Re: Stus-List 3/4 ton rehab

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

Good stuff here. I am nothing if not a practical sailor. Awlgrip, as good as it 
is, is out of the question. That would be the definition of impractical on my 
little salvage project. Kind of like a gold leaf pinstripe on my Pacer.

 

There is something kind of gratifying in the thought of the sound of little 
metal balls rattling around and piles of cans on the ground.  

 

I wonder what the good folks on the Hinkley forum would have to say about all 
this. Good heavens! 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 11:33 PM
To: Della Barba, Joe; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 3/4 ton rehab

 

Practical Sailor did a review of topside paints a few years ago. Considered 
shine, ease of application, durability, UV resistance over a couple of years.

 

Two part paints like Algrip were rated best, but the Rustoleum Marine paints 
matched the performance of the best one part marine finished like Brightside, 
and only cost 1/4 as much. It was by far the best buy recommendation in the 
test.

 

I sprayed my Tanzer 16 sailing dinghy with Rustoleum marine enamel bought at 
Lowes. Primer inside and out, two different colors for hull and inside, and the 
non-skid addative for inside the hull (Rustoleum supplies that too) cost about 
$40 total. And I am totally happy with the result and the durability.

 

Rick Brass

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Re: Stus-List 3/4 ton rehab

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Practical Sailor did a review of topside paints a few years ago. Considered 
shine, ease of application, durability, UV resistance over a couple of years.

Two part paints like Algrip were rated best, but the Rustoleum Marine paints 
matched the performance of the best one part marine finished like Brightside, 
and only cost 1/4 as much. It was by far the best buy recommendation in the 
test.

I sprayed my Tanzer 16 sailing dinghy with Rustoleum marine enamel bought at 
Lowes. Primer inside and out, two different colors for hull and inside, and the 
non-skid addative for inside the hull (Rustoleum supplies that too) cost about 
$40 total. And I am totally happy with the result and the durability.

Rick Brass

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> On Aug 1, 2014, at 11:08, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
>  I found out Rust-Oleum (yes those guys) make marine paint at something like 
> ½-1/4 the price of the “marine” brands that apparently works well when 
> brushed on. I am going to try it on a cockpit hatch and see how it goes. 
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
> C&C 35 MK I
> 
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[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Note to self: Don't get work done on the boat in Chesapeake Bay.

Re $5k for cushions, I just had all the cushions done on my 38. Two v berth 
cushions plus the filler, two settee cushions plus four seat backs and four arm 
cushions, quarter berth cushion, and assorted bolster cushions and pillows for 
lounging, reading, and propping up in the v berth. Bought the new foam, 
batting, upholstery fabric, etc myself at a store in New Bern that specialized 
in upholstery stuff. It is all synthetic material to resist mildew, and came 
with some sort of scotch guard coating. Total about $1100.

Took it all to a local upholstery shop (one that doesn't specialize in boats. 
Cost to have cushions done was a bit over $1400.

I got a quote last year on painting the hull only. $100 a foot, $150 a foot 
using Algrip. Haul and remove the rig so the boat can be put in the paint shed 
about $600 additional.

Joe, sounds like you might need to plan a vacation in North Carolina.

Rick Brass

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> On Aug 1, 2014, at 10:31, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> 
> You must be *extraordinarily* good at doing work on the cheap. My boat could 
> really use new sails, topside paint, and new cushions. The cost of that 
> exceeds the market value of the boat. I did rewire my boat and that cost a 
> good chunk of your proverbial $4K doing all the work myself. I have been 
> quoted around $10K to paint the boat and over $5K to do interior cushions. I 
> am not trying to be a Richard Cranium – I love the fact an old C&C has found 
> a loving home – but I don’t see the finances working the way you think. I 
> have seen again and again that once you start taking things apart you find 
> more and more things to work on. Good luck – I am anxious to hear how you get 
> topsides and interior done so far under the going rate because I need it too. 
> I am pretty good at A4 scrounging if you need advice with that.
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
> C&C 35 MK I
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt 
> Stratton via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:32 AM
> To: 'Petar Horvatic'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>  
> Respectfully, that all depends on what you paid for the boat. I am happily 
> renewing my 1974 33 foot 3/4ton without breaking the bank and I am virtually 
> certain the value of the boat will increase beyond the money I am spending. 
> Like anything, if you buy right and have some talent you have opportunity to 
> invest a bit without worrying about losing your hard earned $$. I paid almost 
> nothing for a complete and solid yet neglected hull with a very nice rig. 
> Replacing all the windows and hatch lenses with polycarbonate cost less than 
> $600. Renewing the interior will cost me some stripping supplies, varnish and 
> paint. The cushion covers will be the biggest expense. Next year the hull and 
> deck will get a new paint job. I will also completely re-wire both AC and DC 
> systems. When I am done it will be very pretty and comfortable I will be into 
> it for about $4k total, including the purchase of the boat….. (I do the bulk 
> of the work myself) I am not including the normal cost of owning and using a 
> boat.
>  
> Now if I start doing things like a new diesel, radar, etc, it would quickly 
> become a losing proposition but I like the A-4. I am on the lookout for a 
> used radar/chartplotter in case anyone comes across something tempting..  
>  
> Peter, we will with any luck be in Newport sometime later this month for a 
> well-earned weekend on the hook. I’ll keep an eye out for the Sundowner.
>  
> Ship
> C&C 33 3/4ton
> Portsmouth, RI
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Petar 
> Horvatic via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:06 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; 'Ebay'
> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>  
> You never get back  the money you put upgrading a used sailboat.  That will 
> never sell at that price.  It’s a balsa cored production sailboat.  Not a 
> Hinckley or Alden.  On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for used 
> sailboats in the Bay area. 
>  
> Petar Horvatic
> Sundowner
> 76 C&C 38MkII
> Newport, RI
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM
> To: Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>  
> Wow!  A fully tweaked C&C 43.  Beautiful lines.  Sweet sheerline and love how 
> the cabintop blends into the foredeck.  Great upgrades.  First class job, but 
> I don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There are so many 
> other choices on the market for less than $175K.
>  
>  
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>  
> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List big

Re: Stus-List Replacing the Head -- Jabsco Lite Flush?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

$701Us plus freight seems expensive, given the West Marine has the same head in 
their catalog for $579.

The complete Jabsco electric head you have, for comparison, it $449 at WM.

I notice from the specs that the head you have draws 16 amps. The Jabsco Lite 
draws 25. The controlled water usage implies some sort of timer on the motor, 
which may be an additional source of maintenance needs. Parts should be 
available since WM sells the head.

My experience with the Jabsco electric head on my 25 was that the motor had to 
be replaced after about 12 years, when it failed because of a leaky seal 
between motor and pump. YMMV.

You might want to look at the Jabsco Quiet Flush in the WM catalog. $10 more 
than the Lite and only draws 10 amps.

Rick Brass

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> On Aug 1, 2014, at 12:04, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Listers,
> 
>   Not to bring up a s#*tty subject, but has anyone tried replacing their 
> head with a Jabsco Lite Flush? 
> http://www.jabscoshop.com/marine/marine-toilets/toilets/electric-toilets/58500-1012-lite-flush-12v-with-panel.htm
>  
> 
>   I’d love to know what you think (positives and negatives)
> 
>   I currently have a Jabsco manual with an electric conversion on it, 
> which is terribly noisy and uses a lot of juice each time it flushes. And, 
> I’ve heard the electric pump wears out every few years. This one, they say, 
> is MUCH quieter and, best of all, fits the same footprint as the manual 
> heads. 
> 
> 
>   All the best,
> 
>   Edd
> 
> 
>   Edd M. Schillay
>   Starship Enterprise
>   C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>   City Island, NY 
>   Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
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Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides

[Evan Morgan via CnC-List]

Try almost $150 a gallon. Ugh. But MAN it's great stuff! Just finished ours 
last month...easy peasy.

Evan Morgan
Wind Affair
1978 C&C 26 Encounter 
Indianapolis

-Original Message-
From: "Jack Brennan via CnC-List" 
Sent: ‎8/‎1/‎2014 8:36 PM
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides

 
Topsides as in the hull above the waterline.
 
I have put nonslip Kiwigrip on the deck with great results, with white 
Brightside in the areas that don’t require nonslip. Similar situation. It looks 
good, not as good as Awlgrip, and it’s extremely easy to touch up. Very 
functional for an older sailboat that you want to look niced without putting 
$$$ into the job.
 
Kiwigrip goes for about $100 a gallon these days. 
 
Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.
 
From: Burt Stratton 
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:02 PM
To: 'Jack Brennan' 
Subject: RE: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides
 
Thanks. “topsides” Are you talking about the hull above the waterline or the 
deck?
 
From: Jack Brennan [mailto:jackbren...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 6:42 PM
To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides
 
I painted my topsides with one-part Brightside about two years ago – flag blue 
– and have been happy with the results even in the Florida sun.
 
Yeah, you get a slight fading if you don’t wax. I don’t mind because it still 
looks good, and I don’t want to have to strip off wax to do an occasional 
touch-up when I scrape something. That’s another advantage. Stuff happens. And 
Brightside is easy to touch up. 
 
My plan is to add another coat or two when I haul out every four or five years. 
That adds about two days to my yard time. 
 
The cost to do a nice job is under $100. With good prep, there’s no problem 
with peeling or chipping. For an older small boat, I just don’t see the sense 
of spending thousands on an Awlgrip paint job. 
 
Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.
 
From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 3:16 PM
To: 'Dennis C.' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides
 
Good advice, thanks. I know the PO so perhaps he could tell me what paint was 
used last. 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 12:37 PM
To: Russ & Melody; CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides
 
I second Russ' caution.  If you're not stripping the old paint, try a test spot 
first.  Paints contain solvents which may not be compatible with other paints.
When we painted Touche' a few years ago, I prepped the hull with degreaser then 
320 grit sandpaper.  We shot a test spot of Awlcraft.  It didn't stick to the 
old paint and bubbled up where a second underlying paint had been exposed.  I 
ended up stripping all the old layers of paint with a Hutchins straight line 
sander.  Don't use a disc sander!
Even after stripping, it required 3 coats of high build primer to get good 
results.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
 
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Hi Burt (or is it Skip or Ship?),

Be careful with the epoxy paint. Unless they've change remarkably in twenty 
years you will have a chaulking problem down the road.

I had a deck cabin painted with epoxy on one boat and a mast on the other boat. 
Both of them started leaving a white residue after a 1/2 dozen years. The cabin 
would show on clothing (like after sitting on it) and the mast has a white mess 
at the base after a rain. (We live in a rain forest, south western Canada).

On Sweet I spent the extra bucks (~$600) for all supplies, and went with 2-pot 
urethane that the Admiral & I put on, roll & tip for cockpit, deck and cabin.

For an economical job go with the Rustoleum urethane and put the best primer 
you can underneath it. As you probably know, prep & primer is 80% of the job. 

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

(A4 replaced with a running take-out Yanmar diesel I got for $1500 seven years 
ago, but that's a whole 'nother topic :)


At 07:59 AM 01/08/2014, you wrote:
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Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s. 
 
I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before 
I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and 
crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked 
tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are cosmetic. Â After three 
weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do some sailing before the 
season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500 and a LOT of elbow grease. 
My wife is a very good seamstr

Re: Stus-List Proper Process for Head Pump Out + reducing head odors

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

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> Pumping free ash water through the head wil help clear the joker valve and 
> any effluent in the hose to the tank. But the flow from the head comes into 
> the tank at the top.

Any sludge left in the tank after the pump out will be in the bottom inch or so 
of the tank, which never gets completely emptied during a pump out. If the boat 
sits for a while after the pump out, the water will evaporate and leave a thick 
sludge.

Fresh water squirted into the tank from a dock hose through the pump out hose 
will enter at the bottom of the tank, is under a bit of pressure, and the flow 
rate is much higher. It should do a better job OD stirring up the sludge, 
though it will not clear the joker valve and lines.

A few gallons squirted in should help remove the sludge, then pump the tank a 
second time. This will help minimize the sludge.

Another good idea, if you boat has been sitting a while with an empty tank, is 
to put 4 or 5 gallons of dockside water in through the pump out fitting and go 
for a day sail. That should stir up the sludge. Then add more water and pump 
out at the end of your day sail.

Or you could install an Lectra-San, and you might never need to pump out again.

Rick Brass
Part time dock master and pump out operator, among other things


> 
>> On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:06 PM, Indigo via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The pump out boat operator in Edgartown MA advised partly refilling the 
>> holding tank by pumping in fresh water via the head and then pumping out. 
>> Said this stirs up any solids lying at the bottom of the tank.  Better than 
>> refilling the tank with fresh water via the deck fitting - which I had been 
>> doing. 
>> 
>> --
>> Jonathan
>> Indigo C&C 35III
>> SOUTHPORT CT
>> 
>>> On Jul 31, 2014, at 19:50, dwight via CnC-List  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jake
>>> That’s a lot of pumpin
>>>  
>>> Dwight Veinot
>>> C&C 35MKII, Alianna
>>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>>>  
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jake 
>>> Brodersen via CnC-List
>>> Sent: July 31, 2014 7:31 PM
>>> To: 'Raymond Macklin'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Proper Process for Head Pump Out + reducing head 
>>> odors
>>>  
>>> Ray,
>>>  
>>> After I pump out, I partially fill the holding tank with water and pump it 
>>> out again.  Hopefully this will reduce the amount of material inside the 
>>> tank which might lead to odors.  Others may have more effective procedures.
>>>  
>>> Jake
>>>  
>>> Jake Brodersen
>>> “Midnight Mistress”
>>> C&C 35 Mk-III
>>> Hampton VA
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Raymond 
>>> Macklin via CnC-List
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:52 PM
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Stus-List Proper Process for Head Pump Out
>>>  
>>> Is there is a recognized process to pump out the head to avoid lingering 
>>> odors.  I have heard people will run a hose at the same time as they are 
>>> pumping it out.  Anything that can help would be greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Ray
>>> LakeHouse
>>> Libertyville, IL
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Re: Stus-List 3/4 ton rehab

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

I would also note that miniwax spar varnish is as good as the marine varnishes 
costing twice as much and more.  Jerry C&C. 27 V J&J

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> On Aug 1, 2014, at 8:53 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I think RustOLeum is as good and maybe better paint than single part Interlux 
> or Petit.
> 
> About four years ago a guy down here painted his topsides with white 
> RustOLeum.  It still looks great.  He did it with a brush, and actually did 
> it with the boat in the water while sitting in a kayak.  He was talented and 
> patient.
> 
> Wal
> 
> you wrote:
>> Would like to hear how the rustoleum works out.
> 
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Re: Stus-List 3/4 ton rehab

[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

I think RustOLeum is as good and maybe better paint than single part 
Interlux or Petit.


About four years ago a guy down here painted his topsides with white 
RustOLeum.  It still looks great.  He did it with a brush, and actually 
did it with the boat in the water while sitting in a kayak.  He was 
talented and patient.


Wal

you wrote:

Would like to hear how the rustoleum works out.



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[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

Burt Stratton wrote:

 My wife is a very good seamstress and she is willing to do the cushions 
including adding some back rests. We already have the materials in hand (Sunbrella). I am 
not using Awlgrip, just some decent deck and epoxy paint.  


Skip -

Re cushions you might get some ideas from my cushion project. 



There is one thing that I *really* wish I had done.  It was part of my 
original plan, but I let a local 'expert' talk me out of it.  I wish I 
had sewn mesh into the bottom, instead of going with solid vinyl.  The 
expert owned a local SF Bay canvas shop, and certainly knew a thing or 
two about dodgers and Sunbrella stuff.  And he did cushions.  
Experienced long term cruisers had told me to line the bottom of the 
cushions with mesh (like Phifertex) so the cushions could breath.  The 
expert told me that solid vinyl was best, to avoid having mildew develop 
on the plywood bench tops.  So I followed his advice.  Well, instead of 
having mold and mildew develop on top of the benches, I have mold and 
mildew inside the cushions.  Great.  It's really only a problem on 'my 
spot' which is where I sleep/eat/watch TV and do other activities.  
However, a mesh bottom would allow one to pull cushions out and set them 
on deck in the sun so they could dry out.  Instead, I remove the foam 
from the cushions and dry them out separately. 



Wal

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Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides

[Jack Brennan via CnC-List]

Topsides as in the hull above the waterline.

I have put nonslip Kiwigrip on the deck with great results, with white 
Brightside in the areas that don’t require nonslip. Similar situation. It looks 
good, not as good as Awlgrip, and it’s extremely easy to touch up. Very 
functional for an older sailboat that you want to look niced without putting 
$$$ into the job.

Kiwigrip goes for about $100 a gallon these days.

Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.

From: Burt Stratton
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:02 PM
To: 'Jack Brennan'
Subject: RE: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides

Thanks. “topsides” Are you talking about the hull above the waterline or the 
deck?



From: Jack Brennan [mailto:jackbren...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 6:42 PM
To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides



I painted my topsides with one-part Brightside about two years ago – flag blue 
– and have been happy with the results even in the Florida sun.



Yeah, you get a slight fading if you don’t wax. I don’t mind because it still 
looks good, and I don’t want to have to strip off wax to do an occasional 
touch-up when I scrape something. That’s another advantage. Stuff happens. And 
Brightside is easy to touch up.



My plan is to add another coat or two when I haul out every four or five years. 
That adds about two days to my yard time.



The cost to do a nice job is under $100. With good prep, there’s no problem 
with peeling or chipping. For an older small boat, I just don’t see the sense 
of spending thousands on an Awlgrip paint job.



Jack Brennan

Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.



From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List

Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 3:16 PM

To: 'Dennis C.' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides



Good advice, thanks. I know the PO so perhaps he could tell me what paint was 
used last.



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 12:37 PM
To: Russ & Melody; CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides



I second Russ' caution.  If you're not stripping the old paint, try a test spot 
first.  Paints contain solvents which may not be compatible with other paints.

When we painted Touche' a few years ago, I prepped the hull with degreaser then 
320 grit sandpaper.  We shot a test spot of Awlcraft.  It didn't stick to the 
old paint and bubbled up where a second underlying paint had been exposed.  I 
ended up stripping all the old layers of paint with a Hutchins straight line 
sander.  Don't use a disc sander!

Even after stripping, it required 3 coats of high build primer to get good 
results.

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA



On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Burt (or is it Skip or Ship?),

Be careful with the epoxy paint. Unless they've change remarkably in twenty 
years you will have a chaulking problem down the road.

I had a deck cabin painted with epoxy on one boat and a mast on the other boat. 
Both of them started leaving a white residue after a 1/2 dozen years. The cabin 
would show on clothing (like after sitting on it) and the mast has a white mess 
at the base after a rain. (We live in a rain forest, south western Canada).

On Sweet I spent the extra bucks (~$600) for all supplies, and went with 2-pot 
urethane that the Admiral & I put on, roll & tip for cockpit, deck and cabin.

For an economical job go with the Rustoleum urethane and put the best primer 
you can underneath it. As you probably know, prep & primer is 80% of the job.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

(A4 replaced with a running take-out Yanmar diesel I got for $1500 seven years 
ago, but that's a whole 'nother topic :)


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Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s.

I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before 
I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and 
crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked 
tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are cosmetic. Â After three 
weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do some sailing before the 
season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500 and a LOT of elbow grease. 
My wife is a very good seamstress and she is willing to do the cushions 
including adding some back rests. We already have the materials in hand 
(Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some decent deck and epoxy paint. The 
hull is in good shape and I will not be completely stripping the old paint. It 
is in good shape, just a little beat up and the wrong color. I am 

Re: Stus-List 3/4 ton rehab

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Would like to hear how the rustoleum works out.

Sent from a mobile device.
On Aug 1, 2014 8:08 AM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  We used to race against a ¾ ton special painted black called 007.
> Boat-for-boat we were as close to dead-even as could be but we owed them
> time. If memory serves we rated 126 and they were 130-140 something. I
> found out Rust-Oleum (yes those guys) make marine paint at something like
> ½-1/4 the price of the “marine” brands that apparently works well when
> brushed on. I am going to try it on a cockpit hatch and see how it goes.
> You did luck out with the A4 – there are always deals on parts for those
> for determined scroungers and many of the diesels of that era have NO parts
> at all available anymore.
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
> *if anyone wants to buy her for what I have in the boat I can run off and
> buy a 43 LOL
>
>
>
> *From:* Burt Stratton [mailto:bstrat...@falconnect.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, August 01, 2014 11:00 AM
> *To:* Della Barba, Joe; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* RE: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>
>
>
> Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s.
>
>
>
> I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room
> before I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the
> rig and crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The
> boat looked tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are
> cosmetic.  After three weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do
> some sailing before the season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500
> and a LOT of elbow grease. My wife is a very good seamstress and she is
> willing to do the cushions including adding some back rests. We already
> have the materials in hand (Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some
> decent deck and epoxy paint. The hull is in good shape and I will not be
> completely stripping the old paint. It is in good shape, just a little beat
> up and the wrong color. I am keeping in mind that this is not ever going to
> be a show boat. Just making it look good and feel good for two to spend a
> weekend on board. If sails come into the picture that number goes out the
> door. We will see where it all ends up but I am confident at this point
> that my efforts on this boat will (for the first time in my life) probably
> come back to me when I sell her for a bigger boat (the real upgrade). My
> guess is that I could have at least tripled my purchase price without doing
> anything but what fun is that?
>
>
>
> Best
>
> Skip
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, August 01, 2014 10:31 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>
>
>
> You must be **extraordinarily** good at doing work on the cheap. My boat
> could really use new sails, topside paint, and new cushions. The cost of
> that exceeds the market value of the boat. I did rewire my boat and that
> cost a good chunk of your proverbial $4K doing all the work myself. I have
> been quoted around $10K to paint the boat and over $5K to do interior
> cushions. I am not trying to be a Richard Cranium – I love the fact an old
> C&C has found a loving home – but I don’t see the finances working the way
> you think. I have seen again and again that once you start taking things
> apart you find more and more things to work on. Good luck – I am anxious to
> hear how you get topsides and interior done so far under the going rate
> because I need it too. I am pretty good at A4 scrounging if you need advice
> with that.
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Burt Stratton via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, August 01, 2014 9:32 AM
> *To:* 'Petar Horvatic'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>
>
>
> Respectfully, that all depends on what you paid for the boat. I am happily
> renewing my 1974 33 foot 3/4ton without breaking the bank and I am
> virtually certain the value of the boat will increase beyond the money I am
> spending. Like anything, if you buy right and have some talent you have
> opportunity to invest a bit without worrying about losing your hard earned
> $$. I paid almost nothing for a complete and solid yet neglected hull with
> a very nice rig. Replacing all the windows and hatch lenses with
> polycarbonate cost less than $600. Renewing the interior will cost me some
> stripping supplies, varnish and paint. The cushion covers will be the
> biggest expense. Next year the hull and deck will get a new paint job. I
> will also completely re-wire both AC and DC systems. When I am done it will
> be very pretty and comfortable I will be into it for about $4k total,
> including the purchase of the boat….. (I do the bulk of the work myself) I
> am not including the no

Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

Yeah. The only way I am spraying is to take my boat home… which is not entirely 
out of the question. I have a friend who is a master at spaying paint. He has 
countless classic show cars to his credit. Many are Corvettes so he has 
experience with fiberglass. Wait. I said I am not creating a show boat. Roller 
and tip will do just fine. It’s all about the preparation. I just want to go 
sailing! 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chris Price 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 6:57 PM
To: Jack Brennan; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides

 

I painted my boat for less than $2,500 a couple of years ago. Did all of the 
prep work, bought the Awlgrip primer and paint, and hired a guy to shoot it. 
After the haul out, storage for the month, painting, new shaft, dripless shaft 
log, new cutlass bearing, bottom paint and relaunch I think I was up to $4,000 
all in. Of course, nowadays most yards won't allow you to spray Awlgrip without 
an environmentally sound, enclosed space. I was lucky and got away with it.

 

Chris Price

Pradel

35 MK I

 

  _  

From: "Jack Brennan via CnC-List" 
To: "Burt Stratton" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Friday, August 1, 2014 6:41:39 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides

 

I painted my topsides with one-part Brightside about two years ago – flag blue 
– and have been happy with the results even in the Florida sun.

 

Yeah, you get a slight fading if you don’t wax. I don’t mind because it still 
looks good, and I don’t want to have to strip off wax to do an occasional 
touch-up when I scrape something. That’s another advantage. Stuff happens. And 
Brightside is easy to touch up.

 

My plan is to add another coat or two when I haul out every four or five years. 
That adds about two days to my yard time.

 

The cost to do a nice job is under $100. With good prep, there’s no problem 
with peeling or chipping. For an older small boat, I just don’t see the sense 
of spending thousands on an Awlgrip paint job.

 

Jack Brennan

Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.

 

From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List  

Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 3:16 PM

To: 'Dennis C.'   ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides

 

Good advice, thanks. I know the PO so perhaps he could tell me what paint was 
used last. 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 12:37 PM
To: Russ & Melody; CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides

 

I second Russ' caution.  If you're not stripping the old paint, try a test spot 
first.  Paints contain solvents which may not be compatible with other paints.

When we painted Touche' a few years ago, I prepped the hull with degreaser then 
320 grit sandpaper.  We shot a test spot of Awlcraft.  It didn't stick to the 
old paint and bubbled up where a second underlying paint had been exposed.  I 
ended up stripping all the old layers of paint with a Hutchins straight line 
sander.  Don't use a disc sander!

Even after stripping, it required 3 coats of high build primer to get good 
results.

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Burt (or is it Skip or Ship?),

 

Be careful with the epoxy paint. Unless they've change remarkably in twenty 
years you will have a chaulking problem down the road.

 

I had a deck cabin painted with epoxy on one boat and a mast on the other boat. 
Both of them started leaving a white residue after a 1/2 dozen years. The cabin 
would show on clothing (like after sitting on it) and the mast has a white mess 
at the base after a rain. (We live in a rain forest, south western Canada).

 

On Sweet I spent the extra bucks (~$600) for all supplies, and went with 2-pot 
urethane that the Admiral & I put on, roll & tip for cockpit, deck and cabin.

 

For an economical job go with the Rustoleum urethane and put the best primer 
you can underneath it. As you probably know, prep & primer is 80% of the job. 

 

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

 

(A4 replaced with a running take-out Yanmar diesel I got for $1500 seven years 
ago, but that's a whole 'nother topic :)

 


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Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s. 
 
I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before 
I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and 
crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked 
tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are cosmetic. Â After three 

Stus-List 29 mk 2 hood / hatch

[Bob Hickson via CnC-List]

I removed the fiberglass hood on my 29 mk 2. 

It lifts straight off the cabin top when you remove all the screws around
the perimeter.

When the hood is removed, the plexiglass sliding hatch lifts off the teak
"runners and you should be able to refinish them with no trouble.

Make sure that you fill the holes in the cabin top with sealant before you
screw it back down ... you will have leaks if you do not reseal the screws

 

Best regards,

Bob Hickson, P. Eng, RHI, CEA

C&C 29-2 Flying Colours

Frenchman's Bay Yacht Club

Pickering, ON

(416) 919-2297

  bobhick...@rogers.com

 

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Re: Stus-List Hatch cover or hood for a C and C 29-2

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

I just took my sliding companionway hatch off my 33 ¾ tonner and refinished
all the teak and replaced the plastic sliding hatch with polycarbonate. My
rails are metal. Stainless I think. The teak is attached to the sliding
hatch with a groove that keeps it from coming up off the rails. Had to take
the teak off the hatch to get it off. The rails stayed on the cabin roof.
The hood came off with 6 screws. All pretty easy. Not sure if your setup is
similar. I took all the teak off and refinished it and just re-installed it
on the new hatch. Looks great. No big swing. Good luck

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Shincke via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 6:33 PM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Hatch cover or hood for a C and C 29-2

 

Has any one removed the hood over the sliding hatch on a C and C 29-2 and
re- finished the

teak ( I think) rails that the plexiglass slides on? Are there any special
problems I should be aware of? Thanks

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Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides

[Chris Price via CnC-List]

I painted my boat for less than $2,500 a couple of years ago. Did all of the 
prep work, bought the Awlgrip primer and paint, and hired a guy to shoot it. 
After the haul out, storage for the month, painting, new shaft, dripless shaft 
log, new cutlass bearing, bottom paint and relaunch I think I was up to $4,000 
all in. Of course, nowadays most yards won't allow you to spray Awlgrip without 
an environmentally sound, enclosed space. I was lucky and got away with it. 

Chris Price 
Pradel 
35 MK I 

- Original Message -

From: "Jack Brennan via CnC-List"  
To: "Burt Stratton" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Friday, August 1, 2014 6:41:39 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides 

I painted my topsides with one-part Brightside about two years ago – flag blue 
– and have been happy with the results even in the Florida sun. 
Yeah, you get a slight fading if you don’t wax. I don’t mind because it still 
looks good, and I don’t want to have to strip off wax to do an occasional 
touch-up when I scrape something. That’s another advantage. Stuff happens. And 
Brightside is easy to touch up. 
My plan is to add another coat or two when I haul out every four or five years. 
That adds about two days to my yard time. 
The cost to do a nice job is under $100. With good prep, there’s no problem 
with peeling or chipping. For an older small boat, I just don’t see the sense 
of spending thousands on an Awlgrip paint job. 
Jack Brennan 
Former C&C 25 
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 
Tierra Verde, Fl. 
From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 3:16 PM 
To: 'Dennis C.' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides 


Good advice, thanks. I know the PO so perhaps he could tell me what paint was 
used last. 



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 12:37 PM 
To: Russ & Melody; CnClist 
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides 




I second Russ' caution. If you're not stripping the old paint, try a test spot 
first. Paints contain solvents which may not be compatible with other paints. 


When we painted Touche' a few years ago, I prepped the hull with degreaser then 
320 grit sandpaper. We shot a test spot of Awlcraft. It didn't stick to the old 
paint and bubbled up where a second underlying paint had been exposed. I ended 
up stripping all the old layers of paint with a Hutchins straight line sander. 
Don't use a disc sander! 


Even after stripping, it required 3 coats of high build primer to get good 
results. 


Dennis C. 


Touche' 35-1 #83 


Mandeville, LA 





On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 


Hi Burt (or is it Skip or Ship?), 



Be careful with the epoxy paint. Unless they've change remarkably in twenty 
years you will have a chaulking problem down the road. 



I had a deck cabin painted with epoxy on one boat and a mast on the other boat. 
Both of them started leaving a white residue after a 1/2 dozen years. The cabin 
would show on clothing (like after sitting on it) and the mast has a white mess 
at the base after a rain. (We live in a rain forest, south western Canada). 



On Sweet I spent the extra bucks (~$600) for all supplies, and went with 2-pot 
urethane that the Admiral & I put on, roll & tip for cockpit, deck and cabin. 



For an economical job go with the Rustoleum urethane and put the best primer 
you can underneath it. As you probably know, prep & primer is 80% of the job. 



Cheers, Russ 
Sweet 35 mk-1 



(A4 replaced with a running take-out Yanmar diesel I got for $1500 seven years 
ago, but that's a whole 'nother topic :) 




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Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s. 

I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before 
I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and 
crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked 
tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are cosmetic. Â After three 
weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do some sailing before the 
season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500 and a LOT of elbow grease. 
My wife is a very good seamstress and she is willing to do the cushions 
including adding some back rests. We already have the materials in hand 
(Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some decent deck and epoxy paint. The 
hull is in good shape and I will not be completely stripping the old paint. It 
is in good shape, just a little beat up and the wrong color. I am keeping in 
mind that this is not ever going to be a show boat. Just making it look good 
and feel good for two to spend a weekend on board. If sails come into t

Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides

[Jack Brennan via CnC-List]

I painted my topsides with one-part Brightside about two years ago – flag blue 
– and have been happy with the results even in the Florida sun.

Yeah, you get a slight fading if you don’t wax. I don’t mind because it still 
looks good, and I don’t want to have to strip off wax to do an occasional 
touch-up when I scrape something. That’s another advantage. Stuff happens. And 
Brightside is easy to touch up.

My plan is to add another coat or two when I haul out every four or five years. 
That adds about two days to my yard time.

The cost to do a nice job is under $100. With good prep, there’s no problem 
with peeling or chipping. For an older small boat, I just don’t see the sense 
of spending thousands on an Awlgrip paint job.

Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.

From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 3:16 PM
To: 'Dennis C.' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides

Good advice, thanks. I know the PO so perhaps he could tell me what paint was 
used last.



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 12:37 PM
To: Russ & Melody; CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides



I second Russ' caution.  If you're not stripping the old paint, try a test spot 
first.  Paints contain solvents which may not be compatible with other paints.

When we painted Touche' a few years ago, I prepped the hull with degreaser then 
320 grit sandpaper.  We shot a test spot of Awlcraft.  It didn't stick to the 
old paint and bubbled up where a second underlying paint had been exposed.  I 
ended up stripping all the old layers of paint with a Hutchins straight line 
sander.  Don't use a disc sander!

Even after stripping, it required 3 coats of high build primer to get good 
results.

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA



On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Burt (or is it Skip or Ship?),

Be careful with the epoxy paint. Unless they've change remarkably in twenty 
years you will have a chaulking problem down the road.

I had a deck cabin painted with epoxy on one boat and a mast on the other boat. 
Both of them started leaving a white residue after a 1/2 dozen years. The cabin 
would show on clothing (like after sitting on it) and the mast has a white mess 
at the base after a rain. (We live in a rain forest, south western Canada).

On Sweet I spent the extra bucks (~$600) for all supplies, and went with 2-pot 
urethane that the Admiral & I put on, roll & tip for cockpit, deck and cabin.

For an economical job go with the Rustoleum urethane and put the best primer 
you can underneath it. As you probably know, prep & primer is 80% of the job.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

(A4 replaced with a running take-out Yanmar diesel I got for $1500 seven years 
ago, but that's a whole 'nother topic :)


At 07:59 AM 01/08/2014, you wrote:



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Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s.

I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before 
I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and 
crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked 
tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are cosmetic. Â After three 
weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do some sailing before the 
season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500 and a LOT of elbow grease. 
My wife is a very good seamstress and she is willing to do the cushions 
including adding some back rests. We already have the materials in hand 
(Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some decent deck and epoxy paint. The 
hull is in good shape and I will not be completely stripping the old paint. It 
is in good shape, just a little beat up and the wrong color. I am keeping in 
mind that this is not ever going to be a show boat. Just making it look good 
and feel good for two to spend a weekend on board. If sails come into the 
picture that number goes out the door. We will see where it all ends up but I 
am confident at this point that my efforts on this boat will (for the first 
time in my life) probably come back to me when I sell her for a bigger boat 
(the real upgrade). My guess is that I could have at least tripled my purchase 
price without doing anything but what fun is that?

Best
Skip







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Stus-List Hatch cover or hood for a C and C 29-2

[Jack Shincke via CnC-List]

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Stus-List cnc43 total redo

[Jimmy Kelly via CnC-List]

this price in the 200s is right in line with total redone cnc43i doubt
you can get more yacht for the price.can get larger  cncs for less but
condition sets price  not age...this one really looks goodsomeone will
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Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

Good advice, thanks. I know the PO so perhaps he could tell me what paint was 
used last. 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 12:37 PM
To: Russ & Melody; CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides

 

I second Russ' caution.  If you're not stripping the old paint, try a test spot 
first.  Paints contain solvents which may not be compatible with other paints.

When we painted Touche' a few years ago, I prepped the hull with degreaser then 
320 grit sandpaper.  We shot a test spot of Awlcraft.  It didn't stick to the 
old paint and bubbled up where a second underlying paint had been exposed.  I 
ended up stripping all the old layers of paint with a Hutchins straight line 
sander.  Don't use a disc sander!

Even after stripping, it required 3 coats of high build primer to get good 
results.

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Burt (or is it Skip or Ship?),

Be careful with the epoxy paint. Unless they've change remarkably in twenty 
years you will have a chaulking problem down the road.

I had a deck cabin painted with epoxy on one boat and a mast on the other boat. 
Both of them started leaving a white residue after a 1/2 dozen years. The cabin 
would show on clothing (like after sitting on it) and the mast has a white mess 
at the base after a rain. (We live in a rain forest, south western Canada).

On Sweet I spent the extra bucks (~$600) for all supplies, and went with 2-pot 
urethane that the Admiral & I put on, roll & tip for cockpit, deck and cabin.

For an economical job go with the Rustoleum urethane and put the best primer 
you can underneath it. As you probably know, prep & primer is 80% of the job. 

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

(A4 replaced with a running take-out Yanmar diesel I got for $1500 seven years 
ago, but that's a whole 'nother topic :)


At 07:59 AM 01/08/2014, you wrote:



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Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s. 
 
I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before 
I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and 
crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked 
tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are cosmetic. Â After three 
weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do some sailing before the 
season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500 and a LOT of elbow grease. 
My wife is a very good seamstress and she is willing to do the cushions 
including adding some back rests. We already have the materials in hand 
(Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some decent deck and epoxy paint. The 
hull is in good shape and I will not be completely stripping the old paint. It 
is in good shape, just a little beat up and the wrong color. I am keeping in 
mind that this is not ever going to be a show boat. Just making it look good 
and feel good for two to spend a weekend on board. If sails come into the 
picture that number goes out the door. We will see where it all ends up but I 
am confident at this point that my efforts on this boat will (for the first 
time in my life) probably come back to me when I sell her for a bigger boat 
(the real upgrade). My guess is that I could have at least tripled my purchase 
price without doing anything but what fun is that?
 
Best
Skip 
 

 

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[Charlie Normand via CnC-List]

Aren't we overthinking this?  It may simply be that the owner promised his
captain that he would "try" to sell it as long as he could still use it
while it was "on the market"?


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You never get back  the money you put upgrading a used sailboat.  That
> will never sell at that price.  It’s a balsa cored production sailboat.
> Not a Hinckley or Alden.  On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for
> used sailboats in the Bay area.
>
>
>
> Petar Horvatic
>
> Sundowner
>
> 76 C&C 38MkII
>
> Newport, RI
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck
> S via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM
> *To:* Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>
>
>
> Wow!  A fully tweaked C&C 43.  Beautiful lines.  Sweet sheerline and love
> how the cabintop blends into the foredeck.  Great upgrades.  First class
> job, but I don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There
> are so many other choices on the market for less than $175K.
>
>
>
>
>
> Chuck
> *Resolute*
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> *To: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>
>
>
> Shame really.  Someone put some money into her.  More money to go I'm
> afraid.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:00 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Discounted already……..
>
>
>
>
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C-%26-C-Custom-2598240/Sanfrancisco/CA/United-States
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:41 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>
>
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html
>
>
>
> Nice
>
> Expensive
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> *Coquina*
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[Monty Schumpert via CnC-List]

> I have an old Raytheon radar and chart plotter with an extra cockpit display 
> mounted in a Navpod enclosure for 9.5" pedestal guards. All cables are 
> included and the unit is in good working order. Contact me off list if you 
> are interested.

Monty
Scandia
1991 C&C 34+
Annapolis,MD

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Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now painting topsides

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I second Russ' caution.  If you're not stripping the old paint, try a test
spot first.  Paints contain solvents which may not be compatible with other
paints.

When we painted Touche' a few years ago, I prepped the hull with degreaser
then 320 grit sandpaper.  We shot a test spot of Awlcraft.  It didn't stick
to the old paint and bubbled up where a second underlying paint had been
exposed.  I ended up stripping all the old layers of paint with a Hutchins
straight line sander.  Don't use a disc sander!

Even after stripping, it required 3 coats of high build primer to get good
results.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  Hi Burt (or is it Skip or Ship?),
>
> Be careful with the epoxy paint. Unless they've change remarkably in
> twenty years you will have a chaulking problem down the road.
>
> I had a deck cabin painted with epoxy on one boat and a mast on the other
> boat. Both of them started leaving a white residue after a 1/2 dozen years.
> The cabin would show on clothing (like after sitting on it) and the mast
> has a white mess at the base after a rain. (We live in a rain forest, south
> western Canada).
>
> On *Sweet *I spent the extra bucks (~$600) for all supplies, and went
> with 2-pot urethane that the Admiral & I put on, roll & tip for cockpit,
> deck and cabin.
>
> For an economical job go with the Rustoleum urethane and put the best
> primer you can underneath it. As you probably know, prep & primer is 80% of
> the job.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35 mk-1
>
> (A4 replaced with a running take-out Yanmar diesel I got for $1500 seven
> years ago, but that's a whole 'nother topic :)
>
>
> At 07:59 AM 01/08/2014, you wrote:
>
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>  boundary="=_NextPart_000_0519_01CFAD77.AF3D5720"
> Content-Language: en-us
>
> Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s.
>
> I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room
> before I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the
> rig and crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The
> boat looked tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are
> cosmetic. Â After three weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do
> some sailing before the season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500
> and a LOT of elbow grease. My wife is a very good seamstress and she is
> willing to do the cushions including adding some back rests. We already
> have the materials in hand (Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some
> decent deck and epoxy paint. The hull is in good shape and I will not be
> completely stripping the old paint. It is in good shape, just a little beat
> up and the wrong color. I am keeping in mind that this is not ever going to
> be a show boat. Just making it look good and feel good for two to spend a
> weekend on board. If sails come into the picture that number goes out the
> door. We will see where it all ends up but I am confident at this point
> that my efforts on this boat will (for the first time in my life) probably
> come back to me when I sell her for a bigger boat (the real upgrade). My
> guess is that I could have at least tripled my purchase price without doing
> anything but what fun is that?
>
> Best
> Skip
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Radar chart plotter

[Fair, Mike via CnC-List]

I am interested. 

Thanks,

Mike Fair
413.587.6535

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Maturo, John 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 11:57 AM
To: 
Subject: Stus-List Radar chart plotter

I have 10 yr old furuno radar and chart plotter with 2 chart chips covering nj 
to Maine  

The boat is in new London. Call if you are interested. 

Ashe Baltic 39

John Maturo
203-494-6782

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>   1.  3/4 ton rehab (Della Barba, Joe)
>   2. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Jerome Tauber)
>   3. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Petar Horvatic)
>   4. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Joel Aronson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 15:08:02 +
> From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
> To: Burt Stratton , "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
>
> Subject: Stus-List 3/4 ton rehab
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> We used to race against a ? ton special painted black called 007. 
> Boat-for-boat we were as close to dead-even as could be but we owed them 
> time. If memory serves we rated 126 and they were 130-140 something. I found 
> out Rust-Oleum (yes those guys) make marine paint at something like ?-1/4 the 
> price of the ?marine? brands that apparently works well when brushed on. I am 
> going to try it on a cockpit hatch and see how it goes. You did luck out with 
> the A4 ? there are always deals on parts for those for determined scroungers 
> and many of the diesels of that era have NO parts at all available anymore.
> 
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
> C&C 35 MK I
> *if anyone wants to buy her for what I have in the boat I can run off 
> and buy a 43 LOL
> 
> From: Burt Stratton [mailto:bstrat...@falconnect.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 11:00 AM
> To: Della Barba, Joe; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: RE: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
> 
> Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s.
> 
> I?m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before 
> I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and 
> crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked 
> tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are cosmetic.  After three 
> weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do some sailing before the 
> season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500 and a LOT of elbow 
> grease. My wife is a very good seamstress and she is willing to do the 
> cushions including adding some back rests. We already have the materials in 
> hand (Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some decent deck and epoxy 
> paint. The hull is in good shape and I will not be completely stripping the 
> old paint. It is in good shape, just a little beat up and the wrong color. I 
> am keeping in mind that this is not ever going to be a show boat. Just making 
> it look good and feel good for two to spend a weekend on board. If sails come 
> into !
> the picture that number goes out the door. We will see where it all ends up 
> but I am confident at this point that my efforts on this boat will (for the 
> first time in my life) probably come back to me when I sell her for a bigger 
> boat (the real upgrade). My guess is that I could have at least tripled my 
> purchase price without doing anything but what fun is that?
> 
> Best
> Skip
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
> Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 10:31 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
> 
> You must be *extraordinarily* good at doing work on the cheap. My boat could 
> really use new sails, topside paint, and new cushions. The cost of that 
> exceeds the market value of the boat. I did rewire my boat and that cost a 
> good chunk of your proverbial $4K doing all the work myself. I have been 
> quoted around $10K to paint the boat and over $5K to do interior cushions. I 
> am not trying to be a Richard Cranium ? I love the fact an old C&C has found 
> a loving home ? but I don?t see the finances working the way you think. I 
> have seen again and again that once you start taking things apart you find 
> more and more things to work on. Good luck ? I am anxious to hear how you get 
> topsides and interior done so far under the going rate b

cnc-list@cnc-list.com

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Burt (or is it Skip or Ship?),

Be careful with the epoxy paint. Unless they've 
change remarkably in twenty years you will have a 
chaulking problem down the road.


I had a deck cabin painted with epoxy on one boat 
and a mast on the other boat. Both of them 
started leaving a white residue after a 1/2 dozen 
years. The cabin would show on clothing (like 
after sitting on it) and the mast has a white 
mess at the base after a rain. (We live in a rain 
forest, south western Canada).


On Sweet I spent the extra bucks (~$600) for all 
supplies, and went with 2-pot urethane that the 
Admiral & I put on, roll & tip for cockpit, deck and cabin.


For an economical job go with the Rustoleum 
urethane and put the best primer you can 
underneath it. As you probably know, prep & primer is 80% of the job.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

(A4 replaced with a running take-out Yanmar 
diesel I got for $1500 seven years ago, but that's a whole 'nother topic :)



At 07:59 AM 01/08/2014, you wrote:

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Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s.

I’m sure you are right about the estimate but 
I have some wiggle room before I get to the 
value of the boat. The PO was planning on 
salvaging the rig and crushing the hull so you 
can imagine what I might have paid. The boat 
looked tough but most of the issues (and there 
are a lot) are cosmetic. Â After three weeks we 
are ready to get her in the water and do some 
sailing before the season is over. I have spent 
so far just over $1500 and a LOT of elbow 
grease. My wife is a very good seamstress and 
she is willing to do the cushions including 
adding some back rests. We already have the 
materials in hand (Sunbrella). I am not using 
Awlgrip, just some decent deck and epoxy paint. 
The hull is in good shape and I will not be 
completely stripping the old paint. It is in 
good shape, just a little beat up and the wrong 
color. I am keeping in mind that this is not 
ever going to be a show boat. Just making it 
look good and feel good for two to spend a 
weekend on board. If sails come into the picture 
that number goes out the door. We will see where 
it all ends up but I am confident at this point 
that my efforts on this boat will (for the first 
time in my life) probably come back to me when I 
sell her for a bigger boat (the real upgrade). 
My guess is that I could have at least tripled 
my purchase price without doing anything but what fun is that?


Best
Skip

From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf 
Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List

Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 10:31 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

You must be *extraordinarily* good at doing work 
on the cheap. My boat could really use new 
sails, topside paint, and new cushions. The cost 
of that exceeds the market value of the boat. I 
did rewire my boat and that cost a good chunk of 
your proverbial $4K doing all the work myself. I 
have been quoted around $10K to paint the boat 
and over $5K to do interior cushions. I am not 
trying to be a Richard Cranium – I love the fact 
an old C&C has found a loving home – but I 
don’t see the finances working the way you 
think. I have seen again and again that once you 
start taking things apart you find more and more 
things to work on. Good luck – I am anxious to 
hear how you get topsides and interior done so 
far under the going rate because I need it too. 
I am pretty good at A4 scrounging if you need advice with that.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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On Behalf Of Burt Stratton via CnC-List

Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:32 AM
To: 'Petar Horvatic'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

Respectfully, that all depends on what you paid 
for the boat. I am happily renewing my 1974 33 
foot 3/4ton without breaking the bank and I am 
virtually certain the value of the boat will 
increase beyond the money I am spending. Like 
anything, if you buy right and have some talent 
you have opportunity to invest a bit without 
worrying about losing your hard earned $$. I 
paid almost nothing for a complete and solid yet 
neglected hull with a very nice rig. Replacing 
all the windows and hatch lenses with 
polycarbonate cost less than $600. Renewing the 
interior will cost me some stripping supplies, 
varnish and paint. The cushion covers will be 
the biggest expense. Next year the hull and deck 
will get a new paint job. I will also completely 
re-wire both AC and DC systems. When I am done 
it will be very pretty and comfortable I will be 
into it for about $4k total, including the 
purchase of the boat….. (I do the bulk of the 
work myself) I am not including the normal cost of owning and using a boat.

Stus-List Replacing the Head -- Jabsco Lite Flush?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

Not to bring up a s#*tty subject, but has anyone tried replacing their 
head with a Jabsco Lite Flush? 
http://www.jabscoshop.com/marine/marine-toilets/toilets/electric-toilets/58500-1012-lite-flush-12v-with-panel.htm
 

I’d love to know what you think (positives and negatives)

I currently have a Jabsco manual with an electric conversion on it, 
which is terribly noisy and uses a lot of juice each time it flushes. And, I’ve 
heard the electric pump wears out every few years. This one, they say, is MUCH 
quieter and, best of all, fits the same footprint as the manual heads. 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log

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Stus-List Radar chart plotter

[Maturo, John via CnC-List]

 more and more things to work on. Good luck ? I am anxious to hear how you get 
> topsides and interior done so far under the going rate because I need it too. 
> I am pretty good at A4 scrounging if you need advice with that.
> 
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
> C&C 35 MK I
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt 
> Stratton via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:32 AM
> To: 'Petar Horvatic'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
> 
> Respectfully, that all depends on what you paid for the boat. I am happily 
> renewing my 1974 33 foot 3/4ton without breaking the bank and I am virtually 
> certain the value of the boat will increase beyond the money I am spending. 
> Like anything, if you buy right and have some talent you have opportunity to 
> invest a bit without worrying about losing your hard earned $$. I paid almost 
> nothing for a complete and solid yet neglected hull with a very nice rig. 
> Replacing all the windows and hatch lenses with polycarbonate cost less than 
> $600. Renewing the interior will cost me some stripping supplies, varnish and 
> paint. The cushion covers will be the biggest expense. Next year the hull and 
> deck will get a new paint job. I will also completely re-wire both AC and DC 
> systems. When I am done it will be very pretty and comfortable I will be into 
> it for about $4k total, including the purchase of the boat?.. (I do the bulk 
> of the work myself) I am not including the normal cost of owning an!
> d using a boat.
> 
> Now if I start doing things like a new diesel, radar, etc, it would quickly 
> become a losing proposition but I like the A-4. I am on the lookout for a 
> used radar/chartplotter in case anyone comes across something tempting..
> 
> Peter, we will with any luck be in Newport sometime later this month for a 
> well-earned weekend on the hook. I?ll keep an eye out for the Sundowner.
> 
> Ship
> C&C 33 3/4ton
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> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 11:14:04 -0400
> From: Jerome Tauber 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
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> I wonder how much a new Redwing 41 is?   Probably in the same price range.  
> Jerry c&c 27 v J&J
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:05 AM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You never get back  the money you put upgrading a used sailboat.  That will 
>> never sell at that price.  It?s a balsa cored production sailboat.  Not a 
>> Hinckley or Alden.  On the other hand, note to myself don?t look for used 
>> sailboats in the Bay area. 
>> 
>> Petar Horvatic
>> Sundowner
>> 76 C&C 38MkII
>> Newport, RI
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S 
>> via CnC-List
>> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM
>> To: Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>> 
>> Wow!  A fully tweaked C&C 43.  Beautiful lines.  Sweet sheerline and love 
>> how the cabintop blends into the foredeck.  Great upgrades.  First class 
>> job, but I don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There 
>> are so many other choices on the market for less than $175K.
>> 
>> 
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>> 
>> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
>> To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>> 
>> Shame really.  Someone put some money into her.  More money to go I'm afraid.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:00 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Discounted already??..
>> 
>> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C-%26-C-Custom-2598240/Sanfrancisco/CA/United-States
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della 
>> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
>> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:41 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C - now restoring old boats

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

It's rare to make a "profit" on an old boat.  Basically, you need to buy
one at salvage value that only needs cosmetic work, do the minimum and sell
it quickly before dockage fees eat any potential profit.

After Hurricane Katrina there were scores of "totaled" boats here in
Louisiana.  There are several of us here that work on boats and can do most
repairs needed.  How many of these boats did we buy?  Zero.  We knew we'd
end up working for $5 an hour to fix them.

Most went to people who wanted one to live on.  They probably did nothing
except tow the boat to a cheap marina, put a window air conditioner in it
and live on it.  Some went to new owners who wanted to fix them up and keep
them.  The rest were stripped, cut up and "dumpstered".

You restore an old boat for the joy of doing it, because you enjoy it,
because it's a passion.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s.
>
>
>
> I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room
> before I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the
> rig and crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The
> boat looked tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are
> cosmetic.  After three weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do
> some sailing before the season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500
> and a LOT of elbow grease. My wife is a very good seamstress and she is
> willing to do the cushions including adding some back rests. We already
> have the materials in hand (Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some
> decent deck and epoxy paint. The hull is in good shape and I will not be
> completely stripping the old paint. It is in good shape, just a little beat
> up and the wrong color. I am keeping in mind that this is not ever going to
> be a show boat. Just making it look good and feel good for two to spend a
> weekend on board. If sails come into the picture that number goes out the
> door. We will see where it all ends up but I am confident at this point
> that my efforts on this boat will (for the first time in my life) probably
> come back to me when I sell her for a bigger boat (the real upgrade). My
> guess is that I could have at least tripled my purchase price without doing
> anything but what fun is that?
>
>
>
> Best
>
> Skip
>
>
>
>
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[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Saw an estimated price of $410,000 for the Redwing.

Joel


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I wonder how much a new Redwing 41 is?   Probably in the same price range.
>  Jerry c&c 27 v J&J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:05 AM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> You never get back  the money you put upgrading a used sailboat.  That
> will never sell at that price.  It’s a balsa cored production sailboat.
> Not a Hinckley or Alden.  On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for
> used sailboats in the Bay area.
>
>
>
> Petar Horvatic
>
> Sundowner
>
> 76 C&C 38MkII
>
> Newport, RI
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Chuck S via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM
> *To:* Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>
>
>
> Wow!  A fully tweaked C&C 43.  Beautiful lines.  Sweet sheerline and love
> how the cabintop blends into the foredeck.  Great upgrades.  First class
> job, but I don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There
> are so many other choices on the market for less than $175K.
>
>
>
>
>
> Chuck
> *Resolute*
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> *To: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>
>
>
> Shame really.  Someone put some money into her.  More money to go I'm
> afraid.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:00 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Discounted already……..
>
>
>
>
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C-%26-C-Custom-2598240/Sanfrancisco/CA/United-States
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:41 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>
>
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html
>
>
>
> Nice
>
> Expensive
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> *Coquina*
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[Petar Horvatic via CnC-List]

Hi Andy, thanks for the invite, likewise to you and any other members of the 
list.  I am at the SW corner of main harbor.  You would recognize Sundowner as 
it’s the only boat in the harbor with Fourwinds II, a large 2-blade wind 
generator.   Granted it’s the peak of the season and at anytime someone else 
might show up with another Fourwinds II.The hull is flag blue.  

 

Burt, you sound like me when I first bought Sundowner.  As far as cushion 
covers, if you have the time and are a DIY, get a portable sewing machine, like 
the Sailrite.   Then you can make the cushions yourself and after that you can 
make the cockpit nice and comfortable as well.   That sewing machine is worth 
it’s weight in gold.  

Also, if you tinkered enough with the A4, and when that time comes, get a used 
diesel and re-build it yourself.  Few years back, while on the hard, using 
halyards and boom, we hoisted a re-built westerbeke 40 up and in.  That was a 
site to see.  Because my engine room is so tight, I could not assemble major 
parts with a diesel like I did so many times with the A4, right there in the 
engine room.   So I had to hoist a fully loaded westerbeke block weighing 
somewhere around 450 lbs up and in.  That re-build and install was a tough DIY 
job, but I couldn’t be happier. 

I plan to spend a week away this month but let me know what your plans are.   
You’re welcome to grab my mooring if I’m away.  

 

Petar Horvatic

Sundowner

76 C&C 38MkII

Newport, RI

 

 

 

   

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
Burton via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 10:07 AM
To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

 

Peter (and everyone else), Peregrine is in Brenton Cove near the NYYC, be sure 
to stop by, if you can. We always have some cold beverage close at hand.

 

Andy

Peregrine

C&C 40


Andrew Burton

61 W Narragansett

Newport, RI 

USA02840

 

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

+401 965-5260


On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:32, Burt Stratton via CnC-List  
wrote:

Respectfully, that all depends on what you paid for the boat. I am happily 
renewing my 1974 33 foot 3/4ton without breaking the bank and I am virtually 
certain the value of the boat will increase beyond the money I am spending. 
Like anything, if you buy right and have some talent you have opportunity to 
invest a bit without worrying about losing your hard earned $$. I paid almost 
nothing for a complete and solid yet neglected hull with a very nice rig. 
Replacing all the windows and hatch lenses with polycarbonate cost less than 
$600. Renewing the interior will cost me some stripping supplies, varnish and 
paint. The cushion covers will be the biggest expense. Next year the hull and 
deck will get a new paint job. I will also completely re-wire both AC and DC 
systems. When I am done it will be very pretty and comfortable I will be into 
it for about $4k total, including the purchase of the boat….. (I do the bulk of 
the work myself) I am not including the normal cost of owning and using a boat.

 

Now if I start doing things like a new diesel, radar, etc, it would quickly 
become a losing proposition but I like the A-4. I am on the lookout for a used 
radar/chartplotter in case anyone comes across something tempting..  

 

Peter, we will with any luck be in Newport sometime later this month for a 
well-earned weekend on the hook. I’ll keep an eye out for the Sundowner.

 

Ship

C&C 33 3/4ton

Portsmouth, RI

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Petar 
Horvatic via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:06 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; 'Ebay'
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

 

You never get back  the money you put upgrading a used sailboat.  That will 
never sell at that price.  It’s a balsa cored production sailboat.  Not a 
Hinckley or Alden.  On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for used 
sailboats in the Bay area.  

 

Petar Horvatic

Sundowner

76 C&C 38MkII

Newport, RI

 

 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM
To: Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

 

Wow!  A fully tweaked C&C 43.  Beautiful lines.  Sweet sheerline and love how 
the cabintop blends into the foredeck.  Great upgrades.  First class job, but I 
don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There are so many 
other choices on the market for less than $175K.

 

 

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

 


  _  


From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

 

Shame really.  Someone put some money into her.  More money to go I'm afraid.

 

John

 

 

Sent from my iPad


On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:00 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 

cnc-list@cnc-list.com

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

I wonder how much a new Redwing 41 is?   Probably in the same price range.  
Jerry c&c 27 v J&J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:05 AM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> You never get back  the money you put upgrading a used sailboat.  That will 
> never sell at that price.  It’s a balsa cored production sailboat.  Not a 
> Hinckley or Alden.  On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for used 
> sailboats in the Bay area. 
>  
> Petar Horvatic
> Sundowner
> 76 C&C 38MkII
> Newport, RI
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM
> To: Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>  
> Wow!  A fully tweaked C&C 43.  Beautiful lines.  Sweet sheerline and love how 
> the cabintop blends into the foredeck.  Great upgrades.  First class job, but 
> I don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There are so many 
> other choices on the market for less than $175K.
>  
>  
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>  
> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>  
> Shame really.  Someone put some money into her.  More money to go I'm afraid.
>  
> John
>  
>  
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:00 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
>  
> Discounted already……..
>  
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C-%26-C-Custom-2598240/Sanfrancisco/CA/United-States
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della 
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:41 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>  
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html
>  
> Nice
> Expensive
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
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Stus-List 3/4 ton rehab

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

We used to race against a ¾ ton special painted black called 007. Boat-for-boat 
we were as close to dead-even as could be but we owed them time. If memory 
serves we rated 126 and they were 130-140 something. I found out Rust-Oleum 
(yes those guys) make marine paint at something like ½-1/4 the price of the 
“marine” brands that apparently works well when brushed on. I am going to try 
it on a cockpit hatch and see how it goes. You did luck out with the A4 – there 
are always deals on parts for those for determined scroungers and many of the 
diesels of that era have NO parts at all available anymore.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
*if anyone wants to buy her for what I have in the boat I can run off and buy a 
43 LOL

From: Burt Stratton [mailto:bstrat...@falconnect.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 11:00 AM
To: Della Barba, Joe; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: RE: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s.

I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before I 
get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and 
crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked 
tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are cosmetic.  After three 
weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do some sailing before the 
season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500 and a LOT of elbow grease. 
My wife is a very good seamstress and she is willing to do the cushions 
including adding some back rests. We already have the materials in hand 
(Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some decent deck and epoxy paint. The 
hull is in good shape and I will not be completely stripping the old paint. It 
is in good shape, just a little beat up and the wrong color. I am keeping in 
mind that this is not ever going to be a show boat. Just making it look good 
and feel good for two to spend a weekend on board. If sails come into the 
picture that number goes out the door. We will see where it all ends up but I 
am confident at this point that my efforts on this boat will (for the first 
time in my life) probably come back to me when I sell her for a bigger boat 
(the real upgrade). My guess is that I could have at least tripled my purchase 
price without doing anything but what fun is that?

Best
Skip

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 10:31 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

You must be *extraordinarily* good at doing work on the cheap. My boat could 
really use new sails, topside paint, and new cushions. The cost of that exceeds 
the market value of the boat. I did rewire my boat and that cost a good chunk 
of your proverbial $4K doing all the work myself. I have been quoted around 
$10K to paint the boat and over $5K to do interior cushions. I am not trying to 
be a Richard Cranium – I love the fact an old C&C has found a loving home – but 
I don’t see the finances working the way you think. I have seen again and again 
that once you start taking things apart you find more and more things to work 
on. Good luck – I am anxious to hear how you get topsides and interior done so 
far under the going rate because I need it too. I am pretty good at A4 
scrounging if you need advice with that.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt 
Stratton via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:32 AM
To: 'Petar Horvatic'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

Respectfully, that all depends on what you paid for the boat. I am happily 
renewing my 1974 33 foot 3/4ton without breaking the bank and I am virtually 
certain the value of the boat will increase beyond the money I am spending. 
Like anything, if you buy right and have some talent you have opportunity to 
invest a bit without worrying about losing your hard earned $$. I paid almost 
nothing for a complete and solid yet neglected hull with a very nice rig. 
Replacing all the windows and hatch lenses with polycarbonate cost less than 
$600. Renewing the interior will cost me some stripping supplies, varnish and 
paint. The cushion covers will be the biggest expense. Next year the hull and 
deck will get a new paint job. I will also completely re-wire both AC and DC 
systems. When I am done it will be very pretty and comfortable I will be into 
it for about $4k total, including the purchase of the boat….. (I do the bulk of 
the work myself) I am not including the normal cost of owning and using a boat.

Now if I start doing things like a new diesel, radar, etc, it would quickly 
become a losing proposition but I like the A-4. I am on the lookout for a used 
radar/chartplotter in case anyone comes across something tempting..

Peter, we will with any luck be in Newport some

cnc-list@cnc-list.com

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s. 

 

I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before I 
get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and 
crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked 
tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are cosmetic.  After three 
weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do some sailing before the 
season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500 and a LOT of elbow grease. 
My wife is a very good seamstress and she is willing to do the cushions 
including adding some back rests. We already have the materials in hand 
(Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some decent deck and epoxy paint. The 
hull is in good shape and I will not be completely stripping the old paint. It 
is in good shape, just a little beat up and the wrong color. I am keeping in 
mind that this is not ever going to be a show boat. Just making it look good 
and feel good for two to spend a weekend on board. If sails come into the 
picture that number goes out the door. We will see where it all ends up but I 
am confident at this point that my efforts on this boat will (for the first 
time in my life) probably come back to me when I sell her for a bigger boat 
(the real upgrade). My guess is that I could have at least tripled my purchase 
price without doing anything but what fun is that?

 

Best

Skip 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 10:31 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

 

You must be *extraordinarily* good at doing work on the cheap. My boat could 
really use new sails, topside paint, and new cushions. The cost of that exceeds 
the market value of the boat. I did rewire my boat and that cost a good chunk 
of your proverbial $4K doing all the work myself. I have been quoted around 
$10K to paint the boat and over $5K to do interior cushions. I am not trying to 
be a Richard Cranium – I love the fact an old C&C has found a loving home – but 
I don’t see the finances working the way you think. I have seen again and again 
that once you start taking things apart you find more and more things to work 
on. Good luck – I am anxious to hear how you get topsides and interior done so 
far under the going rate because I need it too. I am pretty good at A4 
scrounging if you need advice with that.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt 
Stratton via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:32 AM
To: 'Petar Horvatic'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

 

Respectfully, that all depends on what you paid for the boat. I am happily 
renewing my 1974 33 foot 3/4ton without breaking the bank and I am virtually 
certain the value of the boat will increase beyond the money I am spending. 
Like anything, if you buy right and have some talent you have opportunity to 
invest a bit without worrying about losing your hard earned $$. I paid almost 
nothing for a complete and solid yet neglected hull with a very nice rig. 
Replacing all the windows and hatch lenses with polycarbonate cost less than 
$600. Renewing the interior will cost me some stripping supplies, varnish and 
paint. The cushion covers will be the biggest expense. Next year the hull and 
deck will get a new paint job. I will also completely re-wire both AC and DC 
systems. When I am done it will be very pretty and comfortable I will be into 
it for about $4k total, including the purchase of the boat….. (I do the bulk of 
the work myself) I am not including the normal cost of owning and using a boat.

 

Now if I start doing things like a new diesel, radar, etc, it would quickly 
become a losing proposition but I like the A-4. I am on the lookout for a used 
radar/chartplotter in case anyone comes across something tempting..  

 

Peter, we will with any luck be in Newport sometime later this month for a 
well-earned weekend on the hook. I’ll keep an eye out for the Sundowner.

 

Ship

C&C 33 3/4ton

Portsmouth, RI

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Petar 
Horvatic via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:06 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; 'Ebay'
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

 

You never get back  the money you put upgrading a used sailboat.  That will 
never sell at that price.  It’s a balsa cored production sailboat.  Not a 
Hinckley or Alden.  On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for used 
sailboats in the Bay area.  

 

Petar Horvatic

Sundowner

76 C&C 38MkII

Newport, RI

 

 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM
To: Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

 

Wow!  A fully tweaked C&C 43.  Beautiful lines

cnc-list@cnc-list.com

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

You must be *extraordinarily* good at doing work on the cheap. My boat could 
really use new sails, topside paint, and new cushions. The cost of that exceeds 
the market value of the boat. I did rewire my boat and that cost a good chunk 
of your proverbial $4K doing all the work myself. I have been quoted around 
$10K to paint the boat and over $5K to do interior cushions. I am not trying to 
be a Richard Cranium – I love the fact an old C&C has found a loving home – but 
I don’t see the finances working the way you think. I have seen again and again 
that once you start taking things apart you find more and more things to work 
on. Good luck – I am anxious to hear how you get topsides and interior done so 
far under the going rate because I need it too. I am pretty good at A4 
scrounging if you need advice with that.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt 
Stratton via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:32 AM
To: 'Petar Horvatic'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

Respectfully, that all depends on what you paid for the boat. I am happily 
renewing my 1974 33 foot 3/4ton without breaking the bank and I am virtually 
certain the value of the boat will increase beyond the money I am spending. 
Like anything, if you buy right and have some talent you have opportunity to 
invest a bit without worrying about losing your hard earned $$. I paid almost 
nothing for a complete and solid yet neglected hull with a very nice rig. 
Replacing all the windows and hatch lenses with polycarbonate cost less than 
$600. Renewing the interior will cost me some stripping supplies, varnish and 
paint. The cushion covers will be the biggest expense. Next year the hull and 
deck will get a new paint job. I will also completely re-wire both AC and DC 
systems. When I am done it will be very pretty and comfortable I will be into 
it for about $4k total, including the purchase of the boat….. (I do the bulk of 
the work myself) I am not including the normal cost of owning and using a boat.

Now if I start doing things like a new diesel, radar, etc, it would quickly 
become a losing proposition but I like the A-4. I am on the lookout for a used 
radar/chartplotter in case anyone comes across something tempting..

Peter, we will with any luck be in Newport sometime later this month for a 
well-earned weekend on the hook. I’ll keep an eye out for the Sundowner.

Ship
C&C 33 3/4ton
Portsmouth, RI

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Petar 
Horvatic via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:06 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; 'Ebay'
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

You never get back  the money you put upgrading a used sailboat.  That will 
never sell at that price.  It’s a balsa cored production sailboat.  Not a 
Hinckley or Alden.  On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for used 
sailboats in the Bay area.

Petar Horvatic
Sundowner
76 C&C 38MkII
Newport, RI





From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM
To: Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

Wow!  A fully tweaked C&C 43.  Beautiful lines.  Sweet sheerline and love how 
the cabintop blends into the foredeck.  Great upgrades.  First class job, but I 
don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There are so many 
other choices on the market for less than $175K.


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

Shame really.  Someone put some money into her.  More money to go I'm afraid.

John


Sent from my iPad

On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:00 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Discounted already……..

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C-%26-C-Custom-2598240/Sanfrancisco/CA/United-States



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html

Nice
Expensive

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
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Peter (and everyone else), Peregrine is in Brenton Cove near the NYYC, be sure 
to stop by, if you can. We always have some cold beverage close at hand.

Andy
Peregrine
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Andrew Burton
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> On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:32, Burt Stratton via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Respectfully, that all depends on what you paid for the boat. I am happily 
> renewing my 1974 33 foot 3/4ton without breaking the bank and I am virtually 
> certain the value of the boat will increase beyond the money I am spending. 
> Like anything, if you buy right and have some talent you have opportunity to 
> invest a bit without worrying about losing your hard earned $$. I paid almost 
> nothing for a complete and solid yet neglected hull with a very nice rig. 
> Replacing all the windows and hatch lenses with polycarbonate cost less than 
> $600. Renewing the interior will cost me some stripping supplies, varnish and 
> paint. The cushion covers will be the biggest expense. Next year the hull and 
> deck will get a new paint job. I will also completely re-wire both AC and DC 
> systems. When I am done it will be very pretty and comfortable I will be into 
> it for about $4k total, including the purchase of the boat….. (I do the bulk 
> of the work myself) I am not including the normal cost of owning and using a 
> boat.
>  
> Now if I start doing things like a new diesel, radar, etc, it would quickly 
> become a losing proposition but I like the A-4. I am on the lookout for a 
> used radar/chartplotter in case anyone comes across something tempting..  
>  
> Peter, we will with any luck be in Newport sometime later this month for a 
> well-earned weekend on the hook. I’ll keep an eye out for the Sundowner.
>  
> Ship
> C&C 33 3/4ton
> Portsmouth, RI
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Petar 
> Horvatic via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:06 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; 'Ebay'
> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>  
> You never get back  the money you put upgrading a used sailboat.  That will 
> never sell at that price.  It’s a balsa cored production sailboat.  Not a 
> Hinckley or Alden.  On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for used 
> sailboats in the Bay area. 
>  
> Petar Horvatic
> Sundowner
> 76 C&C 38MkII
> Newport, RI
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM
> To: Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>  
> Wow!  A fully tweaked C&C 43.  Beautiful lines.  Sweet sheerline and love how 
> the cabintop blends into the foredeck.  Great upgrades.  First class job, but 
> I don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There are so many 
> other choices on the market for less than $175K.
>  
>  
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>  
> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>  
> Shame really.  Someone put some money into her.  More money to go I'm afraid.
>  
> John
>  
>  
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:00 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
>  
> Discounted already……..
>  
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C-%26-C-Custom-2598240/Sanfrancisco/CA/United-States
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della 
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:41 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>  
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html
>  
> Nice
> Expensive
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
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Re: Stus-List Roller-furled jib sheets and symmetrical spinnaker

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

We have a furler and dip-pole.  We use a piece of velcro to hold the sheets
to the headstay below the drum.  i'm not on the bow, but some very
experienced bowmen tell me its best on my boat.

Joel
35/3
The Office
Annapolis


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I don’t think of it either.
>
>
>
> Of course that is because I am old and way too heavy to be allowed on the
> bow
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax
>
> (yet another “not a c&c” boat – however I do race regularly on a 115 so I
> guess that counts – and a 99 as well)
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim
> Goodyear via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, August 01, 2014 8:57 AM
> *To:* Indigo; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Roller-furled jib sheets and symmetrical
> spinnaker
>
>
>
> It really is up to the bow person to keep the jib sheets forward / above
> the pole / topping lift.  It is not hard if the sheets are slack (no reason
> to keep them taught) and it's way, way easier with a furler than if you had
> dropped the jib.  Just one other thing for bow to remember in the gybe.  We
> don't even think of it these days.  I'm assuming you're doing dip pole, not
> what Josh was describing?
>
>
>
> Tim
>
> Mojito C&C 35-3
>
> Branford, CT
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Indigo via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Still trying to get the hang of racing with a symmetrical spinnaker - and
> sorely in need of advice!
>
> I am setting up the pole with the lazy jib sheet over the pole and forward
> of the pole topping lift (taped back at the mast end of the pole)
>
> Set goes fine, then furl the jib. However after a couple of gybes, I find
> the jib sheets always need re-running before being able to unfurl the jib
> before douse.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C&C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
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[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

Respectfully, that all depends on what you paid for the boat. I am happily 
renewing my 1974 33 foot 3/4ton without breaking the bank and I am virtually 
certain the value of the boat will increase beyond the money I am spending. 
Like anything, if you buy right and have some talent you have opportunity to 
invest a bit without worrying about losing your hard earned $$. I paid almost 
nothing for a complete and solid yet neglected hull with a very nice rig. 
Replacing all the windows and hatch lenses with polycarbonate cost less than 
$600. Renewing the interior will cost me some stripping supplies, varnish and 
paint. The cushion covers will be the biggest expense. Next year the hull and 
deck will get a new paint job. I will also completely re-wire both AC and DC 
systems. When I am done it will be very pretty and comfortable I will be into 
it for about $4k total, including the purchase of the boat….. (I do the bulk of 
the work myself) I am not including the normal cost of owning and using a boat.

 

Now if I start doing things like a new diesel, radar, etc, it would quickly 
become a losing proposition but I like the A-4. I am on the lookout for a used 
radar/chartplotter in case anyone comes across something tempting..  

 

Peter, we will with any luck be in Newport sometime later this month for a 
well-earned weekend on the hook. I’ll keep an eye out for the Sundowner.

 

Ship

C&C 33 3/4ton

Portsmouth, RI

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Petar 
Horvatic via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:06 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; 'Ebay'
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

 

You never get back  the money you put upgrading a used sailboat.  That will 
never sell at that price.  It’s a balsa cored production sailboat.  Not a 
Hinckley or Alden.  On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for used 
sailboats in the Bay area.  

 

Petar Horvatic

Sundowner

76 C&C 38MkII

Newport, RI

 

 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM
To: Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

 

Wow!  A fully tweaked C&C 43.  Beautiful lines.  Sweet sheerline and love how 
the cabintop blends into the foredeck.  Great upgrades.  First class job, but I 
don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There are so many 
other choices on the market for less than $175K.

 

 

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

 

  _  

From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

 

Shame really.  Someone put some money into her.  More money to go I'm afraid.

 

John

 

 

Sent from my iPad


On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:00 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
 wrote:

 

Discounted already……..

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C-%26-C-Custom-2598240/Sanfrancisco/CA/United-States

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

 

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html

 

Nice 

Expensive

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina

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[Petar Horvatic via CnC-List]

You never get back  the money you put upgrading a used sailboat.  That will 
never sell at that price.  It’s a balsa cored production sailboat.  Not a 
Hinckley or Alden.  On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for used 
sailboats in the Bay area.  

 

Petar Horvatic

Sundowner

76 C&C 38MkII

Newport, RI

 

 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM
To: Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

 

Wow!  A fully tweaked C&C 43.  Beautiful lines.  Sweet sheerline and love how 
the cabintop blends into the foredeck.  Great upgrades.  First class job, but I 
don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There are so many 
other choices on the market for less than $175K.

 

 

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

 

  _  

From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

 

Shame really.  Someone put some money into her.  More money to go I'm afraid.

 

John

 

 

Sent from my iPad


On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:00 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
 wrote:

 

Discounted already……..

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C-%26-C-Custom-2598240/Sanfrancisco/CA/United-States

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

 

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html

 

Nice 

Expensive

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina

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Re: Stus-List Roller-furled jib sheets and symmetrical spinnaker

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

I don’t think of it either.  

 

Of course that is because I am old and way too heavy to be allowed on the bow

 

Mike

Persistence

Halifax

(yet another “not a c&c” boat – however I do race regularly on a 115 so I guess 
that counts – and a 99 as well)

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim Goodyear 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 8:57 AM
To: Indigo; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Roller-furled jib sheets and symmetrical spinnaker

 

It really is up to the bow person to keep the jib sheets forward / above the 
pole / topping lift.  It is not hard if the sheets are slack (no reason to keep 
them taught) and it's way, way easier with a furler than if you had dropped the 
jib.  Just one other thing for bow to remember in the gybe.  We don't even 
think of it these days.  I'm assuming you're doing dip pole, not what Josh was 
describing?

 

Tim

Mojito C&C 35-3

Branford, CT

 

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Indigo via CnC-List  
wrote:

Still trying to get the hang of racing with a symmetrical spinnaker - and 
sorely in need of advice!

I am setting up the pole with the lazy jib sheet over the pole and forward of 
the pole topping lift (taped back at the mast end of the pole)

Set goes fine, then furl the jib. However after a couple of gybes, I find the 
jib sheets always need re-running before being able to unfurl the jib before 
douse.

What am I doing wrong?

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT
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Re: Stus-List Roller-furled jib sheets and symmetrical spinnaker

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

It really is up to the bow person to keep the jib sheets forward / above
the pole / topping lift.  It is not hard if the sheets are slack (no reason
to keep them taught) and it's way, way easier with a furler than if you had
dropped the jib.  Just one other thing for bow to remember in the gybe.  We
don't even think of it these days.  I'm assuming you're doing dip pole, not
what Josh was describing?

Tim
Mojito C&C 35-3
Branford, CT


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Indigo via CnC-List  wrote:

> Still trying to get the hang of racing with a symmetrical spinnaker - and
> sorely in need of advice!
>
> I am setting up the pole with the lazy jib sheet over the pole and forward
> of the pole topping lift (taped back at the mast end of the pole)
>
> Set goes fine, then furl the jib. However after a couple of gybes, I find
> the jib sheets always need re-running before being able to unfurl the jib
> before douse.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C&C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
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Re: Stus-List Roller-furled jib sheets and symmetrical spinnaker

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Hi Jonathan

Try this - when you furl the genoa, take the leeward sheet forward so is
flush with the deck and out of the way of the spinnaker.  When you gybe, do
same with other sheet.  Genoa is now ready to go regardless of which tack
you are on.  After spinnaker douse and pole forward end is on deck, take
pole lift aft to mast, set baby stay and take windward genoa sheet forward
and over top of pole.  Ready to tack.

Cheers


John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT
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Subject: Stus-List Roller-furled jib sheets and symmetrical spinnaker

Still trying to get the hang of racing with a symmetrical spinnaker - and
sorely in need of advice!

I am setting up the pole with the lazy jib sheet over the pole and forward
of the pole topping lift (taped back at the mast end of the pole)

Set goes fine, then furl the jib. However after a couple of gybes, I find
the jib sheets always need re-running before being able to unfurl the jib
before douse. 

What am I doing wrong?

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT
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Re: Stus-List Roller-furled jib sheets and symmetrical spinnaker

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

When you first set the pole and start on your downwind run you should find
that one of the jibsheets (lazy jibsheet) is forward of the topping lift
and over the pole.  When you jibe you probably don't pickup the working jib
sheet and duck the pole under before making the new guy.  When you throw
off the old guy make sure you also throw off old lazysheet.  Now make the
newly empty pole end on the mast.

You should now find that the entire setup is swapped to the other side.
The trouble I foresee is that the jib sheets tend to be pretty tight to
keep the headsail furled.  This makes pole maneuvers difficult.  This
requires easing and making of the jibsheets alternavatively.

Or you could pull the jibsheets forward and out of the way and avoid the
hole mess.  You would miss a few seconds of overlap during sail changes.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jul 31, 2014 10:51 PM, "Indigo via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Still trying to get the hang of racing with a symmetrical spinnaker - and
> sorely in need of advice!
>
> I am setting up the pole with the lazy jib sheet over the pole and forward
> of the pole topping lift (taped back at the mast end of the pole)
>
> Set goes fine, then furl the jib. However after a couple of gybes, I find
> the jib sheets always need re-running before being able to unfurl the jib
> before douse.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C&C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
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