Re: [OT, Python Quote] Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)

2005-02-18 Thread Scott Barnes
To be blunt and i've been on Plum since i think adam invited me ages
past, I really dig the concept and cannot fault it for what its
achieved.

I do however hold back in reservation as simply put: I don't have the
time or energy to inherit something ontop of a language that  has its
own set of problems and issues. I've been thinking a lot as of late on
what i expect out of a framework or extension if you will via the
WEB/COLDFUSION and in the end I just want something light thats agile
enough for me to bolt on anything when it comes to the innerds.

Mach-II is much much more agile then plum in regards to ease of use
and comparing the two is like apples and plums (hehe couldn't resist).

PLUM in many ways is like a Developers CMS / IDE for automated mundane
tasks that we do day in day out and lets face it, get sick of rolling.
When given a project i tend to want to get straight into the hard
part, but like my Guidance Counselor in high school once said do the
easy tasks first, then come back and do the hard ones last as if you
run out of time, you have gotten more work done in the end didn't
understand at the time but daily in CFMX i find myself having to put
in stupid time to get to the point of writing the hard stuff and by
this time (I'm sure others would agree) you're basically over the
concept.

PLUM by appearances (i'm only 1 project in so i reserve the right to
change my un-informed opinion) seems to fast track you through the
crappy tasks and focus on the guts of it all.

I am still hanging out for the day when i can put together an XML
based concept that automates my view/presenter/partial model allowing
me time and energy to focus on the integration part(s) server-side. As
thats where the money is needed the most.

FLEX offers that in some way, and PLUM seems to hint and being in many
ways a similiar alternative (sure technologies are different).

So yeah Mach-II is different in so many ways and i wouldn't bother
trying to compare the two.

(PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS AN IGNORANT OPINION, I'VE USED IT ON AND OFF BUT
I CAN HONESTLY SAY, I HAVE MORE WORK AHEAD OF ME IN ITS USE hehehe).
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Re: SQL Select statment query - kindly help

2005-02-18 Thread cf coder
so you're saying give me any job where eventCode is 100 and jobID is N, 
but where the same job doesn't have an eventCode of 150 somewhere else

That was exactly what I was trying to acheive. You sql worked straight away. 
Thank you again for your reply.
Best regards
coder

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Re: FB4 book? (was RE: Discovering FB4.1 book comparison to FB4.0 edition?)

2005-02-18 Thread Andy Jarrett
I just wanna second getting Fusebox 4 and FLiP by jeff peters.
Online material for FB4 is slim - unless you want to scrounge through
mailing lists, forums and hack through a couple of demo apps.

Andy J
www.andyjarrett.co.uk






On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 00:59:36 -0500, Brian Kotek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, Jeff's books are available at http://www.cafepress.com/protonarts/250818
 
 On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:51:55 -0500, Michael T. Tangorre
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   If the FB4.1 book hasn't shipped yet, what would be the recommended
   choice for an FB4 book if I wanted something to read for the weekend?
 
  I would grab Jeff Peter's Fusebox 4 and FLiP along with the What's New in
  Fusebox 4.1... although you have to order them both from proton arts.. I
  think.
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: FB4 book? (was RE: Discovering FB4.1 book comparison to FB4.0 edition?)

2005-02-18 Thread Andy Jarrett
Just to add that i've just purchased What's New in Fusebox 4.1 and
have got 2/3 coupons for $5 off a purchase of $20 or more, courtesy
of CafePress.com

So if anyone is thinking of doing a purchase let me know!

Andy J
www.andyjarrett.co.uk

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:25:16 +, Andy Jarrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just wanna second getting Fusebox 4 and FLiP by jeff peters.
 Online material for FB4 is slim - unless you want to scrounge through
 mailing lists, forums and hack through a couple of demo apps.
 
 Andy J
 www.andyjarrett.co.uk
 
 
 On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 00:59:36 -0500, Brian Kotek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Yes, Jeff's books are available at 
  http://www.cafepress.com/protonarts/250818
 
  On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:51:55 -0500, Michael T. Tangorre
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If the FB4.1 book hasn't shipped yet, what would be the recommended
choice for an FB4 book if I wanted something to read for the weekend?
  
   I would grab Jeff Peter's Fusebox 4 and FLiP along with the What's New 
   in
   Fusebox 4.1... although you have to order them both from proton arts.. I
   think.
  
  
  
 
  

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Re: Outlook and Coldfusion

2005-02-18 Thread James Holmes
I'll now revise my answer to this.

iCalendar (which is essentially vCal v2.0) is able to cope with all the
complexities of scheduling and all the other Outlook goodies. I just wrote a
few methods to deal with it. Export an Outlook appointment by forwarding it
as iCalendar (from the ations menu of the open appointment) to see the
format.

Since I can hear Jochem saying (in Dutch, no doubt), Read the goddam RFC,
here it is:

http://www.imc.org/rfc2445 http://www.imc.org/rfc2445 

and more info here:

http://www.imc.org/pdi/ http://www.imc.org/pdi/ 


vCal is the standard format and cflib.org has a function for dealing with 
it, but in Outlook all the appointment stuff will be obscured inside MS' 
proprietary TNEF standard - I'd be surprised if this were easily 
reproducible. 

Check out the vCal standard.  Also, if you create a meeting request in 
Outlook and send it to a non-Microsoft mail client, you might be able to 
view the headers and find the information that requests accepts/declines, 
etc. 


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Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread Mike Kear
I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting.  I have done
a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it,
but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any
resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to
work.

For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash
Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever
effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when
the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry.  From
the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web  it says.
  Nope.  Not on my FlashMX2004Professional.  No such menu item.

I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another
version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would
correlate with the tutorial.

And so it went on - The first thing we do is include the necessary
links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting.  
but no clue given about including .. WHERE?

This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in
the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the
version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional.

Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of
flash?  There are so many differences between one version and another
- nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look.   I've
learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless
you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer within
the frame, nothing works.   So for a tutorial to be any use to
beginners, it has to give that information too.  Simply saying
include the necessary links is quite useless to a beginner (well
this beginner anyway).

I once tried to get help through the flash lists, but they did the
same thing.  They tried their hardest to be helpful, but because they
all know what to do, they forget to include the most basic information
that isnt obvious to people like me who havent even got the simplest
most elementary flash things to work.

Is it a vain hope that there is a really basic beginners tutorial for
flashMX2004Professional 7.2?

Is it too much to ask that tutorial writers and book authors state
what versions of things they're writing with?

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RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread Adrian Lynch
I don't blame you for feeling the way you do about Flash Remoting. I learnt
it in Flash MX and have done it in 2004 Pro but it's not one of the most
intuitive things I've ever done.

What Flash IDE are you using?

-Original Message-
From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 February 2005 12:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever


I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting.  I have done
a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it,
but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any
resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to
work.

For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash
Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever
effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when
the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry.  From
the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web  it says.
  Nope.  Not on my FlashMX2004Professional.  No such menu item.

I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another
version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would
correlate with the tutorial.

And so it went on - The first thing we do is include the necessary
links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting.
but no clue given about including .. WHERE?

This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in
the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the
version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional.

Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of
flash?  There are so many differences between one version and another
- nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look.   I've
learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless
you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer within
the frame, nothing works.   So for a tutorial to be any use to
beginners, it has to give that information too.  Simply saying
include the necessary links is quite useless to a beginner (well
this beginner anyway).

I once tried to get help through the flash lists, but they did the
same thing.  They tried their hardest to be helpful, but because they
all know what to do, they forget to include the most basic information
that isnt obvious to people like me who havent even got the simplest
most elementary flash things to work.

Is it a vain hope that there is a really basic beginners tutorial for
flashMX2004Professional 7.2?

Is it too much to ask that tutorial writers and book authors state
what versions of things they're writing with?

--
Cheers
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Windsor, NSW, Australia
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
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Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread Mike Kear
I'm using the one that comes from Macromedia.  Is there another?

The about flash says it's FlashMXProfessional 2004 v 7.2


Cheers
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Windsor, NSW, Australia
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:42:44 -, Adrian Lynch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't blame you for feeling the way you do about Flash Remoting. I learnt
 it in Flash MX and have done it in 2004 Pro but it's not one of the most
 intuitive things I've ever done.
 
 What Flash IDE are you using?
 


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CF7: cfgrid - flash

2005-02-18 Thread Doug Kronenberger
I can't figure out how to get the flash grid to operate in a similar manner as 
the applet does. How do I access and pass the selected projID in the url. I'm 
try'n to use the the actionscript getURL(), but how do I access the id I want?

cfform name=frmtest
   cfgrid name=gridtest
 query=getProjList
 selectMode=row 
 format=flash
 rowHeaders=no
 onChange = getURL('/retrace/editProjectForm.cfm?cfgridkey=')
   cfgridcolumn name=projID display=no
   cfgridcolumn name=projCode header=Proj. Code
   cfgridcolumn name=projTitle header=Title
   cfgridcolumn name=projStartDate header=Start Date
/cfgrid
/cfform

Any help would be great

Thanks in advance

Doug Kronenberger

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Re: Looking for a good web based html editor

2005-02-18 Thread Scott Stroz
I use FCKEditor http://www.fckeditor.net/ and I am very pleased.


On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:09:56 -0500, Matthew Friedman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am in need of a good browser base WYSIWYG editor that I can place in a
 form.
 
 I have used the ektron product but I need a version that is not an activeX,
 cross platform and requires no install.
 
 I know they have a flash version but I am not sure you can customize it.
 
 I also want to limit the function to very basic HTML (i.e. br p u i
 p li ul ...etc.)
 
 I need to be able to remove any of the span font div and or other tags
 since this is for a middleware project.
 
 I would also need to strip out the bad content that is added to the
 content when you copy and paste if from MS Word.
 
 Any suggestions would be great.
 
 Thanks.
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Re: MySQL charging hard?

2005-02-18 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Michael T. Tangorre wrote:
 
 I used to be a die hard SQL Server fan forever and ever always avoiding
 MySQL and Oracle until I needed to buy hosting myself and was a little weary
 of paying for SQL  Server for a blog! So I took the plunge and went with
 MySQL. To be honest, I love it. I think as more features come out (hopefully
 at a quicker pace) the more MySQL will catch on. It already has a huge
 following, I was just so stuck on MS SQL Server that I didn't see it.
 Anyway, it will be interesting to see what format/syntax the stored
 procedures will take on as well as the triggers (Jochem, any insight??).

Their stored procedure language is basically the same as DB2 
(although of course advanced features such as recursive queries 
are not available). I have not seen working trigger support yet 
and not all datatypes will offer all features.

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Re: MySQL charging hard?

2005-02-18 Thread Rick Root
Will Tomlinson wrote:
 
 I like my GUI's! Is that such a bad thing? 

There are plenty of gui interfaces available for MySQL =)

Although I have to admit, I like QueryAnalyzer a LOT more than any of 
the mysql gui tools I've tried.

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Re: Looking for a good web based html editor

2005-02-18 Thread Rick Root
Scott Stroz wrote:
 I use FCKEditor http://www.fckeditor.net/ and I am very pleased.

Second.

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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

2005-02-18 Thread Claude Schneegans
 Went back to my simple, basic architecture and felt much better.

Don't you feel like an QUOTE ass /QUOTE? ;-)

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RE: MySQL charging hard?

2005-02-18 Thread Adkins, Randy
I am more in favor of NaviCat personally. I tried MySQLFront
But did not care for it much.



-Original Message-
From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:40 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: MySQL charging hard?

Will Tomlinson wrote:
 
 I like my GUI's! Is that such a bad thing? 

There are plenty of gui interfaces available for MySQL =)

Although I have to admit, I like QueryAnalyzer a LOT more than any of
the mysql gui tools I've tried.

  - Rick



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RE: Plum vs Adalon?

2005-02-18 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
 From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Don't you feel like an QUOTE ass /QUOTE? ;-)

It is better to keep quiet and be considered a fool than to speak out and
prove that.





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OT: Apple releases security audit tools for OS X.

2005-02-18 Thread Kevin Graeme
I apologize for the off-topic post, but I know several people here are using
OS X for their development. I got this from another list:

 

Apple has released Common Criteria Tools for Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server.
Essentially, this is a set of standardized auditing tools that can be used
to test and configure a system such that it conforms to an internationally
recognized set of security standards and criteria. One major thing these
tools bring to Mac OS X is a real auditing system, similar to that available
on Solaris and other OSes, which could be of great interest to system
administrators dealing with Mac OS X-based servers. Apple has also published
a guide detailing how to use the tools, and how to set up a system to
conform to Common Criteria specifications.

 

http://www.apple.com/support/security/commoncriteria/

 

For more information on Common Criteria, see:

http://niap.nist.gov/cc-scheme/

 

Another useful, comprehensive Mac OS X security document is the NSA guide to
securing Mac OS X:

http://www.nsa.gov/snac/os/applemac/osx_client_final_v_1_1.pdf

 

For other NSA guides, see:

http://www.nsa.gov/snac/

 

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RE: MySQL charging hard?

2005-02-18 Thread kola.oyedeji
Rick

That's an interesting post, in particular the fact that despite Oracle and
MySQL being free (for your organization), you are  moving to SQL server
*because its easier to maintain*. 

Kola



 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 18 February 2005 03:18
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: MySQL charging hard?
 
 Will Tomlinson wrote:
 
  What does everyone think about this? I used MySQL until I started using
 SP's. Then I HAD to go with SQL Server for my needs. What will this mean
 for the db market?
 
 In my department at Duke, we have databases in MySQL 4.1 and Oracle 9.
 I've found Oracle to be exceptionally difficult to maintain, since I'm
 not a DBA.  MySQL is much easier.
 
 However, we've done some performance testing, pitting Oracle against
 MySQL and SQL Server... and we found that SQL Server - on a smaller
 machine - actually performed faster than both MySQL and Oracle.  MySQL
 was good when small amounts of data were returned versus Oracle, but SQL
 Server was faster pretty much across the board.
 
 SQL Server is also easier to maintain.
 
 I like MySQL, and I will continue to use it for pretty much all of my
 freelance web development, unless my clients desire otherwise.  But in
 our department at Duke, where we're dealing with very large datasets
 (millions of rows in several tables), we're going with SQL Server (ie,
 we're going to phase out Oracle *AND MySQL and switch to SQL Server,
 even though Oracle is free for us, and SQL Server is not.)
 
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parsing control characters

2005-02-18 Thread Dan O'Keefe
I have a need to take a scrape of a web page, parse it, and regenerate
it at a later time. I have run into an issue where control characters
such as a right single quote mark #146, since it is already parsed by
the browser for display, when you do view source and save it to a
file, the location where the control character is shows some garbage
in IE, and display the actual character that would be in the browser
in Firefox.

Anybody know a way to ahndle this?

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RE: MySQL charging hard?

2005-02-18 Thread Damien McKenna
 -Original Message-
 From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 What does everyone think about this? I used MySQL until I 
 started using SP's. Then I HAD to go with SQL Server for my 
 needs. What will this mean for the db market? 

What about PostgreSQL?

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RE: Outlook and Coldfusion

2005-02-18 Thread Kevin Graeme
Thanks. Redoing our calendars is a project that will probably come up in the
next year and this could be helpful.

-Kevin

-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Outlook and Coldfusion

I'll now revise my answer to this.

iCalendar (which is essentially vCal v2.0) is able to cope with all the
complexities of scheduling and all the other Outlook goodies. I just wrote a
few methods to deal with it. Export an Outlook appointment by forwarding it
as iCalendar (from the ations menu of the open appointment) to see the
format.

Since I can hear Jochem saying (in Dutch, no doubt), Read the goddam RFC,
here it is:

http://www.imc.org/rfc2445 http://www.imc.org/rfc2445 

and more info here:

http://www.imc.org/pdi/ http://www.imc.org/pdi/ 


vCal is the standard format and cflib.org has a function for dealing with 
it, but in Outlook all the appointment stuff will be obscured inside MS' 
proprietary TNEF standard - I'd be surprised if this were easily 
reproducible. 

Check out the vCal standard.  Also, if you create a meeting request in 
Outlook and send it to a non-Microsoft mail client, you might be able to 
view the headers and find the information that requests accepts/declines, 
etc. 


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RE: MySQL charging hard?

2005-02-18 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
 From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 What about PostgreSQL?

Interesting you mention that. I was just about to ask the list about it...
who is using it... their impressions. I just downloaded it after reading
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RE: MySQL charging hard?

2005-02-18 Thread Eric Creese
Does not sound as if you Oracle tunned properly and being that you do not have 
DBA on staff that can make it challenging. With it tunned properly it runs 
great in my oppinion. Plus your applications may not be tunned properly either. 
I also Run SQL2K and it has its benefits as well. Dabbled little with MySql. 
Basically it comes down to what is best or the job and what it is you are 
willing to support

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Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:06 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MySQL charging hard?


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 From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 What does everyone think about this? I used MySQL until I 
 started using SP's. Then I HAD to go with SQL Server for my 
 needs. What will this mean for the db market? 

What about PostgreSQL?

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RE: Outlook and Coldfusion

2005-02-18 Thread Damien McKenna
One of the biggest problem with Outlook is that it can't subscribe to an
internet-based calendar or import an icalendar file that contains more
than one event.  In comparison, Apple's iCal lets you subscribe to
published calendar files, publish your own and supports a limitless
number of events per file.  I was planning a huge calendar system for
work that would have Outlook integration via icalendar and was terribly
disappointed to find out how bad Outlook was with calendaring.

So watch out, Outlook sucks for calendar support.

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RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread Eric Hoffman
Amen.



From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 2/18/2005 6:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever



I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting.  I have done
a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it,
but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any
resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to
work.

For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash
Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever
effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when
the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry.  From
the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web  it says.
  Nope.  Not on my FlashMX2004Professional.  No such menu item.

I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another
version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would
correlate with the tutorial.

And so it went on - The first thing we do is include the necessary
links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting. 
but no clue given about including .. WHERE?

This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in
the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the
version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional.

Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of
flash?  There are so many differences between one version and another
- nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look.   I've
learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless
you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer within
the frame, nothing works.   So for a tutorial to be any use to
beginners, it has to give that information too.  Simply saying
include the necessary links is quite useless to a beginner (well
this beginner anyway).

I once tried to get help through the flash lists, but they did the
same thing.  They tried their hardest to be helpful, but because they
all know what to do, they forget to include the most basic information
that isnt obvious to people like me who havent even got the simplest
most elementary flash things to work.

Is it a vain hope that there is a really basic beginners tutorial for
flashMX2004Professional 7.2?

Is it too much to ask that tutorial writers and book authors state
what versions of things they're writing with?

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Re: MySQL charging hard?

2005-02-18 Thread Rick Root
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 Rick
 
 That's an interesting post, in particular the fact that despite Oracle and
 MySQL being free (for your organization), you are  moving to SQL server
 *because its easier to maintain*. 

That's a lot of it, but it's also been faster in almost all of our 
tests, and it's easier to back up and restore (keeping in mind that none 
of us are DBAs nor do any of us want to be DBAs).

Doing security updates in Oracle is a pain.  Doing backups and restores 
in Oracle is a pain.  The learning curve on Oracle is just way too high 
- I'd rather be coding.

MySQL backups are pretty easy, as are MySQL restores.  Security updates 
are also pretty easy.   At least for me, because I'm kind of a command 
line guy anyway.  But for the others in my department, it probably 
wouldn't be.  My boss always says What if you get hit by a bus.

And MySQL simply didn't perform as well as SQL Server or Oracle.

  - Rick

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Re: MySQL charging hard?

2005-02-18 Thread Rick Root
Eric Creese wrote:
 Does not sound as if you Oracle tunned properly and being that you do not 
 have DBA on staff that can make it challenging. With it tunned properly it 
 runs great in my oppinion. Plus your applications may not be tunned properly 
 either. I also Run SQL2K and it has its benefits as well. Dabbled little with 
 MySql. Basically it comes down to what is best or the job and what it is you 
 are willing to support

I don't doubt that Oracle can be very very fast.  I even went to a week 
long oracle performance tuning class (taught by an Oracle employee, at 
an Oracle facility in Reston), but it was all just way too complicated.

I bet if we had a DBA on staff, we'd be sticking with Oracle =)

  - Rick

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Copying Images with cfhttp

2005-02-18 Thread Kevin Roche
Hi,

Has anyone tried to get an image from a remote server with CFHTTP?

I have an appliaction that gets several files from a remote server using
CFHTTP.

The text files all appear to be fetched correctly byt the gif image gets
distorted in the process. Anyone out there got any idea why?

Here is the code


cfloop index=i from=1 to=#arrayLen(aFiles)#

cfif Right(aFiles[i],1) IS NOT /
cfoutputGetting #aFiles[i]#br /br //cfoutput

cfset filename=ListLast(aFiles[i],/\)
cfhttp url=#aFiles[i]# method=GET resolveurl=true
timeout=#httptimeout# throwonerror=Yes 
cffile action=WRITE file=#webroot##downloaddir##filename#
output=#CFHTTP.FileContent# addnewline=No

/cfif

/cfloop

Obviously this is a binary file and maybe cfhttp can't handle it. If so
anyone know of a way to do it?

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Re: MySQL charging hard?

2005-02-18 Thread Paul Hastings
Rick Root wrote:
 I bet if we had a DBA on staff, we'd be sticking with Oracle =)

i bet if you had an oracle DBA on staff, there'd be a lot less of your 
staff around.

it's great that mySQL is finally catching up, but don't forget these new 
features will be 1.0 while all the big iron db's have had these things 
for a zillion years.

postgreSQL is a very capable database (and i'm a true blue ms sql server 
guy since version 6.5). got a good GUI admin. handles unicode. and right 
now, it's more extendable than sql server (though this may change 
w/sql server 2005). it's even got a very nice spatial database 
extension, postGIS that makes handling geographic data a breeze.

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Tiny MCE link issues

2005-02-18 Thread Deanna Schneider
I'm trying to use tinymce, and I have an issue with the link inserter. If 
someone doesn't use a protocol, it tries to make the link relative to the 
page. I've tried changing the relative_urls parameter to false, but that 
didn't stop it.

Has anyone written something that deals with this issue? I'd prefer that 
people not use relative URLs at all, but that they could just type in 
www.google.com or whatever, and it be a link.




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RE: Tiny MCE link issues

2005-02-18 Thread Damien McKenna
Have you tried the forums on http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/ ?

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Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread Mark A Kruger
Eric,

Take heart - we do a lot of this and once you get your head around it it's
not so hard. My approach has been to design a form or data display in
flash, then use the #include blah.as command, and start coding everything
in actionscript.  From that point on Flash because a way to test my movie.
I use Homesite+ to edit my action script files, I have an action script
parser and a bunch of help files integrated into the help tree. And I use
the netconnectiondebugger and the trace( ) command to introspect the
process When I'm satisfied I turn the whole thing over to a flash guru
and have him add animation and widgets etc. It's figuring out how to get rid
of all the helpful panels and visual aids  that is the hard part :)

As for your include remoting files you need the following commands #include
netservices.as and #include netdebug.as (that's from memory - so sombody
correct me if I get the file names wrong).  If you installed the remoting
components for flash from devnet they will already be in the includes folder
for you so you don't need to worry about not find them. Put them at the top
of the action pane for the first frame.

-Mark

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From: Eric Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:27 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever


Amen.



From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 2/18/2005 6:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever



I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting.  I have done
a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it,
but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any
resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to
work.

For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash
Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever
effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when
the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry.  From
the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web  it says.
  Nope.  Not on my FlashMX2004Professional.  No such menu item.

I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another
version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would
correlate with the tutorial.

And so it went on - The first thing we do is include the necessary
links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting.
but no clue given about including .. WHERE?

This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in
the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the
version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional.

Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of
flash?  There are so many differences between one version and another
- nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look.   I've
learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless
you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer within
the frame, nothing works.   So for a tutorial to be any use to
beginners, it has to give that information too.  Simply saying
include the necessary links is quite useless to a beginner (well
this beginner anyway).

I once tried to get help through the flash lists, but they did the
same thing.  They tried their hardest to be helpful, but because they
all know what to do, they forget to include the most basic information
that isnt obvious to people like me who havent even got the simplest
most elementary flash things to work.

Is it a vain hope that there is a really basic beginners tutorial for
flashMX2004Professional 7.2?

Is it too much to ask that tutorial writers and book authors state
what versions of things they're writing with?

--
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
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RE: Copying Images with cfhttp

2005-02-18 Thread Dave Watts
 Obviously this is a binary file and maybe cfhttp can't handle it. If so
 anyone know of a way to do it?

Use the FILE attribute of CFHTTP to save binary files directly to your
filesystem.

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Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread Bryan Stevenson
 flash, then use the #include blah.as command, and start coding 
 everything
 in actionscript.  From that point on Flash because a way to test my movie.
 I use Homesite+ to edit my action script files, I have an action script
 parser and a bunch of help files integrated into the help tree. And I use
 the netconnectiondebugger and the trace( ) command to introspect the
 process

I'm going to guess that it's help like this (no offence Mark...you're a 
helpful guy) that is hurting poor Eric ;-)

I've played with remoting a fiar amount (on and off)...and I've honestly 
never had that epiphany oh...that's the big picture...of course!!

In the above helpful paragraph I'd say:

-What's the #include blah.as command  (OK so I do know that one...but a 
newb would need to understand that the command is used in Flash in 
ActionScript)

-Help files integrated into the help tree (cool...but from where)

-NetConnectionDebugger and Trace() (newbie says what??)  (again...I've had 
some experience with them...but you get the point)...These are 
tools/utilities built into Flash that you can use to see what's going on 
under the hoodto use them you...blah blah blah (explain where to find 
and how to use these tools).

I fee yer pain Eric (especially because I have to dive back into this stuff 
to be up to date on my Flash to give a CF7 and Flash preso to a bunch of 
Java and .NET developers next month)

Cheers


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- Original Message - 
From: Mark A Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:53 AM
Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever


 Eric,

 Take heart - we do a lot of this and once you get your head around it it's
 not so hard. My approach has been to design a form or data display in
 flash, then use the #include blah.as command, and start coding 
 everything
 in actionscript.  From that point on Flash because a way to test my movie.
 I use Homesite+ to edit my action script files, I have an action script
 parser and a bunch of help files integrated into the help tree. And I use
 the netconnectiondebugger and the trace( ) command to introspect the
 process When I'm satisfied I turn the whole thing over to a flash guru
 and have him add animation and widgets etc. It's figuring out how to get 
 rid
 of all the helpful panels and visual aids  that is the hard part :)

 As for your include remoting files you need the following commands 
 #include
 netservices.as and #include netdebug.as (that's from memory - so 
 sombody
 correct me if I get the file names wrong).  If you installed the remoting
 components for flash from devnet they will already be in the includes 
 folder
 for you so you don't need to worry about not find them. Put them at the 
 top
 of the action pane for the first frame.

 -Mark

 -Original Message-
 From: Eric Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:27 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever


 Amen.

 

 From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Fri 2/18/2005 6:35 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever



 I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting.  I have done
 a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it,
 but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any
 resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to
 work.

 For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash
 Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever
 effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when
 the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry.  From
 the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web  it says.
  Nope.  Not on my FlashMX2004Professional.  No such menu item.

 I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another
 version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would
 correlate with the tutorial.

 And so it went on - The first thing we do is include the necessary
 links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting.
 but no clue given about including .. WHERE?

 This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in
 the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the
 version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional.

 Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of
 flash?  There are so many differences between one version and another
 - nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look.   I've
 learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless
 you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer 

RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread Dave Watts
 I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting.  I have done
 a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it,
 but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any
 resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to
 work.

I would strongly recommend the following books:

Macromedia Flash MX Professional 2004 for Server Geeks, by Nate Weiss
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735713820/qid=1108742421/sr=2-1/ref=
pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-3444380-8047209

Flash Remoting: The Definitive Guide, by Tom Muck
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/059600401X/ref=pd_sim_b_5/002-
3444380-8047209?%5Fencoding=UTF8v=glance

The second book doesn't cover MX 2004 updates, but those are available from
the book's companion site.

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Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread Chris Kief
Yes, it does get very confusing very quickly. For the beginner, it's tough
to tell where to begin even. For Flash MX there's the AS1 remoting
components. For MX04 there are both AS1 and AS2 versions (and if you choose
to work with the AS2 version, you have to download and install 2 different
things). And we haven't even started using the stuff yet. So I hear ya Mike!

So I see you're using MX04. I take it you're using CF 6.1 or CF 7? Which
remoting components have you installed (if any)?

chris

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On 2/18/05 7:26 AM, Eric Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Amen.
 
 
 
 From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Fri 2/18/2005 6:35 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
 
 
 
 I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting.  I have done
 a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it,
 but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any
 resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to
 work.
 
 For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash
 Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever
 effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when
 the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry.  From
 the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web  it says.
   Nope.  Not on my FlashMX2004Professional.  No such menu item.
 
 I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another
 version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would
 correlate with the tutorial.
 
 And so it went on - The first thing we do is include the necessary
 links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting.
 but no clue given about including .. WHERE?
 
 This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in
 the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the
 version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional.
 
 Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of
 flash?  There are so many differences between one version and another
 - nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look.   I've
 learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless
 you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer within
 the frame, nothing works.   So for a tutorial to be any use to
 beginners, it has to give that information too.  Simply saying
 include the necessary links is quite useless to a beginner (well
 this beginner anyway).
 
 I once tried to get help through the flash lists, but they did the
 same thing.  They tried their hardest to be helpful, but because they
 all know what to do, they forget to include the most basic information
 that isnt obvious to people like me who havent even got the simplest
 most elementary flash things to work.
 
 Is it a vain hope that there is a really basic beginners tutorial for
 flashMX2004Professional 7.2?
 
 Is it too much to ask that tutorial writers and book authors state
 what versions of things they're writing with?
 
 --
 Cheers
 Mike Kear
 Windsor, NSW, Australia
 Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
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Re: MySQL charging hard?

2005-02-18 Thread Keith Gaughan
Rick Root wrote:

 Will Tomlinson wrote:
 
I like my GUI's! Is that such a bad thing? 
 
 
 There are plenty of gui interfaces available for MySQL =)
 
 Although I have to admit, I like QueryAnalyzer a LOT more than any of 
 the mysql gui tools I've tried.

Have you tried the new Query Browser and Administrator apps? Not quite
as powerful as the SQL Server Query Analyser, but quite good when used
in concert (which is how they're supposed to be used).

K.

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Re: Tiny MCE link issues

2005-02-18 Thread Deanna Schneider
I've searched there, but don't see the answer to my question, and the 
responses there seem to be along the lines of just write your own 
function - not here's how you write a function to do that.


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 Have you tried the forums on http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/ ?



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RE: Copying Images with cfhttp

2005-02-18 Thread Kevin Roche
Dave,

Thanks for that.

One small problem though. I need to copy this file to all the servers in the
cluster so really there are multiple cffile action=write after the get.
I guess once I have the file I need to read it with cffile
action=readBinary, there is no writeBinary so will cffile
action=write work?

Kevin

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Sent: 18 February 2005 16:06
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Copying Images with cfhttp


 Obviously this is a binary file and maybe cfhttp can't handle it. If so
 anyone know of a way to do it?

Use the FILE attribute of CFHTTP to save binary files directly to your
filesystem.

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Re: CFGRID layout control 2 questions...

2005-02-18 Thread Brendan OHara
Hmmm well sort=no doesn't work for me when using a query to populate 
the grid.

Can anyone get it to work?

Brendan

Mike Nimer wrote:

Yea, just set the height big enough to hold all the rows.  And there is a
way to turn off all sorting, but not on some columns and not others. Just
set sort=No in the cfgrid tag.

Hth,
---nimer
 

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Subject: CFGRID layout control 2 questions...

Nimer et al.

Is there a way I can get a CFGRID to show all 8 rows and not show the scroll
bar?

Is there a way to disable sorting by clicking the column header?

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Zip code radius database?

2005-02-18 Thread Jon Block
I need to be able to find all zip codes within x miles of a given zip code.
What' the best (perhaps free) way to do this?

Gracias!
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Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread Mike Kear
Brian, you put your finger on the problem precisely.   I cant count
the number of times I've started off doing something in flash, only to
be stymied about half way through, scratching my head and saying to
myself ... 'yes, use that command .. but WHERE?  or I dont have a
menu like that .. so where else might it be?   or 'i could find that
here yesterday, now it isn't there?

( I assume that last case is because I had some other parameter
different than last time I tried, but which parameter?  no idea.)

Then it gets all too hard and I still have a family and a life to
lead, so I throw flash away for another 4 months until i get motivated
to try again.

I dont blame anyone in the flash community - they're almost all eager
to help,  but I think they're so close to the thing they have no idea
that someone like me might be totally lost.

Not even the examples in the FlashMX help files seem to be working for me.

For example  (and this is only one example of the multiple
frustrations with dealing with flash)  .. I installed the flashMX
remoting components.  I executed the install file
FlashRemotingComponents-win-en.exe  to be precise, and let it do
whatever it wanted.But i can't find any file called 
netservices.as anywhere on my system.  SO it's one thing to say
include netservices.as' but where the *#%^% is the damn thing?



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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:03:08 -0800, Bryan Stevenson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  flash, then use the #include blah.as command, and start coding
  everything
  in actionscript.  From that point on Flash because a way to test my movie.
  I use Homesite+ to edit my action script files, I have an action script
  parser and a bunch of help files integrated into the help tree. And I use
  the netconnectiondebugger and the trace( ) command to introspect the
  process
 
 I'm going to guess that it's help like this (no offence Mark...you're a
 helpful guy) that is hurting poor Eric ;-)
 
 I've played with remoting a fiar amount (on and off)...and I've honestly
 never had that epiphany oh...that's the big picture...of course!!
 
 In the above helpful paragraph I'd say:
 
 -What's the #include blah.as command  (OK so I do know that one...but a
 newb would need to understand that the command is used in Flash in
 ActionScript)
 
 -Help files integrated into the help tree (cool...but from where)
 
 -NetConnectionDebugger and Trace() (newbie says what??)  (again...I've had
 some experience with them...but you get the point)...These are
 tools/utilities built into Flash that you can use to see what's going on
 under the hoodto use them you...blah blah blah (explain where to find
 and how to use these tools).
 
 I fee yer pain Eric (especially because I have to dive back into this stuff
 to be up to date on my Flash to give a CF7 and Flash preso to a bunch of
 Java and .NET developers next month)
 
 Cheers
 
 Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
 VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
 Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
 phone: 250.480.0642
 fax: 250.480.1264
 cell: 250.920.8830
 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 - Original Message -
 From: Mark A Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:53 AM
 Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
 
  Eric,
 
  Take heart - we do a lot of this and once you get your head around it it's
  not so hard. My approach has been to design a form or data display in
  flash, then use the #include blah.as command, and start coding
  everything
  in actionscript.  From that point on Flash because a way to test my movie.
  I use Homesite+ to edit my action script files, I have an action script
  parser and a bunch of help files integrated into the help tree. And I use
  the netconnectiondebugger and the trace( ) command to introspect the
  process When I'm satisfied I turn the whole thing over to a flash guru
  and have him add animation and widgets etc. It's figuring out how to get
  rid
  of all the helpful panels and visual aids  that is the hard part :)
 
  As for your include remoting files you need the following commands
  #include
  netservices.as and #include netdebug.as (that's from memory - so
  sombody
  correct me if I get the file names wrong).  If you installed the remoting
  components for flash from devnet they will already be in the includes
  folder
  for you so you don't need to worry about not find them. Put them at the
  top
  of the action pane for the first frame.
 
  -Mark
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Eric Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:27 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
 
 
  Amen.
 
  
 
  From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Fri 2/18/2005 6:35 AM
 

Re: MySQL charging hard?

2005-02-18 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Michael T. Tangorre wrote:
 From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 What about PostgreSQL?
 
 Interesting you mention that. I was just about to ask the list about it...
 who is using it... their impressions. I just downloaded it after reading
 some articles on it last night.

I use it and I like it.


Since version 8 it has a native version for Windows. If you want 
to check it out, the installation should be painless. (One thing 
I love is that it is hardcoded in the executable that you can not 
run PostgreSQL as administrator. The installer takes care about 
creating a separate user for the service for you.) But you need 
to write down the password for the database superuser.

After installation the most important issues are:
- create databases in Unicode (UTF8) to work with CF MX/7 (IIRC 
you can't set this during installation yet)
- set up a scheduled task that runs vacuum and analyze (see 
chapter 21 Routine database maintenance tasks)


Nice things you can do and won't find in most other databases:
- exotic datatypes, PostgreSQL has some special datatypes that 
can save you a lot of headaches (IP, MAC, interval, GIS etc.)
- create your own datatypes, for instance:
CREATE DOMAIN emailaddr AS TEXT CHECK (VALUE ~ '[EMAIL PROTECTED]');
CREATE TABLE subscriber (
   IDINTEGER,
   email EMAILADDR,
   name  TEXT,
   ...   ...
   )
(OK, you will find this in most other databases. But I think this 
technique is undervalued so I mention it anyway:-)
- explain query plans
Admittedly not for everyone, but for me the output format of the 
PostgreSQL EXPLAIN ANALYZE command is the perfect match between 
completeness and readability: its format matches the scientific 
literature on query planners. (Probably because a significant 
part of that literature was developed on PostgreSQL.)
- transactional DDL
Drop a table, create a new one, change the definition, and if you 
don't like the result you just roll it back.
- many procedural languages (C, R, Java, PHP, Perl, PL/pgSQL, Python)

Jochem

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Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread Alex Sherwood
Mark A Kruger wrote:

I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting.  I have done
a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it,
but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any
resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to
work.
  


The use cases for Flash Remoting are dubious at best. In all the times 
we've considered it, there has always been a better, HTML based 
alternative, especially when you consider development time and hassle, 
together with maintenance.

The new Flash Forms in CFMX7 could prove to be useful, if not Flex itself.

My $0.02.

--
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RE: Zip code radius database?

2005-02-18 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
 From: Jon Block [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 I need to be able to find all zip codes within x miles of a 
 given zip code.
 What' the best (perhaps free) way to do this?

You need to obtain a database of zip codes including lat/long coordinates.
Then the formula for calculating distance is out on the net (google).
Pengoworks.com has a zipcodes DB in the JS Gateway examples area that has
all the zip code / lat / long information... I don't know how current the
data is though.

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Re: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

2005-02-18 Thread Kwang Suh
You mean a different port number for each site under development?

e.g  http://66.79.46.138:85/DevelopmentSite/Index.cfm ?

No, it would look like:

http://66.79.46.138:85/Index.cfm


Rick


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You can also use different port numbers.

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Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread Mike Kear
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 03:34:50 +1100, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Brian, you put your finger on the problem precisely.   I cant count
 the number of times I've started off doing something in flash, only to
 be stymied about half way through, scratching my head and saying to
 myself ... 'yes, use that command .. but WHERE?  or I dont have a
 menu like that .. so where else might it be?   or 'i could find that
 here yesterday, now it isn't there?
 
 ( I assume that last case is because I had some other parameter
 different than last time I tried, but which parameter?  no idea.)
 
 Then it gets all too hard and I still have a family and a life to
 lead, so I throw flash away for another 4 months until i get motivated
 to try again.
 
 I dont blame anyone in the flash community - they're almost all eager
 to help,  but I think they're so close to the thing they have no idea
 that someone like me might be totally lost.
 
 Not even the examples in the FlashMX help files seem to be working for me.
 
 For example  (and this is only one example of the multiple
 frustrations with dealing with flash)  .. I installed the flashMX
 remoting components.  I executed the install file
 FlashRemotingComponents-win-en.exe  to be precise, and let it do
 whatever it wanted.But i can't find any file called
 netservices.as anywhere on my system.  SO it's one thing to say
 include netservices.as' but where the *#%^% is the damn thing?
 
 
 Cheers
 Mike Kear
 Windsor, NSW, Australia
 Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
 AFP Webworks
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 ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
 
 On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:03:08 -0800, Bryan Stevenson
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   flash, then use the #include blah.as command, and start coding
   everything
   in actionscript.  From that point on Flash because a way to test my movie.
   I use Homesite+ to edit my action script files, I have an action script
   parser and a bunch of help files integrated into the help tree. And I use
   the netconnectiondebugger and the trace( ) command to introspect the
   process
 
  I'm going to guess that it's help like this (no offence Mark...you're a
  helpful guy) that is hurting poor Eric ;-)
 
  I've played with remoting a fiar amount (on and off)...and I've honestly
  never had that epiphany oh...that's the big picture...of course!!
 
  In the above helpful paragraph I'd say:
 
  -What's the #include blah.as command  (OK so I do know that one...but a
  newb would need to understand that the command is used in Flash in
  ActionScript)
 
  -Help files integrated into the help tree (cool...but from where)
 
  -NetConnectionDebugger and Trace() (newbie says what??)  (again...I've had
  some experience with them...but you get the point)...These are
  tools/utilities built into Flash that you can use to see what's going on
  under the hoodto use them you...blah blah blah (explain where to find
  and how to use these tools).
 
  I fee yer pain Eric (especially because I have to dive back into this stuff
  to be up to date on my Flash to give a CF7 and Flash preso to a bunch of
  Java and .NET developers next month)
 
  Cheers
 
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RE: MySQL charging hard?

2005-02-18 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
 From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Since version 8 it has a native version for Windows. If you 
 want to check it out, the installation should be painless. 
 (One thing I love is that it is hardcoded in the executable 
 that you can not run PostgreSQL as administrator. The 
 installer takes care about creating a separate user for the 
 service for you.) But you need to write down the password for 
 the database superuser.
 
 After installation the most important issues are:
 - create databases in Unicode (UTF8) to work with CF MX/7 
 (IIRC you can't set this during installation yet)
 - set up a scheduled task that runs vacuum and analyze (see 
 chapter 21 Routine database maintenance tasks)
 
 
 Nice things you can do and won't find in most other databases:
 - exotic datatypes, PostgreSQL has some special datatypes 
 that can save you a lot of headaches (IP, MAC, interval, GIS etc.)
 - create your own datatypes, for instance:
 CREATE DOMAIN emailaddr AS TEXT CHECK (VALUE ~ 
 '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'); CREATE TABLE subscriber (
IDINTEGER,
email EMAILADDR,
name  TEXT,
...   ...
)
 (OK, you will find this in most other databases. But I think 
 this technique is undervalued so I mention it anyway:-)
 - explain query plans
 Admittedly not for everyone, but for me the output format of 
 the PostgreSQL EXPLAIN ANALYZE command is the perfect match 
 between completeness and readability: its format matches the 
 scientific literature on query planners. (Probably because a 
 significant part of that literature was developed on PostgreSQL.)
 - transactional DDL
 Drop a table, create a new one, change the definition, and if 
 you don't like the result you just roll it back.
 - many procedural languages (C, R, Java, PHP, Perl, PL/pgSQL, Python)

Thanks Jochem!

I have it up and running now... pretty neat! I need to read through the docs
this weekend and get a little more familiar but it seems pretty
straightforward thus far.

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RE: Zip code radius database?

2005-02-18 Thread Max Hamby
If you can get a zip code db that contains latitudes and longitudes you can
use:

The great circle distance d between two points with coordinates {lat1,lon1}
and {lat2,lon2} is given by:

d=acos(sin(lat1)*sin(lat2)+cos(lat1)*cos(lat2)*cos(lon1-lon2))

Props go to Novak Banda.

He used to have a free zip code db at http://www.cfdynamics.com/zipbase but
I'm not sure if its still there, updated, or whatever...

HTH,
Max

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Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 11:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Zip code radius database?


I need to be able to find all zip codes within x miles of a given zip code.
What' the best (perhaps free) way to do this?

Gracias!
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Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Hey Mike,

I've had the best help wit the various ChattyFig (from FigLeaf Software). 
They have a newbie list and some more advanced lists.  Everyone on there was 
always helpfuland they tended to get really basic which was nice ;-)

and sorry for confusing you with Eric ;-)

Cheers

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Re: MySQL charging hard?

2005-02-18 Thread John Paul Ashenfelter
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:34:31 -0500, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Eric Creese wrote:
  Does not sound as if you Oracle tunned properly and being that you do not 
  have DBA on staff that can make it challenging. With it tunned properly it 
  runs great in my oppinion. Plus your applications may not be tunned 
  properly either. I also Run SQL2K and it has its benefits as well. Dabbled 
  little with MySql. Basically it comes down to what is best or the job and 
  what it is you are willing to support
 
 I don't doubt that Oracle can be very very fast.  I even went to a week
 long oracle performance tuning class (taught by an Oracle employee, at
 an Oracle facility in Reston), but it was all just way too complicated.

MySQL can also be *extremely* fast -- depending on how well you've
tuned it and your specific needs. One really great part of MySQL is
that each table can use a different handler, and the MyISAM tables are
*very* fast for indexed reads and many inserts. Since they are *not*
transaction safe, they don't have all the overhead of MS-SQL, Oracle,
PostgreSQL, etc when you don't need that overhead (data warehousing
for example).

I just rewrote the training materials for MySQL's week-long MySQL
intro course, which includes about 1.5 days on tuning. For many types
of web applications MySQL properly tuned can easily compete with
Oracle -- there's several presentations coming up at the MySQL Users
Conf in April on multi-terabyte MySQL database projects...
 
 I bet if we had a DBA on staff, we'd be sticking with Oracle =)

One thing about MS-SQL that's great is that it works really well *out
of the box*. MySQL and Oracle out of the box may or may not be tuned
properly. Simply enabling the query cache in MySQL 4.1+ can provide a
drastic improvement in applications that do a lot of repeated read
(blog, content delivery sites, catalogs) but you have to know about
it.
 
   - Rick


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RE: Zip code radius database?

2005-02-18 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
 From: Max Hamby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 If you can get a zip code db that contains latitudes and 
 longitudes you can
 use:
 
 The great circle distance d between two points with 
 coordinates {lat1,lon1} and {lat2,lon2} is given by:
 
 d=acos(sin(lat1)*sin(lat2)+cos(lat1)*cos(lat2)*cos(lon1-lon2))

Remember to convert to radians first or include the conversion to radians
from degrees in the formula.

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Re: MySQL charging hard?

2005-02-18 Thread John Paul Ashenfelter
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:13:25 -0500, Michael T. Tangorre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  What about PostgreSQL?
 
 Interesting you mention that. I was just about to ask the list about it...
 who is using it... their impressions. I just downloaded it after reading
 some articles on it last night.

I like PostgreSQL a lot, but until recently the fact that it didn't
run reliably on Windows (I mean, cmon, installing under Cygwin?!!?)
made it a hard-sell to replace MS-SQL Server, while MySQL has been
running reliably on Windows for quite a while.

PostgreSQL and MySQL are fundamentally different animals. MySQL
originally came out of a data warehousing project as a replacement for
msql (and old open source db) and is missing a number of features
(transactions, views, stored procs, triggers) that have been slowly
added in as it moves into more enterprise situations (and gains more
mindshare). PostgreSQL was more of a direct replacement for Oracle, et
al, and thus has had far better support for heavily OLTP-oriented
applications.

I personally keep both in my toolbox (and MS-SQL for some projects as
well). Considering the nature of most web applications, I find MySQL
handles just about everything that's necessary. Postgresql I think
about more for serious enterprise applications where OLTP is far more
crucial (though there's no inherent reason MySQL Innodb tables can't
handle that).

I think the cost issue is a moot point (over the course of a project,
the difference between free and $5-10k/proc for a MS-SQL unlimited
license), especially when you factor in *moving* to MySQL from MS-SQL
and the related training and productivity costs. But if you're
thinking of scaling out or distributing/selling an application, it's a
lot easier to pay $495/server (for the optional commercial, supported
license of MySQL) thatn $5k+/processor for MS-SQL.

Of course there's other open source options like Firebird and Derby
(formerly IBM Cloudscape) that are interesting to use as well

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RE: MySQL charging hard?

2005-02-18 Thread Eric Creese
Different applications require different databases. Each databse has it perks 
and failures, depends on what you need. I would guess that Oracle is over kill 
for most web apps. For that matter SQL2K, DB2 and informix maybe as well. MySql 
is free but it has it's draw backs, i.e. no stored procedures and I believe 
therie is SQL nesting incapabilities as well. Like I said it is up to whomever 
to decide your database needs and I believe in using the best product for the 
project.

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From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: MySQL charging hard?


On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:34:31 -0500, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Eric Creese wrote:
  Does not sound as if you Oracle tunned properly and being that you do not 
  have DBA on staff that can make it challenging. With it tunned properly it 
  runs great in my oppinion. Plus your applications may not be tunned 
  properly either. I also Run SQL2K and it has its benefits as well. Dabbled 
  little with MySql. Basically it comes down to what is best or the job and 
  what it is you are willing to support
 
 I don't doubt that Oracle can be very very fast.  I even went to a week
 long oracle performance tuning class (taught by an Oracle employee, at
 an Oracle facility in Reston), but it was all just way too complicated.

MySQL can also be *extremely* fast -- depending on how well you've
tuned it and your specific needs. One really great part of MySQL is
that each table can use a different handler, and the MyISAM tables are
*very* fast for indexed reads and many inserts. Since they are *not*
transaction safe, they don't have all the overhead of MS-SQL, Oracle,
PostgreSQL, etc when you don't need that overhead (data warehousing
for example).

I just rewrote the training materials for MySQL's week-long MySQL
intro course, which includes about 1.5 days on tuning. For many types
of web applications MySQL properly tuned can easily compete with
Oracle -- there's several presentations coming up at the MySQL Users
Conf in April on multi-terabyte MySQL database projects...
 
 I bet if we had a DBA on staff, we'd be sticking with Oracle =)

One thing about MS-SQL that's great is that it works really well *out
of the box*. MySQL and Oracle out of the box may or may not be tuned
properly. Simply enabling the query cache in MySQL 4.1+ can provide a
drastic improvement in applications that do a lot of repeated read
(blog, content delivery sites, catalogs) but you have to know about
it.
 
   - Rick


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RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

2005-02-18 Thread Rick Faircloth
Hi, Kwang...

So, using ports like that would mean there would be no root directory
for the websites?  i.e., the port would act as the root for the site?
I'm not sure I understand the actual directory structure for
http://66.79.46.138:85/Index.cfm...

Rick



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Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks


You mean a different port number for each site under development?

e.g  http://66.79.46.138:85/DevelopmentSite/Index.cfm ?

No, it would look like:

http://66.79.46.138:85/Index.cfm


Rick


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You can also use different port numbers.



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RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread Adrian Lynch
I'll second that. You now have to sign up to look at the archives which were
open to all a while ago. I've also not received any posts from Flashcoders
since Tuesday, not sure what's up with that. The Flashnewbies list is great
for so called simple questions. I've had some really good replies which
helped get my head around Flash in general.

I'm not sure who said it, but it is true that you finally get what's
happening in Flash, remoting included.

I'd disagree with Alex S on there always being a better way in HTML.
Sometimes you need to get content into Flash and I'd go for remoting over
LoadVars. XML has proved useful in the past and the webservices in the
lastest Flash release has also shown to be useful. I guess it comes down to
what's needed for the job.

Ade

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Sent: 18 February 2005 16:51
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever


Hey Mike,

I've had the best help wit the various ChattyFig (from FigLeaf Software).
They have a newbie list and some more advanced lists.  Everyone on there was
always helpfuland they tended to get really basic which was nice ;-)

.and sorry for confusing you with Eric ;-)

Cheers

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Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

2005-02-18 Thread John Paul Ashenfelter
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:30:37 -0500, Robert Bailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I second that one, I have never had a problem finding any errors in any
 FB code I have written. Usually the error or the debug is more then
 enough.
 
 As for maintenance, it depends on if you inherited the site after some
 @*^$ got finished applying his new knowledge from ColdFusion for
 Dummies and figured they should write the app in FB because they heard
 about it on some website, heh.

While there were certainly problems with CF4 For Dummies, CFMX for
Dummies was *much* better and included a chapter on Fusebox... of
course I'm biased since I'm coauthor on both books. Still doesn't
excuse how awful the first one was (not my fault -- my chapters were
decent...)

Not that I'm defensive :) There are still plenty of sites I've
inherited that I *wish* someone had read ColdFusion for Dummies before
writing it. Or programming for dummies. Or HTML for dummies. Or SQL
for Dummies.

Maybe the problem is that they're inherently dummies :)
 
 Then the problems come in :)
 
 We can go on about that one
 
 
 Robert Bailey
 Internal Systems
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 Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:24 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Plum vs Adalon?
 
  From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  What bugs me with FB is that it takes hours just to figure
  out in WHICH %$/? template is the piece of code you need to
  modify. So if maintenance easiness was the concern, they
  totally missed the point.
 
 This surprises me as maintenance in FB is much easier as far as I am
 concerned. If you have proper error/exception handling in place as well
 as a
 properly structured FB app, finding out where an issue is takes about 2
 seconds.
 
 

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Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Yep...one of my partners said the ChattyFig lists have been down for a 
couple of days :-(

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RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

2005-02-18 Thread Dave Watts
 So, using ports like that would mean there would be no root directory
 for the websites?  i.e., the port would act as the root for the site?
 I'm not sure I understand the actual directory structure for
 http://66.79.46.138:85/Index.cfm...

No, you would still need to have separate virtual hosts for each site, and
each virtual host would typically have its own root directory. Using
different ports just lets you use the same IP address or DNS name to connect
to different virtual servers.

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RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread Dave Watts
 Yep...one of my partners said the ChattyFig lists have been down for a 
 couple of days :-(

Yes, unfortunately we've been having a few problems with that server since
it was upgraded. We're looking into it. I apologize for any inconvenience.

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RE: Copying Images with cfhttp

2005-02-18 Thread Dave Watts
 One small problem though. I need to copy this file to all the servers 
 in the cluster so really there are multiple cffile action=write 
 after the get. I guess once I have the file I need to read it with 
 cffile action=readBinary, there is no writeBinary so will cffile
 action=write work?

It might. However, you might be better served by another approach. Why not
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files to the other cluster members, rather than copying each file as you
fetch it? The advantage of this approach is that you could easily do that
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RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

2005-02-18 Thread Rick Faircloth
So, when referencing the virtual server, I'd just use a URL like
http://66.79.46.138:85/Index.cfm because it would take the visitor
directly inside the root directory?  Am I understanding that correctly?

And I guess the key difference is in the properties for the virtual
directory,
where instead of port 80, port 85 would be specified for the site?  And
port 85 would have to be opened in the router, too?

Rick


-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 12:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks


 So, using ports like that would mean there would be no root directory
 for the websites?  i.e., the port would act as the root for the site?
 I'm not sure I understand the actual directory structure for
 http://66.79.46.138:85/Index.cfm...

No, you would still need to have separate virtual hosts for each site, and
each virtual host would typically have its own root directory. Using
different ports just lets you use the same IP address or DNS name to connect
to different virtual servers.

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RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

2005-02-18 Thread Dave Watts
 So, when referencing the virtual server, I'd just use a URL like
 http://66.79.46.138:85/Index.cfm because it would take the visitor
 directly inside the root directory?  Am I understanding that correctly?

Yes.

 And I guess the key difference is in the properties for the virtual
 directory, where instead of port 80, port 85 would be specified for the 
 site?  

Yes, except that for the sake of accuracy, this would be a virtual server,
not a virtual directory.

 And port 85 would have to be opened in the router, too?

Yes. I would not recommend this approach for public sites, simply because
typing the port in the URL is one more thing that the user has to do to get
to your site.

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RE: Copying Images with cfhttp

2005-02-18 Thread Kevin Roche
Hi,

cffile action=write works fine for Binary data.

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Roche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 February 2005 16:33
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Copying Images with cfhttp


Dave,

Thanks for that.

One small problem though. I need to copy this file to all the servers in the
cluster so really there are multiple cffile action=write after the get.
I guess once I have the file I need to read it with cffile
action=readBinary, there is no writeBinary so will cffile
action=write work?

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 February 2005 16:06
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Copying Images with cfhttp


 Obviously this is a binary file and maybe cfhttp can't handle it. If so
 anyone know of a way to do it?

Use the FILE attribute of CFHTTP to save binary files directly to your
filesystem.

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RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

2005-02-18 Thread Kevin Roche
One thing that makes life interesting in this case is that the CF root and
the Web root will be different.

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 February 2005 17:26
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks


 So, using ports like that would mean there would be no root directory
 for the websites?  i.e., the port would act as the root for the site?
 I'm not sure I understand the actual directory structure for
 http://66.79.46.138:85/Index.cfm...

No, you would still need to have separate virtual hosts for each site, and
each virtual host would typically have its own root directory. Using
different ports just lets you use the same IP address or DNS name to connect
to different virtual servers.

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RE: Copying Images with cfhttp

2005-02-18 Thread Kevin Roche
Dave,

I wanted to control what is happening with CF but 

What tools would you suggest?

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 February 2005 17:36
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Copying Images with cfhttp


 One small problem though. I need to copy this file to all the servers
 in the cluster so really there are multiple cffile action=write
 after the get. I guess once I have the file I need to read it with
 cffile action=readBinary, there is no writeBinary so will cffile
 action=write work?

It might. However, you might be better served by another approach. Why not
fetch all the files you need to one cluster member, then copy all those
files to the other cluster members, rather than copying each file as you
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RE: Outlook Coldfusion

2005-02-18 Thread E C list
This is a timely topic for me as well.  My collegues
and I use outlook, but we've found ourselves
maintaining a seperate ColdFusion based calendar. 
What would be very nice would be a way to sync
everyone's calendars together.  Or at very least have
changes made on the ColdFusion calendar be somehow
distributed out to the relevant party's Outlook
calendars.  It should be noted that for this project,
many of us aren't in the same office or even the same
company.  

Also, if you use the COM objects, does outlook need to
be installed on the server too?

EC

-Original Message-
From: James Holmes
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Outlook  Coldfusion


vCal is the standard format and cflib.org has a
function for dealing with
it, but in Outlook all the appointment stuff will be
obscured inside MS'
proprietary TNEF standard - I'd be surprised if this
were easily
reproducible.

-Original Message-
From: Dawson, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 17 February 2005 5:09 
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Outlook  Coldfusion

Check out the vCal standard.  Also, if you create a
meeting request in
Outlook and send it to a non-Microsoft mail client,
you might be able to
view the headers and find the information that
requests accepts/declines,
etc. 

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Mannion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Outlook  Coldfusion

Does anyone know if this can be done:

In outlook you can create appointments and send them
to others for approval,
like accept, decline etc. Is there anyway for a cfmail
to send this type of
appointment email? I don't think it can be that
difficult, maybe just
sending different types of headers?

If anyone has see this done or has any advice please
let me know.



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RE: Outlook Coldfusion

2005-02-18 Thread Dawson, Michael
I take it you don't have Exchange to share calendars?

-Original Message-
From: E C list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 11:37 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Outlook  Coldfusion

This is a timely topic for me as well.  My collegues and I use outlook,
but we've found ourselves maintaining a seperate ColdFusion based
calendar. 
What would be very nice would be a way to sync everyone's calendars
together.  Or at very least have changes made on the ColdFusion calendar
be somehow distributed out to the relevant party's Outlook calendars.
It should be noted that for this project, many of us aren't in the same
office or even the same company.  

Also, if you use the COM objects, does outlook need to be installed on
the server too?

EC

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RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

2005-02-18 Thread Rick Faircloth
Thanks, Dave...

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 12:41 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks


 So, when referencing the virtual server, I'd just use a URL like
 http://66.79.46.138:85/Index.cfm because it would take the visitor
 directly inside the root directory?  Am I understanding that correctly?

Yes.

 And I guess the key difference is in the properties for the virtual
 directory, where instead of port 80, port 85 would be specified for the
 site?

Yes, except that for the sake of accuracy, this would be a virtual server,
not a virtual directory.

 And port 85 would have to be opened in the router, too?

Yes. I would not recommend this approach for public sites, simply because
typing the port in the URL is one more thing that the user has to do to get
to your site.

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RE: CF7: cfgrid - flash

2005-02-18 Thread Mike Nimer
Try this.

cfform name=frmtest
   cfgrid name=gridtest
 selectMode=row 
 format=flash
 rowHeaders=no
 onChange = getURL('/retrace/editProjectForm.cfm?cfgridkey='
+gridtest.selectedItem.projCode)
   cfgridcolumn name=projID display=no
   cfgridcolumn name=projCode header=Proj. Code
   cfgridcolumn name=projTitle header=Title
   cfgridcolumn name=projStartDate header=Start Date
   cfgridrow data=1,a123,hello1,12/12/2002
   cfgridrow data=2,a124,hello2,12/22/2002
   cfgridrow data=3,a125,hello3,12/24/2002
/cfgrid
/cfform

Hth,
---nimer 

-Original Message-
From: Doug Kronenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF7: cfgrid - flash

I can't figure out how to get the flash grid to operate in a similar manner
as the applet does. How do I access and pass the selected projID in the url.
I'm try'n to use the the actionscript getURL(), but how do I access the id I
want?

cfform name=frmtest
   cfgrid name=gridtest
 query=getProjList
 selectMode=row 
 format=flash
 rowHeaders=no
 onChange = getURL('/retrace/editProjectForm.cfm?cfgridkey=')
   cfgridcolumn name=projID display=no
   cfgridcolumn name=projCode header=Proj. Code
   cfgridcolumn name=projTitle header=Title
   cfgridcolumn name=projStartDate header=Start Date
/cfgrid
/cfform

Any help would be great

Thanks in advance

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RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

2005-02-18 Thread Rick Faircloth
Don't think I understand...at least not without a little more thinking
about...
Care to elaborate on what you mean?  Implications?
(I assume you're just talking about using a different port scenario only,
right?)

Rick


-Original Message-
From: Kevin Roche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 12:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks


One thing that makes life interesting in this case is that the CF root and
the Web root will be different.

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 February 2005 17:26
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks


 So, using ports like that would mean there would be no root directory
 for the websites?  i.e., the port would act as the root for the site?
 I'm not sure I understand the actual directory structure for
 http://66.79.46.138:85/Index.cfm...

No, you would still need to have separate virtual hosts for each site, and
each virtual host would typically have its own root directory. Using
different ports just lets you use the same IP address or DNS name to connect
to different virtual servers.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/

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Forums software, recommendations?

2005-02-18 Thread Dustin Snell [Network Automation]
Hello all,

 

What is the best ColdFusion based discussion forum software? We don't mind
paying, but the quality and customizability needs to be there. Currently we
are using Webboards, but it's a nightmare.

 

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RE: SQL Server mirroring

2005-02-18 Thread Dustin Snell [Network Automation]
It's expensive!! About 3-4k for one server!

Thanks though.

-Dustin

-Original Message-
From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 1:30 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL Server mirroring

http://www.legato.com/products/costandbyserver/

I guess they just changed the name of Co StandBy Server to FullTime
AutoStart.

Jacob

-Original Message-
From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 1:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL Server mirroring

For SQL server, we use Legato Co-StandBy Server. Ours runs in Active/Passive
setup. You do not need SQL Enterprise or Windows Enterprise / Advanced
addition to cluster with CSBS.

http://www.legato.com

You need the same type of set up (hard drive, RAM, and CPUs for it to work
correctly.

For web servers, we have load balancers to take care of redundancy.

-Original Message-
From: Dustin Snell [Network Automation]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:57 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: SQL Server mirroring

Sorry this is kind of OT but it does have to do with our ColdFusion driven
website.

We currently have no redundancy in our web server environment and would like
to change this. This would mean some kind of mirror/cluster would need to be
set up for our web server and for our SQL server. 

I know there is clustercats for ColdFusion but we want to do the database
server first. Everything I am reading says you need at least *three*
machines to do a simple mirror with SQL Server, is this true?? We would like
to have two machines, machine A and Machine B. Machine B stays in synch with
A and only goes live if Machine A is out of service. Why would this need and
more than two machines? 

Anyone know of a way to accomplish what we are looking for?

Any advise about server mirroring, and/or clustering would be appreciated.

Thanks!

-Dustin










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Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread Adrocknaphobia
Tom Muck's book is top notch.  Flash remoting content aside, it was
one of the best tech books I read last year.

Also Fig Leaf's Advanced Actionscript course was excellent.

-Adam


On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:13:00 -0500, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting.  I have done
  a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it,
  but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any
  resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to
  work.
 
 I would strongly recommend the following books:
 
 Macromedia Flash MX Professional 2004 for Server Geeks, by Nate Weiss
 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735713820/qid=1108742421/sr=2-1/ref=
 pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-3444380-8047209
 
 Flash Remoting: The Definitive Guide, by Tom Muck
 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/059600401X/ref=pd_sim_b_5/002-
 3444380-8047209?%5Fencoding=UTF8v=glance
 
 The second book doesn't cover MX 2004 updates, but those are available from
 the book's companion site.
 
 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 http://www.figleaf.com/
 
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 instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
 Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
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Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread Rick Mason
Mike,

A useful first tutorial to Flash Remoting is Ben Forta's article in
CFDJ titled, Data Entry Reformed:

http://www.sys-con.com/coldfusion/article.cfm?id=528

For something a little more advanced our CFUG had Craig Boyles, one of
the developers at MetaSurge, show us how to create a basic
add-edit-delete example using Flash remoting.

http://www.coldfusion.org/downloads/MMCFUG_FlashWebService.zip

It's still not easy or intuitive for a CF'er to use Flash but it is do-able.


Rick Mason


On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:35:13 +1100, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting.  I have done
 a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it,
 but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any
 resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to
 work.
 
 For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash
 Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever
 effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when
 the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry.  From
 the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web  it says.
  Nope.  Not on my FlashMX2004Professional.  No such menu item.
 
 I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another
 version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would
 correlate with the tutorial.
 
 And so it went on - The first thing we do is include the necessary
 links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting.
 but no clue given about including .. WHERE?
 
 This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in
 the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the
 version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional.
 
 Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of
 flash?  There are so many differences between one version and another
 - nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look.   I've
 learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless
 you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer within
 the frame, nothing works.   So for a tutorial to be any use to
 beginners, it has to give that information too.  Simply saying
 include the necessary links is quite useless to a beginner (well
 this beginner anyway).
 
 I once tried to get help through the flash lists, but they did the
 same thing.  They tried their hardest to be helpful, but because they
 all know what to do, they forget to include the most basic information
 that isnt obvious to people like me who havent even got the simplest
 most elementary flash things to work.
 
 Is it a vain hope that there is a really basic beginners tutorial for
 flashMX2004Professional 7.2?
 
 Is it too much to ask that tutorial writers and book authors state
 what versions of things they're writing with?
 
 --
 Cheers
 Mike Kear
 Windsor, NSW, Australia
 Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
 AFP Webworks
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 ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
 
 

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Re: Forums software, recommendations?

2005-02-18 Thread Rick Root
Dustin Snell [Network Automation] wrote:
 
 What is the best ColdFusion based discussion forum software? We don't mind
 paying, but the quality and customizability needs to be there. Currently we
 are using Webboards, but it's a nightmare.

Fusetalk is the most feature rich... it's commercial.  But there are 
definately times when I find the UI unfriendly.

Galleon is nice (Ray Camden's forum)
http://ray.camdenfamily.com/forums/

You might also look at CFBB, which looks like it was based on the very 
popular phpBB: http://www.adersoftware.com/index.cfm?page=cfbb

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a little good-natured snooping

2005-02-18 Thread Paul
Hi all,

 

A client I had quite some time ago asked me to password protect his site - a
request made after the site was already complete.  He didn't want to pay for
a proper solution, so I basically created some a static password
cookie-based system.  Now he says his former partner gained access to his
site without a password, though I think it's much more likely that his
partner just got ahold of a password.

 

I wonder if any of you would like to try to view this page - try to get past
the password challenge without knowing the legitimate passwords.  If you can
do it I'd like to know how you did it.  (Because it's a weaker-than-normal
scheme I don't doubt it's possible, but I'm resistant to his insistence that
a joe-shmoe could hack his way in.)

 

Anyway give it a spin if you're interested:  http://www.mcglogistics.biz
http://www.mcglogistics.biz/  

 

2 more things:  Firefox pukes on the site.  (standards shmandards, I used to
say.).  Also it's not any sensitive data at all - just brochureware he
decided he needed to control access to.  So I'm not at all worried about
handing over the keys to the kingdom by inviting your snooping.

 

TIA

 

paul

 



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Re: Zip code radius database?

2005-02-18 Thread Scott Stroz
I think you can get the DB from the US Postal Service.

I have a DB that is about a year old.  If you're interested, e-mail me off-list.


On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:32:07 -0500, Jon Block [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I need to be able to find all zip codes within x miles of a given zip code.
 What' the best (perhaps free) way to do this?
 
 Gracias!
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RE: Copying Images with cfhttp

2005-02-18 Thread Dave Watts
 I wanted to control what is happening with CF but 

You still can, if you want to. For example, you could kick off your
synchronization process from within your CF page.

 What tools would you suggest?

Robocopy, rsync.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 
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RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

2005-02-18 Thread Dave Watts
 One thing that makes life interesting in this case is that the CF root
 and the Web root will be different.

This is the case whenever you have more than one virtual web server using a
single CF server instance, though. To avoid any problems, just don't use the
root CF mapping (/) within your CFINCLUDE/CFMODULE/etc tags.

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RE: a little good-natured snooping

2005-02-18 Thread Bryan F. Hogan
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-Original Message-
From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: a little good-natured snooping

Hi all,

 

A client I had quite some time ago asked me to password protect his site - a
request made after the site was already complete.  He didn't want to pay for
a proper solution, so I basically created some a static password
cookie-based system.  Now he says his former partner gained access to his
site without a password, though I think it's much more likely that his
partner just got ahold of a password.

 

I wonder if any of you would like to try to view this page - try to get past
the password challenge without knowing the legitimate passwords.  If you can
do it I'd like to know how you did it.  (Because it's a weaker-than-normal
scheme I don't doubt it's possible, but I'm resistant to his insistence that
a joe-shmoe could hack his way in.)

 

Anyway give it a spin if you're interested:  http://www.mcglogistics.biz
http://www.mcglogistics.biz/  

 

2 more things:  Firefox pukes on the site.  (standards shmandards, I used to
say.).  Also it's not any sensitive data at all - just brochureware he
decided he needed to control access to.  So I'm not at all worried about
handing over the keys to the kingdom by inviting your snooping.

 

TIA

 

paul

 





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re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread dave
Mike,
 It's really not as hard as you think! 
 The chattyfig list really is more ppl using php with amfphp then actual MM 
remoting which is really different.
 Once you get it down, man its amazing what you can do! not to mention fast as 
hell!

 I agree with Dave Watts, get the book flash mx prfoessional 2004 for server 
geeks, friggin great book!
 I got my copy for free thru my local cfug, I just have to write a book report 
on it and send to publisher.

 communitymx.com has a few articles on it as well.
 I'd suggest the one i help Paul Newman do 
   Case Study: Using the New Flash Remoting Classes 
 the result can be seen here
 http://www.jamwerx.com/authors/authors.html

 pretty simple app, took me about 45 mintutes to do, then i gave it to paul and 
he switched the remoting classes to the newer version 2 ones.
 It's fairly simple, make a cfc that gets the cmx authors and populates a 
listbox and on click shows their info in a seperate clip and has an email 
systen via remoting and a cfc as well. Least will get you going.


From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:40 AM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever 

I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting. I have done
a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it,
but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any
resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to
work.

For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash
Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever
effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when
the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry. From
the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web it says.
 Nope. Not on my FlashMX2004Professional. No such menu item.

I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another
version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would
correlate with the tutorial.

And so it went on - The first thing we do is include the necessary
links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting. 
but no clue given about including .. WHERE?

This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in
the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the
version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional.

Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of
flash? There are so many differences between one version and another
- nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look. I've
learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless
you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer within
the frame, nothing works. So for a tutorial to be any use to
beginners, it has to give that information too. Simply saying
include the necessary links is quite useless to a beginner (well
this beginner anyway).

I once tried to get help through the flash lists, but they did the
same thing. They tried their hardest to be helpful, but because they
all know what to do, they forget to include the most basic information
that isnt obvious to people like me who havent even got the simplest
most elementary flash things to work.

Is it a vain hope that there is a really basic beginners tutorial for
flashMX2004Professional 7.2?

Is it too much to ask that tutorial writers and book authors state
what versions of things they're writing with?

-- 
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month



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Timeout Expired....

2005-02-18 Thread G . Brown
Hi,
Periodically, my web app logs are showing timeout expired errors when 
connecting to my sql server. The timeout expired errors seem to correspond to 
one error which states that the SQL server can't be found. This only happens 
for about one second, twice per day (sometimes more often), and other 
concurrent requests do not seem to time out. This is a new error that just 
started appearing about a week ago.

I've spent the past week attempting to diagnose the problem.

What I have done thus far:

- My sql server performed an average of 40 queries per second. I reduced this 
to about 18 by optimizing and removing some duplicate queries and other things 
that weren't written optimally.

- Did a dbreindex for the entire db, removed old records which were no longer 
used. Created some new indexes, which seemed to improve performance somewhat 
(average CPU is now about 6% during peak hours). Statistics are updated nightly.

- Upgraded my network card to a gigabit card, connected through a new gigabit 
switch. At one point, I assumed this must be a networking issue, but I believe 
I've ruled this out. Neither server shows any logs of any network disconnects 
at any time.

- Changed the schedule of my backups, as this seemed to be related, however, it 
doesn't correspond to the errors at this point.

- Checked for long running queries. Corrected one, which was running an average 
of 3 to 5 seconds, reduced it to a max of 500ms, average of 63ms. This is still 
the longest running query on the server, but there's really nothing that can be 
done to reduce the response time at this point (other than maybe upgrading the 
server maybe).

- I/O seems normal. CPU never peaks above 50%, and is usually averaging 6%. DB 
server has 1gig of ram, DB is 1.5gigs, but paging statistics don't seem to be 
anything significant.

The errors happen during peak times, but seem more frequent during non-peak 
hours, generally between 11pm and 1am. There is nothing scheduled during this 
time frame.

I have maintain database connection set to yes.

All of the queries that are timing out use with (nolock), so they shouldn't 
be deadlocking. Typically these queries average between 0ms and 16ms, rarely 
longer. None of the timed out queries are updates, only nolock reads.

I've covered everything that I can think of... is there anything else that I 
should be looking at?

I almost suspect that the connection between the servers is dropping, though 
there is no reason for this, and nothing that would indicate this is the case 
that I can find...

Geoff B

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re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever

2005-02-18 Thread dave
also the MM site has a few good tuts, you just gotta know where to find them
 http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/flash/data_integration.html

 or toms site
 http://www.flash-remoting.com


From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:40 AM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever 

I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting. I have done
a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it,
but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any
resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to
work.

For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash
Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever
effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when
the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry. From
the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web it says.
 Nope. Not on my FlashMX2004Professional. No such menu item.

I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another
version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would
correlate with the tutorial.

And so it went on - The first thing we do is include the necessary
links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting. 
but no clue given about including .. WHERE?

This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in
the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the
version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional.

Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of
flash? There are so many differences between one version and another
- nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look. I've
learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless
you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer within
the frame, nothing works. So for a tutorial to be any use to
beginners, it has to give that information too. Simply saying
include the necessary links is quite useless to a beginner (well
this beginner anyway).

I once tried to get help through the flash lists, but they did the
same thing. They tried their hardest to be helpful, but because they
all know what to do, they forget to include the most basic information
that isnt obvious to people like me who havent even got the simplest
most elementary flash things to work.

Is it a vain hope that there is a really basic beginners tutorial for
flashMX2004Professional 7.2?

Is it too much to ask that tutorial writers and book authors state
what versions of things they're writing with?

-- 
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
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SOT - Ecommerce

2005-02-18 Thread Chris Tilley
Hey all,

Sorry if this doesn't belong here.

I'm new to ecommerce and have helped my customer set it up.  We are
using the authorizeNet processing.  Is there someway to know all the
fees associated with ecommerce business?  We currently get invoiced
by:  Millenium Bank Services, AuthorizeNet and Concord Payment
Systems.  This is a bit confusing.  Could someone that is
knowledgeable in this area assist me?  Why do you have to deal with so
many companies to do online ecommerce?

Thanks in advance,
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RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

2005-02-18 Thread Rick Faircloth
Dave...

Does the mapping issue become a problem only when the
alternate port is used as a solution?

Rick


-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks


 One thing that makes life interesting in this case is that the CF root
 and the Web root will be different.

This is the case whenever you have more than one virtual web server using a
single CF server instance, though. To avoid any problems, just don't use the
root CF mapping (/) within your CFINCLUDE/CFMODULE/etc tags.

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Re: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

2005-02-18 Thread Douglas Knudsen
yes, but in IIS these are called sites.  So, for example you have the
Default site on port 80 which points http://your.com/ to
d:\inetpub\wwwroot\.  You can create a new site called say foo
listening on port 99 pointing http://your.com:99/ to
d:\inetpub\fooroot\


And one step further you can have a different instance of Jrun/CFMX
for each of these. :)

Doug


On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:27:21 -0500, Rick Faircloth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So, when referencing the virtual server, I'd just use a URL like
 http://66.79.46.138:85/Index.cfm because it would take the visitor
 directly inside the root directory?  Am I understanding that correctly?
 
 And I guess the key difference is in the properties for the virtual
 directory,
 where instead of port 80, port 85 would be specified for the site?  And
 port 85 would have to be opened in the router, too?
 
 Rick
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 12:26 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks
 
  So, using ports like that would mean there would be no root directory
  for the websites?  i.e., the port would act as the root for the site?
  I'm not sure I understand the actual directory structure for
  http://66.79.46.138:85/Index.cfm...
 
 No, you would still need to have separate virtual hosts for each site, and
 each virtual host would typically have its own root directory. Using
 different ports just lets you use the same IP address or DNS name to connect
 to different virtual servers.
 
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SOT - Ecommerce

2005-02-18 Thread Chris Tilley
Hey all,

Sorry if this doesn't belong here.

I'm new to ecommerce and have helped my customer set it up.  We are using the 
authorizeNet processing.  Is there someway to know all the fees associated with 
ecommerce business?  We currently get invoiced by:  Millenium Bank Services, 
AuthorizeNet and Concord Payment Systems.  This is a bit confusing.  Could 
someone that is knowledgeable in this area assist me?  Why do you have to deal 
with so many companies to do online ecommerce?

Thanks in advance,
-- 
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Tighten up this logic.

2005-02-18 Thread Ian Skinner
Would somebody (or several somebody's) mind tighting up this logic.

!--- Else If: the 1st field of the record is between 6 and 12 characters long, 
begins with 1 or 2 letters and ends with 5 to 11 digits, then the value is an 
Eye readable Codabar format. ---

cfelseif len(trim(recAry[1])) GTE 6 AND len(trim(recAry[1])) LTE 12 AND 
refind([A-Z]{1,2}[0-9]{5,11},Ucase(trim(recAry[1])))

This [d4238616c] value should not have gotten through, but it did.

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Re: SOT - Ecommerce

2005-02-18 Thread Bryan Stevenson
see below...

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
- Original Message - 
From: Chris Tilley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:53 AM
Subject: SOT - Ecommerce


 Hey all,

 Sorry if this doesn't belong here.

 I'm new to ecommerce and have helped my customer set it up.  We are using 
 the authorizeNet processing.  Is there someway to know all the fees 
 associated with ecommerce business?  We currently get invoiced by: 
 Millenium Bank Services, AuthorizeNet and Concord Payment Systems.  This 
 is a bit confusing.  Could someone that is knowledgeable in this area 
 assist me?  Why do you have to deal with so many companies to do online 
 ecommerce?

The bank takes some (usually a per Tx fee)the cardcompanies take some 
(usually a percentage of the Tx)...the card processing company takes some 
(can be  flat fee or percentage of Tx).  It does get fancier than that (like 
first x Txs cost x per Tx...then after that..less per Tx).

So there ya go...all companies involved in the Tx get a  piece of the 
action...and remember...if you buy something in the storethe store gets 
charged (by the cc company) a percentage of the Tx for the use of the card, 
and a fee to deposit the money (these are transparent to the customer). 
Online the only extra fee is the cc card processing company.

HTH

Cheers


 Thanks in advance,
 -- 
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Re: Outlook Coldfusion

2005-02-18 Thread Cutter (CF related)
Not that this will help with the original question, but has anyone 
looked at Sunbird from Mozilla? Exporting or Importing Calendar events?

Cutter

E C list wrote:
 This is a timely topic for me as well.  My collegues
 and I use outlook, but we've found ourselves
 maintaining a seperate ColdFusion based calendar. 
 What would be very nice would be a way to sync
 everyone's calendars together.  Or at very least have
 changes made on the ColdFusion calendar be somehow
 distributed out to the relevant party's Outlook
 calendars.  It should be noted that for this project,
 many of us aren't in the same office or even the same
 company.  
 
 Also, if you use the COM objects, does outlook need to
 be installed on the server too?
 
 EC
 
 -Original Message-
 From: James Holmes
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:02 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Outlook  Coldfusion
 
 
 vCal is the standard format and cflib.org has a
 function for dealing with
 it, but in Outlook all the appointment stuff will be
 obscured inside MS'
 proprietary TNEF standard - I'd be surprised if this
 were easily
 reproducible.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dawson, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, 17 February 2005 5:09 
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Outlook  Coldfusion
 
 Check out the vCal standard.  Also, if you create a
 meeting request in
 Outlook and send it to a non-Microsoft mail client,
 you might be able to
 view the headers and find the information that
 requests accepts/declines,
 etc. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ryan Mannion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:12 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Outlook  Coldfusion
 
 Does anyone know if this can be done:
 
 In outlook you can create appointments and send them
 to others for approval,
 like accept, decline etc. Is there anyway for a cfmail
 to send this type of
 appointment email? I don't think it can be that
 difficult, maybe just
 sending different types of headers?
 
 If anyone has see this done or has any advice please
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RE: Tighten up this logic.

2005-02-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
The regex alone would work if you anchor it. 
'^[a-z]{1,2}[0-9]{5,11}$'

 Would somebody (or several somebody's) mind tighting up this logic.
 
 !--- Else If: the 1st field of the record is between 6 and 12 characters
 long, begins with 1 or 2 letters and ends with 5 to 11 digits, then the
 value is an Eye readable Codabar format. ---
 
 cfelseif len(trim(recAry[1])) GTE 6 AND len(trim(recAry[1])) LTE 12 AND
 refind([A-Z]{1,2}[0-9]{5,11},Ucase(trim(recAry[1])))
 
 This [d4238616c] value should not have gotten through, but it did.
 
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RE: Tighten up this logic.

2005-02-18 Thread Adrian Lynch
That should be fine with just the addition of checking for the start and end
of line. If you excuse me for a minute while I whip out my Regular
Expressions in 10 minutes book...

 it might be this ^[A-Z]{1,2}[0-9]{5,11}$

Does that work?

Ade

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Tighten up this logic.


Would somebody (or several somebody's) mind tighting up this logic.

!--- Else If: the 1st field of the record is between 6 and 12 characters
long, begins with 1 or 2 letters and ends with 5 to 11 digits, then the
value is an Eye readable Codabar format. ---

cfelseif len(trim(recAry[1])) GTE 6 AND len(trim(recAry[1])) LTE 12 AND
refind([A-Z]{1,2}[0-9]{5,11},Ucase(trim(recAry[1])))

This [d4238616c] value should not have gotten through, but it did.

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Re: Tighten up this logic.

2005-02-18 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Michael Dinowitz wrote:
 The regex alone would work if you anchor it. 
 '^[a-z]{1,2}[0-9]{5,11}$'

That would allow AA01234567890, which is 13 characters long.

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Re: Tighten up this logic.

2005-02-18 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Ian Skinner wrote:
 Would somebody (or several somebody's) mind tighting up this logic.
 
 !--- Else If: the 1st field of the record is between 6 and 12 characters 
 long, begins with 1 or 2 letters and ends with 5 to 11 digits, then the value 
 is an Eye readable Codabar format. ---
 
 cfelseif len(trim(recAry[1])) GTE 6 AND len(trim(recAry[1])) LTE 12 AND 
 refind([A-Z]{1,2}[0-9]{5,11},Ucase(trim(recAry[1])))

cfelseif len(trim(recAry[1])) LTE 12 AND 
refind(^[A-Z]{1,2}[0-9]{5,11}$,Ucase(trim(recAry[1])))

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Re: Tighten up this logic.

2005-02-18 Thread Spike
How about this:

cfelseif reFindNoCase('^[a-z]{1,2}[0-9]{5,11}$',recAry[1])

Spike

Ian Skinner wrote:
 Would somebody (or several somebody's) mind tighting up this logic.
 
 !--- Else If: the 1st field of the record is between 6 and 12 characters 
 long, begins with 1 or 2 letters and ends with 5 to 11 digits, then the value 
 is an Eye readable Codabar format. ---
 
 cfelseif len(trim(recAry[1])) GTE 6 AND len(trim(recAry[1])) LTE 12 AND 
 refind([A-Z]{1,2}[0-9]{5,11},Ucase(trim(recAry[1])))
 
 This [d4238616c] value should not have gotten through, but it did.
 
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RE: SOT - Ecommerce

2005-02-18 Thread Ben Rogers
 I'm new to ecommerce and have helped my customer set it up.  We are using
 the authorizeNet processing.  Is there someway to know all the fees
 associated with ecommerce business?
 
 We currently get invoiced by:
 Millenium Bank Services, AuthorizeNet and Concord Payment Systems. This
 is a bit confusing.  Could someone that is knowledgeable in this area
 assist me?  Why do you have to deal with so many companies to do online
 ecommerce?

You need several components to process a transaction online. They can come
from several companies or from just one. The first thing you need is a
gateway. That's where Authorize.Net comes in. They interface with the
banking system. They deposit the money in what's commonly referred to as an
Internet merchant account.

Internet merchant accounts are accounts that are used for card-not-present
transactions. That includes any transaction you would place over the
Internet or by calling, faxing or mailing the credit card number. Internet
Merchant Accounts usually take a fee per transaction. This is on top of the
fee that the credit card company is taking.

Finally, you need a regular old bank account like a business checking
account. Usually, the one you have with your local bank will be enough. This
is where the money ends up. They, of course, charge their own set of fees.
These vary quite a bit from bank to bank and depending on the type of
account you have.

Just did a quick search and found this page. It looks like it covers this in
a bit more detail:

  http://www.tamingthebeast.net/articles2/back-end-ecommerce.htm

Ben Rogers
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Re: SOT - Ecommerce

2005-02-18 Thread Chris Tilley
Bryan or anyone else have any recommendations of a good company to
handle all this with minimal cost?  I want to do some comparisons.  We
selected Millenium only because of referral and I really don't know if
we are getting a deal (avg fees) or getting taken for a ride?

Chris


On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:58:55 -0800, Bryan Stevenson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 see below...
 
 Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
 VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
 Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
 phone: 250.480.0642
 fax: 250.480.1264
 cell: 250.920.8830
 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 web: www.electricedgesystems.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Chris Tilley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:53 AM
 Subject: SOT - Ecommerce
 
  Hey all,
 
  Sorry if this doesn't belong here.
 
  I'm new to ecommerce and have helped my customer set it up.  We are using
  the authorizeNet processing.  Is there someway to know all the fees
  associated with ecommerce business?  We currently get invoiced by:
  Millenium Bank Services, AuthorizeNet and Concord Payment Systems.  This
  is a bit confusing.  Could someone that is knowledgeable in this area
  assist me?  Why do you have to deal with so many companies to do online
  ecommerce?
 
 The bank takes some (usually a per Tx fee)the cardcompanies take some
 (usually a percentage of the Tx)...the card processing company takes some
 (can be  flat fee or percentage of Tx).  It does get fancier than that (like
 first x Txs cost x per Tx...then after that..less per Tx).
 
 So there ya go...all companies involved in the Tx get a  piece of the
 action...and remember...if you buy something in the storethe store gets
 charged (by the cc company) a percentage of the Tx for the use of the card,
 and a fee to deposit the money (these are transparent to the customer).
 Online the only extra fee is the cc card processing company.
 
 HTH
 
 Cheers
 
 
  Thanks in advance,
  --
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CFGRID always allows column sort

2005-02-18 Thread Brendan OHara
 Has anyone gotten sort=no to work in a flash CFGRID ?

I can do this:

onchange=MyGrid.sortableColumns=false;

This stops sort AFTER they select a row but not before.

Brendan

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Re: SOT - Ecommerce

2005-02-18 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Hey Chris,

I'm in Canadaand any Canadian customers we do work for use Canadian 
processors (and there are some significant differnces between the Canadian 
and US banking system and features available for online card processing). 
It's also usually our clinets that find the best deal after we educate them 
on what's involved.

So I won't be much help to you on that front.  I can say that I did have a 
horrible experience with Authorize.Net and as a result will never 
use/recommend them (but many others on this list and elsewhere have had far 
better experiences than I).

Cheers

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com 


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