Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
On Thursday 06 Mar 2003 17:07 pm, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: It does matter, your player is out of date : The web site should say that then. I only installed it a month or so ago ! What is the current version now and I'll go upgrade and try again. -- Tom C Land of the free, home of the brave... you have to be brave to live there and enjoy the freedoms ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
The latest version is 6,0,79,0 ...it has been upgraded due to a security issue within the player... HTH Neil -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 March 2003 15:02 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! On Thursday 06 Mar 2003 17:07 pm, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: It does matter, your player is out of date : The web site should say that then. I only installed it a month or so ago ! What is the current version now and I'll go upgrade and try again. -- Tom C Land of the free, home of the brave... you have to be brave to live there and enjoy the freedoms ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash At 03:01 PM 3/7/2003 +, you wrote: On Thursday 06 Mar 2003 17:07 pm, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: It does matter, your player is out of date : The web site should say that then. I only installed it a month or so ago ! What is the current version now and I'll go upgrade and try again. -- Tom C -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
How do you find out which version is installed? (Using IE6.0.28 and winXPPro)? Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 2:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! The latest version is 6,0,79,0 ...it has been upgraded due to a security issue within the player... HTH Neil ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
On Friday 07 Mar 2003 15:08 pm, Todd wrote: http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=S Oh, look, going from r69 to r79 hasn't improved a thing mock surprise -- Tom C Land of the free, home of the brave... you have to be brave to live there and enjoy the freedoms ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/ts/documents/test_version.htm mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Michael Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:18 AM Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! How do you find out which version is installed? (Using IE6.0.28 and winXPPro)? Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! -- THE END
Pablo I'm not sure how it's an advance to take away the basic methods of moving around a site - right click, open in a new window, back buttons, and adding about double or maybe even triple the time to load every page since they're not cached anywhere. Navigating this site is now like it was back in the days of NN2 and IE2. There are lots of pretty things and some flash remoting going on, but in design terms, the most important thing is functionality, the second is form. Form Follows Function, not the other way around. That's why it's poor design. Not because of its looks (it looks fantastic - I wish I could design sites that look that good), but because of the way it works (or doesn't). Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Pablo Varando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! -- THE END So, the basic point is that Macromedia launched a new site, with a lot of new things/features and while some people have problems right now, it wont be for long. Browsers will follow and problems will sort themselves out in time. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
Sorry, way OT by now. I took a seminar a while back on Section 508 and they explained that the word Handicap was given to disabled people because most disabled people at the time were Vietnam vets. The word handy capped means to had out a baseball call in and ask for a hand out. What a bizarre assertion. A handicap is a type of horse race we have had in England for a couple of hundred years where the best horses have to carry extra weight in order to give the others a chance. (The word is derived from an even older, and rather unrelated, gambling procedure involving keeping money in a hat). So to call someone handicapped is actually a sort of compliment. Nick ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Jochem, you make a good point. One of the major criticisms of flash I hear from potential clients is that it's proprietary and doesn't meet standards. Now here's the main man in flash making a site that proves exactly that - the technology is proprietary and it doesn't validate to any known standard. All a prospective client has to say is even the guys who made flash can't meet standards! and we're toast. Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2003 4:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! It would be nice if the Macromedia website validated to some version of the (X)HTML standard. Then we would not only know who to blame if a certain browser failed to work properly, but it would also be a nice conclusion of the efforts of Macromedia together with the Web Standards Project to make its own tools produce valid (X)HTML and a showcase of the abilities of those tools. [snip] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Is there anyway you can get Outlook to ignore conversation threads ;-) -Original Message- From: Michael Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 March 2003 10:42 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Jochem, you make a good point. One of the major criticisms of flash I hear from potential clients is that it's proprietary and doesn't meet standards. Now here's the main man in flash making a site that proves exactly that - the technology is proprietary and it doesn't validate to any known standard. All a prospective client has to say is even the guys who made flash can't meet standards! and we're toast. Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2003 4:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! It would be nice if the Macromedia website validated to some version of the (X)HTML standard. Then we would not only know who to blame if a certain browser failed to work properly, but it would also be a nice conclusion of the efforts of Macromedia together with the Web Standards Project to make its own tools produce valid (X)HTML and a showcase of the abilities of those tools. [snip] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 09:44 am, Oliver Cookson wrote: The new Macromedia.com has been launched and its looks excellent (if a little slow in places). *in places* ? Everywhere ! Just visting the front page causes my CPU to jump to 100% and stay there. The menus are *highly* unresponsive. At least the DevNet has been left mostly alone. -- Tom C Land of the free, home of the brave... you have to be brave to live there and enjoy the freedoms ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 16:43 pm, Bill Wheatley wrote: Hopefully they fix the opera thing quickly. I mean its only a browser with 10%, and growing, of the market. What market ? -- Tom C Land of the free, home of the brave... you have to be brave to live there and enjoy the freedoms ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Hey Thomas, what Flash Player version are you running? -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 March 2003 16:51 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 09:44 am, Oliver Cookson wrote: The new Macromedia.com has been launched and its looks excellent (if a little slow in places). *in places* ? Everywhere ! Just visting the front page causes my CPU to jump to 100% and stay there. The menus are *highly* unresponsive. At least the DevNet has been left mostly alone. -- Tom C Land of the free, home of the brave... you have to be brave to live there and enjoy the freedoms ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 18:52 pm, Christian Cantrell wrote: Evolution is not always easy, but somebody has to do it. Yeah, but don't do it in *public* FFS ! Not that you can roll it back - you'll get even more stick. -- Tom C Land of the free, home of the brave... you have to be brave to live there and enjoy the freedoms ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
On Thursday 06 Mar 2003 16:49 pm, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: Hey Thomas, what Flash Player version are you running? I have no idea. Hold on... File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 6.0 r69 apperently. Not that it matters. If it's shite in version X, and you know it is shite in version X, either fix it, or have a pop-up or something to try and get people to upgrade. -- Tom C Land of the free, home of the brave... you have to be brave to live there and enjoy the freedoms ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
It does matter, your player is out of date : -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 March 2003 17:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! On Thursday 06 Mar 2003 16:49 pm, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: Hey Thomas, what Flash Player version are you running? I have no idea. Hold on... File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 6.0 r69 apperently. Not that it matters. If it's shite in version X, and you know it is shite in version X, either fix it, or have a pop-up or something to try and get people to upgrade. -- Tom C Land of the free, home of the brave... you have to be brave to live there and enjoy the freedoms ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
New Macromedia.com launched! -- THE END
I agree with Michael in that the new MM site looks great, but does not work. Let me clarify; yesterday I went to the CF developer exchange and found the new flash site and it only took me a minute to realize that it would take me forever to find what I was looking for. Typically with the old developer exchange (Allaires was the best) I would search for a custom tag and then from the search results window I would open a second browser to drag and drop the links to the individual custom tags. This method was quite efficient because I would only search once, and just drag and drop links. However, with the new system I have to repeat the search every time I look at an individual tag, which is quite a pain! I also tried the Accessibility link to see if there is an HTML version, which there was not. It sure would be nice if there were a link to the old developer exchange. Stan Winchester AfterShock Web Design, LLC http://www.aftershockweb.com/ ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched! -- THE END
As Stan points out, I never realized how much I desperately need a right-click Open in New Window until it disappeared in the DevEx. That one is definitely going into the feedback form. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
If version 6.0 isn't bleeding edge enough... that's a problem as far as I'm concerned. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 6, 2003 11:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! It does matter, your player is out of date : -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 March 2003 17:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! On Thursday 06 Mar 2003 16:49 pm, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: Hey Thomas, what Flash Player version are you running? I have no idea. Hold on... File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 6.0 r69 apperently. Not that it matters. If it's shite in version X, and you know it is shite in version X, either fix it, or have a pop-up or something to try and get people to upgrade. -- Tom C Land of the free, home of the brave... you have to be brave to live there and enjoy the freedoms ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched! -- THE END
How about holding down shift when clicking on the link? (the keyboard shortcut?) -Zine -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! -- THE END As Stan points out, I never realized how much I desperately need a right-click Open in New Window until it disappeared in the DevEx. That one is definitely going into the feedback form. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
Jillian Carroll wrote: If version 6.0 isn't bleeding edge enough... that's a problem as far as I'm concerned. They should all work on the site. But older versions have security issues. But it would be nice if the Macromedia site warned you if you weren't using the lastest and greatest version. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched! -- THE END
Ezine wrote: -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! -- THE END As Stan points out, I never realized how much I desperately need a right-click Open in New Window until it disappeared in the DevEx. That one is definitely going into the feedback form. How about holding down shift when clicking on the link? (the keyboard shortcut?) 1. That requires me to use a keyboard. 2. That does not allow me to differentiate between opening in a new tab and opening in a new window. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
New Macromedia.com launched!
Maybe there has already been a post, if not there is now! :) The new Macromedia.com has been launched and its looks excellent (if a little slow in places). Well done MM. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Pity the top toolbar on the home page doesn't work how it's supposed to :) Other than that, looks great. I wouldn't like to load it over a modem though! -Original Message- From: Oliver Cookson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 09:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: New Macromedia.com launched! Maybe there has already been a post, if not there is now! :) The new Macromedia.com has been launched and its looks excellent (if a little slow in places). Well done MM. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
I like the new design, but it still suffers from the old back button problem which is a real usability issue; I preferred the old site : much cleaner. -Original Message- From: Andre Mohamed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 10:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Pity the top toolbar on the home page doesn't work how it's supposed to :) Other than that, looks great. I wouldn't like to load it over a modem though! -Original Message- From: Oliver Cookson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 09:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: New Macromedia.com launched! Maybe there has already been a post, if not there is now! :) The new Macromedia.com has been launched and its looks excellent (if a little slow in places). Well done MM. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
I went into the accessibility section, and turned on the HTML version which is much faster and therefore more useful for my main need for the site, which is looking up support and product information... you don't have to twiddle your thumbs for 10 seconds every time you go back to the home page. I had the top toolbar problem as well, i logged a bug report and got a message back saying I needed to upgrade my Flash player.. after doing that it worked ok.. a bit annoying, I would have thought I'd be warned that my player needed updating... - Original Message - From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:06 PM Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I like the new design, but it still suffers from the old back button problem which is a real usability issue; I preferred the old site : much cleaner. -Original Message- From: Andre Mohamed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 10:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Pity the top toolbar on the home page doesn't work how it's supposed to :) Other than that, looks great. I wouldn't like to load it over a modem though! -Original Message- From: Oliver Cookson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 09:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: New Macromedia.com launched! Maybe there has already been a post, if not there is now! :) The new Macromedia.com has been launched and its looks excellent (if a little slow in places). Well done MM. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
Ryan Sabir wrote: I went into the accessibility section, and turned on the HTML version which Unfortunately, the downloads section appears to ignore the mediaprefs=gif cookie (and the downloads section is completely inaccessible in every Lynx version I have). Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... But hey it's pretty. (Isn't that all that matters) :) -p -- Original Message -- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:06:59 - I like the new design, but it still suffers from the old back button problem which is a real usability issue; I preferred the old site : much cleaner. -Original Message- From: Andre Mohamed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 10:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Pity the top toolbar on the home page doesn't work how it's supposed to :) Other than that, looks great. I wouldn't like to load it over a modem though! -Original Message- From: Oliver Cookson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 09:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: New Macromedia.com launched! Maybe there has already been a post, if not there is now! :) The new Macromedia.com has been launched and its looks excellent (if a little slow in places). Well done MM. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I can't say I am too happy with the new site (it was nice to look at first off and in all honesty: It seems a gimmick), but I cant see how you could have failed to find the exchanges : www.macromedia.com/exchange -Original Message- From: paris lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 15:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... But hey it's pretty. (Isn't that all that matters) :) -p -- Original Message -- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:06:59 - I like the new design, but it still suffers from the old back button problem which is a real usability issue; I preferred the old site : much cleaner. -Original Message- From: Andre Mohamed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 10:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Pity the top toolbar on the home page doesn't work how it's supposed to :) Other than that, looks great. I wouldn't like to load it over a modem though! -Original Message- From: Oliver Cookson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 09:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: New Macromedia.com launched! Maybe there has already been a post, if not there is now! :) The new Macromedia.com has been launched and its looks excellent (if a little slow in places). Well done MM. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I'm surprised MM would launch this site given: - Jakob Neilson (and other usability professionals) are going to be watching - They are trying to 'sell sell sell' the idea that Flash has matured and is now faster, friendlier, etc. For my own interest, I checked out the site in several browsers: - NS 6.2.3 and 7.1 (seems to work nearly as I imagine is intended) - NS 4.79 (very little of the site can be seen) - NS 4.78 (much like 4.79, very little can be seen, and the links that are visible, aren't functional) - Mozilla 1.1 (depricates nicely w/o Flash in this browser) - IE 6 (the links in the main 'top' bar don't work properly) It's unfortunate. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2003 9:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I can't say I am too happy with the new site (it was nice to look at first off and in all honesty: It seems a gimmick), but I cant see how you could have failed to find the exchanges : www.macromedia.com/exchange -Original Message- From: paris lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 15:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... But hey it's pretty. (Isn't that all that matters) :) -p -- Original Message -- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:06:59 - I like the new design, but it still suffers from the old back button problem which is a real usability issue; I preferred the old site : much cleaner. -Original Message- From: Andre Mohamed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 10:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Pity the top toolbar on the home page doesn't work how it's supposed to :) Other than that, looks great. I wouldn't like to load it over a modem though! -Original Message- From: Oliver Cookson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 09:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: New Macromedia.com launched! Maybe there has already been a post, if not there is now! :) The new Macromedia.com has been launched and its looks excellent (if a little slow in places). Well done MM. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Come on guys... it is a Beta version. Is there only never happy people on this list? Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... I disagree about the bad design and confusing things arguments (... agree about the slow one). The organisation of the site seems to be much clear than the previous one. The home page is not intended to ColdFusion Developers... but any kind of audience, that's why it requires a flashy brand/corporate lookfeel. If you don't like it, just go directly to http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/, you don't have to go through it. (there was already a big marketing flash movie in the previous home page) They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map Not very hard... Select Product ColdFusion MX on the home page, and then you'll get a direct access to the exchange. (and it will remember this setting) That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... Once you have selected Newest, it will also remember this settings for your next visit (no changes to your historical habits). Come on guys, move forward... Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I suspect the browsers which are failing such as Netscape is due to the fact the Flash Player is out of date (I think we are up to 6,0,79,0 or something?!) -Original Message- From: Jillian Carroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 15:50 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I'm surprised MM would launch this site given: - Jakob Neilson (and other usability professionals) are going to be watching - They are trying to 'sell sell sell' the idea that Flash has matured and is now faster, friendlier, etc. For my own interest, I checked out the site in several browsers: - NS 6.2.3 and 7.1 (seems to work nearly as I imagine is intended) - NS 4.79 (very little of the site can be seen) - NS 4.78 (much like 4.79, very little can be seen, and the links that are visible, aren't functional) - Mozilla 1.1 (depricates nicely w/o Flash in this browser) - IE 6 (the links in the main 'top' bar don't work properly) It's unfortunate. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2003 9:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I can't say I am too happy with the new site (it was nice to look at first off and in all honesty: It seems a gimmick), but I cant see how you could have failed to find the exchanges : www.macromedia.com/exchange -Original Message- From: paris lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 15:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... But hey it's pretty. (Isn't that all that matters) :) -p -- Original Message -- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:06:59 - I like the new design, but it still suffers from the old back button problem which is a real usability issue; I preferred the old site : much cleaner. -Original Message- From: Andre Mohamed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 10:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Pity the top toolbar on the home page doesn't work how it's supposed to :) Other than that, looks great. I wouldn't like to load it over a modem though! -Original Message- From: Oliver Cookson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 09:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: New Macromedia.com launched! Maybe there has already been a post, if not there is now! :) The new Macromedia.com has been launched and its looks excellent (if a little slow in places). Well done MM. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:11 AM, paris lundis wrote: They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map The locations of sections and applications on the site should not have changed, although in many cases, the navigation has. If you find that you are not able to locate something quickly, it would be a big help if you could let us know: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/mm_feedback.html (The Exchange issue has been noted.) We know there are still some rough edges, and we will get them worked out. Just keep in mind that this project was a massive effort, so it will take a little time to get all the kinks worked out. Christian ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
The new macromedia.com is certainly a next generation site, and unfortunately, there are going to be issues like the ones you mention below. I hope people can take the time to let us know when they find things like this by going to the following URL: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/mm_feedback.html I remember when I first used OS X (also a complete re-write and next generation project) it was VERY rough at first, and had issue ranging from performance to compatibility. Over time, however, it has really been refined into an excellent and extremely advanced OS. To some extent, these types of issues are the price you pay when you take big steps forward. Someone has to be pushing the envelope, though, and I'm glad it's Macromedia. Christian On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Jillian Carroll wrote: I'm surprised MM would launch this site given: - Jakob Neilson (and other usability professionals) are going to be watching - They are trying to 'sell sell sell' the idea that Flash has matured and is now faster, friendlier, etc. For my own interest, I checked out the site in several browsers: - NS 6.2.3 and 7.1 (seems to work nearly as I imagine is intended) - NS 4.79 (very little of the site can be seen) - NS 4.78 (much like 4.79, very little can be seen, and the links that are visible, aren't functional) - Mozilla 1.1 (depricates nicely w/o Flash in this browser) - IE 6 (the links in the main 'top' bar don't work properly) It's unfortunate. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2003 9:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I can't say I am too happy with the new site (it was nice to look at first off and in all honesty: It seems a gimmick), but I cant see how you could have failed to find the exchanges : www.macromedia.com/exchange -Original Message- From: paris lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 15:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... But hey it's pretty. (Isn't that all that matters) :) -p -- Original Message -- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:06:59 - I like the new design, but it still suffers from the old back button problem which is a real usability issue; I preferred the old site : much cleaner. -Original Message- From: Andre Mohamed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 10:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Pity the top toolbar on the home page doesn't work how it's supposed to :) Other than that, looks great. I wouldn't like to load it over a modem though! -Original Message- From: Oliver Cookson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 09:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: New Macromedia.com launched! Maybe there has already been a post, if not there is now! :) The new Macromedia.com has been launched and its looks excellent (if a little slow in places). Well done MM. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Well, yeah, but shouldn't it decay properly, and let me know I don't have the latest plugin? Instead, I get a blank page. I'd get fired for deploying a page that didn't properly detect my plugin version. I develop in ColdFusion *and Flash*! My plugin is pretty current. Willy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/05/03 08:57AM I suspect the browsers which are failing such as Netscape is due to the fact the Flash Player is out of date (I think we are up to 6,0,79,0 or something?!) -Original Message- From: Jillian Carroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 15:50 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I'm surprised MM would launch this site given: - Jakob Neilson (and other usability professionals) are going to be watching - They are trying to 'sell sell sell' the idea that Flash has matured and is now faster, friendlier, etc. For my own interest, I checked out the site in several browsers: - NS 6.2.3 and 7.1 (seems to work nearly as I imagine is intended) - NS 4.79 (very little of the site can be seen) - NS 4.78 (much like 4.79, very little can be seen, and the links that are visible, aren't functional) - Mozilla 1.1 (depricates nicely w/o Flash in this browser) - IE 6 (the links in the main 'top' bar don't work properly) It's unfortunate. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2003 9:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I can't say I am too happy with the new site (it was nice to look at first off and in all honesty: It seems a gimmick), but I cant see how you could have failed to find the exchanges : www.macromedia.com/exchange -Original Message- From: paris lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 15:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... But hey it's pretty. (Isn't that all that matters) :) -p -- Original Message -- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:06:59 - I like the new design, but it still suffers from the old back button problem which is a real usability issue; I preferred the old site : much cleaner. -Original Message- From: Andre Mohamed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 10:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Pity the top toolbar on the home page doesn't work how it's supposed to :) Other than that, looks great. I wouldn't like to load it over a modem though! -Original Message- From: Oliver Cookson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 09:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: New Macromedia.com launched! Maybe there has already been a post, if not there is now! :) The new Macromedia.com has been launched and its looks excellent (if a little slow in places). Well done MM. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 11:02:27 AM, you wrote: CC We know there are still some rough edges, and we will get them worked CC out. Just keep in mind that this project was a massive effort, so it CC will take a little time to get all the kinks worked out. This would be the crux of the matter to me. While I have issues with the site, I'd like anyone who has ever had an absolutely perfect web site rollout the scale of the new macromedia.com, to please raise their hand... Didn't think so :) -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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If it's a beta version, why is it public then? I mean, I wouldn't think that it's a good practice to put your beta's directly out to the public. Just my 2 cents. Scott -Original Message- From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Come on guys... it is a Beta version. Is there only never happy people on this list? Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... I disagree about the bad design and confusing things arguments (... agree about the slow one). The organisation of the site seems to be much clear than the previous one. The home page is not intended to ColdFusion Developers... but any kind of audience, that's why it requires a flashy brand/corporate lookfeel. If you don't like it, just go directly to http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/, you don't have to go through it. (there was already a big marketing flash movie in the previous home page) They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map Not very hard... Select Product ColdFusion MX on the home page, and then you'll get a direct access to the exchange. (and it will remember this setting) That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... Once you have selected Newest, it will also remember this settings for your next visit (no changes to your historical habits). Come on guys, move forward... Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:59 AM, Benoit Hediard wrote: They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map Not very hard... Select Product ColdFusion MX on the home page, and then you'll get a direct access to the exchange. (and it will remember this setting) This is actually a very important point. When you load a page containing one more more RIAs, it is very likely going to take longer than just loading a straightforward HTML page, however interacting with RIAs, in the long run, should save you several clicks. And the fact that it remembers your selection is pretty ingenious, so basically, I now have a slightly customized version of the Macromedia home page that contains links directly to not just the product I am usually interested in, but different pages within that product section (including the exchange). Christian ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Tried to use opera 7 and it just keeps reloading the main page. -Original Message- From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:17 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 11:02:27 AM, you wrote: CC We know there are still some rough edges, and we will get them CC worked out. Just keep in mind that this project was a massive CC effort, so it will take a little time to get all the kinks worked CC out. This would be the crux of the matter to me. While I have issues with the site, I'd like anyone who has ever had an absolutely perfect web site rollout the scale of the new macromedia.com, to please raise their hand... Didn't think so :) -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Does MM really think that all developers have broadband??? I'm on a lan now, and it takes a while to load. I can't imagine how long it will take my home PC on a dial-up. Scott -Original Message- From: Oliver Cookson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: New Macromedia.com launched! Maybe there has already been a post, if not there is now! :) The new Macromedia.com has been launched and its looks excellent (if a little slow in places). Well done MM. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
The exchange is linked from the Download page, which itself is linked from virtually every page on the site. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: paris lundis [EMAIL PROTECTED] They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Benoit - First point, if it's beta, why is it on their production site? Furthermore, it fails some of the most basic requirements (i.e. document validity). Moreover, it doesn't even have alt tags on some images. Second, Flash, in of itself, may not be bad design or confusing, but it certainly is not good design to bury flashless design under accessibility. Where's the user control? Where is the alternative design? Moreover, it's not good design to force the download of a new plugin. Frankly, it didn't work when I said no. Moreover, while the organization is better, it's still not good. If the complaint is there's a lot there, check out IBM.com. Finally, have you tried to get to the gallery without Flash or Javascript? Good luck. I think that everyone appreciates the fact they're trying to move forward, but for a company focused on creating web tools, it should be an example. Frankly, There's no excuse. Mike Wokasch ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
If it's a beta version, why is it public then? Sometimes when you are trying to experiment new things, you don't have any choices than to experiment live. Look at Google News (http://news.google.com/), it has been launch to the public several months ago (nearly a year) and it is still Google News Beta. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Scott Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 5 mars 2003 17:21 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: New Macromedia.com launched! If it's a beta version, why is it public then? I mean, I wouldn't think that it's a good practice to put your beta's directly out to the public. Just my 2 cents. Scott -Original Message- From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Come on guys... it is a Beta version. Is there only never happy people on this list? Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... I disagree about the bad design and confusing things arguments (... agree about the slow one). The organisation of the site seems to be much clear than the previous one. The home page is not intended to ColdFusion Developers... but any kind of audience, that's why it requires a flashy brand/corporate lookfeel. If you don't like it, just go directly to http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/, you don't have to go through it. (there was already a big marketing flash movie in the previous home page) They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map Not very hard... Select Product ColdFusion MX on the home page, and then you'll get a direct access to the exchange. (and it will remember this setting) That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... Once you have selected Newest, it will also remember this settings for your next visit (no changes to your historical habits). Come on guys, move forward... Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
That is the biggest load of BS i've heard all day. Its a website! Test the crap before you upload it, if you dont have a QA deptment get one. If you do have one fire the people because they obviously don't know what they are doing. You can't release a site that doesn't even let you see the front page with a browser like Opera. I run it on IE and its slow as anything. Its like macromedia never stops to think before it releases things lol. Hopefully they fix the opera thing quickly. I mean its only a browser with 10%, and growing, of the market. - Original Message - From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! The new macromedia.com is certainly a next generation site, and unfortunately, there are going to be issues like the ones you mention below. I hope people can take the time to let us know when they find things like this by going to the following URL: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/mm_feedback.html I remember when I first used OS X (also a complete re-write and next generation project) it was VERY rough at first, and had issue ranging from performance to compatibility. Over time, however, it has really been refined into an excellent and extremely advanced OS. To some extent, these types of issues are the price you pay when you take big steps forward. Someone has to be pushing the envelope, though, and I'm glad it's Macromedia. Christian On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Jillian Carroll wrote: I'm surprised MM would launch this site given: - Jakob Neilson (and other usability professionals) are going to be watching - They are trying to 'sell sell sell' the idea that Flash has matured and is now faster, friendlier, etc. For my own interest, I checked out the site in several browsers: - NS 6.2.3 and 7.1 (seems to work nearly as I imagine is intended) - NS 4.79 (very little of the site can be seen) - NS 4.78 (much like 4.79, very little can be seen, and the links that are visible, aren't functional) - Mozilla 1.1 (depricates nicely w/o Flash in this browser) - IE 6 (the links in the main 'top' bar don't work properly) It's unfortunate. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2003 9:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I can't say I am too happy with the new site (it was nice to look at first off and in all honesty: It seems a gimmick), but I cant see how you could have failed to find the exchanges : www.macromedia.com/exchange -Original Message- From: paris lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 15:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... But hey it's pretty. (Isn't that all that matters) :) -p -- Original Message -- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:06:59 - I like the new design, but it still suffers from the old back button problem which is a real usability issue; I preferred the old site : much cleaner. -Original Message- From: Andre Mohamed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 10:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Pity the top toolbar on the home page doesn't work how it's supposed to :) Other than that, looks great. I wouldn't like to load it over a modem though! -Original Message- From: Oliver Cookson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 09:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: New Macromedia.com launched! Maybe there has already been a post, if not there is now! :) The new Macromedia.com has been launched and its looks excellent (if a little slow in places). Well done MM. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
And nothing against you Christian i'm sure if it was upto you they would test these things first so you didn't have to listen to us complain :) - Original Message - From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! The new macromedia.com is certainly a next generation site, and unfortunately, there are going to be issues like the ones you mention below. I hope people can take the time to let us know when they find things like this by going to the following URL: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/mm_feedback.html I remember when I first used OS X (also a complete re-write and next generation project) it was VERY rough at first, and had issue ranging from performance to compatibility. Over time, however, it has really been refined into an excellent and extremely advanced OS. To some extent, these types of issues are the price you pay when you take big steps forward. Someone has to be pushing the envelope, though, and I'm glad it's Macromedia. Christian On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Jillian Carroll wrote: I'm surprised MM would launch this site given: - Jakob Neilson (and other usability professionals) are going to be watching - They are trying to 'sell sell sell' the idea that Flash has matured and is now faster, friendlier, etc. For my own interest, I checked out the site in several browsers: - NS 6.2.3 and 7.1 (seems to work nearly as I imagine is intended) - NS 4.79 (very little of the site can be seen) - NS 4.78 (much like 4.79, very little can be seen, and the links that are visible, aren't functional) - Mozilla 1.1 (depricates nicely w/o Flash in this browser) - IE 6 (the links in the main 'top' bar don't work properly) It's unfortunate. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2003 9:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I can't say I am too happy with the new site (it was nice to look at first off and in all honesty: It seems a gimmick), but I cant see how you could have failed to find the exchanges : www.macromedia.com/exchange -Original Message- From: paris lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 15:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... But hey it's pretty. (Isn't that all that matters) :) -p -- Original Message -- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:06:59 - I like the new design, but it still suffers from the old back button problem which is a real usability issue; I preferred the old site : much cleaner. -Original Message- From: Andre Mohamed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 10:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Pity the top toolbar on the home page doesn't work how it's supposed to :) Other than that, looks great. I wouldn't like to load it over a modem though! -Original Message- From: Oliver Cookson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 09:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: New Macromedia.com launched! Maybe there has already been a post, if not there is now! :) The new Macromedia.com has been launched and its looks excellent (if a little slow in places). Well done MM. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
Yea but the issue with the mm home page is that it takes initially a while to load, then every click I make has this sluggishness to it, and most of the buttons create a page request which seems contradict macromedia flashes power of reducing http requests. On a few flash lists I am active on general consensus is negative... I definately share that..Although design is very nice and clean - it seems like last years trend. Perks and snappy elements such as the previous shortcuts worked MUCH faster, drop down lists on old site had some flare and animation to them - even things like on focus color change in the text box is removed. And those shortcuts - they are amazingly slow for me. I have on one of my sites drop downs pulling from a mere access database with coldfusion as server side that work substantially faster. Can't help but not be to thrilled. Yesterday - I also went in because I needed to research some technotes.. I gave up. I closed the site and visited some other resources. While I am sure that macr designers and flash developers worked hard and it is an all around nice app - I can't help but be sad about the change. I would have sent clients to macromedia home page on old site for them to see a glimpse of flash in user on hybrid pages.. Now I wouldn't send a client to review that home page. just my 02. I don't know what the focus was and this is beta - but I for one hope the second release is much faster and wow. The site and it's features are just all around sluggish for me.. first request, and all requests after that. As for the interface remember what you last clicked - I don't mean to sound like an ass- but not ingenious. Useful occasionally but many of us flash people have been doing that for the last year through session vars and cookies. As a base architecture and layout - I think it shows potential if the speed can be seriously increased. but then again - it's just my 02 cents and who am I but a mere simple multiple visit daily user.. jay miller Christian Cantrell wrote: On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:59 AM, Benoit Hediard wrote: They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map Not very hard... Select Product ColdFusion MX on the home page, and then you'll get a direct access to the exchange. (and it will remember this setting) This is actually a very important point. When you load a page containing one more more RIAs, it is very likely going to take longer than just loading a straightforward HTML page, however interacting with RIAs, in the long run, should save you several clicks. And the fact that it remembers your selection is pretty ingenious, so basically, I now have a slightly customized version of the Macromedia home page that contains links directly to not just the product I am usually interested in, but different pages within that product section (including the exchange). Christian ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
-- Original Message -- From: Benoit Hediard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Come on guys... it is a Beta version. If it's truly a Beta version as it says, then going to http://www.macromedia.com should not go to the new site. It should go to the old site with a Check out our beta site! link. Doesn't Macromedia advise against putting Beta products into production? Apparently not with their web site. (Personally, I haven't noticed any bugs on IE5.5 Win2K, but I I was bugged by them saying it's a beta site). Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Yeah, but Google News works... Sorry. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/05/03 09:40AM If it's a beta version, why is it public then? Sometimes when you are trying to experiment new things, you don't have any choices than to experiment live. Look at Google News (http://news.google.com/), it has been launch to the public several months ago (nearly a year) and it is still Google News Beta. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Scott Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EnvoyT : mercredi 5 mars 2003 17:21 + : CF-Talk Objet : RE: New Macromedia.com launched! If it's a beta version, why is it public then? I mean, I wouldn't think that it's a good practice to put your beta's directly out to the public. Just my 2 cents. Scott -Original Message- From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Come on guys... it is a Beta version. Is there only never happy people on this list? Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... I disagree about the bad design and confusing things arguments (... agree about the slow one). The organisation of the site seems to be much clear than the previous one. The home page is not intended to ColdFusion Developers... but any kind of audience, that's why it requires a flashy brand/corporate lookfeel. If you don't like it, just go directly to http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/, you don't have to go through it. (there was already a big marketing flash movie in the previous home page) They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map Not very hard... Select Product ColdFusion MX on the home page, and then you'll get a direct access to the exchange. (and it will remember this setting) That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... Once you have selected Newest, it will also remember this settings for your next visit (no changes to your historical habits). Come on guys, move forward... Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Interesting that you pick google. You can test live without making it your main site. People understand that news.google.com is testing. Not obvious that the www.macromedia.com site is the same. Moreover, the focus of google.com is not the news, it's another function. People can still use www.google.com without worrying about whether or not news.google.com. No one has a perfect launch, but this isn't even close. Mike Wokasch P.S. I'm done complaining. What's done is done, and hopefully they fix their problems sooner than they have with MX Linux ;) ** If it's a beta version, why is it public then? Sometimes when you are trying to experiment new things, you don't have any choices than to experiment live. Look at Google News (http://news.google.com/), it has been launch to the public several months ago (nearly a year) and it is still Google News Beta. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Scott Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 5 mars 2003 17:21 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: New Macromedia.com launched! If it's a beta version, why is it public then? I mean, I wouldn't think that it's a good practice to put your beta's directly out to the public. Just my 2 cents. Scott -Original Message- From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Come on guys... it is a Beta version. Is there only never happy people on this list? Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... I disagree about the bad design and confusing things arguments (... agree about the slow one). The organisation of the site seems to be much clear than the previous one. The home page is not intended to ColdFusion Developers... but any kind of audience, that's why it requires a flashy brand/corporate lookfeel. If you don't like it, just go directly to http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/, you don't have to go through it. (there was already a big marketing flash movie in the previous home page) They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map... ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Let's get Jakob Nielsen to end this -Original Message- From: Jason Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Yea but the issue with the mm home page is that it takes initially a while to load, then every click I make has this sluggishness to it, and most of the buttons create a page request which seems contradict macromedia flashes power of reducing http requests. On a few flash lists I am active on general consensus is negative... I definately share that..Although design is very nice and clean - it seems like last years trend. Perks and snappy elements such as the previous shortcuts worked MUCH faster, drop down lists on old site had some flare and animation to them - even things like on focus color change in the text box is removed. And those shortcuts - they are amazingly slow for me. I have on one of my sites drop downs pulling from a mere access database with coldfusion as server side that work substantially faster. Can't help but not be to thrilled. Yesterday - I also went in because I needed to research some technotes.. I gave up. I closed the site and visited some other resources. While I am sure that macr designers and flash developers worked hard and it is an all around nice app - I can't help but be sad about the change. I would have sent clients to macromedia home page on old site for them to see a glimpse of flash in user on hybrid pages.. Now I wouldn't send a client to review that home page. just my 02. I don't know what the focus was and this is beta - but I for one hope the second release is much faster and wow. The site and it's features are just all around sluggish for me.. first request, and all requests after that. As for the interface remember what you last clicked - I don't mean to sound like an ass- but not ingenious. Useful occasionally but many of us flash people have been doing that for the last year through session vars and cookies. As a base architecture and layout - I think it shows potential if the speed can be seriously increased. but then again - it's just my 02 cents and who am I but a mere simple multiple visit daily user.. jay miller Christian Cantrell wrote: On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:59 AM, Benoit Hediard wrote: They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map Not very hard... Select Product ColdFusion MX on the home page, and then you'll get a direct access to the exchange. (and it will remember this setting) This is actually a very important point. When you load a page containing one more more RIAs, it is very likely going to take longer than just loading a straightforward HTML page, however interacting with RIAs, in the long run, should save you several clicks. And the fact that it remembers your selection is pretty ingenious, so basically, I now have a slightly customized version of the Macromedia home page that contains links directly to not just the product I am usually interested in, but different pages within that product section (including the exchange). Christian ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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You know that MM is not the only site that does not work well with Opera. Wells Fargo Bank's On-Line banking does not work well either. There are a few others that do not work with Opera, so MM is not the only one out there that is not checking for that browser. Why not apply yourself to the QA department if Opera compatibility is such an issue? Personally I do not have any problems loading the new site in IE. I am viewing it on a Dell Inspiron, 1.5 GHZ Pentium 4 processor with a half a gig of RAM, and it is running just fine. Maybe Opera needs to get on board and make their browser work with other companies sites? - Original Message - From: Bill Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! That is the biggest load of BS i've heard all day. Its a website! Test the crap before you upload it, if you dont have a QA deptment get one. If you do have one fire the people because they obviously don't know what they are doing. You can't release a site that doesn't even let you see the front page with a browser like Opera. I run it on IE and its slow as anything. Its like macromedia never stops to think before it releases things lol. Hopefully they fix the opera thing quickly. I mean its only a browser with 10%, and growing, of the market. - Original Message - From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! The new macromedia.com is certainly a next generation site, and unfortunately, there are going to be issues like the ones you mention below. I hope people can take the time to let us know when they find things like this by going to the following URL: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/mm_feedback.html I remember when I first used OS X (also a complete re-write and next generation project) it was VERY rough at first, and had issue ranging from performance to compatibility. Over time, however, it has really been refined into an excellent and extremely advanced OS. To some extent, these types of issues are the price you pay when you take big steps forward. Someone has to be pushing the envelope, though, and I'm glad it's Macromedia. Christian On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Jillian Carroll wrote: I'm surprised MM would launch this site given: - Jakob Neilson (and other usability professionals) are going to be watching - They are trying to 'sell sell sell' the idea that Flash has matured and is now faster, friendlier, etc. For my own interest, I checked out the site in several browsers: - NS 6.2.3 and 7.1 (seems to work nearly as I imagine is intended) - NS 4.79 (very little of the site can be seen) - NS 4.78 (much like 4.79, very little can be seen, and the links that are visible, aren't functional) - Mozilla 1.1 (depricates nicely w/o Flash in this browser) - IE 6 (the links in the main 'top' bar don't work properly) It's unfortunate. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2003 9:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I can't say I am too happy with the new site (it was nice to look at first off and in all honesty: It seems a gimmick), but I cant see how you could have failed to find the exchanges : www.macromedia.com/exchange -Original Message- From: paris lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 15:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... But hey it's pretty. (Isn't that all that matters) :) -p -- Original Message -- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:06:59 - I like the new design, but it still suffers from the old back button problem which is a real usability issue; I preferred the old site : much cleaner. -Original Message- From: Andre Mohamed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 10:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Pity the top toolbar on the home page doesn't work how it's supposed to :) Other than
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Hi Mike, Furthermore, it fails some of the most basic requirements (i.e. document validity). I don't think that XHTML compliance is so important, as soon as the site provides XML-compliant feeds of its content. Second, Flash, in of itself, may not be bad design or confusing, but it certainly is not good design to bury flashless design under accessibility. Where's the user control? Where is the alternative design? Moreover, it's not good design to force the download of a new plugin. Frankly, it didn't work when I said no. Moreover, while the organization is better, it's still not good. If the complaint is there's a lot there, check out IBM.com. Sorry, but in my opinion, IBM.com is a very bad example in terms of navigation and user interface. (I know, it is a huge site and the task is very complex...) Have you ever tried to find content in it? Few days ago, I was looking at their PLM section, and depending on where I was clicking, the left navigation menu was not the same (depending on which server I was)... Finally, have you tried to get to the gallery without Flash or Javascript? Good luck. No, I haven't tried. Very few people disable Javascript (perhaps some web developers... ;) ). As for Flash, MM is trying to push their RIAs concept, so this is normal. Frankly, There's no excuse. Nobody is perfect... We will see what MM can do during the following months to improve all of this, especially the speed. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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hehe. Maybe this will explain why they did it? http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mmwebsite/articles/devnet_experience.html :) Pablo - Original Message - From: Willy Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:53 AM Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Yeah, but Google News works... Sorry. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/05/03 09:40AM If it's a beta version, why is it public then? Sometimes when you are trying to experiment new things, you don't have any choices than to experiment live. Look at Google News (http://news.google.com/), it has been launch to the public several months ago (nearly a year) and it is still Google News Beta. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Scott Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EnvoyT : mercredi 5 mars 2003 17:21 + : CF-Talk Objet : RE: New Macromedia.com launched! If it's a beta version, why is it public then? I mean, I wouldn't think that it's a good practice to put your beta's directly out to the public. Just my 2 cents. Scott -Original Message- From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Come on guys... it is a Beta version. Is there only never happy people on this list? Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... I disagree about the bad design and confusing things arguments (... agree about the slow one). The organisation of the site seems to be much clear than the previous one. The home page is not intended to ColdFusion Developers... but any kind of audience, that's why it requires a flashy brand/corporate lookfeel. If you don't like it, just go directly to http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/, you don't have to go through it. (there was already a big marketing flash movie in the previous home page) They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map Not very hard... Select Product ColdFusion MX on the home page, and then you'll get a direct access to the exchange. (and it will remember this setting) That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... Once you have selected Newest, it will also remember this settings for your next visit (no changes to your historical habits). Come on guys, move forward... Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Scott Wilhelm wrote: Does MM really think that all developers have broadband??? I'm on a lan now, and it takes a while to load. I can't imagine how long it will take my home PC on a dial-up. Run a counter on your connection, client side bandwidth is not the issue, it is something else. I mean, if the whole time I am waiting for the Downloads page it was maxing out my connection the page would be about 100 MB, while netstat -e says sit is only about 50 kB. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Tell me about it... it sure would be nice on all of us if all the browsers would get together and use a single standard but that isn't the case (and probably wont ever be the case :) It just would be nice if it was :) Site runs fine for me too, the only complaint I have it that I was actually getting used to finding things on the site and now I have to start all over... but hey, at least it's better then trying to find something on Microsofts web site ;) Pablo - Original Message - From: Bruce Sorge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! You know that MM is not the only site that does not work well with Opera. Wells Fargo Bank's On-Line banking does not work well either. There are a few others that do not work with Opera, so MM is not the only one out there that is not checking for that browser. Why not apply yourself to the QA department if Opera compatibility is such an issue? Personally I do not have any problems loading the new site in IE. I am viewing it on a Dell Inspiron, 1.5 GHZ Pentium 4 processor with a half a gig of RAM, and it is running just fine. Maybe Opera needs to get on board and make their browser work with other companies sites? - Original Message - From: Bill Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! That is the biggest load of BS i've heard all day. Its a website! Test the crap before you upload it, if you dont have a QA deptment get one. If you do have one fire the people because they obviously don't know what they are doing. You can't release a site that doesn't even let you see the front page with a browser like Opera. I run it on IE and its slow as anything. Its like macromedia never stops to think before it releases things lol. Hopefully they fix the opera thing quickly. I mean its only a browser with 10%, and growing, of the market. - Original Message - From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! The new macromedia.com is certainly a next generation site, and unfortunately, there are going to be issues like the ones you mention below. I hope people can take the time to let us know when they find things like this by going to the following URL: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/mm_feedback.html I remember when I first used OS X (also a complete re-write and next generation project) it was VERY rough at first, and had issue ranging from performance to compatibility. Over time, however, it has really been refined into an excellent and extremely advanced OS. To some extent, these types of issues are the price you pay when you take big steps forward. Someone has to be pushing the envelope, though, and I'm glad it's Macromedia. Christian On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Jillian Carroll wrote: I'm surprised MM would launch this site given: - Jakob Neilson (and other usability professionals) are going to be watching - They are trying to 'sell sell sell' the idea that Flash has matured and is now faster, friendlier, etc. For my own interest, I checked out the site in several browsers: - NS 6.2.3 and 7.1 (seems to work nearly as I imagine is intended) - NS 4.79 (very little of the site can be seen) - NS 4.78 (much like 4.79, very little can be seen, and the links that are visible, aren't functional) - Mozilla 1.1 (depricates nicely w/o Flash in this browser) - IE 6 (the links in the main 'top' bar don't work properly) It's unfortunate. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2003 9:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I can't say I am too happy with the new site (it was nice to look at first off and in all honesty: It seems a gimmick), but I cant see how you could have failed to find the exchanges : www.macromedia.com/exchange -Original Message- From: paris lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 15:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen
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Well in the same breath I don't have too many postive things to mention about jakob neilsen.. some points useful - many just to far on one end of a spectrum... but there are forums on that alone :) Turetsky, Seth wrote: Let's get Jakob Nielsen to end this -Original Message- From: Jason Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Yea but the issue with the mm home page is that it takes initially a while to load, then every click I make has this sluggishness to it, and most of the buttons create a page request which seems contradict macromedia flashes power of reducing http requests. On a few flash lists I am active on general consensus is negative... I definately share that..Although design is very nice and clean - it seems like last years trend. Perks and snappy elements such as the previous shortcuts worked MUCH faster, drop down lists on old site had some flare and animation to them - even things like on focus color change in the text box is removed. And those shortcuts - they are amazingly slow for me. I have on one of my sites drop downs pulling from a mere access database with coldfusion as server side that work substantially faster. Can't help but not be to thrilled. Yesterday - I also went in because I needed to research some technotes.. I gave up. I closed the site and visited some other resources. While I am sure that macr designers and flash developers worked hard and it is an all around nice app - I can't help but be sad about the change. I would have sent clients to macromedia home page on old site for them to see a glimpse of flash in user on hybrid pages.. Now I wouldn't send a client to review that home page. just my 02. I don't know what the focus was and this is beta - but I for one hope the second release is much faster and wow. The site and it's features are just all around sluggish for me.. first request, and all requests after that. As for the interface remember what you last clicked - I don't mean to sound like an ass- but not ingenious. Useful occasionally but many of us flash people have been doing that for the last year through session vars and cookies. As a base architecture and layout - I think it shows potential if the speed can be seriously increased. but then again - it's just my 02 cents and who am I but a mere simple multiple visit daily user.. jay miller Christian Cantrell wrote: On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:59 AM, Benoit Hediard wrote: They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map Not very hard... Select Product ColdFusion MX on the home page, and then you'll get a direct access to the exchange. (and it will remember this setting) This is actually a very important point. When you load a page containing one more more RIAs, it is very likely going to take longer than just loading a straightforward HTML page, however interacting with RIAs, in the long run, should save you several clicks. And the fact that it remembers your selection is pretty ingenious, so basically, I now have a slightly customized version of the Macromedia home page that contains links directly to not just the product I am usually interested in, but different pages within that product section (including the exchange). Christian ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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All due respect to Mr. Neilsen, but he's a boring old codger. While usability is important it's NOT the be-all end-all of web design and development. I'm not sure how he became the de-facto lord of web usability, but a lot of his ideas are contrary to what has worked in print marketing for decades. The web is not JUST about information - people are inherently aesthetic, it's our universal language and visual language is stronger than any other. People pay more attention to visual design than they realize - it affects you on the subconscious level and honestly, your brain pays more attention to the visual than the content in the long run. When you dream you dream in pictures, icons and symbols, not pages and pages of black and white text with blue links. If Jacob Neilsen's logic was applied to design outside the web all those universally-understood handicapped signs would be replaced with 4 foot wide black and white banners that read HANDICAPPED. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 * Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -Original Message- From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Let's get Jakob Nielsen to end this -Original Message- From: Jason Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Yea but the issue with the mm home page is that it takes initially a while to load, then every click I make has this sluggishness to it, and most of the buttons create a page request which seems contradict macromedia flashes power of reducing http requests. On a few flash lists I am active on general consensus is negative... I definately share that..Although design is very nice and clean - it seems like last years trend. Perks and snappy elements such as the previous shortcuts worked MUCH faster, drop down lists on old site had some flare and animation to them - even things like on focus color change in the text box is removed. And those shortcuts - they are amazingly slow for me. I have on one of my sites drop downs pulling from a mere access database with coldfusion as server side that work substantially faster. Can't help but not be to thrilled. Yesterday - I also went in because I needed to research some technotes.. I gave up. I closed the site and visited some other resources. While I am sure that macr designers and flash developers worked hard and it is an all around nice app - I can't help but be sad about the change. I would have sent clients to macromedia home page on old site for them to see a glimpse of flash in user on hybrid pages.. Now I wouldn't send a client to review that home page. just my 02. I don't know what the focus was and this is beta - but I for one hope the second release is much faster and wow. The site and it's features are just all around sluggish for me.. first request, and all requests after that. As for the interface remember what you last clicked - I don't mean to sound like an ass- but not ingenious. Useful occasionally but many of us flash people have been doing that for the last year through session vars and cookies. As a base architecture and layout - I think it shows potential if the speed can be seriously increased. but then again - it's just my 02 cents and who am I but a mere simple multiple visit daily user.. jay miller Christian Cantrell wrote: On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:59 AM, Benoit Hediard wrote: They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map Not very hard... Select Product ColdFusion MX on the home page, and then you'll get a direct access to the exchange. (and it will remember this setting) This is actually a very important point. When you load a page containing one more more RIAs, it is very likely going to take longer than just loading a straightforward HTML page, however interacting with RIAs, in the long run, should save you several clicks. And the fact that it remembers your selection is pretty ingenious, so basically, I now have
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That's about the dumbest thing I've heard in the conversations today. If 10% of the market uses Opera, it's an established browser...Why shouldn't a site test for it? Especially a company such as Macromedia. They screwed up big time. They designed a site that looks good, tries to do some fancy stuff, but falls short on the big picture, and now needs to work on damage control. Scott -Original Message- From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! You know that MM is not the only site that does not work well with Opera. Wells Fargo Bank's On-Line banking does not work well either. There are a few others that do not work with Opera, so MM is not the only one out there that is not checking for that browser. Why not apply yourself to the QA department if Opera compatibility is such an issue? Personally I do not have any problems loading the new site in IE. I am viewing it on a Dell Inspiron, 1.5 GHZ Pentium 4 processor with a half a gig of RAM, and it is running just fine. Maybe Opera needs to get on board and make their browser work with other companies sites? - Original Message - From: Bill Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! That is the biggest load of BS i've heard all day. Its a website! Test the crap before you upload it, if you dont have a QA deptment get one. If you do have one fire the people because they obviously don't know what they are doing. You can't release a site that doesn't even let you see the front page with a browser like Opera. I run it on IE and its slow as anything. Its like macromedia never stops to think before it releases things lol. Hopefully they fix the opera thing quickly. I mean its only a browser with 10%, and growing, of the market. - Original Message - From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! The new macromedia.com is certainly a next generation site, and unfortunately, there are going to be issues like the ones you mention below. I hope people can take the time to let us know when they find things like this by going to the following URL: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/mm_feedback.html I remember when I first used OS X (also a complete re-write and next generation project) it was VERY rough at first, and had issue ranging from performance to compatibility. Over time, however, it has really been refined into an excellent and extremely advanced OS. To some extent, these types of issues are the price you pay when you take big steps forward. Someone has to be pushing the envelope, though, and I'm glad it's Macromedia. Christian On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Jillian Carroll wrote: I'm surprised MM would launch this site given: - Jakob Neilson (and other usability professionals) are going to be watching - They are trying to 'sell sell sell' the idea that Flash has matured and is now faster, friendlier, etc. For my own interest, I checked out the site in several browsers: - NS 6.2.3 and 7.1 (seems to work nearly as I imagine is intended) - NS 4.79 (very little of the site can be seen) - NS 4.78 (much like 4.79, very little can be seen, and the links that are visible, aren't functional) - Mozilla 1.1 (depricates nicely w/o Flash in this browser) - IE 6 (the links in the main 'top' bar don't work properly) It's unfortunate. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2003 9:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I can't say I am too happy with the new site (it was nice to look at first off and in all honesty: It seems a gimmick), but I cant see how you could have failed to find the exchanges : www.macromedia.com/exchange -Original Message- From: paris lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 15:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... But hey it's pretty. (Isn't that all that matters) :) -p -- Original Message
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I quite like it (the new site I mean). w -Original Message- From: Pablo Varando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 17:18 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Tell me about it... it sure would be nice on all of us if all the browsers would get together and use a single standard but that isn't the case (and probably wont ever be the case :) It just would be nice if it was :) Site runs fine for me too, the only complaint I have it that I was actually getting used to finding things on the site and now I have to start all over... but hey, at least it's better then trying to find something on Microsofts web site ;) Pablo - Original Message - From: Bruce Sorge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! You know that MM is not the only site that does not work well with Opera. Wells Fargo Bank's On-Line banking does not work well either. There are a few others that do not work with Opera, so MM is not the only one out there that is not checking for that browser. Why not apply yourself to the QA department if Opera compatibility is such an issue? Personally I do not have any problems loading the new site in IE. I am viewing it on a Dell Inspiron, 1.5 GHZ Pentium 4 processor with a half a gig of RAM, and it is running just fine. Maybe Opera needs to get on board and make their browser work with other companies sites? - Original Message - From: Bill Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! That is the biggest load of BS i've heard all day. Its a website! Test the crap before you upload it, if you dont have a QA deptment get one. If you do have one fire the people because they obviously don't know what they are doing. You can't release a site that doesn't even let you see the front page with a browser like Opera. I run it on IE and its slow as anything. Its like macromedia never stops to think before it releases things lol. Hopefully they fix the opera thing quickly. I mean its only a browser with 10%, and growing, of the market. - Original Message - From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! The new macromedia.com is certainly a next generation site, and unfortunately, there are going to be issues like the ones you mention below. I hope people can take the time to let us know when they find things like this by going to the following URL: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/mm_feedback.html I remember when I first used OS X (also a complete re-write and next generation project) it was VERY rough at first, and had issue ranging from performance to compatibility. Over time, however, it has really been refined into an excellent and extremely advanced OS. To some extent, these types of issues are the price you pay when you take big steps forward. Someone has to be pushing the envelope, though, and I'm glad it's Macromedia. Christian On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Jillian Carroll wrote: I'm surprised MM would launch this site given: - Jakob Neilson (and other usability professionals) are going to be watching - They are trying to 'sell sell sell' the idea that Flash has matured and is now faster, friendlier, etc. For my own interest, I checked out the site in several browsers: - NS 6.2.3 and 7.1 (seems to work nearly as I imagine is intended) - NS 4.79 (very little of the site can be seen) - NS 4.78 (much like 4.79, very little can be seen, and the links that are visible, aren't functional) - Mozilla 1.1 (depricates nicely w/o Flash in this browser) - IE 6 (the links in the main 'top' bar don't work properly) It's unfortunate. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2003 9:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I can't say I am too happy with the new site (it was nice to look at first off and in all honesty: It seems a gimmick), but I cant see how you could have failed to find the exchanges : www.macromedia.com/exchange -Original Message- From: paris lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 15:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel
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theres a few things I can think of getting Nielsen to end... ;) w -Original Message- From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 16:57 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Let's get Jakob Nielsen to end this -Original Message- From: Jason Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Yea but the issue with the mm home page is that it takes initially a while to load, then every click I make has this sluggishness to it, and most of the buttons create a page request which seems contradict macromedia flashes power of reducing http requests. On a few flash lists I am active on general consensus is negative... I definately share that..Although design is very nice and clean - it seems like last years trend. Perks and snappy elements such as the previous shortcuts worked MUCH faster, drop down lists on old site had some flare and animation to them - even things like on focus color change in the text box is removed. And those shortcuts - they are amazingly slow for me. I have on one of my sites drop downs pulling from a mere access database with coldfusion as server side that work substantially faster. Can't help but not be to thrilled. Yesterday - I also went in because I needed to research some technotes.. I gave up. I closed the site and visited some other resources. While I am sure that macr designers and flash developers worked hard and it is an all around nice app - I can't help but be sad about the change. I would have sent clients to macromedia home page on old site for them to see a glimpse of flash in user on hybrid pages.. Now I wouldn't send a client to review that home page. just my 02. I don't know what the focus was and this is beta - but I for one hope the second release is much faster and wow. The site and it's features are just all around sluggish for me.. first request, and all requests after that. As for the interface remember what you last clicked - I don't mean to sound like an ass- but not ingenious. Useful occasionally but many of us flash people have been doing that for the last year through session vars and cookies. As a base architecture and layout - I think it shows potential if the speed can be seriously increased. but then again - it's just my 02 cents and who am I but a mere simple multiple visit daily user.. jay miller Christian Cantrell wrote: On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:59 AM, Benoit Hediard wrote: They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map Not very hard... Select Product ColdFusion MX on the home page, and then you'll get a direct access to the exchange. (and it will remember this setting) This is actually a very important point. When you load a page containing one more more RIAs, it is very likely going to take longer than just loading a straightforward HTML page, however interacting with RIAs, in the long run, should save you several clicks. And the fact that it remembers your selection is pretty ingenious, so basically, I now have a slightly customized version of the Macromedia home page that contains links directly to not just the product I am usually interested in, but different pages within that product section (including the exchange). Christian ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Bruce Sorge wrote: You know that MM is not the only site that does not work well with Opera. Wells Fargo Bank's On-Line banking does not work well either. Wells Fargo is not a member of the W3C. Macromedia is. It would be nice if the Macromedia website validated to some version of the (X)HTML standard. Then we would not only know who to blame if a certain browser failed to work properly, but it would also be a nice conclusion of the efforts of Macromedia together with the Web Standards Project to make its own tools produce valid (X)HTML and a showcase of the abilities of those tools. Now, we can only guess whether Macromedia or Opera is to blame and wait until somebody produces an XHTML compliant copy of the Macromedia website to prove it is possible, just like in the past Microsoft [1] and others have been proven to just not care about about the standards they produce themselves [2]. Jochem [1] http://www3.sympatico.ca/dylanfoley/pages/test/msn_tidy.html [2] http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I dont think its dumb. It makes perfect sense. Just because 10% of the browser market could be Opera, it doesn't mean to say that all 10% may hit MM or any site for that matter. -Original Message- From: Scott Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 17:21 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! That's about the dumbest thing I've heard in the conversations today. If 10% of the market uses Opera, it's an established browser...Why shouldn't a site test for it? Especially a company such as Macromedia. They screwed up big time. They designed a site that looks good, tries to do some fancy stuff, but falls short on the big picture, and now needs to work on damage control. Scott -Original Message- From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! You know that MM is not the only site that does not work well with Opera. Wells Fargo Bank's On-Line banking does not work well either. There are a few others that do not work with Opera, so MM is not the only one out there that is not checking for that browser. Why not apply yourself to the QA department if Opera compatibility is such an issue? Personally I do not have any problems loading the new site in IE. I am viewing it on a Dell Inspiron, 1.5 GHZ Pentium 4 processor with a half a gig of RAM, and it is running just fine. Maybe Opera needs to get on board and make their browser work with other companies sites? - Original Message - From: Bill Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! That is the biggest load of BS i've heard all day. Its a website! Test the crap before you upload it, if you dont have a QA deptment get one. If you do have one fire the people because they obviously don't know what they are doing. You can't release a site that doesn't even let you see the front page with a browser like Opera. I run it on IE and its slow as anything. Its like macromedia never stops to think before it releases things lol. Hopefully they fix the opera thing quickly. I mean its only a browser with 10%, and growing, of the market. - Original Message - From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! The new macromedia.com is certainly a next generation site, and unfortunately, there are going to be issues like the ones you mention below. I hope people can take the time to let us know when they find things like this by going to the following URL: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/mm_feedback.html I remember when I first used OS X (also a complete re-write and next generation project) it was VERY rough at first, and had issue ranging from performance to compatibility. Over time, however, it has really been refined into an excellent and extremely advanced OS. To some extent, these types of issues are the price you pay when you take big steps forward. Someone has to be pushing the envelope, though, and I'm glad it's Macromedia. Christian On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Jillian Carroll wrote: I'm surprised MM would launch this site given: - Jakob Neilson (and other usability professionals) are going to be watching - They are trying to 'sell sell sell' the idea that Flash has matured and is now faster, friendlier, etc. For my own interest, I checked out the site in several browsers: - NS 6.2.3 and 7.1 (seems to work nearly as I imagine is intended) - NS 4.79 (very little of the site can be seen) - NS 4.78 (much like 4.79, very little can be seen, and the links that are visible, aren't functional) - Mozilla 1.1 (depricates nicely w/o Flash in this browser) - IE 6 (the links in the main 'top' bar don't work properly) It's unfortunate. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2003 9:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I can't say I am too happy with the new site (it was nice to look at first off and in all honesty: It seems a gimmick), but I cant see how you could have failed to find the exchanges : www.macromedia.com/exchange -Original Message- From: paris lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 15:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise
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Don't let a disabled person hear you call them Handicapped, that is the Politically incorrect term (by the way). I took a seminar a while back on Section 508 and they explained that the word Handicap was given to disabled people because most disabled people at the time were Vietnam vets. The word handy capped means to had out a baseball call in and ask for a hand out. Notice that those signs now say Disabled and not handicapped. Just letting ya know... they get really pissed if you call them handicapped ;) Pablo - Original Message - From: Joshua Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! All due respect to Mr. Neilsen, but he's a boring old codger. While usability is important it's NOT the be-all end-all of web design and development. I'm not sure how he became the de-facto lord of web usability, but a lot of his ideas are contrary to what has worked in print marketing for decades. The web is not JUST about information - people are inherently aesthetic, it's our universal language and visual language is stronger than any other. People pay more attention to visual design than they realize - it affects you on the subconscious level and honestly, your brain pays more attention to the visual than the content in the long run. When you dream you dream in pictures, icons and symbols, not pages and pages of black and white text with blue links. If Jacob Neilsen's logic was applied to design outside the web all those universally-understood handicapped signs would be replaced with 4 foot wide black and white banners that read HANDICAPPED. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 * Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -Original Message- From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Let's get Jakob Nielsen to end this -Original Message- From: Jason Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Yea but the issue with the mm home page is that it takes initially a while to load, then every click I make has this sluggishness to it, and most of the buttons create a page request which seems contradict macromedia flashes power of reducing http requests. On a few flash lists I am active on general consensus is negative... I definately share that..Although design is very nice and clean - it seems like last years trend. Perks and snappy elements such as the previous shortcuts worked MUCH faster, drop down lists on old site had some flare and animation to them - even things like on focus color change in the text box is removed. And those shortcuts - they are amazingly slow for me. I have on one of my sites drop downs pulling from a mere access database with coldfusion as server side that work substantially faster. Can't help but not be to thrilled. Yesterday - I also went in because I needed to research some technotes.. I gave up. I closed the site and visited some other resources. While I am sure that macr designers and flash developers worked hard and it is an all around nice app - I can't help but be sad about the change. I would have sent clients to macromedia home page on old site for them to see a glimpse of flash in user on hybrid pages.. Now I wouldn't send a client to review that home page. just my 02. I don't know what the focus was and this is beta - but I for one hope the second release is much faster and wow. The site and it's features are just all around sluggish for me.. first request, and all requests after that. As for the interface remember what you last clicked - I don't mean to sound like an ass- but not ingenious. Useful occasionally but many of us flash people have been doing that for the last year through session vars and cookies. As a base architecture and layout - I think it shows potential if the speed can be seriously increased. but then again - it's just my 02 cents and who am I but a mere simple multiple visit daily user.. jay miller
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Entirely agree -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! All due respect to Mr. Neilsen, but he's a boring old codger. While usability is important it's NOT the be-all end-all of web design and development. I'm not sure how he became the de-facto lord of web usability, but a lot of his ideas are contrary to what has worked in print marketing for decades. The web is not JUST about information - people are inherently aesthetic, it's our universal language and visual language is stronger than any other. People pay more attention to visual design than they realize - it affects you on the subconscious level and honestly, your brain pays more attention to the visual than the content in the long run. When you dream you dream in pictures, icons and symbols, not pages and pages of black and white text with blue links. If Jacob Neilsen's logic was applied to design outside the web all those universally-understood handicapped signs would be replaced with 4 foot wide black and white banners that read HANDICAPPED. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 * Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -Original Message- From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Let's get Jakob Nielsen to end this -Original Message- From: Jason Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Yea but the issue with the mm home page is that it takes initially a while to load, then every click I make has this sluggishness to it, and most of the buttons create a page request which seems contradict macromedia flashes power of reducing http requests. On a few flash lists I am active on general consensus is negative... I definately share that..Although design is very nice and clean - it seems like last years trend. Perks and snappy elements such as the previous shortcuts worked MUCH faster, drop down lists on old site had some flare and animation to them - even things like on focus color change in the text box is removed. And those shortcuts - they are amazingly slow for me. I have on one of my sites drop downs pulling from a mere access database with coldfusion as server side that work substantially faster. Can't help but not be to thrilled. Yesterday - I also went in because I needed to research some technotes.. I gave up. I closed the site and visited some other resources. While I am sure that macr designers and flash developers worked hard and it is an all around nice app - I can't help but be sad about the change. I would have sent clients to macromedia home page on old site for them to see a glimpse of flash in user on hybrid pages.. Now I wouldn't send a client to review that home page. just my 02. I don't know what the focus was and this is beta - but I for one hope the second release is much faster and wow. The site and it's features are just all around sluggish for me.. first request, and all requests after that. As for the interface remember what you last clicked - I don't mean to sound like an ass- but not ingenious. Useful occasionally but many of us flash people have been doing that for the last year through session vars and cookies. As a base architecture and layout - I think it shows potential if the speed can be seriously increased. but then again - it's just my 02 cents and who am I but a mere simple multiple visit daily user.. jay miller Christian Cantrell wrote: On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:59 AM, Benoit Hediard wrote: They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map Not very hard... Select Product ColdFusion MX on the home page, and then you'll get a direct access to the exchange. (and it will remember this setting) This is actually a very important point. When you load a page containing one more more RIAs, it is very likely going to take longer than just loading a straightforward HTML page
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
But from what I hear he's one hell of a dancer! -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! All due respect to Mr. Neilsen, but he's a boring old codger. While usability is important it's NOT the be-all end-all of web design and development. I'm not sure how he became the de-facto lord of web usability, but a lot of his ideas are contrary to what has worked in print marketing for decades. The web is not JUST about information - people are inherently aesthetic, it's our universal language and visual language is stronger than any other. People pay more attention to visual design than they realize - it affects you on the subconscious level and honestly, your brain pays more attention to the visual than the content in the long run. When you dream you dream in pictures, icons and symbols, not pages and pages of black and white text with blue links. If Jacob Neilsen's logic was applied to design outside the web all those universally-understood handicapped signs would be replaced with 4 foot wide black and white banners that read HANDICAPPED. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 * Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -Original Message- From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Let's get Jakob Nielsen to end this -Original Message- From: Jason Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Yea but the issue with the mm home page is that it takes initially a while to load, then every click I make has this sluggishness to it, and most of the buttons create a page request which seems contradict macromedia flashes power of reducing http requests. On a few flash lists I am active on general consensus is negative... I definately share that..Although design is very nice and clean - it seems like last years trend. Perks and snappy elements such as the previous shortcuts worked MUCH faster, drop down lists on old site had some flare and animation to them - even things like on focus color change in the text box is removed. And those shortcuts - they are amazingly slow for me. I have on one of my sites drop downs pulling from a mere access database with coldfusion as server side that work substantially faster. Can't help but not be to thrilled. Yesterday - I also went in because I needed to research some technotes.. I gave up. I closed the site and visited some other resources. While I am sure that macr designers and flash developers worked hard and it is an all around nice app - I can't help but be sad about the change. I would have sent clients to macromedia home page on old site for them to see a glimpse of flash in user on hybrid pages.. Now I wouldn't send a client to review that home page. just my 02. I don't know what the focus was and this is beta - but I for one hope the second release is much faster and wow. The site and it's features are just all around sluggish for me.. first request, and all requests after that. As for the interface remember what you last clicked - I don't mean to sound like an ass- but not ingenious. Useful occasionally but many of us flash people have been doing that for the last year through session vars and cookies. As a base architecture and layout - I think it shows potential if the speed can be seriously increased. but then again - it's just my 02 cents and who am I but a mere simple multiple visit daily user.. jay miller Christian Cantrell wrote: On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:59 AM, Benoit Hediard wrote: They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map Not very hard... Select Product ColdFusion MX on the home page, and then you'll get a direct access to the exchange. (and it will remember this setting) This is actually a very important point. When you load a page containing one more more RIAs, it is very likely going to take longer than just
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
Yea but it wasnt googles man page ;) - Original Message - From: Benoit Hediard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! If it's a beta version, why is it public then? Sometimes when you are trying to experiment new things, you don't have any choices than to experiment live. Look at Google News (http://news.google.com/), it has been launch to the public several months ago (nearly a year) and it is still Google News Beta. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Scott Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 5 mars 2003 17:21 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: New Macromedia.com launched! If it's a beta version, why is it public then? I mean, I wouldn't think that it's a good practice to put your beta's directly out to the public. Just my 2 cents. Scott -Original Message- From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Come on guys... it is a Beta version. Is there only never happy people on this list? Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... I disagree about the bad design and confusing things arguments (... agree about the slow one). The organisation of the site seems to be much clear than the previous one. The home page is not intended to ColdFusion Developers... but any kind of audience, that's why it requires a flashy brand/corporate lookfeel. If you don't like it, just go directly to http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/, you don't have to go through it. (there was already a big marketing flash movie in the previous home page) They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map Not very hard... Select Product ColdFusion MX on the home page, and then you'll get a direct access to the exchange. (and it will remember this setting) That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... Once you have selected Newest, it will also remember this settings for your next visit (no changes to your historical habits). Come on guys, move forward... Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched! - Give it a rest!
Let's get Jakob Nielsen to end this That'd be a waste of time and money... daft old codger!! I wouldn't listen to too much that he says these days - the guy is still stuck in his ways from the early 90's when what he had to say was true and perfectly acceptable for the state of the network and peoples use and abuse of what little bandwidth, hardware and software was available. Some of what he says still holds true, but the guy hasn't move forward at all. He only recently grudgingly accepted that Flash was useful and good in site design when applied appropriately! Its been a while, but the last time I looked at one of his site, I was truely appalled at how badly designed and implemented the site was. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
Scott Wilhelm writes: - snip - If 10% of the market uses Opera, it's an established browser...Why That's a big 'If'. I'm not saying Opera does *not* have 10% of the market, as I've not seen any numbers that would either prove or disprove. But if somebody *does* have stats out there to show 10% Opera usage, I'd love to see it (yes, i -am- skeptical) :) charlie Scott -Original Message- From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! You know that MM is not the only site that does not work well with Opera. Wells Fargo Bank's On-Line banking does not work well either. There are a few others that do not work with Opera, so MM is not the only one out there that is not checking for that browser. Why not apply yourself to the QA department if Opera compatibility is such an issue? Personally I do not have any problems loading the new site in IE. I am viewing it on a Dell Inspiron, 1.5 GHZ Pentium 4 processor with a half a gig of RAM, and it is running just fine. Maybe Opera needs to get on board and make their browser work with other companies sites? - Original Message - From: Bill Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! That is the biggest load of BS i've heard all day. Its a website! Test the crap before you upload it, if you dont have a QA deptment get one. If you do have one fire the people because they obviously don't know what they are doing. You can't release a site that doesn't even let you see the front page with a browser like Opera. I run it on IE and its slow as anything. Its like macromedia never stops to think before it releases things lol. Hopefully they fix the opera thing quickly. I mean its only a browser with 10%, and growing, of the market. - Original Message - From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! The new macromedia.com is certainly a next generation site, and unfortunately, there are going to be issues like the ones you mention below. I hope people can take the time to let us know when they find things like this by going to the following URL: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/mm_feedback.html I remember when I first used OS X (also a complete re-write and next generation project) it was VERY rough at first, and had issue ranging from performance to compatibility. Over time, however, it has really been refined into an excellent and extremely advanced OS. To some extent, these types of issues are the price you pay when you take big steps forward. Someone has to be pushing the envelope, though, and I'm glad it's Macromedia. Christian On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Jillian Carroll wrote: I'm surprised MM would launch this site given: - Jakob Neilson (and other usability professionals) are going to be watching - They are trying to 'sell sell sell' the idea that Flash has matured and is now faster, friendlier, etc. For my own interest, I checked out the site in several browsers: - NS 6.2.3 and 7.1 (seems to work nearly as I imagine is intended) - NS 4.79 (very little of the site can be seen) - NS 4.78 (much like 4.79, very little can be seen, and the links that are visible, aren't functional) - Mozilla 1.1 (depricates nicely w/o Flash in this browser) - IE 6 (the links in the main 'top' bar don't work properly) It's unfortunate. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2003 9:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I can't say I am too happy with the new site (it was nice to look at first off and in all honesty: It seems a gimmick), but I cant see how you could have failed to find the exchanges : www.macromedia.com/exchange -Original Message- From: paris lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 15:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... But hey it's pretty. (Isn't that all that matters) :) -p
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
the issue is here is that it says its XHTML - which it isnt. -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 17:35 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Bruce Sorge wrote: You know that MM is not the only site that does not work well with Opera. Wells Fargo Bank's On-Line banking does not work well either. Wells Fargo is not a member of the W3C. Macromedia is. It would be nice if the Macromedia website validated to some version of the (X)HTML standard. Then we would not only know who to blame if a certain browser failed to work properly, but it would also be a nice conclusion of the efforts of Macromedia together with the Web Standards Project to make its own tools produce valid (X)HTML and a showcase of the abilities of those tools. Now, we can only guess whether Macromedia or Opera is to blame and wait until somebody produces an XHTML compliant copy of the Macromedia website to prove it is possible, just like in the past Microsoft [1] and others have been proven to just not care about about the standards they produce themselves [2]. Jochem [1] http://www3.sympatico.ca/dylanfoley/pages/test/msn_tidy.html [2] http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Please, stop the debate about Opera and its 10% Opera marketshare. I don't know where did you get those 10%. In most browser statistics, Opera is below 1%. Example : WebSideStory's figures were compiled independently based on a random daily sample of 20 million visitors to thousands of Web sites that use its HitBox visitor analysis service. According to data from Monday, 3.4 percent of the visitors were using a Netscape browser, 96 percent using IE and less than one percent were using the Opera browser from Opera Software ASA. From day to day the sample shows some fluctuation, but over the past several weeks Netscape usage hasn't been higher than 4 percent, Johnston said. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Scott Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 5 mars 2003 18:21 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: New Macromedia.com launched! That's about the dumbest thing I've heard in the conversations today. If 10% of the market uses Opera, it's an established browser...Why shouldn't a site test for it? Especially a company such as Macromedia. They screwed up big time. They designed a site that looks good, tries to do some fancy stuff, but falls short on the big picture, and now needs to work on damage control. Scott -Original Message- From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! You know that MM is not the only site that does not work well with Opera. Wells Fargo Bank's On-Line banking does not work well either. There are a few others that do not work with Opera, so MM is not the only one out there that is not checking for that browser. Why not apply yourself to the QA department if Opera compatibility is such an issue? Personally I do not have any problems loading the new site in IE. I am viewing it on a Dell Inspiron, 1.5 GHZ Pentium 4 processor with a half a gig of RAM, and it is running just fine. Maybe Opera needs to get on board and make their browser work with other companies sites? - Original Message - From: Bill Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! That is the biggest load of BS i've heard all day. Its a website! Test the crap before you upload it, if you dont have a QA deptment get one. If you do have one fire the people because they obviously don't know what they are doing. You can't release a site that doesn't even let you see the front page with a browser like Opera. I run it on IE and its slow as anything. Its like macromedia never stops to think before it releases things lol. Hopefully they fix the opera thing quickly. I mean its only a browser with 10%, and growing, of the market. - Original Message - From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! The new macromedia.com is certainly a next generation site, and unfortunately, there are going to be issues like the ones you mention below. I hope people can take the time to let us know when they find things like this by going to the following URL: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/mm_feedback.html I remember when I first used OS X (also a complete re-write and next generation project) it was VERY rough at first, and had issue ranging from performance to compatibility. Over time, however, it has really been refined into an excellent and extremely advanced OS. To some extent, these types of issues are the price you pay when you take big steps forward. Someone has to be pushing the envelope, though, and I'm glad it's Macromedia. Christian On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Jillian Carroll wrote: I'm surprised MM would launch this site given: - Jakob Neilson (and other usability professionals) are going to be watching - They are trying to 'sell sell sell' the idea that Flash has matured and is now faster, friendlier, etc. For my own interest, I checked out the site in several browsers: - NS 6.2.3 and 7.1 (seems to work nearly as I imagine is intended) - NS 4.79 (very little of the site can be seen) - NS 4.78 (much like 4.79, very little can be seen, and the links that are visible, aren't functional) - Mozilla 1.1 (depricates nicely w/o Flash in this browser) - IE 6 (the links in the main 'top' bar don't work properly) It's unfortunate. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2003 9:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I can't say I am too happy with the new site (it was nice to look at first off and in all honesty: It seems a gimmick), but I cant see
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Agreed...most of our sites have no more than 1% hits from Opera users, according to our web stats. w -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 17:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I dont think its dumb. It makes perfect sense. Just because 10% of the browser market could be Opera, it doesn't mean to say that all 10% may hit MM or any site for that matter. -Original Message- From: Scott Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 17:21 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! That's about the dumbest thing I've heard in the conversations today. If 10% of the market uses Opera, it's an established browser...Why shouldn't a site test for it? Especially a company such as Macromedia. They screwed up big time. They designed a site that looks good, tries to do some fancy stuff, but falls short on the big picture, and now needs to work on damage control. Scott -Original Message- From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! You know that MM is not the only site that does not work well with Opera. Wells Fargo Bank's On-Line banking does not work well either. There are a few others that do not work with Opera, so MM is not the only one out there that is not checking for that browser. Why not apply yourself to the QA department if Opera compatibility is such an issue? Personally I do not have any problems loading the new site in IE. I am viewing it on a Dell Inspiron, 1.5 GHZ Pentium 4 processor with a half a gig of RAM, and it is running just fine. Maybe Opera needs to get on board and make their browser work with other companies sites? - Original Message - From: Bill Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! That is the biggest load of BS i've heard all day. Its a website! Test the crap before you upload it, if you dont have a QA deptment get one. If you do have one fire the people because they obviously don't know what they are doing. You can't release a site that doesn't even let you see the front page with a browser like Opera. I run it on IE and its slow as anything. Its like macromedia never stops to think before it releases things lol. Hopefully they fix the opera thing quickly. I mean its only a browser with 10%, and growing, of the market. - Original Message - From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! The new macromedia.com is certainly a next generation site, and unfortunately, there are going to be issues like the ones you mention below. I hope people can take the time to let us know when they find things like this by going to the following URL: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/mm_feedback.html I remember when I first used OS X (also a complete re-write and next generation project) it was VERY rough at first, and had issue ranging from performance to compatibility. Over time, however, it has really been refined into an excellent and extremely advanced OS. To some extent, these types of issues are the price you pay when you take big steps forward. Someone has to be pushing the envelope, though, and I'm glad it's Macromedia. Christian On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Jillian Carroll wrote: I'm surprised MM would launch this site given: - Jakob Neilson (and other usability professionals) are going to be watching - They are trying to 'sell sell sell' the idea that Flash has matured and is now faster, friendlier, etc. For my own interest, I checked out the site in several browsers: - NS 6.2.3 and 7.1 (seems to work nearly as I imagine is intended) - NS 4.79 (very little of the site can be seen) - NS 4.78 (much like 4.79, very little can be seen, and the links that are visible, aren't functional) - Mozilla 1.1 (depricates nicely w/o Flash in this browser) - IE 6 (the links in the main 'top' bar don't work properly) It's unfortunate. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2003 9:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I can't say I am too happy with the new site (it was nice to look at first off and in all honesty: It seems a gimmick), but I cant see how you could have failed to find the exchanges : www.macromedia.com/exchange -Original Message- From: paris lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 15:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... They keep changing
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
I agree 100% with this. We can go on and on ad nauseum (and likely will) debating over who sucks more...Macromedia or Opera. I'd have to say at this point, they're both in the 'wrong' (for lack of a better term). As Jochem said, if MM would validate to a w3 standard, such as XHTML, that would end the discussion right there, IMO. I've been trying to write consistently valid XHTML of late, and still encounter browser issues. At least, being XHTML compliant, I can -legitimately- state that the browsers need to make some changes. There's really no good reason (that I can think of) for any current browsers to not render valid XHTML appropriately. That being said...it really is disappointing that macromedia.com won't validate. charlie Jochem van Dieten writes: Bruce Sorge wrote: You know that MM is not the only site that does not work well with Opera. Wells Fargo Bank's On-Line banking does not work well either. Wells Fargo is not a member of the W3C. Macromedia is. It would be nice if the Macromedia website validated to some version of the (X)HTML standard. Then we would not only know who to blame if a certain browser failed to work properly, but it would also be a nice conclusion of the efforts of Macromedia together with the Web Standards Project to make its own tools produce valid (X)HTML and a showcase of the abilities of those tools. Now, we can only guess whether Macromedia or Opera is to blame and wait until somebody produces an XHTML compliant copy of the Macromedia website to prove it is possible, just like in the past Microsoft [1] and others have been proven to just not care about about the standards they produce themselves [2]. Jochem [1] http://www3.sympatico.ca/dylanfoley/pages/test/msn_tidy.html [2] http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
LOL i wouldnt take a pay cut to work for a company like MM :) Maybe MM needs to follow w3c standards. And i know other sites are not supported but i bring it upto them whenever i find it. When CNN.com launched a new look me and about 50 others emailed them about the problems with THEIR site NOT our browser :) and cnn had it fixed in 2 days. You know that MM is not the only site that does not work well with Opera. Wells Fargo Bank's On-Line banking does not work well either. There are a few others that do not work with Opera, so MM is not the only one out there that is not checking for that browser. Why not apply yourself to the QA department if Opera compatibility is such an issue? Personally I do not have any problems loading the new site in IE. I am viewing it on a Dell Inspiron, 1.5 GHZ Pentium 4 processor with a half a gig of RAM, and it is running just fine. Maybe Opera needs to get on board and make their browser work with other companies sites? - Original Message - From: Bill Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! That is the biggest load of BS i've heard all day. Its a website! Test the crap before you upload it, if you dont have a QA deptment get one. If you do have one fire the people because they obviously don't know what they are doing. You can't release a site that doesn't even let you see the front page with a browser like Opera. I run it on IE and its slow as anything. Its like macromedia never stops to think before it releases things lol. Hopefully they fix the opera thing quickly. I mean its only a browser with 10%, and growing, of the market. - Original Message - From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! The new macromedia.com is certainly a next generation site, and unfortunately, there are going to be issues like the ones you mention below. I hope people can take the time to let us know when they find things like this by going to the following URL: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/mm_feedback.html I remember when I first used OS X (also a complete re-write and next generation project) it was VERY rough at first, and had issue ranging from performance to compatibility. Over time, however, it has really been refined into an excellent and extremely advanced OS. To some extent, these types of issues are the price you pay when you take big steps forward. Someone has to be pushing the envelope, though, and I'm glad it's Macromedia. Christian On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Jillian Carroll wrote: I'm surprised MM would launch this site given: - Jakob Neilson (and other usability professionals) are going to be watching - They are trying to 'sell sell sell' the idea that Flash has matured and is now faster, friendlier, etc. For my own interest, I checked out the site in several browsers: - NS 6.2.3 and 7.1 (seems to work nearly as I imagine is intended) - NS 4.79 (very little of the site can be seen) - NS 4.78 (much like 4.79, very little can be seen, and the links that are visible, aren't functional) - Mozilla 1.1 (depricates nicely w/o Flash in this browser) - IE 6 (the links in the main 'top' bar don't work properly) It's unfortunate. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2003 9:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I can't say I am too happy with the new site (it was nice to look at first off and in all honesty: It seems a gimmick), but I cant see how you could have failed to find the exchanges : www.macromedia.com/exchange -Original Message- From: paris lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 15:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... But hey it's pretty. (Isn't that all that matters) :) -p -- Original Message -- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:06:59 - I like the new design, but it still suffers from the old back button problem
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
Pablo, Don't let a disabled person hear you call them Handicapped, that is the Politically incorrect term (by the way). I took a seminar a while back on Section 508 and they explained that the word Handicap was given to disabled people because most disabled people at the time were Vietnam vets. The word handy capped means to had out a baseball call in and ask for a hand out. Notice that those signs now say Disabled and not handicapped. I think that was probably the point! ;oD Stephen ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Oops, I apologize if I offended anyone on the list. Although, truthfully, saying someone is disabled to me seems more offensive. Disabled means non-functional, I wouldn't imagine that they would like to be called non-functional, they only lack certain abilities. Political Correctness is such a slippery slope - which just goes to further prove my point. The disabled logo doesn't change, no matter how many times our culture changes it's language to describe these folks. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 * Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -Original Message- From: Pablo Varando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Don't let a disabled person hear you call them Handicapped, that is the Politically incorrect term (by the way). I took a seminar a while back on Section 508 and they explained that the word Handicap was given to disabled people because most disabled people at the time were Vietnam vets. The word handy capped means to had out a baseball call in and ask for a hand out. Notice that those signs now say Disabled and not handicapped. Just letting ya know... they get really pissed if you call them handicapped ;) Pablo - Original Message - From: Joshua Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! All due respect to Mr. Neilsen, but he's a boring old codger. While usability is important it's NOT the be-all end-all of web design and development. I'm not sure how he became the de-facto lord of web usability, but a lot of his ideas are contrary to what has worked in print marketing for decades. The web is not JUST about information - people are inherently aesthetic, it's our universal language and visual language is stronger than any other. People pay more attention to visual design than they realize - it affects you on the subconscious level and honestly, your brain pays more attention to the visual than the content in the long run. When you dream you dream in pictures, icons and symbols, not pages and pages of black and white text with blue links. If Jacob Neilsen's logic was applied to design outside the web all those universally-understood handicapped signs would be replaced with 4 foot wide black and white banners that read HANDICAPPED. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 ** ** * Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -Original Message- From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Let's get Jakob Nielsen to end this -Original Message- From: Jason Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Yea but the issue with the mm home page is that it takes initially a while to load, then every click I make has this sluggishness to it, and most of the buttons create a page request which seems contradict macromedia flashes power of reducing http requests. On a few flash lists I am active on general consensus is negative... I definately share that..Although design is very nice and clean - it seems like last years trend. Perks and snappy elements such as the previous shortcuts
RE: New Macromedia.com launched! - Give it a rest!
Agreed, I saw one - the Sun Intranet actually, that was designed exactly like those voting cards in Florida with a column down the center of buttons and to the right/left a text label. It was the most god-awful thing I've ever seen. The buttons looked like they came from the same artist as the dancing baby. Anyway - WAAY off topic now. Time to kill this. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 * Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -Original Message- From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! - Give it a rest! Let's get Jakob Nielsen to end this That'd be a waste of time and money... daft old codger!! I wouldn't listen to too much that he says these days - the guy is still stuck in his ways from the early 90's when what he had to say was true and perfectly acceptable for the state of the network and peoples use and abuse of what little bandwidth, hardware and software was available. Some of what he says still holds true, but the guy hasn't move forward at all. He only recently grudgingly accepted that Flash was useful and good in site design when applied appropriately! Its been a while, but the last time I looked at one of his site, I was truely appalled at how badly designed and implemented the site was. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
Yes that would be a dream come true lol. Yea m$ does mix up their site a bit you cant do one search to find everything they dont put all the technet articles into the search and you have to sometimes bounce to different parts of the site. Their site reminds me of MANY sites crammed into 1 lol - Original Message - From: Pablo Varando [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:17 PM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Tell me about it... it sure would be nice on all of us if all the browsers would get together and use a single standard but that isn't the case (and probably wont ever be the case :) It just would be nice if it was :) Site runs fine for me too, the only complaint I have it that I was actually getting used to finding things on the site and now I have to start all over... but hey, at least it's better then trying to find something on Microsofts web site ;) Pablo - Original Message - From: Bruce Sorge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! You know that MM is not the only site that does not work well with Opera. Wells Fargo Bank's On-Line banking does not work well either. There are a few others that do not work with Opera, so MM is not the only one out there that is not checking for that browser. Why not apply yourself to the QA department if Opera compatibility is such an issue? Personally I do not have any problems loading the new site in IE. I am viewing it on a Dell Inspiron, 1.5 GHZ Pentium 4 processor with a half a gig of RAM, and it is running just fine. Maybe Opera needs to get on board and make their browser work with other companies sites? - Original Message - From: Bill Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! That is the biggest load of BS i've heard all day. Its a website! Test the crap before you upload it, if you dont have a QA deptment get one. If you do have one fire the people because they obviously don't know what they are doing. You can't release a site that doesn't even let you see the front page with a browser like Opera. I run it on IE and its slow as anything. Its like macromedia never stops to think before it releases things lol. Hopefully they fix the opera thing quickly. I mean its only a browser with 10%, and growing, of the market. - Original Message - From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! The new macromedia.com is certainly a next generation site, and unfortunately, there are going to be issues like the ones you mention below. I hope people can take the time to let us know when they find things like this by going to the following URL: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/mm_feedback.html I remember when I first used OS X (also a complete re-write and next generation project) it was VERY rough at first, and had issue ranging from performance to compatibility. Over time, however, it has really been refined into an excellent and extremely advanced OS. To some extent, these types of issues are the price you pay when you take big steps forward. Someone has to be pushing the envelope, though, and I'm glad it's Macromedia. Christian On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Jillian Carroll wrote: I'm surprised MM would launch this site given: - Jakob Neilson (and other usability professionals) are going to be watching - They are trying to 'sell sell sell' the idea that Flash has matured and is now faster, friendlier, etc. For my own interest, I checked out the site in several browsers: - NS 6.2.3 and 7.1 (seems to work nearly as I imagine is intended) - NS 4.79 (very little of the site can be seen) - NS 4.78 (much like 4.79, very little can be seen, and the links that are visible, aren't functional) - Mozilla 1.1 (depricates nicely w/o Flash in this browser) - IE 6 (the links in the main 'top' bar don't work properly) It's unfortunate. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2003 9:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I can't say I am too happy with the new site (it was nice to look at first off and in all honesty: It seems a gimmick), but I cant see how you could have failed to find the exchanges : www.macromedia.com/exchange -Original Message- From: paris lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2003 15:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
I'm glad to see that the devex search is still as slow as it used to be... At least that didn't change... - jim ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Now, we can only guess whether Macromedia or Opera is to blame and wait until somebody produces an XHTML compliant copy of the Macromedia website to prove it is possible, just like in the past Microsoft [1] and others have been proven to just not care about about the standards they produce themselves [2]. I'm waiting for a Bork version of Opera for the MM site, myself: http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2003/02/14/index.dml Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Sweet, so you're saying we get to stop QA-ing our development projects in browsers other than IE. Excellent. You've just saved us all quite a bit of time! It doesn't matter what the market share is. It has to work, or at least decay properly in ANY BROWSER MM's QA can get they're hands on. Yes? Support guy: Hey, some customers have complained they can't see the site. Web Developer: Well, it works on my machine. Tell the idiots to get a better browser. Great PR, guys. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/05/03 10:49AM Please, stop the debate about Opera and its 10% Opera marketshare. I don't know where did you get those 10%. In most browser statistics, Opera is below 1%. Example : WebSideStory's figures were compiled independently based on a random daily sample of 20 million visitors to thousands of Web sites that use its HitBox visitor analysis service. According to data from Monday, 3.4 percent of the visitors were using a Netscape browser, 96 percent using IE and less than one percent were using the Opera browser from Opera Software ASA. From day to day the sample shows some fluctuation, but over the past several weeks Netscape usage hasn't been higher than 4 percent, Johnston said. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Scott Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EnvoyT : mercredi 5 mars 2003 18:21 + : CF-Talk Objet : RE: New Macromedia.com launched! That's about the dumbest thing I've heard in the conversations today. If 10% of the market uses Opera, it's an established browser...Why shouldn't a site test for it? Especially a company such as Macromedia. They screwed up big time. They designed a site that looks good, tries to do some fancy stuff, but falls short on the big picture, and now needs to work on damage control. Scott -Original Message- From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! You know that MM is not the only site that does not work well with Opera. Wells Fargo Bank's On-Line banking does not work well either. There are a few others that do not work with Opera, so MM is not the only one out there that is not checking for that browser. Why not apply yourself to the QA department if Opera compatibility is such an issue? Personally I do not have any problems loading the new site in IE. I am viewing it on a Dell Inspiron, 1.5 GHZ Pentium 4 processor with a half a gig of RAM, and it is running just fine. Maybe Opera needs to get on board and make their browser work with other companies sites? - Original Message - From: Bill Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! That is the biggest load of BS i've heard all day. Its a website! Test the crap before you upload it, if you dont have a QA deptment get one. If you do have one fire the people because they obviously don't know what they are doing. You can't release a site that doesn't even let you see the front page with a browser like Opera. I run it on IE and its slow as anything. Its like macromedia never stops to think before it releases things lol. Hopefully they fix the opera thing quickly. I mean its only a browser with 10%, and growing, of the market. - Original Message - From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! The new macromedia.com is certainly a next generation site, and unfortunately, there are going to be issues like the ones you mention below. I hope people can take the time to let us know when they find things like this by going to the following URL: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/mm_feedback.html I remember when I first used OS X (also a complete re-write and next generation project) it was VERY rough at first, and had issue ranging from performance to compatibility. Over time, however, it has really been refined into an excellent and extremely advanced OS. To some extent, these types of issues are the price you pay when you take big steps forward. Someone has to be pushing the envelope, though, and I'm glad it's Macromedia. Christian On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Jillian Carroll wrote: I'm surprised MM would launch this site given: - Jakob Neilson (and other usability professionals) are going to be watching - They are trying to 'sell sell sell' the idea that Flash has matured and is now faster, friendlier, etc. For my own interest, I checked out the site in several browsers: - NS 6.2.3 and 7.1 (seems to work nearly as I imagine is intended) - NS 4.79 (very little of the site can be seen) - NS 4.78 (much like 4.79, very little can be seen, and the links that are visible, aren't
OT: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! -- handicapped
Don't let a disabled person hear you call them Handicapped, that is the Politically incorrect term (by the way). I took a seminar a while back on Section 508 and they explained that the word Handicap was given to disabled people because most disabled people at the time were Vietnam vets. The word handy capped means to had out a baseball call in and ask for a hand out. Notice that those signs now say Disabled and not handicapped. Just letting ya know... they get really pissed if you call them handicapped ;) That may be true. But if so the original definition has been all but lost to antiquity. That is to say -- a few select individuals know what it meant originally. Most only know it as being synonymous with disabled. As a matter of fact, there is no mention of hand-outs if you search Dictionary.com for the definition of the word handicapped. But then I'm much more inclined to believe or agree with George Carlin's interpretation of why they get upset when you call them handicapped -- that they've been conned by the sun is always shining crew into believing that they can do anything they want to do in life regardless of circumstance if they want it enough, and that the condition will change if the name of the condition is changed. We're not handicapped, we're handi-capable! ... Anyway, that's enough from me for now. :) s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Political Correctness is evil. While I appreciate Pablo's input...isn't it just as 'politically incorrect' to generalize about a particular group of people? Pablo: 'they get really pissed if you call them handicapped' Just making a point :) Charlie Joshua Miller writes: Oops, I apologize if I offended anyone on the list. Although, truthfully, saying someone is disabled to me seems more offensive. Disabled means non-functional, I wouldn't imagine that they would like to be called non-functional, they only lack certain abilities. Political Correctness is such a slippery slope - which just goes to further prove my point. The disabled logo doesn't change, no matter how many times our culture changes it's language to describe these folks. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 * Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -Original Message- From: Pablo Varando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Don't let a disabled person hear you call them Handicapped, that is the Politically incorrect term (by the way). I took a seminar a while back on Section 508 and they explained that the word Handicap was given to disabled people because most disabled people at the time were Vietnam vets. The word handy capped means to had out a baseball call in and ask for a hand out. Notice that those signs now say Disabled and not handicapped. Just letting ya know... they get really pissed if you call them handicapped ;) Pablo - Original Message - From: Joshua Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! All due respect to Mr. Neilsen, but he's a boring old codger. While usability is important it's NOT the be-all end-all of web design and development. I'm not sure how he became the de-facto lord of web usability, but a lot of his ideas are contrary to what has worked in print marketing for decades. The web is not JUST about information - people are inherently aesthetic, it's our universal language and visual language is stronger than any other. People pay more attention to visual design than they realize - it affects you on the subconscious level and honestly, your brain pays more attention to the visual than the content in the long run. When you dream you dream in pictures, icons and symbols, not pages and pages of black and white text with blue links. If Jacob Neilsen's logic was applied to design outside the web all those universally-understood handicapped signs would be replaced with 4 foot wide black and white banners that read HANDICAPPED. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 ** ** * Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -Original Message- From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Let's get Jakob Nielsen to end this -Original Message- From: Jason Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Yea but the issue with the mm home page is that it takes initially a while to load, then every click I make has this sluggishness
RE: New Macromedia.com launched! - Give it a rest!
Let's get Jakob Nielsen to end this That'd be a waste of time and money... daft old codger!! I wouldn't listen to too much that he says these days - the guy is still stuck in his ways from the early 90's when what he had to say was true and perfectly acceptable for the state of the network and peoples use and abuse of what little bandwidth, hardware and software was available. Probably because what was true then is still true now. Some of what he says still holds true, but the guy hasn't move forward at all. He only recently grudgingly accepted that Flash was useful and good in site design when applied appropriately! Because only recently has Flash risen itself to the challenge of usability. Before that there was NO usability/accessibility features in Flash whatsoever. Its been a while, but the last time I looked at one of his site, I was truely appalled at how badly designed and implemented the site was. In what ways? I know a lot of folks that say it doesn't look good but very rarely do they have any usability comments. And that's the point: it wasn't designed to look good but to work well. Look at www.edwardtufte.com for the same kind of thing (another genius). (That being said I personally DO have some usability complaints about useit.com... Particularly in the Search area.) Until somebody else actually starts doing the research required to back up some of the statements implied here (Flash is ready for prime time, the state of the network has changed, etc) then don't shoot the messengers. Neilson (and Norman) don't just make this stuff up and sit in the past: they are actively and continuously researching the curent states of affairs. In general they offer some of the best information you'll find. Don't get m wrong... I'm not Jakob's bitch, I do disagree with a lot of the things he says, but overall there's nobody else putting forth the effort and the sweat to get people to understand the need for usability. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Outside of the slow loading and horrid usability of the front page, exactly how is the site a RIA now? And how is it different from before? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Pablo, Don't let a disabled person hear you call them Handicapped, that is the Politically incorrect term (by the way). I took a seminar a while back on Section 508 and they explained that the word Handicap was given to disabled people because most disabled people at the time were Vietnam vets. The word handy capped means to had out a baseball call in and ask for a hand out. Notice that those signs now say Disabled and not handicapped. I think that was probably the point! ;oD Stephen ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Nice one on the technote about why we won't be able to see half the site: http://www.macromedia.com/support/general/ts/documents/macromedia.com_site_r equire.htm scroll down Last updated:February 3, 2003 Created:February 12, 2003 Can anyone see something funny here? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! -- THE END
You know I never really use Opera (nothing other then Netscape or IE really), however you have to ask yourself this. While being compliant is a VERY GOOD THING, you must also look at the realistic side of this. If this is the case (testing a site for every single possible browser) then when do you stop testing? There are literally hundreds of browsers in the market (one not mentioned here yet, that is also used a lot is the WebTV browser.) While A few always come to mind quickly, there are many browsers out there (some text based, some phone/WAP based, some based on Mosaic, etc. etc...) that don't, so people that choose to use those are not important because they're not using the main three (IE, Netscape, or Opera)? So in truth, you have to ask yourself, what is the major target audience (the largest amount of users) using. Then develop for those users, because in truth there are so many browsers, that if you catered your site to work in ALL environments, you couldn't do it (I'm willing to bet even the regulation sites like w3.org don't work in ALL browsers). So, the basic point is that Macromedia launched a new site, with a lot of new things/features and while some people have problems right now, it wont be for long. Browsers will follow and problems will sort themselves out in time. NOW, LET'S KILL THE SUBJECT... :) How about them Dodgers? Pablo - Original Message - From: S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: OT: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! -- handicapped Don't let a disabled person hear you call them Handicapped, that is the Politically incorrect term (by the way). I took a seminar a while back on Section 508 and they explained that the word Handicap was given to disabled people because most disabled people at the time were Vietnam vets. The word handy capped means to had out a baseball call in and ask for a hand out. Notice that those signs now say Disabled and not handicapped. Just letting ya know... they get really pissed if you call them handicapped ;) That may be true. But if so the original definition has been all but lost to antiquity. That is to say -- a few select individuals know what it meant originally. Most only know it as being synonymous with disabled. As a matter of fact, there is no mention of hand-outs if you search Dictionary.com for the definition of the word handicapped. But then I'm much more inclined to believe or agree with George Carlin's interpretation of why they get upset when you call them handicapped -- that they've been conned by the sun is always shining crew into believing that they can do anything they want to do in life regardless of circumstance if they want it enough, and that the condition will change if the name of the condition is changed. We're not handicapped, we're handi-capable! ... Anyway, that's enough from me for now. :) s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 12:20 PM, Scott Wilhelm wrote: They designed a site that looks good, tries to do some fancy stuff, but falls short on the big picture, and now needs to work on damage control. I won't speak for other Macromedia employees, but for the record, do not mistake any of my posts for damage control. Macromedia took a big step forward with our new website, and although we certainly have plenty of tweaks to make, we are fully confident in our decisions. Evolution is not always easy, but somebody has to do it. Christian ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Agreed...political correctness is a waste of time. Bigotted nasty people will always be that waypolitical correctness will not change there minds. You can have the biggest heart and the best intentions and still manage to piss of some group or individual under the political correctness umbrella. It's far too much effort if you ask me. You have to call groups of people something and whatever is selected by whoever the hell thinks they should select it is bound to piss some folks off. cf_sarcasm value=big time What's that...oh ya...can't please all of the people all of the timeright I've heard that somewhere before ;-) /cf_sarcasm Cheers...and just play nice Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: charlie griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:27 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Political Correctness is evil. While I appreciate Pablo's input...isn't it just as 'politically incorrect' to generalize about a particular group of people? Pablo: 'they get really pissed if you call them handicapped' Just making a point :) Charlie Joshua Miller writes: Oops, I apologize if I offended anyone on the list. Although, truthfully, saying someone is disabled to me seems more offensive. Disabled means non-functional, I wouldn't imagine that they would like to be called non-functional, they only lack certain abilities. Political Correctness is such a slippery slope - which just goes to further prove my point. The disabled logo doesn't change, no matter how many times our culture changes it's language to describe these folks. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 * Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -Original Message- From: Pablo Varando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Don't let a disabled person hear you call them Handicapped, that is the Politically incorrect term (by the way). I took a seminar a while back on Section 508 and they explained that the word Handicap was given to disabled people because most disabled people at the time were Vietnam vets. The word handy capped means to had out a baseball call in and ask for a hand out. Notice that those signs now say Disabled and not handicapped. Just letting ya know... they get really pissed if you call them handicapped ;) Pablo - Original Message - From: Joshua Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! All due respect to Mr. Neilsen, but he's a boring old codger. While usability is important it's NOT the be-all end-all of web design and development. I'm not sure how he became the de-facto lord of web usability, but a lot of his ideas are contrary to what has worked in print marketing for decades. The web is not JUST about information - people are inherently aesthetic, it's our universal language and visual language is stronger than any other. People pay more attention to visual design than they realize - it affects you on the subconscious level and honestly, your brain pays more attention to the visual than the content in the long run. When you dream you dream in pictures, icons and symbols, not pages and pages of black and white text with blue links. If Jacob Neilsen's logic was applied to design outside the web all those universally-understood handicapped signs would be replaced with 4 foot wide black and white banners that read HANDICAPPED. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-9044
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Charlie I totally agree, I was just letting him know what I was told in the conference ;) I dont generalize either way (just a lazy typist :) Pablo - Original Message - From: charlie griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:27 PM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Political Correctness is evil. While I appreciate Pablo's input...isn't it just as 'politically incorrect' to generalize about a particular group of people? Pablo: 'they get really pissed if you call them handicapped' Just making a point :) Charlie Joshua Miller writes: Oops, I apologize if I offended anyone on the list. Although, truthfully, saying someone is disabled to me seems more offensive. Disabled means non-functional, I wouldn't imagine that they would like to be called non-functional, they only lack certain abilities. Political Correctness is such a slippery slope - which just goes to further prove my point. The disabled logo doesn't change, no matter how many times our culture changes it's language to describe these folks. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 * Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -Original Message- From: Pablo Varando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Don't let a disabled person hear you call them Handicapped, that is the Politically incorrect term (by the way). I took a seminar a while back on Section 508 and they explained that the word Handicap was given to disabled people because most disabled people at the time were Vietnam vets. The word handy capped means to had out a baseball call in and ask for a hand out. Notice that those signs now say Disabled and not handicapped. Just letting ya know... they get really pissed if you call them handicapped ;) Pablo - Original Message - From: Joshua Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! All due respect to Mr. Neilsen, but he's a boring old codger. While usability is important it's NOT the be-all end-all of web design and development. I'm not sure how he became the de-facto lord of web usability, but a lot of his ideas are contrary to what has worked in print marketing for decades. The web is not JUST about information - people are inherently aesthetic, it's our universal language and visual language is stronger than any other. People pay more attention to visual design than they realize - it affects you on the subconscious level and honestly, your brain pays more attention to the visual than the content in the long run. When you dream you dream in pictures, icons and symbols, not pages and pages of black and white text with blue links. If Jacob Neilsen's logic was applied to design outside the web all those universally-understood handicapped signs would be replaced with 4 foot wide black and white banners that read HANDICAPPED. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 ** ** * Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -Original Message- From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:57 AM To: CF
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
You don't create your pages after you update them? how else do you get the content right? ;) Oh, and I love having to reboot my computer after installing the new flash. And I already had 6.0.something installed, so it wasn't like I needed a whole new engine (I would think). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Nice one on the technote about why we won't be able to see half the site: http://www.macromedia.com/support/general/ts/documents/macromedia. com_site_r equire.htm scroll down Last updated:February 3, 2003 Created:February 12, 2003 Can anyone see something funny here? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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-Original Message- From: charlie griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Political Correctness is evil. While I appreciate Pablo's input...isn't it just as 'politically incorrect' to generalize about a particular group of people? Pablo: 'they get really pissed if you call them handicapped' That's why I skirt the whole handicapped (implies cap in hand!) vrs disabled (implied broken in some way!) issue and go with Cripple. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! -- THE END
How about using RIAsFlash is Flash is Flasha little cross-browser coding for Flash detection scripts and voila! no more frickin hours/days of cross-browser coding ;-) IMHO Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Pablo Varando [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! -- THE END You know I never really use Opera (nothing other then Netscape or IE really), however you have to ask yourself this. While being compliant is a VERY GOOD THING, you must also look at the realistic side of this. If this is the case (testing a site for every single possible browser) then when do you stop testing? There are literally hundreds of browsers in the market (one not mentioned here yet, that is also used a lot is the WebTV browser.) While A few always come to mind quickly, there are many browsers out there (some text based, some phone/WAP based, some based on Mosaic, etc. etc...) that don't, so people that choose to use those are not important because they're not using the main three (IE, Netscape, or Opera)? So in truth, you have to ask yourself, what is the major target audience (the largest amount of users) using. Then develop for those users, because in truth there are so many browsers, that if you catered your site to work in ALL environments, you couldn't do it (I'm willing to bet even the regulation sites like w3.org don't work in ALL browsers). So, the basic point is that Macromedia launched a new site, with a lot of new things/features and while some people have problems right now, it wont be for long. Browsers will follow and problems will sort themselves out in time. NOW, LET'S KILL THE SUBJECT... :) How about them Dodgers? Pablo - Original Message - From: S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: OT: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! -- handicapped Don't let a disabled person hear you call them Handicapped, that is the Politically incorrect term (by the way). I took a seminar a while back on Section 508 and they explained that the word Handicap was given to disabled people because most disabled people at the time were Vietnam vets. The word handy capped means to had out a baseball call in and ask for a hand out. Notice that those signs now say Disabled and not handicapped. Just letting ya know... they get really pissed if you call them handicapped ;) That may be true. But if so the original definition has been all but lost to antiquity. That is to say -- a few select individuals know what it meant originally. Most only know it as being synonymous with disabled. As a matter of fact, there is no mention of hand-outs if you search Dictionary.com for the definition of the word handicapped. But then I'm much more inclined to believe or agree with George Carlin's interpretation of why they get upset when you call them handicapped -- that they've been conned by the sun is always shining crew into believing that they can do anything they want to do in life regardless of circumstance if they want it enough, and that the condition will change if the name of the condition is changed. We're not handicapped, we're handi-capable! ... Anyway, that's enough from me for now. :) s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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-Original Message- From: charlie griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Political Correctness is evil. While I appreciate Pablo's input...isn't it just as 'politically incorrect' to generalize about a particular group of people? Pablo: 'they get really pissed if you call them handicapped' That's why I skirt the whole handicapped (implies cap in hand!) vrs disabled (implied broken in some way!) issue and go with Cripple. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
-Original Message- From: charlie griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Political Correctness is evil. While I appreciate Pablo's input...isn't it just as 'politically incorrect' to generalize about a particular group of people? Pablo: 'they get really pissed if you call them handicapped' That's why I skirt the whole handicapped (implies cap in hand!) vrs disabled (implied broken in some way!) issue and go with Cripple. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Jim Davis writes: That's why I skirt the whole handicapped (implies cap in hand!) vrs disabled (implied broken in some way!) issue and go with Cripple. You definitely get the 'Two Posts in One Day to CF-Talk That Made Milk Come Out of Charlie's Nose' award (the other one being your Windows ME = crap post, of course) :) Charlie (concerned, because he wasn't drinking milk at the time) ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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| That's why I skirt the whole handicapped (implies cap in hand!) vrs | disabled (implied broken in some way!) issue and go with Cripple. | | Jim Davis | ROTFLMAO! I am partially disabled. That is parts of me that used to function, don't any more. The signs in parking lots still say handicapped My auto license tags say Disabled Veteran I walk funny, but don't limp or shuffle, so I guess I am not crippled But I don't worry about political correctness, and do not get easily offended when someone else does. I have been called a lot worse. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Joshua wrote: All due respect to Mr. Neilsen, but he's a boring old codger. Yes, he is an extremist. However you will be more successful at his extreme than at the other end. Take his side and then deviate from it a bit and you'll be doing very well. usability, but a lot of his ideas are contrary to what has worked in print marketing for decades. soapbox Don't take this personally, but I see this as the classic mistake made by design-oriented developers, especially those with a print media background. If I was allowed to point to only one common error thats been around since Day 1 this would be it. I did print advertising production for years, and one of the first, hardest lessons I learned was that web and print are two entirely different animals, although many - mostly marketing types and graphic artists - don't see it that way. The two compare to one another very poorly on a number of fronts, not the least of which is the necessary abandonment of the microscopic level of control we have over the output seen by the customer/victim when using print media. Plus, navigation is a non-issue on an advertisement, brochure or book: turn the page. Then there's the issue of attention span... an entirely different one on print media, where you're strictly looking at grabbing an eyeball and holding onto it for a few seconds. We all know the issues to consider are far more complex on the web. In print usability is a very limited concept relegated to being able to read the thing. Thats not the case here. Consider for two seconds how successful a web site is if its pretty and engaging, but no one can navigate thru it for God-Knows-How-Many reasons that we could all easily recite. No matter what, aesthetics comes in well behind usability on a piece of software, which is what web apps really are. /soapbox --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- Original Message -- From: Stacy Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:04:26 -0500 Checkout Alan Cooper...his books rule all and is much more practical for design purposes in my humble opinion... -Stace -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! All due respect to Mr. Neilsen, but he's a boring old codger. While usability is important it's NOT the be-all end-all of web design and development. I'm not sure how he became the de-facto lord of web usability, but a lot of his ideas are contrary to what has worked in print marketing for decades. The web is not JUST about information - people are inherently aesthetic, it's our universal language and visual language is stronger than any other. People pay more attention to visual design than they realize - it affects you on the subconscious level and honestly, your brain pays more attention to the visual than the content in the long run. When you dream you dream in pictures, icons and symbols, not pages and pages of black and white text with blue links. If Jacob Neilsen's logic was applied to design outside the web all those universally-understood handicapped signs would be replaced with 4 foot wide black and white banners that read HANDICAPPED. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 * Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -Original Message- From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Let's get Jakob Nielsen to end this -Original Message- From: Jason Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Yea but the issue with the mm home page is that it takes initially a while to load, then every click I make has this sluggishness to it, and most of the buttons create a page request which seems contradict macromedia flashes power of reducing http requests. On a few flash lists I am active
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Checkout Alan Cooper...his books rule all and is much more practical for design purposes in my humble opinion... -Stace -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! All due respect to Mr. Neilsen, but he's a boring old codger. While usability is important it's NOT the be-all end-all of web design and development. I'm not sure how he became the de-facto lord of web usability, but a lot of his ideas are contrary to what has worked in print marketing for decades. The web is not JUST about information - people are inherently aesthetic, it's our universal language and visual language is stronger than any other. People pay more attention to visual design than they realize - it affects you on the subconscious level and honestly, your brain pays more attention to the visual than the content in the long run. When you dream you dream in pictures, icons and symbols, not pages and pages of black and white text with blue links. If Jacob Neilsen's logic was applied to design outside the web all those universally-understood handicapped signs would be replaced with 4 foot wide black and white banners that read HANDICAPPED. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 * Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -Original Message- From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Let's get Jakob Nielsen to end this -Original Message- From: Jason Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Yea but the issue with the mm home page is that it takes initially a while to load, then every click I make has this sluggishness to it, and most of the buttons create a page request which seems contradict macromedia flashes power of reducing http requests. On a few flash lists I am active on general consensus is negative... I definately share that..Although design is very nice and clean - it seems like last years trend. Perks and snappy elements such as the previous shortcuts worked MUCH faster, drop down lists on old site had some flare and animation to them - even things like on focus color change in the text box is removed. And those shortcuts - they are amazingly slow for me. I have on one of my sites drop downs pulling from a mere access database with coldfusion as server side that work substantially faster. Can't help but not be to thrilled. Yesterday - I also went in because I needed to research some technotes.. I gave up. I closed the site and visited some other resources. While I am sure that macr designers and flash developers worked hard and it is an all around nice app - I can't help but be sad about the change. I would have sent clients to macromedia home page on old site for them to see a glimpse of flash in user on hybrid pages.. Now I wouldn't send a client to review that home page. just my 02. I don't know what the focus was and this is beta - but I for one hope the second release is much faster and wow. The site and it's features are just all around sluggish for me.. first request, and all requests after that. As for the interface remember what you last clicked - I don't mean to sound like an ass- but not ingenious. Useful occasionally but many of us flash people have been doing that for the last year through session vars and cookies. As a base architecture and layout - I think it shows potential if the speed can be seriously increased. but then again - it's just my 02 cents and who am I but a mere simple multiple visit daily user.. jay miller Christian Cantrell wrote: On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:59 AM, Benoit Hediard wrote: They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map Not very hard... Select Product ColdFusion MX on the home page, and then you'll get a direct access to the exchange. (and it will remember this setting) This is actually a very important point. When you load a page containing
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
Jillian Carroll writes: You're missing the point. It doesn't matter whether Jakon Neilsen is right or wrong... what matters is that whenever he writes a sentence about what he thinks about a site... millions of people read it. Doesn't matter in the long run. Publicity is publicity. If you read '[name of company here] has a butt-ugly and totally unusable site'...would you not check it out, if only out of the slightest sense of curiousity? 'Say what you want about me, just make sure you spell my name right' :) Charlie ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Two companies doing something incorrectly doesn't make it correct. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2003 10:41 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! If it's a beta version, why is it public then? Sometimes when you are trying to experiment new things, you don't have any choices than to experiment live. Look at Google News (http://news.google.com/), it has been launch to the public several months ago (nearly a year) and it is still Google News Beta. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Scott Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 5 mars 2003 17:21 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: New Macromedia.com launched! If it's a beta version, why is it public then? I mean, I wouldn't think that it's a good practice to put your beta's directly out to the public. Just my 2 cents. Scott -Original Message- From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Come on guys... it is a Beta version. Is there only never happy people on this list? Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... I disagree about the bad design and confusing things arguments (... agree about the slow one). The organisation of the site seems to be much clear than the previous one. The home page is not intended to ColdFusion Developers... but any kind of audience, that's why it requires a flashy brand/corporate lookfeel. If you don't like it, just go directly to http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/, you don't have to go through it. (there was already a big marketing flash movie in the previous home page) They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map Not very hard... Select Product ColdFusion MX on the home page, and then you'll get a direct access to the exchange. (and it will remember this setting) That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... Once you have selected Newest, it will also remember this settings for your next visit (no changes to your historical habits). Come on guys, move forward... Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
