OT: Programming under IOS

2001-03-30 Thread Tan Chee Leong

Hi,

First, my apologies if the question makes no sense at all as I am just =
evaluating it's possibility.  I am also fairly new to CISCO stuff (only =
got my CCNA a month ago) so your advise on this will be very helpful =
although it is off-topic.

I am thinking of writing some small programs within the IOS platform =
such that it can communicate with an external host, using socket =
programming if you like.  I am interested in obtaining the following:

1.basic configuration.  I know it's contained in the startup-config =
and with snmp turned on, this information can be retrieved.  However, =
what if snmp is not turned on?  Is it possible, without going to all the =
routers to enable snmp, to still obtain this information from a host =
using tcp? =20
2.route table.  Particularly I am interested in studying the dynamic =
changes of the route table over some period of time.  Hence if the =
router can periodically send information to some internal host within =
the network, a collection of route tables can be obtained.

If in the end I have to do my own programming, it will lead on to =
several other questions:=20

1.is it feasible in the first place, given that CISCO IOS is =
proprietory stuff? =20
2.where can I get programming info?  any recommendations?

Really appreciate if you can help me on this.

Cheers,
Chee Leong


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Console access

2001-03-30 Thread Omer Ehsan Dar

Hi all,
Can we stop access to the console port from VTY session or telnet.
Thanks
Omer

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actual speed (BW) on a Frame-Relay circuit

2001-03-30 Thread CCNA

this is only if I know that the link is a T1. But what if I don't know the
speed of the link ? Is there a way to check this out.

Regards,

Tarry


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Subject: Re: actual speed (BW) on a Frame-Relay circuit


This is actually more complicated than you think.  :-)  Which do you
want to know, the speed of the link or the available bandwidth?  If it's
the latter, what do you mean by available?  Do you want to know the CIR?
 Or how much you can burst over your CIR?

Let's say you have a frame relay T-1.  The speed of that link is always
1.544 Mbps.  If you send data across that link, regardless of the CIR,
the data is travelling at 1.544 Mbps!  Because it's frame relay, you
might be paying for a certain CIR which is a statistical parameter that
sometimes doesn't have much to do with how much data you can push across
that link.

In fact, if your provider isn't experiencing any congestion, then CIR
doesn't mean squat as far as I'm concerned.  Whenever you exceed your
CIR, frames in the cloud can be marked as Discard Eligible.  All that
means is that during times of congestion, those get dropped first.  If
there's no congestion, DE status doesn't mean much.

So, to answer your question...  The speed of the link is whatever your
link speed is.  g  The CIR can usually be seen by using the command
"show frame-relay map".

I hope that helps and didn't just confuse the issue more.  I may have
been imprecise, and if I have others will surely correct me.

Regards,
John

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/29/01 6:57:53 AM 
Hi,

is there a command to check the actual speed (BW) or max BW used on a
Frame-Relay circuit.

Thanks,

Tarry.

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Re: actual speed (BW) on a Frame-Relay circuit

2001-03-30 Thread Z

Call your telco, they have all the information that was discussed (port
speed, access speed, CIR) That's really the easiest answer...cheers.

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Subject: actual speed (BW) on a Frame-Relay circuit


 this is only if I know that the link is a T1. But what if I don't know the
 speed of the link ? Is there a way to check this out.

 Regards,

 Tarry


 -Original Message-
 From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 5:27 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: actual speed (BW) on a Frame-Relay circuit


 This is actually more complicated than you think.  :-)  Which do you
 want to know, the speed of the link or the available bandwidth?  If it's
 the latter, what do you mean by available?  Do you want to know the CIR?
  Or how much you can burst over your CIR?

 Let's say you have a frame relay T-1.  The speed of that link is always
 1.544 Mbps.  If you send data across that link, regardless of the CIR,
 the data is travelling at 1.544 Mbps!  Because it's frame relay, you
 might be paying for a certain CIR which is a statistical parameter that
 sometimes doesn't have much to do with how much data you can push across
 that link.

 In fact, if your provider isn't experiencing any congestion, then CIR
 doesn't mean squat as far as I'm concerned.  Whenever you exceed your
 CIR, frames in the cloud can be marked as Discard Eligible.  All that
 means is that during times of congestion, those get dropped first.  If
 there's no congestion, DE status doesn't mean much.

 So, to answer your question...  The speed of the link is whatever your
 link speed is.  g  The CIR can usually be seen by using the command
 "show frame-relay map".

 I hope that helps and didn't just confuse the issue more.  I may have
 been imprecise, and if I have others will surely correct me.

 Regards,
 John

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/29/01 6:57:53 AM 
 Hi,

 is there a command to check the actual speed (BW) or max BW used on a
 Frame-Relay circuit.

 Thanks,

 Tarry.

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which hop will be taken by traceroute

2001-03-30 Thread pratik shah


I have some trace of the route in a network. 
Here every stage it is giving multiple paths. How
would I know that which hope is actually taken at each
stage ?
thanks
pratik

  1 16.250.193.161 0 msec
16.250.193.194 0 msec
16.250.193.162 0 msec
  2 16.250.2.61 236 msec
16.250.2.113 0 msec
16.250.1.153 0 msec
  3 16.250.65.40 236 msec 240 msec
16.250.2.61 236 msec

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Re: OT: Programming under IOS

2001-03-30 Thread Ryan O'Connell

There is no porvision for running code other than the IOS itself on a Cisco
router. (Except you can run Linux on 2500s, but that's probably not what
you're after)

On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 04:14:43PM -0800, Tan Chee Leong wrote:
 Hi,
 
 First, my apologies if the question makes no sense at all as I am just =
 evaluating it's possibility.  I am also fairly new to CISCO stuff (only =
 got my CCNA a month ago) so your advise on this will be very helpful =
 although it is off-topic.
 
 I am thinking of writing some small programs within the IOS platform =
 such that it can communicate with an external host, using socket =
 programming if you like.  I am interested in obtaining the following:
 
 1.basic configuration.  I know it's contained in the startup-config =
 and with snmp turned on, this information can be retrieved.  However, =
 what if snmp is not turned on?  Is it possible, without going to all the =
 routers to enable snmp, to still obtain this information from a host =
 using tcp? =20
 2.route table.  Particularly I am interested in studying the dynamic =
 changes of the route table over some period of time.  Hence if the =
 router can periodically send information to some internal host within =
 the network, a collection of route tables can be obtained.
 
 If in the end I have to do my own programming, it will lead on to =
 several other questions:=20
 
 1.is it feasible in the first place, given that CISCO IOS is =
 proprietory stuff? =20
 2.where can I get programming info?  any recommendations?
 
 Really appreciate if you can help me on this.
 
 Cheers,
 Chee Leong
 
 
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Re: AGS+(DTE) to 2523(DCE) back-to-back

2001-03-30 Thread Marty Hawley

Hi,

I've got a AGS+ connected to a 2501 and 2502.  The cross over cables you are 
using, which side is DTE and which side is DCE.  This matters because on the 
DCE side of the cable, you have to add a clock rate statement for the link 
to work.  My cables, the AGS side is DCE and the 2500 side is DTE, so I did 
have to fiddle with the jumpers on the AGS (sorry, its been about a year 
since I did it, so I don't remember exactly which jumpers I moved).

I will post my configs so you can see how I have mine configured.  If you 
need more help, let me know.


AGS+

interface Serial0
ip address 192.168.2.2 255.255.255.252
clockrate 56000

2501

interface Serial1
description Serial to AGS
ip address 192.168.2.1 255.255.255.252

Marty


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Subject: AGS+(DTE) to 2523(DCE) back-to-back
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:56:40 -0600

Hi,

For 3months I have been trynig to have my AGS+(DTE) talk to my 2523(DCE).
I am at my fourth back-to-back cable.
The 2523 is sending keepalives but the AGS+ is not.
AGS+ is DTE BY DEFAULT, so I didn't tinker with its jumpers.
Have someone ever made an AGS+(DTE) talk to a 25xx(DCE)?

Please help me.


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Re: which hop will be taken by traceroute

2001-03-30 Thread Ryan O'Connell

On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:29:10AM -0800, pratik shah wrote:
 
 I have some trace of the route in a network. 
 Here every stage it is giving multiple paths. How
 would I know that which hope is actually taken at each
 stage ?
 thanks
 pratik
 
   1 16.250.193.161 0 msec
 16.250.193.194 0 msec
 16.250.193.162 0 msec
   2 16.250.2.61 236 msec
 16.250.2.113 0 msec
 16.250.1.153 0 msec
   3 16.250.65.40 236 msec 240 msec
 16.250.2.61 236 msec

All the hops listed are used and are cycled through either no a per-packet
or per-destination basis, depending on the router configs. Looks like you
have multiple equal-cost paths to the destination.

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Re: 1720 Router question

2001-03-30 Thread Nurudeen Aderinto

Dear John,

All you need doing is NAT. You can read more on
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/556/index.shtml

Regards,

Nurudeen
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 help me with...what I
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 issues geting it to
 work.. heres the situation.  I have a network that has
 some published IP's
 and we want to assign one of those to a router and
 have all traffic to that
 address be forwarded to another router inside our
 network.  The router that
 I have is a 1720.. any ideas of how this can be done??
 I've looked at ip
 forwarding but it looks like I can only forward UDP
 not IP .. any help
 appreciated.. many thanks!!

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Cisco Systems prices

2001-03-30 Thread IST . EPNL-CT-PPC-DAT

Does anybody in the group have the price information of the following
items?

1.  Cisco 2621 router

2.  Catalyst 2900 switch

3.  24 port 3Com hub

4.  16 port 3com hub

5.  Cisco 2501 router


I will appreciate any quick response from any member.

Cheers,


Preye.

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Re: banner problem

2001-03-30 Thread Marty Hawley

What di dyou use for your starting delimiting character?  Does that 
character appear again in your banner?  For example, if you use the letter C 
as your starting delemiting character, your banner will stop as soon as it 
reaches the next C (if you put say the word Cisco in your banner, it will 
stop there).

Hope this helps,

Marty

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DIVnbsp;/DIV
DIVnbsp; I setup banner on one of the router, when I login in, it only 
displays half the banner, but/DIV
DIVin the configuation I have full banner. I checked process utilization 
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RE: using cisco cd without CD????

2001-03-30 Thread Herold Heiko

Install normaly from the first cd.
Edit search.ini (in the installation dir for recent version, in
\(windows|winnt) for older ones IIRC), you will find something like
SourceDrive=E:
PubDir=/cdpub

(if E: is your cdrom drive). Change it to
SourceDrive=C:\CiscoCd\2
PubDir=/cdpub

and copy the whole second CD to or wherever you did specify. Note: Do
not prepend the path to PubDir, append to SourceDrive or it will not
work (for me at least). Also, keep that path rather short since there
are very deep paths already on the cd, I remember having some problems
for a couple of files sometimes... however those weren't very important
for me so I just did not copy them. For the copy I'd avoid Windows
explorer ecc, but use (on winnt)
xcopy e:\*.* c:\CiscoCD\2\ /e /v /c /i /q /h
or something similar, should be rather faster.

Heiko

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-Original Message-
From: Hugo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Subject: Re: using cisco cd without CD


I would like to copy the CD to my HD so I don't have to take 
my external CD
drive with my laptop.
Does anyone know how to do this?
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 Sounds like it was installed on a network drive.  Get a hold 
of the first
 disk in the two disk documentation set and reinstall it to 
your local hard
 drive.   It does not matter if you are connected to the 
Internet or not.
 There are a few links on the disk that do point to CCO 
though, just avoid
 them.  99.9% of the docs will be available directly from the CD.

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 Subject: using cisco cd without network , why cant i?


  I know this is a silly question and im  too
  embarrassed to ask the guys at the office... buy every
  time i try to user my doc cd it gives me a blank page
  unless im connected to a network how do i look at this
  if im on a plane or something. I know this is simple
  and pray no one from my office ever sees this! :)
  can anyone discreetly help? hahaha
  Thanks
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Re: The Finale: OSPF and IP Classless

2001-03-30 Thread R.Srikanth


Hi John,

I would like to add another point to your observation. With 'no ip
classless' , EIGRP also behaves the same way as OSPF when you have a
supernet for the specific major net.

 Now for the really interesting part (if you've read this far and are still
 awake!)  I set a static 0.0.0.0/0 route on Router B but then also
advertised
 10.1.0.0/16 from router A.  Now Router B behaved classlessly but only for
 subnets of 10.1.0.0/16!  If I tried to ping 10.2.1.1, for instance, it was
 unroutable, but any subnet of 10.1.0.0/16--even the unknown ones--would be
 routed based on the OSPF-installed supernet route.  I then added
10.2.0.0/16
 to the advertisement and saw what I expected:  packets destined for either
 of those two subnets would be routed, all others failed.

It works the same way if you repeat the above with EIGRP.

But, the default route or GOLR is not considered under this situation if it
is installed by EIGRP, whereas it is looked up when we use OSPF. Looks like
'ip classless' command is closely tied with the default route, rather than
generically relating to a supernet.


Regards,

Srikanth.




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Subject: The Finale: OSPF and IP Classless


 If you thought this behavior was odd before, this will really bake your
 noodle.  I did some more experiments as we discussed in the thread earlier
 today.  Here's another short recap to catch everyone up.

 I have two routers, A and B, running OSPF.  The link between them is
 10.1.1.0/24, and A is originating a default into B. Router B has 'no ip
 classless' configured.  This means that by Cisco's explanations, if I were
 to ping any unknown subnet of 10.0.0.0/8 it would fail and debugging would
 show that it was unroutable.  However, that wasn't happening.  If I used
 OSPF to originate a 0.0.0.0/0 default route, it would be installed as GOLR
 and router B would behave classlessly.

 I tried this using 0.0.0.0/0, 10.0.0.0/8, and 8.0.0.0/5.  In all cases,
when
 using OSPF to originate the route, router B would behave classlessly.
This
 behavior would not occur when I used RIP v1 or v2, IGRP, or EIGRP.  (If I
 understood IS-IS, I'd try that too.)

 Tonight I changed tactics and tried some new things.  First, I ran two
 routing protocols, OSPF and RIP, but I let RIP advertise the default
 0.0.0.0/0 to B.  As expected, B behaved classfully and would not use the
 supernet route.  This shows us that it's not merely the presence of OSPF
on
 a router that can cause it to override 'no ip classless'.

 Next, I configured a manual static default 0.0.0.0/0 route on B while
Router
 A was also advertising the same route.  Of course the OSPF route would not
 be installed into the table because of the higher AD, but I wanted to
verify
 Router B's behavior.  In this case, it was classfull.

 Next, I set the AD of the static route to 120, higher than the 110 AD of
the
 OSPF route.  This means that the new GOLR, even thought it looks *exactly*
 the same in the routing table, was installed by OSPF.  Guess what?  Yep,
 classless behavior!

 Now for the really interesting part (if you've read this far and are still
 awake!)  I set a static 0.0.0.0/0 route on Router B but then also
advertised
 10.1.0.0/16 from router A.  Now Router B behaved classlessly but only for
 subnets of 10.1.0.0/16!  If I tried to ping 10.2.1.1, for instance, it was
 unroutable, but any subnet of 10.1.0.0/16--even the unknown ones--would be
 routed based on the OSPF-installed supernet route.  I then added
10.2.0.0/16
 to the advertisement and saw what I expected:  packets destined for either
 of those two subnets would be routed, all others failed.

 This means that the router behaves classlessly if there is a supernet
route
 that was installed by OSPF...but only up to that point!  In the situation
I
 just mentioned, remember that there was also a static default route that
was
 being ignored!

 So, the new rule is this:  a router with 'no ip classless' configured will
 not forward traffic to unknown subnets of known major networks UNLESS
THERE
 IS A VALID SUPERNET ROUTE INSTALLED BY OSPF.  (sorry for the caps. g)

 Yikes, can this thread die now?  :-)  I know, I keep it going, but I
wanted
 to really chase this down.  I think I chased it down, kicked it, hit it
with
 a stick, and now it's gone belly up not unlike the Norwegian Blue.  As for
 me, I think I'm through with my 'no ip classless' experiments.  Now maybe
I
 can finally get to those NAT labs I've been trying to get to for a week!

 Regards,
 John





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Network problem???

2001-03-30 Thread Kim Seng

I have a problem with all of my Windows 2000 servers
failed to authenticate into the PDC which is running
Windows NT 4.0 server. The Apps people are saying that
it is the Switches Network that I have. I checked all
of my switches and routers, I can not find of any ACL
or filter that cause their problem. They are thinking
that I do not know what I am doing and ask me to call
Cisco TAC for help. Before I do that, does anyone see
this before?

Kim,

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Console access

2001-03-30 Thread istong

If you want to prevent access to your router via telnet you could not assign
a password to vty 0-4  also you can setup transport input none  and lastly
you can use an access list to limit who can telnet (in conjunction with a
tacacs+ server) in case you want a few people to telnet in...   You use
access-class in 5  then create access-list 5 permint x.x.x.x

Hope that helps.


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 Hi all,
 Can we stop access to the console port from VTY session or telnet.
 Thanks
 Omer

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Re: NTP Question?

2001-03-30 Thread Circusnuts

Curiosity- why would your network need the atomic clock timing.  As long as
the peering/ stratum levels are configured correctly, convergence  server
timing works just as designed (perfect).  I've tried a lot of combinations
with the NTP projects I've done, but have always found the ISP keeps the
best time  usually are connected to either the atomic clock or are paying
for some calibrated service (which is an extension of the atomic clock).
This is where I first heard the term "clock suckers."  These guys support
the calibration of the service  they draw the time off of more reliable
devices (clocks) to calibrate you device (say quarterly).  This way your
leased device is always in time with Denver.

Let me know what you come up with

Thanks
Phil

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   Does the Denver clock have an IP address , so I can set my router to it?

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RE: Network problem???

2001-03-30 Thread Buri, Heather H

Check your switches and make sure that Portfast is enabled on any ports
connected to servers and workstations.  Also, turn off EtherChannel and
Trunking (which is in autonegotiation state by default).

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I have a problem with all of my Windows 2000 servers
failed to authenticate into the PDC which is running
Windows NT 4.0 server. The Apps people are saying that
it is the Switches Network that I have. I checked all
of my switches and routers, I can not find of any ACL
or filter that cause their problem. They are thinking
that I do not know what I am doing and ask me to call
Cisco TAC for help. Before I do that, does anyone see
this before?

Kim,

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RE: BGP over two ISP links

2001-03-30 Thread Evans, TJ

I know that in our case, trying to use BGP for failover between two
providers, we 
(a) were required to have a /24 UUnet ... no problem
(b) were required to have an AS#... no
problem
(c) PSI *required* us to 'take posssession' of the maintainer object for our
/24 ... still working on that part
a. very few people appear to have ever heard of RADB ... very
frustrating
(d) once we finish (c) we *should* be all set .. unless PSInet finds another
way to delay us.

I only send this because the "RADB/ Maintainer Object" part has been a
really painful delay .. but, that should be resolved today :).


Thanks!
TJ

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Subject:Re: BGP over two ISP links

At a minimum you're going to need a single /24, not two.  You would
announce this prefix on both connections.  You're also going to need to
apply for an autonomous system number from ARIN.  Details can be found
at www.arin.net. 

I'm wondering what you're really trying to accomplish.  If this extra
link isn't for redundancy, just load sharing, then why not have two
connections to the same provider?  This is FAR easier to implement, does
not require a public AS number, and does not require using up an entire
/24 prefix unnecessarily.

Even if the link is for redundancy, you could multihome to different
POPs of the same provider.  Again, this is easier to implement, doesn't
require the AS number, and doesn't burn up so many addresses.  If you
have a good provider this is an excellent solution.

I'd seriously consider these other options before you make a decision.

Regards,
John

 "Ruihai An" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/29/01 2:11:17 PM 
Hi, All,

Here is a quick question:
We are planning to run BGP over two ISP links to provide loading
balance.
But we were told that we will run into major problems if we do not have
full
class Cs on both ends.

Could somebody make comment on this?

Thanks

Ruihai


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Secondary IP pix ?

2001-03-30 Thread Herold Heiko

Longish explanation

I'm stumped with an IP address Range issue I fear can't be easily solved
:(
Suppose a Pix with 5.1(2) and a router (3640) with Ios 11.2(9)+ (yes yes
I know, I hope it'll be 12.1 soon).

"Server"
|
| Internal network
|
Pix
|
|. .100, mapped "Server"
| DMZ, 10.64.1/24
|
router
|
various connections

Server is mapped with static to DMZ, let's pretend 10.64.1.100 .
the router has several connections, some frame relay, some isdn ecc (not
important). The other side of the connections (commercial partners)
sometimes have overlapping networks, can't/won't use nat, or are
generally not under our control.
So some connections can't handle the 10.64.1/24 address range, however
being usually outbound connections those are handled by

int eth 0/0
 ip nat inside

int SOMEINT
 ip address SOMEINTADDR 255.255.255.0
 ip nat outside

ip route REMHOST SOMEINT

ip nat outside source static Outside/Global IP of REMHOST REMHOST

ip nat inside source route-map SOME-MAP interface SOMEINT overload

route-map SOME-MAP
 match ip address SOME-LIST

ip access-list extended SOME-LIST
 permit ip host 10.64.1.100 host REMHOST


e.g. nat outside address to a range of our liking and overload the
outgoing connection to the address specified on the interface. Not the
best configuration probably, but working.

Now, even with multiple concurrent connections like those there are no
problems since the entries in the nat translation table are complete
ip/port-ip/port.
Now there comes an inbound/outbound connection with nat, which does mean
a static mapping:

ip nat inside source static 10.64.1.100 SOMEOTHERNET.100
int SOMEOTHERINT
 ip address SOMEOTHER_NET.1 255.255.255.0
 ip nat outside

You probably can see where this is leading to - collision. For example,
if a connection from SERVER (through the pix) to the remote net is in
action there is an IP-IP entry in the address translation table. If at
the same time Server tries to initate a connection to REMHOST (need of
overload/PAT on SOMEINT) this does fail, outgoing packets to REMHOST
have a SOMEOTHERNET.100 source address instead of SOMEINTADDR,
communication fails.

Now AFAIK there is no way in Ios 11.2 to change this (if there is better
way to do this please tell me where to look in the documentation and
you'll have solved my problems. Sample conf would be nice, too :).
A solution would be moving a connection to another router, but isn't
really scalable (one router for every connection)
Same for "one server for every connection" grin

The pix is not capable to perform specific NAT based on
SOURCEIP[port]-DESTIP[port] (like FW-1), only fixed nat through static,
based on SOURCEIP, or dynamic with a pool, so it isn't even possible to
nat the internal address to different (fixed) DMZ addresses based on
destination ports.

I'm wondering if it is possible (although after a quick glance in the
manual I fear not) adding secondary addresses to the pix/interfac DMZ
and the router/interface Ethernet (say in 172.16.1/24), static the
server to 172.16.1.100, having effectively another DMZ on the same
physical network. Point the routing for the new connection to
router/eth-newDMZ-addr instead of router/eth-DMZ-addr, and avoid nat
collision on the router (since the source address would be different).
This would be somewhat scalabale also, since that additional DMZ can be
as small as necessary (/29 would be fine), and could be located in every
address range not already used somehwere else in the pix or the router
(of course I suppose adding too much additional addresses to the
interface could create problems.. OTOH with more different numbered DMZs
you have less probability none of those are usable on the other side of
the connection).

Any idea how to implement this ? Or how to implemement some other
scalable solution for this issue in any other way ?

Heiko

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Re: VPN 5001 concentrator

2001-03-30 Thread kent . hundley

Let me guess, the clients are behind a Linksys router doing PAT 
(NAPT)?

PATing devices typically cannot allow more than 1 IPSec session 
to pass-thru.  The reason for this is that the inbound IPSec SA is 
only determined by 3 things: dst addr, protocol (ESP or AH) and 
the Security Parameter Index (SPI).  The dst addr and protocol will 
be the same, only ESP will work, so that only leaves the SPI to 
differentiate inbound SA's.

The SPI is chosen by the destination and given to the sender 
during the initial ISAKMP negotiation.  The PATing device can't see 
this negotiation, so it would be very difficult to allow multiple IPSec 
stations to establish connections.  i.e. how can the PATing device 
determine which internal station the traffic is being sent to?

One way you could do this would be to make an assumption that 
any new inbound SA's belong to the last inside station to initiate a 
connection and just keep track of all IPSec initiations from internal 
stations and map it to inbound SPI's.  This would work in some 
cases, but then there are potential problems if you have lots of 
internal clients making requests about the same time.

Bottom line, don't expect anyone to implement this functionality 
any time soon, if ever.  What is more likely is that vendors will 
implement proprietary schemes to allow their VPN clients to talk 
through a NAT/PAT gateway to their VPN gateway as Cisco has 
done with the VPN 3000. (ala wrapping the IPSec packets with a 
UDP header)

An option would be to terminate the IPSec tunnels on a common 
perimeter device for all internal clients, or use an alternative VPN 
protocol, like SSL ala the Aventail product.

HTH,
Kent

On 29 Mar 2001, at 13:22, The.Rock wrote:

 Here's the problem:
 
 2 clients,both sharing a DSL line. both use VPN client for 5001
 
 When one is connected it is fine and if you add another connection off
 the same dsl while the other computer is connected, the VPN tunnel
 keeps dropping. Any ideas ?
 
 
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Re: PIX+Router+Frame relay to internet

2001-03-30 Thread kent . hundley

Howard,

Comments imbedded:

On 29 Mar 2001, at 13:04, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:

snip

   There should also be no way for
 an untrusted network to bypass your firewall, which there is in this
 design.
 
 
 Kent, I'd be interested in your opinion about an approach I've 
 increasingly used.  Do you consider it evil?
 
 Traffic comes onto the DMZ from an external screening router.  If it
 is destined for anything not on the DMZ, the options include:
 
 -- for IPsec transport mode and other encrypted traffic, send to
a router with basic filtering (e.g., verify reverse path and
drop traffic with source addresses and your internal network)
and traffic policing (to prevent flooding), and let it into the
network.  A firewall not participating in the end-to-end
encryption can't do anything with the packet -- why load up the
firewall with conduits?


The decision of where to terminate ones IPSec tunnels is a bit of a 
religious debate, but my preferred approach is to terminate them on 
the perimeter on a VPN box in front of the firewall.  

There are arguments as to whether the VPN box can reside in 
parallel with the FW, and there is a school of thought that says 
"yes", especially for performance reasons.  I prefer to have only 
one way in and out of my security perimeters from a functional 
perspective, load-balancing a set of firewalls if its necessary for 
throughput, but keeping the policies consistent.

As for passing encrypted tunnels through the FW, I don't like 
letting this sort of traffic through a security perimeter. It makes any 
sort of IDS all but worthless and its usually not necessary.  There 
are always exceptions and there may be cases where one just 
cannot terminate the tunnels on the perimeter, but as a general 
rule of thumb I don't do it.
 
 -- for traffic using SSL proxies, send to an appropriate gateway,
 which
MAY be the firewall.  Same thing for IPsec tunnel mode security
gateways.

Same argument as above. :-)

As you know, there are no absolutes, there are always exceptions 
to every rule. Very high-speed or very complex envrionments 
always stretch the rules of thumb we like to use.  However, in all 
but the "one-off" scenarios, I try to follow a consistent architecture: 
terminate all encrypted tunnels on a security perimeter and have all 
traffic flow through a firewall(s) that enforce policy.  

I've found that this design makes for a very consistent, manageble 
and more secure perimeter.

My .02,
Kent


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3DES through PIX

2001-03-30 Thread Ragavendran K Rao (CTS)

experts,
i have got an access VPN connection to be configured to connect one of the
VPN switches. i have got a pix, which is configured to translate the inside
ip address to a internet routable ip address. but for the NAT function, the
PIX does not do anything relating to ipsec. the cisco client we are using
using 3DES whereas my PIX IOS is not enabled for 3DES. but as i said, the
PIX is just passing whatever traffic to the internet. now, this conneciton
does not go through.

what could be the reason ? do i have to necessarily enable 3DES on PIX ?

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Cisco FW and HTTP Java applet

2001-03-30 Thread eto

I get problem to Web Page with Java applet.
I does not show pop-up menu on the side (for example) but just only grey 
color (depending on the color of menu)

ckeck log at cisco router running 12.1.5


Mar 30 15:27:56.743: %FW-3-HTTP_JAVA_BLOCK: JAVA applet is blocked from 
(195.18.19
1.20:80) to (10.24.3.30:2194).
Mar 30 15:27:56.747: %FW-6-SESS_AUDIT_TRAIL: http session initiator 
(10.24.3.30:21
94) sent 278 bytes -- responder (195.18.191.20:80) sent 0 bytes
Mar 30 15:27:56.755: %SEC-6-IPACCESSLOGP: list internet denied tcp 
195.18.191.20(8
0) (Serial1/0:1 *PPP*) - x.x.x.x(2194), 1 packet
Mar 30 15:27:57.291: %FW-3-HTTP_JAVA_BLOCK: JAVA applet is blocked from 
(195.18.19
1.20:80) to (10.24.3.30:2197).


It sounds Java applet is blocked by router
I don't have any ACL for Java

Look at cisco CBAC page

Java Inspection

With Java, you must protect against the risk of users inadvertently 
downloading destructive applets into your network. To protect against
this risk, you could require all users to disable Java in their browser. If 
this is not an agreeable solution, you can use CBAC to filter Java
applets at firewall, which allows users to download only applets residing 
within the firewall and trusted applets from outside the firewall.

Java inspection enables Java applet filtering at the firewall. Java applet 
filtering distinguishes between trusted and untrusted applets by
relying on a list of external sites that you designate as "friendly." If an 
applet is from a friendly site, the firewall allows the applet through. If
the applet is not from a friendly site, the applet will be blocked. 
Alternately, you could permit applets from all sites except for sites
specifically designated as "hostile."

How can I make Java applet filtering ?

Kim

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Buffer Problem

2001-03-30 Thread KOLIY


I have a condition when 1 system is attempt to hand a packet to
a transmission buffer and no buffer is available
a.Fast switching
b.intput drop
c.output drop
d.route-cache

Thanks
Koliy


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RE: Cisco FW and HTTP Java applet

2001-03-30 Thread Stull, Cory

This is IOS firewall? 

 ip inspect name (whatever) http java-list 51 

 access-list 51 permit any


Hope this helps and I found this info myself somewhere on Cisco.com 
Cory


-Original Message-
From: eto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 7:51 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cisco FW and HTTP Java applet


I get problem to Web Page with Java applet.
I does not show pop-up menu on the side (for example) but just only grey 
color (depending on the color of menu)

ckeck log at cisco router running 12.1.5


Mar 30 15:27:56.743: %FW-3-HTTP_JAVA_BLOCK: JAVA applet is blocked from 
(195.18.19
1.20:80) to (10.24.3.30:2194).
Mar 30 15:27:56.747: %FW-6-SESS_AUDIT_TRAIL: http session initiator 
(10.24.3.30:21
94) sent 278 bytes -- responder (195.18.191.20:80) sent 0 bytes
Mar 30 15:27:56.755: %SEC-6-IPACCESSLOGP: list internet denied tcp 
195.18.191.20(8
0) (Serial1/0:1 *PPP*) - x.x.x.x(2194), 1 packet
Mar 30 15:27:57.291: %FW-3-HTTP_JAVA_BLOCK: JAVA applet is blocked from 
(195.18.19
1.20:80) to (10.24.3.30:2197).


It sounds Java applet is blocked by router
I don't have any ACL for Java

Look at cisco CBAC page

Java Inspection

With Java, you must protect against the risk of users inadvertently 
downloading destructive applets into your network. To protect against
this risk, you could require all users to disable Java in their browser. If 
this is not an agreeable solution, you can use CBAC to filter Java
applets at firewall, which allows users to download only applets residing 
within the firewall and trusted applets from outside the firewall.

Java inspection enables Java applet filtering at the firewall. Java applet 
filtering distinguishes between trusted and untrusted applets by
relying on a list of external sites that you designate as "friendly." If an 
applet is from a friendly site, the firewall allows the applet through. If
the applet is not from a friendly site, the applet will be blocked. 
Alternately, you could permit applets from all sites except for sites
specifically designated as "hostile."

How can I make Java applet filtering ?

Kim

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RE: Buffer Problem

2001-03-30 Thread Buri, Heather H

Is this a test?  :-)


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Buffer Problem



I have a condition when 1 system is attempt to hand a packet to
a transmission buffer and no buffer is available
a.Fast switching
b.intput drop
c.output drop
d.route-cache

Thanks
Koliy


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RE: BGP over two ISP links

2001-03-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

Believe me, I sympathize. My first attempt to connect to the Internet 
failed due to not considering publishing my policy in a routing 
registry (e.g., RADB).  See http://www.radb.net, or the routing 
registry areas at http://www.arin.net and http://www.ripe.net.

One of my concerns with the way that Internet routing is taught is 
that most presentations are about the configuration of a router or 
two, when it is essential first to understand how the routers fit 
into the global routing system.  Playing in the global routing system 
involves a lot more than BGP announcements.  As you have observed, it 
involves address assignment, AS number assignment, and registering a 
routing policy at the very least.  Reverse DNS, swip/rwhois, 
filtering, and many other factors will enter into real-world 
operations.

It's also often unclear what people are trying to do when they want 
anything beyond single-link, default-routed connectivity to an ISP. 
Have you ever been to a convention where officious people push you 
around with no explanation other than muttering "security?"  I'm 
afraid I often hear "load-sharing" muttered in the same way with 
respect to Internet connectivity.  There is no single thing that is 
defined as load sharing, and there are different reasons to want or 
not want different load sharing options.

In my BGP tutorials at CertificationZone (member area), I've tried to 
emphasize "define policy first, then think about configuration." 
You'll also see this philosophy in my tutorials at NANOG, and in my 
upcoming book (end of the year) on building service provider networks.

The message remains, whenever someone thinks they are ready to 
configure BGP on a live router to an ISP, if that is all they think 
they need to do to get connected, they are not ready.  Since a lot of 
this isn't written down, it's very wise to find a knowledgeable ISP 
and work with their presales people very closely.

Finding the clueful people can be a crapshoot, I will admit. I can 
think of one national carrier with whom I've dealt in different 
cities. For the account in Washington DC, which literally did have 
Presidential priority, the particular carrier was slow and 
inflexible.  For a different account with the same provider in 
Nashville, the account team couldn't have been more responsive, both 
at sales and engineering levels.


I know that in our case, trying to use BGP for failover between two
providers, we
(a) were required to have a /24UUnet ... no problem
(b) were required to have an AS#   ... no
problem
(c) PSI *required* us to 'take posssession' of the maintainer object for our
/24 ... still working on that part
a. very few people appear to have ever heard of RADB ... very
frustrating
(d) once we finish (c) we *should* be all set .. unless PSInet finds another
way to delay us.


Unless, of course, PSInet simply goes into bankruptcy.  I wish them 
well, but the financial press does seem to suggest that the vultures 
are getting very close.


I only send this because the "RADB/ Maintainer Object" part has been a
really painful delay .. but, that should be resolved today :).


Thanks!
TJ

  -Original Message-
From:  John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:  Thursday, March 29, 2001 17:08
To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:   Re: BGP over two ISP links

At a minimum you're going to need a single /24, not two.  You would
announce this prefix on both connections.  You're also going to need to
apply for an autonomous system number from ARIN.  Details can be found
at www.arin.net.

I'm wondering what you're really trying to accomplish.  If this extra
link isn't for redundancy, just load sharing, then why not have two
connections to the same provider?  This is FAR easier to implement, does
not require a public AS number, and does not require using up an entire
/24 prefix unnecessarily.

Even if the link is for redundancy, you could multihome to different
POPs of the same provider.  Again, this is easier to implement, doesn't
require the AS number, and doesn't burn up so many addresses.  If you
have a good provider this is an excellent solution.

I'd seriously consider these other options before you make a decision.

Regards,
John

  "Ruihai An" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/29/01 2:11:17 PM 
Hi, All,

Here is a quick question:
We are planning to run BGP over two ISP links to provide loading
balance.
But we were told that we will run into major problems if we do not have
full
class Cs on both ends.

Could somebody make comment on this?

Thanks

Ruihai

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PAT

2001-03-30 Thread Ruddy Cordero

I have a frame relay circuit connected to a 1750 router with an =
ip-unnumbered assign to the serial int to  point to the Ethernet =
interface. I shut down the Ethernet interface and configured a second =
serial interface on the router with the ip add. that is attached to a =
Cisco 2600 router. I also changed the ip unnumbered to point to that =
serial interface. I configured the 2600 to overload Nat and configured =
some static interfaces. My problem is: this 1750 is connected to the =
internet via frame relay and I'm unable to get any internet traffic to =
go pass the 1750. I create a static mapping for the DNS server we are =
using and I'm still no able to get no traffic. Need some advice from

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CCIE LAB on NYC area

2001-03-30 Thread Mike Peterson




Hi all,

Does any one knows if there is a very good CCIE LAB in NYC area...
something like the LAB in San Jose?

Thank you,

Mike
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Stupid question

2001-03-30 Thread Rick

!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"
html
Dear all,
pI have a stupid question, want to clarify.
bris it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in
the Router?
pThanks
pBest Regards,
brrick/html

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Re: Token Ring Question

2001-03-30 Thread Scott Jensen

Let me ask you this. Are the interfaces of equal cost? Do you want routing loops? What
prevents routing loops, and how are loops prevented?

Scott

Vincent wrote:

 For I am not familiar with TokenRing. I just wondering how come i insert 2
 router into the token ring hub,
 one of the interface is up/down all the time.

 Thanks
 Vincent

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Re: Token Ring Tool WAS Token Ring Problem

2001-03-30 Thread Scott Jensen

Media Insertion Tool - is the name I learned about 10 years ago I think.

Scott

Daniel Cotts wrote:

 I've heard about those zapper tools for MAUs but have never seen one. Is
 there an official name for it? Any manufacturer or part number? Might be
 worth finding on eBay. I have several old MAUs that I haven't tested.
 TIA
  -Original Message-
  From: ElephantChild [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

  Typical causes, in no particular order, are:
 
  - Stuck relay, if you're using an old mechanical MAU, eg a 8228. If
that's the problem, just phaser the relay unstuck.
 

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Re: Token Ring Problem

2001-03-30 Thread Vincent

Thanks all!  Problem fixed.

Just follow cisco recommendation and it works.





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Re: actual speed (BW) on a Frame-Relay circuit

2001-03-30 Thread John Neiberger

If you have an external CSU/DSU then the router has no idea what the
actual speed of the link is.  The default bandwidth configured on a
serial interface is 1.544 Mbps, but that means nothing.  You could have
a 56k line and the router would still have 1.544 Mbps configured.

As far as I know, there is no way--from IOS--to definitely prove the
link speed in a situation like this.  Sometimes you can tell from the
circuit ID itself what the link speed is, depending on the provider. 
For instance, with our provider, any circuit ID that contains QGEA,
HCGL, or YBGA is a T-1, while YGGA is a fractional T-1 and XHGL is 56k
frame relay.

Sorry, I know that doesn't help much.  You can try doing a 'show frame
map' and looking at the CIR.  If the CIR was automatically assigned,
it's usually some percentage of the actual link speed.  With our
provider, the default CIR on a PVC on a t-1 is 768000.  

Good luck!

John

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/30/01 1:53:14 AM 
this is only if I know that the link is a T1. But what if I don't know
the
speed of the link ? Is there a way to check this out.

Regards,

Tarry


-Original Message-
From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 5:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: actual speed (BW) on a Frame-Relay circuit


This is actually more complicated than you think.  :-)  Which do you
want to know, the speed of the link or the available bandwidth?  If
it's
the latter, what do you mean by available?  Do you want to know the
CIR?
 Or how much you can burst over your CIR?

Let's say you have a frame relay T-1.  The speed of that link is
always
1.544 Mbps.  If you send data across that link, regardless of the CIR,
the data is travelling at 1.544 Mbps!  Because it's frame relay, you
might be paying for a certain CIR which is a statistical parameter
that
sometimes doesn't have much to do with how much data you can push
across
that link.

In fact, if your provider isn't experiencing any congestion, then CIR
doesn't mean squat as far as I'm concerned.  Whenever you exceed your
CIR, frames in the cloud can be marked as Discard Eligible.  All that
means is that during times of congestion, those get dropped first.  If
there's no congestion, DE status doesn't mean much.

So, to answer your question...  The speed of the link is whatever your
link speed is.  g  The CIR can usually be seen by using the command
"show frame-relay map".

I hope that helps and didn't just confuse the issue more.  I may have
been imprecise, and if I have others will surely correct me.

Regards,
John

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/29/01 6:57:53 AM 
Hi,

is there a command to check the actual speed (BW) or max BW used on a
Frame-Relay circuit.

Thanks,

Tarry.

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Re: The Finale: OSPF and IP Classless (partial retraction)

2001-03-30 Thread John Neiberger

Oops, I just re-read your post and see that you were talking about
advertising a specific major net, not the 0.0.0.0/0 default.  So, are
you saying that if I use EIGRP and advertise 10.0.0.0/8 from router A to
router B that I can then successfully route packets destined for
10.5.5.5, for instance?   So, just as in my experiments, the router
behaves classlessly up to a point.  In this example, it would use the
major network supernet route but still would not be able to use the
0.0.0.0/0 supernet, right?

Good grief.  I'm just going to leave 'ip classless' on all the time and
not worry about it.  g

Thanks,
John

 "R.Srikanth" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/30/01 9:17:28 AM 

Hi John,

I would like to add another point to your observation. With 'no ip
classless' , EIGRP also behaves the same way as OSPF when you have a
supernet for the specific major net.

 Now for the really interesting part (if you've read this far and are
still
 awake!)  I set a static 0.0.0.0/0 route on Router B but then also
advertised
 10.1.0.0/16 from router A.  Now Router B behaved classlessly but only
for
 subnets of 10.1.0.0/16!  If I tried to ping 10.2.1.1, for instance,
it was
 unroutable, but any subnet of 10.1.0.0/16--even the unknown
ones--would be
 routed based on the OSPF-installed supernet route.  I then added
10.2.0.0/16
 to the advertisement and saw what I expected:  packets destined for
either
 of those two subnets would be routed, all others failed.

It works the same way if you repeat the above with EIGRP.

But, the default route or GOLR is not considered under this situation
if it
is installed by EIGRP, whereas it is looked up when we use OSPF. Looks
like
'ip classless' command is closely tied with the default route, rather
than
generically relating to a supernet.


Regards,

Srikanth.




- Original Message -
From: John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 5:09 AM
Subject: The Finale: OSPF and IP Classless


 If you thought this behavior was odd before, this will really bake
your
 noodle.  I did some more experiments as we discussed in the thread
earlier
 today.  Here's another short recap to catch everyone up.

 I have two routers, A and B, running OSPF.  The link between them is
 10.1.1.0/24, and A is originating a default into B. Router B has 'no
ip
 classless' configured.  This means that by Cisco's explanations, if I
were
 to ping any unknown subnet of 10.0.0.0/8 it would fail and debugging
would
 show that it was unroutable.  However, that wasn't happening.  If I
used
 OSPF to originate a 0.0.0.0/0 default route, it would be installed as
GOLR
 and router B would behave classlessly.

 I tried this using 0.0.0.0/0, 10.0.0.0/8, and 8.0.0.0/5.  In all
cases,
when
 using OSPF to originate the route, router B would behave
classlessly.
This
 behavior would not occur when I used RIP v1 or v2, IGRP, or EIGRP. 
(If I
 understood IS-IS, I'd try that too.)

 Tonight I changed tactics and tried some new things.  First, I ran
two
 routing protocols, OSPF and RIP, but I let RIP advertise the default
 0.0.0.0/0 to B.  As expected, B behaved classfully and would not use
the
 supernet route.  This shows us that it's not merely the presence of
OSPF
on
 a router that can cause it to override 'no ip classless'.

 Next, I configured a manual static default 0.0.0.0/0 route on B
while
Router
 A was also advertising the same route.  Of course the OSPF route
would not
 be installed into the table because of the higher AD, but I wanted
to
verify
 Router B's behavior.  In this case, it was classfull.

 Next, I set the AD of the static route to 120, higher than the 110 AD
of
the
 OSPF route.  This means that the new GOLR, even thought it looks
*exactly*
 the same in the routing table, was installed by OSPF.  Guess what? 
Yep,
 classless behavior!

 Now for the really interesting part (if you've read this far and are
still
 awake!)  I set a static 0.0.0.0/0 route on Router B but then also
advertised
 10.1.0.0/16 from router A.  Now Router B behaved classlessly but only
for
 subnets of 10.1.0.0/16!  If I tried to ping 10.2.1.1, for instance,
it was
 unroutable, but any subnet of 10.1.0.0/16--even the unknown
ones--would be
 routed based on the OSPF-installed supernet route.  I then added
10.2.0.0/16
 to the advertisement and saw what I expected:  packets destined for
either
 of those two subnets would be routed, all others failed.

 This means that the router behaves classlessly if there is a
supernet
route
 that was installed by OSPF...but only up to that point!  In the
situation
I
 just mentioned, remember that there was also a static default route
that
was
 being ignored!

 So, the new rule is this:  a router with 'no ip classless' configured
will
 not forward traffic to unknown subnets of known major networks
UNLESS
THERE
 IS A VALID SUPERNET ROUTE INSTALLED BY OSPF.  (sorry for the caps.
g)

 Yikes, can this thread die now?  :-)  I know, I keep it going, but I
wanted
 to really chase this down.  

Internet tutorial ppt

2001-03-30 Thread Barronton, Ken

Maybe someone knows...
At one time (around last Summer) someone from this list posted an awesome
link to a site that had a PowerPoint tutorial about the Internet origins and
the backbone description, NAP's etc. Somehow I lost this link. I searched
the archives but couldn't find it. There's probably others as well.

Does anyone know of this one or even another one?

Thanks,
Ken


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Re: The Finale: OSPF and IP Classless

2001-03-30 Thread John Neiberger

In my testing, I found exactly the opposite, which is why all of this is
so odd.  With 'no ip classless' configured and using EIGRP to originate
a default from Router A into Router B, B would still behave classfully
in its route lookups.  It would *not* use a supernet route for
destinations in unknown subnets of known major networks.  (geez, what a
mouthfull!).

Specifically in my case, the link is 10.1.1.0/24.  When router A would
advertise a 0.0.0.0/0 route to router B and I tried to ping 10.5.5.5,
for instance, it would fail, as expected.  The router knows about
10.1.1.0/24 but it doesn't know anything about 10.5.5.5.  In classfull
operation, that is unroutable.

Now if I remove EIGRP and use OSPF for this, router B starts to behave
classlessly in its lookups even if 'no ip classless' is still
configured!  That is the true oddity here.  I've seen no documentation
that says OSPF overrides 'no ip classless' but that is, in fact, what
I've proven to my satisfaction.  I've tried just about every possible
configuration I (and a few others) could think of and I can predict
consistently how it's going to behave now.

If anyone would like to see a VERY long detailed description of the
experiments including configurations and command output, I could put it
together.  I'd rather you do it yourselves on your own equipment,
though, to verify these results.  Besides, that's a lot of work. g

Regards,
John

 "R.Srikanth" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/30/01 9:17:28 AM 

Hi John,

I would like to add another point to your observation. With 'no ip
classless' , EIGRP also behaves the same way as OSPF when you have a
supernet for the specific major net.

 Now for the really interesting part (if you've read this far and are
still
 awake!)  I set a static 0.0.0.0/0 route on Router B but then also
advertised
 10.1.0.0/16 from router A.  Now Router B behaved classlessly but only
for
 subnets of 10.1.0.0/16!  If I tried to ping 10.2.1.1, for instance,
it was
 unroutable, but any subnet of 10.1.0.0/16--even the unknown
ones--would be
 routed based on the OSPF-installed supernet route.  I then added
10.2.0.0/16
 to the advertisement and saw what I expected:  packets destined for
either
 of those two subnets would be routed, all others failed.

It works the same way if you repeat the above with EIGRP.

But, the default route or GOLR is not considered under this situation
if it
is installed by EIGRP, whereas it is looked up when we use OSPF. Looks
like
'ip classless' command is closely tied with the default route, rather
than
generically relating to a supernet.


Regards,

Srikanth.




- Original Message -
From: John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 5:09 AM
Subject: The Finale: OSPF and IP Classless


 If you thought this behavior was odd before, this will really bake
your
 noodle.  I did some more experiments as we discussed in the thread
earlier
 today.  Here's another short recap to catch everyone up.

 I have two routers, A and B, running OSPF.  The link between them is
 10.1.1.0/24, and A is originating a default into B. Router B has 'no
ip
 classless' configured.  This means that by Cisco's explanations, if I
were
 to ping any unknown subnet of 10.0.0.0/8 it would fail and debugging
would
 show that it was unroutable.  However, that wasn't happening.  If I
used
 OSPF to originate a 0.0.0.0/0 default route, it would be installed as
GOLR
 and router B would behave classlessly.

 I tried this using 0.0.0.0/0, 10.0.0.0/8, and 8.0.0.0/5.  In all
cases,
when
 using OSPF to originate the route, router B would behave
classlessly.
This
 behavior would not occur when I used RIP v1 or v2, IGRP, or EIGRP. 
(If I
 understood IS-IS, I'd try that too.)

 Tonight I changed tactics and tried some new things.  First, I ran
two
 routing protocols, OSPF and RIP, but I let RIP advertise the default
 0.0.0.0/0 to B.  As expected, B behaved classfully and would not use
the
 supernet route.  This shows us that it's not merely the presence of
OSPF
on
 a router that can cause it to override 'no ip classless'.

 Next, I configured a manual static default 0.0.0.0/0 route on B
while
Router
 A was also advertising the same route.  Of course the OSPF route
would not
 be installed into the table because of the higher AD, but I wanted
to
verify
 Router B's behavior.  In this case, it was classfull.

 Next, I set the AD of the static route to 120, higher than the 110 AD
of
the
 OSPF route.  This means that the new GOLR, even thought it looks
*exactly*
 the same in the routing table, was installed by OSPF.  Guess what? 
Yep,
 classless behavior!

 Now for the really interesting part (if you've read this far and are
still
 awake!)  I set a static 0.0.0.0/0 route on Router B but then also
advertised
 10.1.0.0/16 from router A.  Now Router B behaved classlessly but only
for
 subnets of 10.1.0.0/16!  If I tried to ping 10.2.1.1, for instance,
it was
 unroutable, but any subnet of 10.1.0.0/16--even the unknown

Re: Stupid question

2001-03-30 Thread John Neiberger

This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make.  If
you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own subnet.
 Otherwise routing would not work.  If you're bridging, then the bridged
interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign an
IP address to those interfaces.

I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question:  in a
routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same subnet,
and the answer is no.

HTH,
John

 After removing all of the HTML, Rick appeared to say... 
Dear all,
I have a stupid question, want to clarify.
is it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in
the Router?
Thanks

Best Regards,
rick

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OT: Can't ping anything on LAN when connected on dial-up adapter

2001-03-30 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

This might be a little off topic since it is not regarding Cisco, but then
again maybe not, since it's about routing and connectivity after all.

I have a small LAN where five workstations and one printer. Everybody can
ping eachother and the printer. However, if one of the users establish a
dial-up connection to the ISP, she can't ping anything on the LAN anymore.

The workstations are running Windows 95/98.

I haven't been able to find anything (yet) in Microsofts Knowledgebase (I'm
still looking), but I thought that some of you might have had this problem
yourselves.

Any comments on this will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Ole


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RE: 3DES through PIX

2001-03-30 Thread Moe Tavakoli

Your Internet accessable Ip that you are using on the PIX  Is this
global address a single address?  Probably it is... once again, you can't do
IPsec through PAT (many to one nat)  Try assigning that station that needs
to VPN a static addres on the public side.

Moe. 

-Original Message-
From: Ragavendran K Rao (CTS)
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Sent: 3/30/2001 5:57 AM
Subject: 3DES through PIX

experts,
i have got an access VPN connection to be configured to connect one of
the
VPN switches. i have got a pix, which is configured to translate the
inside
ip address to a internet routable ip address. but for the NAT function,
the
PIX does not do anything relating to ipsec. the cisco client we are
using
using 3DES whereas my PIX IOS is not enabled for 3DES. but as i said,
the
PIX is just passing whatever traffic to the internet. now, this
conneciton
does not go through.

what could be the reason ? do i have to necessarily enable 3DES on PIX ?

cheers,

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Re: Cisco Systems prices

2001-03-30 Thread EA Louie

US List.  French duty costs may raise the price significantly.  For the
routers, you need IOS, so I've provided you the price of IP-only software,
and you didn't indicate any WICs for the 2621, so I'm assuming that you
don't need any.

You also didn't specify any modules for GBICs in the 2900, so I'll assume
that you don't need those.

Cisco V.35 serial interface cables are $100 each

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 2:26 AM
Subject: Cisco Systems prices


 Does anybody in the group have the price information of the following
 items?

 1.  Cisco 2621 router  $3095
IOS IP-only $15

 2.  Catalyst 2900 switch  $5995 48 port


 3.  24 port 3Com hub  $440, 10/100

 4.  16 port 3com hub  - I don't see a 16 port 3Com hub in my pricebook,
just 12 and 24 port

 5.  Cisco 2501 router $2195
IOS IP-only  $15


 I will appreciate any quick response from any member.

 Cheers,


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RE: Slightly OT: Juniper Classes

2001-03-30 Thread Dave Humphrey

Hi Eric,

I teach the class. It won't be enough for you to pass JNCIS. It is however a 
very good course, but then I would say that.

Dave Humphrey

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Tom Thomas
Sent: 30 March 2001 02:38
To: Eric Gunn; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Slightly OT: Juniper Classes


I take it in 2 weeks email me then and I will let you know.

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Eric Gunn
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 12:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Slightly OT: Juniper Classes


Has anyone taken the 5 day training class put out by Juniper? I want to 
make sure it is worth the money since I will be spending my own money to 
attend it.

Is it worth the money? Does it cover enough to pass the JNCIS? I am 
currently a CCNP+Security that has passed the CCIE written and in the 
process of studying for my Lab exam.

Any opinions, suggestions, Etc

Thank You,

Eric Gunn

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Re: OT: Can't ping anything on LAN when connected on dial-up adapter

2001-03-30 Thread David Cooper

Hiya,

This is due to when the user dials up, the Win32 pc sets a default route to
the ISP. This route is taken over any others in the delivery of packets. The 
best way I have found around this is to add static routes back to my LAN 
while dialed up. This is very common. 

Hope this helps,
Dave
On Friday 30 March 2001 10:52, Ole Drews Jensen wrote:
 This might be a little off topic since it is not regarding Cisco, but then
 again maybe not, since it's about routing and connectivity after all.

 I have a small LAN where five workstations and one printer. Everybody can
 ping eachother and the printer. However, if one of the users establish a
 dial-up connection to the ISP, she can't ping anything on the LAN anymore.

 The workstations are running Windows 95/98.

 I haven't been able to find anything (yet) in Microsofts Knowledgebase (I'm
 still looking), but I thought that some of you might have had this problem
 yourselves.

 Any comments on this will be appreciated.

 Thanks,

 Ole

 
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RE: PAT

2001-03-30 Thread martijn michiel

First thing that jumps into mind is why don't you define a loopback 
interface with an ip address?

Martijn

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
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Cordero
Verzonden: vrijdag 30 maart 2001 16:52
Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Onderwerp: PAT


I have a frame relay circuit connected to a 1750 router with an =
ip-unnumbered assign to the serial int to  point to the Ethernet =
interface. I shut down the Ethernet interface and configured a second =
serial interface on the router with the ip add. that is attached to a =
Cisco 2600 router. I also changed the ip unnumbered to point to that =
serial interface. I configured the 2600 to overload Nat and configured =
some static interfaces. My problem is: this 1750 is connected to the =
internet via frame relay and I'm unable to get any internet traffic to =
go pass the 1750. I create a static mapping for the DNS server we are =
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Re: BGP over two ISP links

2001-03-30 Thread KY

Well said Howard, I always believe reading Halabi's book only makes
understand BGP and know how to configure it on Cisco. But there is no way
you can play a peer router in a NAP just based on that knowledge. You will
mostly screw it up.
As you said, most of things are not documented, it is really hard to find
good reference on how to setup an ISP from scratch.
Looking forward to your book. I would suggest that if you could put more
real cases/examples of setup peer routers, verify/update peer policy and
trouble-shooting routing problems. Also it would be great if you could,
based on your wide contact in the industry, give us something like this, for
example:
This is how UUnet updates their peer policy everyday, they use a Perl script
to grap daily updates from whois.radb.net database, and automatically update
their peer routers. The script looks like this:. Other ISPs do it other
ways like  uses xxx and xxx uses xxx.

I bet most of people, especially who works for ISPs but not at the top
level, would pay their money for.

Just my 2 cents.
KY


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 Believe me, I sympathize. My first attempt to connect to the Internet
 failed due to not considering publishing my policy in a routing
 registry (e.g., RADB).  See http://www.radb.net, or the routing
 registry areas at http://www.arin.net and http://www.ripe.net.

 One of my concerns with the way that Internet routing is taught is
 that most presentations are about the configuration of a router or
 two, when it is essential first to understand how the routers fit
 into the global routing system.  Playing in the global routing system
 involves a lot more than BGP announcements.  As you have observed, it
 involves address assignment, AS number assignment, and registering a
 routing policy at the very least.  Reverse DNS, swip/rwhois,
 filtering, and many other factors will enter into real-world
 operations.

 It's also often unclear what people are trying to do when they want
 anything beyond single-link, default-routed connectivity to an ISP.
 Have you ever been to a convention where officious people push you
 around with no explanation other than muttering "security?"  I'm
 afraid I often hear "load-sharing" muttered in the same way with
 respect to Internet connectivity.  There is no single thing that is
 defined as load sharing, and there are different reasons to want or
 not want different load sharing options.

 In my BGP tutorials at CertificationZone (member area), I've tried to
 emphasize "define policy first, then think about configuration."
 You'll also see this philosophy in my tutorials at NANOG, and in my
 upcoming book (end of the year) on building service provider networks.

 The message remains, whenever someone thinks they are ready to
 configure BGP on a live router to an ISP, if that is all they think
 they need to do to get connected, they are not ready.  Since a lot of
 this isn't written down, it's very wise to find a knowledgeable ISP
 and work with their presales people very closely.

 Finding the clueful people can be a crapshoot, I will admit. I can
 think of one national carrier with whom I've dealt in different
 cities. For the account in Washington DC, which literally did have
 Presidential priority, the particular carrier was slow and
 inflexible.  For a different account with the same provider in
 Nashville, the account team couldn't have been more responsive, both
 at sales and engineering levels.


 I know that in our case, trying to use BGP for failover between two
 providers, we
 (a) were required to have a /24 UUnet ... no problem
 (b) were required to have an AS# ... no
 problem
 (c) PSI *required* us to 'take posssession' of the maintainer object for
our
 /24 ... still working on that part
 a. very few people appear to have ever heard of RADB ... very
 frustrating
 (d) once we finish (c) we *should* be all set .. unless PSInet finds
another
 way to delay us.


 Unless, of course, PSInet simply goes into bankruptcy.  I wish them
 well, but the financial press does seem to suggest that the vultures
 are getting very close.

 
 I only send this because the "RADB/ Maintainer Object" part has been a
 really painful delay .. but, that should be resolved today :).
 
 
 Thanks!
 TJ
 
   -Original Message-
 From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 17:08
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: BGP over two ISP links
 
 At a minimum you're going to need a single /24, not two.  You would
 announce this prefix on both connections.  You're also going to need to
 apply for an autonomous system number from ARIN.  Details can be found
 at www.arin.net.
 
 I'm wondering what you're really trying to accomplish.  If this extra
 link isn't for redundancy, just load sharing, then why not have two
 connections to the same provider?  This is FAR easier to implement, does
 

Re: 3DES through PIX

2001-03-30 Thread Allen May

VPN has to be on an internet accessible IP.  You can set up an ACL or
static/conduit to give the internal VPN box a public IP.  Make sure you open
the correct ports.  tcp port 1723 and gre need to be opened to it.  As long
as you're not using PAT it will work.  Hopefully you have a free public IP
you can assign to the box or it won't work unless you use the PIX as the
IPSec VPN with Radius or TACACS+.


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Subject: 3DES through PIX


 experts,
 i have got an access VPN connection to be configured to connect one of the
 VPN switches. i have got a pix, which is configured to translate the
inside
 ip address to a internet routable ip address. but for the NAT function,
the
 PIX does not do anything relating to ipsec. the cisco client we are using
 using 3DES whereas my PIX IOS is not enabled for 3DES. but as i said, the
 PIX is just passing whatever traffic to the internet. now, this conneciton
 does not go through.

 what could be the reason ? do i have to necessarily enable 3DES on PIX ?

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Re: Can't ping anything on LAN when connected on dial-up adapter

2001-03-30 Thread Allen May

They have 'use default gateway on remote network' selected.  This forces
their workstation to use the default route of the dial-up rather than the
local network.  BUT this should only affect things off the LAN so that may
not be your answer after all (now that I take a sip of coffee..heh).  Try
setting TCP/IP on the local adapter to default  see if that helps.  It may
just be trying to use the dial-up adapter as default and timing out.

OK enough shots in the dark...I need more coffee.  The above is good to know
but most likely not your answer ;)  Do a ROUTE PRINT before and after
dialing in and see what the differences are.  If possible cut  paste it to
us and I can try to figure it out from there.

Allen
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Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 9:52 AM
Subject: OT: Can't ping anything on LAN when connected on dial-up adapter


 This might be a little off topic since it is not regarding Cisco, but then
 again maybe not, since it's about routing and connectivity after all.

 I have a small LAN where five workstations and one printer. Everybody can
 ping eachother and the printer. However, if one of the users establish a
 dial-up connection to the ISP, she can't ping anything on the LAN anymore.

 The workstations are running Windows 95/98.

 I haven't been able to find anything (yet) in Microsofts Knowledgebase
(I'm
 still looking), but I thought that some of you might have had this problem
 yourselves.

 Any comments on this will be appreciated.

 Thanks,

 Ole

 
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Re: Stupid question

2001-03-30 Thread Wang Chia Ta

Thank you for your response. Another question is when or why would you be
required
to use set an ip address on a switch and/or hub interface?

Thx.

Wang Chia Ta
Systems Support
Mitsubishi Motors
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""John Neiberger"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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 This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make.  If
 you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own subnet.
  Otherwise routing would not work.  If you're bridging, then the bridged
 interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign an
 IP address to those interfaces.

 I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question:  in a
 routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same subnet,
 and the answer is no.

 HTH,
 John

  After removing all of the HTML, Rick appeared to say... 
 Dear all,
 I have a stupid question, want to clarify.
 is it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in
 the Router?
 Thanks

 Best Regards,
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Re: Buffer Problem

2001-03-30 Thread Ruihai An

I would think this will cause input drop, and if you do a "sh int " on the
router, you will see the  number count of "no buffer"

Ruihai
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 I have a condition when 1 system is attempt to hand a packet to
 a transmission buffer and no buffer is available
 a.Fast switching
 b.intput drop
 c.output drop
 d.route-cache

 Thanks
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Re: Stupid question

2001-03-30 Thread Wang Chia Ta

Sorry ... the message should have read:

Thank you for your response. Another question is when or why would you be
required to set an ip address on a switch and/or hub interface?

Thx.

Wang Chia Ta
Systems Support
Mitsubishi Motors
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sac446f2.062@fsutil01">news:sac446f2.062@fsutil01...
 This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make.  If
 you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own subnet.
  Otherwise routing would not work.  If you're bridging, then the bridged
 interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign an
 IP address to those interfaces.

 I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question:  in a
 routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same subnet,
 and the answer is no.

 HTH,
 John

  After removing all of the HTML, Rick appeared to say... 
 Dear all,
 I have a stupid question, want to clarify.
 is it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in
 the Router?
 Thanks

 Best Regards,
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Re: Stupid question

2001-03-30 Thread John Neiberger

The IP address on a switch or hub is for management purposes only and is
not applied to an actual physical port.  The IP address in a switch or
hub is applied to a virtual interface so you can use IP to test
connectivity or telnet to the device for configuration purposes.

 "Wang Chia Ta" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/30/01 9:40:46 AM 
Thank you for your response. Another question is when or why would you
be
required
to use set an ip address on a switch and/or hub interface?

Thx.

Wang Chia Ta
Systems Support
Mitsubishi Motors
---

""John Neiberger"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
sac446f2.062@fsutil01">news:sac446f2.062@fsutil01...
 This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make. 
If
 you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own
subnet.
  Otherwise routing would not work.  If you're bridging, then the
bridged
 interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign
an
 IP address to those interfaces.

 I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question:  in a
 routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same
subnet,
 and the answer is no.

 HTH,
 John

  After removing all of the HTML, Rick appeared to say... 
 Dear all,
 I have a stupid question, want to clarify.
 is it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in
 the Router?
 Thanks

 Best Regards,
 rick

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Re: URGENT: regarding VoIP

2001-03-30 Thread rajeevbharadwaj

Hi Faisal,
It seems that their is something wrong with your pix. You can rule it out by bypassing 
the pix or the
access-lists.
You can do some of the debugging on your voice routers acting as h.323 gateway.
debug voip spi
debug voip ccapi inout

With these commands you will be able to know whether the call is getting bridged or 
not.I hope this
will help you out.

Regards

Rajeev BHaradwaj

Faisal Khan wrote:

 Hello guys

 Greetings..
 I have my CCIE Exam on April 10 and 11.  I need your urgent help. I am trying to 
setup a Voice
 over IP.  Well everything works fine. When I put access list on one of the router to 
act as a IOS
 firewall, I can't make calls.  Here is a sample access list

 access-list 140 permit tcp any any range 11000 11999
 access-list 150 permit ospf any any
 access-list 150 permit icmp any any echo-reply
 access-list 123 permit ip host 138.1.249.6 host 138.1.252.4
 access-list 150 permit udp any any range 16384 2000
 access-list 150 permit tcp any any eq 1720
 access-list 150 permit tcp any eq 1720 any
 access-list 150 permit tcp any any range 11000 11999
 access-list 150 deny ip any any

 with this configuration, I can ring both phone from either location but I can't hear 
anything.
 Also does any one has info on IP OSFP Demand Circuit over ISDN.  My ISDN line keep 
flapping even
 after putting the demand circuit.  I can see that my routes in OSPF Database has DNA 
mark beside
 it but the line keep coming up.  When do a show dialer, I see the d=224.0.0.5 Any 
idea what could
 cause this?

 I do have access list that permit only ISDN Network.

 Anyway help would be highly appreciate.
 Thank you
 faisal

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IPsec port

2001-03-30 Thread Ruihai An

I configured my PIX as the IPsec VPN terminator to support DES VPN client.
I have an inbound access-list  on my perimeter router.  Does any one know
the ports I need to open for IPsec VPN traffic on my perimeter router ?

Ruihai


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Re: BGP over two ISP links

2001-03-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

Well said Howard, I always believe reading Halabi's book only makes
understand BGP and know how to configure it on Cisco. But there is no way
you can play a peer router in a NAP just based on that knowledge. You will
mostly screw it up.
As you said, most of things are not documented, it is really hard to find
good reference on how to setup an ISP from scratch.

At a certain level, this is good. At another level, it is bad.

I was chatting yesterday with a colleague.  Both of us have medical 
backgrounds, and made an analogy between heart surgery and ISP-level 
routing. It's been statistically demonstrated beyond any serious 
challenge that your outcome as a heart surgery patient depends on how 
often the surgeon AND the whole team/hospital does the procedure. 
It's completely unreasonable to assume that a primary physician will 
be trained in such procedures, and it is also unreasonable to assume 
that an "occasional" heart surgeon will be good at it.

It's one thing to set up a local ISP or a multihomed enterprise, and, 
even there, there is a need for what I'll call maturity of networking 
experience.  How many people post questions here, asking how to "load 
share," without any indication of what problem they are trying to 
solve, the source (if any of their address space), the nature of 
their applications, etc.?  If you can't define what problem you are 
trying to solve, how would you recognize a good solution?

Looking forward to your book. I would suggest that if you could put more
real cases/examples of setup peer routers, verify/update peer policy and
trouble-shooting routing problems.

While my focus is more planning than operations, I'll probably have 
some of this. My inclination would be to use registry-based tools 
(e.g., PRTraceroute) that emphasize policy, with specific 
single-vendor examples at a much lower priority.

Also it would be great if you could,
based on your wide contact in the industry, give us something like this, for
example:
This is how UUnet updates their peer policy everyday, they use a Perl script
to grap daily updates from whois.radb.net database, and automatically update
their peer routers. The script looks like this:. Other ISPs do it other
ways like  uses xxx and xxx uses xxx.

Interesting that you mention UUnet as an example.  Several 
observations:  first, the procedures that a large "tier 1" uses may 
not be relevant to smaller providers.  Second, many of these 
procedures are considered proprietary, although I consider that a 
little silly given the movement of senior routing engineers.

UUnet Europe did present some of their routing policy procedures at 
the RIPE meeting last year.  A great deal of this was controlled by 
data base technologies.  They created, for example, a hierarchy of 
AS-SETs with which a router could peer, roughly at intercontinental, 
continental, regional, and local levels. A routing engineer at a 
certain level could only peer to a predefined set of AS.  The data 
base software let them distinguish between who could modify the sets, 
who could delegate access (of various sorts) to these sets, and who 
could use the sets.

I would hesitate to try to define the actual scripts, because they 
tend to be very provider-specific (e.g., being very tied to their 
ordering/provisioning systems).  I have presented some script 
prototypes for managing customer addressing and related topics; see 
my ARIN October 1999 and subsequent NANOG addressing presentations.


I bet most of people, especially who works for ISPs but not at the top
level, would pay their money for.

Just my 2 cents.
KY

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RE: IPsec port

2001-03-30 Thread Rizzo Damian

AH-port 50, ESP-port 51 and ISAKMP-port 500



-Original Message-
From: Ruihai An [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 12:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: IPsec port


I configured my PIX as the IPsec VPN terminator to support DES VPN client.
I have an inbound access-list  on my perimeter router.  Does any one know
the ports I need to open for IPsec VPN traffic on my perimeter router ?

Ruihai


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Re: Stupid question

2001-03-30 Thread Karen E Young

When you connect to a brand new router for the first time you need to use a console 
connection because there isn't an IP address yet to allow you to connect via telnet. 
Its the same thing with switches and hubs. If you don't have an IP address on the box, 
you're reduced to using console connections to manage them. No PING, no SNMP, no 
telnet.

Does that help?

Karen Young

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On 3/30/2001 at 11:45 AM Wang Chia Ta wrote:

Sorry ... the message should have read:

Thank you for your response. Another question is when or why would you be
required to set an ip address on a switch and/or hub interface?

Thx.

Wang Chia Ta
Systems Support
Mitsubishi Motors
---


""John Neiberger"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
sac446f2.062@fsutil01">news:sac446f2.062@fsutil01...
 This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make.  If
 you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own subnet.
  Otherwise routing would not work.  If you're bridging, then the bridged
 interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign an
 IP address to those interfaces.

 I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question:  in a
 routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same subnet,
 and the answer is no.

 HTH,
 John

  After removing all of the HTML, Rick appeared to say... 
 Dear all,
 I have a stupid question, want to clarify.
 is it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in
 the Router?
 Thanks

 Best Regards,
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Re: Stupid question

2001-03-30 Thread Rodgers Moore

Yes, two or more interfaces can share the same subnet, but bridging is
involved.  You just can't assign ip networks willy nilly to interfaces. :)
What you're looking for is called IRB Bridging.  An example follows.  The ip
address on the BVI  interface is available through both ethernet interfaces.

interface ethernet0
  no ip address
  bridge-group 1

interface ethernet1
  no ip address
  bridge-group 1

interface BVI 1
  ip address 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0

bridge irb
bridge 1 protocol ieee
no bridge 1 bridge ip
bridge 1 route ip

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Back -to-Back

2001-03-30 Thread John Huston

I would appreciate someone's knowledge on how to setup two Cisco 1750's each
having  T1 DSU/CSU WIC's.

Thank you in advance for your assitance.


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Re: linux on a 2500 ? Was: Programming under IOS

2001-03-30 Thread Eric Waguespack

You can run Linux on a 2500? I searched the archive for more details.. didn't find 
any, anyone got a link?

-Eric

Karen E Young wrote:

 Chee Leong,

 There really isn't a need to write an external interface method (such as sockets) 
when one already exists.

 Most, if not all, of what you're asking for is available via SNMP. If you really 
want to write a program to obtain this info all you need to do is write one to issue 
SNMP GETs for the info you want to obtain, collect the responses, parse the data, and 
format it into your chosen format.

 Perl is a pretty good choice for something like this and it seems to me that I ran 
across something in Visual Basic that would let you do it too.

 Hope this helps,

 Karen Young

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 On 3/30/2001 at 10:30 AM Ryan O'Connell wrote:

 There is no porvision for running code other than the IOS itself on a Cisco
 router. (Except you can run Linux on 2500s, but that's probably not what
 you're after)
 
 On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 04:14:43PM -0800, Tan Chee Leong wrote:
  Hi,
 
  First, my apologies if the question makes no sense at all as I am just =
  evaluating it's possibility.  I am also fairly new to CISCO stuff (only =
  got my CCNA a month ago) so your advise on this will be very helpful =
  although it is off-topic.
 
  I am thinking of writing some small programs within the IOS platform =
  such that it can communicate with an external host, using socket =
  programming if you like.  I am interested in obtaining the following:
 
  1.basic configuration.  I know it's contained in the startup-config =
  and with snmp turned on, this information can be retrieved.  However, =
  what if snmp is not turned on?  Is it possible, without going to all the =
  routers to enable snmp, to still obtain this information from a host =
  using tcp? =20
  2.route table.  Particularly I am interested in studying the dynamic =
  changes of the route table over some period of time.  Hence if the =
  router can periodically send information to some internal host within =
  the network, a collection of route tables can be obtained.
 
  If in the end I have to do my own programming, it will lead on to =
  several other questions:=20
 
  1.is it feasible in the first place, given that CISCO IOS is =
  proprietory stuff? =20
  2.where can I get programming info?  any recommendations?
 
  Really appreciate if you can help me on this.
 
  Cheers,
  Chee Leong
 
 
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RE: Slightly OT: Juniper Classes

2001-03-30 Thread Moe Tavakoli

Can you tell me what comapny you work for, I need to know where I should
take the class.  If anyone knows of other companies that would be great
also.  Are there any hands-on lab type classes for Juniper that may help
with the lab test?

Thanks.

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Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 8:08 AM
To: Tom Thomas; Eric Gunn; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Slightly OT: Juniper Classes


Hi Eric,

I teach the class. It won't be enough for you to pass JNCIS. It is however a

very good course, but then I would say that.

Dave Humphrey

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Tom Thomas
Sent: 30 March 2001 02:38
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Subject: RE: Slightly OT: Juniper Classes


I take it in 2 weeks email me then and I will let you know.

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Has anyone taken the 5 day training class put out by Juniper? I want to 
make sure it is worth the money since I will be spending my own money to 
attend it.

Is it worth the money? Does it cover enough to pass the JNCIS? I am 
currently a CCNP+Security that has passed the CCIE written and in the 
process of studying for my Lab exam.

Any opinions, suggestions, Etc

Thank You,

Eric Gunn

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RE: Back -to-Back

2001-03-30 Thread Rizzo Damian

Try here:
http://www-1.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Support/OpenForum/dispnewqa.pl/6614



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Subject: Back -to-Back


I would appreciate someone's knowledge on how to setup two Cisco 1750's each
having  T1 DSU/CSU WIC's.

Thank you in advance for your assitance.


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Syslog software comparison

2001-03-30 Thread Ruihai An

Can somebody recommend a Syslog server?  We are comparing Syslog servers
from Cisco, 3Com, and Private I, and we would like features such as: support
PIX and routers, allow flexible query by source, destination IP, port, or
word in message body,  trigger alert, e-mail.

Thanks

Ruihai


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RE: IPsec port

2001-03-30 Thread Evans, TJ

One important distinction - AH and ESP are not on 'ports' per se, but
protocols...

i.e. - to allow AH thorugh PIX you *would not* use
conduit permit tcp host w.x.y.z eq AH any   replacing
AH w/ 50 will also not work ... well, it will - but will allow

instead, the following would be TWID:
conduit permit ah any any   
same for esp, icmp if allowing all ... 


see also http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~rakerman/port-table.html  ... "Note
that certain services such as IPSec and Microsoft's PPTP use non-TCP/UDP
protocols so they are not covered on this page. In particular, PPTP uses GRE
(protocol 47) and IPSec uses ESP (protocol 50) and AH (protocol 51).
Protocol numbers are not the same as port numbers. IANA maintains the
Assigned Internet Protocol Numbers. "


Thanks!
TJ

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Subject:RE: IPsec port

AH-port 50, ESP-port 51 and ISAKMP-port 500



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Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 12:05 PM
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Subject: IPsec port


I configured my PIX as the IPsec VPN terminator to support DES VPN client.
I have an inbound access-list  on my perimeter router.  Does any one know
the ports I need to open for IPsec VPN traffic on my perimeter router ?

Ruihai


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RE: The Finale: OSPF and IP Classless (partial retraction)

2001-03-30 Thread Bob Vance

Actually, John my treatises :) on this subject a year ago showed this.

   ip classless
*only* affects the lookups *outside* the classful aggregate.  Any
supernet *within* the classful aggregate *will* be used, even with
   no ip classless
set.
Thus, a learned route,  10.1.0.0/16 , will be used for address 10.1.1.1
, but not 10.2.2.2 .
(*if* I still understand what I wrote below ;).


Here is part of my original work on the subject for those who are
feeling drowsy, but just can't nod off completely ;)



Thanks to the lab of
Ding So
I was able to pound the last nail in the coffin of how

[no] ip classless

affects route lookups (the doco makes no mention of route installation,
so we would guess that it has no effect.  Further investigation will be
required to confirm/debunk this).

I will do a little write up, here, that can be challenged by anyone with
a dash of temerity:

   (Note that I've tried several times and I just can't seem to
find a clear, yet succinct way to describe this.
   )
==

Under old, classful routing it was assumed that all local networks would
be subnets of one or a couple of classful networks and that all the
subnets of a particular classful network, say "X" (e.g., X=172.16.0.0),
would be "connected" to each other.

What this means is that, for each and every pair of subnets of classful
network "X", there would be an interconnecting path among 1 or more
routers, that could be traversed *entirely* on segments whose IP network
addresses are subnets of classful network "X".

If the above requirement does not obtain, i.e., if the network path
*must* include a subnet of a *different* classful network, say "Y", then
we call this situation
"a discontiguous network".
or  "X has discontiguous subnets"
or  "X has disconnected subnets"
.

Another assumption in this environment is that, if we (a router) know
about any particular subnet of "X", then we should know about *all*
subnets of "X" that actually exist; either by our having one or more
interfaces within a subnet of X, an admin giving us proper static
routes,
or by information received from a routing protocol.

With the above in mind, the router will not entertain a route to a
subnet of network "Y" that isn't a route to a network address *within*
network "Y" (it can be that actual network aggregate, itself; e.g., a
route to 172.16.0.0/16, in the above example) -- that would mean
discontiguity.
In particular, it will *not* consider the "default" route
0.0.0.0/0
for any address within classful Y, if it has information about at least
one subnet of Y.
In addition (and this is the one always left out of the textbooks), it
will not consider *any* *supernets* routes of Y.  The 0.0.0.0/0 is just
a particular case of this rule (0.0.0.0/0 is always a supernet of
*every*
network address -- it contains *0* bits that do not match).

If you look at a

show ip route

you'll notice that the table is broken up into sections at *classful*
network boundaries, *even* if

ip classless

is set.
Note that supernet routes, including 0.0.0.0/0, are not listed within
any
classful section -- they are listed separately, on their own.

What the router does, with

no ip classless

set, is to first check to see if the target address in question falls
within one of these "known" sections -- i.e., in one of the "known"
classful networks.  If so, he will use the *longest* match for the
target
address that he can find in that section.
   (Note that this is a point also often left out of the text books.
Remember: a router will *always* try to do a longest-prefix match,
except for the constraint mentioned here, for 'no ip classless.
   )
*But*, he will *not* look *outside* that section (classful network),
when
no ip classless
is set.

With the advent of the Internet and CIDR and "prefixes", the above logic
may not be good enough.  When considering a given prefix and because of
the vagaries of the way addresses were handed out in the beginning, it
is very possible that "subnets" of that prefix (addresses with a longer
prefix, but yet still matching the original prefix in question) may
be disconnected.  Of course, this is a situation that is trying to be
remedied, but it is still possible.

So, now, it is very desirable to try "supernet" routes, in particular
the ever-hopeful "default" route, 0.0.0.0/0.
   (Actually, in this "prefix" environment, the concept of "supernet"
and "subnet" disappear.  Every route is simply a summary or
aggregate route to a bunch of possible addresses.
   )

This is what

ip classless

does.  It allows the router look *outside* the classful "section"
   (It can "think outside the lines", if you just *have* to use
that terminology:)
   )
In fact, the router doesn't care about the "sections" (classful
networks) anymore.
He simply uses the longest match that he can find anywhere in the table,

Updated Cisco Visio Icons

2001-03-30 Thread Andrew Cook

I recently downloaded the latest Cisco icons as a PowerPoint
presentation and have converted them into a Visio stencil.  Since
Cisco explicitly renounces copyright:

"These icons are free for your use in network diagrams, presentations,
and so on. Cisco Systems Inc. retains no registration or copyrights
for the useage of the icons."

I have put them up on a website (excuse the quick HTML) at
http://143.190.10.229/

It is about 700K zipped.

Andrew Cook



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Re: Back -to-Back

2001-03-30 Thread David Cooper

hey again,

I've done this. I got the info on back-to-back at:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/471/75.html
This should be about all ya need :)

Dave
On Friday 30 March 2001 12:46, John Huston wrote:
 I would appreciate someone's knowledge on how to setup two Cisco 1750's
 each having  T1 DSU/CSU WIC's.

 Thank you in advance for your assitance.


 John Huston
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RE: IPsec port

2001-03-30 Thread Kane, Christopher A.

Actually, you have it backwards. AH = port 51. ESP = port 50.

Christopher A. Kane, CCNP
Senior Network Control Tech
Router Ops Center/Hilliard NOC
UUNET
(614)723-7877



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Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 12:19 PM
To: 'Ruihai An'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: IPsec port


AH-port 50, ESP-port 51 and ISAKMP-port 500



-Original Message-
From: Ruihai An [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 12:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: IPsec port


I configured my PIX as the IPsec VPN terminator to support DES VPN client.
I have an inbound access-list  on my perimeter router.  Does any one know
the ports I need to open for IPsec VPN traffic on my perimeter router ?

Ruihai


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ANYBODY HELP ? I cant understand this assigment.....!

2001-03-30 Thread Steiven Poh \(Jaring\)

 The simulation code you are given treats the Ethernet as a star =
topology LAN with a central repeater and a line to each node. All =
traffic appears on every line. The simulation assumes that the longest =
distance from one station to another across an ethernet is 400m, and the =
signal travels at 80% of the speed of light, which is 300 million metres =
per second. Determine D for this network (D is the propagation delay =
across the network).=20
Conduct simulations of this network at 10%, 40%, 80%, 95% and 120% =
nominal utilization. Utilization is the proportion of the time that the =
ethernet is carrying successful packets. The nominal utilization is the =
utilization which would be achieved if all packets were successfully =
carried. For example, 40% nominal utilisation will be achieved when =
packets arrive at the rate 0.4 * 10,000,000 / (250*8) =3D 2000 packets =
per second. Some of these factors mean that the actual proportion of =
time during which the network is busy could be greater or less than 40%. =

In each of these simulations, you should measureor investigate:=20


  a.. the effective utilization rate (only count bits successfully =
sent),=20
  b.. the rate at which packets are rejected by the ethernet access =
layer (also known as the packet loss rate),=20
  c.. packet throughput (ie. 1 - the loss rate),=20
  d.. collision rate (collisions per packet),=20
  e.. average number of packets involved in a collision,=20
  f.. the average number of collisions experienced by a packet given =
that it experiences one collision, and=20
  g.. the average delay experienced by a packet.=20
In addition, repeat the simulations at 40% and 80% for a network with =
100 times the propagation delay, as might be experienced if the network =
was extended over too wide a physical distance.=20

Note that the package length in the program is in bytes, and some =
figures may not be explicitly designed in the program, it requires you =
to investigate from the program execution statistics.=20

Submission Requirements=20

The submission should be in the form of essay. In the essay, you should=20

1. determine the number of bits which can be transmitted in the time D, =
given that the transmission rate of the network is 10 Mbit/s, the =
average packet length is 250 bytes, and the nominal utilization level of =
the network is 80%.=20

2. tabulate or plot these resultsfor the network of LAN at different =
nominal utilization. Also, you should comment on the significance of the =
results for the successful management of an ethernet LAN.=20

3. tabulate or plot the results for the network (ie, 100 times the =
propagation delays) but only at 40% and 80% of the nominal utilization. =
You shall comment on the implication of these experiments


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RE: The Finale: OSPF and IP Classless (partial retraction)

2001-03-30 Thread John Neiberger

Geez, you're right.  I'm starting to miss the forest because I've looked
at too many trees!

Yes, even in my experiments, I now remember seeing that the router
would pick a supernet route for a specific major network.  Others
pointed this out to me and I had completely forgotten that particular
point.

The moral of the story is:  always use 'ip classless' and then quit
worrying about it.

From here onward I will no longer refer to 'ip classless'.it is now
'ip clueless'.  :-)

 "Bob Vance" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/30/01 11:22:53 AM 
Actually, John my treatises :) on this subject a year ago showed this.

   ip classless
*only* affects the lookups *outside* the classful aggregate.  Any
supernet *within* the classful aggregate *will* be used, even with
   no ip classless
set.
Thus, a learned route,  10.1.0.0/16 , will be used for address
10.1.1.1
, but not 10.2.2.2 .
(*if* I still understand what I wrote below ;).


Here is part of my original work on the subject for those who are
feeling drowsy, but just can't nod off completely ;)



Thanks to the lab of
Ding So
I was able to pound the last nail in the coffin of how

[no] ip classless

affects route lookups (the doco makes no mention of route
installation,
so we would guess that it has no effect.  Further investigation will
be
required to confirm/debunk this).

I will do a little write up, here, that can be challenged by anyone
with
a dash of temerity:

   (Note that I've tried several times and I just can't seem to
find a clear, yet succinct way to describe this.
   )
==

Under old, classful routing it was assumed that all local networks
would
be subnets of one or a couple of classful networks and that all the
subnets of a particular classful network, say "X" (e.g.,
X=172.16.0.0),
would be "connected" to each other.

What this means is that, for each and every pair of subnets of
classful
network "X", there would be an interconnecting path among 1 or more
routers, that could be traversed *entirely* on segments whose IP
network
addresses are subnets of classful network "X".

If the above requirement does not obtain, i.e., if the network path
*must* include a subnet of a *different* classful network, say "Y",
then
we call this situation
"a discontiguous network".
or  "X has discontiguous subnets"
or  "X has disconnected subnets"
.

Another assumption in this environment is that, if we (a router) know
about any particular subnet of "X", then we should know about *all*
subnets of "X" that actually exist; either by our having one or more
interfaces within a subnet of X, an admin giving us proper static
routes,
or by information received from a routing protocol.

With the above in mind, the router will not entertain a route to a
subnet of network "Y" that isn't a route to a network address *within*
network "Y" (it can be that actual network aggregate, itself; e.g., a
route to 172.16.0.0/16, in the above example) -- that would mean
discontiguity.
In particular, it will *not* consider the "default" route
0.0.0.0/0
for any address within classful Y, if it has information about at
least
one subnet of Y.
In addition (and this is the one always left out of the textbooks), it
will not consider *any* *supernets* routes of Y.  The 0.0.0.0/0 is
just
a particular case of this rule (0.0.0.0/0 is always a supernet of
*every*
network address -- it contains *0* bits that do not match).

If you look at a

show ip route

you'll notice that the table is broken up into sections at *classful*
network boundaries, *even* if

ip classless

is set.
Note that supernet routes, including 0.0.0.0/0, are not listed within
any
classful section -- they are listed separately, on their own.

What the router does, with

no ip classless

set, is to first check to see if the target address in question falls
within one of these "known" sections -- i.e., in one of the "known"
classful networks.  If so, he will use the *longest* match for the
target
address that he can find in that section.
   (Note that this is a point also often left out of the text books.
Remember: a router will *always* try to do a longest-prefix match,
except for the constraint mentioned here, for 'no ip classless.
   )
*But*, he will *not* look *outside* that section (classful network),
when
no ip classless
is set.

With the advent of the Internet and CIDR and "prefixes", the above
logic
may not be good enough.  When considering a given prefix and because
of
the vagaries of the way addresses were handed out in the beginning, it
is very possible that "subnets" of that prefix (addresses with a
longer
prefix, but yet still matching the original prefix in question) may
be disconnected.  Of course, this is a situation that is trying to be
remedied, but it is still possible.

So, now, it is very desirable to try "supernet" routes, in particular
the ever-hopeful "default" route, 0.0.0.0/0.
   

Re: Stupid question

2001-03-30 Thread EA LOUIE

"John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The IP address on a switch or hub is for management purposes only and is
 not applied to an actual physical port.  The IP address in a switch or
 hub is applied to a virtual interface so you can use IP to test
 connectivity or telnet to the device for configuration purposes.

...and don't forget for SNMP monitoring/management, too, if enabled

:-)

-e-

 
  "Wang Chia Ta" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/30/01 9:40:46 AM 
 Thank you for your response. Another question is when or why would you
 be
 required
 to use set an ip address on a switch and/or hub interface?
 
 Thx.
 
 Wang Chia Ta
 Systems Support
 Mitsubishi Motors
 ---
 
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 sac446f2.062@fsutil01">news:sac446f2.062@fsutil01...
  This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make. 
 If
  you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own
 subnet.
   Otherwise routing would not work.  If you're bridging, then the
 bridged
  interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign
 an
  IP address to those interfaces.
 
  I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question:  in a
  routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same
 subnet,
  and the answer is no.
 
  HTH,
  John
 
   After removing all of the HTML, Rick appeared to say... 
  Dear all,
  I have a stupid question, want to clarify.
  is it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in
  the Router?
  Thanks
 
  Best Regards,
  rick
 
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ATM

2001-03-30 Thread Mohammed Khan

Hi,

I have a question regarding the ATM PVC configurations on GSR.

Any help on this would be highly appreciated.


1. How many PVCs can be configured on one single  ATM sub-interface, passing
traffic through all the PVC,s.

2. How many PVCs can be configured on the GSR box?

Thanks,
Mohammed.

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Re: Updated Cisco Visio Icons

2001-03-30 Thread Andrew Cook

The first set I posted was in Visio 2000 format - I just added another
link for V5...

Andrew

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Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 1:22 PM
Subject: Updated Cisco Visio Icons


 I recently downloaded the latest Cisco icons as a PowerPoint
 presentation and have converted them into a Visio stencil.  Since
 Cisco explicitly renounces copyright:

 "These icons are free for your use in network diagrams,
presentations,
 and so on. Cisco Systems Inc. retains no registration or copyrights
 for the useage of the icons."

 I have put them up on a website (excuse the quick HTML) at
 http://143.190.10.229/

 It is about 700K zipped.

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RE: The Finale: OSPF and IP Classless (partial retraction)

2001-03-30 Thread Bob Vance

it is now  'ip clueless'.  :-)

LOL

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: The Finale: OSPF and IP Classless (partial retraction)


Geez, you're right.  I'm starting to miss the forest because I've looked
at too many trees!

Yes, even in my experiments, I now remember seeing that the router
would pick a supernet route for a specific major network.  Others
pointed this out to me and I had completely forgotten that particular
point.

The moral of the story is:  always use 'ip classless' and then quit
worrying about it.

From here onward I will no longer refer to 'ip classless'.it is now
'ip clueless'.  :-)

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Re: EIGRP clarification

2001-03-30 Thread Jack Williams

It reminds me more of "Life of Brian", where Brian tells the multitude "You're all 
individuals!  You're all different!"

A single voice in the crowd replies "I'm not".

--Original Message--
From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 29, 2001 6:30:18 PM GMT
Subject: Re: EIGRP clarification


Look at all those routing technologies - they are all different; 
except *that* one, it's the same...

Z


Are you quoting Yakov Rekhter: "at a sufficiently high level, 
everything is the same?"  Not sure I follow your point.


From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: EIGRP clarification
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:19:21 -0500

Preparing for my BSCN exam, I have found myself unclear as to whether or
not EIGRP is in fact a Hybrid or Distance-Vector protocol. All the Cisco
classes I've been too have always referred to EIGRP as a Balanced Hybrid
protocol, now studying for my CCNP, I am finding EIGRP referred to as a
Distance-vector protocol???...How is this possible? Thanks...


  From a technical standpoint, EIGRP is emphatically distance vector.
  From a marketing standpoint, Cisco has called it "hybrid," which has
no accepted technical meaning. Training and certification have picked
up that terminology.

"Hybrid" is an attempt to differentiate EIGRP, and its DUAL
algorithm, from the problems of first and second generation DV
protocols. JJ Garcia-Luna-Aceves, the inventor of DUAL, always has
called it an advanced DV protocol, and he continues to work on even
more advanced DV.

There's nothing inherently wrong with DV.  EIGRP legitimately has
fixed some of the problems of earlier DV protocols, such as the lack
of a hello subprotocol and reliable update mechanism.  Without these
mechanisms, periodic update becomes necessary, and the protocol can't
be loop-free.

Calling something "hybrid" is about as sensible as saying "route bad,
switch good," or "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than
others."

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Re: Stupid question

2001-03-30 Thread Mask Of Zorro

Just to throw a wrinkle in all of this, a Cisco router WILL allow you to 
place up to 4 SERIAL interfaces in the same subnet. Try it... do like this:

Routerconf t
Router(config)int s0
Router(config-if)ip add 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
Router(config-if)int s1
Router(config-if)ip add 10.1.1.3 255.255.255.0

This works... the router will not complain. Why would you need to do this? I 
dunno, but you can if you want to - only on SERIAL interfaces...

Z




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Subject: Re: Stupid question
Date: 30 Mar 2001 10:50:28 PST

"John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The IP address on a switch or hub is for management purposes only and is
  not applied to an actual physical port.  The IP address in a switch or
  hub is applied to a virtual interface so you can use IP to test
  connectivity or telnet to the device for configuration purposes.

...and don't forget for SNMP monitoring/management, too, if enabled

:-)

-e-

 
   "Wang Chia Ta" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/30/01 9:40:46 AM 
  Thank you for your response. Another question is when or why would you
  be
  required
  to use set an ip address on a switch and/or hub interface?
 
  Thx.
 
  Wang Chia Ta
  Systems Support
  Mitsubishi Motors
  ---
 
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   This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make.
  If
   you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own
  subnet.
Otherwise routing would not work.  If you're bridging, then the
  bridged
   interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign
  an
   IP address to those interfaces.
  
   I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question:  in a
   routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same
  subnet,
   and the answer is no.
  
   HTH,
   John
  
After removing all of the HTML, Rick appeared to say... 
   Dear all,
   I have a stupid question, want to clarify.
   is it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in
   the Router?
   Thanks
  
   Best Regards,
   rick
  
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Re: VPN 5001 concentrator

2001-03-30 Thread The.Rock

Thanks, that was very informative. But let me give you an update...

We decided to try another scenario:

We tried throwing a Win200 running Internet connection sharing into the mix:

Internet  router   Win2K ( workstation dual nic, one to router other to
hub) hub  clients on hub.

This seems to somehow bypass any problems that we had with the router. I
guess Win2k is able to differentiate the sessions to the corresponding
client when multiple tunnels are initiated. We have tried this with 2
different routers and haven't had any problems.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
3A39CA99.6102.409A2@localhost">news:3A39CA99.6102.409A2@localhost...
 Let me guess, the clients are behind a Linksys router doing PAT
 (NAPT)?

 PATing devices typically cannot allow more than 1 IPSec session
 to pass-thru.  The reason for this is that the inbound IPSec SA is
 only determined by 3 things: dst addr, protocol (ESP or AH) and
 the Security Parameter Index (SPI).  The dst addr and protocol will
 be the same, only ESP will work, so that only leaves the SPI to
 differentiate inbound SA's.

 The SPI is chosen by the destination and given to the sender
 during the initial ISAKMP negotiation.  The PATing device can't see
 this negotiation, so it would be very difficult to allow multiple IPSec
 stations to establish connections.  i.e. how can the PATing device
 determine which internal station the traffic is being sent to?

 One way you could do this would be to make an assumption that
 any new inbound SA's belong to the last inside station to initiate a
 connection and just keep track of all IPSec initiations from internal
 stations and map it to inbound SPI's.  This would work in some
 cases, but then there are potential problems if you have lots of
 internal clients making requests about the same time.

 Bottom line, don't expect anyone to implement this functionality
 any time soon, if ever.  What is more likely is that vendors will
 implement proprietary schemes to allow their VPN clients to talk
 through a NAT/PAT gateway to their VPN gateway as Cisco has
 done with the VPN 3000. (ala wrapping the IPSec packets with a
 UDP header)

 An option would be to terminate the IPSec tunnels on a common
 perimeter device for all internal clients, or use an alternative VPN
 protocol, like SSL ala the Aventail product.

 HTH,
 Kent

 On 29 Mar 2001, at 13:22, The.Rock wrote:

  Here's the problem:
 
  2 clients,both sharing a DSL line. both use VPN client for 5001
 
  When one is connected it is fine and if you add another connection off
  the same dsl while the other computer is connected, the VPN tunnel
  keeps dropping. Any ideas ?
 
 
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Re: IPsec port

2001-03-30 Thread The.Rock

If your running radius authentication don't you also have to open up 1812 
1813 ? Or is this done off of another interface and not the inbound IPsec
port ( I don't know, I don't have a Pix) ?

""Kane, Christopher A."" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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 Actually, you have it backwards. AH = port 51. ESP = port 50.

 Christopher A. Kane, CCNP
 Senior Network Control Tech
 Router Ops Center/Hilliard NOC
 UUNET
 (614)723-7877



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 Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 12:19 PM
 To: 'Ruihai An'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: IPsec port


 AH-port 50, ESP-port 51 and ISAKMP-port 500



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 Subject: IPsec port


 I configured my PIX as the IPsec VPN terminator to support DES VPN client.
 I have an inbound access-list  on my perimeter router.  Does any one know
 the ports I need to open for IPsec VPN traffic on my perimeter router ?

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RE: The Finale: OSPF and IP Classless (partial retraction)

2001-03-30 Thread Kane, Christopher A.

Since the solution points to adding "ip classless", my question would be:
When would someone use/need to have "no ip classless". Does anyone use "no
ip classless" as a standard in their configurations? And if so, what is
gained?

Christopher A. Kane, CCNP
Senior Network Control Tech
Router Ops Center/Hilliard NOC
UUNET
(614)723-7877



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From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 1:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: The Finale: OSPF and IP Classless (partial retraction)


Geez, you're right.  I'm starting to miss the forest because I've looked
at too many trees!

Yes, even in my experiments, I now remember seeing that the router
would pick a supernet route for a specific major network.  Others
pointed this out to me and I had completely forgotten that particular
point.

The moral of the story is:  always use 'ip classless' and then quit
worrying about it.

From here onward I will no longer refer to 'ip classless'.it is now
'ip clueless'.  :-)

 "Bob Vance" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/30/01 11:22:53 AM 
Actually, John my treatises :) on this subject a year ago showed this.

   ip classless
*only* affects the lookups *outside* the classful aggregate.  Any
supernet *within* the classful aggregate *will* be used, even with
   no ip classless
set.
Thus, a learned route,  10.1.0.0/16 , will be used for address
10.1.1.1
, but not 10.2.2.2 .
(*if* I still understand what I wrote below ;).


Here is part of my original work on the subject for those who are
feeling drowsy, but just can't nod off completely ;)



Thanks to the lab of
Ding So
I was able to pound the last nail in the coffin of how

[no] ip classless

affects route lookups (the doco makes no mention of route
installation,
so we would guess that it has no effect.  Further investigation will
be
required to confirm/debunk this).

I will do a little write up, here, that can be challenged by anyone
with
a dash of temerity:

   (Note that I've tried several times and I just can't seem to
find a clear, yet succinct way to describe this.
   )
==

Under old, classful routing it was assumed that all local networks
would
be subnets of one or a couple of classful networks and that all the
subnets of a particular classful network, say "X" (e.g.,
X=172.16.0.0),
would be "connected" to each other.

What this means is that, for each and every pair of subnets of
classful
network "X", there would be an interconnecting path among 1 or more
routers, that could be traversed *entirely* on segments whose IP
network
addresses are subnets of classful network "X".

If the above requirement does not obtain, i.e., if the network path
*must* include a subnet of a *different* classful network, say "Y",
then
we call this situation
"a discontiguous network".
or  "X has discontiguous subnets"
or  "X has disconnected subnets"
.

Another assumption in this environment is that, if we (a router) know
about any particular subnet of "X", then we should know about *all*
subnets of "X" that actually exist; either by our having one or more
interfaces within a subnet of X, an admin giving us proper static
routes,
or by information received from a routing protocol.

With the above in mind, the router will not entertain a route to a
subnet of network "Y" that isn't a route to a network address *within*
network "Y" (it can be that actual network aggregate, itself; e.g., a
route to 172.16.0.0/16, in the above example) -- that would mean
discontiguity.
In particular, it will *not* consider the "default" route
0.0.0.0/0
for any address within classful Y, if it has information about at
least
one subnet of Y.
In addition (and this is the one always left out of the textbooks), it
will not consider *any* *supernets* routes of Y.  The 0.0.0.0/0 is
just
a particular case of this rule (0.0.0.0/0 is always a supernet of
*every*
network address -- it contains *0* bits that do not match).

If you look at a

show ip route

you'll notice that the table is broken up into sections at *classful*
network boundaries, *even* if

ip classless

is set.
Note that supernet routes, including 0.0.0.0/0, are not listed within
any
classful section -- they are listed separately, on their own.

What the router does, with

no ip classless

set, is to first check to see if the target address in question falls
within one of these "known" sections -- i.e., in one of the "known"
classful networks.  If so, he will use the *longest* match for the
target
address that he can find in that section.
   (Note that this is a point also often left out of the text books.
Remember: a router will *always* try to do a longest-prefix match,
except for the constraint mentioned here, for 'no ip classless.
   )
*But*, he will *not* look *outside* that section (classful network),
when
no ip classless
is set.

With the advent of the 

ccbootcamp written prep material?

2001-03-30 Thread Scott Hoover

Anybody have any experience with the CCIE written prep. material from
ccbootcamp.com?  Is it a fair measure of being prepared for the written
exam?

Thanks,
Scott
CCNP


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Re: VPN 5001 concentrator

2001-03-30 Thread The.Rock

I forgot to add one thing. If we use a Linksys router we can get it to work
one way:

We have two VPN boxes both at a different location across the US ( site A
and site B). As long as one client connects to site A and the other client
connects to site B, they work. Its when you try the same site that it
eventually fails.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
3A39CA99.6102.409A2@localhost">news:3A39CA99.6102.409A2@localhost...
 Let me guess, the clients are behind a Linksys router doing PAT
 (NAPT)?

 PATing devices typically cannot allow more than 1 IPSec session
 to pass-thru.  The reason for this is that the inbound IPSec SA is
 only determined by 3 things: dst addr, protocol (ESP or AH) and
 the Security Parameter Index (SPI).  The dst addr and protocol will
 be the same, only ESP will work, so that only leaves the SPI to
 differentiate inbound SA's.

 The SPI is chosen by the destination and given to the sender
 during the initial ISAKMP negotiation.  The PATing device can't see
 this negotiation, so it would be very difficult to allow multiple IPSec
 stations to establish connections.  i.e. how can the PATing device
 determine which internal station the traffic is being sent to?

 One way you could do this would be to make an assumption that
 any new inbound SA's belong to the last inside station to initiate a
 connection and just keep track of all IPSec initiations from internal
 stations and map it to inbound SPI's.  This would work in some
 cases, but then there are potential problems if you have lots of
 internal clients making requests about the same time.

 Bottom line, don't expect anyone to implement this functionality
 any time soon, if ever.  What is more likely is that vendors will
 implement proprietary schemes to allow their VPN clients to talk
 through a NAT/PAT gateway to their VPN gateway as Cisco has
 done with the VPN 3000. (ala wrapping the IPSec packets with a
 UDP header)

 An option would be to terminate the IPSec tunnels on a common
 perimeter device for all internal clients, or use an alternative VPN
 protocol, like SSL ala the Aventail product.

 HTH,
 Kent

 On 29 Mar 2001, at 13:22, The.Rock wrote:

  Here's the problem:
 
  2 clients,both sharing a DSL line. both use VPN client for 5001
 
  When one is connected it is fine and if you add another connection off
  the same dsl while the other computer is connected, the VPN tunnel
  keeps dropping. Any ideas ?
 
 
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Re: ANYBODY HELP ? I cant understand this assigment.....!

2001-03-30 Thread Allen May

I saw this on Star Trek once.  You have to induce a subspace photon gamma
ray beacon to neutralize the incorrect propogation electron strays in the
data stream.

heh...actually I don't have a clue.  Which test is this for??



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Subject: ANYBODY HELP ? I cant understand this assigment.!


 The simulation code you are given treats the Ethernet as a star =
 topology LAN with a central repeater and a line to each node. All =
 traffic appears on every line. The simulation assumes that the longest =
 distance from one station to another across an ethernet is 400m, and the =
 signal travels at 80% of the speed of light, which is 300 million metres =
 per second. Determine D for this network (D is the propagation delay =
 across the network).=20
 Conduct simulations of this network at 10%, 40%, 80%, 95% and 120% =
 nominal utilization. Utilization is the proportion of the time that the =
 ethernet is carrying successful packets. The nominal utilization is the =
 utilization which would be achieved if all packets were successfully =
 carried. For example, 40% nominal utilisation will be achieved when =
 packets arrive at the rate 0.4 * 10,000,000 / (250*8) =3D 2000 packets =
 per second. Some of these factors mean that the actual proportion of =
 time during which the network is busy could be greater or less than 40%. =

 In each of these simulations, you should measureor investigate:=20


   a.. the effective utilization rate (only count bits successfully =
 sent),=20
   b.. the rate at which packets are rejected by the ethernet access =
 layer (also known as the packet loss rate),=20
   c.. packet throughput (ie. 1 - the loss rate),=20
   d.. collision rate (collisions per packet),=20
   e.. average number of packets involved in a collision,=20
   f.. the average number of collisions experienced by a packet given =
 that it experiences one collision, and=20
   g.. the average delay experienced by a packet.=20
 In addition, repeat the simulations at 40% and 80% for a network with =
 100 times the propagation delay, as might be experienced if the network =
 was extended over too wide a physical distance.=20

 Note that the package length in the program is in bytes, and some =
 figures may not be explicitly designed in the program, it requires you =
 to investigate from the program execution statistics.=20

 Submission Requirements=20

 The submission should be in the form of essay. In the essay, you should=20

 1. determine the number of bits which can be transmitted in the time D, =
 given that the transmission rate of the network is 10 Mbit/s, the =
 average packet length is 250 bytes, and the nominal utilization level of =
 the network is 80%.=20

 2. tabulate or plot these resultsfor the network of LAN at different =
 nominal utilization. Also, you should comment on the significance of the =
 results for the successful management of an ethernet LAN.=20

 3. tabulate or plot the results for the network (ie, 100 times the =
 propagation delays) but only at 40% and 80% of the nominal utilization. =
 You shall comment on the implication of these experiments


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Re: EIGRP clarification

2001-03-30 Thread Allen May

You're unique.  Just like everyone else.

- Original Message -
From: "Jack Williams" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: EIGRP clarification


 It reminds me more of "Life of Brian", where Brian tells the multitude
"You're all individuals!  You're all different!"

 A single voice in the crowd replies "I'm not".

 --Original Message--
 From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: March 29, 2001 6:30:18 PM GMT
 Subject: Re: EIGRP clarification


 Look at all those routing technologies - they are all different;
 except *that* one, it's the same...
 
 Z


 Are you quoting Yakov Rekhter: "at a sufficiently high level,
 everything is the same?"  Not sure I follow your point.

 
 From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: EIGRP clarification
 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:19:21 -0500
 
 Preparing for my BSCN exam, I have found myself unclear as to
whether or
 not EIGRP is in fact a Hybrid or Distance-Vector protocol. All the
Cisco
 classes I've been too have always referred to EIGRP as a Balanced
Hybrid
 protocol, now studying for my CCNP, I am finding EIGRP referred to as a
 Distance-vector protocol???...How is this possible? Thanks...
 
 
   From a technical standpoint, EIGRP is emphatically distance vector.
   From a marketing standpoint, Cisco has called it "hybrid," which has
 no accepted technical meaning. Training and certification have picked
 up that terminology.
 
 "Hybrid" is an attempt to differentiate EIGRP, and its DUAL
 algorithm, from the problems of first and second generation DV
 protocols. JJ Garcia-Luna-Aceves, the inventor of DUAL, always has
 called it an advanced DV protocol, and he continues to work on even
 more advanced DV.
 
 There's nothing inherently wrong with DV.  EIGRP legitimately has
 fixed some of the problems of earlier DV protocols, such as the lack
 of a hello subprotocol and reliable update mechanism.  Without these
 mechanisms, periodic update becomes necessary, and the protocol can't
 be loop-free.
 
 Calling something "hybrid" is about as sensible as saying "route bad,
 switch good," or "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than
 others."

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Re: The Finale: OSPF and IP Classless (partial retraction)

2001-03-30 Thread Allen May

I'm blonde.  I don't get it.

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 it is now  'ip clueless'.  :-)

 LOL

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 -Original Message-
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 Subject: RE: The Finale: OSPF and IP Classless (partial retraction)


 Geez, you're right.  I'm starting to miss the forest because I've looked
 at too many trees!

 Yes, even in my experiments, I now remember seeing that the router
 would pick a supernet route for a specific major network.  Others
 pointed this out to me and I had completely forgotten that particular
 point.

 The moral of the story is:  always use 'ip classless' and then quit
 worrying about it.

 From here onward I will no longer refer to 'ip classless'.it is now
 'ip clueless'.  :-)

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Re: Back -to-Back

2001-03-30 Thread The.Rock

Just make a crossover cable. You need pins 1  2, and also 4  5 . Reverse
this on the other end of the cable. This is what the links say. I don't know
why they couldn't tell ya...

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 I would appreciate someone's knowledge on how to setup two Cisco 1750's
each
 having  T1 DSU/CSU WIC's.

 Thank you in advance for your assitance.


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Re: ANYBODY HELP ? I cant understand this assigment.....!

2001-03-30 Thread The.Rock

I can't find those functions on my calculator... DAMN, I'm getting behind
already!!!

I'm looking at this and I'm thinking that some of your answers will vary
with the type of equipment you have? Am I wrong in thinking this. Also there
is a certain amount of variables "assumed" here. I can tell you this,
without having to do all the math. The higher the utilization the more
traffic generated thus causing more collisions and higher latency. The
implications of higher utilization is that your network will bog down and
physically, as well as virtually, suck! There's my 2 cents... LOL

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 The simulation code you are given treats the Ethernet as a star =
 topology LAN with a central repeater and a line to each node. All =
 traffic appears on every line. The simulation assumes that the longest =
 distance from one station to another across an ethernet is 400m, and the =
 signal travels at 80% of the speed of light, which is 300 million metres =
 per second. Determine D for this network (D is the propagation delay =
 across the network).=20
 Conduct simulations of this network at 10%, 40%, 80%, 95% and 120% =
 nominal utilization. Utilization is the proportion of the time that the =
 ethernet is carrying successful packets. The nominal utilization is the =
 utilization which would be achieved if all packets were successfully =
 carried. For example, 40% nominal utilisation will be achieved when =
 packets arrive at the rate 0.4 * 10,000,000 / (250*8) =3D 2000 packets =
 per second. Some of these factors mean that the actual proportion of =
 time during which the network is busy could be greater or less than 40%. =

 In each of these simulations, you should measureor investigate:=20


   a.. the effective utilization rate (only count bits successfully =
 sent),=20
   b.. the rate at which packets are rejected by the ethernet access =
 layer (also known as the packet loss rate),=20
   c.. packet throughput (ie. 1 - the loss rate),=20
   d.. collision rate (collisions per packet),=20
   e.. average number of packets involved in a collision,=20
   f.. the average number of collisions experienced by a packet given =
 that it experiences one collision, and=20
   g.. the average delay experienced by a packet.=20
 In addition, repeat the simulations at 40% and 80% for a network with =
 100 times the propagation delay, as might be experienced if the network =
 was extended over too wide a physical distance.=20

 Note that the package length in the program is in bytes, and some =
 figures may not be explicitly designed in the program, it requires you =
 to investigate from the program execution statistics.=20

 Submission Requirements=20

 The submission should be in the form of essay. In the essay, you should=20

 1. determine the number of bits which can be transmitted in the time D, =
 given that the transmission rate of the network is 10 Mbit/s, the =
 average packet length is 250 bytes, and the nominal utilization level of =
 the network is 80%.=20

 2. tabulate or plot these resultsfor the network of LAN at different =
 nominal utilization. Also, you should comment on the significance of the =
 results for the successful management of an ethernet LAN.=20

 3. tabulate or plot the results for the network (ie, 100 times the =
 propagation delays) but only at 40% and 80% of the nominal utilization. =
 You shall comment on the implication of these experiments


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Wake on LAN NICs and 3548 switch

2001-03-30 Thread Jeff Walzer

Is there anything on a 3548XL switch that might prevent Wake on LAN NICs
from working?

Thanks,
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Re: Cisco Systems prices

2001-03-30 Thread Tom


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Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 2:26 AM
Subject: Cisco Systems prices


 Does anybody in the group have the price information of the following
 items?

 1.  Cisco 2621 router$3095 list  (Try EBAY for 2/3 cost)

 2.  Catalyst 2900 switch   $ 2995  (2924 XL-EN) list (Try EBAY for 2/3
cost)

 3.  24 port 3Com hubtry CDW.com/Insight.com/or other wholesaler

 4.  16 port 3com hubtry CDW.com/Insight.com/or other wholesaler

 5.  Cisco 2501 router btwn $700-$900 on ebay dep on RAM


 I will appreciate any quick response from any member.

 Cheers,


 Preye.

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Re: ASN18506 up and running

2001-03-30 Thread John Neiberger

[I'm resending this from my work address because the first attempt
didn't appear to succeed.]

Forgive me if I missed something but this appears to be the famous
iBGP
synchronization problem, which I believe can be fixed by turning off
synchronization and set 'next-hop-self' on advertisements between your
two internal routers.

When one router takes external routes and passes them to an internal
neighbor, it doesn't alter the next hop attribute.  When the other
internal neighbor receives the route, the next hop is not the other
internal peer,
 but the external peer it was received from.  If the second iBGP peer
in this
example does not have a valid IGP route to that next hop, the route
can't
be installed into the routing table.
  
I only quickly looked through your post so I may be way off base here.
Take
 it with a grain of salt.  g
  
HTH,
John
  
Ok, more info (plus I have BGP to UUNET up and have the same
problem
the
reverse direction).  206.51.253.1 is part of UUNET AS701. 
64.6.1.1 is
  part
of Sprint AS1239:

ISC-Mod-3640#sh ip bgp 206.51.253.1
BGP routing table entry for 206.51.253.0/24, version 0
Paths: (1 available, no best path)
  Not advertised to any peer
  701
157.130.196.245 (metric 1) from 63.107.123.249
(63.107.123.253)
  Origin IGP, localpref 100, valid, internal, not
synchronized
ISC-Mod-3640#

ISC-Tur-2600-2#sh ip bgp 64.6.1.1
BGP routing table entry for 64.6.0.0/20, version 0
Paths: (1 available, no best path)
  Not advertised to any peer
  1239
144.232.206.65 (metric 1) from 63.107.123.250 (63.172.195.1)
  Origin IGP, metric 60, localpref 100, valid, internal, not
synchronized


There-in lies my problem.  How do I get each router to
synchronize so
it
will allow it into the routing table?

Two cool public BGP looking glass routers:
route-views.oregon-ix.net
route-server.cerf.net

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 It's been delayed time and again, but I've finally found the
time to
  push
 through the docs and configuration notes needed to get our ASN
up
and
 running with our upstream providers.

 So, this morning we began announcing ASN 18506 and our
netblocks out
 Sprintlink with no problems.  I had them turn on full routes
and
we're
  up
 to: '11176 network entries and 11169 paths' and still
climbing.

 Ok, so hears the setup:

 UUNET - [T1/FR] - s0/0.1 2621 s0/1 - [T1] - s0/1 3640 s1/2 -
[T1] -
  Sprint

 I'm still trying to get our Accounts Payable folks to get us
our
UUNET
 account number so I haven't got any BGP communications up with
UUNET
  yet.
 As the 2621 is maxed at 64mb RAM, I'm going to tell UUNET to
only
send
  me
 customer routes.  Also, presently I'm filtering non-iBGP info
from
the
3640
 to the 2621 and only allowing Sprint's own ASN through
(eventually
I'll
have
 it pass Sprint and their customers).  The 2621 shows all the
1238
netblocks
 that should be getting through in the bgp table, but if I do a
'sh
ip
route'
 they don't appear, and in fact no BGP routes show.

 Here's the pertinent current config sections:
 3640:
 interface Serial0/1
  description External T1 to Turlock 2621 s0/1
  ip address 63.107.123.250 255.255.255.252
  ip rip send version 2
  ip rip receive version 2
 !
 interface Serial1/2
  description T1 to Sprint
  ip address 144.232.206.66 255.255.255.252
 !
 router rip
  version 2
  redistribute static
  passive-interface Ethernet0/0
  passive-interface Serial0/0
  passive-interface Ethernet0/1
  passive-interface Serial1/0
  passive-interface Serial1/1
  passive-interface Serial1/2
  passive-interface Serial1/3
  network 63.0.0.0
  network 144.232.0.0
  network 206.216.246.0
  network 207.92.43.0
  network 207.92.140.0
  network 207.223.144.0
  neighbor 63.107.123.149
  no auto-summary
 !
 router bgp 18506
  bgp router-id 63.172.195.1
  bgp cluster-id 3478924129
  bgp log-neighbor-changes
  network 63.172.195.0 mask 255.255.255.0
  network 63.172.204.0 mask 255.255.254.0
  network 144.232.206.64 mask 255.255.255.252
  network 206.216.246.0
  network 207.92.43.0
  network 207.92.140.0
  network 207.223.144.0
  neighbor 63.107.123.249 remote-as 18506
  neighbor 63.107.123.249 description Turlock 2621 to UUNET
  neighbor 63.107.123.249 password [removed]
  neighbor 63.107.123.249 update-source Serial0/1
  neighbor 63.107.123.249 version 4
  

RE: OT: Can't ping anything on LAN when connected on dial-up adapter

2001-03-30 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

Thanks to all the replies on this.

I can't really tell you what was wrong, because even though I disconnected
the dial-up connection, and even restarted the computer, I was suddently not
able to see IP addresses (except for the PC itself) on the LAN at all.

I finally had them power cycle the router that had the build-in 8-port hub,
and the printer, and fiddleley-fum, the IP addresses could be ping'd again.

The thing is that the IDSL circuit on the WAN side of the router was
terminated by Northpoint late last night or early this morning without any
notice, and that must have triggered the router to go into Orbit mode, and
convert the hub into a piano interface... WHAT DO I KNOW!!!

Have a great weekend,

Ole


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Re: ATM

2001-03-30 Thread Boomie Okeowo

answers are below I hope this helps

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 passing
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RE: Can't ping anything on LAN when connected on dial-up adapter

2001-03-30 Thread Hennen, David

try looking up this Q article at www.microsoft.com/technet

I think it may be related

RAS Clients Using TCP/IP Can Access All Subnets But Their Own [Q142052]

Dave H

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Subject: OT: Can't ping anything on LAN when connected on dial-up
adapter


This might be a little off topic since it is not regarding Cisco, but then
again maybe not, since it's about routing and connectivity after all.

I have a small LAN where five workstations and one printer. Everybody can
ping eachother and the printer. However, if one of the users establish a
dial-up connection to the ISP, she can't ping anything on the LAN anymore.

The workstations are running Windows 95/98.

I haven't been able to find anything (yet) in Microsofts Knowledgebase (I'm
still looking), but I thought that some of you might have had this problem
yourselves.

Any comments on this will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Ole


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Re: The Finale: OSPF and IP Classless (partial retraction)

2001-03-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

I'm blonde.  I don't get it.


Does that mean that the reason that (male) blonde routing engineers 
get better as they age, not from experience but from male pattern 
baldness?

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BCMSN...set-based or IOS switches

2001-03-30 Thread Jake Secrist

I've searched the archives, but can't find an answer.

Which switches are set-based and which are IOSand does the title
'Catalyst' have anything to do with it?  Seems like all Cisco switches are
Catalyst switches per their Product Guide.  As far as I can tell, all
switches 2948 and lower are IOS and 3500 and up are set-basedis this
correct?

Thanks,

Jake

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OT: Fridays funnies

2001-03-30 Thread Natasha

Bill, Hillary, and Al were in an airplane that crashed. They're up in
heaven, and God's sitting on the great white throne. 
 
God addresses Al first. "Al, what do you believe in?"

Al replies, "Well, I believe that the combustion engine is evil and
that we need to save the world from CFCs and that if any more freon is
used, the whole earth will become a greenhouse and we'll all die."

God thinks for a second and says "Okay, I can live with that. Come and
sit at my left."
  
God then addresses Bill. "Bill, what do you believe in?"
 
Bill replies, "Well, I believe in power to the people. I think people
should be able to make their own choices about things and that no one
should ever be able to tell someone else what to do. I also believe in
feeling people's pain."
 
God thinks for a second and says "Okay, that sounds good. Come and sit
at my right."
 
God then address Hillary. "Hillary, what do you believe in?"
 
"I believe you're in my chair."


  Two friends were playing golf when one pulled out a cigar. He didn't
have a lighter, so 
  he asked his friend if he had one. "I sure do," he replied while he
reached into his golf 
  bag and pulled out a 12 inch Bic lighter. 
  "Wow!" said his friend, "Where did you get that monster lighter?" 
  "I got it from my genie." 
  "You have a genie?" 
  "Yes, right here in my golf bag." 
  "Could I see him?" 

  He opens his golf bag and out pops a genie. The 
  friend asks the genie, 
  "Since, I'm a good friend of your master, will you 
  grant me one wish?" 
  "Yes I will'" the genie replies. 
  The friend asks the genie for a million bucks. 
  The genie hops back into the golf bag and leaves him 
  standing there, waiting for his million bucks. 
  Suddenly, the sky begins to darken and the sound of a million ducks
flying overhead is 
  heard. The friend tells his golfing partner, "I asked for a million
bucks, not a million 
  ducks!" 
  He answers,"I forgot to tell you that the genie is hard of hearing. Do
you really think I 
  asked him for a 12 inch Bic?" 

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Re: NTP Question?

2001-03-30 Thread Mel Chandler

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RE: Netware 4 server

2001-03-30 Thread Mel Chandler

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Re: Can't ping anything on LAN when connected on dial-up adapter

2001-03-30 Thread Gareth Hinton

Why would a default gateway override, or have any effect on a directly
connected network though?

Gareth

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 Ole,

 When the user establishes a DU session the route table (in NT dos cmd
 'route print') is modified and by default replaces the default gateway.
You
 can modify the behavior by unchecking the 'Use default gateway on remote
 network' check box in DU properties on the Server tab under the TCP/IP
 Settings...  You could also write a batch to add or remove routes after
the
 DU seesion is running.  Investigate the 'route print / route add / route
 delete' commands before and after a DU session is started to help you
 visualize how the route table of the client is modified by the DU session.
 Hope this helps.


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  This might be a little off topic since it is not regarding Cisco, but
then
  again maybe not, since it's about routing and connectivity after all.
 
  I have a small LAN where five workstations and one printer. Everybody
can
  ping eachother and the printer. However, if one of the users establish a
  dial-up connection to the ISP, she can't ping anything on the LAN
anymore.
 
  The workstations are running Windows 95/98.
 
  I haven't been able to find anything (yet) in Microsofts Knowledgebase
 (I'm
  still looking), but I thought that some of you might have had this
problem
  yourselves.
 
  Any comments on this will be appreciated.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Ole
 
  
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2511

2001-03-30 Thread RamG


Hello Gang,

Would appreciate your comment to the following.

Router 2511 with 16R/8F - USD.950
1 Octal Cable,  1 power adapter, 1 Mounting Kit, 1 Serial to V.35 DCE, 1
Transceiver, 6 Modem adapters, 1 Console Cable, 1 Serial to Console Adapter,
1 Cisco IP Feature Pack 12.0 Kit  Free Shipping.

Is it a good deal?

Thanks


RamG 


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Inter VLAN routing

2001-03-30 Thread Irwan Hadi

I have a question,
There is a campus network, with several buildings, and in each building
there is a main switch (say Catalyst 2924-XL-EN) with vlan on each port.
Basically there are two ports (out of 24) reserved with fast ether channel to
the main switch, (for example Catalyst 3524-XL-EN).
If there are 5 buildings connected to the main switch (with 22 X 5 = 110
vlans), how to set up the inter vlan routing among all switches, so say a
computer from Mr. A, from building A, can be moved to building B with the same
IP address.

Can this be done with one main router, for example Cisco 2620, or should it be
using higher version of Cisco Router, like Cisco 3620, or each building should has its 
own router ?

Also to make the condition above possible (any computer on that campus can be
moved on any building on that campus), should each computer has its own VLAN
? If so, that means, if that campus has 10,000 computers, there should be
around 5 switch (say each switch can support 2000 different vlans) ?

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Secure telnet to your router using SSH

2001-03-30 Thread Groupstudy.com

I have been using SSH to secure my telnet connection toPIX.  Does anyone
know how to do the samething to IOS router?

Thanks

Ruihai


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