Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM, george.e...@ssa.gov george.e...@ssa.gov george.e...@ssa.gov wrote: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Adobe-Delivers-Beta-of-ColdFusion-9-and-ColdFusion-Builder-IDE-361260/?kc=EWKNLNAV07152009STR5 George Eweek arrived in mailbox today... No mention of Coldfusion :-( ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324810 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Ja know... If you have a current Eclipse install that you like which contains CFE, and want to try CFB in the same setting, theoretically, you could: 1) Copy your current Eclipse install folder to something like eclipse-cfb 2) Either copy your workspace folder or create a new one 3) Fire up the new eclipse-cfb install and point it at the copied or new workspace 4) Remove the CFE plugin from this new Eclipse install 5) Install CFB as a plugin for this new Eclipse install If you did a new workspace, you can choose the File Import Existing projects into workspace option and import all your existing projects at once (assuming they're all under the chosen import folder). Be sure that the copy existing project data into workspace (or whatever it says) is unchecked, as you probably don't want multiple copies of your projects. I added the bit about the workspace in case settings conflict or something. Could be you'd be fine using the same workspace with both installs. And I guess you could export your preferences from your old workspace and import them into the new one, if you went the new workspace route. Someone said something about an error using existing projects with CFB? If so, that is kinda messed up. Probably project nature, but still. That should totally be graceful. Assuming what I vaguely recollect about said problem is true, and it errors, that is. Heh. Anyways, there you go, a theoretically easy way to try out your existing Eclipse with CFB, without messing your existing install up. Theoretically. -- No person is important enough to make me angry. Thomas Carlyle ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324632 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
If you've never used Eclipse, Adobe wants you to be able to easily install CFB. That's a step in the right direction. The world of Eclipse is confusing at first. It's almost like build-your-own-software land compared to typical software installations. It's still frustrating trying to track down various plug-ins, etc, sometimes. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:48 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK So, choosing the install type of Standard ColdFusion Builder Installation ends up with Eclipse installed? Either approach I take I end up with the same thing? Eclipse first, then CFB...or CFB first and end up Eclipse anyway. Yes. You can either install CFB into your existing Eclipse toolchain, or you can let CFB install Eclipse for you. A little odd... It's not odd at all. If you've never used Eclipse, Adobe wants you to be able to easily install CFB. Just like Flex Builder, which also offers the same choice. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more informatio ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324640 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Sounds like a good way to go... Any other comments/warnings/gotcha's on this procedure? -Original Message- From: denstar [mailto:valliants...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:19 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Ja know... If you have a current Eclipse install that you like which contains CFE, and want to try CFB in the same setting, theoretically, you could: 1) Copy your current Eclipse install folder to something like eclipse-cfb 2) Either copy your workspace folder or create a new one 3) Fire up the new eclipse-cfb install and point it at the copied or new workspace 4) Remove the CFE plugin from this new Eclipse install 5) Install CFB as a plugin for this new Eclipse install If you did a new workspace, you can choose the File Import Existing projects into workspace option and import all your existing projects at once (assuming they're all under the chosen import folder). Be sure that the copy existing project data into workspace (or whatever it says) is unchecked, as you probably don't want multiple copies of your projects. I added the bit about the workspace in case settings conflict or something. Could be you'd be fine using the same workspace with both installs. And I guess you could export your preferences from your old workspace and import them into the new one, if you went the new workspace route. Someone said something about an error using existing projects with CFB? If so, that is kinda messed up. Probably project nature, but still. That should totally be graceful. Assuming what I vaguely recollect about said problem is true, and it errors, that is. Heh. Anyways, there you go, a theoretically easy way to try out your existing Eclipse with CFB, without messing your existing install up. Theoretically. -- No person is important enough to make me angry. Thomas Carlyle ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324641 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Sounds like a good way to go... Any other comments/warnings/gotcha's on this procedure? Different question... Anyone know how to edit keyboard shortcuts? I can pull up keyassist but can't remember how to edit them. seems silly they would put sync upload / download in place and not create a shortcut for it. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324645 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
t's still frustrating trying to track down various plug-ins, etc, sometimes. Eclipse reminds me Linux with all of its dependencies, which is why package managers are such a godsend. Which is also why I am rather partial to Yoxos on demand http://eclipsesource.com/en/yoxos/yoxos-ondemand/ It is like a package manager for Eclipse. It takes care of all the dependencies for you. Not to mention one of the most bad ass web gui's I have seen to date. Check out the public profiles. There are some prebuilt installs for CF (with Mylyn even). G! On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: If you've never used Eclipse, Adobe wants you to be able to easily install CFB. That's a step in the right direction. The world of Eclipse is confusing at first. It's almost like build-your-own-software land compared to typical software installations. It's still frustrating trying to track down various plug-ins, etc, sometimes. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:48 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK So, choosing the install type of Standard ColdFusion Builder Installation ends up with Eclipse installed? Either approach I take I end up with the same thing? Eclipse first, then CFB...or CFB first and end up Eclipse anyway. Yes. You can either install CFB into your existing Eclipse toolchain, or you can let CFB install Eclipse for you. A little odd... It's not odd at all. If you've never used Eclipse, Adobe wants you to be able to easily install CFB. Just like Flex Builder, which also offers the same choice. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more informatio ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324647 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Unfortunately Yoxos is building with Gallileo right now, and the CFB install doesn't appear to work properly with it. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Co-Author of Learning Ext JS http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com On 7/17/2009 8:45 AM, Gerald Guido wrote: t's still frustrating trying to track down various plug-ins, etc, sometimes. Eclipse reminds me Linux with all of its dependencies, which is why package managers are such a godsend. Which is also why I am rather partial to Yoxos on demand http://eclipsesource.com/en/yoxos/yoxos-ondemand/ It is like a package manager for Eclipse. It takes care of all the dependencies for you. Not to mention one of the most bad ass web gui's I have seen to date. Check out the public profiles. There are some prebuilt installs for CF (with Mylyn even). G! On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Rick Fairclothr...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: If you've never used Eclipse, Adobe wants you to be able to easily install CFB. That's a step in the right direction. The world of Eclipse is confusing at first. It's almost like build-your-own-software land compared to typical software installations. It's still frustrating trying to track down various plug-ins, etc, sometimes. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:48 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK So, choosing the install type of Standard ColdFusion Builder Installation ends up with Eclipse installed? Either approach I take I end up with the same thing? Eclipse first, then CFB...or CFB first and end up Eclipse anyway. Yes. You can either install CFB into your existing Eclipse toolchain, or you can let CFB install Eclipse for you. A little odd... It's not odd at all. If you've never used Eclipse, Adobe wants you to be able to easily install CFB. Just like Flex Builder, which also offers the same choice. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more informatio ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324649 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Unfortunately Yoxos is building with Gallileo right now Yeah, I just noticed that they removed the option to chose the version of eclipse. They also removed Aptana and a bunch of other plugins from my saved profiles. Bummer. CFB install doesn't appear to work properly with it. That is odd. I have CFB running on Gallileo and I have not had any issues as of yet. But then again I have not had a chance to really run it through the paces. What seems to be broken so I can check it on my install? I have not installed the stand alone version yet, anyone notice what version of Eclipse is CFB shipping with? G! On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Cutter (ColdFusion) cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: Unfortunately Yoxos is building with Gallileo right now, and the CFB install doesn't appear to work properly with it. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Co-Author of Learning Ext JS http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com On 7/17/2009 8:45 AM, Gerald Guido wrote: t's still frustrating trying to track down various plug-ins, etc, sometimes. Eclipse reminds me Linux with all of its dependencies, which is why package managers are such a godsend. Which is also why I am rather partial to Yoxos on demand http://eclipsesource.com/en/yoxos/yoxos-ondemand/ It is like a package manager for Eclipse. It takes care of all the dependencies for you. Not to mention one of the most bad ass web gui's I have seen to date. Check out the public profiles. There are some prebuilt installs for CF (with Mylyn even). G! On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Rick Fairclothr...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: If you've never used Eclipse, Adobe wants you to be able to easily install CFB. That's a step in the right direction. The world of Eclipse is confusing at first. It's almost like build-your-own-software land compared to typical software installations. It's still frustrating trying to track down various plug-ins, etc, sometimes. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:48 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK So, choosing the install type of Standard ColdFusion Builder Installation ends up with Eclipse installed? Either approach I take I end up with the same thing? Eclipse first, then CFB...or CFB first and end up Eclipse anyway. Yes. You can either install CFB into your existing Eclipse toolchain, or you can let CFB install Eclipse for you. A little odd... It's not odd at all. If you've never used Eclipse, Adobe wants you to be able to easily install CFB. Just like Flex Builder, which also offers the same choice. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more informatio ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324652 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
It was an issue with the Yoxos install, which has it's own custom update engine, that didn't like me installing the CFB plugin. Gave me an error every time I tried to pull up Eclipse, and immediately shut down. I've done a straight vanilla Gallileo install from the Eclipse site now, and have no issues. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Co-Author of Learning Ext JS http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324653 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
I don't know if there's a way to add shortcuts specific to the CF Builder (under ColdFusion -- Editor Profiles -- Editor -- Keys in the preferences, I don't see a way to add. Only edit.). You might be able to try it in the Eclipse-specific shortcuts (General -- Keys) [that's where I had to go to edit the Next/Previous Editor keys, because, for reasons I can't understand, CFBuilder has those as a completely different keyboard combination than I've ever seen -- why change it from the Eclipse standard [I think -- it's certainly common in other applications] of CTRL-Page Up/Down ??) Well, that kind of rambled. Scott Different question... Anyone know how to edit keyboard shortcuts? I can pull up keyassist but can't remember how to edit them. seems silly they would put sync upload / download in place and not create a shortcut for it. -- - Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324656 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Tell me I'm just having a nightmare... Does CFB not maintain folded code state when opening a document? -Original Message- From: Scott Brady [mailto:dsbr...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:20 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK I don't know if there's a way to add shortcuts specific to the CF Builder (under ColdFusion -- Editor Profiles -- Editor -- Keys in the preferences, I don't see a way to add. Only edit.). You might be able to try it in the Eclipse-specific shortcuts (General -- Keys) [that's where I had to go to edit the Next/Previous Editor keys, because, for reasons I can't understand, CFBuilder has those as a completely different keyboard combination than I've ever seen -- why change it from the Eclipse standard [I think -- it's certainly common in other applications] of CTRL-Page Up/Down ??) Well, that kind of rambled. Scott Different question... Anyone know how to edit keyboard shortcuts? I can pull up keyassist but can't remember how to edit them. seems silly they would put sync upload / download in place and not create a shortcut for it. -- - Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324673 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Ahhh! Can only tags that are specified in Preferences be folded? Can I not set folding markers anywhere I want?? -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:44 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Tell me I'm just having a nightmare... Does CFB not maintain folded code state when opening a document? -Original Message- From: Scott Brady [mailto:dsbr...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:20 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK I don't know if there's a way to add shortcuts specific to the CF Builder (under ColdFusion -- Editor Profiles -- Editor -- Keys in the preferences, I don't see a way to add. Only edit.). You might be able to try it in the Eclipse-specific shortcuts (General -- Keys) [that's where I had to go to edit the Next/Previous Editor keys, because, for reasons I can't understand, CFBuilder has those as a completely different keyboard combination than I've ever seen -- why change it from the Eclipse standard [I think -- it's certainly common in other applications] of CTRL-Page Up/Down ??) Well, that kind of rambled. Scott Different question... Anyone know how to edit keyboard shortcuts? I can pull up keyassist but can't remember how to edit them. seems silly they would put sync upload / download in place and not create a shortcut for it. -- - Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324674 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
I came to the same conclusion: http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=78723 On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Tell me I'm just having a nightmare... Does CFB not maintain folded code state when opening a document? -Original Message- From: Scott Brady [mailto:dsbr...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:20 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK I don't know if there's a way to add shortcuts specific to the CF Builder (under ColdFusion -- Editor Profiles -- Editor -- Keys in the preferences, I don't see a way to add. Only edit.). You might be able to try it in the Eclipse-specific shortcuts (General -- Keys) [that's where I had to go to edit the Next/Previous Editor keys, because, for reasons I can't understand, CFBuilder has those as a completely different keyboard combination than I've ever seen -- why change it from the Eclipse standard [I think -- it's certainly common in other applications] of CTRL-Page Up/Down ??) Well, that kind of rambled. Scott Different question... Anyone know how to edit keyboard shortcuts? I can pull up keyassist but can't remember how to edit them. seems silly they would put sync upload / download in place and not create a shortcut for it. -- - Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324675 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Take it easy-- it's a beta. Log a bug and call it a day. The new Flex bug tracker is pretty kick butt. http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html ~Brad Original Message Subject: RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK From: Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com Ahhh! Can only tags that are specified in Preferences be folded? Can I not set folding markers anywhere I want?? -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Tell me I'm just having a nightmare... Does CFB not maintain folded code state when opening a document? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324677 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
As he said, this is a public beta, designed so that you can provide feedback before it's too late to implement them. Take a big deep breath, and file all bugs and enhancements requests, and the sooner the better. --- Ben -Original Message- From: b...@bradwood.com [mailto:b...@bradwood.com] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:09 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Take it easy-- it's a beta. Log a bug and call it a day. The new Flex bug tracker is pretty kick butt. http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html ~Brad Original Message Subject: RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK From: Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com Ahhh! Can only tags that are specified in Preferences be folded? Can I not set folding markers anywhere I want?? -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Tell me I'm just having a nightmare... Does CFB not maintain folded code state when opening a document? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324684 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Hi, Ben. I've calmed down...some. I've just been living with that aggravation in CFE for so long and...well...I just couldn't contain my disappointment. :o/ Boohoo... Enhancement request filed...(who do I need to slip some green to get this feature enhanced...and how much? $300? $500?) :o) If this feature doesn't make it into the RTM of CFB, I'm going to have to pay someone $300 to build in this feature into CFE for me. -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:b...@forta.com] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 6:25 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK As he said, this is a public beta, designed so that you can provide feedback before it's too late to implement them. Take a big deep breath, and file all bugs and enhancements requests, and the sooner the better. --- Ben -Original Message- From: b...@bradwood.com [mailto:b...@bradwood.com] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:09 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Take it easy-- it's a beta. Log a bug and call it a day. The new Flex bug tracker is pretty kick butt. http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html ~Brad Original Message Subject: RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK From: Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com Ahhh! Can only tags that are specified in Preferences be folded? Can I not set folding markers anywhere I want?? -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Tell me I'm just having a nightmare... Does CFB not maintain folded code state when opening a document? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324686 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Rick Fairclothr...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Sounds like a good way to go... Any other comments/warnings/gotcha's on this procedure? Not really. It's what I've done for a bunch of other plugins/testing cfe, etc., so *theoretically* that's about it. Java is marvelous, as far as just being able to copy stuff around, for the most part. -- Old age is not a matter for sorrow. It is matter for thanks if we have left our work done behind us. Thomas Carlyle ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324688 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
When you're writing your applications, do you not try to anticipate certain things users will try that you know may cause problems and then provide them appropriate messages? I think Adobe predicted that a lot of users would try to have CFEclipse and CF Builder on the same Eclipse installation and wanted to provide a more useful message to them. And, given that people have tried that, I think they were right. :) Scott On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Rick Fairclothr...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Yeah, well, it certainly made me a little suspicious when there was a seemingly prepared statement ready to pounce on CFEclipse when its installation was detected. -- - Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324581 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
1. Check out my blog post on ColdFusion Builder memory settings. Flash Builder defaults to use much more memory than CF Builder, which is why you might want to install FB first. We will be updating the default settings for the next release of ColdFusion Builder, but in the meantime: http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/update-your-coldfusion-builder-beta-settings-for-flash-builder-4-beta http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/update-your-coldfusion-builder-beta-settings-for-flash-builder-4-beta2. Many users were testing CFB and CFE together during our private betas. If there are some bugs in the public beta, they are certainly not intentional. -Adam On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Scott Brady dsbr...@gmail.com wrote: Other things I've heard from a reliable source but haven't confirmed: 1) If you plan on using Flex Builder and CF Builder, install Flex Builder as a standalone and then install the CF Builder plugin into it 2) cfeclipse and CF Builder don't work well together in the same installation. Scott ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324586 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Prepared statement? News to me. Can you point me to it? -Adam Lehman ColdFusion Project Manager Adobe Systems Inc On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Yeah, well, it certainly made me a little suspicious when there was a seemingly prepared statement ready to pounce on CFEclipse when its installation was detected. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:11 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is purposefully creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the competition... Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324587 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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By prepared, I meant that the statement was ready to be delivered upon even finding the installation of CFEclipse. Meaning that Adobe must have set up the installation process to look for a CFE installation and warn that the two could not be used together. i.echoose sides...we won't or can't play together on the same playground. How is my assessment inaccurate? -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:38 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Prepared statement? News to me. Can you point me to it? -Adam Lehman ColdFusion Project Manager Adobe Systems Inc On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Yeah, well, it certainly made me a little suspicious when there was a seemingly prepared statement ready to pounce on CFEclipse when its installation was detected. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:11 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is purposefully creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the competition... Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324588 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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Many users were testing CFB and CFE together during our private betas. Are you saying that CFB and CFE were installed as plugins in the same Eclipse installation and functioned without problem? -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:37 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK 1. Check out my blog post on ColdFusion Builder memory settings. Flash Builder defaults to use much more memory than CF Builder, which is why you might want to install FB first. We will be updating the default settings for the next release of ColdFusion Builder, but in the meantime: http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/update-your-coldfusion-builder-beta-s ettings-for-flash-builder-4-beta http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/update-your-coldfusion-builder-beta- settings-for-flash-builder-4-beta2. Many users were testing CFB and CFE together during our private betas. If there are some bugs in the public beta, they are certainly not intentional. -Adam On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Scott Brady dsbr...@gmail.com wrote: Other things I've heard from a reliable source but haven't confirmed: 1) If you plan on using Flex Builder and CF Builder, install Flex Builder as a standalone and then install the CF Builder plugin into it 2) cfeclipse and CF Builder don't work well together in the same installation. Scott ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324589 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
No, I don't think it is. It ilooks to me as if there are large blocks of code, within ColdFusion Builder, that were written by Mark Drew (and it seems I have heard that somewhere). It stands to reason that they wouldn't interoperate, as ultimately they don't just have similar classes and functions, they are the same classes and functions. From what I can tell, ColdFusion Builder has every feature that CFEclipse has, plus more. But, we're talking two separate spaces here: ColdFusion Builder will presumably be a paid application, whereas CFEclipse is an open source application. Is there a need to use both simultaneously? No, I don't think so. The only reason I can (currently) see for switching back and forth is if you are also using the CFFrameworks or MxUnit tools (which are separate), and I'm sure someone will write CFB extensions to emulate that functionality. If someone wrote a warning into the installer, and I'm not saying they haven't (though I haven't seen it), I can see where there's a very valid reason for doing so. It's not an attempt to push out the little guy, or put you in Adobe's black box. It would be a valid warning to let you (the user) know that you will probably have incompatibility issues that will compromise your productivity. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Co-Author of Learning Ext JS http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com On 7/16/2009 9:46 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: By prepared, I meant that the statement was ready to be delivered upon even finding the installation of CFEclipse. Meaning that Adobe must have set up the installation process to look for a CFE installation and warn that the two could not be used together. i.echoose sides...we won't or can't play together on the same playground. How is my assessment inaccurate? -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:38 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Prepared statement? News to me. Can you point me to it? -Adam Lehman ColdFusion Project Manager Adobe Systems Inc On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Yeah, well, it certainly made me a little suspicious when there was a seemingly prepared statement ready to pounce on CFEclipse when its installation was detected. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:11 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is purposefully creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the competition... Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324590 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Adam or anyone else have any luck installing Mylyn to the standalone? That's a deal-breaker for me. Greg Luce Luce Consulting Services, Inc. www.luceconsulting.net (863) 273-0289 On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Cutter (ColdFusion) cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: No, I don't think it is. It ilooks to me as if there are large blocks of code, within ColdFusion Builder, that were written by Mark Drew (and it seems I have heard that somewhere). It stands to reason that they wouldn't interoperate, as ultimately they don't just have similar classes and functions, they are the same classes and functions. From what I can tell, ColdFusion Builder has every feature that CFEclipse has, plus more. But, we're talking two separate spaces here: ColdFusion Builder will presumably be a paid application, whereas CFEclipse is an open source application. Is there a need to use both simultaneously? No, I don't think so. The only reason I can (currently) see for switching back and forth is if you are also using the CFFrameworks or MxUnit tools (which are separate), and I'm sure someone will write CFB extensions to emulate that functionality. If someone wrote a warning into the installer, and I'm not saying they haven't (though I haven't seen it), I can see where there's a very valid reason for doing so. It's not an attempt to push out the little guy, or put you in Adobe's black box. It would be a valid warning to let you (the user) know that you will probably have incompatibility issues that will compromise your productivity. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Co-Author of Learning Ext JS http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com On 7/16/2009 9:46 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: By prepared, I meant that the statement was ready to be delivered upon even finding the installation of CFEclipse. Meaning that Adobe must have set up the installation process to look for a CFE installation and warn that the two could not be used together. i.echoose sides...we won't or can't play together on the same playground. How is my assessment inaccurate? -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:38 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Prepared statement? News to me. Can you point me to it? -Adam Lehman ColdFusion Project Manager Adobe Systems Inc On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Yeah, well, it certainly made me a little suspicious when there was a seemingly prepared statement ready to pounce on CFEclipse when its installation was detected. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:11 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is purposefully creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the competition... Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324596 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Have you tried installing Eclipse, then CFB as a plug-in, then installing Mylyn? Just curious because I'm trying to figure out which way to approach CFB this evening or tomorrow. I'd like (at least) Eclipse, CFB, Subclipse, Amateras (if CFB can't replace it), and perhaps, Mylyn. Seems like the best route extensibility would be Eclipse followed by the plug-ins, rather than CFB with plug-ins... -Original Message- From: Greg Luce [mailto:luce...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:01 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Adam or anyone else have any luck installing Mylyn to the standalone? That's a deal-breaker for me. Greg Luce Luce Consulting Services, Inc. www.luceconsulting.net (863) 273-0289 On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Cutter (ColdFusion) cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: No, I don't think it is. It ilooks to me as if there are large blocks of code, within ColdFusion Builder, that were written by Mark Drew (and it seems I have heard that somewhere). It stands to reason that they wouldn't interoperate, as ultimately they don't just have similar classes and functions, they are the same classes and functions. From what I can tell, ColdFusion Builder has every feature that CFEclipse has, plus more. But, we're talking two separate spaces here: ColdFusion Builder will presumably be a paid application, whereas CFEclipse is an open source application. Is there a need to use both simultaneously? No, I don't think so. The only reason I can (currently) see for switching back and forth is if you are also using the CFFrameworks or MxUnit tools (which are separate), and I'm sure someone will write CFB extensions to emulate that functionality. If someone wrote a warning into the installer, and I'm not saying they haven't (though I haven't seen it), I can see where there's a very valid reason for doing so. It's not an attempt to push out the little guy, or put you in Adobe's black box. It would be a valid warning to let you (the user) know that you will probably have incompatibility issues that will compromise your productivity. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Co-Author of Learning Ext JS http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com On 7/16/2009 9:46 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: By prepared, I meant that the statement was ready to be delivered upon even finding the installation of CFEclipse. Meaning that Adobe must have set up the installation process to look for a CFE installation and warn that the two could not be used together. i.echoose sides...we won't or can't play together on the same playground. How is my assessment inaccurate? -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:38 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Prepared statement? News to me. Can you point me to it? -Adam Lehman ColdFusion Project Manager Adobe Systems Inc On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Yeah, well, it certainly made me a little suspicious when there was a seemingly prepared statement ready to pounce on CFEclipse when its installation was detected. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:11 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is purposefully creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the competition... Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324605 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Have you read the ColdFusion Builder docs about adding third-party plugins? I posted about setting up SVN on my blog and as a part of that I always choose the Subclipse Integration for Mylin. Is this all your looking for? The docs from Adobe state you must add the Ganymede Update site in order for third-party plugins to install properly since this update site allows you to grab the needed dependancies. See my blog post (http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/7/14/Getting-Started-with-ColdFusion-Builder ) for Getting Started with ColdFusion Builder or read the Adobe Documentation if you have not added the Ganymede Update. Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Greg Luce wrote: Adam or anyone else have any luck installing Mylyn to the standalone? That's a deal-breaker for me. Greg Luce Luce Consulting Services, Inc. www.luceconsulting.net (863) 273-0289 On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Cutter (ColdFusion) cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: No, I don't think it is. It ilooks to me as if there are large blocks of code, within ColdFusion Builder, that were written by Mark Drew (and it seems I have heard that somewhere). It stands to reason that they wouldn't interoperate, as ultimately they don't just have similar classes and functions, they are the same classes and functions. From what I can tell, ColdFusion Builder has every feature that CFEclipse has, plus more. But, we're talking two separate spaces here: ColdFusion Builder will presumably be a paid application, whereas CFEclipse is an open source application. Is there a need to use both simultaneously? No, I don't think so. The only reason I can (currently) see for switching back and forth is if you are also using the CFFrameworks or MxUnit tools (which are separate), and I'm sure someone will write CFB extensions to emulate that functionality. If someone wrote a warning into the installer, and I'm not saying they haven't (though I haven't seen it), I can see where there's a very valid reason for doing so. It's not an attempt to push out the little guy, or put you in Adobe's black box. It would be a valid warning to let you (the user) know that you will probably have incompatibility issues that will compromise your productivity. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Co-Author of Learning Ext JS http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com On 7/16/2009 9:46 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: By prepared, I meant that the statement was ready to be delivered upon even finding the installation of CFEclipse. Meaning that Adobe must have set up the installation process to look for a CFE installation and warn that the two could not be used together. i.echoose sides...we won't or can't play together on the same playground. How is my assessment inaccurate? -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:38 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Prepared statement? News to me. Can you point me to it? -Adam Lehman ColdFusion Project Manager Adobe Systems Inc On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Yeah, well, it certainly made me a little suspicious when there was a seemingly prepared statement ready to pounce on CFEclipse when its installation was detected. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:11 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is purposefully creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the competition... Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324607 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Dave Wattsdwa...@figleaf.com wrote: It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is purposefully creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the competition... Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe. I don't think it's malice, but for the record, Eclipse is perfectly capable of having two plugins that do the same stuff. For a while I had like 3 JS editors, a couple XML editors, blah blah blah. :Den -- No ghost was every seen by two pair of eyes. Thomas Carlyle ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324608 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Yeah, I tried adding the ganymede update site and it errored on that too. I'll probably start over and also try CF Builder as a plugin. Greg Luce Luce Consulting Services, Inc. www.luceconsulting.net (863) 273-0289 On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@visi.com wrote: Have you read the ColdFusion Builder docs about adding third-party plugins? I posted about setting up SVN on my blog and as a part of that I always choose the Subclipse Integration for Mylin. Is this all your looking for? The docs from Adobe state you must add the Ganymede Update site in order for third-party plugins to install properly since this update site allows you to grab the needed dependancies. See my blog post ( http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/7/14/Getting-Started-with-ColdFusion-Builder ) for Getting Started with ColdFusion Builder or read the Adobe Documentation if you have not added the Ganymede Update. Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Greg Luce wrote: Adam or anyone else have any luck installing Mylyn to the standalone? That's a deal-breaker for me. Greg Luce Luce Consulting Services, Inc. www.luceconsulting.net (863) 273-0289 ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324609 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
That is weird since I just installed some additional Mylin components. Mylin Task List, Mylin Bridge: Eclipse IDE, and Mylin Bridge Team Support with no issues on Win XP Pro. I also installed Mylin and Mylin Extras on my Mac Book Pro with no issues. Both computers are using the public beta installed as standalone. Interesting side note is that the UI and steps taken for adding plugins are different between the Mac and Win XP. Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Jul 16, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Greg Luce wrote: Yeah, I tried adding the ganymede update site and it errored on that too. I'll probably start over and also try CF Builder as a plugin. Greg Luce Luce Consulting Services, Inc. www.luceconsulting.net (863) 273-0289 On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@visi.com wrote: Have you read the ColdFusion Builder docs about adding third-party plugins? I posted about setting up SVN on my blog and as a part of that I always choose the Subclipse Integration for Mylin. Is this all your looking for? The docs from Adobe state you must add the Ganymede Update site in order for third-party plugins to install properly since this update site allows you to grab the needed dependancies. See my blog post ( http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/7/14/Getting-Started-with-ColdFusion-Builder ) for Getting Started with ColdFusion Builder or read the Adobe Documentation if you have not added the Ganymede Update. Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Greg Luce wrote: Adam or anyone else have any luck installing Mylyn to the standalone? That's a deal-breaker for me. Greg Luce Luce Consulting Services, Inc. www.luceconsulting.net (863) 273-0289 ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324612 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Just getting around to reading your blog and didn't get past the second paragraph before...oh, no...Aptana. I don't like that piece of code. Let's hope it behaves better in CFB than in Eclipse as a plug-in... -Original Message- From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@visi.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:53 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK yes, read my blog - MOST people are not reading the CF Builder documentation and thus missing one very important step when adding third-party plugins to the stand alone version. http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/7/14/Getting-Started-with-ColdFusion- Builder Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Jul 15, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself. So is anyone successfully using CFEclipse and CFBuilder in the same Eclipse install? It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together. What is that the case? -Original Message- From: Cutter (ColdFusion) [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:56 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Personal experience has been that installing as a plugin, rather than as a standalone, has allowed me greater flexibility when I wanted to flesh out my environment by including subclipse, etc. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Co-Author of Learning Ext JS http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com On 7/15/2009 10:42 AM, Casey Dougall wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the Eclipse plugin? Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user. Going to give this a shot though... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324621 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Ok, Wil...next point. Under Getting Installed you advise installing CFB as a plug-in if one already has an Eclipse installation. But, what will happen with my CFE plug-in? They won't work in the same installation. That's what Adobe's warning said when I tried two days ago to install it in my existing Eclipse setup with CFE... -Original Message- From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@visi.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:53 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK yes, read my blog - MOST people are not reading the CF Builder documentation and thus missing one very important step when adding third-party plugins to the stand alone version. http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/7/14/Getting-Started-with-ColdFusion- Builder Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Jul 15, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself. So is anyone successfully using CFEclipse and CFBuilder in the same Eclipse install? It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together. What is that the case? -Original Message- From: Cutter (ColdFusion) [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:56 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Personal experience has been that installing as a plugin, rather than as a standalone, has allowed me greater flexibility when I wanted to flesh out my environment by including subclipse, etc. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Co-Author of Learning Ext JS http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com On 7/15/2009 10:42 AM, Casey Dougall wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the Eclipse plugin? Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user. Going to give this a shot though... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324622 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I'll clarify that part. Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:37 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Ok, Wil...next point. Under Getting Installed you advise installing CFB as a plug-in if one already has an Eclipse installation. But, what will happen with my CFE plug-in? They won't work in the same installation. That's what Adobe's warning said when I tried two days ago to install it in my existing Eclipse setup with CFE... -Original Message- From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@visi.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:53 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK yes, read my blog - MOST people are not reading the CF Builder documentation and thus missing one very important step when adding third-party plugins to the stand alone version. http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/7/14/Getting-Started-with-ColdFusion- Builder Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Jul 15, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself. So is anyone successfully using CFEclipse and CFBuilder in the same Eclipse install? It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together. What is that the case? -Original Message- From: Cutter (ColdFusion) [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:56 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Personal experience has been that installing as a plugin, rather than as a standalone, has allowed me greater flexibility when I wanted to flesh out my environment by including subclipse, etc. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Co-Author of Learning Ext JS http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com On 7/15/2009 10:42 AM, Casey Dougall wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the Eclipse plugin? Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user. Going to give this a shot though... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324623 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Under Getting Installed you advise installing CFB as a plug-in if one already has an Eclipse installation. But, what will happen with my CFE plug-in? They won't work in the same installation. That's what Adobe's warning said when I tried two days ago to install it in my existing Eclipse setup with CFE... You have the following choices. 1. Try installing it and find out. 2. Uninstall CFE from Eclipse. 3. Run CFE and CFB in separate Eclipse installs. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more informati ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324624 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
1. Try installing it and find out. Not a chance...don't want to risk corrupting all my current CFE projects 2. Uninstall CFE from Eclipse. Can't uninstall CFE with all the current projects in there 3. Run CFE and CFB in separate Eclipse installs. A good possibility. How about: 4. Install CFB as stand-alone. Is installation of CFB as an Eclipse plug-in preferable to stand-alone for some reason? -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:50 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Under Getting Installed you advise installing CFB as a plug-in if one already has an Eclipse installation. But, what will happen with my CFE plug-in? They won't work in the same installation. That's what Adobe's warning said when I tried two days ago to install it in my existing Eclipse setup with CFE... You have the following choices. 1. Try installing it and find out. 2. Uninstall CFE from Eclipse. 3. Run CFE and CFB in separate Eclipse installs. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more informati ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324625 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
3. Run CFE and CFB in separate Eclipse installs. A good possibility. How about: 4. Install CFB as stand-alone. That would give you a separate Eclipse install. Is installation of CFB as an Eclipse plug-in preferable to stand-alone for some reason? No. But if you already have Eclipse installed and are using it for other things, you might prefer to have all your tools in the same IDE. Or you might not, since you can't run CFB in 3.5. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324626 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
I'm running two installs. One CF Builder and one CFEclipse. Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: 1. Try installing it and find out. Not a chance...don't want to risk corrupting all my current CFE projects 2. Uninstall CFE from Eclipse. Can't uninstall CFE with all the current projects in there 3. Run CFE and CFB in separate Eclipse installs. A good possibility. How about: 4. Install CFB as stand-alone. Is installation of CFB as an Eclipse plug-in preferable to stand-alone for some reason? -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:50 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Under Getting Installed you advise installing CFB as a plug-in if one already has an Eclipse installation. But, what will happen with my CFE plug-in? They won't work in the same installation. That's what Adobe's warning said when I tried two days ago to install it in my existing Eclipse setup with CFE... You have the following choices. 1. Try installing it and find out. 2. Uninstall CFE from Eclipse. 3. Run CFE and CFB in separate Eclipse installs. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more informati ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324627 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Two Eclipse installs with CFB as a plug-in? -Original Message- From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@visi.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:20 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK I'm running two installs. One CF Builder and one CFEclipse. Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: 1. Try installing it and find out. Not a chance...don't want to risk corrupting all my current CFE projects 2. Uninstall CFE from Eclipse. Can't uninstall CFE with all the current projects in there 3. Run CFE and CFB in separate Eclipse installs. A good possibility. How about: 4. Install CFB as stand-alone. Is installation of CFB as an Eclipse plug-in preferable to stand-alone for some reason? -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:50 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Under Getting Installed you advise installing CFB as a plug-in if one already has an Eclipse installation. But, what will happen with my CFE plug-in? They won't work in the same installation. That's what Adobe's warning said when I tried two days ago to install it in my existing Eclipse setup with CFE... You have the following choices. 1. Try installing it and find out. 2. Uninstall CFE from Eclipse. 3. Run CFE and CFB in separate Eclipse installs. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more informati ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324628 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
I like all the tools in the same IDE. And I'm not running 3.5. That would give you a separate Eclipse install. So, choosing the install type of Standard ColdFusion Builder Installation ends up with Eclipse installed? Either approach I take I end up with the same thing? Eclipse first, then CFB...or CFB first and end up Eclipse anyway. A little odd... Think I'll just abort my current installation of CFB and install Eclipse 3.4, and then CFB as a plug-in if that's the case... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:20 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK 3. Run CFE and CFB in separate Eclipse installs. A good possibility. How about: 4. Install CFB as stand-alone. That would give you a separate Eclipse install. Is installation of CFB as an Eclipse plug-in preferable to stand-alone for some reason? No. But if you already have Eclipse installed and are using it for other things, you might prefer to have all your tools in the same IDE. Or you might not, since you can't run CFB in 3.5. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324629 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
So, choosing the install type of Standard ColdFusion Builder Installation ends up with Eclipse installed? Either approach I take I end up with the same thing? Eclipse first, then CFB...or CFB first and end up Eclipse anyway. Yes. You can either install CFB into your existing Eclipse toolchain, or you can let CFB install Eclipse for you. A little odd... It's not odd at all. If you've never used Eclipse, Adobe wants you to be able to easily install CFB. Just like Flex Builder, which also offers the same choice. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more informatio ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324630 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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The real question is, will it make it to print! On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM, george.e...@ssa.gov george.e...@ssa.gov george.e...@ssa.gov wrote: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Adobe-Delivers-Beta-of-ColdFusion-9-and-ColdFusion-Builder-IDE-361260/?kc=EWKNLNAV07152009STR5 George ~ The real question is, will it make it to print! E-Week, Network World, Information Week etc... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324516 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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Wow Darryl really mailed it on that one. Let's just take a bunch of quotes and string them together. Good job witting the article for him Adam. Adam On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM, george.e...@ssa.gov george.e...@ssa.gov george.e...@ssa.gov wrote: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Adobe-Delivers-Beta-of-ColdFusion-9-and-ColdFusion-Builder-IDE-361260/?kc=EWKNLNAV07152009STR5 George ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324517 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
thanks for the link, George... Speaking of Bolt...when I tried to install it into my existing Eclipse setup, I get a message that I couldn't install it (or that it may not work properly) with CFEclipse installed. Do I need to setup another installation of Eclipse in order to test Bolt? or rather, ColdFusion Builder? Rick -Original Message- From: george.e...@ssa.gov george.e...@ssa.gov [mailto:george.e...@ssa.gov] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:16 AM To: cf-talk Subject: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Adobe-Delivers-Beta-of-Cold Fusion-9-and-ColdFusion-Builder-IDE-361260/?kc=EWKNLNAV07152009STR5 George ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324518 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: thanks for the link, George... Speaking of Bolt...when I tried to install it into my existing Eclipse setup, I get a message that I couldn't install it (or that it may not work properly) with CFEclipse installed. Do I need to setup another installation of Eclipse in order to test Bolt? or rather, ColdFusion Builder? Rick Standalone on windows 7 64bit worked ok... didn't try the eclipse plugin version... Also, I didn't notice anything about a cutoff window or anything where they would require purchasing Coldfusion Builder. Is this going to be free? C. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324519 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the Eclipse plugin? -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall [mailto:ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:34 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: thanks for the link, George... Speaking of Bolt...when I tried to install it into my existing Eclipse setup, I get a message that I couldn't install it (or that it may not work properly) with CFEclipse installed. Do I need to setup another installation of Eclipse in order to test Bolt? or rather, ColdFusion Builder? Rick Standalone on windows 7 64bit worked ok... didn't try the eclipse plugin version... Also, I didn't notice anything about a cutoff window or anything where they would require purchasing Coldfusion Builder. Is this going to be free? C. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324520 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the Eclipse plugin? Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user. Going to give this a shot though... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324521 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Personal experience has been that installing as a plugin, rather than as a standalone, has allowed me greater flexibility when I wanted to flesh out my environment by including subclipse, etc. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Co-Author of Learning Ext JS http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com On 7/15/2009 10:42 AM, Casey Dougall wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the Eclipse plugin? Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user. Going to give this a shot though... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324523 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself. So is anyone successfully using CFEclipse and CFBuilder in the same Eclipse install? It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together. What is that the case? -Original Message- From: Cutter (ColdFusion) [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:56 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Personal experience has been that installing as a plugin, rather than as a standalone, has allowed me greater flexibility when I wanted to flesh out my environment by including subclipse, etc. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Co-Author of Learning Ext JS http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com On 7/15/2009 10:42 AM, Casey Dougall wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the Eclipse plugin? Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user. Going to give this a shot though... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324524 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together. What is that the case? Probably because they do the same thing, with the same sort of files, etc. You can install as many copies of Eclipse as you need, if you want to use CFEclipse for some things and ColdFusion Builder for others. This shouldn't really be too surprising, as ColdFusion Builder is intended to be used instead of CFEclipse. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324525 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together. Just a guess but it looks like the snippet browser is the same... I pointed it to my existing snippets and they all worked... even the wizards. hence there are probably some conflicts. G! On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself. So is anyone successfully using CFEclipse and CFBuilder in the same Eclipse install? It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together. What is that the case? -Original Message- From: Cutter (ColdFusion) [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:56 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Personal experience has been that installing as a plugin, rather than as a standalone, has allowed me greater flexibility when I wanted to flesh out my environment by including subclipse, etc. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Co-Author of Learning Ext JS http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com On 7/15/2009 10:42 AM, Casey Dougall wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the Eclipse plugin? Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user. Going to give this a shot though... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324526 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
You can install plugins into the standalone builder. The standalone builder is, essentially, just its own Eclipse installation, which means you can install other plugins (such as subclipse) into it. One somewhat annoying thing is that both cfeclipse and CF Builder use a .project file, so you can't have a project in both applications (as far as I can tell, I know CF Builder wouldn't let me create a project if there was already a cfeclipse .project file in the folder). [I suspect the .project file is an eclipse standard, so every plugin would use the same file name] Other things I've heard from a reliable source but haven't confirmed: 1) If you plan on using Flex Builder and CF Builder, install Flex Builder as a standalone and then install the CF Builder plugin into it 2) cfeclipse and CF Builder don't work well together in the same installation. Scott On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Rick Fairclothr...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324529 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
I wasn't able to install Mylyn into the standalone. Keeps erroring saying 'Install' has encountered a problem. An error occurred during provisioning. This is the 32bit standalone on Vista, HP Quadcore, 4G RAM. Anyone have luck installing Mylyn? That and Subclipse are always my first installs to eclipse other than cfeclipse. Greg On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Scott Brady dsbr...@gmail.com wrote: You can install plugins into the standalone builder. The standalone builder is, essentially, just its own Eclipse installation, which means you can install other plugins (such as subclipse) into it. One somewhat annoying thing is that both cfeclipse and CF Builder use a .project file, so you can't have a project in both applications (as far as I can tell, I know CF Builder wouldn't let me create a project if there was already a cfeclipse .project file in the folder). [I suspect the .project file is an eclipse standard, so every plugin would use the same file name] Other things I've heard from a reliable source but haven't confirmed: 1) If you plan on using Flex Builder and CF Builder, install Flex Builder as a standalone and then install the CF Builder plugin into it 2) cfeclipse and CF Builder don't work well together in the same installation. Scott On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Rick Fairclothr...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324535 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
I don't use Mylyn, but any problem with Subclipse? -Original Message- From: Greg Luce [mailto:luce...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:17 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK I wasn't able to install Mylyn into the standalone. Keeps erroring saying 'Install' has encountered a problem. An error occurred during provisioning. This is the 32bit standalone on Vista, HP Quadcore, 4G RAM. Anyone have luck installing Mylyn? That and Subclipse are always my first installs to eclipse other than cfeclipse. Greg On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Scott Brady dsbr...@gmail.com wrote: You can install plugins into the standalone builder. The standalone builder is, essentially, just its own Eclipse installation, which means you can install other plugins (such as subclipse) into it. One somewhat annoying thing is that both cfeclipse and CF Builder use a .project file, so you can't have a project in both applications (as far as I can tell, I know CF Builder wouldn't let me create a project if there was already a cfeclipse .project file in the folder). [I suspect the .project file is an eclipse standard, so every plugin would use the same file name] Other things I've heard from a reliable source but haven't confirmed: 1) If you plan on using Flex Builder and CF Builder, install Flex Builder as a standalone and then install the CF Builder plugin into it 2) cfeclipse and CF Builder don't work well together in the same installation. Scott On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Rick Fairclothr...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324536 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
From what I have read about Flex Builder is that it is a very bare bones version of Eclipse, so I would imagine that the same is true for CF builder. That may give rise to dependency issues with such a minimal install. I suspect that may be an issue. Or maybe not. I would build your Eclipse distro the way you want it and then install CF Builder as a plugin. G! On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Greg Luce luce...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't able to install Mylyn into the standalone. Keeps erroring saying 'Install' has encountered a problem. An error occurred during provisioning. This is the 32bit standalone on Vista, HP Quadcore, 4G RAM. Anyone have luck installing Mylyn? That and Subclipse are always my first installs to eclipse other than cfeclipse. Greg -- Gerald Guido http://www.myinternetisbroken.com http://www.cfsimple.org/ To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. -- Thomas A. Edison ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324538 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Subclipse seems fine. Greg On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: I don't use Mylyn, but any problem with Subclipse? -Original Message- From: Greg Luce [mailto:luce...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:17 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK I wasn't able to install Mylyn into the standalone. Keeps erroring saying 'Install' has encountered a problem. An error occurred during provisioning. This is the 32bit standalone on Vista, HP Quadcore, 4G RAM. Anyone have luck installing Mylyn? That and Subclipse are always my first installs to eclipse other than cfeclipse. Greg On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Scott Brady dsbr...@gmail.com wrote: You can install plugins into the standalone builder. The standalone builder is, essentially, just its own Eclipse installation, which means you can install other plugins (such as subclipse) into it. One somewhat annoying thing is that both cfeclipse and CF Builder use a .project file, so you can't have a project in both applications (as far as I can tell, I know CF Builder wouldn't let me create a project if there was already a cfeclipse .project file in the folder). [I suspect the .project file is an eclipse standard, so every plugin would use the same file name] Other things I've heard from a reliable source but haven't confirmed: 1) If you plan on using Flex Builder and CF Builder, install Flex Builder as a standalone and then install the CF Builder plugin into it 2) cfeclipse and CF Builder don't work well together in the same installation. Scott On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Rick Fairclothr...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324541 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
But you should REALLY try Mylyn. Even if you don't connect to external bug trackers you can keep local tasks and mylyn keeps context for them so that when you multi-task you activate the task and the 18 files you need open open up! I would be a mess without it. Greg On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Greg Luce luce...@gmail.com wrote: Subclipse seems fine. Greg On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I don't use Mylyn, but any problem with Subclipse? -Original Message- From: Greg Luce [mailto:luce...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:17 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK I wasn't able to install Mylyn into the standalone. Keeps erroring saying 'Install' has encountered a problem. An error occurred during provisioning. This is the 32bit standalone on Vista, HP Quadcore, 4G RAM. Anyone have luck installing Mylyn? That and Subclipse are always my first installs to eclipse other than cfeclipse. Greg On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Scott Brady dsbr...@gmail.com wrote: You can install plugins into the standalone builder. The standalone builder is, essentially, just its own Eclipse installation, which means you can install other plugins (such as subclipse) into it. One somewhat annoying thing is that both cfeclipse and CF Builder use a .project file, so you can't have a project in both applications (as far as I can tell, I know CF Builder wouldn't let me create a project if there was already a cfeclipse .project file in the folder). [I suspect the .project file is an eclipse standard, so every plugin would use the same file name] Other things I've heard from a reliable source but haven't confirmed: 1) If you plan on using Flex Builder and CF Builder, install Flex Builder as a standalone and then install the CF Builder plugin into it 2) cfeclipse and CF Builder don't work well together in the same installation. Scott On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Rick Fairclothr...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324542 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
yes, read my blog - MOST people are not reading the CF Builder documentation and thus missing one very important step when adding third-party plugins to the stand alone version. http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/7/14/Getting-Started-with-ColdFusion-Builder Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Jul 15, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself. So is anyone successfully using CFEclipse and CFBuilder in the same Eclipse install? It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together. What is that the case? -Original Message- From: Cutter (ColdFusion) [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:56 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Personal experience has been that installing as a plugin, rather than as a standalone, has allowed me greater flexibility when I wanted to flesh out my environment by including subclipse, etc. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Co-Author of Learning Ext JS http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com On 7/15/2009 10:42 AM, Casey Dougall wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the Eclipse plugin? Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user. Going to give this a shot though... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324543 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
you multi-task you activate the task and the 18 files you need open open up That does sound good... -Original Message- From: Greg Luce [mailto:luce...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:46 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK But you should REALLY try Mylyn. Even if you don't connect to external bug trackers you can keep local tasks and mylyn keeps context for them so that when you multi-task you activate the task and the 18 files you need open open up! I would be a mess without it. Greg On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Greg Luce luce...@gmail.com wrote: Subclipse seems fine. Greg On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I don't use Mylyn, but any problem with Subclipse? -Original Message- From: Greg Luce [mailto:luce...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:17 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK I wasn't able to install Mylyn into the standalone. Keeps erroring saying 'Install' has encountered a problem. An error occurred during provisioning. This is the 32bit standalone on Vista, HP Quadcore, 4G RAM. Anyone have luck installing Mylyn? That and Subclipse are always my first installs to eclipse other than cfeclipse. Greg On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Scott Brady dsbr...@gmail.com wrote: You can install plugins into the standalone builder. The standalone builder is, essentially, just its own Eclipse installation, which means you can install other plugins (such as subclipse) into it. One somewhat annoying thing is that both cfeclipse and CF Builder use a .project file, so you can't have a project in both applications (as far as I can tell, I know CF Builder wouldn't let me create a project if there was already a cfeclipse .project file in the folder). [I suspect the .project file is an eclipse standard, so every plugin would use the same file name] Other things I've heard from a reliable source but haven't confirmed: 1) If you plan on using Flex Builder and CF Builder, install Flex Builder as a standalone and then install the CF Builder plugin into it 2) cfeclipse and CF Builder don't work well together in the same installation. Scott On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Rick Fairclothr...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324547 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Wow, I tried adding that gaymede update site and just get the box that says there are incompatibilities. If you look at the list there are a hundred or so items all checked. No indication of what is incompatible. Greg On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@visi.com wrote: yes, read my blog - MOST people are not reading the CF Builder documentation and thus missing one very important step when adding third-party plugins to the stand alone version. http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/7/14/Getting-Started-with-ColdFusion-Builder Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Jul 15, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself. So is anyone successfully using CFEclipse and CFBuilder in the same Eclipse install? It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together. What is that the case? -Original Message- From: Cutter (ColdFusion) [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:56 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Personal experience has been that installing as a plugin, rather than as a standalone, has allowed me greater flexibility when I wanted to flesh out my environment by including subclipse, etc. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Co-Author of Learning Ext JS http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com On 7/15/2009 10:42 AM, Casey Dougall wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the Eclipse plugin? Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user. Going to give this a shot though... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324548 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
I think if your new to Eclipse your going to have to visit the Eclipse site and watch some videos. There is an option to auto select dependencies. I use that all the time since there is no way to know from the long list of option what is needed. Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Jul 15, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Greg Luce wrote: Wow, I tried adding that gaymede update site and just get the box that says there are incompatibilities. If you look at the list there are a hundred or so items all checked. No indication of what is incompatible. Greg On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@visi.com wrote: yes, read my blog - MOST people are not reading the CF Builder documentation and thus missing one very important step when adding third-party plugins to the stand alone version. http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/7/14/Getting-Started-with-ColdFusion-Builder Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Jul 15, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself. So is anyone successfully using CFEclipse and CFBuilder in the same Eclipse install? It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together. What is that the case? -Original Message- From: Cutter (ColdFusion) [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:56 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK Personal experience has been that installing as a plugin, rather than as a standalone, has allowed me greater flexibility when I wanted to flesh out my environment by including subclipse, etc. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Co-Author of Learning Ext JS http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com On 7/15/2009 10:42 AM, Casey Dougall wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the Eclipse plugin? Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user. Going to give this a shot though... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324549 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
This shouldn't really be too surprising, as ColdFusion Builder is intended to be used instead of CFEclipse. That statement carries a lot of implications. Where did you hear this and, how and where can I confirm this statement? Kind Regards, Emmit On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together. What is that the case? Probably because they do the same thing, with the same sort of files, etc. You can install as many copies of Eclipse as you need, if you want to use CFEclipse for some things and ColdFusion Builder for others. This shouldn't really be too surprising, as ColdFusion Builder is intended to be used instead of CFEclipse. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324562 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
This shouldn't really be too surprising, as ColdFusion Builder is intended to be used instead of CFEclipse. That statement carries a lot of implications. Where did you hear this and, how and where can I confirm this statement? I didn't hear it from anywhere. It's a simple observation. You can confirm (or refute) it yourself, by downloading the public beta of ColdFusion Builder yourself. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324564 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is purposefully creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the competition... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 8:35 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK This shouldn't really be too surprising, as ColdFusion Builder is intended to be used instead of CFEclipse. That statement carries a lot of implications. Where did you hear this and, how and where can I confirm this statement? I didn't hear it from anywhere. It's a simple observation. You can confirm (or refute) it yourself, by downloading the public beta of ColdFusion Builder yourself. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324565 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is purposefully creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the competition... Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324566 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe. Yeah well, there color pallet sucks in standalone! All over the place. Bright Blue for tags Dam. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324568 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
Yeah, well, it certainly made me a little suspicious when there was a seemingly prepared statement ready to pounce on CFEclipse when its installation was detected. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:11 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is purposefully creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the competition... Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:324572 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
