that my lack of a college 
degree has been an issue with some places to the point of not even looking 
beyond that. Then when I look back at all the groups I have worked in when 
doing CFM, I can not really think of one person who had a degree even 
remotely related to IT.

Knowing a framework can definately be a foot in at some places. I think the 
most commonly found one would be Fusebox so that is where I would start 
learning. I actually know very little about Fusebox but have managed to stay 
constantly employed with CFM work for going on a decade. So I could be an 
example of where not knowing one does not matter. However I have been in 
some interviews where it turned out the place was a Fusebox shop and it was 
frowned upon that I had not worked with it.

On 7/27/05, Johnny Le <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> CFMX 6 and 7 are quite different from CF 5. My advice is to find a local 
> community school near you and learn about CFC and cfmx 6 stuff. Event 
> gateway and other CFMX 7 stuff are not really needed right now, but you 
> should know CFC stuff to make good money. I would advise you to find 
> tutorials on the web, but that would take much longer to learn. The next 
> step is to learn either Model-glue or fusebox framework. Since Model-glue 
> just came out, you would actually be ahead of the game. No one would know 
> you haven't developed for a while.
> 
> Don't worry about CS degree. I have a degree in Economics. No one ever 
> questions my ability to understand programming concepts. The important thing 
> is that you have a degree. I do find that people without a high school 
> diplomat tend to have difficulties understand programming concepts.
> 
> Most of our projects are password protected. So we can't really show our 
> work. You need to describe the sites a little bit in more details. I 
> actually describe individual modules within the site. Calendar, 
> registration, schedule, user management system, payment system, shopping 
> carts are some of the modules that you should definitely describe in details 
> if you have done those.
> 
> It depends on how you look at the world. This could be exciting and not 
> panicking.
> 
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Re: Methods of contact

[Aaron Rouse]

Actually that is what I do more or less. I only provide my cell phone and 
usually chances are I will only answer it during the day if I know the 
number. I actually have had someone try calling me everyday this week from 
some long distance number and they never bother to leave a message pretty 
much assuming that is a recruiter.

On 7/8/05, Louis Mezo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> A good way to deal with this, is provide a number you want to be used for
> such things; rather than not giving out anything. I give out my cell 
> number,
> and keep it off in the mornings so I can get some real work done. I just 
> let
> messages stack all morning, and get back to everyone right after lunch. I
> don't like using company resources for personal matters, anyway. 
> Recruiters
> generally understand this concept.
> 
> Louis Mezo
> LogicSynthesis
> Tel: 240.498.8951
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.logicsynthesis.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:13 AM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Methods of contact
> 
> 
> I was just curious how many times people end up getting contacted by
> recruiters via methods you never have given out. My specific question is
> based around a recruiter calling me at work about a job here in town. I 
> know
> for a fact I have never given that phone number to a recruiter, I actually
> could count on one hand how many people/places outside of work I have 
> given
> the number to. Did not dawn on me during the phone call to ask how they 
> got
> it, did email the person though asking them but never got a response.
> 
> --
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> http://www.happyhacker.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Methods of contact

[Aaron Rouse]

No, I did know his name though because saw an email fwd to our user group 
that was from him with a job description. My only guess is he got the number 
via calling around the company searching for either people by name or for 
people with specific skillsets. That is just the first time it has ever 
happened to me which catches me a little offguard but after talking to some 
people it appears to happen somewhat often.
 When I was younger I'd made the mistake of giving my home phone number out 
a lot of times for recruiters/jobs/etc. It actually got so bad over time I 
finally just had the number changed. I do not mind maybe contact attempts 
about things here in town but when I get contacts about jobs thousands of 
miles away it and from 7-10 people per job,it begins to get annoying.

 On 7/8/05, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Recruiters are [sometimes] slime. Have you had contact with this
> recruiter through other means, or was this his first contact w/ you?
> 
> Apparently I must have given my work number out to some recruiters (Back
> when I worked for someone else). I was less smart then.
> 
> After I left there, someone called up to ask for me. "He no longer works
> here." "Oh, can I speak to his replacement." In a big company, I doubt
> that would raise eyebrows. But, in the small company it did. The call got
> routed to the "development head" (AKA my ex-boss).
> 
> The theory is, of course, that the person who replaced me probably has
> similar qualifications, and might be suitable for the job they are trying
> to fill.
> 
> At 11:13 AM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
> >I was just curious how many times people end up getting contacted by
> >recruiters via methods you never have given out. My specific question is
> >based around a recruiter calling me at work about a job here in town. I 
> know
> >for a fact I have never given that phone number to a recruiter, I 
> actually
> >could count on one hand how many people/places outside of work I have 
> given
> >the number to. Did not dawn on me during the phone call to ask how they 
> got
> >it, did email the person though asking them but never got a response.
> >
> >--
> >Aaron Rouse
> >http://www.happyhacker.com/
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer
> AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773
> --
> My Company: <http://www.dot-com-it.com>
> My Books: <http://www.instantcoldfusion.com>
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Methods of contact

[Aaron Rouse]

I was just curious how many times people end up getting contacted by 
recruiters via methods you never have given out. My specific question is 
based around a recruiter calling me at work about a job here in town. I know 
for a fact I have never given that phone number to a recruiter, I actually 
could count on one hand how many people/places outside of work I have given 
the number to. Did not dawn on me during the phone call to ask how they got 
it, did email the person though asking them but never got a response.

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Re: Does this seem really low?

[Aaron Rouse]

True, although from what I recall they wanted the person to be available for 
a lot of hours per week. Almost too many for a student if I am remembering 
the number right.

On 7/5/05, Connie DeCinko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Or a student who happened to start learning at a very early age and just
> needs something to pad their resume.
> 
> 
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Re: Does this seem really low?

[Aaron Rouse]

Well I guess if I was a homemaker just looking for something to do and just 
happened to have the AS experience then I'd do it. Now if my wife would just 
get that high paying stable job so I can retire then I'd be applying :)

On 7/5/05, Jennifer Larkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> I like how it specifies that you will not be able to support yourself
> on this income, so if you are a homemaker looking for income to
> supplement the income made by your spouse (and you just happen to have
> three years of AS) or you have an existing part-time job that does
> support you (and you think you get paid way too much for that job), we
> want you!
> 
> I really like how the URL at the end refuses connections.
> 
> On 7/4/05, Aaron Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > By reading that job posting, ANY benifit would be considered decent. I 
> know
> > what walmart offers is a lot better than the nothing I get right now.
> >
> > On 7/4/05, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Decent benifits and Walmart don't go together...
> > >
> > > Adam H
> > >
> > > On 7/3/05, Aaron Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > There are some jobs with Walmart that pay more than $10/hr and offer
> > > some
> > > > decent benifits and take very little brain thought.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: Does this seem really low?

[Aaron Rouse]

By reading that job posting, ANY benifit would be considered decent. I know 
what walmart offers is a lot better than the nothing I get right now.

On 7/4/05, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Decent benifits and Walmart don't go together...
> 
> Adam H
> 
> On 7/3/05, Aaron Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There are some jobs with Walmart that pay more than $10/hr and offer 
> some
> > decent benifits and take very little brain thought.
> 
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Re: Does this seem really low?

[Aaron Rouse]

There are some jobs with Walmart that pay more than $10/hr and offer some 
decent benifits and take very little brain thought. 

On 7/3/05, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Yikes I know people that work in our stores' deli deptartments
> cutting slices of Meat that make more than that w/ 20 hours a week.
> Course after union dues its probably less than $10/hour but still
> slicing deli meat vs creating OO flash apps...which one would you
> figure pays higher?
> 
> Adam H
> 
> On 7/3/05, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?rel_code=1102&op=101&dockey=xml/2/5/[EMAIL
>  PROTECTED]&source=2
> >
> > $10 an hour for part time / consultant flash work. Must be flexible
> > enough to provide between 20-60 hours a week. Must know Object Oriented
> > Programming in Flash. You also have to provide all your own software.
> >
> > I read through this job post twice. Am I missing something obvious?
> >
> >
> > --
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Re: People with certifications get paid less

[Aaron Rouse]

I just glanced at the first article but do any of them mention if there is 
any relation between "certified workers" and job security?

On 6/21/05, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Interesting read:
> 
> 
> http://www.computerworld.com/careertopics/careers/labor/story/0,10801,102324,00.html
> 
> http://www.computerworld.com/careertopics/careers/training/story/0,10801,102394,00.html
> 
> http://www.computerworld.com/careertopics/careers/skills/story/0,10801,102564,00.html?source=NLT_CAR&nid=102564
> 
> 
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Re: Cold Fusion Job Resources

[Aaron Rouse]

Very true, also sometimes a CFUG will get contacted by a company directly 
and then the posting is passed onto the members.

On 6/10/05, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> I'd also try finding and getting involved in your local CFUG. Many
> (most?) of the best jobs are never posted to a job board, and the
> contacts you make at a CFUG will lead you to those jobs.
> 
> -Cameron
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Re: What makes a programmer look low level

[Aaron Rouse]

Which still does not return the unique identifier(the value of 
SEQNAME.NEXTVAL) to the CFM page. The lack of returning a the unique 
identifier was one of the big hang ups given against CFINSERT. A simple 
trigger in the database and making sure form fields use the same names as 
columns would make it seem like for simple inserting CFINSERT is just fine 
and dandy.
 And no I do not use CFINSERT :)

 On 5/12/05, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Or the simplified version of the example
> INSERT INTO tablefoo (id, goo) VALUES (seqname.next_val, 'soem stuff')
> 
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Re: What makes a programmer look low level

[Aaron Rouse]

It is SEQNAME.NEXTVAL in Oracle and I'd like to see how you get that to work 
in a single CFQUERY that returns NEWID to the CFM page. Using two CFQUERies 
would at least avoid the need to "lock" anything.

On 5/12/05, Douglas Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> with oracle vernacular the word is sequence. Just perform a query to 
> return
> the next value in the sequence, then use it in your inserts.
> SELECT seqname.next_val as newid FROM dual
> INSERT INTO tablefoo (id, goo) VALUES (newid, 'soem stuff')
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Re: What makes a programmer look low level

[Aaron Rouse]

That syntax is not even valid for all databases. An example I am thinking of 
is how to return the identity when using Oracle. I know the syntax to use if 
just in a SQL client, tried it with a couple of versions of DB drivers with 
CF and never had it work. Of course it could simple just be done with an SP, 
which is what I do anyway.
 CFLOCKing two queries together? Wouldn't that be CFTRANSACTIONing the two 
queries together?
 Wish we had DBAs that could review our SP's to see if things could be 
improved. :(
 On 5/12/05, Glenn Saunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> 
> This has sometimes worked in the past:
> 
> declare @new_id INT
> insert into table (a, b)
> values ('#a#', '#b#'
> select @new_id as new_id
> 
> It depends on the DB driver.
> 
> I've had this sometimes work and sometimes not work. It's almost like the
> driver (or CF) says "oh, this is an insert, you don't need any data back"
> and throws out the data.
> 
> Using a 2nd query to get the identity is not reliable without CFLOCKing 
> the
> two queries together and it's not as efficient.
> 
> One thing I wish CFQUERY could do is return multiple recordsets and output
> parameters back. In PHP you can do this.
> 
> >Just curious, not
> >implying anything wrong with it one bit, but what are your reasonings for
> >using almost all SPs for your DB work?
> 
> Because it's faster in heavy-load environments and it provides a central
> clearing house for db code that the dbas can (presumably) analyze and
> improve. It also lets you restrict direct access to tables, just granting
> EXEC permissions on a proc by proc basis after proper review.
> 
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Re: What makes a programmer look low level

[Aaron Rouse]

CFQUERY will not return back a new identity either, well depending on the 
database chosen it will not without a second cfquery. Just curious, not 
implying anything wrong with it one bit, but what are your reasonings for 
using almost all SPs for your DB work? Also curious the reasons for that 
since different people seem to give completely different reasons for it.

On 5/12/05, Glenn Saunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> 
> Well, for one thing, because CFINSERT and CFUPDATE don't call stored procs
> and we do almost all our db work via stored procs.
> 
> With CFQUERY you can do CFQUERYPARAM to help protect your db inputs 
> better,
> set VARCHAR length, set NULLs, etc...
> 
> But the dealbreaker for CFINSERT is that it won't return back the new 
> identity.
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Re: What makes a programmer look low level

[Aaron Rouse]

These two I seem to never come across, do many people come across code using 
them? 

On 5/11/05, Glenn Saunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I'm also not too fond of code that uses CFINSERT and CFUPDATE usage 
> instead
> of calling a proc or doing it via cfquery.
> 
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Re: What makes a programmer look low level

[Aaron Rouse]

What I have seen some do is put URL and FORM into the REQUEST scope and then 
reference that scope. 


> On 5/9/05, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If a page can be accessed via both "url requests" and "form posts" how
> > does one handle a variable that may be in either scope? Do ya'll use a
> > "form2urlvariable" tag (like what used to be a part of fusebox ) or do 
> you
> > use a different method?
> >
> > This is the one place I can think of where not scoping variables makes 
> it
> > easier. I haven't come up w/ a solution I'm happy with.
> >
> > At 04:28 PM 5/9/2005, you wrote:
> > >I've seen pages that reference a variable like "#user_id#" inside and
> > >outside of a query loop - and the page accepts a url parameter and form
> > >field with this name AS WELL as having a query containing a column with
> > >that name. Not specifying where the variable came from makes the code
> > >much more difficult to maintain.
> > >
> > >~Simon
> >
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Re: What makes a programmer look low level

[Aaron Rouse]

I tend to scope these, it is not out of worry of me not knowing what I am 
referencing or even of someone else coming in and not knowing. I think it is 
more of just out of habbit and it just gets typed. I do know at one time I 
came across a prior developers work who would be in a  and they would start referencing things out of other scopes 
but they never did prefix any variables. It added some time to debuging a 
problem when their query was just SELECT * FROM MYTABLE.
 A lot of the things I do in regards to scoping are usually direct results 
of having to debug someone elses code where no scoping was done at all. This 
made me over time realize I am probably better off typing things out more 
times than not, just so it avoids confusion when never knowing the skill 
level or mindset of whoever it is coming in after me.

 On 5/9/05, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> So me scoping myQuery.varname is essential in a  query="myQuery"> block? I disagree but I know people think
> differently... I do agree with the url. or form. or cookie . though in
> many cases it could be coming from different places so scoping those
> are good. If you understand your current context you should not have
> to scope...unless you are worried about understandability
> 
> Adam H
> 
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Re: What makes a programmer look low level

[Aaron Rouse]

I agree 100% on this, there have been countless times where I was trying to 
determine where #blah# came from. Of course it does not help when dealing 
with someones code who could have #blah# coming from 3-4 different scopes, 
just all depends on which method they took to load up the page.

On 5/9/05, Scott Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> 
> Actually, when you're dealing with code someone else will need to read
> (say, in a multiple developer environment), it helps other developers
> know what scope the variable is in, as well. I can't count how many
> times I've seen a reference to a variable and I've had NO idea if that
> was a URL, FORM, local, or query variable, because the developer who
> wrote it didn't scope the variable reference. #2 may cover that
> situation, but if so it's definitely not implying a "lower level of 
> skill".
> 
> Scoping variables isn't just about making it "easier to read". There
> are definite functional considerations for it.
> 
> Scott
> 
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Re: What makes a programmer look low level

[Aaron Rouse]

This could be purposely done and part of someones style. I always do the 
 method but have seen the other route taken from 
rather knowledgable people. At what point do you decide it would be easier 
to follow some nested if's over one single long if statement. I can not 
really think of an example where a long if or a bunch of nested if's is 
needed. I have seen code before that had a TON of them though and had to go 
in there to debug a problem on it.

On 5/9/05, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> 
> I'm refering to
> 
>   statement
> 
> 
> Where the 2 CFIF clauses can be combined. This was seen in the
> 
> 
> type statements. CF 4.01 added the ability to combine them properly where 
> if
> the first clause of an AND statement failed, the second never happened 
> (for
> example)
> 
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Re: What makes a programmer look low level

[Aaron Rouse]

I am sure you can, however I am referring to the blatantly obvious places it 
is not needed and does nothing more than slow down a page from loading. It 
shows that someone does not fully understand what I would consider basic SQL 
and CFM skills. 

On 5/9/05, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> I can see places where this is needed
> 
> > 3. Queries inside of a cfloop or cfoutput (with the query attribute of
> > course) and could have easily been avoided with a simple join in their
> > original query.
> >
> > On 5/9/05, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> How about we look at what makes a programmer look low level and work 
> our
> >> way up. Two things that come right to mind are:
> >> 1. Improper use of pound signs in evaluation zones
> >> 2. Improper usage of IF clauses (not using short circuited Boolean
> >> evaluation)
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> 
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Re: What makes a programmer look low level

[Aaron Rouse]

3. Queries inside of a cfloop or cfoutput (with the query attribute of 
course) and could have easily been avoided with a simple join in their 
original query.

On 5/9/05, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> How about we look at what makes a programmer look low level and work our 
> way up. Two things that come right to mind are:
> 1. Improper use of pound signs in evaluation zones
> 2. Improper usage of IF clauses (not using short circuited Boolean 
> evaluation)
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Re: What make a developer a mid-level developer?

[Aaron Rouse]

I see, this explains why one of our senior developers matches your beginner 
developer description.

On 5/6/05, Gregory Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Senior implies pure tenure IMHO...I figure you earn the title senior
> when you've been at your company longer than 75% of the developers there
> at your company have regardless of your overall skill.
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Re: What make a developer a mid-level developer?

[Aaron Rouse]

Dang your guru definition makes several self-proclaimed CF gurus look like 
near mid-level guys ;)

What is your definition of Senior? I'd assume that is in between mid and 
guru or does it just jump straight to guru for you?

On 5/6/05, Gregory Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Ok my 2 cents.
> 
> This goes beyond simple programming.
> 
> A beginning developer is just that, a simple code monkey. Give them a
> spec and they can work something functional. It may not be 100% and
> require more thorough debugging, but it will function. Their breadth
> beyond simple programming is limited. Also requiring more supervision.
> Training is limited to correspondence courses in the programming
> language (think MCSD or ColdFusion tech in a box) or just simply
> learning at home with the books.
> 
> A mid-road developer has some time in the business world. These people
> can generate a tactcial plan, even if strategy still must be dictated
> too. Their code is generally good and reliable on the final output even
> if some performance tweaking might be in order. Strategic supervision
> is in order, however they can function as low level managers/team
> leaders without a problem. Training would include a bachelors degree
> with a bit more well rounded focus than just programming (design and
> programming theory included) and/or a few years of real world
> experience, some good war stories to tell.
> 
> The guru. These are the few people in the organization that all look up
> to, whether or not a developer. They often participate in strategy (if
> not the owner who dictates the strategy) as well as lay out tactical
> planning in the organization. The code is top notch, works flawlessly
> and contains performance tricks others might have trouble understanding
> but will blow your mind. They are the supervisors, even executives. At
> this level masters and postgrad work is required alongside tons of work
> related experience (more than a decade), they've been there, done that
> and got the f*ckin T-Shirt so to speak.
> 
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Re: Where are all the mid-level CF developers?

[Aaron Rouse]

I did not run the numbers, but my friend who read some of the articles on 
them said it came out to a $23 million per year savings to use their 
approach. I bet that could easily pay for the maint on a ship, but could not 
even imagine what the initial cost of the ship would be.

On 5/2/05, Fred T. Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> That's crazy, the cost of running one of those vessels just can't be cost
> effective.
> 
> Fred
> 
> On Friday 29 April 2005 16:10, Aaron Rouse wrote:
> > Maybe they could put a ship out off the coast near NYC
> > http://www.sea-code.com/
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Re: Where are all the mid-level CF developers?

[Aaron Rouse]

Only 50+ ? Man, you should see some of the nightmares I have to support 
here. One that I have been battling to get to work all week literally had at 
least 200k(through loops). Have it down to 59k and one stored proc, which is 
still ugly but was a choice of either get it working in CFMX or go back to 
CF5.

On 4/30/05, Douglas Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> That and 50+ queries in one CF page, some of which are repeated. Worst 
> code
> I have ever seen bar none.
> 
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Re: Where are all the mid-level CF developers?

[Aaron Rouse]

Perhaps what you think is mid-level, others think is jr level? What does a 
Jr level CF person get in that area?
 I once applied for a Sr level full time job here with this company I am at 
now as a contractor. They never posted the pay range, I just assumed it 
wouldbe around what everyone else pays. When I got the job offer it was 
unbelieveably low, below 50k but I do not recall the exact number. I 
remember at the time thinking I could make more money being a manager at the 
WalMart near my home once factoring in less driving and so on. After seeing 
some of the projects the person they hired put out, they really should not 
have been looking for a Sr level person and most certainly did not hire 
someone who is at that level.

 On 4/29/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> In a message dated 4/29/2005 1:49:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> All we want are 2 solid developers with 2-3 years experience. Is a $50k
> salary really too little to expect to be able to find someone appropriate?
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Re: Where are all the mid-level CF developers?

[Aaron Rouse]

Maybe they could put a ship out off the coast near NYC
 http://www.sea-code.com/

 On 4/29/05, Kristopher Pilles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> You could outsource the spot? Probally cost you 1k per month for a guy
> in India.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Daniel Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 3:48 PM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: RE: Where are all the mid-level CF developers?
> 
> Like I said earlier, probably most people who work in Manhattan don't
> live in Manhattan - there is easy commute from NJ and surrounding NY
> boros which are a lot more reasonable when it comes to cost of living.
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Haskell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 3:43 PM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Re: Where are all the mid-level CF developers?
> 
> I'm MIDish level(2 years in offices + 3 years as hobby/consulting) and
> 50k would not get me to move to NY heck depending on benifits I may not
> even consider telecommuting for 50k. I would think 50k in NY for
> midlevel sounds rather low but maybe I am off...I would expect atleast
> 55k maybe more depending on cost of living in neihboring cities I looked
> at Cost of living in Manhatten and its saying I would have to expect
> atleast $70k to consider..
> 
> A friend of mine was a manager at Best Buy (mid level store) in Ohio and
> made 45k + bonuses which ussually got him to 50k by the end of the year.
> However if you figured his hourly wage it was pretty low b/c he ussually
> averaged 50-55 hours /week.
> 
> Adam H
> 
> On 4/29/05, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > if I wanted to pay $60-70k I could easily hire a very senior
> > > developers (which seem to be easier to find too!).
> > >
> > > A mid level J2EE developer makes 100K+ easy in SF where the cost of
> > > living is less than in NY... where do you think all the CF
> > > developers went?
> > >
> > > I am a senior developer and I find 60K rather insulting - Fast food
> > > restaurant managers make more than that. If you can get a senior
> > > developer for 60K I'd say grab him/her.
> > >
> > > (PS not to start an up roar - look at the cost of living in your
> > > area before you start demanding higher salary)
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> >
> > Fast food managers earn more than $60k/yr? I don't think that is
> > anywhere
> near true.
> >
> > I used to know someone who worked assistance manager at Mcdonalds for
> $8/hr, although that was a couple years ago, I doubt managers earn so
> much more than that.
> >
> >
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Re: Where are all the mid-level CF developers?

[Aaron Rouse]

I took "advantage" of this last year since a 1099 and self-employed and 
needed a new vehicle. I went out and bought a truck that was of the proper 
weight class so was able to right off a huge chunk of its purchase price and 
that helped me out enormously with taxes for 2004. Too bad I am thus far am 
not finding something for 2005 to help out near to that extent.

On 4/29/05, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> A W2 employee can't take transportation or business meals as an expense 
> but
> a 1099 person can. A person with a small business (such as me) can take
> certain business related expenses for hardware, software, books,
> conferences, etc.
> It's all a game between the government, a company and a person.
> Unfortunately I'm losing it. :(
> 
>


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Re: Where are all the mid-level CF developers?

[Aaron Rouse]

I was curious about that as well. Right now I am doing 1099 and making my 
quartly payments. I figure about 35% of my income towards taxes. When I look 
at my paychecks I feel like a rich man, too bad once I pay taxes(on my own) 
and deal with medical and so on, I am not really clearing a ton of money. :(

On 4/29/05, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> I budget 40% of all my income for taxes. Basically, 33% to the
> government plus an additional 7% (I think that is the "employers" portion
> of Social Security).
> 
> Michael, I'm very curious as to what type of deductions you are taking as
> a W2 employee that eliminates your tax burden, vs what you are taking as a
> contractor. Do you just mean as a W2 they take out money each paycheck,
> whereas w/ a 1099 you have to pay quarterly (on your own)?
> 
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Re: Developer's Exchange (was Re: which one of these things is not like the other...)

[Aaron Rouse]

It is a specific site, I tried some random searches on google before 
replying earlier. However as luck would have it, I can not find the thing 
when I actually want to find it. Here is what I thought it was in reference 
to, now that I found it maybe I am wrong since it is "experts exchange"
 http://www.experts-exchange.com/

 On Apr 11, 2005 1:04 PM, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> A generic reference, or a reference to a specific one?
> 
> At 01:54 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote:
> >I believe it is in reference to a question/answer site online for 
> technical
> >related issues. It used to always be one of the first links from google 
> when
> >I would be searching on a specific thing.
> >
> >On Apr 11, 2005 12:37 PM, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm confused...
> > > when you say "Developer's Exchange" what exactly are you referring to?
> > > Normally, I would have assumed the Macromedia Developer's Exchange, 
> but
> > > it appears not.
> > >
> > > At 01:19 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote:
> > > >Thier forums are pretty nice. THe nice part is if you participatre
> > > >enough you ge tthe premium account free. I think I had to be awarded
> > > >something like 5000 points a month and I got my account for free. Its
> > > >very easy to get that if you are proficient in Coldfusion perl and
> > > >java. I could ussually get the points in Coldfusion questions alone.
> > > >
> > > >Adam H
> > > >
> > > >On Apr 9, 2005 4:27 PM, I-Lin Kuo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >Actually another great resource is Developers Exchange...There
> > > > > (atleast were) some very good people on there to help people out. 
> I
> > > > > used to spend most my free time on there prior to finding here, I 
> like
> > > > > this better no loggins and through email ect. The thing of about 
> DevX
> > > > >
> > > > > How are their forums? I get their email newsletters all the time 
> and
> > > > they're
> > > > > pretty good.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 

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Re: Developer's Exchange (was Re: which one of these things is not like the other...)

[Aaron Rouse]

I believe it is in reference to a question/answer site online for technical 
related issues. It used to always be one of the first links from google when 
I would be searching on a specific thing.

On Apr 11, 2005 12:37 PM, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> I'm confused...
> when you say "Developer's Exchange" what exactly are you referring to?
> Normally, I would have assumed the Macromedia Developer's Exchange, but
> it appears not.
> 
> At 01:19 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote:
> >Thier forums are pretty nice. THe nice part is if you participatre
> >enough you ge tthe premium account free. I think I had to be awarded
> >something like 5000 points a month and I got my account for free. Its
> >very easy to get that if you are proficient in Coldfusion perl and
> >java. I could ussually get the points in Coldfusion questions alone.
> >
> >Adam H
> >
> >On Apr 9, 2005 4:27 PM, I-Lin Kuo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >Actually another great resource is Developers Exchange...There
> > > (atleast were) some very good people on there to help people out. I
> > > used to spend most my free time on there prior to finding here, I like
> > > this better no loggins and through email ect. The thing of about DevX
> > >
> > > How are their forums? I get their email newsletters all the time and
> > they're
> > > pretty good.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 

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Re: interview questions

[Aaron Rouse]

Guess it depends, I could see how learning a new language could be
called learning a new skill.


On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:07:21 -0500, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  I hear people say that a lot.  I really don't know if I agree.  Languages
> come and go, but the concepts behind the languages and good programming do
> not really change.  If you learn the Conncept, you can easily learn new
> languages.
> 
> At 12:52 PM 3/24/2005, you wrote:
> >Exactly. We're in a field where things change and change rapidly. I
> >fully expect to have to learn new skills every few years just to keep
> >up. That person is slashing his own throat with that attitude.
> >
> >larry
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Re: interview questions

[Aaron Rouse]

My only guess is he feels threatened when he sees anyone else doing
something beyond his current skillset.  I'd guess that is only natural
for a lot of people.  I personally try to learn said skillset and
leach all their knowledge :)  Would be a strange thing for someone in
that position to feel though because he probably has more job security
here than anyone else and solely due to all his established contacts.


On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:25:31 -0500, Larry C. Lyons
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I should have said was that guy looking for job security?
> 
> I have had to handle all sorts of crap code, spaghetti code etc. All
> too frequently the person who develped the site was not unintelligent.
> So that's the best explanation I can come up with - he or she is about
> the only person who understands the code, so they'll never get fired.
> 
> larry
> 
> 
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:15:59 -0600, Aaron Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Is there really such a thing as job security?  :)
> >
> > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:20:21 -0500, Larry C. Lyons
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "...it needs to be made inefficient."
> > >
> > > looking for job security Aaron?
> > >
> > > larry
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:04:48 -0600, Aaron Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > But sadly I see no change happening here.  Just yesterday a co-worker
> > > > was "talked" to for using a UDF and some inner joins on a page that I
> > > > helped him with.  The reason was that they did not understand the
> > > > syntax used so that was wrong and it needs to be made inefficient.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: interview questions

[Aaron Rouse]

Is there really such a thing as job security?  :)

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:20:21 -0500, Larry C. Lyons
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "...it needs to be made inefficient."
> 
> looking for job security Aaron?
> 
> larry
> 
> 
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:04:48 -0600, Aaron Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > But sadly I see no change happening here.  Just yesterday a co-worker
> > was "talked" to for using a UDF and some inner joins on a page that I
> > helped him with.  The reason was that they did not understand the
> > syntax used so that was wrong and it needs to be made inefficient.
> >
> 
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