Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster introduces VPP pricing
Sounds like a Flowmaster is looking out for the small guy; Good for you, John. -- You can only be young once. But you can always be immature. --- Dave Barry -- Original message -- From: John Nasta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Just FYI, Flowmaster has recently mandated that all authorized dealers > sell Flowmaster products at or above jobber pricing. This is called > VPP or "Value Pricing Plan". This is good for the smaller retailers > who used to see the bigger companies selling these systems at the same > price that the small guys were paying for it, meaning that smaller > guys could not possibly compete. Unfortunately for the customers it > means that the cut-throat discounting which allowed you to buy these > systems below jobber will stop, but it also allows you to give your > business to a smaller company without paying more. > > Flowmaster is threatening to pull the accounts of dealers who do not > comply w/ the VPP policy. > > John Nasta > > > >
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Sure thing Craig...I will be putting it in on Saturday so will let you know... John
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John Let me know what you think after installing. I need to order a new system. Craig -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:00 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster I just recieved my American Thunder Kit today...Very nice looking system and doesn't look too bad of a job to install.It came with the super 40 series mufflers...Can't wait to check them out... John
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I just recieved my American Thunder Kit today...Very nice looking system and doesn't look too bad of a job to install.It came with the super 40 series mufflers...Can't wait to check them out... John
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Thanks John. Maybe I'll give them a try then. Matt At 07:56 PM 1/30/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the super 40's on my 66ss and I love the sound. I think they are very good mufflers, loud when you really step on the go pedal but nice sound. No popping or I really would not stand for the tin can sound. That was one of the reasons I went with them. John H. 66SS
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Hey Ron, yeah I don't think the 40s sound bad, I think they sound great. I agree with you though that they can be a little too much on a long drive. Especially, when you cruise at certain RPMs where the resonance is at its worst. Matt At 05:33 PM 1/30/2006, Ron wrote: By loud I didnt mean mine sounds bad J I always get comments on how nice it sounds. It just is a little much on a long drive. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matthew Post Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:28 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List; The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster Thanks for all the responses. So, I guess no one is running their SUPER 40's? There supposed to be the 40 series Delta flows. I have ran the 40 series before and they always sounded a little like a tin can. The Super 40's are supposed to be deeper tone. The sound clips sound different on their website, but it's hard to tell on my computer speakers. Matt At 10:50 AM 1/29/2006, Bill Bradley IV wrote: i also have 40's on mine, and they are a little loud for me. Bill Bradley 67 Malibu Edmond Oklahoma - Original Message - From: Ron To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster I have 40s on mine..like I said in a previous post, I think its a little loud, but never had any pops but then there is a little more involved in popping then exhaust pressure. I plan on changing out the mufflers this next summer to quite it down some. Ron My '66 http://myweb.cableone.net/cutter169/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Treanor Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster HI MATT; 70% of the guys in my chevelle club have the 40 series on thier cars. The 30 series is for a race application. I would go with thier recommendation. I run 70's, called the big block muffler, but I like it quiet inside. MIKE, 69 SS396.- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster When I called Flowmaster, they said that the 40 series was NOT recommended for big blocks. The guy said they tend to pop. -Original Message- From: Matthew Post Sent: Jan 27, 2006 11:42 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster Anyone here running Super 40s? I was going to do the regular old 40 series two chamber ones (=LOUD). But the Flowmaster website says the Super 40s are just as loud outside, but with less interior resonance (that Flowmaster drone @ about 2000-2500 rpm). Just curious if anyone had them. Thanks, Matt At 06:32 AM 1/27/2006, Chevelle List wrote: I have been checking them out and they say that they have quit including the 30 series mufflers in the kit.They now are including the super 40 series with delta flow technology(whatever that is!!!) John
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I have the super 40's on my 66ss and I love the sound. I think they are very good mufflers, loud when you really step on the go pedal but nice sound. No popping or I really would not stand for the tin can sound. That was one of the reasons I went with them. John H. 66SS
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By loud I didn’t mean mine sounds bad J I always get comments on how nice it sounds. It just is a little much on a long drive. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Post Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:28 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List; The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster Thanks for all the responses. So, I guess no one is running their SUPER 40's? There supposed to be the 40 series Delta flows. I have ran the 40 series before and they always sounded a little like a tin can. The Super 40's are supposed to be deeper tone. The sound clips sound different on their website, but it's hard to tell on my computer speakers. Matt At 10:50 AM 1/29/2006, Bill Bradley IV wrote: i also have 40's on mine, and they are a little loud for me. Bill Bradley 67 Malibu Edmond Oklahoma - Original Message - From: Ron To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster I have 40’s on mine..like I said in a previous post, I think it’s a little loud, but never had any pops…but then there is a little more involved in popping then exhaust pressure. I plan on changing out the mufflers this next summer to quite it down some. Ron My '66 http://myweb.cableone.net/cutter169/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Treanor Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster HI MATT; 70% of the guys in my chevelle club have the 40 series on thier cars. The 30 series is for a race application. I would go with thier recommendation. I run 70's, called the big block muffler, but I like it quiet inside. MIKE, 69 SS396.- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster When I called Flowmaster, they said that the 40 series was NOT recommended for big blocks. The guy said they tend to pop. -Original Message- From: Matthew Post Sent: Jan 27, 2006 11:42 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster Anyone here running Super 40s? I was going to do the regular old 40 series two chamber ones (=LOUD). But the Flowmaster website says the Super 40s are just as loud outside, but with less interior resonance (that Flowmaster drone @ about 2000-2500 rpm). Just curious if anyone had them. Thanks, Matt At 06:32 AM 1/27/2006, Chevelle List wrote: I have been checking them out and they say that they have quit including the 30 series mufflers in the kit.They now are including the super 40 series with delta flow technology(whatever that is!!!) John
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Thanks for all the responses. So, I guess no one is running their SUPER 40's? There supposed to be the 40 series Delta flows. I have ran the 40 series before and they always sounded a little like a tin can. The Super 40's are supposed to be deeper tone. The sound clips sound different on their website, but it's hard to tell on my computer speakers. Matt At 10:50 AM 1/29/2006, Bill Bradley IV wrote: i also have 40's on mine, and they are a little loud for me. Bill Bradley 67 Malibu Edmond Oklahoma - Original Message - From: Ron To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster I have 40s on mine..like I said in a previous post, I think its a little loud, but never had any pops but then there is a little more involved in popping then exhaust pressure. I plan on changing out the mufflers this next summer to quite it down some. Ron My '66 http://myweb.cableone.net/cutter169/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Treanor Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster HI MATT; 70% of the guys in my chevelle club have the 40 series on thier cars. The 30 series is for a race application. I would go with thier recommendation. I run 70's, called the big block muffler, but I like it quiet inside. MIKE, 69 SS396.- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster When I called Flowmaster, they said that the 40 series was NOT recommended for big blocks. The guy said they tend to pop. -Original Message- From: Matthew Post Sent: Jan 27, 2006 11:42 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster Anyone here running Super 40s? I was going to do the regular old 40 series two chamber ones (=LOUD). But the Flowmaster website says the Super 40s are just as loud outside, but with less interior resonance (that Flowmaster drone @ about 2000-2500 rpm). Just curious if anyone had them. Thanks, Matt At 06:32 AM 1/27/2006, Chevelle List wrote: I have been checking them out and they say that they have quit including the 30 series mufflers in the kit.They now are including the super 40 series with delta flow technology(whatever that is!!!) John
Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster
i also have 40's on mine, and they are a little
loud for me.
Bill Bradley
67 Malibu
Edmond Oklahoma
- Original Message -
From:
Ron
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 8:58
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list]
Flowmaster
I have 40s on
mine..like I said in a previous post, I think its a little loud, but never
had any pops
but then there is a little more involved in popping then exhaust
pressure.
I plan on changing
out the mufflers this next summer to quite it down
some.
Ron
My '66 http://myweb.cableone.net/cutter169/
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ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list]
Flowmaster
HI MATT; 70% of the guys in my
chevelle club have the 40 series on thier cars. The 30 series is for a race
application. I would go with thier recommendation. I run 70's, called the big
block muffler, but I like it quiet inside. MIKE, 69 SS396.-
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When I called Flowmaster, they said that the 40
series was NOT recommended for big blocks. The guy said they tend to
pop.-Original Message- From: Matthew Post
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Jan 27, 2006 11:42 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List
, The Chevelle
Mailing List Subject: Re:
[Chevelle-list] Flowmaster Anyone here running
Super 40s? I was going to do the regular old 40 series two chamber
ones (=LOUD). But the Flowmaster website says the Super 40s are just
as loud outside, but with less interior resonance (that Flowmaster drone @
about 2000-2500 rpm). Just curious if anyone had
them.Thanks,MattAt 06:32 AM 1/27/2006, Chevelle List
wrote:
I have been checking them out
and they say that they have quit including the 30 series mufflers in the
kit.They now are including the super 40 series with delta flow
technology(whatever that
is!!!)John
Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster
I have 40’s on mine..like I said in a previous post, I think it’s a little loud, but never had any pops…but then there is a little more involved in popping then exhaust pressure. I plan on changing out the mufflers this next summer to quite it down some. Ron My '66 http://myweb.cableone.net/cutter169/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Treanor Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster HI MATT; 70% of the guys in my chevelle club have the 40 series on thier cars. The 30 series is for a race application. I would go with thier recommendation. I run 70's, called the big block muffler, but I like it quiet inside. MIKE, 69 SS396.- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster When I called Flowmaster, they said that the 40 series was NOT recommended for big blocks. The guy said they tend to pop. -Original Message- From: Matthew Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Jan 27, 2006 11:42 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster Anyone here running Super 40s? I was going to do the regular old 40 series two chamber ones (=LOUD). But the Flowmaster website says the Super 40s are just as loud outside, but with less interior resonance (that Flowmaster drone @ about 2000-2500 rpm). Just curious if anyone had them. Thanks, Matt At 06:32 AM 1/27/2006, Chevelle List wrote: I have been checking them out and they say that they have quit including the 30 series mufflers in the kit.They now are including the super 40 series with delta flow technology(whatever that is!!!) John
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Hey...Just quoting what the website says...at least that is what I saw John
Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster
HI MATT; 70% of the guys in my chevelle club have the 40 series on thier cars. The 30 series is for a race application. I would go with thier recommendation. I run 70's, called the big block muffler, but I like it quiet inside. MIKE, 69 SS396.- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster When I called Flowmaster, they said that the 40 series was NOT recommended for big blocks. The guy said they tend to pop.-Original Message- From: Matthew Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Jan 27, 2006 11:42 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster Anyone here running Super 40s? I was going to do the regular old 40 series two chamber ones (=LOUD). But the Flowmaster website says the Super 40s are just as loud outside, but with less interior resonance (that Flowmaster drone @ about 2000-2500 rpm). Just curious if anyone had them.Thanks,MattAt 06:32 AM 1/27/2006, Chevelle List wrote: I have been checking them out and they say that they have quit including the 30 series mufflers in the kit.They now are including the super 40 series with delta flow technology(whatever that is!!!)John
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Flowmaster recently raised all of their prices, so that may not still be the price. I just updated all of my Flowmaster prices about a week ago to reflect the new 2006 prices. I know I personally can't sell that system for $300 (assuming you mean the 11719 because the 11720 is even more). Retail businesses just can't survive on 10% margins, especially with that much cash outlay. Flowmaster makes it really hard for the smaller vendors because they give much better pricing to the bigger guys. You just can't compete with a margin like that and still stay in business. If they are really selling the 11719 for $300, that is 20% below jobber, which no small company can compete with because we just don't get the kind of pricing that would allow that. The shipping would cost more than what we would make on it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mumper, Douglas Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:24 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster Summit racing has it for $309.00 US, I paid $300 last winter Doug 66 chevelle -Original Message- From: John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:21 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster I just got a quote here in Alberta of $361.52cdn for the 2 1/2 inch system ...I don't know how they do it cause the Flowmaster web site says $470 usd for the same system..But...I will take it... John
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Summit racing has it for $309.00 US, I paid $300 last winter Doug 66 chevelle -Original Message- From: John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:21 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster I just got a quote here in Alberta of $361.52cdn for the 2 1/2 inch system ...I don't know how they do it cause the Flowmaster web site says $470 usd for the same system..But...I will take it... John
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In a message dated 1/27/2006 8:14:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I called Flowmaster, they said that the 40 series was NOT recommended for big blocks. The guy said they tend to pop. I'm running 40 series on 2 cars, one is my 70 with a healthy 454, the other is my 86 Cutlass with a mildly built 350, neither one pop. Tom
Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster
When I called Flowmaster, they said that the 40 series was NOT recommended for big blocks. The guy said they tend to pop.-Original Message- From: Matthew Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Jan 27, 2006 11:42 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster Anyone here running Super 40s? I was going to do the regular old 40 series two chamber ones (=LOUD). But the Flowmaster website says the Super 40s are just as loud outside, but with less interior resonance (that Flowmaster drone @ about 2000-2500 rpm). Just curious if anyone had them.Thanks,MattAt 06:32 AM 1/27/2006, Chevelle List wrote: I have been checking them out and they say that they have quit including the 30 series mufflers in the kit.They now are including the super 40 series with delta flow technology(whatever that is!!!)John
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p.s. I have all of mine priced either at or below jobber. Not sure what other people are doing.
Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster
The Flowmaster site probably only shows the list price because they don't sell retail, and they know that most of the retailers sell them below list (we sort of have to in order to sell any at all). In other words, they are not going to show prices that would compete with a retailer because the retailers are their customers, not the public. John Nasta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:21 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster I just got a quote here in Alberta of $361.52cdn for the 2 1/2 inch system ...I don't know how they do it cause the Flowmaster web site says $470 usd for the same system..But...I will take it... John
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Sorry, I didn't mean to send that to the list. -Original Message- Hi Craig, Are you looking for the Chevelle kit or the El Camino kit?
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Hi Craig, Are you looking for the Chevelle kit or the El Camino kit? John Nasta Old Car Network http://oldcarnetwork.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of crobertson1 Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:41 PM To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster Where can you get the best deal on a new system?
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I just got a quote here in Alberta of $361.52cdn for the 2 1/2 inch system ...I don't know how they do it cause the Flowmaster web site says $470 usd for the same system..But...I will take it... John
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Ask around. Honestly it's hard for the small guys to compete with the bigger players on Flowmaster stuff.
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Where can you get the best deal on a new system? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Kline Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:00 AM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster John.. IMO. there the best bang for the $.. The two chamber muffler is on the loud sound,, BUT i like loud,, but if you live in an apartment complex or town house i don't think your neighbors my share your taste in muffler tone or Level... As for installation .. It's straight forward bolt adjust and clamp, with the exception of cutting to length and welding it to the collector reducer . Wayne ACES 1556 TC 186 >From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List >To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net >Subject: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster >Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:09:33 -0700 > >I am thinking of buying a Flowmaster 2 1/2 inch American Thunder Exhaust >kit for my 66...Anybody have one of these installed on their car or have >any opinions of them... I'd like to hear about it... >John _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster
Anyone here running Super 40s? I was going to do the regular old 40 series two chamber ones (=LOUD). But the Flowmaster website says the Super 40s are just as loud outside, but with less interior resonance (that Flowmaster drone @ about 2000-2500 rpm). Just curious if anyone had them. Thanks, Matt At 06:32 AM 1/27/2006, Chevelle List wrote: I have been checking them out and they say that they have quit including the 30 series mufflers in the kit.They now are including the super 40 series with delta flow technology(whatever that is!!!) John
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Anyone interested in my 4" flowmaster setup? Just like going to a rock concert after a long drive down the expressway. They exit just in front of the rear tires for the extra BASS...hahaha No radio loud enough...so I took it off. Cops liked it too ;-) Walt http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm - Original Message - From: Chevelle List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:13 am Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster > YepI think it is the way to go too...I will order a kit > today..I like it > loud > > > >
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YepI think it is the way to go too...I will order a kit today..I like it loud
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John.. IMO. there the best bang for the $.. The two chamber muffler is on the loud sound,, BUT i like loud,, but if you live in an apartment complex or town house i don't think your neighbors my share your taste in muffler tone or Level... As for installation .. It's straight forward bolt adjust and clamp, with the exception of cutting to length and welding it to the collector reducer . Wayne ACES 1556 TC 186 From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:09:33 -0700 I am thinking of buying a Flowmaster 2 1/2 inch American Thunder Exhaust kit for my 66...Anybody have one of these installed on their car or have any opinions of them... I'd like to hear about it... John _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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Can’t be. The 40s are a totally different physical size. 30s and 50s are the same physical size but 50s are not as loud as 30s. Some of my customers who order the 17119 kit ask for 50s instead of 30s, which is not a problem. The 17120 (El Camino) kit has always come with 50s. John Nasta Old Car Network http://oldcarnetwork.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Chevelle List Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:33 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster I have been checking them out and they say that they have quit including the 30 series mufflers in the kit.They now are including the super 40 series with delta flow technology(whatever that is!!!) John
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I have been checking them out and they say that they have quit including the 30 series mufflers in the kit.They now are including the super 40 series with delta flow technology(whatever that is!!!) John
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It's supposed to come w/ two sets of tail pipes. The straight pipes are Oldsmobile style and the ones that are turned down at the bumper are for other GM cars. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Mumper, Douglas Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:25 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster I put the same system on my 1966 chevelle 400 SB. it comes with series 30 mufflers, not to loud at low rpm but sounds good when revved up! I called flow master they said for the street on my 400 sb 450 horsepower a 2 1/2 inch is good. more back pressure which makes more torque!! not to bad to install, it came w/ two sets of tail pipes!! Doug From: John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:10 PM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster I am thinking of buying a Flowmaster 2 1/2 inch American Thunder Exhaust kit for my 66...Anybody have one of these installed on their car or have any opinions of them... I'd like to hear about it... John
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I put the same system on my 1966 chevelle 400 SB. it comes with series 30 mufflers, not to loud at low rpm but sounds good when revved up! I called flow master they said for the street on my 400 sb 450 horsepower a 2 1/2 inch is good. more back pressure which makes more torque!! not to bad to install, it came w/ two sets of tail pipes!! Doug From: John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:10 PMTo: Chevelle-list@chevelles.netSubject: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster I am thinking of buying a Flowmaster 2 1/2 inch American Thunder Exhaust kit for my 66...Anybody have one of these installed on their car or have any opinions of them... I'd like to hear about it... John
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I had the American Thunder kit on my 67 BB. Sounded pretty good to me. Short .WAV file here - http://www.dalesplace.com/images/chevelle/more_pics/p852.wav Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1967 Chevelle Reference CD now available! ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:10 PM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster I am thinking of buying a Flowmaster 2 1/2 inch American Thunder Exhaust kit for my 66...Anybody have one of these installed on their car or have any opinions of them... I'd like to hear about it... John
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I have a Flowmaster system with 50s on my 69 El Camino w/ SBC. I am happy with it. It is pretty cheap for a fairly complete system, and it was easy to install. If you are just basically joy-riding with your car, I think you would be happy in the absence of all sorts of science. John Nasta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of John Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:10 PM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster I am thinking of buying a Flowmaster 2 1/2 inch American Thunder Exhaust kit for my 66...Anybody have one of these installed on their car or have any opinions of them... I'd like to hear about it... John
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Here is a video of my 70 with the 2.5" American Thunder system and 40 series mufflers. The quality sucks, but you can here it http://www.chevelles.com/cgi-bin/video/dirwrap.cgi?rt=count&path=video//MOV05442.mpg Tom
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I have the 3” kit on my ’66. High quality and good fit though a little on the loud side (simple fix with a different muffler). Ron My '66 http://myweb.cableone.net/cutter169/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:10 PM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster I am thinking of buying a Flowmaster 2 1/2 inch American Thunder Exhaust kit for my 66...Anybody have one of these installed on their car or have any opinions of them... I'd like to hear about it... John
Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster exhaust kit 17202
Hey Herb, no problem..I didn't think that offer would last very long..thanks to you too Mike for answering the question about the 30"s..I think that's exactly what I'll get.. thank you all for giving us new guys and gals so much great information.. tom
Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster exhaust kit 17202
Tom, I have 30's with a three inch system on my 421 Tempest. They are not as loud as 40's. Not much interior noise but a deep throaty sound out back. Loud enough to get attention but not so loud as to be annoying. Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: Herb Lumpp To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 6:13 AM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster exhaust kit 17202 Hi Tom, Sorry, but Mike already has a check in the mail. Thanks for the compliments, and yes that's a Joe Gibb truck. As for how loud the 30's are, maybe someone on the list that has a set could answer that. Herb Lumpphttp://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:23 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster exhaust kit 17202 In a message dated 7/27/2004 2:23:52 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm Hey Herb.. Is the exhaust system still available? I'm trying to finish up my 67 SS396 and have been trying to figure out which system would be best..are the 30's real loud? I'm looking for a beefy sound just not too much..just checked out your web site..very nice, is that one of Joe Gibbs new truck..he has a surburban edition too, doesn't he? but I would be interested in buying your system, I'm in the phoenix area.. thanks, tom
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Hi Tom, Sorry, but Mike already has a check in the mail. Thanks for the compliments, and yes that's a Joe Gibb truck. As for how loud the 30's are, maybe someone on the list that has a set could answer that. Herb Lumpphttp://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:23 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster exhaust kit 17202 In a message dated 7/27/2004 2:23:52 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm Hey Herb.. Is the exhaust system still available? I'm trying to finish up my 67 SS396 and have been trying to figure out which system would be best..are the 30's real loud? I'm looking for a beefy sound just not too much..just checked out your web site..very nice, is that one of Joe Gibbs new truck..he has a surburban edition too, doesn't he? but I would be interested in buying your system, I'm in the phoenix area.. thanks, tom
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In a message dated 7/27/2004 2:23:52 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm Hey Herb.. Is the exhaust system still available? I'm trying to finish up my 67 SS396 and have been trying to figure out which system would be best..are the 30's real loud? I'm looking for a beefy sound just not too much..just checked out your web site..very nice, is that one of Joe Gibbs new truck..he has a surburban edition too, doesn't he? but I would be interested in buying your system, I'm in the phoenix area.. thanks, tom
RE: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster exhaust kit 17202
Hi Mike, In my opinion, a 3" exhaust isn't too big for a 350, it might not have the same flow velocity of a smaller system, but I've never noticed a drop in performance on my cars. Besides, I prefer the sound of a 3" system over a 2.5" or smaller. Were you interested in the kit I'm getting from Flowmaster? Herb Lumpphttp://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:43 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster exhaust kit 17202Saw your letter regarding the exhaust system. Is a 3" system too big for a 350. I'm helping my son with his first car and am shopping for an exhaust system. Thanks for a reply. Mike
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Saw your letter regarding the exhaust system. Is a 3" system too big for a 350. I'm helping my son with his first car and am shopping for an exhaust system. Thanks for a reply. Mike
RE: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster exhaust kit 17202
Thanks for the assist Dale! As for what I want, I'm hoping $300 plus shipping. Herb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dale Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:44 PM To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster exhaust kit 17202 $510 at Summit - plus shipping I'm sure. From Flowmaster site: 3" Muscle car system for GM "A" Body Chevelle, Malibu, GTO, El Camino, Lemans, GS/Skylark, and 442/Cutlass. Delta Force technology using 3" aluminized 16 gauge mandrel bent tubing, adjustable "H'" pipe and includes the 30 Muffler Series. Comes with bolt-on hangers and has side exit design for OEM look! Kit's individual parts cannot be sold separately. Odd they list this to fit an El Camino as well. The American Thunder kits are totally different for El Caminos. Dale > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Post > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:23 PM > To: The Chevelle Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster exhaust kit 17202 > > Hey Herb, > > I might be interested. What do you estimate the value as? > > -Matt >
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$510 at Summit - plus shipping I'm sure. From Flowmaster site: 3" Muscle car system for GM "A" Body Chevelle, Malibu, GTO, El Camino, Lemans, GS/Skylark, and 442/Cutlass. Delta Force technology using 3" aluminized 16 gauge mandrel bent tubing, adjustable "H'" pipe and includes the 30 Muffler Series. Comes with bolt-on hangers and has side exit design for OEM look! Kit's individual parts cannot be sold separately. Odd they list this to fit an El Camino as well. The American Thunder kits are totally different for El Caminos. Dale > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Post > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:23 PM > To: The Chevelle Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Flowmaster exhaust kit 17202 > > Hey Herb, > > I might be interested. What do you estimate the value as? > > -Matt >
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Hey Herb, I might be interested. What do you estimate the value as? -Matt At 02:02 PM 7/27/2004, you wrote: Hi guys, Is anyone out there interested in a brand spanking new 3" Flowmaster exhaust kit (#17202) for less than you can get it from Summit or Jegs (plus shipping)? The reason I ask is because while on Power Tour my Elky was selected as one of the display cars for the CHP 40 Year Chevelle celebration. As a result of this selection, I received a bunch of coupons in the mail the other day and the best one is a completely free Chevelle exhaust system (or equivelant) from Flowmaster. I don't need it for my Elky and they don't make a kit for my Vette. I was going to put it on the shelf in case I ever got another Chevelle but then I thought maybe someone on the list might be interested in buying it from me. If not, I might list it on eBay. Herb Lumpp http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm
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Yes, I finished the install in a snap yesterday. Worth every penny and the delta 50's sound sweet! -Original Message- From: Cutter169 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster kit install I had the same problem with the kit when I put it on...look at those brackets for about 30 minutes before I swapped them and everything just dropped in. The only thing I have to do is run down to the muffler shop and have them seal it up. My welding skills are somewhat limited.. Other then the the kit was a simple bolt in. Ron My '66 http://home.attbi.com/~cutter169/chevelle_page.htm Team Chevelle #1668 ACES #5205 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matthew Wooliever Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster kit install FYI, here is a pretty good article on installation of the American Thunder kit on a '65 GM A-body (LeMans): http://www.carcraft.com/howto/85918/ I am glad that you mentioned the reversed diagrams too. When mine came, I thought I was crazy. Any other tips? I am going to crawl under my '66 on Wednesday. Thanks, Matt -Original Message- From: John Nasta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 11:12 PM To: Olds Mailing List; Chevelle List Subject: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster kit install The good news is that the installation of my Flowmaster American Thunder kit was very straightforward and easy. The system lines up extremely well to the stock hanger points. the one thing that took up more time than anything else was figuring out that everywhere the instructions said "right" it meant "left" and vive versa. There is onr diagram that says "left side from center looking outward" accompanied by an arrow pointing to the left labeled "front of car". Well, here in the northeast, when you are at the center looking out toward the left side of the car, the front is to your right. So, there's one caveat, plus the fact that if your car has never had duals the mount holes on the left side may have never been tapped, and you may need to buy 2 bolts for that side. My system is not quite finished because I need a pipe cutter that can handle 2.5" pipe in order to trim the front pipe to size. In other words, about another half hour's work tops. John Nasta - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I had the same problem with the kit when I put it on...look at those brackets for about 30 minutes before I swapped them and everything just dropped in. The only thing I have to do is run down to the muffler shop and have them seal it up. My welding skills are somewhat limited.. Other then the the kit was a simple bolt in. Ron My '66 http://home.attbi.com/~cutter169/chevelle_page.htm Team Chevelle #1668 ACES #5205 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matthew Wooliever Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster kit install FYI, here is a pretty good article on installation of the American Thunder kit on a '65 GM A-body (LeMans): http://www.carcraft.com/howto/85918/ I am glad that you mentioned the reversed diagrams too. When mine came, I thought I was crazy. Any other tips? I am going to crawl under my '66 on Wednesday. Thanks, Matt -Original Message- From: John Nasta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 11:12 PM To: Olds Mailing List; Chevelle List Subject: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster kit install The good news is that the installation of my Flowmaster American Thunder kit was very straightforward and easy. The system lines up extremely well to the stock hanger points. the one thing that took up more time than anything else was figuring out that everywhere the instructions said "right" it meant "left" and vive versa. There is onr diagram that says "left side from center looking outward" accompanied by an arrow pointing to the left labeled "front of car". Well, here in the northeast, when you are at the center looking out toward the left side of the car, the front is to your right. So, there's one caveat, plus the fact that if your car has never had duals the mount holes on the left side may have never been tapped, and you may need to buy 2 bolts for that side. My system is not quite finished because I need a pipe cutter that can handle 2.5" pipe in order to trim the front pipe to size. In other words, about another half hour's work tops. John Nasta - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I just got done bolting my American Thunder kit on a '71 Malibu. I found that a pipe expander was helpful to get the tail pipes in the mufflers easier, and help to rotate them for clearance. The expander I got from the AutoZone loan-a-tool program (free). I used band clamps to seal the joints. They worked fine except for the position at the hangers, where there is not quite enough room to fit the u bracket from the hanger and the band clamp. I made it fit anyway, and there are no leaks. I also found that the tail pipes (the turn downs) extended beyond the rear bumper pretty far compared to most exhausts I've seem, maybe 2-3 inches. I might trim them some day. Tom Tomlinson '71 Malibu 350 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matthew Wooliever Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster kit install FYI, here is a pretty good article on installation of the American Thunder kit on a '65 GM A-body (LeMans): http://www.carcraft.com/howto/85918/ I am glad that you mentioned the reversed diagrams too. When mine came, I thought I was crazy. Any other tips? I am going to crawl under my '66 on Wednesday. Thanks, Matt -Original Message- From: John Nasta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 11:12 PM To: Olds Mailing List; Chevelle List Subject: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster kit install The good news is that the installation of my Flowmaster American Thunder kit was very straightforward and easy. The system lines up extremely well to the stock hanger points. the one thing that took up more time than anything else was figuring out that everywhere the instructions said "right" it meant "left" and vive versa. There is onr diagram that says "left side from center looking outward" accompanied by an arrow pointing to the left labeled "front of car". Well, here in the northeast, when you are at the center looking out toward the left side of the car, the front is to your right. So, there's one caveat, plus the fact that if your car has never had duals the mount holes on the left side may have never been tapped, and you may need to buy 2 bolts for that side. My system is not quite finished because I need a pipe cutter that can handle 2.5" pipe in order to trim the front pipe to size. In other words, about another half hour's work tops. John Nasta - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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FYI, here is a pretty good article on installation of the American Thunder kit on a '65 GM A-body (LeMans): http://www.carcraft.com/howto/85918/ I am glad that you mentioned the reversed diagrams too. When mine came, I thought I was crazy. Any other tips? I am going to crawl under my '66 on Wednesday. Thanks, Matt -Original Message- From: John Nasta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 11:12 PM To: Olds Mailing List; Chevelle List Subject: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster kit install The good news is that the installation of my Flowmaster American Thunder kit was very straightforward and easy. The system lines up extremely well to the stock hanger points. the one thing that took up more time than anything else was figuring out that everywhere the instructions said "right" it meant "left" and vive versa. There is onr diagram that says "left side from center looking outward" accompanied by an arrow pointing to the left labeled "front of car". Well, here in the northeast, when you are at the center looking out toward the left side of the car, the front is to your right. So, there's one caveat, plus the fact that if your car has never had duals the mount holes on the left side may have never been tapped, and you may need to buy 2 bolts for that side. My system is not quite finished because I need a pipe cutter that can handle 2.5" pipe in order to trim the front pipe to size. In other words, about another half hour's work tops. John Nasta - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John, I'm gonna begin my pro street project hopefully this month. I'm gonna need a lot of panels and was curious about oversized shipping costs are like and wether or not UPS will carry them (or is truck freight required). I realize that most parts are oversized...so is there any tips to ordering bulky parts. If necessary i can always drive 2 hours away and pick up parts from one of the major suppliers if it looks like shipping cost are gonna be crazy. Which do you think would be best. Thanks Kyle Bennett ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, June 01, 2003 11:12:24 PM To: Olds Mailing List; Chevelle List Subject: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster kit install The good news is that the installation of my Flowmaster American Thunder kit was very straightforward and easy. The system lines up extremely well to the stock hanger points. the one thing that took up more time than anything else was figuring out that everywhere the instructions said "right" it meant "left" and vive versa. There is onr diagram that says "left side from center looking outward" accompanied by an arrow pointing to the left labeled "front of car". Well, here in the northeast, when you are at the center looking out toward the left side of the car, the front is to your right. So, there's one caveat, plus the fact that if your car has never had duals the mount holes on the left side may have never been tapped, and you may need to buy 2 bolts for that side. My system is not quite finished because I need a pipe cutter that can handle 2.5" pipe in order to trim the front pipe to size. In other words, about another half hour's work tops. John Nasta - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster Ruining America
Herb, Well, Im ruining AmericaI run two 40 series flowmasters, but I guess that your arent since you run SpinTech mufflers...lollook at Herb! Herb is Noise Pollution Friendly! haha lol -Tim
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> That makes about as much sense to me as somebody suing Anheuser-Busch for > all the ugly women they have slept with! > > Rich Now everybody who drinks should know beer goggles are worn at your own risk! cYa- Herb Lumpp 1966 El Camino ACES 3509, MCC 528 http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/ - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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They aren't thinking, that's the problem! They're a bunch of morons with nothing better to do with their time. (Did I say that out loud?) cYa- Herb Lumpp 1966 El Camino ACES 3509, MCC 528 http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/ - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster Ruining America > > What in the heck are these narrow minded people thinking > > Bill C > CT. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 08:47 AM 01/28/2003 -0500, you wrote: Bill, Remember, you are living in a country were someone can smoke cigarettes for 30 years, get cancer, sue the tobacco companies and win big money! That makes about as much sense to me as somebody suing Anheuser-Busch for all the ugly women they have slept with! Rich I have to disagree about the 2nd one, enough Anheuser-Busch & a F**D can look like a 70 LS6 for a little while, but when it wears off you see it's a (gasp) F**D, . - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oh don't worry, they cover that on their website too :) Rodney. 71 Chevelle El Mirage, AZ - Original Message - From: "Robert Byrne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster Ruining America > NoisefreeAmerica- > Self righteous ignorant jackasses. I can't stand people who can't bother to find out the facts on an issue before making stupid public announcements like this. And what about all the s--theads who drive around with their 500 watt stereos turned up all the way? There's way more of them around than there are people with loud exhausts. > Rob > --- Dave Corgill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >At 07:12 PM 01/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>Flowmaster: Destroying America With Thunder Flowmaster, manufacturer of > >>loud, hot-rod "performance exhaust systems," has won this month's Noisy > >>Dozen award from Noise Free America. Flowmaster, based in Santa Rosa, > >>California, proclaims that it manufactures "high performance mufflers and > >>complete exhaust systems." It has hundreds of different exhaust systems > >>that produce "an aggressive muscle car sound." > > > >Let's take up a collection & send them a case of ear-plugs made in CHINA. > > > >Besides they forgot about setting all the Toy-YO-YO's car alarms off as you > >idle by . > > > > > >- > >To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > >To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > ProPilots Network Email - http://webmail.propilots.net/ > > _ > Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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NoisefreeAmerica- Self righteous ignorant jackasses. I can't stand people who can't bother to find out the facts on an issue before making stupid public announcements like this. And what about all the s--theads who drive around with their 500 watt stereos turned up all the way? There's way more of them around than there are people with loud exhausts. Rob --- Dave Corgill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >At 07:12 PM 01/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >>Flowmaster: Destroying America With Thunder Flowmaster, manufacturer of >>loud, hot-rod "performance exhaust systems," has won this month's Noisy >>Dozen award from Noise Free America. Flowmaster, based in Santa Rosa, >>California, proclaims that it manufactures "high performance mufflers and >>complete exhaust systems." It has hundreds of different exhaust systems >>that produce "an aggressive muscle car sound." > >Let's take up a collection & send them a case of ear-plugs made in CHINA. > >Besides they forgot about setting all the Toy-YO-YO's car alarms off as you >idle by . > > >- >To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html >To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ ProPilots Network Email - http://webmail.propilots.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bill, Remember, you are living in a country were someone can smoke cigarettes for 30 years, get cancer, sue the tobacco companies and win big money! That makes about as much sense to me as somebody suing Anheuser-Busch for all the ugly women they have slept with! Rich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster Ruining America Well this explains everything..I was wondering what the heck was "wrong" with mebut the a lot of people say the same thing :) On the corvette list, there was some promotion ( from somewhere ) where you are encouraged to give young people a ride in your vett in the hopes of making future vett owners. I guess I can be charged with corrupting the minds of minors or something.. What in the heck are these narrow minded people thinking Bill C CT. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well this explains everything..I was wondering what the heck was "wrong" with mebut the a lot of people say the same thing :) On the corvette list, there was some promotion ( from somewhere ) where you are encouraged to give young people a ride in your vett in the hopes of making future vett owners. I guess I can be charged with corrupting the minds of minors or something.. What in the heck are these narrow minded people thinking Bill C CT. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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They promise 'powerfully aggressive sound outside the vehicle' and 'the true tone of American muscle and performance.'" Sounds like they live up to their promise! This educator also stated that "people who install hot rod exhausts are breaking the law. State and local police departments should enforce the law. State vehicle inspectors should look for illegal hot rod equipment." This educator knows of local and state police offers who have Flowmasters on their personal vehicles. She fears they may be sympathetic to hot rod law breakers.That's unthinkable! How could they!? They must secretly be.. American's! American's who like cars! Hey "educator", let me ease your fear We ARE sympathetic to hot rodders! Ted Rueter, director of Noise Free America, observed that "these illegal hot rod exhausts increase noise levels, which produces chaos and confusion. In this atmosphere, accidents increase, property values decline, and criminality flourishes. Flowmaster's noise machines harm the quality of American life."Damn!...All of those studiesAll of that trainingHours in a patrol car..and all of the time crime & accidents were high because it was too noisy! Your Humble Police Servant (& MuscleCar Sympathizer) Don
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At 07:12 PM 01/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: Flowmaster: Destroying America With Thunder Flowmaster, manufacturer of loud, hot-rod "performance exhaust systems," has won this month's Noisy Dozen award from Noise Free America. Flowmaster, based in Santa Rosa, California, proclaims that it manufactures "high performance mufflers and complete exhaust systems." It has hundreds of different exhaust systems that produce "an aggressive muscle car sound." Let's take up a collection & send them a case of ear-plugs made in CHINA. Besides they forgot about setting all the Toy-YO-YO's car alarms off as you idle by . - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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“these illegal hot rod exhausts increase noise levels, which produces chaos and confusion” Chaos and confusion is my motto… Did you read the other ones on their page? "This is as loud as a jet or disco--and it's blasting outside your window”. I didn’t ever think about comparing an alarm to a disco… Or a jet for that matter. Crazy Rusty www.crazyrusty.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Richard M. Pruett Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 4:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster Ruining America Low class Two letters...BS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster Ruining America Hey Guys, Tom sent this to me, and I thought that youd all get a kick out of it! -Tim Flowmaster: Destroying America With Thunder Flowmaster, manufacturer of loud, hot-rod "performance exhaust systems," has won this month's Noisy Dozen award from Noise Free America. Flowmaster, based in Santa Rosa, California, proclaims that it manufactures "high performance mufflers and complete exhaust systems." It has hundreds of different exhaust systems that produce "an aggressive muscle car sound." Flowmaster, manufacturer of loud, hot-rod "performance exhaust systems," has won this month's Noisy Dozen award from Noise Free America. Flowmaster, based in Santa Rosa, California, proclaims that it manufactures "high performance mufflers and complete exhaust systems." It has hundreds of different exhaust sytstems that produce "an aggressive muscle car sound." Mark Huber, Noise Free America's Communication Director, said that "Flowmaster promotes its trademarked product lines with names like 'American Thunder.' They use the smarmy appeal of false patriotism. They promise 'powerfully aggressive sound outside the vehicle' and 'the true tone of American muscle and performance.'" Huber also commented that "Flowmaster fans who succumb to this low-class advertising seem to think they are displaying their patriotism when they rumble through neighborhoods disturbing the peace and ruining property values, in vehicles covered with American flag decals. Actually, by their illegal actions, they desecrate the American flag and disrespect the people for whom it stands." In Virginia, like most states, it is illegal to drive cars equipped with these loud, rumbling products on public roads. Flowmaster aggressively markets these products, knowing that as soon as they are installed, the purchaser is breaking the law. An elementary school teacher in Richmond, Virginia, said, "I resent the fact that adolescent boys of all ages regularly drive their rumble mobiles next to my school. While I'm trying to have 'quiet time,' they're having 'hot rod time.' Hot rod drivers are damaging the ability of my students to learn--as well as harming their hearing and raising their blood pressure." This educator also stated that "people who install hot rod exhausts are breaking the law. State and local police departments should enforce the law. State vehicle inspectors should look for illegal hot rod equipment." This educator knows of local and state police offers who have Flowmasters on their personal vehicles. She fears they may be sympathetic to hot rod law breakers. Ted Rueter, director of Noise Free America, observed that "these illegal hot rod exhausts increase noise levels, which produces chaos and confusion. In this atmosphere, accidents increase, property values decline, and criminality flourishes. Flowmaster's noise machines harm the quality of American life." Noise Free America is a national organization devoted to opposing noise pollution. Their web site is at http://www.noisefree.org.
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Low class Two letters...BS -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:12 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster Ruining AmericaHey Guys,Tom sent this to me, and I thought that youd all get a kick out of it!-TimFlowmaster: Destroying America With Thunder Flowmaster, manufacturer of loud, hot-rod "performance exhaust systems," has won this month's Noisy Dozen award from Noise Free America. Flowmaster, based in Santa Rosa, California, proclaims that it manufactures "high performance mufflers and complete exhaust systems." It has hundreds of different exhaust systems that produce "an aggressive muscle car sound."Flowmaster, manufacturer of loud, hot-rod "performance exhaust systems," has won this month's Noisy Dozen award from Noise Free America. Flowmaster, based in Santa Rosa, California, proclaims that it manufactures "high performance mufflers and complete exhaust systems." It has hundreds of different exhaust sytstems that produce "an aggressive muscle car sound."Mark Huber, Noise Free America's Communication Director, said that "Flowmaster promotes its trademarked product lines with names like 'American Thunder.' They use the smarmy appeal of false patriotism. They promise 'powerfully aggressive sound outside the vehicle' and 'the true tone of American muscle and performance.'" Huber also commented that "Flowmaster fans who succumb to this low-class advertising seem to think they are displaying their patriotism when they rumble through neighborhoods disturbing the peace and ruining property values, in vehicles covered with American flag decals. Actually, by their illegal actions, they desecrate the American flag and disrespect the people for whom it stands."In Virginia, like most states, it is illegal to drive cars equipped with these loud, rumbling products on public roads. Flowmaster aggressively markets these products, knowing that as soon as they are installed, the purchaser is breaking the law.An elementary school teacher in Richmond, Virginia, said, "I resent the fact that adolescent boys of all ages regularly drive their rumble mobiles next to my school. While I'm trying to have 'quiet time,' they're having 'hot rod time.' Hot rod drivers are damaging the ability of my students to learn--as well as harming their hearing and raising their blood pressure."This educator also stated that "people who install hot rod exhausts are breaking the law. State and local police departments should enforce the law. State vehicle inspectors should look for illegal hot rod equipment." This educator knows of local and state police offers who have Flowmasters on their personal vehicles. She fears they may be sympathetic to hot rod law breakers.Ted Rueter, director of Noise Free America, observed that "these illegal hot rod exhausts increase noise levels, which produces chaos and confusion. In this atmosphere, accidents increase, property values decline, and criminality flourishes. Flowmaster's noise machines harm the quality of American life."Noise Free America is a national organization devoted to opposing noise pollution. Their web site is at http://www.noisefree.org.
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Why would the 4 inches matter? It is in the back. the wheel base is the same. Why would the exhaust be different at the H pipe? Larry (z)
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Thanks for checking Kurt. Its good to know. The guys at Flowmaster told me that the ones that go straight out are to match the Oldsmobile OEM look and the ones with the bend are meant to match the OEM look of the other GM makes, but only the 11720 tailpipes exit behind the tires. John Nasta -Original Message- Which tailpipes did you install? Based on the diagram from their web site, it looks like one set goes straight back and the other goes to the rear corners. The "bent" ones look too long to possibly exit behind the tires, but maybe that's just an inaccuracy in the diagram. John Nasta Hi John, I installed the straight tail pipes. Hr.. now you got me going. I better take a trip out to the garage to take a look at the 'extra' tail pipes... Okay, I'm back. My bad!!! The 'extra' tail pipes that I did not install are straight out as well, but turn down at the end, they do not exit behind the rear tire. There is no problem with the Flowmaster diagram,I was wrong. Sorry about the error. Kurt Ehrhardt 66 Chevelle Malibu 66 Chevelle SS ACES #1280 TC Gold #263 Enfield, CT
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Your're right, the number is 52553 for the series 50. My eyes were going buggy last night looking at the small font on the flowmaster pdf file. BTW - how do you like that flowmaster setup? Which tail pipe did you use? Tom Tomlinson '71 Malibu -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:19 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] flowmaster discountIn a message dated 11/20/02 11:25:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I assumed I needed to buy the 17107 kit (no mufflers) with theseries 50 mufflers, but that's a lot more $ than the 17119 kit.Tom TomlinsonYes, you are correct. I bought the 17107 and the 50 series flowmaster mufflers for my 66 Malibu. It has both the straight tail pipes and the ones that exit behind the rear tires. The 50 series Flo's I got were 52553's however, not 52558's. Could be a typo on their website or in the catalog I guess. I'd have to dig out the receipt, but I believe the 17107 kit was around $200 and each 50 series muffler was $70 or so.Kurt Ehrhardt66 Chevelle Malibu66 Chevelle SSACES #1280TC Gold #263Enfield, CT
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In a message dated 11/21/02 7:28:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which tailpipes did you install? Based on the diagram from their web site, it looks like one set goes straight back and the other goes to the rear corners. The "bent" ones look too long to possibly exit behind the tires, but maybe that's just an inaccuracy in the diagram. John Nasta Hi John, I installed the straight tail pipes. Hr.. now you got me going. I better take a trip out to the garage to take a look at the 'extra' tail pipes... Okay, I'm back. My bad!!! The 'extra' tail pipes that I did not install are straight out as well, but turn down at the end, they do not exit behind the rear tire. There is no problem with the Flowmaster diagram,I was wrong. Sorry about the error. Kurt Ehrhardt 66 Chevelle Malibu 66 Chevelle SS ACES #1280 TC Gold #263 Enfield, CT
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Which tailpipes did you install? Based on the diagram from their web site, it looks like one set goes straight back and the other goes to the rear corners. The "bent" ones look too long to possibly exit behind the tires, but maybe that's just an inaccuracy in the diagram. John Nasta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] flowmaster discount In a message dated 11/20/02 11:25:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I assumed I needed to buy the 17107 kit (no mufflers) with the series 50 mufflers, but that's a lot more $ than the 17119 kit. Tom Tomlinson Yes, you are correct. I bought the 17107 and the 50 series flowmaster mufflers for my 66 Malibu. It has both the straight tail pipes and the ones that exit behind the rear tires. The 50 series Flo's I got were 52553's however, not 52558's. Could be a typo on their website or in the catalog I guess. I'd have to dig out the receipt, but I believe the 17107 kit was around $200 and each 50 series muffler was $70 or so. Kurt Ehrhardt 66 Chevelle Malibu 66 Chevelle SS ACES #1280 TC Gold #263 Enfield, CT
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In a message dated 11/20/02 11:25:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I assumed I needed to buy the 17107 kit (no mufflers) with the series 50 mufflers, but that's a lot more $ than the 17119 kit. Tom Tomlinson Yes, you are correct. I bought the 17107 and the 50 series flowmaster mufflers for my 66 Malibu. It has both the straight tail pipes and the ones that exit behind the rear tires. The 50 series Flo's I got were 52553's however, not 52558's. Could be a typo on their website or in the catalog I guess. I'd have to dig out the receipt, but I believe the 17107 kit was around $200 and each 50 series muffler was $70 or so. Kurt Ehrhardt 66 Chevelle Malibu 66 Chevelle SS ACES #1280 TC Gold #263 Enfield, CT
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theflowmaster site has a tech 800 # you can call and speak to someone live for details flowmastermufflers.com Bob John Nasta wrote: > Very interesting. One thing I do know is that the El Camino / Wagon frame > has a 4" longer wheelbase. So, the 17119 would be too short for an El > Camino, and the part that is meant to go over the rear axle wouldn't clear. > The 17120 kit can be made to fit the 2dr Chevelle / Malibu by cutting 4" off > of the H-pipe. > > The H-pipes are different because they are different lengths. The tailpipes > are different because one is made to exit the side and the other the rear. > The 11720 tailpipes also come with stainless steel tips already welded on. > Therefore the only thing that the 11719 and 11720 have in common is the 50 > series mufflers. > > John Nasta > > -Original Message- > > John/All, > > I was looking at the Flowmaster site and found a couple of interesting > things. I would have thought that the kits from the engine back to the > over-the-axle pipe would be the same and only the extensions (tail > pipes) would be different. I put the 17119 kit on my 67 SS and had > pipes to either come out behind the rear tire (like factory) or extend > to the rear bumper. > > I wondered why the 17119 kit was so much less expensive than the 17120 > (Elky/Wagon) kit. It seems that ~almost none~ of the pipes or mufflers > are the same - not even the pipes going back to the rear axle. The > 17119 kit comes with 30 series mufflers (52533) while the 17120 kit > comes with 50 series mufflers (52558). The exhaust extension pipes, > H-pipe, over-the-axle, everything is different. Is there that much > difference between coupe/convertible and Elky/wagon frames that the > front half of the exhaust is so different? Guess I just never noticed > before. > > My first thought was the different mufflers made the difference in > price. Not so. The 52533 mufflers in the less expensive kit ($299) are > almost $30 more EACH (Summit price $109 for the muffler) than the 52558 > mufflers in the more expensive ($329) kit (Summit price of $80 for the > muffler). For $299 you get mufflers costing $218 and for $329 you get > mufflers costing $160. Strange (???). > > Dale McIntosh > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ok, I just called. The 17119 comes with 30 series mufflers. If you want 40 or 50 series, then you have to order the 17107 kit w/o mufflers, and buy the mufflers separately. It also does come with two sets of tailpipes; the ones that go straight out the back as well as the ones that go out toward the corners. The rear pipes have to be adjusted for the 68-72 cars due to the smaller wheelbase. The 17120 comes with 50 series mufflers and one set of tailpipes, which exit behind the rear tires. It is made to fit the 116-inch wheelbase of the 68-72 El Camino, wagon, and 4dr sedan, but can be cut down to fit the 112-inch and 115-inch wheelbase cars. John Nasta - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John, I know the 17119 kit I bought through Summit had both tailpipe options...behind the rear wheel or almost to the rear bumper. Who's to say what it is now, eh? I'd be interested to hear what they say about the two kits and not only the mufflers. If there are truly two kits that depend on the wheelbase and they are lumping all 64-72 A-bodies into the two kits, then there is more of a problem. Remember, the 68 and up have 112" vs. 116" (coupe to Elky/wagon), where the 67 at least is 115" for all models. Dale McIntosh > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Nasta > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:32 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] flowmaster discount > > It does seem like there is some conflicting info on their site. I'm going > to > call them tomorrow and verify it. I do believe they told me over the phone > that they both come w/ 50 series, and that's what the application guide > seems to suggest. The diagram that Dale posted a link to also shows 2 sets > of tailpipes, and I'm sure it does not come with 2 sets, so I have to > wonder > about the accuracy of that diagram. Anyway, we'll all know for sure in the > morning. > > John Nasta > > > > -Original Message- > > John: > First, I think the application guide lists the 52558 (5 inch 50 > series) > muffler on that line. Second, the kit diagram for the 17119 shows the > 52533 > (5 inch series 30) muffler. Third, if you look at the product page for the > series 30 muffler, it has a sound sample from a '65 Elky, kit #17119. It's > confusing because the application guide recommends the series 50 (the > black > highlight). I assumed I needed to buy the 17107 kit (no mufflers) with the > series 50 mufflers, but that's a lot more $ than the 17119 kit. > > Tom Tomlinson > '71 Malibu > > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It does seem like there is some conflicting info on their site. I'm going to call them tomorrow and verify it. I do believe they told me over the phone that they both come w/ 50 series, and that's what the application guide seems to suggest. The diagram that Dale posted a link to also shows 2 sets of tailpipes, and I'm sure it does not come with 2 sets, so I have to wonder about the accuracy of that diagram. Anyway, we'll all know for sure in the morning. John Nasta -Original Message- John: First, I think the application guide lists the 52558 (5 inch 50 series) muffler on that line. Second, the kit diagram for the 17119 shows the 52533 (5 inch series 30) muffler. Third, if you look at the product page for the series 30 muffler, it has a sound sample from a '65 Elky, kit #17119. It's confusing because the application guide recommends the series 50 (the black highlight). I assumed I needed to buy the 17107 kit (no mufflers) with the series 50 mufflers, but that's a lot more $ than the 17119 kit. Tom Tomlinson '71 Malibu - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John: First, I think the application guide lists the 52558 (5 inch 50 series) muffler on that line. Second, the kit diagram for the 17119 shows the 52533 (5 inch series 30) muffler. Third, if you look at the product page for the series 30 muffler, it has a sound sample from a '65 Elky, kit #17119. It's confusing because the application guide recommends the series 50 (the black highlight). I assumed I needed to buy the 17107 kit (no mufflers) with the series 50 mufflers, but that's a lot more $ than the 17119 kit. Tom Tomlinson '71 Malibu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Nasta Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] flowmaster discount Hi Dale, How are you finding which muffler comes with which kit? I checked out the links you posted, but I'm still wondering how you found them. When I cruise around their site, I don't see where the info is listed. I am looking at the Chevy application chart, and the 2 kits are listed on the same line. The 52456 (5-inch 50 series) is highlighted by a black block with white type, so I was assuming that this means that these are the mufflers that come with both kits. Also, I have been checking other catalogs and have seen the 17119 listed saying that it comes with 50 series mufflers. Also, in my phone calls with them, I do believe they said that both kits come with 50 series mufflers. I'll have to check it out tomorrow because they are closed for the day. John Nasta -Original Message- The wheelbase (for 1967's anyway) is 115" for all models. I think it's the 68 and up that the wagon/Elky is 4" longer (116" vs. 112") so for a pre-68 Elky or wagon, would you need the longer 17120 kit? Since the kits are really ~universal~ GM A-body from 64-72, it would behoove the buyer to be aware of the wheel base of their car before ordering to ensure they get a kit that will fit. The mufflers are not even the same - at least according to the FlowMaster website. The muffler numbers were taken straight off their website. I went to What's New and did a search on the two kits. The 17119 kit shows all the parts at http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/web10/openrd/showthread.php?s=3a1868eda897 63744ed542d02d49ba76&threadid=319&highlight=17119 The 17120 kit shows all its parts at http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/web10/openrd/showthread.php?s=3a1868ed a89763744ed542d02d49ba76&threadid=318&highlight=17120 clearly showing different mufflers. Let's see...the $30 less expensive kit ($299 vs. $329) has $60 more in muffler costs ($109x2=$218 vs. $80x2=$160) so the longer (albeit different) pipes and the stainless steel tips (which may be correct for 68 and up ?) cars costs $88 more in the long run? The $30 difference would make more sense if both kits had the same mufflers, but again, according to their website, they don't have the same mufflers. Am I missing something here or have the parts included in the kits been changed and the website (plus their .PDF catalog file) does not reflect what is really included? Dale > My first thought was the different mufflers made the difference in > price. Not so. The 52533 mufflers in the less expensive kit ($299) are > almost $30 more EACH (Summit price $109 for the muffler) than the 52558 > mufflers in the more expensive ($329) kit (Summit price of $80 for the > muffler). For $299 you get mufflers costing $218 and for $329 you get > mufflers costing $160. Strange (???). > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Nasta > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:37 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] flowmaster discount > > Very interesting. One thing I do know is that the El Camino / Wagon frame > has a 4" longer wheelbase. So, the 17119 would be too short for an El > Camino, and the part that is meant to go over the rear axle wouldn't > clear. > The 17120 kit can be made to fit the 2dr Chevelle / Malibu by cutting 4" > off > of the H-pipe. > > The H-pipes are different because they are different lengths. The > tailpipes > are different because one is made to exit the side and the other the rear. > The 11720 tailpipes also come with stainless steel tips already welded on. > Therefore the only thing that the 11719 and 11720 have in common is the 50 > series mufflers. > > John Nasta > > > > -Original Message- > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John, On their home page of http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/web10/indexf5.html, I clicked the ~It's New~ button on the left. From the nav bar at the top of the page I clicked ~search~. I input the American Thunder part number (from their .PDF file you mention) in the ~Search By Keyword~ block and it turns up one item found. You can either click the link to 17119 (with the paperclip) under the ~Thread~ column heading and it shows an exploded view of the parts that are in the 17119. Same was done with the 17120 kit. If you click the ~Kit Diagram Database~ link (instead of the part number found), it displays a list of all the kits and their components. I suppose it's possible that the designs and specs changed since these were drawn up, maybe the staff you spoke with just assumed one over the other, or (worse yet), the packaging and shipping dept assume one over the other. The posted date both kits is 10-15-2001 but I'm sure this is just the date the admin posted the information. I saved both pics for future reference. If you still can't find them on the web, let me know and I'll send them to you offline. They are only 25Kb each in .JPG format. Better yet, I'll send them to you offline anyway. Dale McIntosh - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Dale, How are you finding which muffler comes with which kit? I checked out the links you posted, but I'm still wondering how you found them. When I cruise around their site, I don't see where the info is listed. I am looking at the Chevy application chart, and the 2 kits are listed on the same line. The 52456 (5-inch 50 series) is highlighted by a black block with white type, so I was assuming that this means that these are the mufflers that come with both kits. Also, I have been checking other catalogs and have seen the 17119 listed saying that it comes with 50 series mufflers. Also, in my phone calls with them, I do believe they said that both kits come with 50 series mufflers. I'll have to check it out tomorrow because they are closed for the day. John Nasta -Original Message- The wheelbase (for 1967's anyway) is 115" for all models. I think it's the 68 and up that the wagon/Elky is 4" longer (116" vs. 112") so for a pre-68 Elky or wagon, would you need the longer 17120 kit? Since the kits are really ~universal~ GM A-body from 64-72, it would behoove the buyer to be aware of the wheel base of their car before ordering to ensure they get a kit that will fit. The mufflers are not even the same - at least according to the FlowMaster website. The muffler numbers were taken straight off their website. I went to What's New and did a search on the two kits. The 17119 kit shows all the parts at http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/web10/openrd/showthread.php?s=3a1868eda897 63744ed542d02d49ba76&threadid=319&highlight=17119 The 17120 kit shows all its parts at http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/web10/openrd/showthread.php?s=3a1868ed a89763744ed542d02d49ba76&threadid=318&highlight=17120 clearly showing different mufflers. Let's see...the $30 less expensive kit ($299 vs. $329) has $60 more in muffler costs ($109x2=$218 vs. $80x2=$160) so the longer (albeit different) pipes and the stainless steel tips (which may be correct for 68 and up ?) cars costs $88 more in the long run? The $30 difference would make more sense if both kits had the same mufflers, but again, according to their website, they don't have the same mufflers. Am I missing something here or have the parts included in the kits been changed and the website (plus their .PDF catalog file) does not reflect what is really included? Dale > My first thought was the different mufflers made the difference in > price. Not so. The 52533 mufflers in the less expensive kit ($299) are > almost $30 more EACH (Summit price $109 for the muffler) than the 52558 > mufflers in the more expensive ($329) kit (Summit price of $80 for the > muffler). For $299 you get mufflers costing $218 and for $329 you get > mufflers costing $160. Strange (???). > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Nasta > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:37 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] flowmaster discount > > Very interesting. One thing I do know is that the El Camino / Wagon frame > has a 4" longer wheelbase. So, the 17119 would be too short for an El > Camino, and the part that is meant to go over the rear axle wouldn't > clear. > The 17120 kit can be made to fit the 2dr Chevelle / Malibu by cutting 4" > off > of the H-pipe. > > The H-pipes are different because they are different lengths. The > tailpipes > are different because one is made to exit the side and the other the rear. > The 11720 tailpipes also come with stainless steel tips already welded on. > Therefore the only thing that the 11719 and 11720 have in common is the 50 > series mufflers. > > John Nasta > > > > -Original Message- > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The wheelbase (for 1967's anyway) is 115" for all models. I think it's the 68 and up that the wagon/Elky is 4" longer (116" vs. 112") so for a pre-68 Elky or wagon, would you need the longer 17120 kit? Since the kits are really ~universal~ GM A-body from 64-72, it would behoove the buyer to be aware of the wheel base of their car before ordering to ensure they get a kit that will fit. The mufflers are not even the same - at least according to the FlowMaster website. The muffler numbers were taken straight off their website. I went to What's New and did a search on the two kits. The 17119 kit shows all the parts at http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/web10/openrd/showthread.php?s=3a1868ed a89763744ed542d02d49ba76&threadid=319&highlight=17119 The 17120 kit shows all its parts at http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/web10/openrd/showthread.php?s=3a1868ed a89763744ed542d02d49ba76&threadid=318&highlight=17120 clearly showing different mufflers. Let's see...the $30 less expensive kit ($299 vs. $329) has $60 more in muffler costs ($109x2=$218 vs. $80x2=$160) so the longer (albeit different) pipes and the stainless steel tips (which may be correct for 68 and up ?) cars costs $88 more in the long run? The $30 difference would make more sense if both kits had the same mufflers, but again, according to their website, they don't have the same mufflers. Am I missing something here or have the parts included in the kits been changed and the website (plus their .PDF catalog file) does not reflect what is really included? Dale > My first thought was the different mufflers made the difference in > price. Not so. The 52533 mufflers in the less expensive kit ($299) are > almost $30 more EACH (Summit price $109 for the muffler) than the 52558 > mufflers in the more expensive ($329) kit (Summit price of $80 for the > muffler). For $299 you get mufflers costing $218 and for $329 you get > mufflers costing $160. Strange (???). > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Nasta > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:37 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] flowmaster discount > > Very interesting. One thing I do know is that the El Camino / Wagon frame > has a 4" longer wheelbase. So, the 17119 would be too short for an El > Camino, and the part that is meant to go over the rear axle wouldn't > clear. > The 17120 kit can be made to fit the 2dr Chevelle / Malibu by cutting 4" > off > of the H-pipe. > > The H-pipes are different because they are different lengths. The > tailpipes > are different because one is made to exit the side and the other the rear. > The 11720 tailpipes also come with stainless steel tips already welded on. > Therefore the only thing that the 11719 and 11720 have in common is the 50 > series mufflers. > > John Nasta > > > > -Original Message- > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Very interesting. One thing I do know is that the El Camino / Wagon frame has a 4" longer wheelbase. So, the 17119 would be too short for an El Camino, and the part that is meant to go over the rear axle wouldn't clear. The 17120 kit can be made to fit the 2dr Chevelle / Malibu by cutting 4" off of the H-pipe. The H-pipes are different because they are different lengths. The tailpipes are different because one is made to exit the side and the other the rear. The 11720 tailpipes also come with stainless steel tips already welded on. Therefore the only thing that the 11719 and 11720 have in common is the 50 series mufflers. John Nasta -Original Message- John/All, I was looking at the Flowmaster site and found a couple of interesting things. I would have thought that the kits from the engine back to the over-the-axle pipe would be the same and only the extensions (tail pipes) would be different. I put the 17119 kit on my 67 SS and had pipes to either come out behind the rear tire (like factory) or extend to the rear bumper. I wondered why the 17119 kit was so much less expensive than the 17120 (Elky/Wagon) kit. It seems that ~almost none~ of the pipes or mufflers are the same - not even the pipes going back to the rear axle. The 17119 kit comes with 30 series mufflers (52533) while the 17120 kit comes with 50 series mufflers (52558). The exhaust extension pipes, H-pipe, over-the-axle, everything is different. Is there that much difference between coupe/convertible and Elky/wagon frames that the front half of the exhaust is so different? Guess I just never noticed before. My first thought was the different mufflers made the difference in price. Not so. The 52533 mufflers in the less expensive kit ($299) are almost $30 more EACH (Summit price $109 for the muffler) than the 52558 mufflers in the more expensive ($329) kit (Summit price of $80 for the muffler). For $299 you get mufflers costing $218 and for $329 you get mufflers costing $160. Strange (???). Dale McIntosh - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John/All, I was looking at the Flowmaster site and found a couple of interesting things. I would have thought that the kits from the engine back to the over-the-axle pipe would be the same and only the extensions (tail pipes) would be different. I put the 17119 kit on my 67 SS and had pipes to either come out behind the rear tire (like factory) or extend to the rear bumper. I wondered why the 17119 kit was so much less expensive than the 17120 (Elky/Wagon) kit. It seems that ~almost none~ of the pipes or mufflers are the same - not even the pipes going back to the rear axle. The 17119 kit comes with 30 series mufflers (52533) while the 17120 kit comes with 50 series mufflers (52558). The exhaust extension pipes, H-pipe, over-the-axle, everything is different. Is there that much difference between coupe/convertible and Elky/wagon frames that the front half of the exhaust is so different? Guess I just never noticed before. My first thought was the different mufflers made the difference in price. Not so. The 52533 mufflers in the less expensive kit ($299) are almost $30 more EACH (Summit price $109 for the muffler) than the 52558 mufflers in the more expensive ($329) kit (Summit price of $80 for the muffler). For $299 you get mufflers costing $218 and for $329 you get mufflers costing $160. Strange (???). Dale McIntosh - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No, I won't be putting headers on it. All I really want is to get it on the road and drive it. And thanks to everybody who responded. I got a private email from somebody who is mad at me for not publicly thanking him for responding. He said it "ruined his day". I hope you have a better day today. John Nasta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster install John GO ALL THE WAY !! PUT SOME HEADERS ON THAT BEAST AND LET HER RIP Opp, thinking out loud again. Bill C Ct - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John GO ALL THE WAY !! PUT SOME HEADERS ON THAT BEAST AND LET HER RIP Opp, thinking out loud again. Bill C Ct - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks Dale, That should not be a problem. I have two brand new pipes that come down from the x-mans and end under the floorboards, so I have plenty of good pipe to connect to. I guess in the true spirit of a "typical driveway installation" I should use a coffee can and 2 clamps to make a patch :) John Nasta -Original Message- It shouldn't be a problem, just cut the length to fit to your stock exhaust pipe. My point was that it's not a DIRECT REPLACEMENT all the way to the exhaust manifold AND you'll have to weld or band clamp the pipes together which I consider not a typical driveway installation like factory style exhaust. Dale - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It shouldn't be a problem, just cut the length to fit to your stock exhaust pipe. My point was that it's not a DIRECT REPLACEMENT all the way to the exhaust manifold AND you'll have to weld or band clamp the pipes together which I consider not a typical driveway installation like factory style exhaust. Dale -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net] On Behalf Of John Nasta Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 5:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster install Hmmm, Leo also mentioned headers. I don't have headers. Just stock x-mans. Is that going to be a problem? I guess I'll have to call Flowmaster again tomorrow and double-check. John Nasta -Original Message- I had an American Thunder exhaust system installed on my 67 and, while not a "bolt-on" job that can be done in the driveway easily, any competent muffler shop should be able to handle it. The kit assumes headers so you still have to weld up the pipes to the collector reducer. I have a short .WAV file at http://bull-enterprises.com/dalesplace/p852.wav if you'd like to hear it. Dale McIntosh - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hmmm, Leo also mentioned headers. I don't have headers. Just stock x-mans. Is that going to be a problem? I guess I'll have to call Flowmaster again tomorrow and double-check. John Nasta -Original Message- I had an American Thunder exhaust system installed on my 67 and, while not a "bolt-on" job that can be done in the driveway easily, any competent muffler shop should be able to handle it. The kit assumes headers so you still have to weld up the pipes to the collector reducer. I have a short .WAV file at http://bull-enterprises.com/dalesplace/p852.wav if you'd like to hear it. Dale McIntosh - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I had an American Thunder exhaust system installed on my 67 and, while not a "bolt-on" job that can be done in the driveway easily, any competent muffler shop should be able to handle it. The kit assumes headers so you still have to weld up the pipes to the collector reducer. I have a short .WAV file at http://bull-enterprises.com/dalesplace/p852.wav if you'd like to hear it. Dale McIntosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net] On Behalf Of John Nasta Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 1:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster install Thanks Tom, Yeah, I see that kit and I can get a deal on it myself directly from Flowmaster. The nice thing about the El Camino kit (17120) is that it comes with the stainless exhaust tips and is pre-bent to exit behind the rear wheel wells. All nicey nicey when done. I guess I'll go that route. It's probably the most efficient and probably even less expensive than buying the mufflers and then paying a shop to bend pipes (and I won't have to worry about trusting some shop mechanic with my newly restored car). Thanks for the info. I'm glad to hear that it fits well and installs easily. John Nasta -Original Message- John Flowmaster makes a kit you can bolt directly up. It's called the American Thinder System. It's a 2.5" H-pipe setup, you can get it with or w/o the mufflers. i have it on my 70 and it fit very nice. I had the whole thing installed in about an hour. Any good muffler shop can do the job if you take them the new mufflers. It may be cheaper if you get the shop to get them, ya never know, they may get them at wholesale cost. I ordered my setup from Jeg's and did it on the weekend in my garage. Tom - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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For what its worth, I installed the Flowmaster kit for the El Camino on my 70. I installed it in my driveway and it fit like a dream. The H pipe and all pipes are above the frame rails, dont drag. The two pipes that connect to the headers are adjustable and need to be cut to fit. I used a regular pipe cutter for plumbing pipe, three wheels that role around the pipe to be cut. I used the band type clamps from Dynomax. The system came with all hardware and hangers to install. I substituted the Dynomax clamps for the regular muffler clamps. Other than that you got everything needed to install. Leo - Original Message - From: "John Nasta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:01 AM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster install > Thanks Tom, > > Yeah, I see that kit and I can get a deal on it myself directly from > Flowmaster. The nice thing about the El Camino kit (17120) is that it comes > with the stainless exhaust tips and is pre-bent to exit behind the rear > wheel wells. All nicey nicey when done. I guess I'll go that route. It's > probably the most efficient and probably even less expensive than buying the > mufflers and then paying a shop to bend pipes (and I won't have to worry > about trusting some shop mechanic with my newly restored car). > > Thanks for the info. I'm glad to hear that it fits well and installs easily. > > John Nasta > > > -Original Message- > > > John > > Flowmaster makes a kit you can bolt directly up. It's called the American > Thinder System. It's a 2.5" H-pipe setup, you can get it with or w/o the > mufflers. i have it on my 70 and it fit very nice. I had the whole thing > installed in about an hour. Any good muffler shop can do the job if you > take > them the new mufflers. It may be cheaper if you get the shop to get them, > ya > never know, they may get them at wholesale cost. I ordered my setup from > Jeg's and did it on the weekend in my garage. > > Tom > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks Tom, Yeah, I see that kit and I can get a deal on it myself directly from Flowmaster. The nice thing about the El Camino kit (17120) is that it comes with the stainless exhaust tips and is pre-bent to exit behind the rear wheel wells. All nicey nicey when done. I guess I'll go that route. It's probably the most efficient and probably even less expensive than buying the mufflers and then paying a shop to bend pipes (and I won't have to worry about trusting some shop mechanic with my newly restored car). Thanks for the info. I'm glad to hear that it fits well and installs easily. John Nasta -Original Message- John Flowmaster makes a kit you can bolt directly up. It's called the American Thinder System. It's a 2.5" H-pipe setup, you can get it with or w/o the mufflers. i have it on my 70 and it fit very nice. I had the whole thing installed in about an hour. Any good muffler shop can do the job if you take them the new mufflers. It may be cheaper if you get the shop to get them, ya never know, they may get them at wholesale cost. I ordered my setup from Jeg's and did it on the weekend in my garage. Tom - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John, thats what i have done in the past (brought my own muffs in) i had one shop complain that he was not going to make any money on the mufflers if i did that, BUT THEN I JUST WENT SOMEWHERE ELSE. if you are worried about flow i would go to a regular fab shop who could put madrel(? spelling) bent stuff on for you- i have seen some pretty restricted stuff come out of muffler shops (like on my v8 s10). there are also diffrent thickness of pipe and kinds too, aluminized, stainless (this does not rust but i heard it turns brown from the heat and looks like rust) also some swear by h- pipes. my engine builder told me that he has found they just cut down the noise a little, no real power gains. (??) and also they hang down lower and make removing the trans driveshaft a pain- but they could use fittings here too for that. just some ideas to get you thinking, i/m not sure if all my info is correct but this is what i have been told. H - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John Flowmaster makes a kit you can bolt directly up. It's called the American Thinder System. It's a 2.5" H-pipe setup, you can get it with or w/o the mufflers. i have it on my 70 and it fit very nice. I had the whole thing installed in about an hour. Any good muffler shop can do the job if you take them the new mufflers. It may be cheaper if you get the shop to get them, ya never know, they may get them at wholesale cost. I ordered my setup from Jeg's and did it on the weekend in my garage. Tom - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ?
My exhaust pipes are not from Flowmaster, but they
are aluminized. Pretty much any muffler shop you go to will stock
aluminized exhaust tubing. I just bought the mufflers (2.5") from
Flowmaster and had a local shop bend the pipe and do the
installation. With that said, the aluminized pipes are in good shape,
no signs of rust, etc. FYI, instead of carrying the exhaust tubing all the
way over the rear axle to the back of the car, I'm just using 45 degree turn
downs (angled slightly outward) just in front of the rear axle. It's
definitely louder that way, and you have to deal with a little more interior
noise... But for me, the sound is worth it.
Galen
- Original Message -
From:
Cecil "Steve"
Martin
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:52
AM
Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster -
stainless ?
Galen,
Are the pipes staying free from rust as well? Or did you not buy the
pipes from them as well? I was wondering what “alumninized” steel pipes would look like after taking high
heat and use.
Sounds like you got
your money’s worth on the mufflers for sure after 6 years and still in good
shape. Seems to be a lot of happy
customers.
Dale makes a good
point. If they are of high enough quality to where they last a long time, I
guess you don’t need stainless unless you are doing mostly
shows.
Thanks to Larry for
his buddy’s expert opinion. Sounds logical, and you
know us guys like logic….except sometimes when buying things for our cars that
we WANT ;)
Well that about makes
my decision on exhaust system, except what to do with headers. I want some
kind of coating for the headers I need to buy for my 396.
Steve
-Original
Message-From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Galen and Melissa
LoveSent:
Monday, March 04,
2002 10:17
PMTo:
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stainless ?
As far as longevity is concerned,
I've had Flowmasters on my Chevelle for about 6 years now, and they aren't
showing any signs of rust. I live in
Kansas, so they
get exposed to rain, dirt, snow, and salt on a routine
basis.
Galen
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From: 396guy
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Monday, March 04,
2002 8:47
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[Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ?
They're not
stainless at that price. Sure they'd look better and last longer but
for the sound (my first set of Flowmasters), it's a pretty good deal to
me. If you're building a car to show and not drive much, even
springing for an HPC/JetHot/etc coating wouldn't be out of line. I'm
sure there's someone out there who makes stainless pipes or could make
them...just not my market right now.
Dale
-Original
Message-From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cecil "Steve"
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Monday, March
04, 2002 8:16
PMTo:
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stainless ?
Dale,
The pipes aren’t stainless are they? Wouldn’t stainless last longer
and look better?
Do
any other companies make a stainless “kit”? I like the kit concept.
Steve
---
I'm quite
happy with the Flowmaster American Thunder kit I used in my 67 SS. I
think they came with a 30 series muffler but it's different than the
standalone 30 series I believe. Had to be for the difference in
price. The kit was $290 w/mufflers (2.5") compared to the pipe kit
at $199...making the mufflers $100 for the pair. Designed for header
equipped cars, they came complete with all pipes and hangars from the
headers back. Not too loud on the highway and no "drone" at
speed. Part #17119.
Dale
RE: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ? - Aluminized
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I just finished the installation of the flowmaster system on my 68 Malibu sunday, fit was great !! I installed coated shortie headers (loads of ground clearance). I haven't started the car yet but I bought it because you guys on the list said it was a great system. Btw, when I welded the tubes from the headers to the system I burned off some the coating, what did you do about it, did you leave it the welds uncoated or did you coat/paint it in any way ? Welcome to new ones on the list Kind Regards André -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of richard a schaefer Sent: 5. marts 2002 18:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ? - Aluminized Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Galen I've had the aluminized flowmaster exhaust system on my el camino for over 50K miles (maybe 8 yrs). Its still solid. No rust or discoloration in either the pipes or mufflers.I did coat the inside of the pipes with POR15 when they were new. I had headers ceramic coated by Airborne 20K miles ago and its held up well. Ceramic coating is an available option now on most new headers. I'd get it. rick On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:52:13 -0500 "Cecil \"Steve\" Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Galen, > Are the pipes staying free from rust as well? Or did you > not > buy the pipes from them as well? I was wondering what "alumninized" > steel pipes would look like after taking high heat and use. > > Sounds like you got your money's worth on the mufflers for sure > after 6 > years and still in good shape. Seems to be a lot of happy customers. > > Dale makes a good point. If they are of high enough quality to where > they last a long time, I guess you don't need stainless unless you > are > doing mostly shows. > > Thanks to Larry for his buddy's expert opinion. Sounds logical, and > you > know us guys like logic..except sometimes when buying things for our > cars that we WANT ;) > > Well that about makes my decision on exhaust system, except what to > do > with headers. I want some kind of coating for the headers I need to > buy > for my 396. > > > > Steve > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Galen > and > Melissa Love > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:17 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ? > > As far as longevity is concerned, I've had Flowmasters on my > Chevelle > for about 6 years now, and they aren't showing any signs of rust. I > live in Kansas, so they get exposed to rain, dirt, snow, and salt on > a > routine basis. > > Galen > - Original Message - > From: 396guy <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:47 PM > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ? > > They're not stainless at that price. Sure they'd look better and > last > longer but for the sound (my first set of Flowmasters), it's a > pretty > good deal to me. If you're building a car to show and not drive > much, > even springing for an HPC/JetHot/etc coating wouldn't be out of > line. > I'm sure there's someone out there who makes stainless pipes or > could > make them...just not my market right now. > > Dale > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cecil > "Steve" > Martin > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:16 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ? > Dale, > The pipes aren't stainless are they? Wouldn't stainless > last > longer and look better? > > Do any other companies make a stainless "kit"? I like the kit > concept. > > Steve > > > --- > I'm quite happy with the Flowmaster American Thunder kit I used in > my 67 > SS. I think they came with a 30 series muffler but it's different > than > the standalone 30 series I believe. Had to be for the difference in > price. The kit was $290 w/mufflers (2.5") compared to the pipe kit > at > $199...making the mufflers $100 for the pair. Designed for header > equipped cars, they came complete with all pipes and hangars from > the > headers back. Not too
Re: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ? - Aluminized
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Galen I've had the aluminized flowmaster exhaust system on my el camino for over 50K miles (maybe 8 yrs). Its still solid. No rust or discoloration in either the pipes or mufflers.I did coat the inside of the pipes with POR15 when they were new. I had headers ceramic coated by Airborne 20K miles ago and its held up well. Ceramic coating is an available option now on most new headers. I'd get it. rick On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:52:13 -0500 "Cecil \"Steve\" Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Galen, > Are the pipes staying free from rust as well? Or did you > not > buy the pipes from them as well? I was wondering what "alumninized" > steel pipes would look like after taking high heat and use. > > Sounds like you got your money's worth on the mufflers for sure > after 6 > years and still in good shape. Seems to be a lot of happy customers. > > Dale makes a good point. If they are of high enough quality to where > they last a long time, I guess you don't need stainless unless you > are > doing mostly shows. > > Thanks to Larry for his buddy's expert opinion. Sounds logical, and > you > know us guys like logic..except sometimes when buying things for our > cars that we WANT ;) > > Well that about makes my decision on exhaust system, except what to > do > with headers. I want some kind of coating for the headers I need to > buy > for my 396. > > > > Steve > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Galen > and > Melissa Love > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:17 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ? > > As far as longevity is concerned, I've had Flowmasters on my > Chevelle > for about 6 years now, and they aren't showing any signs of rust. I > live in Kansas, so they get exposed to rain, dirt, snow, and salt on > a > routine basis. > > Galen > - Original Message - > From: 396guy <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:47 PM > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ? > > They're not stainless at that price. Sure they'd look better and > last > longer but for the sound (my first set of Flowmasters), it's a > pretty > good deal to me. If you're building a car to show and not drive > much, > even springing for an HPC/JetHot/etc coating wouldn't be out of > line. > I'm sure there's someone out there who makes stainless pipes or > could > make them...just not my market right now. > > Dale > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cecil > "Steve" > Martin > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:16 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ? > Dale, > The pipes aren't stainless are they? Wouldn't stainless > last > longer and look better? > > Do any other companies make a stainless "kit"? I like the kit > concept. > > Steve > > > --- > I'm quite happy with the Flowmaster American Thunder kit I used in > my 67 > SS. I think they came with a 30 series muffler but it's different > than > the standalone 30 series I believe. Had to be for the difference in > price. The kit was $290 w/mufflers (2.5") compared to the pipe kit > at > $199...making the mufflers $100 for the pair. Designed for header > equipped cars, they came complete with all pipes and hangars from > the > headers back. Not too loud on the highway and no "drone" at speed. > Part #17119. > > Dale > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ?
Galen, Are the pipes staying free from rust as well? Or did you not buy the pipes from them as well? I was wondering what “alumninized” steel pipes would look like after taking high heat and use. Sounds like you got your money’s worth on the mufflers for sure after 6 years and still in good shape. Seems to be a lot of happy customers. Dale makes a good point. If they are of high enough quality to where they last a long time, I guess you don’t need stainless unless you are doing mostly shows. Thanks to Larry for his buddy’s expert opinion. Sounds logical, and you know us guys like logic….except sometimes when buying things for our cars that we WANT ;) Well that about makes my decision on exhaust system, except what to do with headers. I want some kind of coating for the headers I need to buy for my 396. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Galen and Melissa Love Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ? As far as longevity is concerned, I've had Flowmasters on my Chevelle for about 6 years now, and they aren't showing any signs of rust. I live in Kansas, so they get exposed to rain, dirt, snow, and salt on a routine basis. Galen - Original Message - From: 396guy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:47 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ? They're not stainless at that price. Sure they'd look better and last longer but for the sound (my first set of Flowmasters), it's a pretty good deal to me. If you're building a car to show and not drive much, even springing for an HPC/JetHot/etc coating wouldn't be out of line. I'm sure there's someone out there who makes stainless pipes or could make them...just not my market right now. Dale -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cecil "Steve" Martin Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ? Dale, The pipes aren’t stainless are they? Wouldn’t stainless last longer and look better? Do any other companies make a stainless “kit”? I like the kit concept. Steve --- I'm quite happy with the Flowmaster American Thunder kit I used in my 67 SS. I think they came with a 30 series muffler but it's different than the standalone 30 series I believe. Had to be for the difference in price. The kit was $290 w/mufflers (2.5") compared to the pipe kit at $199...making the mufflers $100 for the pair. Designed for header equipped cars, they came complete with all pipes and hangars from the headers back. Not too loud on the highway and no "drone" at speed. Part #17119. Dale
Re: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ?
My buddy in the exhaust business says aluminized will last just as long as stainless and unless you got a diesel it aint worth it. Larry (z)
Re: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ?
As far as longevity is concerned, I've had Flowmasters on my Chevelle for about 6 years now, and they aren't showing any signs of rust. I live in Kansas, so they get exposed to rain, dirt, snow, and salt on a routine basis. Galen - Original Message - From: 396guy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:47 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ? They're not stainless at that price. Sure they'd look better and last longer but for the sound (my first set of Flowmasters), it's a pretty good deal to me. If you're building a car to show and not drive much, even springing for an HPC/JetHot/etc coating wouldn't be out of line. I'm sure there's someone out there who makes stainless pipes or could make them...just not my market right now. Dale -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cecil "Steve" MartinSent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:16 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ? Dale, The pipes aren’t stainless are they? Wouldn’t stainless last longer and look better? Do any other companies make a stainless “kit”? I like the kit concept. Steve --- I'm quite happy with the Flowmaster American Thunder kit I used in my 67 SS. I think they came with a 30 series muffler but it's different than the standalone 30 series I believe. Had to be for the difference in price. The kit was $290 w/mufflers (2.5") compared to the pipe kit at $199...making the mufflers $100 for the pair. Designed for header equipped cars, they came complete with all pipes and hangars from the headers back. Not too loud on the highway and no "drone" at speed. Part #17119. Dale
RE: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ?
They're not stainless at that price. Sure they'd look better and last longer but for the sound (my first set of Flowmasters), it's a pretty good deal to me. If you're building a car to show and not drive much, even springing for an HPC/JetHot/etc coating wouldn't be out of line. I'm sure there's someone out there who makes stainless pipes or could make them...just not my market right now. Dale -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cecil "Steve" MartinSent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:16 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster - stainless ? Dale, The pipes aren’t stainless are they? Wouldn’t stainless last longer and look better? Do any other companies make a stainless “kit”? I like the kit concept. Steve --- I'm quite happy with the Flowmaster American Thunder kit I used in my 67 SS. I think they came with a 30 series muffler but it's different than the standalone 30 series I believe. Had to be for the difference in price. The kit was $290 w/mufflers (2.5") compared to the pipe kit at $199...making the mufflers $100 for the pair. Designed for header equipped cars, they came complete with all pipes and hangars from the headers back. Not too loud on the highway and no "drone" at speed. Part #17119. Dale
RE: [Chevelle-List] Flowmaster exhaust
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Hi guys, I have installed the flowmaster exhaust system on my '68, but I cant figuere out how to attach the rear tube hangers, anyone that could help me ? maybe with some pictures ? Thanks ! André _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
