Re: Stus-List 2gmf
I use NAPA Gold. Consider this; if your engine is running smooth with no imbalance or excessive vibration and it is properly lubricated with oil of the recommended grade that meets the appropriate API specs then the filter will have little effect. As long as the nominal size of wear particles produced under any wear regime is less than the hydrodynamic oil film thickness between moving parts (typically around 1 micron or slightly more) then they will not cause damage to the moving parts because they will never touch the moving parts with enough force to cause damage. Normal wear particles are typically less than 1 micron in size (major dimension). So unless the engine is experiencing abnormal wear which produces larger sized wear particles then the filter will collect only particles that cause no harm and only if its nominal pore size is less than the size of those small wear particles, that is, less than 1 micron. When abnormal wear starts and large wear particles get produced then these will get trapped on the filter provided they are larger than the filter pore size but by that time the engine will have already developed the abnormal wear problem and trapping those particles on the filter might at best, slow the progress of that abnormal wear, but not for long before something will fail. Of course the filter will help if large abrasive particles, like silica sand enter the system from outside. So the most important thing to do is the regular oil change with a good quality oil of the proper grade and actually with lubricating oil technology being what it is nowadays it is hard to find lube oil that is not good quality. Even no name lube oils meet minimum API specs nowadays. 50 operating hours in any one season is reasonable before oil change for most small engines like our sailboat engines and because filters are inexpensive it is a good practice to change the filter at the same time. In most cases if you dissected the old filter and washed the debris off the filter element and then examined that debris with a microscope you would find very few particles at all if the engine is running normally, so the filter would essentially be clean. If you found many large particles depending on composition, quantity, size and shape of those particles you may have an engine about to experience some failure. Filter debris analysis is widely practiced nowadays and has been found to provide early evidence of impending failure, and that early evidence can be critical where life depends on keeping the engine going, like with helicopters or planes for example. So if you really care about using a good filter then go the next step and try to examine what that filter is removing from the oil; that will be the best use of your filter and it will give you a good indication of the internal condition of your engine. _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts Sent: April 4, 2014 1:45 AM To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List 2gmf I use Baldwin filters, I saw enough negative things about Fram to change my mind. Baldwin has on-line filter selection, makes it easy. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 3 April 2014 19:54, Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com wrote: Oh,no. Please use Fram. Help fund my pension check! To be honest, I never use them myself. Lately I've been using a KN filter on the boat. If you have an old filter, here's a cross reference site: http://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/ Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Please don't use FRAM On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 5:36 PM, bev parslow bparslo...@yahoo.ca wrote: What is the equivalent fram filter for this? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake up in the day to find it was vanity, but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. T. E. Lawrence . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 2gmf
I’ve used a lot of Fram filters on street vehicles, boats and trucks and have yet to have a motor failure that I could attribute to filter failure. That being said, I did a bit of net scouring and came up with this thread which, if not alarming, is interesting: http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=497713 Rich On Apr 4, 2014, at 10:01, Bill Bina billb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The major problem that I am aware of with Fram filters is not what they initially filter out, but that the element decomposes and sheds into the oil supply, while at the same time, developing thin spots or holes that no longer filter to the stated specifications. A lot of very well known engine experts advise that they would never use Fram products in anything they cared about. Bill Bina On 4/4/2014 8:44 AM, dwight wrote: I use NAPA Gold. Consider this; if your engine is running smooth with no imbalance or excessive vibration and it is properly lubricated with oil of the recommended grade that meets the appropriate API specs then the filter will have little effect. As long as the nominal size of wear particles produced under any wear regime is less than the hydrodynamic oil film thickness between moving parts (typically around 1 micron or slightly more) then they will not cause damage to the moving parts because they will never touch the moving parts with enough force to cause damage. Normal wear particles are typically less than 1 micron in size (major dimension). So unless the engine is experiencing abnormal wear which produces larger sized wear particles then the filter will collect only particles that cause no harm and only if its nominal pore size is less than the size of those small wear particles, that is, less than 1 micron. When abnormal wear starts and large wear particles get produced then these will get trapped on the filter provided they are larger than the filter pore size but by that time the engine will have already developed the abnormal wear problem and trapping those particles on the filter might at best, slow the progress of that abnormal wear, but not for long before something will fail. Of course the filter will help if large abrasive particles, like silica sand enter the system from outside. So the most important thing to do is the regular oil change with a good quality oil of the proper grade and actually with lubricating oil technology being what it is nowadays it is hard to find lube oil that is not good quality. Even no name lube oils meet minimum API specs nowadays. 50 operating hours in any one season is reasonable before oil change for most small engines like our sailboat engines and because filters are inexpensive it is a good practice to change the filter at the same time. In most cases if you dissected the old filter and washed the debris off the filter element and then examined that debris with a microscope you would find very few particles at all if the engine is running normally, so the filter would essentially be clean. If you found many large particles depending on composition, quantity, size and shape of those particles you may have an engine about to experience some failure. Filter debris analysis is widely practiced nowadays and has been found to provide early evidence of impending failure, and that early evidence can be critical where life depends on keeping the engine going, like with helicopters or planes for example. So if you really care about using a good filter then go the next step and try to examine what that filter is removing from the oil; that will be the best use of your filter and it will give you a good indication of the internal condition of your engine. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 35 Mk 1 - $11,900 (CAN)
‘73 Mark 1 – apparently the last hull produced (#199). In Vancouver. See here: http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/boa/4400900723.html Not mine. Peter Fell Sidney, BC CC 27 MkIII___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
Sounds about right! Yes, its a bargain if it is not a corroded mess. Do you sail downwind a lot under main and jib or just jib? Do you have a fitting on the mast to attach it to? Joel On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote: There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHIS KER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
I agree, if that pole is usable, get it! Here in Long Island Sound, the whisker pole PHRF reg is no longer than LP. So if your jib is a 150%, LP is 1.5*J, quite a bit longer than J. Having that extra length beyond J makes a big difference. Spinnaker pole length on the other hand is usually J. Cheers, Bill On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Stevan Plavsa *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- William D. Hall, Ph.D. 203 653 2886 (o) 617 620 9078 (c) wh...@alum.mit.edu ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
If you sail almost ddw with the jib poled out to weather you won't want a pole longer than J and the boat will go a lot faster and you will want a real spin pole not a light whisker pole _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of William Hall Sent: April 4, 2014 1:32 PM To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 I agree, if that pole is usable, get it! Here in Long Island Sound, the whisker pole PHRF reg is no longer than LP. So if your jib is a 150%, LP is 1.5*J, quite a bit longer than J. Having that extra length beyond J makes a big difference. Spinnaker pole length on the other hand is usually J. Cheers, Bill On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles- http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER -POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description -Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/produc t_info.html#description From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- William D. Hall, Ph.D. 203 653 2886 (o) 617 620 9078 (c) wh...@alum.mit.edu ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
I didn't understand most of what you guys said, but I understood buy. Thanks! Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:31 PM, William Hall wh...@alum.mit.edu wrote: I agree, if that pole is usable, get it! Here in Long Island Sound, the whisker pole PHRF reg is no longer than LP. So if your jib is a 150%, LP is 1.5*J, quite a bit longer than J. Having that extra length beyond J makes a big difference. Spinnaker pole length on the other hand is usually J. Cheers, Bill On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.comwrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Stevan Plavsa *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- William D. Hall, Ph.D. 203 653 2886 (o) 617 620 9078 (c) wh...@alum.mit.edu ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
I have both. The whisker pole is 3 inches and the spinnaker pole is 3.5 or 4 in diameter. For downwind sailing, there is not a lot of stress on the pole when hooked to a jib. If it stretches from 7 to 17, it would not be classified as light. We are limited by PHRF to the J length, so I don't use it as the spinnaker pole does quite well, but I use the whisker pole for cruising as it pushes the number one further out and works better. Gary - Original Message - From: dwight To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 If you sail almost ddw with the jib poled out to weather you won't want a pole longer than J and the boat will go a lot faster and you will want a real spin pole not a light whisker pole -- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of William Hall Sent: April 4, 2014 1:32 PM To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 I agree, if that pole is usable, get it! Here in Long Island Sound, the whisker pole PHRF reg is no longer than LP. So if your jib is a 150%, LP is 1.5*J, quite a bit longer than J. Having that extra length beyond J makes a big difference. Spinnaker pole length on the other hand is usually J. Cheers, Bill On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- William D. Hall, Ph.D. 203 653 2886 (o) 617 620 9078 (c) wh...@alum.mit.edu -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
To answer your basic question: the whisker pole will hold the clew of the jib out to windward when going downwind and sailing 'wing on wing' with the jib on one side, main on the other, so the jib doesn't flop around. It needs an attachment point on the forward side of the mast, either a ring or a track with an adjustable ring. For a pole of that length, you may want a topping lift - line from about 20 feet up the mast to hold it up. Usually, the pole is adjusted to get the clew of the jib out as far as reasonable, not stretched tight, but out to catch as much wind as possible. That all depends on the size of your jib. If you, like most racers, have a 155% jib, that means it will be out there to the full length of the 17 foot pole. Your J measurement is 12 feet or so, so a spinnaker pole at 12 feet, wouldn't get the jib out nearly as far. Hope that explains it. Gary - Original Message - From: Stevan Plavsa To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
I would. -Original Message- From: Stevan Plavsa Sent: 04/04/2014 12:14 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 2gmf
Personal experience ,I have had 2 Fram oil filters blow apart at the rolled seam .Fortunately I discovered the puddle of oil before driving away . First time was on a Chev Cavalier ,second time on a Altima There will never be a 3rd time DDrake CC 26 On Apr 4, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: I’ve used a lot of Fram filters on street vehicles, boats and trucks and have yet to have a motor failure that I could attribute to filter failure. That being said, I did a bit of net scouring and came up with this thread which, if not alarming, is interesting: http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=497713 Rich On Apr 4, 2014, at 10:01, Bill Bina billb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The major problem that I am aware of with Fram filters is not what they initially filter out, but that the element decomposes and sheds into the oil supply, while at the same time, developing thin spots or holes that no longer filter to the stated specifications. A lot of very well known engine experts advise that they would never use Fram products in anything they cared about. Bill Bina On 4/4/2014 8:44 AM, dwight wrote: I use NAPA Gold. Consider this; if your engine is running smooth with no imbalance or excessive vibration and it is properly lubricated with oil of the recommended grade that meets the appropriate API specs then the filter will have little effect. As long as the nominal size of wear particles produced under any wear regime is less than the hydrodynamic oil film thickness between moving parts (typically around 1 micron or slightly more) then they will not cause damage to the moving parts because they will never touch the moving parts with enough force to cause damage. Normal wear particles are typically less than 1 micron in size (major dimension). So unless the engine is experiencing abnormal wear which produces larger sized wear particles then the filter will collect only particles that cause no harm and only if its nominal pore size is less than the size of those small wear particles, that is, less than 1 micron. When abnormal wear starts and large wear particles get produced then these will get trapped on the filter provided they are larger than the filter pore size but by that time the engine will have already developed the abnormal wear problem and trapping those particles on the filter might at best, slow the progress of that abnormal wear, but not for long before something will fail. Of course the filter will help if large abrasive particles, like silica sand enter the system from outside. So the most important thing to do is the regular oil change with a good quality oil of the proper grade and actually with lubricating oil technology being what it is nowadays it is hard to find lube oil that is not good quality. Even no name lube oils meet minimum API specs nowadays. 50 operating hours in any one season is reasonable before oil change for most small engines like our sailboat engines and because filters are inexpensive it is a good practice to change the filter at the same time. In most cases if you dissected the old filter and washed the debris off the filter element and then examined that debris with a microscope you would find very few particles at all if the engine is running normally, so the filter would essentially be clean. If you found many large particles depending on composition, quantity, size and shape of those particles you may have an engine about to experience some failure. Filter debris analysis is widely practiced nowadays and has been found to provide early evidence of impending failure, and that early evidence can be critical where life depends on keeping the engine going, like with helicopters or planes for example. So if you really care about using a good filter then go the next step and try to examine what that filter is removing from the oil; that will be the best use of your filter and it will give you a good indication of the internal condition of your engine. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
http://www.forespar.com/whisker2011.shtml#C_LIST They don't list a CC 32 but based on similar length boats looks like Forespar would recommend 10-18 but 7-17 should work, especially if you're using a No. 2. Looking at their prices, $100 is great buy if it's in decent shape. Also consider if it's a twist-lock or a line-control, for a 32 you'd probably want the line control. Neil Gallagher Weatherly 35-1 Glen Cove, NY On 4/4/2014 12:13 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
In light air on my old Mirage 24 I've actually held the clew of my genny out with the boat hook to keep the sail full. I think this'll be an improvement! http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=580584622 What do you guys think? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.netwrote: To answer your basic question: the whisker pole will hold the clew of the jib out to windward when going downwind and sailing 'wing on wing' with the jib on one side, main on the other, so the jib doesn't flop around. It needs an attachment point on the forward side of the mast, either a ring or a track with an adjustable ring. For a pole of that length, you may want a topping lift - line from about 20 feet up the mast to hold it up. Usually, the pole is adjusted to get the clew of the jib out as far as reasonable, not stretched tight, but out to catch as much wind as possible. That all depends on the size of your jib. If you, like most racers, have a 155% jib, that means it will be out there to the full length of the 17 foot pole. Your J measurement is 12 feet or so, so a spinnaker pole at 12 feet, wouldn't get the jib out nearly as far. Hope that explains it. Gary - Original Message - *From:* Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 12:13 PM *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold. The ad was posted today. grumble Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote: In light air on my old Mirage 24 I've actually held the clew of my genny out with the boat hook to keep the sail full. I think this'll be an improvement! http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=580584622 What do you guys think? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.netwrote: To answer your basic question: the whisker pole will hold the clew of the jib out to windward when going downwind and sailing 'wing on wing' with the jib on one side, main on the other, so the jib doesn't flop around. It needs an attachment point on the forward side of the mast, either a ring or a track with an adjustable ring. For a pole of that length, you may want a topping lift - line from about 20 feet up the mast to hold it up. Usually, the pole is adjusted to get the clew of the jib out as far as reasonable, not stretched tight, but out to catch as much wind as possible. That all depends on the size of your jib. If you, like most racers, have a 155% jib, that means it will be out there to the full length of the 17 foot pole. Your J measurement is 12 feet or so, so a spinnaker pole at 12 feet, wouldn't get the jib out nearly as far. Hope that explains it. Gary - Original Message - *From:* Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 12:13 PM *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Steve, You're lucky.just get a proper spinnaker pole for your boat and call it a day _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: April 4, 2014 3:17 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold. The ad was posted today. grumble Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: In light air on my old Mirage 24 I've actually held the clew of my genny out with the boat hook to keep the sail full. I think this'll be an improvement! http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=580584622 What do you guys think? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net wrote: To answer your basic question: the whisker pole will hold the clew of the jib out to windward when going downwind and sailing 'wing on wing' with the jib on one side, main on the other, so the jib doesn't flop around. It needs an attachment point on the forward side of the mast, either a ring or a track with an adjustable ring. For a pole of that length, you may want a topping lift - line from about 20 feet up the mast to hold it up. Usually, the pole is adjusted to get the clew of the jib out as far as reasonable, not stretched tight, but out to catch as much wind as possible. That all depends on the size of your jib. If you, like most racers, have a 155% jib, that means it will be out there to the full length of the 17 foot pole. Your J measurement is 12 feet or so, so a spinnaker pole at 12 feet, wouldn't get the jib out nearly as far. Hope that explains it. Gary - Original Message - From: Stevan Plavsa mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto _ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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We all want our money back! Rich On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold. The ad was posted today. grumble Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: In light air on my old Mirage 24 I've actually held the clew of my genny out with the boat hook to keep the sail full. I think this'll be an improvement! http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=580584622 What do you guys think? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net wrote: To answer your basic question: the whisker pole will hold the clew of the jib out to windward when going downwind and sailing 'wing on wing' with the jib on one side, main on the other, so the jib doesn't flop around. It needs an attachment point on the forward side of the mast, either a ring or a track with an adjustable ring. For a pole of that length, you may want a topping lift - line from about 20 feet up the mast to hold it up. Usually, the pole is adjusted to get the clew of the jib out as far as reasonable, not stretched tight, but out to catch as much wind as possible. That all depends on the size of your jib. If you, like most racers, have a 155% jib, that means it will be out there to the full length of the 17 foot pole. Your J measurement is 12 feet or so, so a spinnaker pole at 12 feet, wouldn't get the jib out nearly as far. Hope that explains it. Gary - Original Message - From: Stevan Plavsa To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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I don't have a spinnaker. :/ On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: We all want our money back! Rich On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold. The ad was posted today. grumble Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote: In light air on my old Mirage 24 I've actually held the clew of my genny out with the boat hook to keep the sail full. I think this'll be an improvement! http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=580584622 What do you guys think? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.netwrote: To answer your basic question: the whisker pole will hold the clew of the jib out to windward when going downwind and sailing 'wing on wing' with the jib on one side, main on the other, so the jib doesn't flop around. It needs an attachment point on the forward side of the mast, either a ring or a track with an adjustable ring. For a pole of that length, you may want a topping lift - line from about 20 feet up the mast to hold it up. Usually, the pole is adjusted to get the clew of the jib out as far as reasonable, not stretched tight, but out to catch as much wind as possible. That all depends on the size of your jib. If you, like most racers, have a 155% jib, that means it will be out there to the full length of the 17 foot pole. Your J measurement is 12 feet or so, so a spinnaker pole at 12 feet, wouldn't get the jib out nearly as far. Hope that explains it. Gary - Original Message - *From:* Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 12:13 PM *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Steve That does not matter if you have a spinnaker.use your jib as a spinnaker, use the pole topping lift, the downhaul and jib sheet as you would if you were flying a kite.no guy in this case.the kite works best to weather and the main sail is best to leeward.the leading edge of the kite just beginning to luff, hard to see on the jib because it is attached to the forestay but never the less the same thing happens.trim the sails and steer the boat to keep it that way going downwind.you have a rather narrow angle to steer but if you get it right and your crew trims your sails right and you learn to feel your boat you will leave your competition behind, believe me you will.so if white sail racing is what you are about, try what I suggest and learn to do it good.that could make a big difference in SOG for your boat.it has for all of the CC designs that I have sailed _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: April 4, 2014 3:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 I don't have a spinnaker. :/ On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: We all want our money back! Rich On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold. The ad was posted today. grumble Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Steve That does not matter if you have a spinnaker...use your jib as a spinnaker, use the pole topping lift, the downhaul and jib sheet as you would if you were flying a kite...no guy in this case...the kite works best to weather and the main sail is best to leeward...the leading edge of the kite just beginning to luff, hard to see on the jib because it is attached to the forestay but never the less the same thing happens...trim the sails and steer the boat to keep it that way going downwind...you have a rather narrow angle to steer but if you get it right and your crew trims your sails right and you learn to feel your boat you will leave your competition behind, believe me you will...so if white sail racing is what you are about, try what I suggest and learn to do it good...that could make a big difference in SOG for your boat...it has for all of the CC designs that I have sailed -- *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Stevan Plavsa *Sent:* April 4, 2014 3:29 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 I don't have a spinnaker. :/ On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: We all want our money back! Rich On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold. The ad was posted today. grumble Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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It's OK, try what I suggested and learn, even when not racing we all have to go downwind sometimes.get a spin pole and try what I suggest, learn to do it good and you will be fast downwind with your 110% in heavy air and your 150 in light _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: April 4, 2014 3:52 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Steve That does not matter if you have a spinnaker.use your jib as a spinnaker, use the pole topping lift, the downhaul and jib sheet as you would if you were flying a kite.no guy in this case.the kite works best to weather and the main sail is best to leeward.the leading edge of the kite just beginning to luff, hard to see on the jib because it is attached to the forestay but never the less the same thing happens.trim the sails and steer the boat to keep it that way going downwind.you have a rather narrow angle to steer but if you get it right and your crew trims your sails right and you learn to feel your boat you will leave your competition behind, believe me you will.so if white sail racing is what you are about, try what I suggest and learn to do it good.that could make a big difference in SOG for your boat.it has for all of the CC designs that I have sailed _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: April 4, 2014 3:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 I don't have a spinnaker. :/ On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: We all want our money back! Rich On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold. The ad was posted today. grumble Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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This has been in an RCR newsletter I receive, Forespar Whisker Pole For Sale: About 140 short and 270 extended. The diameters are 2.5 and 3 (inside and outside tubes). It has the line control system for extending/collapsing. Asking $650. mailto:john.m...@cushwake.com john.m...@cushwake.com Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 2:52 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Steve That does not matter if you have a spinnaker.use your jib as a spinnaker, use the pole topping lift, the downhaul and jib sheet as you would if you were flying a kite.no guy in this case.the kite works best to weather and the main sail is best to leeward.the leading edge of the kite just beginning to luff, hard to see on the jib because it is attached to the forestay but never the less the same thing happens.trim the sails and steer the boat to keep it that way going downwind.you have a rather narrow angle to steer but if you get it right and your crew trims your sails right and you learn to feel your boat you will leave your competition behind, believe me you will.so if white sail racing is what you are about, try what I suggest and learn to do it good.that could make a big difference in SOG for your boat.it has for all of the CC designs that I have sailed _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: April 4, 2014 3:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 I don't have a spinnaker. :/ On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: We all want our money back! Rich On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold. The ad was posted today. grumble Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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A $100 whisker pole is better than nothing. On my CC 30 the #1 is a 155%, about a 20.95' LP and ~ 22' foot. I have a Forespar line control 12-22' whisker pole and use every inch of it in light winds. I also have an older three piece Forespar twist lock whisker pole that I purchased used to try. It is too flimsy at full extension for anything put the lightest of winds. Collapsed a foot or so it is OK, but the 16' length is not optimum for my #1. If you might race note that PHRF Lake Ontario does not have a length rule for whisker poles. Still, for $100 it also makes a great pole for a cockpit cover. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 12:13:50 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn7e_ubglze6xgq-ndhwyn2yzou8grhb6v0as_rhttx...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Wisker pole - 32
I agree with Dwight, if I had only one pole, it would be the spin pole, spinnaker or not, far more practical, adjustable, and stronger.and in a breeze, the 32 can handle stronger. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 -84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/04/04 3:42 PM, dwight wrote: Steve That does not matter if you have a spinnaker...use your jib as a spinnaker, use the pole topping lift, the downhaul and jib sheet as you would if you were flying a kite...no guy in this case...the kite works best to weather and the main sail is best to leeward...the leading edge of the kite just beginning to luff, hard to see on the jib because it is attached to the forestay but never the less the same thing happens...trim the sails and steer the boat to keep it that way going downwind...you have a rather narrow angle to steer but if you get it right and your crew trims your sails right and you learn to feel your boat you will leave your competition behind, believe me you will...so if white sail racing is what you are about, try what I suggest and learn to do it good...that could make a big difference in SOG for your boat...it has for all of the CC designs that I have sailed *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Stevan Plavsa *Sent:* April 4, 2014 3:29 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 I don't have a spinnaker. :/ On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca mailto:r...@sailpower.ca wrote: We all want our money back! Rich On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold. The ad was posted today. grumble Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wisker pole - 32
Thanks Rob And what I am suggesting is very similar to sailing downwind by the lee in a Laser, a lot of fats Laser sailors do that, except for our CC boats, like those I have sailed on we have a main and a jib but the jib is the power sail for us, so for best speed downwind sail the jib by the lee and to do that you need a strong pole and there won't be many occasions unless you are very bolds when you will be flying your 110.believe me I wish I had have used my 110 with 30-40 on the stern.that was a helluva a ride in a 27 MKIII _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert Abbott Sent: April 4, 2014 4:05 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Wisker pole - 32 I agree with Dwight, if I had only one pole, it would be the spin pole, spinnaker or not, far more practical, adjustable, and stronger.and in a breeze, the 32 can handle stronger. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 -84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/04/04 3:42 PM, dwight wrote: Steve That does not matter if you have a spinnaker.use your jib as a spinnaker, use the pole topping lift, the downhaul and jib sheet as you would if you were flying a kite.no guy in this case.the kite works best to weather and the main sail is best to leeward.the leading edge of the kite just beginning to luff, hard to see on the jib because it is attached to the forestay but never the less the same thing happens.trim the sails and steer the boat to keep it that way going downwind.you have a rather narrow angle to steer but if you get it right and your crew trims your sails right and you learn to feel your boat you will leave your competition behind, believe me you will.so if white sail racing is what you are about, try what I suggest and learn to do it good.that could make a big difference in SOG for your boat.it has for all of the CC designs that I have sailed _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: April 4, 2014 3:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 I don't have a spinnaker. :/ On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: We all want our money back! Rich On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold. The ad was posted today. grumble Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
That's really generous of you Mike, thanks for the offer. It's just me and my girlfriend so I don't think we're ready to launch a spinnaker yet, and no topping lift etc. What is NFS/FS? Any racing I do this year will be white sail. Someone from our club went and bungled taking their mast down using your crane... bungled it right overboard for chrissakes. We got a polite (and completely understandable not to mention reasonable) letter from your commodore telling us we're not welcome to use your crane anymore. Now I don't have anywhere to go to get my stick up! Our mast crane is too puny for my 'huge' boat and a few of the others at the club. NYC has been very generous letting us use their crane over the years. I'll probably have to motor over to a marina and have them step my mast for me. If you happened to have been around during that debacle I want you to know that I had no part in it!!! We quietly got ours down days prior during work hours when no one was around. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?
Pretty standard in Ontario in order to keep a boat at a club/marina as well as register to race. Don On Apr 4, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com wrote: Mike, $2 million insurance? Hmmm. Interesting policy. How many other racing organizers require insurance? I've never had to show in any race in my area. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
BTW, ECSA (Eastern CT PHRF) has removed max length for whisker poles from the regulations (someone mentioned other parts of Long Island Sound may still have restrictions). I only have a spinnaker pole (I mainly race with spin), so that's what I use, but (much) longer is needed to effectively pole out a 155%. My J is 13.6'; the #1 would be happy with the clew poled a bit more than 20' out. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?
Mike, $2 million insurance? Hmmm. Interesting policy. How many other racing organizers require insurance? I've never had to show in any race in my area. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?
Our Shields fleet requires liability insurance. mind you, there have been more than a few collisions. Something to do with 30+ boats on the line every Wednesday night and they don't stop, accelerate, or turn very well. Not to mention that some of the crews get into the adult bevies on the way out to the line. http://www.shieldsfleet9.org/ Andy CC 40 Peregrine 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole
A whisker pole should be 80 percent of the length of the LP of your largest headsail. For my 38, that calculates out to about 20' based on a J dimension a bit over 16'. Be careful that the whisker pole is of a diameter appropriate for your boat. I think Forespar has a recommendation for pole diameter by boat length. A friend bought a pole for his boat that was small diameter, and he folded the pole one day when sailing downwind in a chop and the end of the pole dipped into the water. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:01, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote: A $100 whisker pole is better than nothing. On my CC 30 the #1 is a 155%, about a 20.95' LP and ~ 22' foot. I have a Forespar line control 12-22' whisker pole and use every inch of it in light winds. I also have an older three piece Forespar twist lock whisker pole that I purchased used to try. It is too flimsy at full extension for anything put the lightest of winds. Collapsed a foot or so it is OK, but the 16' length is not optimum for my #1. If you might race note that PHRF Lake Ontario does not have a length rule for whisker poles. Still, for $100 it also makes a great pole for a cockpit cover. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 12:13:50 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn7e_ubglze6xgq-ndhwyn2yzou8grhb6v0as_rhttx...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
Western LIS PHRF has a 6 sec/mi penalty for a whisker pole longer than the J measurement, but no limit. I just bought a Forespar 12-22, have been non-spin racing with a J-length spinnaker pole and found I usually can not get the No.2 (145%) to fly with it. Neil Gallagher Weatherly 35-1 Glen Cove NY On 4/4/2014 5:00 PM, Tim Goodyear wrote: BTW, ECSA (Eastern CT PHRF) has removed max length for whisker poles from the regulations (someone mentioned other parts of Long Island Sound may still have restrictions). I only have a spinnaker pole (I mainly race with spin), so that's what I use, but (much) longer is needed to effectively pole out a 155%. My J is 13.6'; the #1 would be happy with the clew poled a bit more than 20' out. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca mailto:m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com mailto:caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
J is the max length for a spinnaker pole without penalty under PHRF rules. In PHRF regions that do not make a distinction between a spin pole and a whisker pole, any pole longer than J wil get a penalty. In regions that do make a distinction, you can follow the best sailing practice of having a whisker pole equal to 1.24 of J, presuming your largest genoa is a 155. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:22, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 – 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Pre-feeder for jib (and folding a headsail properly)
Joel, Dennis puts it very well. I can't improve on what he's said. I heartily agree with the proper use of a pre-feeder. Jake From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 9:48 PM To: CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List Pre-feeder for jib (and folding a headsail properly) Joel, Not sure what you have, furler, Tuff-Luff, etc., but here's my take on pre-feeders. First, highly recommended. They will greatly reduce the potential for ripping a luff tape. (more on that at the bottom). I have the Schaefer 1205-01 roller pre-feeder and love it. Second, attach it with 6-12 inches of line. Third, position it so it is 6-12 inches below the feeder. Cut your sails' luff tapes so the pre-feeder will fall off when the sail is fully hoisted. Make sure the pre-feeder doesn't flop over the side of the boat. So, that means you usually attach it to the Tuff Luff or furler. Mine is attached to the furler right at the top of the torque tube about 6-8 inches below the feeder. It drops off the tape and hangs free when the sail is hoisted. Now, the more on not ripping a luff tape. Nice for those listers that read this far and didn't hit the delete key. It is important, repeat, important, the the sail be folded correctly for hoisting. The luff tape must be folded on top of itself under the pre-feeder. When dropping a sail, the foredeck person should pull the luff tape directly down into the bow pulpit. The mast man should pull the leech downward and forward (not aft) and should work his/her way forward as the sail is dropped. The leech should NOT be pulled aft but should be pulled straight down. If the tape is pulled aft, it will force a sharp bend in the tape as it is fed through the pre-feeder and re-hoisted. (Please note that I have 20+ years of doing foredeck on several successful racing boats.) Sails that are in a sausage bag should be folded so the tape is on top of itself. To do that, the person at the luff makes a single fold while the person at the leech does nothing. This cocks the sail and will allow the tape to align. After that first luff fold, the two folders match folds with the leech folder working his/her way to the luff. The luff folder ensures that the luff tape folds back and forth on top of itself. This way the luff tape will be positioned in the bow pulpit directly under the pre-feeder. We have one race boat on my pier which always folds their headsail in a cruiser fold. That is, both folders work their way to the middle. The luff tape will have to come from the shrouds forward to the pre-feeder and then make a sharp bend to the feeder. This is a recipe for a ripped luff tape. I cannot stress how much sailmakers would love for sailors to rip luff tapes. It's $$$ for them. I also cannot tell you how nice it is for a sail to hoist easily because it was folded correctly for hoisting. On the other hand, try hoisting an improperly folded sail at 2 in the morning in 20+ knots and 4-6 foot seas and you'll curse the guy that folded it! Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Now racing insurance?
Have to have liability insurance to keep a boat at our club and racemust produce proof of insurance, if requested...seems reasonable! Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/04/04 5:55 PM, D Harben wrote: Pretty standard in Ontario in order to keep a boat at a club/marina as well as register to race. Don On Apr 4, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com mailto:capt...@gmail.com wrote: Mike, $2 million insurance? Hmmm. Interesting policy. How many other racing organizers require insurance? I've never had to show in any race in my area. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca mailto:m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com mailto:caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Pre-feeder for jib (and folding a headsail properly)
My prefeeder is lashed with light line to the forestay, about a foot below my Tuff Luff. Jake From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 10:09 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Pre-feeder for jib (and folding a headsail properly) Tuff luff comes with a prefeeder and it attaches to forestay approx. 8 inches below where bolt rope enters the track ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
Neil, In my opinion you are mis-interpreting the YRALIR non-spinnaker regulations. The regulation is 1. Pole Length: Whisker poles may not be longer than LP without penalty. Extendable poles must be banded to indicate their maximum permitted length. Spinnaker poles may be used as whisker poles. When a competitor declares a LP greater than 135% and a pole of J length, a +6 credit may be claimed. If the declared LP is from 120% to 135% with a J length pole, +3 credit may be claimed. No credit is available when the declared LP is less than 120% with a J length pole. There is no penalty for a whisker pole, rather a credit if it is less then LP. As to the value of a whisker pole and the size appropriate for the boat, I raced my Catalina 30 Tall Rig with a forespar 12-22 whisker pole VERY successfully. Downwind or reaching I regularly passed lower rated boats who had spinnaker poles for whisker. The farther out you can project the clew the better. Also for a 32 foot boat I would be concerned with the diameter of the pole. More is better given the load on the jib. Best, Eric 34/36+ ___ I want 10,000 tough guys, and I want 10,000 soft guys to make the tough guys look tougher! And here's how I want them arranged: tough, soft, tough, tough, soft, tough, soft, soft, tough, tough, soft, soft, tough, soft, tough, soft! *Russ Cargill* On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: J is the max length for a spinnaker pole without penalty under PHRF rules. In PHRF regions that do not make a distinction between a spin pole and a whisker pole, any pole longer than J wil get a penalty. In regions that do make a distinction, you can follow the best sailing practice of having a whisker pole equal to 1.24 of J, presuming your largest genoa is a 155. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:22, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Stevan Plavsa *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?
Dennis, Pretty much all the clubs in the area require at least $1 million liability insurance. My club requires a current copy of the insurance certificate to be on file in the office to keep a boat here. Rick Taillieu Nemesis '75 CC 25 #371 Shearwater Yacht Club Halifax, NS. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: April-04-14 17:53 To: CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance? Mike, $2 million insurance? Hmmm. Interesting policy. How many other racing organizers require insurance? I've never had to show in any race in my area. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3722/7302 - Release Date: 04/04/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
Tim If you used a 20 foot whisker pole to get your 155 clew further out to leeward do the rules state that the inboard end of the pole must be attached at the mast? I have never found a beneficial (better speed) use for a long whisker pole like that.and when I do see them used most boats have a crew controlling the inboard end from near the shrouds. _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim Goodyear Sent: April 4, 2014 6:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 BTW, ECSA (Eastern CT PHRF) has removed max length for whisker poles from the regulations (someone mentioned other parts of Long Island Sound may still have restrictions). I only have a spinnaker pole (I mainly race with spin), so that's what I use, but (much) longer is needed to effectively pole out a 155%. My J is 13.6'; the #1 would be happy with the clew poled a bit more than 20' out. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?
Guess I'm in a weird area. Louisiana is fairly litigious but I've never been asked for insurance for dockage or racing. For racing, a valid PHRF certificate is all I've been asked for. We occasionally have to sign a liability waiver for some races. I have been asked for it for dockage in Florida. I think the race organizers around here think that the USSailing coverage is adequate. Dennis C. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Rick Taillieu rtaill...@eastlink.ca wrote: Dennis, Pretty much all the clubs in the area require at least $1 million liability insurance. My club requires a current copy of the insurance certificate to be on file in the office to keep a boat here. Rick Taillieu Nemesis '75 CC 25 #371 Shearwater Yacht Club Halifax, NS. *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis C. *Sent:* April-04-14 17:53 *To:* CnClist *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance? Mike, $2 million insurance? Hmmm. Interesting policy. How many other racing organizers require insurance? I've never had to show in any race in my area. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3722/7302 - Release Date: 04/04/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
Usually the spinnaker launch goes well double handed. Takedown is more challenging, gybes are real interesting. NFS - Non Flying Sail - Whitesail FS - Flying Sail - Spinnaker I always cringe when I hear stories about problems taking down or putting masts in. Too easy for injuries to occur. If some time has gone by since the incident you might ask again. NYC has a pole catnow - utility truck with a nicely articulated crane. There are trained volunteers that operate the pole cat and you have to book a time. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 16:00:10 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn4wrkhrx6lb_gyw7-jc5-bbmomausm6zso3khmcceo...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 That's really generous of you Mike, thanks for the offer. It's just me and my girlfriend so I don't think we're ready to launch a spinnaker yet, and no topping lift etc. What is NFS/FS? Any racing I do this year will be white sail. Someone from our club went and bungled taking their mast down using your crane... bungled it right overboard for chrissakes. We got a polite (and completely understandable not to mention reasonable) letter from your commodore telling us we're not welcome to use your crane anymore. Now I don't have anywhere to go to get my stick up! Our mast crane is too puny for my 'huge' boat and a few of the others at the club. NYC has been very generous letting us use their crane over the years. I'll probably have to motor over to a marina and have them step my mast for me. If you happened to have been around during that debacle I want you to know that I had no part in it!!! We quietly got ours down days prior during work hours when no one was around. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 99, Issue 22
As others have posted a requirement for insurance is common up here. Some of the regattas and races mention it, other request proof, some want it on file. I like the idea of having insurance, and the additional charge to go to $2M from the standard coverage of $1M was under $20. A few boats at the club have made insurance claims. The owners felt the settlement was prompt and fair. A Farr ( Mumm ) 30 was hit by lightning on the lake and written off, the classic R boat shattered its wooden mast, and some collisions. Stuff does happen. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 16:55:26 -0400 From: D Harben sailadventu...@rogers.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance? Message-ID: cfa6871d-6aa9-4434-9cc0-2ff78ad2c...@rogers.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pretty standard in Ontario in order to keep a boat at a club/marina as well as register to race. Don On Apr 4, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com wrote: Mike, $2 million insurance? Hmmm. Interesting policy. How many other racing organizers require insurance? I've never had to show in any race in my area. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Vancouver slip for sale.
And I thought that their housing prices were ridiculous! http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/bod/4361586159.html ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Vancouver slip for sale.
If that's a liveaboard slip it would be the cheapest housing in the neighbourhood. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 4 April 2014 16:28, sthom...@sympatico.ca wrote: And I thought that their housing prices were ridiculous! http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/bod/4361586159.html ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
During a very light wind race we may just sail straight at the mark and try to set the sails out all the way, ie 90 degrees to the center line. To do that I need a long whisker pole, 22' is a little short. With a J of 13.50, a #1 foot of 22' I would need a 26' whisker pole for a perfect barn door. Note that is for sailing by the lee. With a bit more wind, and hopefully minor waves, I cross the lee and have crew hold the boom out. Without a whisker pole I can fly the headsail wing on wing. Just have to be careful, too much steering kills speed. As the wind picks up a little more we sail safer, not by the lee and use the whisker pole again. Finally, in heavier winds I switch to the spinnaker pole. We can run wing on wing up to 14 - 16 kts. Above that there is little advantage in speed. A trick to help out at the leeward rounding is to come in with main on starboard ( boom on the port side ) for rights. That will require the main to be gybed. Just as we get ~ 1 boat length away the jib sheet is eased just enough to trip the spinnaker pole at the mast and immediately take the end out and then forward. The jib is brought in rapidly with the spin pole still attached as the loose end goes to the pulpit. ie foredeck runs forward with the pole, then trips the sheet end to free it. Hard to time it perfectly but if we get that right the main is basically brought up to center as we round and go upwind. That is too rough on a whisker pole and takes too much time to collapse it. As you point out they will fold from just catching a wave. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 17:15:51 -0400 From: Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole Message-ID: 3b94d3c3-e871-440f-82e6-c29be8198...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A whisker pole should be 80 percent of the length of the LP of your largest headsail. For my 38, that calculates out to about 20' based on a J dimension a bit over 16'. Be careful that the whisker pole is of a diameter appropriate for your boat. I think Forespar has a recommendation for pole diameter by boat length. A friend bought a pole for his boat that was small diameter, and he folded the pole one day when sailing downwind in a chop and the end of the pole dipped into the water. Rick Brass ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Vancouver slip for sale.
Well, I'm across the water on the poor man's side of False Creek (5-1/2 boat bucks per year for a CC 34). Almost the same amenities and on the occasion when I stay overnight on the boat, coming up on deck on an early summer morning, I think we have a much better view of the city and mountains. Getting a fifty-footer into the marina would be a problem, though. Jim Brown Flash Over CC 34 (81) Vancouver, BC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts Sent: April-04-14 4:49 PM To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Vancouver slip for sale. If that's a liveaboard slip it would be the cheapest housing in the neighbourhood. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 4 April 2014 16:28, sthom...@sympatico.ca wrote: And I thought that their housing prices were ridiculous! http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/bod/4361586159.html ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
... National Yacht Club had a Hunter drop during lift out a few years back. The bow was wounded badly. The year after, a mast dropped with people and boats around. I was in the dry sail area watching the process with wide eyes. I did the stop and warning from a distance ... scary. Don PS I sailed at NYC in the old two story wood clubhouse that backed on the Ball Stadium. There is picture of the old clubhouse in one of the meeting rooms. There were no docks in the basin, only moorings. I dry sailed Lightnings out through the moorings and the gaps ... most boats andsailers lived to see another day ...LOL From: Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, April 4, 2014 7:11:40 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Usually the spinnaker launch goes well double handed. Takedown is more challenging, gybes are real interesting. NFS - Non Flying Sail - Whitesail FS - Flying Sail - Spinnaker I always cringe when I hear stories about problems taking down or putting masts in. Too easy for injuries to occur. If some time has gone by since the incident you might ask again. NYC has a pole catnow - utility truck with a nicely articulated crane. There are trained volunteers that operate the pole cat and you have to book a time. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 16:00:10 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn4wrkhrx6lb_gyw7-jc5-bbmomausm6zso3khmcceo...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 That's really generous of you Mike, thanks for the offer. It's just me and my girlfriend so I don't think we're ready to launch a spinnaker yet, and no topping lift etc. What is NFS/FS? Any racing I do this year will be white sail. Someone from our club went and bungled taking their mast down using your crane... bungled it right overboard for chrissakes. We got a polite (and completely understandable not to mention reasonable) letter from your commodore telling us we're not welcome to use your crane anymore. Now I don't have anywhere to go to get my stick up! Our mast crane is too puny for my 'huge' boat and a few of the others at the club. NYC has been very generous letting us use their crane over the years. I'll probably have to motor over to a marina and have them step my mast for me. If you happened to have been around during that debacle I want you to know that I had no part in it!!! We quietly got ours down days prior during work hours when no one was around. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Vancouver slip for sale.
Vancouver is beautiful. I have friends out there and i've gone out on three trips. I rode my motorcycle out there the second time so I could get a close up view of the mountains along the way, best thing I ever did. I would move there in a heartbeat if I could find work. I'de totally live on a boat, the housing is ridiculous. I'm jealous of all you guys that actually get to see marine life when you take the boat out. Seals? Dolphins? Otters? Oh really?!? Orcas for chrissakes. Someone please tell me they've been out in the channel when the superpod came through? A friend's mom was out in a kayak when they came through once! I get excited when I'm the first one at the club in the morning and I get to free the trapped raccoon out of our club's garbage bin. They go in there and get stuck, like clockwork. We keep a 2x4 on hand so that we can lower it in and they can use it like a ramp. Wildlife! Wow, 1.36 million. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/housing/vancouver-house-prices-hit-new-high/article17279408/ Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:44 PM, bobmor99 . bobmo...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, 100 years of rent to buy the slip across the way. I'll stay happy with my $225/month slip fee. I once approached my dock owner about selling me my slip. He said that would be difficult because he was leasing the bottom from the state. I took that as a no. I was willing to pay $10K. There were some slip sales starting in the area around that time in the mid -00's. Bob M Ox 33-1 Jax, FL On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Jim Brown jimbrownfl...@telus.net wrote: Well, I'm across the water on the poor man's side of False Creek (5-1/2 boat bucks per year for a CC 34). Almost the same amenities and on the occasion when I stay overnight on the boat, coming up on deck on an early summer morning, I think we have a much better view of the city and mountains. Getting a fifty-footer into the marina would be a problem, though. Jim Brown Flash Over CC 34 (81) Vancouver, BC *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Watts *Sent:* April-04-14 4:49 PM *To:* 1 CnC List *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Vancouver slip for sale. If that's a liveaboard slip it would be the cheapest housing in the neighbourhood. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 4 April 2014 16:28, sthom...@sympatico.ca wrote: And I thought that their housing prices were ridiculous! http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/bod/4361586159.html ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- http://www.avast.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirushttp://www.avast.com/protection is active. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
Michael if you ever need crew I'm available! Steve On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Don Harben sailadventu...@rogers.comwrote: ... National Yacht Club had a Hunter drop during lift out a few years back. The bow was wounded badly. The year after, a mast dropped with people and boats around. I was in the dry sail area watching the process with wide eyes. I did the stop and warning from a distance ... scary. * Don* *PS I sailed at NYC in the old two story wood clubhouse that backed on the Ball Stadium. There is picture of the old clubhouse in one of the meeting rooms. There were no docks in the basin, only moorings. I dry sailed Lightnings out through the moorings and the gaps ... most boats andsailers lived to see another day ...LOL* -- *From:* Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Friday, April 4, 2014 7:11:40 PM *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Usually the spinnaker launch goes well double handed. Takedown is more challenging, gybes are real interesting. NFS - Non Flying Sail - Whitesail FS - Flying Sail - Spinnaker I always cringe when I hear stories about problems taking down or putting masts in. Too easy for injuries to occur. If some time has gone by since the incident you might ask again. NYC has a pole catnow - utility truck with a nicely articulated crane. There are trained volunteers that operate the pole cat and you have to book a time. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 16:00:10 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn4wrkhrx6lb_gyw7-jc5-bbmomausm6zso3khmcceo...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 That's really generous of you Mike, thanks for the offer. It's just me and my girlfriend so I don't think we're ready to launch a spinnaker yet, and no topping lift etc. What is NFS/FS? Any racing I do this year will be white sail. Someone from our club went and bungled taking their mast down using your crane... bungled it right overboard for chrissakes. We got a polite (and completely understandable not to mention reasonable) letter from your commodore telling us we're not welcome to use your crane anymore. Now I don't have anywhere to go to get my stick up! Our mast crane is too puny for my 'huge' boat and a few of the others at the club. NYC has been very generous letting us use their crane over the years. I'll probably have to motor over to a marina and have them step my mast for me. If you happened to have been around during that debacle I want you to know that I had no part in it!!! We quietly got ours down days prior during work hours when no one was around. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
Don't know how your local racing is regulated, but a whisker pole more than 1.5 J is usually not allowed. John McLaughlin CC29-2 Falcon -Original Message- From: Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 7:55 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 During a very light wind race we may just sail straight at the mark and try to set the sails out all the way, ie 90 degrees to the center line. To do that I need a long whisker pole, 22' is a little short. With a J of 13.50, a #1 foot of 22' I would need a 26' whisker pole for a perfect barn door. Note that is for sailing by the lee. With a bit more wind, and hopefully minor waves, I cross the lee and have crew hold the boom out. Without a whisker pole I can fly the headsail wing on wing. Just have to be careful, too much steering kills speed. As the wind picks up a little more we sail safer, not by the lee and use the whisker pole again. Finally, in heavier winds I switch to the spinnaker pole. We can run wing on wing up to 14 - 16 kts. Above that there is little advantage in speed. A trick to help out at the leeward rounding is to come in with main on starboard ( boom on the port side ) for rights. That will require the main to be gybed. Just as we get ~ 1 boat length away the jib sheet is eased just enough to trip the spinnaker pole at the mast and immediately take the end out and then forward. The jib is brought in rapidly with the spin pole still attached as the loose end goes to the pulpit. ie foredeck runs forward with the pole, then trips the sheet end to free it. Hard to time it perfectly but if we get that right the main is basically brought up to center as we round and go upwind. That is too rough on a whisker pole and takes too much time to collapse it. As you point out they will fold from just catching a wave. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 17:15:51 -0400 From: Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole Message-ID: 3b94d3c3-e871-440f-82e6-c29be8198...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A whisker pole should be 80 percent of the length of the LP of your largest headsail. For my 38, that calculates out to about 20' based on a J dimension a bit over 16'. Be careful that the whisker pole is of a diameter appropriate for your boat. I think Forespar has a recommendation for pole diameter by boat length. A friend bought a pole for his boat that was small diameter, and he folded the pole one day when sailing downwind in a chop and the end of the pole dipped into the water. Rick Brass ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?
I certainly would not race against uninsured boats. John McLaughlin CC29-2 Falcon -Original Message- From: Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com To: CnClist cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 6:59 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance? Guess I'm in a weird area. Louisiana is fairly litigious but I've never been asked for insurance for dockage or racing. For racing, a valid PHRF certificate is all I've been asked for. We occasionally have to sign a liability waiver for some races. I have been asked for it for dockage in Florida. I think the race organizers around here think that the USSailing coverage is adequate. Dennis C. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Rick Taillieu rtaill...@eastlink.ca wrote: Dennis, Pretty much all the clubs in the area require at least $1 million liability insurance. My club requires a current copy of the insurance certificate to be on file in the office to keep a boat here. Rick Taillieu Nemesis '75 CC 25 #371 Shearwater Yacht Club Halifax, NS. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: April-04-14 17:53 To: CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance? Mike, $2 million insurance? Hmmm. Interesting policy. How many other racing organizers require insurance? I've never had to show in any race in my area. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3722/7302 - Release Date: 04/04/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
