Looking for Los Angeles area Cold Fusion user's group

[Reuben King]

I've scoured my web search engines but came up with
diddly..  Anyone know of an LA CFUG?

TIA,
-RK

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Is there a replacement for Cold Fusion Studio?

[Reuben King]

You know, I really used to love CF Studio.  Especially
when it was HomeSite 
and before Allaire bought it out..  Ever since then,
it has been my personal 
opinion that the quality in this product has slipped
dramatically.  It's 
quite buggy on any system that I've tried it on..
Annoying UI behavior 
mostly.

It really hasn't evolved THAT much since the humble
days of HomeSite yet it's 
now incredibly bloated and did I mention buggy?

I do like the built in property dialogues for editing
various CF commands.. 
it always helps when I'm dealing with that obscure
command I can't quite 
remember the syntax for but am too lazy to dig up the
docs.

So-- where's a girl to look?  What about Dreamweaver
Ultradev?  Is it a 
qualified replacement for CF Studio?

Thanks,
-RK


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Question about OLE-DB -- How to set up a SQL Server 7 database connection?

[Reuben King]

I'm mystified at how to go about setting up a native
connection to SQL  Server 7 databases using OLE-DB
datasources.  I've looked at all the docs I could find
but the information available to me thus far is sparse
and I'm left perplexed.  Can someone give me a hand? 
My SQL Server's name is "warlock" and the database is
"db_dev".  My security is set up so that the CF
service logs on as the same account that SQL server
uses for database security.  

So, please help:  What should I fill in "provider",
"server", and "default database" fields to get it to
work?  All my attempts at guessing thus far have
resulted in failure.

Thanks in advance,
-RK


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Programatically setting search path for custom tags

[Reuben King]

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I have been trying to find a good solution to this problem for years... Once
again, I am noodling over it.

I have a development server which multiple developers use. Each developer
has their own directory and we use Visual Source Safe. This way, developers
check in and out the files for the application we are all working on and use
their app server directory as their working directory. Finally, there is a
seperate directory for daily "builds" which we can show and tell.

This application uses custom tags heavily. Now, the way CF finds its custom
tags is either in the current directory of the calling template, or in the
directory specified in
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Allaire\ColdFusion\CurrentVersion\CustomTags\CFM
LTagSearchPath

This is a problem. Either I have to organize all my CF files into one
directory, which sucks since this app is quite big, or I lose code
portability and version control by making all developers put their custom
tags in D:\CFUSION\CustomTags.

The question: IS THERE A WAY in an application.cfm file to set the custom
tag search path local to only the calling template? If I have directories
D:\Web_Root\rking\ and D:\Web_Root\yfeng, and each has an application.cfm
file (for the same app, just different working directories), then I want
each one to have ./customtags subdirectory, so that any template executed in
D:\Web_Root\rking would look first in D:\Web_Root\rking\customtags for a
custom tag if called and likewise in D:\Web_Root\yfeng would look in
D:\Web_Root\yfeng\customtags for a custom tag if called from within that
directory scope.

If only there were a CF variable I could set!

Thanks in advance for any assistance!

-RK




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RE: Security holes revisited -- reward offered

[Reuben King]

Agreed.. boss sounds like an idiot.

1) Cover up the traditional security holes -- FTP, telnet..  Make sure that
only specific accounts, if any, have access to your CF directory.

2) Make sure that all IIS hotfixes and NT service packs are installed.

3) Like that other guy said -- chances are he's going to try and exploit his
relationship to your boss' daughter to get at a password.  Perhaps he has
access to your boss' machine at home.

4) Set up some anti-hacker counter measures within CF.  Track bad logon
attempts for a particular account -- when consecutive password failures
reach a certain point, lock the account.  You can also track based on the
CGI.REMOTE_ADDR header.  Consecutive failed logons from a single IP .. block
it for x minutes.

5) You got a firewall? Use it.

6) Any of your users who use stupid passwords (like their name, "password",
etc) are definitely a risk.  If your passwords are stored in a database, do
a "select count(*),password from users group by password" (modify as needed)
to see if there are some particuarly generic passwords everyone is using.

Security is security.  The openings hackers typically exploit are 99% of the
time general failures in your security infrastructure.

This guy sounds like a retard, though.  If I were you, I'd have fun toying
with his tiny brain.  You can do a reverse lookup on his IP address and
alert him "The FBI has been notified of unauthorized entry attempts
originating from PPP30150.01.ix.netcom.com" or other such silly messages
that might make a newbie get a little sweaty. :-)

> -Original Message-
> From: Duane Boudreau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 1:07 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Security holes revisited -- reward offered
>
>
> Nick,
>
> If your boss was willing to do this, I'd seriously consider quitting if I
> were you. There are tones of jobs out there.
>
> Duane
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nick Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 11:44 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Security holes revisited -- reward offered
>
>
> Ok, fellow Listees, here's the deal...
>
>  My boss's daughter has a boyfriend.. (can you smell the trouble
> already???).  He is bent out of shape over the fact that I did
> not recommend
> that we hire him (I interviewed him and gave his skill sets an honest,
> thorough exam).  He is good at A/V stuff, but his web experience/database
> experience is null.  Anyway, back to the situation..  He has convinced
> the boss to pay him 2 grand to attempt to hack the system I built.  He
> claims to be a super hacker, blah, blah, blah.  I am not too
> confident that
> he can do it, but there is a small chance
>
> Multiple minds are better than one.  I have gone over and over
> all the stuff
> I know, but I am more than likely missing some stuff.  Anyone
> care to share
> their CF/NT/IIS security checklist or other advice?
>
> It's escalated into all-out war.  He is going to stop at nothing
> to make me
> look bad, and I will stop at nothing to prevent him from succeeding.
>
> Thanks in advance.  I will custom print 5 free T-shirts with your logo (in
> one color) on them if you give me advice that plugs up a hole
> that I didn't
> know about.
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Nick Call
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.graphixonline.com
>
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RE: Security holes revisited -- reward offered

[Reuben King]

Good lord.

If your site is that open and you're the webmaster, you deserve to be hacked
and don't whine when you get your butt burned.  This is my opinion, at
least.

-R

> -Original Message-
> From: John N Westerlund [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 2:02 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Security holes revisited -- reward offered
>
>
> graphixonline.com
> ip: 166.70.129.232
>
> I was able to ftp to it, enter,
> download index.htm
> upload test.doc
>
> Good thing that's not the ftp for the corporate site.
>
> there is also another dns server for graphixonline.com
> you'd need some other toys to fully see all the open ftp ports, etc.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Fred Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 2:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Security holes revisited -- reward offered
>
>
> 2 grand compared to 5 custom t-shirts, hmmm.
>
> Where is the site or is it the one in your SIG?
>
> Fred
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Nick Call" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 10:44 AM
> Subject: Security holes revisited -- reward offered
>
>
> > Ok, fellow Listees, here's the deal...
> >
> >  My boss's daughter has a boyfriend.. (can you smell the trouble
> > already???).  He is bent out of shape over the fact that I did not
> recommend
> > that we hire him (I interviewed him and gave his skill sets an honest,
> > thorough exam).  He is good at A/V stuff, but his web
> experience/database
> > experience is null.  Anyway, back to the situation..  He
> has convinced
> > the boss to pay him 2 grand to attempt to hack the system I built.  He
> > claims to be a super hacker, blah, blah, blah.  I am not too confident
> that
> > he can do it, but there is a small chance
> >
> > Multiple minds are better than one.  I have gone over and over all the
> stuff
> > I know, but I am more than likely missing some stuff.  Anyone care to
> share
> > their CF/NT/IIS security checklist or other advice?
> >
> > It's escalated into all-out war.  He is going to stop at nothing to make
> me
> > look bad, and I will stop at nothing to prevent him from succeeding.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.  I will custom print 5 free T-shirts with
> your logo (in
> > one color) on them if you give me advice that plugs up a hole that I
> didn't
> > know about.
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Nick Call
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.graphixonline.com
> >
> >
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RE: Programatically setting search path for custom tags

[Reuben King]

Thanks for the suggestion.  This is the way I've been doing it, but it
breaks code portability.  I want the root of the application to be known
from where the application.cfm file resides (I can find this out by doing
some recursive CFDIRECTORY trickery), and not be hardcoding in something
like this.

Thanks anyway,
-R

> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 2:05 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Programatically setting search path for custom tags
>
>
> You can't do it using the CF_ notation for custom tags, but you can if you
> use CFMODULE. The name attribute of CFMODULE uses the custom tags
> subdirectory as its root, then uses dot notation to specify
> subdirectories.
>
> For example, I have a custom tag called wrap.cfm stored in the custom tags
> directory (D:\CFUSION\CustomTags).  By default, I could call it using
> . Alternatively,  I could put a
> subdirectory for rking and yfeng in the custom tag directory -
> D:\CFUSION\CustomTags\rking and D:\CFUSION\CustomTags\yfeng.  I could call
> these custom tags using the dot notation :  TEXT="#string#">.
>
> In the Application.cfm, you could set a variable (CFSET
> CustomTags="rking.")
> to denote the developers subdirectory, can call custom tags like  NAME="#CustomTags#wrap" TEXT="#string#">.
>
> There is an interesting article about this in the April edition of CFDJ.
>
> Chris Evans
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CF Studio 4.5a -- can't double-click to select a word?

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Just started using CF Studio 4.5a..  I am highly annoyed at how double
clicking on a word doesn't select the whole word -- just everything to the
left of the cursor and to the beginning of the word.  Does anyone else
experience this?

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RE: Session Variables

[Reuben King]

Session variables use cookies or CFID/CFTOKEN present in the URL.  IP addy's
are not used, so firewall or no makes no difference.

HTH,
-R

> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Session Variables
>
>
>   How do Session Varibales differentiate between people
> behind a fiewall?
>
>
> Robert Everland III
> Network Administrator
> Orlando.com
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RE: No Nulls or Decimals for Numbers?

[Reuben King]

Check your table definitions in Access.. Access defaults "Allow Zero Length"
to "No" for the columns you add. Change this to "Yes" for each column and
hopefully that'll fix it.


> -Original Message-
> From: Stuart Duncan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 6:02 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: No Nulls or Decimals for Numbers?
>
>
> Hey all, this is probably a bit of a beginner question... but where else
> should I ask right?
>
> I have a database (in Access) that I'm trying to put a bunch of prices
> into. And when I set the fields as integers, long integers,etc it
> says that
> they can't be null and I don't want to put a 0 in there. Also
> they can't be
> made into decimals either.
>
> The Dollar format just doesn't work, because it automatically
> puts in those
> dollar signs and throws everything off. Almost everything other than text
> wouldn't allow a null value.
>
> I need them as number values, so I can do the math with them.
>
> In the insert query though, if the number is blank, it doesn't
> put anything
> there, and I get to commas together and an error.
>
> Any help would be appreciated!
>
> Stuart.
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RE: Security holes revisited -- reward offered

[Reuben King]

I agree. The fact that this kid so arrogantly made this "wager" highly
suggests to me that the idjit had access to a machine, installed something
ala Back Orifice and is thinking he's oh-so-clever and this'll be an easy 2
grand.  Judging by the poster's statement that he had no web or programming
exp., this would most likely be the case (in my experience).

-R

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 10:09 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Security holes revisited -- reward offered
>
>
> > I disagree (somewhat).  While I think the boss is throwing
> > money away if he paid before success, lots of highly successful
> > companies pay "Tiger Teams" to break into their networks. It's
> > a VERY lucrative talent if you can do it.
>
> While it's true that there are network security consultants who will break
> in to demonstrate security flaws, this isn't what's being done here. There
> are several serious issues being ignored when you make this comparison.
>
> If you hire a company to test your security, and they're
> qualified, you and
> they will have lots of legal hurdles to cross. For example, you probably
> wouldn't want to test your production system directly - there might be
> accidental damage, or a service outage as a result. You'd need
> full logging
> of everything they tried. You'd need them to sign non-disclosure
> agreements,
> and they'd need you to sign theirs as well. You'd want background on their
> employees. In short, there are lots of i's to dot and t's to cross. A
> security audit is a non-trivial process, and an on-going one -
> it's not done
> when the server is compromised and the problem is fixed.
>
> In this case, some guy is going to find some other guy to hack
> the site. Who
> knows what this other guy is going to do? Will he leave a message on it
> saying it's "owned"? While it's running and presumably fulfilling some
> important business function? Will this other guy leave a rootkit on it, so
> that when this is all over, he can stash a couple hundred Mbs of porn and
> warez there without your knowledge, or use it as a platform to
> attack other
> machines? Will other parts of the network be compromised? Who will pay for
> the outage when he causes a buffer overflow to crash a service and execute
> his little code snippet, and the machine doesn't restart? There are many
> more problems than these.
>
> If I were put in the position that Nick's boss put him in, I'd
> give the boss
> this full warning. If the boss wants a security audit, hire the pros, and
> don't get the boss's girlfriend's boyfriend's college buddy to try first.
>
> > What's worse is these teams usually get in. Many sites are built on
> > servers that aren't properly secured. Whether it's because they were
> > in a hurry or just learned HTML and now CFML and don't have time to
> > learn system security, the doors are there.  You'll also be amazed how
> > many employees will actually give things out over the phone. It's scary.
>
> These teams will always "usually get in". It is practically impossible to
> completely secure a computer on a network. Given enough time,
> resources, and
> patience, any server is vulnerable. The only secure computer is the one
> that's turned off, put into a big iron box, and dropped to the
> bottom of the
> ocean.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> voice: (202) 797-5496
> fax: (202) 797-5444
>
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CF NNTP server?

[Reuben King]

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This mailing list is getting out of hand.  Is there an NNTP server out there
running a CF support group?  I might just put one up myself if there isn't..
NNTP and a good newsreader is far superior to email lists when it gets to be
this sort of volume (almost 200 messages per day!)

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RE: CF NNTP server?

[Reuben King]

In article <004501bf9f11$7aa72ce0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Fuseware hosts a mirrored copy of this list on our news server at
> news://fusewre.com/cf-talk

Wow.  This kicks ass.   It's like a listserver but BETTER.  Wahoo!

Now I don't have to unsubscribe/resubscribe to the mailing list all the 
time when I go into lurk mode.  And using Gravity beats the heck out of 
Outlook for navigating through hundreds of posts..

You are awesome!!

-R
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HTML question about spacer GIF's

[Reuben King]

At the risk of sounding like I'm trolling, I really am starting to think 
Navigator sucks.  As far as development goes, IE has always treated me 
better.

Here's my question:  I use transparent spacer GIF's to assist in 
positioning stuff on my page.  They work fine in IE, but in Netscrape it 
insists on putting this stupid 3D bevel around them for some bizarre 
reason.  I've tried setting border="0" in the img tag but this has no 
effect.  Anyone else run into this problem?

Here's the code where I'm trying to make this work:






... that was the way it worked fine in IE.. but NS ignored it as it 
wanted something inside the  tags.  ($#*@!) I could use   but 
this will make the  as high as the base font size of the page.. no 
good.  So, I tried using the image spacer as such:


   

  


I wish I could give a URL where this stuff is at, but alas I'm inside a 
firewall.

TIA for any assistance!

(By the way -- are any other CF developers out there frustrated with the 
suck factor of Netscape?  I know IE has its problems, but as far as 
developing for it, it is my opinion that it is superior. (I guess I just 
damned my soul saying that ))
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Re: submit a form using img?

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, =?iso-8859-1?q?
Ins=20Ins?= ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, 
wrote:
> Hi,I want to submit a form by using img.But the name
> fileds do not pass to the action page:
> 
> 
> 
>  src="back.gif" alt="back">
> 
>  alt="continue" VALUE="continue">
> 
> 
> In the next actionpage.cfm, I check 
> isDefined("back")
> and isDefined("continue")
> all get 'NO',not exsist.
> 
> How to make it work?
> 
> Ins

Try scoping your variables properly and see if it fixes it.. i.e, use 
"isDefined('form.back')"

Also, if there is no value in the "back" field, it will not be passed at 
all when submitted.  This is a feature. 
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Re: Oracle 8i via ODBC - first query always 350ms?

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stephen Garrett 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> 
> It sounds like the "maintain DB connection" is not really working.
> Are you using the Oracle ODBC drivers, or M$?? I had better luck
> with the Oracle Drivers.
> 
> You also may need to reboot to get the "maintain connections" thing
> to work.
> 
> There is also a DB timeout period to look at (I am using Ent) that
> may be affecting you.

I would also suggest checking with your Oracle DBA.. This sounds like an 
Oracle-side issue.
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Re: submit a form using img?

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, =?iso-8859-1?q?
Ins=20Ins?= ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, 
wrote:
> Hi,I want to submit a form by using img.But the name
> fileds do not pass to the action page:
> 
> 
> 
>  src="back.gif" alt="back">
> 
>  alt="continue" VALUE="continue">
> 
> 
> In the next actionpage.cfm, I check 
> isDefined("back")
> and isDefined("continue")
> all get 'NO',not exsist.
> 
> How to make it work?

Sorry, I should have actually read your code before replying.

 fields do NOT get passed.  Use something like 
 and use Javascript in the  along the lines of 
"onClick="document.theForm.direction.value='back'" (or forward)

HTH
-R
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Annoying CF Studio 4.5a Interface problems

[Reuben King]

I have Win 2000 on a Compaq Armada 1750.. 

In CF Studio 4.5a (also tried 4.5.1rc2) the interface with the mouse 
pointer acts quite hokey when trying to select text.  Double clicking on 
a word doesn't select the word like normal -- it selects everything to 
the left of the cursor and to the beginning of the word.  Clicking 
inside a selected block doesn't de-select the block, it goes to drag-
and-drop.. The mouse wheel doesn't work inside CF Studio.. Other such 
annoying behavior.

The mouse works great in every other app on the system, its just CF 
Studio that acts like this.

These may seem like minor whines but they can become quite irritating 
when working full time inside CF Studio.

Anyone else experience strange behavior along these lines?

TIA,
-R
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Re: HTML question about spacer GIF's

[Reuben King]

In <01ca01bf9ff8$457ba4a0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dave Hannum 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Double check that the path to the image is correct and that the image act=
> ually does exist.  Netscape has a habit of putting the
> dropshadow box on small images where IE will ignore it.  I"ve seen this m=
> any times too!

Bingo... That was the prob.  THANKS!

-R
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RE: HTML question about spacer GIF's

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Holger Lockertsen 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Dave.
> 
> He HAS the attribute "border=0" in the tag. That's the problem.
> 
> Question is: Does Reuben have a stylesheet that defines a border for the
> TD-tag or even the IMG-tag?

No.. No border attributes in any of my stylesheet classes.

> On MSIE vs NS: Yes oh yes. I tear my hair off over Netscape at times (that's
> why I shave my head)... Someone know how NS5 will be different from NS 4.x?
> Will the CSS-implementation be better? Will the pixel-difference be gone?
> Have you checked out Mozilla?

Mozilla?  Isn't that Netscape?  I suppose it isn't.. No, I haven't 
checked it out. 

> 
> rgds
> 
> 
> * Holger Lockertsen, Solutions Developer, Horisont Information Systems AS
> * Nedre Slottsgate 5, N-0157 OSLO, Noreg/Norway
> * 23 31 03 04 / 91 83 20 51
> * [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.horisont.no/
> 
> NB! Horisont har fått nye nummer, og mitt INTERNNUMMER er: 23 31 03 04
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Hannum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 7:58 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: HTML question about spacer GIF's
> 
> 
> You MUST have the attribute BORDER="0" in your  tag.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> =
> "Technology" is stuff that was invented after
> you were born.
> 
> David Hannum
> Web Analyst/Programmer
> Ohio University
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (740) 597-2524
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Reuben King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Newsgroups: cf-talk
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 11:39 AM
> Subject: HTML question about spacer GIF's
> 
> 
> At the risk of sounding like I'm trolling, I really am starting to think
> Navigator sucks.  As far as development goes, IE has always treated me
> better.
> 
> Here's my question:  I use transparent spacer GIF's to assist in
> positioning stuff on my page.  They work fine in IE, but in Netscrape it
> insists on putting this stupid 3D bevel around them for some bizarre
> reason.  I've tried setting border="0" in the img tag but this has no
> effect.  Anyone else run into this problem?
> 
> Here's the code where I'm trying to make this work:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  that was the way it worked fine in IE.. but NS ignored it as it
> wanted something inside the  tags.  ($#*@!) I could use   but
> this will make the  as high as the base font size of the page.. no
> good.  So, I tried using the image spacer as such:
> 
> 
>   
>  width="1" height="#attributes.height#" border="0">
>   
> 
> 
> I wish I could give a URL where this stuff is at, but alas I'm inside a
> firewall.
> 
> TIA for any assistance!
> 
> (By the way -- are any other CF developers out there frustrated with the
> suck factor of Netscape?  I know IE has its problems, but as far as
> developing for it, it is my opinion that it is superior. (I guess I just
> damned my soul saying that ))
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CF 4.5 hangs when doing a select on an Oracle 8i CLOB column

[Reuben King]

Anyone out there used CF 4.5 to do a select on a CLOB datatype column in 
Oracle 8i?  It invariably hangs when I try to do it... augh!

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Re: CF 4.5 hangs when doing a select on an Oracle 8i CLOB column

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Reuben King 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Anyone out there used CF 4.5 to do a select on a CLOB datatype column in 
> Oracle 8i?  It invariably hangs when I try to do it... augh!
> 
> 

I don't know when CF Enterprise 4.5.1 was released .. But I just 
downloaded and installed it and the problem is fixed!!  In the release 
notes, this is not listed as a fix, so I'm not sure if it was a fix or 
if the updater might have just fixed some foul registry setting or 
something.  Whatever!  IT WORKS!!!
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Re: Annoying CF Studio 4.5a Interface problems

[Reuben King]

Hi Mike,

I have a docking station and use a regular Logitech wheel mouse (MS 
Wheel mouse compatible).  The drivers are the beta Touchpad drivers for 
Win2000 .. yeah, yeah, I know.. BETA.. That's all that's currently 
available right now, tho. :(

I just noticed on the Allaire site that a release 4.5.1 update for CF 
Studio is out.. downloading it currently.  Hopefully this will make me a 
happy man!

Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out why the %@$% CF 4.5 is dying when I 
try to do a select on a CLOB column...

Thanks,
-R

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a 
fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Hello Reuben,
> 
> Thursday, Thursday, April 06, 2000, you wrote to me:
> 
> RK> I have Win 2000 on a Compaq Armada 1750.. 
> I just recieved a Compaq Presario 1800 with Windows 2000
> 
> RK> In CF Studio 4.5a (also tried 4.5.1rc2)
> Currently using 4.5a
> 
> What mouse are you using? Touch pad?
>  I use a Logitech Mouse Man Plus with a wheel, I do not use the
>  Touch Pad
> RK> Double clicking on a word doesn't select the word like normal -- it selects 
>everything to
> RK> the left of the cursor and to the beginning of the word.
>Always has worked for me this way (I like it), from Studio 3 I believe -
>but I know 4 work like this
> 
> RK>  The mouse wheel doesn't work inside CF Studio.. Other such
> RK> annoying behavior.
> My logitech works great in Studio
> 
> RK> The mouse works great in every other app on the system, its just CF 
> RK> Studio that acts like this.
> Maybe look at the driver for the mouse
> 
> RK> These may seem like minor whines but they can become quite irritating 
> RK> when working full time inside CF Studio.
>  I know I would hate it.
> 
> 
> 
>  Thanks,
>  Mike Hughes
>  Web Applications Developer 
>  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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RE: OT PCAnywhere on Port???

[Reuben King]

In <000101bf9ffb$ff454280$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marcus 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> DQo+IEFueW9uZSBrbm93IHdoYXQgcG9ydCBQQ0FueXdoZXJlIGxpc3RlbnMgb24/DQo+IA0KPiBO
> aWNrDQoNCnZlcnNpb24gLSAyLjANClRDUCAoZGF0YSkgcG9ydCAtIDY1MzAxDQpVRFAgcG9ydCAt
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I agree with this post and couldn't have said it better myself.
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Re: Administrator PW

[Reuben King]

In <023b01bfa003$bd30c7e0$a37afea9@0015796783>, Erika Foster 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> 
> 
> How do you retrieve the Admin password for CF Server?
> 
> My client has completely forgot what he set up his password as.  Do we need
> to completely uninstall and re-install?
> 
> 

It's encrypted in the registry.. I'm afraid you need to reinstall.

-R
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Re: Parsing NNTP dates?

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Reuben King 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> ParseDateTime() is choking on this..  NNTP posts have a date/time in the 
> format of "Mon Mar 13 21:19:03 CST 2000" .. Anyone know of a quick and 
> dirty way to get this into a CF date/time object?
> 
> TIA,
> -R

To make matters worse, it appears that the Date: header in NNTP posts 
does not follow a strict format .. it varies widely.

Any suggestions highly appreciated.

-R
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Parsing NNTP dates?

[Reuben King]

ParseDateTime() is choking on this..  NNTP posts have a date/time in the 
format of "Mon Mar 13 21:19:03 CST 2000" .. Anyone know of a quick and 
dirty way to get this into a CF date/time object?

TIA,
-R
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RE: Annoying CF Studio 4.5a Interface problems

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
Mack, Chris R ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, 
wrote:
> Where are the full versions?  The forums only mention RCs still.

Go to www.allaire.com and go into the downloads section under product 
updates.  That's where I found 'em.

-R
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Re: Oracle CLOB Data Type

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Benjamin Smedberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a 
fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> > =A0I can't figure out how to select=A0the CLOB data type =
> > using=A0CFQUERY from an
> > Oracle database and display it in a table using CFOUTPUT.=A0 Does =
> > anyone have
> > the solution?=A0
> 
> There is not an easy solution...CF does not (yet) support LOB datatypes. But
> I wrote a tag that will do this for Oracle8 CLOBs and BLOBs. If you want it,
> email me off-list. And don't send HTML email, please

Allaire claims support for large text objects since 4.x according to the 
readme's I've seen on the subject.  However, as I said, with 4.5 CF hung 
whenever it tried to do a select with a clob column in it.  But, as luck 
would have it, just last week Allaire released the 4.5.1 server update 
and after installing this, my problems went away entirely.

And for anyone who hasn't used the Intermedia Text engine built into 
Oracle 8i, I _highly_ recommend it.  It beats the crap out of the verity 
implementation inside CF, is just as (if not more) functional as the 
$200k+ full VDK licensing from Verity, and is built into every license 
of Oracle 8i.  I've only been using it for about 2 weeks now, but so far 
everything I've seen of it has knocked my socks off!
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Online credit card processing in CF?

[Reuben King]

You know, I've been doing full time CF development since the early days 
of 2.0..  And up till now have never had any need to do online credit 
card validation and electronic fund transferring... Kind of says a lot 
about the industry we're in..   Anyway-- Any suggestions?  I'd like 
something cheap and fairly vanillia -- just for a small time business-
to-consumer site I'm building.

Thanks,
-RK
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Re: Any good way to maintain server variables?

[Reuben King]

In <4EC96B864C1CD211BBC500805FE6FDBC02B48B9E@TCEXCH1>, Thompson, Ryan K 
(James Tower) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, 
wrote:
> We are implementing a clustering solution that can do sticky session but it
> needs a unique value 
> it either a cookie variable or URL variable per server. Rather that changing
> the code on each server I'd like to use 
> a variable that would be unique on each server. Does anyone know of a good
> way to set and maintain a 
> server or cgi variable to do this?

Fine, so create a unique cookie for each server and have a many-to-many 
setup in your database reconciling those unique keys to whatever session 
settings you'd like to store.  I suggest you make your unique server 
cookies very unique and not just an incrementing serial number.

> The domain name will not change in the HTTP header so we can't use that. I
> thought of putting a browser in the startup 
> of each server to hit a page but when CF restarts that is gone. A scheduled
> task every minute but that may not be fast enough.

You can't create a unique cookie name for each server?  What about a 
single cookie that stores each of the server's unique keys in a text 
block that is parsed out by each server programmatically?  

> 
> Ryan Thompson
> James Tower Media Design 
> Websites, Multimedia, Videos, Catalogs, e-Catalogs and more.
> http://www.jtmd.com
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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OT: Protecting email links on web pages from spam bots?

[Reuben King]

Some time ago, I heard of a way to thwart spam bots from extracting 
email addresses from web pages but I forgot.  Anyone know?

Thanks,
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Re: Protecting email links on web pages from spam bots?

[Reuben King]

Will this work for the mailto: url inside an  as well as the 
display?

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Larry C. Lyons ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit 
of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Simple instead of using [EMAIL PROTECTED], use the Character entity for
> it So in this case you'd use whatever@company.com
> 
> HTH,
> larry
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> >
> > Thanks,
> > -RK
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RE: Integer?

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of 
unbridled passion, wrote:
> Huh?  Do you mean because of the leading zero?  Most of the time computers
> can ignore that.  What else makes it not an integer?  If I write it as
> 1,234,567,890 is it an integer?
> 
> Not wanting to fight, but curious..

The previous poster is incorrect. "01234567890" is indeed an integer.  
The computer of course ignores the leading 0. CF's precision will only 
go up to  (12 digits) and then it starts using scientific 
notation.. (1.23456789012E+012).  So, if you want to handle numbers over 
a trillion precisely, you'll have to do some creative programming.

Also, beware the commas.  Strip them out before using val() or integer
().


> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 11:21 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Integer?
> 
> 
> How could a number "01234567890" be an integer? It's not even a real number!
> 
> 
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Re: sending and waiting for a file - COM object poss?

[Reuben King]

In <001e01bfa3d7$f75bade0$3d42cdc2@yoss>, Ben Lowndes 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm looking for a bit of advice here. I need to send a file across a that
> contains the contents of a CF query network and then wait for a return file
> and present the contents of this file to the users browser.
> 
> No problem with writing the file, simply use CFFILE. The thing is how can I
> get it to send it across the network, then wait for the response. My first
> instinct is that CF probably isn't the appropriate tool for this kind of a
> job as it would have to sit in a loop waiting for a file to read whilst
> maintaining a browser connection. So I thought maybe a COM object which CF
> can communicate with would be better, but I know nothing about COM objects -
> any advice.
> 
> Alternatively I thought about writing a file which refreshes itself every 5
> seconds, displaying a please wait message to the user and checks the
> directory for the file, if it does this 10 times it displays an error to the
> user. Is there a better way to do this??

Barring the restrictions of any RequestTimeout settings you might have, 
I do not see why you cannot do this within a CFLOOP using either CFHTTP 
or CFFTP tags.

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Re: Source Control

[Reuben King]

In <058501bfa3e4$872b8330$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg Czechowicz 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> We are currently using Visual Source Safe to implement source control on our
> site. Could someone please email me their prior experiences regarding source
> control. We currently use Sourcesafe and frankly it stinks.

I've used PVCS in the past.. I think SourceSafe is cool in the fact that 
it integrates well with CF Studio.  I've yet to see a killer source 
control system.. they all have crappy interfaces, imo.


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RE: Integer?

[Reuben King]

I have CF 4.5.1 and this statement simply isn't true.  IsNumeric() 
returns a true no matter how many 0's prepend a number, as long as the 
number is a number.  Maybe in earlier versions of CF it returned a 
false, but if it did I am not aware of it.


In <D09A1A0FB7FDD211A92D00805FBBD8A1A578A3@CLTNTSXCHANGE>, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, 
wrote:
> An integer is a range of "real numbers", usually with a limit around 999
> million or so (depends on the language, C defines a smallint as 1-37,000 for
> example.) I can't find any documentation stating ColdFusion's limits with
> integers. ColdFusion doesn't see a number with a leading 0 as a number, thus
> it can't be an integer...
> 
> Anyone know what the maximum size for an integer in CF is?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 12:15 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Integer?
> 
> 
> Huh?  Do you mean because of the leading zero?  Most of the time computers
> can ignore that.  What else makes it not an integer?  If I write it as
> 1,234,567,890 is it an integer?
> 
> Not wanting to fight, but curious..
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 11:21 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Integer?
> 
> 
> How could a number "01234567890" be an integer? It's not even a real number!
> 
> 
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Re: Is 4.5.1 Solid

[Reuben King]

WBB,

Your trashing of AOL rather bothers me.  AOL is just an ISP like any 
other and if your application breaks when someone from AOL attempts to 
use it, then I would suggest the problem lies flatly on your end for 
your failure to support even the most basic of cross-browser 
compatibilities.

Furthermore, your insinuation that AOL'ers are all stupid, silly, 
ignorant, and what-not is way off base.  AOL has its share of newbies, 
but lots of professionals use it too.  

AOL has millions of users.  This is quite a large target customer base.  
I suggest you show them a bit more respect.

Specific notes on your post follow:

In <036c01bfa3f1$e3fcbae0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, WBB ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a 
fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
[snip]
> 
> OR
> 
> AOL fixed the problem as we were installing 4.51 ;)

CFMAIL is an SMTP interface for CF on the server side.  How does it have 
anything to do whatsoever with AOL?

> > accommodates the problems on AOL's end. Do you honestly want Allaire to
> get
> > accounts with every major ISP so they can check to see if the ISP's stupid
> > procedures mess up the sites? I used to work at a hosting company and the
> 
> Of course not...but I would think that they would test it on the LARGEST
> modem community in the world...duh!

Why?  CF is a server-extension and has nothing to do with browsers or 
ISP's.


> > focus was on video hosting. Every time we had a broadcast, we would get
> > inundated with tech support calls from AOL users asking us why our site
> was
> > broken. You can't imagine how many times I had to explain to people
> exactly
> > why they needed to get a real ISP. AOL uses cached proxy servers and it is
> > bad bad bad.
> 
> I also do tech support and know just how lame AOL users can be and have used
> that same explaination as you did ;), however, that doesn't cover the fact
> that submit buttons or graphics buttons or verity searches wouldn't work
> using an AOL account until we upgraded to 4.51 (they worked fine with 1.5,
> 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.1, 4.0 and 4.1) from 4.5

Sounds to me like a problem with your developer's skillset or lack 
thereof.  


> > The really funny calls were the AOL users who said "What do you mean you
> > don't do tech support for AOL? You're the Internet, right?"
> >
> 
> I understand...we have several hundred customers that use our lines to
> connect to their AOL accounts and it's tough to explain to them why their
> AOL mail doesn't work ;)

AOL works fine over TCP/IP.  

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Re: CFmail and CRLF!!!

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jennifer 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> At 11:29 AM 4/11/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >I am using Que Mail and Cf 4.5 for linux. If I send a mail message with
> >more than one line my mail server will not send it because it is sending
> >bare LF.
> >
> >read: http://cr.yp.to/docs/smtplf.html
> >
> >After an attempt to send a message with a bare LF, Cfmail will no longer
> >even try to send mail until the service is restated. Has anyone experienced
> >this before? Is there a fix?? Grr
> 
> I'm not familiar with the problem, but if you are really running 4.5, you 
> might want to upgrade to 4.5.1, which was released late last week. If there 
> is a fix, it would probably be included.

I don't have a solution for this fellow's problem, but I should mention 
that there is no 4.5.1 update for Linux available.


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Re: Is 4.5.1 Solid

[Reuben King]

In <04c501bfa405$ebe4dee0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, WBB ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a 
fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> No Actually Reuben, unbridled passion is something you've not yet observed
> from me, yet ;)
> 
> > WBB,
> >
> > Your trashing of AOL rather bothers me.  AOL is just an ISP like any
> 
> Gee, I'm sorry...if I responded to everything that bothered me that I read
> in news groups I wouldn't have a life.

Yeah, hanging around in news groups bashing AOL is much more fulfilling, 
right?

> > other and if your application breaks when someone from AOL attempts to
> > use it, then I would suggest the problem lies flatly on your end for
> > your failure to support even the most basic of cross-browser
> > compatibilities.
> 
> I would suggest you ...uhhh...sorry, I can't say that in a public news
> group...I would suggest you read what I posted. Our sites worked  FINE with
> AOL WITH EVERY release of CF from 1.5 to 4.51 EXCEPT 4.5
> 
> So tell me, what the hell does that have to do with cross-capatablility?
> It's already been mentioned on this list more than once that it was a
> problem and that Allaire had the remedy. I simply stated that for a MAJOR
> RELEASE to not be compatible with some 20,000,000 user was crap and I still
> stand by what I believe.

Geesh.  HTTP is HTTP.  It is a very light protocol and browser software 
either is or is not HTTP compliant.  It is such a light protocol that 
there is no "95% HTTP compliant".  And if you're not HTTP compliant, the 
whole web won't work for you.

CF is an HTTP server extension.  It does everything it does internally 
and simply sends and receives data streams from the HTTP listener.

So, pray tell, HOW can your stuff not working on AOL clients have 
anything to do whatsoever with AOL?

If you were smart, you'd try to get to the bottom of the "why's" and 
quit walking around sounding like an incompetent boob giving further 
cliche to the "AOL sucks" rant.

[rest of nonsense snipped]
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Re: Is 4.5.1 Solid

[Reuben King]

By the way--

If this AOL/CF 4.5 problem is truly a problem between CF 4.5 and AOL and 
Allaire has admitted it, please post a URL so that I may eat my words.  
If I'm wrong, I'm definitely curious as to the technical details on 
this.


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OT: Web meeting scheduler

[Reuben King]

I'm too busy to write on myself.. I'm looking for a simple web based 
scheduler app that my office might use to schedule conference room time.  
We're currently using a piece of paper taped to the door.  I'm hoping 
maybe someone wrote a simple one in CF and wouldn't mind sharing the 
code..   It'd be a simple app but I'm too busy trying to make the 
$$$

TIA!
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Re: Session Variables and Multiple Browser Windows

[Reuben King]

In <004f01bfa4a0$fb577a40$3c2fa8ce@jim>, Jim McAtee 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Just wondering how (or if?) others are handling the situation where you
> want to let users open multiple instances of an application.  Are session
> variables completely out of the question for state management in this
> case?  As far as I can tell, once a session is established, that same
> session runs across all open windows of the browser.  A common scenario
> might be if a user opened two record editing windows in order to cut and
> paste data from one to the other.

You are correct -- one session for all open instances on the machine 
(unless they are open in different browser software)

> There would seem to be some potential pitfalls for developers who don't
> take into account the possibility of a user running multiple instances of
> an application.  For instance, keeping a "current record" id within a
> session variable as the user passed through several pages of an
> application.  Not something everyone might do, but very easy to imagine
> happening.

You must NEVER assume a stateful connection with HTTP!!  Never, 
ever, ever!  If you are performing a task that requires a stateful and 
sequential series of events, I might suggest looking at creating your 
own session variable management system.  

In the example of your current record ID, this is also something that I 
would keep persistent in the URL or as a hidden form field, not as a CF 
session variable.

(I never use CF's session variable functionality anyway because it's not 
scalable.  I use client variables and do the rest in my own database 
tables.)

> I don't remember seeing this discussed before, so am I missing something
> obvious?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim
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Does Cold Fusion care about dates?

[Reuben King]

CF variables are supposed to be typeless, but then there is the 
ParseDateTime() function in Cold Fusion which returns a date object from 
a string.

Are there instances where certain functions require a bonafide date 
"object"?  

The reason I ask is that Oracle always has returned its dates as strings 
to Cold Fusion.  If I want to get a full date/time, I have to do a 
to_char(col_name,'MM-DD- HH24:MI:SS') in my select statement.  
Either just the date or the whole date & time, it's still a string and 
CF stores it that way unless you do a ParseDateTime() on it.

In any date function I've used, it doesn't seem to matter whether 
ParseDateTime() is used or not around the Oracle dates...  So -- why is 
the function there in the first place?  Am I missing something?

Thanks,
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RE: Is 4.5.1 Solid

[Reuben King]

In <001801bfa4ac$5acdf340$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dave Watts 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> > If this AOL/CF 4.5 problem is truly a problem between CF 4.5
> > and AOL and Allaire has admitted it, please post a URL so that
> > I may eat my words. If I'm wrong, I'm definitely curious as to
> > the technical details on this.
> 
> I believe the cause of the problem might be with the use of the
> Page-Completion-Status header that CF 4.5 added to page output. CF 4.5
> inserted this header - sometimes several times - at the bottom of each
> response header returned by certain web servers. Here's an example:
[snip]


Okay, did I end up with pie on my face with that one or what.

I formally retract my earlier statements with my sincere apologies.

(Moral of this story: Don't argue with someone unless you're not only 
VERY SURE but very very very very very VERY sure you're right...) :-)

-R
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Re: Passing parameters over multiple forms

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bob Hill 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Hello...
> 
> I have an application where I must collect data on a number of forms, and
> then display that data on a page at the end of the process.  I then need to
> allow a user to go back and modify any of the data they've entered.
> 
> I'm looking for advice on the best way to pass the data over multiple forms.

Create yet another form with a bunch of hidden fields, use JavaScript to 
populate the hidden fields and finally a theForm.sumbit(); ..

If your forms are on multiple pages, you can do a similar technique to 
above but using a hidden frame which loads a document which stores the 
variables and then submits them.

GL,
-R
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Re: Does Cold Fusion care about dates?

[Reuben King]

In <000801bfa4d3$72169300$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Seth Petry-
Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> >CF variables are supposed to be typeless, but then there is the
> >ParseDateTime() function in Cold Fusion which returns a date object from
> >a string.
> >
> >Are there instances where certain functions require a bonafide date
> >"object"?
> 
> 
> The CF date/time functions such as DateAdd(), DateCompare(), etc all seem to
> accept either date/time objects -or- string representations of dates as
> their arguments.  Supplying these functions with string representations of
> dates doesn't seem to cause any problems (at least in my limited testing on
> CF 4.01) provided of course that the strings represent valid dates.
> 
> I would guess then that the ParseDateTime() function exists for performance
> reasons.  I can only assume that the date functions perform faster when
> supplied with actual date/time objects because they don't have to do any
> internal conversions from string objects.  This doesn't seem to be
> noticeable under normal circumstances but it might help if you had to run
> some hefty loops that performed date/time calculations.
> 
> Note that this entire theory is just that, a theory.  I could be talking
> complete nonsense here... 

I didn't even *notice* the ParseDateTime() function till about a few 
months ago.  For years, I've just been sending plain text strings into 
all the date functions in CF that I've ever needed to use..

I bet you're right, though -- performance reasons.  Now if there were 
only a way when retrieving a date column from Oracle for it to 
automatically be read by CF as a CF "date object".  Anyone know?

TIA,
-R
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Re: CF is typeless, but...?

[Reuben King]

In <011e01bfa4d8$c8ef9960$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve Reich 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Say I set a cookie
> 
> 
> 
> When I call the cookie, is the value a string or a number?

There is no string, there is no number, there is only variable.  This is 
the way, my son.

:)

Seriously-- typeless is typeless.  You could say that all variables in 
CF are strings.  Any numeric/date/etc function simply parses out the 
string into the value it wants.
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Re: CF is typeless, but...?

[Reuben King]

In <001501bfa546$4fea1d60$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve Reich 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> so which would be correct...
> 
> If...
> 
> 
> then...
> 
> 
> or...
> 

Both are correct.

However, when you use the integer (someone please correct me if I'm 
wrong) for comparisons, specifically less than or greater than, it is 
numeric.  If you use a string for a lt or gt, then the comparison is 
made alphabetically.  

Thus,  returns true where as  
returns false.


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Re: OT: Web meeting scheduler

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael C. Wilson 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Doesn't a simple one come with the install of CF Server, under example applications? 
>I beleive it is a part if the sample Intranet...

Indeed you are correct... yay! code to leech! :-)

Thanks!
-R
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Re: How do you end a Session????

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian  Ingram 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> I'm trying to use session variables for unique users in my CF program, but when i 
>change users the session doesnt end.
> 
> 1) What is the code to end a session?
> 
> 2) Then, how would i incorporate the code to end the session by pressing a "log off" 
>button?
> 


You might store your user ID in a session variable and change that 
variable when people log on and off... Logging off would set it to 
something like "none".  In application.cfm, you can test the value of 
this var to see who the person is or if it is "none", force them to log 
on.

HTH,
-R
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CFLDAP: No Such Object error... help!

[Reuben King]

I try to execute this code:


and get:

Error Diagnostic Information
CFLDAP

No such object

The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier 
of (CFLDAP), occupying document position (15:2) to (20:34) in the 
template file D:\Web Root\rking\ldap_test\ldap_test.cfm.




If I replace "server" with "ldap.bigfoot.com", it works fine.  
sc-mail.sbti.com IS an ldap server and it works fine as a directory 
service in Outlook.  What could be the problem?

Appreciation in advance for any advice!
-R
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RE: searching a database list

[Reuben King]

Look into doing select unions in your SQL book.  Something like:
select * 
from thetable
where thecol = 'blahblah'
union
select *
from thetable
where thecol = 'hi im happy'
.. etc..

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Blair 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> I didn't state my question all that clearly, but the problem isn't querying
> the form field (which is a list if multiple items) are shown ("IN" does take
> care of this), the problem is testing it against a list that is in a
> database field.
> 
> Example:
> 
> Data in "Category" database field:  'internet', 'coldfusion', 'html'
> Form field to check for:  'internet'
> 
> 'internet' is a category item for this person, but unless the form field
> matches this exactly ('internet', 'coldfusion', 'html')
> The query returns nothing.
> 
> The case I have a solution for and folks have provided alternative solutions
> for is the opposite case.
> 
> Data in "Category" database field:  'internet'
> Form field to check for:  'internet', 'coldfusion', 'html'
> 
> This will search each item individually for a match in the database,
> returning matches.
> 
> So a form field list searching for an individual match in the database
> works; however, a single or list form field searching the database with a
> list as its entry won't work.
> 
> Anymore ideas?  There was another post today on the same question.  So knock
> off 2 birds with one stone!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Michael W. Blair
> 
> Web Applications Developer
> Canyon WebWorks
> An Arizona Internet LLC Company
> http://www.canyon.net
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> PHONE: (520) 773-9059
> FAX:   (520) 773-4945
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Byron M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 9:07 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: searching a database list
> 
> I think this is what you have.  A field in your db that has the expertise in
> a list.  If this is the case then utimately you want to design your DB
> differently.  I would create another table with something like a UserID and
> category, and then use a JOIN in your query.  But...
> 
> This might work in your case, or some variation...
> 
> 
>  SELECT * FROM projects
> WHERE 1=1
> 
> OR category LIKE #PreserveSingleQuotes(tmpVar)#
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Blair [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:05 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: searching a database list
> 
> 
> Need some help on this one.  I have a select field ("expertise") that
> folks can select multiple items from and then upon submittance are
> submitted into the databaseThen there is a search form to search on these
> database fields
> This is my search:
> 
> 
>  SELECT * FROM projects
> WHERE category IN (#PreserveSingleQuotes(FORM.SelectExpertise)#)
> 
> 
> This does not find an entry within the database such as ('internet', 'html',
> 'coldfusion')
> 
> I give the option for the users to select numerous options but unless
> they select the exact same expertise entered into the database it
> returns nothing.  If they are an expert in internet and that is within
> their list I want that returned.  Is there a way to do this if the
> database already has these fields are do you have to enter them each
> individually into their own row?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: UNSUBSCRIBE

[Reuben King]

In <001e01bfa8bd$99fad0a0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Julia Green 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Mr. Haubrich --
> 
> Hi, my name is Julia Green and I am a Cold Fusion Programmer at UPS.
> Did you mean that I personally should unsubscribe?  I actually need to post
> to solve a DateDiff() problem in a Vacation Posting problem I am doing
> at work?  However, I don't have the code as of yet.  Probably tomorrow...
> 
> Also, I am a little at lost at where and how I should post?  Should I just
> reply
> to an email, or is there an actual board where I should post and how should
> I do it?
> 
> If you can help me with any of these problems, great?

m3 +00 pl3aZ aDd m3 thNaks ok bye
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Re: Automatically submit?

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, aslam bajaria 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> I am looking at some code written by someone else. The
> person has not used submit button in some of the
> forms. 
> 
> Does the form automatically submit if there is no
> submit button?
> 
> Appreciate.
> A.B.

If it is a one-text-field form, then it will submit when the user 
presses Enter inside one of the text fields.  Otherwise, unless there is 
some Javascript which submits the form programatically, it will not 
submit.  There is also the  which acts like a submit 
button.
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How to use IE's password remembering functionality?

[Reuben King]

What is the trick to getting IE to use it's "remember my password" 
feature?  I cannot seem to get it to work with my site.

TIA,
-R
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What's the use of structures, anyway?

[Reuben King]

Structures seem totally useless to me.  If they were two dimensional, 
then I could see definite value.  I'd love to see something like:










.. etc ...


As I understand it right now from reading the CF docs and Forta's books, 
structures are nothing at all but a one dimensional shorthand way of 
passing around a single row of key/value pairs.  Am I correct in this?

I guess I'll just use the QueryNew() function and its relatives..
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RE: What's the use of structures, anyway?

[Reuben King]

[This followup was posted to cf-talk and a copy was sent to the cited 
author.]

In , 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, 
wrote:
> You seem to be missing something here. Structure's can be nested to the Nth
> level:
> 
> 
>   access_flags = StructNew();
>   access_flags["is_superuser"] = StructNew();
>   access_flags["is_superuser"].default_value = 0;
>   access_flags["is_superuser"].description = "Is this user an
> administrator?";
> 

Very nice.  THANK YOU!

I always appreciate help instead of flaming.

(and it took you 1/4 as much typing to tell me how to do what I wanted 
to do than it took the other fellow to tell me what an extreme idiot I 
am)
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RE: What's the use of structures, anyway?

[Reuben King]

Dude... All I can say is: take a pill.   You shouldn't take programming 
so personally.


In <034201bfaafb$e9f90eb0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Sheldon 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Wow, I feel so enlightened! Imagine all the wasted time I've spent using
> structures!
> 
> Every stop to consider that structures can be members of structures, or that
> you can have arrays of structures? That definitely pulls you out of two
> dimensions.
> 
> Yes, Structures are nearly identical to associative arrays in other
> languages. I use those a lot, too.
> 
> A structure is a way of gathering information about a single entity into one
> place. Nothing more, nothing less. I can't understand why you seem so
> offended by this, since structures in C/C++ are pretty much the same thing.
> 
> Just because YOU can't find a use for them doesn't mean they're useless. It
> just means your education is incomplete.
> 
> Michael J. Sheldon
> Internet Applications Developer
> Phone: 480.699.1084
> http://www.desertraven.com/
> PGP Key Available on Request
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Reuben King [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 11:49
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: What's the use of structures, anyway?
> 
> 
> Structures seem totally useless to me.  If they were two dimensional,
> then I could see definite value.  I'd love to see something like:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> .. etc ...
> 
> 
> As I understand it right now from reading the CF docs and Forta's books,
> structures are nothing at all but a one dimensional shorthand way of
> passing around a single row of key/value pairs.  Am I correct in this?
> 
> I guess I'll just use the QueryNew() function and its relatives..
> 
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RE: What's the use of structures, anyway?

[Reuben King]

[This followup was posted to cf-talk and a copy was sent to the cited 
author.]

In , 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, 
wrote:
> You seem to be missing something here. Structure's can be nested to the Nth
> level:
> 
> 
>   access_flags = StructNew();
>   access_flags["is_superuser"] = StructNew();
>   access_flags["is_superuser"].default_value = 0;
>   access_flags["is_superuser"].description = "Is this user an
> administrator?";
> 

Very nice.  THANK YOU!

I always appreciate help instead of flaming.

(and it took you 1/4 as much typing to tell me how to do what I wanted 
to do than it took the other fellow to tell me what an extreme idiot I 
am)
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Re: Big Problems!! - VNC

[Reuben King]

In <01db01bfaaf9$e95f78b0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris Lott 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> I use VNC a lot and have enver experienced problems like this (freezing the
> server, etc). I don't have experience with other products, since I've heard
> about so many problems with PC Anywhere, nothing one way or the other about
> Timbuktu (or whatever their product is) and VNC is free.
> 
> (I'd like to buy one, though, so would appreciate comments on any of them or
> others)
> 
> VNC is tolerable over cable modem.

I run VNC on about 10 different servers and have never had a lick of 
trouble with it.  My colleagues all across the company all use it as 
well.  There's just no point in spending the $$ for PCanywhere, as far 
as we're concerned.

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Cold Fusion & Oracle dates

[Reuben King]

As it stands right now, if I want to get the hours/minutes/seconds from 
an Oracle date column retrieved within a CFQUERY, I need to use to_char 
along the lines of "select to_char(thedatecol,'MM-DD- 
HH24:MI:SS')" .. But of course if I ever do a "select *", I'm bungled.  

If I do a "select thedate" just like that and then try to work with the 
time retrieved, it is always going to be "00:00" unless I explicitly 
retrieve the time values as above.

Is there a way to set the default display format of the dates retrieved 
from Oracle either on CF's side or on the Oracle server's side?

Anybody know?

TIA,
-R
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RE: What's the use of structures, anyway?

[Reuben King]

It seems that you cannot store structures in client variables, at least 
not if the client variable is stored in a database...  Can anyone 
confirm this or am I screwing something up?
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RE: What's the use of structures, anyway?

[Reuben King]

In <003801bfacf2$1c67a1c0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Sheldon 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> You are correct, you cannot store complex data directly in a client
> variable. However, all is not lost, you can serialize the structure using
> WDDX, store it in the client variable, and deserialize it when you read it
> back.
> 
> This, of course, also applies to any situation where you need to store
> structures or arrays in a database field.

What a kick-ass usage of WDDX.  You learn something new every day!  
Thanks!!

-R

> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Reuben King [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 16:45
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: What's the use of structures, anyway?
> 
> 
> It seems that you cannot store structures in client variables, at least
> not if the client variable is stored in a database...  Can anyone
> confirm this or am I screwing something up?
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Regular Expression cheat please?

[Reuben King]

I have looked at the manuals for regular expression help, but I am still 
mystified as to how to accomplish a simple character stripping.  I have 
a string, ex. "hello i have spaces, and punctuation." that I want 
everything but alpha numeric characters stripped from it and spaces 
converted to underscores so that it would return 
"hello_i_have_spaces_and_punctuation"

If someone could please post the appropriate syntax for REReplace, I 
would be most thankful.  It would save me headaches!

Thanks in advance,
-R
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Re: getting canadian exchange rate

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Won Lee ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Is there a way to get canadian exchange rate into a CF app everyday?

If you can find a reliable website that lists the exchange rate, you can 
always suck it in using CFHTTP..
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Re: does everyone always encrypt??

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeff Fongemie 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> 
> I'm just curious, do people here always encrypt their cfm templates? I often
> don't, but I'm beginning to think it might be a good idea to start
> encrypting form action scripts.
> 
> Any logic, reasoning people use for when/ when not to encrypt??

Barring any security holes on your web server, there is no real need to 
encrypt your files.  Encryption is usually used by folks who write 
shrink-wrapped applications.

There was awhile ago a bug on IIS that allowed incoming visitors to 
actually download the source code of your CF apps, bypassing CF App 
Server altogether.  This has long been fixed, but I'm sure there's 
another bug or two similar to this yet to be exploited.  The point:  
Beware coding sensitive data into your CF templates.  Make sure your 
security is tight. (Like, don't do something dumb and allow public FTP 
read access to your CFML directories!).  Make sure your server is up to 
date.  Blah blah.

HTH,
-R
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OT: IE and bookmark icons?

[Reuben King]

Some sites, like www.google.com, when you add them to your favorites, 
the icon for the bookmark file is a custom icon.  I have looked at the 
HTML source and found nothing out of the ordinary.. I'm guessing there 
is a .gif or .ico file at the host site that IE looks for?  Anybody know 
the particulars?

TIA,
-R
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Re: insert

[Reuben King]

In <000201bfaec8$43a2d3e0$2c044ed8@bull-god>, Kris Seaney 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> I want this data to go into a new table,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> SELECT
> Provider,DRGCD,Total_Cases,PCDTHS,Expected_PCDTH,PCDTH_Rating,AvgLOS,MedLOS,
> MaxLOS,MinLOS,Expected_LOS,LOS_Rating,AvgCHG,MedCHG,MaxCHG,MinCHG,Expected_C
> HG,CHG_Rating
> FROM Region10Hospitals
> 
>  dbtype="ODBC" dbname="healthmart98"
> formfields="Provider,DRGCD,Total_Cases,PCDTHS,Expected_PCDTH,PCDTH_Rating,Av
> gLOS,MedLOS,MaxLOS,MinLOS,Expected_LOS,LOS_Rating,AvgCHG,MedCHG,MaxCHG,MinCH
> G,Expected_CHG,CHG_Rating">
> 
> 
> 
> Is this right?

So complicated.

Do a "select * from table1 into table2" .. customize to your particular 
needs.
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Re: Very Weird INSERT Problem

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, S R (dharkangel333
@hotmail.com) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> I have tried everything, changing the name of the query, recreating the 
> table, Naming the field different names and I still get the error:
> 
> Missing semicolon (;) at end of SQL statement.
> 
> I even tried adding the semicolon and then it says:
> 
> Characters found at end of SqL statement.
> 
> It is just a simple insert statement going into a table in ACCESS.
> 
> 
> INSERT INTO USACopy(BusUnitID)
> VALUES(8)
> WHERE ID = 3
> 

You can't use a where clause in an Insert statement.  You probably want 
to use an Update statement instead.
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Re: disappearing form fields

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
Bryan Love ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, 
wrote:
> Does anyone know why form fields might disappear and thus cause a cold
> fusion error when trying to resolve them?  This problem seems to be computer
> specific; it will happen on one computer but not on the five computers next
> to it (same LAN).  The computer on which it is happening has been restarted
> but to no avail.  We have checked browser settings, version, caching, and
> everything else under the sun.  
> This site is on a secure server and thus uses SSL on every page.  
> The computer on which it throws errors is a Windows 98 machine (so are the
> others that don't throw errors).
> 
> Anyone?

Are these form fields checkboxes by any chance?  If a checkbox is not 
checked, it does not get passed as a form field.

As a matter of discipline, I always either check for the existance of 
form fields or initialize them with  .. Never assume anything! :)

hth,
-R
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Re: Thank you for choosing Smart Web Tech .............

[Reuben King]

I would really appreciate this too.  The main culprits are users of 
Outlook and Outlook Express.  

I would be a happy man if everyone would just post in plain-text.  


In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeff Wilson 
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> Speaking of crazy, while we're doing noise reduction, how about
> excluding other forms of useless traffic.  Perhaps those of you who are
> sending your email as both text AND html could take pity on those of us
> who have to weed through double messages in to locate the real content
> in the cf-talk digest.   
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ATTENTION ALL OUTLOOK AND OUTLOOK EXPRESS USERS

[Reuben King]

Please stop posting to the list in anything other than plain text.  It 
is quite ugly and annoying for those of us who are using plain text 
newsreaders.

Thanks,
-RK
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Re: Microsoft MSDN "Bug"

[Reuben King]

In <004e01bfb47c$bc0fce00$0b45a8c0@faxmandoo>, Jon Hall 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> I am beginning to think I am missing posts or receiving partial posts...this
> is the second post I have received today that seems to make no sense.
> 
> jon

and then i said "WOW THATS THE BEST CF SECRET EVER" and we went out 
for sodas!

Bye!

-R
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OT: Spec deals -- how much to ask for?

[Reuben King]

I have a deal brewing which is probably typical in this business..  A 
business guy and his attorney cooking up a dot.com idea in their heads. 
Interested investors, but no real funding until "something" exists.  
They are flirting with me hoping I'll develop it in my spare time in 
exchange for stock in the company.

I have never worked a project for equity in a company.  I'm wondering 
how much I should ask.  I'm thinking 1/3rd of the company? 

If anyone has any relevant experience doing business this sort of way, 
I'd certainly appreciate any anecdotal thoughts one way or the other.

Thanks,
-RK
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Re: ATTENTION ALL OUTLOOK AND OUTLOOK EXPRESS USERS

[Reuben King]

In <00b201bfb48b$8140e1b0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dave Hannum 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Hey Ruub!
> 
> DON'T lump ALL Outlook and Outlook Express Users into the group that uses HTML!!!  I 
>use OE and DO NOT USE HTML!  I agree that it
> should not be used but just because somebody uses OE or Outlook does not, in and of 
>itself, make one out to be the kind of slime the
> tone of your post proposes!  Besides, statistics show that you are part of a 
>minority that is becoming smaller and smaller all the
> time.

I use Outlook myself as well.  I posted this to the attention of Outlook 
users because of its default settings..  By the way, your OE is not 
wrapping its text at 73 chars as per the popular standard.  Tsk tsk. :)

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Re: ATTENTION ALL OUTLOOK, OUTLOOK EXPRESS, AND ANY OTHER HTML MAILER USERS

[Reuben King]

In <01d601bfb4d8$9a4c71e0$5ccc8ad1@satan>, Fred T. Sanders 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Funny, I'm not sending any email in html and am using plain text, and I use
> both Outlook and OExpress.  What about all those web based clients and
> Netscape's Mail reader. ??   why didn't you jump on them.  If your going
> to ride someone for their mail client be a slut and ride them all.

Ok.

It's not the HTML that drives me as nuts as multi-part MIME postings 
with all sorts of weird characters (like "=20" all over the place).  It 
makes the posts more of a pain to read and respond to that I personally 
feel I have the time to deal with, therefore I ignore them.  So, if 
someone has a legit question that maybe I know the answer to, they will 
most likely not receive a response from me because their posts are too 
difficult to read.



> 
> Fred
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Reuben King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Newsgroups: cf-talk
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 4:31 PM
> Subject: ATTENTION ALL OUTLOOK AND OUTLOOK EXPRESS USERS
> 
> 
> > Please stop posting to the list in anything other than plain text.  It
> > is quite ugly and annoying for those of us who are using plain text
> > newsreaders.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -RK
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RE: ILOVEYOU

[Reuben King]

Um, you can still catch this trojan (its not a virus) using Eudora as 
well as any other mail program on Windoze.  The only benefit using 
Outlook gives the trojan is the ability to spread itself via your 
address book.

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Oblio Leitch 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> WooHooo   Viva Eudora
> 
> At 5/4/00 10:23 AM, you wrote:
> >And people ask why I stick with Eudora.  Heh.
> >
> >Sharon
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RE: ILOVEYOU

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
Kelly Matthews ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, 
wrote:
> Every one this is a VISUAL BASIC VIRUS dont run it delete it Immediately.
> Frank WHY did you send this??

He didn't send it on purpose.. CF-Talk was in his Outlook address book 
and so the trojan sent itself.

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Re: ILOVEYOU

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Larry W. Virden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a 
fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> From: "Wim Dewijngaert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > WOW!! Are we lucky that the cftalk list does not allow attachments anymore!
> > This is the famous ILOVEYOU virus!
> 
> This virus is shutting down email systems across Europe and the US.
> 
> However, how did it get here at least twice on this mailing list if,
> as Win notes, attachements are not supposed to be available any longer?
> 
> P.S.  This "Love Bug" virus attaches itself even to JPG's, etc. - it
> is quite nasty.  See

It doesn't attach itself, it overwrites JPG's, MP3's, and a few other 
obscure file extensions.. Then it renames them to .vbs ..

Having an open-source trojan to study is interesting.  This programmer 
wasn't terribly clever and it is indeed rather disconcerting how 
relatively easy it is to write a trojan that can inflict a lot of 
damage.

For some reason, this one was more prolific than Happy99.exe or 
Melissa.. I wonder why.
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Re: WOW what a day

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Bahlke 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> It seems like everyone has been hit by the LoveBug.  It’s like warfare
> keeping it away.
> 
> I hope everyone is managing OK.

I heard on the news that it is estimated that 9 million computers were 
infected in the first 12 hours of its release.  Wow.  Says a lot about 
human nature.. everybody wants a love letter!  (Happy99 and Melissa were 
nowhere near as successful)

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Re: Problem to connect Oracle8i through ODBC

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled 
passion, wrote:
>  I've already configured the Net8 client properly and can connect to the
> database through sqlplus on the client. Is there anything I miss??

RTFM.


> 
> Albert 
> 
> > > I'm running both CF Enterprise and Professional.  There is
> > > no native driver for Oracle8i, so I got to use ODBC.
> > 
> > Oracle8i is Oracle 8.1.x, and you can connect to it using the native
> > Oracle80 option in CF Enterprise. You'll have to set up the data
> > source
> > through the Oracle Net8 client utilities first, which will generally
> > write
> > info to the tnsnames.ora file for you.
> > 
> > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> > http://www.figleaf.com/
> > voice: (202) 797-5496
> > fax: (202) 797-5444
> > 
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RE: Problem to connect Oracle8i through ODBC

[Reuben King]

In <004101bfb611$a38d9f10$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dave Watts 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> > I'm running both CF Enterprise and Professional.  There is
> > no native driver for Oracle8i, so I got to use ODBC.
> 
> Oracle8i is Oracle 8.1.x, and you can connect to it using the native
> Oracle80 option in CF Enterprise. You'll have to set up the data source
> through the Oracle Net8 client utilities first, which will generally write
> info to the tnsnames.ora file for you.
> 

If you're running Windows 2000, beware that you need to update to Oracle 
8.1.6.. 8.1.5 is unstable on 2000.
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Stupid question: How to handle $ values?

[Reuben King]

If I try to use val("$23.12"), it returns 0.  Other than doing a check 
for the first character being a dollar sign, is there an easier way to 
do this?

Thanks,
-RK
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Val() doesn't work like I need it to

[Reuben King]

Val("$12.31") returns 0.  Val("1,120.1") returns 1.. This is starting to 
piss me off.  Am I missing something here?  Am I going to have to write 
a custom tag to simply convert a human-readable number into a number-
number for insertion into an Oracle column? (Oracle's to_number() is 
just as useless, if not more so! urg.)

TIA,
-R
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Re: Cold Fusion 4.0 Construction kit

[Reuben King]

In <002b01bfb90f$e5bc8ad0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tiberiu Vasilica 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Hello All!
> 
> If anyone have Ben Forta book in electronic format, like the one in
> itknowledge, I will appreciate very much if can share it with me. I don't
> have a credit card and I need supplementary documentation about Cold Fusion.
> I have problems with the variables, especially...
> 
> Thank you very much!
> 
> Tiberiu
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

So, you want us to post copyrighted material because you're too cheap to 
go spend a few bucks and buy it?

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RE: CFModule Parent/Child Tags

[Reuben King]

Oh my gosh, another Reuben.  Now, I'm gonna get all confused and stuff!


In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Reuben 
Poon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Raymond,
> 
> Sorry, that was a typo.  It should have read "name".
> 
> Reuben
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Raymond K. Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 11:07 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: CFModule Parent/Child Tags
> 
> 
> I have no problems with any of what you said below Reuben. My email was
> specifically responding to what you called a bug about calling CFMODULE with
> "name." instead of "name.cfm".
> 
> ===
> Raymond Camden, Cold Fusion Jedi Master for Syntegra (www.syntegra.com)
> Allaire Certified Instructor and Member of Team Allaire
> 
> Email   : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ICQ UIN : 3679482
> 
> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Reuben Poon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 12:35 PM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: RE: CFModule Parent/Child Tags
> >
> >
> > Raymond,
> >
> > If you have nested CFMODULE tags like the following:
> >
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >
> >
> > Then in your button_item.cfm file you need to use the following:
> > 
> >
> > instead of
> >  or
> >  or
> > 
> >
> >
> > Also, in the child CFMODULE call:  without using an end  tag
> > or closing
> > that tag with />.
> >
> > So you can write
> >  or
> > 
> >
> >
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Raymond K. Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 9:23 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: CFModule Parent/Child Tags
> >
> >
> > What bug? Your saying you can't do:
> >
> >  and that you have to use:
> >
> >  ?? I've never seen that before.
> > Are you sure
> > or am I misreading you.
> >
> 
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RE: Val() doesn't work like I need it to

[Reuben King]

In 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
"Olive, Christopher M Mr USACHPPM" ("Olive, Christopher M Mr USACHPPM") 
in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> why are there dollar signs there in the first place?  the dollar sign
> display should be a separate entity from the actual number.  what are you
> trying to do?

I have a form with a text field that asks for a dollar value.  I need to 
parse that into a real number for insertion into an Oracle NUMBER(10,2) 
column.

Thanks,
-RK
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Inserting long string literals into an Oracle LONG column -- error!

[Reuben King]

I have a  tag that I'd like to insert/update the value of into 
an Oracle LONG column.  For simple and short values, the following works 
fine:
update theTable set theCol = '#form.textareaname#' where 

However, if I get too much text in that string literal, I get an "ORA-
01704: string literal too long" error.

An Oracle LONG data type can hold up to 2gb of text in it, so that's not 
the prob.

Any ideas?

TIA,
-R
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Re: Val() doesn't work like I need it to

[Reuben King]

In <000f01bfb926$f42a1e40$504011c7@immi9801>, Michael Imhoff 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> You would probably be better off doing something like this.
> 
> 
> 
> That will replace everything that isn't a number or a period.

Yes, that is what I need.  Someday I need to learn regexps..

Thanks,
-RK
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Re: How to make a text flash in CF

[Reuben King]

In <00e001bfb925$6ef769e0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Randy Hogg 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Two years ago, I was required to REMOVE all flashing text in an application
> in order to comply with OSHA rules.  The contention was that certain medical
> conditions could be aggravated by flashing.  Better check any regualtions
> that your industry is subject to.

hehehehe.. I find this humorous for some strange reason.

Remove those annoying  tags or be subject to lawsuits and 
workman's comp claims!

FWIW, Blink tags are tacky and vulgar, imho.  Bold it, underline it, 
make it big, make it red.. Just don't make it flash.

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Re: Highlighting unread messages?

[Reuben King]

I would recommend using client variables and storing the message 
read/unread flags in the database.  Much easier and more bulletproof, 
imo.

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Re: Textarea problem

[Reuben King]

In <01A056931BA6D011AE63F84A801204446FA6@KSCMBS41>, Howell, Katie 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, 
wrote:
> I'm having a problem processing a text area.  It seem if a user enters
> anything with  single quotes, double quotes or the percent sign it causes
> problems.  The text area looks like:
>  class="sgs8n">
> 
> and on the processing page I have this for validation:
> 
> 
>   You must enter the justification.
>   Back
>   
> 
> 
> The user gets the following error:
> Error Occurred While Processing Request
> 
> Error resolving parameter FORM.REQ_JUST
[snip]

Make a default value for the form, as: 

That should fix it for you.

HTH,
-R
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RE: exposure of OS-integrated browsers to viruses

[Reuben King]

In <003701bfb920$46b74090$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dave Watts 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> > There are several "browser applications" (for lack of a better name)
> > available  for that require IE 4 or IE 5 on a win platform.
> >
> > One of these is eWebEditPro available in the tag gallery at:
> >
> > http://www2.allaire.com/developer/gallery/index.cfm?ObjectID=1
> > 2741&nocache=yes
> >
> > I don't mean to single this one out, only use it as an example to
> > illustrate the application.
> > (My CF host, zanova, provides a similar application called iEdit).
> ...
> > You can do the same thing with Java  but these solutions
> > are usually browser & platform independent... they don't require
> > windows & IE
> >
> > I guess my concerns/questions are:
> >
> >Why do they require Windows & IE?
> >
> >Why do they require the versions of the browsers that are
> >integrated into the OS?
> >
> >Are they using OS or browser features (not available to Java)?
> >
> >Does this provide a path to the OS, through the browser,
> >that is an open invitation to hackers & viruses?
> 
> We actually have a better name for them: ActiveX controls. That's in fact
> what they are. ActiveX is a standard that allows Windows clients using IE to
> download and install relatively small programs, which then act just like any
> other installed programs. ActiveX programs are much more powerful and more
> efficient than client-side Java applets, because they're native code and
> they're installed on the user's computer; Java applets have to run with
> relatively limited capabilities, and they aren't installed (generally) on
> the user's computer.
> 
> ActiveX controls present serious security problems, just like you face with
> any other program that you install on your computer. An ActiveX control will
> be able to do anything that that user is allowed to do - delete files, etc.
> The answer to this is to only install trusted programs, but of course that
> requires that users be competent in judging what's to be trusted. In large
> corporate environments, IE clients can be configured to have lists of
> trusted sites, but it's hard to make a machine completely safe from a user
> determined to install a piece of software. The component does have to be
> installed, though; it can't just install itself, the user has to give
> permission and the user has to possess the right to install software on the
> machine, which is a given on Win95/98, but not necessarily the case in
> NT/2K.

When is Microsoft going to be held accountable for their blatant 
security holes in their OS?  This sh*t gets annoying after awhile.
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Re: Inserting long string literals into an Oracle LONG column-- error!

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jennifer 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> At 01:53 PM 5/8/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >I have a  tag that I'd like to insert/update the value of into
> >an Oracle LONG column.  For simple and short values, the following works
> >fine:
> >update theTable set theCol = '#form.textareaname#' where 
> >
> >However, if I get too much text in that string literal, I get an "ORA-
> >01704: string literal too long" error.
> >
> >An Oracle LONG data type can hold up to 2gb of text in it, so that's not
> >the prob.
> >
> >Any ideas?
> 
> 
> There is a 4k literal text string limit in SQL insert and update 
> statements. That is where you are being truncated. Here's the code form our 
> example. You will probably be able to follow the variables, but if you have 
> a question, email me. I'm short on time today, so I am not paying much 
> attention to the list. You may have to reply to my address in a seperate 
> email message than you reply to the list because of my filter.
> 
>  datasource="#application.EditorialDsn#" 
> username="#application.DataUserName#" 
> password="#application.DataUserPassword#" debug="Yes">
>   value="#EditorialID#" cfsqltype="CF_SQL_INTEGER">
>   value="#EditorialBody#" cfsqltype="CF_SQL_LONGVARCHAR">
>  
> 
> the stored procedure:
> update_EditorialBody(p_ID IN NUMBER, b1 IN VARCHAR2)
> 
> BEGIN
> update tblEditorials
> set EditorialBody = b1 where tblEditorials.EditorialID = p_ID;
> END;

Actually, there's also a  which does the same thing as 
, yet one doesn't need to write a PL/SQL procedure.

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Re: Sessions

[Reuben King]

In <002501bfb9d9$10b67ce0$0200a8c0@tim>, WL ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a 
fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Can anyone point me to a URL with advise or tutorials or code-snippets on
> getting a Session working with CF?  I'm fairly new to it (2 weeks) and have
> yet to look at how it deals with sessions.
> 
> Any help is appreciated guys.

You have to first use a  somewhere, probably in your application.cfm 
file.. Then, you simply read and write variables like normally except 
you name them "session.varname".. such as  
and then in another page #session.name# .. 

HTH,
-R
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Re: CF Guru help needed - Caller Scope questions

[Reuben King]

In <001c01bfb9d3$99277080$28681fd1@certisource>, B.Cravens 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> You have it a little flip-flopped.
> 
> To make variables available to the custom tag, pass them as attributes of
> the custom tag.  The caller scope is used inside of the custom tag to pass
> any values back to the calling page.  Then those variables are available as
> local (Variables) scope variables.
> 
> For example, the below example would output "value2"

There are many uses for accessing variables in the caller scope other 
than simply writing results.  Application globals defined in your 
application.cfm file is one way that I often need to use caller. scope.

But, for passing settings into a custom tag FOR that custom tag, yes -- 
you should use the attributes. scope as shown below:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> #testvar#
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Your forgot to put in the  to 
demonstrate how to access the variables passed in the  
statemnet.

HTH,
-R
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RE: how do you have a static picture in the background

[Reuben King]

In , 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, 
wrote:
> In IE this is possible by setting bgproperties in the body tag:
> 
> 
> 
> But as far as I know, netscape will ignore this..

This is true.  Mozilla M15 doesn't support it either.  Sucks.
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Re: What does locking actually do

[Reuben King]

In <11451440F335D21197F200104BAFD3A7B70BBE@EXCH2>, Robert Everland 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
>   Ok I have the CFX_Excel and it works fine for me, the thing I want
> to know is what does putting cflock around the tag actually do. I was
> testing it a second ago with 2 people to see if we would get an error if we
> click it at the same time( was hoping we didn't) and we didn't. So does
> cflock que it up for the next person, or what does it do exactly?

As per the documentation: (RTFM, dude)

The CFLOCK tag provides two types of locks to ensure the integrity of 
shared data:

exclusive lock 
read-only lock 
An exclusive lock single-threads access to the CFML constructs in its 
body. Single-threaded access implies that the body of the tag can be 
executed by at most one request at a time. A request executing inside a 
CFLOCK tag has an "exclusive lock" on the tag. No other requests are 
allowed to start executing inside the tag while a request has an 
exclusive lock. ColdFusion issues exclusive locks on a first-come, 
first-served basis.

A read-only lock allows multiple requests to access the CFML constructs 
inside its body concurrently. Therefore, read-only locks should only be 
used when the shared data will only be read and not modified. If another 
request already has an exclusive lock on the shared data, the request 
will wait for the exclusive lock to be released before it can obtain it.


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Re: Client DB storage and Purging

[Reuben King]

In , Rich Wild 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I think I probably have this wrong.
> 
> Here we go though
> 
> I'm storing all my client vars in a database - and I have set the CF Admin
> to purge all of these after 1 day - however, it ain't happenin...
> 
> What this means is that past CFIDs and CFTOKENs can be reused, which kinda
> dents my security a little :(
> 
> Has anyone got any advice on how to get the var storage DB to rid itself of
> the data?
> 
> Without me doing it manually that is ;)

Well, you could expire the CFID and CFTOKEN cookies immediately, or if 
you are storing your client variables in a datasource, I would think 
that deleting them programatically would also work.  There are two 
tables, cdata and cglobal, both with a cfid column.  The CFID column is 
in the format of :.  On a whim, I just tried adding 
another column to this table (a date column) to see if I could modify 
it.  CF didn't like it much. :)

HTH,
-R
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