RE: Can you rename flash? [7:70722]

2003-06-17 Thread Roland Rossano
I experienced similiar trouble just last week. Mine was when I added flash
one flash became 8-mg write/ read and the other 8-mg read only.
 Stopping the file transfer due to lack of space. If your flash is read only
you need to convert that which is as far as I'm capable of getting ..


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Re: STP problem [7:70797]

2003-06-17 Thread The Road Goes Ever On
"" Riley""  wrote in message
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> What an interesting scenario!  If I understood your message correctly, the
> network picture is something like this:
>
>
>   Wired Network -Cat-Wireless Network
>  |User|
>
> Your problem is that the user is bridging the wired and wireless (and so
is
> the Cat), which means there are two functioning links (bridges) between
the
> wireless and wired.
>
> Your real problem is even if you track this user down and beat them
severaly
> with an AP antenna until his MCSE falls on the floor,this problem is going
> to repeat itself with the next user who has a similar wired/wireless card.
>
> So...it's a long day and I can't think of the specific commands or
> syntax or what I had for lunch, but configure the cat port that the
wireless
> AP is connected to to make it the root bridge such that it will always
beat
> the  out of any wanna be bridges, thus ensuring that the rogues block.
>
> Sorry, can't be more specific than this, but my brain is frazzled so right
> now, I think STP is something you put in your car...but maybe it will help
> with your problem...
>
> HTH anyway,
>
> Charles

nice to see you here again, Charles. Where you been keeping yourself?  :->

I like your layout. Like the other guy said, though, I'm not sure a Windoze
machine would bridge between these tow interfaces. Of course, I ould be
wrong. It could also be that the integrated ethernet / wirelss card is
broken for wahtever reason. Nothing would surprise me  I put in a Linksys
wireless network here at home, and put my wife and the kids on the wireless.
My wife's laptop has a PCMCIA nic and a built in ethernet port. wonder if I
could get her off the internet long enough to let me try a test or two.
she's really loving being able to sit on the back deck and cruise. :->

don't be such a stranger, guy.

>
>
> ""Christopher Dumais""  wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Hi all,
> > We are having an STP problem where we think a user with an integrated
> > wireless and LAN NIC is creating a bridge loop and bringing down the
> entire
> > network. The problem occurs then goes away after 20 or so minutes unless
> we
> > can narrow down which closet it is coming from and reboot the switch.
All
> of
> > our management tools die during the outage. Does anyone have any ideas
on
> > how we might prevent this from happening or track down the offender? We
> have
> > 6509's in our Core and a mix of 3548's and 3550-SMI. Any thoughts are
> > appreciated. Thanks!
> >
> > Chris Dumais, CCNP, CNA
> > Sr. Network Administrator
> > NSS Customer and Desktop Services Team
> > Maine Medical Center
> > (207)871-6940
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: STP problem [7:70797]

2003-06-17 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
My hub is calling me to dinner so I have to make this quick.

The access point that I'm most familiar with is the Apple airport. It's
essentially a router. It connects 2 subnets and does DHCP and NAT.

It can also be put into bridging mode, in which it is transparent and
connects devices in the same subnet.

I doubt it does STP.

I hadn't noticed that the originial poster said wireless NIC. That seems
sort of unlikely to cause major problems I agree.

I sketeched out some simple loops though. They certainly could happen. Wish
we had whiteboard capability on GroupStudy.

Gotta run. The hub made dinner! :-)

Priscilla


The Road Goes Ever On wrote:
> 
> ""Zsombor Papp""  wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > At 08:34 PM 6/17/2003 +, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
> > >Access points can be configured to do bridging and I
> wouldn't be
> surprised
> > >to discover that they don't do STP, especially low-end ones
> from the
> local
> > >KMart. A lot of low-end switches don't do STP either.
> >
> > Yet they filter out BPDUs? If they don't, then assuming proper
> > configuration on the "high end" switches, can there be really
> loop?
> >
> > >  So, the access point
> > >would have to be inserted into the network just right so
> that it caused a
> > >loop, but that's certainly possible. In that case all the
> looping
> broadcast
> > >traffic, not to mention looping unknown unicast traffic,
> could bring a
> > >network to its knees.
> > >
> > >I'm surprised so many people doubted his decription of the
> problem!?
> >
> > A 6509 can switch multiple gigabits of traffic without any
> problems. You
> > would need quite a few wireless loops to kill such a box. I
> might be
> > missing something but I still doubt that "a user with an
> integrated
> > wireless and LAN NIC" can kill bring down a network of 6509
> and 3550
> > switches.
> 
> 
> Not knowing firsthand, I've checked the Cisco documentation.
> For the 1200
> series of AP's, at least, I can find no reference to spanning
> tree. Not
> saying it isn't there. Just saying I see no reference.
> 
> every AP with which I am familiar has but a single ethernet
> port. It is
> essentially a hub, although some of the vendors have some pretty
> sophisticated capability build in as part of their firmware and
> OS. I've
> been working with Proxim on a deal, with 802.1x port based
> authentication.
> The particular Proxim device creates virtual ports for end
> stations, and
> communicates with radius to ensure that the user can
> authenticate against
> the 802.1x database, even as the user moves from AP to AP.
> 
> It is not inconceivable that putting in a series of wireless
> AP's could
> create a loop somewhere. Particularly if there are rogue
> devices out there
> and someone is wandering among them. Just thinkking out loud,
> but the switch
> would see a user MAC comming into different ports as the user
> moved around.
> 
> Thinking out loud again, with an authorized and reasonably
> thought out
> wireless installation, all your AP's would be in the same
> subnet/vlan and
> users wandering from AP to AP would cause no problems becasue
> to the back
> room switch the user mac would be on the same vlan as it moves.
> as far as
> the switch is concerned, nothing untoward has happened.
> 
> Unless something is terribly wrong - i.e. major bug in the AP
> software -
> users cannot be connected to more than one access-point
> simultaneously ( if
> they could, that might cause loop problems ) generally, the
> wireless nic
> firmware negotiates connection to the AP with the strongest
> signal in a
> mobile situation.
> 
> Once in a while I see a comment that leads to believe that
> there may be some
> misunderstanding about the term "bridge" when used in
> conjunction with
> wireless.
> 
> A wireless bridge is a device for point to point wireless
> communication with
> another wireless bridge. It is more like a serial link than
> what most folks
> think of when they hear the term "bridge".   one of those
> newfangled terms
> that is in the purist sense misused, but neverless is used
> differently than
> in the world of switches.
> 
> So, one way for wireless, with it's single ethernet port, to
> create a loop
> would be for it to bridge to anther AP, which in turn is
> plugged into the
> same switch. Loops would form and the ensuing broadcast storm
> could wreak
> havoc.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Zsombor
> 
> 




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Re: STP problem [7:70797]

2003-06-17 Thread The Road Goes Ever On
""Zsombor Papp""  wrote in message
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> At 08:34 PM 6/17/2003 +, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
> >Access points can be configured to do bridging and I wouldn't be
surprised
> >to discover that they don't do STP, especially low-end ones from the
local
> >KMart. A lot of low-end switches don't do STP either.
>
> Yet they filter out BPDUs? If they don't, then assuming proper
> configuration on the "high end" switches, can there be really loop?
>
> >  So, the access point
> >would have to be inserted into the network just right so that it caused a
> >loop, but that's certainly possible. In that case all the looping
broadcast
> >traffic, not to mention looping unknown unicast traffic, could bring a
> >network to its knees.
> >
> >I'm surprised so many people doubted his decription of the problem!?
>
> A 6509 can switch multiple gigabits of traffic without any problems. You
> would need quite a few wireless loops to kill such a box. I might be
> missing something but I still doubt that "a user with an integrated
> wireless and LAN NIC" can kill bring down a network of 6509 and 3550
> switches.


Not knowing firsthand, I've checked the Cisco documentation. For the 1200
series of AP's, at least, I can find no reference to spanning tree. Not
saying it isn't there. Just saying I see no reference.

every AP with which I am familiar has but a single ethernet port. It is
essentially a hub, although some of the vendors have some pretty
sophisticated capability build in as part of their firmware and OS. I've
been working with Proxim on a deal, with 802.1x port based authentication.
The particular Proxim device creates virtual ports for end stations, and
communicates with radius to ensure that the user can authenticate against
the 802.1x database, even as the user moves from AP to AP.

It is not inconceivable that putting in a series of wireless AP's could
create a loop somewhere. Particularly if there are rogue devices out there
and someone is wandering among them. Just thinkking out loud, but the switch
would see a user MAC comming into different ports as the user moved around.

Thinking out loud again, with an authorized and reasonably thought out
wireless installation, all your AP's would be in the same subnet/vlan and
users wandering from AP to AP would cause no problems becasue to the back
room switch the user mac would be on the same vlan as it moves. as far as
the switch is concerned, nothing untoward has happened.

Unless something is terribly wrong - i.e. major bug in the AP software -
users cannot be connected to more than one access-point simultaneously ( if
they could, that might cause loop problems ) generally, the wireless nic
firmware negotiates connection to the AP with the strongest signal in a
mobile situation.

Once in a while I see a comment that leads to believe that there may be some
misunderstanding about the term "bridge" when used in conjunction with
wireless.

A wireless bridge is a device for point to point wireless communication with
another wireless bridge. It is more like a serial link than what most folks
think of when they hear the term "bridge".   one of those newfangled terms
that is in the purist sense misused, but neverless is used differently than
in the world of switches.

So, one way for wireless, with it's single ethernet port, to create a loop
would be for it to bridge to anther AP, which in turn is plugged into the
same switch. Loops would form and the ensuing broadcast storm could wreak
havoc.






>
> Thanks,
>
> Zsombor




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RE: Technology, Certification, Skill Sets, and Looking [7:70816]

2003-06-17 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
The Road Goes Ever On wrote:
> 
> ""Priscilla Oppenheimer""  wrote in
> message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Someone also just sent me a URL to this newspaper article
> that points out
> > the importance of learning business practices, not just
> particular
> > technologies. It's a good read:
> >
> > http://www.startribune.com/stories/789/3936460.html
> >
> 
> An interesting artivcle, and one with some nuggets of good
> advice,
> particularly for those new to the business cycle. For those who
> have been
> seeing articles like this over the past twenty years or so,
> this article
> reinforces good advice, much along the lines that NRF has
> offered in other
> threads that appear regularly on Groupstudy. Good advice is
> timeless, and
> the advice in this article, which reiterates similar outlooks
> as have
> appeared in the business press over the past couple of decades
> remains true.
> 
> Way back when I was learning things and formulating my own
> technology
> philosophy, I was blown away by three things I read - Peter
> Keens book
> Competing in Time, Paul Strassman's book The Business Value of
> Computers,
> and an obscure article written by an economist working for the
> Chicago
> Federal Reserve Bank. Each of these sources in its own way says
> similar
> things from a higher level. The Fed study was a short and
> simple one, but of
> all the business sources I have read, still seems the most
> relevant. The
> gist of the study was that investment in infrastructure yielded
> high returns
> in productivity. The author was reporting on government
> investment in
> physical infrastructure such as roads, water treatement, and
> the like, but a
> clever studentworking towards his master degree while going to
> night school
> ran with that theme and wrote a master's thesis which earned him
> departmental honors.

Was that you? :-) Sounds interesting. 

Thanks for commenting on the article. I thought it made some good points.

Priscilla


> 
> Anyone in the technology field, whether it be IT Management,
> Consulting, or
> even something as seemingly mundane as sales, should ALWAYS be
> aware of the
> business value of technology. Over the past 15 years or so it
> has been
> technology which has driven productivity.
> 
> The dark side is that technology changes, and has a way of
> becoming more
> appliance like, meaning that what as skilled labor yesterday is
> out of the
> box tomorrow. Thin about it. All you folks who are AVVID
> experts and
> therefore in high demand. How long before AVVID is nothing more
> than another
> PBX, and routers self configure for QoS? Think the telco
> employee who drives
> the truck and installs your DSL is making 100K? not likely.
> 
> So yes - keep your skills up to date, so you don't end up like
> the guy in
> the article. My own opinion is that one must always consider
> the value to
> business for any skill set one pursues.
> 
> JMHO
> 
> NRF - your comments are always welcome on topics such as these.
> 
> 




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RE: mode enable on aaa authentication [7:70800]

2003-06-17 Thread Jim Wang
If you have Cisco ACS server 2.x and 3.x, under any Group Properties/TACACS
Settings, select Shell(exec) and put level 15 for "privilege levels".

 First Case: "Shell/exec" dictates initial login level of access.  The
access level can be as high as 15, which means you login to the "enable
privileged" prompt directly. "enable options" on ACS have no effect
 
 Second Case: Not using "Shell/Exec option", but using "enable  
options" in conjunction with device "enable" aaa authentication command: --
aaa authentication enable default tacacs+ enable
Initially, you login to level 1 (basic user level).  When you enter 
"enable" command, your password (checked against ACS servers) will 
determine your next level of access.  This password is usually is your
initial login password


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Split horizon affecting OSPF [7:70834]

2003-06-17 Thread Jim Wang
Does split horizon affect distance-vector routing protocols (RIP, IRGP,
EIGRP) only?  Or OSPF/IS-IS are also affected?


Thanks.

-Jim  


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Re: STP problem [7:70797]

2003-06-17 Thread Thomas Crowe
I seem to recall a similar problem when MS released one of the first 
beta versions of XP.  I don't recall the exact details right off but I 
know it involved a laptop (generally) with a wireless NIC and Windows 
XP, resulting in the catastropic meltdown of Cisco switched networks.  I 
will see if I can locate some more details, but it may be something to 
look into.

HTH


> Christopher Dumais wrote:
> 
>>Hi all,
>>We are having an STP problem where we think a user with an integrated
>>wireless and LAN NIC is creating a bridge loop and bringing down the entire
>>network. The problem occurs then goes away after 20 or so minutes unless we
>>can narrow down which closet it is coming from and reboot the switch. All
> 
> of
> 
>>our management tools die during the outage. Does anyone have any ideas on
>>how we might prevent this from happening or track down the offender? We
> 
> have
> 
>>6509's in our Core and a mix of 3548's and 3550-SMI. Any thoughts are
>>appreciated. Thanks!
>>
>>Chris Dumais, CCNP, CNA
>>Sr. Network Administrator
>>NSS Customer and Desktop Services Team
>>Maine Medical Center
>>(207)871-6940
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 


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Re: serial interface discards [7:70752]

2003-06-17 Thread Nate
Thanks for all the advice.  I'm going to definitely use most of what was
posted.  I appreciate the help.

-Nate
- Original Message -
From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: serial interface discards [7:70752]


> Nate wrote:
> >
> > It is entirely possible that the monitoring software (Lucent
> > Vital Net) is
> > showing something other than discards.
>
> Your monitoring software probably uses the word "discard" for "drop" and
is
> just doing what you have already done, which is "show int." As we have all
> said, output drops on a serial interface are almost always caused by
simply
> too much traffic. You said that bandwidth usage wasn't the issue, but I
> agree with the other poster that you may not be getting an accurate
picture
> because of the 5-minute exponential nature of the load stat. See Brad's
> excellent advice about changing this.
>
> You said something about 2 redundant links. Which link is actually getting
> used? Is load balancing supposed to be occuring? Maybe only one link is
> getting used and it's overwhelmed. Trace-route might help you with that.
> Also examining the routing table should help.
>
> Your monitoring software may mean something else by "discard." I'm still
> worried about the tunnel. If I understand it correctly, you've added
headers
> to the traffic to support IPSec. That can cause packets to be too big to
> support the MTU of the interface. These packets must get "discarded."
>
> Unfortunatlely, the only way I know to determine if packets are getting
> discarded due to an MTU issue is with "debug ip packet detail" which is
> risky on a production network. Well, the other way, is a WAN sniffer or
> Ethernet sniffers on both ends of the WAN link to see what's getting
across
> and what isn't and to monitor for any ICMP errors.
>
> Folks, how else could he determine if there's an MTU issue?
>
> Finally, one last comment to echo Brad's comment. If users aren't
> complaining, don't worry about the drops! Seriously. As HCB would say,
"what
> problem are you trying to solve?" Good luck with it, regardless. :-)
>
> Priscilla
>
>
> >  Unfortunately, that
> > software doesn't
> > tell us what kind of discards.  The interface information
> > doesn't reflect
> > what the monitoring sotware is showing so there is no way to
> > confirm.
> >
> > -Nate
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 10:59 PM
> > Subject: RE: serial interface discards [7:70752]
> >
> >
> > > You started the thread by saying that your monitoring
> > software is saying
> > > that there are discards. What monitoring software is it? Are
> > you sure it's
> > > referring to the drops that "show int" is displaying? Maybe
> > it means
> > > something else by "discard."
> > >
> > > Priscilla
> > >
> > > Nathan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Basically, we have two paths:  One going to the internet,
> > and
> > > > one going
> > > > to the Corporate WAN.  We also have redundancy so that if
> > > > either pipe
> > > > goes down, the other can be used for whatever service is
> > > > missing.  In
> > > > order to do redundancy for the pipe going to Corporate WAN,
> > we
> > > > needed a
> > > > netscreen and a Tunnel Interface (netscreen for GRE and
> > Tunnel
> > > > for
> > > > IPSEC).  We are also using EBGP for the Corporate WAN
> > > > redistributing
> > > > into EIGRP internally.  The access list is used so that
> > EIGRP
> > > > won't
> > > > accept default routes from the Internet pipe going to the
> > > > remote site.
> > > > I'm not sure if there are any MTU issues with it but as far
> > as
> > > > high
> > > > utilization, the traffic is only showing a max / day of
> > 20-30%
> > > > so I
> > > > don't think bandwidth is the issue.
> > > >
> > > > I would agree that discards are unavoidable in a FA or GE
> > > > environment,
> > > > but prior to adding the internet circuit as the default
> > route
> > > > for the
> > > > site, there were no discards.
> > > >
> > > > I have been to that site but the scenario is different from
> > > > mine.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:29 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: serial interface discards [7:70752]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nate wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > well, it's a ESF Full T1.
> > > >
> > > > What feeds into the T1? If it's a busy Ethernet, especially
> > > > Fast or
> > > > Gigabit Ethernet, drops are unavoidable. Even though your
> > stats
> > > > show
> > > > that the T1 utilization is only 23/255 (less than 10%), the
> > > > stats show a
> > > > moving average for the last 5 minutes, but the drops are
> > since
> > > > the last
> > > > time you cleared the counters, 6 hours ago. So at some
> > point,
> > > > you
> > > > probably had too much data to send over the 1.5Mbps T1.
> > > >
> > > > You need to watch it carefu

Re: STP problem [7:70797]

2003-06-17 Thread Thomas Crowe
Sorry, I should have done the search first.  Came up first link in google...

padding
padding
padding

http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/archive/bugtraq/2001/07/msg00605.html


> Christopher Dumais wrote:
> 
>>Hi all,
>>We are having an STP problem where we think a user with an integrated
>>wireless and LAN NIC is creating a bridge loop and bringing down the entire
>>network. The problem occurs then goes away after 20 or so minutes unless we
>>can narrow down which closet it is coming from and reboot the switch. All
> 
> of
> 
>>our management tools die during the outage. Does anyone have any ideas on
>>how we might prevent this from happening or track down the offender? We
> 
> have
> 
>>6509's in our Core and a mix of 3548's and 3550-SMI. Any thoughts are
>>appreciated. Thanks!
>>
>>Chris Dumais, CCNP, CNA
>>Sr. Network Administrator
>>NSS Customer and Desktop Services Team
>>Maine Medical Center
>>(207)871-6940
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 


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RE: encap for ethernet interface ? [7:70802]

2003-06-17 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
brian dell wrote:
> 
> say if cdp is enabled for an interface, then since cdp uses sap
> encapsulation (as Priscilla mentioned), then i don't think one
> configures encapsulation for that interface as sap ?
>  
> the question is that why is this statement ("encap sap")in the
> configuration not needed if an interface has cdp enabled ?
> (i guess "encap arpa" is by default understood for an ethernet
> interface ? is that correct ? )

No. There's no default for an interface. There's only defaults for
particular protocols. CDP uses snap (not sap). IP uses ARPA. Spanning Tree
uses sap. Novell users novell-ether.

With the exception of Novell, VLAN tagging, and ARP, you can't change the
encapsulation that will be used for Ethernet frames for the various protocols.

Try it on a real router. It's nothing like changing encapsulation on a WAN,
which causes all traffic across the WAN link to use that encapsulation. Here
are some hints:


Albany#config t
Enter configuration commands, one per line.  End with CNTL/Z.
Albany(config)#ipx routing
Albany(config)#int e0
Albany(config-if)#ipx network 400 encapsulation ?
  arpa  Novell Ethernet_II
  hdlc  HDLC on serial links
  novell-ether  Novell Ethernet_802.3
  sap   IEEE 802.2 on Ethernet, FDDI, Token Ring
  snap  IEEE 802.2 SNAP on Ethernet, Token Ring, and FDDI
Albany(config-if)#ipx network 400 encapsulation snap
Albany(config-if)#ipx network 100 encapsulation arpa secondary
Albany(config-if)#ipx network 200 encapsulation sap secondary
Albany(config-if)#ipx network 300 encapsulation novell-ether secondary




Albany#config t
Enter configuration commands, one per line.  End with CNTL/Z.
Albany(config)#int e0
Albany(config-if)#arp ?
  arpa Standard arp protocol
  frame-relay  Enable ARP for a frame relay interface
  probeHP style arp protocol
  snap IEEE 802.3 style arp
  timeout  Set ARP cache timeout
Albany(config-if)#arp snap



If you try just the encapsulation command in interface configuration mode,
you get a choice of VLAN tagging methods. I can't show you that because my
routers don't support it. VLAN tagging is a topic for another disertation,
not really related to the question you are asking.

Priscilla

> 
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RE: encap for ethernet interface ? [7:70802]

2003-06-17 Thread brian dell
say if cdp is enabled for an interface, then since cdp uses sap
encapsulation (as Priscilla mentioned), then i don't think one configures
encapsulation for that interface as sap ?
 
the question is that why is this statement ("encap sap")in the configuration
not needed if an interface has cdp enabled ?
(i guess "encap arpa" is by default understood for an ethernet interface ?
is that correct ? )




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Re: STP problem [7:70797]

2003-06-17 Thread Zsombor Papp
At 08:34 PM 6/17/2003 +, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
>Access points can be configured to do bridging and I wouldn't be surprised
>to discover that they don't do STP, especially low-end ones from the local
>KMart. A lot of low-end switches don't do STP either.

Yet they filter out BPDUs? If they don't, then assuming proper 
configuration on the "high end" switches, can there be really loop?

>  So, the access point
>would have to be inserted into the network just right so that it caused a
>loop, but that's certainly possible. In that case all the looping broadcast
>traffic, not to mention looping unknown unicast traffic, could bring a
>network to its knees.
>
>I'm surprised so many people doubted his decription of the problem!?

A 6509 can switch multiple gigabits of traffic without any problems. You 
would need quite a few wireless loops to kill such a box. I might be 
missing something but I still doubt that "a user with an integrated 
wireless and LAN NIC" can kill bring down a network of 6509 and 3550
switches.

Thanks,

Zsombor




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RE: Internet is very slow behind Pix 515E UR [7:70783]

2003-06-17 Thread Mark Smith
"100basetx" is 100MB, half duplex. Try "interface ethernet0 100full" and
"interface ethernet1 100full" instead.
Make sure that whatever is on the other side of the outside interface is
100/full or auto too.


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Subject: Internet is very slow behind Pix 515E UR [7:70783]


Whenever I access the web site which is behind the Pix firewalls, the speed
is really slow.

I bypassed the firewall and accessed the same site and it's fast!

I checked my settings and made sure all the connected devices are running at
100 and full duplex, they all are!

I mean why this is happening ... is it because the pix have to inspect each
packet!

The Bandwidth from the service provider is 64k.

Any Idea Please.


Any ideas?


The Pix version is 6.1 besides this is satellite connection

The internal Address range is 191.1.1.0-191.1.1.254 255.255.0.0
Outside address range is 10.15.9.163-183 255.255.255.224
Default Gateway: 10.15.9.62 255.255.255.224
DNS1: 195.238.62.1
DNS2: 195.238.40.30




AN# show config
: Saved
:
PIX Version 6.1(4)
nameif ethernet0 outside security0
nameif ethernet1 inside security100
nameif ethernet2 intf2 security10
enable password kC9ZDwfWejkBqApp encrypted
passwd 2KFQnbNIdI.2KYOU encrypted
hostname AN
domain-name ciscopix.com
fixup protocol ftp 21
fixup protocol http 80
fixup protocol h323 1720
fixup protocol rsh 514
fixup protocol rtsp 554
fixup protocol smtp 25
fixup protocol sqlnet 1521
fixup protocol sip 5060
fixup protocol skinny 2000
names
access-list acl_in permit icmp any any
access-list acl_in permit udp any any
access-list acl_in permit tcp any any
pager lines 10
logging buffered debugging
interface ethernet0 100basetx
interface ethernet1 100basetx
interface ethernet2 auto shutdown
mtu outside 1500
mtu inside 1500
mtu intf2 1500
ip address outside 10.15.9.163 255.255.255.224
ip address inside 191.1.1.85 255.255.0.0
ip address intf2 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255
ip audit info action alarm
ip audit attack action alarm
pdm history enable
arp timeout 14400
global (outside) 1 10.15.9.164-10.15.9.180
global (outside) 1 10.15.9.181
nat (inside) 1 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0 0
access-group acl_out in interface outside
access-group acl_in in interface inside
route outside 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.15.9.163 1
timeout xlate 3:00:00
timeout conn 1:00:00 half-closed 0:10:00 udp 0:02:00 rpc 0:10:00 h323
0:05:00 si
p 0:30:00 sip_media 0:02:00
timeout uauth 0:05:00 absolute
aaa-server TACACS+ protocol tacacs+
aaa-server RADIUS protocol radius
http server enable
no snmp-server location
no snmp-server contact
snmp-server community public
no snmp-server enable traps
floodguard enable
no sysopt route dnat
telnet 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 inside
telnet timeout 5
ssh timeout 5
terminal width 80
Cryptochecksum:97ca54591b41f6b215dabb457fe7c9de
AN#



Ismail Al-Shelh

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RE: number of CCIE [7:70151]

2003-06-17 Thread Carroll Kong
> Those three have pretty much echoed my themes.  Hansang, in fact, has
> admitted that he accelerated his ccie studies so that he would take (and
> pass) the 2-day exam because he didn't want to run the risk of being known
> as an "asterisk-ccie" (meaning the one-day ccie).

I know someone who took both the two day and one day.  He felt the 
one day was harder.  He might have been an exception, I do not know 
any other two dayers who took a one day.  He was R&S first, then he 
just got a Security one to get the double.  Of all the CCIEs I do 
know, none of them ever wanted to really take it again (except one 
other CCIE I know... he wants to see if he still got the touch!)

While I agree to some degree about how the "old style" might have 
been "harder" to some degree, I feel it is more of a preference.  I 
think depending on the kind of problem solver you are, one will 
appear easier than the other and vice versa.

I only took the one day, and all I have to say is it is a real speed 
torture exam.  One slip up, and it's pretty much over.  You have a 
SLIGHT margin of the error and that is only if you are very fast, 
both in the mind and on the keyboard.  This is not to say if you are 
slower you are necessarily any less qualified, just, some people do 
not type as fast or take longer to formulate a very solid plan 
anyway.  Those people suffer greatly from this new format.

This is also probably why I got some seriously mixed reviews from 
different CCIEs in terms of the difficulty of the exams (be it one 
day or two day).

For the record, the one day exam was more suited to my style than the 
two day sounded like.  Oh well, I will never have a direct comparison 
now.

The same was said about the two day as well in terms of speed but 
with some ancillary tricks such as the physical element, etc.  I 
suppose that is good to know, but hey, nothing 5 minutes couldn't 
figure out on a web page.

The troubleshooting element was definitely a sorely missed element 
from the two day lab, but trust me, with the one day it is a dynamic 
truobleshooting element built in.  It is VERY easy to break your 
working network while you perform the exam.

Unfortunately, because it is more speed driven and because the 
content, while jam packed, is probably 'less', it also means it might 
be more prone to some form of bootcamp brain dumpage.  But this is 
not really conclusive. It might just be that, the CCIE is becoming 
"more popular" and people have recently tapped into this market.  The 
drop in Cisco gear pricing on the used market probably had a LOT to 
do with bringing down this barrier to entry.

Regretably, it is difficult to say whether or not it is the slippery 
slope we are going up if we really believe a one day exam is 
instantly easier than a two day and that is the reason why there are 
more CCIEs per month, or if it is because the failure rate is the 
same, and the expected value of passing CCIEs goes up due to the 
higher volume of candidates per month.

Whether or not it is easy or not, I cannot say.  I encourage any 
CCIEs of the two day to take a one day and see how it is.  I only 
know of one who did it, and he felt it was worse than the two day 
lab.  But, like I said, different types of people, different types of 
problem solvers.  Might be easier for some.

One thing is true though.  By law of numbers, even if the percentage 
rate of failure IS the same, since the NET number of CCIES passing is 
higher, by supply and demand the value of the CCIE is dropping.  
(someone else mentioned this as well).

If the percentage of failure is even lower... then the value just 
drops exponentially.  :)

As for having a lower CCIE number, I do not care, I do not know.  
Most of the really older CCIE numbers I know tend to be mediocre with 
the new technology and are sick of knob turning anyway  (although 
some are still verry good).  The medium numbers seem to be the best.  
;)  The ones on the highest numbers end seem to be a mixed bag.

And while someone said the "higher number ones" have "less 
experience" that should not be true in theory since the CCIE was 
designed for people who already worked in the networking field for 
years.

However, I will agree in practice, that does seem to happen often 
(higher numbers, less experience).

I think as with all things in life, take the individual on a case to 
case basis.  You are going to find good and bad apples in every 
basket.  The CCIE is still a very good certification, I do not think 
anyone is denying that.  But I do not think it is clear if it is 
blatantly easier now.

-Carroll Kong




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Re: serial interface discards [7:70752]

2003-06-17 Thread Brad Dodds
>The interface information doesn't reflect
> what the monitoring software is showing so there is no way to confirm.
> -Nate

I have this problem often and always trust the router's interface statistics
over monitoring software reports.

get iperf (http://dast.nlanr.net/Projects/Iperf/) & generate large blasts of
traffic through the link and see if you can cause the "discards" being
recorded by the monitoring software to increment.
This should help to determine if the discards are really just output drops
related to bursts of traffic, in which case you can not worry about it or
implement some sort of congestion management if it actually causes a
problem.




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Re: serial interface discards [7:70752]

2003-06-17 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Brad Dodds wrote:
> 
> >The interface information doesn't reflect
> > what the monitoring software is showing so there is no way to
> confirm.
> > -Nate

That got me wondering. Maybe discard just means that the monitoring software
isn't keeping up? It has to discard packets and not analyze them because
it's slow or too busy. I've certainly seen that.

It's just a thought. Can't say anything for sure without more info.

Better get back to work! :-)

Priscilla


> 
> I have this problem often and always trust the router's
> interface statistics
> over monitoring software reports.
> 
> get iperf (http://dast.nlanr.net/Projects/Iperf/) & generate
> large blasts of
> traffic through the link and see if you can cause the
> "discards" being
> recorded by the monitoring software to increment.
> This should help to determine if the discards are really just
> output drops
> related to bursts of traffic, in which case you can not worry
> about it or
> implement some sort of congestion management if it actually
> causes a
> problem.
> 
> 




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Re: STP problem [7:70797]

2003-06-17 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Access points can be configured to do bridging and I wouldn't be surprised
to discover that they don't do STP, especially low-end ones from the local
KMart. A lot of low-end switches don't do STP either. So, the access point
would have to be inserted into the network just right so that it caused a
loop, but that's certainly possible. In that case all the looping broadcast
traffic, not to mention looping unknown unicast traffic, could bring a
network to its knees.

I'm surprised so many people doubted his decription of the problem!? 

Anyway, finding it will be hard, though there's good advice from Tom and
others. I think I would revert to an old-fasioned communications channel.
Announce over the loud speaker that if you just connected a wireless access
point, disconnect it now and report to the office! :-)

Priscilla

Tom Martin wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> STP should be enough to avoid these types of problems. In order
> to cause
> a bridging loop the station would have to have both interfaces
> in the
> same VLAN and forward all L2 traffic except for BPDUs. Even if
> this were
> the case the wireless network (10-Mbps?) shouldn't be enough to
> bring
> the LAN to its knees (100-Mbps?). If you have STP enabled on
> all of your
> switches, I'm doubt that a single station is bringing the
> network down.
> 
> Once you find the offending switch that you need to reboot, you
> can
> issue console commands to determine the root bridge and any
> blocked
> ports. Make sure that things are normal. You do have your root
> bridge
> set manually, don't you? :)
> 
> To find out which port is causing the loop, take a look at the
> interface
> counters. You should see an unreal amount of traffic on the
> offending
> port (and the uplink to the core switch).
> 
> When STP has been enabled I have only come across layer-2 loops
> twice.
> Once when a few HP switches had gone bad, and another time when
> a
> customer had configured channeling on one side but not the
> other (3500
> series, no channel negotiation).
> 
> In both cases I found that the problem was made worse with
> increasing
> traffic levels, and the problem also revolved around the same
> set of
> switches. The channeling problem was a bit more difficult to
> narrow down
> though, since it disabled MLS on the core switch and every
> segment
> appeared to have problems!!!
> 
> I hope that helps,
> 
> - Tom
> 
> 
> Christopher Dumais wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > We are having an STP problem where we think a user with an
> integrated
> > wireless and LAN NIC is creating a bridge loop and bringing
> down the entire
> > network. The problem occurs then goes away after 20 or so
> minutes unless we
> > can narrow down which closet it is coming from and reboot the
> switch. All of
> > our management tools die during the outage. Does anyone have
> any ideas on
> > how we might prevent this from happening or track down the
> offender? We have
> > 6509's in our Core and a mix of 3548's and 3550-SMI. Any
> thoughts are
> > appreciated. Thanks!
> > 
> > Chris Dumais, CCNP, CNA
> > Sr. Network Administrator
> > NSS Customer and Desktop Services Team
> > Maine Medical Center
> > (207)871-6940
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 




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Re: encap for ethernet interface ? [7:70802]

2003-06-17 Thread ericbrouwers
Ethernet type  Novell Cisco
-   -----
Ethernet version 2   Ethernet_II   arpa
Novell 802.3 raw   Ethernet_802.3 novell-ether
IEEE 802.3Ethernet_802.2 sap
IEEE 802.3 SNAP Ethernet_snap   snap

Eric

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Subject: encap for ethernet interface ? [7:70802]


> ARPA is the default encapsulation for an ethernet interface ?
>
> what are the other encapsulations ?




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Re: STP problem [7:70797]

2003-06-17 Thread John Neiberger
>When STP has been enabled I have only come across layer-2 loops twice. 
>Once when a few HP switches had gone bad, and another time when a 
>customer had configured channeling on one side but not the other (3500 
>series, no channel negotiation).

The interesting thing about this last configuration is that the side
configured for channeling could predict the future.  Really weird.




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RE: encap for ethernet interface ? [7:70802]

2003-06-17 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
brian dell wrote:
> 
> ARPA is the default encapsulation for an ethernet interface ?

ARPA's real name is Ethernet II. It's used for IP packets.

> 
> what are the other encapsulations ?

Novell-ether is the default Cisco encapsulation for Novell IPX packets, even
though Novell doesn't use it any more. It's also known as Novell Raw because
it has only an 802.3 header, with no 802.2 header.

Other possibilities are:

Cisco uses "sap" to refer to an 802.3 with 802.2 header. This is used for
many modern and IEEE-influence protocols, including Spanning Tree Protocol,
etc.

Cisco uses "snap" to refer to an 802.3 with 802.2 and SNAP header. AppleTalk
uses this. Many other protocols do also, including Cisco Discovery Protocol
(CDP), VLAN Trunking Protocol, Dynamic Inter-Switch Link Protocol.

This is a complex subject. 

Here are a couple links to help you:

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/105/encheat.html

http://www.troubleshootingnetworks.com/ethernet.html

Priscilla







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Re: STP problem [7:70797]

2003-06-17 Thread MADMAN
To be honest about the only way to isolate these meltdowns is to 
start disconnecting devices.  I assume you have a general idea where the 
problem is occuring.  The flatter your network the more difficult I 
might add!!

   Dave

Christopher Dumais wrote:
> Hi all,
> We are having an STP problem where we think a user with an integrated
> wireless and LAN NIC is creating a bridge loop and bringing down the entire
> network. The problem occurs then goes away after 20 or so minutes unless we
> can narrow down which closet it is coming from and reboot the switch. All
of
> our management tools die during the outage. Does anyone have any ideas on
> how we might prevent this from happening or track down the offender? We
have
> 6509's in our Core and a mix of 3548's and 3550-SMI. Any thoughts are
> appreciated. Thanks!
> 
> Chris Dumais, CCNP, CNA
> Sr. Network Administrator
> NSS Customer and Desktop Services Team
> Maine Medical Center
> (207)871-6940
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: 7500 (RSP8) config save problems [7:70767]

2003-06-17 Thread MADMAN
Good point!!!

   Dave

Zsombor Papp wrote:
> ATA flash disks (disk0:, disk1:) work as you expected. Linear flash cards 
> (slot0:, slot1:, bootflash:) work (by design) as Geoff described.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Zsombor
> 
> At 02:21 PM 6/17/2003 +, MADMAN wrote:
> 
>>Mossburg, Geoff (MAN-Corporate) wrote:
>>
>>>Has anyone had problems save configs to a PCMCIA flash card on an RSP8?
>>
> The
> 
>>>problem I'm having is that when I save a newer config over-top of the old
>>>config with the same name, it creates 2 separate instances of the file. I
>>>keep having to re-format or squeeze the card every month or two! Any
>>
> ideas?
> 
>>>Geoff Mossburg
>>>
>>
>>   Must be a new "feature" ;)  Mine works as you expected, running
>>12.2.11T and dual RSP8's:
>>
>>C7507A#copy running-config disk0:
>>Destination filename [running-config]?
>>
>>3628 bytes copied in 0.756 secs (4799 bytes/sec)
>>C7507A#dir disk0:
>>Directory of disk0:/
>>
>> 1  -rw-19102960   Jun 02 2003 08:20:50  rsp-jsv-mz.122-11.T.bin
>> 2  -rw-3628   Jun 17 2003 05:48:06  running-config
>>
>>41721856 bytes total (22614016 bytes free)
>>
>>C7507A#copy running-config disk0:
>>Destination filename [running-config]?
>>%Warning:There is a file already existing with this name
>>Do you want to over write? [confirm]
>>
>>3628 bytes copied in 0.704 secs (5153 bytes/sec)
>>C7507A#dir disk0:
>>Directory of disk0:/
>>
>> 1  -rw-19102960   Jun 02 2003 08:20:50  rsp-jsv-mz.122-11.T.bin
>> 2  -rw-3628   Jun 17 2003 05:49:48  running-config
>>
>>41721856 bytes total (22614016 bytes free)
>>
>>   Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>--
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>>CCIE# 2016
>>Sr. Network Engineer
>>Qwest Communications
>>612-664-3367
>>
>>"Government can do something for the people only in proportion as it
>>can do something to the people." -- Thomas Jefferson
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612-664-3367

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RE: STP problem [7:70797]

2003-06-17 Thread Larry Letterman
Turn on bpdu-guard in spanning tree..that will disable the port
That the bridge is looping..or it should. 


Larry Letterman
Cisco Systems




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Subject: STP problem [7:70797]


Hi all,
We are having an STP problem where we think a user with an integrated
wireless and LAN NIC is creating a bridge loop and bringing down the
entire network. The problem occurs then goes away after 20 or so minutes
unless we can narrow down which closet it is coming from and reboot the
switch. All of our management tools die during the outage. Does anyone
have any ideas on how we might prevent this from happening or track down
the offender? We have 6509's in our Core and a mix of 3548's and
3550-SMI. Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks!

Chris Dumais, CCNP, CNA
Sr. Network Administrator
NSS Customer and Desktop Services Team
Maine Medical Center
(207)871-6940
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: STP problem [7:70797]

2003-06-17 Thread Zsombor Papp
At 06:59 PM 6/17/2003 +, Zsombor Papp wrote:
>At 04:52 PM 6/17/2003 +, Christopher Dumais wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >We are having an STP problem where we think a user with an integrated
> >wireless and LAN NIC is creating a bridge loop
>
>Based on what do you think this? Somehow it seems unlikely to me that a
>loop through a wireless link (I assume it's the ...

[hmm, groupstudy ate half my email]

.. 11Mbps type) brings down a 6509, or even a 3550. Also, I am not sure 
what a "user" means in this context, but I don't think Windows or Linux 
does bridging by default, regardless of how many interfaces there are.

In general, first step of loop-avoidance is usually to disable portfast on 
every port where you are not 100% sure that it can't participate in a loop 
(in your case this seems to be every port).

Thanks,

Zsombor


> > and bringing down the entire
> >network. The problem occurs then goes away after 20 or so minutes unless
we
> >can narrow down which closet it is coming from and reboot the switch. All
of
> >our management tools die during the outage. Does anyone have any ideas on
> >how we might prevent this from happening or track down the offender? We
have
> >6509's in our Core and a mix of 3548's and 3550-SMI. Any thoughts are
> >appreciated. Thanks!
> >
> >Chris Dumais, CCNP, CNA
> >Sr. Network Administrator
> >NSS Customer and Desktop Services Team
> >Maine Medical Center
> >(207)871-6940
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Technology, Certification, Skill Sets, and Looking Forward [7:70816]

2003-06-17 Thread The Road Goes Ever On
""Priscilla Oppenheimer""  wrote in message
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> Someone also just sent me a URL to this newspaper article that points out
> the importance of learning business practices, not just particular
> technologies. It's a good read:
>
> http://www.startribune.com/stories/789/3936460.html
>

An interesting artivcle, and one with some nuggets of good advice,
particularly for those new to the business cycle. For those who have been
seeing articles like this over the past twenty years or so, this article
reinforces good advice, much along the lines that NRF has offered in other
threads that appear regularly on Groupstudy. Good advice is timeless, and
the advice in this article, which reiterates similar outlooks as have
appeared in the business press over the past couple of decades remains true.

Way back when I was learning things and formulating my own technology
philosophy, I was blown away by three things I read - Peter Keens book
Competing in Time, Paul Strassman's book The Business Value of Computers,
and an obscure article written by an economist working for the Chicago
Federal Reserve Bank. Each of these sources in its own way says similar
things from a higher level. The Fed study was a short and simple one, but of
all the business sources I have read, still seems the most relevant. The
gist of the study was that investment in infrastructure yielded high returns
in productivity. The author was reporting on government investment in
physical infrastructure such as roads, water treatement, and the like, but a
clever studentworking towards his master degree while going to night school
ran with that theme and wrote a master's thesis which earned him
departmental honors.

Anyone in the technology field, whether it be IT Management, Consulting, or
even something as seemingly mundane as sales, should ALWAYS be aware of the
business value of technology. Over the past 15 years or so it has been
technology which has driven productivity.

The dark side is that technology changes, and has a way of becoming more
appliance like, meaning that what as skilled labor yesterday is out of the
box tomorrow. Thin about it. All you folks who are AVVID experts and
therefore in high demand. How long before AVVID is nothing more than another
PBX, and routers self configure for QoS? Think the telco employee who drives
the truck and installs your DSL is making 100K? not likely.

So yes - keep your skills up to date, so you don't end up like the guy in
the article. My own opinion is that one must always consider the value to
business for any skill set one pursues.

JMHO

NRF - your comments are always welcome on topics such as these.




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Re: serial interface discards [7:70752]

2003-06-17 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 6:50 PM + 6/17/03, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
>
>
>Folks, how else could he determine if there's an MTU issue?
>
>Finally, one last comment to echo Brad's comment. If users aren't
>complaining, don't worry about the drops! Seriously. As HCB would say, "what
>problem are you trying to solve?" Good luck with it, regardless. :-)
>
>Priscilla
>

Well, NRF was talking about how a serial killer couldn't get a 
job...maybe this example shows what happens if one does get a job on 
a network.




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encap for ethernet interface ? [7:70802]

2003-06-17 Thread brian dell
ARPA is the default encapsulation for an ethernet interface ?

what are the other encapsulations ?


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Re: STP problem [7:70797]

2003-06-17 Thread Riley
What an interesting scenario!  If I understood your message correctly, the
network picture is something like this:


  Wired Network -Cat-Wireless Network
 |User|

Your problem is that the user is bridging the wired and wireless (and so is
the Cat), which means there are two functioning links (bridges) between the
wireless and wired.

Your real problem is even if you track this user down and beat them severaly
with an AP antenna until his MCSE falls on the floor,this problem is going
to repeat itself with the next user who has a similar wired/wireless card.

So...it's a long day and I can't think of the specific commands or
syntax or what I had for lunch, but configure the cat port that the wireless
AP is connected to to make it the root bridge such that it will always beat
the  out of any wanna be bridges, thus ensuring that the rogues block.

Sorry, can't be more specific than this, but my brain is frazzled so right
now, I think STP is something you put in your car...but maybe it will help
with your problem...

HTH anyway,

Charles


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> Hi all,
> We are having an STP problem where we think a user with an integrated
> wireless and LAN NIC is creating a bridge loop and bringing down the
entire
> network. The problem occurs then goes away after 20 or so minutes unless
we
> can narrow down which closet it is coming from and reboot the switch. All
of
> our management tools die during the outage. Does anyone have any ideas on
> how we might prevent this from happening or track down the offender? We
have
> 6509's in our Core and a mix of 3548's and 3550-SMI. Any thoughts are
> appreciated. Thanks!
>
> Chris Dumais, CCNP, CNA
> Sr. Network Administrator
> NSS Customer and Desktop Services Team
> Maine Medical Center
> (207)871-6940
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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question about serial link ? [7:70803]

2003-06-17 Thread brian dell
help with the following:

Serial interfaces typically connect to WAN via serial links ? correct ?
and once we say serial links we imply bit oriented traffic via these links ?
correct ??

if this is correct then what would be non bit oriented traffic or links ? 
i guess it would the links connected to LAN, like typical connection
between, say a Router and a PC (via 10/100 lan connection). (would this be
correct ?)




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Re: STP problem [7:70797]

2003-06-17 Thread Joseph Brunner
PVST+

Except no substitute. Hardcode everything. No PAGP, DISL, or VTP
EVER AGAIN. Next make sure your root bridge is really what you think
it is (knowing what spanning-tree uplink fast does to bridge priority, etc).


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Re: STP problem [7:70797]

2003-06-17 Thread Tom Martin
Chris,

STP should be enough to avoid these types of problems. In order to cause 
a bridging loop the station would have to have both interfaces in the 
same VLAN and forward all L2 traffic except for BPDUs. Even if this were 
the case the wireless network (10-Mbps?) shouldn't be enough to bring 
the LAN to its knees (100-Mbps?). If you have STP enabled on all of your 
switches, I'm doubt that a single station is bringing the network down.

Once you find the offending switch that you need to reboot, you can 
issue console commands to determine the root bridge and any blocked 
ports. Make sure that things are normal. You do have your root bridge 
set manually, don't you? :)

To find out which port is causing the loop, take a look at the interface 
counters. You should see an unreal amount of traffic on the offending 
port (and the uplink to the core switch).

When STP has been enabled I have only come across layer-2 loops twice. 
Once when a few HP switches had gone bad, and another time when a 
customer had configured channeling on one side but not the other (3500 
series, no channel negotiation).

In both cases I found that the problem was made worse with increasing 
traffic levels, and the problem also revolved around the same set of 
switches. The channeling problem was a bit more difficult to narrow down 
though, since it disabled MLS on the core switch and every segment 
appeared to have problems!!!

I hope that helps,

- Tom


Christopher Dumais wrote:
> Hi all,
> We are having an STP problem where we think a user with an integrated
> wireless and LAN NIC is creating a bridge loop and bringing down the entire
> network. The problem occurs then goes away after 20 or so minutes unless we
> can narrow down which closet it is coming from and reboot the switch. All
of
> our management tools die during the outage. Does anyone have any ideas on
> how we might prevent this from happening or track down the offender? We
have
> 6509's in our Core and a mix of 3548's and 3550-SMI. Any thoughts are
> appreciated. Thanks!
> 
> Chris Dumais, CCNP, CNA
> Sr. Network Administrator
> NSS Customer and Desktop Services Team
> Maine Medical Center
> (207)871-6940
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: STP problem [7:70797]

2003-06-17 Thread Zsombor Papp
At 04:52 PM 6/17/2003 +, Christopher Dumais wrote:
>Hi all,
>We are having an STP problem where we think a user with an integrated
>wireless and LAN NIC is creating a bridge loop

Based on what do you think this? Somehow it seems unlikely to me that a 
loop through a wireless link (I assume it's the   and bringing down the
entire
>network. The problem occurs then goes away after 20 or so minutes unless we
>can narrow down which closet it is coming from and reboot the switch. All of
>our management tools die during the outage. Does anyone have any ideas on
>how we might prevent this from happening or track down the offender? We have
>6509's in our Core and a mix of 3548's and 3550-SMI. Any thoughts are
>appreciated. Thanks!
>
>Chris Dumais, CCNP, CNA
>Sr. Network Administrator
>NSS Customer and Desktop Services Team
>Maine Medical Center
>(207)871-6940
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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RE: Port Adapter [7:70772]

2003-06-17 Thread LIU, JEFF
I turned on "debug serial int", the log kept saying: serial 5/0:0:
attempting to restart. Also, there are a lot of CRC errors.

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Isnt the default for that b8zs/esf with a full t, it gets interesting with a
fractional t.  Show controller will give you what it is currently setup,
IIRC.

Brian

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> I have PA-MC-8T1 installed on 7206. What is supposedly correct
configuration
> to support full t1 that is provided my ISP? The thing really gets me is
the
> timeslot and cable-length parameters. Please advise.
>
>
> Thanx in advance!
>
> Jeff
>
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Re: serial interface discards [7:70752]

2003-06-17 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Nate wrote:
> 
> It is entirely possible that the monitoring software (Lucent
> Vital Net) is
> showing something other than discards.

Your monitoring software probably uses the word "discard" for "drop" and is
just doing what you have already done, which is "show int." As we have all
said, output drops on a serial interface are almost always caused by simply
too much traffic. You said that bandwidth usage wasn't the issue, but I
agree with the other poster that you may not be getting an accurate picture
because of the 5-minute exponential nature of the load stat. See Brad's
excellent advice about changing this.

You said something about 2 redundant links. Which link is actually getting
used? Is load balancing supposed to be occuring? Maybe only one link is
getting used and it's overwhelmed. Trace-route might help you with that.
Also examining the routing table should help.

Your monitoring software may mean something else by "discard." I'm still
worried about the tunnel. If I understand it correctly, you've added headers
to the traffic to support IPSec. That can cause packets to be too big to
support the MTU of the interface. These packets must get "discarded."

Unfortunatlely, the only way I know to determine if packets are getting
discarded due to an MTU issue is with "debug ip packet detail" which is
risky on a production network. Well, the other way, is a WAN sniffer or
Ethernet sniffers on both ends of the WAN link to see what's getting across
and what isn't and to monitor for any ICMP errors.

Folks, how else could he determine if there's an MTU issue?

Finally, one last comment to echo Brad's comment. If users aren't
complaining, don't worry about the drops! Seriously. As HCB would say, "what
problem are you trying to solve?" Good luck with it, regardless. :-)

Priscilla


>  Unfortunately, that
> software doesn't
> tell us what kind of discards.  The interface information
> doesn't reflect
> what the monitoring sotware is showing so there is no way to
> confirm.
> 
> -Nate
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 10:59 PM
> Subject: RE: serial interface discards [7:70752]
> 
> 
> > You started the thread by saying that your monitoring
> software is saying
> > that there are discards. What monitoring software is it? Are
> you sure it's
> > referring to the drops that "show int" is displaying? Maybe
> it means
> > something else by "discard."
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> > Nathan wrote:
> > >
> > > Basically, we have two paths:  One going to the internet,
> and
> > > one going
> > > to the Corporate WAN.  We also have redundancy so that if
> > > either pipe
> > > goes down, the other can be used for whatever service is
> > > missing.  In
> > > order to do redundancy for the pipe going to Corporate WAN,
> we
> > > needed a
> > > netscreen and a Tunnel Interface (netscreen for GRE and
> Tunnel
> > > for
> > > IPSEC).  We are also using EBGP for the Corporate WAN
> > > redistributing
> > > into EIGRP internally.  The access list is used so that
> EIGRP
> > > won't
> > > accept default routes from the Internet pipe going to the
> > > remote site.
> > > I'm not sure if there are any MTU issues with it but as far
> as
> > > high
> > > utilization, the traffic is only showing a max / day of
> 20-30%
> > > so I
> > > don't think bandwidth is the issue.
> > >
> > > I would agree that discards are unavoidable in a FA or GE
> > > environment,
> > > but prior to adding the internet circuit as the default
> route
> > > for the
> > > site, there were no discards.
> > >
> > > I have been to that site but the scenario is different from
> > > mine.
> > >
> > >
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> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:29 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: serial interface discards [7:70752]
> > >
> > >
> > > Nate wrote:
> > > >
> > > > well, it's a ESF Full T1.
> > >
> > > What feeds into the T1? If it's a busy Ethernet, especially
> > > Fast or
> > > Gigabit Ethernet, drops are unavoidable. Even though your
> stats
> > > show
> > > that the T1 utilization is only 23/255 (less than 10%), the
> > > stats show a
> > > moving average for the last 5 minutes, but the drops are
> since
> > > the last
> > > time you cleared the counters, 6 hours ago. So at some
> point,
> > > you
> > > probably had too much data to send over the 1.5Mbps T1.
> > >
> > > You need to watch it carefully to see if the drops
> correspond
> > > with high
> > > utilization. (I think you said that they do, in fact, which
> > > makes
> > > sense.)
> > >
> > > You may simply need more bandwidth. If this is an odd
> > > occurence, on the
> > > other hand, then perhaps you should check your IDS logs
> (you do
> > > have
> > > such a thing? :-) to determine if you were being probed or
> > > something.
> > >
> > > You've probably been to Cisco's site already and found this
> > > link:
> > >
> > > Troubleshooting Inpu

RE: question about serial link ? [7:70803]

2003-06-17 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
brian dell wrote:
> 
> help with the following:
> 
> Serial interfaces typically connect to WAN via serial links ?
> correct ?

Yes.

> and once we say serial links we imply bit oriented traffic via
> these links ? correct ??

Nope. Serial means one bit at a time is sent. The opposite is parallel,
which is hardly ever used these days for networking, but is used to connect
printers. With parallel communications, multiple bits go out at a time.

Serial versus parallel is a completey different concern than bit-oriented
versus byte-oriented protocols, which are also known as character-oriented
protocols. Character-oriented protocols are generally considered obsolete,
though that's arguable. The most popular one was Binary Synchronous
Communication or BSC, sometimes called BSYNCH.

With a character-oriented protocol, control information is inserted in the
message stream in the form of multibit characters. For example, with BSC, a
SYN or ACK is sent as a 7-bit ASCII character.

A bit-oriented protocol lets specific bits within a byte stream mean
something. For example, one bit might mean ACK. SDLC, HDLC, 802.3, 802.5,
802.2 and many upper-layer protocols are bit-oriented. Bit-oriented
protocols are much more efficient than character-oriented protocols.

802.3 Ethernet is bit-oriented, even though it doesn't use specific bits
much. But an obvious example is that a single bit (first bit transmitted)
means unicast versus broadcast/multicast. LLC 802.2 is bit-oriented. A
single bit means Command or Reply.

TCP is bit-oriented too, by the way. A single bit means SYN. IP is
bit-oriented. A single bit means "Don't Fragment," for example.

Routing protocols tend to by byte-oriented, by the way. A one or two-byte
opcode in the routing protocol header says whether the message is an Update
or Hello or Query or whatever. Application-layer protocols, such as SMTP and
FTP are even less efficient. They are string-oriented. They send
human-readable strings, such as RETR and RCTP TO. They are inefficient, but
very easy to use and troubleshoot.

Hope that helped!

___

Priscilla Oppenheimer
www.priscilla.com



> 
> if this is correct then what would be non bit oriented traffic
> or links ?
> i guess it would the links connected to LAN, like typical
> connection between, say a Router and a PC (via 10/100 lan
> connection). (would this be correct ?)
> 
> 




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Re: cisco 2511 Terminal Server for my first time! [7:53791]

2003-06-17 Thread Jonathan V Hays
??? wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am setting up 2511 terminal server for my first time, but don't work...
> 
> this is my 2511 configuration :
> 
> 
> line con 0
> 
> line 1 16
> session-timeout 20
> exec-timeout 0 0
> 
> line aux 0
> 
> line vty 0 4
> password
> login
> 
> 
> In above, i found i missed one command in "line con 0" prompt.
> --> line con 0
> transport input all
> So, i tried to type the command, but couldn't. The result is
> 
> --
> Router#conf t
> Enter configuration commands, one per line. End with CNTL/Z.
> Router(config)#line con 0
> Router(config-line)#transport input all
> ^
> % Invalid input detected at '^' marker.
> 
> Router(config-line)#
> --
> 
> I don't know why the command can't be input. There is the command In
> cisco documentation.
> (http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/793/access_dial/comm_server.html)
> 
> Anyone can help me?
> 
> sooil..
> 
> [TABLE NOT SHOWN][TABLE NOT SHOWN][IMAGE]
You are putting the command in the wrong line. Put it here:

line 1 16
  no exec
  transport input all

Also, you do not state what command you are using to test with.




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RE: number of CCIE [7:70151]

2003-06-17 Thread n rf
Vikram JeetSingh wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I was stopping myself for writing on this thread for quite some
> time. Quite
> a number of people have reverted back on this, but this one,
> (from Peter) is
> just kind of PERFECT. Priscilla also wrote on one of other
> threads, that for
> having a worthwhile career you just don't need good networking
> skills, but
> also "good networking of people". And I am sure it works. I
> have seen quite
> some useful mails from NRF, but this one is a losing battle
> (NRF: don't mind
> friend, nothing personal) and what Peter has stated is
> perfectly right (of
> course as per me) So a CCIE number, does matter, but more so,
> since all the
> chances are that the lower number ones would be having more
> experience and
> better "networking of people". And the higher numbered ones
> would be, in all
> chances, relatively new and also still into the stage of
> building their
> "networking of people". 
> 
> Just my 2 cents :)

I have never said that people-networking wasn't important.  In fact, I have
engaged in many newsgroup-post-wars where I have stated precisely that.  Go
reference some of my many posts on this newsgroup or on
alt.certification.cisco on this very subject.

However to talk about this subject is really to raise an issue that, for
purposes of this discussion, is neither here nor there. The issue at hand is
has the value of the CCIE declined over time, and the preponderance of the
evidence seems to be that the answer is 'yes', given the fact that
everybody, including myself, would like to trade their CCIE number for a
lower one.  Nor is the gambit that this has to do with the connection
between a lower number and more experience have much, if anything, to do
with it.  I would ask even the lower-number and highly experienced CCIE's
would they be neutral to trading their number for a higher one.  I'm not
asking them to think about trading their experience, just their number.  If
the CCIE hasn't declined, then they shouldn't care what number they are. 
But of course we all realize that they DO care, and care deeply.

Raising other issues that have to do with employment is not really relevant
in this thread.  After all, if we wanted to go down that road, then why
don't we raise ALL the issues that affect employment?  I would say that
certain other things are even more important than the people-networking in
terms of finding work.  For example, a criminal background.  I don't care if
you're the most brilliant engineer in the world, you're CCIE #1026, and
you're on a first name basis with John Chambers - if you're a convicted
serial-killer, you're going to have difficulty in finding work.  Let's face
it - no company is ever going to hire Charles Manson.  We could talk about
personal lifestyle choices.  If you're a coke fiend, finding a job might not
be easy for you.  If you can't speak the language of the country in which
you're trying to find a job, you will have great difficulty no matter how
wonderful your other credentials you are.  For example, surely you would
agree that if you want to get a job as a network guy in the USA, this might
be difficult if you can't speak English.

But should we really be talking about those kinds of things?  I don't think
so, for they are not relevant to the discussion.  The auspices of this
discussion are necessarily narrow - basically what has happened to the value
of the CCIE.  This is not a general discussion about how to find a job, for
which the first tenets should be don't commit crimes, don't make harmful
lifestyle choices, and learn the language of the country that you're in, and
then (and only then) can we talk about things like who-you-know and what
your CCIE number is. Surely you would agree that such a complete discussion
that talked about all these issues would be unnecessarily bloated and
top-heavy.


> 


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mode enable on aaa authentication [7:70800]

2003-06-17 Thread Frederico Madeira
i4ve configure my router with aaa authentication. Username and password
prompt
only in login. I want that prompt in enabel mode than.
How i make it ???

Tanks.

Frederico Madeira
Coordenador de Suporte
N. Landim Comircio Ltda
PABX: 81. 3497.3029
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RE: Internet is very slow behind Pix 515E UR [7:70783]

2003-06-17 Thread Daniel Cotts
Your PIX interfaces are set for 100/half duplex. If you want 100/full duplex
then specify "100full" in the config. Verify by a "sh int"

> -Original Message-
> From: Ismail Al-Shelh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:19 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Internet is very slow behind Pix 515E UR [7:70783]
> 
> 
> Whenever I access the web site which is behind the Pix 
> firewalls, the speed
> is really slow. 
> 
> I bypassed the firewall and accessed the same site and it's fast! 
> 
> I checked my settings and made sure all the connected devices 
> are running at
> 100 and full duplex, they all are! 
> 
> I mean why this is happening ... is it because the pix have 
> to inspect each
> packet! 
> 
> The Bandwidth from the service provider is 64k. 
> 
> Any Idea Please. 
> 
> 
> Any ideas?
>  
>  
> The Pix version is 6.1 besides this is satellite connection 
> 
> The internal Address range is 191.1.1.0-191.1.1.254 255.255.0.0 
> Outside address range is 10.15.9.163-183 255.255.255.224 
> Default Gateway: 10.15.9.62 255.255.255.224 
> DNS1: 195.238.62.1 
> DNS2: 195.238.40.30 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> AN# show config 
> : Saved 
> : 
> PIX Version 6.1(4) 
> nameif ethernet0 outside security0 
> nameif ethernet1 inside security100 
> nameif ethernet2 intf2 security10 
> enable password kC9ZDwfWejkBqApp encrypted 
> passwd 2KFQnbNIdI.2KYOU encrypted 
> hostname AN 
> domain-name ciscopix.com 
> fixup protocol ftp 21 
> fixup protocol http 80 
> fixup protocol h323 1720 
> fixup protocol rsh 514 
> fixup protocol rtsp 554 
> fixup protocol smtp 25 
> fixup protocol sqlnet 1521 
> fixup protocol sip 5060 
> fixup protocol skinny 2000 
> names 
> access-list acl_in permit icmp any any 
> access-list acl_in permit udp any any 
> access-list acl_in permit tcp any any 
> pager lines 10 
> logging buffered debugging 
> interface ethernet0 100basetx 
> interface ethernet1 100basetx 
> interface ethernet2 auto shutdown 
> mtu outside 1500 
> mtu inside 1500 
> mtu intf2 1500 
> ip address outside 10.15.9.163 255.255.255.224 
> ip address inside 191.1.1.85 255.255.0.0 
> ip address intf2 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 
> ip audit info action alarm 
> ip audit attack action alarm 
> pdm history enable 
> arp timeout 14400 
> global (outside) 1 10.15.9.164-10.15.9.180 
> global (outside) 1 10.15.9.181 
> nat (inside) 1 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0 0 
> access-group acl_out in interface outside 
> access-group acl_in in interface inside 
> route outside 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.15.9.163 1 
> timeout xlate 3:00:00 
> timeout conn 1:00:00 half-closed 0:10:00 udp 0:02:00 rpc 0:10:00 h323
> 0:05:00 si 
> p 0:30:00 sip_media 0:02:00 
> timeout uauth 0:05:00 absolute 
> aaa-server TACACS+ protocol tacacs+ 
> aaa-server RADIUS protocol radius 
> http server enable 
> no snmp-server location 
> no snmp-server contact 
> snmp-server community public 
> no snmp-server enable traps 
> floodguard enable 
> no sysopt route dnat 
> telnet 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 inside 
> telnet timeout 5 
> ssh timeout 5 
> terminal width 80 
> Cryptochecksum:97ca54591b41f6b215dabb457fe7c9de 
> AN#  
> 
> 
>  
> Ismail Al-Shelh
> 
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RE: Internet is very slow behind Pix 515E UR [7:70783]

2003-06-17 Thread Steve Wilson
Try taking the access-lists off the interfaces and try again. The access
control list acting on the interfaces means that every single packet going
through the interface is inspected. 

Steve Wilson 
Network Engineer


-Original Message-
From: Ismail Al-Shelh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 17 June 2003 16:19
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Internet is very slow behind Pix 515E UR [7:70783]

Whenever I access the web site which is behind the Pix firewalls, the speed
is really slow. 

I bypassed the firewall and accessed the same site and it's fast! 

I checked my settings and made sure all the connected devices are running at
100 and full duplex, they all are! 

I mean why this is happening ... is it because the pix have to inspect each
packet! 

The Bandwidth from the service provider is 64k. 

Any Idea Please. 


Any ideas?
 
 
The Pix version is 6.1 besides this is satellite connection 

The internal Address range is 191.1.1.0-191.1.1.254 255.255.0.0 
Outside address range is 10.15.9.163-183 255.255.255.224 
Default Gateway: 10.15.9.62 255.255.255.224 
DNS1: 195.238.62.1 
DNS2: 195.238.40.30 




AN# show config 
: Saved 
: 
PIX Version 6.1(4) 
nameif ethernet0 outside security0 
nameif ethernet1 inside security100 
nameif ethernet2 intf2 security10 
enable password kC9ZDwfWejkBqApp encrypted 
passwd 2KFQnbNIdI.2KYOU encrypted 
hostname AN 
domain-name ciscopix.com 
fixup protocol ftp 21 
fixup protocol http 80 
fixup protocol h323 1720 
fixup protocol rsh 514 
fixup protocol rtsp 554 
fixup protocol smtp 25 
fixup protocol sqlnet 1521 
fixup protocol sip 5060 
fixup protocol skinny 2000 
names 
access-list acl_in permit icmp any any 
access-list acl_in permit udp any any 
access-list acl_in permit tcp any any 
pager lines 10 
logging buffered debugging 
interface ethernet0 100basetx 
interface ethernet1 100basetx 
interface ethernet2 auto shutdown 
mtu outside 1500 
mtu inside 1500 
mtu intf2 1500 
ip address outside 10.15.9.163 255.255.255.224 
ip address inside 191.1.1.85 255.255.0.0 
ip address intf2 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 
ip audit info action alarm 
ip audit attack action alarm 
pdm history enable 
arp timeout 14400 
global (outside) 1 10.15.9.164-10.15.9.180 
global (outside) 1 10.15.9.181 
nat (inside) 1 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0 0 
access-group acl_out in interface outside 
access-group acl_in in interface inside 
route outside 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.15.9.163 1 
timeout xlate 3:00:00 
timeout conn 1:00:00 half-closed 0:10:00 udp 0:02:00 rpc 0:10:00 h323
0:05:00 si 
p 0:30:00 sip_media 0:02:00 
timeout uauth 0:05:00 absolute 
aaa-server TACACS+ protocol tacacs+ 
aaa-server RADIUS protocol radius 
http server enable 
no snmp-server location 
no snmp-server contact 
snmp-server community public 
no snmp-server enable traps 
floodguard enable 
no sysopt route dnat 
telnet 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 inside 
telnet timeout 5 
ssh timeout 5 
terminal width 80 
Cryptochecksum:97ca54591b41f6b215dabb457fe7c9de 
AN#  


 
Ismail Al-Shelh

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STP problem [7:70797]

2003-06-17 Thread Christopher Dumais
Hi all,
We are having an STP problem where we think a user with an integrated
wireless and LAN NIC is creating a bridge loop and bringing down the entire
network. The problem occurs then goes away after 20 or so minutes unless we
can narrow down which closet it is coming from and reboot the switch. All of
our management tools die during the outage. Does anyone have any ideas on
how we might prevent this from happening or track down the offender? We have
6509's in our Core and a mix of 3548's and 3550-SMI. Any thoughts are
appreciated. Thanks!

Chris Dumais, CCNP, CNA
Sr. Network Administrator
NSS Customer and Desktop Services Team
Maine Medical Center
(207)871-6940
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Re: Benefits of BGP holding the routing tables [7:70788]

2003-06-17 Thread MADMAN
If you are single homed there is no benefit running BGP but if your 
dual homed, BGP can allow you to utilize the best path along with the 
ability to dynamically announce your networks, influence incoming 
traffic and all kinds of fun stuff.

   Dave

Robert Perez wrote:
> Could anyone explain the benefit of using BGP and holding the routing
tables
> on your router versus having the ISP hold the tables and you just receive a
> default-route?  Thanks.
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Teltone ILS-1000 ISDN Simulator [7:70798]

2003-06-17 Thread Alex
Hi
Does anyone know where i can get new ILS image for this unit.

Thanks




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Re: serial interface discards [7:70752]

2003-06-17 Thread Nate
It is entirely possible that the monitoring software (Lucent Vital Net) is
showing something other than discards.  Unfortunately, that software doesn't
tell us what kind of discards.  The interface information doesn't reflect
what the monitoring sotware is showing so there is no way to confirm.

-Nate

- Original Message -
From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 10:59 PM
Subject: RE: serial interface discards [7:70752]


> You started the thread by saying that your monitoring software is saying
> that there are discards. What monitoring software is it? Are you sure it's
> referring to the drops that "show int" is displaying? Maybe it means
> something else by "discard."
>
> Priscilla
>
> Nathan wrote:
> >
> > Basically, we have two paths:  One going to the internet, and
> > one going
> > to the Corporate WAN.  We also have redundancy so that if
> > either pipe
> > goes down, the other can be used for whatever service is
> > missing.  In
> > order to do redundancy for the pipe going to Corporate WAN, we
> > needed a
> > netscreen and a Tunnel Interface (netscreen for GRE and Tunnel
> > for
> > IPSEC).  We are also using EBGP for the Corporate WAN
> > redistributing
> > into EIGRP internally.  The access list is used so that EIGRP
> > won't
> > accept default routes from the Internet pipe going to the
> > remote site.
> > I'm not sure if there are any MTU issues with it but as far as
> > high
> > utilization, the traffic is only showing a max / day of 20-30%
> > so I
> > don't think bandwidth is the issue.
> >
> > I would agree that discards are unavoidable in a FA or GE
> > environment,
> > but prior to adding the internet circuit as the default route
> > for the
> > site, there were no discards.
> >
> > I have been to that site but the scenario is different from
> > mine.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:29 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: serial interface discards [7:70752]
> >
> >
> > Nate wrote:
> > >
> > > well, it's a ESF Full T1.
> >
> > What feeds into the T1? If it's a busy Ethernet, especially
> > Fast or
> > Gigabit Ethernet, drops are unavoidable. Even though your stats
> > show
> > that the T1 utilization is only 23/255 (less than 10%), the
> > stats show a
> > moving average for the last 5 minutes, but the drops are since
> > the last
> > time you cleared the counters, 6 hours ago. So at some point,
> > you
> > probably had too much data to send over the 1.5Mbps T1.
> >
> > You need to watch it carefully to see if the drops correspond
> > with high
> > utilization. (I think you said that they do, in fact, which
> > makes
> > sense.)
> >
> > You may simply need more bandwidth. If this is an odd
> > occurence, on the
> > other hand, then perhaps you should check your IDS logs (you do
> > have
> > such a thing? :-) to determine if you were being probed or
> > something.
> >
> > You've probably been to Cisco's site already and found this
> > link:
> >
> > Troubleshooting Input Queue Drops and Output Queue Drops
> >
> > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/63/queue_drops.html#topic4
> >
> > It says the same thing about drops being unavoidable in some
> > cases, but
> > it also has some links to congestion avoidance and congestion
> > management
> > featuers (advanced queueing) so that you can control what gets
> > dropped.
> >
> > So, what's with the tunnel? Are there any MTU issues with it?
> > Tunnels
> > add overhead and cause packets to get dropped because they
> > don't fit.
> > I'm not sure that would get displayed with the "show int" drops
> > though.
> > It's worth looking into MTU issues though since they are an
> > infamous
> > problems with tunnels, or am I misunderstanding what you're
> > using the
> > tunnel for? I've never seen it used with a distribute list. Can
> > you
> > explain what you're accomplishing with that? Thank-you very
> > much.
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> >
> >
> > > Here's the running config for that
> > > interface:
> > >
> > > interface Serial0/0
> > >  bandwidth 1544
> > >  ip address x.x.x.2 255.255.255.0
> > >  no ip directed-broadcast
> > >  no ip mroute-cache
> > >  no fair-queue
> > >
> > > here's the config for eigrp 1
> > >
> > > router eigrp 1
> > >  redistribute static
> > >  network x.x.x.0
> > >  distribute-list 25 out Tunnel0
> > >  no auto-summary
> > >
> > > here's the tunnel0 config:
> > >
> > > interface Tunnel0
> > >  bandwidth 1544
> > >  ip address x.x.x.2 255.255.255.0
> > >  no ip directed-broadcast
> > >  tunnel source x.x.x.66
> > >  tunnel destination x.x.x.66
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "MADMAN"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 2:35 PM
> > > Subject: Re: serial interface discards [7:70752]
> > >
> > >
> > > > I would like to see you config also.  Is this a full or
> > > fractional
> > > > T1?   I don't see any error indications, you may simply be
> > > experiencing
> > >

Re: serial interface discards [7:70752]

2003-06-17 Thread Brad
to get a more accurate measure of the traffic currently flowing through the
interface you could reduce the time interval to 30 seconds.  You may be
better able to see bursts of traffic corresponding to the output drops.
conf t
int s0
load-interval 30
You could also try making the output queue larger,
hold-queue 4096 out
unless they are causing problems for traffic & users are complaining I
generally don't worry about the output drops as they are unavoidable when a
larger bandwidth LAN interface feeds into a smaller WAN link as others have
stated in this thread.
You really want to avoid getting input drops (according to Cisco) which you
don't appear to be having.
You might also check how the router interface is switching the packets
(process vs. fast) with "sh int switching" & "sh int stats" and make sure it
is fast switching by turning on "ip route-cache" on the interface or "ip
cef" on the router
I hope this helps you out, as I have spent many hours on this issue.
Brad

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> guys,  for some reason, our monitoring software is showing a bunch of
> discards on the serial WAN circuit.  The trend of discards seems to follow
> the traffic stream.  Here's the config for the interface:
>
> (CISCO3725)
> Serial0/0 is up, line protocol is up
>   Hardware is QUICC Serial
>   Internet address is x.x.x.2/24
>   MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1544 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, rely 255/255, load 23/255
>   Encapsulation HDLC, loopback not set, keepalive set (10 sec)
>   Last input 00:00:03, output 00:00:00, output hang never
>   Last clearing of "show interface" counters 06:29:38
>   Queueing strategy: fifo
>   Output queue 0/40, 22454 drops; input queue 0/75, 0 drops
>   5 minute input rate 1000 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
>   5 minute output rate 141000 bits/sec, 50 packets/sec
>  9576 packets input, 722935 bytes, 0 no buffer
>  Received 3124 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
>  0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort
>  1605454 packets output, 336655812 bytes, 0 underruns
>  0 output errors, 0 collisions, 0 interface resets
>  0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
>  0 carrier transitions
>  DCD=up  DSR=up  DTR=up  RTS=up  CTS=up
>
> Here's the config for the other end:
>
> (CISCO3725)
> Serial1/1 is up, line protocol is up
>   Hardware is DSCC4 Serial
>   Internet address is x.x.x.1/24
>   MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1544 Kbit, DLY 2000 usec,
>  reliability 255/255, txload 1/255, rxload 19/255
>   Encapsulation HDLC, loopback not set
>   Keepalive set (10 sec)
>   DTR is pulsed for 1672712 seconds on reset, Restart-Delay is 1672712
secs
>   Last input 00:00:01, output 00:00:02, output hang never
>   Last clearing of "show interface" counters 02:59:32
>   Input queue: 0/75/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops: 0
>   Queueing strategy: fifo
>   Output queue: 0/40 (size/max)
>   5 minute input rate 12 bits/sec, 53 packets/sec
>   5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
>  966133 packets input, 216228857 bytes, 0 no buffer
>  Received 1256 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
>  0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort
>  4380 packets output, 331039 bytes, 0 underruns
>  0 output errors, 0 collisions, 0 interface resets
>  0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
>  0 carrier transitions
>  DCD=up  DSR=up  DTR=up  RTS=up  CTS=up
>
> If anyone could help me figure out why this is happening, I'd appreciate
it.
> Thanks.




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Re: Benefits of BGP holding the routing tables [7:70788]

2003-06-17 Thread Thomas Crowe
Unless you have multiple egress points from your network to the Internet 
(IOW Load Balancing) there is really not a compelling reason to recieve 
full BGP routes, just have your ISP send you defaults via BGP, or even 
simpler set your default to your ISP facing interface.

HTH

Robert Perez wrote:
> Could anyone explain the benefit of using BGP and holding the routing
tables
> on your router versus having the ISP hold the tables and you just receive a
> default-route?  Thanks.
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Re: Networkers, pt. 2 [7:70768]

2003-06-17 Thread Brad
Router config parties???  Dude, you'll be in florida!  Go out to the beaches
and check out the babes!!!  :)

-brad

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> I know Robert McCallum already asked this, but who is going to Networkers
in
> Orlando next week? Any cool GroupStudy router config parties gonna happen?
> :-)
> Geoff Mossburg




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Re: 7500 (RSP8) config save problems [7:70767]

2003-06-17 Thread Zsombor Papp
ATA flash disks (disk0:, disk1:) work as you expected. Linear flash cards 
(slot0:, slot1:, bootflash:) work (by design) as Geoff described.

Thanks,

Zsombor

At 02:21 PM 6/17/2003 +, MADMAN wrote:
>Mossburg, Geoff (MAN-Corporate) wrote:
> > Has anyone had problems save configs to a PCMCIA flash card on an RSP8?
The
> > problem I'm having is that when I save a newer config over-top of the old
> > config with the same name, it creates 2 separate instances of the file. I
> > keep having to re-format or squeeze the card every month or two! Any
ideas?
> > Geoff Mossburg
> >
>
>Must be a new "feature" ;)  Mine works as you expected, running
>12.2.11T and dual RSP8's:
>
>C7507A#copy running-config disk0:
>Destination filename [running-config]?
>
>3628 bytes copied in 0.756 secs (4799 bytes/sec)
>C7507A#dir disk0:
>Directory of disk0:/
>
>  1  -rw-19102960   Jun 02 2003 08:20:50  rsp-jsv-mz.122-11.T.bin
>  2  -rw-3628   Jun 17 2003 05:48:06  running-config
>
>41721856 bytes total (22614016 bytes free)
>
>C7507A#copy running-config disk0:
>Destination filename [running-config]?
>%Warning:There is a file already existing with this name
>Do you want to over write? [confirm]
>
>3628 bytes copied in 0.704 secs (5153 bytes/sec)
>C7507A#dir disk0:
>Directory of disk0:/
>
>  1  -rw-19102960   Jun 02 2003 08:20:50  rsp-jsv-mz.122-11.T.bin
>  2  -rw-3628   Jun 17 2003 05:49:48  running-config
>
>41721856 bytes total (22614016 bytes free)
>
>Dave
>
>
>
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>Sr. Network Engineer
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>612-664-3367
>
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>can do something to the people." -- Thomas Jefferson




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RE: number of CCIE [7:70151]

2003-06-17 Thread Vikram JeetSingh
Hi All,

I was stopping myself for writing on this thread for quite some time. Quite
a number of people have reverted back on this, but this one, (from Peter) is
just kind of PERFECT. Priscilla also wrote on one of other threads, that for
having a worthwhile career you just don't need good networking skills, but
also "good networking of people". And I am sure it works. I have seen quite
some useful mails from NRF, but this one is a losing battle (NRF: don't mind
friend, nothing personal) and what Peter has stated is perfectly right (of
course as per me) So a CCIE number, does matter, but more so, since all the
chances are that the lower number ones would be having more experience and
better "networking of people". And the higher numbered ones would be, in all
chances, relatively new and also still into the stage of building their
"networking of people". 

Just my 2 cents :)


Vikram




-Original Message-
From: Peter van Oene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: number of CCIE [7:70151]

> >
> > [JN] Yeah, but does the "college happy" HR dude (your idol) who
> > says
> > "bachelors required" on dinky IT jobs (e.g. desktop support
> > tech) pay
> > attention to that?  As far as he's concerned all BSs are BSs,
> > and they are
> > all "superior" to non-graduates.   Remember that we are talking
> > about IT
> > jobs, not "top mamanegent" or "top financial analyst" positions.
>
>First of all, let me clear up that HR is not "my idol".  I too do not like
>many of the things that HR does.
>
>The difference is that I accept that HR has hiring power and I see little
>point in raging against the machine on this point.  Why? What's the point?
>You can whine all you want and they're still going to have hiring power.
>It's far more efficient to simply accept that HR has hiring power and learn
>to follow their rules.

I don't mean to get into the battle of which CCIE number is better than
which as I don't really have an opinion.  However, one thing I do pick up
on is the reliance here upon getting through HR screens.  I don't recall
ever getting a job through conventional means myself and I don't imagine
that many somewhat established folks who do better than average work do
either.  Most of the hiring I've ever participated in was referral based as
well.

To me, this debate really only applies to those folks who do not have
contacts in a given area and who are not prone to more aggressive
employment acquisition strategies.  This bunch of folks tends to flood
resumes out to Monster and hope they get a call.  However, I would see this
category of folks as pretty junior, in which case I wouldn't expect to see
them applying for the top tier jobs in the industry.  These folks need to
get a job, get established, and then leverage their contact base to move on
to bigger and better things, or leverage their track record to move up
internally.

So, the way I see it, either you are pretty new to the industry and need
some help getting through screener bots, or you are not and should find far
better mileage leveraging your contact base in the industry.  If you are
good at what you do, likely the folks you worked with noticed this as did
the vendors who worked with you as did your customers.  Somewhere in that
mix there has to be a hotter lead than www.findmeajobfor100k.com.   If you
are new, having a CCIE number of any type likely helps a bunch and I can't
see anyone caring how high or low it is unless you are trying to get some
uber job.  If you are, you'll likely lose to someone else who came
recommended and the how many guys passed the lab before you won't be of
much significance.  (did I just get into the debate I said I wanted to
avoid? :)

Anyway, I guess I'm not sure who the group of people are who are highly
talented, yet have no contacts in the industry but still expect to pull
down top calibre jobs.  I'm also not sure who the top calibre job employers
are that would chose not to hire you based upon how high your CCIE number
was vs how well you fit the job and interviewed, but I'm assuming this CCIE
number value cut deals more with first cut resume screening.

Pete


>Second of all, do you not think that if HR sees a degree from Harvard in a
>resume, he's going to give more weight to that resume than to a guy from
>Podunk Community College?  Of course he would.  Everybody would.  Sure,
he's
>not going to say that anybody who wants to get a job must have Crimson
>blood, but when it comes to making the first cut, you know what he's going
>to do.
>
> >
> > [NRF] First of all, what "admissions fiasco"?  Are you saying
> > that because
> > of the
> > abundance of information that all of a sudden everybody's
> > getting a perfect
> > score on their SAT's?  I don't see that happening.  Do you?  If
> > so, please
> >
> > [JN] The admissions process is a fiasco, but that is another
> > issue.  Are you
> > implying that all the certified people are "getting perfe

Benefits of BGP holding the routing tables [7:70788]

2003-06-17 Thread Robert Perez
Could anyone explain the benefit of using BGP and holding the routing tables
on your router versus having the ISP hold the tables and you just receive a
default-route?  Thanks.




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Internet is very slow behind Pix 515E UR [7:70783]

2003-06-17 Thread Ismail Al-Shelh
Whenever I access the web site which is behind the Pix firewalls, the speed
is really slow. 

I bypassed the firewall and accessed the same site and it's fast! 

I checked my settings and made sure all the connected devices are running at
100 and full duplex, they all are! 

I mean why this is happening ... is it because the pix have to inspect each
packet! 

The Bandwidth from the service provider is 64k. 

Any Idea Please. 


Any ideas?
 
 
The Pix version is 6.1 besides this is satellite connection 

The internal Address range is 191.1.1.0-191.1.1.254 255.255.0.0 
Outside address range is 10.15.9.163-183 255.255.255.224 
Default Gateway: 10.15.9.62 255.255.255.224 
DNS1: 195.238.62.1 
DNS2: 195.238.40.30 




AN# show config 
: Saved 
: 
PIX Version 6.1(4) 
nameif ethernet0 outside security0 
nameif ethernet1 inside security100 
nameif ethernet2 intf2 security10 
enable password kC9ZDwfWejkBqApp encrypted 
passwd 2KFQnbNIdI.2KYOU encrypted 
hostname AN 
domain-name ciscopix.com 
fixup protocol ftp 21 
fixup protocol http 80 
fixup protocol h323 1720 
fixup protocol rsh 514 
fixup protocol rtsp 554 
fixup protocol smtp 25 
fixup protocol sqlnet 1521 
fixup protocol sip 5060 
fixup protocol skinny 2000 
names 
access-list acl_in permit icmp any any 
access-list acl_in permit udp any any 
access-list acl_in permit tcp any any 
pager lines 10 
logging buffered debugging 
interface ethernet0 100basetx 
interface ethernet1 100basetx 
interface ethernet2 auto shutdown 
mtu outside 1500 
mtu inside 1500 
mtu intf2 1500 
ip address outside 10.15.9.163 255.255.255.224 
ip address inside 191.1.1.85 255.255.0.0 
ip address intf2 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 
ip audit info action alarm 
ip audit attack action alarm 
pdm history enable 
arp timeout 14400 
global (outside) 1 10.15.9.164-10.15.9.180 
global (outside) 1 10.15.9.181 
nat (inside) 1 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0 0 
access-group acl_out in interface outside 
access-group acl_in in interface inside 
route outside 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.15.9.163 1 
timeout xlate 3:00:00 
timeout conn 1:00:00 half-closed 0:10:00 udp 0:02:00 rpc 0:10:00 h323
0:05:00 si 
p 0:30:00 sip_media 0:02:00 
timeout uauth 0:05:00 absolute 
aaa-server TACACS+ protocol tacacs+ 
aaa-server RADIUS protocol radius 
http server enable 
no snmp-server location 
no snmp-server contact 
snmp-server community public 
no snmp-server enable traps 
floodguard enable 
no sysopt route dnat 
telnet 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 inside 
telnet timeout 5 
ssh timeout 5 
terminal width 80 
Cryptochecksum:97ca54591b41f6b215dabb457fe7c9de 
AN#  


 
Ismail Al-Shelh

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Re: 7500 (RSP8) config save problems [7:70767]

2003-06-17 Thread MADMAN
Mossburg, Geoff (MAN-Corporate) wrote:
> Has anyone had problems save configs to a PCMCIA flash card on an RSP8? The
> problem I'm having is that when I save a newer config over-top of the old
> config with the same name, it creates 2 separate instances of the file. I
> keep having to re-format or squeeze the card every month or two! Any ideas?
> Geoff Mossburg
> 

   Must be a new "feature" ;)  Mine works as you expected, running 
12.2.11T and dual RSP8's:

C7507A#copy running-config disk0:
Destination filename [running-config]?

3628 bytes copied in 0.756 secs (4799 bytes/sec)
C7507A#dir disk0:
Directory of disk0:/

 1  -rw-19102960   Jun 02 2003 08:20:50  rsp-jsv-mz.122-11.T.bin
 2  -rw-3628   Jun 17 2003 05:48:06  running-config

41721856 bytes total (22614016 bytes free)

C7507A#copy running-config disk0:
Destination filename [running-config]?
%Warning:There is a file already existing with this name
Do you want to over write? [confirm]

3628 bytes copied in 0.704 secs (5153 bytes/sec)
C7507A#dir disk0:
Directory of disk0:/

 1  -rw-19102960   Jun 02 2003 08:20:50  rsp-jsv-mz.122-11.T.bin
 2  -rw-3628   Jun 17 2003 05:49:48  running-config

41721856 bytes total (22614016 bytes free)

   Dave



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RE: TACACS - Cheap or Free [7:70764]

2003-06-17 Thread Nikolay Abromov





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RE: VPN How To: [7:70775]

2003-06-17 Thread Mark W. Odette II
Simple search via Cisco's home page for 'router to router vpn' yielded
the following:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk583/tk372/technologies_configuration_e
xample09186a008009448f.shtml

or

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk583/tk372/technologies_configuration_e
xample09186a00800949ef.shtml

Be careful though, as some "TAC Authored" examples sometimes have a few
bugs in format/syntax.

HTH's
Mark

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Can anyone point me to some in depth but simple documentation on setting
up
a point to point encrypted link between a 1603 and a 2514?

Justin




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RE: CCNP Recert Question [7:70769]

2003-06-17 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Helena wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> For those of you who have done the CCNP Recertification, do
> they cover new
> topics/protocols like 802.1w, 802.1s, QoS, IS-IS etc?  Or is it
> just old
> topics?

IS-IS is on it. I didn't see anything for those other topics that you
mentioned.

Priscilla


> 
> Thanks
> Helena
> 
> 




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Re: Port Adapter [7:70772]

2003-06-17 Thread Brian W.
Isnt the default for that b8zs/esf with a full t, it gets interesting with a
fractional t.  Show controller will give you what it is currently setup,
IIRC.

Brian

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Subject: Port Adapter [7:70772]


> I have PA-MC-8T1 installed on 7206. What is supposedly correct
configuration
> to support full t1 that is provided my ISP? The thing really gets me is
the
> timeslot and cable-length parameters. Please advise.
>
>
> Thanx in advance!
>
> Jeff
>
>
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RE: serial interface discards [7:70752]

2003-06-17 Thread Nathan
Basically, we have two paths:  One going to the internet, and one going
to the Corporate WAN.  We also have redundancy so that if either pipe
goes down, the other can be used for whatever service is missing.  In
order to do redundancy for the pipe going to Corporate WAN, we needed a
netscreen and a Tunnel Interface (netscreen for GRE and Tunnel for
IPSEC).  We are also using EBGP for the Corporate WAN redistributing
into EIGRP internally.  The access list is used so that EIGRP won't
accept default routes from the Internet pipe going to the remote site.
I'm not sure if there are any MTU issues with it but as far as high
utilization, the traffic is only showing a max / day of 20-30% so I
don't think bandwidth is the issue.

I would agree that discards are unavoidable in a FA or GE environment,
but prior to adding the internet circuit as the default route for the
site, there were no discards.

I have been to that site but the scenario is different from mine.


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Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: serial interface discards [7:70752]


Nate wrote:
> 
> well, it's a ESF Full T1.

What feeds into the T1? If it's a busy Ethernet, especially Fast or
Gigabit Ethernet, drops are unavoidable. Even though your stats show
that the T1 utilization is only 23/255 (less than 10%), the stats show a
moving average for the last 5 minutes, but the drops are since the last
time you cleared the counters, 6 hours ago. So at some point, you
probably had too much data to send over the 1.5Mbps T1.

You need to watch it carefully to see if the drops correspond with high
utilization. (I think you said that they do, in fact, which makes
sense.)

You may simply need more bandwidth. If this is an odd occurence, on the
other hand, then perhaps you should check your IDS logs (you do have
such a thing? :-) to determine if you were being probed or something.

You've probably been to Cisco's site already and found this link:

Troubleshooting Input Queue Drops and Output Queue Drops

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/63/queue_drops.html#topic4

It says the same thing about drops being unavoidable in some cases, but
it also has some links to congestion avoidance and congestion management
featuers (advanced queueing) so that you can control what gets dropped.

So, what's with the tunnel? Are there any MTU issues with it? Tunnels
add overhead and cause packets to get dropped because they don't fit.
I'm not sure that would get displayed with the "show int" drops though.
It's worth looking into MTU issues though since they are an infamous
problems with tunnels, or am I misunderstanding what you're using the
tunnel for? I've never seen it used with a distribute list. Can you
explain what you're accomplishing with that? Thank-you very much.

Priscilla



> Here's the running config for that
> interface:
> 
> interface Serial0/0
>  bandwidth 1544
>  ip address x.x.x.2 255.255.255.0
>  no ip directed-broadcast
>  no ip mroute-cache
>  no fair-queue
> 
> here's the config for eigrp 1
> 
> router eigrp 1
>  redistribute static
>  network x.x.x.0
>  distribute-list 25 out Tunnel0
>  no auto-summary
> 
> here's the tunnel0 config:
> 
> interface Tunnel0
>  bandwidth 1544
>  ip address x.x.x.2 255.255.255.0
>  no ip directed-broadcast
>  tunnel source x.x.x.66
>  tunnel destination x.x.x.66
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "MADMAN"
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 2:35 PM
> Subject: Re: serial interface discards [7:70752]
> 
> 
> > I would like to see you config also.  Is this a full or
> fractional
> > T1?   I don't see any error indications, you may simply be
> experiencing
> > short, large bursts of traffic hence the output drops.
> >
> >
> >Dave
> >
> > Nate wrote:
> > > guys,  for some reason, our monitoring software is showing
> a bunch of
> > > discards on the serial WAN circuit.  The trend of discards
> seems to
> follow
> > > the traffic stream.  Here's the config for the interface:
> > >
> > > (CISCO3725)
> > > Serial0/0 is up, line protocol is up
> > >   Hardware is QUICC Serial
> > >   Internet address is x.x.x.2/24
> > >   MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1544 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, rely
> 255/255, load
> 23/255
> > >   Encapsulation HDLC, loopback not set, keepalive set (10
> sec)
> > >   Last input 00:00:03, output 00:00:00, output hang never
> > >   Last clearing of "show interface" counters 06:29:38
> > >   Queueing strategy: fifo
> > >   Output queue 0/40, 22454 drops; input queue 0/75, 0 drops
> > >   5 minute input rate 1000 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
> > >   5 minute output rate 141000 bits/sec, 50 packets/sec
> > >  9576 packets input, 722935 bytes, 0 no buffer
> > >  Received 3124 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0
> throttles
> > >  0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored,
> 0 abort
> > >  1605454 packets output, 336655812 bytes, 0 underruns
> > >  0 output errors, 0 collisions, 0 interface re

RE: serial interface discards [7:70752]

2003-06-17 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
You started the thread by saying that your monitoring software is saying
that there are discards. What monitoring software is it? Are you sure it's
referring to the drops that "show int" is displaying? Maybe it means
something else by "discard."

Priscilla

Nathan wrote:
> 
> Basically, we have two paths:  One going to the internet, and
> one going
> to the Corporate WAN.  We also have redundancy so that if
> either pipe
> goes down, the other can be used for whatever service is
> missing.  In
> order to do redundancy for the pipe going to Corporate WAN, we
> needed a
> netscreen and a Tunnel Interface (netscreen for GRE and Tunnel
> for
> IPSEC).  We are also using EBGP for the Corporate WAN
> redistributing
> into EIGRP internally.  The access list is used so that EIGRP
> won't
> accept default routes from the Internet pipe going to the
> remote site.
> I'm not sure if there are any MTU issues with it but as far as
> high
> utilization, the traffic is only showing a max / day of 20-30%
> so I
> don't think bandwidth is the issue.
> 
> I would agree that discards are unavoidable in a FA or GE
> environment,
> but prior to adding the internet circuit as the default route
> for the
> site, there were no discards.
> 
> I have been to that site but the scenario is different from
> mine.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:29 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: serial interface discards [7:70752]
> 
> 
> Nate wrote:
> > 
> > well, it's a ESF Full T1.
> 
> What feeds into the T1? If it's a busy Ethernet, especially
> Fast or
> Gigabit Ethernet, drops are unavoidable. Even though your stats
> show
> that the T1 utilization is only 23/255 (less than 10%), the
> stats show a
> moving average for the last 5 minutes, but the drops are since
> the last
> time you cleared the counters, 6 hours ago. So at some point,
> you
> probably had too much data to send over the 1.5Mbps T1.
> 
> You need to watch it carefully to see if the drops correspond
> with high
> utilization. (I think you said that they do, in fact, which
> makes
> sense.)
> 
> You may simply need more bandwidth. If this is an odd
> occurence, on the
> other hand, then perhaps you should check your IDS logs (you do
> have
> such a thing? :-) to determine if you were being probed or
> something.
> 
> You've probably been to Cisco's site already and found this
> link:
> 
> Troubleshooting Input Queue Drops and Output Queue Drops
> 
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/63/queue_drops.html#topic4
> 
> It says the same thing about drops being unavoidable in some
> cases, but
> it also has some links to congestion avoidance and congestion
> management
> featuers (advanced queueing) so that you can control what gets
> dropped.
> 
> So, what's with the tunnel? Are there any MTU issues with it?
> Tunnels
> add overhead and cause packets to get dropped because they
> don't fit.
> I'm not sure that would get displayed with the "show int" drops
> though.
> It's worth looking into MTU issues though since they are an
> infamous
> problems with tunnels, or am I misunderstanding what you're
> using the
> tunnel for? I've never seen it used with a distribute list. Can
> you
> explain what you're accomplishing with that? Thank-you very
> much.
> 
> Priscilla
> 
> 
> 
> > Here's the running config for that
> > interface:
> > 
> > interface Serial0/0
> >  bandwidth 1544
> >  ip address x.x.x.2 255.255.255.0
> >  no ip directed-broadcast
> >  no ip mroute-cache
> >  no fair-queue
> > 
> > here's the config for eigrp 1
> > 
> > router eigrp 1
> >  redistribute static
> >  network x.x.x.0
> >  distribute-list 25 out Tunnel0
> >  no auto-summary
> > 
> > here's the tunnel0 config:
> > 
> > interface Tunnel0
> >  bandwidth 1544
> >  ip address x.x.x.2 255.255.255.0
> >  no ip directed-broadcast
> >  tunnel source x.x.x.66
> >  tunnel destination x.x.x.66
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "MADMAN"
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 2:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: serial interface discards [7:70752]
> > 
> > 
> > > I would like to see you config also.  Is this a full or
> > fractional
> > > T1?   I don't see any error indications, you may simply be
> > experiencing
> > > short, large bursts of traffic hence the output drops.
> > >
> > >
> > >Dave
> > >
> > > Nate wrote:
> > > > guys,  for some reason, our monitoring software is showing
> > a bunch of
> > > > discards on the serial WAN circuit.  The trend of discards
> > seems to
> > follow
> > > > the traffic stream.  Here's the config for the interface:
> > > >
> > > > (CISCO3725)
> > > > Serial0/0 is up, line protocol is up
> > > >   Hardware is QUICC Serial
> > > >   Internet address is x.x.x.2/24
> > > >   MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1544 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, rely
> > 255/255, load
> > 23/255
> > > >   Encapsulation HDLC, loopback not set, keepalive set (10
> > sec)
> > > >   Last input 00:00:03, output 00:00:00, output hang nev