RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

2005-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 2) Make sure you have thought of additional cases where
 they might fire that you had not expected.

I've seen on a few occasions a novice trigger-writer will create an
update trigger that produces an error if more than one record is
updated at once because they didn't antiscipate multi-record
updates... It seems to be a reasonably common mistake. I know I made
it once upon a time. :)


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Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt (was RE: Ajax and CFCs)

2005-08-18 Thread Keith Gaughan
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Jim Davis wrote:

-Original Message-
From: Keith Gaughan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Not quite true. The data typing in JSON is implicit. Of the types listed
below it can unambiguously represent object, array, null, string,
string, boolean, and number. It's all implicit in the syntax. Dynamic

 That's true I guess.  But there IS more: JSON also can't represent
 non-numeric keyed arrays (something called JavaScript Hashtables) for
 example.

Ah, but isn't that what an object in JS(ON) essentially is?

{
I am: a string-keyed,
array or: a hashtable,
if:   you will.
}

 I'd include some kind of explicit recordset type too.
 
 I consider that for a long... long time... but decided against it.  Any
 representation of a recordset I've ever seen is either column-based (which
 is an object whose properties are arrays) or record-based (which is an array
 of objects).
 
 Both of these representations can be done using Arrays and Objects so why is
 it really needed?  Either we create a custom RecordSet object in JS or we
 convert it to the native data types... but since the latter is just as easy
 as the first for JS why bother?

True, but I was thinking that it might be nice to annote it as such.

 The main problem here is that it's impossible to describe such a language an
 XSD (unless you allow any tag - which includes xHTML, made up tags, etc -
 in any place).  XSD only allows a tag to contain ordered tags or any tags
 (so the former would force us to say that object must appear before
 array which must appear before string and so forth - which makes the
 serialization an order of magnitude more complex).

Hmmm... I heard XSD was a bit odd, but I didn't think it was *that* bad.
Holy crap! I think I'll stick with DTDs then.

I'd like to point out that here the md tag is essentially defining a
new type, so you could change this to:
 
 I could... but in keeping with the theme, if I did do it would probably be a
 dt (data type) tag.  ;^)

Fairy nuff. :-)

Should such a thing force all children of the array to be the same?

Yes, unless you want to reserve the undefined type for use in md to
represent somewhere where the types are specified in the body.
 
 I was thinking more organically on this one.
 
 My thinking would be that the type would only apply as a mask to the
 linked elements.  So, if a child tags type was defined it would apply it, if
 not it wouldn't.  If it defined an object but no properties then that
 object could have any properties.

You could do that alright. I was just thinking of a situation where you
might have something like this:

dt name=wotsit
d type=array
d type=object fields=id,name,value
d type=number/
d type=string/
!-- The next element could have any type: do we use... --
d/
!-- Or... --
d type=undefined/
/d
/dt
/dt

Where the value might be an object or an array of objects.

 This is one reason that I'm NOT super comfortable with the type concept...
 it seems to imply a full definition when it could only part of one.

Nah, types can be just partial definitions of what's going on too.

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RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

2005-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 Well I always put comments in the CFM pages stating that
 triggers will be
 called as a result of the query.

 Russ

Sounds like that could cause a comment-maintenance issue... i.e.
create trigger, search app for references to applied table... same
when you drop the trigger...


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RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

2005-08-18 Thread Russ Michaels
Thus why we have development and testing servers :-) 

-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 August 2005 17:33
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

 2) Make sure you have thought of additional cases where they might 
 fire that you had not expected.

I've seen on a few occasions a novice trigger-writer will create an update
trigger that produces an error if more than one record is updated at once
because they didn't antiscipate multi-record updates... It seems to be a
reasonably common mistake. I know I made it once upon a time. :)


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OT applet Image Viewer suggestions

2005-08-18 Thread Greg Johnson
I know this isn't Cold Fusion related, but this list is the best 
information resource around.

I need a image viewer for a webpage.  It has to look comertial.  Click 
to zoom in/out with magnifying glass cursor if possible, click drag to 
pan around.  Just has to display 1 picutre intialy scaled to the size of 
the applet.  Will be used in a popup.

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Re: CFEclipse 1.2 - How do you wrap text?

2005-08-18 Thread Barney Boisvert
From talking to Spike a while back, this is a feature that Eclipse
(not CFEclipse) doesn't support, and building it into CFEclipse would
basically mean rewriting a large chunk of the Eclipse-provided editor
controls.  So a lot of work for a pretty small benefit.  Not that it
won't get done, of course, just that there are better uses of
developer time at the moment.

Take that with a grain of salt of course, it's coming third-party, and
at least 4-5 months from the past.  ;)

cheers,
barneyb

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 We're told that feature is not yet available and on the list of future 
 upgrades.
 
 
 On 8/17/05, Che Vilnonis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  For CFEclipse 1.2 - How do you wrap text?
 
 
 


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Re: OT: Announce: Blogs onTap 2.0 Beta Released

2005-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Give it a bit and try again... I was getting DNS errors in IE this
morning in spite of being able to ping/tracert to it pretty quickly...
I was hoping transient network issues... could be a problem with the
server, I don't know... the framework site is actually hosted for
free, so I don't have a lot of leverage to complain about it. :) But
the site is up and reasonably responsive most of the time.

 I don't think your server is responding.

 On 8/18/05, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 After slightly more than a week of work I've published
 the first
 release of Blogs onTap 2.0 Beta and would be grateful for
 any feedback
 anyone would like to offer. I would like to get some
 comparison with
 the other free blog applications available for CF
 recently, although I
 haven't had time to install any of them yet myself.

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RE: OT applet Image Viewer suggestions

2005-08-18 Thread Kevin Aebig
Flash or Java?

Cheers,

Kevin

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Sent: August 18, 2005 10:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT applet Image Viewer suggestions

I know this isn't Cold Fusion related, but this list is the best 
information resource around.

I need a image viewer for a webpage.  It has to look comertial.  Click 
to zoom in/out with magnifying glass cursor if possible, click drag to 
pan around.  Just has to display 1 picutre intialy scaled to the size of 
the applet.  Will be used in a popup.

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RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

2005-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Of course. :) I do personally believe there are cases in which
triggers are useful, was just reminded of what I'd seen in this vein
of additional cases.

 Thus why we have development and testing servers :-)

 -Original Message-
 From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 18 August 2005 17:33
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

 2) Make sure you have thought of additional cases where
 they might
 fire that you had not expected.

 I've seen on a few occasions a novice trigger-writer will
 create an update
 trigger that produces an error if more than one record is
 updated at once
 because they didn't antiscipate multi-record updates... It
 seems to be a
 reasonably common mistake. I know I made it once upon a
 time. :)


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Re: OT applet Image Viewer suggestions

2005-08-18 Thread Greg Johnson
Either as long as it works in all/most browser, specificaly IE, 
FireFox(DeerPark), Mozilla, Netscape, Opera and Safari on Macs

Kevin Aebig wrote:

Flash or Java?

Cheers,

Kevin

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Sent: August 18, 2005 10:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT applet Image Viewer suggestions

I know this isn't Cold Fusion related, but this list is the best 
information resource around.

I need a image viewer for a webpage.  It has to look comertial.  Click 
to zoom in/out with magnifying glass cursor if possible, click drag to 
pan around.  Just has to display 1 picutre intialy scaled to the size of 
the applet.  Will be used in a popup.

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shall restore amends.

  


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RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

2005-08-18 Thread Russ Michaels
That depends how you do your comments. :-)
 

-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 August 2005 17:42
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

 Well I always put comments in the CFM pages stating that triggers will 
 be called as a result of the query.

 Russ

Sounds like that could cause a comment-maintenance issue... i.e.
create trigger, search app for references to applied table... same when you
drop the trigger...


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RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

2005-08-18 Thread Mark A Kruger
Russ,

And if someone accesses the data in a new way? Using PHP or .net for
example? What if someone creates a stored proc?  Many of our applications
work with data that is shared in some way among applications.

-Mark


-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:08 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records


Well I always put comments in the CFM pages stating that triggers will be
called as a result of the query.

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 August 2005 16:55
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

I agree that triggers are A little bit more obscure than other methods of
handling DB tasks. I think there IS a place for them. The afore mentioned
cascading  deactivation seemed to me to be a good example. I always think
about 2 things when doing a trigger.

 1) Make sure you document them. Triggers make it a little more difficult to
pass your DB schema and design onto the next developer when you stop working
with the site. They so rarely make it into the data dictionary or
documentation.

2) Make sure you have thought of additional cases where they might fire
that you had not expected. The case of directly changing data is one of
them. Should you ever edit data directly? In most cases you should not. Is
it ever required?  Yes - sometimes it is required - so that is a case you
should plan for, even if you have an overwhelmingly draconian policy on
the matter you should plan for the case when the next guy is working with
your code.

In fact, as a general rule, your code and your applicaitons will definitely
be seen and altered by other people down stream.  You should count on it and
try to make it easy on them.

-Mark

-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:05 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records


Not at all. I'm saying that you can use an SP to accomplish the same goals
and it also secures your data and ensures the integrity you need.

It is a different approach, but it is a viable and often used approach.

Security is what should prevent data being changed without going through the
stored procedure. That security is set on the database itself. ColdFusion
has nothing to do with this discussion.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:42 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

Then you may as well just say don't even write stored procedures either, do
it all via CFQUERY. Or don't build in any relationships, let CF handle that
as well.
Having a trigger that detects an update and then executes the stored
procedure would cover you against unforseen circumstances where the data
might change without going through the SP.

--
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-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 August 2005 15:31
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

You can secure access to the database, limiting all updates, for example, to
that SP.

That should still accomplish the same goal.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

But an SP still has to be triggered by something.  And that is really what
he is saying, because my example cannot be accomplished just by a SP, unless
you implicitly execute that SP every time. Which means your  still relying
on the ColdFusion code to do so.
If someone edits a record directly on the database, then how would that SP
get executed.

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 August 2005 15:07
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

That's not what he's saying.

What he's saying is that an SP can accomplish the same goal.

The difference is that the SP encapsulates the update and 'triggered'
functionality and therefore would receive the updates instead of the table
itself.

Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

Neil,

You are totally avoiding answering the question.

You have stated that an SP can do everything a trigger can do, and you have
stated that an SP can automatically be execute when a certain event occurs
just like a trigger.

So for the 3rd time, please show me how.

russ

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 August 2005 14:38
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

What you are stating and what the process is are two different
beasts.your trigger is simply a lazy way to monitor a process which you
are not doubt firing as part of what 

RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

2005-08-18 Thread Russ Michaels
Well that is exactly where I think a trigger come sin handy, because your
then not relying on that third party script to update the table or call the
required SP to do it. It will be done automatically.
For me it's like using a framework. You can get a developer to write a
module without having to worry about how the rest of the application works.

--
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-Original Message-
From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 August 2005 18:30
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

Russ,

And if someone accesses the data in a new way? Using PHP or .net for
example? What if someone creates a stored proc?  Many of our applications
work with data that is shared in some way among applications.

-Mark


-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:08 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records


Well I always put comments in the CFM pages stating that triggers will be
called as a result of the query.

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 August 2005 16:55
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

I agree that triggers are A little bit more obscure than other methods of
handling DB tasks. I think there IS a place for them. The afore mentioned
cascading  deactivation seemed to me to be a good example. I always think
about 2 things when doing a trigger.

 1) Make sure you document them. Triggers make it a little more difficult to
pass your DB schema and design onto the next developer when you stop working
with the site. They so rarely make it into the data dictionary or
documentation.

2) Make sure you have thought of additional cases where they might fire
that you had not expected. The case of directly changing data is one of
them. Should you ever edit data directly? In most cases you should not. Is
it ever required?  Yes - sometimes it is required - so that is a case you
should plan for, even if you have an overwhelmingly draconian policy on
the matter you should plan for the case when the next guy is working with
your code.

In fact, as a general rule, your code and your applicaitons will definitely
be seen and altered by other people down stream.  You should count on it and
try to make it easy on them.

-Mark

-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:05 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records


Not at all. I'm saying that you can use an SP to accomplish the same goals
and it also secures your data and ensures the integrity you need.

It is a different approach, but it is a viable and often used approach.

Security is what should prevent data being changed without going through the
stored procedure. That security is set on the database itself. ColdFusion
has nothing to do with this discussion.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:42 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

Then you may as well just say don't even write stored procedures either, do
it all via CFQUERY. Or don't build in any relationships, let CF handle that
as well.
Having a trigger that detects an update and then executes the stored
procedure would cover you against unforseen circumstances where the data
might change without going through the SP.

--
snake


-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 August 2005 15:31
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

You can secure access to the database, limiting all updates, for example, to
that SP.

That should still accomplish the same goal.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

But an SP still has to be triggered by something.  And that is really what
he is saying, because my example cannot be accomplished just by a SP, unless
you implicitly execute that SP every time. Which means your  still relying
on the ColdFusion code to do so.
If someone edits a record directly on the database, then how would that SP
get executed.

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 August 2005 15:07
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

That's not what he's saying.

What he's saying is that an SP can accomplish the same goal.

The difference is that the SP encapsulates the update and 'triggered'
functionality and therefore would receive the updates instead of the table
itself.

Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records

Neil,

You are totally avoiding answering the question.

You have stated that an SP can do everything a 

Re: OT: Announce: Blogs onTap 2.0 Beta Released

2005-08-18 Thread Cedric Villat
Isaac,

The actual download link returns a 404 error.

Cedric

Hi all,

After slightly more than a week of work I've published the first
release of Blogs onTap 2.0 Beta and would be grateful for any feedback
anyone would like to offer. I would like to get some comparison with
the other free blog applications available for CF recently, although I
haven't had time to install any of them yet myself.

More information: http://www.fusiontap.com/docs/index/forum/?netaction
=messages/linearforumthreadid=thr_20050817050021_FBxUvE4ztyZK2QEn

Download: http://www.fusiontap.com/download

Requirements: Latest versions of onTap framework and Members onTap
plugin plus Plugin Manager

Features:

- Multiple multi-user blogs
- WYSIWYG interface for editing
   articles and comments
- Easy skinning (browser-driven
   interface uses XSL transformations
   and framework XHTML tools)
- Internationalized with
   easy translation of articles
- Categories customizable by language/locale
- Search interface
- RSS 2.0 syndication
- Article and comment author images
- Content caching for improved performance
- Browser-driven access rules
   allow fine control of users'
   ability to access each blog
   - read, publish, comment,
   moderate and admin


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RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt (was RE: Ajax and CFCs)

2005-08-18 Thread Jim Davis
 -Original Message-
 From: Keith Gaughan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:37 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt (was RE: Ajax and CFCs)
 
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Jim Davis wrote:
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Keith Gaughan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Not quite true. The data typing in JSON is implicit. Of the types listed
 below it can unambiguously represent object, array, null, string,
 string, boolean, and number. It's all implicit in the syntax. Dynamic
 
  That's true I guess.  But there IS more: JSON also can't represent
  non-numeric keyed arrays (something called JavaScript Hashtables) for
  example.
 
 Ah, but isn't that what an object in JS(ON) essentially is?
 
 {
 I am: a string-keyed,
 array or: a hashtable,
 if:   you will.
 }

Not really.  Sorta/kinda.

JavaScript IS WEIRD - just so we have that straight before we start.
There's definitely a method to its madness, but it IS weird.  ;^)

You can do this:

myOb = new Object();
myOb.myProp = value;

AND 

myAr = new Array();
myAr[myProp] = value;

However, as alike as they look, doing a typeof for both will still return
object and array.

This is a subtlety to be sure - but one which JSON can't distinguish
between.  That last array can't really be done as an array in JSON (the
commonly available JSON parser actually just ignores the values completely).

This is strange, but understandable.  In the second case you're adding
properties to an (array) object - perfectly legal.  But it is strange (it's
also pretty common in use).

  The main problem here is that it's impossible to describe such a
 language an
  XSD (unless you allow any tag - which includes xHTML, made up tags,
 etc -
  in any place).  XSD only allows a tag to contain ordered tags or any
 tags
  (so the former would force us to say that object must appear before
  array which must appear before string and so forth - which makes the
  serialization an order of magnitude more complex).
 
 Hmmm... I heard XSD was a bit odd, but I didn't think it was *that* bad.
 Holy crap! I think I'll stick with DTDs then.

Yeah... I probably should have.  For me I'm damned if I do, damned if I
don't with XD.

XSD also can't validate based on attribute values - which means it can't 
validate much of this at all.

But still... it does work.
 
 I'd like to point out that here the md tag is essentially defining a
 new type, so you could change this to:
 
  I could... but in keeping with the theme, if I did do it would probably
 be a
  dt (data type) tag.  ;^)
 
 Fairy nuff. :-)

I was thinking about this more...

The only real problem I see is that I would have to make the type
attribute accept any value (in the XSD at least) - there could be no
validation on type.

I'm not sure how I feel about that... I guess needing to make it optional to
support the md as it was is just as bad, uh?

I'm (like in so many things) back and forth on it.

  My thinking would be that the type would only apply as a mask to the
  linked elements.  So, if a child tags type was defined it would apply
 it, if
  not it wouldn't.  If it defined an object but no properties then that
  object could have any properties.
 
 You could do that alright. I was just thinking of a situation where you
 might have something like this:
 
 dt name=wotsit
 d type=array
 d type=object fields=id,name,value
 d type=number/
 d type=string/
 !-- The next element could have any type: do we use... --
 d/
 !-- Or... --
 d type=undefined/
 /d
 /dt
 /dt
 
 Where the value might be an object or an array of objects.

I would think either we use just plain d / or put nothing at all.

The latter would indicate that although a value could be there - we've got
no attributes to apply to it.  User's choice.

A clearer example might do this:

dt name=wotsit
d type=array
d type=object fields=id,value,name
d type=number/
!-- The next element could have any type: do we use... --
d/
!-- Or... --
d type=undefined/
d type=string/
/d
/dt
/dt

In this case we really need a place holder of some kind to ensure that the
string type will be applied to correct field.

But I still thing an empty d / is best here - since the underlying idea of
this is that attributes of the new type will replace the corresponding
attributes of the linked thing showing this with no attributes will cause no
substitutions.

A key of this is that the custom types aren't enforcing strict adherence (or
at least I don't think they should).  Any attributes not defined are left to
the user to fill in as they like.

Sound good?

  This is one reason that I'm NOT super comfortable with the type
 concept...
  it seems to imply a full definition when it could only part of one.
 
 Nah, types can be just 

Re: OT: Announce: Blogs onTap 2.0 Beta Released

2005-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 Isaac,

 The actual download link returns a 404 error.

 Cedric

Doh!

Thanks Cedric... I'll fix that as soon as I'm able... you're right,
the public site is showing:

http://www.fusiontap.com/docs/index/forum/projects/blogsontap.zip

(How'd that get there?)

should be

http://www.fusiontap.com/docs/projects/blogsontap.zip

Don't forget to download the latest core + members plugin ... iirc
plugin manager hasn't changed recently...

I'm still having intermittend problems reaching the site too... it
seems to be up and down today.


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Re: OT: Announce: Blogs onTap 2.0 Beta Released

2005-08-18 Thread Yves Arsenault
Cool...

I was interested in checking it out also...

Yves

On 8/18/05, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Isaac,
 
  The actual download link returns a 404 error.
 
  Cedric
 
 Doh!
 
 Thanks Cedric... I'll fix that as soon as I'm able... you're right,
 the public site is showing:
 
 http://www.fusiontap.com/docs/index/forum/projects/blogsontap.zip
 
 (How'd that get there?)
 
 should be
 
 http://www.fusiontap.com/docs/projects/blogsontap.zip
 
 Don't forget to download the latest core + members plugin ... iirc
 plugin manager hasn't changed recently...
 
 I'm still having intermittend problems reaching the site too... it
 seems to be up and down today.
 
 
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Re: Matt Robertson's FedEx Monger

2005-08-18 Thread Matt Robertson
On 8/18/05, Ray Champagne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 Matt, you have any comments?

 Yeah, I basically have been so busy over the last several months that I 
have had zero time to keep up with that tag and the UPS one. You could 
probably update it yourself without too much trouble. It'd be a starting 
point, at least. I may have something on hand that is more advanced than the 
public download. Let me know if you're interested.
 The problem is these guys keep changing their shipping methods. UPS did it 
enough last year that the UPS tag required major revisions. Or at least 
major enough that I only had time to get it about half done before I decided 
I needed to get the bills paid and stuck to work that pays.
 If I were to guess I would say that Fedex is going to be as lot easier to 
update. They tend to be simpler in their methodology but more difficult in 
how they present their 'importable' data.
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RE: OT: Announce: Blogs onTap 2.0 Beta Released

2005-08-18 Thread Jim Davis
 -Original Message-
 From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:31 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: OT: Announce: Blogs onTap 2.0 Beta Released
 
 I'm still having intermittend problems reaching the site too... it
 seems to be up and down today.

Of course it is - you made an announcement!  Once this is fixed it'll work
great, no problems at all, until your NEXT announcement!

Boy Isaac - this reveals a marked lack of understanding here: I thought you
knew computers!

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Re: Matt Robertson's FedEx Monger

2005-08-18 Thread Ray Champagne
OK.  Thanks for the info.  I'll contact you off-list if the client 
decides they want to go this route.

Ray

Matt Robertson wrote:
 On 8/18/05, Ray Champagne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
Matt, you have any comments?
 
 
  Yeah, I basically have been so busy over the last several months that I 
 have had zero time to keep up with that tag and the UPS one. You could 
 probably update it yourself without too much trouble. It'd be a starting 
 point, at least. I may have something on hand that is more advanced than the 
 public download. Let me know if you're interested.
  The problem is these guys keep changing their shipping methods. UPS did it 
 enough last year that the UPS tag required major revisions. Or at least 
 major enough that I only had time to get it about half done before I decided 
 I needed to get the bills paid and stuck to work that pays.
  If I were to guess I would say that Fedex is going to be as lot easier to 
 update. They tend to be simpler in their methodology but more difficult in 
 how they present their 'importable' data.
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 mysecretbase.com http://mysecretbase.com
 
 
 

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Re: CF Licensing on VMs?

2005-08-18 Thread Adam Haskell
Man dude your company sound simular to mine (group structure wise
atleast) but thankfully CF is growing here rather than dieing. We're
actually going to start the long (and potentially stupid ) process of
training other groups to program in CF so they can deploy thier own
apps instead of realying on us (who's real purpose is Store Systems
Intranet Support). But we got all those groups and then some, even
some of the same names.

The developmenty Methodologies group is my most favorite group thier
whole perpose is to come it with better development methodologies then
train on them then come up with better ones after that. :)

Adam H 


On 8/17/05, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  -Original Message-
  From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:10 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: CF Licensing on VMs?
 
  Who reports all of this to The Bobs?
 
 Actually our CEO's name is Bob... but that's not really what you're
 saying, is it.  ;^)
 
 In our case (like most large places I've seen) internal groups are formed to
 manage an area or taskset.  They're internally budgeted as providers with
 other groups being customers - as if the whole company was free market -
 although without the pesky distraction of competition.
 
 Any particular group's goals are thus several-fold:
 
 +) Ensure that nothing useful can be done without your group thus ensuring
 your groups existence and budget.
 
 +) Ensure that what you're group is actually responsible for is so nebulous
 that you can send any requests for new work to other groups while still
 claiming credit for any work that was actually completed regardless of who
 completed it.
 
 +) Ensure that actually getting something done is so painfully difficult for
 the customer that they'll stop bothering you.  This includes designing
 pre-engagement questionnaires and consolidated commitment requests.
 
 +) Ensure that it's clear, when customers do bother you, that getting
 anything done is so painful because other groups are being so damn
 difficult, bureaucratic and insular.
 
 Welcome to the world of a Fortune 50.  ;^)
 
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RE: OT: Announce: Blogs onTap 2.0 Beta Released

2005-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 -Original Message-
 From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:31 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: OT: Announce: Blogs onTap 2.0 Beta Released

 I'm still having intermittend problems reaching the site
 too... it
 seems to be up and down today.

 Of course it is - you made an announcement!  Once this is
 fixed it'll work
 great, no problems at all, until your NEXT announcement!

 Boy Isaac - this reveals a marked lack of understanding
 here: I thought you
 knew computers!

 Jim Davis

Doh! You're right... The Law of Software Announcement Synchronicity
states that the probability of technical failure approaches 1 when any
new release or upgrade is announced. :)



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Stat app recommendation

2005-08-18 Thread Steve Kahn
Need to buy a stat app any recommendations?

Thanks

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cfindex/cfsearch help with dates

2005-08-18 Thread Dave.Phillips
Hi,

I found this quote in the docs for MX 6.1 under 'composing search expressions':

if a document field named DATE is defined, you can search for documents dated 
prior to and including December 31, 1999 by entering DATE = 12-31-99 in your 
search. 

Now, if this is true, theoretically I could return a query with a date I want 
to search by, and when I do my cfindex, I would specify it like this?

cfindex query=query
collection=collection
action=update
type=custom
key=key
title=title
body=body,date
custom1=custom1
custom2=custom2


Then, when I search on this index, i could say search for:  stuff AND DATE = 
01-01-05   This would return only the documents which have a 'date' greater 
than Jan. 1 of this year AND have the word 'stuff' in them.

Now, here's my problem...it seems that Oracle won't allow me to alias a column 
in the table I'm getting the query from as 'DATE'.  So, I tried this with the 
actual date field, call it 'DateField' and did my index like this:

cfindex query=query
collection=collection
action=update
type=custom
key=key
title=title
body=body,DateField
custom1=custom1
custom2=custom2


So, then I tried the query but used DateField = instead of DATE = and it 
still doesn't work.

So now I'm beginning to wonder if there is there a way to query a collection by 
a date field.  If so, what am I doing wrong?

Thanks,

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RE: Stat app recommendation

2005-08-18 Thread Kevin Aebig
What kind of stats?

Kevin

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Re: Stat app recommendation

2005-08-18 Thread Steve Kahn
Standard page views, referer, visitors, etc. 

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Re: Stat app recommendation

2005-08-18 Thread Ray Champagne
What's your budget like?  We use Urchin here and love it, but it isn't 
cheap.  We've used WebTrends in the past with success, too.



Steve Kahn wrote:
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RE: Stat app recommendation

2005-08-18 Thread Kevin Aebig
Urchin is pretty solid. We've used a few others like DeepMetrix, but I
prefer server solutions instead of integrating custom JS scripts...

Cheers,

Kevin

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What's your budget like?  We use Urchin here and love it, but it isn't 
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OT: TCPView

2005-08-18 Thread Phill B
Any one use this before? I have some questions about what I'm seeing
when I use it.
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RE: Stat app recommendation

2005-08-18 Thread Joshua Cyr
If you need fun realtime info try visitorville.  www.visitorville.com 

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RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread Jim Davis
Here are the names we've come up with so far (with my personal comments):

DPXL: (Depressed Press Transfer Language) - the professional side of me is
leaning here.  It puts my company right in the name!  But how smart is it to
put a trademark in the name of something you're open-sourcing?

DEML: [dimmel] Data Expression (or exchange) ML - I like the fact that it
can pronounced... for some reason I think that's important.

XDL: XML Data Language is taken.  eXpression Definition Language

XDF: XML Data Format is taken.  eXtensible Data Format which describes
scientific data.

XIL: XML Information Language - Pronounceable - I like that!  But
pronounced it's zill - that just sounds slurred.  It's also taken by the
XML Import Language (which is kinda neat actually).

XIF: XML Information Format - Pronounceable as well - and it sounds better
said that zill.  Nice and peppy: Ziff!  Of course the main problem is
that is ALSO taken!  XML Interchange Format (made by MS).

XIEF: XML Information Exchange Format - I like the sound (Zife!)... but
it's harder to say as letters (ex eye ee eff).  Not a big deal but I'm
picky.

Rosetta: Doesn't stand for nothing.  I still kinda like this.  Easy to
remember, indicative and organic.  However not very original: they're
probably 100 other things called Rosetta.

I'm really leaning towards a non-abbreviated word... something that means
move or transfer but maybe even with a sense of irony or humor.
Wormhole perhaps?DataSphincter? 

Or perhaps a fun abbreviation? STAPOD (Specification That Allows Passing
Of Data)?  MOPD (Method of Passing Data)? NARDS (No Assembly Required
Data Specification)?  (This has the benefit that, if it takes off, I may
someday hear somebody say Were you able to parse my NARDS?)

Damn... I should spend as much time code as I do on picking what to call
things...

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Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread Charlie Griefer
MILF

Multiple Information Language Format

yeah, means nothing and has little to nothing to do with your WDDX
replacement...but would get recognition because of the acronym, I
reckon :)

DataSphincter's gonna be hard to beat tho.

On 8/18/05, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Here are the names we've come up with so far (with my personal comments):
 
 DPXL: (Depressed Press Transfer Language) - the professional side of me is
 leaning here.  It puts my company right in the name!  But how smart is it to
 put a trademark in the name of something you're open-sourcing?
 
 DEML: [dimmel] Data Expression (or exchange) ML - I like the fact that it
 can pronounced... for some reason I think that's important.
 
 XDL: XML Data Language is taken.  eXpression Definition Language
 
 XDF: XML Data Format is taken.  eXtensible Data Format which describes
 scientific data.
 
 XIL: XML Information Language - Pronounceable - I like that!  But
 pronounced it's zill - that just sounds slurred.  It's also taken by the
 XML Import Language (which is kinda neat actually).
 
 XIF: XML Information Format - Pronounceable as well - and it sounds better
 said that zill.  Nice and peppy: Ziff!  Of course the main problem is
 that is ALSO taken!  XML Interchange Format (made by MS).
 
 XIEF: XML Information Exchange Format - I like the sound (Zife!)... but
 it's harder to say as letters (ex eye ee eff).  Not a big deal but I'm
 picky.
 
 Rosetta: Doesn't stand for nothing.  I still kinda like this.  Easy to
 remember, indicative and organic.  However not very original: they're
 probably 100 other things called Rosetta.
 
 I'm really leaning towards a non-abbreviated word... something that means
 move or transfer but maybe even with a sense of irony or humor.
 Wormhole perhaps?DataSphincter?
 
 Or perhaps a fun abbreviation? STAPOD (Specification That Allows Passing
 Of Data)?  MOPD (Method of Passing Data)? NARDS (No Assembly Required
 Data Specification)?  (This has the benefit that, if it takes off, I may
 someday hear somebody say Were you able to parse my NARDS?)
 
 Damn... I should spend as much time code as I do on picking what to call
 things...
 
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Re: Stat app recommendation

2005-08-18 Thread Adrocknaphobia
WebTrends Live

-Adam

On 8/18/05, Joshua Cyr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you need fun realtime info try visitorville.  www.visitorville.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:56 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Stat app recommendation
 
 What's your budget like?  We use Urchin here and love it, but it isn't
 cheap.  We've used WebTrends in the past with success, too.
 
 
 
 Steve Kahn wrote:
  Standard page views, referer, visitors, etc.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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RE: Stat app recommendation

2005-08-18 Thread Jim Davis
Smarter Tools SmarterStats is pretty good - and is free for one address
(or at least it was).

My only real complaints (which may have been addressed in the most recent
version) is that its browser typing is weak (it still lumps FireFox into
mozilla along with a dozen others) and there's no capability to export
reports to formats other than HTML.

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RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread Kevin Aebig
If you want to be really cool: 
XDX - XML Data X-change or for the English majors, XDE - XML Data Exchange 
XTL - XML Transfer Language

My personal favorite... 
XXL - XML Xchange Language

Cheers,

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: August 18, 2005 2:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

Here are the names we've come up with so far (with my personal comments):

DPXL: (Depressed Press Transfer Language) - the professional side of me is
leaning here.  It puts my company right in the name!  But how smart is it to
put a trademark in the name of something you're open-sourcing?

DEML: [dimmel] Data Expression (or exchange) ML - I like the fact that it
can pronounced... for some reason I think that's important.

XDL: XML Data Language is taken.  eXpression Definition Language

XDF: XML Data Format is taken.  eXtensible Data Format which describes
scientific data.

XIL: XML Information Language - Pronounceable - I like that!  But
pronounced it's zill - that just sounds slurred.  It's also taken by the
XML Import Language (which is kinda neat actually).

XIF: XML Information Format - Pronounceable as well - and it sounds better
said that zill.  Nice and peppy: Ziff!  Of course the main problem is
that is ALSO taken!  XML Interchange Format (made by MS).

XIEF: XML Information Exchange Format - I like the sound (Zife!)... but
it's harder to say as letters (ex eye ee eff).  Not a big deal but I'm
picky.

Rosetta: Doesn't stand for nothing.  I still kinda like this.  Easy to
remember, indicative and organic.  However not very original: they're
probably 100 other things called Rosetta.

I'm really leaning towards a non-abbreviated word... something that means
move or transfer but maybe even with a sense of irony or humor.
Wormhole perhaps?DataSphincter? 

Or perhaps a fun abbreviation? STAPOD (Specification That Allows Passing
Of Data)?  MOPD (Method of Passing Data)? NARDS (No Assembly Required
Data Specification)?  (This has the benefit that, if it takes off, I may
someday hear somebody say Were you able to parse my NARDS?)

Damn... I should spend as much time code as I do on picking what to call
things...

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RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread Phillip Beazley
At 04:21 PM 8/18/2005, you wrote:

My personal favorite...
XXL - XML Xchange Language

Or for really big packets, XXXL - XML Xfer and Xchange Language.


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Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread Adrocknaphobia
I like Adamic... but not because it invloves my name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamic_language

Although, I'm not crazy about the religous background.

-Adam

On 8/18/05, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Here are the names we've come up with so far (with my personal comments):
 
 DPXL: (Depressed Press Transfer Language) - the professional side of me is
 leaning here.  It puts my company right in the name!  But how smart is it to
 put a trademark in the name of something you're open-sourcing?
 
 DEML: [dimmel] Data Expression (or exchange) ML - I like the fact that it
 can pronounced... for some reason I think that's important.
 
 XDL: XML Data Language is taken.  eXpression Definition Language
 
 XDF: XML Data Format is taken.  eXtensible Data Format which describes
 scientific data.
 
 XIL: XML Information Language - Pronounceable - I like that!  But
 pronounced it's zill - that just sounds slurred.  It's also taken by the
 XML Import Language (which is kinda neat actually).
 
 XIF: XML Information Format - Pronounceable as well - and it sounds better
 said that zill.  Nice and peppy: Ziff!  Of course the main problem is
 that is ALSO taken!  XML Interchange Format (made by MS).
 
 XIEF: XML Information Exchange Format - I like the sound (Zife!)... but
 it's harder to say as letters (ex eye ee eff).  Not a big deal but I'm
 picky.
 
 Rosetta: Doesn't stand for nothing.  I still kinda like this.  Easy to
 remember, indicative and organic.  However not very original: they're
 probably 100 other things called Rosetta.
 
 I'm really leaning towards a non-abbreviated word... something that means
 move or transfer but maybe even with a sense of irony or humor.
 Wormhole perhaps?DataSphincter?
 
 Or perhaps a fun abbreviation? STAPOD (Specification That Allows Passing
 Of Data)?  MOPD (Method of Passing Data)? NARDS (No Assembly Required
 Data Specification)?  (This has the benefit that, if it takes off, I may
 someday hear somebody say Were you able to parse my NARDS?)
 
 Damn... I should spend as much time code as I do on picking what to call
 things...
 
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Re: Stat app recommendation

2005-08-18 Thread Ken Ferguson
I'll second this one. I'm running SmarterMail and SmarterStats and while 
the versions I'm running aren't free, I love both apps. I do have the 
latest versions of both.

www.smartertools.com

--Ferg


Jim Davis wrote:

Smarter Tools SmarterStats is pretty good - and is free for one address
(or at least it was).

My only real complaints (which may have been addressed in the most recent
version) is that its browser typing is weak (it still lumps FireFox into
mozilla along with a dozen others) and there's no capability to export
reports to formats other than HTML.

But it's pretty damn good for all that.  And definitely the right price.

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RE: Stat app recommendation

2005-08-18 Thread Russ Michaels
We also use smarterstats, and it meets most clients requirements. We even
give a 50 domain copy of it away with all dedicated servers.

Russ 

-Original Message-
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Sent: 18 August 2005 21:33
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Stat app recommendation

I'll second this one. I'm running SmarterMail and SmarterStats and while the
versions I'm running aren't free, I love both apps. I do have the latest
versions of both.

www.smartertools.com

--Ferg


Jim Davis wrote:

Smarter Tools SmarterStats is pretty good - and is free for one 
address (or at least it was).

My only real complaints (which may have been addressed in the most 
recent
version) is that its browser typing is weak (it still lumps FireFox 
into mozilla along with a dozen others) and there's no capability to 
export reports to formats other than HTML.

But it's pretty damn good for all that.  And definitely the right price.

Jim Davis









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RE: Stat app recommendation

2005-08-18 Thread Mark A Kruger
Ditto on that even the 50 site license version isn't to pricey (300$ I
think).

-Mark


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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Stat app recommendation


I'll second this one. I'm running SmarterMail and SmarterStats and while
the versions I'm running aren't free, I love both apps. I do have the
latest versions of both.

www.smartertools.com

--Ferg


Jim Davis wrote:

Smarter Tools SmarterStats is pretty good - and is free for one address
(or at least it was).

My only real complaints (which may have been addressed in the most recent
version) is that its browser typing is weak (it still lumps FireFox into
mozilla along with a dozen others) and there's no capability to export
reports to formats other than HTML.

But it's pretty damn good for all that.  And definitely the right price.

Jim Davis









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Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread Keith Gaughan
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Jim Davis wrote:

 DPXL: (Depressed Press Transfer Language) - the professional side of me is
 leaning here.  It puts my company right in the name!  But how smart is it to
 put a trademark in the name of something you're open-sourcing?

Well, seeing as I came up with it first, how about OXL or ODXL? They
don't seem to be taken.

OXL  = Open Transfer Language.
ODXL = Open Data Transfer/Exchange Language.

Both suitably corporate and FOSS friendly.

 I'm really leaning towards a non-abbreviated word... something that means
 move or transfer but maybe even with a sense of irony or humor.
 Wormhole perhaps?DataSphincter? 
 
 Or perhaps a fun abbreviation? STAPOD (Specification That Allows Passing
 Of Data)?  MOPD (Method of Passing Data)? NARDS (No Assembly Required
 Data Specification)?  (This has the benefit that, if it takes off, I may
 someday hear somebody say Were you able to parse my NARDS?)

How about ZAPHOD: Data Transfer Language With No Real Acronym?

K.
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RE: Stat app recommendation

2005-08-18 Thread Dawson, Michael
This is an excellent product for only $80.

http://www.weblogexpert.com/

We had WebTrends, but they changed their license scheme from
server-based, to the number of hits they capture.

This would cost us around $3,500 each year to keep WebTrends.  You have
to buy a license pack in amounts of 5,000,000 hits or more.

WT also sucked up one of our best servers just to keep it runnnig
reasonably fast.

We dropped WT like a rock.

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UDF local variables?

2005-08-18 Thread Damien McKenna
Is there an easy way to access all of the local variables in a UDF, e.g.
this or something?
 
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RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 At 04:21 PM 8/18/2005, you wrote:

My personal favorite...
XXL - XML Xchange Language

 Or for really big packets, XXXL - XML Xfer and Xchange
 Language.

And pohibited in many states of course... :)

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RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 I'm really leaning towards a non-abbreviated word...
 something that means
 move or transfer but maybe even with a sense of irony
 or humor.
 Wormhole perhaps?DataSphincter?

Courier ... or possibly X-Courier...

DataWinch

DataSieve

Windlass

Puny X-Press

PieHole :)




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Re: UDF local variables?

2005-08-18 Thread Barney Boisvert
Nope, those variables don't exist in any kind of container.  At least
not a CFML-exposed one.  And be aware that arguments are DUPLICATED
into the local variables scope, and still exist in the 'arguments'
scope, as separate variables.

cheers,
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Re: UDF local variables?

2005-08-18 Thread Raymond Camden
No. However, if you need to introspect local variables, simply use a scope:

cfscript
function doTheCasBah() {
  var local = structNew();
  local.x = 1;
  local.y = 2;

At this point, if you wanted to know all local variables, you could
simply structKeyList local. You just need to be anal about ensuring
you always use the local structure for your variables. Don't forget
that some tags out there will write out their own variables, like
cfquery, cfhttp, etc. Luckily, CFMX7 allows you to specify a variable
name for their results.


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Re: cfindex/cfsearch help with dates

2005-08-18 Thread Raymond Camden
I'm not sure why it isn't working, but you could use QueryOfQuery to
rename the column back to Date.

On 8/18/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I found this quote in the docs for MX 6.1 under 'composing search 
 expressions':
 
 if a document field named DATE is defined, you can search for documents 
 dated prior to and including December 31, 1999 by entering DATE = 12-31-99 
 in your search.
 
 Now, if this is true, theoretically I could return a query with a date I want 
 to search by, and when I do my cfindex, I would specify it like this?
 
 cfindex query=query
 collection=collection
 action=update
 type=custom
 key=key
 title=title
 body=body,date
 custom1=custom1
 custom2=custom2
 
 
 Then, when I search on this index, i could say search for:  stuff AND DATE 
 = 01-01-05   This would return only the documents which have a 'date' 
 greater than Jan. 1 of this year AND have the word 'stuff' in them.
 
 Now, here's my problem...it seems that Oracle won't allow me to alias a 
 column in the table I'm getting the query from as 'DATE'.  So, I tried this 
 with the actual date field, call it 'DateField' and did my index like this:
 
 cfindex query=query
 collection=collection
 action=update
 type=custom
 key=key
 title=title
 body=body,DateField
 custom1=custom1
 custom2=custom2
 
 
 So, then I tried the query but used DateField = instead of DATE = and it 
 still doesn't work.
 
 So now I'm beginning to wonder if there is there a way to query a collection 
 by a date field.  If so, what am I doing wrong?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Dave
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Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread Paul Hastings
S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
My personal favorite...
XXL - XML Xchange Language

why not just fred or barney?

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Re: UDF local variables?

2005-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 Is there an easy way to access all of the local variables
 in a UDF, e.g.
 this or something?

Only one way I know:

function x() {
var local = structnew();
local.x = 0;
local.y = 1;
}



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RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread Phillip Beazley
At 05:00 PM 8/18/2005, you wrote:

Courier ... or possibly X-Courier...

DataWinch

DataSieve

Windlass

Puny X-Press

PieHole :)

LOL!

DataBitch

PacketWagon

XMule

XHNA (XHNA Has No Acronym)


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Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
My personal favorite...
XXL - XML Xchange Language

 why not just fred or barney?

I like Bob for anything that can't be named... or possibly Edgar.



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Re: cfindex/cfsearch help with dates

2005-08-18 Thread Raymond Camden
After rereading your post, I believe the doc is referring to the
indexing of files, like Word docs, that have a date property. I don't
believe you can do this with custom indexes.

On 8/18/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I found this quote in the docs for MX 6.1 under 'composing search 
 expressions':
 
 if a document field named DATE is defined, you can search for documents 
 dated prior to and including December 31, 1999 by entering DATE = 12-31-99 
 in your search.
 
 Now, if this is true, theoretically I could return a query with a date I want 
 to search by, and when I do my cfindex, I would specify it like this?
 
 cfindex query=query
 collection=collection
 action=update
 type=custom
 key=key
 title=title
 body=body,date
 custom1=custom1
 custom2=custom2
 
 
 Then, when I search on this index, i could say search for:  stuff AND DATE 
 = 01-01-05   This would return only the documents which have a 'date' 
 greater than Jan. 1 of this year AND have the word 'stuff' in them.
 
 Now, here's my problem...it seems that Oracle won't allow me to alias a 
 column in the table I'm getting the query from as 'DATE'.  So, I tried this 
 with the actual date field, call it 'DateField' and did my index like this:
 
 cfindex query=query
 collection=collection
 action=update
 type=custom
 key=key
 title=title
 body=body,DateField
 custom1=custom1
 custom2=custom2
 
 
 So, then I tried the query but used DateField = instead of DATE = and it 
 still doesn't work.
 
 So now I'm beginning to wonder if there is there a way to query a collection 
 by a date field.  If so, what am I doing wrong?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Dave
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RE: cfindex/cfsearch help with dates

2005-08-18 Thread Dave.Phillips
I was wondering that.  It's a bit unclear, but that sort of makes sense.  
However, it's too bad it can't be done with a custom index.  I know I could put 
a date in the custom1 or custom2 field, but I'm trying to avoid having a QofQ 
on the client side, just for performance sake.  I was trying to figure out if 
there is a way to do it with the criteria options in the cfsearch tag, but so 
far, no luck.  At this stage, I will probably build a QofQ to do it unless 
someone else comes up with something.

Thanks Ray,

Dave

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Subject: Re: cfindex/cfsearch help with dates


After rereading your post, I believe the doc is referring to the
indexing of files, like Word docs, that have a date property. I don't
believe you can do this with custom indexes.

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Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread Charlie Griefer
General Open Architecture Transport Specific Engine


On 8/18/05, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
 My personal favorite...
 XXL - XML Xchange Language
 
  why not just fred or barney?
 
 I like Bob for anything that can't be named... or possibly Edgar.
 
 
 
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Re: determining darkness/lightness of hex colors

2005-08-18 Thread Charles Polisher
Here's a formula that gives the approx. brightness
for an RGB value: Y=0.299R+0.587G+0.114B



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Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread Barney Boisvert
Because barney is already taken.  ;)

On 8/18/05, Paul Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
 My personal favorite...
 XXL - XML Xchange Language
 
 why not just fred or barney?
 

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RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread Calvin Ward
Then I vote for 

PDXF (Purple Dinosaur eXchange Format)... 

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Subject: Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

Because barney is already taken.  ;)

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 S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
 My personal favorite...
 XXL - XML Xchange Language
 
 why not just fred or barney?
 

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Re: cfindex/cfsearch help with dates

2005-08-18 Thread Raymond Camden
Another option you may want to consider. If your date searching can be
a bit loose, you can use categories, with names like May2005,
April2005, etc. This would allow you to match eocuments wihin a month.
Or even CategoryTree=2005,Category=2004. You couldn't do everything
_before_ a day, but, it's an option.

Also - I'd reconsider your QofQ. We use it for a large site and it
works very quickly. We do an initial CFSEARCH and then 20 QofQs to
filter out various parts of the results.

On 8/18/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was wondering that.  It's a bit unclear, but that sort of makes sense.  
 However, it's too bad it can't be done with a custom index.  I know I could 
 put a date in the custom1 or custom2 field, but I'm trying to avoid having a 
 QofQ on the client side, just for performance sake.  I was trying to figure 
 out if there is a way to do it with the criteria options in the cfsearch tag, 
 but so far, no luck.  At this stage, I will probably build a QofQ to do it 
 unless someone else comes up with something.
 
 Thanks Ray,
 
 Dave
 
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 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:14 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: cfindex/cfsearch help with dates
 
 
 After rereading your post, I believe the doc is referring to the
 indexing of files, like Word docs, that have a date property. I don't
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Re: determining darkness/lightness of hex colors

2005-08-18 Thread Anthony Prato
do you know the other formula's for working with colors? for whatever
reason I haven't had the best luck in the past with google.

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RE: cfindex/cfsearch help with dates

2005-08-18 Thread Dave.Phillips
Well, that sounds good on the QofQ...I know it's faster than re-querying the 
database, but sounds pretty quick based on what you said.  I'm going to have to 
use it anyway, I don't have much of an option.  In this case, I need to search 
for documents (and query results) modified within the last 7 days, so I'll just 
use the QofQ to make it work.

Thanks!

Dave

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Subject: Re: cfindex/cfsearch help with dates


Another option you may want to consider. If your date searching can be
a bit loose, you can use categories, with names like May2005,
April2005, etc. This would allow you to match eocuments wihin a month.
Or even CategoryTree=2005,Category=2004. You couldn't do everything
_before_ a day, but, it's an option.

Also - I'd reconsider your QofQ. We use it for a large site and it
works very quickly. We do an initial CFSEARCH and then 20 QofQs to
filter out various parts of the results.
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Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread Paul Hastings
Calvin Ward wrote:
 Then I vote for 
 
 PDXF (Purple Dinosaur eXchange Format)... 

i was actually thinking about the flintstones.

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RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread Russ Michaels
Wot about

SHOVEIT
STUFFIT
PIGLET
Fat-Packet
Data-WAD
JAFA (Just Another Frickin Acronym)
LOTD (Lots Of Transmogrified Data)


Or something more serious
XDE  (XML Data Exchange)


-Original Message-
From: Keith Gaughan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 August 2005 21:49
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

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Jim Davis wrote:

 DPXL: (Depressed Press Transfer Language) - the professional side of 
 me is leaning here.  It puts my company right in the name!  But how 
 smart is it to put a trademark in the name of something you're
open-sourcing?

Well, seeing as I came up with it first, how about OXL or ODXL? They don't
seem to be taken.

OXL  = Open Transfer Language.
ODXL = Open Data Transfer/Exchange Language.

Both suitably corporate and FOSS friendly.

 I'm really leaning towards a non-abbreviated word... something that 
 means move or transfer but maybe even with a sense of irony or humor.
 Wormhole perhaps?DataSphincter? 
 
 Or perhaps a fun abbreviation? STAPOD (Specification That Allows 
 Passing Of Data)?  MOPD (Method of Passing Data)? NARDS (No 
 Assembly Required Data Specification)?  (This has the benefit that, if 
 it takes off, I may someday hear somebody say Were you able to parse 
 my NARDS?)

How about ZAPHOD: Data Transfer Language With No Real Acronym?

K.
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Re: cfindex/cfsearch help with dates

2005-08-18 Thread Raymond Camden
How often do you index your data? If you do it daily, you could easily
use a category called Last7Days, then filter on that category.

On 8/18/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, that sounds good on the QofQ...I know it's faster than re-querying the 
 database, but sounds pretty quick based on what you said.  I'm going to have 
 to use it anyway, I don't have much of an option.  In this case, I need to 
 search for documents (and query results) modified within the last 7 days, so 
 I'll just use the QofQ to make it work.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Dave
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:35 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: cfindex/cfsearch help with dates
 
 
 Another option you may want to consider. If your date searching can be
 a bit loose, you can use categories, with names like May2005,
 April2005, etc. This would allow you to match eocuments wihin a month.
 Or even CategoryTree=2005,Category=2004. You couldn't do everything
 _before_ a day, but, it's an option.
 
 Also - I'd reconsider your QofQ. We use it for a large site and it
 works very quickly. We do an initial CFSEARCH and then 20 QofQs to
 filter out various parts of the results.
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Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread Rey Bango
Ruthless. You sir have hit a new low. LOL.

Rey...

Charlie Griefer wrote:
 General Open Architecture Transport Specific Engine
 
 
 On 8/18/05, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
S. Isaac Dealey wrote:

My personal favorite...
XXL - XML Xchange Language

why not just fred or barney?

I like Bob for anything that can't be named... or possibly Edgar.



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RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread Jim Davis
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 From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:27 PM
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 Subject: Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?
 
 I like Adamic... but not because it invloves my name.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamic_language
 
 Although, I'm not crazy about the religous background.

Ohhh - I really like this one.

But it is a bit touchy on the God side of things.  ;^)

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Re: determining darkness/lightness of hex colors

2005-08-18 Thread Charles Polisher
Anthony Prato wrote:
 do you know the other formula's for working with colors? for whatever
 reason I haven't had the best luck in the past with google.

Here's a good source for that:
http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/scientific/ZOI_dept/Suk/colors.html


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RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread Jim Davis
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 From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:22 PM
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 Subject: RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?
 
 If you want to be really cool:
 XDX - XML Data X-change or for the English majors, XDE - XML Data Exchange
 XTL - XML Transfer Language
 
 My personal favorite...
 XXL - XML Xchange Language

Or maybe XXS (pronounced, of course, Excess) for XML eXchange
Specification.

Or - hell - INXS: Independent Network eXchange Specification.

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RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread Jim Davis
 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Hastings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:20 PM
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 Subject: Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?
 
 S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
 My personal favorite...
 XXL - XML Xchange Language
 
 why not just fred or barney?

Actually - how about Dagwood?  After those big sandwiches that take a
little bit of everything under the sun and make them, all together, a
sandwich?

I kinda like that...

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Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 General Open Architecture Transport Specific Engine

Yeah, I don't think Jim's really going for the lose your lunch
effect. :)


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Re: OT: Announce: Blogs onTap 2.0 Beta Released

2005-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 Isaac,

 The actual download link returns a 404 error.

 Cedric

Okay, this is fixed and the server seems to be better now...

http://www.fusiontap.com/download

Apparently there was another small bug in the framework's link/url
management system, specifically related to the upgrade from CF6 to CF7
(moving to Application.cfc architecture). I've been fixing a few other
similar bugs related to this transition recently, since the public
site was just put on the CF7 server recently and I noticed a couple
issues that only occurred in production mode because they were related
to the way caching is handled for some low-level features like path,
url and process aliases -- which is slightly different with
Application.cfc than it was with Application.cfm.

Recent issues with the server seeming to be pegged at times have also
forced me to make some improvements to the way the function libraries
are loaded... At certain times of the day a request that normally
executes in under 1 second (after starting the app) would time-out
while still executing the cf code and since the server has a max of 60
seconds, I can't increase it beyond that in my code. Seems kind of odd
actually, that I would need to revise the code for this, but it's good
to know the latest versions can handle it more gracefully. Previously
if it timed-out while in the midst of loading the default library set,
it wouldn't try to load them again on the next request, so some
functions needed for a given page (or in some cases any page) would be
missing and cause more errors until I restarted the app. The new
version sets a variable after the default libraries are loaded so that
it ensures all libraries are completely loaded before executing any
additional code for the request. (I had never antiscipated before that
a request could actually take long enough if the server was stressed
to time out while loading the default libraries.)


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RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

2005-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Hastings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:20 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?

 S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
 My personal favorite...
 XXL - XML Xchange Language

 why not just fred or barney?

 Actually - how about Dagwood?  After those big
 sandwiches that take a
 little bit of everything under the sun and make them, all
 together, a
 sandwich?

 I kinda like that...

Hobo Stew :)

Though I thought those sandwiches were called Hoagies.


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Transfer file without date change

2005-08-18 Thread Richard Colman
When a file is transferred from one machine to the other, using a CFFTP
takefile operation, it looks like the newly created file is datestamped
anew. 

Anyone know whether it is possible to transfer a file from a remote server,
via cfftp, WITHOUT changing the file date and time. In other words, I need
to go a takefile but keep the original datelastmodified.

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CFDUMP for PHP

2005-08-18 Thread Andrew Hewitt
This may be a little OT but for those of you who also code in php and
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webservice calling local CFC (one works one doesn't)

2005-08-18 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Hey All,

OK...I know there is a known bug in CF MX 6.1 about webservices not being able 
to see CF mappingsbut this is happening on CFMX 7 and seems a tad different:

I have a simple test webservice that creates a query and then calls a local CFC 
to convert that query to XML.

here's the code that doesn't work:

cfcomponent displayname=test output=false

  cffunction name=getStuff access=remote returntype=string 
output=false  

cfset MyQuery = QueryNew(col1,col2)
!--- add a row to the query ---
cfset SomeRows = QueryAddRow(MyQuery,1)
cfset temp = QuerySetCell(MyQuery,col1,foo,1)
cfset temp = QuerySetCell(MyQuery,col2,bar,1)

cfreturn toString(appcfcs.data_manip.queryToXML(MyQuery,Table,Rows))
  
  /cffunction

/cfcomponent

The above code explained:
appcfcs is a CF mapping pointing to D:\wwwroot\cfc
data_manip is the local CFC that is being called and I'm calling the querytoXML 
method

The clipped error I'm getting is:
Element DATA_MANIP is undefined in a Java object of type class 
[Ljava.lang.String;

So it looks like CF is thinking data_manip is a method when it's actually the 
CFC??

here's code that DOES WORK (note I use cfinvoke instead):

cfcomponent displayname=test output=false

  cffunction name=getStuff access=remote returntype=string 
output=false  

cfset MyQuery = QueryNew(col1,col2)
!--- add a row to the query ---
cfset SomeRows = QueryAddRow(MyQuery,1)
cfset temp = QuerySetCell(MyQuery,col1,foo,1)
cfset temp = QuerySetCell(MyQuery,col2,bar,1)

cfinvoke component=appcfcs.data_manip method=queryToXML 
returnvariable=ResultXML 
  cfinvokeargument name=queryObj value=#MyQuery#
  cfinvokeargument name=arg1 value=Tables
  cfinvokeargument name=arg2 value=Rows
/cfinvoke

cfreturn toString(ResultXML)
  
  /cffunction

/cfcomponent

So using cfinoke abviously clears things upbut I'd prefer the shorter form 
in the first code example for calling the local CFC

I think my brain is melting and I'm just missing something stupidanybody?? 
;-)

TIA

Cheers


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RE: determining darkness/lightness of hex colors

2005-08-18 Thread Matthew Walker
Try this: http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=322 

You can then consider the L portion of the result. If it's 128 or
greater, use dark; if 127 or less, use light. 


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Subject: SOT: determining darkness/lightness of hex colors

Hey gang,

I've done some Googling on this but haven't found anything helpful.

I'm looking for a way to determine, for lack of better terms, the 
darkness/lightness of a particular hex color, so as to determine whether

to use light or dark text above it so that the text doesn't get lost in 
the color beneath.

Any nudges in the right direction (custom tag, algorithm, etc.) would 
simply rock.

Thanks much -
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CF7 - stealth CGI environment variables

2005-08-18 Thread Figy, Kam
Sometimes CFDUMP doesn't show everything.

On Apache 2.0.52/win, you can output #cgi.systemroot# and get C:\WINDOWS
(or whatever the system environment var is)
On IIS 5.1 and 6.0, the variable is defined, but is an empty string

In no case did the system environment variables show up on a cfdump of
the cgi scope. Curious. I couldn't find anything in the docs about this.

I assume it's related to what the web server passes to CF, or else what
the CF connectors pass on to the server. It just seems odd that cfdump
wouldn't dump things that are defined.

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Re: CF7 - stealth CGI environment variables

2005-08-18 Thread Barney Boisvert
CGI variables are kind of quirky.  Some are available all the time,
but the rest are only defined when they're asked for.  When you ask
for a CGI variable, CF will return it if it knows the answer,
otherwise it will pass the request off to the web server, and return
whatever it says.  Did you try dumping CGI after you'd manually
referenced #cgi.systemroot#?

This can be the source of a lot of errors in the logs, because CF
keeps processing a request until it finished or times out, but web
servers are smart enough to kill of the request if the browser stops
waiting for it.  So if CF requests a CGI from the web server on a
request that has been aborted, an error is logged, and CF proceeds
with the empty string for the value.

cheers,
barneyb

On 8/18/05, Figy, Kam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sometimes CFDUMP doesn't show everything.
 
 On Apache 2.0.52/win, you can output #cgi.systemroot# and get C:\WINDOWS
 (or whatever the system environment var is)
 On IIS 5.1 and 6.0, the variable is defined, but is an empty string
 
 In no case did the system environment variables show up on a cfdump of
 the cgi scope. Curious. I couldn't find anything in the docs about this.
 
 I assume it's related to what the web server passes to CF, or else what
 the CF connectors pass on to the server. It just seems odd that cfdump
 wouldn't dump things that are defined.
 
 /k
 

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Re: CF Licensing on VMs?

2005-08-18 Thread Robert Munn
I don't know how many people are running CF on 32-way systems, but the software 
vendor's dilemma is that a customer COULD tell the VM to run the product (in 
this case CF) on all 32 CPUs, then change the VM to run on only two CPUs when 
the software audit people come to town to check up on their systems. 

Of course, with VMWare, said customer could just as easily migrate the entire 
VM image to a 2 processor server when the audit people come to town, so I don't 
see what actual effect this licensing retriction will have other than to cause 
problems for people trying to properly license their systems. 

I have a feeling we may see a lot more licensing issues like this one generally 
in the software industry as more people run on VMs instead of individual 
physical machines. How does Oracle address CPU licensing on VMs? 

I have to say I am getting fed up myself with all the problems I've had with 
VMs in the last year.



You may be able to limit the physical processors used by your VMs by setting
processor affinity appropriately; this may reduce your licensing
requirements. I believe that this is the case for SQL Server licensing - you
only have to purchase per-processor licenses for the processors actually
running SQL Server.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: Stat app recommendation

2005-08-18 Thread Russ
Awstats is always worth a look... http://awstats.sourceforge.net/  Can't
beat free... 



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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Stat app recommendation

This is an excellent product for only $80.

http://www.weblogexpert.com/

We had WebTrends, but they changed their license scheme from
server-based, to the number of hits they capture.

This would cost us around $3,500 each year to keep WebTrends.  You have
to buy a license pack in amounts of 5,000,000 hits or more.

WT also sucked up one of our best servers just to keep it runnnig
reasonably fast.

We dropped WT like a rock.

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Re: Dir Mapping Question

2005-08-18 Thread Scott Stroz
Try this:

CFMODULE template=/fckeditor/fckeditor.cfm instanceName=newEntry 
width=95%
height=350 toolbarSetName=myWidget canUpload= canBrowse=
value=#entryVar# BasePath=/fckeditor/ tabindex=3

On 8/18/05, Mark Leder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I want to be able to use FCKeditor in different apps on one server (win
 2003/IIS 6). I placed fck in a folder on the server in the following path:
 c:\inetpub\wwwroot\fckeditor\. Then I created a mapping in CF Admin 7
 called /fckeditor pointing to the dir location. Finally I created an
 virtual directory inside one of my websites called fckeditor pointing to
 that same absolute path.
 
 Trouble is, my app can't find the editor by using this syntax:
 
 CFMODULE template=fckeditor.cfm instanceName=newEntry width=95%
 height=350 toolbarSetName=myWidget canUpload= canBrowse=
 value=#entryVar# BasePath=/fckeditor/ tabindex=3
 
 What am I doing wrong? Do I need all these mappings?
 
 Thanks for your help,
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Re: OT: Announce: Blogs onTap 2.0 Beta Released

2005-08-18 Thread James Holmes
To install this latest release of the framework, can I just extract
over the old one or should I delete everything there first?

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cfchart issues... (sub domain)

2005-08-18 Thread Tony Weeg
hi there.

still battling the sub domain and the cfchart, where it just doesnt show the
swf.  if you right click in the area where you should be able to see
the chart...
you see the normal right click context menu of any flash swf.  however its 
the chart is just not there. if i sniff the http headers, i see an object 
not found error.  

some of you suggested that i have a virtual directory
under the subdomain, that is the /cfide directory under the 
server root (i tried all the CFIDE directories for that matter)
and that didnt help.  any other ideas?

http://reports.navtrak.net/test_reportLogGraph.cfm is the url.

you can click on the top report, and you will see what i mean.

IF i put this same file under www.navtrak.net, its all good.

HELP :) if you can... thank you.

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cfchart question (for when i can get it to work )

2005-08-18 Thread Tony Weeg
i see on the cfchart that the bar graph Bars are clickable
but i dont see where to set what that click event should do.

am i missing something?

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Re: cfchart issues... (sub domain)

2005-08-18 Thread Douglas Knudsen
http://www.navtrak.net/CFIDE/GraphData.cfm?graphCache=wc50graphID=Images/11.SWF
is accessible
http://reports.navtrak.net/CFIDE/GraphData.cfm?graphCache=wc50graphID=Images/11.SWF
is not.

is the subdomain setup as a different IIS site?  no /cfide virtual dir
in this?

just stabbing

DK

On 8/18/05, Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi there.
 
 still battling the sub domain and the cfchart, where it just doesnt show the
 swf.  if you right click in the area where you should be able to see
 the chart...
 you see the normal right click context menu of any flash swf.  however its
 the chart is just not there. if i sniff the http headers, i see an object
 not found error.
 
 some of you suggested that i have a virtual directory
 under the subdomain, that is the /cfide directory under the
 server root (i tried all the CFIDE directories for that matter)
 and that didnt help.  any other ideas?
 
 http://reports.navtrak.net/test_reportLogGraph.cfm is the url.
 
 you can click on the top report, and you will see what i mean.
 
 IF i put this same file under www.navtrak.net, its all good.
 
 HELP :) if you can... thank you.
 
 --
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Re: cfchart issues... (sub domain)

2005-08-18 Thread Tony Weeg
yes the subdomain is setup as a diff iis site.

tw

On 8/18/05, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.navtrak.net/CFIDE/GraphData.cfm?graphCache=wc50graphID=Images/11.SWF
 is accessible
 http://reports.navtrak.net/CFIDE/GraphData.cfm?graphCache=wc50graphID=Images/11.SWF
 is not.
 
 is the subdomain setup as a different IIS site?  no /cfide virtual dir
 in this?
 
 just stabbing
 
 DK
 
 On 8/18/05, Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  hi there.
 
  still battling the sub domain and the cfchart, where it just doesnt show the
  swf.  if you right click in the area where you should be able to see
  the chart...
  you see the normal right click context menu of any flash swf.  however its
  the chart is just not there. if i sniff the http headers, i see an object
  not found error.
 
  some of you suggested that i have a virtual directory
  under the subdomain, that is the /cfide directory under the
  server root (i tried all the CFIDE directories for that matter)
  and that didnt help.  any other ideas?
 
  http://reports.navtrak.net/test_reportLogGraph.cfm is the url.
 
  you can click on the top report, and you will see what i mean.
 
  IF i put this same file under www.navtrak.net, its all good.
 
  HELP :) if you can... thank you.
 
  --
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Re: cfchart issues... (sub domain)

2005-08-18 Thread Tony Weeg
and there is the /cfide virt. dir.

:( tw

On 8/18/05, Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 yes the subdomain is setup as a diff iis site.
 
 tw
 
 On 8/18/05, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://www.navtrak.net/CFIDE/GraphData.cfm?graphCache=wc50graphID=Images/11.SWF
  is accessible
  http://reports.navtrak.net/CFIDE/GraphData.cfm?graphCache=wc50graphID=Images/11.SWF
  is not.
 
  is the subdomain setup as a different IIS site?  no /cfide virtual dir
  in this?
 
  just stabbing
 
  DK
 
  On 8/18/05, Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   hi there.
  
   still battling the sub domain and the cfchart, where it just doesnt show 
   the
   swf.  if you right click in the area where you should be able to see
   the chart...
   you see the normal right click context menu of any flash swf.  however its
   the chart is just not there. if i sniff the http headers, i see an object
   not found error.
  
   some of you suggested that i have a virtual directory
   under the subdomain, that is the /cfide directory under the
   server root (i tried all the CFIDE directories for that matter)
   and that didnt help.  any other ideas?
  
   http://reports.navtrak.net/test_reportLogGraph.cfm is the url.
  
   you can click on the top report, and you will see what i mean.
  
   IF i put this same file under www.navtrak.net, its all good.
  
   HELP :) if you can... thank you.
  
   --
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   Tony Weeg
   tonyweeg [at] gmail [dot] com
  
  
 
  

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Re: CFDUMP for PHP

2005-08-18 Thread Kevin Aebig
Well done... thats extremely handy!

Cheers,

Kevin

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 This may be a little OT but for those of you who also code in php and
 always wanted a cfdump there is something now available. Check out:
 http://dbug.ospinto.com/.

 - Andrew Hewitt

 

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WDDX Replacement Attempt - Take a Look!

2005-08-18 Thread Jim Davis
I've made some decisions and posted some samples.  Thanks everybody for all
your help!

I think I've hit upon an appropriate name... get ready... here it comes...

YODEL

It stand for Yet another Open Data Exchange Language.  Also Yodeling began
as a method for passing messaged from mountain peak to mountain peak using
only simple modulations of voice... all told it seems appropriate.

What do you guys think?

I've posted the XSD here:

http://www.depressedpress.com/yodel/yodel.xsd

I changed things around a little bit.  I didn't make the metadata create new
types (to do that I would have had to allow the type attribute to take any
value).  Instead I changed the label attribute.

md now takes a name attribute.  d now takes a metadata attribute to
link it to the name.  This is a little more descriptive that what I had.

I've completed the JavaScript serializer.  It's included in my
dp_ObjectExtensions library.  An early beta of this is here:

http://www.depressedpress.com/DepressedPress/Test/

The serializer in that library converts JavaScript objects to:

+) HTML (for use in a JS dump tag, also in the library).
+) YODEL (because that was really the point).
+) WDDX (because it deserves some love).
+) JSON (because I think its nifty).

The WDDX and JSON parsers are brand new - built from the group up and, if I
do say so myself, a little cleaner.  They may also be faster (I'm using
REGEXs instead of per-character string parsing) but I'm not sure.

This is all alpha/beta level now - I'd love any testing you might want to
try (or suggestions for testing).  The WDDX and JSON serializers should
always produce packets useable by the SDK parsers.  The YODEL serializer
should always produce valid packets according to the XSD.

The code has been tested in FireFox 1 and IE 6.

In any case you're interested take a look.  Let me know if you have any
suggestions or find any bugs.

Is anybody interested in contributing to this?  The JavaScript deserializers
are going to be a bear, but doable.  I'm looking to:

+) Rewrite the WDDX deserializer to take advantage of the DOM (which should
speed things up a lot).

+) Create the YODEL deserializer.

+) Create a new JSON deserializer (just so that it can be part of the object
extensions.)

+) Create a companion ColdFusion CFC that can serialize and deserialize
these three formats (yodel, WDDX and JSON) as well.

(I really think that the transfer mechanism shouldn't dictate software: by
combining all this stuff into single interfaces we're leaving the door open
to use the best enconding mechanism for the job, switching to another with
little work or just being able to provide multiple interfaces.)

If anybody wants to take one of those, or help in the testing it would be
very much appreciated.

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RE: CFDUMP for PHP

2005-08-18 Thread Jim Davis
 -Original Message-
 From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:56 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CFDUMP for PHP
 
 Well done... thats extremely handy!
 

Very cool.

I've been working on something similar for JavaScript.  It doesn't share the
color scheme of CFDUMP however:  ;^)

http://www.depressedpress.com/DepressedPress/Test/

Pretty soon we'll be able to dump in all sorts of places we were never
allowed to dump in before!

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Re: OT: Announce: Blogs onTap 2.0 Beta Released

2005-08-18 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 To install this latest release of the framework, can I
 just extract
 over the old one or should I delete everything there
 first?

I don't think anything important has been deleted... You should be
able to just extract over the existing installation... If you have any
problems with it, let me know. :)

At some point in the indeterminate future, hopefully there will be
upgrade installers for the core (as well as plugins) which will work
through the Plugin Manager, along with a syndication feature in the
Plugin Manager. The idea being that once all that groundwork is done,
you should be able to go to the Plugin Manager and select a check for
updates link or something similar and decide with a browser interface
if / when / how you want to install the latest version. Of course, I
have to find the time to build that. :)

I also recommend WinMerge for Windows users if you're just curious
about the changes since your last install. WinMerge will allow you to
compare a pair of directories (and of course subdirectories), which
makes it easier to see which files have been modified. I expect I'll
probably be using Subversion in the future as well, which should make
WinMerge superfluous.

s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080
new epoch : isn't it time for a change?

add features without fixtures with
the onTap open source framework

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