[Chevelle-list] OT - followup to Worlds Fastest Production Car post
Guy doesn't realize that 100mph and rain don't mix. http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007100574,00.html Karl Groves
Re: [Chevelle-list] OT - followup to Worlds Fastest Production Car post
Somebody's gonna get a time-out! -Original Message- From: Karl Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 6, 2007 7:00 AM To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] OT - followup to Worlds Fastest Production Car post Guy doesn't realize that 100mph and rain don't mix. http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007100574,00.html Karl Groves
[Chevelle-list] OT: A little bit of automotive history
Back in 1946 the 3 Goldberg brothers, Norman, Hyman, and Max invented and developed the first automobile air-conditioner. On July 17th, 1946, the temperature in Detroit was 97. The 3 brothers walked into old man Henry Ford's office and sweet-talked his secretary into telling him that 3 gentlemen were there with the most exciting innovation in the auto industry since the electric starter. Henry was curious and invited them into his office. They refused and instead asked that he come out to the parking lot to their car. They persuaded him to get into the car which was about 130 degrees, turned on the air-conditioner and cooled the car off immediately. The old man got very excited and invited them back to the office, where he offered them 3 million dollars for the patent. The brothers refused saying they would settle for 2 million but they wanted the recognition by having a label The Goldberg Air-Conditioner on the dashboard of each car that it was installed in. Now old man Ford was more than just a little bit Anti-Semitic, and there was no way he was going to put the Goldbergs name on 2 million Ford cars. They haggled back and forth for about 2 hours and finally agreed on 4 million dollars and that just their first names would be shown. And so, even today, all Ford air-conditioners show on the controls, the names Norm, Hi, Max.
Re: [Chevelle-list] OT - followup to Worlds Fastest Production Car post
Oopsy - DO OVER, DO OVER! As a side note, did anyone else find it interesting that once the special key is inserted for really high speed driving the rear wing pretty much gets pushed down and out of the way? Dale -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karl Groves Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 6:00 AM To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Subject: [Chevelle-list] OT - followup to Worlds Fastest Production Car post Guy doesn't realize that 100mph and rain don't mix. http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007100574,00.html Karl Groves
[Chevelle-list] build costs
Hello everyone, This is my first attempt of abusing the power of the chevelle mailing list. I apologize because I'm sure this is more of something that can be resolved in a forum, but I'm looking for good answers (I'm 100% rookie). I just purchased my first chevelle this weekend. A 71 SS clone. The car has some issues and since I'm new I don't know what good prices are to get things for. I'm being yanked all around my shops with wild price differences. I'm in Peoria Illinois. If someone knows of a good local it would be appreciated. I need to get a new front window (bought and installed). I also am looking for a new headliner installed. Lastly a repo rear ss bumper would be good. What prices should I be looking for in these items. Of course a new brake setup is a must, but there are plenty of threads for that. If I can just wade through all the information! Here is a link to the car I bought off e-bay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971-Chevelle-Super-Sport-Clone-SS-Cowl-Induction_W0QQitemZ330088574947QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6164QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Thank You, Randy S. Johnson eServ - Engineer CAT Phone / 309-578-5077 Operator Environment Interface Building AC, Peoria BO41
Re: [Chevelle-list] OT - followup to Worlds Fastest Production Car post
Dale, Yes, I thought the same thing. My guess is that at those high speeds, the wing might push the rear of the car down too far and make for difficult handling. -Original Message- From: Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 6, 2007 10:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] OT - followup to Worlds Fastest Production Car post Oopsy - DO OVER, DO OVER! As a side note, did anyone else find it interesting that once the special key is inserted for really high speed driving the rear wing pretty much gets pushed down and out of the way? Dale -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karl Groves Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 6:00 AM To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Subject: [Chevelle-list] OT - followup to Worlds Fastest Production Car post Guy doesn't realize that 100mph and rain don't mix. http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007100574,00.html Karl Groves
Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: A little bit of automotive history
Cute! On 3/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back in 1946 the 3 Goldberg brothers, Norman, Hyman, and Max invented and developed the first automobile air-conditioner. On July 17th, 1946, the temperature in Detroit was 97. The 3 brothers walked into old man Henry Ford's office and sweet-talked his secretary into telling him that 3 gentlemen were there with the most exciting innovation in the auto industry since the electric starter. Henry was curious and invited them into his office. They refused and instead asked that he come out to the parking lot to their car. They persuaded him to get into the car which was about 130 degrees, turned on the air-conditioner and cooled the car off immediately. The old man got very excited and invited them back to the office, where he offered them 3 million dollars for the patent. The brothers refused saying they would settle for 2 million but they wanted the recognition by having a label The Goldberg Air-Conditioner on the dashboard of each car that it was installed in. Now old man Ford was more than just a little bit Anti-Semitic, and there was no way he was going to put the Goldbergs name on 2 million Ford cars. They haggled back and forth for about 2 hours and finally agreed on 4 million dollars and that just their first names would be shown. And so, even today, all Ford air-conditioners show on the controls, the names Norm, Hi, Max. -- Rick Schaefer 72 TPI El Camino
Re: [Chevelle-list] doors again
Physically 68-72, 68 or 69 might have the door lock button in a different place. You might need to check on that. I tried looking at the interior section at the el camino store to see if they differentiated but couldn't sypher it myself. On 3/5/07, Dave Benjamin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *I have doors for 1968 elcamino what other years should they fit ?* ** *http://members.tripod.com/benj30/DavesClassifieds/id1165.htm*http://members.tripod.com/benj30/DavesClassifieds/id1165.htm ** *Thanks again* *Dave Ingersoll,Ontario My Web Site: **http://members.tripod.com/benj30/*http://members.tripod.com/benj30/ -- Rick Schaefer 72 TPI El Camino
Re: [Chevelle-list] build costs
Nice buy.About 6-8 years ago I had a windshield installed in my el camino for about 150-175 forget exactly. The guy came to my house and installed it in the driveway. Today, labor prices will be a bit higher but the price of the repro glass is about the same as then. Can't help with the headliner, I did my own in an afternoon and it wasn't terribly difficult. But a coupe has twice as many bows as an elky so it would take a bit more effort to get it straight tight. Bumper - Repro bumpers are not known for their high quality. If the original is not in terrible shape I'd have it rechromed. Cost is in the $3-400 (I think) but the result is well worth the difference. Fellow list members can give you names of reputable shops. If you want to buy a repro I'd visit a local resto supply house and pick the best that they have available. You can check prices at any of the suppliers here: http://www.chevelles.net/links/Suppliers/I think (again) that there are only one or maybe 2 companies reproducing the bumper so you should be able to buy on price service. Good luck with your chevelle. On 3/6/07, Randy S Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, This is my first attempt of abusing the power of the chevelle mailing list. I apologize because I'm sure this is more of something that can be resolved in a forum, but I'm looking for good answers (I'm 100% rookie). I just purchased my first chevelle this weekend. A 71 SS clone. The car has some issues and since I'm new I don't know what good prices are to get things for. I'm being yanked all around my shops with wild price differences. I'm in Peoria Illinois. If someone knows of a good local it would be appreciated. I need to get a new front window (bought and installed). I also am looking for a new headliner installed. Lastly a repo rear ss bumper would be good. What prices* should * I be looking for in these items. Of course a new brake setup is a must, but there are plenty of threads for that. If I can just wade through all the information! Here is a link to the car I bought off e-bay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971-Chevelle-Super-Sport-Clone-SS-Cowl-Induction_W0QQitemZ330088574947QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6164QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Thank You, Randy S. Johnson eServ - Engineer CAT Phone / 309-578-5077 Operator Environment Interface Building AC, Peoria BO41 -- Rick Schaefer 72 TPI El Camino
Re: [Chevelle-list] OT - followup to Worlds Fastest Production Car post
Csaba Casera (sp?) editor of Road Track drove that car to the 253MPH speed and wrote about 6 months ago or so ago. Just read in a recent issue that someone else took the top speed a bit higher. Dale is right about the wing. It extends at a certain speed for stability and then it retracts for decreased drag during top speed runs. Nice bit of engineering. On 3/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dale, Yes, I thought the same thing. My guess is that at those high speeds, the wing might push the rear of the car down too far and make for difficult handling. -Original Message- From: Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 6, 2007 10:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] OT - followup to Worlds Fastest Production Carpost Oopsy - DO OVER, DO OVER! As a side note, did anyone else find it interesting that once the special key is inserted for really high speed driving the rear wing pretty much gets pushed down and out of the way? Dale -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karl Groves Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 6:00 AM To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Subject: [Chevelle-list] OT - followup to Worlds Fastest Production Car post Guy doesn't realize that 100mph and rain don't mix. http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007100574,00.html Karl Groves -- Rick Schaefer 72 TPI El Camino
Re: [Chevelle-list] OT - followup to Worlds Fastest Production Carpost
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't knocking the idea of the wing. I'm certainly not an engineer but you look at the spoilers and soon-to-be-wings on NASCAR's COT, top fuel and funny cars, and think of the wing as a stabilizing and rear down force item. In order to obtain the speed it does, I assume down force is sacrificed for aerodynamics. Or, like Rick said, maybe too much down force on the back would make the front end tend to lift. It'd be a fun ride none the less! Dale
Re: [Chevelle-list] OT - followup to Worlds Fastest Production Carpost
I'll volunteer to test that if ya'll pool together to buy me one of those! Karl Groves Master Certified CIW http://www.karlgroves.com http://www.karlgroves.com/ Grayscale Content Management System: http://www.grayscalecms.com http://www.grayscalecms.com/ _ From: Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 12:07 PM To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] OT - followup to Worlds Fastest Production Carpost Don't get me wrong, I wasn't knocking the idea of the wing. I'm certainly not an engineer but you look at the spoilers and soon-to-be-wings on NASCAR's COT, top fuel and funny cars, and think of the wing as a stabilizing and rear down force item. In order to obtain the speed it does, I assume down force is sacrificed for aerodynamics. Or, like Rick said, maybe too much down force on the back would make the front end tend to lift. It'd be a fun ride none the less! Dale
Re: [Chevelle-list] 12 Bolt yoke #spd Vs 4 Spd
Thanks guys. I hate to take time to say what many others have said before me, but I have to let you know how important this list is to many of us. All of the valuable insights and information that is available and can't be had from many books and documents. It takes so long to get things done the first time, I'd hate to have to take it apart later, and redo for lack of good information. Ryan, we are closer to the same page as you might think. I also have a rebuilt 4 spd Saginaw and a 4 spd out of a Laguna. I'll try to find out more about what they are from the casting numbers. Thanks again guys.
Re: [Chevelle-list] 12 Bolt yoke
Bill, One is a M21 4 speed and the other is a 400 turbo Auto - Original Message - From: Bill Lessenberry To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 12 Bolt yoke Troop, are the '69 SS's 4-speed or automatic cars? BillL At 02:42 PM 3/5/2007, you wrote: I guess I should have justified that statement with: In my experience. I have 1 68 and 2 69 Chevelle 10 bolt open rears all U-bolts. The ones that came on my 2 69 SS's are 12 bolt posi's both have straps and are original to the cars. Trooper
[Chevelle-list] Power Steering Pump Brackets
I have a 71SS with asmall block, w/air. I understand there are a couple of ways to bracket this power steering pump. One being the standard bracket that is on the rear of the pump that supposedly bolts to the motor mount bolt that goes to the block and then the exhaust manifold bolt - but this car has headers so a stud would have to be used with a double nut on the bracket to secure it. The other way is some brackets (aftermarket) made by some company called Alan Grove Components. These brackets bolt to the block next to the pump area and look like they'll work. Has anyone got any tips or experience, suggestions?? Help. BobNetscape. Just the Net You Need.
Re: [Chevelle-list] 12 Bolt yoke #spd Vs 4 Spd
Jim If you would like or need send me the casting numbers off your tranny and I can tell you what it was used for. I have book that is actually really good with stuff like that.Just an offer Ryan
Re: [Chevelle-list] Power Steering Pump Brackets
Bob I have a 72 SB with headers A/C, probably the same as 71.I did have to purchase a special bracket for the rear of the A/C compressor, but nothing special for the power steering.Its been a long time since I put it together, but if there was suppose to be more than one bracket for the P/S pump I am running without one. I'd have to look to see exactly whats down there. One thing for sure, Alen Grove makes quality brackets. On 3/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 71SS with a small block, w/air. I understand there are a couple of ways to bracket this power steering pump. One being the standard bracket that is on the rear of the pump that supposedly bolts to the motor mount bolt that goes to the block and then the exhaust manifold bolt - but this car has headers so a stud would have to be used with a double nut on the bracket to secure it. The other way is some brackets (aftermarket) made by some company called Alan Grove Components. These brackets bolt to the block next to the pump area and look like they'll work. Has anyone got any tips or experience, suggestions?? Help. Bob -- Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- Rick Schaefer 72 TPI El Camino
Re: [Chevelle-list] Power Steering Pump Brackets
All, thanks for the tip enclosed is Grove's link I sure hope he can help solve my dilemma on my SS396 clone Hoke http://www.alangrovecomponents.com/Catalog.htm - Original Message - From: Rick Schaefer To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Power Steering Pump Brackets Bob I have a 72 SB with headers A/C, probably the same as 71.I did have to purchase a special bracket for the rear of the A/C compressor, but nothing special for the power steering.Its been a long time since I put it together, but if there was suppose to be more than one bracket for the P/S pump I am running without one. I'd have to look to see exactly whats down there. One thing for sure, Alen Grove makes quality brackets. On 3/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 71SS with a small block, w/air. I understand there are a couple of ways to bracket this power steering pump. One being the standard bracket that is on the rear of the pump that supposedly bolts to the motor mount bolt that goes to the block and then the exhaust manifold bolt - but this car has headers so a stud would have to be used with a double nut on the bracket to secure it. The other way is some brackets (aftermarket) made by some company called Alan Grove Components. These brackets bolt to the block next to the pump area and look like they'll work. Has anyone got any tips or experience, suggestions?? Help. Bob Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- Rick Schaefer 72 TPI El Camino
Re: [Chevelle-list] 12 Bolt yoke #spd Vs 4 Spd
Ryan, That would be great. Didn't go to the garage today. It was only 5 degrees most of the day and very windy. The news said it colder than Minnesota today. Hopefully tomorrow. Thanks again. Jim - Original Message - From: langus To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 12 Bolt yoke #spd Vs 4 Spd Jim If you would like or need send me the casting numbers off your tranny and I can tell you what it was used for. I have book that is actually really good with stuff like that.Just an offer Ryan
[Chevelle-list] Hello can you help me? I am trying to find out the gross weight of my Chevelle.
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[Chevelle-list] i am moving please take me off list til i get another place and i will get a hold of you thanks
Re: [Chevelle-list] i am moving please take me off list til i get another pla...
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Re: [Chevelle-list] 12 Bolt yoke #spd Vs 4 Spd
In a message dated 3/6/2007 9:54:52 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ryan, That would be great. Didn't go to the garage today. It was only 5 degrees most of the day and very windy. The news said it colder than Minnesota today. Hopefully tomorrow. Thanks again. Jim i can vouch for that its 16' above right now!!! Harlan glad to hear this state is good for something- even if its to compare the S#%tiest weather- anyone want a picture of the 6' tall and 72' long drift off my garage roof made of pure ice, let me know (i have been afraid to go into my garage for a week, the darn thing would kill ya' if it decided to fall on you) ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [Chevelle-list] 12 Bolt yoke
I don't think there is a 'bigger size' of u-bolts. The difference (I believe) is with the strap/bolt you can't put a u-bolt through the yoke because it's drilled for the bolt. Hopefully the 12-bolt rear end will have the straps/bolts necessary. Currie Enterprises, http://www.currieenterprises.com http://www.currieenterprises.com/ , lists U-JOINT STRAP KIT FOR 1310 YOKE at $6.95, part #CE-4058. The picture shown is u-bolts but it's a sample image only. I think Year One also has them for $10.60, part #MG328 and are listed as Type-1 U-joint strap kit. Universal joint strap kits for models using Type-1 universal joints at the rear axle. Includes straps and hardened bolts. Or maybe someone has a pair lying around from an old project, :*) Dale McIntosh http://www.chevellecd.com 1966/67 Chevelle Reference CDs ACES #1709/TC GOLD #92 http://www.chevellecd.com _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Sullivan Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 3:01 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 12 Bolt yoke All this U bolt/ Straps information makes me think about my situation. My '69 Malibu 307 had a 3 speed on the floor with a 10 bolt open rear. It has the U bolt. It's going back together as a 402 with a 4 speed and a 12 bolt posi. Sounds like I'm not going to be able to use the original U bolts. Is that right?? Even if I use U bolts, I'll have to get the bigger size???
