RE: MM Priorties? (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Joe Eugene

Vernon,
We were seriously looking to go to CFMX in the next month or so...with all
these issues being discussed here...dont think we can afford to sacrifice
our development time... fighting CFMX issues

The base of this Thread is some kind of acknowlegment of problems/issues
by MM which would help us plan a safe transition into CFMX.
We are running about 5000 transactions a day through CF Apps
and we have a NEED to explore additional functions in CFMX,
we were also looking to run CFMX for IBM Webshpere.. dont think
any of the above is going to happen in near future with all these issues.

Flash has never been a priority for us eventhough we have the software.

Joe

> -Original Message-
> From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:30 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
> to dump CF!
>
>
> Joe,
>
> I don't want to sound overly defensive, but, to respond to your points...
>
> The development teams are two different groups, so, addressing
> both aren't mutually exclusive, and could very well happen
> concurrently (but not necessarily).
>
> and...
>
> The subject was brought up here, so I thought it would be good to
> reply here.
>
> Additionally, it looked like a great opportunity to emphasize why
> it's important to use the feature request and bug report form,
> even though Macromedia personnel watch this list.
>
> -Vern
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:24 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
> > to dump CF!
> >
> >
> > Vernon,
> > Doesnt it sound logical to clean up bugs in CFMX before
> > thinking of new
> > features?
> > Priorities...? CFMX Or Flash... dont think many ppl here
> > are interested
> > in Flash...
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter -
> > About ready
> > > to dump CF!
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt,
> > >
> > > > it is
> > > > impossible for one to build an application that using
> > Flash Remoting
> > > > with both CF and Java.
> > >
> > > This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our
> > > development team yet?
> > >
> > > http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23
> > >
> > > Vernon Viehe
> > > ColdFusion Community Manager
> > > Developer Relations
> > > Macromedia, Inc.
> > > Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/
> > > 
> > > Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida
> > > Architecting a New Internet Experience
> > > Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002
> > >
> >
> 
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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Stacy Young

I ran into a couple of hurdles, yes...but I haven't rushed into porting old
apps yet 'cause I follow the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" motto. I've
been using cfmx extensively for new projects with great success minus those
hurdles.

I've also found my share of bugs and workarounds...and I get frustrated
whenever Apache releases a new version but...that's life...I've voiced my
opinion and that's that...hopefully they opt for a more flexible model.

>From a product management perspective u gotta take into account the effects
a 1.0 release can have on your timeline...Expect the unexpected...and if
don't have the bandwidth to handle roadblocks...then wait till the product
matures before jumping in head first and promising management the stars.
This goes for any product.

Best of luck,

Stace


-Original Message-
From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:45 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to
dump CF!

Sorry Stacy I am least bothered with Flash and whatever gimmicks
it has to offer.. we all know by now.. alot of the community has problems
with running CFMX in production...This is a very critical problem and has
to be resolved ASAP... Dont you think so...?

We were close to going to CFMX.. with all these different issues.. i dont
think that will happen till next year...
and u guys asking MM to do new Stuff?

Joe

> -Original Message-
> From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:25 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
> to dump CF!
>
>
> OK Joe please let's not start another one of these threads...and I think
> you'd find many CF'ers interested in CFMX/Flash development.
>
> Nite
>
> Stace
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:24 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to
> dump CF!
>
> Vernon,
> Doesnt it sound logical to clean up bugs in CFMX before
> thinking of new
> features?
> Priorities...? CFMX Or Flash... dont think many ppl here are
> interested
> in Flash...
>
> Joe
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
> > to dump CF!
> >
> >
> > Matt,
> >
> > > it is
> > > impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting
> > > with both CF and Java.
> >
> > This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our
> > development team yet?
> >
> > http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23
> >
> > Vernon Viehe
> > ColdFusion Community Manager
> > Developer Relations
> > Macromedia, Inc.
> > Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/
> > 
> > Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida
> > Architecting a New Internet Experience
> > Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002
> >
>
> 

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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Joe Eugene

Sorry Stacy I am least bothered with Flash and whatever gimmicks
it has to offer.. we all know by now.. alot of the community has problems
with running CFMX in production...This is a very critical problem and has
to be resolved ASAP... Dont you think so...?

We were close to going to CFMX.. with all these different issues.. i dont
think that will happen till next year...
and u guys asking MM to do new Stuff?

Joe

> -Original Message-
> From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:25 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
> to dump CF!
>
>
> OK Joe please let's not start another one of these threads...and I think
> you'd find many CF'ers interested in CFMX/Flash development.
>
> Nite
>
> Stace
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:24 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to
> dump CF!
>
> Vernon,
> Doesnt it sound logical to clean up bugs in CFMX before
> thinking of new
> features?
> Priorities...? CFMX Or Flash... dont think many ppl here are
> interested
> in Flash...
>
> Joe
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
> > to dump CF!
> >
> >
> > Matt,
> >
> > > it is
> > > impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting
> > > with both CF and Java.
> >
> > This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our
> > development team yet?
> >
> > http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23
> >
> > Vernon Viehe
> > ColdFusion Community Manager
> > Developer Relations
> > Macromedia, Inc.
> > Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/
> > 
> > Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida
> > Architecting a New Internet Experience
> > Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002
> >
>
> 
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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Matt Liotta

> Actually, you're wrong. I'm surprised you haven't figured out how to
do
> it since you seem to be able to figure out all sorts of 'clever' hacks
> with our products!
> 
> Yes, you *can* make this work but, yes, you do have to violate the
> license agreement to make it happen.
> 
I have figured out how to technically make it work, but as you say it
would violate the license, so I can't really do it now can I?

-Matt

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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Matt Liotta

You wrote...
> The response is "Flash Remoting as supplied with CFMX Enterprise is
> designed to enable Flash / ColdFusion communication". It is not
> intended to enable Flash / Java communication.

And...
> As for your assumptions above, I have no idea about (1) and I don't
> know why you think a Java product would necessarily provide CFMX
> functionality (how would it know about CF code?). I know how to make
> (2) work but I don't think you can do it without violating the
license.
> As for (3), the license and documentation could itemize a lot of
things
> the product doesn't do but it would never be a complete list so it
> would be pointless!

And...
> Again, it *was* a response - you just don't like that response. As for
> the rationale, yes, I know exactly why you can't access Java code
> through the CFMX Enterprise built-in Flash Remoting gateway.
> Unfortunately (for you), I am not at liberty to divulge why that is.

I wrote...
> According to Sean, there is no way to use Flash Remoting with CF and 
> Java from the same application server.

Seems to be accurate.

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901

> -Original Message-
> From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:18 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
to
> dump CF!
> 
> On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 20:45 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote:
> > According to Sean, there is no way to use Flash Remoting with CF and
> > Java from the same application server.
> 
> That is not what I said. You're just twisting people's words.
> 
> "I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my
> telephone.
>   My wish has come true - I no longer know how to use my telephone."
> -- Bjarne Stroustrup
> 
> 
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RE: MM priorities? LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Joe Eugene

Vernon,
It would be much appreciated if MM starts making some priorities
to fix bugs in CFMX and clean up the Application server..rather than
thinking of new features...Atleast try keep your current customers.

Joe


> So that product management knows the scope/numbers of folks
> wanting/needing remoting available to both CF and Java at the
> same time, it's important for each person to file the request.
>
> I'll include this issue in the information I relay back
> internally - but, it really helps make whatever I say have more
> punch, if it's backed up by custom


> -Original Message-
> From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:59 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
> to dump CF!
>
>
> Thanks Stace,
>
> Not to split hairs, but all feature requests and bugs are product
> management issues in the big picture. =)
>
er filed feature requests (and
> bug reports for those issues).
>
> I mean, they like my reports, but they like my reports even
> better, when other data backs up what I'm reporting. =)
>
> Thanks (really!)
>
> -Vern
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:48 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
> > to dump CF!
> >
> >
> > Hi Vernon,
> >
> > Sounds like more of a Product Management issue though...If
> > I'm understanding
> > it correctly, running CFMX on J2EE should make Remoting
> > available to both
> > the CF environment and the underlying Java...
> >
> > I'll toss that in the request form anyhow. :-)
> >
> > Stace
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter -
> > About ready to
> > dump CF!
> >
> > Matt,
> >
> > > it is
> > > impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting
> > > with both CF and Java.
> >
> > This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our
> > development team yet?
> >
> > http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23
> >
> > Vernon Viehe
> > ColdFusion Community Manager
> > Developer Relations
> > Macromedia, Inc.
> > Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/
> > 
> > Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida
> > Architecting a New Internet Experience
> > Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002
> >
> >
> 
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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Vernon Viehe

Joe,

I don't want to sound overly defensive, but, to respond to your points...

The development teams are two different groups, so, addressing both aren't mutually 
exclusive, and could very well happen concurrently (but not necessarily).

and...

The subject was brought up here, so I thought it would be good to reply here.

Additionally, it looked like a great opportunity to emphasize why it's important to 
use the feature request and bug report form, even though Macromedia personnel watch 
this list.

-Vern

> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:24 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
> to dump CF!
> 
> 
> Vernon,
> Doesnt it sound logical to clean up bugs in CFMX before 
> thinking of new
> features?
> Priorities...? CFMX Or Flash... dont think many ppl here 
> are interested
> in Flash...
> 
> Joe
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - 
> About ready
> > to dump CF!
> >
> >
> > Matt,
> >
> > > it is
> > > impossible for one to build an application that using 
> Flash Remoting
> > > with both CF and Java.
> >
> > This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our
> > development team yet?
> >
> > http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23
> >
> > Vernon Viehe
> > ColdFusion Community Manager
> > Developer Relations
> > Macromedia, Inc.
> > Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/
> > 
> > Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida
> > Architecting a New Internet Experience
> > Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002
> > 
> 
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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Matt Liotta

Without getting too deep into the details, Flash Remoting is implemented
with an EAR that captures requests with a specific servlet mapping.
Since you can only have one of these servlet mappings per container, you
can only use one Flash Remoting EAR per container. If you use the EAR
provided with CFMX then you can't use Flash Remoting with Java. If you
use the EAR provided with JRun 4 or Flash Remoting for J2EE you would
need to overwrite the EAR supplied with CFMX. Changing/overwriting any
of the supplied Java classes is a violation of the license agreement and
thus can't be done.

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901

> -Original Message-
> From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:17 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
to
> dump CF!
> 
> Guess my question wasn't clear. Two scenarios we were discussing.
> 
> 1) Remoting on CFMX on J2EE. Accessing CF and underlying java (Can't
do)
> 2) Remoting on CFMX on J2EE + Remoting for Java installed on same box.
> (offering two flash gateways)
> 
> My question was in regards to scenario 2. I can't see how it can be
> disabled
> for the Remoting for Java unless it's JRun specific.
> 
> Anyway thanks for your input. Considering I can not meet your
intellectual
> level, continuing this discussion is futile!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:06 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
to
> dump CF!
> 
> I don't know how to say it more clearly. You cannot access Java
classes
> from Flash Remoting using CFMX. It doesn't matter what version of CFMX
> you run or what J2EE server you run it on.
> 
> Matt Liotta
> President & CEO
> Montara Software, Inc.
> http://www.montarasoftware.com/
> 888-408-0900 x901
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:01 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About
ready
> to
> > dump CF!
> >
> > Oh. Sorry my bad. That's not cool. Is this JRun specific or any J2EE
> app
> > server?
> >
> > Stace
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:55 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About
ready
> to
> > dump CF!
> >
> > Again, running CFMX on J2EE does not allow you to access Java
classes
> > using Flash Remoting even if you run it on top of JRun 4, which does
> > provide access to Java classes using Flash Remoting.
> >
> > To speak to Vern's point, there is no need to put in a feature
request
> > as the feature already exists. Unfortunately, the feature has been
> > intentionally crippled.
> >
> > Matt Liotta
> > President & CEO
> > Montara Software, Inc.
> > http://www.montarasoftware.com/
> > 888-408-0900 x901
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:48 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About
> ready
> > to
> > > dump CF!
> > >
> > > Hi Vernon,
> > >
> > > Sounds like more of a Product Management issue though...If I'm
> > > understanding
> > > it correctly, running CFMX on J2EE should make Remoting available
to
> > both
> > > the CF environment and the underlying Java...
> > >
> > > I'll toss that in the request form anyhow. :-)
> > >
> > > Stace
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About
> ready
> > to
> > > dump CF!
> > >
> > > Matt,
> > >
> > > > it is
> > > > impossible for one to build an application that using Flash
> Remoting
> > > > with both CF and Java.
> > >
> > > This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our
> > > development team yet?
> > >
> > > http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23
> > >
> > > Vernon Viehe
> > > ColdFusion Community Manager
> > > Developer Relations
> > > Macromedia, Inc.
> > > Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/
> > > 
> > > Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida
> > > Architecting a New Internet Experience
> > > Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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Re: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Sean A Corfield

On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 20:44 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote:
> In my book, an answer is
> supposed to be a solution to a problem; not "wibble".

Yeah? Well, not everyone reads your book...

> * Flash Remoting doesn't work...

Blah, blah, blah. OK, now you're really just being annoying. I've 
defended you against a lot of people but I've had enough now.

> Yet it is
> impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting
> with both CF and Java.

Actually, you're wrong. I'm surprised you haven't figured out how to do 
it since you seem to be able to figure out all sorts of 'clever' hacks 
with our products!

Yes, you *can* make this work but, yes, you do have to violate the 
license agreement to make it happen.

As Vern said, submit a feature request (thanx Stacy!). If enough people 
want it...

Sean (who has had quite enough of all the anti-MM flames today and is 
exercising his leeway to be less than politic in response).

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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Stacy Young

OK Joe please let's not start another one of these threads...and I think
you'd find many CF'ers interested in CFMX/Flash development.

Nite

Stace

-Original Message-
From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:24 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to
dump CF!

Vernon,
Doesnt it sound logical to clean up bugs in CFMX before thinking of new
features?
Priorities...? CFMX Or Flash... dont think many ppl here are interested
in Flash...

Joe

> -Original Message-
> From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
> to dump CF!
>
>
> Matt,
>
> > it is
> > impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting
> > with both CF and Java.
>
> This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our
> development team yet?
>
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23
>
> Vernon Viehe
> ColdFusion Community Manager
> Developer Relations
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> 
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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Joe Eugene

Vernon,
Doesnt it sound logical to clean up bugs in CFMX before thinking of new
features?
Priorities...? CFMX Or Flash... dont think many ppl here are interested
in Flash...

Joe

> -Original Message-
> From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
> to dump CF!
>
>
> Matt,
>
> > it is
> > impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting
> > with both CF and Java.
>
> This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our
> development team yet?
>
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23
>
> Vernon Viehe
> ColdFusion Community Manager
> Developer Relations
> Macromedia, Inc.
> Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/
> 
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Re: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Sean A Corfield

On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 20:45 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote:
> According to Sean, there is no way to use Flash Remoting with CF and
> Java from the same application server.

That is not what I said. You're just twisting people's words.

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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Stacy Young

Guess my question wasn't clear. Two scenarios we were discussing.

1) Remoting on CFMX on J2EE. Accessing CF and underlying java (Can't do)
2) Remoting on CFMX on J2EE + Remoting for Java installed on same box.
(offering two flash gateways)

My question was in regards to scenario 2. I can't see how it can be disabled
for the Remoting for Java unless it's JRun specific.

Anyway thanks for your input. Considering I can not meet your intellectual
level, continuing this discussion is futile!

Cheers

-Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:06 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to
dump CF!

I don't know how to say it more clearly. You cannot access Java classes
from Flash Remoting using CFMX. It doesn't matter what version of CFMX
you run or what J2EE server you run it on.

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901

> -Original Message-
> From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:01 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
to
> dump CF!
> 
> Oh. Sorry my bad. That's not cool. Is this JRun specific or any J2EE
app
> server?
> 
> Stace
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:55 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
to
> dump CF!
> 
> Again, running CFMX on J2EE does not allow you to access Java classes
> using Flash Remoting even if you run it on top of JRun 4, which does
> provide access to Java classes using Flash Remoting.
> 
> To speak to Vern's point, there is no need to put in a feature request
> as the feature already exists. Unfortunately, the feature has been
> intentionally crippled.
> 
> Matt Liotta
> President & CEO
> Montara Software, Inc.
> http://www.montarasoftware.com/
> 888-408-0900 x901
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:48 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About
ready
> to
> > dump CF!
> >
> > Hi Vernon,
> >
> > Sounds like more of a Product Management issue though...If I'm
> > understanding
> > it correctly, running CFMX on J2EE should make Remoting available to
> both
> > the CF environment and the underlying Java...
> >
> > I'll toss that in the request form anyhow. :-)
> >
> > Stace
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About
ready
> to
> > dump CF!
> >
> > Matt,
> >
> > > it is
> > > impossible for one to build an application that using Flash
Remoting
> > > with both CF and Java.
> >
> > This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our
> > development team yet?
> >
> > http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23
> >
> > Vernon Viehe
> > ColdFusion Community Manager
> > Developer Relations
> > Macromedia, Inc.
> > Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/
> > 
> > Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida
> > Architecting a New Internet Experience
> > Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002
> >
> >
> 
> 

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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Matt Liotta

I don't know how to say it more clearly. You cannot access Java classes
from Flash Remoting using CFMX. It doesn't matter what version of CFMX
you run or what J2EE server you run it on.

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901

> -Original Message-
> From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:01 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
to
> dump CF!
> 
> Oh. Sorry my bad. That's not cool. Is this JRun specific or any J2EE
app
> server?
> 
> Stace
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:55 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
to
> dump CF!
> 
> Again, running CFMX on J2EE does not allow you to access Java classes
> using Flash Remoting even if you run it on top of JRun 4, which does
> provide access to Java classes using Flash Remoting.
> 
> To speak to Vern's point, there is no need to put in a feature request
> as the feature already exists. Unfortunately, the feature has been
> intentionally crippled.
> 
> Matt Liotta
> President & CEO
> Montara Software, Inc.
> http://www.montarasoftware.com/
> 888-408-0900 x901
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:48 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About
ready
> to
> > dump CF!
> >
> > Hi Vernon,
> >
> > Sounds like more of a Product Management issue though...If I'm
> > understanding
> > it correctly, running CFMX on J2EE should make Remoting available to
> both
> > the CF environment and the underlying Java...
> >
> > I'll toss that in the request form anyhow. :-)
> >
> > Stace
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About
ready
> to
> > dump CF!
> >
> > Matt,
> >
> > > it is
> > > impossible for one to build an application that using Flash
Remoting
> > > with both CF and Java.
> >
> > This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our
> > development team yet?
> >
> > http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23
> >
> > Vernon Viehe
> > ColdFusion Community Manager
> > Developer Relations
> > Macromedia, Inc.
> > Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/
> > 
> > Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida
> > Architecting a New Internet Experience
> > Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002
> >
> >
> 
> 
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RE: convert first letter of words in a string to upper

2002-10-08 Thread Everett, Al

To wit:

CapFirst: http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=9
CapFirstTitle: http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=116
 

-Original Message-
From: Jared Clinton
To: CF-Talk
Sent: 10/8/02 7:32 PM
Subject: RE: convert first letter of words in a string to upper

Chris,

Have a look at www.cflib.org

It has heaps of cool things, and I'm quite sure also what you are
looking for.

Jared Clinton.
NEC Australia.

-Original Message-
From: Chris Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 9 October 2002 7:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: convert first letter of words in a string to upper


I need a function to 
convert first letter of words in a string to upper case.


-- 
Chris Edwards
Web Application Developer
Outer Banks Internet, Inc.
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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Stacy Young

Done.

-Original Message-
From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to
dump CF!

Matt,

Just because something may be intentional doesn't mean it's not a valid
request. Please see my other note regarding the importance of "officially"
putting in your $.02 (or maybe $.04 in your case).

Thanks!

-Vern

> To speak to Vern's point, there is no need to put in a feature request
> as the feature already exists. Unfortunately, the feature has been
> intentionally crippled.

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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Stacy Young

Oh. Sorry my bad. That's not cool. Is this JRun specific or any J2EE app
server?

Stace

-Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to
dump CF!

Again, running CFMX on J2EE does not allow you to access Java classes
using Flash Remoting even if you run it on top of JRun 4, which does
provide access to Java classes using Flash Remoting.

To speak to Vern's point, there is no need to put in a feature request
as the feature already exists. Unfortunately, the feature has been
intentionally crippled.

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901

> -Original Message-
> From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:48 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
to
> dump CF!
> 
> Hi Vernon,
> 
> Sounds like more of a Product Management issue though...If I'm
> understanding
> it correctly, running CFMX on J2EE should make Remoting available to
both
> the CF environment and the underlying Java...
> 
> I'll toss that in the request form anyhow. :-)
> 
> Stace
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
to
> dump CF!
> 
> Matt,
> 
> > it is
> > impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting
> > with both CF and Java.
> 
> This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our
> development team yet?
> 
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23
> 
> Vernon Viehe
> ColdFusion Community Manager
> Developer Relations
> Macromedia, Inc.
> Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/
> 
> Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida
> Architecting a New Internet Experience
> Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002
> 
> 

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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Vernon Viehe

Matt,

Just because something may be intentional doesn't mean it's not a valid request. 
Please see my other note regarding the importance of "officially" putting in your $.02 
(or maybe $.04 in your case).

Thanks!

-Vern

> To speak to Vern's point, there is no need to put in a feature request
> as the feature already exists. Unfortunately, the feature has been
> intentionally crippled.
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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Vernon Viehe

Thanks Stace,

Not to split hairs, but all feature requests and bugs are product management issues in 
the big picture. =)

So that product management knows the scope/numbers of folks wanting/needing remoting 
available to both CF and Java at the same time, it's important for each person to file 
the request.

I'll include this issue in the information I relay back internally - but, it really 
helps make whatever I say have more punch, if it's backed up by customer filed feature 
requests (and bug reports for those issues). 

I mean, they like my reports, but they like my reports even better, when other data 
backs up what I'm reporting. =)

Thanks (really!)

-Vern

> -Original Message-
> From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:48 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
> to dump CF!
> 
> 
> Hi Vernon,
> 
> Sounds like more of a Product Management issue though...If 
> I'm understanding
> it correctly, running CFMX on J2EE should make Remoting 
> available to both
> the CF environment and the underlying Java...
> 
> I'll toss that in the request form anyhow. :-)
> 
> Stace
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - 
> About ready to
> dump CF!
> 
> Matt,
> 
> > it is
> > impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting
> > with both CF and Java.
> 
> This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our
> development team yet?
> 
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23
> 
> Vernon Viehe
> ColdFusion Community Manager
> Developer Relations
> Macromedia, Inc.
> Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ 
> 
> Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida
> Architecting a New Internet Experience
> Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002
> 
> 
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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Matt Liotta

Again, running CFMX on J2EE does not allow you to access Java classes
using Flash Remoting even if you run it on top of JRun 4, which does
provide access to Java classes using Flash Remoting.

To speak to Vern's point, there is no need to put in a feature request
as the feature already exists. Unfortunately, the feature has been
intentionally crippled.

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901

> -Original Message-
> From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:48 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
to
> dump CF!
> 
> Hi Vernon,
> 
> Sounds like more of a Product Management issue though...If I'm
> understanding
> it correctly, running CFMX on J2EE should make Remoting available to
both
> the CF environment and the underlying Java...
> 
> I'll toss that in the request form anyhow. :-)
> 
> Stace
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
to
> dump CF!
> 
> Matt,
> 
> > it is
> > impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting
> > with both CF and Java.
> 
> This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our
> development team yet?
> 
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23
> 
> Vernon Viehe
> ColdFusion Community Manager
> Developer Relations
> Macromedia, Inc.
> Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/
> 
> Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida
> Architecting a New Internet Experience
> Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002
> 
> 
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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Stacy Young

Hi Vernon,

Sounds like more of a Product Management issue though...If I'm understanding
it correctly, running CFMX on J2EE should make Remoting available to both
the CF environment and the underlying Java...

I'll toss that in the request form anyhow. :-)

Stace

-Original Message-
From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to
dump CF!

Matt,

> it is
> impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting
> with both CF and Java.

This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our
development team yet?

http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23

Vernon Viehe
ColdFusion Community Manager
Developer Relations
Macromedia, Inc.
Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ 

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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Vernon Viehe

Matt,

> it is
> impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting
> with both CF and Java.

This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet?

http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23

Vernon Viehe
ColdFusion Community Manager
Developer Relations
Macromedia, Inc.
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Re: delete session vars

2002-10-08 Thread Charlie Griefer

actually, if i'm not mistaken, you don't need the 'bogus variable' anymore.

just  should do it.

charlie

- Original Message -
From: "Scott Weikert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: delete session vars


> 
>
> where 'key' is the session variable in question.
>
> You can do this to clear out your session as a whole:
>
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
>
> At 02:38 PM 10/8/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> >I am new to session vars so this is probably an easy answer, How do I
delete
> >a session var from existence? I  want to be able to make
> >paramterexstits(session.var) return a false after the possibility of it
> >being set to something.
>
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RE: OT: What's the diff?

2002-10-08 Thread Stacy Young

Remoting is available when you install CFMX. Only the Flashcom is an add-on.

Stace

-Original Message-
From: Drew Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT: What's the diff?

Thank you that is ever so helpful!
So, If I will have CFMX and Flash Communication Server loaded on the web
server in question... Will I still need to add the Flash Remoting Server to
the mix too?

Feel free to contact me offline if this is too far OT here.

Thanks bunches!
-Drew Harris

On 10/8/02 10:26 PM, "Sean A Corfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 17:21 US/Pacific, Drew Harris wrote:
>> So, what is the difference between Flash Communication Server and Flash
>> Remoting Server?
> 
> Flash Communication Server is a server (like a web server or an
> application server) that allows multiple Flash clients to shared
> objects and exchange text, images, video - for example you could write
> a multi-user video-conferencing application with it.
> 
> Flash Remoting is technology that allows a Flash client to communicate
> 1-to-1 with either a ColdFusion server (built-in to CFMX), a JRun 4
> server (built-in to JRun 4), other J2EE servers (Flash Remoting for
> J2EE) or a .NET server (Flash Remoting for .NET).
> 
>> I have a project for a client coming up where the front end/UI needs
>> to be
>> done in Flash... and a "desktop" version of the app (data itself)
>> needs to
>> sych with the core web system upon request when it comes back "online".
> 
> Sounds like Flash MX, Flash Remoting (of some kind) and a server
> technology (CFMX gives you Flash Remoting for CFMX).
> 
>> But, in the same breath the client is interested in future modules that
>> allow utilize online communications, such as chat, streaming media,
>> audio
>> conferencing and even "application remote control" or the "multi-user
>> cursors" that come as components of Flash Communication Server.
> 
> Yes, that additional functionality would require the Flash
> Communication Server (as well as CFMX w/Flash Remoting).
> 
> I suggest you read Ben Forta's book "Reality ColdFusion MX : Macromedia
> Flash MX Integration".
> 
> An Architect's View -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/
> 
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Re: OT: What's the diff?

2002-10-08 Thread Drew Harris

Thank you that is ever so helpful!
So, If I will have CFMX and Flash Communication Server loaded on the web
server in question... Will I still need to add the Flash Remoting Server to
the mix too?

Feel free to contact me offline if this is too far OT here.

Thanks bunches!
-Drew Harris

On 10/8/02 10:26 PM, "Sean A Corfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 17:21 US/Pacific, Drew Harris wrote:
>> So, what is the difference between Flash Communication Server and Flash
>> Remoting Server?
> 
> Flash Communication Server is a server (like a web server or an
> application server) that allows multiple Flash clients to shared
> objects and exchange text, images, video - for example you could write
> a multi-user video-conferencing application with it.
> 
> Flash Remoting is technology that allows a Flash client to communicate
> 1-to-1 with either a ColdFusion server (built-in to CFMX), a JRun 4
> server (built-in to JRun 4), other J2EE servers (Flash Remoting for
> J2EE) or a .NET server (Flash Remoting for .NET).
> 
>> I have a project for a client coming up where the front end/UI needs
>> to be
>> done in Flash... and a "desktop" version of the app (data itself)
>> needs to
>> sych with the core web system upon request when it comes back "online".
> 
> Sounds like Flash MX, Flash Remoting (of some kind) and a server
> technology (CFMX gives you Flash Remoting for CFMX).
> 
>> But, in the same breath the client is interested in future modules that
>> allow utilize online communications, such as chat, streaming media,
>> audio
>> conferencing and even "application remote control" or the "multi-user
>> cursors" that come as components of Flash Communication Server.
> 
> Yes, that additional functionality would require the Flash
> Communication Server (as well as CFMX w/Flash Remoting).
> 
> I suggest you read Ben Forta's book "Reality ColdFusion MX : Macromedia
> Flash MX Integration".
> 
> An Architect's View -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/
> 
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> Architecting a New Internet Experience
> Register today at http://www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002
> 
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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Matt Liotta

It appears to break the CFMX license to install Flash Remoting for J2EE
on top of CFMX.

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
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888-408-0900 x901

> -Original Message-
> From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:57 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
to
> dump CF!
> 
> While I haven't used Remoting for Java to any great extent. Could you
not
> operate two flash gateways? (CFMX and Java)
> 
> Although even if it is possible it's kind of ridiculous from a cost
> perspective. If you buy CFMX for J2EE you should be able to remote to
both
> CFMX and Java objects. Considering it's priced per processor I don't
see
> that being much of a stretch for MM's product offering.
> 
> Stace
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:45 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
to
> dump CF!
> 
> > It *is* an answer. Saying "wibble" would be an answer. I never
claimed
> > it was a helpful answer!
> >
> Well if that's the best you can do never mind. Why even waste anyone's
> time with responses that aren't helpful? In my book, an answer is
> supposed to be a solution to a problem; not "wibble".
> 
> > As for your assumptions above, I have no idea about (1) and I don't
> > know why you think a Java product would necessarily provide CFMX
> > functionality (how would it know about CF code?). I know how to make
> > (2) work but I don't think you can do it without violating the
> license.
> > As for (3), the license and documentation could itemize a lot of
> things
> > the product doesn't do but it would never be a complete list so it
> > would be pointless!
> >
> Just to recap here...
> 
> * Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX Enterprise
> * Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX J2EE
> * Flash Remoting doesn't work with CF in JRun
> * Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX Enterprise with Flash
> Remoting J2EE
> * Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX J2EE with Flash
Remoting
> J2EE
> * Flash Remoting doesn't work with CF in Flash Remoting J2EE
> 
> Macromedia is pushing the whole idea of Rich Internet Applications,
> which are supposed to be built using Flash Remoting. Yet it is
> impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting
> with both CF and Java.
> 
> > Again, it *was* a response - you just don't like that response. As
for
> > the rationale, yes, I know exactly why you can't access Java code
> > through the CFMX Enterprise built-in Flash Remoting gateway.
> > Unfortunately (for you), I am not at liberty to divulge why that is.
> >
> Well I'm glad you figured out the rational since you didn't know it
last
> time we talked. Maybe one day Macromedia will actual respond with what
> it is.
> 
> -Matt
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Stacy Young

While I haven't used Remoting for Java to any great extent. Could you not
operate two flash gateways? (CFMX and Java)

Although even if it is possible it's kind of ridiculous from a cost
perspective. If you buy CFMX for J2EE you should be able to remote to both
CFMX and Java objects. Considering it's priced per processor I don't see
that being much of a stretch for MM's product offering.

Stace


-Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to
dump CF!

> It *is* an answer. Saying "wibble" would be an answer. I never claimed
> it was a helpful answer!
> 
Well if that's the best you can do never mind. Why even waste anyone's
time with responses that aren't helpful? In my book, an answer is
supposed to be a solution to a problem; not "wibble".

> As for your assumptions above, I have no idea about (1) and I don't
> know why you think a Java product would necessarily provide CFMX
> functionality (how would it know about CF code?). I know how to make
> (2) work but I don't think you can do it without violating the
license.
> As for (3), the license and documentation could itemize a lot of
things
> the product doesn't do but it would never be a complete list so it
> would be pointless!
> 
Just to recap here...

* Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX Enterprise
* Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX J2EE
* Flash Remoting doesn't work with CF in JRun
* Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX Enterprise with Flash
Remoting J2EE
* Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX J2EE with Flash Remoting
J2EE
* Flash Remoting doesn't work with CF in Flash Remoting J2EE

Macromedia is pushing the whole idea of Rich Internet Applications,
which are supposed to be built using Flash Remoting. Yet it is
impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting
with both CF and Java.

> Again, it *was* a response - you just don't like that response. As for
> the rationale, yes, I know exactly why you can't access Java code
> through the CFMX Enterprise built-in Flash Remoting gateway.
> Unfortunately (for you), I am not at liberty to divulge why that is.
> 
Well I'm glad you figured out the rational since you didn't know it last
time we talked. Maybe one day Macromedia will actual respond with what
it is.

-Matt


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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Matt Liotta

> It *is* an answer. Saying "wibble" would be an answer. I never claimed
> it was a helpful answer!
> 
Well if that's the best you can do never mind. Why even waste anyone's
time with responses that aren't helpful? In my book, an answer is
supposed to be a solution to a problem; not "wibble".

> As for your assumptions above, I have no idea about (1) and I don't
> know why you think a Java product would necessarily provide CFMX
> functionality (how would it know about CF code?). I know how to make
> (2) work but I don't think you can do it without violating the
license.
> As for (3), the license and documentation could itemize a lot of
things
> the product doesn't do but it would never be a complete list so it
> would be pointless!
> 
Just to recap here...

* Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX Enterprise
* Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX J2EE
* Flash Remoting doesn't work with CF in JRun
* Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX Enterprise with Flash
Remoting J2EE
* Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX J2EE with Flash Remoting
J2EE
* Flash Remoting doesn't work with CF in Flash Remoting J2EE

Macromedia is pushing the whole idea of Rich Internet Applications,
which are supposed to be built using Flash Remoting. Yet it is
impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting
with both CF and Java.

> Again, it *was* a response - you just don't like that response. As for
> the rationale, yes, I know exactly why you can't access Java code
> through the CFMX Enterprise built-in Flash Remoting gateway.
> Unfortunately (for you), I am not at liberty to divulge why that is.
> 
Well I'm glad you figured out the rational since you didn't know it last
time we talked. Maybe one day Macromedia will actual respond with what
it is.

-Matt

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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Matt Liotta

According to Sean, there is no way to use Flash Remoting with CF and
Java from the same application server.

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901

> -Original Message-
> From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:15 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
to
> dump CF!
> 
> If you have CFMX for J2EE can you remote directly to Java objects or
do
> you
> need a second flash gateway? (Having to also purchase Flash remoting
for
> Java)
> 
> Sorry if this was already answered but it's a long thread!
> 
> Stace
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:56 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
to
> dump CF!
> 
> On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 15:09 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote:
> > And as I responded in IM, that isn't answer. Why?
> 
> It *is* an answer. Saying "wibble" would be an answer. I never claimed
> it was a helpful answer!
> 
> > 1. If that was true I could buy Flash Remoting for J2EE and use it
with
> > CFMX
> > 2. If that was true then it would work with CFMX for J2EE sitting on
> > top
> > of JRun 4
> > 3. If that was true then the license and the documentation would
> > explicitly say it
> 
> Hang on, you ask about CFMX *ENTERPRISE* and then start making
comments
> about different products! Let's stick to the original question and my
> answer is absolutely correct.
> 
> As for your assumptions above, I have no idea about (1) and I don't
> know why you think a Java product would necessarily provide CFMX
> functionality (how would it know about CF code?). I know how to make
> (2) work but I don't think you can do it without violating the
license.
> As for (3), the license and documentation could itemize a lot of
things
> the product doesn't do but it would never be a complete list so it
> would be pointless!
> 
> > It wasn't a response; it was a copout since you don't even know the
> > rational behind it yourself.
> 
> Again, it *was* a response - you just don't like that response. As for
> the rationale, yes, I know exactly why you can't access Java code
> through the CFMX Enterprise built-in Flash Remoting gateway.
> Unfortunately (for you), I am not at liberty to divulge why that is.
> 
> An Architect's View -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/
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RE: Reading MSSQL 2000 FOR XML AUTO data

2002-10-08 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG

Sam,

hey - that works?  Very cool.  How come it doesn't choke on the UUID as a
structure key name?

-mk

-Original Message-
From: Samuel Neff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Reading MSSQL 2000 FOR XML AUTO data


Tyler,

As the previous poster mentioned, because the column name is invalid it
can be difficult at first to access the data.  However, there is a very
simple work-around.  Use CF's structure notation.  When doing this, you
must use the record number to identify the record in your loop, as
follows:


SELECT *
FROM BOOKS
FOR XML AUTO








#xmlString#


This works fine for me in CF5 and CFMX.

A couple of notes:

a)  Since there is always just one column, you can use ColumnList by
itself without a ListGetAt or ListFirst or anything.

b)  The column name is actually static--it's not supposed to ever change
from "XML_F52E2B61-18A1-11D1-B105-00805F49916B".  That said, I would
personally always use ColumnList, just in case MS changes their mind,
even though we all know they would never do that.  :-)

c)  Remember the XML returned from MSSQL is not a valid XML document in
an of itself--it's just an XML fragment.  It needs a root element to
make it valid.

HTH,

Sam


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Senior Software Engineer
B-Line Express
Advanced ColdFusion 5.0 Certified
Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion


Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:47:20 -0400
From: "Tyler Clendenin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Reading MSSQL 2000 FOR XML AUTO data
Message-ID: <009401c26f03$841244d0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

When i run a query in query manager i get a recordset with the first row
being the XML data in the column of XM_[some uuid].  the problem is that
when i try to obtain this information in cold fusion there are no rows
returned.  anyone know this problem?



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Re: Reading MSSQL 2000 FOR XML AUTO data

2002-10-08 Thread Samuel Neff

Tyler,

As the previous poster mentioned, because the column name is invalid it
can be difficult at first to access the data.  However, there is a very
simple work-around.  Use CF's structure notation.  When doing this, you
must use the record number to identify the record in your loop, as
follows:


SELECT *
FROM BOOKS
FOR XML AUTO








#xmlString#


This works fine for me in CF5 and CFMX.

A couple of notes:  

a)  Since there is always just one column, you can use ColumnList by
itself without a ListGetAt or ListFirst or anything.

b)  The column name is actually static--it's not supposed to ever change
from "XML_F52E2B61-18A1-11D1-B105-00805F49916B".  That said, I would
personally always use ColumnList, just in case MS changes their mind,
even though we all know they would never do that.  :-)

c)  Remember the XML returned from MSSQL is not a valid XML document in
an of itself--it's just an XML fragment.  It needs a root element to
make it valid.

HTH,

Sam


Samuel R. Neff
Senior Software Engineer
B-Line Express
Advanced ColdFusion 5.0 Certified
Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion


Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:47:20 -0400
From: "Tyler Clendenin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Reading MSSQL 2000 FOR XML AUTO data
Message-ID: <009401c26f03$841244d0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

When i run a query in query manager i get a recordset with the first row
being the XML data in the column of XM_[some uuid].  the problem is that
when i try to obtain this information in cold fusion there are no rows
returned.  anyone know this problem?


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Re: OT: What's the diff?

2002-10-08 Thread Sean A Corfield

On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 17:21 US/Pacific, Drew Harris wrote:
> So, what is the difference between Flash Communication Server and Flash
> Remoting Server?

Flash Communication Server is a server (like a web server or an 
application server) that allows multiple Flash clients to shared 
objects and exchange text, images, video - for example you could write 
a multi-user video-conferencing application with it.

Flash Remoting is technology that allows a Flash client to communicate 
1-to-1 with either a ColdFusion server (built-in to CFMX), a JRun 4 
server (built-in to JRun 4), other J2EE servers (Flash Remoting for 
J2EE) or a .NET server (Flash Remoting for .NET).

> I have a project for a client coming up where the front end/UI needs 
> to be
> done in Flash... and a "desktop" version of the app (data itself) 
> needs to
> sych with the core web system upon request when it comes back "online".

Sounds like Flash MX, Flash Remoting (of some kind) and a server 
technology (CFMX gives you Flash Remoting for CFMX).

> But, in the same breath the client is interested in future modules that
> allow utilize online communications, such as chat, streaming media, 
> audio
> conferencing and even "application remote control" or the "multi-user
> cursors" that come as components of Flash Communication Server.

Yes, that additional functionality would require the Flash 
Communication Server (as well as CFMX w/Flash Remoting).

I suggest you read Ben Forta's book "Reality ColdFusion MX : Macromedia 
Flash MX Integration".

An Architect's View -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/

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Architecting a New Internet Experience
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Re: Get SQL Info

2002-10-08 Thread Jon Hall

Ben Forta posted this a while back.

Execution time is easy, just use CFQUERY.ExecutionTime. Getting the SQL
statement is harder, but, if you are using CFMX and have debugging
turned on, here is a function that will do it:























SELECT body
FROM events
WHERE type='SqlQuery' AND name='#queryname#'














-- 
jon
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ben Densmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:57 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Get SQL Info
>>
>>
>> Is there a way to get SQL Info similar to what is displayed in debugging
>> output? Like something similar to being able to grab all session
>> variables or form variables. Such as:
>>
>> 
>> #sql[i]#
>> 
>>
>> Only whatever the value would be. I can't seem to get this one.
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>

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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Stacy Young

If you have CFMX for J2EE can you remote directly to Java objects or do you
need a second flash gateway? (Having to also purchase Flash remoting for
Java)

Sorry if this was already answered but it's a long thread!

Stace

-Original Message-
From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to
dump CF!

On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 15:09 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote:
> And as I responded in IM, that isn't answer. Why?

It *is* an answer. Saying "wibble" would be an answer. I never claimed 
it was a helpful answer!

> 1. If that was true I could buy Flash Remoting for J2EE and use it with
> CFMX
> 2. If that was true then it would work with CFMX for J2EE sitting on 
> top
> of JRun 4
> 3. If that was true then the license and the documentation would
> explicitly say it

Hang on, you ask about CFMX *ENTERPRISE* and then start making comments 
about different products! Let's stick to the original question and my 
answer is absolutely correct.

As for your assumptions above, I have no idea about (1) and I don't 
know why you think a Java product would necessarily provide CFMX 
functionality (how would it know about CF code?). I know how to make 
(2) work but I don't think you can do it without violating the license. 
As for (3), the license and documentation could itemize a lot of things 
the product doesn't do but it would never be a complete list so it 
would be pointless!

> It wasn't a response; it was a copout since you don't even know the
> rational behind it yourself.

Again, it *was* a response - you just don't like that response. As for 
the rationale, yes, I know exactly why you can't access Java code 
through the CFMX Enterprise built-in Flash Remoting gateway. 
Unfortunately (for you), I am not at liberty to divulge why that is.

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Book Review: CFMX and Flash Integration - B.Forta and D.Baldwin & co.

2002-10-08 Thread Stacy Young

Think this book has been discussed already on the list but...well I'm bored
so I figured I give a little review in hopes that'll give a good notion as
to what to expect.

Overall. Excellent book. 

Well written and in an interestingly new format...hence the "reality" title.
In a nutshell the book takes a handful of projects and runs through them as
a "real world" scenario. From basic project planning and management to the
design and coding.

What this book is not!
Anyone looking for a hardcore reference for either CFMX and/or
FlashMX...this is not the book. While it does dip into specifics on
occasion, the book assumes a certain skill level...guess that's why it says
intermediate to advanced on the back.

Who should buy it?
CF developers looking to extend their skillset into the realm of rich
clients. In my opinion, there are a few prerequisites though before diving
into this book. (to avoid flash culture shock). A) Learn how to get around
the Flash environment. Best place to start are the tutorials...you don't
need to be an expert but a few weeks of tinkering with small projects should
do the trick. B) Go through all the Flash MX / CF integration examples on
DesDev FIRST. They're all straight forward and give you the required basics
on the whole CF/Flash thing. You may still get a little lost on the
Actionscript portion but for the most part it's approachable for a
CF'er...All in all a Flash MX basics book would be a great primer.

In conclusion, the format of the book is great because it provides solutions
to a whack of obstacles you're most likely to run into when making your
first rich client app...and more importantly how to tie them together. 

My only criticism is that I think it would have been nice to include a
coding task-list on each chapter for easy reference. (e.g. Chapter 1: Covers
authentication, form validation, custom skin component etc..)...Not the end
of the world but I've been spoiled since the days of BF's classic
Appendices. As well as some deeper detail on the more advanced "phase II"
features mentioned after each project...maybe this is to make room for a
second edition, who knows!

Highly recommend - Next up CFMX and J2EE!

Cheers,

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Re: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Sean A Corfield

On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 15:09 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote:
> And as I responded in IM, that isn't answer. Why?

It *is* an answer. Saying "wibble" would be an answer. I never claimed 
it was a helpful answer!

> 1. If that was true I could buy Flash Remoting for J2EE and use it with
> CFMX
> 2. If that was true then it would work with CFMX for J2EE sitting on 
> top
> of JRun 4
> 3. If that was true then the license and the documentation would
> explicitly say it

Hang on, you ask about CFMX *ENTERPRISE* and then start making comments 
about different products! Let's stick to the original question and my 
answer is absolutely correct.

As for your assumptions above, I have no idea about (1) and I don't 
know why you think a Java product would necessarily provide CFMX 
functionality (how would it know about CF code?). I know how to make 
(2) work but I don't think you can do it without violating the license. 
As for (3), the license and documentation could itemize a lot of things 
the product doesn't do but it would never be a complete list so it 
would be pointless!

> It wasn't a response; it was a copout since you don't even know the
> rational behind it yourself.

Again, it *was* a response - you just don't like that response. As for 
the rationale, yes, I know exactly why you can't access Java code 
through the CFMX Enterprise built-in Flash Remoting gateway. 
Unfortunately (for you), I am not at liberty to divulge why that is.

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Re: sql server connectivity error

2002-10-08 Thread Cedric Villat

Try using "localhost" without quotes as the server. In CF5, you could use
(local) but this has changed in CFMX.

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> - Original Message -
> From: "JLH All Turbo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:24 PM
> Subject: sql server connectivity error
>
>
> Connection verification failed for data source: punkhardcore
> []java.sql.SQLException: SQLException occurred in JDBCPool while
attempting
> to connect, please check your username, password, URL, and other
> connectivity info.
> The root cause was that: java.sql.SQLException: SQLException occurred in
> JDBCPool while attempting to connect, please check your username,
password,
> URL, and other connectivity info.
>
> I'm getting that error when verifying a connetion through the CFMX dsn
> creator.  I also get it when I try to run any CFMX cfm pages that use that
> dsn.
>
> YET when I try connecting and verifying through Win2k's ODBC set up.. it
> works FINE.  No problems... any idea what might cause that error?
>
> I am logging in with the correct l/p..
>
> Jacob.
>
>
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RE: COLLATE SQL 7

2002-10-08 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG

The whole thing.  The syntax here is created for SQL 2000 - not SQL 7.0.
SQL 7.0 doesn't use collations.

-mk

-Original Message-
From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: COLLATE SQL 7


I have the following SQL Create statement ... MS SQL 7 doesn't like the
collate, what should I remove just the collate statement or the whole
SQL_Latin1 ect...

CREATE TABLE [#form.dbOwner#].[#form.dbPrefix#admin_security] (
  [id] [varchar] (50) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NOT NULL ,
  [userid] [varchar] (50) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NOT NULL ,
  [security] [varchar] (50) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NOT NULL
 ) ON [PRIMARY]

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RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG

Paul,

I wouldn't call it a "tip" or a "Trick" either - as it's simply standard use
of T-sql.

-mk

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Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!


> - The multiple SQL statements issue is a data source setup issue (use
> ODBC Socket instead of Microsoft SQL Driver or whatever it's called).
> It just happened to work with a particular CF5 driver but it wasn't

actually the ability to stuff multiple t-sql into one cfquery's been around
since i can remember, so its not particularly related to a cf5 driver. i
would call this sort of ingrained in cf developer's psyche. it actually
still works for the most part.



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Re: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Sean A Corfield

On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 18:05 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
> I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party ... Has Allaire / MM 
> actually
> developed db drivers?

Er, no, I just meant that the JDBC drivers about which people are 
complaining were not written by us... which means that we are reliant 
on 3rd party vendors fixing them or making other drivers available.

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RE: Reading MSSQL 2000 FOR XML AUTO data

2002-10-08 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG

Tyler,

I've done this successfully in CF 5 (not tried it in CFMX yet). There's a
simple trick to it.  The problem is that the column name (a uuid) has
characters that are invalid as a CF variable.  You can't output them without
throwing an error.  For example, an XML Auto query might return:

XM_3jfa-343-bbb

as the name of the column.  CF will choke on the dashes in the variable
name. However, you CAN determine the name of the column using the
"queryname.columnname" syntax.  You can aslo serialize the query into WDDX
(don't ask me why THAT works) - so here's my kludgy work-around example:

..run the query


SELECT * FROM myTable
FOR XML AUTO





... only one column is returned so this statement gives you the offending
string 



...Serialize the data inot a WDDX string



Replace the offending string with a valid CF variable name that
represents the column of data.







I hope this helps - let me know if it's not clear.

P.S. - If you are having trouble in this with CFMX contact me off list and
I'll help you work through it.  There are also some other tricks for setting
up that return XML to be structured in a readable or logical way.

-mark



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Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Reading MSSQL 2000 FOR XML AUTO data


When i run a query in query manager i get a recordset with the first row
being the XML data in the column of XM_[some uuid].  the problem is that
when i try to obtain this information in cold fusion there are no rows
returned.  anyone know this problem?



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RE: Can we help? (was RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)

2002-10-08 Thread Joe Eugene

I personally think.. alot of the problems are due to making CFMX
very backward compatible with older versions of CF.
Why did MM claim CFMX backward compatible? Why not .NET Strategy?

Again i think its the responsibility of developers to test their code
on a totally different product(CFMX)..Load Test..etc. before going into
production.

Well MM should have already done this... and documented rules of
new coding in RED rather than have developers waste time fighting issues.
Hopefully we will see some better standards from MM.

Joe


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> From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 7:49 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Can we help? (was RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready
> to dump CF!)
>
>
> On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 10:55 US/Pacific, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > I personally believe that this is the root of nearly every problem at
> > Macromedia right now.  Internally and externally.  Internally, probably
> > mostly due to the fragmented communities of employees in the east/west
> > coast
>
> You'd probably be amazed at how much communication goes on here. In
> fact, folks from both coasts have been discussing these threads
> internally most of the day.
>
> > Externally, the MM.com website is disorganized,
> > hard to navigate, and riddled with inconsistencies.
>
> It's no secret that we're redesigning the site to make it more
> user-focused and task-focused in order to address these problems.
> Again, we talk to users, we take notes, we figure out how to improve
> things. Your feedback is good.
>
> > As has also been
> > brought up, a definite wall is up between developers and staff if you
> > try to
> > go through "normal" channels for support.
>
> Well, you can't really expect a few dozen developers to directly
> support a few hundred thousand CF programmers! :)
>
> > As I've said on
> > other lists, the wishlist is not an effective bug submission channel.
>
> But it is the only *official* channel right now.
>
> > I really love ColdFusion, I want to help fix things.
>
> I think that, deep down, almost everyone here feels the same - no
> matter what the tone of the 'flames' here might suggest...
>
> > I know people at Macromedia are
> > listening because they are here on this (and other) lists, but are
> > they the
> > right people?  Are they the people who can make real changes?
>
> Er, yes, I think so. We're certainly trying to resolve the issues that
> are coming up so that the community's perception of Macromedia will
> improve.
>
> > Vernon, Sean, Jesse, Mike - What else can we developers do to fix
> > things?
>
> Vern will probably cringe but... Y'all could stop bashing MM and focus
> on helping us help you resolve problems. Let's stop the whole "CF sux!
> Macromedia sux! I'm going to .NET if you don't solve my problems
> *immediately*!" thing. I know it makes people feel better to vent a bit
> but... really... these recent threads are a bit much!
>
> Yes, there are clearly issues that need attention and some of the ones
> we're hearing about through the forums (but not through the official
> channels, I would note!) are hard to track down, hard to reproduce and
> hard to debug.
>
> People seem to have accepted as fact - and best practice - that you
> have to zealously lock all shared scope variable access in CF5 and
> earlier even though that was really to work around bugs in the server
> itself. Hopefully, people will find a similar acceptance for the new
> best practices we may all have to adopt for this new release of
> ColdFusion. And remember that best practices often change with each
> language / product version - try to think back to some of the earlier
> CF upgrades!
>
> "I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my
> telephone.
>   My wish has come true - I no longer know how to use my telephone."
> -- Bjarne Stroustrup
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RE: Kinda OT: IIS Perf Counter - Separate Webs?

2002-10-08 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG

Lee - are you using host header and virtuals?  I would guess that the
counters only work for sites that have separate ip addresses.  I don't know
this for a fact however.  A quick search on MSDN would verify. I have used
the instance counters successfully before.

-mk

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Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Kinda OT: IIS Perf Counter - Separate Webs?


Nope.. Doesn't work.  Even if you select a "site", the counter is
identical to the "_total" instance.  Each time.. Trust me. :)



| -Original Message-
| From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:29 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: RE: Kinda OT: IIS Perf Counter - Separate Webs?
|
|
| If you are using perfmon (on win2k or nt) there are
| "instance" counters in the GUI - to the left.  You should see
| a top indicator that says "_total" and sub indicators - one
| for each site.  Select the "site" you want to check instead
| of "_total" and you will see the subset of counter numbers.
|
| -mk
|
| -Original Message-
| From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:56 PM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: Kinda OT: IIS Perf Counter - Separate Webs?
|
|
| Kinda relating to the fact that we're monitoring this server
| that keeps dying...
|
| Has anyone figured out how to truly separate web sites in the
| performance counters, so that current connections selected
| for one site doesn't really show ALL the connections for the
| entire box?  (i.e., see each counter for each site
| separately.. Like the functionality implies)?
|
| Just a shot in the dark...
|
|
|
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RE: Problems with CFMX?

2002-10-08 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG

Rob,

I get it that cfinclude is a pointer to other files - but I can't see that
this is not relevant to CFMX (is it?) since it compiles the code into Java
byte code.  Does each file become a separate class file? - or does the whole
request get compiled into a single class file?  I'm having trouble
reconciling what I know about how CFMX works internally with this idea.
What if - for example - I did this:






... Inside the myIncludefile.cfm file I reference the "somevar" variable.

How is this handled?  Since there is an external dependency in the included
file, is the file still compiled individually?  Or is the whole request -
root page and includ - compiled together.  I find it hard to believe that
each file is compiled separately as if it were a java class.  I rather
suspect that each unique sequence of files would be compiled as a separate
class. Do you see what I mean?

-mk

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Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Problems with CFMX?


Mark,
The mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:09 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Problems with CFMX?


Rob,

Can you elaborate on the "large file" issue?  For example, if I have the
following:


... other includes depending on the event 














 and assuming that each of these scripts is a couple hundred lines or
so - is that a CFMX killer, or is that ok?  I realize that using CFC's
eliminate the necessity of problems like this and we are actively do that
for projects "going forward" - but what about complex aps written for CF 4.x
or 5?

-mk



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From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:46 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Problems with CFMX?


Hi Mark,
We have a very large site, and have had a few problems.

Here are some other thing you need to watch for / problems we had/have:

1. MX can not handle large .cfm files. By large I mean > ~850 lines of code
2. You could have some issues if you use fusebox methodology.
3. Jacked up database connections - I believe these are due to the fact
that MS doesn't have a SQL *7* JDBC Driver. Since you are using SQL2000 they
have native JDBC drivers so you *might* not have issues.
4. Sloppy code
5. XSL transformations can not have variables passed into them

On the plus side:
MX does XML building really, really cool and in a groovy way
Once complied the "feel" of MX is quite snappy.
Debugging is rad - especially if you know Java
CFC are cool
in cfscript you can use normal tags!

Cheers,
Rob


-Original Message-
From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Problems with CFMX?


I have been watching threads like "LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to
dump CF" and "CFMX - I've never seen anything so unstable in my life" over
the past few weeks.  What has me concerned is this next few weeks I am going
to upgrade a fairly large site to CFMX.  The site currently runs CF 5 and MS
SQL 2000.  Are there a large number of problems with CFMX that I should know
about?  Luckily I have a few weeks to play with the new servers before they
go live.

Any ETA on a CFMX .1 update?  (is one needed)

Thanks

Mark W. Breneman
-Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer
-Network / Web Server Administrator
  Vivid Media
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.vividmedia.com
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Re: repost: cfcontent trys to download

2002-10-08 Thread S . Isaac Dealey

> Hi,
> I have two servers, on one cfcontent acts as expected it
> browses the file
> I'm pushing. On the other it tries to download it as the
> .cfm page. Any
> clues as to why this would happen. I"m looking at all of
> the differences of
> the machines and can't find much.

Are you talking about just not passing the correct file name? ...

I've run into similar problems which I was under the impression was client
related rather than server, where a cfheader and cfcontent pair which work
properly on one browser don't on another... these days I'm using this:



hth

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OT: COLLATE SQL 7

2002-10-08 Thread Paul Giesenhagen

I have the following SQL Create statement ... MS SQL 7 doesn't like the collate, what 
should I remove just the collate statement or the whole SQL_Latin1 ect...

CREATE TABLE [#form.dbOwner#].[#form.dbPrefix#admin_security] (
  [id] [varchar] (50) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NOT NULL ,
  [userid] [varchar] (50) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NOT NULL ,
  [security] [varchar] (50) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NOT NULL 
 ) ON [PRIMARY]

Thanks
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Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Paul Hastings

> - The multiple SQL statements issue is a data source setup issue (use
> ODBC Socket instead of Microsoft SQL Driver or whatever it's called).
> It just happened to work with a particular CF5 driver but it wasn't

actually the ability to stuff multiple t-sql into one cfquery's been around
since i can remember, so its not particularly related to a cf5 driver. i
would call this sort of ingrained in cf developer's psyche. it actually
still works for the most part.



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CFMX wipes session vars after Verity update?

2002-10-08 Thread Gyrus

Just had a curious glitch in an app (running CFMX with updater on my local
WinXP Pro desktop):

Using the developer tools interface I've built into my app, I went and
created the Verity collection for indexing a directory of files. Fine. Then
I selected the option to update (i.e. index) the collection. There was the
usual pause while it indexed, then I was promptly thrown back to my login
form. Apparently, my session vars no longer existed.

The code I running was a plain CFINDEX:

  
  
   
   
  
  
  
  
  
   
  

I don't know *for sure* that the session variables had gone - I've logged
back in now and the indexing worked OK. But, to my eyes, it seemed that my
session had just been wiped.

Anyone come across anything like this before?

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Re: Get SQL Info

2002-10-08 Thread Matthew Walker

Doesn't work for me. I think Ben wants a dump of all the SQL run on the
page, as you get with the debugging output.

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>  in 5+
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Densmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:57 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Get SQL Info
>
>
> Is there a way to get SQL Info similar to what is displayed in debugging
> output? Like something similar to being able to grab all session
> variables or form variables. Such as:
>
> 
> #sql[i]#
> 
>
> Only whatever the value would be. I can't seem to get this one.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
>
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3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread S . Isaac Dealey

> Examples of configuration (to some degree):
> - The multiple SQL statements issue is a data source setup
> issue (use ODBC Socket instead of Microsoft SQL Driver or
> whatever it's called). It just happened to work with a particular
> CF5 driver but it wasn't intentional (despite Ben's 'hints & tips').
> Change configuration and it solves the problem. Bear in mind
> also that the JDBC drivers are *third-party*, not
> Macromedia-developed.

I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party ... Has Allaire / MM actually
developed db drivers?


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RE: Buying CF5 (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Mike Brunt

Sean, I think that is a good move I also know that CFMX will prove to be an
immense product and that Macromedia have repeatedly listened to what we have
said on CF_Talk and that there is a lot of appreciation from many of us here
for that.  I would also like to say that your repeated assistance is much
appreciated.

Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO
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Subject: Buying CF5 (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump
CF!


On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 11:27 US/Pacific, Jillian Carroll wrote:
> I can tell you what the haste is... I am looking to install CF on a new
> server... and I can no longer purchase CF 5.

Not true:

http://www.corfield.org/blog/2002_10_01_archive.html#82381859

It was even discussed on this list recently.

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Re: convert first letter of words in a string to upper

2002-10-08 Thread Jon Hall

http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=9

-- 
jon
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Tuesday, October 8, 2002, 5:31:50 PM, you wrote:

CE> I need a function to 
CE> convert first letter of words in a string to upper case.

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Re: cfflush on mx small data pools

2002-10-08 Thread S . Isaac Dealey

I'd start by removing the interval attribute -- it's not required and
without it, the tag just flushes everything in the buffer at the point the
flush is reached -- the interval is intended for something like this:


#some query variables here#



The idea being that the page will load faster overall if it flushes only
after every 1kb of display instead of after every iteration of the loop,
since each flush takes some time away from the CF thread which is processing
the page.

hth

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> I am trying to flush a very small amount of data on mx but
> don't seem to be
> able to get the following to flush:

> 
>  
>  
>   Processing.
>  
>  
>  processing
>  
>  

> I would like it to flush immeadiately--its a payment page
> and I want to let
> users know something is happening.  The text does not
> appear until the page
> loads (15-30 seconds later).

> Any ideas?

> Thanks,

> Sam




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RE: 2nd question - Run MX as nobody? - Solution

2002-10-08 Thread Jesse Noller

 Seems my email is acting wonky all of a sudden. Hopefully this hits. 

The problem you guys are running into is that the "nobody" user does not have a 
defined shell. 

You need to run CF as a user with a valid shell on solaris, solaris does not allow SU 
to define a shell for temporary command-running use like Linux.

Therefore, simply create a user on the system with a valid shell, and set CF to run as 
that, and you'll be fine.

Jesse 


-Original Message-
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To: CF-Talk
Sent: 10/8/2002 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: 2nd question - Run MX as nobody?

Cathy Taylor wrote:
>> I'm trying to evaluate our CF MX upgrade on Solaris before I turn our

>> masses loose on it. I can't run it as root and our security 
>> regulations forbid me from creating a new user to run it as (that 
>> wouldn't work anyway since our web server runs as nobody). I've read 
>> the docs and modified the user to "nobody", but it won't start. The 
>> error log just says 'su no shell'. Of course nobody has no shell, but

>> I'm sure it must be able to run that way. Am I missing something?

I just checked one of our QA servers and we are indeed running it as 
nobody:

   nobody 24650 24648  0   Sep 30 ?   306:11 
/data/www/appserver/cfusionmx/bin/cfusion -start default
   nobody 24648 1  0   Sep 30 ?0:00 
/data/www/appserver/cfusionmx/bin/cfusion -autorestart -start default
scorfiel 28370 28362  0 13:38:39 pts/10:00 fgrep cf

Then I checked another one:

scorfiel 23763 23758  0 13:40:03 pts/20:00 fgrep cf
   nobody 27009 27007  0   Sep 04 ?   1435:01 
/data/www/appserver/neo/bin/cfusion -start default
   nobody 27007 1  0   Sep 04 ?0:00 
/data/www/appserver/neo/bin/cfusion -autorestart -start default

Also running as nobody (that one's a production server, BTW).

As far as I know, our guys just followed the installation instructions 
but I'll ask them if there were any issues around the 'nobody' user.

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Re: looping through a text string

2002-10-08 Thread Dina Hess

Looking for something like this?




 #word#


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> What would be the delimiter if you wanted to loop through a
text string?
>
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OT: What's the diff?

2002-10-08 Thread Drew Harris

This is OT but I hope someone here can help.

So, what is the difference between Flash Communication Server and Flash
Remoting Server?

More specifically, does Flash Communication Server come with Flash Remoting
Server built in, or do I need both?

I have a project for a client coming up where the front end/UI needs to be
done in Flash... and a "desktop" version of the app (data itself) needs to
sych with the core web system upon request when it comes back "online".

But, in the same breath the client is interested in future modules that
allow utilize online communications, such as chat, streaming media, audio
conferencing and even "application remote control" or the "multi-user
cursors" that come as components of Flash Communication Server.

Please help me understand...
Confused,
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Re: convert first letter of words in a string to upper

2002-10-08 Thread S . Isaac Dealey

http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=116

Isaac
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> I need a function to
> convert first letter of words in a string to upper case.


> --
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RE: Return a Sub-Query as a Comma Delimited List

2002-10-08 Thread S . Isaac Dealey

This explains why I didn't understand how coallesce was supposed to produce
a comma delimited list...

DECLARE @EmployeeList varchar(100)

SELECT @EmployeeList = COALESCE(@EmployeeList + ',', '') +
   CAST(Emp_UniqueID AS varchar(5))
FROM SalesCallsEmployees
WHERE SalCal_UniqueID = 1

SELECT @EmployeeList

There are a number of "hacks" going on here -- it _must_ be SELECT @mylist =
COALESCE(... and not SELECT COALESCE(... which just returns one row for each
item you want in the list. You can put the above code in a  tag,
but it won't return the list ( actually the query is undefined after running
it, although it runs okay ) -- at least that's my experience using the odbc
drivers in cf 5 ... so it would have to be in a stored procedure to get
anything out of it... But in those unique instances where you really want a
list in a column from the db, this would be really useful. :)

Isaac
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> You may want to look at this
> http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=2368

> I tried this a few weeks ago. Seems that it needs to be a
> stored procedure
> to run. I was looking for a solution that involved a
> simple query.  But, it
> may help you.

> Mark W. Breneman
> -Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer
> -Network / Web Server Administrator
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> -Original Message-
> From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:32 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Return a Sub-Query as a Comma Delimited List


> The subject line says it all... I am writing a query for
> MS SQL Server and
> need to return a comma delimited list of values from a
> subquery in the
> select statement. Anyone know a way to do this?

> For instance, I have a tasks table, a users table, and a
> reference table
> linking multiple users to tasks. I want each row of the
> results to display
> the task title along with a comma delimited list of the
> names of users
> assigned to the task.

> Normally, this is something I would do in CF by grouping
> the output, but in
> this instance it is important to return the results
> without grouping them.

> Any help is appreciated, thanks,

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RE: Problems with CFMX?

2002-10-08 Thread Devin Callaway

Yes sometimes but sometimes it will just crap out all together.  Not completely blank 
if you view source it would be a fully formed html page but that's it.   In a support 
call with macromedia they actually recreated the problem inhouse and have identified 
the problem that I was having as a bug in  Linux kernel & JVM -- see 
http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4650839.html
and http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4654490.html.  Not to say 
that I could make much sence out of those too links, I am not a java or linux kernal 
expert by a long shot.   

They are working on a fix.  I did switch to the IBM jvm of my own accord and have had 
2.5 days of up time which is a very good showing so far. My hopes will not up until I 
see something like 12 or 22 days of up time.   The reason that I posted was to get 
more info about how large cfm pages cause problems mainly because we have a lot fo 
large cfm pages.   I had told macromedia about the large files and they didn't make a 
big deal out of it.  

-d-



>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/08/02 12:15PM >>>
When you get the outofmemory errors, are your cfm pages displayed blank
in the browser?

~~
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> |-Original Message-
> |From: Devin Callaway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> |Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:40 PM
> |To: CF-Talk
> |Subject: RE: Problems with CFMX? 
> |
> |
> |Could someone comment on the large .cfm files issue.   We 
> |have quite a few files that are very large like > 1000 lines 
> |but the maybe 5 lines of actual cfml the rest html.  We are 
> |having problems with our servers restarts and 
> |Java.lang.outofmemory errors.   We do have a support call in 
> |with macromedia they are working on a fix for our problem.  
> |They did not focus on large pages.  I was wondering if the 
> |large cfm files causing a problem is documented anywhere?
> |
> |
> |-d-
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |Devin Callaway
> |Westminster College
> |Information Technology
> |[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> |801-832-2002
> |
> |
> |>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/08/02 10:46AM >>>
> |
> |
> | 1. MX can not handle large .cfm files. By large I mean 
> |> ~850 lines of code
> |
> |
> |
> |-Original Message-
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> |Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:32 AM
> |To: CF-Talk
> |Subject: Problems with CFMX?
> |
> |
> |I have been watching threads like "LONG time CF Supporter - 
> |About ready to dump CF" and "CFMX - I've never seen anything 
> |so unstable in my life" over the past few weeks.  What has 
> |me concerned is this next few weeks I am going to upgrade a 
> |fairly large site to CFMX.  The site currently runs CF 5 and 
> |MS SQL 2000.  Are there a large number of problems with CFMX 
> |that I should know about?  Luckily I have a few weeks to 
> |play with the new servers before they go live.
> |
> |Any ETA on a CFMX .1 update?  (is one needed)
> |
> |Thanks
> |
> |Mark W. Breneman
> |-Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer
> |-Network / Web Server Administrator
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> |
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Re: looping through a text string

2002-10-08 Thread Brian Thornton

Finds out if the string has alpha in it


Finds out if the string has numbers in it

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Subject: Re: looping through a text string


> why delimiter?
>
> 
> #mid(myString, i, "1")#
> 
>
> one way to skin that particular cat, i suppose...
>
>
>
>
> Brian Thornton writes:
>
> > What would be the delimiter if you wanted to loop through a text string?
> >
> >
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Not Another MX boo boo?

2002-10-08 Thread Sean A Corfield

On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 14:07 US/Pacific, Rob Rohan wrote:
> dateFormat(now(), "dd/mm/yy (ddd)")
>
> No longer works in MX. looks like only certain characters work in date
> format.

I get:

date is 08/10/02 (Tue)

using this code:



date is #str#


Can you be a bit more precise about what "No longer works" about this 
please?

(And perhaps use a less confrontational subject line? :)


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Re: sql server connectivity error

2002-10-08 Thread Sean A Corfield

On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 14:24 US/Pacific, JLH All Turbo wrote:
> I'm getting that error when verifying a connetion through the CFMX dsn
> creator.  I also get it when I try to run any CFMX cfm pages that use 
> that
> dsn.
>
> YET when I try connecting and verifying through Win2k's ODBC set up.. 
> it
> works FINE.  No problems... any idea what might cause that error?

You probably need to specify the username/password in the Advanced 
Settings in the CF data source setup. That seems to be the most common 
omission that causes this problem.

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Re: Share Settings w/Eachother?

2002-10-08 Thread Sean A Corfield

On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 14:15 US/Pacific, Lee Fuller wrote:
> Sorry.. Let me clarify..
>
> I was specifically talking about the "Server Settings" section of the
> summary.  I know that you probably don't want your datasources, etc.,
> all strewn about the net. :)

And also make sure y'all don't accidentally post serial numbers (which 
CF helpfully shows in the Settings Summary page!)

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Snippet Re: looping through a text string

2002-10-08 Thread Brian Thornton

Broke out the RegEx manual.

- Original Message -
From: "Everett, Al" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:51 PM
Subject: RE: looping through a text string


> There wouldn't be one. You could do this, though:
>
> 
>  
>  ...
> 
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brian Thornton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:22 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: looping through a text string
> >
> >
> > What would be the delimiter if you wanted to loop through a
> > text string?
> >
> >
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repost: cfcontent trys to download

2002-10-08 Thread Robert Shaw

Hi,
I have two servers, on one cfcontent acts as expected it browses the file 
I'm pushing. On the other it tries to download it as the .cfm page. Any 
clues as to why this would happen. I"m looking at all of the differences of 
the machines and can't find much.

TIA,
Rob




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Re: Can we help? (was RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)

2002-10-08 Thread Sean A Corfield

On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 10:55 US/Pacific, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> I personally believe that this is the root of nearly every problem at
> Macromedia right now.  Internally and externally.  Internally, probably
> mostly due to the fragmented communities of employees in the east/west 
> coast

You'd probably be amazed at how much communication goes on here. In 
fact, folks from both coasts have been discussing these threads 
internally most of the day.

> Externally, the MM.com website is disorganized,
> hard to navigate, and riddled with inconsistencies.

It's no secret that we're redesigning the site to make it more 
user-focused and task-focused in order to address these problems. 
Again, we talk to users, we take notes, we figure out how to improve 
things. Your feedback is good.

> As has also been
> brought up, a definite wall is up between developers and staff if you 
> try to
> go through "normal" channels for support.

Well, you can't really expect a few dozen developers to directly 
support a few hundred thousand CF programmers! :)

> As I've said on
> other lists, the wishlist is not an effective bug submission channel.

But it is the only *official* channel right now.

> I really love ColdFusion, I want to help fix things.

I think that, deep down, almost everyone here feels the same - no 
matter what the tone of the 'flames' here might suggest...

> I know people at Macromedia are
> listening because they are here on this (and other) lists, but are 
> they the
> right people?  Are they the people who can make real changes?

Er, yes, I think so. We're certainly trying to resolve the issues that 
are coming up so that the community's perception of Macromedia will 
improve.

> Vernon, Sean, Jesse, Mike - What else can we developers do to fix 
> things?

Vern will probably cringe but... Y'all could stop bashing MM and focus 
on helping us help you resolve problems. Let's stop the whole "CF sux! 
Macromedia sux! I'm going to .NET if you don't solve my problems 
*immediately*!" thing. I know it makes people feel better to vent a bit 
but... really... these recent threads are a bit much!

Yes, there are clearly issues that need attention and some of the ones 
we're hearing about through the forums (but not through the official 
channels, I would note!) are hard to track down, hard to reproduce and 
hard to debug.

People seem to have accepted as fact - and best practice - that you 
have to zealously lock all shared scope variable access in CF5 and 
earlier even though that was really to work around bugs in the server 
itself. Hopefully, people will find a similar acceptance for the new 
best practices we may all have to adopt for this new release of 
ColdFusion. And remember that best practices often change with each 
language / product version - try to think back to some of the earlier 
CF upgrades!

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Re: sql server connectivity error

2002-10-08 Thread Jeff Garza

Is this SQL Server?  If so, what authentication mode are you in Windows only
or Mixed (SQL and Windows).

Jeff

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Subject: sql server connectivity error


Connection verification failed for data source: punkhardcore
[]java.sql.SQLException: SQLException occurred in JDBCPool while attempting
to connect, please check your username, password, URL, and other
connectivity info.
The root cause was that: java.sql.SQLException: SQLException occurred in
JDBCPool while attempting to connect, please check your username, password,
URL, and other connectivity info.

I'm getting that error when verifying a connetion through the CFMX dsn
creator.  I also get it when I try to run any CFMX cfm pages that use that
dsn.

YET when I try connecting and verifying through Win2k's ODBC set up.. it
works FINE.  No problems... any idea what might cause that error?

I am logging in with the correct l/p..

Jacob.


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Re: convert first letter of words in a string to upper

2002-10-08 Thread charlie griefer

#ucase(left(myString, 1))##lcase(right(myString, len(myString)-1))# 

Chris Edwards writes: 

> I need a function to 
> convert first letter of words in a string to upper case. 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Chris Edwards
> Web Application Developer
> Outer Banks Internet, Inc.
> 252-441-6698
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.OuterBanksInternet.com 
> 
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POP3 Custom tags

2002-10-08 Thread Alex

We are currently using CFX_iiPOP3 custom tag. It works OK, but sometimes it
doesn't work correctly with French letters in subject line and always does
not understand French letters in sender's name. Native CFPOP is even worse.
So we plan to switch to advPOP3 (by ASPFusion) which doesn't have such
problems. Does anybody use it? Is it stable?  Maybe there is something else?
BTW I checked another custom tag (CFX_POP3) and found it doesn't work
properly with French letters in sender's name too 
Regards,
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Re: 2nd question - Run MX as nobody?

2002-10-08 Thread Sean A Corfield

On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 13:47 US/Pacific, Sean A Corfield wrote:
> As far as I know, our guys just followed the installation instructions
> but I'll ask them if there were any issues around the 'nobody' user.

I asked the engineers who did the installs: they just followed the 
instructions. They've all done multiple installations, following the 
instructions, with no issues at all due to CFMX running as nobody.

Sorry if that is unhelpful. Can you provide more details about the 
problems you are seeing and any variations from the instructions during 
install?


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Re: delete session vars

2002-10-08 Thread S . Isaac Dealey

You really don't want to use parameterexists(anything) -- parameterexists
was deprecated a while back. You want to use isdefined("session.var") or
possibly structkeyexists(session,"var") but to answer your question,  should remove the offending variable
from the session scope.

hth

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> I am new to session vars so this is probably an easy
> answer, How do I delete
> a session var from existence? I  want to be able to make
> paramterexstits(session.var) return a false after the
> possibility of it
> being set to something.

> thanks

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RE: convert first letter of words in a string to upper

2002-10-08 Thread Jared Clinton

Chris,

Have a look at www.cflib.org

It has heaps of cool things, and I'm quite sure also what you are looking for.

Jared Clinton.
NEC Australia.

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: convert first letter of words in a string to upper


I need a function to 
convert first letter of words in a string to upper case.


-- 
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Outer Banks Internet, Inc.
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Re: delete session vars

2002-10-08 Thread Scott Weikert



where 'key' is the session variable in question.

You can do this to clear out your session as a whole:


 
 
 
 
 


At 02:38 PM 10/8/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>I am new to session vars so this is probably an easy answer, How do I delete
>a session var from existence? I  want to be able to make
>paramterexstits(session.var) return a false after the possibility of it
>being set to something.

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Re: looping through a text string

2002-10-08 Thread Jeff Garza

I would use something like this...


mid(mystring, i, 1)


Jeff

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What would be the delimiter if you wanted to loop through a text string?


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Re: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Sean A Corfield

On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 13:43 US/Pacific, jon hall wrote:
> Isn't there a Flash Remoting Java server shipped with EJB's now?

There is a Flash Remoting for J2EE product, yes:

http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashremoting/

> Are there any code samples floating around that I could peek at to see
> if I want to try it out? For some reason, doing the remoting stuff in
> Java peaks my interest more than with CF.

See above. Also see:

http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash_remoting/tutorial_index.html

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Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Sean A Corfield

On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 11:03 US/Pacific, Mark A. Kruger - CFG 
wrote:
> Dev workstation with XP, IIS 5 (maybe 6?), connecting to an SQL 7 box 
> (SP
> )  - SQL server was remote from the CFMX server
> Production server with Win2k (sp2 and hotfixes) with IIS 5 connecting 
> to an
> SQL 7 box (sp 3) - SQL server remote from CFMX server
> Production server with Win2k (sp2 and hotfixes) with IIS 5 connecting 
> to an
> SQL 2000 box (sp 2) - SQL server was local to the CFMX server (on the 
> same
> LAN).

All with the Microsoft SQL Driver? Have you tried the ODBC Socket 
approach to see if that resolves the problem?

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Re: looping through a text string

2002-10-08 Thread S . Isaac Dealey

All of the list functions include the delimiter as the optional last
argument to the function and they default to a comma...

> What would be the delimiter if you wanted to loop through
> a text string?

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RE: Web services question from a beginner

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Corbridge

btw


ws = 
createObject("webservice","http://www.ejseinc.com/WeatherService/Service.asmx?WSDL";);
objWs = ws.getWeatherInfo(02466);
getLocation = objWs.getLocation();
getForecast = objWs.getForecast();
getTemprature =  objWs.getTemprature();
getFeelsLike =  objWs.getFeelsLike();
getVisibility = objWs.getVisibility();
getPressure = objWs.getPressure();
getDewPoint = objWs.getDewPoint();
getUVIndex = objWs.getUVIndex();
getHumidity = objWs.getHumidity();
getWind = objWs.getWind();
getReportedAt = objWs.getReportedAt();
getLastUpdated = objWs.getLastUpdated();


is about 10x faster

hth,

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Re: Return a Sub-Query as a Comma Delimited List

2002-10-08 Thread Dina Hess

Mike,

Although it's not possible to return a comma delimited list of
values from a subquery in the select statement, maybe the this
block of test code will help you produce the results you're
looking for:


 select u.username, t.taskname
 from users u inner join usertasks ut on (u.userid =
ut.userid)
inner join tasks t on (ut.taskid = t.taskid)
 order by t.taskname, u.username













 Task
  
 User



 
  
   #variables.userlist#
  
  #taskname# 
  
  
 
  
  
   #variables.userlist#
  
 

 
 










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Subject: Return a Sub-Query as a Comma Delimited List


> The subject line says it all... I am writing a query for MS SQL
Server and
> need to return a comma delimited list of values from a subquery
in the
> select statement. Anyone know a way to do this?
>
> For instance, I have a tasks table, a users table, and a
reference table
> linking multiple users to tasks. I want each row of the results
to display
> the task title along with a comma delimited list of the names
of users
> assigned to the task.
>
> Normally, this is something I would do in CF by grouping the
output, but in
> this instance it is important to return the results without
grouping them.
>
> Any help is appreciated, thanks,
>
> M
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Re: QUestion about Input File and CFFILE

2002-10-08 Thread S . Isaac Dealey

The file information from the client machine is stored in a series of
variables called cffile.clientfile[whatever] so cffile.clientfile will give
you the name of the file and cffile.clientfileext will give you the
extension of the file from the client machine... all of the same information
for the file which gets stored on the server ( the uploaded copy ) are
stored in a series of variables called cffile.serverfile[whever] ... All of
this is in the docs for CFFILE, though it can take some getting used to --
p.s. unfortunately the variables returned from cffile during an upload are
not in a structure in CF 5 and prior, they're all just individual variables
-- which stinks, but what can you do. :)

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> I am trying to upload a file using CFFILE.  I can get it
> to wrok just fine.  But
> what I can't do is get the name of the file BEFORE I use
> CFFILE.  When I try to
> output the name of the file input box, I get some weird
> name with an extension
> of .tmp.  Can anyone help me with what I need please?

> Thanks,

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Re: looping through a text string

2002-10-08 Thread Gyrus

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> What would be the delimiter if you wanted to loop through a text string?
---

I'm *sure* you've misphrased that question! ;-)

Only lists have delimiters... though lists are strings, just treated in a
certain way regarding specified delimiter... All CF list functions have an
optional delimiter parameter, default is comma...  to loop through lists... Is
this answer in here somewhere?

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Client Storage and MySQL

2002-10-08 Thread James Smith

I seem to remember a problem with CF4 flushing client variables from a MySQL
database. Does anyone know if this problem still exists with CF5 and CFMX
and if so, is there a workround?

--
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RE: LONG time CF Supporter - suggestion!!

2002-10-08 Thread Al Musella, DPM

   My experience...  I was having a nightmare of a time until the updater 
came out.. but since then, mx has been working great for me.  I haven't had 
to reboot since I installed the updater.
  I was in the beta program, and by the end of the beta program, all of 
my code was working fine on my test machine, even under load testing, but 
when it  went live on a high volume site - the nightmares started.. java 
database connector problems which stopped all web pages from displaying 
until a reboot - sometimes restarting services weren't enough...   I went 
back to cf 5 for my old sites, but had to keep MX for a site I developed 
using the advanced features.  Note - my test machine didn't have that 
problem, which means I couldn't even reproduce the problem using my own code.

My point:  no matter how hard we test in a beta program, until you go live 
in the real world, a lot of these problems don't pop up.  The best to hope 
for is to be able to have them fixed quickly when they are found.

Which brings me to my idea:

   Obviously, there are way too many messages in cf-talk for MM to respond 
to.  How about when a problem pops up like this one, Michael puts up a poll 
to see how many people are affected and how severe a problem it is for 
them.  Once it hits a certain level - say 100 people with a minor problem 
or 5 people with a major problem, a MM tech support agent is assigned to 
help fix it over this mailing list - so the people it affects can help 
supply the code and answers to help the tech support guy figure out what is 
going on and fix it? And we get feedback on how the fix is coming along.

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RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Lee Fuller

Uhm.. I've received this communication in error.


;)

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| Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
| 
| 
| Yes Emmet, that is correct and I am still on CF5 with this 
| issue.  I forgot to mention that earlier.
| 
| 
| Larry Juncker
| Senior Cold fusion Developer
| Heartland Communications Group, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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| 
| 
| That statement on security low was a little vague.  For 
| clarification its actually the application protection should 
| be set to Low(IIS Process).  Do this for each web site.  
| Properties/home directory - Application Protection in IIS.  
| This should solve your problem, and its actually a win2000 
| problem, although I'm sure there's a workaround macromedia 
| could have done.
| 
| Emmet
| 
| -Original Message-
| From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:42 PM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
| 
| Well, if that's the case, I'd be shocked.  IIS logs in on 
| it's own to the system, and should have full control over all 
| the files that it has to read and deliver.  It doesn't 
| require secondary permissions.  The thread that pulls the 
| page (initiated by the connection) does.  But that's 
| before-the-fact.  The fact that IIS would require a lowering 
| of security status is a bit disquieting.  And certainly so if 
| it's really just for CFMX.
| 
| That would be a security THREAT, not a solution.  (Or am I just being
| paranoid?)
| 
| Really.. The issue is most likely simple.  If someone from MM 
| simply watched, grabbed logs from, poked and prodded a dead 
| server (any of ours), they'd most likely find the issue 
| pretty quickly, I have no doubt.
| 
| And going back to CF5 is beginning to look like the solution 
| for now. Unfortunately that means people using it's more 
| powerful features (like James Johnson ) would now 
| have to go backwards.  But it may be our only hope at this point.
| 
| For the record.. The server in question has died (and 
| restarted itself) 11 times since this thread started at 6am 
| this morning.  Always running itself into oblivion, then 
| having to restart.
| 
| The logs look like a jumble of gobbledy-gook from one of my 
| old Fortran-printing days.  Most of which means nothing to 
| me.  Most of it is duplicated in several log files.
| 
| Anyway..
| 
| 
| 
| | -Original Message-
| | From: Larry Juncker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| | Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:12 AM
| | To: CF-Talk
| | Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
| |
| |
| | I have found on our servers, that when this happens,( the 
| 404 errors 
| | on pages that were working just fine) we have to go into 
| IIS and set 
| | the security permissions to low on the folder that the file 
| is in and 
| | then they work again...
| |
| | It seems to me that this problem is a security problem with Windows 
| | 200 server and not CF.
| |
| | Has anyone else found this to be true?
| |
| | Curious.
| |
| | Larry Juncker
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| | -Original Message-
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| |
| |
| | Well,

RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Ben Johnson

> I don't think it's fair to say he must publicly apologize 
> for his communication problems. That's absurd to even 
> contemplate that.

Tony,
I'm not looking for an essay or anything.  I have been on lists
in the past where I have made comments that I later regretted making
because I did not read all the information and jumped too soon and I
have apologized for that.  I have seen other people be overly hostile
and later realized they were wrong so they apologized.  There's no harm
in that.

There are a lot of apologies made even on CF-Talk.  Everything
from simple, "Oops -- I read that wrong," to a more formal, "I'm sorry,
I shouldn't have jumped down your throat."  It's really more of a
courtesy than anything.


Ben Johnson
Information Architect
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RE: Web services question from a beginner

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Corbridge

John,

We've all spent '8 hours' getting to square one, so don't get discouraged.

Here's some code that accomplishes what you are after:


ws = 
createObject("webservice","http://www.ejseinc.com/WeatherService/Service.asmx?WSDL";);
getLocation = ws.getWeatherInfo(98102).getLocation();
getForecast = ws.getWeatherInfo(98102).getForecast();
getTemprature =  ws.getWeatherInfo(98102).getTemprature();
getFeelsLike =  ws.getWeatherInfo(98102).getFeelsLike();
getVisibility = ws.getWeatherInfo(98102).getVisibility();
getPressure = ws.getWeatherInfo(98102).getPressure();
getDewPoint = ws.getWeatherInfo(98102).getDewPoint();
getUVIndex = ws.getWeatherInfo(98102).getUVIndex();
getHumidity = ws.getWeatherInfo(98102).getHumidity();
getWind = ws.getWeatherInfo(98102).getWind();
getReportedAt = ws.getWeatherInfo(98102).getReportedAt();
getLastUpdated = ws.getWeatherInfo(98102).getLastUpdated();



getLocation =#getLocation#
getForecast = #getForecast#
getTemprature = #getTemprature#
getFeelsLike = #getFeelsLike#
getVisibility = #getVisibility#
getPressure = #getPressure#
getDewPoint = #getDewPoint#
getUVIndex = #getUVIndex#
getHumidity = #getHumidity#
getWind = #getWind#
getReportedAt = #getReportedAt#
getLastUpdated = #getLastUpdated#


I am using cfscript because I feel that it is a more comfortable code to work with 
webservices.

A big hint: do a cfdump on 'ws.getWeatherInfo(98102)'

I hope this helps, and thanks for using webservices and CFMX!

michael d corbridge
macromedia
617.219.2307
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Web services question from a beginner

2002-10-08 Thread Robert Polickoski

John,

I used DreamWeaverMX's automatic configure capability to get the following code:

http://www.ejseinc.com/WeatherService/Service.asmx?WSDL";
 method="getDayForcastInfo"
 returnvariable="aDayForcastInfo">




http://www.ejseinc.com/WeatherService/Service.asmx?WSDL";
 method="getExtendedWeatherInfo"
 returnvariable="aExtendedWeatherInfo">



http://www.ejseinc.com/WeatherService/Service.asmx?WSDL";
 method="getWeatherInfo"
 returnvariable="aWeatherInfo">



The structs are as follows:


aDayForcastInfo.date
aDayForcastInfo.day
aDayForcastInfo.forecast
aDayForcastInfo.high
aDayForcastInfo.low
aDayForcastInfo.precipChance
aDayForcastInfo.typeDesc
aDayForcastInfo.iconIndex

aExtendedWeatherInfo.day1
aExtendedWeatherInfo.day2
aExtendedWeatherInfo.day3
aExtendedWeatherInfo.day4
aExtendedWeatherInfo.day5
aExtendedWeatherInfo.day6
aExtendedWeatherInfo.day7
aExtendedWeatherInfo.day8
aExtendedWeatherInfo.day9
aExtendedWeatherInfo.typeDesc
aExtendedWeatherInfo.info

aWeatherInfo.UVIndex
aWeatherInfo.dewPoint
aWeatherInfo.feelsLike
aWeatherInfo.forecast
aWeatherInfo.humidity
aWeatherInfo.lastUpdated
aWeatherInfo.location
aWeatherInfo.pressure
aWeatherInfo.reportedAt
aWeatherInfo.temprature
aWeatherInfo.visibility
aWeatherInfo.wind
aWeatherInfo.typeDesc
aWeatherInfo.iconIndex


I hope this helps.

Take care,
Robert
-- Original Message --
From: "John Munyan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:18:40 -0700

>Let me start by saying that I am a beginner with programming in general.
>
> 
>
>I am trying to configure consume a weather web service but am unsure
>what is going wrong.  I have spent about 8 hours trying to get figure
>this out and have thus far failed.  The problem I believe is that the
>webservice has struct's and I am not dealing with them appropriately.  I
>have reviewed what information there is (I believe) on consuming complex
>web services and not found an example complete enough that I can
>understand how different methods of consumption might apply to my
>situation.
>
> 
>
>The web service I am attempting to use is:
>
> 
>
>http://www.xmethods.net/ve2/ViewListing.po;jsessionid=6kLVZKkGRqLBTCjYjr
>Mspppz(QhxieSRM)?serviceid=147576
>
> 
>
>The WSDL is:
>
> 
>
>http://www.ejseinc.com/WeatherService/Service.asmx?WSDL
>
> 
>
>The code I am using is:
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>Untitled Document
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> webservice="http://www.ejseinc.com/WeatherService/Service.asmx?WSDL";
>
> method="getWeatherInfo"
>
> returnvariable="aWeatherInfo">
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>The page itself can be viewed at.  It takes a couple seconds to load.  
>
> 
>
>http://www.attrition.ws/win1.cfm
>
> 
>
>I would appreciate any pointers about how to make this work, either
>conceptual or practical.  Like I said I am new to Coldfusion and
>programming in general and specifically am unsure what the implication
>of consuming a web service  providing a (stuct (I think)is).  I am by no
>means averse to reading information about how to get this working so if
>you have the time to point me to any resources which might assist me
>directly or indirectly I would value that very much.
>
> 
>
>Sincerely,
>
> 
>
>John 
>
> 
>
>
>
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Re: looping through a text string

2002-10-08 Thread James Smith

" " (a space)

Jay

- Original Message -
From: "Brian Thornton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:21 PM
Subject: looping through a text string


> What would be the delimiter if you wanted to loop through a text string?
>
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Re: CFMAIL with relaying off

2002-10-08 Thread James Smith

Does the mail server support "POP3 before SMTP" relaying?

If so create a dummy pop box on the server and get CF to create a CFPOP
connection to the server first.

--
Jay

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Subject: CFMAIL with relaying off


> Has anyone successfully used CFMAIL with an Exc 2000 SMTP server, when
SMTP
> relaying is prohibited? Adding the IP of the web server to the exception
> list in the SMTP service doesn't seem to work, as I still get relaying
> errors on external mail. And CFMAIL doesn't have username/pwd
parameters...
>
> Gene Kraybill
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Re: JDBC socket reset (was CF supporter something or other....)

2002-10-08 Thread Jochem van Dieten

Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote:
> Dave,
> 
> Yes - that's the fix we are using. But all the hype over Type 4 drivers
> makes us want to use them instead of JDBC.

Some people doing i18n will not call the MS SQL Server Type 4 JDBC 
drivers a hype.

BTW, is there *anyone* that has JDBC problems where it is not with MS 
SQL Server? I sure get the impression that the problems are created by 
MS instead of MM.

Jochem

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Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Jochem van Dieten

Ben Johnson wrote:
>>Macromedia has a communication problem.
> 
> 
> Matt,
>   By all means I don't mean to start a war with this e-mail but I
> have been several lists with you and I have seen many people get
> frustrated with posts you have sent.

I get frustrated with his posts too. Whenever he sends something I 
expect some deeper insight and it is really frustrating when it is just 
about something as down to earth as Beta access :)

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Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Jochem van Dieten

Thane Sherrington wrote:
> 
> I'm all for 
> free support (and I think MM should offer at least one free support call 
> for each purchased copy when rolling out a new product like this)

Amen. Wasn't it $75 to open an incident? Up the price by $75 and give 
everybody one free incident. Same "real bug, no pay" rules apply.

Jochem

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How wonderful! (Was: RE: Get SQL Info)

2002-10-08 Thread Lee Fuller

See.. It's stuff like this that makes this list so great!

Just thought I'd chime in.. :)



| -Original Message-
| From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
| Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:29 PM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: RE: Get SQL Info
| 
| 
|  in 5+
| 
| -Original Message-
| From: Ben Densmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:57 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: Get SQL Info
| 
| 
| Is there a way to get SQL Info similar to what is displayed 
| in debugging output? Like something similar to being able to 
| grab all session variables or form variables. Such as:
| 
|  
| #sql[i]# 
| 
| Only whatever the value would be. I can't seem to get this one.
| 
| Any help would be appreciated.
| 
| Thanks,
| Ben
| 
| Ben Densmore
| Web Developer
| eSupport.com,Inc.
| 1538 Turnpike St.
| North Andover, MA 01845
| 
| Phone: (978) 686-6468 x333
| Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 
| 
| 
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Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Sean A Corfield

On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 09:04 US/Pacific, Lee Fuller wrote:
> You see, (and this is a bit of a walk down memory lane, and maybe even
> borders on a fantasy dream world) when Allaire started, we had open,
> clear and useful discussions about what was happening with the product.

I think pretty much everyone agrees that when Allaire was a small 
company and you could just email Jer or Ben directly and get a 
response, life was grand!

> But, unfortunately, MM has fallen into the same-ol' trap as
> M$, and others and has grown apart (to a great extent) from the core
> community.  Hence this list.

Well, Allaire actually grew to almost the same size at one point that 
Macromedia is today so the "David & Goliath" comparison doesn't hold 
water and, more to the point, the community was complaining about this 
exact, same problem with Allaire once it grew 'big'. It's not a 
Macromedia problem per se, it's a big-company problem: in order to 
fairly support a large community of users, you need to put in place 
procedures and layers so that engineering doesn't get swamped with end 
user emails and calls. Besides, several people have commented that 
Macromedia's involvement today is greater than Allaire's was before the 
merger.

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RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Matt Liotta

I don't have a hard slant against MM or CF. I just point out the
problems I see with both.

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901

> -Original Message-
> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:00 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
> 
> Wow.
> 
> Is someone just a little bit bitter?
> 
> I thought I had detected a hard slant against MM and CF, but you are
> making it _way_ too easy.
> 
> And since all we see are complaints...
> 
> Cold Fusion working perfectly here. Windows based. Version 5. Nice
little
> cluster. Love it.
> 
> FWIW
> Jerry Johnson
> 
> 
> 
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/08/02 01:02PM >>>
> I have pointed out things to whoever will listen at Macromedia and I
all
> I have to show for it is removal of my beta access to a JRun service
> pack. Thanks!
> 
> Matt Liotta
> President & CEO
> Montara Software, Inc.
> http://www.montarasoftware.com/
> 888-408-0900 x901
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:00 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
> >
> > And have you pointed this out to your Sales Rep? A tech support
> person?
> > Vernon? Have you pointed this out anywhere other than a 3rd party
> mailing
> > list?
> >
> > Jesse Noller
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Macromedia Server Development
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:40 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
> > >
> > > Jessie, I don't think you are getting it. We all understand what
> > > Macromedia's policy on this issue is. We just disagree with it and
> chose
> > > not to follow it. For some (like Lee) that may mean that CF is no
> longer
> > > an option. For me, it was a company directive to remove all CF
> > > dependencies from our product suite. We'll still OEM CFMX for
> customers
> > > that want CF, but we are no longer betting the farm on it.
> > >
> > > Matt Liotta
> > > President & CEO
> > > Montara Software, Inc.
> > > http://www.montarasoftware.com/
> > > 888-408-0900 x901
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:27 AM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > > I'll BE the guinea pig.. No problem!  But I need the total
> > > > > responsiveness from MM to make it work.  And I'm completely
> willing
> > > to
> > > > > share my experiences and solutions with the CF community, so
> that
> > > they
> > > > > can benefit from it.
> > > > >
> > > > > But..  (And there's ALWAYS a BIG BUT(T) somewhere! )
> Don't
> > > ask me
> > > > > for a credit card to do this.
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > If we cannot reproduce this in house, we cannot fix it.
If it
> is
> > > not
> > > > escalated through support, the likelihood of the problem getting
> > > addressed
> > > > is negligible.
> > > >
> > > > We can do comparisons all day long, however what it
boils down
> > > to is
> > > > this:
> > > >
> > > > You and anyone else seeing this problem, need to contact
> > > technical
> > > > support. You need to allow them to get the information they need
> to
> > > point
> > > > you to a solution. Yes, other people may have seen this problem,
> but
> > > so
> > > > far, as far as I can tell, the problem seems like "CF Dies under
> > > load".
> > > >
> > > > Well, we ran CFMX under load, for *weeks* before we
shipped
> it.
> > > I
> > > > know; I had to help out with it.
> > > >
> > > > We have supplied a clearly defined avenue to getting
your
> issues
> > > > heard. The avenue is supported and maintained by Macromedia (ie:
> not a
> > > 3rd
> > > > party mailing list, or a website) and this is the most efficient
> > > method of
> > > > issue resolution we have at the moment.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is it perfect or foolproof? Is it final? No. Are we
examining
> it
> > > and
> > > > looking for ways of improving it? Yes.
> > > >
> > > > Right now however, that is the *best* method of getting
an
> issue
> > > > resolved.
> > > >
> > > > -Jesse
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > | -Original Message-
> > > > > | From: Scott Brader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > | Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 7:28 AM
> > > > > | To: CF-Talk
> > > > > | Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump
CF!
> > > > > |
> > > > > |
> > > > > | Before anyone else comments, yes, this probably should be a
> > > > > | cf-community topic now.
> > > > > |
> > > > > | Jesse,
> > > > > | I certainly see your point, however, as a developer and
small
> > > > > | business owner, there are financial c

RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Tilbrook, Peter

>Yes this is good advice and I personally took the launch of the Updater as
>an equivalent to a service pack. Hence my starting eval of CFMX at this
>stage.
>
>Dave

Yeah but the "updater" totally screwed up my install (the ColdFusion MX ODBC
Server).


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Re: QUestion about Input File and CFFILE

2002-10-08 Thread Robert Polickoski

Brian,

Here is the code I  am using:

 
function parseFileName(theFile)
{
   var start = -1;
   while (theFile.value.indexOf("\\", start + 1) != -1)
   {
  start = theFile.value.indexOf("\\", start + 1);
   }
   FileUpload.action = FileUpload.action + theFile.value.substring(start+1, 
theFile.value.length);
}

 




   
  Select your file
   
   
   
   
  Upload
   



Then in fileupload.cfm I have:

 
 

It is working for me.  I hope this helps.

Take care,
Robert

-- Original Message --
From: "Yager, Brian T Contractor/Sverdrup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:11:09 -0500 

>I am trying to upload a file using CFFILE.  I can get it to wrok just fine.  But
>what I can't do is get the name of the file BEFORE I use CFFILE.  When I try to
>output the name of the file input box, I get some weird name with an extension
>of .tmp.  Can anyone help me with what I need please?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Brian Yager
>President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group
>http://www.nacfug.com
>Sr. Systems Analyst
>Sverdrup/CIC
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(256) 842-8342
>
>
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RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Matt Liotta

>   No, however it questions the validity of the statement.  Also,
> if you do in fact agree that you have communication problems, I
haven't
> seen you publicly apologize for any poor communication you've had with
> anybody on any list.  You seem to expect Macromedia to change its ways
> but you still maintain your same ways.  Is that fair?
> 
I didn't agree; I simply chose to ignore.

-Matt

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RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Matt Liotta

> You've had a response to that - you just didn't like what you heard!
> 
Come on now, that isn't true and you know it. Don't make me come after
you with my IM logs.

> The response is "Flash Remoting as supplied with CFMX Enterprise is
> designed to enable Flash / ColdFusion communication". It is not
> intended to enable Flash / Java communication.
> 
And as I responded in IM, that isn't answer. Why?

Because...
1. If that was true I could buy Flash Remoting for J2EE and use it with
CFMX
2. If that was true then it would work with CFMX for J2EE sitting on top
of JRun 4
3. If that was true then the license and the documentation would
explicitly say it

> Now, you may not like that answer and you may not agree with the
> rationale behind it, but *did* get a response to that question!
> 
It wasn't a response; it was a copout since you don't even know the
rational behind it yourself.

-Matt

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Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!

2002-10-08 Thread Sean A Corfield

On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 08:32 US/Pacific, Mark A. Kruger - CFG 
wrote:
> Pardon me for asking but... how does MM handle a situation where 
> something
> worked correctly on CF 5, but now is failing on CFMX?  Is that CFMX?  
> Or do

It could be user code, configuration or CFMX.

There have definitely been examples of code that worked-by-accident on 
CF5 that doesn't work on CFMX - is that a bug? Not really... if the old 
code was never supposed to work, that was a bug in *CF5* and perhaps 
the rewrite fixed it. Now, if you built your application on that bug, 
thinking it was 'valid', then you'll be hurting with CFMX.

Examples of configuration (to some degree):
- The multiple SQL statements issue is a data source setup issue (use 
ODBC Socket instead of Microsoft SQL Driver or whatever it's called). 
It just happened to work with a particular CF5 driver but it wasn't 
intentional (despite Ben's 'hints & tips'). Change configuration and it 
solves the problem. Bear in mind also that the JDBC drivers are 
*third-party*, not Macromedia-developed.
- Virtual site setup on IIS. It doesn't work out of the box, you need 
to run specific configuration to make it work. When you run the 
Updater, this also seems to be not covered by the standard install and 
you have to do additional stuff. Is this a bug? I'd say no but some 
folks will disagree.

Are there real CFMX bugs? Of course. Were there real CF5 bugs? Yes. And 
4.52 bugs and 4.01 bugs and so on and so on.

This is why it's so critical to isolate a repeatable test that exhibits 
the questionable behavior. I know that's not always easy but it's a 
fact of life. As Jesse says, if we can't reproduce it, we can't debug 
it and if we can't debug it, we can't fix it!

Case in point: my team has hit the Apache 1.3.26 process death problem. 
We couldn't reproduce it reliably, even tho' it happened regularly. We 
spent a lot of time trying to nail it down. No joy. Apache 2.0.39 does 
not suffer from this problem. Our solution: upgrade to Apache 2.0.39 
and implement the two-tier Apache system (documented in my blog).

Another case in point: my team hit a CLOB-related problem with the 
standard CFMX Oracle driver. Again, no reproducible test case. We moved 
to the 9i Thin Client and hit a different problem. We tried the 9i OCI 
driver and the problem went away. Now we have to finish rewriting the 
piece of code that actually relies on the base driver (it's Java, 
ironically).

> I pay to have MM tell me I need to re-write code?

See above. If we documented the change and you call it as a bug then, 
yes, sure you'll get charged (think of it as an "RTFM Tax") but if we 
didn't document it and you call it as a bug, it's free per Debbie's 
email.

> This "connection reset
> by peer" JDBC socket error that's been troubling us (notice I did not 
> say
> "bugging" :) could well be the result of some server setting or SQL 
> config
> option we have overlooked that  ODBC/CF 5 ignores, but JDBC looks for. 
>  If
> that turns out to be the case, would MM charge for that?

I'm with Vern on this - my feeling is that if you have to use one 
driver over another in order to solve this and WE DIDN'T DOCUMENT THAT, 
then it's a 'bug' of sorts and it should be free.

"I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my 
telephone.
  My wish has come true - I no longer know how to use my telephone."
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