Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

I'm late to the party here, but our Espar (installed when the boat was new)
draws 20A for a minute or so on startup. After I replaced all the wiring
from the batteries to the heater, it used to start with the motor off, but
a couple of years ago it started not firing up without the motor or
shorepower. I took it apart and cleaned it and went with Espar's advice to
run it for an hour on high using kerosene, and for a season it worked just
fine starting off the house batteries.
Now it's getting balky again so I may have to redo the kerosene trick and
maybe pull the glow plug for cleaning. An hour of run time hardly touched
the level of kerosene in a gallon jug. I'd love to replace it with a new
one, but they are really pricey now so I'll keep going with the 30+ year
old unit until it finally won't run.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 12 February 2016 at 16:37, David Blair via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Jeff I am here in Victoria and thinking about whether a Wallas would be my
> best choice. I have talked to the guys at Trotac a couple of times. I’d be
> interested in hearing about your installation experience details. Could we
> chat off line?  I have a 34+ and getting a duct to the V berth would be
> problematic. Thanks
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
> Allston via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 07, 2016 12:03 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Jeff Allston
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
>
>
>
> Josh,
>
>
>
> That's one of their models. Mine is the furnace only, no stove/oven.
>
>
>
> See http://www.wallas.fi/index.php?id=45 for details.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
> s/v Full Deck
>
> Victoria, BC
> ----------
>
> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 18:19:05 -0500
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: muckl...@gmail.com
>
> Jeff,
>
> Is Wallas the diesel stove/oven that starts a blower when you close the
> lid?  Cool idea for getting propane off the boat.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Feb 6, 2016 1:19 PM, "Jeff Allston via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
>
>
> I had a Wallas 30 Dt installed on my 32 two autumns ago. I live on the
> boat in Victoria over the winter so it gets a fair amount of use.
>
>
>
> I went with a professional installer and it took him two days to get it
> all done. It would have taken me significantly longer. The heater is
> installed in the port lazarette tucked up under the coaming. It's a bit of
> a pain to remove for servicing, but it's out of the way the rest of the
> year.
>
>
>
> This model heater has two hot air ducts and two cold air returns. One cold
> air return is under the cockpit seat on the port side and the other is in
> the cabin on the bulkhead behind the fridge. Both hot air runs enter under
> the sink and I have one outlet vent there. I ran the other duct under the
> stove, behind the water tank, through the hanging locker and, finally, out
> the bottom of the storage in the v berth. I wrapped the heating ducts with
> insulation. Don't skip this step.
>
>
>
> It works great. I went with Wallas because the national distributor is in
> town and I figured they would have all the parts and expertise I would ever
> need.
>
>
>
> If you want more details, and there are many, let me know.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
> s/v Full Deck
>
> Victoria
> --
>
> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 14:41:17 -0500
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: stevanpla...@gmail.com
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto units. Is anyone running one
> on a 32? There's a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The
> literature indicates the D2 is good to 26 feet of boat, so it sounds like I
> need the D4 :(
>
>
>
> My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the season, not living aboard
> in the winter. The boat is two hours away so there will be "maintenance"
> trips in the spring and fall which means sleeping aboard, it can get quite
> cold up there.
>
>
>
> I have to keep the temps warm for the boat parrot who'll be living aboard
> with us while we cruise. We're planning three weeks in August this year so
> it shouldn't be too much of an issue but it gets cold up there at night,
> even in August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for cold summer nights but I
> have ideas about maybe cruising the North Ch

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[David Blair via CnC-List]

Jeff I am here in Victoria and thinking about whether a Wallas would be my
best choice. I have talked to the guys at Trotac a couple of times. I'd be
interested in hearing about your installation experience details. Could we
chat off line?  I have a 34+ and getting a duct to the V berth would be
problematic. Thanks

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Allston via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 12:03 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jeff Allston
Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

 

Josh,

 

That's one of their models. Mine is the furnace only, no stove/oven. 

 

See http://www.wallas.fi/index.php?id=45 for details.

 

Jeff

s/v Full Deck

Victoria, BC

  _  

Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 18:19:05 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: muckl...@gmail.com

Jeff, 

Is Wallas the diesel stove/oven that starts a blower when you close the lid?
Cool idea for getting propane off the boat.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD 

On Feb 6, 2016 1:19 PM, "Jeff Allston via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

Hi Steve,

 

I had a Wallas 30 Dt installed on my 32 two autumns ago. I live on the boat
in Victoria over the winter so it gets a fair amount of use.

 

I went with a professional installer and it took him two days to get it all
done. It would have taken me significantly longer. The heater is installed
in the port lazarette tucked up under the coaming. It's a bit of a pain to
remove for servicing, but it's out of the way the rest of the year.

 

This model heater has two hot air ducts and two cold air returns. One cold
air return is under the cockpit seat on the port side and the other is in
the cabin on the bulkhead behind the fridge. Both hot air runs enter under
the sink and I have one outlet vent there. I ran the other duct under the
stove, behind the water tank, through the hanging locker and, finally, out
the bottom of the storage in the v berth. I wrapped the heating ducts with
insulation. Don't skip this step.

 

It works great. I went with Wallas because the national distributor is in
town and I figured they would have all the parts and expertise I would ever
need.

 

If you want more details, and there are many, let me know.

 

Jeff

s/v Full Deck

Victoria

  _  

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 14:41:17 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: stevanpla...@gmail.com

Hi All,

 

I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto units. Is anyone running one
on a 32? There's a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The
literature indicates the D2 is good to 26 feet of boat, so it sounds like I
need the D4 :(

 

My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the season, not living aboard in
the winter. The boat is two hours away so there will be "maintenance" trips
in the spring and fall which means sleeping aboard, it can get quite cold up
there. 

 

I have to keep the temps warm for the boat parrot who'll be living aboard
with us while we cruise. We're planning three weeks in August this year so
it shouldn't be too much of an issue but it gets cold up there at night,
even in August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for cold summer nights but I
have ideas about maybe cruising the North Channel when the fall colours are
out. I don't want to limit myself. At the same time, I don't want to spend
money that could go elsewhere. 

 

The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters are pretty but I hear they
don't make quite enough heat. I'm leaning this way for the cost, but don't
want to be disappointed. Everyone says the Espar and Webastos are best. 

 

I'de be doing the installation myself in any case so am eager to hear from
others who have gone through it. 

 

Thanks,

 

Steve

Suhana, C 32

Toronto

 

 


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Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

You will have to use a guard over it to prevent snags.  I have one if you want 
pics.

That's a great fireplace with a blower!

Bob

Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer

> On Feb 9, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> That vent looks like a wicked line snagger!
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:32 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> Electric fuel pump switch.
>> Brilliant!
>> 
>> Thanks Joe!
>> I've decided on the Newport Diesel bulkhead job. It's going to end up 
>> looking something like this (thought the heater in the pic is the propane 
>> version):
>> 
>> http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg
>> with a day tank up and behind in the hanging locker. 
>> 
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C 32
>> Toronto
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>> I would think twice, three times, and four times before adding any kind of 
>>> combustion heater to a gasoline powered boat. Not only can the heater 
>>> itself suck gasoline fumes into itself, any of the associated controls and 
>>> fans might or might not be ignition protected. I know, like every other C 
>>> ever made with an Atomic 4, I cook below with an open flame, but that is a 
>>> bit different. Most of us would not start the stove if we smelled gasoline 
>>> fumes and most of us are not leaving the stove run all night while we sleep.
>>> 
>>> If I were to do this, I would start by having the heater well away from the 
>>> engine and mounted as high as possible. Make sure the heater is about the 
>>> LAST place in the boat gas fumes would end up.
>>> 
>>> Second step would be to install a gasoline fume detector and make sure it 
>>> is on whenever the heater is on.
>>> 
>>> Third step is do rig your engine to run the gas out of the carb at 
>>> shutdown. When I am done with the engine for the day I switch off my 
>>> electric fuel pump and let the engine run the gas out of the carb and line. 
>>> This prevents the issue of a stuck needle-valve slowly filling the carb 
>>> overnight and dispersing fumes. A side benefit is the carb lasts much much 
>>> longer before it needs cleaning.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
>>> Coquina
>>> 
>>> C 35 MK I
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Graham 
>>> Collins via CnC-List
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 19:23
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Cc: Graham Collins
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Hi Bill
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It might be worth contacting Espar about it, I don't think that should be 
>>> running like that.  The D5 I'm running is a fair sized unit, and startup 
>>> has never been a big power hit.
>>> 
>>> Graham Collins
>>> Secret Plans
>>> C 35-III #11
>>> On 2016-02-06 5:17 PM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:
>>> 
>>> Graham,
>>>Your thoughts would appreciated on start up draw.  Prior owner installed 
>>> in port Lazarette.  He is particular guy, all looks well done, but he told 
>>> me about current draw and starting engine to get it going.  After its 
>>> running seems to do fine off twin house batteries.  
>>> Bill Walker 
>>> CnC  36
>>> Pentwater, Mi
>>> 
>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, February 6, 2016 Graham Collins via CnC-List 
>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Espar has an air intake hose, so provided the end of the hose is clear 
>>> of any fumes you are good to go.  You could connect that through 'to the 
>>> main cabin if you wanted for enhanced piece of mind.  If you have flammable 
>>> vapor in your main cabin then all bets are off...
>>> 
>>> And these things are pretty miserly, I might go through a gallon or two 
>>> while working on the boat in the winter.  So a tiny fuel tank would be 
>>> adequate.
>>> 
>>> I'm surprised at Bill's comment about startup draw, I run mine off 
>>> batteries all the time and have never had an issue.
>>> Graham Collins
>>> Se

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

That vent looks like a wicked line snagger!

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:32 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Electric fuel pump switch.
> Brilliant!
>
> Thanks Joe!
> I've decided on the Newport Diesel bulkhead job. It's going to end up
> looking something like this (thought the heater in the pic is the propane
> version):
>
>
> http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg
> with a day tank up and behind in the hanging locker.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I would think twice, three times, and four times before adding any kind
>> of combustion heater to a gasoline powered boat. Not only can the heater
>> itself suck gasoline fumes into itself, any of the associated controls and
>> fans might or might not be ignition protected. I know, like every other C
>> ever made with an Atomic 4, I cook below with an open flame, but that is a
>> bit different. Most of us would not start the stove if we smelled gasoline
>> fumes and most of us are not leaving the stove run all night while we
>> sleep.
>>
>> If I were to do this, I would start by having the heater well away from
>> the engine and mounted as high as possible. Make sure the heater is about
>> the LAST place in the boat gas fumes would end up.
>>
>> Second step would be to install a gasoline fume detector and make sure it
>> is on whenever the heater is on.
>>
>> Third step is do rig your engine to run the gas out of the carb at
>> shutdown. When I am done with the engine for the day I switch off my
>> electric fuel pump and let the engine run the gas out of the carb and line.
>> This prevents the issue of a stuck needle-valve slowly filling the carb
>> overnight and dispersing fumes. A side benefit is the carb lasts much much
>> longer before it needs cleaning.
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Coquina
>>
>> C 35 MK I
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Graham
>> Collins via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 07, 2016 19:23
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Graham Collins
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Bill
>>
>> It might be worth contacting Espar about it, I don't think that should be
>> running like that.  The D5 I'm running is a fair sized unit, and startup
>> has never been a big power hit.
>>
>> Graham Collins
>>
>> Secret Plans
>>
>> C 35-III #11
>>
>> On 2016-02-06 5:17 PM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> Graham,
>>Your thoughts would appreciated on start up draw.  Prior owner
>> installed in port Lazarette.  He is particular guy, all looks well done,
>> but he told me about current draw and starting engine to get it going.
>> After its running seems to do fine off twin house batteries.
>> Bill Walker
>> CnC  36
>> Pentwater, Mi
>>
>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> On Saturday, February 6, 2016 Graham Collins via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> The Espar has an air intake hose, so provided the end of the hose is
>> clear of any fumes you are good to go.  You could connect that through 'to
>> the main cabin if you wanted for enhanced piece of mind.  If you have
>> flammable vapor in your main cabin then all bets are off...
>>
>> And these things are pretty miserly, I might go through a gallon or two
>> while working on the boat in the winter.  So a tiny fuel tank would be
>> adequate.
>>
>> I'm surprised at Bill's comment about startup draw, I run mine off
>> batteries all the time and have never had an issue.
>>
>> Graham Collins
>>
>> Secret Plans
>>
>> C 35-III #11
>>
>> On 2016-02-06 1:45 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> I'm reading the marine installation manual
>> <http://www.esparofmichigan.com/techsupport/pdfs/Marine%20installations/Airtronic%20marine_installation_manual.pdf>
>> and have some questions:
>>
>>
>>
>> - Under safety it reads: "The position of the combustion air must not
>> allow exhaust fumes or flammable vapour to be drawn in". I have a gasoline
>> tank in my engine compartment. Does this preclude me from installing one of
>> these?
>>
>>
>>
>> -

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

I’ve got the guard over the Charlie Noble on my Dickinson Newport (propane) as 
well:

http://dickinsonmarine.com/product/cap-guard/

The fireplace looks great in the saloon:

http://www.postaudio.net/webserver/Oceanis_saloon.jpg 


And it throws plenty of heat, as well.  I just tee’d off after the regulator in 
the propane locker, and ran a new propane line down the starboard side of the 
boat into the forward hanging locker, then through the bulkhead just below the 
fireplace.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Feb 9, 2016, at 4:01 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> You will have to use a guard over it to prevent snags.  I have one if you 
> want pics.
> 
> That's a great fireplace with a blower!
> 
> Bob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer
> 
> On Feb 9, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
> > wrote:
> 
>> That vent looks like a wicked line snagger!
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:32 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>> > wrote:
>> Electric fuel pump switch.
>> Brilliant!
>> 
>> Thanks Joe!
>> I've decided on the Newport Diesel bulkhead job. It's going to end up 
>> looking something like this (thought the heater in the pic is the propane 
>> version):
>> 
>> http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg
>>  
>> 
>> with a day tank up and behind in the hanging locker. 
>> 
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C 32
>> Toronto

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Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

I wonder if anyone is installing/using solid fuel cabin heaters
nowadays?  Alianna came to me with a Cole stove mounted on the Port
cabin bulkhead right beside the mast...charcoal briquettes throw off a
good heat and it's sort of like having a little fireplace inside the
boat, some ambiance in addition to nice heat, but I must admit I have
only use it a few times when living aboard on cool damp nights.
Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net



On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Tom,
>
> Calypso has had a Webasto T90 for 16 years.  Late last year it needed its 
> first tune up.  We use the Webasto all year, even cruising in summer to take 
> the evening chill off.  We did install a "summer" valve that allows use to 
> stop the hot water flow to the cabin heat exchangers but have rarely used it.
>
> The T90 is able to make the boat's cabin as warm as we can stand.  From a 
> ambient 55/60F to 70F takes about 20 minutes.
>
> Installation was a 1/2 DIY, 1/2 tech from Sure Marine.  We purchased the Sure 
> Marine installation package that included step by step instructions and many 
> of the needed fittings.
>
> The current draw is highest at start up.  After the coolant is at temp the 
> number fans (on high or low, 3 locations) and a circulation pump are the main 
> current draw.  Calypso's house bank is 4 6v batteries and the furnace can 
> typically run 4 to 5 hours without a charging session.  Running less heat 
> exchangers/fans may extend the time.
>
> For domestic hot water we installed an "Everhot" heat exchanger that acts 
> like a coolant reservoir and heats the water for galley and shower use.  We 
> are able to make as much hot water as what is in the boat's tanks.
>
> Most of the DIY installation time was running the coolant hoses and 
> installing the heat exchangers.  We had the pros perform the finish plumbing, 
> wiring, and run the exhaust.  The furnace itself is compact but the overflow 
> tank and the Everhot tank take up some lazerette space.  We ran the hoses 
> thru the bilge.  The fuel has its own feed direct from the tank.
>
> Martin
> Calypso
> 1971 C 43
> Seattle
>
> 
> From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Tom Buscaglia via 
> CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 7:48 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Tom Buscaglia
> Subject: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
>
> Speaking of diesel heaters, ever since we brought Alera out from Lake Ontario 
> I have wanted to install a hydronic heater so that in addition to heat we 
> would have hot water.  So, every year when I go to the Seattle Boat show I 
> gather materials and every the the amount of boat bucks, and my fear of 
> screwing the installation up makes me put it off another year.
>
> Anyone have a hydronic setup?
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
>
>
>> On Feb 5, 2016, at 4:24 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:23:56 -0800
>> From: Russ & Melody <russ...@telus.net>
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
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>>
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> I should have listed install location in the
>> "Cons:" list of the Newport heater. It can be tricky.
>>
>> The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead
>> unit. The D2 has a huge advantage on heat output
>> on low settings, not to be overlooked. The
>> Admiral & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.
>>
>> Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank
>> location with proper venting is the same for
>> both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The
>> tank can be almost anywhere for either unit and
>> if elevation is such that gravity feed is not
>> going to work for the bulkhead heater then you
>> get a little impulse pump similar to what the
>> Espar uses. I would see about putting the tank in
>> the cockpit combing area, that's high enough and
>> easy to fit a deck fill to keep everything
>> outside. Either heater would like a 2 - 4 gallon
>> tank since you're looking at up to 1 gallon a day
>> use in cold conditions maybe a bit less for the D2.
>>
>> On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for
>> retirement cruising

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

Nice thing about coal is that it's really dry heat.  No water given off during 
the process.RonWild CheriSTLC 30


  From: Richard N. Bush via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Richard N. Bush <bushma...@aol.com>
 Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 7:31 AM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
   
Dwight; like yours, my boat came with a Dickerson Newport model solid fuel 
heater..although we don't get too many really cold night during the summer, and 
the boat is winterized for winter, I still haven't had the nerve to fire it up 
yet...but it looks very nice on the bulkhead!   Any suggestions about getting 
over the fear of lighting a fire in the middle of the cabin?    And, if that 
works, there's the matter of the CNG stove Richard1985 C 37; Ohio River, 
Mile 596;
 Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
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Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I would think twice, three times, and four times before adding any kind of 
combustion heater to a gasoline powered boat. Not only can the heater itself 
suck gasoline fumes into itself, any of the associated controls and fans might 
or might not be ignition protected. I know, like every other C ever made with 
an Atomic 4, I cook below with an open flame, but that is a bit different. Most 
of us would not start the stove if we smelled gasoline fumes and most of us are 
not leaving the stove run all night while we sleep.
If I were to do this, I would start by having the heater well away from the 
engine and mounted as high as possible. Make sure the heater is about the LAST 
place in the boat gas fumes would end up.
Second step would be to install a gasoline fume detector and make sure it is on 
whenever the heater is on.
Third step is do rig your engine to run the gas out of the carb at shutdown. 
When I am done with the engine for the day I switch off my electric fuel pump 
and let the engine run the gas out of the carb and line. This prevents the 
issue of a stuck needle-valve slowly filling the carb overnight and dispersing 
fumes. A side benefit is the carb lasts much much longer before it needs 
cleaning.

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Graham 
Collins via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 19:23
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Graham Collins
Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

Hi Bill
It might be worth contacting Espar about it, I don't think that should be 
running like that.  The D5 I'm running is a fair sized unit, and startup has 
never been a big power hit.


Graham Collins

Secret Plans

C 35-III #11
On 2016-02-06 5:17 PM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:

Graham,
   Your thoughts would appreciated on start up draw.  Prior owner installed in 
port Lazarette.  He is particular guy, all looks well done, but he told me 
about current draw and starting engine to get it going.  After its running 
seems to do fine off twin house batteries.
Bill Walker
CnC  36
Pentwater, Mi

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


On Saturday, February 6, 2016 Graham Collins via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
The Espar has an air intake hose, so provided the end of the hose is clear of 
any fumes you are good to go.  You could connect that through 'to the main 
cabin if you wanted for enhanced piece of mind.  If you have flammable vapor in 
your main cabin then all bets are off...

And these things are pretty miserly, I might go through a gallon or two while 
working on the boat in the winter.  So a tiny fuel tank would be adequate.

I'm surprised at Bill's comment about startup draw, I run mine off batteries 
all the time and have never had an issue.

Graham Collins

Secret Plans

C 35-III #11
On 2016-02-06 1:45 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:
I'm reading the marine installation 
manual<http://www.esparofmichigan.com/techsupport/pdfs/Marine%20installations/Airtronic%20marine_installation_manual.pdf>
 and have some questions:

- Under safety it reads: "The position of the combustion air must not allow 
exhaust fumes or flammable vapour to be drawn in". I have a gasoline tank in my 
engine compartment. Does this preclude me from installing one of these?

- Can anyone recommend a suitable fuel tank? I'de like something small that I 
can top off from a jerry can, so I can secure it into place in the lazarette. 5 
gallons maybe? What are others using if using a separate tank?

Thanks,

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa 
<stevanpla...@gmail.com<mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Russ,

I figure with the newport, the tank is inside the cabin (somewhere behind the 
bulkhead I would imagine, hanging locker on my boat likely). With the 
espar/webasto, it's in the engine compartment. Also with the newport, this is 
pretty much how i have to mount it:
http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg

Starboard I have a dinette and of course the mast. Port side isn't optimal 
either. Now that I'm thinking about the tank actually, and the venting, I'm not 
really sure where I'de locate a tank for the newport.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi Steve,

I should have listed install location in the "Cons:" list of the Newport 
heater. It can be tricky.

The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead unit. The D2 has a huge 
advantage on heat output on low settings, not to be overlooked. The Admiral & I 
are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.

Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank location with proper venting is 
the same for both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to sp

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Dwight; like yours, my boat came with a Dickerson Newport model solid fuel 
heater..although we don't get too many really cold night during the summer, and 
the boat is winterized for winter, I still haven't had the nerve to fire it up 
yet...but it looks very nice on the bulkhead!   Any suggestions about getting 
over the fear of lighting a fire in the middle of the cabin?And, if that 
works, there's the matter of the CNG stove
 

Richard
1985 C 37; Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
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To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: dwight veinot <dwight...@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2016 7:51 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

I wonder if anyone is installing/using solid fuel cabin heaters
nowadays?  Alianna came to me with a Cole stove mounted on the Port
cabin bulkhead right beside the mast...charcoal briquettes throw off a
good heat and it's sort of like having a little fireplace inside the
boat, some ambiance in addition to nice heat, but I must admit I have
only use it a few times when living aboard on cool damp nights.
Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net



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Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Electric fuel pump switch.
Brilliant!

Thanks Joe!
I've decided on the Newport Diesel bulkhead job. It's going to end up
looking something like this (thought the heater in the pic is the propane
version):

http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg
with a day tank up and behind in the hanging locker.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I would think twice, three times, and four times before adding any kind of
> combustion heater to a gasoline powered boat. Not only can the heater
> itself suck gasoline fumes into itself, any of the associated controls and
> fans might or might not be ignition protected. I know, like every other C
> ever made with an Atomic 4, I cook below with an open flame, but that is a
> bit different. Most of us would not start the stove if we smelled gasoline
> fumes and most of us are not leaving the stove run all night while we
> sleep.
>
> If I were to do this, I would start by having the heater well away from
> the engine and mounted as high as possible. Make sure the heater is about
> the LAST place in the boat gas fumes would end up.
>
> Second step would be to install a gasoline fume detector and make sure it
> is on whenever the heater is on.
>
> Third step is do rig your engine to run the gas out of the carb at
> shutdown. When I am done with the engine for the day I switch off my
> electric fuel pump and let the engine run the gas out of the carb and line.
> This prevents the issue of a stuck needle-valve slowly filling the carb
> overnight and dispersing fumes. A side benefit is the carb lasts much much
> longer before it needs cleaning.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Graham
> Collins via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 07, 2016 19:23
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Graham Collins
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
>
>
>
> Hi Bill
>
> It might be worth contacting Espar about it, I don't think that should be
> running like that.  The D5 I'm running is a fair sized unit, and startup
> has never been a big power hit.
>
> Graham Collins
>
> Secret Plans
>
> C 35-III #11
>
> On 2016-02-06 5:17 PM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Graham,
>Your thoughts would appreciated on start up draw.  Prior owner
> installed in port Lazarette.  He is particular guy, all looks well done,
> but he told me about current draw and starting engine to get it going.
> After its running seems to do fine off twin house batteries.
> Bill Walker
> CnC  36
> Pentwater, Mi
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>
> --
>
> On Saturday, February 6, 2016 Graham Collins via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> The Espar has an air intake hose, so provided the end of the hose is clear
> of any fumes you are good to go.  You could connect that through 'to the
> main cabin if you wanted for enhanced piece of mind.  If you have flammable
> vapor in your main cabin then all bets are off...
>
> And these things are pretty miserly, I might go through a gallon or two
> while working on the boat in the winter.  So a tiny fuel tank would be
> adequate.
>
> I'm surprised at Bill's comment about startup draw, I run mine off
> batteries all the time and have never had an issue.
>
> Graham Collins
>
> Secret Plans
>
> C 35-III #11
>
> On 2016-02-06 1:45 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I'm reading the marine installation manual
> <http://www.esparofmichigan.com/techsupport/pdfs/Marine%20installations/Airtronic%20marine_installation_manual.pdf>
> and have some questions:
>
>
>
> - Under safety it reads: "The position of the combustion air must not
> allow exhaust fumes or flammable vapour to be drawn in". I have a gasoline
> tank in my engine compartment. Does this preclude me from installing one of
> these?
>
>
>
> - Can anyone recommend a suitable fuel tank? I'de like something small
> that I can top off from a jerry can, so I can secure it into place in the
> lazarette. 5 gallons maybe? What are others using if using a separate tank?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> Suhana, C 32
>
> Toronto
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Russ,
>
>
>
> I figure with the newport, the tank is inside the cabin (somewhere behind
> the bulkhead I would imagine, hanging locker on my boat likely). With the
> espar/webasto, it's in t

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Jeff Allston via CnC-List]

Josh,
That's one of their models. Mine is the furnace only, no stove/oven. 
See http://www.wallas.fi/index.php?id=45 for details.
Jeffs/v Full DeckVictoria, BC

Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 18:19:05 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: muckl...@gmail.com

Jeff, 
Is Wallas the diesel stove/oven that starts a blower when you close the lid?  
Cool idea for getting propane off the boat.
Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD 
On Feb 6, 2016 1:19 PM, "Jeff Allston via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:



Hi Steve,
I had a Wallas 30 Dt installed on my 32 two autumns ago. I live on the boat in 
Victoria over the winter so it gets a fair amount of use.
I went with a professional installer and it took him two days to get it all 
done. It would have taken me significantly longer. The heater is installed in 
the port lazarette tucked up under the coaming. It's a bit of a pain to remove 
for servicing, but it's out of the way the rest of the year.
This model heater has two hot air ducts and two cold air returns. One cold air 
return is under the cockpit seat on the port side and the other is in the cabin 
on the bulkhead behind the fridge. Both hot air runs enter under the sink and I 
have one outlet vent there. I ran the other duct under the stove, behind the 
water tank, through the hanging locker and, finally, out the bottom of the 
storage in the v berth. I wrapped the heating ducts with insulation. Don't skip 
this step.
It works great. I went with Wallas because the national distributor is in town 
and I figured they would have all the parts and expertise I would ever need.
If you want more details, and there are many, let me know.
Jeffs/v Full DeckVictoria

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 14:41:17 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: stevanpla...@gmail.com

Hi All,
I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto units. Is anyone running one on a 
32? There's a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The literature 
indicates the D2 is good to 26 feet of boat, so it sounds like I need the D4 :(
My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the season, not living aboard in 
the winter. The boat is two hours away so there will be "maintenance" trips in 
the spring and fall which means sleeping aboard, it can get quite cold up 
there. 
I have to keep the temps warm for the boat parrot who'll be living aboard with 
us while we cruise. We're planning three weeks in August this year so it 
shouldn't be too much of an issue but it gets cold up there at night, even in 
August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for cold summer nights but I have ideas 
about maybe cruising the North Channel when the fall colours are out. I don't 
want to limit myself. At the same time, I don't want to spend money that could 
go elsewhere. 
The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters are pretty but I hear they don't 
make quite enough heat. I'm leaning this way for the cost, but don't want to be 
disappointed. Everyone says the Espar and Webastos are best. 
I'de be doing the installation myself in any case so am eager to hear from 
others who have gone through it. 
Thanks,
SteveSuhana, C 32Toronto



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Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Why don't you start a discussion about replacing 
the A4 with something safer, like a diesel? :)


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35  mk-1
Vancouver Island
Gone sailing but couldn't resist that one!


At 06:56 AM 07/02/2016, you wrote:
Ok, so it looks like I shouldn't be installing 
one of these in the engine compartment of my gasoline powered boat:


Warning - Explosion HazardÂ
1. Heater must be turned off while re-fueling.Â
2. Do not install heater in enclosed areas where 
combustible fumes may be present.Â

3. Do not install heaters in engine compartments of gasoline powered boats.

Boo.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Ken Heaton via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
I've never needed to start the engine to get the 
Espar to start.  It has always started and run fine off the batteries.


Ken H.

On 6 February 2016 at 14:52, Graham Collins via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
The Espar has an air intake hose, so provided 
the end of the hose is clear of any fumes you 
are good to go.  You could connect that through 
'to the main cabin if you wanted for enhanced 
piece of mind.  If you have flammable vapor in 
your main cabin then all bets are off...


And these things are pretty miserly, I might go 
through a gallon or two while working on the 
boat in the winter.  So a tiny fuel tank would be adequate.


I'm surprised at Bill's comment about startup 
draw, I run mine off batteries all the time and have never had an issue.


Graham Collins

Secret Plans

C 35-III #11
On 2016-02-06 1:45 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:
I'm reading the 
marine 
installation manual and have some questions:


- Under safety it reads: "The position of the 
combustion air must not allow exhaust fumes or 
flammable vapour to be drawn in". I have a 
gasoline tank in my engine compartment. Does 
this preclude me from installing one of these?


- Can anyone recommend a suitable fuel tank? 
I'de like something small that I can top off 
from a jerry can, so I can secure it into place 
in the lazarette. 5 gallons maybe? What are 
others using if using a separate tank?


Thanks,

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa 
<stevanpla...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Russ,

I figure with the newport, the tank is inside 
the cabin (somewhere behind the bulkhead I 
would imagine, hanging locker on my boat 
likely). With the espar/webasto, it's in the 
engine compartment. Also with the newport, this 
is pretty much how i have to mount it:

http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg

Starboard I have a dinette and of course the 
mast. Port side isn't optimal either. Now that 
I'm thinking about the tank actually, and the 
venting, I'm not really sure where I'de locate a tank for the newport.Â


Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Fri, Feb 5, 
2016 at 7:23 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


Hi Steve,

I should have listed install location in the 
"Cons:" list of the Newport heater. It can be tricky.


The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead 
unit. The D2 has a huge advantage on heat 
output on low settings, not to be overlooked. 
The Admiral & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.


Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank 
location with proper venting is the same for 
both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. 
The tank can be almost anywhere for either unit 
and if elevation is such that gravity feed is 
not going to work for the bulkhead heater then 
you get a little impulse pump similar to what 
the Espar uses. I would see about putting the 
tank in the cockpit combing area, that's high 
enough and easy to fit a deck fill to keep 
everything outside. Either heater would like a 
2 - 4 gallon tank since you're looking at up to 
1 gallon a day use in cold conditions maybe a bit less for the D2.


On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for 
retirement cruising I will have both types of 
heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :)


        Cheers, Russ
        Sweet 35 mk-1
        Vancouver Island


At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:

Thanks for the helpful replies, all.

Russ, I really love the idea of the newport 
heaters, to be honest, I like the idea of 
solid fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one 
of my favourite things. But the only units 
worth getting are expensive wood stove types, 
which are super nice, but I can't justify the 
expense and they have drawbacks on a boat. The 
espar is appealing because it's out of the 
way. The problem 

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Ok, so it looks like I shouldn't be installing one of these in the engine
compartment of my gasoline powered boat:

Warning - Explosion Hazard
1. Heater must be turned off while re-fueling.
2. Do not install heater in enclosed areas where combustible fumes may be
present.
*3. Do not install heaters in engine compartments of gasoline powered
boats.*

Boo.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've never needed to start the engine to get the Espar to start.  It has
> always started and run fine off the batteries.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On 6 February 2016 at 14:52, Graham Collins via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The Espar has an air intake hose, so provided the end of the hose is
>> clear of any fumes you are good to go.  You could connect that through 'to
>> the main cabin if you wanted for enhanced piece of mind.  If you have
>> flammable vapor in your main cabin then all bets are off...
>>
>> And these things are pretty miserly, I might go through a gallon or two
>> while working on the boat in the winter.  So a tiny fuel tank would be
>> adequate.
>>
>> I'm surprised at Bill's comment about startup draw, I run mine off
>> batteries all the time and have never had an issue.
>>
>> Graham Collins
>> Secret Plans
>> C 35-III #11
>>
>> On 2016-02-06 1:45 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> I'm reading the marine installation manual
>> 
>> and have some questions:
>>
>> - Under safety it reads: "The position of the combustion air must not
>> allow exhaust fumes or flammable vapour to be drawn in". I have a gasoline
>> tank in my engine compartment. Does this preclude me from installing one of
>> these?
>>
>> - Can anyone recommend a suitable fuel tank? I'de like something small
>> that I can top off from a jerry can, so I can secure it into place in the
>> lazarette. 5 gallons maybe? What are others using if using a separate tank?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C 32
>> Toronto
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Russ,
>>>
>>> I figure with the newport, the tank is inside the cabin (somewhere
>>> behind the bulkhead I would imagine, hanging locker on my boat likely).
>>> With the espar/webasto, it's in the engine compartment. Also with the
>>> newport, this is pretty much how i have to mount it:
>>>
>>> http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg
>>>
>>> Starboard I have a dinette and of course the mast. Port side isn't
>>> optimal either. Now that I'm thinking about the tank actually, and the
>>> venting, I'm not really sure where I'de locate a tank for the newport.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> Suhana, C 32
>>> Toronto
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>

 Hi Steve,

 I should have listed install location in the "Cons:" list of the
 Newport heater. It can be tricky.

 The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead unit. The D2 has a huge
 advantage on heat output on low settings, not to be overlooked. The Admiral
 & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.

 Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank location with proper
 venting is the same for both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The
 tank can be almost anywhere for either unit and if elevation is such that
 gravity feed is not going to work for the bulkhead heater then you get a
 little impulse pump similar to what the Espar uses. I would see about
 putting the tank in the cockpit combing area, that's high enough and easy
 to fit a deck fill to keep everything outside. Either heater would like a 2
 - 4 gallon tank since you're looking at up to 1 gallon a day use in cold
 conditions maybe a bit less for the D2.

 On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for retirement cruising I will
 have both types of heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :)

 Cheers, Russ
 *Sweet *35 mk-1
 Vancouver Island


 At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:

 Thanks for the helpful replies, all.

 Russ, I really love the idea of the newport heaters, to be honest, I
 like the idea of solid fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one of my
 favourite things. But the only units worth getting are expensive wood stove
 types, which are super nice, but I can't justify the expense and they have
 drawbacks on a boat. The espar is appealing because it's out of the way.
 The problem for me with the diesel newport is the fuel. I have an A4
 powered boat and one thing I really like about my boat is that it doesn't
 smell like diesel! The bulkhead diesel heater 

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Sailnomad via CnC-List]

A liveaboard friend of mine has done it. As he was working full time it
took him close to two months. He was very meticulous thoug.
As long as you follow all specs, it is not rocket science, but it takes a
lot of time to do it right.
If you are serious about it I can ask him he may give you some pointers

Ahmet
On Feb 6, 2016 10:49 AM, "Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> Speaking of diesel heaters, ever since we brought Alera out from Lake
> Ontario I have wanted to install a hydronic heater so that in addition to
> heat we would have hot water.  So, every year when I go to the Seattle Boat
> show I gather materials and every the the amount of boat bucks, and my fear
> of screwing the installation up makes me put it off another year.
>
> Anyone have a hydronic setup?
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
>
>
> > On Feb 5, 2016, at 4:24 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:23:56 -0800
> > From: Russ & Melody <russ...@telus.net>
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > I should have listed install location in the
> > "Cons:" list of the Newport heater. It can be tricky.
> >
> > The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead
> > unit. The D2 has a huge advantage on heat output
> > on low settings, not to be overlooked. The
> > Admiral & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.
> >
> > Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank
> > location with proper venting is the same for
> > both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The
> > tank can be almost anywhere for either unit and
> > if elevation is such that gravity feed is not
> > going to work for the bulkhead heater then you
> > get a little impulse pump similar to what the
> > Espar uses. I would see about putting the tank in
> > the cockpit combing area, that's high enough and
> > easy to fit a deck fill to keep everything
> > outside. Either heater would like a 2 - 4 gallon
> > tank since you're looking at up to 1 gallon a day
> > use in cold conditions maybe a bit less for the D2.
> >
> > On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for
> > retirement cruising I will have both types of
> > heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :)
> >
> > Cheers, Russ
> > Sweet 35 mk-1
> > Vancouver Island
> >
> >
> > At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:
> >> Thanks for the helpful replies, all.
> >>
> >> Russ, I really love the idea of the newport
> >> heaters, to be honest, I like the idea of solid
> >> fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one of my
> >> favourite things. But the only units worth
> >> getting are expensive wood stove types, which
> >> are super nice, but I can't justify the expense
> >> and they have drawbacks on a boat. The espar is
> >> appealing because it's out of the way. The
> >> problem for me with the diesel newport is the
> >> fuel. I have an A4 powered boat and one thing I
> >> really like about my boat is that it doesn't
> >> smell like diesel! The bulkhead diesel heater
> >> would necessitate a gravity tank somewhere
> >> inside and I'm not sure where I'de have space,
> >> maybe in the hanging locker. I'm concerned about
> >> the diesel smell. Most of what I've read about
> >> them is good however and to your point, maybe
> >> more heat than the D2, less money for sure. It's
> >> still an option, will my boat smell like diesel??
> >>
> >> Steve
> >> Suhana, C 32
> >> Toronto
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Burton
> >> via CnC-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
> >> How much fuel does the Espar burn an hour? I use
> >> a propane tent heater the warms the cabin for 6
> >> hrs on a small canister, but it's not dry heat.
> >> It takes the chill off, but doesn't dry the inside on a foggy Maine
> evening.?
> >>
> >> Andy
> >> C 40
> >> Peregrine
> >>
> >>
> >> Andrew Burton
> >> PO Box 632
> >> Newport, RI?
> >> USA 02840
> >>
> >> +401 965? 5260
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Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

Hi Bill
It might be worth contacting Espar about it, I don't think that should 
be running like that.  The D5 I'm running is a fair sized unit, and 
startup has never been a big power hit.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2016-02-06 5:17 PM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:


Graham,
   Your thoughts would appreciated on start up draw.  Prior owner 
installed in port Lazarette.  He is particular guy, all looks well 
done, but he told me about current draw and starting engine to get it 
going.  After its running seems to do fine off twin house batteries.

Bill Walker
CnC  36
Pentwater, Mi

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail




On Saturday, February 6, 2016 Graham Collins via CnC-List 
 wrote:


The Espar has an air intake hose, so provided the end of the hose is 
clear of any fumes you are good to go.  You could connect that through 
'to the main cabin if you wanted for enhanced piece of mind.  If you 
have flammable vapor in your main cabin then all bets are off...


And these things are pretty miserly, I might go through a gallon or 
two while working on the boat in the winter.  So a tiny fuel tank 
would be adequate.


I'm surprised at Bill's comment about startup draw, I run mine off 
batteries all the time and have never had an issue.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11
On 2016-02-06 1:45 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:

I'm reading the marine installation manual


and have some questions:

- Under safety it reads: "The position of the combustion air must
not allow exhaust fumes or flammable vapour to be drawn in". I
have a gasoline tank in my engine compartment. Does this preclude
me from installing one of these?

- Can anyone recommend a suitable fuel tank? I'de like something
small that I can top off from a jerry can, so I can secure it into
place in the lazarette. 5 gallons maybe? What are others using if
using a separate tank?

Thanks,

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa
> wrote:

Hi Russ,

I figure with the newport, the tank is inside the cabin
(somewhere behind the bulkhead I would imagine, hanging locker
on my boat likely). With the espar/webasto, it's in the engine
compartment. Also with the newport, this is pretty much how i
have to mount it:

http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg

Starboard I have a dinette and of course the mast. Port side
isn't optimal either. Now that I'm thinking about the tank
actually, and the venting, I'm not really sure where I'de
locate a tank for the newport.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List
 wrote:


Hi Steve,

I should have listed install location in the "Cons:" list
of the Newport heater. It can be tricky.

The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead unit. The
D2 has a huge advantage on heat output on low settings,
not to be overlooked. The Admiral & I are a big fan of
radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.

Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank location with
proper venting is the same for both, so diesel odour is a
wash, so to speak. The tank can be almost anywhere for
either unit and if elevation is such that gravity feed is
not going to work for the bulkhead heater then you get a
little impulse pump similar to what the Espar uses. I
would see about putting the tank in the cockpit combing
area, that's high enough and easy to fit a deck fill to
keep everything outside. Either heater would like a 2 - 4
gallon tank since you're looking at up to 1 gallon a day
use in cold conditions maybe a bit less for the D2.

On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for retirement
cruising I will have both types of heaters so I won't need
to choose which one is best. :)

Cheers, Russ
/Sweet /35 mk-1
Vancouver Island


At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:

Thanks for the helpful replies, all.

Russ, I really love the idea of the newport heaters,
to be honest, I like the idea of solid fuel the most.
A proper wood fire is one of my favourite things. But
the only units worth getting are expensive wood stove
types, which are 

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[William Walker via CnC-List]

Thanks Graham I may do that in the spring.  
Bill

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On Sunday, February 7, 2016 Graham Collins via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hi Bill
It might be worth contacting Espar about it, I don't think that should be 
running like that.  The D5 I'm running is a fair sized unit, and startup has 
never been a big power hit.
Graham Collins Secret Plans C 35-III #11 

On 2016-02-06 5:17 PM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:

Graham,
   Your thoughts would appreciated on start up draw.  Prior owner installed in 
port Lazarette.  He is particular guy, all looks well done, but he told me 
about current draw and starting engine to get it going.  After its running 
seems to do fine off twin house batteries.  
Bill Walker 
CnC  36
Pentwater, Mi

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail



On Saturday, February 6, 2016 Graham Collins via CnC-List 
 wrote:

The Espar has an air intake hose, so provided the end of the hose is clear of 
any fumes you are good to go.  You could connect that through 'to the main 
cabin if you wanted for enhanced piece of mind.  If you have flammable vapor in 
your main cabin then all bets are off...

And these things are pretty miserly, I might go through a gallon or two while 
working on the boat in the winter.  So a tiny fuel tank would be adequate.

I'm surprised at Bill's comment about startup draw, I run mine off batteries 
all the time and have never had an issue.
Graham Collins Secret Plans C 35-III #11 

On 2016-02-06 1:45 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:

I'm reading the marine installation manual and have some questions: 


- Under safety it reads: "The position of the combustion air must not allow 
exhaust fumes or flammable vapour to be drawn in". I have a gasoline tank in my 
engine compartment. Does this preclude me from installing one of these?


- Can anyone recommend a suitable fuel tank? I'de like something small that I 
can top off from a jerry can, so I can secure it into place in the lazarette. 5 
gallons maybe? What are others using if using a separate tank?


Thanks,


Steve

Suhana, C 32

Toronto



On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:

Hi Russ, 


I figure with the newport, the tank is inside the cabin (somewhere behind the 
bulkhead I would imagine, hanging locker on my boat likely). With the 
espar/webasto, it's in the engine compartment. Also with the newport, this is 
pretty much how i have to mount it:

http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg


Starboard I have a dinette and of course the mast. Port side isn't optimal 
either. Now that I'm thinking about the tank actually, and the venting, I'm not 
really sure where I'de locate a tank for the newport. 


Steve

Suhana, C 32

Toronto



On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Hi Steve,

I should have listed install location in the "Cons:" list of the Newport 
heater. It can be tricky.

The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead unit. The D2 has a huge 
advantage on heat output on low settings, not to be overlooked. The Admiral & I 
are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.

Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank location with proper venting is 
the same for both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The tank can be 
almost anywhere for either unit and if elevation is such that gravity feed is 
not going to work for the bulkhead heater then you get a little impulse pump 
similar to what the Espar uses. I would see about putting the tank in the 
cockpit combing area, that's high enough and easy to fit a deck fill to keep 
everything outside. Either heater would like a 2 - 4 gallon tank since you're 
looking at up to 1 gallon a day use in cold conditions maybe a bit less for the 
D2. 

On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for retirement cruising I will have both 
types of heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :)

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
Vancouver Island


At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:

Thanks for the helpful replies, all.

Russ, I really love the idea of the newport heaters, to be honest, I like the 
idea of solid fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one of my favourite things. 
But the only units worth getting are expensive wood stove types, which are 
super nice, but I can't justify the expense and they have drawbacks on a boat. 
The espar is appealing because it's out of the way. The problem for me with the 
diesel newport is the fuel. I have an A4 powered boat and one thing I really 
like about my boat is that it doesn't smell like diesel! The bulkhead diesel 
heater would necessitate a gravity tank somewhere inside and I'm not sure where 
I'de have space, maybe in the hanging locker. I'm concerned about the diesel 
smell. Most of what I've read about them is good however and to your point, 
maybe more heat than the D2, less money for sure. 

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Tom,

Calypso has had a Webasto T90 for 16 years.  Late last year it needed its first 
tune up.  We use the Webasto all year, even cruising in summer to take the 
evening chill off.  We did install a "summer" valve that allows use to stop the 
hot water flow to the cabin heat exchangers but have rarely used it.

The T90 is able to make the boat's cabin as warm as we can stand.  From a 
ambient 55/60F to 70F takes about 20 minutes.

Installation was a 1/2 DIY, 1/2 tech from Sure Marine.  We purchased the Sure 
Marine installation package that included step by step instructions and many of 
the needed fittings.

The current draw is highest at start up.  After the coolant is at temp the 
number fans (on high or low, 3 locations) and a circulation pump are the main 
current draw.  Calypso's house bank is 4 6v batteries and the furnace can 
typically run 4 to 5 hours without a charging session.  Running less heat 
exchangers/fans may extend the time.

For domestic hot water we installed an "Everhot" heat exchanger that acts like 
a coolant reservoir and heats the water for galley and shower use.  We are able 
to make as much hot water as what is in the boat's tanks.

Most of the DIY installation time was running the coolant hoses and installing 
the heat exchangers.  We had the pros perform the finish plumbing, wiring, and 
run the exhaust.  The furnace itself is compact but the overflow tank and the 
Everhot tank take up some lazerette space.  We ran the hoses thru the bilge.  
The fuel has its own feed direct from the tank.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C 43
Seattle


From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Tom Buscaglia via 
CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 7:48 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Tom Buscaglia
Subject: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

Speaking of diesel heaters, ever since we brought Alera out from Lake Ontario I 
have wanted to install a hydronic heater so that in addition to heat we would 
have hot water.  So, every year when I go to the Seattle Boat show I gather 
materials and every the the amount of boat bucks, and my fear of screwing the 
installation up makes me put it off another year.

Anyone have a hydronic setup?

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200


> On Feb 5, 2016, at 4:24 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:23:56 -0800
> From: Russ & Melody <russ...@telus.net>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
> Message-ID:
><mailman.179.1454718281.1678.cnc-list_cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I should have listed install location in the
> "Cons:" list of the Newport heater. It can be tricky.
>
> The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead
> unit. The D2 has a huge advantage on heat output
> on low settings, not to be overlooked. The
> Admiral & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.
>
> Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank
> location with proper venting is the same for
> both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The
> tank can be almost anywhere for either unit and
> if elevation is such that gravity feed is not
> going to work for the bulkhead heater then you
> get a little impulse pump similar to what the
> Espar uses. I would see about putting the tank in
> the cockpit combing area, that's high enough and
> easy to fit a deck fill to keep everything
> outside. Either heater would like a 2 - 4 gallon
> tank since you're looking at up to 1 gallon a day
> use in cold conditions maybe a bit less for the D2.
>
> On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for
> retirement cruising I will have both types of
> heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :)
>
> Cheers, Russ
> Sweet 35 mk-1
> Vancouver Island
>
>
> At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:
>> Thanks for the helpful replies, all.
>>
>> Russ, I really love the idea of the newport
>> heaters, to be honest, I like the idea of solid
>> fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one of my
>> favourite things. But the only units worth
>> getting are expensive wood stove types, which
>> are super nice, but I can't justify the expense
>> and they have drawbacks on a boat. The espar is
>> appealing because it's out of the way. The
>> problem for me with the diesel newport is the
>> fuel. I have an A4 powered boat and one thing I
>> really like about my boat is that it doesn't
>> smell like diesel! The bulkhead diesel heater
>> would necessitate a gravity tank somewhere
>> inside and I'm not s

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Jeff,

Is Wallas the diesel stove/oven that starts a blower when you close the
lid?  Cool idea for getting propane off the boat.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Feb 6, 2016 1:19 PM, "Jeff Allston via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> I had a Wallas 30 Dt installed on my 32 two autumns ago. I live on the
> boat in Victoria over the winter so it gets a fair amount of use.
>
> I went with a professional installer and it took him two days to get it
> all done. It would have taken me significantly longer. The heater is
> installed in the port lazarette tucked up under the coaming. It's a bit of
> a pain to remove for servicing, but it's out of the way the rest of the
> year.
>
> This model heater has two hot air ducts and two cold air returns. One cold
> air return is under the cockpit seat on the port side and the other is in
> the cabin on the bulkhead behind the fridge. Both hot air runs enter under
> the sink and I have one outlet vent there. I ran the other duct under the
> stove, behind the water tank, through the hanging locker and, finally, out
> the bottom of the storage in the v berth. I wrapped the heating ducts with
> insulation. Don't skip this step.
>
> It works great. I went with Wallas because the national distributor is in
> town and I figured they would have all the parts and expertise I would ever
> need.
>
> If you want more details, and there are many, let me know.
>
> Jeff
> s/v Full Deck
> Victoria
>
> --
> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 14:41:17 -0500
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: stevanpla...@gmail.com
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto units. Is anyone running one
> on a 32? There's a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The
> literature indicates the D2 is good to 26 feet of boat, so it sounds like I
> need the D4 :(
>
> My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the season, not living aboard
> in the winter. The boat is two hours away so there will be "maintenance"
> trips in the spring and fall which means sleeping aboard, it can get quite
> cold up there.
>
> I have to keep the temps warm for the boat parrot who'll be living aboard
> with us while we cruise. We're planning three weeks in August this year so
> it shouldn't be too much of an issue but it gets cold up there at night,
> even in August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for cold summer nights but I
> have ideas about maybe cruising the North Channel when the fall colours are
> out. I don't want to limit myself. At the same time, I don't want to spend
> money that could go elsewhere.
>
> The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters are pretty but I hear they
> don't make quite enough heat. I'm leaning this way for the cost, but don't
> want to be disappointed. Everyone says the Espar and Webastos are best.
>
> I'de be doing the installation myself in any case so am eager to hear from
> others who have gone through it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[William Walker via CnC-List]

Graham,
   Your thoughts would appreciated on start up draw.  Prior owner installed in 
port Lazarette.  He is particular guy, all looks well done, but he told me 
about current draw and starting engine to get it going.  After its running 
seems to do fine off twin house batteries.  
Bill Walker 
CnC  36
Pentwater, Mi

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

On Saturday, February 6, 2016 Graham Collins via CnC-List 
 wrote:

The Espar has an air intake hose, so provided the end of the hose is clear of 
any fumes you are good to go.  You could connect that through 'to the main 
cabin if you wanted for enhanced piece of mind.  If you have flammable vapor in 
your main cabin then all bets are off...

And these things are pretty miserly, I might go through a gallon or two while 
working on the boat in the winter.  So a tiny fuel tank would be adequate.

I'm surprised at Bill's comment about startup draw, I run mine off batteries 
all the time and have never had an issue.
Graham Collins Secret Plans C 35-III #11 

On 2016-02-06 1:45 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:

I'm reading the marine installation manual and have some questions: 


- Under safety it reads: "The position of the combustion air must not allow 
exhaust fumes or flammable vapour to be drawn in". I have a gasoline tank in my 
engine compartment. Does this preclude me from installing one of these?


- Can anyone recommend a suitable fuel tank? I'de like something small that I 
can top off from a jerry can, so I can secure it into place in the lazarette. 5 
gallons maybe? What are others using if using a separate tank?


Thanks,


Steve

Suhana, C 32

Toronto



On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:

Hi Russ, 


I figure with the newport, the tank is inside the cabin (somewhere behind the 
bulkhead I would imagine, hanging locker on my boat likely). With the 
espar/webasto, it's in the engine compartment. Also with the newport, this is 
pretty much how i have to mount it:

http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg


Starboard I have a dinette and of course the mast. Port side isn't optimal 
either. Now that I'm thinking about the tank actually, and the venting, I'm not 
really sure where I'de locate a tank for the newport. 


Steve

Suhana, C 32

Toronto



On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Hi Steve,

I should have listed install location in the "Cons:" list of the Newport 
heater. It can be tricky.

The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead unit. The D2 has a huge 
advantage on heat output on low settings, not to be overlooked. The Admiral & I 
are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.

Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank location with proper venting is 
the same for both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The tank can be 
almost anywhere for either unit and if elevation is such that gravity feed is 
not going to work for the bulkhead heater then you get a little impulse pump 
similar to what the Espar uses. I would see about putting the tank in the 
cockpit combing area, that's high enough and easy to fit a deck fill to keep 
everything outside. Either heater would like a 2 - 4 gallon tank since you're 
looking at up to 1 gallon a day use in cold conditions maybe a bit less for the 
D2. 

On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for retirement cruising I will have both 
types of heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :)

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
Vancouver Island


At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:

Thanks for the helpful replies, all.

Russ, I really love the idea of the newport heaters, to be honest, I like the 
idea of solid fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one of my favourite things. 
But the only units worth getting are expensive wood stove types, which are 
super nice, but I can't justify the expense and they have drawbacks on a boat. 
The espar is appealing because it's out of the way. The problem for me with the 
diesel newport is the fuel. I have an A4 powered boat and one thing I really 
like about my boat is that it doesn't smell like diesel! The bulkhead diesel 
heater would necessitate a gravity tank somewhere inside and I'm not sure where 
I'de have space, maybe in the hanging locker. I'm concerned about the diesel 
smell. Most of what I've read about them is good however and to your point, 
maybe more heat than the D2, less money for sure. It's still an option, will my 
boat smell like diesel? 

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 wrote:
How much fuel does the Espar burn an hour? I use a propane tent heater the 
warms the cabin for 6 hrs on a small canister, but it's not dry heat. It takes 
the chill off, but doesn't dry the inside on a foggy Maine evening. 

Andy
C 40
Peregrine


Andrew Burton
PO Box 632
Newport, 

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Rick Rohwer via CnC-List]

Mine pulls 12amps until the glow plug goes off.
Rick. Paikea 37+

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> On Feb 6, 2016, at 13:17, William Walker via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Graham,
>Your thoughts would appreciated on start up draw.  Prior owner installed 
> in port Lazarette.  He is particular guy, all looks well done, but he told me 
> about current draw and starting engine to get it going.  After its running 
> seems to do fine off twin house batteries.  
> Bill Walker 
> CnC  36
> Pentwater, Mi
> 
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, February 6, 2016 Graham Collins via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> The Espar has an air intake hose, so provided the end of the hose is clear of 
> any fumes you are good to go.  You could connect that through 'to the main 
> cabin if you wanted for enhanced piece of mind.  If you have flammable vapor 
> in your main cabin then all bets are off...
> 
> And these things are pretty miserly, I might go through a gallon or two while 
> working on the boat in the winter.  So a tiny fuel tank would be adequate.
> 
> I'm surprised at Bill's comment about startup draw, I run mine off batteries 
> all the time and have never had an issue.
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C 35-III #11
> On 2016-02-06 1:45 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:
> I'm reading the marine installation manual and have some questions:
> 
> - Under safety it reads: "The position of the combustion air must not allow   
> exhaust fumes or flammable vapour to be drawn in". I have a gasoline 
> tank in my engine compartment. Does this preclude me from installing one of 
> these?
> 
> - Can anyone recommend a suitable fuel tank? I'de like something small that I 
> can top off from a jerry can, so I can secure it into place in the lazarette. 
> 5 gallons maybe? What are others using if using a separate tank?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:
>> Hi Russ,
>> 
>> I figure with the newport, the tank is inside the cabin (somewhere behind 
>> the bulkhead I would imagine, hanging locker on my boat likely). With the 
>> espar/webasto, it's in the engine compartment. Also with the newport, this 
>> is pretty much how i have to mount it:
>> http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg
>> 
>> Starboard I have a dinette and of course the mast. Port side isn't optimal 
>> either. Now that I'm thinking about the tank actually, and the venting, I'm 
>> not really sure where I'de locate a tank for the newport. 
>> 
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C 32
>> Toronto
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Steve,
>>> 
>>> I should have listed install location in the 
>>> "Cons:" list of the Newport heater. It can be tricky.
>>> 
>>> The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead unit. The D2 has a huge 
>>> advantage on heat output on low settings, not to be overlooked. The Admiral 
>>> & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.
>>> 
>>> Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank location with proper venting 
>>> is the same for both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The tank can 
>>> be almost anywhere for either unit and if elevation is such that gravity 
>>> feed is not going to work for the bulkhead heater then you get a little 
>>> impulse pump similar to what the Espar uses. I would see about putting the 
>>> tank in the cockpit combing area, that's high 
>>> enough and easy to fit a deck fill to keep everything outside. Either 
>>> heater would like a 2 - 4 gallon tank since you're looking at up to 1 
>>> gallon a day use in cold conditions maybe a bit less for the D2. 
>>> 
>>> On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for retirement cruising I will have 
>>> both types of heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :)
>>> 
>>> Cheers, Russ
>>> Sweet 35 mk-1
>>> Vancouver Island
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:
>>> Thanks for the helpful replies, all.
>>> 
>>> Russ, I really love the idea of the newport heaters, to be honest, I like 
>>> the idea of solid fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one of my favourite 
>>> things. But the only units worth getting are expensive wood stove types, 
>>> which are super nice, but I can't justify the expense and they have 
>>> drawbacks on a boat. The espar is appealing because it's out of the way. 
>>> The problem for me with the diesel newport is the fuel. I have an A4 
>>> powered boat and one thing I really like about my boat is that it doesn't 
>>> smell like diesel! The bulkhead diesel heater would necessitate a gravity 
>>> tank somewhere inside and I'm not sure where I'de have space, maybe in the 
>>> hanging locker. I'm concerned about the diesel smell. Most of what I've 
>>> read about them is 

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

Hey!  That's me!!! :-)

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2016-02-06 11:58 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List wrote:
One of our fellow CnC listers did a Hydronic install in his own boat 
and had an article published in the magazine Good Old Boat about it:



  HOT WATER, WARM BOAT
  BY GRAHAM COLLINS

A hydronic system extends the sailing (and showering) season. Our C 
35, Secret Plans, was previously used as a racing boat, so the 
hot-water system was stripped out at some time before we purchased 
her. As I’m not a fan of cold showers, this had to be addressed. We 
also wanted to be able to heat the boat so we could extend our 
cruising season a bit longer into the spring and fall. We keep the 
boat on a mooring, so shorepower is not typically available. The 
available fuel sources were diesel and propane, and we wanted to 
install only one system...


*Article Number:* 5583
*Issue:* 86 - September/October 2012
*Page No:* 27-29
*Read Online:* Not Available Online


On 6 February 2016 at 11:48, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Speaking of diesel heaters, ever since we brought Alera out from
Lake Ontario I have wanted to install a hydronic heater so that in
addition to heat we would have hot water.  So, every year when I
go to the Seattle Boat show I gather materials and every the the
amount of boat bucks, and my fear of screwing the installation up
makes me put it off another year.

Anyone have a hydronic setup?

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200 


> On Feb 5, 2016, at 4:24 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:23:56 -0800
> From: Russ & Melody <russ...@telus.net <mailto:russ...@telus.net>>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
    > Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
> Message-ID:
>   
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<mailto:mailman.179.1454718281.1678.cnc-list_cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I should have listed install location in the
> "Cons:" list of the Newport heater. It can be tricky.
>
> The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead
> unit. The D2 has a huge advantage on heat output
> on low settings, not to be overlooked. The
> Admiral & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be
overlooked.
>
> Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank
> location with proper venting is the same for
> both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The
> tank can be almost anywhere for either unit and
> if elevation is such that gravity feed is not
> going to work for the bulkhead heater then you
> get a little impulse pump similar to what the
> Espar uses. I would see about putting the tank in
> the cockpit combing area, that's high enough and
> easy to fit a deck fill to keep everything
> outside. Either heater would like a 2 - 4 gallon
> tank since you're looking at up to 1 gallon a day
> use in cold conditions maybe a bit less for the D2.
>
> On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for
> retirement cruising I will have both types of
> heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :)
>
> Cheers, Russ
> Sweet 35 mk-1
> Vancouver Island
>
>
> At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:
>> Thanks for the helpful replies, all.
>>
>> Russ, I really love the idea of the newport
>> heaters, to be honest, I like the idea of solid
>> fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one of my
>> favourite things. But the only units worth
>> getting are expensive wood stove types, which
>> are super nice, but I can't justify the expense
>> and they have drawbacks on a boat. The espar is
>> appealing because it's out of the way. The
>> problem for me with the diesel newport is the
>> fuel. I have an A4 powered boat and one thing I
>> really like about my boat is that it doesn't
>> smell like diesel! The bulkhead diesel heater
>> would necessitate a gravity tank somewhere
>> inside and I'm not sure where I'de have space,
>> maybe in the hanging locker. I'm concerned about
>> the diesel smell. Most of what I've read about
>> them is good however and to your point, maybe
>> more heat than the D2, less money for sure.

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

The Espar has an air intake hose, so provided the end of the hose is 
clear of any fumes you are good to go.  You could connect that through 
'to the main cabin if you wanted for enhanced piece of mind.  If you 
have flammable vapor in your main cabin then all bets are off...


And these things are pretty miserly, I might go through a gallon or two 
while working on the boat in the winter.  So a tiny fuel tank would be 
adequate.


I'm surprised at Bill's comment about startup draw, I run mine off 
batteries all the time and have never had an issue.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2016-02-06 1:45 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:
I'm reading the marine installation manual 
 
and have some questions:


- Under safety it reads: "The position of the combustion air must not 
allow exhaust fumes or flammable vapour to be drawn in". I have a 
gasoline tank in my engine compartment. Does this preclude me from 
installing one of these?


- Can anyone recommend a suitable fuel tank? I'de like something small 
that I can top off from a jerry can, so I can secure it into place in 
the lazarette. 5 gallons maybe? What are others using if using a 
separate tank?


Thanks,

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa > wrote:


Hi Russ,

I figure with the newport, the tank is inside the cabin (somewhere
behind the bulkhead I would imagine, hanging locker on my boat
likely). With the espar/webasto, it's in the engine compartment.
Also with the newport, this is pretty much how i have to mount it:

http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg

Starboard I have a dinette and of course the mast. Port side isn't
optimal either. Now that I'm thinking about the tank actually, and
the venting, I'm not really sure where I'de locate a tank for the
newport.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List
> wrote:


Hi Steve,

I should have listed install location in the "Cons:" list of
the Newport heater. It can be tricky.

The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead unit. The D2
has a huge advantage on heat output on low settings, not to be
overlooked. The Admiral & I are a big fan of radiant heat,
also not to be overlooked.

Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank location with
proper venting is the same for both, so diesel odour is a
wash, so to speak. The tank can be almost anywhere for either
unit and if elevation is such that gravity feed is not going
to work for the bulkhead heater then you get a little impulse
pump similar to what the Espar uses. I would see about putting
the tank in the cockpit combing area, that's high enough and
easy to fit a deck fill to keep everything outside. Either
heater would like a 2 - 4 gallon tank since you're looking at
up to 1 gallon a day use in cold conditions maybe a bit less
for the D2.

On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for retirement cruising
I will have both types of heaters so I won't need to choose
which one is best. :)

Cheers, Russ
/Sweet /35 mk-1
Vancouver Island


At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:

Thanks for the helpful replies, all.

Russ, I really love the idea of the newport heaters, to be
honest, I like the idea of solid fuel the most. A proper wood
fire is one of my favourite things. But the only units worth
getting are expensive wood stove types, which are super nice,
but I can't justify the expense and they have drawbacks on a
boat. The espar is appealing because it's out of the way. The
problem for me with the diesel newport is the fuel. I have an
A4 powered boat and one thing I really like about my boat is
that it doesn't smell like diesel! The bulkhead diesel heater
would necessitate a gravity tank somewhere inside and I'm not
sure where I'de have space, maybe in the hanging locker. I'm
concerned about the diesel smell. Most of what I've read
about them is good however and to your point, maybe more heat
than the D2, less money for sure. It's still an option, will
my boat smell like diesel?Â

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List
> wrote:

How much fuel does the Espar burn an hour? I use a
propane tent heater the warms the cabin for 6 hrs 

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

One of our fellow CnC listers did a Hydronic install in his own boat and
had an article published in the magazine Good Old Boat about it:

HOT WATER, WARM BOAT
BY GRAHAM COLLINS

A hydronic system extends the sailing (and showering) season. Our C 35,
Secret Plans, was previously used as a racing boat, so the hot-water system
was stripped out at some time before we purchased her. As I’m not a fan of
cold showers, this had to be addressed. We also wanted to be able to heat
the boat so we could extend our cruising season a bit longer into the
spring and fall. We keep the boat on a mooring, so shorepower is not
typically available. The available fuel sources were diesel and propane,
and we wanted to install only one system...

*Article Number:* 5583
*Issue:* 86 - September/October 2012
*Page No:* 27-29
*Read Online:* Not Available Online

On 6 February 2016 at 11:48, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Speaking of diesel heaters, ever since we brought Alera out from Lake
> Ontario I have wanted to install a hydronic heater so that in addition to
> heat we would have hot water.  So, every year when I go to the Seattle Boat
> show I gather materials and every the the amount of boat bucks, and my fear
> of screwing the installation up makes me put it off another year.
>
> Anyone have a hydronic setup?
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
>
>
> > On Feb 5, 2016, at 4:24 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:23:56 -0800
> > From: Russ & Melody <russ...@telus.net>
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
> > Message-ID:
> ><mailman.179.1454718281.1678.cnc-list_cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
> >
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > I should have listed install location in the
> > "Cons:" list of the Newport heater. It can be tricky.
> >
> > The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead
> > unit. The D2 has a huge advantage on heat output
> > on low settings, not to be overlooked. The
> > Admiral & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.
> >
> > Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank
> > location with proper venting is the same for
> > both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The
> > tank can be almost anywhere for either unit and
> > if elevation is such that gravity feed is not
> > going to work for the bulkhead heater then you
> > get a little impulse pump similar to what the
> > Espar uses. I would see about putting the tank in
> > the cockpit combing area, that's high enough and
> > easy to fit a deck fill to keep everything
> > outside. Either heater would like a 2 - 4 gallon
> > tank since you're looking at up to 1 gallon a day
> > use in cold conditions maybe a bit less for the D2.
> >
> > On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for
> > retirement cruising I will have both types of
> > heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :)
> >
> > Cheers, Russ
> > Sweet 35 mk-1
> > Vancouver Island
> >
> >
> > At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:
> >> Thanks for the helpful replies, all.
> >>
> >> Russ, I really love the idea of the newport
> >> heaters, to be honest, I like the idea of solid
> >> fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one of my
> >> favourite things. But the only units worth
> >> getting are expensive wood stove types, which
> >> are super nice, but I can't justify the expense
> >> and they have drawbacks on a boat. The espar is
> >> appealing because it's out of the way. The
> >> problem for me with the diesel newport is the
> >> fuel. I have an A4 powered boat and one thing I
> >> really like about my boat is that it doesn't
> >> smell like diesel! The bulkhead diesel heater
> >> would necessitate a gravity tank somewhere
> >> inside and I'm not sure where I'de have space,
> >> maybe in the hanging locker. I'm concerned about
> >> the diesel smell. Most of what I've read about
> >> them is good however and to your point, maybe
> >> more heat than the D2, less money for sure. It's
> >> still an option, will my boat smell like diesel??
> >>
> >> Steve
> >> Suhana, C 32
> >> Toronto
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Burton
> >> via CnC-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

I'm reading the marine installation manual

and have some questions:

- Under safety it reads: "The position of the combustion air must not allow
exhaust fumes or flammable vapour to be drawn in". I have a gasoline tank
in my engine compartment. Does this preclude me from installing one of
these?

- Can anyone recommend a suitable fuel tank? I'de like something small that
I can top off from a jerry can, so I can secure it into place in the
lazarette. 5 gallons maybe? What are others using if using a separate tank?

Thanks,

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa 
wrote:

> Hi Russ,
>
> I figure with the newport, the tank is inside the cabin (somewhere behind
> the bulkhead I would imagine, hanging locker on my boat likely). With the
> espar/webasto, it's in the engine compartment. Also with the newport, this
> is pretty much how i have to mount it:
>
> http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg
>
> Starboard I have a dinette and of course the mast. Port side isn't optimal
> either. Now that I'm thinking about the tank actually, and the venting, I'm
> not really sure where I'de locate a tank for the newport.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> I should have listed install location in the "Cons:" list of the Newport
>> heater. It can be tricky.
>>
>> The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead unit. The D2 has a huge
>> advantage on heat output on low settings, not to be overlooked. The Admiral
>> & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.
>>
>> Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank location with proper venting
>> is the same for both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The tank can
>> be almost anywhere for either unit and if elevation is such that gravity
>> feed is not going to work for the bulkhead heater then you get a little
>> impulse pump similar to what the Espar uses. I would see about putting the
>> tank in the cockpit combing area, that's high enough and easy to fit a deck
>> fill to keep everything outside. Either heater would like a 2 - 4 gallon
>> tank since you're looking at up to 1 gallon a day use in cold conditions
>> maybe a bit less for the D2.
>>
>> On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for retirement cruising I will
>> have both types of heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :)
>>
>> Cheers, Russ
>> *Sweet *35 mk-1
>> Vancouver Island
>>
>>
>> At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the helpful replies, all.
>>
>> Russ, I really love the idea of the newport heaters, to be honest, I like
>> the idea of solid fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one of my favourite
>> things. But the only units worth getting are expensive wood stove types,
>> which are super nice, but I can't justify the expense and they have
>> drawbacks on a boat. The espar is appealing because it's out of the way.
>> The problem for me with the diesel newport is the fuel. I have an A4
>> powered boat and one thing I really like about my boat is that it doesn't
>> smell like diesel! The bulkhead diesel heater would necessitate a gravity
>> tank somewhere inside and I'm not sure where I'de have space, maybe in the
>> hanging locker. I'm concerned about the diesel smell. Most of what I've
>> read about them is good however and to your point, maybe more heat than the
>> D2, less money for sure. It's still an option, will my boat smell like
>> diesel?Â
>>
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C 32
>> Toronto
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> How much fuel does the Espar burn an hour? I use a propane tent heater
>> the warms the cabin for 6 hrs on a small canister, but it's not dry heat.
>> It takes the chill off, but doesn't dry the inside on a foggy Maine
>> evening.Â
>>
>> Andy
>> C 40
>> Peregrine
>>
>>
>> Andrew Burton
>> PO Box 632
>> Newport, RIÂ
>> USA 02840
>>
>> +401 965Â 5260
>>
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2016, at 17:29, William Walker via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Steve,
>>   I have an espar  installed by po, no problems in five years.  But,
>> does have significant current draw at start up.  I need to start engine to
>> fire up unless on shore power.  After it gets going no problem.  Outlet
>> in main cabin, v berth  and head.Â
>> Bill Walker
>> Pentwater Mi
>> CnCÂ  36
>>
>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>>
>>
>> --
>> On Friday, February 5, 2016 Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto units. Is anyone running
>> one on a 32? There's a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The
>> literature 

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Jeff Allston via CnC-List]

Hi Steve,
I had a Wallas 30 Dt installed on my 32 two autumns ago. I live on the boat in 
Victoria over the winter so it gets a fair amount of use.
I went with a professional installer and it took him two days to get it all 
done. It would have taken me significantly longer. The heater is installed in 
the port lazarette tucked up under the coaming. It's a bit of a pain to remove 
for servicing, but it's out of the way the rest of the year.
This model heater has two hot air ducts and two cold air returns. One cold air 
return is under the cockpit seat on the port side and the other is in the cabin 
on the bulkhead behind the fridge. Both hot air runs enter under the sink and I 
have one outlet vent there. I ran the other duct under the stove, behind the 
water tank, through the hanging locker and, finally, out the bottom of the 
storage in the v berth. I wrapped the heating ducts with insulation. Don't skip 
this step.
It works great. I went with Wallas because the national distributor is in town 
and I figured they would have all the parts and expertise I would ever need.
If you want more details, and there are many, let me know.
Jeffs/v Full DeckVictoria

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 14:41:17 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: stevanpla...@gmail.com

Hi All,
I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto units. Is anyone running one on a 
32? There's a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The literature 
indicates the D2 is good to 26 feet of boat, so it sounds like I need the D4 :(
My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the season, not living aboard in 
the winter. The boat is two hours away so there will be "maintenance" trips in 
the spring and fall which means sleeping aboard, it can get quite cold up 
there. 
I have to keep the temps warm for the boat parrot who'll be living aboard with 
us while we cruise. We're planning three weeks in August this year so it 
shouldn't be too much of an issue but it gets cold up there at night, even in 
August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for cold summer nights but I have ideas 
about maybe cruising the North Channel when the fall colours are out. I don't 
want to limit myself. At the same time, I don't want to spend money that could 
go elsewhere. 
The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters are pretty but I hear they don't 
make quite enough heat. I'm leaning this way for the cost, but don't want to be 
disappointed. Everyone says the Espar and Webastos are best. 
I'de be doing the installation myself in any case so am eager to hear from 
others who have gone through it. 
Thanks,
SteveSuhana, C 32Toronto



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Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Steve,

1. - no, it does not preclude install in that 
space (up high please) . your gas tank is vented 
outside or you will smell fumes regularly (I know 
this from a weeping leak when I had the A4).
Note: you may need to up-size ventilation for the 
space for the times the heater is on while you are running the bilge blower.


2. - 4 or 5 gallons will be plenty to account for your intended use.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
Vancouver Island

At 09:45 AM 06/02/2016, you wrote:
I'm reading the 
marine 
installation manual and have some questions:


- Under safety it reads: "The position of the 
combustion air must not allow exhaust fumes or 
flammable vapour to be drawn in". I have a 
gasoline tank in my engine compartment. Does 
this preclude me from installing one of these?


- Can anyone recommend a suitable fuel tank? 
I'de like something small that I can top off 
from a jerry can, so I can secure it into place 
in the lazarette. 5 gallons maybe? What are 
others using if using a separate tank?


Thanks,

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa 
<stevanpla...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Russ,

I figure with the newport, the tank is inside 
the cabin (somewhere behind the bulkhead I would 
imagine, hanging locker on my boat likely). With 
the espar/webasto, it's in the engine 
compartment. Also with the newport, this is pretty much how i have to mount it:

http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg

Starboard I have a dinette and of course the 
mast. Port side isn't optimal either. Now that 
I'm thinking about the tank actually, and the 
venting, I'm not really sure where I'de locate a tank for the newport.Â


Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Russ & Melody 
via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


Hi Steve,

I should have listed install location in the 
"Cons:" list of the Newport heater. It can be tricky.


The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead 
unit. The D2 has a huge advantage on heat output 
on low settings, not to be overlooked. The 
Admiral & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.


Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank 
location with proper venting is the same for 
both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. 
The tank can be almost anywhere for either unit 
and if elevation is such that gravity feed is 
not going to work for the bulkhead heater then 
you get a little impulse pump similar to what 
the Espar uses. I would see about putting the 
tank in the cockpit combing area, that's high 
enough and easy to fit a deck fill to keep 
everything outside. Either heater would like a 2 
- 4 gallon tank since you're looking at up to 1 
gallon a day use in cold conditions maybe a bit less for the D2.


On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for 
retirement cruising I will have both types of 
heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :)


        Cheers, Russ
        Sweet 35 mk-1
        Vancouver Island


At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:

Thanks for the helpful replies, all.

Russ, I really love the idea of the newport 
heaters, to be honest, I like the idea of solid 
fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one of my 
favourite things. But the only units worth 
getting are expensive wood stove types, which 
are super nice, but I can't justify the expense 
and they have drawbacks on a boat. The espar is 
appealing because it's out of the way. The 
problem for me with the diesel newport is the 
fuel. I have an A4 powered boat and one thing I 
really like about my boat is that it doesn't 
smell like diesel! The bulkhead diesel heater 
would necessitate a gravity tank somewhere 
inside and I'm not sure where I'de have space, 
maybe in the hanging locker. I'm concerned 
about the diesel smell. Most of what I've read 
about them is good however and to your point, 
maybe more heat than the D2, less money for 
sure. It's still an option, will my boat smell like diesel?Â


Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Burton 
via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
How much fuel does the Espar burn an hour? I 
use a propane tent heater the warms the cabin 
for 6 hrs on a small canister, but it's not dry 
heat. It takes the chill off, but doesn't dry 
the inside on a foggy Maine evening.Â

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
PO Box 632
Newport, RIÂ
USA 02840
+401 965Â 5260

On Feb 5, 2016, at 17:29, William Walker via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:



Steve,
  I have an espar  installed by po, no 
problems in five years.  But, does 

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

This popped up in a search on the Good Old Boat site:

HYDRONIC HEAT

I am planning on installing a hydronic heater system on my 1978 Morgan 382.
The article by Graham Collins in the September 2012 issue is perfectly
timed. I do have a couple of questions for Graham. One: if during warm
weather, we need hot water for showers but not cabin heat, does not turning
on the radiator fans prevent the heat from coming up? Two: how many amps
does the system draw with the heater and both radiator fans going?
*–Jim Cleary*
GRAHAM REPLIES

Excellent questions.

*One*: With the fans turned off there is not an appreciable heat increase
in the cabin, but obviously there must be some. I have been considering
modifying the system simply because it would be more efficient to only heat
the water tank if that is desired. To do so one could add a Y valve and a T
such that the fluid can be directed only through the water heater.

*Two*: Per the specification sheets, the Espar unit draws 4 amps on high,
1.9 on low. The fans in the radiators draw .9 (large) and .35 (small) each.
The Espar runs on high until the recirculating fluid reaches the set point
(160F), at which time it throttles back to low. In practice, my system
takes about 20 minutes with the Espar running on high to heat the 6-gallon
water tank, a bit more if the radiators are also on. Thus for my usual use,
the energy consumption is about 3 amp hrs. and about .07 gallons of fuel.
Hope that helps!
*–Graham Collins*

On 6 February 2016 at 11:58, Ken Heaton <kenhea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> One of our fellow CnC listers did a Hydronic install in his own boat and
> had an article published in the magazine Good Old Boat about it:
>
> HOT WATER, WARM BOAT
> BY GRAHAM COLLINS
>
> A hydronic system extends the sailing (and showering) season. Our C 35,
> Secret Plans, was previously used as a racing boat, so the hot-water system
> was stripped out at some time before we purchased her. As I’m not a fan of
> cold showers, this had to be addressed. We also wanted to be able to heat
> the boat so we could extend our cruising season a bit longer into the
> spring and fall. We keep the boat on a mooring, so shorepower is not
> typically available. The available fuel sources were diesel and propane,
> and we wanted to install only one system...
>
> *Article Number:* 5583
> *Issue:* 86 - September/October 2012
> *Page No:* 27-29
> *Read Online:* Not Available Online
>
> On 6 February 2016 at 11:48, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Speaking of diesel heaters, ever since we brought Alera out from Lake
>> Ontario I have wanted to install a hydronic heater so that in addition to
>> heat we would have hot water.  So, every year when I go to the Seattle Boat
>> show I gather materials and every the the amount of boat bucks, and my fear
>> of screwing the installation up makes me put it off another year.
>>
>> Anyone have a hydronic setup?
>>
>> Tom Buscaglia
>> S/V Alera
>> 1990 C 37+/40
>> Vashon WA
>> P 206.463.9200
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 5, 2016, at 4:24 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Message: 8
>> > Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:23:56 -0800
>> > From: Russ & Melody <russ...@telus.net>
>> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
>> > Message-ID:
>> ><mailman.179.1454718281.1678.cnc-list_cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Steve,
>> >
>> > I should have listed install location in the
>> > "Cons:" list of the Newport heater. It can be tricky.
>> >
>> > The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead
>> > unit. The D2 has a huge advantage on heat output
>> > on low settings, not to be overlooked. The
>> > Admiral & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.
>> >
>> > Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank
>> > location with proper venting is the same for
>> > both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The
>> > tank can be almost anywhere for either unit and
>> > if elevation is such that gravity feed is not
>> > going to work for the bulkhead heater then you
>> > get a little impulse pump similar to what the
>> > Espar uses. I would see about putting the tank in
>> > the cockpit combing area, that's high enough and
>> > easy to fit a deck fill to keep everything
>> > outside. Either heater would like a 2 - 4 gallon
>> > tank since you're looking at up to 1 gallon a day
>&

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

http://www.goodoldboat.com/pdfs/GOB86HotWater.pdf

On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 10:25 AM Graham Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hey!  That's me!!!  :-)
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C 35-III #11
>
> On 2016-02-06 11:58 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List wrote:
>
> One of our fellow CnC listers did a Hydronic install in his own boat and
> had an article published in the magazine Good Old Boat about it:
>
> HOT WATER, WARM BOAT
> BY GRAHAM COLLINS
>
> A hydronic system extends the sailing (and showering) season. Our C 35,
> Secret Plans, was previously used as a racing boat, so the hot-water system
> was stripped out at some time before we purchased her. As I’m not a fan of
> cold showers, this had to be addressed. We also wanted to be able to heat
> the boat so we could extend our cruising season a bit longer into the
> spring and fall. We keep the boat on a mooring, so shorepower is not
> typically available. The available fuel sources were diesel and propane,
> and we wanted to install only one system...
>
> *Article Number:* 5583
> *Issue:* 86 - September/October 2012
> *Page No:* 27-29
> *Read Online:* Not Available Online
>
> On 6 February 2016 at 11:48, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Speaking of diesel heaters, ever since we brought Alera out from Lake
>> Ontario I have wanted to install a hydronic heater so that in addition to
>> heat we would have hot water.  So, every year when I go to the Seattle Boat
>> show I gather materials and every the the amount of boat bucks, and my fear
>> of screwing the installation up makes me put it off another year.
>>
>> Anyone have a hydronic setup?
>>
>> Tom Buscaglia
>> S/V Alera
>> 1990 C 37+/40
>> Vashon WA
>> P 206.463.9200
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 5, 2016, at 4:24 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Message: 8
>> > Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:23:56 -0800
>> > From: Russ & Melody <russ...@telus.net>
>> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
>> > Message-ID:
>> ><mailman.179.1454718281.1678.cnc-list_cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Steve,
>> >
>> > I should have listed install location in the
>> > "Cons:" list of the Newport heater. It can be tricky.
>> >
>> > The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead
>> > unit. The D2 has a huge advantage on heat output
>> > on low settings, not to be overlooked. The
>> > Admiral & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.
>> >
>> > Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank
>> > location with proper venting is the same for
>> > both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The
>> > tank can be almost anywhere for either unit and
>> > if elevation is such that gravity feed is not
>> > going to work for the bulkhead heater then you
>> > get a little impulse pump similar to what the
>> > Espar uses. I would see about putting the tank in
>> > the cockpit combing area, that's high enough and
>> > easy to fit a deck fill to keep everything
>> > outside. Either heater would like a 2 - 4 gallon
>> > tank since you're looking at up to 1 gallon a day
>> > use in cold conditions maybe a bit less for the D2.
>> >
>> > On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for
>> > retirement cruising I will have both types of
>> > heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :)
>> >
>> > Cheers, Russ
>> > Sweet 35 mk-1
>> > Vancouver Island
>> >
>> >
>> > At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:
>> >> Thanks for the helpful replies, all.
>> >>
>> >> Russ, I really love the idea of the newport
>> >> heaters, to be honest, I like the idea of solid
>> >> fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one of my
>> >> favourite things. But the only units worth
>> >> getting are expensive wood stove types, which
>> >> are super nice, but I can't justify the expense
>> >> and they have drawbacks on a boat. The espar is
>> >> appealing because it's out of the way. The
>> >> problem for me with the diesel newport is the
>> >> fuel. I have an A4 powered boat and one thing I
>> >> really like about my boat is that it doesn't
>> &

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

I thought I saw that online before but I wasn't sure where.  Thanks Kevin.

On 6 February 2016 at 22:29, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> http://www.goodoldboat.com/pdfs/GOB86HotWater.pdf
>
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 10:25 AM Graham Collins via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey!  That's me!!!  :-)
>>
>> Graham Collins
>> Secret Plans
>> C 35-III #11
>>
>> On 2016-02-06 11:58 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> One of our fellow CnC listers did a Hydronic install in his own boat and
>> had an article published in the magazine Good Old Boat about it:
>>
>> HOT WATER, WARM BOAT
>> BY GRAHAM COLLINS
>>
>> A hydronic system extends the sailing (and showering) season. Our C 35,
>> Secret Plans, was previously used as a racing boat, so the hot-water system
>> was stripped out at some time before we purchased her. As I’m not a fan of
>> cold showers, this had to be addressed. We also wanted to be able to heat
>> the boat so we could extend our cruising season a bit longer into the
>> spring and fall. We keep the boat on a mooring, so shorepower is not
>> typically available. The available fuel sources were diesel and propane,
>> and we wanted to install only one system...
>>
>> *Article Number:* 5583
>> *Issue:* 86 - September/October 2012
>> *Page No:* 27-29
>> *Read Online:* Not Available Online
>>
>> On 6 February 2016 at 11:48, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of diesel heaters, ever since we brought Alera out from Lake
>>> Ontario I have wanted to install a hydronic heater so that in addition to
>>> heat we would have hot water.  So, every year when I go to the Seattle Boat
>>> show I gather materials and every the the amount of boat bucks, and my fear
>>> of screwing the installation up makes me put it off another year.
>>>
>>> Anyone have a hydronic setup?
>>>
>>> Tom Buscaglia
>>> S/V Alera
>>> 1990 C 37+/40
>>> Vashon WA
>>> P 206.463.9200
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Feb 5, 2016, at 4:24 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Message: 8
>>> > Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:23:56 -0800
>>> > From: Russ & Melody <russ...@telus.net>
>>> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation
>>> > Message-ID:
>>> ><mailman.179.1454718281.1678.cnc-list_cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi Steve,
>>> >
>>> > I should have listed install location in the
>>> > "Cons:" list of the Newport heater. It can be tricky.
>>> >
>>> > The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead
>>> > unit. The D2 has a huge advantage on heat output
>>> > on low settings, not to be overlooked. The
>>> > Admiral & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.
>>> >
>>> > Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank
>>> > location with proper venting is the same for
>>> > both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The
>>> > tank can be almost anywhere for either unit and
>>> > if elevation is such that gravity feed is not
>>> > going to work for the bulkhead heater then you
>>> > get a little impulse pump similar to what the
>>> > Espar uses. I would see about putting the tank in
>>> > the cockpit combing area, that's high enough and
>>> > easy to fit a deck fill to keep everything
>>> > outside. Either heater would like a 2 - 4 gallon
>>> > tank since you're looking at up to 1 gallon a day
>>> > use in cold conditions maybe a bit less for the D2.
>>> >
>>> > On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for
>>> > retirement cruising I will have both types of
>>> > heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :)
>>> >
>>> > Cheers, Russ
>>> > Sweet 35 mk-1
>>> > Vancouver Island
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:
>>> >> Thanks for the helpful replies, all.
>>> >>
>>> >> Russ, I really love the idea of the newport
>>> >> heaters, to be honest, I

Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Steve,
Check the specs:
http://dickinsonmarine.com/product/newport-diesel-heater/
http://www.eberspaecher-na.com/fileadmin/data/countrysites/EB_Kanada/pdf/Airtronic_D2-D4-D5_Spec_sheet.pdf

The Newport heater is up to the task, low setting 
is at D2 high and high setting is 10 percent over the D4 high.


I believe the Espar D2 will be adequate for 
Georgian Bay cruising up to end of September.


High heat output is good to get the cabin quickly 
up to temperature from cold. If you're running 
the heater all night then smaller is better (less cycling).


Comparison of the two styles is not as easy.
Dickenson Newport:
Pros: no power required, no reset problems on 
"fail to start too many times", visible flame 
(fireplace ambience), warming plate for a pot o' 
whatever (may require an mod), steady radiant heat
Cons: higher heat on low may require cracking a 
hatch open to control cabin temp unless the 
Admiral & parrot don't like 80 degF, needs a 
circulating fan for quicker cabin warm-up, dial 'twiddling' for temp control


Espar:
Pros: thermostat control, better heater output ranges, good air distribution
Cons: higher installed cost, needs battery support, more noise,

I have a Dickensen heater with the pressure 
kerosene burner (forget what model it is) approx. 
9000 BU, mounted low near the mast base. It is 
good for cruising west coast up to end of 
October. For winter cruising I use a portable 
propane (Heater Buddy?) to get the cabin up to 
temperature in the morning because I shutdown the 
heater at night... which I would not do if running a Newport style burner.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
Vancouver Island

At 11:41 AM 05/02/2016, you wrote:

Hi All,

I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto 
units. Is anyone running one on a 32? There's a 
good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The 
literature indicates the D2 is good to 26 feet 
of boat, so it sounds like I need the D4 :(


My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the 
season, not living aboard in the winter. The 
boat is two hours away so there will be 
"maintenance" trips in the spring and fall which 
means sleeping aboard, it can get quite cold up there.Â


I have to keep the temps warm for the boat 
parrot who'll be living aboard with us while we 
cruise. We're planning three weeks in August 
this year so it shouldn't be too much of an 
issue but it gets cold up there at night, even 
in August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for cold 
summer nights but I have ideas about maybe 
cruising the North Channel when the fall colours 
are out. I don't want to limit myself. At the 
same time, I don't want to spend money that could go elsewhere.Â


The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters 
are pretty but I hear they don't make quite 
enough heat. I'm leaning this way for the cost, 
but don't want to be disappointed. Everyone says 
the Espar and Webastos are best.Â


I'de be doing the installation myself in any 
case so am eager to hear from others who have gone through it.Â


Thanks,

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

Steve – 

We’re on Lake Superior and have a little bit bigger space to heat with our 37.  
 I went with a Webasto 2000 last year.  There is only a single outlet in the 
space with the return air also ducted to the space – IE we don’t have fresh air 
makeup.  If I could figure out a good way to duct a vent in the vberth, that 
would be a good add.  I found we get around 10 degree rise per hour.  So 
getting the space from 30-60 will take 2-3 hrs.  It stays pretty comfortable - 
when my crew keep the hatch closed.  

 

Our use/size calculation per the website was in between two sizes and I went 
with a smaller one.  I really only need to take the edge off and dry out gear.  
Also, the less physical space available and lower power consumption were a 
factor.   These things are like diesel engines and like to be run, so having it 
going full bore when it is on is a good thing.  

 

Hope that helps.

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2016 2:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

 

Thanks Ken, after doing some more reading it sounds like their 26 foot 
recommendation for the D2 is for a power boat, which of course is more 
voluminous than my old C :)

 

>From searching this list it sounds like a single outlet into the cabin works 
>best. Curious if any other 32 owners have installed a forced air diesel and 
>how they routed the install. 

 

Cheers,

 

Steve

Suhana, C 32

Toronto

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

Our Espar D4 will bring the entire boat interior up to a comfortable 
temperature when the boat is out of the water on its cradle and the temperature 
outside is below freezing. This is a 39' 6" C 37 XL with a fairly roomy aft 
cabin.

 

I expect you can get away with a D2 on a 32.

 

Ken Heaton
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia

 

http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/

 

On 5 February 2016 at 15:41, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

Hi All,

 

I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto units. Is anyone running one on a 
32? There's a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The literature 
indicates the D2 is good to 26 feet of boat, so it sounds like I need the D4 :(

 

My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the season, not living aboard in 
the winter. The boat is two hours away so there will be "maintenance" trips in 
the spring and fall which means sleeping aboard, it can get quite cold up 
there. 

 

I have to keep the temps warm for the boat parrot who'll be living aboard with 
us while we cruise. We're planning three weeks in August this year so it 
shouldn't be too much of an issue but it gets cold up there at night, even in 
August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for cold summer nights but I have ideas 
about maybe cruising the North Channel when the fall colours are out. I don't 
want to limit myself. At the same time, I don't want to spend money that could 
go elsewhere. 

 

The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters are pretty but I hear they don't 
make quite enough heat. I'm leaning this way for the cost, but don't want to be 
disappointed. Everyone says the Espar and Webastos are best. 

 

I'de be doing the installation myself in any case so am eager to hear from 
others who have gone through it. 

 

Thanks,

 

Steve

Suhana, C 32

Toronto

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Hi Stevan,

In part because of the aft cabin layout and a forward cabin that can be
closed off we have 4 outlets piped from our Espar heater.  One is in the
aft cabin, one in the shower in the heads, one in the main cabin and one in
the forward cabin.  If all the outlets are wide open the aft cabin and
heads warm up first and fastest as they are closest to the Espar which is
mounted in the aft lazarette.  Closing those two outlets down a bit gets
the heat to the forward cabin (if needed to keep guests comfortable).

Our return air is taken from the lazarette which pulls it partly from the
bilge and partly through other air inlets.  Our bilge doesn't smell so no
smell from the heater and it makes sense (to me) to pull the coldest air
form below the cabin sole into the heater.

Ken H.

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On 5 February 2016 at 16:42, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:

> Thanks Ken, after doing some more reading it sounds like their 26 foot
> recommendation for the D2 is for a power boat, which of course is more
> voluminous than my old C :)
>
> From searching this list it sounds like a single outlet into the cabin
> works best. Curious if any other 32 owners have installed a forced air
> diesel and how they routed the install.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Our Espar D4 will bring the entire boat interior up to a comfortable
>> temperature when the boat is out of the water on its cradle and the
>> temperature outside is below freezing. This is a 39' 6" C 37 XL with a
>> fairly roomy aft cabin.
>>
>> I expect you can get away with a D2 on a 32.
>>
>> Ken Heaton
>> S/V Salazar - Can 54955
>> C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
>> Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
>>
>> http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/
>>
>> On 5 February 2016 at 15:41, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto units. Is anyone running
>>> one on a 32? There's a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The
>>> literature indicates the D2 is good to 26 feet of boat, so it sounds like I
>>> need the D4 :(
>>>
>>> My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the season, not living
>>> aboard in the winter. The boat is two hours away so there will be
>>> "maintenance" trips in the spring and fall which means sleeping aboard, it
>>> can get quite cold up there.
>>>
>>> I have to keep the temps warm for the boat parrot who'll be living
>>> aboard with us while we cruise. We're planning three weeks in August this
>>> year so it shouldn't be too much of an issue but it gets cold up there at
>>> night, even in August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for cold summer nights
>>> but I have ideas about maybe cruising the North Channel when the fall
>>> colours are out. I don't want to limit myself. At the same time, I don't
>>> want to spend money that could go elsewhere.
>>>
>>> The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters are pretty but I hear they
>>> don't make quite enough heat. I'm leaning this way for the cost, but don't
>>> want to be disappointed. Everyone says the Espar and Webastos are best.
>>>
>>> I'de be doing the installation myself in any case so am eager to hear
>>> from others who have gone through it.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> Suhana, C 32
>>> Toronto
>>>
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

How much fuel does the Espar burn an hour? I use a propane tent heater the 
warms the cabin for 6 hrs on a small canister, but it's not dry heat. It takes 
the chill off, but doesn't dry the inside on a foggy Maine evening. 

Andy
C 40
Peregrine


Andrew Burton
PO Box 632
Newport, RI 
USA 02840

+401 965 5260


> On Feb 5, 2016, at 17:29, William Walker via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Steve,
>   I have an espar  installed by po, no problems in five years.  But, does 
> have significant current draw at start up.  I need to start engine to fire up 
> unless on shore power.  After it gets going no problem.  Outlet in main 
> cabin, v berth  and head.  
> Bill Walker 
> Pentwater Mi 
> CnC  36
> 
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, February 5, 2016 Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto units. Is anyone running one on 
> a 32? There's a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The literature 
> indicates the D2 is good to 26 feet of boat, so it sounds like I need the D4 
> :(
> 
> My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the season, not living aboard in 
> the winter. The boat is two hours away so there will be "maintenance" trips 
> in the spring and fall which means sleeping aboard, it can get quite cold up 
> there. 
> 
> I have to keep the temps warm for the boat parrot who'll be living aboard 
> with us while we cruise. We're planning three weeks in August this year so it 
> shouldn't be too much of an issue but it gets cold up there at night, even in 
> August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for cold summer nights but I have ideas 
> about maybe cruising the North Channel when the fall colours are out. I don't 
> want to limit myself. At the same time, I don't want to spend money that 
> could go elsewhere. 
> 
> The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters are pretty but I hear they 
> don't make quite enough heat. I'm leaning this way for the cost, but don't 
> want to be disappointed. Everyone says the Espar and Webastos are best. 
> 
> I'de be doing the installation myself in any case so am eager to hear from 
> others who have gone through it. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
> 
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Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[William Walker via CnC-List]

Steve,
  I have an espar  installed by po, no problems in five years.  But, does have 
significant current draw at start up.  I need to start engine to fire up unless 
on shore power.  After it gets going no problem.  Outlet in main cabin, v berth 
 and head.  
Bill Walker 
Pentwater Mi 
CnC  36

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

On Friday, February 5, 2016 Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hi All,


I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto units. Is anyone running one on a 
32? There's a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The literature 
indicates the D2 is good to 26 feet of boat, so it sounds like I need the D4 :(


My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the season, not living aboard in 
the winter. The boat is two hours away so there will be "maintenance" trips in 
the spring and fall which means sleeping aboard, it can get quite cold up 
there. 


I have to keep the temps warm for the boat parrot who'll be living aboard with 
us while we cruise. We're planning three weeks in August this year so it 
shouldn't be too much of an issue but it gets cold up there at night, even in 
August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for cold summer nights but I have ideas 
about maybe cruising the North Channel when the fall colours are out. I don't 
want to limit myself. At the same time, I don't want to spend money that could 
go elsewhere. 


The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters are pretty but I hear they don't 
make quite enough heat. I'm leaning this way for the cost, but don't want to be 
disappointed. Everyone says the Espar and Webastos are best. 


I'de be doing the installation myself in any case so am eager to hear from 
others who have gone through it. 


Thanks,


Steve

Suhana, C 32

Toronto



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Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Thanks for the helpful replies, all.

Russ, I really love the idea of the newport heaters, to be honest, I like
the idea of solid fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one of my favourite
things. But the only units worth getting are expensive wood stove types,
which are super nice, but I can't justify the expense and they have
drawbacks on a boat. The espar is appealing because it's out of the way.
The problem for me with the diesel newport is the fuel. I have an A4
powered boat and one thing I really like about my boat is that it doesn't
smell like diesel! The bulkhead diesel heater would necessitate a gravity
tank somewhere inside and I'm not sure where I'de have space, maybe in the
hanging locker. I'm concerned about the diesel smell. Most of what I've
read about them is good however and to your point, maybe more heat than the
D2, less money for sure. It's still an option, will my boat smell like
diesel?

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> How much fuel does the Espar burn an hour? I use a propane tent heater the
> warms the cabin for 6 hrs on a small canister, but it's not dry heat. It
> takes the chill off, but doesn't dry the inside on a foggy Maine evening.
>
> Andy
> C 40
> Peregrine
>
>
> Andrew Burton
> PO Box 632
> Newport, RI
> USA 02840
>
> +401 965 5260
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2016, at 17:29, William Walker via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>   I have an espar  installed by po, no problems in five years.  But, does
> have significant current draw at start up.  I need to start engine to fire
> up unless on shore power.  After it gets going no problem.  Outlet in main
> cabin, v berth  and head.
> Bill Walker
> Pentwater Mi
> CnC  36
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>
> --
> On Friday, February 5, 2016 Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto units. Is anyone running one
> on a 32? There's a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The
> literature indicates the D2 is good to 26 feet of boat, so it sounds like I
> need the D4 :(
>
> My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the season, not living aboard
> in the winter. The boat is two hours away so there will be "maintenance"
> trips in the spring and fall which means sleeping aboard, it can get quite
> cold up there.
>
> I have to keep the temps warm for the boat parrot who'll be living aboard
> with us while we cruise. We're planning three weeks in August this year so
> it shouldn't be too much of an issue but it gets cold up there at night,
> even in August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for cold summer nights but I
> have ideas about maybe cruising the North Channel when the fall colours are
> out. I don't want to limit myself. At the same time, I don't want to spend
> money that could go elsewhere.
>
> The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters are pretty but I hear they
> don't make quite enough heat. I'm leaning this way for the cost, but don't
> want to be disappointed. Everyone says the Espar and Webastos are best.
>
> I'de be doing the installation myself in any case so am eager to hear from
> others who have gone through it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
>
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Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Our Espar D4 will bring the entire boat interior up to a comfortable
temperature when the boat is out of the water on its cradle and the
temperature outside is below freezing. This is a 39' 6" C 37 XL with a
fairly roomy aft cabin.

I expect you can get away with a D2 on a 32.

Ken Heaton
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia

http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/

On 5 February 2016 at 15:41, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto units. Is anyone running one
> on a 32? There's a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The
> literature indicates the D2 is good to 26 feet of boat, so it sounds like I
> need the D4 :(
>
> My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the season, not living aboard
> in the winter. The boat is two hours away so there will be "maintenance"
> trips in the spring and fall which means sleeping aboard, it can get quite
> cold up there.
>
> I have to keep the temps warm for the boat parrot who'll be living aboard
> with us while we cruise. We're planning three weeks in August this year so
> it shouldn't be too much of an issue but it gets cold up there at night,
> even in August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for cold summer nights but I
> have ideas about maybe cruising the North Channel when the fall colours are
> out. I don't want to limit myself. At the same time, I don't want to spend
> money that could go elsewhere.
>
> The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters are pretty but I hear they
> don't make quite enough heat. I'm leaning this way for the cost, but don't
> want to be disappointed. Everyone says the Espar and Webastos are best.
>
> I'de be doing the installation myself in any case so am eager to hear from
> others who have gone through it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Thanks Ken, after doing some more reading it sounds like their 26 foot
recommendation for the D2 is for a power boat, which of course is more
voluminous than my old C :)

>From searching this list it sounds like a single outlet into the cabin
works best. Curious if any other 32 owners have installed a forced air
diesel and how they routed the install.

Cheers,

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto




On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Our Espar D4 will bring the entire boat interior up to a comfortable
> temperature when the boat is out of the water on its cradle and the
> temperature outside is below freezing. This is a 39' 6" C 37 XL with a
> fairly roomy aft cabin.
>
> I expect you can get away with a D2 on a 32.
>
> Ken Heaton
> S/V Salazar - Can 54955
> C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
> Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
>
> http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/
>
> On 5 February 2016 at 15:41, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto units. Is anyone running
>> one on a 32? There's a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The
>> literature indicates the D2 is good to 26 feet of boat, so it sounds like I
>> need the D4 :(
>>
>> My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the season, not living aboard
>> in the winter. The boat is two hours away so there will be "maintenance"
>> trips in the spring and fall which means sleeping aboard, it can get quite
>> cold up there.
>>
>> I have to keep the temps warm for the boat parrot who'll be living aboard
>> with us while we cruise. We're planning three weeks in August this year so
>> it shouldn't be too much of an issue but it gets cold up there at night,
>> even in August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for cold summer nights but I
>> have ideas about maybe cruising the North Channel when the fall colours are
>> out. I don't want to limit myself. At the same time, I don't want to spend
>> money that could go elsewhere.
>>
>> The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters are pretty but I hear they
>> don't make quite enough heat. I'm leaning this way for the cost, but don't
>> want to be disappointed. Everyone says the Espar and Webastos are best.
>>
>> I'de be doing the installation myself in any case so am eager to hear
>> from others who have gone through it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C 32
>> Toronto
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Steve,

I should have listed install location in the 
"Cons:" list of the Newport heater. It can be tricky.


The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead 
unit. The D2 has a huge advantage on heat output 
on low settings, not to be overlooked. The 
Admiral & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.


Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank 
location with proper venting is the same for 
both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The 
tank can be almost anywhere for either unit and 
if elevation is such that gravity feed is not 
going to work for the bulkhead heater then you 
get a little impulse pump similar to what the 
Espar uses. I would see about putting the tank in 
the cockpit combing area, that's high enough and 
easy to fit a deck fill to keep everything 
outside. Either heater would like a 2 - 4 gallon 
tank since you're looking at up to 1 gallon a day 
use in cold conditions maybe a bit less for the D2.


On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for 
retirement cruising I will have both types of 
heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :)


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
Vancouver Island


At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:

Thanks for the helpful replies, all.

Russ, I really love the idea of the newport 
heaters, to be honest, I like the idea of solid 
fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one of my 
favourite things. But the only units worth 
getting are expensive wood stove types, which 
are super nice, but I can't justify the expense 
and they have drawbacks on a boat. The espar is 
appealing because it's out of the way. The 
problem for me with the diesel newport is the 
fuel. I have an A4 powered boat and one thing I 
really like about my boat is that it doesn't 
smell like diesel! The bulkhead diesel heater 
would necessitate a gravity tank somewhere 
inside and I'm not sure where I'de have space, 
maybe in the hanging locker. I'm concerned about 
the diesel smell. Most of what I've read about 
them is good however and to your point, maybe 
more heat than the D2, less money for sure. It's 
still an option, will my boat smell like diesel?Â


Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Burton 
via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
How much fuel does the Espar burn an hour? I use 
a propane tent heater the warms the cabin for 6 
hrs on a small canister, but it's not dry heat. 
It takes the chill off, but doesn't dry the inside on a foggy Maine evening.Â


Andy
C 40
Peregrine


Andrew Burton
PO Box 632
Newport, RIÂ
USA 02840

+401 965Â 5260


On Feb 5, 2016, at 17:29, William Walker via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:



Steve,
  I have an espar  installed by po, no 
problems in five years.  But, does have 
significant current draw at start up.  I need 
to start engine to fire up unless on shore 
power.  After it gets going no 
problem.  Outlet in main cabin, v berth  and head.Â

Bill Walker
Pentwater Mi
CnCÂ  36

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail



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On Friday, February 5, 2016 Stevan Plavsa via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


Hi All,

I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto 
units. Is anyone running one on a 32? There's a 
good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. 
The literature indicates the D2 is good to 26 
feet of boat, so it sounds like I need the D4 :(


My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the 
season, not living aboard in the winter. The 
boat is two hours away so there will be 
"maintenance" trips in the spring and fall 
which means sleeping aboard, it can get quite cold up there.Â


I have to keep the temps warm for the boat 
parrot who'll be living aboard with us while we 
cruise. We're planning three weeks in August 
this year so it shouldn't be too much of an 
issue but it gets cold up there at night, even 
in August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for 
cold summer nights but I have ideas about maybe 
cruising the North Channel when the fall 
colours are out. I don't want to limit myself. 
At the same time, I don't want to spend money that could go elsewhere.Â


The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters 
are pretty but I hear they don't make quite 
enough heat. I'm leaning this way for the cost, 
but don't want to be disappointed. Everyone 
says the Espar and Webastos are best.Â


I'de be doing the installation myself in any 
case so am eager to hear from others who have gone through it.Â


Thanks,

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Hi Russ,

I figure with the newport, the tank is inside the cabin (somewhere behind
the bulkhead I would imagine, hanging locker on my boat likely). With the
espar/webasto, it's in the engine compartment. Also with the newport, this
is pretty much how i have to mount it:
http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg

Starboard I have a dinette and of course the mast. Port side isn't optimal
either. Now that I'm thinking about the tank actually, and the venting, I'm
not really sure where I'de locate a tank for the newport.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I should have listed install location in the "Cons:" list of the Newport
> heater. It can be tricky.
>
> The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead unit. The D2 has a huge
> advantage on heat output on low settings, not to be overlooked. The Admiral
> & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.
>
> Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank location with proper venting
> is the same for both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The tank can
> be almost anywhere for either unit and if elevation is such that gravity
> feed is not going to work for the bulkhead heater then you get a little
> impulse pump similar to what the Espar uses. I would see about putting the
> tank in the cockpit combing area, that's high enough and easy to fit a deck
> fill to keep everything outside. Either heater would like a 2 - 4 gallon
> tank since you're looking at up to 1 gallon a day use in cold conditions
> maybe a bit less for the D2.
>
> On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for retirement cruising I will have
> both types of heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :)
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35 mk-1
> Vancouver Island
>
>
> At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:
>
> Thanks for the helpful replies, all.
>
> Russ, I really love the idea of the newport heaters, to be honest, I like
> the idea of solid fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one of my favourite
> things. But the only units worth getting are expensive wood stove types,
> which are super nice, but I can't justify the expense and they have
> drawbacks on a boat. The espar is appealing because it's out of the way.
> The problem for me with the diesel newport is the fuel. I have an A4
> powered boat and one thing I really like about my boat is that it doesn't
> smell like diesel! The bulkhead diesel heater would necessitate a gravity
> tank somewhere inside and I'm not sure where I'de have space, maybe in the
> hanging locker. I'm concerned about the diesel smell. Most of what I've
> read about them is good however and to your point, maybe more heat than the
> D2, less money for sure. It's still an option, will my boat smell like
> diesel?Â
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> How much fuel does the Espar burn an hour? I use a propane tent heater the
> warms the cabin for 6 hrs on a small canister, but it's not dry heat. It
> takes the chill off, but doesn't dry the inside on a foggy Maine evening.Â
>
> Andy
> C 40
> Peregrine
>
>
> Andrew Burton
> PO Box 632
> Newport, RIÂ
> USA 02840
>
> +401 965Â 5260
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2016, at 17:29, William Walker via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>   I have an espar  installed by po, no problems in five years.  But,
> does have significant current draw at start up.  I need to start engine to
> fire up unless on shore power.  After it gets going no problem.  Outlet
> in main cabin, v berth  and head.Â
> Bill Walker
> Pentwater Mi
> CnCÂ  36
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>
> --
> On Friday, February 5, 2016 Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto units. Is anyone running one
> on a 32? There's a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The
> literature indicates the D2 is good to 26 feet of boat, so it sounds like I
> need the D4 :(
>
> My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the season, not living aboard
> in the winter. The boat is two hours away so there will be "maintenance"
> trips in the spring and fall which means sleeping aboard, it can get quite
> cold up there.Â
>
> I have to keep the temps warm for the boat parrot who'll be living aboard
> with us while we cruise. We're planning three weeks in August this year so
> it shouldn't be too much of an issue but it gets cold up there at night,
> even in August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for cold summer nights but I
> have ideas about maybe cruising the North Channel when the fall colours are
> out. I don't want to limit myself. At the same time, I don't want to spend
> money that could go elsewhere.Â
>
> The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters are pretty but I