Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII
Hi Kevin. You have got yourself a great boat. See comments below: Rich Knowles INDIGO 1981 LF38 Halifax NS On Dec 3, 2013, at 2:03, Kevin Driscoll kevindrisc...@gmail.com wrote: Our new to us 30-2 started sounding a bit hollow and throwing some stream out of exist the other night so I opened the water pump Sunday and found this: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8N3E0cmJrYWwyTlE/edit?usp=docslist_api Only one of the fins appeared to be completely intact - I cannot see the picture. It appears to be locked and needs your permission to unlock and view. However, that doesn't sound good. Check carefully in the pump outlet pipes for the lost vanes. They likely are stuck in the cooling system somewhere and should be removed to ensure good water flow. Check the thermostat housing if they are not immediately apparent in the plumbing. While you are at it, check the anodes if there are some on your engine. A shop manual is an excellent investment. Try ebay or Google up a source. So my questions are: (1) - What is the best toothed belt easily obtained as a replacement? (I read the Yanmar belts were less than stellar) - I'm not aware of any specific need to use a toothed belt. NAPA usually can supply a decent replacement. Get the size off the old one or take it with you when you go shopping. (2) - How would you clean pullies before reassembly? - Use emery paper. Run the engine to clean the crank pulley and use a portable drill with a socket to drive the pump pulley. Be careful! (3) - 30 mk-2 ownersHow the h€ll does one tighten an alternator belt on the 2GM20 with the nut facing the back of the nut facing the stern and almost completely inaccessible. - Same as every other boat repair; strategically located vice-grips, beer and cuss words. (4) - The throttle is painfully stiff to the point I almost need two hands to move it. Is there an easy lubrication point to get it moving again till I can replace the cable? - hard to tell without seeing your particular setup, but you should be able to squirt some penetrating lubricant down the cable at the quadrant when the throttle is pulled up. Check to see if you have u-bolt clamp on the cable somewhere along its length. It may be too tight or the cable may be damaged. I would also disconnect the end of the cable at the engine and make sure it is the cable and not the pump. Unlikely, but possible. Thanks everybody. Kevin s/v Osprey CC 30 mkII Pic from Thanksgiving: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8QWtlbGE2NzhYRzQ/edit?usp=docslist_api Sent from my Tablet ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII
A note: when you run the engine to clean the engine pulley, do so with the belt OFF. It should only take a few seconds to clean up the pulley if you are prepared and there won't be any over heating problem. Rich On Dec 3, 2013, at 5:40, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: Hi Kevin. You have got yourself a great boat. See comments below: Rich Knowles INDIGO 1981 LF38 Halifax NS On Dec 3, 2013, at 2:03, Kevin Driscoll kevindrisc...@gmail.com wrote: Our new to us 30-2 started sounding a bit hollow and throwing some stream out of exist the other night so I opened the water pump Sunday and found this: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8N3E0cmJrYWwyTlE/edit?usp=docslist_api Only one of the fins appeared to be completely intact - I cannot see the picture. It appears to be locked and needs your permission to unlock and view. However, that doesn't sound good. Check carefully in the pump outlet pipes for the lost vanes. They likely are stuck in the cooling system somewhere and should be removed to ensure good water flow. Check the thermostat housing if they are not immediately apparent in the plumbing. While you are at it, check the anodes if there are some on your engine. A shop manual is an excellent investment. Try ebay or Google up a source. So my questions are: (1) - What is the best toothed belt easily obtained as a replacement? (I read the Yanmar belts were less than stellar) - I'm not aware of any specific need to use a toothed belt. NAPA usually can supply a decent replacement. Get the size off the old one or take it with you when you go shopping. (2) - How would you clean pullies before reassembly? - Use emery paper. Run the engine to clean the crank pulley and use a portable drill with a socket to drive the pump pulley. Be careful! (3) - 30 mk-2 ownersHow the h€ll does one tighten an alternator belt on the 2GM20 with the nut facing the back of the nut facing the stern and almost completely inaccessible. - Same as every other boat repair; strategically located vice-grips, beer and cuss words. (4) - The throttle is painfully stiff to the point I almost need two hands to move it. Is there an easy lubrication point to get it moving again till I can replace the cable? - hard to tell without seeing your particular setup, but you should be able to squirt some penetrating lubricant down the cable at the quadrant when the throttle is pulled up. Check to see if you have u-bolt clamp on the cable somewhere along its length. It may be too tight or the cable may be damaged. I would also disconnect the end of the cable at the engine and make sure it is the cable and not the pump. Unlikely, but possible. Thanks everybody. Kevin s/v Osprey CC 30 mkII Pic from Thanksgiving: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8QWtlbGE2NzhYRzQ/edit?usp=docslist_api Sent from my Tablet ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII
1 - I've never found that I needed anything but a properly tightened yanmar belt. 2 - Agree, a little emery cloth while each pully is running. 3 - I use a belt tensioner to hold the belts to the correct tension while tightening the nuts. 4 - When my throttle got stiff I was unsuccessful at getting it lubed. Infact the only thing I was successful at accomplishing was breaking of the threaded part at the end of the cable in the pedestal. I subsequently replaced all the engine control cabels and really couldn't be happier. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ 3HM35F Solomons, MD On Dec 3, 2013 1:03 AM, Kevin Driscoll kevindrisc...@gmail.com wrote: Our new to us 30-2 started sounding a bit hollow and throwing some stream out of exist the other night so I opened the water pump Sunday and found this: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8N3E0cmJrYWwyTlE/edit?usp=docslist_api Only one of the fins appeared to be completely in tact So my questions are: (1) - What is the best toothed belt easily obtained as a replacement? (I read the Yanmar belts were less than stellar) (2) - How would you clean pullies before reassembly? (3) - 30 mk-2 ownersHow the h€ll does one tighten an alternator belt on the 2GM20 with the nut facing the back of the nut facing the stern and almost completely inaccessible. (4) - The throttle is painfully stiff to the point I almost need two hands to move it. Is there an easy lubrication point to get it moving again till I can replace the cable? Thanks everybody. Kevin s/v Osprey CC 30 mkII Pic from Thanksgiving: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8QWtlbGE2NzhYRzQ/edit?usp=docslist_api Sent from my Tablet ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII
Kevin, I replaced my throttle cable last year after it brokequite the job on a 30-2. When replacing you will see how many curves it has hence the stiffness. To do the replacement I had to: - remove the compass - remove the wheel brake - slack the steering cables - remove the steering chain...all this to be able to lower and then pull up both the throttle and transmission cables on the left side of the steering shaft as described in the Edson instructions. You will also need to remove the access panel under the pedestal in the aft cabin. Allan Rheaume Drumroll 30 Mk II # 90 On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 1:03:33 AM, Kevin Driscoll kevindrisc...@gmail.com wrote: Our new to us 30-2 started sounding a bit hollow and throwing some stream out of exist the other night so I opened the water pump Sunday and found this: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8N3E0cmJrYWwyTlE/edit?usp=docslist_api Only one of the fins appeared to be completely in tact So my questions are: (1) - What is the best toothed belt easily obtained as a replacement? (I read the Yanmar belts were less than stellar) (2) - How would you clean pullies before reassembly? (3) - 30 mk-2 ownersHow the h€ll does one tighten an alternator belt on the 2GM20 with the nut facing the back of the nut facing the stern and almost completely inaccessible. (4) - The throttle is painfully stiff to the point I almost need two hands to move it. Is there an easy lubrication point to get it moving again till I can replace the cable? Thanks everybody. Kevin s/v Osprey CC 30 mkII Pic from Thanksgiving: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8QWtlbGE2NzhYRzQ/edit?usp=docslist_api Sent from my Tablet ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Halyard Tension
Sam Draft still moves. Also some of us like to ease main halyard tension downwind and tighten upwind. On the CC115 with North 3DL we have always used halyard, cunningham, outhaul to adjust sail shape along with other controls as well. With the replacement of main and #1 with new 3DL this year we still continue to use these. On the #1 we do not adjust the tension as much as we used to with the old one. With teh main we do adjust as much as with the old one. Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Halyard Tension Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded me to ask a question of you racers out there: - I don't race - only because there's no-one racing on our lake. Although I have done a couple of Swiftsures. But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me! My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron sails 5 seasons ago. I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the same with the main too!) Now the question: Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135% genoa. I'm assuming I don't adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don't think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail. Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham adjustment will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption? If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails any different than the old Dacron sails? What new techniques do I need to absorb? Thanks, sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Old Sails Suck
Meant to put this as an aside on Sam's thread. New main and #1 on Koobalibra CC115 this past summer. The difference between these and the 6 year old sails is like high tech winter tires to bald tires in a snow storm From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Halyard Tension Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded me to ask a question of you racers out there: - I don't race - only because there's no-one racing on our lake. Although I have done a couple of Swiftsures. But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me! My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron sails 5 seasons ago. I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the same with the main too!) Now the question: Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135% genoa. I'm assuming I don't adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don't think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail. Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham adjustment will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption? If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails any different than the old Dacron sails? What new techniques do I need to absorb? Thanks, sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck
So did Koobalibra place better and win more often with the new inventory? _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: December 3, 2013 9:29 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Meant to put this as an aside on Sam's thread. New main and #1 on Koobalibra CC115 this past summer. The difference between these and the 6 year old sails is like high tech winter tires to bald tires in a snow storm _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Halyard Tension Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded me to ask a question of you racers out there: - I don't race - only because there's no-one racing on our lake. Although I have done a couple of Swiftsures. But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me! My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron sails 5 seasons ago. I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the same with the main too!) Now the question: Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135% genoa. I'm assuming I don't adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don't think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail. Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham adjustment will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption? If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails any different than the old Dacron sails? What new techniques do I need to absorb? Thanks, sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta. _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck
Dwight We won our class in Chester this year. We also sailed a lot faster with the new #1 than the old one. In past years if we had breeze and could justify the #3 we did that at earliest possible minute and did much better in winds 15+ than in lighter wind. The old #1 we hated - we could never get it right because the draft was molded too far aft. We had to always run the jib halyard extremely tight just to get teh draft anywhere near where we wanted - also had to have forestay tension much higher than otherwise would be the case for same reason. The new #1 is just really really nice and a pleasure to trim. I have not heard Andrew swear at it once this year compared to the usual I hate this sail at least once during a race with the old one. Mind you the old one was likely a bit blown out. The main just looks pretty. It is very nice not to have to spend 40 minutes taping holes prior to a regatta or a major race, Despite that the old main still worked reasonably well but was still not as nice as the new one - because again it had lost some of its shape. Koob is in fact a pretty fast hull. Fun boat Mike crew Koobalibra CC115 59115 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck So did Koobalibra place better and win more often with the new inventory? From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: December 3, 2013 9:29 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Meant to put this as an aside on Sam's thread. New main and #1 on Koobalibra CC115 this past summer. The difference between these and the 6 year old sails is like high tech winter tires to bald tires in a snow storm From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Halyard Tension Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded me to ask a question of you racers out there: - I don't race - only because there's no-one racing on our lake. Although I have done a couple of Swiftsures. But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me! My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron sails 5 seasons ago. I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the same with the main too!) Now the question: Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135% genoa. I'm assuming I don't adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don't think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail. Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham adjustment will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption? If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails any different than the old Dacron sails? What new techniques do I need to absorb? Thanks, sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck
Congrats.sounds like you guys got all there was out of the old sails and I bet the new ones do look much prettier.patching is definitely not the way to go on a regular basis _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: December 3, 2013 9:44 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Dwight We won our class in Chester this year. We also sailed a lot faster with the new #1 than the old one. In past years if we had breeze and could justify the #3 we did that at earliest possible minute and did much better in winds 15+ than in lighter wind. The old #1 we hated - we could never get it right because the draft was molded too far aft. We had to always run the jib halyard extremely tight just to get teh draft anywhere near where we wanted - also had to have forestay tension much higher than otherwise would be the case for same reason. The new #1 is just really really nice and a pleasure to trim. I have not heard Andrew swear at it once this year compared to the usual I hate this sail at least once during a race with the old one. Mind you the old one was likely a bit blown out. The main just looks pretty. It is very nice not to have to spend 40 minutes taping holes prior to a regatta or a major race, Despite that the old main still worked reasonably well but was still not as nice as the new one - because again it had lost some of its shape. Koob is in fact a pretty fast hull. Fun boat Mike crew Koobalibra CC115 59115 _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck So did Koobalibra place better and win more often with the new inventory? _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: December 3, 2013 9:29 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Meant to put this as an aside on Sam's thread. New main and #1 on Koobalibra CC115 this past summer. The difference between these and the 6 year old sails is like high tech winter tires to bald tires in a snow storm _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Halyard Tension Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded me to ask a question of you racers out there: - I don't race - only because there's no-one racing on our lake. Although I have done a couple of Swiftsures. But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me! My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron sails 5 seasons ago. I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the same with the main too!) Now the question: Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135% genoa. I'm assuming I don't adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don't think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail. Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham adjustment will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption? If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails any different than the old Dacron sails? What new techniques do I need to absorb? Thanks, sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta. _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck
Dwight, The best part for me is that I get the pleasure of using new sails without having to pay for them! Sails are much pricier on a 38 ft boat than on a 27 ft boat. Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:57 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Congrats...sounds like you guys got all there was out of the old sails and I bet the new ones do look much prettier...patching is definitely not the way to go on a regular basis From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: December 3, 2013 9:44 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Dwight We won our class in Chester this year. We also sailed a lot faster with the new #1 than the old one. In past years if we had breeze and could justify the #3 we did that at earliest possible minute and did much better in winds 15+ than in lighter wind. The old #1 we hated - we could never get it right because the draft was molded too far aft. We had to always run the jib halyard extremely tight just to get teh draft anywhere near where we wanted - also had to have forestay tension much higher than otherwise would be the case for same reason. The new #1 is just really really nice and a pleasure to trim. I have not heard Andrew swear at it once this year compared to the usual I hate this sail at least once during a race with the old one. Mind you the old one was likely a bit blown out. The main just looks pretty. It is very nice not to have to spend 40 minutes taping holes prior to a regatta or a major race, Despite that the old main still worked reasonably well but was still not as nice as the new one - because again it had lost some of its shape. Koob is in fact a pretty fast hull. Fun boat Mike crew Koobalibra CC115 59115 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck So did Koobalibra place better and win more often with the new inventory? From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: December 3, 2013 9:29 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Meant to put this as an aside on Sam's thread. New main and #1 on Koobalibra CC115 this past summer. The difference between these and the 6 year old sails is like high tech winter tires to bald tires in a snow storm From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Halyard Tension Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded me to ask a question of you racers out there: - I don't race - only because there's no-one racing on our lake. Although I have done a couple of Swiftsures. But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me! My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron sails 5 seasons ago. I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the same with the main too!) Now the question: Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135% genoa. I'm assuming I don't adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don't think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail. Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham adjustment will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption? If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails any different than the old Dacron sails? What new techniques do I need to absorb? Thanks, sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII
3) I don't own a belt tensioner so instead I use an Irwin Quick Grip Clamps/Spreader to tension it. Not ideal but it works... Cheers,Aaron R.Admiral Maggie,1979 CC 30 MK1 #540Annapolis, MD Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:03:28 -0800 From: kevindrisc...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII Our new to us 30-2 started sounding a bit hollow and throwing some stream out of exist the other night so I opened the water pump Sunday and found this: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8N3E0cmJrYWwyTlE/edit?usp=docslist_api Only one of the fins appeared to be completely in tact So my questions are: (1) - What is the best toothed belt easily obtained as a replacement? (I read the Yanmar belts were less than stellar) (2) - How would you clean pullies before reassembly? (3) - 30 mk-2 ownersHow the h€ll does one tighten an alternator belt on the 2GM20 with the nut facing the back of the nut facing the stern and almost completely inaccessible. (4) - The throttle is painfully stiff to the point I almost need two hands to move it. Is there an easy lubrication point to get it moving again till I can replace the cable? Thanks everybody. Kevin s/v Osprey CC 30 mkII Pic from Thanksgiving: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8QWtlbGE2NzhYRzQ/edit?usp=docslist_api Sent from my Tablet ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck
Yea, and you got a lot of good guys to sail with on Dave's boat.just can't imagine Dave putting up with patching sails for very long _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: December 3, 2013 10:01 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Dwight, The best part for me is that I get the pleasure of using new sails without having to pay for them! Sails are much pricier on a 38 ft boat than on a 27 ft boat. Mike _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:57 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Congrats.sounds like you guys got all there was out of the old sails and I bet the new ones do look much prettier.patching is definitely not the way to go on a regular basis _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: December 3, 2013 9:44 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Dwight We won our class in Chester this year. We also sailed a lot faster with the new #1 than the old one. In past years if we had breeze and could justify the #3 we did that at earliest possible minute and did much better in winds 15+ than in lighter wind. The old #1 we hated - we could never get it right because the draft was molded too far aft. We had to always run the jib halyard extremely tight just to get teh draft anywhere near where we wanted - also had to have forestay tension much higher than otherwise would be the case for same reason. The new #1 is just really really nice and a pleasure to trim. I have not heard Andrew swear at it once this year compared to the usual I hate this sail at least once during a race with the old one. Mind you the old one was likely a bit blown out. The main just looks pretty. It is very nice not to have to spend 40 minutes taping holes prior to a regatta or a major race, Despite that the old main still worked reasonably well but was still not as nice as the new one - because again it had lost some of its shape. Koob is in fact a pretty fast hull. Fun boat Mike crew Koobalibra CC115 59115 _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck So did Koobalibra place better and win more often with the new inventory? _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: December 3, 2013 9:29 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Meant to put this as an aside on Sam's thread. New main and #1 on Koobalibra CC115 this past summer. The difference between these and the 6 year old sails is like high tech winter tires to bald tires in a snow storm _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Halyard Tension Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded me to ask a question of you racers out there: - I don't race - only because there's no-one racing on our lake. Although I have done a couple of Swiftsures. But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me! My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron sails 5 seasons ago. I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the same with the main too!) Now the question: Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135% genoa. I'm assuming I don't adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don't think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail. Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham adjustment will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption? If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails any different than the old Dacron sails? What new techniques do I need to absorb? Thanks, sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta. _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album
Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle
Hi, I had a cable once that was also painfully stiff to a point that I broke the handle trying to move it. It turned out that cable housing was split at a point near the middle of the cable which allowed the inner cable to corrode at that location. A new cable and self-manufactured handle fixed it. You may want to check along the cable bends for split cable housings and replace. On another boat, I once saw a stiff cable caused by an over tight clamp near the injector. It was fixed just by loosening the clamp a bit. - Paul E. 1979 CC 29 Mk1 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Dec 3, 2013, at 9:07 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:03:28 -0800 From: kevindrisc...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII (4) - The throttle is painfully stiff to the point I almost need two hands to move it. Is there an easy lubrication point to get it moving again till I can replace the cable? Thanks everybody. Kevin s/v Osprey CC 30 mkII Pic from Thanksgiving: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8QWtlbGE2NzhYRzQ/edit?usp=docslist_api Sent from my Tablet ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII
Pretty nifty! Cheers,Aaron R.Admiral Maggie,1979 CC 30 MK1 #540Annapolis, MD Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 06:54:29 -0800 From: paradigmat...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII I would not be without this belt tensioning tool. I'm thinking of buying a couple more just in case the ones I have break. They are really hard to find. http://www.mscdirect.com/product/35438209?rItem=35438209 As for belts, several sources have told me that Gates makes the best belts, cogged or otherwise. On 3 December 2013 06:07, Aaron Rouhi admiralmag...@outlook.com wrote: 3) I don't own a belt tensioner so instead I use an Irwin Quick Grip Clamps/Spreader to tension it. Not ideal but it works... Cheers,Aaron R.Admiral Maggie, 1979 CC 30 MK1 #540Annapolis, MD Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:03:28 -0800 From: kevindrisc...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII Our new to us 30-2 started sounding a bit hollow and throwing some stream out of exist the other night so I opened the water pump Sunday and found this: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8N3E0cmJrYWwyTlE/edit?usp=docslist_api Only one of the fins appeared to be completely in tact So my questions are: (1) - What is the best toothed belt easily obtained as a replacement? (I read the Yanmar belts were less than stellar) (2) - How would you clean pullies before reassembly? (3) - 30 mk-2 ownersHow the h€ll does one tighten an alternator belt on the 2GM20 with the nut facing the back of the nut facing the stern and almost completely inaccessible. (4) - The throttle is painfully stiff to the point I almost need two hands to move it. Is there an easy lubrication point to get it moving again till I can replace the cable? Thanks everybody. Kevin s/v Osprey CC 30 mkII Pic from Thanksgiving: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8QWtlbGE2NzhYRzQ/edit?usp=docslist_api Sent from my Tablet ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck
Firefly (27 Mk III) did much better this year going to a new North 145%. Better point, better boat speed than with the older #1. From: Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 8:44:08 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Dwight We won our class in Chester this year. We also sailed a lot faster with the new #1 than the old one. In past years if we had breeze and could justify the #3 we did that at earliest possible minute and did much better in winds 15+ than in lighter wind. The old #1 we hated - we could never get it right because the draft was molded too far aft. We had to always run the jib halyard extremely tight just to get teh draft anywhere near where we wanted - also had to have forestay tension much higher than otherwise would be the case for same reason. The new #1 is just really really nice and a pleasure to trim. I have not heard Andrew swear at it once this year compared to the usual I hate this sail at least once during a race with the old one. Mind you the old one was likely a bit blown out. The main just looks pretty. It is very nice not to have to spend 40 minutes taping holes prior to a regatta or a major race, Despite that the old main still worked reasonably well but was still not as nice as the new one - because again it had lost some of its shape. Koob is in fact a pretty fast hull. Fun boat Mike crew Koobalibra CC115 59115 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck So did Koobalibra place better and win more often with the new inventory? From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: December 3, 2013 9:29 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Meant to put this as an aside on Sam's thread. New main and #1 on Koobalibra CC115 this past summer. The difference between these and the 6 year old sails is like high tech winter tires to bald tires in a snow storm From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Halyard Tension Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded me to ask a question of you racers out there: - I don’t race - only because there’s no-one racing on our lake. Although I have done a couple of Swiftsures. But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me! My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron sails 5 seasons ago. I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the same with the main too!) Now the question: Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135% genoa. I’m assuming I don’t adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don’t think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail. Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham adjustment will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption? If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails any different than the old Dacron sails? What new techniques do I need to absorb? Thanks, sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta . No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List halyards again( 10 aloft = 1 on the rail )
Add to that the fact that as the boat heels the weight on the rail is also getting closer to the center of mass for the boat I'd guess that at 63 deg heel the rail is likely dead overtop of the center of mass - and thereby providing zero counterbalance. Mark - Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) Bedford Chiropractic www.bedfordchiro.ca - There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 02/12/2013 9:42 PM, dre...@gmail.com wrote: I guess don't follow the adage of 10 aloft equals a man on the rail. While the mast to rail distance is a factor of 10, there is a sin(heel) factor for the aloft weight whereas it is a cos(heel) for the rail. That is, at zero heel any weight aloft is equal to zero on the rail. At 20 degrees heel, 10 lbs aloft is approximately 36 lbs on the rail. The heel would need to be 63 degrees before the 10 lbs aloft is equivalent to 200 lbs on the rail. Also, since all of the weight aloft is not at the head of the mast, it would seem that it is even less of an effect. Am I missing something? -- Paul Eugenio 1979 CC 29 mk1 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL - Subject: Re: Stus-List halyards again Message-ID: CAD+F8b+evHRag9d=l2my2lfsvo_whsqwbvsja-wuvbszubb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Hi David, ... The weight aloft does make a differenceI don't remember the numbers but 10 lbs aloft equals one man on the rail.or something like that !! Now, bear in mind that I am a recovering racer and have carbon main and headsails. Makes a difference and, after all, isn't your boat as special to you as any AC vessel. Niall Buckley. CC41 Ardea --- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle - now control handles
For anyone who might need them, I have a pair of new Edson pedestal mount engine control handles. Just the handles, not the assembly. Contact me off list if interested. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA From: dre...@gmail.com dre...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 9:18 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle Hi, I had a cable once that was also painfully stiff to a point that I broke the handle trying to move it. It turned out that cable housing was split at a point near the middle of the cable which allowed the inner cable to corrode at that location. A new cable and self-manufactured handle fixed it. You may want to check along the cable bends for split cable housings and replace. On another boat, I once saw a stiff cable caused by an over tight clamp near the injector. It was fixed just by loosening the clamp a bit. - Paul E. 1979 CC 29 Mk1 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Dec 3, 2013, at 9:07 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:03:28 -0800 From: kevindrisc...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20on cnc 30 mkII (4) - The throttle is painfully stiff to the point I almost need two hands to move it. Is there an easy lubrication point to get it moving again till I can replace the cable? Thanks everybody. Kevin s/v Osprey CC 30 mkII Pic from Thanksgiving: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8QWtlbGE2NzhYRzQ/edit?usp=docslist_api Sent from my Tablet ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Halyard Tension
While halyard tension doesn't affect draft as much on the sail as on a dacron sail, the tension does change the angle of attach of the jib entry. It will open and close with tension. Ron Wild Cheri On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:27 AM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Sam Draft still moves. Also some of us like to ease main halyard tension downwind and tighten upwind. On the CC115 with North 3DL we have always used halyard, cunningham, outhaul to adjust sail shape along with other controls as well. With the replacement of main and #1 with new 3DL this year we still continue to use these. On the #1 we do not adjust the tension as much as we used to with the old one. With teh main we do adjust as much as with the old one. Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Halyard Tension Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded me to ask a question of you racers out there: - I don’t race - only because there’s no-one racing on our lake. Although I have done a couple of Swiftsures. But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me! My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron sails 5 seasons ago. I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the same with the main too!) Now the question: Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135% genoa. I’m assuming I don’t adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don’t think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail. Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham adjustment will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption? If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails any different than the old Dacron sails? What new techniques do I need to absorb? Thanks, sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII
Thanks to the person who sent the info about the belt tensioner jack; I bought 3 of them! (one for me, others for Christmas presents...maybe...) Richard 1987 33-II and ...? Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9 Louisville, Kentucky 40220 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Aaron Rouhi admiralmag...@outlook.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Dec 3, 2013 10:28 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII Pretty nifty! Cheers, Aaron R. Admiral Maggie, 1979 CC 30 MK1 #540 Annapolis, MD Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 06:54:29 -0800 From: paradigmat...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII I would not be without this belt tensioning tool. I'm thinking of buying a couple more just in case the ones I have break. They are really hard to find. http://www.mscdirect.com/product/35438209?rItem=35438209 As for belts, several sources have told me that Gates makes the best belts, cogged or otherwise. On 3 December 2013 06:07, Aaron Rouhi admiralmag...@outlook.com wrote: 3) I don't own a belt tensioner so instead I use an Irwin Quick Grip Clamps/Spreader to tension it. Not ideal but it works... Cheers, Aaron R. Admiral Maggie, 1979 CC 30 MK1 #540 Annapolis, MD Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:03:28 -0800 From: kevindrisc...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII Our new to us 30-2 started sounding a bit hollow and throwing some stream out of exist the other night so I opened the water pump Sunday and found this: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8N3E0cmJrYWwyTlE/edit?usp=docslist_api Only one of the fins appeared to be completely in tact So my questions are: (1) - What is the best toothed belt easily obtained as a replacement? (I read the Yanmar belts were less than stellar) (2) - How would you clean pullies before reassembly? (3) - 30 mk-2 ownersHow the h€ll does one tighten an alternator belt on the 2GM20 with the nut facing the back of the nut facing the stern and almost completely inaccessible. (4) - The throttle is painfully stiff to the point I almost need two hands to move it. Is there an easy lubrication point to get it moving again till I can replace the cable? Thanks everybody. Kevin s/v Osprey CC 30 mkII Pic from Thanksgiving: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8QWtlbGE2NzhYRzQ/edit?usp=docslist_api Sent from my Tablet ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ his List is provided by the CC Photo Album ttp://www.cncphotoalbum.com nc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Derek's Open 60
Who was it on the list that was sailing From NS to the Caribbean, and which person on this picture? Any good stories? Did you sail on the Open 60, or another boat? https://gallery.mailchimp.com/f45b4eaf1242b41fcf6c5934b/images/IMG_147844559d.JPG “On November 16th, Derek and Chris departed Lunenburg on Spirit of Adventure with a full complement of aspiring offshore sailors. After 8 days and 20 hours, the exhausted but satisfied crew arrived in Antigua with a real sense of accomplishment having sailed 1700nm offshore on a very challenging grand prix sailboat. During the trip, the group encountered the Gulf Stream complete with 40 knot squalls, cold and extreme conditions.” Bill Coleman CC 39 image003.jpg___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List question for Secret Plans Graham
Graham Lost your email address. Can you tell me where you purchased your Vacuum Bagging kit and how much to expect to pay for one? Thanks Mike ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20
My stiff throttle turned out to be the throttle itself needing lubrication. After disconnecting the cable I sprayed pb blaster on the mechanism and worked it until it was freed up. Hope this helps Rob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII
Maybe it’s not a good idea but I use the pump handle from my Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster to tension the alternator belt which is right out front on the Universal M4-30…one less tool to carry on board _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts Sent: December 3, 2013 10:54 AM To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII I would not be without this belt tensioning tool. I'm thinking of buying a couple more just in case the ones I have break. They are really hard to find. http://www.mscdirect.com/product/35438209?rItem=35438209 As for belts, several sources have told me that Gates makes the best belts, cogged or otherwise. On 3 December 2013 06:07, Aaron Rouhi admiralmag...@outlook.com wrote: 3) I don't own a belt tensioner so instead I use an Irwin Quick Grip Clamps/Spreader to tension it. Not ideal but it works... Cheers, Aaron R. Admiral Maggie, 1979 CC 30 MK1 #540 Annapolis, MD _ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:03:28 -0800 From: kevindrisc...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII Our new to us 30-2 started sounding a bit hollow and throwing some stream out of exist the other night so I opened the water pump Sunday and found this: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8N3E0cmJrYWwyTlE/edit?usp=docslist_api Only one of the fins appeared to be completely in tact So my questions are: (1) - What is the best toothed belt easily obtained as a replacement? (I read the Yanmar belts were less than stellar) (2) - How would you clean pullies before reassembly? (3) - 30 mk-2 ownersHow the h€ll does one tighten an alternator belt on the 2GM20 with the nut facing the back of the nut facing the stern and almost completely inaccessible. (4) - The throttle is painfully stiff to the point I almost need two hands to move it. Is there an easy lubrication point to get it moving again till I can replace the cable? Thanks everybody. Kevin s/v Osprey CC 30 mkII Pic from Thanksgiving: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8QWtlbGE2NzhYRzQ/edit?usp=docslist_api Sent from my Tablet ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20
Disconnect from engine first and see if it is cable or something else. Mine was so stiff when got boat need two hands and could barely shut off engine at that. When disconnected cable worked smoothly. Cable hand extra length so made smooth loops instead of letting it lust take it's own shape and snake around. Works great now. PO had cable tied it in places which made hard spots. Smooth is good. Bill Walker. Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: Robert Gallagher trys...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 Date: Tue, Dec 3, 2013 2:46 PM My stiff throttle turned out to be the throttle itself needing lubrication. After disconnecting the cable I sprayed pb blaster on the mechanism and worked it until it was freed up. Hope this helps Rob___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck
Nothing quite like new sails on a boat.I got a new Doyle Dacron150 for my 27III to replace a bagged out No. 1 back in 2004 when I still had that boat and was still racing.remarkable improvement and especially going to weather.so when I got the 35 MKII it was not long before I splurged and got a new main and 135 for Alianna, never look back. except to see the bows of boats we roll going to weather _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of JOHN D IRVIN Sent: December 3, 2013 11:43 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Firefly (27 Mk III) did much better this year going to a new North 145%. Better point, better boat speed than with the older #1. From: Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 8:44:08 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Dwight We won our class in Chester this year. We also sailed a lot faster with the new #1 than the old one. In past years if we had breeze and could justify the #3 we did that at earliest possible minute and did much better in winds 15+ than in lighter wind. The old #1 we hated - we could never get it right because the draft was molded too far aft. We had to always run the jib halyard extremely tight just to get teh draft anywhere near where we wanted - also had to have forestay tension much higher than otherwise would be the case for same reason. The new #1 is just really really nice and a pleasure to trim. I have not heard Andrew swear at it once this year compared to the usual I hate this sail at least once during a race with the old one. Mind you the old one was likely a bit blown out. The main just looks pretty. It is very nice not to have to spend 40 minutes taping holes prior to a regatta or a major race, Despite that the old main still worked reasonably well but was still not as nice as the new one - because again it had lost some of its shape. Koob is in fact a pretty fast hull. Fun boat Mike crew Koobalibra CC115 59115 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck So did Koobalibra place better and win more often with the new inventory? From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: December 3, 2013 9:29 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Meant to put this as an aside on Sam's thread. New main and #1 on Koobalibra CC115 this past summer. The difference between these and the 6 year old sails is like high tech winter tires to bald tires in a snow storm From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Halyard Tension Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded me to ask a question of you racers out there: - I don't race - only because there's no-one racing on our lake. Although I have done a couple of Swiftsures. But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me! My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron sails 5 seasons ago. I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the same with the main too!) Now the question: Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135% genoa. I'm assuming I don't adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don't think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail. Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham adjustment will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption? If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails any different than the old Dacron sails? What new techniques do I need to absorb? Thanks, sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta . No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List fish hooks
if you have fish hooks in halyards it usually a sign to replace halyard or you screwed it up using itanyhow have used wire to rope halyards for over 40 years on custom cc 42...race cruise ..sail every week year round...long time in north carolina virginia carribean...now west coast bc...only replaced once when got new lighter weight mast..dont seem to have any problems...BUT EXIT BOXES must be lined up properly.. entrance to boxes done correctly..no line elongation..well maintained sail shapeonly adjustments gooseneck adjustment downhaul outhaul on main backstay sheets on headsail plus foot leach lineswe noticed a serious competitor # of years ago to spectra synthetic halyards on a cc 48 ..lasted less than a month of competative racingmost cc 48s,cc50s lot of 43s still racing...plus cc 54,s,61 all have gone back to wire to rope halyards plus local 38s in this area...large over lapping head sails put extreme loads on halyards..ONLY THING NEGATIVE WITH WIRE TO ROPE IS PRICE finding a well trained experienced splicermany of us use wilson yates located in newfoundland canada ...he was cc custom rigger plus many other mfgs.cs yachts ontario yachts..etc...have sailed plus 5 miles plus not counting motoringand would never race or go offshore without wire to rope halyardsany long distance offshore the wire will produce few surprises... ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List wire halyards
dwight is right on the mark re wire halyards sounds like his boat was set up correctly probably by cc custom rigger in oakville plant...many cc 35 mk1s out on west coast still using wire reel main halyard winches...especially the ones winning many races...i do not recommend them but certainly do the job...however wire still appears to do the job.best ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Question on CC 35 MKIII
1984 CC 35 MKIII - Is this boat solid or cored below the waterline? Erik From: cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 11:00 AM Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 95, Issue 13 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CnC-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: halyards again( 10 aloft = 1 on the rail ) (Dr. Mark Bodnar) 2. Re: Stiff throttle - now control handles (Dennis C.) 3. Re: Halyard Tension (Ronald B. Frerker) 4. Re: Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII (Richard N. Bush) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 11:44:58 -0400 From: Dr. Mark Bodnar drbod...@accesswave.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List halyards again( 10 aloft = 1 on the rail ) Message-ID: 529dfc7a.1000...@accesswave.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131203/f8f04503/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 07:45:51 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis C. capt...@yahoo.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle - now control handles Message-ID: 1386085551.45940.yahoomail...@web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 For anyone who might need them, I have a pair of new Edson pedestal mount engine control handles.? Just the handles, not the assembly.? Contact me off list if interested. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA From: dre...@gmail.com dre...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 9:18 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle Hi, I had a cable once that was also painfully stiff to a point that I broke the handle trying to move it. ? It turned out that cable housing was split at a point near the middle of the cable which allowed the inner cable to corrode at that location. ? A new cable and self-manufactured handle fixed it. ? ? ?You may want to check along the cable bends for split cable housings and replace. ? ? On another boat, I once saw a stiff cable caused by an over tight clamp near the injector. ?It was fixed just by loosening the clamp a bit.? - Paul E. 1979 CC 29 Mk1 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Dec 3, 2013, at 9:07 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:03:28 -0800 From:?kevindrisc...@gmail.com To:?cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20on cnc 30 mkII (4) - The throttle is painfully stiff to the point I almost need two hands to move it. Is there an easy ?lubrication point to get it moving again till I can replace the cable? Thanks everybody.? Kevin s/v Osprey? CC 30 mkII Pic from Thanksgiving:?https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8QWtlbGE2NzhYRzQ/edit?usp=docslist_api Sent from my Tablet ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131203/362681c9/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 08:37:02 -0800 (PST) From: Ronald B. Frerker rbfrer...@yahoo.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Halyard Tension Message-ID: 1386088622.52181.yahoomail...@web122901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 While halyard tension doesn't affect draft as much on the sail as on a dacron sail, the tension does change the angle of attach of the jib entry. ?It will open and close with tension. Ron Wild Cheri On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:27 AM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Sam ? Draft still moves.? Also some of us like to ease main halyard tension downwind and tighten upwind.? On the CC115 with North 3DL we have always used halyard, cunningham, outhaul to adjust sail shape along with other controls as well.? With the replacement of main and #1 with new 3DL this year we still continue to use these.? On the #1 we do not adjust the tension as much as we used to with the old one.? With teh main we do adjust as much as with the old one. ? ? Mike
Re: Stus-List Question on CC 35 MKIII
Eric, I have the same boat and the hull is cored below the waterline. Dave From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Erik Hillenmeyer Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 4:05 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Question on CC 35 MKIII 1984 CC 35 MKIII - Is this boat solid or cored below the waterline? Erik From: cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 11:00 AM Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 95, Issue 13 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CnC-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: halyards again( 10 aloft = 1 on the rail ) (Dr. Mark Bodnar) 2. Re: Stiff throttle - now control handles (Dennis C.) 3. Re: Halyard Tension (Ronald B. Frerker) 4. Re: Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII (Richard N. Bush) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 11:44:58 -0400 From: Dr. Mark Bodnar drbod...@accesswave.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List halyards again( 10 aloft = 1 on the rail ) Message-ID: 529dfc7a.1000...@accesswave.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131203/f8 f04503/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 07:45:51 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis C. capt...@yahoo.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle - now control handles Message-ID: 1386085551.45940.yahoomail...@web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 For anyone who might need them, I have a pair of new Edson pedestal mount engine control handles.? Just the handles, not the assembly.? Contact me off list if interested. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA From: dre...@gmail.com dre...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 9:18 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle Hi, I had a cable once that was also painfully stiff to a point that I broke the handle trying to move it. ? It turned out that cable housing was split at a point near the middle of the cable which allowed the inner cable to corrode at that location. ? A new cable and self-manufactured handle fixed it. ? ? ?You may want to check along the cable bends for split cable housings and replace. ? ? On another boat, I once saw a stiff cable caused by an over tight clamp near the injector. ?It was fixed just by loosening the clamp a bit.? - Paul E. 1979 CC 29 Mk1 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Dec 3, 2013, at 9:07 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:03:28 -0800 From:?kevindrisc...@gmail.com To:?cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20on cnc 30 mkII (4) - The throttle is painfully stiff to the point I almost need two hands to move it. Is there an easy ?lubrication point to get it moving again till I can replace the cable? Thanks everybody.? Kevin s/v Osprey? CC 30 mkII Pic from Thanksgiving:?https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8QWtlbGE2NzhYRzQ/ed it?usp=docslist_api Sent from my Tablet ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131203/36 2681c9/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 08:37:02 -0800 (PST) From: Ronald B. Frerker rbfrer...@yahoo.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Halyard Tension Message-ID: 1386088622.52181.yahoomail...@web122901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 While halyard tension doesn't affect draft as much on the sail as on a dacron sail, the tension does change the angle of attach of the jib entry. ?It will open and close with tension. Ron Wild Cheri On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:27 AM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Sam ? Draft still moves.? Also some of us like to ease main halyard tension downwind and tighten upwind.? On the CC115 with North 3DL we have always used halyard, cunningham, outhaul to adjust sail shape along with other controls as well.? With the replacement of main
Re: Stus-List wire/rope halyards
I have spliced wire/rope halyards. It's not difficult, but it's time consuming and hard on the hands. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List wire halyards
Calypso still has its wire reel main halyard winch. I recently purchased a donor winch for parts to replace one of the low speed gears. I'm even thinking of having the casing re-chromed to spruce it up. Much of the fear and loathing associated with the wire reel winches comes from safely handling high halyard loads. We reduced the loads significantly by installing a Harken Batt Car system. Raising, lowering and reefing the main are all more easily accomplished with the lower halyard loads. We also kept the wire to rope headsail halyards owing to the wires tolerance to long exposure of heavy #1 type loads. I figure saving a few pounds of weight 67' off the deck has a minimal effect on a 24,000 lb. boat compared to the risk of an un-timely halyard failure while sailing shorthanded. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Kelly Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List wire halyards dwight is right on the mark re wire halyards sounds like his boat was set up correctly probably by cc custom rigger in oakville plant...many cc 35 mk1s out on west coast still using wire reel main halyard winches...especially the ones winning many races...i do not recommend them but certainly do the job...however wire still appears to do the job.best ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII
The nice thing about the jack is that it leaves you two hands to do things with. With my Yanmar, I need both. I could actually use a third, and another eyeball on a stalk. But I digress... Remember to take it out before you start the motor, it makes a *really*loud noise if you leave it in place. On 3 December 2013 11:52, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it’s not a good idea but I use the pump handle from my Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster to tension the alternator belt which is right out front on the Universal M4-30…one less tool to carry on board -- *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Watts *Sent:* December 3, 2013 10:54 AM *To:* 1 CnC List *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII I would not be without this belt tensioning tool. I'm thinking of buying a couple more just in case the ones I have break. They are *really* hard to find. http://www.mscdirect.com/product/35438209?rItem=35438209 As for belts, several sources have told me that Gates makes the best belts, cogged or otherwise. On 3 December 2013 06:07, Aaron Rouhi admiralmag...@outlook.com wrote: 3) I don't own a belt tensioner so instead I use an Irwin Quick Grip Clamps/Spreader to tension it. Not ideal but it works... Cheers, Aaron R. Admiral Maggie, 1979 CC 30 MK1 #540 Annapolis, MD -- Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:03:28 -0800 From: kevindrisc...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII Our new to us 30-2 started sounding a bit hollow and throwing some stream out of exist the other night so I opened the water pump Sunday and found this: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8N3E0cmJrYWwyTlE/edit?usp=docslist_api Only one of the fins appeared to be completely in tact So my questions are: (1) - What is the best toothed belt easily obtained as a replacement? (I read the Yanmar belts were less than stellar) (2) - How would you clean pullies before reassembly? (3) - 30 mk-2 ownersHow the h€ll does one tighten an alternator belt on the 2GM20 with the nut facing the back of the nut facing the stern and almost completely inaccessible. (4) - The throttle is painfully stiff to the point I almost need two hands to move it. Is there an easy lubrication point to get it moving again till I can replace the cable? Thanks everybody. Kevin s/v Osprey CC 30 mkII Pic from Thanksgiving: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8QWtlbGE2NzhYRzQ/edit?usp=docslist_api Sent from my Tablet ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
Hi All. I bought the 32 two years ago, literally two years ago. I just got a letter from the ministry of finance asking for 13% of the purchase price. Do they expect me to hold onto that money for two years? is there no kind of right to a speedy trial clause except instead of trial something like right to a speedy robbery. ? I don't duck out of paying my fair share, I don't circumvent the rules but the government already collected sales tax on this boat! 33 years ago! So they make me wait two years and now they want payment within 60 days or …. If this information is not received within 60 days of the mailing date, an estimated assessment with interest compounded DAILY at the current rate from the date of purchase, may be issued yeah, that sounds reasonable Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Derek's Open 60
Hi Bill, that's me with the yellow jacket. We did not sail on the Open 60, but I did do a Halifax to Bermuda trip on the Open 60 with Derek in 2012. The boat was a Volvo 60, formerly Amer Sport One, now Spirit of Adventure. We sailed from Lunenburg to Antigua leaving Sat November 16th, arriving Monday Nov 25th. 9 days, 1700 nm, average speed was 8 knots. Max speed was 23 knots - quite amazing. Max speed I got to when driving was 18 knots, still amazingly fast. A number of folks have asked how it went and the best way I can describe it is - fantastic, difficult, fun, miserable, challenging and exhilarating all rolled together. Weather was generally agreeable except for the strong low which came out of Canada on Tues the 19th and whacked us for a day and half. We had a close to beam to broad reach in 20-25 knots of wind for about 1200 nm, about 6 days of the 9. Typically making 10-11 knots SOG, sometimes more, sometimes less. The joke aboard was -- 6 years of sailing experience - one tack. I appreciate all the great tips and advice from the listgroup beforehand, a lot of it was right on the mark. Staying dry was a challenge. I had two sets of foulies, a few folks brought 3, a few brought only 1. But 1, 2 or 3 didn't really matter, it was all wet after a while. 3 hour shifts on and 3 off for 9 days took some getting used to but wasn't too bad. We also had the pleasure of sailing with Chris Stanmore-Major, a former Clipper skipper who also completed the last Velux 5 oceans solo race. The boat is fast and safe, but wet. After many hours of surfing down big waves in 20-25 knots of wind, occasionally 30 to 35 knots, you get used to it, and when the wind drops below 25 knots it becomes a little dull and boring . . . Accommodations on the boat were sparse - I don't know how the VOR crews lived on the boat for as long as they did. 9 days was enough. A definite highlight of the trip - anyone ever seen a moonbow? It was amazing and contrary to what it says on Wikipedia you could see the colours in it. Would I do it again? Not any time soon, but eventually - yes. Just have to figure out how to tell my wife . . . Cheers, Steve Hood S/V Diamond Girl CC 34 Lions Head ON -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 12:29:36 -0500 From: Bill Coleman colt...@verizon.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Derek's Open 60 Message-ID: 19cf01cef04d$3e2e1ac0$ba8a5040$@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Who was it on the list that was sailing From NS to the Caribbean, and which person on this picture? Any good stories? Did you sail on the Open 60, or another boat? https://gallery.mailchimp.com/f45b4eaf1242b41fcf6c5934b/images/IMG_147844559 d.JPG ?On November 16th, Derek and Chris departed Lunenburg on Spirit of Adventure with a full complement of aspiring offshore sailors. After 8 days and 20 hours, the exhausted but satisfied crew arrived in Antigua with a real sense of accomplishment having sailed 1700nm offshore on a very challenging grand prix sailboat. During the trip, the group encountered the Gulf Stream complete with 40 knot squalls, cold and extreme conditions.? Bill Coleman CC 39 -- next part -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List halyards again( 10 aloft = 1 on the rail )
Mark; You are probably close in your surmise that the rail meat is very close to being directly over the center of mass of the boat when it reaches 63 degrees of heel. However, there is still a righting moment, though the moment arm is getting short. As it heels, the boat rotates around the center of buoyancy, not the center of mass. The center of buoyancy is above the center of mass (the closer they are when the mast is vertical, the more tender the boat. If the center of mass were above the center of buoyancy, the boat would turn turtle at the slightest provocation.) and the center of buoyancy moves to leeward as the boat heels because of the form stability of the hull. In more modern hulls than ours, with relatively flat bottoms and wide turn of the bilge carried from max beam to well aft, generate a lot of form stability. Hence the center of buoyancy moves quite a bit to leeward as the boat heels, while the center of mass moves some amount to windward. It is the lateral offset between centers of mass and buoyancy that provide resistance to heeling. Paul; I agree with your calculations, except that the length of the moment arms for the rail meat and the weight aloft need to be adjusted slightly to account for the leeward movement of the center of buoyancy. Add a few inches to the righting arm of the rail meat, and subtract the same number of inches from righting arm of the weight aloft. So at 20 degrees of heel, the 10 pounds aloft might have the same effect as 38 or 39 pounds on the rail. Now Ive not looked into purchasing any high tech halyards for my 38. What I have (7/16 Cajun XLE) is large enough in diameter to have a good hand and to not creep in the rope clutch. I have a Barient 27 halyard winch to preload luff of the main to 500 pounds or so and take up the stretch in the line when the wind is strong, and I really dont want to put much more load than that on the 3/16ths or ¼ inch Dacron cord that reinforces the luff of the main. If I trim the vang and the traveler right the load on the main from a gust of wind isnt going to change by all that much to generate more than an inch or two of additional, transitory stretch in the halyard. But I have recently purchased floating, high tech spin sheets. They needed to be about the same diameter as the old sheets in order to have acceptable hand and work on the winch drums. My floating lines are way stronger than they need to be, and consequently have no stretch (which, unfortunately, you kind of want in spin sheets). What I found is that the high tech, floating line was more than twice as strong as the old sheets, but only about 4 pounds lighter for 100 feet of line. So the saving for my main halyard would be around 2 pounds. If I went from 7/16ths XLE double braid to 3/8ths Spectra core the strength doubles, the stretch goes from 12 (@ 1300 pounds of load) to about 3, the halyard costs about $60 more, and the weight savings is about 3 pounds. The way I sail, I dont see that much value. In my experience the racers who salivate over decreasing weight aloft tend to be the same guys who have toothbrushes with the handle cut short, and who leave the seat cushions, locker covers, power cord, and all the beer and ice at the dock in order to save weight. Not that I think they are wrong, its just that we have a different perspective than I do. Maybe I should think about keeping a cooler full of ice and beer on deck, so it can be moved to the high side of the boat to offset the extra weight of halyards aloft. Now theres an idea that should make the crew happy. Rick Brass From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:45 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List halyards again( 10 aloft = 1 on the rail ) Add to that the fact that as the boat heels the weight on the rail is also getting closer to the center of mass for the boat I'd guess that at 63 deg heel the rail is likely dead overtop of the center of mass - and thereby providing zero counterbalance. Mark - Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) Bedford Chiropractic www.bedfordchiro.ca - There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 02/12/2013 9:42 PM, dre...@gmail.com wrote: I guess don't follow the adage of 10 aloft equals a man on the rail. While the mast to rail distance is a factor of 10, there is a sin(heel) factor for the aloft weight whereas it is a cos(heel) for the rail. That is, at zero heel any weight aloft is equal to zero on the rail. At 20 degrees heel, 10 lbs aloft is approximately 36 lbs on the rail. The heel would need to be 63 degrees before the 10 lbs aloft is equivalent to 200 lbs on the rail. Also, since all of the weight aloft is not at the head of the mast, it would seem that it is even less of an effect. Am I missing something? -- Paul
Stus-List Pedestal Engine control handles
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Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yanmar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII
By whatever means you use to tension the belt, do not over tension. I do not have my manual before me but I am certain Yanmar directs that the belt be tensioned only to the point where it can be deflected about 1/2 inch. I had rebuilt a water pump on a 2 QM15 Yanmar, overtightened the belt, and had the pump's shaft ream out the fitted whole in the pump's pulley and then have the shaft destroyed (rounded off) where it was to match with the pully. Took probably less than an hour of operation for the damage to be done. Ed CC 34 Briar Patch New Orleans, La. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:45 PM To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII The nice thing about the jack is that it leaves you two hands to do things with. With my Yanmar, I need both. I could actually use a third, and another eyeball on a stalk. But I digress... Remember to take it out before you start the motor, it makes a really loud noise if you leave it in place. On 3 December 2013 11:52, dwight dwight...@gmail.commailto:dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it’s not a good idea but I use the pump handle from my Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster to tension the alternator belt which is right out front on the Universal M4-30…one less tool to carry on board From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts Sent: December 3, 2013 10:54 AM To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII I would not be without this belt tensioning tool. I'm thinking of buying a couple more just in case the ones I have break. They are really hard to find. http://www.mscdirect.com/product/35438209?rItem=35438209 As for belts, several sources have told me that Gates makes the best belts, cogged or otherwise. On 3 December 2013 06:07, Aaron Rouhi admiralmag...@outlook.commailto:admiralmag...@outlook.com wrote: 3) I don't own a belt tensioner so instead I use an Irwin Quick Grip Clamps/Spreader to tension it. Not ideal but it works... Cheers, Aaron R. Admiral Maggie, 1979 CC 30 MK1 #540 Annapolis, MD Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:03:28 -0800 From: kevindrisc...@gmail.commailto:kevindrisc...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII Our new to us 30-2 started sounding a bit hollow and throwing some stream out of exist the other night so I opened the water pump Sunday and found this: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8N3E0cmJrYWwyTlE/edit?usp=docslist_api Only one of the fins appeared to be completely in tact So my questions are: (1) - What is the best toothed belt easily obtained as a replacement? (I read the Yanmar belts were less than stellar) (2) - How would you clean pullies before reassembly? (3) - 30 mk-2 ownersHow the h€ll does one tighten an alternator belt on the 2GM20 with the nut facing the back of the nut facing the stern and almost completely inaccessible. (4) - The throttle is painfully stiff to the point I almost need two hands to move it. Is there an easy lubrication point to get it moving again till I can replace the cable? Thanks everybody. Kevin s/v Osprey CC 30 mkII Pic from Thanksgiving: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8QWtlbGE2NzhYRzQ/edit?usp=docslist_api Sent from my Tablet ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yanmar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII
Good advice. I replaced a water pump on a Yanmar on a J30 with exactly the same issue. Dennis C. From: Ed Levert elev...@grayinsco.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yanmar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII By whatever means you use to tension the belt, do not over tension. I do not have my manual before me but I am certain Yanmar directs that the belt be tensioned only to the point where it can be deflected about 1/2 inch. I had rebuilt a water pump on a 2 QM15 Yanmar, overtightened the belt, and had the pump's shaft ream out the fitted whole in the pump's pulley and then have the shaft destroyed (rounded off) where it was to match with the pully. Took probably less than an hour of operation for the damage to be done. Ed CC 34 Briar Patch New Orleans, La. From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:45 PM To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII The nice thing about the jack is that it leaves you two hands to do things with. With my Yanmar, I need both. I could actually use a third, and another eyeball on a stalk. But I digress... Remember to take it out before you start the motor, it makes a really loud noise if you leave it in place. On 3 December 2013 11:52, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it’s not a good idea but I use the pump handle from my Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster to tension the alternator belt which is right out front on the Universal M4-30…one less tool to carry on board From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts Sent: December 3, 2013 10:54 AM To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII I would not be without this belt tensioning tool. I'm thinking of buying a couple more just in case the ones I have break. They are really hard to find. http://www.mscdirect.com/product/35438209?rItem=35438209 As for belts, several sources have told me that Gates makes the best belts, cogged or otherwise. On 3 December 2013 06:07, Aaron Rouhi admiralmag...@outlook.com wrote: 3) I don't own a belt tensioner so instead I use an Irwin Quick Grip Clamps/Spreader to tension it. Not ideal but it works... Cheers, Aaron R. Admiral Maggie, 1979 CC 30 MK1 #540 Annapolis, MD Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:03:28 -0800 From: kevindrisc...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII Our new to us 30-2 started sounding a bit hollow and throwing some stream out of exist the other night so I opened the water pump Sunday and found this: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8N3E0cmJrYWwyTlE/edit?usp=docslist_api Only one of the fins appeared to be completely in tact So my questions are: (1) - What is the best toothed belt easily obtained as a replacement? (I read the Yanmar belts were less than stellar) (2) - How would you clean pullies before reassembly? (3) - 30 mk-2 ownersHow the h€ll does one tighten an alternator belt on the 2GM20 with the nut facing the back of the nut facing the stern and almost completely inaccessible. (4) - The throttle is painfully stiff to the point I almost need two hands to move it. Is there an easy lubrication point to get it moving again till I can replace the cable? Thanks everybody. Kevin s/v Osprey CC 30 mkII Pic from Thanksgiving: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8QWtlbGE2NzhYRzQ/edit?usp=docslist_api Sent from my Tablet ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stiff throttle and belt recommendations for Yamar 2GM20 on cnc 30 mkII
Take your eyeball out before doing anything noisy or smelly. Rich On Dec 3, 2013, at 17:44, Jim Watts paradigmat...@gmail.com wrote: and another eyeball on a stalk. But I digress... Remember to take it out before you start the motor, it makes a really loud noise if you leave it in place. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
Sounds like they would get along great with the government of the great commonwealth of Virginia. John Sent from my iPad On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I bought the 32 two years ago, literally two years ago. I just got a letter from the ministry of finance asking for 13% of the purchase price. Do they expect me to hold onto that money for two years? is there no kind of right to a speedy trial clause except instead of trial something like right to a speedy robbery. ? I don't duck out of paying my fair share, I don't circumvent the rules but the government already collected sales tax on this boat! 33 years ago! So they make me wait two years and now they want payment within 60 days or …. If this information is not received within 60 days of the mailing date, an estimated assessment with interest compounded DAILY at the current rate from the date of purchase, may be issued yeah, that sounds reasonable Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
If you bought the boat in USA and brought to Canada you pay the tax at the border on entry. And don't feel so bad. It is 15% here Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 5:57 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat Hi All. I bought the 32 two years ago, literally two years ago. I just got a letter from the ministry of finance asking for 13% of the purchase price. Do they expect me to hold onto that money for two years? is there no kind of right to a speedy trial clause except instead of trial something like right to a speedy robbery. ? I don't duck out of paying my fair share, I don't circumvent the rules but the government already collected sales tax on this boat! 33 years ago! So they make me wait two years and now they want payment within 60 days or If this information is not received within 60 days of the mailing date, an estimated assessment with interest compounded DAILY at the current rate from the date of purchase, may be issued yeah, that sounds reasonable Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
We are the bureaucrats. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. Seven of Seven From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 3:57 PM Subject: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat Hi All. I bought the 32 two years ago, literally two years ago. I just got a letter from the ministry of finance asking for 13% of the purchase price. Do they expect me to hold onto that money for two years? is there no kind of right to a speedy trial clause except instead of trial something like right to a speedy robbery. ? I don't duck out of paying my fair share, I don't circumvent the rules but the government already collected sales tax on this boat! 33 years ago! So they make me wait two years and now they want payment within 60 days or …. If this information is not received within 60 days of the mailing date, an estimated assessment with interest compounded DAILY at the current rate from the date of purchase, may be issued yeah, that sounds reasonable Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
The boat was bought and sold in Canada, through a broker. The broker handled the transfer of the license. It's a 33 year old boat. I'm seriously asking how this is justified, I'm sure there is some justification (not sure that it'll be logical), but hey .. I'de like to know. The government collects sales tax on the same thing multiple times? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On 2013-12-03, at 5:11 PM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: If you bought the boat in USA and brought to Canada you pay the tax at the border on entry. And don't feel so bad. It is 15% here Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 5:57 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat Hi All. I bought the 32 two years ago, literally two years ago. I just got a letter from the ministry of finance asking for 13% of the purchase price. Do they expect me to hold onto that money for two years? is there no kind of right to a speedy trial clause except instead of trial something like right to a speedy robbery. ? I don't duck out of paying my fair share, I don't circumvent the rules but the government already collected sales tax on this boat! 33 years ago! So they make me wait two years and now they want payment within 60 days or If this information is not received within 60 days of the mailing date, an estimated assessment with interest compounded DAILY at the current rate from the date of purchase, may be issued yeah, that sounds reasonable Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
Steve — it’s probably not much consolation, but isn’t the sales tax charged on the sales transaction, not on the item being sold? I know that when you buy a used car here in Minnesota, every time the car changes hands there’s sales tax involved. The state gets its due… sigh Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: The boat was bought and sold in Canada, through a broker. The broker handled the transfer of the license. It's a 33 year old boat. I'm seriously asking how this is justified, I'm sure there is some justification (not sure that it'll be logical), but hey .. I'de like to know. The government collects sales tax on the same thing multiple times? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
Hi Steve It is the responsibility of the purchaser to pay the sales tax on the purchase. The broker should make sure you understand that, and maybe tell you what office to contact. Yes, the government will happily collect sales tax on the same item multiple times - and I agree that it sucks! But that is the law... They probably got onto you because of the license transfer. Just took them 2 years to get to it. Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2013-12-03 6:19 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: The boat was bought and sold in Canada, through a broker. The broker handled the transfer of the license. It's a 33 year old boat. I'm seriously asking how this is justified, I'm sure there is some justification (not sure that it'll be logical), but hey .. I'de like to know. The government collects sales tax on the same thing multiple times? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On 2013-12-03, at 5:11 PM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: If you bought the boat in USA and brought to Canada you pay the tax at the border on entry. And don't feel so bad. It is 15% here Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 5:57 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat Hi All. I bought the 32 two years ago, literally two years ago. I just got a letter from the ministry of finance asking for 13% of the purchase price. Do they expect me to hold onto that money for two years? is there no kind of right to a speedy trial clause except instead of trial something like right to a speedy robbery. ? I don't duck out of paying my fair share, I don't circumvent the rules but the government already collected sales tax on this boat! 33 years ago! So they make me wait two years and now they want payment within 60 days or If this information is not received within 60 days of the mailing date, an estimated assessment with interest compounded DAILY at the current rate from the date of purchase, may be issued yeah, that sounds reasonable Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
Steve: You are Canadian, right? There is no free lunch. What happens when cars are bought and sold, even privately? Govt always gets our money. Now, if you bought your boat privately, no broker involved, you might get away without paying the tax. As long as you didn't register or license (don't know which) your boat with MOT. Consider yourself lucky that your CC 32 was built in Canada and you don't have to pay 'duty'. Bob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2013/12/03 6:19 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: The boat was bought and sold in Canada, through a broker. The broker handled the transfer of the license. It's a 33 year old boat. I'm seriously asking how this is justified, I'm sure there is some justification (not sure that it'll be logical), but hey .. I'de like to know. The government collects sales tax on the same thing multiple times? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On 2013-12-03, at 5:11 PM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: If you bought the boat in USA and brought to Canada you pay the tax at the border on entry. And don't feel so bad. It is 15% here Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 5:57 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat Hi All. I bought the 32 two years ago, literally two years ago. I just got a letter from the ministry of finance asking for 13% of the purchase price. Do they expect me to hold onto that money for two years? is there no kind of right to a speedy trial clause except instead of trial something like right to a speedy robbery. ? I don't duck out of paying my fair share, I don't circumvent the rules but the government already collected sales tax on this boat! 33 years ago! So they make me wait two years and now they want payment within 60 days or If this information is not received within 60 days of the mailing date, an estimated assessment with interest compounded DAILY at the current rate from the date of purchase, may be issued yeah, that sounds reasonable Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List in canada the purchaser is responcible to see taxes are paid
you can hope they will miss you as far as taxes go.not a chance.pay up quickly...before they seize the boatthen you have real problems trying to get it back..before goes to highest bidder plus tax...this is revenue canada ..not accountable to any authoritynot my friends but have seen what have done to others.warn you ..then suddenly sieze asset without any warning...@off to asset disposal dept.you then can owe the value of boat plus costs..plus have lost all claims to assetthey are mean gtreedy doing there jobs . suspect sometimes enjoy it...move quickly ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck
The main difference is that the new sails dont stretch and their shape is factory engineered. You will still adjust mail and genoa halyard tension according to conditions. You will likely not ever require a Cunningham ever again. Have Fun. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Meant to put this as an aside on Sam's thread. New main and #1 on Koobalibra CC115 this past summer. The difference between these and the 6 year old sails is like high tech winter tires to bald tires in a snow storm -- *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of * sam.c.sal...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Halyard Tension Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded me to ask a question of you racers out there: - I don’t race - only because there’s no-one racing on our lake. Although I have done a couple of Swiftsures. But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me! My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron sails 5 seasons ago. I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the same with the main too!) Now the question: Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135% genoa. I’m assuming I don’t adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don’t think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail. Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham adjustment will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption? If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails any different than the old Dacron sails? What new techniques do I need to absorb? Thanks, sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
Fred: exactly! No whining!! Rich On Dec 3, 2013, at 18:51, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net wrote: Steve — it’s probably not much consolation, but isn’t the sales tax charged on the sales transaction, not on the item being sold? I know that when you buy a used car here in Minnesota, every time the car changes hands there’s sales tax involved. The state gets its due… sigh Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: The boat was bought and sold in Canada, through a broker. The broker handled the transfer of the license. It's a 33 year old boat. I'm seriously asking how this is justified, I'm sure there is some justification (not sure that it'll be logical), but hey .. I'de like to know. The government collects sales tax on the same thing multiple times? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck
If the shape is factory engineered, and they don't stretch, what is adjusting halyard tension going to do?Tensioning the halyards on the old sails stretched the Dacron on the bias and moved the draft forward. It can't do that on the kryptonite one!A bit more explaining please!sam :-) From: niall buckleySent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 4:31 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails SuckThe main difference is that the new sails dont stretch and their shape is factory engineered.You will still adjust mail and genoa halyard tension according to conditions. You will likelynot ever require a Cunningham ever again. Have Fun.On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Meant to put this as an aside on Sam's thread. New main and #1 on Koobalibra CC115 this past summer. The difference between these and the 6 year old sails is like high tech winter tires to bald tires in a snow storm From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.comSent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Stus-List Halyard Tension Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded me to ask a question of you racers out there: - I don’t race - only because there’s no-one racing on our lake. Although I have done a couple of Swiftsures. But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me! My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron sails 5 seasons ago. I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the same with the main too!) Now the question: Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135% genoa. I’m assuming I don’t adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don’t think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail. Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham adjustment will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption? If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails any different than the old Dacron sails? What new techniques do I need to absorb? Thanks, sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
It's a small price to pay for living in the best country in the world. If it was free the place would be full-to-bursting!(lights blue touchpaper and stand clear! )sam :-) From: Rich KnowlesSent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 4:39 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boatFred: exactly! No whining!!RichOn Dec 3, 2013, at 18:51, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net wrote:Steve — it’s probably not much consolation, but isn’t the sales tax charged on the sales transaction, not on the item being sold? I know that when you buy a used car here in Minnesota, every time the car changes hands there’s sales tax involved. The state gets its due… sigh Fred Street -- MinneapolisS/VOceanis(1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI:^( On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote:The boat was bought and sold in Canada, through a broker. The broker handled the transfer of the license.It's a 33 year old boat. I'm seriously asking how this is justified, I'm sure there is some justification (not sure that it'll be logical), but hey .. I'de like to know. The government collects sales tax on the same thing multiple times?SteveSuhana, CC 32Toronto___This List is provided by the CC Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comCnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
No boat tax here in Hampton VA! Jake Jake Brodersen “Midnight Mistress” CC 35 Mk-III Hampton VA -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of j...@svpaws.net Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 5:10 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat Sounds like they would get along great with the government of the great commonwealth of Virginia. John ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
Can I remind everyone that taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society. Oh wait, we're talking about Canada. Never mind. Sorry - couldn't resist. John Sent from my iPad On Dec 3, 2013, at 6:38 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: Fred: exactly! No whining!! Rich On Dec 3, 2013, at 18:51, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net wrote: Steve — it’s probably not much consolation, but isn’t the sales tax charged on the sales transaction, not on the item being sold? I know that when you buy a used car here in Minnesota, every time the car changes hands there’s sales tax involved. The state gets its due… sigh Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: The boat was bought and sold in Canada, through a broker. The broker handled the transfer of the license. It's a 33 year old boat. I'm seriously asking how this is justified, I'm sure there is some justification (not sure that it'll be logical), but hey .. I'de like to know. The government collects sales tax on the same thing multiple times? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck
Sam, If you are really interested in this,(and you should be, if you want to get the most pleasure from sailing your vessel), find a copy of sail power. Halyard tension, backstay,lead position,boom downhaul etc are the gears that accelerate your boat. I'm writing on Wellness and Anti Aging now, so find the Book. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:05 PM, sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote: If the shape is factory engineered, and they don't stretch, what is adjusting halyard tension going to do? Tensioning the halyards on the old sails stretched the Dacron on the bias and moved the draft forward. It can't do that on the kryptonite one! A bit more explaining please! sam :-) *From: *niall buckley *Sent: *Tuesday, December 3, 2013 4:31 PM *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Reply To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck The main difference is that the new sails dont stretch and their shape is factory engineered. You will still adjust mail and genoa halyard tension according to conditions. You will likely not ever require a Cunningham ever again. Have Fun. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Meant to put this as an aside on Sam's thread. New main and #1 on Koobalibra CC115 this past summer. The difference between these and the 6 year old sails is like high tech winter tires to bald tires in a snow storm -- *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of * sam.c.sal...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Halyard Tension Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded me to ask a question of you racers out there: - I don’t race - only because there’s no-one racing on our lake. Although I have done a couple of Swiftsures. But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me! My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron sails 5 seasons ago. I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the same with the main too!) Now the question: Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135% genoa. I’m assuming I don’t adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don’t think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail. Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham adjustment will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption? If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails any different than the old Dacron sails? What new techniques do I need to absorb? Thanks, sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Impeller link to photo
Apologies for my links not working. You should be able to see impeller and Osprey's stern here at dropbox: https://db.tt/PcqiFwLs Thanks for helpful info. Going to buy one of those belt tension jacks for sure! Kevin 30-2 Sent from a mobile device. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck
I've got the book, one of many, and I understand and am an obsessive sail trimer. What I don't understand, yet, is what pulling the halyard on a sail that doesn't stretch do?sam :-) From: niall buckleySent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 5:59 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails SuckSam,If you are really interested in this,(and you should be, if you want to get the most pleasure from sailing your vessel),find a copy of "sail power".Halyard tension, backstay,lead position,boom downhaul etc are the gears that accelerate your boat. I'm writing on Wellness and Anti Aging now, so find the Book.On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:05 PM, sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote: If the shape is factory engineered, and they don't stretch, what is adjusting halyard tension going to do? Tensioning the halyards on the old sails stretched the Dacron on the bias and moved the draft forward. It can't do that on the kryptonite one! A bit more explaining please! sam :-) From: niall buckleySent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 4:31 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck The main difference is that the new sails dont stretch and their shape is factory engineered.You will still adjust mail and genoa halyard tension according to conditions. You will likely not ever require a Cunningham ever again. Have Fun.On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Meant to put this as an aside on Sam's thread. New main and #1 on Koobalibra CC115 this past summer. The difference between these and the 6 year old sails is like high tech winter tires to bald tires in a snow storm From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.comSent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Stus-List Halyard Tension Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded me to ask a question of you racers out there: - I don’t race - only because there’s no-one racing on our lake. Although I have done a couple of Swiftsures. But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me! My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron sails 5 seasons ago. I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the same with the main too!) Now the question: Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135% genoa. I’m assuming I don’t adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don’t think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail. Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham adjustment will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption? If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails any different than the old Dacron sails? What new techniques do I need to absorb? Thanks, sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Impeller link to photo
Kevin, Change the hose. It's beginning to bulge. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA From: Kevin Driscoll kevindrisc...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:39 PM Subject: Stus-List Impeller link to photo Apologies for my links not working. You should be able to see impeller and Osprey's stern here at dropbox: https://db.tt/PcqiFwLs Thanks for helpful info. Going to buy one of those belt tension jacks for sure! Kevin 30-2 Sent from a mobile device. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck
Under load or in a puff the halyard will stretch and loosen the luff causing the draught to move aft. The greater the load (more wind) the more stretch, exactly the opposite of what you want as a racer. On the other hand, for a cruiser, stretch in a puff will take some of the pressure off the sail causing less wear and longer life for the sail and allow some spillage of air if the sheets stretch as well. Jerry CC 27 V. -Original Message- From: sam.c.salter sam.c.sal...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Dec 3, 2013 9:06 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck I've got the book, one of many, and I understand and am an obsessive sail trimer. What I don't understand, yet, is what pulling the halyard on a sail that doesn't stretch do? sam :-) From: niall buckley Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 5:59 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Sam, If you are really interested in this,(and you should be, if you want to get the most pleasure from sailing your vessel), find a copy of sail power. Halyard tension, backstay,lead position,boom downhaul etc are the gears that accelerate your boat. I'm writing on Wellness and Anti Aging now, so find the Book. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:05 PM, sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote: If the shape is factory engineered, and they don't stretch, what is adjusting halyard tension going to do? Tensioning the halyards on the old sails stretched the Dacron on the bias and moved the draft forward. It can't do that on the kryptonite one! A bit more explaining please! sam :-) From: niall buckley Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 4:31 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck The main difference is that the new sails dont stretch and their shape is factory engineered. You will still adjust mail and genoa halyard tension according to conditions. You will likely not ever require a Cunningham ever again. Have Fun. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Meant to put this as an aside on Sam's thread. New main and #1 on Koobalibra CC115 this past summer. The difference between these and the 6 year old sails is like high tech winter tires to bald tires in a snow storm From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Halyard Tension Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded me to ask a question of you racers out there: - I don’t race - only because there’s no-one racing on our lake. Although I have done a couple of Swiftsures. But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me! My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron sails 5 seasons ago. I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the same with the main too!) Now the question: Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135% genoa. I’m assuming I don’t adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don’t think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail. Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham adjustment will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption? If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails any different than the old Dacron sails? What new techniques do I need to absorb? Thanks, sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album
Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck
Sam, Think of it this way, not pulling it causes it to relax. :) Seriously, in light breeze you may want a few wrinkles in the luff. Try it and see. Evven if it's carbon, the warp and weave of the cloth may be at slight angles to the loads. Those small angles will allow a bit of stretch. I still adjust my Kevlar/Mylar genoa and see a difference in the location of max draft. Dennis C. Touche' 35=1 #83 Mandeville, LA From: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com sam.c.sal...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck I've got the book, one of many, and I understand and am an obsessive sail trimer. What I don't understand, yet, is what pulling the halyard on a sail that doesn't stretch do? sam :-) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck
But I've got high tech halyards, they have less stretch than wire. Is this still necessary?Also, will the draft move at all in a high tech sail?(I'm not arguing, just trying to get my head around it.)sam :-) From: Jerome TauberSent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:16 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails SuckUnder load or in a puff the halyard will stretch and loosen the luff causing the draught to move aft. The greater the load (more wind) the more stretch, exactly the opposite of what you want as a racer. On the other hand, for a cruiser, stretch in a puff will take some of the pressure off the sail causing less wear and longer life for the sail and allow some spillage of air if the sheets stretch as well. Jerry CC 27 V. -Original Message- From: sam.c.salter sam.c.sal...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Dec 3, 2013 9:06 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck I've got the book, one of many, and I understand and am an obsessive sail trimer. What I don't understand, yet, is what pulling the halyard on a sail that doesn't stretch do? sam :-) From: niall buckley Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 5:59 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Sam, If you are really interested in this,(and you should be, if you want to get the most pleasure from sailing your vessel), find a copy of "sail power". Halyard tension, backstay,lead position,boom downhaul etc are the gears that accelerate your boat. I'm writing on Wellness and Anti Aging now, so find the Book. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:05 PM, sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote: If the shape is factory engineered, and they don't stretch, what is adjusting halyard tension going to do? Tensioning the halyards on the old sails stretched the Dacron on the bias and moved the draft forward. It can't do that on the kryptonite one! A bit more explaining please! sam :-) From: niall buckley Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 4:31 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck The main difference is that the new sails dont stretch and their shape is factory engineered. You will still adjust mail and genoa halyard tension according to conditions. You will likely not ever require a Cunningham ever again. Have Fun. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Meant to put this as an aside on Sam's thread. New main and #1 on Koobalibra CC115 this past summer. The difference between these and the 6 year old sails is like high tech winter tires to bald tires in a snow storm From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Halyard Tension Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded me to ask a question of you racers out there: - I don’t race - only because there’s no-one racing on our lake. Although I have done a couple of Swiftsures. But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me! My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable genoa
Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
Dave, I thought I had the only 26 in Alberta! Where are you - Cold Lake? Sam Salter CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta sam :-) From: David Donnelly Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 6:05 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com I think this varies by province and some require certain items such as boats are taxed each time they change hands. BC I know has this same arrangement. Glad I live in Alberta we aren't subject to this kind of tax on boats. Only GST if bought new. If you bought from a broker I don't understand why they aren't responsible to collect and remit this tax. Dave CC 26 Mistress Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: dwight dwight...@gmail.com Date: 12-03-2013 5:45 PM (GMT-07:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat You owe the tax, even if they got you 4 years after you bought the boat, if you can't prove that you paid tax they got you, I have a friend who was asked last year by the NS gov't to prove that he paid the tax on his boat that he bought 14 years ago...save your receipts -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: December 3, 2013 5:57 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat Hi All. I bought the 32 two years ago, literally two years ago. I just got a letter from the ministry of finance asking for 13% of the purchase price. Do they expect me to hold onto that money for two years? is there no kind of right to a speedy trial clause except instead of trial something like right to a speedy robbery. ? I don't duck out of paying my fair share, I don't circumvent the rules but the government already collected sales tax on this boat! 33 years ago! So they make me wait two years and now they want payment within 60 days or .. If this information is not received within 60 days of the mailing date, an estimated assessment with interest compounded DAILY at the current rate from the date of purchase, may be issued yeah, that sounds reasonable Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Impeller link to photo
Some one already mentioned it but, make sure you find all of the little pieces of rubber from the impeller. Hopefully none of them made it past the heat exchanger. You might find a shop-vac helpful. Josh On Dec 3, 2013 8:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll kevindrisc...@gmail.com wrote: Apologies for my links not working. You should be able to see impeller and Osprey's stern here at dropbox: https://db.tt/PcqiFwLs Thanks for helpful info. Going to buy one of those belt tension jacks for sure! Kevin 30-2 Sent from a mobile device. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Barient# 10 winch
John, the Barient 22s have got my attention. My mkV came with 18s and I find them slightly under powered when I'm in the should be putting up the 100 zone. I happen to have a couple of Barient 10s sitting around that I was going to add to the cabin top arrangement. One unfortunately has a crack in the uppermost portion but the other is perfect. They are 1984 black ones of whatever Dwarfian material they are made of. Let me know what you want for the 22s. Are they 2 speed? Brent Driedger CC 27-V Frozen Lake Winnipeg. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:19 PM, John Russo johnrussob...@optonline.net wrote: Paul, Thanks for the response. The16 is a bit too big for the job and the space available but I will keep it in mind for any future applications. I will soon have a couple of Barient 22’s on my hands that I am replacing with Lewmar ST 40 EVO winches. John From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Baker Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:57 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Barient# 10 winch I have a pair of stainless Barient 16 I want to sell, bigger is always better :) On 13-11-30 05:31 PM, John Russo wrote: I am looking for a vintage 1984 or later Barient #10 winch to match the mainsheet winch on my 1984 CC 32 located on my cabin top port side. I intend to use the 2nd winch on the starboard cabin top aft of the traveler. I had a 2nd or 3rd hand Barient #10P there which did not do the job. It is for multipurpose use to be positioned aft of a Lewmar triple clutch for my main halyard , outhaul, and Vang. The #10 that I have on the Port cabin top measures 43/8 at the base and is 33/4 tall. It is greyish-Maroon in color and I assume Aluminum as the 1984 -32 spec calls that out. I have checked out Ebay and there are some #10’s listed but none with the above dimensions or AL. Any suggestions as to where I can find one? Thanks John Arpeggio Norwalk CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck
I believe wire is the benchmark. All manmade line materials stretch slightly more than wire. Do your research. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Atlantic City, NJ - Original Message - From: sam c salter sam.c.sal...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 9:28:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck But I've got high tech halyards, they have less stretch than wire. Is this still necessary? Also, will the draft move at all in a high tech sail? (I'm not arguing, just trying to get my head around it.) sam :-) From: Jerome Tauber Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Un der load or in a puff the halyard will stretch and loosen the luff causing the draught to move aft. The greater the load (more wind) the more stretch, exactly the opposite of what you want as a racer. On the other hand, for a cruiser, stretch in a puff will take some of the pressure off the sail causing less wear and longer life for the sail and allow some spillage of air if the sheets stretch as well. Jerry CC 27 V. -Original Message- From: sam.c.salter sam.c.sal...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Dec 3, 2013 9:06 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck I've got the book, one of many, and I understand and am an obsessive sail trimer. What I don't understand, yet, is what pulling the halyard on a sail that doesn't stretch do? sam :-) From: niall buckley Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 5:59 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Sam, If you are really interested in this,(and you should be, if you want to get the most pleasure from sailing your vessel), find a copy of sail power. Halyard tension, backstay,lead position,boom downhaul etc are the gears that accelerate your boat. I'm writing on Wellness and Anti Aging now, so find the Book. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:05 PM, sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote: If the shape is factory engineered, and they don't stretch, what is adjusting halyard tension going to do? Tensioning the halyards on the old sails stretched the Dacron on the bias and moved the draft forward. It can't do that on the kryptonite one! A bit more explaining please! sam :-) From: niall buckley Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 4:31 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck The main difference is that the new sails dont stretch and their shape is factory engineered. You will still adjust mail and genoa halyard tension according to conditions. You will likely not ever require a Cunningham ever again. Have Fun. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: blockquote Meant to put this as an aside on Sam's thread. New main and #1 on Koobalibra CC115 this past summer. The difference between these and the 6 year old sails is like high tech winter tires to bald tires in a snow storm From: CnC-List [mailto: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Halyard Tension Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded me to ask a question of you racers out there: - I don’t race - only because there’s no-one racing on our lake. Although I have done a couple of Swiftsures. But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me! My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron sails 5 seasons ago. I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the same with the main too!) Now the question: Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135% genoa. I’m assuming I don’t adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don’t think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail. Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham adjustment will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption? If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails any different than the old Dacron sails? What new techniques do I need to absorb? Thanks, sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___
Re: Stus-List wire halyards
If this is confession time.. I have very old wirerope jib halyards. They are so old that the rope is 3-strand. In my defence the wire goes thrice around the winch so the rope doesn't see any real loading. On Amazing Grace, a custom 45, we changed back to wirerope after too many cover failures due to slippage in the clutch and the load transferring to the cover. It was cheaper than going to new clutches :) Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 01:34 PM 03/12/2013, you wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_000_23EAE197CC1B594FA8793397EBCD357D8405EADMI3DMIlocal_ Calypso still has its wire reel main halyard winch. I recently purchased a donor winch for parts to replace one of the low speed gears. I'm even thinking of having the casing re-chromed to spruce it up. Much of the fear and loathing associated with the wire reel winches comes from safely handling high halyard loads. We reduced the loads significantly by installing a Harken Batt Car system. Raising, lowering and reefing the main are all more easily accomplished with the lower halyard loads. We also kept the wire to rope headsail halyards owing to the wires tolerance to long exposure of heavy #1 type loads. I figure saving a few pounds of weight 67' off the deck has a minimal effect on a 24,000 lb. boat compared to the risk of an un-timely halyard failure while sailing shorthanded. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Kelly Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List wire halyards dwight is right on the mark re wire halyards sounds like his boat was set up correctly probably by cc custom rigger in oakville plant...many cc 35 mk1s out on west coast still using wire reel main halyard winches...especially the ones winning many races...i do not recommend them but certainly do the job...however wire still appears to do the job.best ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List wire halyards
I believe possible solutions are endless. Wire is the benchmark, least stretch, but eventualy fish hooks. Amsteel is amazing. It's strong as steel but flexible. The area around cutches can be improved by adding a cover. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Atlantic City, NJ - Original Message - From: Russ Melody russ...@telus.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 10:10:49 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List wire halyards If this is confession time.. I have very old wirerope jib halyards. They are so old that the rope is 3-strand. In my defence the wire goes thrice around the winch so the rope doesn't see any real loading. On Amazing Grace , a custom 45, we changed back to wirerope after too many cover failures due to slippage in the clutch and the load transferring to the cover. It was cheaper than going to new clutches :) Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 01:34 PM 03/12/2013, you wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_000_23EAE197CC1B594FA8793397EBCD357D8405EADMI3DMIlocal_ Calypso still has its wire reel main halyard winch. I recently purchased a donor winch for parts to replace one of the low speed gears. I�m even thinking of having the casing re-chromed to spruce it up. Much of the fear and loathing associated with the wire reel winches comes from safely handling high halyard loads. We reduced the loads significantly by installing a Harken Batt Car system. Raising, lowering and reefing the main are all more easily accomplished with the lower halyard loads. We also kept the wire to rope headsail halyards owing to the wires tolerance to long exposure of heavy #1 type loads. I figure saving a few pounds of weight 67� off the deck has a minimal effect on a 24,000 lb. boat compared to the risk of an un-timely halyard failure while sailing shorthanded. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Jimmy Kelly Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List wire halyards dwight is right on the mark re wire halyards sounds like his boat was set up correctly probably by cc custom rigger in oakville plant...many cc 35 mk1s out on west coast still using wire reel main halyard winches...especially the ones winning many races...i do not recommend them but certainly do the job...however wire still appears to do the job.best ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Barient# 10 winch
Hi John, I saw these on our local listings, http://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/barient-10-winch-pair_21171681 , I'm going to see the guy on Friday for some other parts, want me to take a look at these for you? For $80 it might be worth a punt although I have no idea how much it would cost to ship them to you. Cheers, Paul. On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:19 PM, John Russo johnrussob...@optonline.net mailto:johnrussob...@optonline.net wrote: Paul, Thanks for the response. The16 is a bit too big for the job and the space available but I will keep it in mind for any future applications. I will soon have a couple of Barient 22's on my hands that I am replacing with Lewmar ST 40 EVO winches. John *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Baker *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:57 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Barient# 10 winch I have a pair of stainless Barient 16 I want to sell, bigger is always better :) On 13-11-30 05:31 PM, John Russo wrote: I am looking for a vintage 1984 or later Barient #10 winch to match the mainsheet winch on my 1984 CC 32 located on my cabin top port side. I intend to use the 2^nd winch on the starboard cabin top aft of the traveler. I had a 2nd or 3^rd hand Barient #10P there which did not do the job. It is for multipurpose use to be positioned aft of a Lewmar triple clutch for my main halyard , outhaul, and Vang. The #10 that I have on the Port cabin top measures 43/8 at the base and is 33/4 tall. It is greyish-Maroon in color and I assume Aluminum as the 1984 -32 spec calls that out. I have checked out Ebay and there are some #10's listed but none with the above dimensions or AL. Any suggestions as to where I can find one? Thanks John Arpeggio Norwalk CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
I don't think they can collect after 14 years! But Mebbe... They are the guvmint. Rich On Dec 3, 2013, at 20:45, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: You owe the tax, even if they got you 4 years after you bought the boat, if you can't prove that you paid tax they got you, I have a friend who was asked last year by the NS gov't to prove that he paid the tax on his boat that he bought 14 years ago...save your receipts -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: December 3, 2013 5:57 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat Hi All. I bought the 32 two years ago, literally two years ago. I just got a letter from the ministry of finance asking for 13% of the purchase price. Do they expect me to hold onto that money for two years? is there no kind of right to a speedy trial clause except instead of trial something like right to a speedy robbery. ? I don't duck out of paying my fair share, I don't circumvent the rules but the government already collected sales tax on this boat! 33 years ago! So they make me wait two years and now they want payment within 60 days or .. If this information is not received within 60 days of the mailing date, an estimated assessment with interest compounded DAILY at the current rate from the date of purchase, may be issued yeah, that sounds reasonable Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
Is there sailing water in Alberta? That might account for no tax. :) Rich On Dec 3, 2013, at 21:05, David Donnelly da...@gnuattitude.ca wrote: I think this varies by province and some require certain items such as boats are taxed each time they change hands. BC I know has this same arrangement. Glad I live in Alberta we aren't subject to this kind of tax on boats. Only GST if bought new. If you bought from a broker I don't understand why they aren't responsible to collect and remit this tax. Dave CC 26 Mistress Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: dwight dwight...@gmail.com Date: 12-03-2013 5:45 PM (GMT-07:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat You owe the tax, even if they got you 4 years after you bought the boat, if you can't prove that you paid tax they got you, I have a friend who was asked last year by the NS gov't to prove that he paid the tax on his boat that he bought 14 years ago...save your receipts -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: December 3, 2013 5:57 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat Hi All. I bought the 32 two years ago, literally two years ago. I just got a letter from the ministry of finance asking for 13% of the purchase price. Do they expect me to hold onto that money for two years? is there no kind of right to a speedy trial clause except instead of trial something like right to a speedy robbery. ? I don't duck out of paying my fair share, I don't circumvent the rules but the government already collected sales tax on this boat! 33 years ago! So they make me wait two years and now they want payment within 60 days or .. If this information is not received within 60 days of the mailing date, an estimated assessment with interest compounded DAILY at the current rate from the date of purchase, may be issued yeah, that sounds reasonable Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6387 - Release Date: 12/03/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Impeller link to photo
It almost looks as though the missing vanes are stuck right in the pump body?? A good thing if they are. Nice looking boat. Rich On Dec 3, 2013, at 21:39, Kevin Driscoll kevindrisc...@gmail.com wrote: Apologies for my links not working. You should be able to see impeller and Osprey's stern here at dropbox: https://db.tt/PcqiFwLs Thanks for helpful info. Going to buy one of those belt tension jacks for sure! Kevin 30-2 Sent from a mobile device. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck
Sam, While the draft change is minimal, the entry of the luff changes with halyard tension in the newer materials. You can check this by experiment. Set the jib halyard hand tight and note the angle of the luff entry; then tighten the halyard a lot and note how the entry of the jib moved. This entry change makes it overall flatter or less flat. As you state, draft is mostly built in. Ron Wild Cheri On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 8:06 PM, sam.c.sal...@gmail.com sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote: I've got the book, one of many, and I understand and am an obsessive sail trimer. What I don't understand, yet, is what pulling the halyard on a sail that doesn't stretch do? sam :-) From: niall buckley Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 5:59 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck Sam, If you are really interested in this,(and you should be, if you want to get the most pleasure from sailing your vessel), find a copy of sail power. Halyard tension, backstay,lead position,boom downhaul etc are the gears that accelerate your boat. I'm writing on Wellness and Anti Aging now, so find the Book. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:05 PM, sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote: If the shape is factory engineered, and they don't stretch, what is adjusting halyard tension going to do? Tensioning the halyards on the old sails stretched the Dacron on the bias and moved the draft forward. It can't do that on the kryptonite one! A bit more explaining please! sam :-) From: niall buckley Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 4:31 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck The main difference is that the new sails dont stretch and their shape is factory engineered. You will still adjust mail and genoa halyard tension according to conditions. You will likely not ever require a Cunningham ever again. Have Fun. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Meant to put this as an aside on Sam's thread. New main and #1 on Koobalibra CC115 this past summer. The difference between these and the 6 year old sails is like high tech winter tires to bald tires in a snow storm From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Halyard Tension Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded me to ask a question of you racers out there: - I don’t race - only because there’s no-one racing on our lake. Although I have done a couple of Swiftsures. But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me! My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron sails 5 seasons ago. I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the same with the main too!) Now the question: Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135% genoa. I’m assuming I don’t adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don’t think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail. Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham adjustment will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption? If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails any different than the old Dacron sails? What new techniques do I need to absorb? Thanks, sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 27-II on YouTube
Kathleen I sailed whisper a 1972 CC 27 for about 5 years, and even took her out to Barkely Sound. In 2008 we sold to a friend, Dave Reid. Dave did the test work, for produce delivery with Sail Transport Company. Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMEKCmFna4g He took the working engine out of the boat, for more storage, and more important, access to public docks. He had to keep it simple, but kept detailed records, to prove it was possible, but hard to make a viable living. Dave has moved on, and we are on a 35-II, but it's sweet to see Whisper again. Good boat. -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
