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Can't believe all the Nostradamus crap that my company is getting, someone yesterday posted a link to the centuries site. I deleted this post (stupid me) could you re-post for me??? Thanks Ron Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=19843t=19843 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Off subject...but [7:19843]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't believe all the Nostradamus crap that my company is getting, someone yesterday posted a link to the centuries site. I deleted this post (stupid me) could you re-post for me??? Thanks Ron -- Natasha Flazynski CCNA, MCSE http://www.ciscobot.com My Cisco information site. http://www.botbuilders.com Artificial Intelligence and Linux development Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=19851t=19843 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Way off subject [7:9997]
I don't think you could get your CCIE without experience on a production network. Virtually all CCIEs have 5 years full time hands on experience on a big network. Finish school. It is a far better investment of your time right now. Trying to get a CCIE right now would be a waste of time. Your chances of getting the CCIE are slim to none without several years of big network experience and a 5 router lab. If your school is a Cisco shop, worm your way into the network infrastucture group, or what ever they call it there. I think a CCIE is a great goal and that goal needs to be set realistically. Think of a CCIE like the bar exam or medical boards. Unless you are the kind of person who can read a 500 page physics text book in one sitting and pass the final exam the next day, I would set the CCIE as a 3 to 5 year goal after you got your first Cisco job. Good luck. Con Fused wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Im in a dilemma. I need some career advice from some experienced professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road. I am 22 years old I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP. I have been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the next year and a half but Im not sure now. My problem is that I want to get my computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the same time. I am about 2 and a half years from graduating. I also work 40 hours a week as a computer tech for an elementary school. I have hands on experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production network. I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the same time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having a broader understanding of computer systems. The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself to get the degree. Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money) and get the degree done. I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the last year and a half. But I have been thinking about it and I think having the degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into management or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know nothing about but am kinda curious to learn). Part of me wants to get into the field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get the degree. I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from my job because I am focusing on school. Any suggestions? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=14477t=9997 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Way off subject [7:9997]
not true at all or by any means. there are any number of CCIEs whom I know either directly from work or indirectly through the various news lists whose experience was limited to some hands on in small networks plus home lab, various study labs, or rack rental. I know a couple of guys from work whose only real hands on experience was through implementation work ( installing routers ) and the associated troubleshooting that inevitably occurs. most of this work was in 5-10 router networks, and generally frame relay and not very complex routing. It's just a test. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bradley Lowry Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 5:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Way off subject [7:9997] I don't think you could get your CCIE without experience on a production network. Virtually all CCIEs have 5 years full time hands on experience on a big network. Finish school. It is a far better investment of your time right now. Trying to get a CCIE right now would be a waste of time. Your chances of getting the CCIE are slim to none without several years of big network experience and a 5 router lab. If your school is a Cisco shop, worm your way into the network infrastucture group, or what ever they call it there. I think a CCIE is a great goal and that goal needs to be set realistically. Think of a CCIE like the bar exam or medical boards. Unless you are the kind of person who can read a 500 page physics text book in one sitting and pass the final exam the next day, I would set the CCIE as a 3 to 5 year goal after you got your first Cisco job. Good luck. Con Fused wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Im in a dilemma. I need some career advice from some experienced professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road. I am 22 years old I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP. I have been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the next year and a half but Im not sure now. My problem is that I want to get my computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the same time. I am about 2 and a half years from graduating. I also work 40 hours a week as a computer tech for an elementary school. I have hands on experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production network. I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the same time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having a broader understanding of computer systems. The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself to get the degree. Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money) and get the degree done. I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the last year and a half. But I have been thinking about it and I think having the degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into management or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know nothing about but am kinda curious to learn). Part of me wants to get into the field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get the degree. I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from my job because I am focusing on school. Any suggestions? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=14588t=9997 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Way off subject [7:9997]
this). I damn sure don't need the little bit of extra money right now a degree would give me(i'm not going to miss that extra 20k per year, at this income level, most of it would get eaten up in taxes anyway), and after 7 years of experience, I'm damn sure I don't need to spend my days learning about intro calculus or freshman biology, I especially don't need to spend time studying college curriculum when I ought to be involved with my daughter's life while she's young, and especially when she starts getting older. However, I want to make clear that I see a value in the degree, mostly because of the emphasis put on having a B.S. degree, and in a way I would do it as a caving in to the societal pressure rather than because I feel I needed it. Furthermore, I hear the parties are a blast, and once I no longer have a daughter at home to take care of, I'm going to need a social life, I hear school is a good place to meet people(and young women). By that time I will be semi-retired, my house will be paid for in the next 5 years, I will have a huge chuck in the bank, and could go back to school in style and not worry about the money, heck I would probably be able to take a extended life balance leave of absence and not lose my job, my benefits, or my pension. Anyway, that's my 0.02. Michael Cohen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've found the responses to this thread extremely interesting because I feel they relate directly to experiences in my career path. Here's a perspective from the other end. I am 23 years old. I am currently a CNE, MCSE, CCNP, CCDP, and CCIE #6080. I personally don't put a great deal of stock into an individual solely on certification however I know employers do weigh this information. I completed my Associates Degree in the Air Force but still haven't finished my engineering degree. Attaining these certifications opened many doors for me and allowed me to gain a wealth of experience in many cutting edge technologies with both enterprise and service provider companies. I strongly believe these certifications have influenced employers to give me opportunities that my youth would normally deny. I also believe that these certifications (and the experience I have gained because of them) give me an edge when competing for a job against others without certification or experience. Don't get me wrong. I think it is very true to say a college degree will last forever and is beneficial in the long run however I strongly feel my professional career has been greatly accelerated due to the career path I have chosen. I don't regret putting industry certifications before college at this time (except for those wild college parties I've heard about!!). However, I am continuing my education and plan to finish my degree in a couple of years. HTH, -Michael Cohen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neil Schneider Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Way off subject [7:9997] For what it's worth I agree. College degree first, certifications second. The B.A./B.S. gives you general employability? in any field. Neil Schneider Allen May wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... College counts SO much more than certifications (which expire). College degrees do not expire. I went through the same thing in college getting my Novell Certification while working and studying college. Just look at it now...my college degree still gets me a job but being certified in Novell 3.11 doesn't count for much at all these days ;) Focus on college primarily and if you have free time, work on your Cisco certs then. You've got a year and a half along with breaks between semesters to do that. Dedication will pay off if you stick with it. You may even find a side job while in school working in IT where you have the ability to learn hands on Cisco (that's how I learned). Just work your way up after college out of IT and you'll have a much better understanding of the network from the bottom up. So many people only know their little piece of networking. They may know Cisco routers better than anyone else around but sit them in front of a workstation with an unfamiliar O/S and they have trouble even doing traceroute, netstat, arp, etc to troubleshoot why that one workstation can't get on the network. - Original Message - From: Con Fused To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Way off subject [7:9997] Im in a dilemma. I need some career advice from some experienced professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road. I am 22 years old I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP. I have been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the next year and a half but Im not sure now. My problem is that I
RE: Way off subject [7:9997]
can't stay up any later to see this hit the group before replying ( you used one of the forbidden words, so your post hit the moderator's queue - c'est moi in any case, I wasted to say a couple of things. 1) I'm impressed. truly. sincerely. congratulations to you in your ongoing success. 2) I am convinced that there are two types of people in the world - those who believe there are two types, and those who don't. I mean, those who are entrepreneurs, and those who are good soldiers entrepreneurs have no need of crutches like degrees or certifications. there are certainly many successful companies built by folks with no qualifications other than their zeal, enthusiasm, hard work. good soldiers need rifles and a backpack, certifications and degrees. both are quite necessary in our economy. both have value. both add value. one cannot thrive without the other. an interesting symbiosis 3) I've had more than one CCIE tell me they find it ironic that they end up doing more sales after becoming a CCIE than before. A lot of customer will trust the advice of a CCIE before that of a non CCIE. for whatever reason. 4) your outlook is well worth considering. 5) in the end, the ancient maxim applies - know yourself. 6) 25 with a 7 year old? you BAD boy ;- best wishes. Chuck P.S. your e-mail return address is phony. or at least it is bounced by ask.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of NY50TT Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 1:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Way off subject [7:9997] Ok here is my 0.02. I am not a CCIE. I have only an MCSE, and am 25 years old, single father of one 7 year old daughter. I don't have a college degree. I started my own consulting firm when I was 18, and went directly to the IT field. I now have 7 solid years of IT experience under my belt, and work as a senior security network architect for IBM. This year I will pull in just 5K shy of 6 digits. I have people with college degrees working for me. Now let me tell you a story. Those first 5 years were hell. I remember spending money in books and tools instead of food. I remember long sleepless nights studying or driving across the country in search of work and the next opportunity. I remember being turned down many times for jobs solely because I didn't have the degree. I had to play the numbers and apply for I would say 7 times the number of jobs to get 1 interview, and of those interviews, 75% of them would turn me down because of the lack of degree. Today I have met people who don't have degrees or certifications and make twice as much or more than I. These people have been in networking forever and damn sure don't need certifications, and degrees are mute. I am still disoriented by what I have found in this case, here are these folks, the top experts in the networking field in the world, but they don't have nor need, any pieces of papers other than their resume and reputation to get them anywhere. I believe that any level of success and opportunity I enjoy today is largely due to a level of successful self-marketing. Opportunities became available to me not because of what cert I had, but because a company needed something done that I had already done, I was able to sell myself to them that I was the guy to do it for them, and I just kept building on that base. Like Michael, I feel that the path I have chosen has greatly accelerated my career. Most people my age coming out of college do not come out making what I make, nor are they allowed to work with the cutting edge technologies I am allowed to work with, or doing the caliber of work I do. I don't regret not having a degree, however I will not tell you that you shouldn't get it. I posted a thread here that is labeled are Cisco certifications still worth anything? Please read the responses I got, some from CCIE's to get a splash of reality of things could be after you get your CCIE reality is you probably won't be deploying anything, and will likely have a desk job, reviewing architectures, and designing infrastructures, and even still some CCIE's use their certs for advancing up in an organization. I agree with all the comments presented in that thread, including the parts about the different uses for certifications. The only common denominator I have been able to identify in any response is the more experience you get, the less your educational or certification level seems to matter. I'm no longer questioned about lack of certifications or degrees(but note it took 7 years). I found that I made a bigger deal about it than did employers. My employers need things to get done so that they can turn a profit, and I give them that, and they pay me for it. A good name goes a long way... work finds me now, because people don't stop talking about what I can do, because I do it to their delight and satisfaction, and do it better and faster than most. It's amazing how projects just seem
Way off subject [7:9997]
Im in a dilemma. I need some career advice from some experienced professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road. I am 22 years old I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP. I have been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the next year and a half but Im not sure now. My problem is that I want to get my computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the same time. I am about 2 and a half years from graduating. I also work 40 hours a week as a computer tech for an elementary school. I have hands on experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production network. I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the same time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having a broader understanding of computer systems. The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself to get the degree. Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money) and get the degree done. I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the last year and a half. But I have been thinking about it and I think having the degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into management or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know nothing about but am kinda curious to learn). Part of me wants to get into the field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get the degree. I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from my job because I am focusing on school. Any suggestions? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=9997t=9997 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Way off subject [7:9997]
College counts SO much more than certifications (which expire). College degrees do not expire. I went through the same thing in college getting my Novell Certification while working and studying college. Just look at it now...my college degree still gets me a job but being certified in Novell 3.11 doesn't count for much at all these days ;) Focus on college primarily and if you have free time, work on your Cisco certs then. You've got a year and a half along with breaks between semesters to do that. Dedication will pay off if you stick with it. You may even find a side job while in school working in IT where you have the ability to learn hands on Cisco (that's how I learned). Just work your way up after college out of IT and you'll have a much better understanding of the network from the bottom up. So many people only know their little piece of networking. They may know Cisco routers better than anyone else around but sit them in front of a workstation with an unfamiliar O/S and they have trouble even doing traceroute, netstat, arp, etc to troubleshoot why that one workstation can't get on the network. - Original Message - From: Con Fused To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Way off subject [7:9997] Im in a dilemma. I need some career advice from some experienced professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road. I am 22 years old I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP. I have been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the next year and a half but Im not sure now. My problem is that I want to get my computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the same time. I am about 2 and a half years from graduating. I also work 40 hours a week as a computer tech for an elementary school. I have hands on experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production network. I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the same time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having a broader understanding of computer systems. The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself to get the degree. Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money) and get the degree done. I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the last year and a half. But I have been thinking about it and I think having the degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into management or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know nothing about but am kinda curious to learn). Part of me wants to get into the field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get the degree. I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from my job because I am focusing on school. Any suggestions? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=10004t=9997 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: Way off subject [7:9997]
Here is $.02 worth from someone twice your age. Go to school. Go directly to school. Do not pass go. I say that for these reasons. From your email you think you want to go to school, so that is a great reason. Also the CCIE will still be a long term goal. At your age, a degree is very important. A college degree will help you get your first job or two and they can never take it away from you. The older you get the harder it will be for you to finish school. Another advantage might be that the study habits you acquire in college will help you with your CCIE studies. I have worked with High Schoolers for 20 years and have not seen any be hurt by getting a college degree and many still working for peanuts because they did not go on to school. Listen to yourself, pray, find someone you respect and have this conversation with them. You will make the right choice. David Toalson 816-701-4142 -- From: Con Fused[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: Con Fused Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Way off subject [7:9997] Im in a dilemma. I need some career advice from some experienced professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road. I am 22 years old I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP. I have been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the next year and a half but Im not sure now. My problem is that I want to get my computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the same time. I am about 2 and a half years from graduating. I also work 40 hours a week as a computer tech for an elementary school. I have hands on experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production network. I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the same time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having a broader understanding of computer systems. The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself to get the degree. Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money) and get the degree done. I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the last year and a half. But I have been thinking about it and I think having the degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into management or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know nothing about but am kinda curious to learn). Part of me wants to get into the field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get the degree. I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from my job because I am focusing on school. Any suggestions? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=10008t=9997 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Way off subject [7:9997]
For what it's worth I agree. College degree first, certifications second. The B.A./B.S. gives you general employability? in any field. Neil Schneider Allen May wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... College counts SO much more than certifications (which expire). College degrees do not expire. I went through the same thing in college getting my Novell Certification while working and studying college. Just look at it now...my college degree still gets me a job but being certified in Novell 3.11 doesn't count for much at all these days ;) Focus on college primarily and if you have free time, work on your Cisco certs then. You've got a year and a half along with breaks between semesters to do that. Dedication will pay off if you stick with it. You may even find a side job while in school working in IT where you have the ability to learn hands on Cisco (that's how I learned). Just work your way up after college out of IT and you'll have a much better understanding of the network from the bottom up. So many people only know their little piece of networking. They may know Cisco routers better than anyone else around but sit them in front of a workstation with an unfamiliar O/S and they have trouble even doing traceroute, netstat, arp, etc to troubleshoot why that one workstation can't get on the network. - Original Message - From: Con Fused To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Way off subject [7:9997] Im in a dilemma. I need some career advice from some experienced professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road. I am 22 years old I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP. I have been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the next year and a half but Im not sure now. My problem is that I want to get my computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the same time. I am about 2 and a half years from graduating. I also work 40 hours a week as a computer tech for an elementary school. I have hands on experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production network. I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the same time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having a broader understanding of computer systems. The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself to get the degree. Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money) and get the degree done. I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the last year and a half. But I have been thinking about it and I think having the degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into management or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know nothing about but am kinda curious to learn). Part of me wants to get into the field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get the degree. I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from my job because I am focusing on school. Any suggestions? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=10006t=9997 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I totally agree. Get a degree. There are a lot of good IT companies, say like FedEx that will not hire you unless you have a degree. So.study on. -Original Message- From: David Toalson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: Way off subject [7:9997] Here is $.02 worth from someone twice your age. Go to school. Go directly to school. Do not pass go. I say that for these reasons. From your email you think you want to go to school, so that is a great reason. Also the CCIE will still be a long term goal. At your age, a degree is very important. A college degree will help you get your first job or two and they can never take it away from you. The older you get the harder it will be for you to finish school. Another advantage might be that the study habits you acquire in college will help you with your CCIE studies. I have worked with High Schoolers for 20 years and have not seen any be hurt by getting a college degree and many still working for peanuts because they did not go on to school. Listen to yourself, pray, find someone you respect and have this conversation with them. You will make the right choice. David Toalson 816-701-4142 -- From: Con Fused[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: Con Fused Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Way off subject [7:9997] Im in a dilemma. I need some career advice from some experienced professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road. I am 22 years old I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP. I have been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the next year and a half but Im not sure now. My problem is that I want to get my computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the same time. I am about 2 and a half years from graduating. I also work 40 hours a week as a computer tech for an elementary school. I have hands on experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production network. I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the same time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having a broader understanding of computer systems. The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself to get the degree. Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money) and get the degree done. I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the last year and a half. But I have been thinking about it and I think having the degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into management or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know nothing about but am kinda curious to learn). Part of me wants to get into the field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get the degree. I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from my job because I am focusing on school. Any suggestions? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=10013t=9997 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Way off subject [7:9997]
I've found the responses to this thread extremely interesting because I feel they relate directly to experiences in my career path. Here's a perspective from the other end. I am 23 years old. I am currently a CNE, MCSE, CCNP, CCDP, and CCIE #6080. I personally don't put a great deal of stock into an individual solely on certification however I know employers do weigh this information. I completed my Associates Degree in the Air Force but still haven't finished my engineering degree. Attaining these certifications opened many doors for me and allowed me to gain a wealth of experience in many cutting edge technologies with both enterprise and service provider companies. I strongly believe these certifications have influenced employers to give me opportunities that my youth would normally deny. I also believe that these certifications (and the experience I have gained because of them) give me an edge when competing for a job against others without certification or experience. Don't get me wrong. I think it is very true to say a college degree will last forever and is beneficial in the long run however I strongly feel my professional career has been greatly accelerated due to the career path I have chosen. I don't regret putting industry certifications before college at this time (except for those wild college parties I've heard about!!). However, I am continuing my education and plan to finish my degree in a couple of years. HTH, -Michael Cohen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neil Schneider Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Way off subject [7:9997] For what it's worth I agree. College degree first, certifications second. The B.A./B.S. gives you general employability? in any field. Neil Schneider Allen May wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... College counts SO much more than certifications (which expire). College degrees do not expire. I went through the same thing in college getting my Novell Certification while working and studying college. Just look at it now...my college degree still gets me a job but being certified in Novell 3.11 doesn't count for much at all these days ;) Focus on college primarily and if you have free time, work on your Cisco certs then. You've got a year and a half along with breaks between semesters to do that. Dedication will pay off if you stick with it. You may even find a side job while in school working in IT where you have the ability to learn hands on Cisco (that's how I learned). Just work your way up after college out of IT and you'll have a much better understanding of the network from the bottom up. So many people only know their little piece of networking. They may know Cisco routers better than anyone else around but sit them in front of a workstation with an unfamiliar O/S and they have trouble even doing traceroute, netstat, arp, etc to troubleshoot why that one workstation can't get on the network. - Original Message - From: Con Fused To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Way off subject [7:9997] Im in a dilemma. I need some career advice from some experienced professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road. I am 22 years old I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP. I have been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the next year and a half but Im not sure now. My problem is that I want to get my computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the same time. I am about 2 and a half years from graduating. I also work 40 hours a week as a computer tech for an elementary school. I have hands on experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production network. I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the same time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having a broader understanding of computer systems. The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself to get the degree. Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money) and get the degree done. I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the last year and a half. But I have been thinking about it and I think having the degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into management or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know nothing about but am kinda curious to learn). Part of me wants to get into the field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get the degree. I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from my job because I am focusing on scho
Re: Way off subject [7:9997]
You're too young to worry about all this stuff right now. Quit your job, work part time if you have to pay some bills. Go away to college. Forget about the certs for now. Have fun at college. Enjoy your youth. You will have plenty of time to nurture your career afetr college. This is the only time you will be young and able to party with people your own age. i.e. live brotha, live!!! Sam Sneed a Rutgers Comp Science Graduate and current network admin who had the best time of his life in college Con Fused wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Im in a dilemma. I need some career advice from some experienced professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road. I am 22 years old I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP. I have been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the next year and a half but Im not sure now. My problem is that I want to get my computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the same time. I am about 2 and a half years from graduating. I also work 40 hours a week as a computer tech for an elementary school. I have hands on experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production network. I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the same time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having a broader understanding of computer systems. The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself to get the degree. Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money) and get the degree done. I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the last year and a half. But I have been thinking about it and I think having the degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into management or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know nothing about but am kinda curious to learn). Part of me wants to get into the field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get the degree. I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from my job because I am focusing on school. Any suggestions? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=10025t=9997 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Way off subject [7:9997]
College degree! It is the most important thing you can do. With a degree you are assured a job of some sort, and if things get really bad you can always head back for grad work and grow more. Certifications come and go, but the degree remains the constant in an ever changing job market place. Jon -Original Message- From: Con Fused [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Way off subject [7:9997] Im in a dilemma. I need some career advice from some experienced professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road. I am 22 years old I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP. I have been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the next year and a half but Im not sure now. My problem is that I want to get my computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the same time. I am about 2 and a half years from graduating. I also work 40 hours a week as a computer tech for an elementary school. I have hands on experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production network. I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the same time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having a broader understanding of computer systems. The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself to get the degree. Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money) and get the degree done. I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the last year and a half. But I have been thinking about it and I think having the degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into management or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know nothing about but am kinda curious to learn). Part of me wants to get into the field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get the degree. I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from my job because I am focusing on school. Any suggestions? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=10036t=9997 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Way off subject [7:9997]
I agree, finish your CCNP then go to college. You'd be surprised on what you can work on in college. Find one w/ a network and a lab! Bryan - Original Message - From: Sam Sneed To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: Re: Way off subject [7:9997] You're too young to worry about all this stuff right now. Quit your job, work part time if you have to pay some bills. Go away to college. Forget about the certs for now. Have fun at college. Enjoy your youth. You will have plenty of time to nurture your career afetr college. This is the only time you will be young and able to party with people your own age. i.e. live brotha, live!!! Sam Sneed a Rutgers Comp Science Graduate and current network admin who had the best time of his life in college Con Fused wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Im in a dilemma. I need some career advice from some experienced professionals and anyone else that has been on the same road. I am 22 years old I have one more test (CIT) to complete my CCNP. I have been planning on studying for the CCIE and taking the lab within the next year and a half but Im not sure now. My problem is that I want to get my computer science degree and I dont think I can get both and work at the same time. I am about 2 and a half years from graduating. I also work 40 hours a week as a computer tech for an elementary school. I have hands on experience with cisco only in a lab enviroment, not in a production network. I feel confident that I want to keep learning networking, but at the same time I feel I am missing something by not having a degree and not having a broader understanding of computer systems. The longer I work and put off school I know it will be harder for myself to get the degree. Now I am deciding to go to school full time (after I save up some money) and get the degree done. I guess the only reason I feel hesitant about doing this is because I am getting closer to getting the CCIE and that has been my focus for the last year and a half. But I have been thinking about it and I think having the degree behind me will help in the long run if I want to go into management or if I decide to maybe get into network programming (which I know nothing about but am kinda curious to learn). Part of me wants to get into the field now, but the logical part of me is telling myself to wait and get the degree. I dont want to get a cisco related job while going to school because that will postpone myself getting the degree or take away from my job because I am focusing on school. Any suggestions? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=10067t=9997 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VoIP Sort of.. Kinda off subject [7:4498]
Have you looked into any of the off-net VoIP services from companies such as Concert? They will basically route your long distance calls over their VoIP network at a rate far below traditional toll services. This type of service eliminates the need for you to roll your own VoIP infrastructure. Irwin -Original Message- From: Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 1:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VoIP Sort of.. Kinda off subject [7:4498] I have a client with sites in Singapore, Silicon Valley, Israel and London who is looking to consolidate as much of their voice traffic over IP for toll bypass reasons as possible. Initially the best suggestion seems to be a Nortel 4400 series Frame switch, especially in light of the fact that they have Meridian Option 11 c's in each site and would like to preserve as many of the inter switch functions as possible. Does anyone have a suggestion as to what Cisco would present as a response to this Nortel solution? TIA! FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Irwin Lazar.vcf] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4538t=4498 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VoIP Sort of.. Kinda off subject [7:4498]
I have a client with sites in Singapore, Silicon Valley, Israel and London who is looking to consolidate as much of their voice traffic over IP for toll bypass reasons as possible. Initially the best suggestion seems to be a Nortel 4400 series Frame switch, especially in light of the fact that they have Meridian Option 11 c's in each site and would like to preserve as many of the inter switch functions as possible. Does anyone have a suggestion as to what Cisco would present as a response to this Nortel solution? TIA! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4498t=4498 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kinda off subject [7:1931]
Hello. I have just started working for an internet equipment reseller. I am wondering if anyone knows of a site I could go to to find a printable table of part numbers matched up with the product descriptions for Cisco hardware, such as routers, switches, WIC cards, VIP's and so forth. Any help would be much appreciated, Thanks __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1931t=1931 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda off subject [7:1931]
If you have a reseller cco login you can go to: http://www.cisco.com/dprg There is a breakout of all the equip. by type with list price and part # and if you click around a little I believe there is an option to download the list in excel format hope this is helpful dave h -Original Message- From: Craig Crosby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 2:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: kinda off subject [7:1931] Hello. I have just started working for an internet equipment reseller. I am wondering if anyone knows of a site I could go to to find a printable table of part numbers matched up with the product descriptions for Cisco hardware, such as routers, switches, WIC cards, VIP's and so forth. Any help would be much appreciated, Thanks __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1941t=1931 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kinda off subject [7:1931]
If your internet equipment reseller is a Cisco Reseller or Partner then you can get access to DPRG on CCO as well as other tools. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/752/qrg/ An Online catalog is available here: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/index.htm If your internet equipment reseller has an account with a wholesaler - check out their online resources. Otherwise you will have to go to a retail site and see what they got. just wondering. If you work for an internet equipment reseller, why do you use a yahoo address? Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: Craig Crosby To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: kinda off subject [7:1931] Hello. I have just started working for an internet equipment reseller. I am wondering if anyone knows of a site I could go to to find a printable table of part numbers matched up with the product descriptions for Cisco hardware, such as routers, switches, WIC cards, VIP's and so forth. Any help would be much appreciated, Thanks __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1942t=1931 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New career(Off-subject)
I just wanted to thank everyone in this group. I was in a terrible job before, but now I am back with Cisco Routers and ATM. Hope the tech stocks bounce back soon. Roy Snyder Network Engineer (Again) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New career(Off-subject)
So I gotta ask...What was your job before? :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: Doug Snyder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 12:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New career(Off-subject) I just wanted to thank everyone in this group. I was in a terrible job before, but now I am back with Cisco Routers and ATM. Hope the tech stocks bounce back soon. Roy Snyder Network Engineer (Again) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New career(Off-subject)
Scrubbing toilets couldn't have been fun!! ""Buri, Heather H"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... So I gotta ask...What was your job before? :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax: (713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing: 1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: Doug Snyder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 12:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New career(Off-subject) I just wanted to thank everyone in this group. I was in a terrible job before, but now I am back with Cisco Routers and ATM. Hope the tech stocks bounce back soon. Roy Snyder Network Engineer (Again) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
98 testing.......off subject of cisco
I realize this is not along the cisco lines, but I was wondering if anyone knows if the 98 test for mcse is still valid. I have had the nt and the 98 courses plus net essentials, but never tested. I realize nt has since been retired, but I can't find anything on-line anywhere about the 98 test. Is this still a good test to take or has everyting gone to 2000 track? Thanks, Jen Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 98 testing.......off subject of cisco
Jen, Depends on what your goals are, only 1 or 2 certs, stsp basics, you should/can do 98 and W2kP or W2k Server. A 6-12 months of rough study for MCSE W2k, yes can do. 98 http://www.microsoft.com/trainingandservices/exams/examasearch.asp?PageID=70 -098 2000 http://www.microsoft.com/trainingandservices/exams/examasearch.asp?PageID=70 -215 http://www.microsoft.com/trainingandservices/exams/examasearch.asp?PageID=70 -210 retirement http://www.microsoft.com/trainingandservices/default.asp?PageID=mcpPageCall =retiredSubSite=examinfo prep http://www.microsoft.com/trainingandservices/default.asp?PageID=mcpname=exa m So http://www.microsoft.com/trainingandservices/ should do the trick. Also Cramsession.com (NOT DUMP SITE)is VERY NEWBIE good on explaining Cert's. Luck Martijn CCNA MCSE W2k MCSE+I -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens Jennifer Cribbs Verzonden: donderdag 4 januari 2001 16:50 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: 98 testing...off subject of cisco I realize this is not along the cisco lines, but I was wondering if anyone knows if the 98 test for mcse is still valid. I have had the nt and the 98 courses plus net essentials, but never tested. I realize nt has since been retired, but I can't find anything on-line anywhere about the 98 test. Is this still a good test to take or has everyting gone to 2000 track? Thanks, Jen Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a Good Day!! Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: W2K and 98, off subject sorry but I need help
Physically reconfigure the disk drives so that the Windows 98 disk is disk(0) and the Windows 2K disk is disk(1). Make sure that Windows 98 boots fine without the boot loader screen. Then boot the Win2K CD and upgrade the existing Win2K Advanced Server partition to the same version of Win2K Advanced Server. It won't change anything on the Win2K partition, but it will build a new usable boot.ini on the Windows 98 partition. You should end up with: [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server" multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\C:\="Microsoft Windows 98" I have never seen Windows 98 boot from anything other than the first active partition on the first disk drive which the BIOS designates as C:. There are some multiboot utilities out there but they usually want to be involved before the Operating System is installed. Vern Stitt ASE, CCA, CCNA, MCSE ""Brandon Peyton"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, Im trying to figure out how to configure my boot.ini file so it will boot into win98. I have 2 40 gig drives in my server, on 1 HD is W2K Advanced Server on the second HD was in98. Currently I have: [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server" multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\C:\="Microsoft Windows 98" I've also tried "\Windows" and "C:\WINDOWS" both fail and have fatal error. Would someone who has dual boot NT and 98 please show me a copy of your boot.ini file? it would be in your c: dir. I've looked in tons of how to's but none offer 2 disk assistance only partition. Thanks for your help Brandon _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OFF SUBJECT -OSPF Timer settings on Bay
Howard and group... Anyone know where can I find the recommendations for tuning the timers(hello,dead, retransmit etc) on the OSPF process on NBMA and P to P links (frame relay) on Bay Routers?. I am having a problem with inactivity timers and I read in your book Mr. Berkowitz about the Bay recommendations but was curious were I could find those you cited in your book. Thanks in advance. Dave _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OFF SUBJECT -OSPF Timer settings on Bay
Howard and group... Anyone know where can I find the recommendations for tuning the timers(hello,dead, retransmit etc) on the OSPF process on NBMA and P to P links (frame relay) on Bay Routers?. I am having a problem with inactivity timers and I read in your book Mr. Berkowitz about the Bay recommendations but was curious were I could find those you cited in your book. Thanks in advance. Dave In the IP routing manual at support.baynetworks.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OFF SUBJECT -OSPF Timer settings on Bay
What problems are you having with the inactivity timers? I'd recommend leaving them at default on the Bay unless there is a problem involving them. Do you have any Bay log entries stating a problem that you can show me? I would change the OSPF MTU size on the Bay interface from 1 (the default) to the actual MTU on that interface. 1 means learn the MTU from the physical interface and this isn't done accurately all the time and I've seen it cause problems with other vendors equipment as well as connecting to other Bay routers. On the Bay you can use Site Mangler and look under Protocols - IP - OSPF Interface and global to adjust the values and settings. You can also use the MIBs to do it. The exact MIB objects will vary depending on the version of BayRS. If you need further assistace with the MIBs let me know and I can help you. Let me know what version of code you have. --- "Cooper, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard and group... Anyone know where can I find the recommendations for tuning the timers(hello,dead, retransmit etc) on the OSPF process on NBMA and P to P links (frame relay) on Bay Routers?. I am having a problem with inactivity timers and I read in your book Mr. Berkowitz about the Bay recommendations but was curious were I could find those you cited in your book. Thanks in advance. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
W2K and 98, off subject sorry but I need help
Hi, Im trying to figure out how to configure my boot.ini file so it will boot into win98. I have 2 40 gig drives in my server, on 1 HD is W2K Advanced Server on the second HD was in98. Currently I have: [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server" multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\C:\="Microsoft Windows 98" I've also tried "\Windows" and "C:\WINDOWS" both fail and have fatal error. Would someone who has dual boot NT and 98 please show me a copy of your boot.ini file? it would be in your c: dir. I've looked in tons of how to's but none offer 2 disk assistance only partition. Thanks for your help Brandon _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: W2K and 98, off subject sorry but I need help
Brandon, Win98 must be on the first bootable HD partition. It is always specified at the end of the boot.ini file as C:\Windows (or whatever folder name you used). Check out this link: http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/winnt/ntwrkstn/tips/ncccrtdu.asp HTH, Merry Christmas, Tom -- Tom Keough MCSE CCNA ATT Global Network Solutions Standard Access Management Managed Router Service Tier 2 Technical Support Tampa, Florida ""Brandon Peyton"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, Im trying to figure out how to configure my boot.ini file so it will boot into win98. I have 2 40 gig drives in my server, on 1 HD is W2K Advanced Server on the second HD was in98. Currently I have: [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server" multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\C:\="Microsoft Windows 98" I've also tried "\Windows" and "C:\WINDOWS" both fail and have fatal error. Would someone who has dual boot NT and 98 please show me a copy of your boot.ini file? it would be in your c: dir. I've looked in tons of how to's but none offer 2 disk assistance only partition. Thanks for your help Brandon _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: W2K and 98, off subject sorry but I need help
Your statements should read; multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server" multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\Windows="Microsoft Windows 98" At 01:48 PM 12/26/2000 +1100, Brandon Peyton wrote: Hi, Im trying to figure out how to configure my boot.ini file so it will boot into win98. I have 2 40 gig drives in my server, on 1 HD is W2K Advanced Server on the second HD was in98. Currently I have: [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server" multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\C:\="Microsoft Windows 98" I've also tried "\Windows" and "C:\WINDOWS" both fail and have fatal error. Would someone who has dual boot NT and 98 please show me a copy of your boot.ini file? it would be in your c: dir. I've looked in tons of how to's but none offer 2 disk assistance only partition. Thanks for your help Brandon _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: W2K and 98, off subject sorry but I need help
This should do it. [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\C:\="Microsoft Windows 98" [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server" multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\C:\="Microsoft Windows 98" --- Brandon Peyton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Im trying to figure out how to configure my boot.ini file so it will boot into win98. I have 2 40 gig drives in my server, on 1 HD is W2K Advanced Server on the second HD was in98. Currently I have: [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server" multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\C:\="Microsoft Windows 98" I've also tried "\Windows" and "C:\WINDOWS" both fail and have fatal error. Would someone who has dual boot NT and 98 please show me a copy of your boot.ini file? it would be in your c: dir. I've looked in tons of how to's but none offer 2 disk assistance only partition. Thanks for your help Brandon _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Off subject, sorry but i need some help.
Hi, I don't know if I am reading your drawing correctly but are all the addresses in the same subnet. If so the this is a problem. Basically you need a subnet for each wire. ie on from your server to the router 2611 then on between the 2611 and the 3640 and so on. If you are using the one subnet they would appear to be on the same wire and I don't think that is true. For example 192.168.4.0 255.255.255.252 would give you a network address (the wire I spoke about) of 192.168.4.0 then 2 addresses for devices (each end of your link) and a broadcast address. I think that is what you need. Hope this helps. Teunis, Hobart. Tasmania Australia On Friday, December 15, 2000 at 09:59:06 PM, Brandon Peyton wrote: Hi, Im having a problem currently with my network I was wondering if someone would advise me of what I could be doing wrong. Currently: BSD server-(.179)---| | Cisco 2611-(.180)---| | Cisco 3640-(.181)---| | Cisco 2509-(.182)---10/100 Switch--W2K Adv.Server(.178)-ppp to UUNET(.177) | NT server-(.183)| | Win98 Laptop-(.184)-| | Win98 Workstation-(.185)| The setup is I dial out with W2K and a static route of 203.166.27.176/28 comes to my connection (if you trace you can see all IP's get routed to my interface but die) I dont know what I need to do in setting up the NT server, I dont want to run NAT. Would anyone be willing to assist with this server? The BSD server runs multiple web hosting services/mail/etc. The Cisco's i want to help out a few mates with their cert's and want them to be able to telnet to them. Thanks, Brandon _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- www.tasmail.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Off subject, sorry but i need some help.
Hi, Im having a problem currently with my network I was wondering if someone would advise me of what I could be doing wrong. Currently: BSD server-(.179)---| | Cisco 2611-(.180)---| | Cisco 3640-(.181)---| | Cisco 2509-(.182)---10/100 Switch--W2K Adv.Server(.178)-ppp to UUNET(.177) | NT server-(.183)| | Win98 Laptop-(.184)-| | Win98 Workstation-(.185)| The setup is I dial out with W2K and a static route of 203.166.27.176/28 comes to my connection (if you trace you can see all IP's get routed to my interface but die) I dont know what I need to do in setting up the NT server, I dont want to run NAT. Would anyone be willing to assist with this server? The BSD server runs multiple web hosting services/mail/etc. The Cisco's i want to help out a few mates with their cert's and want them to be able to telnet to them. Thanks, Brandon _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Off Subject Proxy
Perhaps the auto-detect proxy settings in Windows Internet Explorer would
help, have you tried that?
There are some utilities on download.com that could be helpful for you.
Essentially they just do the registry changes but at least they do it with a
bit more elegance. Here are a few I just found.
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10071-100-893358.html?tag=st.dl.10001_103_8.lst.td_893358
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10071-100-1549273.html?tag=st.dl.10001_103_10.lst.td_1549273
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10101-100-2082516.html?tag=st.dl.10001_103_10.lst.td_2082516
Hope that helps.
From: "Rob Mears (c)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Frank Wells' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Off Subject Proxy
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 07:51:28 -0600
Hi Frank,
I understand what you are saying and thinks for the info. The biggest
problem is selecting the logon parameters via the location. As I said in my
post, users travel a lot, and depending on the location the Proxy setting
will be different. If they log on at home I have to be able to remove the
settings. So a different Reg file will have to be run for each location. I
am trying to figure out a way of doing this. Any Idea?
Thanks
Rob
-Original Message-
From: Frank Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 6:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Off Subject Proxy
You can do this quite easily if you know the reg hacks you need to make.
Once you create a .reg file with the appropriate hacks, fire it off from a
login script. Your login script really doesn't need to be any more
extensive than something like this:
if EXIST C:\WINDOWS\WINIPCFG.EXE goto W9X
goto NT
:W9X
net use x: \\servername\sharename
x:
start win9xproxy.reg
goto end
:NT
net use x: \\servername\sharename
x:
start ntproxy.reg
:end
An easy way to figure out the reg entries is to use the app 'regsnap' from
download.com. It does the snapshot thing and is quite useful to find
changed registry entries.
Alternatively you could email all your users all the .reg files you create
and have them fire off the appropriate one for their OS.
From: "Rob Mears (c)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: "Rob Mears (c)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: cisco group study [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Off Subject Proxy
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:51:40 -0600
Hi,
I need a way to set the proxy setting on over 1200 user
machines. I need to define this setting by IP address.
Right now I am using Kixtart but with all the subnets we
have this will get out of hand quick. I have included a
piece from my script to show what I am talking about.
So basically, if a user logs in at 10.0.0.5, I need
something that will look as they log in using NT\2000
server and change there browser to point at a Firebox\Net
cache box in there subnet. All client machines are NT\98
\2000 pro. If they happen to go home with the laptop we
provide or go on the road, I need the setting removed as
not to burden our Helpdesk. The only constant I can think
of it the IP address to identify there location.
The KIX Script that is about a block long.
$BrowserproxyW2K="HKEY_USER\@Sid\Software\Microsoft\Windows\
CurrentVersion\Internet Settings"
CASE INSTR(@IPADDRESS0, " 10. 60. 193.") 0
WRITEVALUE
("$BrowserproxyW2K","ProxyEnable","1","REG_DWORD")
WRITEVALUE
("$BrowserproxyW2K","ProxyServer","322.222.222.222:70","REG_
SZ")
WRITEVALUE
("$BrowserproxyW2K","ProxyOverride","local","REG_SZ")
Thanks a ton
Rob
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Off Subject Proxy
Hi,
I need a way to set the proxy setting on over 1200 user
machines. I need to define this setting by IP address.
Right now I am using Kixtart but with all the subnets we
have this will get out of hand quick. I have included a
piece from my script to show what I am talking about.
So basically, if a user logs in at 10.0.0.5, I need
something that will look as they log in using NT\2000
server and change there browser to point at a Firebox\Net
cache box in there subnet. All client machines are NT\98
\2000 pro. If they happen to go home with the laptop we
provide or go on the road, I need the setting removed as
not to burden our Helpdesk. The only constant I can think
of it the IP address to identify there location.
The KIX Script that is about a block long.
$BrowserproxyW2K="HKEY_USER\@Sid\Software\Microsoft\Windows\
CurrentVersion\Internet Settings"
CASE INSTR(@IPADDRESS0, " 10. 60. 193.") 0
WRITEVALUE
("$BrowserproxyW2K","ProxyEnable","1","REG_DWORD")
WRITEVALUE
("$BrowserproxyW2K","ProxyServer","322.222.222.222:70","REG_
SZ")
WRITEVALUE
("$BrowserproxyW2K","ProxyOverride","local","REG_SZ")
Thanks a ton
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Re: off subject
Ah yes, but Unix Admins have their own mailing list. We who chose to be less desired use this one. Go build up their confidence while we study Thanks - Original Message - From: "Matt C. Lange" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Lawrence Dwyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Agung Elvin (KPC)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:39 PM Subject: off subject Hello group, I have been asking arround and it seems to me that UNIX admins are way more desirable than router admins. I guess from what I have been hearing is that if you are solid in unix you are pretty much set for life. This is just what I hear in the chicago area. Mainly HP-UX Matt ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: off subject
Enjoy Chicago... next -Original Message- From: Matt C. Lange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:39 PM To: Lawrence Dwyer; Agung Elvin (KPC); [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: off subject Hello group, I have been asking arround and it seems to me that UNIX admins are way more desirable than router admins. I guess from what I have been hearing is that if you are solid in unix you are pretty much set for life. This is just what I hear in the chicago area. Mainly HP-UX Matt ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Matt, I too work and live in the Chicago area and although is an ever present need for Unix talent, the need for experienced networking professionals has not diminished at all. HP UX is a different animal than Solaris and it does see higher demand because fewer people are fluent in it. Solaris admins are much more common. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of J. Oquendo Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 12:08 AM To: Matt C. Lange; Lawrence Dwyer; Agung Elvin (KPC); [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: off subject Depends on location. I live in NYC and have a strong background on Solaris on BSD as well as Linux which in my opinion has slowly become Microsoft'ish to me. I find by looking that I get about 5x more responses in regards to my Unix Admin skills than I do for networking stuff. Although I'm fairly new (2-3 years) into the router/routing scene I fully understand how to implement and create functional networks RIP, EIGRP, OSPF, etc., but the demand seems to be higher for Unix out here but the money is to be gained by the CCIE's, CCDA's etc. They gain huge consultant fee's. Personally I'm learning it for the sake of enjoyment on a personal level though so for some it may be a financial gain. Right now I make over 75 per year without any cert's but this stems from knowledge and experience along with the fact I've worked for some huge companies and have a strong focus on security which I use to my advantage. If you really want to see a cool cert check out the CISSP and CISA which I'll acquire after the CCIE some time. For reference HPUX is a lousy system =P Solaris I see is in much demand since Oracle is pretty much a standalone and the OS of choice to run it. Veritas, Vignette, etc take strong likings to Solaris as well. HPUX has as much advisories as Windows (well not that much but enough to make me gag) and RedCrap er... Redhat has turned into a script kiddiot flavor of Unix. --Original Message-- From: "Matt C. Lange" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Lawrence Dwyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Agung Elvin (KPC)" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 1, 2000 11:39:13 PM GMT Subject: off subject Hello group, I have been asking arround and it seems to me that UNIX admins are way more desirable than router admins. I guess from what I have been hearing is that if you are solid in unix you are pretty much set for life. This is just what I hear in the chicago area. Mainly HP-UX Matt ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: off subject
Cool Duck - Original Message - From: Matt C. Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lawrence Dwyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Agung Elvin (KPC) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:39 PM Subject: off subject Hello group, I have been asking arround and it seems to me that UNIX admins are way more desirable than router admins. I guess from what I have been hearing is that if you are solid in unix you are pretty much set for life. This is just what I hear in the chicago area. Mainly HP-UX Matt ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: off subject
Hey now, I already chastised this guy, no need to bag on the Windy City. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 10:17 AM To: Matt C. Lange; Lawrence Dwyer; Agung Elvin (KPC); [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: off subject Enjoy Chicago... next -Original Message- From: Matt C. Lange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:39 PM To: Lawrence Dwyer; Agung Elvin (KPC); [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: off subject Hello group, I have been asking arround and it seems to me that UNIX admins are way more desirable than router admins. I guess from what I have been hearing is that if you are solid in unix you are pretty much set for life. This is just what I hear in the chicago area. Mainly HP-UX Matt ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
off subject
Hello group, I have been asking arround and it seems to me that UNIX admins are way more desirable than router admins. I guess from what I have been hearing is that if you are solid in unix you are pretty much set for life. This is just what I hear in the chicago area. Mainly HP-UX Matt ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: off subject
Depends on location. I live in NYC and have a strong background on Solaris on BSD as well as Linux which in my opinion has slowly become Microsoft'ish to me. I find by looking that I get about 5x more responses in regards to my Unix Admin skills than I do for networking stuff. Although I'm fairly new (2-3 years) into the router/routing scene I fully understand how to implement and create functional networks RIP, EIGRP, OSPF, etc., but the demand seems to be higher for Unix out here but the money is to be gained by the CCIE's, CCDA's etc. They gain huge consultant fee's. Personally I'm learning it for the sake of enjoyment on a personal level though so for some it may be a financial gain. Right now I make over 75 per year without any cert's but this stems from knowledge and experience along with the fact I've worked for some huge companies and have a strong focus on security which I use to my advantage. If you really want to see a cool cert check out the CISSP and CISA which I'll acquire after the CCIE some time. For reference HPUX is a lousy system =P Solaris I see is in much demand since Oracle is pretty much a standalone and the OS of choice to run it. Veritas, Vignette, etc take strong likings to Solaris as well. HPUX has as much advisories as Windows (well not that much but enough to make me gag) and RedCrap er... Redhat has turned into a script kiddiot flavor of Unix. --Original Message-- From: "Matt C. Lange" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Lawrence Dwyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Agung Elvin (KPC)" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 1, 2000 11:39:13 PM GMT Subject: off subject Hello group, I have been asking arround and it seems to me that UNIX admins are way more desirable than router admins. I guess from what I have been hearing is that if you are solid in unix you are pretty much set for life. This is just what I hear in the chicago area. Mainly HP-UX Matt ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
very off subject...
Hi guys, I know this is off subject but im at dire straights with this machine. but i've looked in heaps of HOW-TO's and havnt found what i need. If you have had any experience with BSD and configureing it as a router/gateway etc PLEASE email me... thanks guys B. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: very off subject...
i've had router/gateway experience with FreeBSD if that helps ? On Wed, 17 May 2000, Brandon Peyton wrote: Hi guys, I know this is off subject but im at dire straights with this machine. but i've looked in heaps of HOW-TO's and havnt found what i need. If you have had any experience with BSD and configureing it as a router/gateway etc PLEASE email me... thanks guys B. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
