Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
Alas, Reverend, I could not stop work to listen and would much appreciate a summary! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- No but I am not going to get into a shouting match with you either. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:21 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Studding the iPad with obsolescent ports is not a good thing. My wanting better interchange is not an appeal for more ports. The built-in 802.11n should be entirely sufficient. Studded, no. No one here but yourself has mentioned festooning the iPad with ports. USB is pretty much universal and clearly not obsolete in spite of your insistence that it is. Personally, I like FireWire, but it is not nearly as popular or as widely used, yet still not obsolete. Why do you say that current interface ports, still being used by almost every computer user and still being manufactured in large quantities and suppled on most computers, are already obsolete? I believe that your assertions along these lines do not comport with the definition of the word obsolete. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
On Feb 4, 2010, at 8:16 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Why do you say that current interface ports, still being used by almost every computer user and still being manufactured in large quantities and suppled on most computers, are already obsolete? I believe that your assertions along these lines do not comport with the definition of the word obsolete. I think I wrote obsolescent which is short of obsolete. I think we need to be keenly aware of what's happening. The latest iMac comes with a wireless keyboard and a wireless mouse and a wireless network. It still has many of those old ports in the back. And I would expect a desktop computer to have them. However, the iPad is not a desktop computer. It should not be configured like one. I think what Apple did is very appropriate for a new type of device. In terms of interoperability, Apple made a radical and interesting simplification. Apple is not going to let any malware crash its iPad. The way Apple has arranged things, the most an app can do is to go down in flames in isolation -- the rest of the device will keep on ticking. I can see how that is a good thing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:43 AM, Constance Warner wrote: And, as the participants pointed out, without having the device in hand, there's not a lot you CAN say about the iPad [and similar yet- to-be released devices] in a public forum on the radio, without looking silly. I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the revolutionary changes it brought will still hold. Add to this the Time Inc., YouTube video of what SI would look like on an iPad. Also add what we have seen with the Kindle. And the current problems of the news and media industry. I don't think it requires much of a stretch of the imagination to see that the iPad is going to be a very interesting device. And speaking of silly--the Frontline program on the Digital Revolution (or whatever) on WETA last night. I agree that looking things up on Google is a lot faster than looking them up in the encyclopedia, and texting to your friends is a little faster than talking on the phone, but will we have a whole new type of human being, just because a lot of middle-class people have bought wireless plans and carry smartphones? Because students cheat by downloading a plot synopsis of Romeo and Juliet instead of getting it from Cliff's Notes? I have not watched it yet, but I wonder if you are missing the major qualitative changes that even a small change in technology can achieve. Cell phones give ubiquitous connectivity. The ability to reach out to people at any time from any place changes how we organize our daily lives. Add to this mix Apple's apps innovation and you not have the same ubiquitous ability to reach data. Add to this GPS and you can become aware of your environment in a way that is wholly different. This is a big deal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] NYT's op ed about MS future...but the author seems to get he past wrong
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/opinion/04brass.html?th=emc=thpagewanted=all * AS they marvel at Apple’s new iPad tablet computer, the technorati seem to be focusing on where this leaves Amazon’s popular e-book business. But the much more important question is why Microsoft, America’s most famous and prosperous technology company, no longer brings us the future, whether it’s tablet computers like the iPad, e-books like Amazon’s Kindle, smartphones like the BlackBerry and iPhone, search engines like Google, digital music systems like iPod and iTunes or popular Web services like Facebook and Twitter.* I like the part where he says 'no longer brings us the future', the question is, when did MS ever do this? Still rather interesting, written by a former MS VP. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
At 09:03 AM 2/4/2010, you wrote: I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the revolutionary changes it brought will still hold. Add to this the Time Inc., YouTube video of what SI would look like on an iPad. Also add what we have seen with the Kindle. And the current problems of the news and media industry. I don't think it requires much of a stretch of the imagination to see that the iPad is going to be a very interesting device. This is something they mentioned as good and bad. The control that the device has can get bigger. The fiasco with Amazon being able to get into the Kindle and remove books was listed as one of those areas of control. Also being able to determine what content will and will not be allowed. Control is being ceded to the seller of technology and not held by the owner (lessee) of the technology. This was one of the problems they cited with the introduction of the Ipad. Also the incompatibility of all the formats right now is a another problem. Each one uses a different format. No conclcusions just some observations. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
The logical conclusion of all this is bad for the consumer. Will we need an e-reader for each publishing house? If I have a kindle, can I transfer those book to an iPad? I'd guess not...which means I never bought books...I bought a right to read them on an e-reader. Are we headed to the same head banging against the wall fight we've had the last few years over MP3 drm but now with ebooks? No one ever learns. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: At 09:03 AM 2/4/2010, you wrote: I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the revolutionary changes it brought will still hold. Add to this the Time Inc., YouTube video of what SI would look like on an iPad. Also add what we have seen with the Kindle. And the current problems of the news and media industry. I don't think it requires much of a stretch of the imagination to see that the iPad is going to be a very interesting device. This is something they mentioned as good and bad. The control that the device has can get bigger. The fiasco with Amazon being able to get into the Kindle and remove books was listed as one of those areas of control. Also being able to determine what content will and will not be allowed. Control is being ceded to the seller of technology and not held by the owner (lessee) of the technology. This was one of the problems they cited with the introduction of the Ipad. Also the incompatibility of all the formats right now is a another problem. Each one uses a different format. No conclcusions just some observations. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
Yes, with the iPad Jobs is attempting a wireless, portable device paradigm change. Well worth watching to see how Apple goes about it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the revolutionary changes it brought will still hold. Add to this the Time Inc., YouTube video of what SI would look like on an iPad. Also add what we have seen with the Kindle. And the current problems of the news and media industry. I don't think it requires much of a stretch of the imagination to see that the iPad is going to be a very interesting device. snip I have not watched it yet, but I wonder if you are missing the major qualitative changes that even a small change in technology can achieve. Cell phones give ubiquitous connectivity. The ability to reach out to people at any time from any place changes how we organize our daily lives. Add to this mix Apple's apps innovation and you not have the same ubiquitous ability to reach data. Add to this GPS and you can become aware of your environment in a way that is wholly different. This is a big deal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
Well it's hardly a paradigm change, Jobs is doing what other devices have already done before him..and some would argue better. The kindle comes with free wireless, you can download books anywhere for free. Apple is simply doing what they have done for years, take existing products and trying to make them better. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Yes, with the iPad Jobs is attempting a wireless, portable device paradigm change. Well worth watching to see how Apple goes about it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the revolutionary changes it brought will still hold. Add to this the Time Inc., YouTube video of what SI would look like on an iPad. Also add what we have seen with the Kindle. And the current problems of the news and media industry. I don't think it requires much of a stretch of the imagination to see that the iPad is going to be a very interesting device. snip I have not watched it yet, but I wonder if you are missing the major qualitative changes that even a small change in technology can achieve. Cell phones give ubiquitous connectivity. The ability to reach out to people at any time from any place changes how we organize our daily lives. Add to this mix Apple's apps innovation and you not have the same ubiquitous ability to reach data. Add to this GPS and you can become aware of your environment in a way that is wholly different. This is a big deal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Digital humanity (was: apple-stanza-usb)
A new type of human, thanks to the digital age? Well, not exactly. I agree that cellphones have made a HUGE difference in the third world. A Bangladeshi peasant can now check market prices for the agricultural products he/she is raising, so he/she can no longer be cheated by the middleman who buys the goods wholesale and resells them in the city. In the Congo, peacekeepers are now paid via cellphone; the credit is transmitted to their phones, and they go to a cellphone provider's booth to collect the actual currency. In Iran, social networking sites are used to organize protests against a tyrannical regime. Things like this are stupendously marvelous, IMHO. But a whole new type of human, which was what the program claimed? I don't think so. Human evolution doesn't go that fast, and human brains aren't that plastic. And there has been rapid connectivity since at least the Victorian period, for middle-class persons in developed countries. Remember those Sherlock Holmes movies and stories where Holmes finishes the Marsh test and scribbles a note for the errand boy, who runs to the telegraph office, where the message flashes to another telegraph office and is instantly carried to its destination? Email and phone texting are faster, but the difference is one of degree, not of kind. And can you REALLY reach anybody, any time--or even anybody in your immediate social circle, at any time? You can leave a message for them almost any time, but you could have done that before, by talking to the answering machine--or even the receptionist. You could even have sent a letter or a postcard, which has definite legal advantages--if you try certain kinds of hanky panky through the U.S. mail, it's a Federal rap. As for the other things on the program: you see mostly middle-class people doing middle-class things. Children are doing their homework on their laptops, while Daddy works on his laptop and the toddlers amuse themselves with Mom's iPhone. In a rich suburban school, a teacher manipulates pictures on a screen that covers half the wall. In another school, every child has a laptop. In Korea, a child is sent to camp for two weeks to try to cure him of his video-game addiction, and children learn songs about proper behavior on the Internet. All very nice, but all very local, developed, and middle- class. The majority of people on this planet don't have these advantages. And in the current economic situation, a lot fewer people in this country will have such advantages. The program depicted a middle- class movement for high-income people in developed areas. So claims for a new type of human are, at best, overstated. P.S.: And if you want to continue to use GPS, you might drop a note to your Congressperson about funding for NASA. GPS depends on a set of aging satellites and, AFAIK, there are no replacements in the pipeline. And speaking of silly--the Frontline program on the Digital Revolution (or whatever) on WETA last night. I agree that looking things up on Google is a lot faster than looking them up in the encyclopedia, and texting to your friends is a little faster than talking on the phone, but will we have a whole new type of human being, just because a lot of middle-class people have bought wireless plans and carry smartphones? Because students cheat by downloading a plot synopsis of Romeo and Juliet instead of getting it from Cliff's Notes? I have not watched it yet, but I wonder if you are missing the major qualitative changes that even a small change in technology can achieve. Cell phones give ubiquitous connectivity. The ability to reach out to people at any time from any place changes how we organize our daily lives. Add to this mix Apple's apps innovation and you not have the same ubiquitous ability to reach data. Add to this GPS and you can become aware of your environment in a way that is wholly different. This is a big deal. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
If you look for obvious revolutionary new, you will not see the impact. Jobs gave us a clue: standing on their shoulders. His intent, I believe is to change how consumers, maybe businesses as well, view the hand held, wireless and portable device market by putting it together to add more value. Don't know how it will play out, but I will be watching to see what Apple does and how they do it. I am not dismissing it, as you seem to be Mike, because I think watching will be fun and I will learn from it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Well it's hardly a paradigm change, Jobs is doing what other devices have already done before him..and some would argue better. The kindle comes with free wireless, you can download books anywhere for free. Apple is simply doing what they have done for years, take existing products and trying to make them better. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Yes, with the iPad Jobs is attempting a wireless, portable device paradigm change. Well worth watching to see how Apple goes about it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the revolutionary changes it brought will still hold. Add to this the Time Inc., YouTube video of what SI would look like on an iPad. Also add what we have seen with the Kindle. And the current problems of the news and media industry. I don't think it requires much of a stretch of the imagination to see that the iPad is going to be a very interesting device. snip I have not watched it yet, but I wonder if you are missing the major qualitative changes that even a small change in technology can achieve. Cell phones give ubiquitous connectivity. The ability to reach out to people at any time from any place changes how we organize our daily lives. Add to this mix Apple's apps innovation and you not have the same ubiquitous ability to reach data. Add to this GPS and you can become aware of your environment in a way that is wholly different. This is a big deal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 3 Feb 2010 to 4 Feb 2010 - Special issue (#2010-82)
Page with links to the Real Audio or Windows Media Player formats for that show: http://wamu.org/programs/dr/10/02/03.php?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=twitterutm_campaign=Feed%3A+WAMU885DianeRehm+(WAMU%3A+The+Diane+Rehm+Show) Podcast link: http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast.php?id=510071 On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:27 AM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: From:Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com Subject: Re: apple-stanza-usb Alas, Reverend, I could not stop work to listen and would much appreciate a summary! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- No but I am not going to get into a shouting match with you either. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:34 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: What's wrong with wires? What's wrong with horse-drawn carriages? And it kept an army of poop scoopers employed. We need those jobs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:34 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Apple is making their portable devices more closed than their computers by limiting the applications that can be used on them. Of course, there are over 100,000 iPhone apps, does Apple have to approve each one? Why not simply say 'application source untrusted' instead and let users choose. If you don't want safe and secure you can go buy an Android phone. That is how you choose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] NYT's op ed about MS future...but the author seems to get he past wrong
On Feb 4, 2010, at 10:26 AM, mike wrote: I like the part where he says 'no longer brings us the future', the question is, when did MS ever do this? Still rather interesting, written by a former MS VP. There was a very short time when M$ did. They brought us M$ Word, which was a heck of a lot better than Word Perfect and Excel. Both of those products were innovative and winners on their own merits. They should get credit for that. Alas it wasn't long before they decided that more money could be made by thuggery and even these fine products started their downward spiral. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
And some of us will brave the big bold outside world and get out of Apple's walled garden. And we are rewarded. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:34 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Apple is making their portable devices more closed than their computers by limiting the applications that can be used on them. Of course, there are over 100,000 iPhone apps, does Apple have to approve each one? Why not simply say 'application source untrusted' instead and let users choose. If you don't want safe and secure you can go buy an Android phone. That is how you choose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
I sort of agree with the storage aspect, but that is relative also...to some 4 gigs is enough, others want 64 gigs and that still isn't enough. With cloud based services many things can be left on the net and accessed as needed from an iphone or android etc. I keep a lot of pictures on sugarsync so it doesn't take up storage on my phone even though I have a 16 gig card in my phone. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:34 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: The iPhone was a step backwards, missing essential features. While the OS is very user-friendly, its ties to one network are troublesome. I understand that when you unlock a US version iPhone, some important features break, even with ATT. It has limited storage, while other companies realize that limiting storage by the size of a card instead of installed memory is better than wasting a lot of time storing data online where it may not be available at all times, especially when you need it. The iPad is another step backwards because it isn't compatible with other US GSM networks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Digital humanity (was: apple-stanza-usb)
On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Constance Warner wrote: But a whole new type of human, which was what the program claimed? I don't think so. How about this guy... Sun CEO Announces Resignation On Twitter http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/open_source/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222601162 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
Since when is Apple's marketing strategy based on fear? Beauty, utility, but fear? This is something new that has nothing to do with being different or innovative. And some of us will brave the big bold outside world and get out of Apple's walled garden. And we are rewarded. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:34 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Apple is making their portable devices more closed than their computers by limiting the applications that can be used on them. Of course, there are over 100,000 iPhone apps, does Apple have to approve each one? Why not simply say 'application source untrusted' instead and let users choose. If you don't want safe and secure you can go buy an Android phone. That is how you choose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
I think Apple has been smart to stay away from big productions about Apple being 'safer' than windows even if they are. It presents a bad image and negativity overall. I think it is implied in their ease of use advertising etc. Tom is really the only one using fear to try and drive Apple sales. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:20 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Since when is Apple's marketing strategy based on fear? Beauty, utility, but fear? This is something new that has nothing to do with being different or innovative. And some of us will brave the big bold outside world and get out of Apple's walled garden. And we are rewarded. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:34 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Apple is making their portable devices more closed than their computers by limiting the applications that can be used on them. Of course, there are over 100,000 iPhone apps, does Apple have to approve each one? Why not simply say 'application source untrusted' instead and let users choose. If you don't want safe and secure you can go buy an Android phone. That is how you choose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
On Feb 4, 2010, at 6:31 PM, mike wrote: Tom is really the only one using fear to try and drive Apple sales. Mike will say just about anything to advance his far-out agenda. Now taking good care of one's clients has morphed into selling fear. The logical conclusion is that the buggier and infested an operating system is the more Mike will praise it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
On Feb 4, 2010, at 6:20 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Since when is Apple's marketing strategy based on fear? Beauty, utility, but fear? This is something new that has nothing to do with being different or innovative. That is quite a logical leap. Suddenly you don't approve of computers that are not buggy. Tonight's Marketplace had a great commentary on this topic... Apple looks ahead by ditching Flash http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2010/02/04/pm-manjoo-commentary/ Apple has said that Flash is riddled with errors. In other words, Steve Jobs isn't going to ruin his pristine machine just so you can watch Hulu. Apple could also be making a wise bet about the future of the Web. Many Web browsers are adopting a new standard to make Web sites interactive -- HTML5. Jobs has a track record of knowing when technologies are on the way out. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
Well it's a good thing logic never stops you, we are all entertained the more for it. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:54 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 6:31 PM, mike wrote: Tom is really the only one using fear to try and drive Apple sales. Mike will say just about anything to advance his far-out agenda. Now taking good care of one's clients has morphed into selling fear. The logical conclusion is that the buggier and infested an operating system is the more Mike will praise it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Microsoft’s Creative Destruction
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/opinion/04brass.html Microsoft’s huge profits — $6.7 billion for the past quarter — come almost entirely from Windows and Office programs first developed decades ago. Like G.M. with its trucks and S.U.V.’s, Microsoft can’t count on these venerable products to sustain it forever. Perhaps worst of all, Microsoft is no longer considered the cool or cutting-edge place to work. There has been a steady exit of its best and brightest. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft’s Creative Destruction
Lucky for MS, they don't have unions sucking them dry...it's just their own lack of creative force. Or how about even *trying* to play catch up? How long since the iphone came out? And still we are looking at the craptastically bad windows mobile. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:33 PM, tjp t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/opinion/04brass.html Microsoft’s huge profits — $6.7 billion for the past quarter — come almost entirely from Windows and Office programs first developed decades ago. Like G.M. with its trucks and S.U.V.’s, Microsoft can’t count on these venerable products to sustain it forever. Perhaps worst of all, Microsoft is no longer considered the cool or cutting-edge place to work. There has been a steady exit of its best and brightest. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google: Damned if you do; damned if you don't
Normally I'd agree with you, Mike... but I think the article actually rationalized it reasonably well. It isn't to protect people from what they said... ...its to protect them (both the person and google) from what they DIDN'T say. It is admitting that: 1) Their software isn't perfect 2) That it may be used in situations where it can't really be reviewed before it is used and 3) That it may make errors in a way that are considered inappropriate. In that sense, it is an interesting solution to the problem. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:31 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Another case of political correctness run amok. Heaven forbid adults get to say what they want. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:50 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: One of the iPhone aps does the same thing. I think it is Dragon Naturally speaking. I would guess that Google Voice auto bowdlerizes as well.. On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Weird. We recently turned off the cuss filter on our forum, only to have one of our *moderators* begin to cuss like crazy. :( On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:44 PM, tjp t...@tjpa.com wrote: An interesting dilemma... How Google's Nexus One censors cuss words (and why) http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10440115-71.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:24:55 -0800, mike escribió: I sort of agree with the storage aspect, but that is relative also...to some 4 gigs is enough, others want 64 gigs and that still isn't enough. With cloud based services many things can be left on the net and accessed as needed from an iphone or android etc. I keep a lot of pictures on sugarsync so it doesn't take up storage on my phone even though I have a 16 gig card in my phone. There you go with that cloud nonsense. Fine if you live, work and travel only where there's reliable, affordable broadband, but that's not most of the country--or the world. The cloud is not a good place for data that you need to access at any time. I've had to rely on remote servers that done me wrong for too many years. Don't trust them. Never did. No reason to rely on them in the near or not-so-near future. Have you ever lost data on a remote server? Have you ever stored important data that you couldn't access because the network wasn't available or the server was down? Still happens often enough not to rely on the cloud. Andy Ihnatko says of backups, If it doesn't exist in 3 places, it doesn't exist. Using the cloud for backup is like a 3-legged stool with one leg [the cloud] taped together with one layer of paper tape. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
You are changing the parameters to win an argument. No one, least of all me said use the cloud for backup. We are specifically talking about cell phones...devices that by their nature need access to the network to work. I'm not putting my dissertation on google docs and trying to access it with my iphone..I'm talking about the ability if you have a device with only 8 gigs of storage, to keep pictures you might want to see once in awhile on a server accessible by your phone. Not back them up there, just toss them there in case you want to bore your friends with your kid dressed as superman. http://twitpic.com/u7kyz On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:09 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:24:55 -0800, mike escribió: I sort of agree with the storage aspect, but that is relative also...to some 4 gigs is enough, others want 64 gigs and that still isn't enough. With cloud based services many things can be left on the net and accessed as needed from an iphone or android etc. I keep a lot of pictures on sugarsync so it doesn't take up storage on my phone even though I have a 16 gig card in my phone. There you go with that cloud nonsense. Fine if you live, work and travel only where there's reliable, affordable broadband, but that's not most of the country--or the world. The cloud is not a good place for data that you need to access at any time. I've had to rely on remote servers that done me wrong for too many years. Don't trust them. Never did. No reason to rely on them in the near or not-so-near future. Have you ever lost data on a remote server? Have you ever stored important data that you couldn't access because the network wasn't available or the server was down? Still happens often enough not to rely on the cloud. Andy Ihnatko says of backups, If it doesn't exist in 3 places, it doesn't exist. Using the cloud for backup is like a 3-legged stool with one leg [the cloud] taped together with one layer of paper tape. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
I think perhaps it's just that I see the ipod touch/iphone as the start of the revolution and you may see the ipad as the start. Either way, Apple is leading the charge on this again as they did on mp3, I just hope the content wars over ipads/kindles/tablets don't cause more casualties on the customer side, gaining 'innovation' at the cost of control. The publisher who pulled out of amazon for (probably) the ipad worries me more than I'm hopeful in what the ipad might bring. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: If you look for obvious revolutionary new, you will not see the impact. Jobs gave us a clue: standing on their shoulders. His intent, I believe is to change how consumers, maybe businesses as well, view the hand held, wireless and portable device market by putting it together to add more value. Don't know how it will play out, but I will be watching to see what Apple does and how they do it. I am not dismissing it, as you seem to be Mike, because I think watching will be fun and I will learn from it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Well it's hardly a paradigm change, Jobs is doing what other devices have already done before him..and some would argue better. The kindle comes with free wireless, you can download books anywhere for free. Apple is simply doing what they have done for years, take existing products and trying to make them better. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Yes, with the iPad Jobs is attempting a wireless, portable device paradigm change. Well worth watching to see how Apple goes about it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the revolutionary changes it brought will still hold. Add to this the Time Inc., YouTube video of what SI would look like on an iPad. Also add what we have seen with the Kindle. And the current problems of the news and media industry. I don't think it requires much of a stretch of the imagination to see that the iPad is going to be a very interesting device. snip I have not watched it yet, but I wonder if you are missing the major qualitative changes that even a small change in technology can achieve. Cell phones give ubiquitous connectivity. The ability to reach out to people at any time from any place changes how we organize our daily lives. Add to this mix Apple's apps innovation and you not have the same ubiquitous ability to reach data. Add to this GPS and you can become aware of your environment in a way that is wholly different. This is a big deal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
