RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Anyone who initially signed up with the firm that was handling the case. I have the info at home and will email it to you this evening. Dan -Original Message- From: Daniel Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX I actually never heard about this. Who all is involved in the class? - Original Message - From: Daniel O'Keefe To: CF-Talk Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:52 AM Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX As long as the settlement comes through from the class action lawsuit regarding ALLR stock. Dan -Original Message- From: Daniel Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX ALLAIRE FOREVER! - Original Message - From: Daniel Farmer To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX ALLAIRE RULES - Original Message - From: Dave Watts To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:43 PM Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX > CFS5 Kicks DWMX ass anytime. It is faster and more stable. I > don't care what hardware you are on - the bottom line is that > CFS5 is faster than DWMX on any hardware. We're talking about a text editor, not a compiler. How fast does it have to be? On my laptop (which is hardly a blazing machine) Dreamweaver MX 2004 runs well enough that it doesn't slow me down any. In exchange, it gives me a usable design view, templates, an incredibly powerful search and replace interface, and all sorts of other stuff I find very helpful. There are plenty of things I don't like about Dreamweaver, but they're outweighed by the good things in my opinion. For that matter, there were plenty of things I didn't like about CF Studio - it's not like that was God's gift to text editing, either. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
I actually never heard about this. Who all is involved in the class? - Original Message - From: Daniel O'Keefe To: CF-Talk Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:52 AM Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX As long as the settlement comes through from the class action lawsuit regarding ALLR stock. Dan -Original Message- From: Daniel Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX ALLAIRE FOREVER! - Original Message - From: Daniel Farmer To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX ALLAIRE RULES - Original Message - From: Dave Watts To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:43 PM Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX > CFS5 Kicks DWMX ass anytime. It is faster and more stable. I > don't care what hardware you are on - the bottom line is that > CFS5 is faster than DWMX on any hardware. We're talking about a text editor, not a compiler. How fast does it have to be? On my laptop (which is hardly a blazing machine) Dreamweaver MX 2004 runs well enough that it doesn't slow me down any. In exchange, it gives me a usable design view, templates, an incredibly powerful search and replace interface, and all sorts of other stuff I find very helpful. There are plenty of things I don't like about Dreamweaver, but they're outweighed by the good things in my opinion. For that matter, there were plenty of things I didn't like about CF Studio - it's not like that was God's gift to text editing, either. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
gotta chime in. Been using both HS+ and DWMX2004 for a while now (company has Devnet Subscriptions :) ) and they both have their strengths. DW is at is best when a project is setup. This does incur some load time issues but allows for tight integration of all the components. It pretty cool when you can see live data in the Design view. HS+ or any editor really is great when you have projects already in existence and need to edit an existing page. HS and other editors just load faster. DW has pretty good integration with SourceSafe and is simple to setup. DW only has a few minor annoyances that hopefully will be fixed. Title bar does not show full path of file currently editing e.g. it shows only directory and file name ( thisdir/myfile.cfm) whereas abbr notation like ( D:/toplevel/.../thisdir/myfile.cfm) would be much more useful. Especially when you have files with same name opened but different servers. Sourcesafe performance is not good in general over slower VPN and the like. DW makes it even slower. Also we use a PERSONAL_DEV/DEV/QA/PROD environment structure it would be nice if there was one more way to PUT files in both a DEV & QA environment not just one. Not a huge thing but would be nice. Yes DW hogs memory but that is why its good to have an editor for those moments when memory is precious. Though I run 768MB so always have at least 400MB free even with TOAD,Outlook,5-10 IEs, 2-4 Explorer, itunes,winamp, assorted other. I like DW it just requires rethinking of the development process which does take some getting used to, but once there is quite nice overall. End my 2 cents - Merry Xmas, Happy Holidays Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Well, after using DWMX for some editing last day, I do have to say that the design view still needs some work. It still doesn't render properly for some things. - Original Message - From: Daniel O'Keefe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:52 am Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX > As long as the settlement comes through from the class action > lawsuit regarding ALLR stock. > > Dan > > -Original Message- > From: Daniel Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:43 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX > > > ALLAIRE FOREVER! > > - Original Message - > From: Daniel Farmer > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:38 PM > Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX > > ALLAIRE RULES > - Original Message - > From: Dave Watts > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:43 PM > Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX > > > CFS5 Kicks DWMX ass anytime. It is faster and more stable. I > > don't care what hardware you are on - the bottom line is > that > > CFS5 is faster than DWMX on any hardware. > > We're talking about a text editor, not a compiler. How fast > does it have to > be? On my laptop (which is hardly a blazing machine) > Dreamweaver MX 2004 > runs well enough that it doesn't slow me down any. > > In exchange, it gives me a usable design view, templates, an > incredibly powerful search and replace interface, and all sorts > of other stuff I find > very helpful. > > There are plenty of things I don't like about Dreamweaver, but > they're outweighed by the good things in my opinion. For that > matter, there were > plenty of things I didn't like about CF Studio - it's not like > that was > God's gift to text editing, either. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > voice: (202) 797-5496 > fax: (202) 797-5444 > _ > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
As long as the settlement comes through from the class action lawsuit regarding ALLR stock. Dan -Original Message- From: Daniel Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX ALLAIRE FOREVER! - Original Message - From: Daniel Farmer To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX ALLAIRE RULES - Original Message - From: Dave Watts To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:43 PM Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX > CFS5 Kicks DWMX ass anytime. It is faster and more stable. I > don't care what hardware you are on - the bottom line is that > CFS5 is faster than DWMX on any hardware. We're talking about a text editor, not a compiler. How fast does it have to be? On my laptop (which is hardly a blazing machine) Dreamweaver MX 2004 runs well enough that it doesn't slow me down any. In exchange, it gives me a usable design view, templates, an incredibly powerful search and replace interface, and all sorts of other stuff I find very helpful. There are plenty of things I don't like about Dreamweaver, but they're outweighed by the good things in my opinion. For that matter, there were plenty of things I didn't like about CF Studio - it's not like that was God's gift to text editing, either. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
If you want to talk about alternatives, build you own CF Scintilla editor and use that. It has code highlighting and code completion, and can be customized to mimic the CF5 environment to just about whatever level you choose. You can also do code highlighting in just about any language you choose - for instance, I have it compiled with CF, PHP, C++, java, and Actionsctipt. Or look at Eclipse. I know several people have already built CF modules (lexers?) for this project and seen good results. M -Original Message- From: Clint Tredway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 9:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX Go buy PrimalScript for $169 and use an editor that beats DWMX and HS+/CF Studio(in my opinion because PrimalScript is more stable) and be happier and spend less money. also, since I coe in multiple languages PrimalScript fits me better than DW or HS+/CF Studio. Clint Tredway www.digital12studios.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Does HomeSite basic have the CFML help complete with F1 access when you have a tag chosen? - Calvin - Original Message - From: Rick Root To: CF-Talk Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 9:53 PM Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX Calvin Ward wrote: > Exactly, HomeSite is just HomeSite, which is the html editor... > > HomeSite+ is ColdFusion Studio, which is the cfml editor. There are > differences. Well... HomeSite works fine as a CFML editor as well, it's got the tag chooser and such... it knows full well how to handle CFML tags... however it has fewer CFML-oriented toolbars, and doesn't support RDS and stuff... HomeSite+ has all the lovely CFML toolbars, RDS, etc.. - Rick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Calvin Ward wrote: > Exactly, HomeSite is just HomeSite, which is the html editor... > > HomeSite+ is ColdFusion Studio, which is the cfml editor. There are > differences. Well... HomeSite works fine as a CFML editor as well, it's got the tag chooser and such... it knows full well how to handle CFML tags... however it has fewer CFML-oriented toolbars, and doesn't support RDS and stuff... HomeSite+ has all the lovely CFML toolbars, RDS, etc.. - Rick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Go buy PrimalScript for $169 and use an editor that beats DWMX and HS+/CF Studio(in my opinion because PrimalScript is more stable) and be happier and spend less money. also, since I coe in multiple languages PrimalScript fits me better than DW or HS+/CF Studio. Clint Tredway www.digital12studios.com Original Message: >From: "Calvin Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX >Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:32:32 -0500 >Exactly, HomeSite is just HomeSite, which is the html editor... > >HomeSite+ is ColdFusion Studio, which is the cfml editor. There are differences. > >Also of note, ColdFusion Studio listed at $499, whereas DWMX 2004 lists at $399 and includes HomeSite+ (ColdFusion Studio). > >- Calvin > - Original Message - > From: Scott Brady > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 5:19 PM > Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX > > > Tom Kitta wrote: > > > Actually, you can buy HS by itself, it costs you something like $99 > > and $29 for upgrade. It is version 5.5 which comes with DWMX2004. > > > > http://shop.macromedia.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry17c?CID=0&PN=5&SP=10007&SID=46165&PID=582404&DSP=&CUR=840&PGRP=0&CACHE_ID=0 > > > > > Actually, the version that comes with DWMX2004 is HS+ 5.5, which is > different from Homesite 5.5. HS 5.5 doesn't have all of the "CF > Studio" features that are in HS+ 5.5. > > Scott > > -- > --- > Scott Brady > http://www.scottbrady.net/ > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Exactly, HomeSite is just HomeSite, which is the html editor... HomeSite+ is ColdFusion Studio, which is the cfml editor. There are differences. Also of note, ColdFusion Studio listed at $499, whereas DWMX 2004 lists at $399 and includes HomeSite+ (ColdFusion Studio). - Calvin - Original Message - From: Scott Brady To: CF-Talk Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 5:19 PM Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX Tom Kitta wrote: > Actually, you can buy HS by itself, it costs you something like $99 > and $29 for upgrade. It is version 5.5 which comes with DWMX2004. > > http://shop.macromedia.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry17c?CID=0&PN=5&SP=10007&SID=46165&PID=582404&DSP=&CUR=840&PGRP=0&CACHE_ID=0 > > Actually, the version that comes with DWMX2004 is HS+ 5.5, which is different from Homesite 5.5. HS 5.5 doesn't have all of the "CF Studio" features that are in HS+ 5.5. Scott -- --- Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Tom Kitta wrote: > Actually, you can buy HS by itself, it costs you something like $99 > and $29 for upgrade. It is version 5.5 which comes with DWMX2004. > > http://shop.macromedia.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry17c?CID=0&PN=5&SP=10007&SID=46165&PID=582404&DSP=&CUR=840&PGRP=0&CACHE_ID=0 > > Actually, the version that comes with DWMX2004 is HS+ 5.5, which is different from Homesite 5.5. HS 5.5 doesn't have all of the "CF Studio" features that are in HS+ 5.5. Scott -- --- Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Actually, you can buy HS by itself, it costs you something like $99 and $29 for upgrade. It is version 5.5 which comes with DWMX2004. http://shop.macromedia.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry17c?CID=0&PN=5&SP=10007&SID=46165&PID=582404&DSP=&CUR=840&PGRP=0&CACHE_ID=0 TK - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 4:15 PM Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX You can't anyway as MM no longer sell Studio. In fact the only way to get HomeSite+ is tor purchase Dreamweaver MX/Studio MX. Peter Tilbrook Transitional Services - Enterprise eSolutions Centrelink (http://www.centrelink.gov.au) 2 Faulding Street Symonston ACT 2609 Tel: (02) 62115927 "Daniel Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> l.com> cc: Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX 20/12/2003 01:58 Please respond to cf-talk | [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Huh? You can't even copy/paste code examples into your templates, at least not in MX 2004. Peter Tilbrook Transitional Services - Enterprise eSolutions Centrelink (http://www.centrelink.gov.au) 2 Faulding Street Symonston ACT 2609 Tel: (02) 62115927 "Daniel Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> l.com> cc: Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX 20/12/2003 04:11 Please respond to cf-talk | [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Of course this isn't really something you can complain about since the price is less than what CFS used to be by itself. Even if you absolutely hate Dreamweaver, you can't argue with spending less money. I consider myself a devout Studio/HS+ user, but DWMX 2004 was _darn_ nice and was almost enough to make me switch. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
You can't anyway as MM no longer sell Studio. In fact the only way to get HomeSite+ is tor purchase Dreamweaver MX/Studio MX. Peter Tilbrook Transitional Services - Enterprise eSolutions Centrelink (http://www.centrelink.gov.au) 2 Faulding Street Symonston ACT 2609 Tel: (02) 62115927 "Daniel Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> l.com> cc: Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX 20/12/2003 01:58 Please respond to cf-talk | [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Alright, I give up...I can't find how to do this either. Anyone know where the startup preferences are? (I checked Edit -> Preferences and the help files, but I can't find anything) Tyler _ From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX Daniel Farmer wrote: > I found DWMX takes too long to load and hogs system resources. You can drastically increase dreamweavers loading time by going into the startup preferences and telling it NOT to load the JSP libraries, ASP libraries, etc... - Rick _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
HHAHAHAHHAHAH - Original Message - From: Marlon Moyer To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 2:36 PM Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX If that's the case, I must be a better programmer than you, because I use jEdit. No sissy snippet functions for me. Hah! If I was any more of a man, I'd use windows notepad or maybe even edlin. marlon Schuster, Steven wrote: > Fundamental difference between programmers and web developers... > > > I have noticed that "programmer" like Studio much better than Dreamweaver > whereas "web site designers" like dreamweaver. > > > They may both program in CF but the difference to me is that one is > written > with a coder in mind and the other was written with a designer in mind. > > > I cam from a programming background, I mean hardcore as in C++ with VI or > Emacs...so to me CF 5 is much better... > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
I use a lot of snippets, in both DWMX 2K4 and HS5 & 1/2, and that's pretty
nifty...Thanks Raymond->
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 3:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
I'm not sure if this is a copyright violation or not, but here is the
relevant info:
Using dynamic variables in snippets
You can add variables to snippets. Snippet variables take the same form as
VTML variables: $${VARNAME}. When you insert a snippet with a variable into
a document, HomeSite+ prompts you to enter a value.
You can also include a list of values for a variable; for example,
$${COLOR:Blue,Red,Green}. When a snippet with this variable is executed, a
drop-down list appears with the options (Blue, Red, Green) in the Value
column. You can use variables in a snippet for attribute values.
The following is a list of supported predefined variables:
$${DATE}
$${MONTH}
$${TIME}
$${DATETIME}
$${DAYOFWEEK}
$${CURRENTFILE} - Current file name (just the file)
$${CURRENTFOLDER} - Current folder (just the folder)
$${CURRENTPATH} - Current path (full file name)
$${USERNAME} - Current user
$${MONTHNUMBER} - Month as a number
$${DAYOFMONTH} - Day of month as a number
$${DAYOFWEEKNUMBER} - Day of week (the week starts on Sunday)
$${DATETIME24} - DateTime24 - a 24 hour clock version of datetime.
$${YEAR} - Current year.
$${YEAR2DIGIT} - Current two digit year.
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Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
> Looks like "Anonymous" should have used the grammar checker. :-) Maybe he wasn't an english native speaker :-) No kidding, I've got this quote from a forum many years ago (I keep a small collection of programming related quotes), I never managed to find the author's name Massimo [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
I'm not sure if this is a copyright violation or not, but here is the
relevant info:
Using dynamic variables in snippets
You can add variables to snippets. Snippet variables take the same form as
VTML variables: $${VARNAME}. When you insert a snippet with a variable into
a document, HomeSite+ prompts you to enter a value.
You can also include a list of values for a variable; for example,
$${COLOR:Blue,Red,Green}. When a snippet with this variable is executed, a
drop-down list appears with the options (Blue, Red, Green) in the Value
column. You can use variables in a snippet for attribute values.
The following is a list of supported predefined variables:
$${DATE}
$${MONTH}
$${TIME}
$${DATETIME}
$${DAYOFWEEK}
$${CURRENTFILE} - Current file name (just the file)
$${CURRENTFOLDER} - Current folder (just the folder)
$${CURRENTPATH} - Current path (full file name)
$${USERNAME} - Current user
$${MONTHNUMBER} - Month as a number
$${DAYOFMONTH} - Day of month as a number
$${DAYOFWEEKNUMBER} - Day of week (the week starts on Sunday)
$${DATETIME24} - DateTime24 - a 24 hour clock version of datetime.
$${YEAR} - Current year.
$${YEAR2DIGIT} - Current two digit year.
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RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
What does your docs say about dynamic stuff? Mine doesn't even mention the word dynamic once, here's the whole page (and the next page is about accessibility): Saving a code block as a snippet A code snippet is a block of code or content that you store for reuse. You can comment your snippets just as you would any code block. To create a code snippet: 1. Before adding a snippet, you must create a folder. To do so, click the Snippets tab in the Resources window, right-click in the Snippets panel, and select Create Folder. You can create additional folders as needed. The default location for snippets is the \UserData\Snippets folder below your root directory. 2. Enter a name for the folder. 3. Right-click in the Snippets pane and select Add Snippet to open the Snippet dialog box. 4. Enter a name for the snippet in the Description box. Note that snippet names cannot contain characters that are illegal in filenames, such as slashes, special characters, or double quotes. 5. In the Start Text window, enter or paste an opening code block. You can set a default spacing between the blocks by pressing the Enter key at the end of the start text and at the beginning of the end text. 6. In the End Text window, enter a closing code block. 7. Click OK. Because snippets can be created as start and end blocks, you can use them to surround other tags and content. This is handy for inserting special formatting, navigation elements, and script blocks. Simply highlight the content you want to surround, then insert the snippet. To insert a code snippet, do either of the following: * Double-click an entry in the Snippets panel. * Right-click and select Insert into document from the popup menu. To edit or delete a code snippet: * Right-click the snippet and choose the appropriate command (Edit or Delete) from the snippets shortcut menus. To manage code snippets and snippet folders: * Use the snippets shortcut (right-click) menus. Sharing snippets You can share code snippets with other developers by giving them access to a shared folder on your computer or on another network computer. To create a shared snippets folder: 1. Open Options > Settings > Locations. 2. In the Shared Snippets box, click Browse and navigate to the shared folder location and click OK. 3. In the Snippets panel, right-click, and select Create Shared Folder. The folder toolbutton changes color to show that it is shared. Anyone with access to the shared folder can now add, edit, and delete snippets. Assigning a shortcut key to a snippet Open the Options > Customize dialog box and select the Snippet Shortcuts tab to enable a keyboard shortcuts for a snippet. Select a snippet and press keys to enter the combination in the box at the bottom. If a combination is in use, the current command appears below the shortcut box. To overwrite a combination, click Apply. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Looks like "Anonymous" should have used the grammar checker. :-) -Original Message- From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 3:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX True coders don't use just tools, they use their brains. They use what is necessary to make it run fast, look good, and finished quickly. Or whatever compromised mix of the above given the available deadline and budget. - Anonymous Massimo Foti Certified Dreamweaver MX Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer http://www.massimocorner.com/ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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True coders don't use just tools, they use their brains. They use what is necessary to make it run fast, look good, and finished quickly. Or whatever compromised mix of the above given the available deadline and budget. - Anonymous Massimo Foti Certified Dreamweaver MX Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer http://www.massimocorner.com/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Well, I think what Steven meant is that CFS5 functions are more geared towards your average generalized programmer while functions in DWMX are more suitable for your average generalized web site designer. I don't think using notepad makes someone a better programmer - it lucks some basic futures that I as a programmer find useful, then again I know many people that stick with notepad like utilities (all of them are from *nix world - not to say that Win people are unable to use it). Disclaimer :) I am just generalizing here, I am sure there are people that stand out of the crowd. Also, my generalizations are based on my personal experience and might not be representative of the whole profession. TK -Original Message- From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 2:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX If that's the case, I must be a better programmer than you, because I use jEdit. No sissy snippet functions for me. Hah! If I was any more of a man, I'd use windows notepad or maybe even edlin. marlon Schuster, Steven wrote: > Fundamental difference between programmers and web developers... > > > I have noticed that "programmer" like Studio much better than Dreamweaver > whereas "web site designers" like dreamweaver. > > > They may both program in CF but the difference to me is that one is > written > with a coder in mind and the other was written with a designer in mind. > > > I cam from a programming background, I mean hardcore as in C++ with VI or > Emacs...so to me CF 5 is much better... > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
If that's the case, I must be a better programmer than you, because I use jEdit. No sissy snippet functions for me. Hah! If I was any more of a man, I'd use windows notepad or maybe even edlin. marlon Schuster, Steven wrote: > Fundamental difference between programmers and web developers... > > > I have noticed that "programmer" like Studio much better than Dreamweaver > whereas "web site designers" like dreamweaver. > > > They may both program in CF but the difference to me is that one is > written > with a coder in mind and the other was written with a designer in mind. > > > I cam from a programming background, I mean hardcore as in C++ with VI or > Emacs...so to me CF 5 is much better... > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Bah! Hambug! with the generalizations!
I'm a coder that prefers DW and chose Design View on first run :)
- Calvin
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From: Tom Kitta
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:13 PM
Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Good point Steven. I also noticed that "hard core" programmers like CFS5
while the web site designers ("soft core"? :) ) like DW.
TK
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From: Schuster, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:47 PM
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Fundamental difference between programmers and web developers...
I have noticed that "programmer" like Studio much better than Dreamweaver
whereas "web site designers" like dreamweaver.
They may both program in CF but the difference to me is that one is
written
with a coder in mind and the other was written with a designer in mind.
I cam from a programming background, I mean hardcore as in C++ with VI or
Emacs...so to me CF 5 is much better...
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From: Daniel Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:38 PM
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Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
ALLAIRE RULES
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From: Dave Watts
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
> CFS5 Kicks DWMX ass anytime. It is faster and more stable. I
> don't care what hardware you are on - the bottom line is that
> CFS5 is faster than DWMX on any hardware.
We're talking about a text editor, not a compiler. How fast does it have
to
be? On my laptop (which is hardly a blazing machine) Dreamweaver MX 2004
runs well enough that it doesn't slow me down any.
In exchange, it gives me a usable design view, templates, an incredibly
powerful search and replace interface, and all sorts of other stuff I
find
very helpful.
There are plenty of things I don't like about Dreamweaver, but they're
outweighed by the good things in my opinion. For that matter, there were
plenty of things I didn't like about CF Studio - it's not like that was
God's gift to text editing, either.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
I had a hard time finding the docs for this as well. It is here: Using HS+ for Dreamweaver MX / Writing Code and Web Content / Saving a block of code as a snippet The dynamic stuff is towards the end. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Heh, I'd have to choose designer then, as I actually like having the Assets, Databases, Components, Server Behaviours and Bindings, which much of that stuff feeds :) - Calvin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:02 PM Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX well one thing i think they could put in is a set up utility. Meaning that you could say choose cfm coder and it would disable all the other stuff u wouldnt use like asp, asp.net, php. as far as setting it up now it only takes like 3 minutes > I hear ya :) > > anyway, I like it for cfc dummy work, but other than that, its TOOO > SLOW... > > why should I have to customize it to make it fast? shouldn't it come > like that outta the box??? > > tw [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Good point Steven. I also noticed that "hard core" programmers like CFS5
while the web site designers ("soft core"? :) ) like DW.
TK
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From: Schuster, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:47 PM
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Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Fundamental difference between programmers and web developers...
I have noticed that "programmer" like Studio much better than Dreamweaver
whereas "web site designers" like dreamweaver.
They may both program in CF but the difference to me is that one is
written
with a coder in mind and the other was written with a designer in mind.
I cam from a programming background, I mean hardcore as in C++ with VI or
Emacs...so to me CF 5 is much better...
-Original Message-
From: Daniel Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
ALLAIRE RULES
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From: Dave Watts
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
> CFS5 Kicks DWMX ass anytime. It is faster and more stable. I
> don't care what hardware you are on - the bottom line is that
> CFS5 is faster than DWMX on any hardware.
We're talking about a text editor, not a compiler. How fast does it have
to
be? On my laptop (which is hardly a blazing machine) Dreamweaver MX 2004
runs well enough that it doesn't slow me down any.
In exchange, it gives me a usable design view, templates, an incredibly
powerful search and replace interface, and all sorts of other stuff I
find
very helpful.
There are plenty of things I don't like about Dreamweaver, but they're
outweighed by the good things in my opinion. For that matter, there were
plenty of things I didn't like about CF Studio - it's not like that was
God's gift to text editing, either.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
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well one thing i think they could put in is a set up utility. Meaning that you could say choose cfm coder and it would disable all the other stuff u wouldnt use like asp, asp.net, php. as far as setting it up now it only takes like 3 minutes > I hear ya :) > > anyway, I like it for cfc dummy work, but other than that, its TOOO > SLOW... > > why should I have to customize it to make it fast? shouldn't it come > like that outta the box??? > > tw [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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I hear ya :) anyway, I like it for cfc dummy work, but other than that, its TOOO SLOW... why should I have to customize it to make it fast? shouldn't it come like that outta the box??? tw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX tony< put the pipe down and slowly walk away, lol :)~ i sent u some good stuff 4 dw did u get it? > that's fine, I have 2.6ghz processor with 1gb ram, and dwmx cant > touch > hs+ as far as speed goes not even a close race. > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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tony< put the pipe down and slowly walk away, lol :)~ i sent u some good stuff 4 dw did u get it? > that's fine, I have 2.6ghz processor with 1gb ram, and dwmx cant touch > hs+ as far as speed goes not even a close race. > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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another thing dwmx doesn't do is order folders in the tree view, like windows does. I have folders specifically with ~'s in the names, so that they would be @ the top of the list, and they arent, they are @ the bottom of the list, like its orders by the alphabet first, then special characters, and that doesn't adhere to our OS like we are used to. hs+ does, so did cfs5 tw -Original Message- From: Mickael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX I use DWMX and there are things I like about it and things I don't. One thing I can't stand is when I have a file in a particular folder then I want to use that template in another folder so I go to file save as.. DWMX re writes all my paths. For example if I had The files that I saved in a new directory will have height="1"> This drives me nuts. Does someone know how to turn that off? Mike - Original Message - From: Kevin Graeme To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:48 AM Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX > I am not 100% sure, but if you go to Preferences > Code Rewriting and > uncheck "Rename form items when pasting" it should stop. At least, it > should, if not, file a bug report Brilliant, thanks! -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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that's fine, I have 2.6ghz processor with 1gb ram, and dwmx cant touch hs+ as far as speed goes not even a close race. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX > CFS5 Kicks DWMX ass anytime. It is faster and more stable. I don't > care what hardware you are on - the bottom line is that > CFS5 is faster than DWMX on any hardware. We're talking about a text editor, not a compiler. How fast does it have to be? On my laptop (which is hardly a blazing machine) Dreamweaver MX 2004 runs well enough that it doesn't slow me down any. In exchange, it gives me a usable design view, templates, an incredibly powerful search and replace interface, and all sorts of other stuff I find very helpful. There are plenty of things I don't like about Dreamweaver, but they're outweighed by the good things in my opinion. For that matter, there were plenty of things I didn't like about CF Studio - it's not like that was God's gift to text editing, either. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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If MM could just make it skinnable then it would be better. The big problem (and others) have with it is that it feels so bulky. There's so many curves and dead space that it doesn't feel comfortable. If MM really wanted to get all of us Studio users (you'd be surprised how many people still use it even in the 4.5 edition) to change all they have to do is: 1. Make the UI skinnable and release a 'tight' skin with no curves or dead space. Just the interface, nothing pretty. 2. Allow for custom tool bars that can be moved, docked to sides, etc. Also skinnable so they can be small (like the Studio tool bars). That's it. Just make it comfortable and programmers would be more attracted to it. I've tried to use it for years now and still feel uncomfortable with it. :( > Well, I decided to try out DWMX for some coding yesterday... > > And it was good. I actually liked it. > > The color coding was nicer than Homesite+. The browser check was nice. The > css integration was great. I even enjoyed the split code/design view. > > I may never turn back :) > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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ALLAIRE FOREVER! - Original Message - From: Daniel Farmer To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX ALLAIRE RULES - Original Message - From: Dave Watts To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:43 PM Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX > CFS5 Kicks DWMX ass anytime. It is faster and more stable. I > don't care what hardware you are on - the bottom line is that > CFS5 is faster than DWMX on any hardware. We're talking about a text editor, not a compiler. How fast does it have to be? On my laptop (which is hardly a blazing machine) Dreamweaver MX 2004 runs well enough that it doesn't slow me down any. In exchange, it gives me a usable design view, templates, an incredibly powerful search and replace interface, and all sorts of other stuff I find very helpful. There are plenty of things I don't like about Dreamweaver, but they're outweighed by the good things in my opinion. For that matter, there were plenty of things I didn't like about CF Studio - it's not like that was God's gift to text editing, either. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Fundamental difference between programmers and web developers... I have noticed that "programmer" like Studio much better than Dreamweaver whereas "web site designers" like dreamweaver. They may both program in CF but the difference to me is that one is written with a coder in mind and the other was written with a designer in mind. I cam from a programming background, I mean hardcore as in C++ with VI or Emacs...so to me CF 5 is much better... -Original Message- From: Daniel Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX ALLAIRE RULES - Original Message - From: Dave Watts To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:43 PM Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX > CFS5 Kicks DWMX ass anytime. It is faster and more stable. I > don't care what hardware you are on - the bottom line is that > CFS5 is faster than DWMX on any hardware. We're talking about a text editor, not a compiler. How fast does it have to be? On my laptop (which is hardly a blazing machine) Dreamweaver MX 2004 runs well enough that it doesn't slow me down any. In exchange, it gives me a usable design view, templates, an incredibly powerful search and replace interface, and all sorts of other stuff I find very helpful. There are plenty of things I don't like about Dreamweaver, but they're outweighed by the good things in my opinion. For that matter, there were plenty of things I didn't like about CF Studio - it's not like that was God's gift to text editing, either. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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you mean they "ruled" cant live in the past ;) > ALLAIRE RULES [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Agreed. One of the things I like is the fairly robust Find and Replace... Search Entire Site for every occurence of with a datasoure of "mydata" that contains INSERT INTO myTable. - Calvin - Original Message - From: Mickael To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:01 PM Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX I use DWMX and there are things I like about it and things I don't. One thing I can't stand is when I have a file in a particular folder then I want to use that template in another folder so I go to file save as.. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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ALLAIRE RULES - Original Message - From: Dave Watts To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:43 PM Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX > CFS5 Kicks DWMX ass anytime. It is faster and more stable. I > don't care what hardware you are on - the bottom line is that > CFS5 is faster than DWMX on any hardware. We're talking about a text editor, not a compiler. How fast does it have to be? On my laptop (which is hardly a blazing machine) Dreamweaver MX 2004 runs well enough that it doesn't slow me down any. In exchange, it gives me a usable design view, templates, an incredibly powerful search and replace interface, and all sorts of other stuff I find very helpful. There are plenty of things I don't like about Dreamweaver, but they're outweighed by the good things in my opinion. For that matter, there were plenty of things I didn't like about CF Studio - it's not like that was God's gift to text editing, either. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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> CFS5 Kicks DWMX ass anytime. It is faster and more stable. I > don't care what hardware you are on - the bottom line is that > CFS5 is faster than DWMX on any hardware. We're talking about a text editor, not a compiler. How fast does it have to be? On my laptop (which is hardly a blazing machine) Dreamweaver MX 2004 runs well enough that it doesn't slow me down any. In exchange, it gives me a usable design view, templates, an incredibly powerful search and replace interface, and all sorts of other stuff I find very helpful. There are plenty of things I don't like about Dreamweaver, but they're outweighed by the good things in my opinion. For that matter, there were plenty of things I didn't like about CF Studio - it's not like that was God's gift to text editing, either. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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I have this problem when I move templates between sites. Often I try to reuse pieces of code and it even does it to includes. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX go to manage sites and edit that site. then click on the advanced tab and set the default image folder to your images folder. What happens is that when you set that it puts the image in that folder, if you dont do that then it tries to locate it where it found it. > I use DWMX and there are things I like about it and things I don't. One > thing I can't stand is when I have a file in a particular folder then I > want to use that template in another folder so I go to file save as.. > > DWMX re writes all my paths. > > For example if I had > > > > The files that I saved in a new directory will have > > > height="1"> > > This drives me nuts. Does someone know how to turn that off? > > Mike > - Original Message - > From: Kevin Graeme > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX > > > > I am not 100% sure, but if you go to Preferences > Code Rewriting > and uncheck "Rename form items when pasting" it should stop. At > least, it should, if not, file a bug report > > Brilliant, thanks! > > -Kevin > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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I agree. I always enjoyed CF Studio. DW has always been a dissapointment to me. Althought MX is not bad. I do like the built in references. - Original Message - From: Tom Kitta To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:36 AM Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX CFS5 Kicks DWMX ass anytime. It is faster and more stable. I don't care what hardware you are on - the bottom line is that CFS5 is faster than DWMX on any hardware. Plus the layout of the program as well as ease of use is much better. Sometimes making the user responsible for more things is better - DW is trying to think for the user too much - this creates problems as I want to feel that I am in charge. CFS5 has a nice blend of control. In my office few people (including myself) tried DWMX and after playing around with it are still with studio. Later on we might upgrade to HS6 once it comes out (if ever). If MM drops HS product line completely they will loose us as customers since we will move to alternate editors. TK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX FYI~ u can make your own custom toolbar in DWmx 2004 in a few easy clicks. Its great u can mix and match what u use and have it all right there. if you have memory problems, spend $10 and get some more memory. i run a p4 2.4 ghz dell with 768mb rdram and dw is very fast > The main reason I won't do that is because I rely on my custom toolbars > so much. > > Besides, they aren't THAT different... > > Pete > > Raymond Camden wrote: >> Just as an FYI, if you are still using CFS5, you should really >> consider upgrading to HomeSite+ 5.5. >> > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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go to manage sites and edit that site. then click on the advanced tab and set the default image folder to your images folder. What happens is that when you set that it puts the image in that folder, if you dont do that then it tries to locate it where it found it. > I use DWMX and there are things I like about it and things I don't. One > thing I can't stand is when I have a file in a particular folder then I > want to use that template in another folder so I go to file save as.. > > DWMX re writes all my paths. > > For example if I had > > > > The files that I saved in a new directory will have > > > height="1"> > > This drives me nuts. Does someone know how to turn that off? > > Mike > - Original Message - > From: Kevin Graeme > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX > > > > I am not 100% sure, but if you go to Preferences > Code Rewriting > and uncheck "Rename form items when pasting" it should stop. At > least, it should, if not, file a bug report > > Brilliant, thanks! > > -Kevin > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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I use DWMX and there are things I like about it and things I don't. One thing I can't stand is when I have a file in a particular folder then I want to use that template in another folder so I go to file save as.. DWMX re writes all my paths. For example if I had The files that I saved in a new directory will have This drives me nuts. Does someone know how to turn that off? Mike - Original Message - From: Kevin Graeme To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:48 AM Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX > I am not 100% sure, but if you go to Preferences > Code Rewriting and > uncheck "Rename form items when pasting" it should stop. At least, it > should, if not, file a bug report Brilliant, thanks! -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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> I am not 100% sure, but if you go to Preferences > Code Rewriting and > uncheck "Rename form items when pasting" it should stop. At least, it > should, if not, file a bug report Brilliant, thanks! -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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thats why we all get personal opinions i tried homesite and i think it sucks and sure maybe technically hs is a bit faster but i cant tell on my comp in "real" time therefore hardware is does make a difference. layout is just what you are used to being able to use extensions alone makes it worth it to me. but then again i am not a pro but as long as you get your work done, it doesnt matter what you use, as long as you are comfy doing it:) > CFS5 Kicks DWMX ass anytime. It is faster and more stable. I don't care > what hardware you are on - the bottom line is that CFS5 is faster than > DWMX on any hardware. Plus the layout of the program as well as ease of > use is much better. Sometimes making the user responsible for more > things is better - DW is trying to think for the user too much - this > creates problems as I want to feel that I am in charge. CFS5 has a nice > blend of control. In my office few people (including myself) tried DWMX > and after playing around with it are still with studio. Later on we > might upgrade to HS6 once it comes out (if ever). If MM drops HS product > line completely they will loose us as customers since we will move to > alternate editors. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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CFS5 Kicks DWMX ass anytime. It is faster and more stable. I don't care what hardware you are on - the bottom line is that CFS5 is faster than DWMX on any hardware. Plus the layout of the program as well as ease of use is much better. Sometimes making the user responsible for more things is better - DW is trying to think for the user too much - this creates problems as I want to feel that I am in charge. CFS5 has a nice blend of control. In my office few people (including myself) tried DWMX and after playing around with it are still with studio. Later on we might upgrade to HS6 once it comes out (if ever). If MM drops HS product line completely they will loose us as customers since we will move to alternate editors. TK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX FYI~ u can make your own custom toolbar in DWmx 2004 in a few easy clicks. Its great u can mix and match what u use and have it all right there. if you have memory problems, spend $10 and get some more memory. i run a p4 2.4 ghz dell with 768mb rdram and dw is very fast > The main reason I won't do that is because I rely on my custom toolbars > so much. > > Besides, they aren't THAT different... > > Pete > > Raymond Camden wrote: >> Just as an FYI, if you are still using CFS5, you should really >> consider upgrading to HomeSite+ 5.5. >> > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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I have stopped using DreamWeaver and I now use PrimalScript from www.sapien.com - kicks DW's tail any day... my 2 cents Raymond Camden wrote: > Ah, but you can still turn them on/off as well as setting a particular > order. > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Ah, but you can still turn them on/off as well as setting a particular order. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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True but it was missing the dockable/undockable resourse windows after the Adobe/macromedia spat, for some reason, not having those always pi**ed me off. But then most developers/programmers are a bit odd ;-) -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 December 2003 15:40 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX Well, you do know that HS+ 5.2 _is_ Studio, right? By "not as good" do you mean more bugs? I believe 5.2 had the infamous UI/no custimizing thing, but that is no longer true of 5.5. 5.5 is NOT bug free (but what is) but is certainly better than CFS5. Tremendously better... I'm not sure .. then again, it is essentially a half point upgrade from CFS 5. _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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some speed up tips http://sniptools.com/vault/speed-up-dreamweaver-mx-some-performance-boosting-tips.htm http://www.dwteam.com/Articles/speedhints/index.asp [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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> Another problem is the rewriting of some code. I have a page that does a > to determine which version of a form to show. Some of the form > elements have the same names and IDs but that's okay because they're in > different forms separated by the if statements. But in DW's design view, if > I try to just highlight the input element and drag it to a new location on > the page, it notices that there is another element with the same name and it > rewrites the name and id on the one I'm dragging. I am not 100% sure, but if you go to Preferences > Code Rewriting and uncheck "Rename form items when pasting" it should stop. At least, it should, if not, file a bug report > I like DW, and I've used it since version 1, but I don't completely trust it > and if I need to edit something in code fast I will still use a text-only > editor like HomeSite. Same here :-) Massimo Foti Certified Dreamweaver MX Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer http://www.massimocorner.com/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Well, you do know that HS+ 5.2 _is_ Studio, right? By "not as good" do you mean more bugs? I believe 5.2 had the infamous UI/no custimizing thing, but that is no longer true of 5.5. 5.5 is NOT bug free (but what is) but is certainly better than CFS5. Tremendously better... I'm not sure .. then again, it is essentially a half point upgrade from CFS 5. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Hi Rick, Where in preferences is that exactly? I couldn't find it - Original Message - From: Rick Root To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX Daniel Farmer wrote: > I found DWMX takes too long to load and hogs system resources. You can drastically increase dreamweavers loading time by going into the startup preferences and telling it NOT to load the JSP libraries, ASP libraries, etc... - Rick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Make sure you let Macromedia know what is wrong with their flagship product. The File Explorer affects non code developers as well! - Calvin - Original Message - From: Rick Root To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX Kwang Suh wrote: > Well, I decided to try out DWMX for some coding yesterday... > > And it was good. I actually liked it. > > The color coding was nicer than Homesite+. The browser check was nice. The > css integration was great. I even enjoyed the split code/design view. > > I may never turn back :) You're a stronger person than I am! I tried it a few months ago and didn't like it... still using Homesite+ here. =) One of things I disliked about it the most was the way the file explorer differed from Homesite... I like the separate directory and files panes in Homesite+... Those component wizards and web services wizards in DWMX sure looked nice at MAX though when I saw 'em... who knows maybe someday I'll switch =) - Rick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
It's a nice editor, but sometime it trys to be too smart. I have an frameset with one of the frames loading a dynamically assigned url. marginwidth="0" marginheight="0"> This throws an error every time I load it in DW because it's trying to find the actual filename referenced, but there's obviously no file called by the variable name. Another problem is the rewriting of some code. I have a page that does a to determine which version of a form to show. Some of the form elements have the same names and IDs but that's okay because they're in different forms separated by the if statements. But in DW's design view, if I try to just highlight the input element and drag it to a new location on the page, it notices that there is another element with the same name and it rewrites the name and id on the one I'm dragging. That breaks things. It works fine in code view, but an advantage of DW is supposed to be the ability to move stuff around in design view. I like DW, and I've used it since version 1, but I don't completely trust it and if I need to edit something in code fast I will still use a text-only editor like HomeSite. -Kevin - Original Message - From: "Kwang Suh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:45 AM Subject: Joining the dark side - using DWMX > Well, I decided to try out DWMX for some coding yesterday... > > And it was good. I actually liked it. > > The color coding was nicer than Homesite+. The browser check was nice. The > css integration was great. I even enjoyed the split code/design view. > > I may never turn back :) > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Any particular reason Ray? is 5.5 any different to 5.2? (which wasn't as good as CFS5 imho) -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 December 2003 15:13 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX Just as an FYI, if you are still using CFS5, you should really consider upgrading to HomeSite+ 5.5. _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
FYI~ u can make your own custom toolbar in DWmx 2004 in a few easy clicks. Its great u can mix and match what u use and have it all right there. if you have memory problems, spend $10 and get some more memory. i run a p4 2.4 ghz dell with 768mb rdram and dw is very fast > The main reason I won't do that is because I rely on my custom toolbars > so much. > > Besides, they aren't THAT different... > > Pete > > Raymond Camden wrote: >> Just as an FYI, if you are still using CFS5, you should really >> consider upgrading to HomeSite+ 5.5. >> > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
It is the latest version, so it has all the latest fixes, updates, etc. HS+ 5.5 is essentially CF Studio 5.5. One interesting new feature - you can make snippets with auto-populating data. So for example, I have a header snippet that inserts the current data as the Creation: field in my header, as well as the file name. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
You can have custom toolbars in HS+ 5.5 as well. For a while they were out, but they are back in now. I use custom toolbars as well. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
DW has a fabulous snippets panel, and snippets are easy to make & u can get a ton of them at www.dwfaq.com > I too tried Dreamweaver and did not mind it, but here is my scenario... > I am into the habit of developing layouts that are reusable as well as > small pieces of design elements that may be used within pages on > different projects, etc so from the graphical layout perspective DW > offers me no incentive since I can use my saved snippets and code blocks > in homesite as I do now. Additionally, I am so used to typing things > out, that combined with the familiarity with homesite+ toolbars, using > DW slows me down. > > I suppose that I am just too comfortable with my current setup: > homesite+, enterprise manager, Photoshop CS, and XML Spy > Flipping between these programs for related tasks that I need to > complete is second nature plus it doesn't get me locked into one > application. > > Just my thoughts... > > Happy Friday, > > Mike > > -Original Message- > From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:03 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX > > > Kwang Suh wrote: > >> Well, I decided to try out DWMX for some coding yesterday... >> >> And it was good. I actually liked it. >> >> The color coding was nicer than Homesite+. The browser check was >> nice. > The >> css integration was great. I even enjoyed the split code/design view. >> >> I may never turn back :) > > You're a stronger person than I am! I tried it a few months ago and > didn't like it... still using Homesite+ here. =) > > One of things I disliked about it the most was the way the file explorer > differed from Homesite... I like the separate directory and files panes > in Homesite+... > > Those component wizards and web services wizards in DWMX sure looked > nice at MAX though when I saw 'em... who knows maybe someday I'll switch > =) > > - Rick > _ > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Why is this Raymond? -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX Just as an FYI, if you are still using CFS5, you should really consider upgrading to HomeSite+ 5.5. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
The main reason I won't do that is because I rely on my custom toolbars so much. Besides, they aren't THAT different... Pete Raymond Camden wrote: > Just as an FYI, if you are still using CFS5, you should really consider > upgrading to HomeSite+ 5.5. > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
I too tried Dreamweaver and did not mind it, but here is my scenario... I am into the habit of developing layouts that are reusable as well as small pieces of design elements that may be used within pages on different projects, etc so from the graphical layout perspective DW offers me no incentive since I can use my saved snippets and code blocks in homesite as I do now. Additionally, I am so used to typing things out, that combined with the familiarity with homesite+ toolbars, using DW slows me down. I suppose that I am just too comfortable with my current setup: homesite+, enterprise manager, Photoshop CS, and XML Spy Flipping between these programs for related tasks that I need to complete is second nature plus it doesn't get me locked into one application. Just my thoughts... Happy Friday, Mike -Original Message- From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX Kwang Suh wrote: > Well, I decided to try out DWMX for some coding yesterday... > > And it was good. I actually liked it. > > The color coding was nicer than Homesite+. The browser check was nice. The > css integration was great. I even enjoyed the split code/design view. > > I may never turn back :) You're a stronger person than I am! I tried it a few months ago and didn't like it... still using Homesite+ here. =) One of things I disliked about it the most was the way the file explorer differed from Homesite... I like the separate directory and files panes in Homesite+... Those component wizards and web services wizards in DWMX sure looked nice at MAX though when I saw 'em... who knows maybe someday I'll switch =) - Rick _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
I got DevNet, so there :) -Original Message- From: Daniel Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 19, 2003 7:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX I use HTML-Kit... A great little program ( and it's free ) You can download CF plugins, ASP, SQL plugins ETC I ain't going to shell out $300 for studio!!! http://www.chami.com/html-kit/ I found DWMX takes too long to load and hogs system resources. - Original Message - From: Kwang Suh To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: Joining the dark side - using DWMX Well, I decided to try out DWMX for some coding yesterday... And it was good. I actually liked it. The color coding was nicer than Homesite+. The browser check was nice. The css integration was great. I even enjoyed the split code/design view. I may never turn back :) _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Just as an FYI, if you are still using CFS5, you should really consider upgrading to HomeSite+ 5.5. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Daniel Farmer wrote: > I found DWMX takes too long to load and hogs system resources. You can drastically increase dreamweavers loading time by going into the startup preferences and telling it NOT to load the JSP libraries, ASP libraries, etc... - Rick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
Kwang Suh wrote: > Well, I decided to try out DWMX for some coding yesterday... > > And it was good. I actually liked it. > > The color coding was nicer than Homesite+. The browser check was nice. The > css integration was great. I even enjoyed the split code/design view. > > I may never turn back :) You're a stronger person than I am! I tried it a few months ago and didn't like it... still using Homesite+ here. =) One of things I disliked about it the most was the way the file explorer differed from Homesite... I like the separate directory and files panes in Homesite+... Those component wizards and web services wizards in DWMX sure looked nice at MAX though when I saw 'em... who knows maybe someday I'll switch =) - Rick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
It will never beat Cold Fusion Studio 5...never I say! -Original Message- From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Joining the dark side - using DWMX Well, I decided to try out DWMX for some coding yesterday... And it was good. I actually liked it. The color coding was nicer than Homesite+. The browser check was nice. The css integration was great. I even enjoyed the split code/design view. I may never turn back :) _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
I use HTML-Kit... A great little program ( and it's free ) You can download CF plugins, ASP, SQL plugins ETC I ain't going to shell out $300 for studio!!! http://www.chami.com/html-kit/ I found DWMX takes too long to load and hogs system resources. - Original Message - From: Kwang Suh To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: Joining the dark side - using DWMX Well, I decided to try out DWMX for some coding yesterday... And it was good. I actually liked it. The color coding was nicer than Homesite+. The browser check was nice. The css integration was great. I even enjoyed the split code/design view. I may never turn back :) [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
