RE: IP unnumbered and OSPF

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Why wouldn't you just use wildcards to indicated the exact interface(s)?

-Original Message-
From: Karl R. West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:23 AM
To: 'Tom Pruneau'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: IP unnumbered and OSPF


Thanks, I thought so too but someone pointed me to this link

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/104/ospfdb1.html

-Original Message-
From: Tom Pruneau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:08 AM
To: Karl R. West; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IP unnumbered and OSPF


Greetings Karl

I can't remember exactly where I read that , but I did. More specifically
you can't have ip unnumbered on an interface running OSPF because there is
no address to be neighbors with.

If what you want to do is have a router with some ospf interfaces and some
other interface not running ospf, and you want unnumbered on the non-OSPF
interfaces, I think taht would be OK.

Tom





At 03:22 PM 01/31/2001 -0500, Karl R. West wrote:
>Refresh me please...
>
>I remember reading some where why you should not have IP UNNUMBERED running
>on the router your going to put OSPF on.
>Can some one refresh my memory.
>
>
>Regards,
>Karl
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RE: IP unnumbered and OSPF

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

>From the Cisco Press book:

"When an unnumbered interface is configured, it references another interface
...  When enabling OSPF on the unnumbered int with the network command, use
an 'address wildcard-mask' pair that refers to the interface to which the
unnumbered interface is pointing."

-Original Message-
From: Pamela Forsyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:07 PM
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Subject: Re: IP unnumbered and OSPF


Karl, Tom,

I think you are both mistaken--in fact, RFC 2328 contains multiple 
references to unnumbered point-to-point links and what should be done about 
them when developing an OSPF implementation.

The router doesn't need an exact interface IP address on a point-to-point 
link in order to form a neighbor relationship.  All OSPF packets on a 
point-to-point link are going to be sent to the multicast address 
224.0.0.5, and it really doesn't matter what IP address is the source in 
those packets.  The neighboring router is identified by its router ID, not 
its address on the interface.

I have set up OSPF with IP unnumbered, and it worked just fine.

Pamela

At 02:07 AM 2/1/01 -0500, Tom Pruneau wrote:
>Greetings Karl
>
>I can't remember exactly where I read that , but I did. More specifically
>you can't have ip unnumbered on an interface running OSPF because there is
>no address to be neighbors with.
>
>If what you want to do is have a router with some ospf interfaces and some
>other interface not running ospf, and you want unnumbered on the non-OSPF
>interfaces, I think taht would be OK.
>
>Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>At 03:22 PM 01/31/2001 -0500, Karl R. West wrote:
> >Refresh me please...
> >
> >I remember reading some where why you should not have IP UNNUMBERED
running
> >on the router your going to put OSPF on.
> >Can some one refresh my memory.
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >Karl

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RTR-to-RTR

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Can two routers (through Async) be connected back-to-back via modems for a
lab?

Rob

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RE: The future of MCNS (Security)

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Great!! Great!!  I love how they're moving on this and I love how they are
again moving on this before any real security information is published.
Advanced Pix?  Why not start out with a better written guide for the regular
Pix?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 8:27 PM
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Subject: The future of MCNS (Security)


http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/special1/changes_01-
01-01.html

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/special1/course.html

After introduction of CCIE Security, Cisco is now adding to the requirements
of attaining MCNS.
As of January, it will take four exams ( instead of one ) to become security
certified. See the above links.


A. Strobel


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RE: Study sanity

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Hasn't it been 6 months or a year since the Blueberry thread?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 2:56 PM
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Subject: Re: Study sanity


Blueberries!   ;-)


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> much, and keep rereading material because it's repeated in every book,
that
> you feel a little dizzy, a bit disoriented, and ready to throw the books
out
> the window.
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> Let's hear what everyone has done, especially those CCIEs!
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RE: Study sanity

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A;-)

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On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor wrote:

> Hasn't it been 6 months or a year since the Blueberry thread?

If you don't remember how long ago it was, you definitely need to eat
more blueberries. :-) 

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Unbreakable Auth on Router?

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Happy holidays all -

I have a router that I can not get into.  It apparently has authorization
enabled because it says "Authorization Failed."  Will the password recovery
method of breaking the boot process work on this router?  

Thanks,

Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
Information Security Engineer
IA Systems Analyst
Sytex, Inc./ Naval Special Warfare Command

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RE: Unbreakable Auth on Router?

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Thanks Russ (and to those of you who have also replied).

I guess what I should have said was, "I think my break sequences aren't
working - the ones I got from CCO."  I say this because when I power off/on
the router, regardless of the keys I use, the process is NOT stopping.  So
this led me to ask myself (because when my router won't answer back) two
questions (I'm using Hyperterm through Win2K Prof):

1) Are the break sequences I am using valid? (I got them from CCO.)
2) Can AAA be thwarted like the EN password can?

If 1) is yes but 2) is no...uh oh!
If 1) is no  and 2) is yes...then I just have to figure out what works in
Win2K.

But I can't get past "Press RETURN to Start!"

Rob

-Original Message-
From: Russell Lusignan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 12:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Unbreakable Auth on Router?


Yes.. but when you do the password recovery (before you reboot the router
with the new enable password) check to see if AAA authentication is enabled
on the router.. if it is go into config mode and enter "no aaa new-model"
that will remove it..  save the config to startup-config and reboot..

Hope that helps
Russ..

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>
> I have a router that I can not get into.  It apparently has authorization
> enabled because it says "Authorization Failed."  Will the password
recovery
> method of breaking the boot process work on this router?
>
> Thanks,
>
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RE: O/T ballots-per-second musings

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Our Head Voter Guy (Office of Registrar) said that it would cost San Diego
County $10 million to equip the country with computers for election
purposes.  He estimated a cost of $4k/$5k per computer.  I wonder which
outfit is offering the 200% markup?  I can't believe that computers still
can not take a more active role in tabulation of votes, at the polls and
after the election.

-Original Message-
From: Bradley J. Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 3:07 AM
To: cisco
Subject: Re: O/T ballots-per-second musings


Priscilla for President '04! ;-)

(Of course, you'll be running against Hillary... ;-)


- Original Message -
From: Priscilla Oppenheimer
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 10:14 PM
Subject: O/T ballots-per-second musings


Has anyone figured out the ballots-per-second (bps) transmission rate for
the ballots that travelled in a Ryder truck from Palm Beach County to
Tallahassee? &;-)

Seriously, do we recognize how ridiculous this situation is? With current
technology, the data should have arrived in seconds. We seem to have
scraped by the year 2000 without any major disasters caused by Y2K bugs.
However, the year 2000 election is a victim of ancient, buggy punch-card
readers. I call this the E2K problem.

The punch card readers in Miami-Dade County were unable to detect a vote
for president on 10,000 ballots. That's outrageous! Regardless of any
political wrangling about the significance of this problem, as computer
professionals, we should be asking ourselves, how could this happen?

We now have two kinds of proof (Y2K and E2K) that we need to take a more
active role in working with our users to dump ancient systems and upgrade
to newer and less buggy solutions. That's not an easy task, of course.
Finances, office politics, and risk aversion are just some of the many
reasons that users don't upgrade. But what are we doing to be more
proactive? Are we monitoring our systems to determine their fragility? Are
we taking action when we recognize potential problems? Are we designing
reliable systems that can adapt to changes? Or are we hiding behind our
21-inch monitors and praying that nothing bad will happen on our shift?

I'd like to see the computer industry get serious about developing less
buggy systems and upgrading legacy systems that are failure-prone. I'd
welcome a technical (non-political) discussion on this topic. Thanks for
listening to my ravings. &;-)

Priscilla



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RE: CCNP

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

You should have also received a teal frog that says Cisco everytime someone
walks by it.

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Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:47 PM
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Subject: CCNP



  Folks,
Can someone tell me what you get from cisco after
becoming a CCNP, all I got is my certificate, no card
or anything else. Please shed some light on this.

Thanks

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RE: Help me guys CCO Login

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You have to pay.

-Original Message-
From: Shahid Muhammad Shafi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 11:58 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Help me guys CCO Login


Hi Cisco gurus out there. I want some help, i need to
make CCO login and i know thayt i can do that by
clicking register but then it askds for a verification
key for which i have no clue. kindly u guys help me
with this.

=
Shahid Muhammad Shafi
MSc Telecommunications Candidate
University of Colorado Boulder
BSEE(GIKI),MCSE+I,CNA,CCNA,CCNP,NNCAS

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The List

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Has the list been down or just something on my system?  I haven't received
email for 2 days but all of a sudden...it's back!?!

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RE: You have received a George W. Bush Ecard from Matt Lange

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Yes!  I have the answer to these people!!!  Now we won't have to deal with
the fraudulent emails and politically motivated emails: DELETE THE MESSAGE!

Signed -

A laughing Democrat

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Matt!

Keep your politics OUT of my mailbox AND off of this maillist!!!

Paul,

This rates right up there with the ericsson e-mail fraud message. 
Can't something be done about these people?  


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RE: You have received a George W. Bush Ecard from Matt Lange

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Hey!  I'm not whining...I think this rather funny.  

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Geez would you damn Democrats quit whining about this already?  I think he
got the picture.  I hope we dont have to hear ANY more replies on this.  I'd
rather have to delete the one spam email than delete the 15 complaints sent
to the ENTIRE group.  So, enough already!

John


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> -
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RE: PLEASE STOP THIS out of track H1-B TOPIC

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Better yet, move it off of *study.com!!

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Please move this discussion to the cisco jobs list.

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> While one can't deny that you are a mess, you never did mention anything
> about H-1B as indicated in your subject line.
>
> Now that the H-1B topic has degenerated to individual subscribers to
> Groupstudy using the list to unashamedly reveal the most personal details
of
> the Kafkaesque  nightmares that their lives are, perhaps we can move on to
> more relevant fare...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Subject: One Asian's comments about H1-B
>
>
> >I was born in the US.
> >I think I'm different from a lot of Americans and Asians because I
was
> > born with ADD and severe depression and have been fighting it all my
life.
> > But I still think of myself as Asian.
> >   Once you have been at that depth of pain,your existence seems to just
> > transgress everything human.   I  kept on going in school &have got a
ME,
> > BSEE and MSEE , CNE, MSCE and CCNA.
> >   Anyway last week I finished 4th in a Triathlon. Once you have been at
> the
> > level of pain that ADD and depression can cause, the Triathlon doesnt
hurt
> > too much.
> >I try to work hard not so I can buy a big Mercedes or a huge house. I
> > think work is the main thing that keeps me going. I do have a Mercedes
but
> > its an old one I rebuilt froma junkyard.I have a house but I rebuilt it
> from
> > scrap/
> >   Anyway to be deep, there is something about our existence here much
> deeper
> > than being Asian.
> >   Its our search for the meaning of existence here, and its about our
> > wondering why we walk this way, and smiling when deep down everything
> inside
> > is beaten. Its about being proud when your very existence defines itself
> as
> > neurological signals telling you bad things about yourself because of
> > depression. Its about feeling unbeaten when evrything inside you wishes
> you
> > could lay down.
> >   And its about hope, that tomorrow this horrible fog will vanish and I
> walk
> > as other humans do. I realize I have missd much of the human
> experience--but
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RE: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Speaks directly to our declining morals.  We are IT whores now.

-Original Message-
From: RHM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 10:07 AM
To: damien; Kenny Sallee; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY


Looking for love in all the wrong places

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
damien
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 12:13 PM
To: Kenny Sallee; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY


the last time I was  here it was a Study Group not a prostitution/ dating
service.  :~)

- Original Message - 
From: Kenny Sallee   
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY

OK since there were no responses I'll pay 50 dollars for a November date and
100 dollars for October!  After the swap is complete of course.
 
Kenny

- Original Message - 
From: Kenny Sallee   
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 9:39 AM
Subject: CCIE lab date swap

I'm scheduled for Jan 13th in San Jose.  If anyone would like to swap dates
with me preferrably in October/November please email or call me.
 
Thanks
 
Kenny 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
503-205-1404
 
 

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RE: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Kenny:

I hope you can calm down a second, take a deep breath and re-read the
thread.  We were defending you.

I think you need to reconsider who you're posting to, or how you're replying
to posts on here when you are angry.

Chill the hell out and don't let this Cisco thing get to you.  It's NOT
worth it.  Now go pass your damn lab!

Signed,

A Proud IT "Man" of the Evening


-Original Message-
From: Kenny Sallee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 1:33 PM
To: RHM; Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor
Subject: Re: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY


  How in the world can this be considered "a decline in morales"?  Maybe I'm
naive but how does this have anything to do with my morales?  When you go to
the store and purchase something, what are you doing?  Wait I'll answer YOU
ARE PAYING FOR IT.  If there's an auction for something and you outbid
someone, what is that?  Wait I'll answer YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT.  As far as
I'm concerned you 2 don't have a clue.  Are you both self employed?  NO,
then by that standard you are "IT whores" also.  you are providing services
to someone else, and whether you are small minded enough to think you are
actually being paid show's your stupidity.  If making more money helps me
support my family, then I'll pay 100 bucks to get another shot at a
certification

As this list goes, if you don't like the subject line, ignore it.

Kenny

PS - I have a lab date now for Oct 2nd and 3rd...

- Original Message -
From: "RHM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Kenny Sallee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY


> Man don't you know it
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 12:43 PM
> To: RHM; damien; Kenny Sallee; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY
>
>
> Speaks directly to our declining morals.  We are IT whores now.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: RHM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 10:07 AM
> To: damien; Kenny Sallee; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY
>
>
> Looking for love in all the wrong places
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> damien
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 12:13 PM
> To: Kenny Sallee; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY
>
>
> the last time I was  here it was a Study Group not a prostitution/ dating
> service.  :~)
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Kenny Sallee <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 4:09 PM
> Subject: Re: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY
>
> OK since there were no responses I'll pay 50 dollars for a November date
and
> 100 dollars for October!  After the swap is complete of course.
>
> Kenny
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Kenny Sallee <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 9:39 AM
> Subject: CCIE lab date swap
>
> I'm scheduled for Jan 13th in San Jose.  If anyone would like to swap
dates
> with me preferrably in October/November please email or call me.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kenny
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 503-205-1404
>
>
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RE: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Oh my god, you are SOOO right!

-Original Message-
From: Bradley J. Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 2:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY


No no no, you guys have it all wrong...this isn't about money...he mentioned
a decline in Morales, and he's absolutely right - Hector Morales (star of
such comedy classics as "Oh God," "Herbie Goes Bananas," and "Three Amigos")
hasn't done *any* work since 1988's "Out of the Dark"!


- Original Message -
From: Frank Wells
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 5:12 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY


Being able to buy whatever you need is what makes America great!!


>From: "Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Kenny Sallee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, RHM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>"Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY
>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:28:36 -0700
>
>Kenny:
>
>I hope you can calm down a second, take a deep breath and re-read the
>thread.  We were defending you.
>
>I think you need to reconsider who you're posting to, or how you're
>replying
>to posts on here when you are angry.
>
>Chill the hell out and don't let this Cisco thing get to you.  It's NOT
>worth it.  Now go pass your damn lab!
>
>Signed,
>
>A Proud IT "Man" of the Evening
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Kenny Sallee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 1:33 PM
>To: RHM; Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor
>Subject: Re: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY
>
>
>   How in the world can this be considered "a decline in morales"?  Maybe
>I'm
>naive but how does this have anything to do with my morales?  When you go
>to
>the store and purchase something, what are you doing?  Wait I'll answer YOU
>ARE PAYING FOR IT.  If there's an auction for something and you outbid
>someone, what is that?  Wait I'll answer YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT.  As far as
>I'm concerned you 2 don't have a clue.  Are you both self employed?  NO,
>then by that standard you are "IT whores" also.  you are providing services
>to someone else, and whether you are small minded enough to think you are
>actually being paid show's your stupidity.  If making more money helps me
>support my family, then I'll pay 100 bucks to get another shot at a
>certification
>
>As this list goes, if you don't like the subject line, ignore it.
>
>Kenny
>
>PS - I have a lab date now for Oct 2nd and 3rd...
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "RHM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>"damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Kenny Sallee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 11:03 AM
>Subject: RE: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY
>
>
> > Man don't you know it
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 12:43 PM
> > To: RHM; damien; Kenny Sallee; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY
> >
> >
> > Speaks directly to our declining morals.  We are IT whores now.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: RHM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 10:07 AM
> > To: damien; Kenny Sallee; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY
> >
> >
> > Looking for love in all the wrong places
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > damien
> > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 12:13 PM
> > To: Kenny Sallee; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY
> >
> >
> > the last time I was  here it was a Study Group not a prostitution/
>dating
> > service.  :~)
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Kenny Sallee <mai

Online (CCO) assessment exam link

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

About a month ago, someone posted a link to some self assessment exams on
the CCO site.  Does anyone still have that link and would they be willing to
re-post it?

Thanks.

Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
Information Security Engineer
IA Systems Analyst
Sytex, Inc./ Naval Special Warfare Command

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RE: Online (CCO) assessment exam link

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Is it!  ANd thanks!

-Original Message-
From: lk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 4:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor
Subject: Re: Online (CCO) assessment exam link


http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/front.x/wwtraining/colt/coltlogin.pl


"Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor" wrote:
> 
> About a month ago, someone posted a link to some self assessment exams on
> the CCO site.  Does anyone still have that link and would they be willing
to
> re-post it?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
> Information Security Engineer
> IA Systems Analyst
> Sytex, Inc./ Naval Special Warfare Command
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ACRC v. BSCN

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

For those who had the occasion to either take (or compare) the ACRC and BSCN
exams, did you feel they were very, somewhat or not similar?  I've been
reviewing the ACRC guide to keep that info fresh, awaiting the BSCN guide,
and wonder if this is a good idea or bad.  I also wonder that, if one knows
ACRC, will one have a good foundation for the BCSN (say a good 60% to 70% of
the knowledge) or are they too dissimilar of a guide/course to carry each
other?

Any thoughts would be appreciated...even off line!


Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
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IA Systems Analyst
Sytex, Inc./ Naval Special Warfare Command

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DR/BDR in OSPF

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Question about OSPF:

Once the DR/BDR are elected and network is converged, if a change is
detected, does the router noticing the change flood the area or send this
info to the DR so it can flood the area?

Rob

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RE: Please sign me up

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

I want to know about the ones who can't UNSUBSCRIBE?  How did they get on
the list at first?

-Original Message-
From: Taylor, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 2:00 PM
To: 'Michael Linehan'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Please sign me up



You're cynical; I don't know if you're a flamer. ;-) BUT, as a fellow cynic,
I really have to agree. I mean, crap!, if you can't read and follow the
instructions to subscribe, how can you benefit from the provided
information?

-Original Message- 
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 ] 
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 1:23 PM 
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: Please sign me up 


Call me cynical, call me a flamer, call me what you will. BUT! how do people

expect to pass the CCIE lab when they can't figure out how to get on and off

of this list. 

I know, I'm an idiot for posting this. Forgive me I know not what I do. 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

> Hello, 
> 
> Please sign me up for [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I am preparing for the CCIE 
> lab that I will take in November. 
> 
> Also, I am interested im swapping my 11/5 and 11/6 CCIE R&S lab exam in 
> Raleigh with a date in late November or early to mid-December at the 
> Halifax location. 
> 
> Please let me know if anyone would like to swap. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Richard Taraian 
> 212-476-1098 
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RE: [Choices??]--Stupid Thought..NOT CISCO TOPIC

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

If you're going to slam, clean up your English.

-Original Message-
From: Manishkumar Patel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Choices??]--Stupid Thought..NOT CISCO TOPIC


Only stupid/Narrow minded can think this who has DOUBT OF SERVIVAL.
Good Luck DSilva, CRYPTO BYTE
I pray to God to help you guys.
Regards
MK
CCNA 2.0, MCSE, CNE, CNI

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> /
> I agree and disagree with you Ken.
> Yes its the choices people make, ie, high-tech careers vs driving a truck.
> However its the big money corporations that want to keep salaries down
that

> lobby to bring in H-1Bs.
> 
> HOWEVER hope is not gone.  
> 
> XEROX has said it will not and does not hire any H-1Bs.  They believe that

> American companies should be hiring, and training if necessary, Americans.
> 
> Hopefully this will spread.
> \
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting Kenneth Lorenzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > I think it's your own career choices/skills that put you where you're at
> > and
> > not because some guy from some other country took your job.
> > 
> > "Crypto Byte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > To whom it may concern [namely you]:
> > >
> > > I personally don't have anything against these people [who ever the
hell
> > > they are] other than the fact they are ruining my life and the lives
of
> > > others, destroying my family, undermining the premise and foundation
of
> > > our [and other] career field[s], effecting the economic base of our
> > > country [USA]; and, in general, starting to piss me off.
> > >
> > > Assuming you are not a H1-B, how do we stem the tide?
> > >
> > > If you are a H1-B, because you are ruining my life and the lives of
> > > others, destroying my family, undermining the premise and foundation
of
> > > our [and other] career field[s], effecting the economic base of our
> > > country [USA], please give me one non parasitic reason I should not
feel
> > > this way!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> >

> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hiring Foreign Tech Workers: In granting visas, Congress bowed to
high-tech
> > moneyHiring Foreign Tech Workers: In granting visas, Congress bowed to
> > high-tech money
> > greenspun.com : LUSENET : Grassroots Information Coordination Center
(GICC)
> > : One Thread
> >

> > 
> > 
> >   Why do we keep electing these people? They obviously no longer
represent
> > the interests of the American voter.
> >   http://www.csmonitor.com/durable/2000/09/27/text/p10s1.html
> > 
> >   Hiring Foreign Tech Workers
> > 
> >   In granting visas, Congress bowed to high-tech money
> > 
> >   The booming American high-tech industry, eager to fill jobs with
workers
> > it apparently cannot seem to find within US borders, will have its
wishes
> > granted again on Capitol Hill this week.
> > 
> >   Congress is finishing up a bill that will grant H1-B visas to some
> > 200,000
> > high-tech workers from overseas for the next three years. That's in
> > addition
> > to the existing half-million such workers already in the country.
President
> > Clinton apparently has given his support to the measure.
> > 
> >   Such generosity to one industry - albeit one driving the economy - is
> > thanks largely to its increasing political clout. The industry gives
> > campaign contributions to Democrats and Republicans in roughly equal
> > amounts. The total will exceed $22 million this year, more than double
the
> > $8.9 million of four years ago.
> > 
> >   Also, Congress seems to have given up on the idea that low-tech
American
> > workers can quickly be taught how to make computer chips, write
software,
> > and perform other high-tech tasks.
> > 
> >   There are problems here. First, the bill is typical of the piecemeal
> > approach to the larger issue of controls on immigration, both legal and
> > illegal.
> > 
> >   Second, the quick passage of an H1-B bill in a crowded congressional
> > calendar is being done without providing resources to retrain American
> > workers or to encourage and recruit students into science and
engineering.
> > 
> >   Critics were ignored in their charge that high-tech firms are not
lacking
> > for résumés, but may only be short of younger workers willing to work
for
> > less money and longer hours.
> > 
> >   Any evidence to that effect was overridden by the assumption that the
US
> > companies need more foreign, low-wage workers to remain globally
> > competitive. Congress also worried that many of the firms might just
flee
> > to
> > low-wage countries.
> > 
> >   The industry claims it needs workers from India, China, and elsewhere
who
> > now earn up to 15 times less at similar high-tech jobs in their native
> > countries. It also foresees a vacancy of 850,000 jobs in the years
ahead.
> > 
> > 
> >   Issues out

WAN Connection

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

When we talk of WAN encapsulations, are we talking just about the connection
from CPE to carrier's switch/entry point of cloud?  Which encapsulations
deal with total path, end-to-end?



Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
Information Security Engineer
IA Systems Analyst
Sytex, Inc./ Naval Special Warfare Command

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RE: CCNP CERT !!

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

With or without experience and/or lab?

With little of both or just lab - sure because I've witnessed it.
With neither - no.

-Original Message-
From: paul brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CCNP CERT !!


Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has nearly (or) completed thier CCNP.How long has 
it taken you.Do you think 6 months is achieveable. All suggestions greatly 
appreciated.

Paul

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RE: Sniffer Pro 3.5

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Uh...whereas I don't necessarily disagree 100% with your reasons, I can't
imagine why anyone would want to just throw the money out and hope what they
get in return is worth the expense.  Perhaps it's just me but before I buy
something, I at least  try to discover it's pros and cons so I can get a
little better picture BEFORE parting with the dough.  For example, before I
purchased my routers, switch and hub, I at least messed about on CCO and a
few websites.  Hell, it makes NO SENSE WHAT-SO-EVER now that I think about
it - now appears as just laziness!  Ok, so now I'm saying I agree with you
1%.

Your reasoning (and the original email's too) are sort of like the
UNSUBSCRIBE requests that the lazy fools send out ever so often.  HOW DID
THEY GET ON HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?  WHY CAN'T THE READ THE INSTRUCTIONS
INCLUDED AT THE END OF EVERY - EVERY - EMAIL?  It's all because they're
lazy.

WILL: SET

Rob

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From: Winchester, Derek S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 1:21 PM
To: 'William E Gragido'; Charles Nunie; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Sniffer Pro 3.5


This kind of comment should be kept to one's self. Charles I hope the
previous replies helped you out in your quest to knowing how to use Sniffer
Pro. 

William: I purchase tools all the time that I do not know how to use because
:

A. Might make my job a little easier
B. 80% of job consists of exploring new
options
C. If its in the budget(department) why not
expand your resources


Derek S. Winchester
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Data Communications
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Phone: 410-953-4887
Cell: 443-562-3456


-Original Message-
From: William E Gragido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 1:37 PM
To: Charles Nunie; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Sniffer Pro 3.5


I don't mean to be rude man, but why on God's green earth would you buy a
product like Sniffer Pro without the slightest friggin inclination as to
what it does?

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Charles Nunie
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 7:42 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Sniffer Pro 3.5
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I bought this Sniffer Pro 3.5 which looks great.  Can I have a
> URL where I can
> info on the best way to understand and use it?
>
> Regards,
> Dzilo
>

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RE: Certifications no good?

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

I think a lot of people downgrade their certification status because of the
"one upmanship" prevalent in this field.  For examples, read through this
list and see the "simple" questions asked that get the terse, "you're
qualified?" remarks in return.  So many people are lacking in self esteem
that when they see a question asked by someone, they'd rather tear into them
about missing something explained in chapter 2, paragraph 3, section 4 in
this book or that book.

As an example, how many times does a person upgrade the IOS in a router?  If
you do it only occasionally or worse yet, once when a new one comes out,
what's the problem with not recalling the exact procedures from memory?  Ask
that question and you're very likely to get emails back with responses of
"re-take your CCNA" or something like that.  

-Original Message-
From: Brian Lodwick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 5:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Certifications no good?


Don't read.  Probobaly a waste of time   -venting. Sorry for wasting your 
bandwidth Paul.

Controversial?~~~Probobaly.

I have seen so many messages degrading certifications and talked to so many 
people who have no respect for those who have achieved certifications. I can

almost understand where they are coming from when the person has no 
experience, but the fact still stands that this person has studied and been 
held accountable for the information.
   I believe that certifications are by no means the definitive answer to 
weather someone is good at something. the problem I have is those who 
degrade certifications.
   I believe there is a controversy over if certification is any indication 
weather you know what you are doing. I will only say this, certification 
says that one day after studying you felt you were ready to be tested on all

of the information covered in the exam objectives. It doesn't mean that you 
had heard something about that one time or another, or that you can BS about

it. It means you know it. The bad thing is that it doesn't say that you have

done it a thousand times and are experienced at doing it (except CCIE).
   I have met quite a few people who have a bunch of experience, but then 
one day something different like HSRP comes along and they don't have a 
clue. Let's say in that same instance the guy with less experience, but 
reads the books for certs starts in checking virtual IP addresses, virtal 
MAC addresses and questions vlans for load balancing. Does that make 
experience worthless?
  To truly be an ACE at this networking stuff I believe there must be a 
balance. Too much book study with out enough application is not so good.
and too much experience without enough book study is not so good. This field

is going to get more competitive like it or not and technology changes fast.
  Enough already.

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RE: Sniffer Pro 3.5

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Chris you missed this one big time.

The issue was(is) that the guy said now that he bought a product, can
someone help him.  AFTER HE BOUGHT A PRODUCT HE WANTS TO KNOW HOW TO USE IT.
Will's question was didn't he do any kind of research or testing before
buying it?  

-Original Message-
From: Chris Lemagie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 10:14 PM
To: William E Gragido; derek lewinson
Cc: cisco@groupstudy. com
Subject: RE: Sniffer Pro 3.5


Got a question for ya Will.

Have you ever had to diagnose network performance or response time
problems???  How about poor application performance on your network???

If so, what tools do you use???

I personally believe that any questions regarding the use of Network
Associates Sniffer products are valid in this or any study group pertaining
to network theory, design or certifications.  Sniffer products are some of
the most widely used and trusted network troubleshooting tools available
today.  Just ask any experienced Network/Systems Engineer.

All Cisco SE types that I work with have used these tools quite frequently.

I would strongly suggest taking a moment to think about how a study group
members question relates to networking in general before you flame them in
the future.  Remember, network theory and troubleshooting are a BIG part of
most Cisco Certification exams...

Of course, this is just my personal opinion and does not reflect the opinion
of Cisco Systems, Inc.

I would guess that I'm not alone in my opinion however.

Please feel free to e-mail or call if you have any questions...

Thanks for your valuable time...


Chris Lemagie
Systems Engineer
Cisco Systems
Seattle Commercial Region
(425) 468-0959
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 -Original Message-
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]  On Behalf Of
William E Gragido
Sent:   Friday, October 20, 2000 9:36 PM
To: derek lewinson
Cc: cisco@groupstudy. com
Subject:RE: Sniffer Pro 3.5

You really are a kick in the nads Derek aren't you?  Apparently after
receiving my private note citing my intent to drop this you felt the
incorrigable need to press on.  Well heres one for you to chew on.

R-ead the blooming archives and home page of what this list is all about,
last I checked it was Cisco, correct me if I am wrong
I-ntend to do right by all with whom you come into contact, even if at times
ones toes get stepped on.  Criticism can be a healthy thnig mate
M-aintain a sense of humor in addition to one of dignity.  At times, only
blunt answers can be giving
M-otivate those whose questions are off the cuff to search their reasoning
and in turn take the nessary steps for finding answers
E-nd.  No when to end something, this Derek will be the last time I care to
answer you publicly or privately so please feel free to do the same :-)

and before you type I would suggest unearthing what your real motivation for
doing so is, remember there are some posts that require no response.

And you can be damned sure that I meant that to be blunt!

Will Gragido CCNA,CCDA, MCP
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> derek lewinson
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 7:41 PM
> To: William E Gragido
> Cc: cisco@groupstudy. com
> Subject: RE: Sniffer Pro 3.5
>
>
> you did mean to be rude and you were rude and you were unhelpful.
> "Why on god's green earth" couldn't you have just bypassed this email,
> rather than reply with such an insensitive and unhelpful response.
> Next time,
> T-houghtful
> H-elpful
> I-nsipring
> N-ecessary
> K-ind
>
> before you type
>
> and yes, I did mean to be this blunt!
>
> Derek Lewinson, CCNA, MCSE
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> William E Gragido
> Sent: 20 October 2000 18:37
> To: Charles Nunie; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Sniffer Pro 3.5
>
>
> I don't mean to be rude man, but why on God's green earth would you buy a
> product like Sniffer Pro without the slightest friggin inclination as to
> what it does?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Charles Nunie
> > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 7:42 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Sniffer Pro 3.5
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I bought this Sniffer Pro 3.5 which looks great.  Can I have a
> > URL where I can
> > info on the best way to understand and use it?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dzilo
> >
> > 
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RE: Possible phony CCIE

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Nnanna -

You mean you didn't study that chapter while preparing for your Cisco certs?

-Original Message-
From: Nnanna Obuba [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:54 PM
To: Mark Cohen; Raul F. Fernandez; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE




Because he does not know about a bug in checkpoint he
is a phony CCIE? In case you jave forgotten, CCIE
means
certified CISCO Internetwork Expert... give the guy a
break

Nnanna

--- Mark  Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Raul-
> 
>   I brought down the local checkpoint firewall by
> pinging an large number of
> hosts simultaneously. I asked him (the bogus ccie)
> why he thought that would
> bring down the firewall? His reply? "The fact that I
> pinged more than 50
> hosts rapid fire caused the NT and Solaris servers
> on the LAN to start
> flooding the wire with excessive SMB traffic, and
> since the firewall saw
> that much SMB traffic it thought I was an intruder
> and shut down the
> interface I was attached to." Real reason: The old
> Firewall one software had
> a bug that misallocated memory for packet queues on
> internal interfaces. My
> excessive pinging caused the queue to overflow and
> the software itself
> crashed. An update fixed the problem. At least that
> was what the data center
> manager told me.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Raul F. Fernandez
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM
> To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco
> Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE
> 
> 
> Dear folks,
> 
> I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have
> been possible that the
> person at this site just did not pay enough
> attention to the question posed
> or that he may not known the answer. I do not know
> thew nature of the
> question. Perhaps Mark could be kind  enough to let
> us know what the
> question was or were. Now depending on the nature
> and difficulty of the
> question it may justify his not being able to answer
> it. If he is lying he
> should be disciplined because he lied and because he
> has taken for granted
> all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting
> a CCIE. I think too
> many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all
> the real hard work that
> goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the
> answer to a perplexing
> question he should at least be able to outline a
> troubleshooting plan to
> find it.
> 
> Raul
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Cisco
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE
> 
> 
> >Just because a guy can config a router it does not
> make him a god. Lets
> face
> >it guys, there is nobody out there that knows
> everything about everything,
> >and if there is someone that thinks they do, I
> guarantee there is someone
> >else out there that knows more than they do.
> Obviously if this guy is lying
> >about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after
> reported it is up to Cisco
> to
> >deal with as they see fit.
> >
> >.02
> >
> >Tim
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Sam LI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Mark Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM
> >Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE
> >
> >
> >Well, even some real one behave like this, i come
> across a few in the the
> >past
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: Mark Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM
> >Subject: Possible phony CCIE
> >
> >
> >> Greetings-
> >>
> >>
> >> I recently worked on a project with a fellow who
> claimed to be a CCIE. He
> >> even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it.
> At least I think it is
> the
> >> CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with
> laurels and has the
> words
> >> Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it
> as well. After asking
> >this
> >> person a few questions, I became suspicious of
> his credentials due to his
> >> apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals.
> (I never asked for his
> >CCIE
> >> number because I attempted verification only
> after I left the account). I
> >> faxed a copy of the business card he gave me
> (homemade BTW) to someone in
> >> the CCIE program at Cisco.  She told me the card
> is bogus and that she
> >would
> >> send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was
> three months ago and this
> >> person is STILL working on site there. What do
> you people think I should
> >do
> >> now? Send e-mail to the persons that are
> contracting him there? He is
> >> charging a very high bill rate. The people he is
> working don't have
> enough
> >> knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I
> let this go? Isn't part of
> >my
> >> cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I
> feel that Cisco isn't
> >doing
> >> anything to protect us here.
> >>
> >> Mark Cohen
> >> CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
> >>

RE: Possible phony CCIE

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

CCO said 64...an unverified CCIE here said 65

-Original Message-
From: Elaine Poulsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:09 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE


I dunno.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> How many useless replies do we need on this topic ?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Donald B Johnson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:21 PM
> To: Mark Cohen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE
>
> Maybe cisco checked this out and found out that he /she is a ccie.
> - Original Message -
> From: Mark Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:55 AM
> Subject: Possible phony CCIE
>
> > Greetings-
> >
> >
> > I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE.
He
> > even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is
the
> > CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the
words
> > Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking
> this
> > person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to
his
> > apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his
> CCIE
> > number because I attempted verification only after I left the account).
I
> > faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone
in
> > the CCIE program at Cisco.  She told me the card is bogus and that she
> would
> > send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this
> > person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should
> do
> > now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is
> > charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have
enough
> > knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part
of
> my
> > cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't
> doing
> > anything to protect us here.
> >
> > Mark Cohen
> > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
> >
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RE: Total number of CCNP's worldwide?

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

These are from that phony CCIE I think.

-Original Message-
From: Hubert Pun [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 11:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Total number of CCNP's worldwide?


>

How accurate is the informaiton?  What is the source of these info?


>
> > Check this out
> >
> > BREAKDOWN BY THEATRE- Through July 2000
> > > US/CAN EMEA Asia/Pac Americas Japan Total per Cert
> > >   CCNA 51509 14209 15166 1040 8153 90077
> > >   CCNP 4131 1954 1076 95 249 7505
> > >   CCDA 7732 3823 1622 408 445 14030
> > >   CCDP 1315 786 363 43 97 2604
> > >   CCNA-WAN 387 112 50 29 16 594
> > >   CCNP-WAN 36 21 8 9 2 76
> > >   CCDP-WAN 10 9 2 2 0 23
> > >   Total 65120 20914 18287 1626 8962 114,909
> > >   Voice 281 137 97 13 30 558
> > >   LAN ATM 118 51 70 5 1 245
> > >   Security 156 136 41 5 11 349
> > >   Total 555 324 208 23 42 1152
> >


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NT Authen through Pix

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

> I'm having a problem with - I think - getting NT encrypted data back
> through my firewall.  Some users on my end are trying to contact an
> encrypted site (https) that has already given them username/password.  The
> dialog box appears but we can't get any further (after entering auth
> info).  Is there a port to open on the fwall that would allow the return
> packets (the d/e is using NT Authentication)?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
> Information Security Engineer
> IA Systems Analyst
> Sytex, Inc./ Naval Special Warfare Command
> 

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RE: Youngest CCNP

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

My dog doesn't care how young (or old) I am - just as long as I buy her the
expensive canned food.  And she nags me if I don't study.

-Original Message-
From: Stull, Cory [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 7:50 AM
To: 'Donald B Johnson Jr'
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Youngest CCNP


I'm 6   according to my wife.

-Original Message-
From: Donald B Johnson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 11:57 AM
To: Peter I. Slow; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Youngest CCNP


I'm 38
Duck
- Original Message -
From: Peter I. Slow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 7:18 PM
Subject: Youngest CCNP


> Does anyone have any idea about the age of the youngest CCNP? I was just
wondering
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RE: isbn#'s

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

I keep my personal list at two places: amazon.com and fatbrain.com (now
actually the same place).

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 12:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: isbn#'s


What are the isbn number's for all bscn, bcmsn, bcran and the cid test from 
cisco press please?  i am having trouble locating these.

thanks, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: Labs for BCMSN (CCNP)

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

I heard there is also a new specialization coming up called "CCIE -
Certification Above All Else".  It is for those who only want the letters.

-Original Message-
From: Daniel Cotts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 2:12 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Labs for BCMSN (CCNP)


The book follows the course. In it, step by step, you build a "switch
block". I cannot comment on the test. Labs are available from
www.mentorlabs.com.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 3:18 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Labs for BCMSN (CCNP)
> 
> 
> Hello again.
> 
> Does anyone know where I could find some lab scenarios for BCMSN.  I
> have a 5505 Catalyst Switch that I can fool around on and I 
> have cleared
> the config, upgraded the IOS, messed around with VLANs and basic
> configuration, and that is about it.  Does anyone know of a 
> website or a
> book that has basic lab scenarios in it to help me prepare 
> for BCMSN...and
> the rest of the CCNP tests for that mater?
> 
> Also, I am reading the Cisco Press book for BCMSN.  The book seems to
> cover design more than configuring.  What does the test focus more on,
> design or configuration?
> 
> Thanks!
> ~j
> 

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ACL Deny Statement & Wildcard

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

I need to deny 2 consecutive network ranges.  I'd like to combine these into
one statement.  Here's my example, am I correct?

Example IPs:  100.16.0.0 and 100.17.0.0

I want to block on the .16 & .17 space:

access-list 103 deny ip 100.16.0.0 0.238.255.255 any


Thanks,


Rob Montgomery

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RE: ACL Deny Statement & Wildcard

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Thanks everyone for the answers.  They do help.  I need practice - I hate
having to play with ACLs only sporadically.

-Original Message-
From: Michael Fountain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 11:17 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ACL Deny Statement & Wildcard


use this -
access-list 103 deny ip 100.16.0.0 0.1.255.255

An easy way to look at it is that if your address ranges are consecutive 
then the .16 above is the starting address and .1 is the number of networks.

  So it blocks 16-17.

Or look at bits -

.16 = 0001
.17 = 00010001

in the mask 0 = must match, 1 = don't care, so use
  0001

The .238 mask you put below would look like this -
  11101110

So it would allow the following networks
  0001
  00010010
  00010100
  00010110
  00011000
  00011010
  00011100
  0000
  0011
  00110010
  00110100
  00110110
  00111000
  00111010
  0000
  0010  and so on.

The only rule would be that the 5th bit had to be a 1 and the 1st bit had to

be a 0 (right to left)

hope that helps.

Mike



>
>I need to deny 2 consecutive network ranges.  I'd like to combine these 
>into
>one statement.  Here's my example, am I correct?
>
>Example IPs:  100.16.0.0 and 100.17.0.0
>
>I want to block on the .16 & .17 space:
>
>access-list 103 deny ip 100.16.0.0 0.238.255.255 any
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Rob Montgomery

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RE: ACL Deny Statement & Wildcard

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

;-)

Don't worry about how I got it - it wasn't pretty. OR right.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 10:46 AM
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Subject: Re: ACL Deny Statement & Wildcard


I'd say summarisation of these two addresses with wildcard is:

100.16.0.0  0.1.255.255

I've been trying to backward engineer the 238 you've got, but not too sure
where it came from.
Normal mask would be 255.254.0.0 so wildcard should be inverse (take all
octets from 255)
Been a long day. I'll very possibly realise I've messed up as soon as I
press send, but looks O.K.

Regards,

Gareth

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> one statement.  Here's my example, am I correct?
>
> Example IPs:  100.16.0.0 and 100.17.0.0
>
> I want to block on the .16 & .17 space:
>
> access-list 103 deny ip 100.16.0.0 0.238.255.255 any
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Rob Montgomery
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RE: Closest to the real one...

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

PAPER CERT PAPER CERT until it's you taking the exam.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 8:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Closest to the real one...


Paper Cert, Paper Cert! 

Patrick Bass wrote: 


Why don't you just learn the material instead of memorzing a practice test? 

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getting 100% score for my BSCN test. Yesterday I made the decision of taken
the CISCO online test and what a disappoint I FAILED the test. My question
is which test is the closest one to the real test..What I am doing wrong
here I though that when you getting 100% in all 4 test from BOSON  I was
ready to take the real one..Juan 

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Firewall Help (PIX)

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Hello all - On the PIX ...

What the 'heck' does the fixup command do?  I ask this after reading the
guide and parsing CCO.

I need to set up https/ssl on specific ports (a client wants to allow users
to use https through the specific holes) and thought I had to "fixup" the
proto to listen to the specific ports I want.  Of course, the Pix doesn't
provide these literal names (in config), so would I just use stat/cond
commands?  Which leads me to wonder just what fixup does.

Thanks!

Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP (Paper Cert or not...I have them)
Information Security Engineer
IA Systems Analyst
Sytex, Inc./ Naval Special Warfare Command

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RE: Passed the written... again

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Damn!?!?!?  Are you kidding?  I didn't want to have to really learn this
stuff.

;-)

-Original Message-
From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 10:43 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Passed the written... again


Well said, Chuck. Cisco doesn't want certified people who can just plug 
routers together. They expect you to understand protocol behavior, not just 
configuration. They expect analysis skills, not just memorization, since 
that is what you will need in the "real world."

Some of the CID questions were purposely written to make you take a second 
look. You won't be able to select the right answer by simply applying basic 
knowledge. You will need to start by thinking about the basics, and then go 
beyond that to think about application of the basic behavior, exceptions to 
the basic behavior, elaborations of the basic behavior, etc. This is 
actually an improved test-question writing method, called the two-step 
question by some people.

If you take your time, you can generally get into the mind of the 
test-writer and figure out what they're getting at.

On the other hand, I have seen some test questions (especially sample test 
questions) that are incomprehensible no matter how much head-scratching you 
do, (especially the COLT tests which are quite badly written, at least the 
ones I tried). But I think the actual tests are better than the sample
tests.

Priscilla


At 07:35 AM 11/16/00, Chuck Larrieu wrote:
>In the spirit of open debate, and just to be contrary, may I hold out an
>alternative viewpoint.
>
>We have all had our fun with test questions. Just recently we had an
>analysis of an OSPF related question, a very interesting thread, and one
>well worth checking out in the archives if you missed it.
>
>What can be interpreted as ambiguous and poor and obscure to a rank amateur
>may be crystal clear to an experienced professional. Being a rank amateur,
I
>can't come up with a good example. But over the course of time there have
>been a number of these discussions here. I read through these kinds of
>threads religiously, and in the end I learn two things - thought process,
>and protocol behaviour.
>
>Over time I have come to realize that Cisco isn't interested in turning out
>certified individuals who can plug a few routers together and get it to
>work. Cisco is interested in turning out certified individuals who
>thoroughly understand protocol behaviour, and thus can add value in any
>situation where they must  do complex analysis. Protocol behaviour includes
>routing protocols, redistribution among protocols, behaviour at each so
>called OSI layer, protocol transmission responsibility, and so on.
>
>Yes, X.25 is pretty much gone from the U.S Landscape, but worldwide it is
>still alive and well. Yes there are new technologies such as cable modem
and
>DSL, but the fact is that without a foundation in protocol behaviour over
>other WAN technologies, how can one understand the issues involved with
>newer technologies, which in general build upon these earlier ones.
>
>Just being contrary.
>
>Chuck
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Carl
>Mirsky
>Sent:   Thursday, November 16, 2000 6:33 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject:RE: Passed the written... again
>
>I just took (and passed)the CID (640-025) for my CCDP.  That exam sucked
>eggs as well.  I just saw this morning that there is a beta for the NEW CID
>exam.  Good thing.  The current one expects you to know not only outdated
>material, but also the questions were horrible in my opinion.  I have taken
>many exams and this one was by far the worst.  Be prepared for ambiguous
>questions, and even more ambiguous answers.  I am sure that some of the
>questions had no correct answer.  I think the guy who designed this exam,
>also designed the Fl. election ballot.  Anyway, I used the SYBEX book,
which
>covered the material very well.  In fact, the authors pointed out very
>clearly that the information is outdated, and, that there is the correct
>answer, and the Cisco answer.  I also used Top Down by Pricillia.  I would
>like to again thank the professionals that encompass this list, and
>especially Paul for maintaining the best damn Cisco site in the Free (and
>not so free) World.  Now it's time for some R&R, and then it's off the MCNS
>before the new requirements come out on Jan. 1.  My goal for the next 12
>months is as follows: MCNS, DLSW, CATM, CVoice, CCIE Written, and then
>hopefully the lab by 12/01.
>
>Respectfully,
>Carl Mirsky
>CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, SCSA
>" Integrity Can Be Communicated "
>
>
>
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>
>
>Hi, all
>
>I took and passed the CCIE written exam again yesterday.  I found out last
>week 

RE: what is the purpose of FECN?

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Isn't it that " the path the packet IS GOING TO TAKE to get to the
destination is experiencing congestion?"

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The "F" in FECN means forward, so I choose "a."

The packet arrives at the dest, notifying the dest that it experienced
congestion along the way, so that rules out "b." Which is actually the
correct answer if the question were "What is the purpose of BECN"

"c." is not a function of FECN nor BECN.

Sure wish "the router" was defined ;-) but this does keep it realistic ;-)

Tim


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>
>
> what is the purpose of FECN?
> a.To tell the router that a packet experienced congestion
> b.To tell the router that packets it is sending to a remote site are
> experiencing  congestion
> c.To tell the router that there is bandwidth available
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RE: OT Re: Training and babies, and training babies

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Funny and do you think it's better for YOUR retirement to teach a boy to
play baseball (or any major sport) or routers?  I wonder if our traditions
are changing...

-Original Message-
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My first was a week late, the second one day early.  Anyway, my 2 1/2 year
old knows how to spot a router and a hub (well, hubs and switches are a bit
hard to tell the difference between).  He already has fun with patch cords
and such.  I just have to make sure I keep my routers up high enough so that
he's not plugging one end in an ethernet switch and the other in a serial
wic or console port.  Oh, and he also like to cause network loops with
crossover cables in my 100Base-T (only) hub that I have low enough for him
to get to (usually just powered off unless we're having a LAN party).

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> I would have made the effor to ensure that a backup was available before
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> taken the class (you gotta work when you have mouths to feed), but the
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>
> Now that my kids are here, I am wondering how soon I can start them on
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> Cisco training. Not long ago, one of my girls toddled up to me carrying my
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it
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1.
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>
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RE: Sysco cert question

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Actually, I have been involved with Sysco for well over 13 years (I could
have just said 14 years to be exact but I wanted to use "well over").  I
used to receive the food stuffs (again, I wanted to use "stuffs" because I
could have just left it at food) at the local dining room where I worked.  I
remember getting stock options at 8 and now they're worth 8 1/4!  I'm going
to retire in 37 years!

Mustard MUST always go in a yellow bottle but you should never re-screw the
lid on...that way, if the tip gets clogged (and invariably it will), it
helps the customer using the bottle get the right amount of mustard
required.

-Original Message-
From: Drew Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 8:01 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Solt, Jasper (spawar)'
Subject: Sysco cert question


I have been studying hard for the Sysco Certified Condiment Engineer 2.0
Exam.

Does anybody know how many ounces of ketchup are in one packet?  How many
mustard packets will be distibuted on an hourly basis?

Does mustard always have to go into the yellow squeeze bottle?



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RE: Sysco cert question

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

NO matter how many times I heard NOT to hit the bottom of the ketchup bottle
...It took me a long time to learn AND messed up pants at the Red Robin.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:46 AM
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I am currently in the process of studying for it. Some much less motivated
colleagues say "Certification is worthless. What really matters is if you
know how to do your job" or "I don't have time to study". 

I am pursuing this as it will lend further credibility to my resume and
compliment (or condiment) my other certs, such as SCFA (Sabrett Certified
Frankfurter Associate), TCFFT (Thin Cut French Fry Techician)and the lesser
known NCS (Nathan Certified Specialist). 

Yes, you can self study, or if you really want to pay someone else, you can
go to an acredited school such as DeepFry Technical Institute.

For the lab, keep in mind that they will try to stop you up. They do things
such as clogging the mustard containers. Many people deploy similiar
techniques, such as those to unclog the Elmer's Glue bottle to get around
this one.

As Shawn mentioned, the 2.0 exam does have an emphasis on Mayonaise
Deployment. Keep in mind that mayonaise fails rather rapidly when mixed with
other condiments, possibly leading to the poisoning of the judges, which
will lead to a definite failure. 

Also, there arae time limits on the ketchup deployment section of the exam.
I heard of several mechanisms that allow for more rapid deployment, such as
leaving the bottle turned over for several minutes prior to use and I have
also heard of people putting sharp objects such as knifes in the bottle to
help the flow. DO NOT GET THE KNIFE STUCK IN THE BOTLE, AS THIS WILL ASSURE
FAILURE!!!
DO NOT HIT THE BOTTOM OF THE BOTTLE, AS THIS MAY CAUSE THE KETCHUP TO FLY
UNCONTROLLABLY, POSSIBLY PELTING A JUDGE OR TWO.

Tom Kager

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RE: Sysco cert question

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Does anyone have the objectives?

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Laganiere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 10:58 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Sysco cert question


I'm surprise no one has asked:

How many questions on the test
What's the minimum number needed to pass
can you go back and reexamine questions
and of course - where's the cramsession with all the answers spelled out in
detail so I don't ever have to touch the equipment to get the certification
and lie to an employer that I've mastered the subject.



-Original Message-
From: Ryan Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 10:41 AM
To: Stephen Skinner; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Sysco cert question


ok I was thinking of doing the exam but can anyone recommend the best books
or willing to give up the course material in exchange for a no name brand
ketchup bottle? Has anyone used the Boson practice tests?

also my boss pays me squat and need to know how much you condiment engineers
make blah blah blah ;)

do you thinking I can skip the SCCA and go straight for the SCCE, I only
have one month experience but I figure if I study enough ketchup packet
information I might be able to pass and get me a big 100k job with no
experience.

I need this information tomorrow, cuz I have an exam at the end of the week

heheheheh this is fun




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Stephen Skinner
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 9:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Sysco cert question


AHH the test is very difficult so be carefull... i kept spilling the
ketchup.
Beware of trick questions (they threw in one or two about "catsup" which
being english i totally slipped up on!).
shame about the certificate the send you.its goes bad in the post and
the post office confisgate it?something about damaging the natural
enviroment!!!what a cheek.

steve


>From: "Drew Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Drew Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: "'Solt, Jasper \(spawar\)'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Sysco cert question
>Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:00:58 -0400
>
>I have been studying hard for the Sysco Certified Condiment Engineer 2.0
>Exam.
>
>Does anybody know how many ounces of ketchup are in one packet?  How many
>mustard packets will be distibuted on an hourly basis?
>
>Does mustard always have to go into the yellow squeeze bottle?
>
>
>
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RE: Sysco cert question

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

I NEED OBJECTIVES PEOPLE!  I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO READ ALL OF THOSE
PACKETS ON THE RECOMMENDED LIST LET ALONE PRACTICE ON A TABLE WITHOUT
KNOWING SPECIFICALLY WHAT TO PRACTICE!  DAMN THESE SYSCO PEOPLE WHO DON'T
PUT OUT SPECIFIC OBJECTIVES.

Just my .02

-Original Message-
From: Rodney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 1:52 PM
To: Ryan Ward; Stephen Skinner; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: Sysco cert question


Hey Brad, I know you're the one to come to about equipment, what do you have
available for this lab?

Rodney

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ryan
Ward
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 1:41 PM
To: Stephen Skinner; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Sysco cert question

ok I was thinking of doing the exam but can anyone recommend the best books
or willing to give up the course material in exchange for a no name brand
ketchup bottle? Has anyone used the Boson practice tests?

also my boss pays me squat and need to know how much you condiment engineers
make blah blah blah ;)

do you thinking I can skip the SCCA and go straight for the SCCE, I only
have one month experience but I figure if I study enough ketchup packet
information I might be able to pass and get me a big 100k job with no
experience.

I need this information tomorrow, cuz I have an exam at the end of the week

heheheheh this is fun




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Stephen Skinner
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 9:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Sysco cert question


AHH the test is very difficult so be carefull... i kept spilling the
ketchup.
Beware of trick questions (they threw in one or two about "catsup" which
being english i totally slipped up on!).
shame about the certificate the send you.its goes bad in the post and
the post office confisgate it?something about damaging the natural
enviroment!!!what a cheek.

steve


>From: "Drew Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Drew Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: "'Solt, Jasper \(spawar\)'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Sysco cert question
>Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:00:58 -0400
>
>I have been studying hard for the Sysco Certified Condiment Engineer 2.0
>Exam.
>
>Does anybody know how many ounces of ketchup are in one packet?  How many
>mustard packets will be distibuted on an hourly basis?
>
>Does mustard always have to go into the yellow squeeze bottle?
>
>
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FATBRAIN

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Anyone have a code?

Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
IA Systems Analyst
Sytex, Inc./ Naval Special Warfare Command

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RE: where do live

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There is a higher number of suicides in Seattle because of the overcast
weather.  But it's only overcast when it's rainy JUST LIKE IT IS
EVERYWHERE ELSE



-Original Message-
From: Kent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 7:32 AM
To: William E Gragido; Jean Stockton; Billy Monroe; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: where do live


Were those local Seattle guys or they just wanted to
find a nice and rainy place to die? 
That is a question.

Kent
--- William E Gragido <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Highest documented rate of suicide in Seattle.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Jean Stockton
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:57 PM
> > To: Billy Monroe; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: where do live
> >
> >
> > I have been told that Seattle, WA is very
> beautiful, but it rains all the
> > time.  A friend of mine said Seattle can be
> depressing - even though it is
> > beautiful - because it rains so much.  Seattle
> folks, is this true?
> >
> > mjs
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > Billy Monroe
> > > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 6:45 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: where do live
> > >
> > >
> > > How about Seattle WA ?
> > >
> > > "Jim Bond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >
>
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I'm so tired of working 60-70 hours a week;
> I'm so
> > > > tried of paying $3,500 mortgage per month for
> a 1,300
> > > > sqf home; I'm so tired of driving on that
> crowed
> > > > highway (if you consider 5MPH is high). I'm
> thinking
> > > > moving out of silicon valley bay area.
> > > >
> > > > Where, in US, can I find a place that is not
> cold in
> > > > winter, not hot in summer, no too much snow,
> no too
> > > > much rain, IT job market not too bad? I know
> it's
> > > > difficult to find such a place, but close?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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RE: Helloo

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You don't know what you've got yourself into!

-Original Message-
From: Israr Akram [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 1:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Helloo


Hi guys/girls,  I have just joined the Groupstudy.Cisco newsgroup. I am
working towards t CCNA exam. From what I have seen from the different
posting, I think I have come to the right place for knowledge and
understanding of cisco at broad level.

I believe I learn best from hand on experience, There for I would appreciate
if any one can recommend any URL's or books with virtual labs. Possibly a
author who is able to explain issue from intermediate to advance level
working upwards.

Thanks.


""_ tlgerber"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Just a note to thank you for all your help.  The test was harder than I
> expected.  78 questions/90 minutes.  I got a 841/1000. I used the sybex
and
> cisco practice test to help prepare but found them not to helpful on the
> real test.  Most questions are multiple answer form and all expect you to
> understand the concepts of what the questions are asking.
>
> Now I am onto the CCNP any suggestions on books to use to study would be
> most appreciated.
>
> Tom Gerber, CCNA (I can finally add thit after my name) :-)
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RE: off subject

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Enjoy Chicago...

next

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:39 PM
To: Lawrence Dwyer; Agung Elvin (KPC); [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: off subject


Hello group,
I have been asking arround and it seems to me that UNIX admins are way more
desirable than router admins. I guess from what I have been hearing is that
if you are solid in unix you are pretty much set for life.  This is just
what I hear in the chicago area. Mainly HP-UX

Matt


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RE: (no subject)

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yes

-Original Message-
From: MANOJ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 4:28 AM
To: Cisco
Subject: (no subject)


Hi everybody,

Can anyone recomend some good books to prepare for BCSN, BCMSN, BCRAN
and Support 2.0. Thanks in advance.

Manoj.

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RE: (no subject)

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I'd have no problem providing info IF the same questions weren't asked over
and over again because someone didn't take the time to read the very website
they used to sign up for the list.
I only post a question after I have visited CCO (or in this case, the darn
online bookstores) and not been able to find an answer.  If you can't read
the posts, or do a little research on your own before posting, especially
for a presumably CCNA (the guy's asking for CCNP books), then join the darn
Microsoft list where they hand feed you everything.

-Original Message-
From: James Dezern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 9:44 AM
To: Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor; Cisco
Subject: Re: (no subject)


Why don't you stop wasting bandwidth on answers like you've been providing.
If your going to reply to it at least add some information that the person
was looking for.  I'm sure others would agree they don't want to continue to
sort through mails that just say "yes".  If your going to contribute then at
least make it meaningful.  Thanks in advance...




- Original Message -
From: Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Cisco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: (no subject)


> yes
>
> -Original Message-
> From: MANOJ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 4:28 AM
> To: Cisco
> Subject: (no subject)
>
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> Can anyone recomend some good books to prepare for BCSN, BCMSN, BCRAN
> and Support 2.0. Thanks in advance.
>
> Manoj.
>
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CBT Training Options (CCNP)

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I've been battling it out with a local company here in San Diego to begin
night classes geared towards CCNP.  But thus far they're sticking to their
day only schedule.  They've instituted that e-learning program but still, if
you can't get the time off to go to their site, you also can't get the time
to sit at work and do it.

This leads me to ask if anyone knows about good CBT training that covers the
tests for CCNP?

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RE: where do live

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Those of us in heaven (San Diego) wish you people would stop building it up!
We already have high home prices, horrible traffic and tourists falling off
the cliffs weekly (do they ever get it?)...  Your careless emails speaking
the praises of San Diego are not helping with our "It's Better in
Albuquerque!  No, really, it is!" anti-growth campaign.

Now shush!

-Original Message-
From: Frank Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 8:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: where do live


Dude, you have obviously never been to Albuquerque. That is probably the 
most boring dust bowl I have ever visited.

San Diego is where you wanna live bro.  Got it all, cool night life, beach 
community, close proximity to Mexico and Los Angeles, perfect weather and 
California girls!



>From: "Ohsfeldt, Miles E." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Ohsfeldt, Miles E." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: where do live
>Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:56:18 -0400
>
>Jim,
>
>I feel I'm letting the cat out of the bag here, but you might want to see 
>if
>you can get an interview or two in Albuquerque, NM.  I don't live there 
>now,
>
>but would jump at the chance.  That city has been rated very highly as "one
>of the
>best places to live" in the U.S. each year for the last decade.
>My experiences with Albuquerque are that it's nestled in beautiful
>mountains, doesn't
>get huge amounts of rain (Seattle), doesn't get bunches of feet of snow
>(Denver), doesn't
>have traffic and pollution problems (L.A.), is not steamy hot all summer
>long,
>(Houston/Phoenix), and is one of the cleanest cities in North America. It's
>not so big that
>your commute is very long, and cost of living is very reasonable (although
>salaries
>will reflect the cost of living).
>
>Good luck searching!
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Jim Bond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 10:03 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: where do live
>
>
>Hello,
>
>I'm so tired of working 60-70 hours a week; I'm so
>tried of paying $3,500 mortgage per month for a 1,300
>sqf home; I'm so tired of driving on that crowed
>highway (if you consider 5MPH is high). I'm thinking
>moving out of silicon valley bay area.
>
>Where, in US, can I find a place that is not cold in
>winter, not hot in summer, no too much snow, no too
>much rain, IT job market not too bad? I know it's
>difficult to find such a place, but close?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>
>Jim
>
>
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RE: Great online bookstore

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MY bookstore can beat up your bookstore!

;=)

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 9:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Great online bookstore


www.bestbookbuys.com finds the best price on the book at about 30 online
bookstores.

>>> Marshal Schoener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/04 8:26 AM >>>
As far as I can tell, the best online place to get technical books is
www.bookpool.com 

Everything is so much cheaper than Amazon and other online stores :-)

The MCRAN book is $42 on bookpool, compared to $60 on Amazon!!!
Just some info :-)

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WICs

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Is installing a WIC and/or memory in routers typically a simple job or a
tedious, drawn-out process?  I guess I'm looking for the horror stories...

Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
IA Systems Analyst
Sytex, Inc./ Naval Special Warfare Command

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RE: Thanks to Group Members

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Congratulations Maria!

You seem like a good hearted person and I hope you well!

Rob

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Thanks to Group Members


Hello Group,

I have finished CCNP. It's all because of support and encouragement I got 
from many members of Groupstudy. I am very thankful to you guys.  I am up to

CCIE Written now, and hopefully will be going after a full- time cisco job, 
after I am done with written. This world looks a lot bright to me now. I 
hope that I keep doing well with all good luck wishes I got, and people like

me (who are sturggling hard to get a good life) get successful one day.

Thanks again!  :>

Maria

p.s. This mail is in reference to the mail that I sent way back with the 
subject "Cisco for Women?"

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RE: Thanks to Group Members

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There has to be a glitch in your interviewing.  A discounted (because of
"lack" of experience) CCIE (written) being passed up?

-Original Message-
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To: cisco GroupStudy
Subject: Thanks to Group Members



Congrats.

Hard efforts should pay back now.  But the world is not that way.  I had
finished CCNP in March and have also finished CCIE written, but unable to
find an entry level job.  That is how the certified people without exp are
treated in Toronto (Canada).  My best advise would be try to gain hands-on
exp as much possible.

All the best.


RamanG

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RE: books on security specialization

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And unfortunately, that is that!  I wonder why there isn't a more technical
manual?

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Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 8:11 AM
To: Alfred Saulo; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: books on security specialization


Designing Network Security by Merike Kaeo Cisco Press

Cisco Access Lists Field Guide by Held and Hundley McGraw-Hill

Check out the Cisco web site for documents on Pix configuration.

Good luck!

Chuck

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Alfred Saulo
Sent:   Wednesday, August 16, 2000 7:29 AM
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Subject:books on security specialization

Just wanted to know if anyone knows any good books or study material for the
security specialization test... Thanks.
Alfred

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RE: books on security specialization

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I'd like to see a more detailed discussion on the Pix (that's what I use
now).  When I was first learning the Pix all I had was the manual and CCO
and I believe both are a little light.  I dunno...guess I'm just used to the
seemingly 4 billion books on everything else Cisco...

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 9:17 AM
To: Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor; Alfred Saulo;
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Subject: RE: books on security specialization


Probably because all the security specialization is, really,  is a bit of
Cisco's idea of security policy and then the rest is hands on work with
Cisco equipment. Oh, yeah, there is a bit on encryption and such, but
generally the exam covers policy, security threats, CBAC and other access
lists, and PIX configuration. The CCNP/Security is essentially a low level
security certification, and should in no way be confused with those guys who
make 300K doing complex security assessments and implementations for major
banks, ISP's,  and brokerages. :->

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Wednesday, August 16, 2000 9:05 AM
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Subject:RE: books on security specialization

And unfortunately, that is that!  I wonder why there isn't a more technical
manual?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 8:11 AM
To: Alfred Saulo; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: books on security specialization


Designing Network Security by Merike Kaeo Cisco Press

Cisco Access Lists Field Guide by Held and Hundley McGraw-Hill

Check out the Cisco web site for documents on Pix configuration.

Good luck!

Chuck

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Alfred Saulo
Sent:   Wednesday, August 16, 2000 7:29 AM
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Subject:books on security specialization

Just wanted to know if anyone knows any good books or study material for the
security specialization test... Thanks.
Alfred

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RE: How to pronounce? router

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AND BOB'S YOUR UNCLE

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 8:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: How to pronounce? router


I took an NT security class about four years ago and the instructor was from
London.  He mentioned that he had done some lan/wan consulting work for
Reuters.

So I guess he had worked on the roots on the rooters for Reuters

daveh

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Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 10:40 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: How to pronounce? router


I do remote network management where I work and when I have to call the
helpdesk to inform them of a problem at one of their sites, and it is in
Europe I do get to hear the term "Rooter"...always reminds me of
rota-rooter... ;)

MZ

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RE: Job Description

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And THEY wonder why we are smart*sses?

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Found this amusing description during an online job search and
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special attention to the last sentence. ;-)

===
Job Description:

The position is more than a Cisco Associate. We 
are looking for someone who has done router 
configurations for large companies. In addition 
to having a CCNA, you must have a CCIE. 
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FW: Cisco Announces Recertification Policy for Career-Certified Associates and Professionals

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What's new here?

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RE: Decreasing # of CCIE's Worldwide

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

I think it's because we're finding MCSEs are being paid more and that
originally, CCIEs were just made to generate people wanting Cisco's
certsK-I-D-D-I-N-G

It is interesting to see the decline.

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Subject: Decreasing # of CCIE's Worlwide


First time i've seen the number of CCIE's go down...

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html

Andy Lennon

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RE: Decreasing # of CCIE's Worldwide

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

If your advertising to customers that you have a CCIE on your staff you need
those 4 little letters.  But if you just want to fudge it

-Original Message-
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/
Another question is...Has an employer ever asked "is your CCIE current"?
\
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Subject: Re: Decreasing # of CCIE's Worlwide


>Well, if it costs $1,000 to take the lab again, which involves hours and
>hours of studying, and you go to a client and say, I'm CCIE  and I let
>my certifications lapse, but here's what I've been doing for the past X
>number of years
>
> Do you really need those 4 letters anymore with most companies with that
>level of experience? I mean, if it is out of date, it hasn't really been
>long enough to be REALLY out of date...
>
>*plink plink*
>
>-Chris
>
>
>"andy lennon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8p93pj$1ii$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8p93pj$1ii$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Bollocks.
>> By definition a CCIE is the best when it comes to real world experience.
>>
>>
>> "Robert Padjen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > Might it also mean that people are finding that the
>> > certification is not as important in this market and
>> > that the 'lower' level certifications, along with
>> > 'real' world experience, provide a greater benefit to
>> > corporations and providers?
>> >
>> >
>> > --- "Healis, Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > This could be due to people not passing
>> > > re-certification exams, failing to
>> > > schedule the re-cert exam in time, death, or even
>> > > worse Breaking Cisco's
>> > > NDA!!
>> > >
>> > > Jim Healis, CCDP, CCNP
>> > > Senior Network Administrator
>> > > Virata
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  -Original Message-
>> > > From: Daniel Ji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 1:47 PM
>> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > Subject: Re: Decreasing # of CCIE's Worlwide
>> > >
>> > > I guess that's good news for all of us who are
>> > > trying damn hard to be a
>> > > CCIE. After all, the less # worldwide, the more
>> > > value this cert will have.
>> > > it's all just simple "supply vs demand".
>> > >
>> > > Good luck to all!
>> > >
>> > > Daniel
>> > > Lab in Dec
>> > >
>> > > ""andy lennon"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > > 8p8ssl$rmi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8p8ssl$rmi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > > First time i've seen the number of CCIE's go
>> > > down...
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html
>> > > >
>> > > > Andy Lennon
>> > > >
>> > > > ccnp/dp/mcse
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RE: Decreasing # of CCIE's Worldwide

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lol!!!  You can't be serious.

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>
>Might it also mean that people are finding that the
>certification is not as important in this market and
>that the 'lower' level certifications, along with
>'real' world experience, provide a greater benefit to
>corporations and providers?
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RE: Retiring my number (was: Decreasing # of CCIE's Worldwide)

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I was at Cisco for an interview and the paraded me through the CiscoTown
Hall of Fame where the numbers are each framed, stuck on the way and lighted
by one single light.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 9:19 AM
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Subject: Retiring my number (was: Decreasing # of CCIE's Worlwide)


PS - in reply to Chris Hagen - the recert process involves only a written 
exam, you don't have to take the lab again... It's true about the 
discounts... there is much motivation on the part of Cisco partners to keep 
CCIE's current and on staff.

What I wanna know is, when a CCIE retires, do they retire his number too 
(like with sports heroes)???


>From: "Miller, Nathan (AZ15)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Miller, Nathan (AZ15)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Dick Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Decreasing # of CCIE's Worlwide
>Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 07:29:48 -0700
>
>I have heard that Cisco significantly discounts the proice of support
>contracts to companies with current CCIEs.  If this is true it is one 
>reason
>why keeping the cert current increases marketability.
>Nathan Miller
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Dick Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 6:21 PM
>To: Chris Hagen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Decreasing # of CCIE's Worlwide
>
>
>/
>Another question is...Has an employer ever asked "is your CCIE current"?
>\
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>Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 7:12 PM
>Subject: Re: Decreasing # of CCIE's Worlwide
>
>
> >Well, if it costs $1,000 to take the lab again, which involves hours and
> >hours of studying, and you go to a client and say, I'm CCIE  and I 
>let
> >my certifications lapse, but here's what I've been doing for the past X
> >number of years
> >
> > Do you really need those 4 letters anymore with most companies with that
> >level of experience? I mean, if it is out of date, it hasn't really been
> >long enough to be REALLY out of date...
> >
> >*plink plink*
> >
> >-Chris
> >
> >
> >"andy lennon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
>8p93pj$1ii$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8p93pj$1ii$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Bollocks.
> >> By definition a CCIE is the best when it comes to real world 
>experience.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Robert Padjen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > Might it also mean that people are finding that the
> >> > certification is not as important in this market and
> >> > that the 'lower' level certifications, along with
> >> > 'real' world experience, provide a greater benefit to
> >> > corporations and providers?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- "Healis, Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > > This could be due to people not passing
> >> > > re-certification exams, failing to
> >> > > schedule the re-cert exam in time, death, or even
> >> > > worse Breaking Cisco's
> >> > > NDA!!
> >> > >
> >> > > Jim Healis, CCDP, CCNP
> >> > > Senior Network Administrator
> >> > > Virata
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >  -Original Message-
> >> > > From: Daniel Ji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> > > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 1:47 PM
> >> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > Subject: Re: Decreasing # of CCIE's Worlwide
> >> > >
> >> > > I guess that's good news for all of us who are
> >> > > trying damn hard to be a
> >> > > CCIE. After all, the less # worldwide, the more
> >> > > value this cert will have.
> >> > > it's all just simple "supply vs demand".
> >> > >
> >> > > Good luck to all!
> >> > >
> >> > > Daniel
> >> > > Lab in Dec
> >> > >
> >> > > ""andy lennon"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > > 8p8ssl$rmi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8p8ssl$rmi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > > > First time i've seen the number of CCIE's go
> >> > > down...
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Andy Lennon
> >> > > >
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Any San Diegans?

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Any San Diegans on here...preferably studying for CCNP?

Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
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BRCAN & CIT

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

The books available now pertaining the the subject line, are they "good" for
CCNP v2?

Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
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Sytex, Inc./ Naval Special Warfare Command

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SANS Report

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Just played with those commands and yep, the work.

Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
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WildCard Masks

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

While reviewing a client's access lists, I noticed they have some entries
where there are other numbers in the wildcard mask (e.g., 180.12.0.0
0.15.255.255).  I understand you can only have 0 or 255 but am noticing
several entries like this one.  Is there something I don't know or is this
possibly a mark of a bad typist?

Thanks,

Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
IA Systems Analyst
Sytex, Inc./ Naval Special Warfare Command

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RE: WildCard Masks

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Got it Scott.  I at first thought it odd then after seeing it throughout the
list, figured it might be for a more granular approach.  

-rob

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 11:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WildCard Masks


Actually, you can have more than just the 255 or 1 in a wildcard mask.

Try to remember that the wildcard mask bits are the exact opposite of the 
subnet mask bits.

For example:  In order to block a particular subnet in an access list, 
131.111.8.0/21  for instance, would require a wildcard mask of  0.0.7.255.  
That would block out the subnet  131.111.8.0

Make sense?  Well, you can get the 7 in the wildcard mask 1 of 2 ways (that 
I know of)

First, lets type out the subnet mask to make things a little easier.  
255.255.248.0

The 3rd octect is only using 5 bits for the subnet mask (counting down from 
128 i.e. 128+64+32+16+8=248).  That leaves 3 bits in the octect; now, count 
3 from THE OPPOSITE END (i.e. 1+2+4=7) and you've got the appropriate 
wildcard mask #.

Another, possibly easier way of doing this is to take 255-248(the subnet 
mask's 3rd octect) and that will also =7.

I hope this helps

Scott
Verizon ENOC


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Reply-To: "Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor" 
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To: Cisco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: WildCard Masks
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:45:04 -0700

While reviewing a client's access lists, I noticed they have some entries
where there are other numbers in the wildcard mask (e.g., 180.12.0.0
0.15.255.255).  I understand you can only have 0 or 255 but am noticing
several entries like this one.  Is there something I don't know or is this
possibly a mark of a bad typist?

Thanks,

Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
IA Systems Analyst
Sytex, Inc./ Naval Special Warfare Command

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Permanently Closing an interface

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Is there a command that allows an administrator to erase at once all
settings (IP, access group, etc) on an interface when that interface is no
longer being used?

Thanks,  

Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
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RE: CCNP and chances of finding a job

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There are three types of IT people: those with certs and no experience;
those with both; those without certs but with experience.  Obviously those
with both will command the most responsibility and money; those with
experience/no certs will command a little less; and those with just certs
will command even less.  Are you the kind of person that believes you should
be paid well for your certifications?   Or are you a person who understands
that "everyone must pay their dues?"
 
A CCNP/no experience probably won't start at entry level but will be close.
A CCNA/no experience will be entry level.  Either way, if you apply
yourself, you'll advance quickly (more quickly if you're a CCNP first).
What it's going to boil down to is, your girlfriend is right (in my
opinion): you should start as soon as you can gaining experience.
Experience only makes the certifications easier and job prospects brighter.
Now if YOU have a problem being known as entry-level (and some people
without experience do sometimes think they should get paid as well as those
with experience), then that's a personal issue you must deal with.  And
that'll make your goals much harder to accomplish.

-Original Message-
From: ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 2:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CCNP and chances of finding a job


What are the chances of a CCNP finding a job without prior work experience
with routers and such?  I'm debating this issue with my girfriend.  She
thinks that job experience is more important, and that I should be looking
for a job to move me up.  I, on the other hand, don't think I can find much
of a job with just a CCNA and would rather get a CCNP, but I'm not quite
sure if just a CCNP by itself can land me a job. Any help would be
appreciated. 
 
-ken

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OT: SOLARIS CERT

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Off Topic...

Anyone on this list solaris certified?  I'm looking for info such as mailing
lists, recommendations, etc.

Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
IA Systems Analyst
Sytex, Inc./ Naval Special Warfare Command

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RE: Cisco and Unix

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I think this type of material should be on this group as we all need to have
many facets to our professional existence.  

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 1:22 PM
To: Billy Monroe; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cisco and Unix


well, it depends on the employers.  A lot of large enterprise employers
won't look at linux yet because it doesn't have certain reliability
features, and it lacks a long history in the market to prove itself. 
But, that's changing quickly because of all the press linux has received
in the past several years including large amounts of support from
Netscape, Sun, HP, IBM, and many others.  And in my opinion, after doing
unix admin for several years, I had no problem moving into
solaris/sunos/irix/hp/bsd administration after knowing linux really
well.  It does, after all, include a mix of features from BSD/SYSv-ish
tools.  Just read the red unix admin bible by Evi Nemeth and friends and
you'll get a good feel for the differences.  

Sorry for the topic digression, this is a cisco only list after all. 
But, it's been noted in several messages lately that obviously a good
working knowledge of an operating system is necessary to really function
well in a high level position.  It is a piece of the picture, and
knowing capabilities of various operating systems is quite important. 
It's like knowing all seven layers of OSI.  How many CCNP/CCIE's out
there understand the frame format's for DS-1, or SONET, or what B8ZS and
ESF actually do?  The OS implements all seven layers.  Most network
engineers work primarily with layers 2-4.  If you understand the
protocols outside these layers well it makes troubleshooting and
understanding networks magnitudes easier.

Back to your original question.  Go get a free ($20 for the media) copy
of solaris x86 from sun's web site, play around, and then focus on what
you can do in linux (like sendmail, INN, BIND, etc) in your resume.  And
by the way, if I remember correctly from a recent linux journal article,
Cisco's entire printing system is run off linux servers, with slightly
modified code.


David



Billy Monroe wrote:
> 
> I think a good background in Unix would help to get a position at Cisco.
> Most of their testing labs are using Unix.
> What I have noticed is that most employers I talk requiring Unix
experience
> don't give too much attention for Linux knowledge.
> I think it is not what they want to hear (yet)...
> 
> ""AC Schneider"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> 8gfpoa$5u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gfpoa$5u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > As a newbie to these parts, I've recently decided to start my studies
for
> > the CCNA 2.0.  Out of curiosity, I went to the Cisco web site and
noticed
> > many positions I looked at had Unix as a requirement.  So my question,
in
> > general is it good to have a Unix back ground to complement Cisco
> > certification?  If so, would Linux do as a substitute?
> >
> > Your input is appreciated,
> > -ACS

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RE: whats a nibble?

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A nibble is when you're skinny dipping and a fish bites on your ...er,
nevermind.

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What exactly is nibble?

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RE: Cisco Certified Salaries

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Yeah, only common sense tells you to validate salary against area.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 8:44 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Cisco Certified Salaries


  I hate to get involved in this but I have seen some responses that were 
not well thought out. I worked with a guy who had much experience here in 
the DC/Metro area with routing and switching in a large government agency. 
He moved out to the Denver area and the best offer he could get was $29k 
with HP. He returned to the DC/Metro area to get $100k+. "I agree anyone 
making less than 60k in this field is underpaid no matter where you live" 
is not accurate at all. The market you live in will determine what you get 
paid. Some areas have a small IT market with many people around with certs 
and experience that will dictate lower pay. You make $60k in some areas and 
you are rich. Go to NY city and you will be living in the streets. $27k 
maybe good money in you area. All I can say is to look around and see if 
you can make more.

Duncan



At 07:49 AM 6/5/00 -0700, James Gan wrote:
>Well, after reading all the posts regarding this
>subject I'm kinda in doubt to as what my true value
>is. what do you guys (recruiters or fellow
>professionals) think, I've 3 years in this field, with
>a B.A, CCNP, CCNA, MCSE, Network+. I'm getting
>27K/yr.. Am I considered pathetic ??
>
>*
>I agree anyone making less than 60k in this field is
>underpaid no matter
>where you live. Starting salary is 60k even with a
>CCNA. At least it was 3
>years ago when I left System Admin and went to Wan
>development.
>
>Derek S. Winchester
>Sr. Wan Engineer
>Data Communications Department
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Phone: 410-953-4887
>Cell: 443-562-3456
>
>
>-Original Message-
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>Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 4:36 PM
>To: Chad A. Simmons, MCSE; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Cisco Certified Salaries
>
>
>$29k is very low in the IT industry.
>
>Give yourself 2 more yrs of experience and you should
>be making 40-50k
>
>It is redundant to put MCP and MCSE next to each
>other.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Chad A. Simmons, MCSE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 2:00 PM
>Subject: Cisco Certified Salaries
>
>
> > I am a consultant for a small consulting firm. I
>have about 3 months of
> > (real experience. I used to do small consulting jobs
>on the side)
> > experience. I have earned my MCP, MCSE, CCNA, and
>CCDA. I am currently
> > persuing my CCNP. I make only 29,000 a year plus
>overtime. This seems low
>to
> > me. I was wondering what anyone in a similar
>situation is making.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Chad,  MCP, MCSE, CCNA, CCDA
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RE: FREE CCN BOOK - YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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IF this link doesn't work, you could always go and find it yourself - it
it's that important.

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Subject: Re: FREE CCN BOOK - YES !!


How do I get the
book
!!
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Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: FREE CCN BOOK - YES !!


> same here..
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Niraj Palikhey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 1:49 AM
> Subject: Re: FREE CCN BOOK - YES !!
>
>
> > This link is not working!! I get an error msg. regarding some
LM_SESSIONS.
> > Please post the correct site.
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Apoorva S.Malavia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: "Apoorva S.Malavia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: FREE CCN BOOK -  YES !!
> > >Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 23:10:49 -0400
> > >
> > >didn't work.
> > >
> > >Larry Osei-Kwaku wrote:
> > >
> > > > OK folks this link should take you right to the forms
> > > > if you don't want to take the tour.. Please watch the
> > > > word wrap. Highlight both lines and copy and paste in
> > > > your browser.
> > > >
> > > > Larry
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
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RE: CCNP 2.0 Curriculums now available

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LQQk at this...all that pissing and moaning we did earlier for naught!  

-Original Message-
From: Igor A. Birioukov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 11:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CCNP 2.0 Curriculums now available


Hi

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/ccna_507
.pdf
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/bcmsn.pd
f
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/bcran.pd
f
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/bscn.pdf
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/cit.pdf

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WBR
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RE: Study Habits Part 2

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Lighten Up!  I'm a devout agnostic and even I wasn't offended.

-Original Message-
From: JL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 9:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Study Habits Part 2


Lest we become deluged by by prayers to the "Invisible Pink
Unicorn" or the "Multi-Tentacled Purple Squid', not to mention many other
slightly more mainstream religions, I think such chants and neditations
should be left off list. I would like to think that educated, highly
technical people would have no need for such mindless superstitions, but
alas, I am constantly reminded that while people can be VERY intelligent in
one area, they are extremely deficient in others. 
 
Can we please keep our respective religious beliefs off line and all focus
on our goal of certification?
 
thank you,
JL
 
BSOFH

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
gwakin
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Study Habits Part 2


this is strictly theological piccadillo but it's the 'Prayer of St.
Francis.'  disclaimer- Contrary to popular belief, we RCs worship neither
the saints nor the pope, so semantical inaccuracies like this tend to make
some of us a little edgy. 
Seems appropriate that we can add hard work and study to a virtuous,
principled life prayer... the only thing we can't really claim is the
Franciscan vow of 'poverty, chastity, and obedience', especially if we're
studying for a certification that will allow us to earn $120K/yearly and
above. 
  

Chuck Larrieu wrote: 


Prayer to St. Francis 

Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace. Where there is hatred, let me sow

love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt, faith; where 
there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; where there is 
sadness, joy. 


O, Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to 
console; to be understood as to understand; to be loved as to love; For it 
is in giving that we receive; it is in pardoning that we are pardoned; it is

in dying that we are born again to eternal life; it is in studying that we 
pass certification tests 


Chuck 


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RE: CCNP Study Group

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I'm studying CIT (Thomas II, et al (McGraw Hill 2000)) for v2 exam.  I'd be
interested.

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Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 7:11 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CCNP Study Group


I am curious if anyone would be interested in writing and trading questions
for the CLSC, CIT and BCRAN tests?  I am using a program called Winflash
that works like (if not better) than the Boson tests.  You can download a
demo version of the program at www.openwindow.com  If we pool our labor it
would make the process more efficient.

Please reply to this group if you are interested.




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Need for two hats?

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

As I finish my Solaris certification (and continue on with CCNP), I still
wonder if there is really a need for the two skill sets (at once).

I want to work in and with a Cisco world so I wonder if having and
maintaining the two certifications (as opposed to just maintaining and
growing one) is "worth" it.  It helps in salary, yes, but also take a lot of
time and effort.

Any thoughts or more specifically, any real-world examples on how the two
combined are being used?

Thanks,

Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
IA Systems Analyst
Sytex, Inc./ Naval Special Warfare Command

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CCNP Exam Order

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Just read a couple of articles that recommended putting the CIT exam at the
end of the list when taking the tests for CCNP.  
Anyone think differently, the same?

Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
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Sytex, Inc./ Naval Special Warfare Command

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PIX Text

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Good morning all!

Aside from the text that accompanies the PIX equipment, are there any other
texts that cover the PIX?

Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
IA Systems Analyst
Sytex, Inc./ Naval Special Warfare Command

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RE: CCIE Writen Failed again

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Sure, you failed the test twice...but what about those who won't take it
because they fear failing?  

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 11:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CCIE Writen Failed again


OK, this is the 2nd time that I've flunked this test.  The thing that really
gets me is that I actually checked my answers 3 times and felt highly
confident about it.

1st question  What does that survey at the beginning have to do with
determining your score?  I mean if you answer low or something does that
help you?

2nd Question Who else hates the ** test?

Thanks for your input.

--
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www.thetestpage.net  Free study tests


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RE: Need for two hats?

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See..those are programs that I have not had the pleasure of working with
yet.  Firewalls thus far are the Pix and that's it.  My think right now is
LAN v WAN, so it helps to get a granular view.  Thanks!

Rob

-Original Message-
From: Dale Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 10:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Need for two hats?


Solaris and Cisco, eh?

Hmmm... Cisco Works? Openview? Shell or Perl scripts to update router 
configs? Unix based Firewall before/after the router(s)? Many many other 
thoughts...

The more you know, the more you can do. Certification is proof of what you 
know (in a way...) to *potential* employers, helping you to get paid for 
that knowledge.

Time and effort? Hey, life is work pal! You get what you play for...

Dale
[=`)


>From: "Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Cisco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Need for two hats?
>Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:10:37 -0700
>
>As I finish my Solaris certification (and continue on with CCNP), I still
>wonder if there is really a need for the two skill sets (at once).
>
>I want to work in and with a Cisco world so I wonder if having and
>maintaining the two certifications (as opposed to just maintaining and
>growing one) is "worth" it.  It helps in salary, yes, but also take a lot 
>of
>time and effort.
>
>Any thoughts or more specifically, any real-world examples on how the two
>combined are being used?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
>IA Systems Analyst
>Sytex, Inc./ Naval Special Warfare Command
>
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NT1 v TA

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What is the difference between an NT1 and a TA?  Not having used either, I
see the are both "defined" as equipment that converts non-ISDN-compliant
signals...  But I also see that the TA connects to the NT1.

Rob Montgomery CCNA MCP
IA Systems Analyst
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RE: CCNP: straight from the horses mouth

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Was this REALLY an issue?  When you guys are all done with the numbers, get
to work!

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Well said.

Mike W.

"Chris H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Group,
>
> Heres some scoop I found out from the Cisco Certification folks at
> Networkers.  They are currently developing a recertification process that
> should be announced in Sept.  From what I gathered, it doesn't matter if
> you're a CCNP 2.0 or 1.0, you'll be required to recertify within a
specified
> time from your certification date (2 or 3 years is what I was told).
>
> I was also told that they don't distinguish between 1.0 and 2.0 CCNP's.
The
> 1.0 upgrade to 2.0 is merely to update the material in the tests, rather
> than testing on products that were decommissioned a year ago (see Catalyst
> 3k).  So for those of us who have 1.0 certifications, no need to panic,
> we'll all be required to recertify at some point, even you 2.0's.
>
> So theoretically, someone who achieved a 2.0 CCNP (through beta's, etc) in
> March, they will have to recertify sooner than somebody who gets a CCNP
1.0
> on July 30th.  So on your resume's, it really doesn't matter if you put
> "CCNP 2.0", because its all the same according to Cisco.
>
> Chris
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