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The farther out you can project the clew the better Precisely why some areas impose limits of J. In PHRFNS a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole are the same. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Eric Baumes Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 7:00 PM To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Neil, In my opinion you are mis-interpreting the YRALIR non-spinnaker regulations. The regulation is 1. Pole Length: Whisker poles may not be longer than LP without penalty. Extendable poles must be banded to indicate their maximum permitted length. Spinnaker poles may be used as whisker poles. When a competitor declares a LP greater than 135% and a pole of J length, a +6 credit may be claimed. If the declared LP is from 120% to 135% with a J length pole, +3 credit may be claimed. No credit is available when the declared LP is less than 120% with a J length pole. There is no penalty for a whisker pole, rather a credit if it is less then LP. As to the value of a whisker pole and the size appropriate for the boat, I raced my Catalina 30 Tall Rig with a forespar 12-22 whisker pole VERY successfully. Downwind or reaching I regularly passed lower rated boats who had spinnaker poles for whisker. The farther out you can project the clew the better. Also for a 32 foot boat I would be concerned with the diameter of the pole. More is better given the load on the jib. Best, Eric 34/36+ ___ I want 10,000 tough guys, and I want 10,000 soft guys to make the tough guys look tougher! And here's how I want them arranged: tough, soft, tough, tough, soft, tough, soft, soft, tough, tough, soft, soft, tough, soft, tough, soft! Russ Cargill On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: J is the max length for a spinnaker pole without penalty under PHRF rules. In PHRF regions that do not make a distinction between a spin pole and a whisker pole, any pole longer than J wil get a penalty. In regions that do make a distinction, you can follow the best sailing practice of having a whisker pole equal to 1.24 of J, presuming your largest genoa is a 155. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:22, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHIS KER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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have a crew controlling the inboard end from near the shrouds. Also illegal in PHRFNS. Although it is done regularly and no one seems to care From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 7:51 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Tim If you used a 20 foot whisker pole to get your 155 clew further out to leeward do the rules state that the inboard end of the pole must be attached at the mast? I have never found a beneficial (better speed) use for a long whisker pole like that...and when I do see them used most boats have a crew controlling the inboard end from near the shrouds. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim Goodyear Sent: April 4, 2014 6:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 BTW, ECSA (Eastern CT PHRF) has removed max length for whisker poles from the regulations (someone mentioned other parts of Long Island Sound may still have restrictions). I only have a spinnaker pole (I mainly race with spin), so that's what I use, but (much) longer is needed to effectively pole out a 155%. My J is 13.6'; the #1 would be happy with the clew poled a bit more than 20' out. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Thanks Mike I am aware of that but it may not be the same rule in all PHRF jurisdictions.therefore I suggested to just get the proper spin pole(carbon fiber if you can afford it but even aluminium on a 32 foot boat is not too heavy to handle, attach at mast, use the pole uphaul to get the pole parallel to water with white sail and trim with sheet.easy and that way with the stronger pole you can pole the jib out to weather which I am willing to bet is faster DDW on a mast head rig than poling the clew out several feel beyond J on the leeward side. _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: April 7, 2014 9:40 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 The farther out you can project the clew the better Precisely why some areas impose limits of J. In PHRFNS a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole are the same. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Eric Baumes Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 7:00 PM To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Neil, In my opinion you are mis-interpreting the YRALIR non-spinnaker regulations. The regulation is 1. Pole Length: Whisker poles may not be longer than LP without penalty. Extendable poles must be banded to indicate their maximum permitted length. Spinnaker poles may be used as whisker poles. When a competitor declares a LP greater than 135% and a pole of J length, a +6 credit may be claimed. If the declared LP is from 120% to 135% with a J length pole, +3 credit may be claimed. No credit is available when the declared LP is less than 120% with a J length pole. There is no penalty for a whisker pole, rather a credit if it is less then LP. As to the value of a whisker pole and the size appropriate for the boat, I raced my Catalina 30 Tall Rig with a forespar 12-22 whisker pole VERY successfully. Downwind or reaching I regularly passed lower rated boats who had spinnaker poles for whisker. The farther out you can project the clew the better. Also for a 32 foot boat I would be concerned with the diameter of the pole. More is better given the load on the jib. Best, Eric 34/36+ ___ I want 10,000 tough guys, and I want 10,000 soft guys to make the tough guys look tougher! And here's how I want them arranged: tough, soft, tough, tough, soft, tough, soft, soft, tough, tough, soft, soft, tough, soft, tough, soft! Russ Cargill On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: J is the max length for a spinnaker pole without penalty under PHRF rules. In PHRF regions that do not make a distinction between a spin pole and a whisker pole, any pole longer than J wil get a penalty. In regions that do make a distinction, you can follow the best sailing practice of having a whisker pole equal to 1.24 of J, presuming your largest genoa is a 155. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:22, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles- http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER -POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description -Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/produc t_info.html#description From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Agree with Dwight. Different PHRF Regions have different rules for white sails/spinnakers/poles, etc. The last I looked, PHRF of the Chesapeake had the same rules an NE - no whisker (or spinnaker) poles longer than J without penalty. What I suggested earlier, for cruising (or racing if the rules permit), have the extra long whisker pole pushing the clew of the jib out to weather to allow you to go ddw - basically a big barn door with flat sails. Often faster than jibing downwind with your sails acting like sails (airflow). In moderate air (non planing), we find it often hard to keep up with a big boat going straight to the mark (with a J-legal pole) while we are blasting back and forth in our J-80, looking good and jibing well, but taking a much longer course. Gary - Original Message - From: dwight To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Thanks Mike I am aware of that but it may not be the same rule in all PHRF jurisdictions.therefore I suggested to just get the proper spin pole(carbon fiber if you can afford it but even aluminium on a 32 foot boat is not too heavy to handle, attach at mast, use the pole uphaul to get the pole parallel to water with white sail and trim with sheet.easy and that way with the stronger pole you can pole the jib out to weather which I am willing to bet is faster DDW on a mast head rig than poling the clew out several feel beyond J on the leeward side. -- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: April 7, 2014 9:40 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 The farther out you can project the clew the better Precisely why some areas impose limits of J. In PHRFNS a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole are the same. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Eric Baumes Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 7:00 PM To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Neil, In my opinion you are mis-interpreting the YRALIR non-spinnaker regulations. The regulation is 1. Pole Length: Whisker poles may not be longer than LP without penalty. Extendable poles must be banded to indicate their maximum permitted length. Spinnaker poles may be used as whisker poles. When a competitor declares a LP greater than 135% and a pole of J length, a +6 credit may be claimed. If the declared LP is from 120% to 135% with a J length pole, +3 credit may be claimed. No credit is available when the declared LP is less than 120% with a J length pole. There is no penalty for a whisker pole, rather a credit if it is less then LP. As to the value of a whisker pole and the size appropriate for the boat, I raced my Catalina 30 Tall Rig with a forespar 12-22 whisker pole VERY successfully. Downwind or reaching I regularly passed lower rated boats who had spinnaker poles for whisker. The farther out you can project the clew the better. Also for a 32 foot boat I would be concerned with the diameter of the pole. More is better given the load on the jib. Best, Eric 34/36+ ___ I want 10,000 tough guys, and I want 10,000 soft guys to make the tough guys look tougher! And here's how I want them arranged: tough, soft, tough, tough, soft, tough, soft, soft, tough, tough, soft, soft, tough, soft, tough, soft! Russ Cargill On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: J is the max length for a spinnaker pole without penalty under PHRF rules. In PHRF regions that do not make a distinction between a spin pole and a whisker pole, any pole longer than J wil get a penalty. In regions that do make a distinction, you can follow the best sailing practice of having a whisker pole equal to 1.24 of J, presuming your largest genoa is a 155. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:22, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
Mixed topics in this one ... National Yacht Club had a Hunter drop during lift out a few years back. The bow was wounded badly. Rumor has it that the forward sling position was mark too far forward. At NYC it is the owner's responsibility to place tape on the toe rail where the slings should go. The Hunter slid off the forward sling and went down a short distance nose first. The hole through the bow was reported to be caused not directly from the fall but a loose spinnaker pole or boom inside the boat falling forward. Punctured a hole right through the fiberglass. Michael if you ever need crew I'm available! Steve Will do. We also run practices on the weekend and MOB drills. Though with the water temps it may not be the first week of May ;-) Might also do a practice run to DYC and back, maybe some night sailing. Don't know how your local racing is regulated, but a whisker pole more than 1.5 J is usually not allowed. John McLaughlin From the current PHRF-LO handicapper's manual: 7.2. WHISKER POLE Effective April 2009: There will no longer be a penalty for oversized Whisker Pole lengths. 7.2.1. One whisker pole only shall be used. 7.2.2. Provisions of US Sailing rule 54, prohibiting sheeting of sails over or through outriggers, are specifically voided for whisker poles used according to the provisions of this paragraph. The reference to US Sailing rule 54 is dated. 54 now states: 54 FORESTAYS AND HEADSAIL TACKS Forestays and headsail tacks, except those of spinnaker staysails when the boat is not close-hauled, shall be attached approximately on a boat’s centreline. Likely refers to this: 50.3 Use of Outriggers (a) No sail shall be sheeted over or through an outrigger, except as permitted in rule 50.3(b) or 50.3(c). An outrigger is any fitting or other device so placed that it could exert outward pressure on a sheet or sail at a point from which, with the boat upright, a vertical line would fall outside the hull or deck. For the purpose of this rule, bulwarks, rails and rubbing strakes are not part of the hull or deck and the following are not outriggers: a bowsprit used to secure the tack of a sail, a bumkin used to sheet the boom of a sail, or a boom of a boomed headsail that requires no adjustment when tacking. (b) Any sail may be sheeted to or led above a boom that is regularly used for a sail and is permanently attached to the mast from which the head of the sail is set. (c) A headsail may be sheeted or attached at its clew to a spinnaker pole or whisker pole, provided that a spinnaker is not set. Though common holding out a sail or sheet by hand, boat hook or anything that is not attached to the mast / spinnaker ring may be against rules. At NYC if people hold the #1 out a bit in light shifty winds to prevent chaffing on the spreaders no one seems to worry. I see differences club to club in the PHRF ratings, length of whisker poles is one of the more common one. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 17:46:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Harben sailadventu...@rogers.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: 1396658778.47199.yahoomail...@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ... National Yacht Club had a Hunter drop during lift out a few years back. The bow was wounded badly. The year after, a mast dropped with people and boats around. I was in the dry sail area watching the process with wide eyes. I did the stop and warning from a distance ... scary. ? ? Don PS I sailed at NYC in the old two story wood clubhouse that backed on the Ball Stadium. There is picture of the old clubhouse in one of the meeting rooms. There were no docks in the basin, only moorings. I dry sailed Lightnings out through the moorings and the gaps ... most boats andsailers lived to see another day ...LOL Message: 11 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 22:28:38 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: Don Harben sailadventu...@rogers.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: CADdEvn5zW=hbQZ0OdhZc2+BUwW7bdz5pRPf=9BThp=hdpom...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Michael if you ever need crew I'm available! Steve Message: 12 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 22:37:17 -0400 (EDT) From: johnr...@aol.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: 8d11e8f183ead2b-828-2a...@webmail-vd018.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't know how your local racing is regulated, but a whisker pole more than 1.5 J is usually not allowed. John McLaughlin CC29-2 Falcon ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Sounds about right! Yes, its a bargain if it is not a corroded mess. Do you sail downwind a lot under main and jib or just jib? Do you have a fitting on the mast to attach it to? Joel On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote: There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHIS KER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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I agree, if that pole is usable, get it! Here in Long Island Sound, the whisker pole PHRF reg is no longer than LP. So if your jib is a 150%, LP is 1.5*J, quite a bit longer than J. Having that extra length beyond J makes a big difference. Spinnaker pole length on the other hand is usually J. Cheers, Bill On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Stevan Plavsa *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- William D. Hall, Ph.D. 203 653 2886 (o) 617 620 9078 (c) wh...@alum.mit.edu ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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If you sail almost ddw with the jib poled out to weather you won't want a pole longer than J and the boat will go a lot faster and you will want a real spin pole not a light whisker pole _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of William Hall Sent: April 4, 2014 1:32 PM To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 I agree, if that pole is usable, get it! Here in Long Island Sound, the whisker pole PHRF reg is no longer than LP. So if your jib is a 150%, LP is 1.5*J, quite a bit longer than J. Having that extra length beyond J makes a big difference. Spinnaker pole length on the other hand is usually J. Cheers, Bill On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles- http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER -POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description -Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/produc t_info.html#description From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- William D. Hall, Ph.D. 203 653 2886 (o) 617 620 9078 (c) wh...@alum.mit.edu ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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I didn't understand most of what you guys said, but I understood buy. Thanks! Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:31 PM, William Hall wh...@alum.mit.edu wrote: I agree, if that pole is usable, get it! Here in Long Island Sound, the whisker pole PHRF reg is no longer than LP. So if your jib is a 150%, LP is 1.5*J, quite a bit longer than J. Having that extra length beyond J makes a big difference. Spinnaker pole length on the other hand is usually J. Cheers, Bill On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.comwrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Stevan Plavsa *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- William D. Hall, Ph.D. 203 653 2886 (o) 617 620 9078 (c) wh...@alum.mit.edu ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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I have both. The whisker pole is 3 inches and the spinnaker pole is 3.5 or 4 in diameter. For downwind sailing, there is not a lot of stress on the pole when hooked to a jib. If it stretches from 7 to 17, it would not be classified as light. We are limited by PHRF to the J length, so I don't use it as the spinnaker pole does quite well, but I use the whisker pole for cruising as it pushes the number one further out and works better. Gary - Original Message - From: dwight To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 If you sail almost ddw with the jib poled out to weather you won't want a pole longer than J and the boat will go a lot faster and you will want a real spin pole not a light whisker pole -- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of William Hall Sent: April 4, 2014 1:32 PM To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 I agree, if that pole is usable, get it! Here in Long Island Sound, the whisker pole PHRF reg is no longer than LP. So if your jib is a 150%, LP is 1.5*J, quite a bit longer than J. Having that extra length beyond J makes a big difference. Spinnaker pole length on the other hand is usually J. Cheers, Bill On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- William D. Hall, Ph.D. 203 653 2886 (o) 617 620 9078 (c) wh...@alum.mit.edu -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
To answer your basic question: the whisker pole will hold the clew of the jib out to windward when going downwind and sailing 'wing on wing' with the jib on one side, main on the other, so the jib doesn't flop around. It needs an attachment point on the forward side of the mast, either a ring or a track with an adjustable ring. For a pole of that length, you may want a topping lift - line from about 20 feet up the mast to hold it up. Usually, the pole is adjusted to get the clew of the jib out as far as reasonable, not stretched tight, but out to catch as much wind as possible. That all depends on the size of your jib. If you, like most racers, have a 155% jib, that means it will be out there to the full length of the 17 foot pole. Your J measurement is 12 feet or so, so a spinnaker pole at 12 feet, wouldn't get the jib out nearly as far. Hope that explains it. Gary - Original Message - From: Stevan Plavsa To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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I would. -Original Message- From: Stevan Plavsa Sent: 04/04/2014 12:14 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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http://www.forespar.com/whisker2011.shtml#C_LIST They don't list a CC 32 but based on similar length boats looks like Forespar would recommend 10-18 but 7-17 should work, especially if you're using a No. 2. Looking at their prices, $100 is great buy if it's in decent shape. Also consider if it's a twist-lock or a line-control, for a 32 you'd probably want the line control. Neil Gallagher Weatherly 35-1 Glen Cove, NY On 4/4/2014 12:13 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
In light air on my old Mirage 24 I've actually held the clew of my genny out with the boat hook to keep the sail full. I think this'll be an improvement! http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=580584622 What do you guys think? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.netwrote: To answer your basic question: the whisker pole will hold the clew of the jib out to windward when going downwind and sailing 'wing on wing' with the jib on one side, main on the other, so the jib doesn't flop around. It needs an attachment point on the forward side of the mast, either a ring or a track with an adjustable ring. For a pole of that length, you may want a topping lift - line from about 20 feet up the mast to hold it up. Usually, the pole is adjusted to get the clew of the jib out as far as reasonable, not stretched tight, but out to catch as much wind as possible. That all depends on the size of your jib. If you, like most racers, have a 155% jib, that means it will be out there to the full length of the 17 foot pole. Your J measurement is 12 feet or so, so a spinnaker pole at 12 feet, wouldn't get the jib out nearly as far. Hope that explains it. Gary - Original Message - *From:* Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 12:13 PM *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold. The ad was posted today. grumble Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote: In light air on my old Mirage 24 I've actually held the clew of my genny out with the boat hook to keep the sail full. I think this'll be an improvement! http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=580584622 What do you guys think? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.netwrote: To answer your basic question: the whisker pole will hold the clew of the jib out to windward when going downwind and sailing 'wing on wing' with the jib on one side, main on the other, so the jib doesn't flop around. It needs an attachment point on the forward side of the mast, either a ring or a track with an adjustable ring. For a pole of that length, you may want a topping lift - line from about 20 feet up the mast to hold it up. Usually, the pole is adjusted to get the clew of the jib out as far as reasonable, not stretched tight, but out to catch as much wind as possible. That all depends on the size of your jib. If you, like most racers, have a 155% jib, that means it will be out there to the full length of the 17 foot pole. Your J measurement is 12 feet or so, so a spinnaker pole at 12 feet, wouldn't get the jib out nearly as far. Hope that explains it. Gary - Original Message - *From:* Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 12:13 PM *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Steve, You're lucky.just get a proper spinnaker pole for your boat and call it a day _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: April 4, 2014 3:17 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold. The ad was posted today. grumble Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: In light air on my old Mirage 24 I've actually held the clew of my genny out with the boat hook to keep the sail full. I think this'll be an improvement! http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=580584622 What do you guys think? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net wrote: To answer your basic question: the whisker pole will hold the clew of the jib out to windward when going downwind and sailing 'wing on wing' with the jib on one side, main on the other, so the jib doesn't flop around. It needs an attachment point on the forward side of the mast, either a ring or a track with an adjustable ring. For a pole of that length, you may want a topping lift - line from about 20 feet up the mast to hold it up. Usually, the pole is adjusted to get the clew of the jib out as far as reasonable, not stretched tight, but out to catch as much wind as possible. That all depends on the size of your jib. If you, like most racers, have a 155% jib, that means it will be out there to the full length of the 17 foot pole. Your J measurement is 12 feet or so, so a spinnaker pole at 12 feet, wouldn't get the jib out nearly as far. Hope that explains it. Gary - Original Message - From: Stevan Plavsa mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto _ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
We all want our money back! Rich On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold. The ad was posted today. grumble Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: In light air on my old Mirage 24 I've actually held the clew of my genny out with the boat hook to keep the sail full. I think this'll be an improvement! http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=580584622 What do you guys think? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net wrote: To answer your basic question: the whisker pole will hold the clew of the jib out to windward when going downwind and sailing 'wing on wing' with the jib on one side, main on the other, so the jib doesn't flop around. It needs an attachment point on the forward side of the mast, either a ring or a track with an adjustable ring. For a pole of that length, you may want a topping lift - line from about 20 feet up the mast to hold it up. Usually, the pole is adjusted to get the clew of the jib out as far as reasonable, not stretched tight, but out to catch as much wind as possible. That all depends on the size of your jib. If you, like most racers, have a 155% jib, that means it will be out there to the full length of the 17 foot pole. Your J measurement is 12 feet or so, so a spinnaker pole at 12 feet, wouldn't get the jib out nearly as far. Hope that explains it. Gary - Original Message - From: Stevan Plavsa To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
I don't have a spinnaker. :/ On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: We all want our money back! Rich On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold. The ad was posted today. grumble Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote: In light air on my old Mirage 24 I've actually held the clew of my genny out with the boat hook to keep the sail full. I think this'll be an improvement! http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=580584622 What do you guys think? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.netwrote: To answer your basic question: the whisker pole will hold the clew of the jib out to windward when going downwind and sailing 'wing on wing' with the jib on one side, main on the other, so the jib doesn't flop around. It needs an attachment point on the forward side of the mast, either a ring or a track with an adjustable ring. For a pole of that length, you may want a topping lift - line from about 20 feet up the mast to hold it up. Usually, the pole is adjusted to get the clew of the jib out as far as reasonable, not stretched tight, but out to catch as much wind as possible. That all depends on the size of your jib. If you, like most racers, have a 155% jib, that means it will be out there to the full length of the 17 foot pole. Your J measurement is 12 feet or so, so a spinnaker pole at 12 feet, wouldn't get the jib out nearly as far. Hope that explains it. Gary - Original Message - *From:* Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 12:13 PM *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Steve That does not matter if you have a spinnaker.use your jib as a spinnaker, use the pole topping lift, the downhaul and jib sheet as you would if you were flying a kite.no guy in this case.the kite works best to weather and the main sail is best to leeward.the leading edge of the kite just beginning to luff, hard to see on the jib because it is attached to the forestay but never the less the same thing happens.trim the sails and steer the boat to keep it that way going downwind.you have a rather narrow angle to steer but if you get it right and your crew trims your sails right and you learn to feel your boat you will leave your competition behind, believe me you will.so if white sail racing is what you are about, try what I suggest and learn to do it good.that could make a big difference in SOG for your boat.it has for all of the CC designs that I have sailed _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: April 4, 2014 3:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 I don't have a spinnaker. :/ On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: We all want our money back! Rich On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold. The ad was posted today. grumble Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Steve That does not matter if you have a spinnaker...use your jib as a spinnaker, use the pole topping lift, the downhaul and jib sheet as you would if you were flying a kite...no guy in this case...the kite works best to weather and the main sail is best to leeward...the leading edge of the kite just beginning to luff, hard to see on the jib because it is attached to the forestay but never the less the same thing happens...trim the sails and steer the boat to keep it that way going downwind...you have a rather narrow angle to steer but if you get it right and your crew trims your sails right and you learn to feel your boat you will leave your competition behind, believe me you will...so if white sail racing is what you are about, try what I suggest and learn to do it good...that could make a big difference in SOG for your boat...it has for all of the CC designs that I have sailed -- *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Stevan Plavsa *Sent:* April 4, 2014 3:29 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 I don't have a spinnaker. :/ On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: We all want our money back! Rich On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold. The ad was posted today. grumble Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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It's OK, try what I suggested and learn, even when not racing we all have to go downwind sometimes.get a spin pole and try what I suggest, learn to do it good and you will be fast downwind with your 110% in heavy air and your 150 in light _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: April 4, 2014 3:52 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Steve That does not matter if you have a spinnaker.use your jib as a spinnaker, use the pole topping lift, the downhaul and jib sheet as you would if you were flying a kite.no guy in this case.the kite works best to weather and the main sail is best to leeward.the leading edge of the kite just beginning to luff, hard to see on the jib because it is attached to the forestay but never the less the same thing happens.trim the sails and steer the boat to keep it that way going downwind.you have a rather narrow angle to steer but if you get it right and your crew trims your sails right and you learn to feel your boat you will leave your competition behind, believe me you will.so if white sail racing is what you are about, try what I suggest and learn to do it good.that could make a big difference in SOG for your boat.it has for all of the CC designs that I have sailed _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: April 4, 2014 3:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 I don't have a spinnaker. :/ On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: We all want our money back! Rich On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold. The ad was posted today. grumble Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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This has been in an RCR newsletter I receive, Forespar Whisker Pole For Sale: About 140 short and 270 extended. The diameters are 2.5 and 3 (inside and outside tubes). It has the line control system for extending/collapsing. Asking $650. mailto:john.m...@cushwake.com john.m...@cushwake.com Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 2:52 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Steve That does not matter if you have a spinnaker.use your jib as a spinnaker, use the pole topping lift, the downhaul and jib sheet as you would if you were flying a kite.no guy in this case.the kite works best to weather and the main sail is best to leeward.the leading edge of the kite just beginning to luff, hard to see on the jib because it is attached to the forestay but never the less the same thing happens.trim the sails and steer the boat to keep it that way going downwind.you have a rather narrow angle to steer but if you get it right and your crew trims your sails right and you learn to feel your boat you will leave your competition behind, believe me you will.so if white sail racing is what you are about, try what I suggest and learn to do it good.that could make a big difference in SOG for your boat.it has for all of the CC designs that I have sailed _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: April 4, 2014 3:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 I don't have a spinnaker. :/ On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: We all want our money back! Rich On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold. The ad was posted today. grumble Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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That's really generous of you Mike, thanks for the offer. It's just me and my girlfriend so I don't think we're ready to launch a spinnaker yet, and no topping lift etc. What is NFS/FS? Any racing I do this year will be white sail. Someone from our club went and bungled taking their mast down using your crane... bungled it right overboard for chrissakes. We got a polite (and completely understandable not to mention reasonable) letter from your commodore telling us we're not welcome to use your crane anymore. Now I don't have anywhere to go to get my stick up! Our mast crane is too puny for my 'huge' boat and a few of the others at the club. NYC has been very generous letting us use their crane over the years. I'll probably have to motor over to a marina and have them step my mast for me. If you happened to have been around during that debacle I want you to know that I had no part in it!!! We quietly got ours down days prior during work hours when no one was around. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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BTW, ECSA (Eastern CT PHRF) has removed max length for whisker poles from the regulations (someone mentioned other parts of Long Island Sound may still have restrictions). I only have a spinnaker pole (I mainly race with spin), so that's what I use, but (much) longer is needed to effectively pole out a 155%. My J is 13.6'; the #1 would be happy with the clew poled a bit more than 20' out. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Western LIS PHRF has a 6 sec/mi penalty for a whisker pole longer than the J measurement, but no limit. I just bought a Forespar 12-22, have been non-spin racing with a J-length spinnaker pole and found I usually can not get the No.2 (145%) to fly with it. Neil Gallagher Weatherly 35-1 Glen Cove NY On 4/4/2014 5:00 PM, Tim Goodyear wrote: BTW, ECSA (Eastern CT PHRF) has removed max length for whisker poles from the regulations (someone mentioned other parts of Long Island Sound may still have restrictions). I only have a spinnaker pole (I mainly race with spin), so that's what I use, but (much) longer is needed to effectively pole out a 155%. My J is 13.6'; the #1 would be happy with the clew poled a bit more than 20' out. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca mailto:m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com mailto:caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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J is the max length for a spinnaker pole without penalty under PHRF rules. In PHRF regions that do not make a distinction between a spin pole and a whisker pole, any pole longer than J wil get a penalty. In regions that do make a distinction, you can follow the best sailing practice of having a whisker pole equal to 1.24 of J, presuming your largest genoa is a 155. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:22, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 – 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Neil, In my opinion you are mis-interpreting the YRALIR non-spinnaker regulations. The regulation is 1. Pole Length: Whisker poles may not be longer than LP without penalty. Extendable poles must be banded to indicate their maximum permitted length. Spinnaker poles may be used as whisker poles. When a competitor declares a LP greater than 135% and a pole of J length, a +6 credit may be claimed. If the declared LP is from 120% to 135% with a J length pole, +3 credit may be claimed. No credit is available when the declared LP is less than 120% with a J length pole. There is no penalty for a whisker pole, rather a credit if it is less then LP. As to the value of a whisker pole and the size appropriate for the boat, I raced my Catalina 30 Tall Rig with a forespar 12-22 whisker pole VERY successfully. Downwind or reaching I regularly passed lower rated boats who had spinnaker poles for whisker. The farther out you can project the clew the better. Also for a 32 foot boat I would be concerned with the diameter of the pole. More is better given the load on the jib. Best, Eric 34/36+ ___ I want 10,000 tough guys, and I want 10,000 soft guys to make the tough guys look tougher! And here's how I want them arranged: tough, soft, tough, tough, soft, tough, soft, soft, tough, tough, soft, soft, tough, soft, tough, soft! *Russ Cargill* On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: J is the max length for a spinnaker pole without penalty under PHRF rules. In PHRF regions that do not make a distinction between a spin pole and a whisker pole, any pole longer than J wil get a penalty. In regions that do make a distinction, you can follow the best sailing practice of having a whisker pole equal to 1.24 of J, presuming your largest genoa is a 155. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:22, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Stevan Plavsa *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Tim If you used a 20 foot whisker pole to get your 155 clew further out to leeward do the rules state that the inboard end of the pole must be attached at the mast? I have never found a beneficial (better speed) use for a long whisker pole like that.and when I do see them used most boats have a crew controlling the inboard end from near the shrouds. _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim Goodyear Sent: April 4, 2014 6:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 BTW, ECSA (Eastern CT PHRF) has removed max length for whisker poles from the regulations (someone mentioned other parts of Long Island Sound may still have restrictions). I only have a spinnaker pole (I mainly race with spin), so that's what I use, but (much) longer is needed to effectively pole out a 155%. My J is 13.6'; the #1 would be happy with the clew poled a bit more than 20' out. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Usually the spinnaker launch goes well double handed. Takedown is more challenging, gybes are real interesting. NFS - Non Flying Sail - Whitesail FS - Flying Sail - Spinnaker I always cringe when I hear stories about problems taking down or putting masts in. Too easy for injuries to occur. If some time has gone by since the incident you might ask again. NYC has a pole catnow - utility truck with a nicely articulated crane. There are trained volunteers that operate the pole cat and you have to book a time. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 16:00:10 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn4wrkhrx6lb_gyw7-jc5-bbmomausm6zso3khmcceo...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 That's really generous of you Mike, thanks for the offer. It's just me and my girlfriend so I don't think we're ready to launch a spinnaker yet, and no topping lift etc. What is NFS/FS? Any racing I do this year will be white sail. Someone from our club went and bungled taking their mast down using your crane... bungled it right overboard for chrissakes. We got a polite (and completely understandable not to mention reasonable) letter from your commodore telling us we're not welcome to use your crane anymore. Now I don't have anywhere to go to get my stick up! Our mast crane is too puny for my 'huge' boat and a few of the others at the club. NYC has been very generous letting us use their crane over the years. I'll probably have to motor over to a marina and have them step my mast for me. If you happened to have been around during that debacle I want you to know that I had no part in it!!! We quietly got ours down days prior during work hours when no one was around. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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During a very light wind race we may just sail straight at the mark and try to set the sails out all the way, ie 90 degrees to the center line. To do that I need a long whisker pole, 22' is a little short. With a J of 13.50, a #1 foot of 22' I would need a 26' whisker pole for a perfect barn door. Note that is for sailing by the lee. With a bit more wind, and hopefully minor waves, I cross the lee and have crew hold the boom out. Without a whisker pole I can fly the headsail wing on wing. Just have to be careful, too much steering kills speed. As the wind picks up a little more we sail safer, not by the lee and use the whisker pole again. Finally, in heavier winds I switch to the spinnaker pole. We can run wing on wing up to 14 - 16 kts. Above that there is little advantage in speed. A trick to help out at the leeward rounding is to come in with main on starboard ( boom on the port side ) for rights. That will require the main to be gybed. Just as we get ~ 1 boat length away the jib sheet is eased just enough to trip the spinnaker pole at the mast and immediately take the end out and then forward. The jib is brought in rapidly with the spin pole still attached as the loose end goes to the pulpit. ie foredeck runs forward with the pole, then trips the sheet end to free it. Hard to time it perfectly but if we get that right the main is basically brought up to center as we round and go upwind. That is too rough on a whisker pole and takes too much time to collapse it. As you point out they will fold from just catching a wave. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 17:15:51 -0400 From: Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole Message-ID: 3b94d3c3-e871-440f-82e6-c29be8198...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A whisker pole should be 80 percent of the length of the LP of your largest headsail. For my 38, that calculates out to about 20' based on a J dimension a bit over 16'. Be careful that the whisker pole is of a diameter appropriate for your boat. I think Forespar has a recommendation for pole diameter by boat length. A friend bought a pole for his boat that was small diameter, and he folded the pole one day when sailing downwind in a chop and the end of the pole dipped into the water. Rick Brass ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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... National Yacht Club had a Hunter drop during lift out a few years back. The bow was wounded badly. The year after, a mast dropped with people and boats around. I was in the dry sail area watching the process with wide eyes. I did the stop and warning from a distance ... scary. Don PS I sailed at NYC in the old two story wood clubhouse that backed on the Ball Stadium. There is picture of the old clubhouse in one of the meeting rooms. There were no docks in the basin, only moorings. I dry sailed Lightnings out through the moorings and the gaps ... most boats andsailers lived to see another day ...LOL From: Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, April 4, 2014 7:11:40 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Usually the spinnaker launch goes well double handed. Takedown is more challenging, gybes are real interesting. NFS - Non Flying Sail - Whitesail FS - Flying Sail - Spinnaker I always cringe when I hear stories about problems taking down or putting masts in. Too easy for injuries to occur. If some time has gone by since the incident you might ask again. NYC has a pole catnow - utility truck with a nicely articulated crane. There are trained volunteers that operate the pole cat and you have to book a time. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 16:00:10 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn4wrkhrx6lb_gyw7-jc5-bbmomausm6zso3khmcceo...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 That's really generous of you Mike, thanks for the offer. It's just me and my girlfriend so I don't think we're ready to launch a spinnaker yet, and no topping lift etc. What is NFS/FS? Any racing I do this year will be white sail. Someone from our club went and bungled taking their mast down using your crane... bungled it right overboard for chrissakes. We got a polite (and completely understandable not to mention reasonable) letter from your commodore telling us we're not welcome to use your crane anymore. Now I don't have anywhere to go to get my stick up! Our mast crane is too puny for my 'huge' boat and a few of the others at the club. NYC has been very generous letting us use their crane over the years. I'll probably have to motor over to a marina and have them step my mast for me. If you happened to have been around during that debacle I want you to know that I had no part in it!!! We quietly got ours down days prior during work hours when no one was around. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Michael if you ever need crew I'm available! Steve On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Don Harben sailadventu...@rogers.comwrote: ... National Yacht Club had a Hunter drop during lift out a few years back. The bow was wounded badly. The year after, a mast dropped with people and boats around. I was in the dry sail area watching the process with wide eyes. I did the stop and warning from a distance ... scary. * Don* *PS I sailed at NYC in the old two story wood clubhouse that backed on the Ball Stadium. There is picture of the old clubhouse in one of the meeting rooms. There were no docks in the basin, only moorings. I dry sailed Lightnings out through the moorings and the gaps ... most boats andsailers lived to see another day ...LOL* -- *From:* Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Friday, April 4, 2014 7:11:40 PM *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Usually the spinnaker launch goes well double handed. Takedown is more challenging, gybes are real interesting. NFS - Non Flying Sail - Whitesail FS - Flying Sail - Spinnaker I always cringe when I hear stories about problems taking down or putting masts in. Too easy for injuries to occur. If some time has gone by since the incident you might ask again. NYC has a pole catnow - utility truck with a nicely articulated crane. There are trained volunteers that operate the pole cat and you have to book a time. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 16:00:10 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn4wrkhrx6lb_gyw7-jc5-bbmomausm6zso3khmcceo...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 That's really generous of you Mike, thanks for the offer. It's just me and my girlfriend so I don't think we're ready to launch a spinnaker yet, and no topping lift etc. What is NFS/FS? Any racing I do this year will be white sail. Someone from our club went and bungled taking their mast down using your crane... bungled it right overboard for chrissakes. We got a polite (and completely understandable not to mention reasonable) letter from your commodore telling us we're not welcome to use your crane anymore. Now I don't have anywhere to go to get my stick up! Our mast crane is too puny for my 'huge' boat and a few of the others at the club. NYC has been very generous letting us use their crane over the years. I'll probably have to motor over to a marina and have them step my mast for me. If you happened to have been around during that debacle I want you to know that I had no part in it!!! We quietly got ours down days prior during work hours when no one was around. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
Don't know how your local racing is regulated, but a whisker pole more than 1.5 J is usually not allowed. John McLaughlin CC29-2 Falcon -Original Message- From: Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 7:55 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 During a very light wind race we may just sail straight at the mark and try to set the sails out all the way, ie 90 degrees to the center line. To do that I need a long whisker pole, 22' is a little short. With a J of 13.50, a #1 foot of 22' I would need a 26' whisker pole for a perfect barn door. Note that is for sailing by the lee. With a bit more wind, and hopefully minor waves, I cross the lee and have crew hold the boom out. Without a whisker pole I can fly the headsail wing on wing. Just have to be careful, too much steering kills speed. As the wind picks up a little more we sail safer, not by the lee and use the whisker pole again. Finally, in heavier winds I switch to the spinnaker pole. We can run wing on wing up to 14 - 16 kts. Above that there is little advantage in speed. A trick to help out at the leeward rounding is to come in with main on starboard ( boom on the port side ) for rights. That will require the main to be gybed. Just as we get ~ 1 boat length away the jib sheet is eased just enough to trip the spinnaker pole at the mast and immediately take the end out and then forward. The jib is brought in rapidly with the spin pole still attached as the loose end goes to the pulpit. ie foredeck runs forward with the pole, then trips the sheet end to free it. Hard to time it perfectly but if we get that right the main is basically brought up to center as we round and go upwind. That is too rough on a whisker pole and takes too much time to collapse it. As you point out they will fold from just catching a wave. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 17:15:51 -0400 From: Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole Message-ID: 3b94d3c3-e871-440f-82e6-c29be8198...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A whisker pole should be 80 percent of the length of the LP of your largest headsail. For my 38, that calculates out to about 20' based on a J dimension a bit over 16'. Be careful that the whisker pole is of a diameter appropriate for your boat. I think Forespar has a recommendation for pole diameter by boat length. A friend bought a pole for his boat that was small diameter, and he folded the pole one day when sailing downwind in a chop and the end of the pole dipped into the water. Rick Brass ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
