Firebug 1.0 Beta is Out
Guys, I posted this on my blog but since I haven't reached reader levels on par with Ben Forta, Vince Bonfanti, Rob Ghonda or Sean Corfield, I figured I'd let you guys know. If you've been doing any form of Ajax development, you know how invaluable an HTTP sniffer DOM inspector is. And quite honestly, I've found none better than the FireBug extension in FireFox to handle these tasks. Its a nice little plugin that sits unobtrusively until you need it. Well, Joe Hewitt, the author of FireBug, has released an open beta of the anxiously awaited FireBug 1.0. This is a MAJOR revamp of the original version and a must download if you're doing any type of Ajax, CSS or DOM manipulation. Trust me when I tell you that this plugin is invaluable and you will end up using it all of the time. http://www.getfirebug.com/ ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:262707 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Firebug 1.0 Beta is Out
Thanks for the heads up. I love FireBug. .. Ben Nadel Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX7 Developer www.bennadel.com Need ColdFusion Help? www.bennadel.com/ask-ben/ -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Firebug 1.0 Beta is Out Guys, I posted this on my blog but since I haven't reached reader levels on par with Ben Forta, Vince Bonfanti, Rob Ghonda or Sean Corfield, I figured I'd let you guys know. If you've been doing any form of Ajax development, you know how invaluable an HTTP sniffer DOM inspector is. And quite honestly, I've found none better than the FireBug extension in FireFox to handle these tasks. Its a nice little plugin that sits unobtrusively until you need it. Well, Joe Hewitt, the author of FireBug, has released an open beta of the anxiously awaited FireBug 1.0. This is a MAJOR revamp of the original version and a must download if you're doing any type of Ajax, CSS or DOM manipulation. Trust me when I tell you that this plugin is invaluable and you will end up using it all of the time. http://www.getfirebug.com/ ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:262709 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Firebug 1.0 Beta is Out
Yes sir! Its one of the best developer plugins out for FireFox. Rey Ben Nadel wrote: Thanks for the heads up. I love FireBug. .. Ben Nadel Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX7 Developer www.bennadel.com Need ColdFusion Help? www.bennadel.com/ask-ben/ -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Firebug 1.0 Beta is Out Guys, I posted this on my blog but since I haven't reached reader levels on par with Ben Forta, Vince Bonfanti, Rob Ghonda or Sean Corfield, I figured I'd let you guys know. If you've been doing any form of Ajax development, you know how invaluable an HTTP sniffer DOM inspector is. And quite honestly, I've found none better than the FireBug extension in FireFox to handle these tasks. Its a nice little plugin that sits unobtrusively until you need it. Well, Joe Hewitt, the author of FireBug, has released an open beta of the anxiously awaited FireBug 1.0. This is a MAJOR revamp of the original version and a must download if you're doing any type of Ajax, CSS or DOM manipulation. Trust me when I tell you that this plugin is invaluable and you will end up using it all of the time. http://www.getfirebug.com/ ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:262712 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Firebug 1.0 Beta is Out
Let me just ditto it. I cannot recommend this tool enough. On 12/4/06, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes sir! Its one of the best developer plugins out for FireFox. Rey -- === Raymond Camden Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : ray.camdenfamily.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Video game player? Have kids? Check out KidGamers.org ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:262717 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Firebug 1.0 Beta is Out
Thanks for the tip, Rey. Just installed it on all my browsers and loving the improvements. Steve Brownlee http://www.fusioncube.net/ -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Firebug 1.0 Beta is Out Guys, I posted this on my blog but since I haven't reached reader levels on par with Ben Forta, Vince Bonfanti, Rob Ghonda or Sean Corfield, I figured I'd let you guys know. If you've been doing any form of Ajax development, you know how invaluable an HTTP sniffer DOM inspector is. And quite honestly, I've found none better than the FireBug extension in FireFox to handle these tasks. Its a nice little plugin that sits unobtrusively until you need it. Well, Joe Hewitt, the author of FireBug, has released an open beta of the anxiously awaited FireBug 1.0. This is a MAJOR revamp of the original version and a must download if you're doing any type of Ajax, CSS or DOM manipulation. Trust me when I tell you that this plugin is invaluable and you will end up using it all of the time. http://www.getfirebug.com/ ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:262720 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Firebug 1.0 Beta is Out
Rey, make this work in IE 7 and you'll be a hero! :-) Looks like a great app though. On 12/4/06, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I posted this on my blog but since I haven't reached reader levels on par with Ben Forta, Vince Bonfanti, Rob Ghonda or Sean Corfield, I figured I'd let you guys know. If you've been doing any form of Ajax development, you know how invaluable an HTTP sniffer DOM inspector is. And quite honestly, I've found none better than the FireBug extension in FireFox to handle these tasks. Its a nice little plugin that sits unobtrusively until you need it. Well, Joe Hewitt, the author of FireBug, has released an open beta of the anxiously awaited FireBug 1.0. This is a MAJOR revamp of the original version and a must download if you're doing any type of Ajax, CSS or DOM manipulation. Trust me when I tell you that this plugin is invaluable and you will end up using it all of the time. http://www.getfirebug.com/ ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:262721 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Firebug 1.0 Beta is Out
I can say that if I didn't have this, I'd recommend ServiceCapture. I'd recommend it anyway actually. It is really good with Flash Remoting calls. Anyway, I'd use that when testing with IIE. On 12/4/06, John C. Bland II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rey, make this work in IE 7 and you'll be a hero! :-) Looks like a great app though. On 12/4/06, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I posted this on my blog but since I haven't reached reader levels on par with Ben Forta, Vince Bonfanti, Rob Ghonda or Sean Corfield, I figured I'd let you guys know. If you've been doing any form of Ajax development, you know how invaluable an HTTP sniffer DOM inspector is. And quite honestly, I've found none better than the FireBug extension in FireFox to handle these tasks. Its a nice little plugin that sits unobtrusively until you need it. Well, Joe Hewitt, the author of FireBug, has released an open beta of the anxiously awaited FireBug 1.0. This is a MAJOR revamp of the original version and a must download if you're doing any type of Ajax, CSS or DOM manipulation. Trust me when I tell you that this plugin is invaluable and you will end up using it all of the time. http://www.getfirebug.com/ ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:262723 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Firebug 1.0 Beta is Out
Man I wish I could John. For IE 7, checkout this from Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=e59c3964-672d-4511-bb3e-2d5e1db91038displaylang=en and then use this for HTTP debugging: http://www.fiddlertool.com/fiddler/ What I do is develop using Firefox (which gives me FireBug) and then test and tweak in both FF and IE 6/7. HTH. Rey... John C. Bland II wrote: Rey, make this work in IE 7 and you'll be a hero! :-) Looks like a great app though. On 12/4/06, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I posted this on my blog but since I haven't reached reader levels on par with Ben Forta, Vince Bonfanti, Rob Ghonda or Sean Corfield, I figured I'd let you guys know. If you've been doing any form of Ajax development, you know how invaluable an HTTP sniffer DOM inspector is. And quite honestly, I've found none better than the FireBug extension in FireFox to handle these tasks. Its a nice little plugin that sits unobtrusively until you need it. Well, Joe Hewitt, the author of FireBug, has released an open beta of the anxiously awaited FireBug 1.0. This is a MAJOR revamp of the original version and a must download if you're doing any type of Ajax, CSS or DOM manipulation. Trust me when I tell you that this plugin is invaluable and you will end up using it all of the time. http://www.getfirebug.com/ ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:262728 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Firebug 1.0 Beta is Out
Definitely. I use it as well. Great tool! Raymond Camden wrote: I can say that if I didn't have this, I'd recommend ServiceCapture. I'd recommend it anyway actually. It is really good with Flash Remoting calls. Anyway, I'd use that when testing with IIE. On 12/4/06, John C. Bland II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rey, make this work in IE 7 and you'll be a hero! :-) Looks like a great app though. On 12/4/06, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I posted this on my blog but since I haven't reached reader levels on par with Ben Forta, Vince Bonfanti, Rob Ghonda or Sean Corfield, I figured I'd let you guys know. If you've been doing any form of Ajax development, you know how invaluable an HTTP sniffer DOM inspector is. And quite honestly, I've found none better than the FireBug extension in FireFox to handle these tasks. Its a nice little plugin that sits unobtrusively until you need it. Well, Joe Hewitt, the author of FireBug, has released an open beta of the anxiously awaited FireBug 1.0. This is a MAJOR revamp of the original version and a must download if you're doing any type of Ajax, CSS or DOM manipulation. Trust me when I tell you that this plugin is invaluable and you will end up using it all of the time. http://www.getfirebug.com/ ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:262730 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Firebug 1.0 Beta is Out
Rey this absolutely rocks... thank you for the link Regards Rich On 12/4/06, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man I wish I could John. For IE 7, checkout this from Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=e59c3964-672d-4511-bb3e-2d5e1db91038displaylang=en and then use this for HTTP debugging: http://www.fiddlertool.com/fiddler/ What I do is develop using Firefox (which gives me FireBug) and then test and tweak in both FF and IE 6/7. HTH. Rey... John C. Bland II wrote: Rey, make this work in IE 7 and you'll be a hero! :-) Looks like a great app though. On 12/4/06, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I posted this on my blog but since I haven't reached reader levels on par with Ben Forta, Vince Bonfanti, Rob Ghonda or Sean Corfield, I figured I'd let you guys know. If you've been doing any form of Ajax development, you know how invaluable an HTTP sniffer DOM inspector is. And quite honestly, I've found none better than the FireBug extension in FireFox to handle these tasks. Its a nice little plugin that sits unobtrusively until you need it. Well, Joe Hewitt, the author of FireBug, has released an open beta of the anxiously awaited FireBug 1.0. This is a MAJOR revamp of the original version and a must download if you're doing any type of Ajax, CSS or DOM manipulation. Trust me when I tell you that this plugin is invaluable and you will end up using it all of the time. http://www.getfirebug.com/ ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:262733 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Firebug 1.0 Beta is Out
My pleasure man. All of these tools are awesome at making the DOM easier to work with. Rey RichL wrote: Rey this absolutely rocks... thank you for the link Regards Rich On 12/4/06, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man I wish I could John. For IE 7, checkout this from Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=e59c3964-672d-4511-bb3e-2d5e1db91038displaylang=en and then use this for HTTP debugging: http://www.fiddlertool.com/fiddler/ What I do is develop using Firefox (which gives me FireBug) and then test and tweak in both FF and IE 6/7. HTH. Rey... John C. Bland II wrote: Rey, make this work in IE 7 and you'll be a hero! :-) Looks like a great app though. On 12/4/06, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I posted this on my blog but since I haven't reached reader levels on par with Ben Forta, Vince Bonfanti, Rob Ghonda or Sean Corfield, I figured I'd let you guys know. If you've been doing any form of Ajax development, you know how invaluable an HTTP sniffer DOM inspector is. And quite honestly, I've found none better than the FireBug extension in FireFox to handle these tasks. Its a nice little plugin that sits unobtrusively until you need it. Well, Joe Hewitt, the author of FireBug, has released an open beta of the anxiously awaited FireBug 1.0. This is a MAJOR revamp of the original version and a must download if you're doing any type of Ajax, CSS or DOM manipulation. Trust me when I tell you that this plugin is invaluable and you will end up using it all of the time. http://www.getfirebug.com/ ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:262734 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Firebug 1.0 Beta is Out
Sweet! He's allowed firebug to be set up to ignore certain web sites! On 12/4/06, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I posted this on my blog but since I haven't reached reader levels on par with Ben Forta, Vince Bonfanti, Rob Ghonda or Sean Corfield, I figured I'd let you guys know. If you've been doing any form of Ajax development, you know how invaluable an HTTP sniffer DOM inspector is. And quite honestly, I've found none better than the FireBug extension in FireFox to handle these tasks. Its a nice little plugin that sits unobtrusively until you need it. Well, Joe Hewitt, the author of FireBug, has released an open beta of the anxiously awaited FireBug 1.0. This is a MAJOR revamp of the original version and a must download if you're doing any type of Ajax, CSS or DOM manipulation. Trust me when I tell you that this plugin is invaluable and you will end up using it all of the time. http://www.getfirebug.com/ ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:262765 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Firebug 1.0 Beta is Out
Hey John this is right up your alley!!! http://www.getfirebug.com/lite.html Its a version of FireBug for IE! I just found about it now. Rey John C. Bland II wrote: Rey, make this work in IE 7 and you'll be a hero! :-) Looks like a great app though. On 12/4/06, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I posted this on my blog but since I haven't reached reader levels on par with Ben Forta, Vince Bonfanti, Rob Ghonda or Sean Corfield, I figured I'd let you guys know. If you've been doing any form of Ajax development, you know how invaluable an HTTP sniffer DOM inspector is. And quite honestly, I've found none better than the FireBug extension in FireFox to handle these tasks. Its a nice little plugin that sits unobtrusively until you need it. Well, Joe Hewitt, the author of FireBug, has released an open beta of the anxiously awaited FireBug 1.0. This is a MAJOR revamp of the original version and a must download if you're doing any type of Ajax, CSS or DOM manipulation. Trust me when I tell you that this plugin is invaluable and you will end up using it all of the time. http://www.getfirebug.com/ ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:262776 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Firebug 1.0 Beta is Out
I love the fact that he has a roach as his logo. Then his tagline contains the word evolved. Such irony. Truly a great software tho. DRE On 12/4/06, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I posted this on my blog but since I haven't reached reader levels on par with Ben Forta, Vince Bonfanti, Rob Ghonda or Sean Corfield, I figured I'd let you guys know. If you've been doing any form of Ajax development, you know how invaluable an HTTP sniffer DOM inspector is. And quite honestly, I've found none better than the FireBug extension in FireFox to handle these tasks. Its a nice little plugin that sits unobtrusively until you need it. Well, Joe Hewitt, the author of FireBug, has released an open beta of the anxiously awaited FireBug 1.0. This is a MAJOR revamp of the original version and a must download if you're doing any type of Ajax, CSS or DOM manipulation. Trust me when I tell you that this plugin is invaluable and you will end up using it all of the time. http://www.getfirebug.com/ ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:262787 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Firebug 1.0 Beta is Out
I'm with Ray...ServiceCapture is an amazingly nice tool. Fiddler is OK but no Flash Remoting support. I do have the IE Dev Toolbar but there is no JS support. :-( If I had it I wouldn't need FF (except for testing). On 12/4/06, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man I wish I could John. For IE 7, checkout this from Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=e59c3964-672d-4511-bb3e-2d5e1db91038displaylang=en and then use this for HTTP debugging: http://www.fiddlertool.com/fiddler/ What I do is develop using Firefox (which gives me FireBug) and then test and tweak in both FF and IE 6/7. HTH. Rey... John C. Bland II wrote: Rey, make this work in IE 7 and you'll be a hero! :-) Looks like a great app though. On 12/4/06, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I posted this on my blog but since I haven't reached reader levels on par with Ben Forta, Vince Bonfanti, Rob Ghonda or Sean Corfield, I figured I'd let you guys know. If you've been doing any form of Ajax development, you know how invaluable an HTTP sniffer DOM inspector is. And quite honestly, I've found none better than the FireBug extension in FireFox to handle these tasks. Its a nice little plugin that sits unobtrusively until you need it. Well, Joe Hewitt, the author of FireBug, has released an open beta of the anxiously awaited FireBug 1.0. This is a MAJOR revamp of the original version and a must download if you're doing any type of Ajax, CSS or DOM manipulation. Trust me when I tell you that this plugin is invaluable and you will end up using it all of the time. http://www.getfirebug.com/ ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:262835 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: beta fckeditor out
And Massimo Foti's WYSIWYG at cfmentor.com is by far the most promising. It runs as a coldfusion custom tag, (or cfmodule if you prefer) but it only works on IE6+.If you have mozilla users or netscape users you're stuffed. And it would be good to be able to offer a choice of styles from the site's style sheet instead of giving them the raw styling commands. Instead of Bold, Underline, Italics etc, I'd like to have a drop down that lets me use the styles as in the style sheet (i.e. headline, byline, story body, story teaser etc) But within those limitations, I guess it qualifies Kay, so I have to change my statement to I have a list of one. I have a more advanced version that support custom CSS classes and image upload. Write me directly if you would like to receive a copy. BTW While my editor does a pretty good job removing MS Word's garbage from pasted text, it's still not 100% perfect as far XHTML code goes, depending on the situation it may output tags that aren't nested properly. I was planning to fix this, add Mozilla support and more, but since Fckeditor and HTMLarea are free, powerful and very sophisticated, I don't think it make sense to invest more time on this. Instead I could simply customize Fckeditor or HTMLarea to suit my needs. Right now I am waiting to see Fckeditor's next release before making a final choice. Massimo Foti http://www.massimocorner.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: beta fckeditor out
I'm still looking for a choice of WYSIWYG editors that will produce valid XHTML.Up till now I have a list of zero. http://www.ektron.com/ewebeditproxml.aspx Ektron's latest editor apparently produces valid XHTML, though I haven't tested the code it produces. It does a lot of other stuff as well, like it enables you to build templates a la Dreamweaver, and it supports validation and sophisticated data entry in fields. It has an image editor built-in as well. The drawback is that it is a little pricy- licensed by URL and users. Still well worth it IMO. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: beta fckeditor out
It's actually got some features in mozilla/gecko that aren't available in IE, like splitting table cells with the mouse, etc.For something that's free, it's pretty spiffy. -joe - Original Message - From: Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:35:53 -0400 Subject: Re: beta fckeditor out To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] fckeditor is web based WYSIWYG HTML editor. Ah! Yet another one! ;-) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: beta fckeditor out
FCKEditor is one I've used - shows a lot of promise.But does it produce correct XHTML?(i.e. lower case tags, correct line breaks with the close slash .br / etc)The last few versions haven't.In fact it's changed valid XHTML into invalid by changing all the case characters to upper case. I'm still looking for a choice of WYSIWYG editors that will produce valid XHTML.Up till now I have a list of zero. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com _ From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 4 July 2004 9:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: beta fckeditor out It's actually got some features in mozilla/gecko that aren't available in IE, like splitting table cells with the mouse, etc.For something that's free, it's pretty spiffy. -joe [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: beta fckeditor out
Michael Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still looking for a choice of WYSIWYG editors that will produce valid XHTML.Up till now I have a list of zero. http://www.xstandard.com/ http://www.cfmentor.com/code/index.cfm?action=""> :) -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: beta fckeditor out
Thanks Kay, it's amazing how frequently our paths cross on the net. I've looked at XStandard one, and it uses an ACTIVEX control which means it will fail to work when WinXPPro SP2 comes out in a few weeks, just like all flash will fail.All ActiveX controls will fail unless they are from Microsoft, as I understand it,or have I got the wrong idea with that? And Massimo Foti's WYSIWYG at cfmentor.com is by far the most promising. It runs as a coldfusion custom tag, (or cfmodule if you prefer) but it only works on IE6+.If you have mozilla users or netscape users you're stuffed. And it would be good to be able to offer a choice of styles from the site's style sheet instead of giving them the raw styling commands. Instead of Bold, Underline, Italics etc, I'd like to have a drop down that lets me use the styles as in the style sheet (i.e. headline, byline, story body, story teaser etc) But within those limitations, I guess it qualifies Kay, so I have to change my statement to I have a list of one. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com _ From: Kay Smoljak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 4 July 2004 11:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: beta fckeditor out Michael Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still looking for a choice of WYSIWYG editors that will produce valid XHTML.Up till now I have a list of zero. http://www.xstandard.com/ http://www.cfmentor.com/code/index.cfm?action=""> :) -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:58:13 +1000, Michael Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Kay, it's amazing how frequently our paths cross on the net. Yeah, that means we must both be MAJOR nerds :) I've looked at XStandard one, and it uses an ACTIVEX control which means it will fail to work when WinXPPro SP2 comes out in a few weeks, just like all flash will fail.All ActiveX controls will fail unless they are from Microsoft, as I understand it,or have I got the wrong idea with that? I don't think that's true... I am running SP2 RC1 on my TabletPC (it adds some really must-have handwriting recognition enhancements), and Flash is working fine. I don't use IE generally, but I just fired it up, reset all IE settings to their default (a nifty feature that SP2 adds to the Tools menu) and browsed to a couple of sites that use Flash, including macromedia.com, and everything worked fine. Maybe if I didn't have the latest version of Flash installed already, but I don't really know. If you're worried, you should probably download and install the RC2 - I've got it in a Virtual PC virtual machine at work, but haven't had time to play with it much yet. Cheers, K. -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Michael Kear wrote: FCKEditor is one I've used - shows a lot of promise.But does it produce correct XHTML?(i.e. lower case tags, correct line breaks with the close slash .br / etc)The last few versions haven't.In fact it's changed valid XHTML into invalid by changing all the case characters to upper case. It generally doesn't write the code, most of that is built into the browser.. so it generated whatever code IE wanted to write, in most c ases. - Rick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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It's actually got some features in mozilla/gecko that aren't available in IE, like splitting table cells with the mouse, One could do this easily with IE as well. The trouble with Mozilla it finding where it is documented... -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Claude Schneegans wrote: It's actually got some features in mozilla/gecko that aren't available in IE, like splitting table cells with the mouse, One could do this easily with IE as well. The trouble with Mozilla it finding where it is documented... In the source of course :-) Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Um, I am running WinXp SP2 RC2 and it doesn't block Active X (or Flash) - it is just a LOT more wary about executing stuff than WinXP SP1. So far it seems to be pretty good. Peter Tilbrook Manager, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group - http://www.actcfug.com http://www.actcfug.com/ 4/73 Tharwa Road Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA Telephone: +61-2-6284-2727 Mobile: +61-0439-401-823 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: Michael Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 4 July 2004 11:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: beta fckeditor out Thanks Kay, it's amazing how frequently our paths cross on the net. I've looked at XStandard one, and it uses an ACTIVEX control which means it will fail to work when WinXPPro SP2 comes out in a few weeks, just like all flash will fail.All ActiveX controls will fail unless they are from Microsoft, as I understand it,or have I got the wrong idea with that? And Massimo Foti's WYSIWYG at cfmentor.com is by far the most promising. It runs as a coldfusion custom tag, (or cfmodule if you prefer) but it only works on IE6+.If you have mozilla users or netscape users you're stuffed. And it would be good to be able to offer a choice of styles from the site's style sheet instead of giving them the raw styling commands. Instead of Bold, Underline, Italics etc, I'd like to have a drop down that lets me use the styles as in the style sheet (i.e. headline, byline, story body, story teaser etc) But within those limitations, I guess it qualifies Kay, so I have to change my statement to I have a list of one. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com _ From: Kay Smoljak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 4 July 2004 11:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: beta fckeditor out Michael Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still looking for a choice of WYSIWYG editors that will produce valid XHTML.Up till now I have a list of zero. http://www.xstandard.com/ http://www.cfmentor.com/code/index.cfm?action=""> :) -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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If anyone uses fckeditor And what does it edit? -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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If anyone uses fckeditor And what does it edit? fckeditor is web based WYSIWYG HTML editor. http://www.fckeditor.net/ htmlArea has had a version in Beta for something like 2 years now that supports both IE and Mozilla. http://www.interactivetools.com/products/htmlarea/ Personally, I like fckeditor a lot more, it works great. - Rick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Yeah, it's nice but the beta is missing a lot of stuff from v1.6.Still waiting patiently :) Howie - Original Message - From: Rick Root To: CF-Talk Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: Re: beta fckeditor out Personally, I like fckeditor a lot more, it works great. - Rick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Its been out for awhile.More of a half-baked alpha than a beta, but considering their pricing ($0) and licensing (lesser GNU) no complaints. Some interesting stuff hiding under the hood.Skins apparently will be implemented, and if you enable the presently non-working file upload dialog it shows a lot of promise as a combined image/file manager. It was possible to enable a hidden Flash object inserter up to v1.5. But some disagreements on their forum caused it to be dropped in 1.6 (you can find the patch and the 1.5 fileset at sourceforge still, I bet). 2.0 has a lot of promise.we'll see. -- --Matt Robertson-- MSB Designs, Inc. mysecretbase.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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fckeditor is web based WYSIWYG HTML editor. Ah! Yet another one! ;-) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
On the subject, I don't know if anyone has started to build the FAQ yet I've building one now. Give it a month or two, and I'll ask for comments, corrections, etc. -- Aidan Whitehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Netshopper UK Ltd Advanced Web Solutions Services http://www.netshopperuk.com/ Telephone +44 (01744) 648650 Fax +44 (01744) 648651 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
query against it shouldn't really exact addtional memory requirements.
Sounds like it could be an enormous memory hog if used as above.
Buy more memory, (enormous memory if needed), your users deserve it.
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RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
The benefits listed below diminishes if application operates under a load balanced environment since it's very hard to synchronize large cached queries or, any cached query for that matter, between servers. You can call all other servers when one is being updated but performance wise not a good idea unless you are getting huge returns. Here's an idea - if you're not going to use it, don't pick holes in it - others will find this functionality very useful (I already know several apps which this will benfit) I personally don't use tags like CFFTP, but I don't sit here whining that it isn't much use for me... We all know the problems with cached queries on clustered servers, so this (probably) isn't going to change, but picking holes in new functionality that many of us will find useful just seems a little off to me... Philip Arnold Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 "Websites for the real world" ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ** ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
Philip Arnold - ASP wrote: The benefits listed below diminishes if application operates under a load balanced environment since it's very hard to synchronize large cached queries or, any cached query for that matter, between servers. You can call all other servers when one is being updated but performance wise not a good idea unless you are getting huge returns. Here's an idea - if you're not going to use it, don't pick holes in it - others will find this functionality very useful (I already know several apps which this will benfit) I dunno. I think a discussion of the 'good and bad' of the new features is pretty helpful. We all know the problems with cached queries on clustered servers, so this (probably) isn't going to change, but picking holes in new functionality that many of us will find useful just seems a little off to me... I think you're making an assumption that probably isn't true. The list seems to have readers of all levels of proficiency. Maybe Mr Forta or the figleaf crew and you already know the problems. That doesn't mean everyone does. -- Jeff Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: Reboog711 | ICQ: 5246969 | Phone: 860-229-2781 -- Instant ColdFusion 4.5 | ISBN: 0-07-213238-8 Due out 3rd Quarter 2001 -- DotComIt, LLC database driven web data using ColdFusion, Lotus Notes/Domino -- Half of the Alternative Folk Duo called Far Cry Fly http://www.farcryfly.com | http://www.mp3.com/FarCryFly -- I've got the brains, you've got the looks, let's make lots of money ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
I dunno. I think a discussion of the 'good and bad' of the new features is pretty helpful. The discussion is helpful, but to me, Xing's messages always seemed to be "I can't find a use, so why is it there?"... or is it me just being touchy... We all know the problems with cached queries on clustered servers, so this (probably) isn't going to change, but picking holes in new functionality that many of us will find useful just seems a little off to me... I think you're making an assumption that probably isn't true. The list seems to have readers of all levels of proficiency. Maybe Mr Forta or the figleaf crew and you already know the problems. That doesn't mean everyone does. Maybe it's just an assumption that every programmer we've had here has made, and so it seems obvious to us that if one computer loads a query into memory, obviously another computer can't access it's memory, it has it's own... It's rather like building 2 Word documents, typing into one and asking why that typing isn't in the other... they're separate files, like clustered servers are separate machines... I could go on with examples, but I'd just be laboring the point... Philip Arnold Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 "Websites for the real world" ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ** ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
I think you're making an assumption that probably isn't true. The list seems to have readers of all levels of proficiency. Maybe Mr Forta or the figleaf crew and you already know the problems. That doesn't mean everyone does. Maybe it's just an assumption that every programmer we've had here has made, and so it seems obvious to us that if one computer loads a query into memory, obviously another computer can't access it's memory, it has it's own... ;) It seems obvious to me. It seems obvious to you. I wouldn't assume that it seems obvious to everyone, though. If a developer has never worked in a clustered server situation, they may not know anything about them. -- Jeff Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: Reboog711 | ICQ: 5246969 | Phone: 860-229-2781 -- Instant ColdFusion 4.5 | ISBN: 0-07-213238-8 Due out 3rd Quarter 2001 -- DotComIt, LLC database driven web data using ColdFusion, Lotus Notes/Domino -- Half of the Alternative Folk Duo called Far Cry Fly http://www.farcryfly.com | http://www.mp3.com/FarCryFly -- I've got the brains, you've got the looks, let's make lots of money ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
Maybe it's just an assumption that every programmer we've had here has made, and so it seems obvious to us that if one computer loads a query into memory, obviously another computer can't access it's memory, it has it's own... ;) It seems obvious to me. It seems obvious to you. I wouldn't assume that it seems obvious to everyone, though. If a developer has never worked in a clustered server situation, they may not know anything about them. Very true - although, if the CF FAQ gets built and posted to House Of Fusion on the CF-Talk list sign-up, then it should get around issues like this and other questions that are asked about once a week... On the subject, I don't know if anyone has started to build the FAQ yet - I currently don't have enough time to help add to it (I spend "thinking time" looking at CF-Talk), but I'm sure there are enough people (esp with Uncle Ben, Michael D and Dave W here g) to build the "Mother of all CF FAQs"... Philip Arnold Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 "Websites for the real world" ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ** ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
At 1:55 PM + 2/3/01, Philip Arnold - ASP wrote: Maybe it's just an assumption that every programmer we've had here has made, and so it seems obvious to us that if one computer loads a query into memory, obviously another computer can't access it's memory, it has it's own... It's rather like building 2 Word documents, typing into one and asking why that typing isn't in the other... they're separate files, like clustered servers are separate machines... Ahh, but there probably is a way to collaborate/share a document or query... Chat rooms do it! White Boards do it! BBSs do it I am not familiar with the clustered server implementation, but there must be some *Master* program in control and to act as arbiter. The server cluster *Master* program would need to keep track of all cached queries and which clients are using which version... not too difficult a task. Then each client would have a browser plugin to act as a user agent periodically query the server cluster *Master* program to make sure he is using the latest version of a (query/document). This could be time-initiated, event-initiated or both. Probably easiest to do on a LAN or an intranet. With high bandwidth, it shouldn't be too bad on the Internet. A simple Flash 5 program would be a good candidate for the client-side agent Hmmm... Dick ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
Ahh, but there probably is a way to collaborate/share a document or query... Chat rooms do it! White Boards do it! BBSs do it I am not familiar with the clustered server implementation, but there must be some *Master* program in control and to act as arbiter. Theoretically, wouldn't that be done by soring data in a database, and thus negating the cache issue? Philip Arnold Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 "Websites for the real world" ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ** ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
At 7:29 PM + 2/3/01, Philip Arnold - ASP wrote: Ahh, but there probably is a way to collaborate/share a document or query... Chat rooms do it! White Boards do it! BBSs do it I am not familiar with the clustered server implementation, but there must be some *Master* program in control and to act as arbiter. Theoretically, wouldn't that be done by soring data in a database, and thus negating the cache issue? Maybe I misunderstand. I assumed the caching of db queries as well as pages/templates. I also assumed that there must be some *Master* program with control/knowledge of what is in the caches. If several people are collaborating/competing on a query: the query would be cached when any of the affected db records (in a particular query) are changed by a client (or the system), the cached query would be refreshed (and the *Master* program would be notified. requests by any client would be served from the cached copy (if one exists) or a new query would be issued to the db. For example: n clients are currently looking at the last xxx product for sale at a fantastic price Client L(ucky) adds it to his shopping cart... His agent (event-initiated) re-retrieves the current record from the server-cache... it is unchanged... so, proceed with the transaction Client U(nlucky) is a split-second too late... he hits the "add to cart" button. his agent (event-initiated) re-retrieves the current record from the server-cache... Gosh, you just missed it Clients A,B,C procrastinate, but their agent (time initiated) re-retrieves the current record from the server-cache... Alas, too late! I think that this is the closest you can get to push technology with the current web architecture. Server-side caching (whether clustered or un-clustered) should improve performance. In the simple example, all the clients had their browser pages updated efficiently. Only one, Client L(ucky), had any effect on the db (query, lock, update, unlock, rollback, etc.) In reality, the only thing that a client agent need do is send the query id and its timestamp. The server *Master* cache program would check the query ID and timestamp against its cached version send back a refresh of same to the client (only if necessary) Similar logic would apply if several people were collaborating on the same document. This is similar, in some ways,to how IBM's maimframe [sic] CICS (years ago) interfaced with IBM's DL/I database (As I recall, caches were called buffer-pools, in those days). Interestingly enough, Apple's much-maligned "AppleTalk" protocol does a prettu good job of refreshing the desktops of all the computers on a LAN... (when using ethernet) Dick ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
On 2/3/01, Philip Arnold - ASP penned: Theoretically, wouldn't that be done by soring data in a database, and thus negating the cache issue? If the program was written to run the query from the database "only if it didn't exist", then every time a person hit a different server in the cluster and the cached query didn't exist there, it would run the "main" query, then store in memory. On subsequent hits to that server in the cluster, the query WOULD exist and the query wouldn't have to run again before "querying the query". I'd presume however it is stored, you'll be able to do an isDefined on it. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!!
The Allaire Beta site doesn't list every product for every user, for some odd reason. I had to try several logins before seeing it. Gives you confidence in the product - no? If Allaire can't get their products to work, then what chance have we g Anyway - the strange thing is that when I login, it gives me the list, but the link to the .exe is broken... I've downloaded it anyway as I used a link sent by Cameron Philip Arnold Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 "Websites for the real world" ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ** ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
Have not tested or even had the priv to touch 5.0 yet but isn't just query a query just a search option? So we can do a search for array values, structs, and now arrays which are in a way structs. Hmm..actually, I have yet to use structfind() with queries so I wouldn't know if that works already. You want to know the biggest use for it? Say you've got one table with info in one datasource (SQL Server), but you have other info uploaded in an Excel sheet - you want to compare the data to see what's new in the sheet... Currently you'd have to run many queries, but with Query a Query you can run big queries on both and then just combine them into smaller queries with no database/sheet access If that isn't a bonus, I don't know what is! Philip Arnold Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 "Websites for the real world" ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ** ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
I'm not questioning whether it's a nice feature or not. I'm just looking for a nice application to put it to good use. From you what you have described, it doesn't save speed or resources in the long run. Currently you'd have to run many queries, but with Query a Query you can run big queries on both and then just combine them into smaller queries with no database/sheet access You are using more ram by grabbing big queries in the first place and then running smaller queries within the large queries in ram so you are still running many queries though not through SQL but with CF. And as the size of the excel sheet data and the SQL counterpart grow in size, the performance gain, if any, will most likely deminish since by grabbing more ram with the large qureries, other system functions might suffer. I'm gonna wait and see more developers test the query on query and see what's the general consensus in terms of performance. Like if a simple SELECT statement on an exisitng query with 100 records on CF would be faster than a SELECT statement directly with db server that contains 10,000 records. It might or might be faster since the db server is optimized for indexes, joins, and other query procedures. Xing You want to know the biggest use for it? Say you've got one table with info in one datasource (SQL Server), but you have other info uploaded in an Excel sheet - you want to compare the data to see what's new in the sheet... Currently you'd have to run many queries, but with Query a Query you can run big queries on both and then just combine them into smaller queries with no database/sheet access If that isn't a bonus, I don't know what is! Philip Arnold Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 "Websites for the real world" ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ** ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!!
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RE: The BETA IS OUT!!!
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RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
I'm not questioning whether it's a nice feature or not. I'm just
looking for a nice application to put it to good use.
Ok, here's how I'm kinda planning on putting it to use, and I'm happy to
burn the ram on it.
I have 16 zillion records or so, maybe a few less, and I need to grab
subsets of data from them all over the place. "Get me these records which
match such-and-such, a few more which are like something else, and a couple
more records where something really odd matches."
So I'm looking at 3 queries here, but wait I'll stick 'em in a loop too,
just to really snafu things up. Worse, the criteria I use to search by
changes all the time, guess that's caching out the window.
But now, with super new CF5 I run one query which selects all the fields I'm
ever going to need for *all the records* and, get this, *cache that query*,
now I run all my other queries against that large query. Note that I now
only hit the database *once* for the first big assed query, a big hit sure,
but now it's cached.
So next time I call the page, I don't hit the database at all, my smaller
queries with their every changing criteria, are querying a cached query.
Very much like being able to query a structure (which I suspect is what's
going on here anyway).
It's certainly going to speed up a number of projects I'm working on.
R'grds,
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RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
Do you have an need to worry about current data? Because if you hold that
large data set too long how long is it before it becomes outdated and
invalid? or does it stay static?
I'm in the lucky situation (in this case) of having updates submitted to the
database out of office hours, when the system's not in use. The plan is to
schedule a query at sometime like 2pm, and then have that cached for 16
hours or so.
I could see that as a great thing if it was static all the time but I dont
see you are being able to use that all the time for any longer
then you can safely say this data has not been changed yet.
I guess in each case you'll have to balance the pro's and con's, if there
were enough hits on a database from users requesting information, I'd be
happy (in most cases) for them to get 10 of 15 minute lagged data, if it
pushes up the response time. Normal caching rules apply :)
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Re: The BETA IS OUT!!!
Dave, Several different login attempts or different login name? James Dave Watts wrote: The Beta for 5.0 is available!!! The Beta forum says it's available 2nd Feb and the Beta login says "No Beta Software." - I think you're jumping the gun a little... No, it's on there. The Allaire Beta site doesn't list every product for every user, for some odd reason. I had to try several logins before seeing it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
exactly =) Bill Wheatley Director of Development AEPS INC Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer http://www.aeps.com ICQ: 417645 http://www.aeps2000.com 954-472-6684 X303 IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachment to it is intended only to be read or used by the named addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistaken transmission to you. If you receive this e-mail in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose, copy or use any part of this e-mail if you are not the intended recipient. The RTA is not responsible for any unauthorized alterations to this e-mail or attachment to it - Original Message - From: "Cameron Childress" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 11:25 AM Subject: RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query) Do you have an need to worry about current data? Because if you hold that large data set too long how long is it before it becomes outdated and invalid? or does it stay static? Simple answer: If that's true for your app, don't use this feature. OR... every time you update the info in the DB, update your query object in RAM too. Here's another example of how it could be helpful: Allaire's Support Forums, everyone's used this right? What if the search results were stored in a query object which you could re-order by date, author, subject, at will without making a round trip to the DB. You could also do the "Get next 10 records" without going back to the db. Depending on how much ram you have on your machine and how many users are on it, you could probably browse the full message bodies without a round trip too. -Cameron Cameron Childress elliptIQ Inc. p.770.460.7277.232 f.770.460.0963 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
We have cached queries that hold information that is used on every page hit of the site. Every page returns a random record from the cached record set. Now, each of these records have links to products, and each record has several products associated with it. Ordinarily, the first link is displayed. However, in one section of the site, all of the products are displayed (sometimes these are recipe ingredients so let's assume that's the case). Below the section that lists the products is a section that has links to all recipes that contain that product. Now then (what does that phrase mean anyway?), I have cached queries that contain the recipes and the associated products but the query is run on the recipe id. However, to get the list of all recipes that contain a specified product, I'd have to use a significantly different query but one that contains all of the same fields, joined in a similar way. The only thing that changes is the search criteria: you are either searching by recipe id or you are searching by product id. In both cases, a lot of the same information is returned. Right now, this sucks. However, if I could load in a query of all recipe ids joined on the product ids and another list of the copy for the recipes joined on their recipe id (including the first product id), I could do this instead: 1) display the copy linked to the recipe id where that needs to happen (every page of the site) by outputting a random record from the copy/recipe id set 2) generate the list of ingredients by querying the recipe id/product id list for that recipe id 3) generate the list of recipes by querying the recipe id/product id list for the product id That means that instead of caching 100 recipe id/product id queries plus 500 product id/recipe id queries (or hitting the db every time or loading the records into a structure), I could cache 2 queries and query them as appropriate. It would be much simpler and would save resources lost to all other methods. Ding ding ding! At 03:09 PM 2/1/01 -0800, you wrote: I haven't thought of a kickass problem/solution that would need query a query ability so I'm happy that's it is there to use but not, stoked, at least not yet. =) Have not tested or even had the priv to touch 5.0 yet but isn't just query a query just a search option? So we can do a search for array values, structs, and now arrays which are in a way structs. Hmm..actually, I have yet to use structfind() with queries so I wouldn't know if that works already. Maybe with query a query you can isolate a range of records that fits a new condition on a existing query? but wouldn't that be a waste of ram and sql power to return a large query in the first place that you need to do sub queries on? Basically, I'm trying to find a good problem that would really need the feature and would speed up the performance while not wasting resources. Xing So who's stoked about the Query a Query ability? Pretty damn cool eh? Michael Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] (714) 556-3890 x222 http://www.price.com ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!!
What link was that? The link on the download site is broken... No link. It was a figment of Philip's imagination. Chain link fence Philip Arnold Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 "Websites for the real world" ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ** ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
I think this example illustrates one use of query of a query is when the cached queries contain de-normalized data. This is the same conclusion I came to when I cached a database in RAM in a Structure and wrote queries against the data in the Structure (which I later abandoned for cached queries, which were faster than the Structure approach). best, paul At 11:45 AM 2/2/01 -0600, you wrote: We have cached queries that hold information that is used on every page hit of the site. Every page returns a random record from the cached record set. Now, each of these records have links to products, and each record has several products associated with it. Ordinarily, the first link is displayed. However, in one section of the site, all of the products are displayed (sometimes these are recipe ingredients so let's assume that's the case). Below the section that lists the products is a section that has links to all recipes that contain that product. Now then (what does that phrase mean anyway?), I have cached queries that contain the recipes and the associated products but the query is run on the recipe id. However, to get the list of all recipes that contain a specified product, I'd have to use a significantly different query but one that contains all of the same fields, joined in a similar way. The only thing that changes is the search criteria: you are either searching by recipe id or you are searching by product id. In both cases, a lot of the same information is returned. Right now, this sucks. However, if I could load in a query of all recipe ids joined on the product ids and another list of the copy for the recipes joined on their recipe id (including the first product id), I could do this instead: 1) display the copy linked to the recipe id where that needs to happen (every page of the site) by outputting a random record from the copy/recipe id set 2) generate the list of ingredients by querying the recipe id/product id list for that recipe id 3) generate the list of recipes by querying the recipe id/product id list for the product id That means that instead of caching 100 recipe id/product id queries plus 500 product id/recipe id queries (or hitting the db every time or loading the records into a structure), I could cache 2 queries and query them as appropriate. It would be much simpler and would save resources lost to all other methods. Ding ding ding! At 03:09 PM 2/1/01 -0800, you wrote: I haven't thought of a kickass problem/solution that would need query a query ability so I'm happy that's it is there to use but not, stoked, at least not yet. =) Have not tested or even had the priv to touch 5.0 yet but isn't just query a query just a search option? So we can do a search for array values, structs, and now arrays which are in a way structs. Hmm..actually, I have yet to use structfind() with queries so I wouldn't know if that works already. Maybe with query a query you can isolate a range of records that fits a new condition on a existing query? but wouldn't that be a waste of ram and sql power to return a large query in the first place that you need to do sub queries on? Basically, I'm trying to find a good problem that would really need the feature and would speed up the performance while not wasting resources. Xing So who's stoked about the Query a Query ability? Pretty damn cool eh? Michael Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] (714) 556-3890 x222 http://www.price.com ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
On 2/2/01, Jim McAtee penned: Do we even know if this feature will allow you to query persistant queries (can it use a cached query?) or only queries from the current request? In CF currently, the query is in memory anyway, so adding the ability to run a query against it shouldn't really exact addtional memory requirements. Sounds like it could be an enormous memory hog if used as above. Yeah, I'd like to see them add a limit. Kind of like the 100 limit for Cached queries, but let you add a limit in KB. It doesn't do much good if you limit cached queries to 100 and then cache 5 MB queries on a server with 512 KB of RAM. Granted, those would be some bitchin' queries, but with the "query a query" option, I can see people storing some mighty large ones. Sounds like a way cool thing, but will probably end up being a little more problematic in a shared environment where the likelihood of taxing the resources would be higher. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
There never was an upper limit of 100. CF Admin notwithstanding. best, paul At 01:41 PM 2/2/01 -0500, you wrote: Yeah, I'd like to see them add a limit. Kind of like the 100 limit for Cached queries, but let you add a limit in KB. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
The benefits listed below diminishes if application operates under a load balanced environment since it's very hard to synchronize large cached queries or, any cached query for that matter, between servers. You can call all other servers when one is being updated but performance wise not a good idea unless you are getting huge returns. I disagree. If you set up your clustered envirtonment correctly, you should have all the server flush their cache when the database is updated or at a scheduled time. What we have done is actually have one server just run as the "commander" as we call it. When we make a site wide update, we have "the commander" send out to the other servers script commands to run (based on what it is we want them all to do). I don't see how this is "performancely wise" this isn't a good idea. If you don't keep all your servers exactly the same, then data corruption can occur. --=@ greg @=-- - Original Message - From: "Xing Li" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: Re: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query) The benefits listed below diminishes if application operates under a load balanced environment since it's very hard to synchronize large cached queries or, any cached query for that matter, between servers. You can call all other servers when one is being updated but performance wise not a good idea unless you are getting huge returns. If you cache a product description and that product description is updated but since each of the 3 clustered servers are holding a different cache you might have a public relations nightmare if those orders are placed based on an out-of-date description. xing - Original Message - From: "Jennifer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 9:45 AM Subject: Re: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query) We have cached queries that hold information that is used on every page hit of the site. Every page returns a random record from the cached record set. Now, each of these records have links to products, and each record has several products associated with it. Ordinarily, the first link is displayed. However, in one section of the site, all of the products are displayed (sometimes these are recipe ingredients so let's assume that's the case). Below the section that lists the products is a section that has links to all recipes that contain that product. Now then (what does that phrase mean anyway?), I have cached queries that contain the recipes and the associated products but the query is run on the recipe id. However, to get the list of all recipes that contain a specified product, I'd have to use a significantly different query but one that contains all of the same fields, joined in a similar way. The only thing that changes is the search criteria: you are either searching by recipe id or you are searching by product id. In both cases, a lot of the same information is returned. Right now, this sucks. However, if I could load in a query of all recipe ids joined on the product ids and another list of the copy for the recipes joined on their recipe id (including the first product id), I could do this instead: 1) display the copy linked to the recipe id where that needs to happen (every page of the site) by outputting a random record from the copy/recipe id set 2) generate the list of ingredients by querying the recipe id/product id list for that recipe id 3) generate the list of recipes by querying the recipe id/product id list for the product id That means that instead of caching 100 recipe id/product id queries plus 500 product id/recipe id queries (or hitting the db every time or loading the records into a structure), I could cache 2 queries and query them as appropriate. It would be much simpler and would save resources lost to all other methods. Ding ding ding! At 03:09 PM 2/1/01 -0800, you wrote: I haven't thought of a kickass problem/solution that would need query a query ability so I'm happy that's it is there to use but not, stoked, at least not yet. =) Have not tested or even had the priv to touch 5.0 yet but isn't just query a query just a search option? So we can do a search for array values, structs, and now arrays which are in a way structs. Hmm..actually, I have yet to use structfind() with queries so I wouldn't know if that works already. Maybe with query a query you can isolate a range of records that fits a new condition on a existing query? but wouldn't that be a waste of ram and sql power to return a large query in the first place that you need to do sub queries on? Basically, I'm trying to find a good problem that would really need the feature and would speed up the performance while not wasting resource
Re: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
If you cached the queries by storing them in application scoped structures that refresh on demand or on a timeframe, you can update the cache by sending a command to any page in the application. It would be simple to automate this across multiple servers if you can refer to the server by IP or distinct domain name. In this case, however, this isn't an issue anyway, since the data will probably not be updated for weeks at a time and never as an emergency. At 12:54 PM 2/2/01 -0800, you wrote: The benefits listed below diminishes if application operates under a load balanced environment since it's very hard to synchronize large cached queries or, any cached query for that matter, between servers. You can call all other servers when one is being updated but performance wise not a good idea unless you are getting huge returns. If you cache a product description and that product description is updated but since each of the 3 clustered servers are holding a different cache you might have a public relations nightmare if those orders are placed based on an out-of-date description. xing - Original Message - From: "Jennifer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 9:45 AM Subject: Re: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query) We have cached queries that hold information that is used on every page hit of the site. Every page returns a random record from the cached record set. Now, each of these records have links to products, and each record has several products associated with it. Ordinarily, the first link is displayed. However, in one section of the site, all of the products are displayed (sometimes these are recipe ingredients so let's assume that's the case). Below the section that lists the products is a section that has links to all recipes that contain that product. Now then (what does that phrase mean anyway?), I have cached queries that contain the recipes and the associated products but the query is run on the recipe id. However, to get the list of all recipes that contain a specified product, I'd have to use a significantly different query but one that contains all of the same fields, joined in a similar way. The only thing that changes is the search criteria: you are either searching by recipe id or you are searching by product id. In both cases, a lot of the same information is returned. Right now, this sucks. However, if I could load in a query of all recipe ids joined on the product ids and another list of the copy for the recipes joined on their recipe id (including the first product id), I could do this instead: 1) display the copy linked to the recipe id where that needs to happen (every page of the site) by outputting a random record from the copy/recipe id set 2) generate the list of ingredients by querying the recipe id/product id list for that recipe id 3) generate the list of recipes by querying the recipe id/product id list for the product id That means that instead of caching 100 recipe id/product id queries plus 500 product id/recipe id queries (or hitting the db every time or loading the records into a structure), I could cache 2 queries and query them as appropriate. It would be much simpler and would save resources lost to all other methods. Ding ding ding! At 03:09 PM 2/1/01 -0800, you wrote: I haven't thought of a kickass problem/solution that would need query a query ability so I'm happy that's it is there to use but not, stoked, at least not yet. =) Have not tested or even had the priv to touch 5.0 yet but isn't just query a query just a search option? So we can do a search for array values, structs, and now arrays which are in a way structs. Hmm..actually, I have yet to use structfind() with queries so I wouldn't know if that works already. Maybe with query a query you can isolate a range of records that fits a new condition on a existing query? but wouldn't that be a waste of ram and sql power to return a large query in the first place that you need to do sub queries on? Basically, I'm trying to find a good problem that would really need the feature and would speed up the performance while not wasting resources. Xing So who's stoked about the Query a Query ability? Pretty damn cool eh? Michael Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] (714) 556-3890 x222 http://www.price.com ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
On 2/2/01, Greg Wolfinger penned: Just to let you know CF 4.5 does not have a query cache limit. Can you set one though? -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
Just to let you know CF 4.5 does not have a query cache limit. Can you set one though? The default number of cached queries allowed is 100. You can change in in the CF Administrator. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
The BETA IS OUT!!!
The Beta for 5.0 is available!!! Jeff Garza Web Developer/Webmaster Spectrum Astro, Inc. 480.892.8200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.spectrumastro.com ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!!
The Beta for 5.0 is available!!! You'll want to be careful with it - it is significantly different in many ways from prior releases, and you may have installation problems. Don't put in on a machine you're using for any development work. Also, there's no Advanced Security in it, so you can't run Spectra on it, for those who care. Also, when I installed it, I had an odd problem with RDS failing to find a file, and I had to mark the service as disabled, shut down, and restart. There's some interesting stuff in there, though, such as a bundled install of JRun, significant changes to ClusterCATS, and some facilities for backing up server configurations. Also, you can pass arbitrary ODBC connection strings directly to the database now. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!!
The Beta for 5.0 is available!!! The Beta forum says it's available 2nd Feb and the Beta login says "No Beta Software." - I think you're jumping the gun a little... Philip Arnold Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 "Websites for the real world" ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ** ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: The BETA IS OUT!!!
Where? Todd Ashworth Saber Corporation (803) 327-0137 [111] - Original Message - From: "Garza, Jeff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: The BETA IS OUT!!! | The Beta for 5.0 is available!!! | | Jeff Garza | Web Developer/Webmaster | Spectrum Astro, Inc. | 480.892.8200 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.spectrumastro.com | | | ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!!
I read the release notes and didn't see anything about custom functions. Does anyone know if this has been included in beta 1? Jason Jason Aden Allaire Certified Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wwstudios.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:05 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! The Beta for 5.0 is available!!! You'll want to be careful with it - it is significantly different in many ways from prior releases, and you may have installation problems. Don't put in on a machine you're using for any development work. Also, there's no Advanced Security in it, so you can't run Spectra on it, for those who care. Also, when I installed it, I had an odd problem with RDS failing to find a file, and I had to mark the service as disabled, shut down, and restart. There's some interesting stuff in there, though, such as a bundled install of JRun, significant changes to ClusterCATS, and some facilities for backing up server configurations. Also, you can pass arbitrary ODBC connection strings directly to the database now. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!!
Hmm... I just downloaded it about an hour ago. When I go to the beta site now I get the "No Beta Software" message too. They must have made a mistake and opened it up early temporarily. Jason Jason Aden Allaire Certified Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wwstudios.com -Original Message- From: Philip Arnold - ASP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! The Beta for 5.0 is available!!! The Beta forum says it's available 2nd Feb and the Beta login says "No Beta Software." - I think you're jumping the gun a little... Philip Arnold Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 "Websites for the real world" ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ** ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!!
No, not really, but yes I did jump the gun "a little" G. My apologies to the list. Jeff Garza Web Developer/Webmaster Spectrum Astro, Inc. 480.892.8200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.spectrumastro.com -Original Message- From: Philip Arnold - ASP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! The Beta for 5.0 is available!!! The Beta forum says it's available 2nd Feb and the Beta login says "No Beta Software." - I think you're jumping the gun a little... Philip Arnold Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 "Websites for the real world" ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ** ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!!
where? all I find on the beta page is a note saying the cycle begins 2/2/2001 Richard Kern -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:05 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! The Beta for 5.0 is available!!! You'll want to be careful with it - it is significantly different in many ways from prior releases, and you may have installation problems. Don't put in on a machine you're using for any development work. Also, there's no Advanced Security in it, so you can't run Spectra on it, for those who care. Also, when I installed it, I had an odd problem with RDS failing to find a file, and I had to mark the service as disabled, shut down, and restart. There's some interesting stuff in there, though, such as a bundled install of JRun, significant changes to ClusterCATS, and some facilities for backing up server configurations. Also, you can pass arbitrary ODBC connection strings directly to the database now. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!!
The Beta for 5.0 is available!!! The Beta forum says it's available 2nd Feb and the Beta login says "No Beta Software." - I think you're jumping the gun a little... No, it's on there. The Allaire Beta site doesn't list every product for every user, for some odd reason. I had to try several logins before seeing it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: The BETA IS OUT!!!
I went to teh beta site and it wasn't there... -- Clint Tredway www.factorxsoftware.com -- ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: The BETA IS OUT!!!
It was there for me about an hour ago, but is gone now, with the same userid. Who knows. DC - Original Message - From: "Dave Watts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 15:43 Subject: RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! The Beta for 5.0 is available!!! The Beta forum says it's available 2nd Feb and the Beta login says "No Beta Software." - I think you're jumping the gun a little... No, it's on there. The Allaire Beta site doesn't list every product for every user, for some odd reason. I had to try several logins before seeing it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!!
Before I stepped out for lunch I had access, and now that I'm back i see "No Beta Software". Pretty odd. So who's stoked about the Query a Query ability? Pretty damn cool eh? Michael Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] (714) 556-3890 x222 http://www.price.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! The Beta for 5.0 is available!!! The Beta forum says it's available 2nd Feb and the Beta login says "No Beta Software." - I think you're jumping the gun a little... No, it's on there. The Allaire Beta site doesn't list every product for every user, for some odd reason. I had to try several logins before seeing it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: The BETA IS OUT!!!
Hopefully they do not attempt make this a closed beta. I tried my normal login, which I have had for more than a year now, and I don't see it. I register a new account and it doesn't work either. Maybe we just have to wait till Feb2 for all public access. xing The Beta for 5.0 is available!!! The Beta forum says it's available 2nd Feb and the Beta login says "No Beta Software." - I think you're jumping the gun a little... No, it's on there. The Allaire Beta site doesn't list every product for every user, for some odd reason. I had to try several logins before seeing it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!!
It's not there. Looks like someone put it online inadvertently and was told to remove it. Word is that it won't be there till tomorrow... ? Oh well.. have waited this long. Guess another day won't hurt. And yes.. the query-a-query is pretty nice! Lee Fuller Chief Technical Officer PrimeDNA Corporation -Original Message- From: Michael Buffington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! Before I stepped out for lunch I had access, and now that I'm back i see "No Beta Software". Pretty odd. So who's stoked about the Query a Query ability? Pretty damn cool eh? Michael Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] (714) 556-3890 x222 http://www.price.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! The Beta for 5.0 is available!!! The Beta forum says it's available 2nd Feb and the Beta login says "No Beta Software." - I think you're jumping the gun a little... No, it's on there. The Allaire Beta site doesn't list every product for every user, for some odd reason. I had to try several logins before seeing it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!!
Before I stepped out for lunch I had access, and now that I'm back i see "No Beta Software". Pretty odd. I just got a call from Dave Gruber, who's the product manager of Allaire. He told me that the 5.0 beta 1 release wasn't supposed to be publicly available today, which is why it was there for a minute, then gone. He also said that it should be available very soon. So, there you go. It'll be worth the wait. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: The BETA IS OUT!!!
Query a Query.lemme at it. Where are the docsgotta read up on this stuff. -Original Message- From: Michael Buffington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! Before I stepped out for lunch I had access, and now that I'm back i see "No Beta Software". Pretty odd. So who's stoked about the Query a Query ability? Pretty damn cool eh? Michael Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] (714) 556-3890 x222 http://www.price.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The BETA IS OUT!!! The Beta for 5.0 is available!!! The Beta forum says it's available 2nd Feb and the Beta login says "No Beta Software." - I think you're jumping the gun a little... No, it's on there. The Allaire Beta site doesn't list every product for every user, for some odd reason. I had to try several logins before seeing it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: The BETA IS OUT!!! (query a query)
I haven't thought of a kickass problem/solution that would need query a query ability so I'm happy that's it is there to use but not, stoked, at least not yet. =) Have not tested or even had the priv to touch 5.0 yet but isn't just query a query just a search option? So we can do a search for array values, structs, and now arrays which are in a way structs. Hmm..actually, I have yet to use structfind() with queries so I wouldn't know if that works already. Maybe with query a query you can isolate a range of records that fits a new condition on a existing query? but wouldn't that be a waste of ram and sql power to return a large query in the first place that you need to do sub queries on? Basically, I'm trying to find a good problem that would really need the feature and would speed up the performance while not wasting resources. Xing So who's stoked about the Query a Query ability? Pretty damn cool eh? Michael Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] (714) 556-3890 x222 http://www.price.com ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: The BETA IS OUT!!!
On 2/1/01, Garza, Jeff penned: The Beta for 5.0 is available!!! Cool. Maybe I'll go ahead and install my copy of 4.51 now. :) -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
