[Cooker] Non-root init 0?
Is it possible to shutdown a system without being a superuser? I'd like to retain Ctrl-Alt-Del as convinient method to reboot ... TIA -andrej Have a nice DOS! B >>
Re: [Cooker] confused... lilo and grub
So, why not throw away Grub and just use LILO ? :-) Prana Peter Ruskin wrote: > > On Saturday 10 March 2001 14:06, Prana wrote: > > Why is there 2 bootloaders? Lilo and Grub? > > One reason is that if your boot partition is on a SCSI disk controlled by > an Adaptec AHA2940A, you can't use grub, due to a known Adaptec bug. > -- > > Linux Mandrake release 7.2 (Odyssey) for i586 > KDE 2.1 > Linux 2.2.17-27mdkWin4Lin, Uptime 5 hours 19 minutes >
Re: [Cooker] ssh X11 forwarding broken
On Saturday 10 March 2001 22:42, Stefan van der Eijk wrote: > For the moment X11 forwarding through ssh doesn't work on the Mandrake > distro. I was trying to get this working on my boxen when I noticed the > following on http://www.openssh.com/faq.html#2.6 : > > > > NOTE: For users of Linux Mandrake 7.2, Mandrake modifies the XAUTHORITY > environment variable in /etc/skel/.bashrc, and thus any bash user's home > directory. This > variable is set by OpenSSH and for either of the above options to work, > you need to comment out the line: > > # export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority > > > It all boils down to /etc/profile.d/xhost.sh and xhost.csh. Is this > XAUTHORITY environment setting really needed here, since it will > overrule the XAUTHORITY environment setting made by ssh --> screws the > X11 forwarding over ssh... > > Stefan If "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" is commented, you won't be able to run Moorhuhn, for example, or any program like fwin (Win4Lin fullscreen), that uses another display, accessed by F8. -- Linux Mandrake release 7.2 (Odyssey) for i586 KDE 2.1 Linux 2.2.17-27mdkWin4Lin, Uptime 5 hours 55 minutes
Re: [Cooker] The famous SAP database is GPL-ed!!
Sounds like the security issue involves only those who wish to build SAP themselves and not those installing the binary. So perhaps a strong warning in the devtools package that the build computer should be either isolated from the network or protected by a very strong firewall. (In response to the original message: I didn't know PGSQL wasn't going to make replication freely available. I've told my boss that I was looking forward to PG7.1 so I could research dumping MSSQL/NT on our servers. We need replication for our current setup and we need ACID capabilities that MySQL doesn't provide. Say all you want about businesses can pay for this stuff. These guys pay for what they can see. R&D, especially for implementing Linux or BSD has been my spare time with no budget.) Michael Brown wrote: > OK - I'm getting there. They use their own make tool and build > environment, which has made it a bit more complicated than "normal" RPMS. > (The Pascal source code that didn't translate into correct assembler > didn't help either, but I've fixed that problem now). > The major problem at the moment is that the path "/usr/spool/sql" is > hardcoded into lots of the SAP source files and development tools. This > is not a problem once the system is installed, but it does cause a problem > while building; during the build process, it will expect to be able to > write to /usr/spool/sql (and will sulk if it can't). > I have come up with the following solution: > The sapdb-devtools package, which provides the several Perl scripts > required to build the sapdb package, creates an empty directory > /usr/spool/sql with owner root and permissions rwxrwxrwx. > The sapdb package has a buildRequires:sapdb-devtools, so when building the > sapdb package, /usr/spool/sql is publicly writable and the build process > is happy. > In the %install section, the files in /usr/spool/sql will be parsed for > sensible values and then copied to $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/spool/sql, which > will have owner sapdb and permissions rwxr-xr-x. > The sapdb package has a Conflicts:sapdb-devtools, which forces the > publicly writable /usr/spool/sql from sabdb-devtools to be removed before > the sapdb package is installed. > There is a mild security problem in that /usr/spool/sql remains publicly > writable while sapdb is being built. > Can anyone think of a more elegant solution to this problem? > Michael -- Digital Wokan, Tribal Mage of the Electronics Age Guerilla Linux Warrior
Re: [Cooker] Konsole - Backspace vs. Delete problem
On Saturday 10 March 2001 17:55, Andrej Borsenkow wrote: > The ESC sequences for setting the above do not work in Konsole (that is > advertising itself as xterm). Quoting > /etc/profile.d/configure_keyboard.sh (abridged): > >if [ "$BACKSPACE" = "BackSpace" ]; then > > if [ "$TERM" = "xterm" -o "$TERM" = "xterm-color" ]; then > echo -en '\033[36h' > fi > > # BackSpace sends Delete > else > > > # xterm > if [ "$TERM" = "xterm" -o "$TERM" = "xterm-color" ]; then > echo -en '\033[36l' > fi > fi > > Unfortunately, after sending the above backspace still sends backspace > and not delete. > > It is in KDE2.1. Bug in Konsole? > > -andrej I have 2.1 and backspace and delete work fine here (locale en-GB). -- Linux Mandrake release 7.2 (Odyssey) for i586 KDE 2.1 Linux 2.2.17-27mdkWin4Lin, Uptime 5 hours 43 minutes
Re: [Cooker] confused... lilo and grub
On Saturday 10 March 2001 14:06, Prana wrote: > Why is there 2 bootloaders? Lilo and Grub? One reason is that if your boot partition is on a SCSI disk controlled by an Adaptec AHA2940A, you can't use grub, due to a known Adaptec bug. -- Linux Mandrake release 7.2 (Odyssey) for i586 KDE 2.1 Linux 2.2.17-27mdkWin4Lin, Uptime 5 hours 19 minutes
Re: [Cooker] Advancing: Build 449 contains a 2.4 boot kernel
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: > (2) usr/share/VERSION in Mandrake/mdkinst tree Alas, the latest download from my planetmirror mirror is build 498! > There are automatic RPMS repository rebuild every 15 minutes, while the > install is rebuilt only when Pixel issues a "make upload" on the holy > leia (no trolling). It has long been a complaint of mine that Cooker uploads do not appear to be synchronised to useability. Presently uploads are running at about 1000 files a week, often with lots of new RPMs one day and the installer to match not appearing until the next day. That situation falls below useful to us beta testers. It wastes a great deal of our time.Cannot the RPMs be held so that each upload is guaranteed self-consistent between RPMs and installer, both representing a step forward in the pursuit of Mandrake 8.0? Here are just some of the non-existent RPMs called for by the yesterday's installer: libsound0-0.2.22-3mdk libwmgif4-4.1.0-12mdk libimlib1-1.9.9-1mdk openssl-0.9.6-5mdk aspell-de_CH-0.1.2-1mdk is called for by an english-only install from English-only RPMs. binutils-2.10.1.0.2-3mdk ImageMagick-lib-5.3.0-2mdk ImageMagick-5.3.0-2mdk libgtk+1.2-devel-1.2.9-5mdk rpmtools-2.3-10mdk portmap4.0-14mdk libmikmod-3.1.9-4mdk libgimp1.2.1-1.2.1-3mdk libesound0-devel-0.2.22-3mdk egcs-1.1.2-41mdk ... and so on. We should NEVER see any of this - these must be resolved before the upload. Isn't that just very simple and obvious? I'm waiting to see a build 449 upload with RPMs and installer mutually consistent. Please make sure that upload is announced. -- Regards, Ron. [au]
[Cooker] Back in with possible bugs. (Was: I'm out.)
I guess someone removed ImageMagick's need for liblcms.so.1. And there is still no initrd for 2.4.2-8mdk. Is it necessary? I reinstalled from scratch (since grub was having none of me getting in) and went back to LILO/Ext2 instead of GRUB/ReiserFS. Just brought up Terminal under KDE and the font is completely hosed. Tried selecting a Custom font, and only fixed was available. Konqueror came up with some bitstream font selected for EVERY font type (including cursive and fantasy). In fact, resizing the terminal just not froze it up. I realize this is probably more a KDE2.1/QT2.3 issue than strictly Mandrake, but hopefully MandrakeSoft knows who/how to pass this problem on. Digital Wokan wrote: > Until liblcms returns to .so vs .a and a revision gets made to > kernel-2.4.2-8mdk, I won't be able to bring Mdk8b1 back up for further > testing. Serves me right for not making a backup copy of the -7 kernel > I guess. > Until then, I'll keep an eye on my fmirror results. -- Digital Wokan, Tribal Mage of the Electronics Age Guerilla Linux Warrior
[Cooker] Look! Prettier Linux ASCII char logo to replace linux_logo RPM
Hiya, I was wondering if linux_logo-3.05-6mdk can be replaced with this program? Screenshot: http://www.littleigloo.org/images/welcome2l_screen1.gif http://www.littleigloo.org/images/welcome2l_screen2.gif http://www.littleigloo.org/software_003.php3 Sources: ftp://littleigloo.org/pub/welcome2l/Welcome2L-3.04.src.tar.gz ftp://littleigloo.org/pub/welcome2l/Welcome2L-3.04-1.i386.rpm -- Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.cyest.org GnuPG Key ID: 0x33343FD3 (2000-07-21) Key fingerprint = F1FB 1F76 8866 0F40 A801 D9DA 6BED 6641 3334 3FD3 http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x33343FD3
Re: [Cooker] Please, or, please, add libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 back to cooker!
On Saturday 10 March 2001 09:58, you wrote: > Most of stuff that needs old ibstdc++ from 7.2 here (and this is quite a > number of packages) does not run. I've tried symlinking to new libstdc++ > but it results in segfault. I cannot update everything, sorry. > > -andrej Agreed..!! sk
[Cooker] xinitd and VNC
Hello All, Could someone please tell me about this xinitd and how to set up a service in it. I need to make some services for my Xvnc so that it will run. I use to just set things up in the inetd.conf but that does not seem t owork in 8.0. Cheers, Lonnie __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] The famous SAP database is GPL-ed!!
On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Michael Brown wrote: > On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Prana wrote: > > SAP is a very well known RDBMS for large scale database (not for > > lightweight MySQL stuff), and now it's GPL-ed!! I hope Mandrake 8.1 (not > > 8.0) will include this http://freshmeat.net/projects/sapdb/, at least in > > the contrib :-) > It's not completely released yet (they are releasing the source code in > stages, presumably because they're tidying it up before public release), > but everything should be out by sometime in April. > I volunteer to package it up for Mandrake - I've been waiting for SAP to > go GPL ever since I discovered that the PostgreSQL team decided not to > make their replication server properly "free". OK - I'm getting there. They use their own make tool and build environment, which has made it a bit more complicated than "normal" RPMS. (The Pascal source code that didn't translate into correct assembler didn't help either, but I've fixed that problem now). The major problem at the moment is that the path "/usr/spool/sql" is hardcoded into lots of the SAP source files and development tools. This is not a problem once the system is installed, but it does cause a problem while building; during the build process, it will expect to be able to write to /usr/spool/sql (and will sulk if it can't). I have come up with the following solution: The sapdb-devtools package, which provides the several Perl scripts required to build the sapdb package, creates an empty directory /usr/spool/sql with owner root and permissions rwxrwxrwx. The sapdb package has a buildRequires:sapdb-devtools, so when building the sapdb package, /usr/spool/sql is publicly writable and the build process is happy. In the %install section, the files in /usr/spool/sql will be parsed for sensible values and then copied to $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/spool/sql, which will have owner sapdb and permissions rwxr-xr-x. The sapdb package has a Conflicts:sapdb-devtools, which forces the publicly writable /usr/spool/sql from sabdb-devtools to be removed before the sapdb package is installed. There is a mild security problem in that /usr/spool/sql remains publicly writable while sapdb is being built. Can anyone think of a more elegant solution to this problem? Michael
[Cooker] kicq and kaim in cooker
Is anyone planning to port kaim and kicq in cooker. I have been trying to keep them up by cvs and compiling them but in kicq I now get strange errors doing make. here is the last compile command with errors can any one help? /bin/sh ../../libtool --mode=compile g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/lib/qt2/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I../../kicq -I../../kicq/chat -I../../kicq/contactlist -I../../kicq/dialogs -I../../kicq/filetransfer -I../../kicq/history -I../../kicq/info -I../../kicq/messageurl -I../../kicq/mydetails -I../../kicq/preferences -I../../kicq/registration -I../../kicq/search -I../../kicq/utils -I../../kicq/main -I../../kicq/icqlib -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -O2 -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -Wall -pedantic -W -Wpointer-arith -Wmissing-prototypes -Wwrite-strings -Wno-long-long -fno-builtin -c mainconfig.cpp g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/lib/qt2/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I../../kicq -I../../kicq/chat -I../../kicq/contactlist -I../../kicq/dialogs -I../../kicq/filetransfer -I../../kicq/history -I../../kicq/info -I../../kicq/messageurl -I../../kicq/mydetails -I../../kicq/preferences -I../../kicq/registration -I../../kicq/search -I../../kicq/utils -I../../kicq/main -I../../kicq/icqlib -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -O2 -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -Wall -pedantic -W -Wpointer-arith -Wmissing-prototypes -Wwrite-strings -Wno-long-long -fno-builtin -Wp,-MD,.deps/mainconfig.pp -c mainconfig.cpp -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/mainconfig.o In file included from /usr/lib/qt2/include/qwindowdefs.h:48, from /usr/lib/qt2/include/qobject.h:43, from /usr/include/kconfigbase.h:27, from /usr/include/kconfig.h:29, from /usr/include/ksimpleconfig.h:25, from mainconfig.cpp:88: /usr/include/limits.h:124:3: warning: #include_next is a GCC extension mainconfig.cpp: In method `icqStatus MainWindow::loadConfig ()': mainconfig.cpp:157: `icq_Russian' undeclared (first use this function) mainconfig.cpp:157: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) mainconfig.cpp: In method `QString MainWindow::encryptStr (QString)': mainconfig.cpp:401: warning: unused variable `unsigned int val' make[3]: *** [mainconfig.lo] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/salane/kicq/kicq/main' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/salane/kicq/kicq' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/salane/kicq' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 -- Message sent from Linux-Mandrake 8.0 (Cooker) Salane icq# 324306
Re: [Cooker] ssh X11 forwarding broken
> > For the moment X11 forwarding through ssh doesn't work on the Mandrake > distro. I was trying to get this working on my boxen when I noticed the > following on http://www.openssh.com/faq.html#2.6 : > > > > NOTE: For users of Linux Mandrake 7.2, Mandrake modifies the XAUTHORITY > environment variable in /etc/skel/.bashrc, and thus any bash user's home > directory. This > variable is set by OpenSSH and for either of the above options to work, > you need to comment out the line: > > # export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority > > > It all boils down to /etc/profile.d/xhost.sh and xhost.csh. Is this > XAUTHORITY environment setting really needed here, since it will > overrule the XAUTHORITY environment setting made by ssh --> screws the > X11 forwarding over ssh... > > Stefan > > I think this is the right way. Although it's maybe not what's expected. SSH is used more and more. Not only just as a fancy telnet but also for things like CVS access. In that case you don't need X forwarding and it would just open a security hole. But i understand why one wants to have X forwarding with ssh because it is just handy. So i suggest to have sshx what is the ssh with X forwarding enabled.
RE: [Cooker] confused... lilo and grub
But without looking through a list of 1200+ packages, there's no way to do this. The recommended install selects dozens of packages of little interest to 98% of users. For instance, I don't have a Palm Pilot, yet there are probably 6 applications for working with one installed by default. If I had one, I would be happy to find "pilot" in the RPM list and install what I wanted. The same with emulators, and I'd guess at least 50% of the development RPMS. I personally don't care what are on the CD's, but IMHO the default installation should be trim, with minimal duplication and needless filler. If something I personally perfer isn't there, I'll certainly know the name if it, and I'll be able to install it. rpmsrate needs an overhaul, by somebody with a discriminating eye and a heart of coal. -Original Message- From: Tim McKenzie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/10/01 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] confused... lilo and grub The idea is that everyone can pick and choose which things you want. Simply don't install anything that you didn't want... Easy solution to that problem -Tim - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] confused... lilo and grub > Hi guys, > I hope you don't misunderstand, but people are getting quite confused > because the packages are too bloated. I'm not complaining, this is just a > compilation of suggestions. For example: there are 6 e-mail clients in 7.2: nmh, > exmh, pine, mutt, balsa, etc and I personally believe that it's just too much. > Then there are 3 news clients (excluding gnome & kde's): tin, xrn, slrn, etc. > Having 2 choices are good enough. Then there are 10 or more editors that have > the same function: GXEdit, gedit, nedit, yudit, latte etc... why :-( Then > there are several IDEs, but the only **usable** one, IMHO, is only XWPE - both > for X-Window and console. There are packages like xmame, xmess, Basilski > (those are emulators that almost only 2% of the populations that use them and the > extracted RPM size is large!). Then there are 3 dhcp client : dhcp-client, > dhcpxd, dhcpcd. Which one is the most usable and the one that has more > features? I know Chmouel have explained that some of them don't work, so... can we > choose only 1 instead? Do people really need Dosemu and XDosEmu still? I don't > know... I don't think so. Then there are weird developmental languages like > ghc, happy, hugs98, mercury, whatever and most programmers only use: > C++/C/Objective C, Perl, LISP, Fortran (for compatibility with old unix apps) and > some in Pascal. That's the large percentage of language used, but stuff like > ruby and whatsoever :=( Then the quality of packages like > /usr/X11R6/bin/ico <- what kind of a joke program is it? I know they're from X11R6-contrib... > but still it's really useless.. > > I'll send a diff to Pixel for rpmrate tonight.. there are some missing stuff > (not rated) there too.. > > The more RPM packages that we have, the more: > 1) User will think that Mandrake is bloated, just like this guy said here: > http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-03-09-016-04-SC-MD- > > 2) The more security vulnerability. This will damage our reputation. Just > eliminate Zope ( > 5 security vulnerability in the last 3 months!) , throw it > away. We really don't need a very low performance Zope. Zope is very slow > compared to PHP, and it's quite resource hog. > > 3) The less the packages the better we can concentrate & focus on > optimizations, speed, and security. > > Trim down stuff that are not going to be used by people, such as xrn, slrn, > etc. Or :-( > > I don't know, this problem is just getting to complex and it seems it can't > be denied that unless developers decide to really trim it down, it's gonna be > a super bloatware. > > Am I making sense here? > > Prana > > > On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Alexander Skwar wrote: > > > > > So sprach Prana am Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 09:06:57AM -0500: > > > > Why is there 2 bootloaders? Lilo and Grub? > > > > > > Because some people like to use lilo, as hard as this is imaginable. > > And > > > the rest sticks with grub. > > > > > > > Why is it hard to imagine? After searching for half an hour and having > > found NO usable grub documentation, I decided I can just as well forget > > it. > > > > -andrej > > > > > > -- > Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://www.cyest.org > My GnuPG Key ID: 0x33343FD3 (2000-07-21) > Key fingerprint = F1FB 1F76 8866 0F40 A801 D9DA 6BED 6641 3334 3FD3 > http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x33343FD3 > > Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net >
Re: [Cooker] how to setup
- Original Message - From: "Roger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] how to setup > e70 wrote: > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "e70" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [Cooker] Nautilus needs to be rebuilt > > > > > can boot linux whit my packard bell some can help me?? > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Alexander Skwar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Cooker] Nautilus needs to be rebuilt > > > > > > > > > > So sprach Alexander 'Digital Projects' Skwar am Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at > > > 10:35:24AM +0100: > > > > > What can cause such error messages? > > > > > > > > Whatever it was, it's gone now. I've deleted most parts of ~/.gnome and > > > > other not so important (read: irritating) config file leftovers, and now > > > > it's running good. > > > > I'm running my nautilus version that I've just announced here and it is > > > > *WAY* faster than the 0.8.2 that ships with Mandrake. It really has a > > > > tremendous performance boost. > > > > > > > > Alexander Skwar > > > > -- > > > > How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to > > (english) > > > > Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de > > > >iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen > > > > Uptime: 5 days 22 hours 48 minutes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is a perfect cause/effect of having a slow server! lmao!! > > they don't see their post within an hour or so, so they post again! > > -- > - > My pulic key (in armor format) & Homepage can be found at: > http://www.alltel.net/rogerx/index.html > > My ICQ UIN# = 21252173 > > (Please reply only in ascii/text format! Remove "-nospam" in email > address as needed) > > I'm pretty sure he just didn't know what he was doing, and posted to every message that came through.
Re: [Cooker] mandrake 8 install any words of wisdom??
Robert L Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Since i now have access to a broadband connect and a burner i am getting > a copy of mandrake 8 tomorrow. Do AnyDrakes have comments on how stable > this is > p75 cpu S3 video ide drives. BTW Pixel i define Showstoppers as things i > wouldn't have children , bosses, $$ or Windows users see. Any reason i Then, I doubt any beta versions could fit your needs. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://us.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] Advancing: Build 449 contains a 2.4 boot kernel
Ron Stodden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: > > > > After much pain, it seems to be fixed, and new build 449 contains a 2.4 > > kernel with this fix. > > Where do we find this build number? (1) top of console #2 after drakx is started -or- (2) usr/share/VERSION in Mandrake/mdkinst tree > My latest downloaded Cooker VERSION is: > > Linux-Mandrake Cooker-i586 20010308 19:02 This indicates the RPMS repository build. There are automatic RPMS repository rebuild every 15 minutes, while the install is rebuilt only when Pixel issues a "make upload" on the holy leia (no trolling). -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://us.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] how to setup
e70 wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "e70" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Cooker] Nautilus needs to be rebuilt > > > can boot linux whit my packard bell some can help me?? > > - Original Message - > > From: "Alexander Skwar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [Cooker] Nautilus needs to be rebuilt > > > > > > > So sprach Alexander 'Digital Projects' Skwar am Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at > > 10:35:24AM +0100: > > > > What can cause such error messages? > > > > > > Whatever it was, it's gone now. I've deleted most parts of ~/.gnome and > > > other not so important (read: irritating) config file leftovers, and now > > > it's running good. > > > I'm running my nautilus version that I've just announced here and it is > > > *WAY* faster than the 0.8.2 that ships with Mandrake. It really has a > > > tremendous performance boost. > > > > > > Alexander Skwar > > > -- > > > How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to > (english) > > > Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de > > >iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen > > > Uptime: 5 days 22 hours 48 minutes > > > > > > > > > this is a perfect cause/effect of having a slow server! lmao!! they don't see their post within an hour or so, so they post again! -- - My pulic key (in armor format) & Homepage can be found at: http://www.alltel.net/rogerx/index.html My ICQ UIN# = 21252173 (Please reply only in ascii/text format! Remove "-nospam" in email address as needed)
[Cooker] ssh X11 forwarding broken
For the moment X11 forwarding through ssh doesn't work on the Mandrake distro. I was trying to get this working on my boxen when I noticed the following on http://www.openssh.com/faq.html#2.6 : NOTE: For users of Linux Mandrake 7.2, Mandrake modifies the XAUTHORITY environment variable in /etc/skel/.bashrc, and thus any bash user's home directory. This variable is set by OpenSSH and for either of the above options to work, you need to comment out the line: # export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority It all boils down to /etc/profile.d/xhost.sh and xhost.csh. Is this XAUTHORITY environment setting really needed here, since it will overrule the XAUTHORITY environment setting made by ssh --> screws the X11 forwarding over ssh... Stefan
Re: [Cooker] SRPMS
Alexander Skwar wrote: > > So sprach Roger am Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 04:06:59PM -0500: > > Does somebody have a script that will compile all the SRPMS's for the > > cooker? > > > > > > Right now, doing: > > > > rpm -iv *src.rpm > > /usr/src/RPM*/SPEC/rpm -bb --clean *.spec > > I don't think this will work. To really get a working system, you often > have to install stuff, and sometimes you can't install all (eg. you cannot > install both libxml-devel and libxml2-devel). Further, sometimes you have > to compile and install things in the right order (eg. glibc needs to be > installed before anything else). > > Alexander Skwar > -- > How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) > Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de >iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen > Uptime: 5 days 6 hours 41 minutes true...gcc apperantly needs to be installed first...etc. curious if a person could simply rm -f * *i586.rpm from the /Mandrake/RPM directory and then just "cp" their custom built *686.rpm's (or higher arch) to that dir. or does the mandrake install scripts call and look for the specific naming of the "*586.rpm"'s. if so, one could simply install from a hdd or build their own iso to burn to cdrom...or network install from there on out. -- - My pulic key (in armor format) & Homepage can be found at: http://www.alltel.net/rogerx/index.html My ICQ UIN# = 21252173 (Please reply only in ascii/text format! Remove "-nospam" in email address as needed)
[Cooker] ´ð¸´: [Cooker] No imlib-devel available???
Got it. Called libimlib1-* Sorry, could some one can tell me where can I get it, the 8.0 beta 1 shiped with imlib 1.9.9, But I can only find 1.9.8 from the web
Re: [Cooker] Fonts under latest 8.0 packages
On Saturday 10 March 2001 14:17, you wrote: > Of course the one time I didn't really pay attention to what was updating > on my machine I did an rpm -Fvh *.rpm after freshening the mirror and it > seems fonts under QT are totally screwy now. If I try to set a font under > konsole I can only select fixed from the default character set. Licq went > to using a default font, all the fonts under kde changed although I was > able to reselect most of them. > > konqueror with the default font is less than useable/readable no matter > what size, as delete characters causes pieces of them to be left behind. Sorry - Typo - konqueror = konsole But under konqueror the magnifying glass button to enlarge font's now does nothing. -- Jason Straight
Re: [Cooker] confused... lilo and grub
The idea is that everyone can pick and choose which things you want. Simply don't install anything that you didn't want... Easy solution to that problem -Tim - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] confused... lilo and grub > Hi guys, > I hope you don't misunderstand, but people are getting quite confused > because the packages are too bloated. I'm not complaining, this is just a > compilation of suggestions. For example: there are 6 e-mail clients in 7.2: nmh, > exmh, pine, mutt, balsa, etc and I personally believe that it's just too much. > Then there are 3 news clients (excluding gnome & kde's): tin, xrn, slrn, etc. > Having 2 choices are good enough. Then there are 10 or more editors that have > the same function: GXEdit, gedit, nedit, yudit, latte etc... why :-( Then > there are several IDEs, but the only **usable** one, IMHO, is only XWPE - both > for X-Window and console. There are packages like xmame, xmess, Basilski > (those are emulators that almost only 2% of the populations that use them and the > extracted RPM size is large!). Then there are 3 dhcp client : dhcp-client, > dhcpxd, dhcpcd. Which one is the most usable and the one that has more > features? I know Chmouel have explained that some of them don't work, so... can we > choose only 1 instead? Do people really need Dosemu and XDosEmu still? I don't > know... I don't think so. Then there are weird developmental languages like > ghc, happy, hugs98, mercury, whatever and most programmers only use: > C++/C/Objective C, Perl, LISP, Fortran (for compatibility with old unix apps) and > some in Pascal. That's the large percentage of language used, but stuff like > ruby and whatsoever :=( Then the quality of packages like > /usr/X11R6/bin/ico <- what kind of a joke program is it? I know they're from X11R6-contrib... > but still it's really useless.. > > I'll send a diff to Pixel for rpmrate tonight.. there are some missing stuff > (not rated) there too.. > > The more RPM packages that we have, the more: > 1) User will think that Mandrake is bloated, just like this guy said here: > http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-03-09-016-04-SC-MD- > > 2) The more security vulnerability. This will damage our reputation. Just > eliminate Zope ( > 5 security vulnerability in the last 3 months!) , throw it > away. We really don't need a very low performance Zope. Zope is very slow > compared to PHP, and it's quite resource hog. > > 3) The less the packages the better we can concentrate & focus on > optimizations, speed, and security. > > Trim down stuff that are not going to be used by people, such as xrn, slrn, > etc. Or :-( > > I don't know, this problem is just getting to complex and it seems it can't > be denied that unless developers decide to really trim it down, it's gonna be > a super bloatware. > > Am I making sense here? > > Prana > > > On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Alexander Skwar wrote: > > > > > So sprach Prana am Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 09:06:57AM -0500: > > > > Why is there 2 bootloaders? Lilo and Grub? > > > > > > Because some people like to use lilo, as hard as this is imaginable. > > And > > > the rest sticks with grub. > > > > > > > Why is it hard to imagine? After searching for half an hour and having > > found NO usable grub documentation, I decided I can just as well forget > > it. > > > > -andrej > > > > > > -- > Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://www.cyest.org > My GnuPG Key ID: 0x33343FD3 (2000-07-21) > Key fingerprint = F1FB 1F76 8866 0F40 A801 D9DA 6BED 6641 3334 3FD3 > http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x33343FD3 > > Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net >
[Cooker] rpmdrake-1.3-15mdk bug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 it looks like when rpmdrake invokes rpminst the exit code is evaluated backwards while updating the list. When a package install fails, the package is removed from the list completely, and when it succeeds it stays on the list with the old version. Also, in order to make rpmdrake work right I had to remove rpmdrake and urpmi completely and reinstall the new packages, for some reason rpm -Uvh didn't work right. - -dwild -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqqidIACgkQmFSlcxy4R49+HgCfW1N6J7YYqQRXS4B1gF7AAdUW KTcAniB/Yc5Y4kfWptpEZoRJh43kcD5K =P0VA -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[Cooker] [RPM] bridge-utils-0.9.2-1mdk
Hello! I've uploaded this file to ftp.linux-mandrake.com/incoming/. --- Name: bridge-utils Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 0.9.2 Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 1mdk Build Date: sab 10 mar 2001 21:04:12 CET Install date: (not installed) Build Host: mercury.helium.net Group : Networking/Other Source RPM: (none) Size: 29717License: GPL Packager: Christian Zoffoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> URL : http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~buytenh/bridge Summary : Utilities for configuring the linux ethernet bridge. Description : This package contains utilities for configuring the linux ethernet bridge. The linux ethernet bridge can be used for connecting multiple ethernet devices together. The connecting is fully transparent: hosts connected to one ethernet device see hosts connected to the other ethernet devices directly. Install bridge-utils if you want to use the linux ethernet bridge. --- sab mar 10 2001 Christian Zoffoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 0.9.2-1mdk - 0.9.2 -- Also available on ftp://genetix.sourceforge.net/pub/genetix/contribs/SRPMS
[Cooker] No imlib-devel available???
Sorry, could some one can tell me where can I get it, the 8.0 beta 1 shiped with imlib 1.9.9, But I can only find 1.9.8 from the web
[Cooker] Fonts under latest 8.0 packages
Of course the one time I didn't really pay attention to what was updating on my machine I did an rpm -Fvh *.rpm after freshening the mirror and it seems fonts under QT are totally screwy now. If I try to set a font under konsole I can only select fixed from the default character set. Licq went to using a default font, all the fonts under kde changed although I was able to reselect most of them. konqueror with the default font is less than useable/readable no matter what size, as delete characters causes pieces of them to be left behind. -- Jason Straight
[Cooker] kernel-2.4.2-9mdk won't build
kernel-2.4.2-9mdk modutils-2.4.3-2mdk db3-devel-3.1.14-2mdk glibc-2.1.3-18.3mdk glibc-devel-2.1.3-18.3mdk Looks like the db185 defined in the latest db3-devel isn't working for me. Do I need something else? Thanks. make[4]: Entering directory `/home/drfickle/src/RPM/BUILD/linux/drivers/scsi/ai7xxx/aicasm' yacc -d aicasm_gram.y mv -f y.tab.c aicasm_gram.c lex -t aicasm_scan.l > aicasm_scan.c gcc -I/usr/include -ldb aicasm_gram.c aicasm_scan.c aicasm.c aicasm_symbol.c -oaicasm /tmp/ccr4XrOU.o: In function `symtable_open': /tmp/ccr4XrOU.o(.text+0x1e3): undefined reference to `__db185_open' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[4]: *** [aicasm] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/drfickle/src/RPM/BUILD/linux/drivers/scsi/aicxxx/aicasm' make[3]: *** [aicasm/aicasm] Error 2 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/drfickle/src/RPM/BUILD/linux/drivers/scsi/aicxxx' make[2]: *** [_modsubdir_aic7xxx] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/drfickle/src/RPM/BUILD/linux/drivers/scsi' make[1]: *** [_modsubdir_scsi] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/drfickle/src/RPM/BUILD/linux/drivers' make: *** [_mod_drivers] Error 2 Bad exit status from /home/drfickle/src/RPM/tmp/rpm-tmp.27 (%build) -- Steve Fox http://k-lug.com
[Cooker] Every Aurora update removes link in /etc/aurora
Folks, I do not beieve it is really as hard ... bor@localhost% sudo rpm -Fvh Aurora* ×ÎÉÍÁÎÉÅ: /etc/aurora/Monitor ÓÏÚÄÁÎ ËÁË /etc/aurora/Monitor.rpmnew Aurora ## Aurora-Monitor-NewStyle-WsLib## Aurora-Monitor-Traditional-Gtk+## Aurora-Monitor-Traditional-WsLib## bor@localhost% ll /etc/aurora ÉÔÏÇÏ 4 -rw-r--r--1 root root0 íÁÒ 10 22:05 Monitor -rw-r--r--1 root root0 íÁÒ 9 15:46 Monitor.rpmnew -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 747 íÁÒ 9 15:46 rc* I.e. every update renders aurora unusable. bor@localhost% rpm -q -a | grep Aurora Aurora-Monitor-Traditional-Gtk+-8.2-1mdk Aurora-Monitor-Traditional-WsLib-8.2-1mdk Aurora-Monitor-NewStyle-WsLib-8.2-1mdk Aurora-8.2-1mdk -andrej
Re: [Cooker] confused... lilo and grub
Hi guys, I hope you don't misunderstand, but people are getting quite confused because the packages are too bloated. I'm not complaining, this is just a compilation of suggestions. For example: there are 6 e-mail clients in 7.2: nmh, exmh, pine, mutt, balsa, etc and I personally believe that it's just too much. Then there are 3 news clients (excluding gnome & kde's): tin, xrn, slrn, etc. Having 2 choices are good enough. Then there are 10 or more editors that have the same function: GXEdit, gedit, nedit, yudit, latte etc... why :-( Then there are several IDEs, but the only **usable** one, IMHO, is only XWPE - both for X-Window and console. There are packages like xmame, xmess, Basilski (those are emulators that almost only 2% of the populations that use them and the extracted RPM size is large!). Then there are 3 dhcp client : dhcp-client, dhcpxd, dhcpcd. Which one is the most usable and the one that has more features? I know Chmouel have explained that some of them don't work, so... can we choose only 1 instead? Do people really need Dosemu and XDosEmu still? I don't know... I don't think so. Then there are weird developmental languages like ghc, happy, hugs98, mercury, whatever and most programmers only use: C++/C/Objective C, Perl, LISP, Fortran (for compatibility with old unix apps) and some in Pascal. That's the large percentage of language used, but stuff like ruby and whatsoever :=( Then the quality of packages like /usr/X11R6/bin/ico <- what kind of a joke program is it? I know they're from X11R6-contrib... but still it's really useless.. I'll send a diff to Pixel for rpmrate tonight.. there are some missing stuff (not rated) there too.. The more RPM packages that we have, the more: 1) User will think that Mandrake is bloated, just like this guy said here: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-03-09-016-04-SC-MD- 2) The more security vulnerability. This will damage our reputation. Just eliminate Zope ( > 5 security vulnerability in the last 3 months!) , throw it away. We really don't need a very low performance Zope. Zope is very slow compared to PHP, and it's quite resource hog. 3) The less the packages the better we can concentrate & focus on optimizations, speed, and security. Trim down stuff that are not going to be used by people, such as xrn, slrn, etc. Or :-( I don't know, this problem is just getting to complex and it seems it can't be denied that unless developers decide to really trim it down, it's gonna be a super bloatware. Am I making sense here? Prana > On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Alexander Skwar wrote: > > > So sprach Prana am Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 09:06:57AM -0500: > > > Why is there 2 bootloaders? Lilo and Grub? > > > > Because some people like to use lilo, as hard as this is imaginable. > And > > the rest sticks with grub. > > > > Why is it hard to imagine? After searching for half an hour and having > found NO usable grub documentation, I decided I can just as well forget > it. > > -andrej > > -- Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.cyest.org My GnuPG Key ID: 0x33343FD3 (2000-07-21) Key fingerprint = F1FB 1F76 8866 0F40 A801 D9DA 6BED 6641 3334 3FD3 http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x33343FD3 Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net
Re: [Cooker] Init for vi.
vi () { if [ -z $DISPLAY ] ; then vim $* ; else gvim $* ; fi ; }
or
if [ $TERM = xterm ] ; then alias vi=vim ; else alias vi=gvim ; fi
or permutations thereof.
Of course, you don't need that for gvim, because it will automatically
check if $DISPLAY is set.
Arnd <><
On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, James, Rick wrote:
> Hello Cookers,
>
> Please forgive me if this is a newbie question but I know I'll get
> the right answer here. I want to add a few lines to .bashrc that go
> something like this:
>
> if [ current display=X11 ]; then
> alias vi='gvim'
> fi
>
> What's the correct syntax for inside the brackets?
>
> Cheers,
> Rick
>
>
> "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
>-- My Daddy
>
>
Re: [Cooker] Init for vi.
On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, James, Rick wrote: > Hello Cookers, > > Please forgive me if this is a newbie question but I know I'll get > the right answer here. I want to add a few lines to .bashrc that go > something like this: > > if [ current display=X11 ]; then > alias vi='gvim' > fi > > What's the correct syntax for inside the brackets? > if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then alias vi='gvim ' alias view='gvim -R ' fi I'd really prefer that vim == gvim as it mostly gets it right automatically. BTW any chance to get gvim with OpenMotif/LessTIF? -andrej
Re: [Cooker] confused... lilo and grub
On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Ed Wilts wrote: > On Saturday 10 March 2001 12:03, Andrej Borsenkow wrote: > > > Why is it hard to imagine? After searching for half an hour and having > > found NO usable grub documentation, I decided I can just as well forget > > it. > > Sometimes I wonder how hard people try to find documentation. Go to > http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ > No, I have not tried hard. I admit. > Start with man grub. Gee, it tells you to do an info grub. Do that and > you've got your documentation. Knowing that it's GNU software (and man and > info tell you that), going to the GNU home page gets you info really quickly > too. > > What documentation would you looking for that you couldn't find? > > I know about info grub. This happily informed me that I have to learn new way to enumerate my partitions at the very least ... I admit again, I could learn it - but my question was, why? if lilo does everything I need currently. Sorry, do not take it as flame war. Grub may be as good or even better, but I never needed to even do man lilo - because /etc/lilo.conf was there. So, I'm really interested if grub has any advantages over lilo. -andrej
Re: [Cooker] confused... lilo and grub
On Saturday 10 March 2001 12:03, Andrej Borsenkow wrote: > Why is it hard to imagine? After searching for half an hour and having > found NO usable grub documentation, I decided I can just as well forget > it. Sometimes I wonder how hard people try to find documentation. Go to http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ Start with man grub. Gee, it tells you to do an info grub. Do that and you've got your documentation. Knowing that it's GNU software (and man and info tell you that), going to the GNU home page gets you info really quickly too. What documentation would you looking for that you couldn't find? -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Please, or, please, add libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 back to cooker!
I agree my kisdn program will no longer work with out it, so for right now due to the problems with draknet I only have a modem connection, I cant get the scripts writen to allow ISDN connection with CHAP auth. Dave On Saturday 10 March 2001 10:58, you wrote: > Most of stuff that needs old ibstdc++ from 7.2 here (and this is quite a > number of packages) does not run. I've tried symlinking to new libstdc++ > but it results in segfault. I cannot update everything, sorry. > > -andrej
Re: [Cooker] confused... lilo and grub
On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Alexander Skwar wrote: > So sprach Prana am Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 09:06:57AM -0500: > > Why is there 2 bootloaders? Lilo and Grub? > > Because some people like to use lilo, as hard as this is imaginable. And > the rest sticks with grub. > Why is it hard to imagine? After searching for half an hour and having found NO usable grub documentation, I decided I can just as well forget it. -andrej
[Cooker] Konsole - Backspace vs. Delete problem
The ESC sequences for setting the above do not work in Konsole (that is advertising itself as xterm). Quoting /etc/profile.d/configure_keyboard.sh (abridged): if [ "$BACKSPACE" = "BackSpace" ]; then if [ "$TERM" = "xterm" -o "$TERM" = "xterm-color" ]; then echo -en '\033[36h' fi # BackSpace sends Delete else # xterm if [ "$TERM" = "xterm" -o "$TERM" = "xterm-color" ]; then echo -en '\033[36l' fi fi Unfortunately, after sending the above backspace still sends backspace and not delete. It is in KDE2.1. Bug in Konsole? -andrej
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.2 + 8.0 bloated and resource hog!
On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Pete wrote: > > Here is my point: > This is the kind of mentality I am presented with most often. Oh, I know > operating systems, so I can do an expert install. What? There are > thousands of packages? Oh, well I have the hd space so I guess I will > install everything, and figure out what I need later.(Yeah, that will > happen!) Or, I don't have the hd space, but don't want to weed through > thousands of packages, so I will let the installer only install 50% of > them. It knows what I need. :) I couldn't possibly do a standard > install, because when I do a standard install with a different operating > system it installs a bunch of stuff I don't want. Therefore I must do > either a custom or expert install. (And unknowingly install a bunch of > stuff I don't need or want) Simple solution: s/Expert/Linux Expert/ Michael
[Cooker] Init for vi.
Hello Cookers, Please forgive me if this is a newbie question but I know I'll get the right answer here. I want to add a few lines to .bashrc that go something like this: if [ current display=X11 ]; then alias vi='gvim' fi What's the correct syntax for inside the brackets? Cheers, Rick "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" -- My Daddy
Re: [Cooker] confused... lilo and grub
I like Lilo, why would anybody like Grub? Is there a significant advantage over it? Prana > So sprach Prana am Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 09:06:57AM -0500: > > Why is there 2 bootloaders? Lilo and Grub? > > Because some people like to use lilo, as hard as this is imaginable. And > the rest sticks with grub. > > Alexander Skwar > -- > How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) > Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de >iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen > Uptime: 6 days 0 hours 47 minutes > -- Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.cyest.org My GnuPG Key ID: 0x33343FD3 (2000-07-21) Key fingerprint = F1FB 1F76 8866 0F40 A801 D9DA 6BED 6641 3334 3FD3 http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x33343FD3 Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net
[Cooker] 8.0beta1 Problem - Keyboard and Mouse Frozen
I'm having probelems with 8.0beta1. I first installed with 3D Acceleration for XFree-4. After a graphical boot it hung with no mouse or keyboard response on the login screen. I could not kill the X server or switch to a virtual terminal. Using failsafe boot option I had no problems booting into a console, but as sson as I startx I get a similar problem: KDE loads fine and the clock on kasbar keeps ticking, but I cannot move the mouse cursor and the keyboard is unresponsive (I cannot even turn the caps lock light on). So today I tried another installation without using 3D acceleration, but this made absolutely no difference. I chose text boot mode, but after the graphical boot screen (aurora?) it gets to the console and I get no response from the keyboard again. I'm afraid I can't test the failsafe boot option as I seem to have mangled my root partition through using reset too much (as I had no other choice to reboot it). Interestingly I did'nt have these problems with the most recent cooker snapshot isos. I am running a celeron on a BX motherboard. ATI All-in-Wonder 128 16mb AGP (Rage 128). PS/2 keyboard and mouse. if that helps. Any ideas? Laurence
Re: [Cooker] confused... lilo and grub
So sprach Prana am Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 09:06:57AM -0500: > Why is there 2 bootloaders? Lilo and Grub? Because some people like to use lilo, as hard as this is imaginable. And the rest sticks with grub. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 6 days 0 hours 47 minutes
Re: [Cooker]
can boot linux whit my packard bell some can help me?? --- im going to use my psycotic powers to see your problem 1 You have in theory installed some version of Linux Mandrake but can not boot same 2 You have a boot disk but don't know how to use it or your POS packard bell doesn't boot from floppy Try this reinstall from your cd and make sure you make a boot floppy Also figure out how to boot your PB from floppy Please repost with more details ON A NEWBIE LIST (anybody remember where the Mandrake one is hiding??) Give COMPLETE HARDWARE DETAILS (make and model of PB would help some) COMPLETE WINDOWS DETAILS (which one? 3.1 3.1 fwg 3.11 3.11 fwg win 95 win95 osr2 win95 osr2.1 win98 win98se win ME or.) COMPLETE MANDRAKE DETAILS (VERSION file from cd #1 string that looks like Linux-Mandrake Download Edition Odyssey-i586 20001027 15:47) Robert L Martin
[Cooker] confused... lilo and grub
Why is there 2 bootloaders? Lilo and Grub? -- Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.cyest.org GnuPG Key ID: 0x33343FD3 (2000-07-21) Key fingerprint = F1FB 1F76 8866 0F40 A801 D9DA 6BED 6641 3334 3FD3 http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x33343FD3
RE: [Cooker] Cooker PCMCIA install with Mandrake 7.2 PCMCIA image ?
El Jue 08 Mar 2001 13:54, escribiste: > Fernando Monera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I tried the pcmcia install (network/http) from yesterday's cooker > > > (06-March-2001) and everything went ok (well, I had to modify a file on > > > Mandrake/base to tell that there were not two CD's). > > > After the installation of the packages, when it's time to configure the > > > network card, mdk proposes to keep the current net configuration. This is > > > ok too. > > > Now the problem: When I reboot, the network doesn't work. Everything is > > > ok apparently: > > > - Pcmcia card detected > > > - It executes the network start script once you insert the card > > > - It has the routes ok > > > - The output of "ifconfig eth0" seems ok > > > When I try to ping to other machine on the same network, it says "network > > > unreachable". The same happens with 8.0b1. > > > > Can you print the contents of "/sbin/ifconfig" please? > > > > Also, output of "/sbin/route"? (maybe your default route is not set!) > Opps!! I have reinstalled 7.2 to have pcmcia working again. This night I am > going to try again and post the results. But I already checked many times the > network configuration. > I'm almost sure It must be something with the kernel. Anyone has the "tulip" > driver for a Xircom pcmcia card working ok with current cooker? My qualifications to help aren't the best but I did print the default kernel settings. Hope this is helpful. # # PCMCIA/CardBus support # # CONFIG_PCMCIA is not set
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.2 + 8.0 bloated and resource hog!
On Thursday 08 March 2001 18:52, you wrote: > On Thursday 08 March 2001 05:26, you wrote: > > Actually, I think its KDE thats bloated and resource hungry. > > I have an AMD K6 350 with 64 megs of RAM, > > give it KDE and netscape 6 and it goes so slowly I have > > to check to make *certain* its not running Windows! > > 64MB is tight. However, run Konqueror instead of Netscape and see how much > free memory you have. Netscape 4 is certainly a massive memory hog. There is a good point I want to raise here, and that's to put the requirements into perspective. To trim memory from Konqueror, XFree, and the rest of the packages is very likely a massive amount of effort, if it's even doable. At that expense comes the expense of not having new features added or bugs fixed - after all, a developer can do only thing at a time. Now let's look at the price of memory these days. In Minnesota, a 64MB PC133 DIMM can be had for under $20. 128MB is only $35. Check out http://www.nanosys1.com for verification. The system I just bought had a 256MB DIMM in it - and yes, the price of the memory dropped about 25% since I bought it a month or two ago :-( Now, do we really want a developer to be spending hours and hours trying to save a few bytes off the memory fingerprint to save you spending $20 for another 64MB? A few years ago when 64MB was expensive, the answer would probably be yes. But I don't believe that should be the case anymore. I sure I hope I don't sound like MS and encourage bloatware, because I don't and would like to see small, compact efficient implementations. Sometimes, however, end users are asking for the impossible. If you want to run in a small memory footprint like the "good old days", go back to the software of the "good old days" and scrap the windowing interface and use a shell. You can't have it both ways. .../Ed p.s. I'm old enough to remember programming overlays on RSX-11M to fit applications into 64K and remember muli-user graphics systems shipping with 512K. I've got memory on my video card now than you can physically fit into an older VAX I've still got in production at work! -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Cooker] how to setup
- Original Message - From: "e70" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] Nautilus needs to be rebuilt > can boot linux whit my packard bell some can help me?? > - Original Message - > From: "Alexander Skwar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Cooker] Nautilus needs to be rebuilt > > > > So sprach Alexander 'Digital Projects' Skwar am Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at > 10:35:24AM +0100: > > > What can cause such error messages? > > > > Whatever it was, it's gone now. I've deleted most parts of ~/.gnome and > > other not so important (read: irritating) config file leftovers, and now > > it's running good. > > I'm running my nautilus version that I've just announced here and it is > > *WAY* faster than the 0.8.2 that ships with Mandrake. It really has a > > tremendous performance boost. > > > > Alexander Skwar > > -- > > How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) > > Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de > >iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen > > Uptime: 5 days 22 hours 48 minutes > > > > >
Re: [Cooker] Nautilus needs to be rebuilt
So sprach e70 am Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 04:39:47PM +0100: > can boot linux whit my packard bell some can help me?? So? Can call with my phone :] Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 5 days 23 hours 36 minutes
Re: [Cooker]
So sprach e70 am Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 04:40:21PM +0100: > can boot linux whit my packard bell some can help me?? Yes, we heard you! Now go to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 5 days 23 hours 45 minutes
[Cooker] how to setup
- Original Message - From: "e70" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] Nautilus needs to be rebuilt > can boot linux whit my packard bell some can help me?? > - Original Message - > From: "Alexander Skwar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Cooker] Nautilus needs to be rebuilt > > > > So sprach Alexander 'Digital Projects' Skwar am Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at > 10:35:24AM +0100: > > > What can cause such error messages? > > > > Whatever it was, it's gone now. I've deleted most parts of ~/.gnome and > > other not so important (read: irritating) config file leftovers, and now > > it's running good. > > I'm running my nautilus version that I've just announced here and it is > > *WAY* faster than the 0.8.2 that ships with Mandrake. It really has a > > tremendous performance boost. > > > > Alexander Skwar > > -- > > How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) > > Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de > >iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen > > Uptime: 5 days 22 hours 48 minutes > > > > >
Re: [Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3
I just looked at the qt sources and it looks like at the moment it is impossible to use non-AA and AA fonts at the same time in one application. This is really bad news, since AA is great for Web pages, but IMHO is inacceptable for the fonts in Mandrake when using small (<=11) font sizes. On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Rob Snow wrote: > The problem with fonts seems to be that in QT 2.3 you need to have a > XftConfig file to define your font mappings for QT --> X11. > > To fix todays cooker to make it somewhat usable, do the following: > > * Go to http://keithp.com/~keithp/fonts/ and get truetype.tar.gz and This could become a big problem. I'm not sure if it has been discussed before, but these fonts are really high quality and it would be helpful to include them in the distribution. The problem is that there are copyrighted by Microsoft and Distributed under their EULA. AFAICS, Microsoft does allow the distribution in RPM format, but it's still political. > XftConfig > * untar the truetype.tar.gz into /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype > * put the XftConfig file into /etc/X11 The file is already installed in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/, no need to put it in /etc/X11/. > * edit it to make sure it's pointing to the new fonts (has a dir set to > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype) > * restart X > > Problem with this is that you lose all your drakfonts (windows fonts you've > added through DrakFont) Adding /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont to the search path in XftConfig solves this. > and the mapping seem pretty bad for some things > (konsole), BUT it does give you a working framework to make things much > better and hopefully enumerate what the basic problem seems to be. > There was a source patch on the KDE-devel mailing list for konsole and as a temporary fix it is possible to set the font to Unicode. Arnd <><
Re: [Cooker] Microsoft mode
can boot linux whit my packard bell some can help me?? - Original Message - From: "Leon Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] Microsoft mode > Shannon Matteson wrote: > > > So far I have gotten two people to install LM 7.2 and two more > > interested in trying it, but my job would be much easier if there was > > this "Microsoft Mode" for installation... > > Refuses to install on DR-DOS machines, like Win 3.1? Obliterates any > non-FAT non-NTFS partition on your primary drive, like Win98? Crashes > six to eight times during install, like WinME? Installs with a grossly > vulnerable web browser, like WinNT? Installs with AD so that it fills > every DNS in reach with crap, like Win2k? Requires remote registration > during install (and presumably regular licence fees later) like WinXP? > Which Microsoft feature interested you most, or have I missed one? > Security hole de jour? Vanishing KB articles? Benchmark publication > restrictions? (-: > > -- > There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale > returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. > -- Mark Twain > >
[Cooker] Is this true rtl8139 vs 8139too ??
I've been asking myself why there's this thing called "8139too" .. Why is there such double?? That's kind funny, not to mention that 8139too is kinda slow in my HP EN1207d-TX 10/100 Is this argument true that 8139too changes are pointless and flawed? Can anybody confirm this please -> http://www.scyld.com/network/rtl8139.html#8139too -- Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.cyest.org GnuPG Key ID: 0x33343FD3 (2000-07-21) Key fingerprint = F1FB 1F76 8866 0F40 A801 D9DA 6BED 6641 3334 3FD3 http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x33343FD3
[Cooker] Please, or, please, add libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 back to cooker!
Most of stuff that needs old ibstdc++ from 7.2 here (and this is quite a number of packages) does not run. I've tried symlinking to new libstdc++ but it results in segfault. I cannot update everything, sorry. -andrej
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can boot linux whit my packard bell some can help me??
Re: [Cooker] Microsoft mode
can boot linux whit my packard bell some can help me?? - Original Message - From: "Leon Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] Microsoft mode > Shannon Matteson wrote: > > > So far I have gotten two people to install LM 7.2 and two more > > interested in trying it, but my job would be much easier if there was > > this "Microsoft Mode" for installation... > > Refuses to install on DR-DOS machines, like Win 3.1? Obliterates any > non-FAT non-NTFS partition on your primary drive, like Win98? Crashes > six to eight times during install, like WinME? Installs with a grossly > vulnerable web browser, like WinNT? Installs with AD so that it fills > every DNS in reach with crap, like Win2k? Requires remote registration > during install (and presumably regular licence fees later) like WinXP? > Which Microsoft feature interested you most, or have I missed one? > Security hole de jour? Vanishing KB articles? Benchmark publication > restrictions? (-: > > -- > There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale > returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. > -- Mark Twain > >
[Cooker] [RPM] scrollkeeper-0.1.4-1mdk
Hello! I've uploaded this file to ftp.linux-mandrake.com/incoming/. You'll either find the file at the usual mirror sites, or at http://rpm.digitalprojects.com --- Name: scrollkeeper Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 0.1.4 Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 1mdk Build Date: Fre 09 Mär 2001 22:35:20 CET Install date: (not installed) Build Host: teich.garten.digitalprojects.com Group : PublishingSource RPM: (none) Size: 240121 License: LGPL Packager: Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> URL : http://scrollkeeper.sourceforge.net/ Summary : ScrollKeeper is a cataloging system for documentation on open systems Description : ScrollKeeper is a cataloging system for documentation. It manages documentation metadata (as specified by the Open Source Metadata Framework (OMF)) and provides a simple API to allow help browsers to find, sort, and search the document catalog. It will also be able to communicate with catalog servers on the Net to search for documents which are not on the local system. --- Fre Mär 09 2001 Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 0.1.4-1mdk - New release - Worked around using a patch for redefining localstatedir, by defining _localstatedir to be /var instead of /var/lib -- Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: [Cooker] Nautilus needs to be rebuilt
can boot linux whit my packard bell some can help me?? - Original Message - From: "Alexander Skwar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] Nautilus needs to be rebuilt > So sprach Alexander 'Digital Projects' Skwar am Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 10:35:24AM +0100: > > What can cause such error messages? > > Whatever it was, it's gone now. I've deleted most parts of ~/.gnome and > other not so important (read: irritating) config file leftovers, and now > it's running good. > I'm running my nautilus version that I've just announced here and it is > *WAY* faster than the 0.8.2 that ships with Mandrake. It really has a > tremendous performance boost. > > Alexander Skwar > -- > How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) > Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de >iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen > Uptime: 5 days 22 hours 48 minutes >
[Cooker] [RPM] nautilus-0.8.5-0.200103091555.1mdk
Hello! I've uploaded this file to ftp.linux-mandrake.com/incoming/. You'll either find the file at the usual mirror sites, or at http://rpm.digitalprojects.com --- Name: nautilus Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 0.8.5 Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 0.200103091555.1mdk Build Date: Sam 10 Mär 2001 04:19:58 CET Install date: (not installed) Build Host: teich.garten.digitalprojects.com Group : File toolsSource RPM: (none) Size: 9232108 License: GPL Packager: Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Summary : Nautilus is a file manager for the GNOME desktop environment. Description : Nautilus is an excellent file manager for the GNOME desktop environment. --- Fre Mär 09 2001 Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 0.8.5-0.200103091555.1mdk - New version - All packages now also require the release instead of just the version ( 0.8.5-0.200103091555.1mdk instead of 0.8.5 ) -- Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: [Cooker] kernel-source-2.4.2-8mdk
Christian Gennerat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What is this new problem ? > How many rpm's must I install before compiling a kernel? ask to the kernel hacker, i'll erase this file before shipping... -- MandrakeSoft Inc http://www.chmouel.org --Chmouel
Re: [Cooker] Nautilus needs to be rebuilt
So sprach Alexander 'Digital Projects' Skwar am Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 10:35:24AM +0100: > What can cause such error messages? Whatever it was, it's gone now. I've deleted most parts of ~/.gnome and other not so important (read: irritating) config file leftovers, and now it's running good. I'm running my nautilus version that I've just announced here and it is *WAY* faster than the 0.8.2 that ships with Mandrake. It really has a tremendous performance boost. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 5 days 22 hours 48 minutes
[Cooker] X4.0.2 & SiS6326 = invisible graphics
With previous unsupported RPMS and a full cooker install with the most current 4.0.2-8mdk rpms for xfree86 there is a problem with X and the SiS6326 AGP card. Testing fails with a black screen (in 4.0.1 it didn't) but does not hang the machine. Then when X is actually started (whether it be Aurora or a full X session with the login screen) there are no visible graphics or text - only colours and dialog boxes. Ctrl-alt-F1 to a console and then back to F7 makes the graphics and text then visible and it works fine from here on. It's almost like some last step is forgotten... I'm not sure if this is an X problem per se or a problem with the RPMS but I've not seen it work yet with any other RPMS. Otherwise, keep up the good work! Con Kolivas __ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au
[Cooker] [RPM] medusa-0.3.3-0.200103091555.1mdk
Hello! I've uploaded this file to ftp.linux-mandrake.com/incoming/. You'll either find the file at the usual mirror sites, or at http://rpm.digitalprojects.com --- Name: medusa Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 0.3.3 Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 0.200103091555.1mdk Build Date: Sam 10 Mär 2001 02:42:40 CET Install date: (not installed) Build Host: teich.garten.digitalprojects.com Group : Graphical desktop/GNOME Source RPM: (none) Size: 290178 License: LGPL Packager: Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> URL : http://www.gnome.org Summary : Medusa, the gnome search/indexing package Description : Medusa, the gnome search/indexing package. GNOME is the GNU Network Object Model Environment. That's a fancy name but really GNOME is a nice GUI desktop environment. It makes using your computer easy, powerful, and easy to configure. --- Fre Mär 09 2001 Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 0.3.3-0.200103091555.1mdk - New version -- Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[Cooker] [RPM] gnome-vfs-0.9-0.200103091555.1mdk
Hello! I've uploaded this file to ftp.linux-mandrake.com/incoming/. You'll either find the file at the usual mirror sites, or at http://rpm.digitalprojects.com --- Name: gnome-vfsRelocations: (not relocateable) Version : 0.9 Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 0.200103091555.1mdk Build Date: Sam 10 Mär 2001 02:50:14 CET Install date: (not installed) Build Host: teich.garten.digitalprojects.com Group : System/Libraries Source RPM: (none) Size: 871514 License: LGPL Packager: Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> URL : http://www.gnome.org/ Summary : GNOME virtual file-system libraries Description : The GNOME Virtual File System provides an abstraction to common file system operations like reading, writing and copying files, listing directories and so on. It is similar in spirit to the Midnight Commander's VFS (as it uses a similar URI scheme) but it is designed from the ground up to be extensible and to be usable from any application. --- Fre Mär 09 2001 Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 0.9-0.200103091555.1mdk - New version -- Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[Cooker] [RPM] ammonite-0.8.7-0.200103091555.1mdk
Hello! I've uploaded this file to ftp.linux-mandrake.com/incoming/. You'll either find the file at the usual mirror sites, or at http://rpm.digitalprojects.com --- Name: ammonite Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 0.8.7 Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 0.200103091555.1mdk Build Date: Sam 10 Mär 2001 02:29:02 CET Install date: (not installed) Build Host: teich.garten.digitalprojects.com Group : Graphical desktop/GNOME Source RPM: (none) Size: 373871 License: GPL Packager: Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> URL : http://nautilus.eazel.com/ Summary : Ammonite is a portion of the Eazel Services authentication framework. Description : Ammonite is a non-caching client-side HTTP proxy with a set of special features required by Eazel to communicate with Eazel Services. Ammonite provides the user authentication and encryption features used by Eazel Services. It is part of the GNOME project, and its source code can be found in the GNOME CVS repository. You will need to install Ammonite if you intend to use Eazel Services. Ammonite links statically with OpenSSL, which is (C) Eric Young. Ammonite was originally based on TinyProxy v1.3, written by by Steven Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and Robert James Kaes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. --- Fre Mär 09 2001 Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 0.8.7-0.200103091555.1mdk - New version -- Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: [Cooker] VNC modifications different in 8.0?
Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > Where do I make a change to the PATH statement so that it is > affected for ALL users? effective for all users? try /etc/profile > Also, could someone please tell me how to restart the inetd daemon without > having to re-boot? Formal (works for any service installed from mdk RPM and many from RH|SuSE RPMs as well): service inet restart ...or... /etc/rc.d/init.d/inet restart ...or use linuxconf's services control panel. Or... Informal: killall -HUP inetd ...or... kill -HUP $(cat /var/run/inetd.pid) ...and there are probably at least 8 other ways... (-: -- I have never let my schooling get in the way of my education. -- Mark Twain
Re: [Cooker] Microsoft mode
Shannon Matteson wrote: > So far I have gotten two people to install LM 7.2 and two more > interested in trying it, but my job would be much easier if there was > this "Microsoft Mode" for installation... Refuses to install on DR-DOS machines, like Win 3.1? Obliterates any non-FAT non-NTFS partition on your primary drive, like Win98? Crashes six to eight times during install, like WinME? Installs with a grossly vulnerable web browser, like WinNT? Installs with AD so that it fills every DNS in reach with crap, like Win2k? Requires remote registration during install (and presumably regular licence fees later) like WinXP? Which Microsoft feature interested you most, or have I missed one? Security hole de jour? Vanishing KB articles? Benchmark publication restrictions? (-: -- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. -- Mark Twain
[Cooker] Re: Mdk8 for i386/i486/i686
Michael Brown wrote: > Seconded. Since (I think) we're up to 3 CDs anyway, IMHO all of the installer should be *386* capable (ie come with floating point emu, even if optimised for 486 or better) and enough of the fundamental utilities (init, modprobe, depmod, bash, maybe a dozen or twenty other tools, none of which with the possible exception of BASH are at all speed-critical) 486-compatible to actually boot and get to the point of rebuilding the packages, plus bundle a 386-runnable kernel, compiler and basic libraries on one of the extra CDs. If need be, some 486-compatible tools, libraries and/or kernel can be borrowed from the installer image by doing a last-minute (after all RPMs are on) overwrite of executable files from the image to the installation, where a file exists in both the installation and the installer. The idea is that a Mandrake CD will boot and install and reboot on a 386, but without anything fancy. Even runlevel 3 would be optional, since you only need runlevel 1 to rebuild packages. The many things for which high speed is entirely a non-issue (uname, hostname, setserial, ping, ...) would be shipped 386-capable and optimised for 486 architecture. Some of the more speed-sensitive ones ([bg](un)zip[2], bash, perl, framebuffer-X) would be available from the second-stage installer. The remainder could even be rebuilt and downgraded automagically (estimated time to completion on this 386sx25: 8 days 3 hours 51 minutes) using a minimum of disk space, since the installer already ``knows'' the package dependencies involved. > Code execution speed during the installer is not really a major issue, > since the majority of the time is spent doing disk or network I/O anyway. > As far as I can see there's no drawback to having a 486-compatible > installer - please correct me if this is not the case. I would say that this is always so for many system utilities as well (df, mount, cfdisk, mkreiserfs, alsactl, groupadd, ...) but not those that sort (ls, sort), do heavy maths (bzip2, ssh) or run often/fast (top, tcpdump) or may face performance bottlenecks (apache, X) so may as well compile the first group for 486 anyway (AFAIK all 486 stuff runs on 386, only optimisation is different, and I'll live with that :-) and save incompatibility for the bottlenecks, where it will make a difference. As I understand it, 486-optimised code is slightly smaller than 586-optimized, and the results vary depending on the kind of 586 you optimise for (some Pentium optimisations (inserted NOPs and the like) actually run *slower* on some Cyrix and AMD CPUs, and many others are no help). It might be worthwhile putting up ISOs for 386, Intel-686 and AMD-686 on the FTP site, in addition to the normal 586 set, ...and/or... (a) script(s) to turn an SRPM mirror into any or all of the above so it is easy to grab a normal ISO, install it, mirror the SRPMS (or with a boxed set, insert the SRPM CD) and wave the pervasive Mandrake wand (wave the disk heads lots as well, I imagine) to make a 386-capable or AMD-optimised set of ISOs locally. -- Don't put off for tomorrow what you can do today, because if you enjoy it today you can do it again tomorrow.
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.2 + 8.0 bloated and resource hog!
Pete wrote: > He had chosen an expert install and wanted to > know what packages he needed. Windows doesn't even *have* an ``expert'' install! > He then asked me why everything was > installed by default, The reasonable presumption is made that if you install something, you want to run it. IMHO it should all be running by default, but only listening to localhost (lo interface). That way you can try out all of the services on the machine, from the machine, but need to make configuration changes to expose them to the rest of the world. Those configuration changes should be well documented, and explicitly referred to in a document *clearly*linked*from* a greeting message that comes up on first boot, and is available from the XDM login. > and why everyone was trying to make Linux like the > particular operating system he was trying to get away from. That's easy enough: to minimise transition trauma. > I couldn't possibly do a standard > install, because when I do a standard install with a different operating > system it installs a bunch of stuff I don't want. Actually, the Windows equivalent of a ``custom'' install puts in some stuff (MSN comes to mind, and more recently WMP) even if you explicitly ask it *not* to during the install. Also *application* installs will often install system stuff you don't want (I remember an MS-Office install downgrading the existing IE to a more vulnerable version!) or sometimes do want (a friend had his sound-card burst into life after an IE upgrade) but shouldn't have needed anyway. > I think one way to do that would > be to not start services by default and work on informing the user that > the functionality that they want is there, but they need to enable it. Agree, only I would enable all of the services only in ``safe mode,'' see above. > Then work on making it easier for the users to understand how to enable it. Agree. -- We are confronted with insurmountable opportunities -- Pogo
Re: [expert] qt2.3 rpms for 7.2
All your antiased font are belong to Tobias! mm On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Tobias Marx wrote: > I've compiled rpms of qt2.3 for Mandrake 7.2 from the cooker srpms. > You can download them here: http://rpm.digitalprojects.com. > They install fine, but the unsupported xfree4.02 rpms seem not to > support antialiasing. I'm going to compile new xfree rpms from cooker > tomorow. I hope this will help. > > Below the changelog for the packages. > > Name: libqt2 Relocations: (not > relocateable) > Version : 2.3.0 Vendor: (none) > Release : 1mdk Build Date: Sam 10 Mär 2001 > 02:10:44 CET > Install date: (not installed) Build Host: > KReML.digitalprojects.com > Group : Development/KDE and QTSource RPM: > qt2-2.3.0-1mdk.src.rpm > Size: 10612328 License: GPL & QPL > URL : http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt.html > Summary : Shared library for the Qt2 GUI toolkit > Description : > Qt is a GUI software toolkit. Qt simplifies the task of writing and > maintaining > GUI (graphical user interface) applications for X Windows System. > Qt is written in C++ and is fully object-oriented. It has everything you > need > to create professional GUI applications. And it enables you to create > them > quickly. > > Qt is a multi-platform toolkit. When developing software with Qt, you > can run > it on the X Window System (Unix/X11) or Microsoft Windows NT and Windows > 95/98 > or framebuffer devices. > Simply recompile your source code on the platform you want. > > This package contains the shared library needed to run Qt2 applications, > as > well as the README files for Qt. > * Don Mär 08 2001 David BAUDENS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.3.0-1mdk > > - 2.3.0 > > * Die Feb 20 2001 David BAUDENS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.2.4-3mdk > > - Rebuild to try to remove dependancies on libmng0 (thanks to Guillaume) > > * Die Feb 20 2001 David BAUDENS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.2.4-2mdk > > - Rebuild with libmng-1.0.0 > > * Die Feb 06 2001 David BAUDENS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.2.4-1mdk > > - 2.2.4 > > * Sam Jan 27 2001 David BAUDENS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.2.3-9mdk > > - Use sources from TrollTech > - Remove patch #1 > - Add two patches from David FAURE > > * Mit Jan 17 2001 David BAUDENS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.2.3-8mdk > > - Enable KDE support > - Use optimizations > > * Die Dez 26 2000 Daouda Lo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.2.3-7mdk > > - AA support (build with -xft) -> with freetype2 + XFree-4.0.2 (see > cooker) > - cleanups > > * Fre Dez 22 2000 Daouda Lo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.2.3-6mdk > > - fix symlinks > - cleanups > > * Don Dez 21 2000 Geoffrey Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.2.3-5mdk > > - add a libqt.so as quick hack for myself to build Licq. > - need fix: fix bad symlinks in /usr/lib. > > * Die Dez 19 2000 Daouda Lo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.2.3-4mdk > > - links to include files in /usr/lib/qt2/include > > * Mon Dez 18 2000 Daouda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.2.3-2mdk > > - provides libs in /usr/lib , some packages need this to build > > * Mon Dez 18 2000 Daouda Lo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.2.3-2mdk > > - big changes : package splitted in 4 entities > - fix gcc internal error (drawback-> -O2 opt :( > - merge with big dadou cleanups > - lib policy > > * Mon Dez 11 2000 David BAUDENS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.2.3-1mdk > > - Enable libmng support > - Enable threads > - Rewrite spec to make it LMDK compliant > - Remove doc packages (most of doc is in devel package now) > - Remove rpath > - Libdification > - Add longtitle to Qt Designer menu entry > - Fix groups > - Make rpmlint happy (at least, nearly) > > * Don Nov 23 2000 Christopher Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2.2.2-2mdk > > - Update to 2.2.2 package on cooker. > > * Die Nov 21 2000 Christopher Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2.2.2-1mdk > > - Update to 2.2.2 package > > * Mit Nov 08 2000 Chmouel Boudjnah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.2.1-5mdk > > - Add gcc2.96 patches from redhat. > > * Don Nov 02 2000 Christopher Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2.2.1-4mdk > > - Added msg2qm utility back per request from Cookers > - Recompile for gcc 2.96 > > * Die Okt 24 2000 Christopher Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2.2.1-3mdk > > - Attempting to fix patch so that it builds on it's own (I can not use > RCS > patches that are sent to me). > - Rebuild with no exceptions > > * Mon Okt 23 2000 Christopher Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2.2.1-2mdk > > - Added patch 0 from David Faure > > * Fre Okt 06 2000 Christopher Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2.2.1-1mdk > > - Update to 2.2.1 package > > * Mon Sep 25 2000 Christopher Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.2-4mdk > > - Some KDE related patches > > * Fre Sep 22 2000 Christopher Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.2-3mdk > > - Some KDE related patches > > * Don Sep 07 2000 Christopher Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.2-2mdk > > - Changed liscense from QPL to GPL > > * Don Sep 07 2000 Christopher Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.2-1mdk > >
[Cooker] when will there be a beta 2
Any idea when there will be a beta 2 for mdk 8? Greg
Re: [Cooker] Do I need a new modprobe, or what ?
OS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello, > > The latest kernel (2.4.2-8mdk) appears to load all its modules as *.gz. So, > for example, when a pcmcia modem is plugged in the resulting modprobe fails > since it looks, amongst others, for i82365.o but only i82365.o.gz exists ! > Linking i82365.o to i82365.o.gz rectifys this problem. > > What gives :-) you need the last modutils (Requires: added in the last build). -- MandrakeSoft Inc http://www.chmouel.org --Chmouel
Re: [Cooker] Flash in Konqueror?
I have ver.8 installed. So how did you to run it in konqueror ? Eric MC On Friday 09 March 2001 23:53, you wrote: | Hello, | | RealPlayer is now supported by Real themselves. I down loaded RP 8 for | Linux from www.real.com and it works just fine. | | Owen | | On Friday 09 March 2001 4:03 pm, you wrote: | > Yes I do. | > But no realplayer. | > Eric MC | > | > On Thursday 08 March 2001 14:48, you wrote: | > | Anybody was successful using Flash plugin in Konqueror? It is listed in | > | plugins list, but attempt to look at site with flash gives empty | > | screen. | > | | > | -andrej -- When angry, count four; when very angry, swear. -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.2 + 8.0 bloated and resource hog!
Instead of second guessing what people might need or want, why not ask??? During install ask some simple questions: You have installed a web server (apache), do you want it to start automatically [yes] [no] You have installed blah blah ... Maybe with context sensitive help for each service > > > > Alexander Skwar wrote: > > > Hmm, thinking about it - hmm, as Mandrake is targeted at the newbie > kind of > > > user, I begin to think that even after an install, a service should > default > > > to being turned off. Yes, it's beginning to make sense. If someone > knows > > > that he wants something, than it's easier for him to turn the service > > > intentionally on. > > AGREE. > > > > > But then again, someone may not know what he wants. Suppose a new linux > > > user, who just read, that linux comes with an email server. He knows > that > > > he wants an email server, but fails to see that postfix is an email > server. > > > Now the service is turned off - he comes to the conclusion, that > "Linux is > > > not working" because he expected to have an email server when installing > > > Linux. What about these kind of users? > > > > It makes much more perfect sense to write a message in a dialog box > > after install: "Dear user, your servers are not turned on by default so > > that you can choose which one you want to run by yourself. If you need > > it, log in as root user and type drakxservices from the console and > > start the services that you need for your servers. If you only want to > > run Mandrake as a desktop/development workstation, you don't have to > > turn on any services so that your computer is optimized for desktop. To > > update Mandrake, you can run Mandrake Update Robot if you user your > > computer as a server or rpmdrake for Desktop user" > >The problem with that is that you want to run some services. Of the top of >my head i guess xfs would be essental for a desktop user. Maybe the >services should be partioned into desktop and server services. > > > > > > Another good idea is, try installing Caldera OpenDesktop 2.4 and you'll > > see that login boot screen says "anacron [Enabled], crond [Enabled], > > apache [Disabled], portmap [Disabled], nfs [Disabled], etc etc etc" > > However, Caldera still doesn't turn them off by default, which is bad. > > > > > Yes, this should not happen. Upgrading packages should not change the > > > whether a service is turned on or off. > > Of course it should NEVER happen. I don't understand why the packaging > > forces us to run these unwanted services :-( > > > > -- > > Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > http://www.cyest.org > > GnuPG Key ID: 0x33343FD3 (2000-07-21) > > Key fingerprint = F1FB 1F76 8866 0F40 A801 D9DA 6BED 6641 3334 3FD3 > > http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x33343FD3 > > > >
Re: [Cooker] qt2.3 rpms for 7.2
andre schrieb: > > > > > I've compiled rpms of qt2.3 for Mandrake 7.2 from the cooker srpms. > > You can download them here: http://rpm.digitalprojects.com. > > They install fine, but the unsupported xfree4.02 rpms seem not to > > support antialiasing. I'm going to compile new xfree rpms from cooker > > tomorow. I hope this will help. > > > XF4.0.1 had not yet the render extension. Did you ad it to your XFconfig file? good hint, but what do i have to add to the conf file? it's hard to find something like that on the XFree Server :(. but anyway, i've got to know that the nvidia drivers don't support the render extension at all. it is announced for the next release (0.97). :( bye, Tobias
Re: [Cooker] Cooker PCMCIA install with Mandrake 7.2 PCMCIA image ?
El Jue 08 Mar 2001 13:54, escribiste: > Fernando Monera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I tried the pcmcia install (network/http) from yesterday's cooker > > (06-March-2001) and everything went ok (well, I had to modify a file on > > Mandrake/base to tell that there were not two CD's). > > After the installation of the packages, when it's time to configure the > > network card, mdk proposes to keep the current net configuration. This is > > ok too. > > Now the problem: When I reboot, the network doesn't work. Everything is > > ok apparently: > > - Pcmcia card detected > > - It executes the network start script once you insert the card > > - It has the routes ok > > - The output of "ifconfig eth0" seems ok > > When I try to ping to other machine on the same network, it says "network > > unreachable". The same happens with 8.0b1. > > Can you print the contents of "/sbin/ifconfig" please? > > Also, output of "/sbin/route"? (maybe your default route is not set!) Opps!! I have reinstalled 7.2 to have pcmcia working again. This night I am going to try again and post the results. But I already checked many times the network configuration. I'm almost sure It must be something with the kernel. Anyone has the "tulip" driver for a Xircom pcmcia card working ok with current cooker? -- Saludos -- Fernando Monera Daroqui email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No se ha usado ningún producto comercial para escribir éste mensaje. linux reg Nº: 94004 (http://counter.li.org) --
Re: [Cooker] installer error msg
On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, David Hart wrote: > At the summary section of the installer (current cooker), both my sound > cards are shown as having been correctly detected. Nice! But, when I click the > button for either of them, I get the msg, "An error occurred. Not a CODE > reference." I don't know what clicking those buttons is supposed to do, but I'm > fairly sure it's not just supposed to give an error ;) I don't know if this is happening to anyone else, or just to me: I have now received over 500 copies of the above message. Can someone PLEASE fix this mail loop!!! Michael
Re: [Cooker] SRPMS
> So sprach Roger am Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 04:06:59PM -0500: > > Does somebody have a script that will compile all the SRPMS's for the > > cooker? There's a tool in cooker called rpm-rebuilder, which might suite your needs. I beleive it's used within Mandrake itself. > > Right now, doing: > > > > rpm -iv *src.rpm > > /usr/src/RPM*/SPEC/rpm -bb --clean *.spec I've made some shellscripts myself, which rebuild the entire ditro every week, sort the buildoutputs, etc. etc. The scripts do work, but they're quite messy. If you want a copy I can send them over... Since the scripts are a bit messy, I hope that I'll soon have the time to replace my shellscripts with rpm-rebuilder... > I don't think this will work. To really get a working system, you often > have to install stuff, and sometimes you can't install all (eg. you cannot > install both libxml-devel and libxml2-devel). Further, sometimes you have > to compile and install things in the right order (eg. glibc needs to be > installed before anything else). Very true... you often see this happening within cooker, all of a sudden many packages get "rebuilt" because of an underlying package... Has anyone ever thought about making the dependancies within the distro visual? That would be an interesting... --> perhaps the method to get rid of redundant dependancies, etc.. Stefan
Re: [Cooker] Nautilus needs to be rebuilt
So sprach Alexander 'Digital Projects' Skwar am Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 10:23:13AM +0100: > Okay, I've just finished compiling the snapshot and installed it. There I > get the same error message I get in nautilus-0.8.2: Hmm, seems like these error messages are caused by something else. I've just created a new user and ran nautilus as this user who doesn't have any settings at all. It works fine with this user. What can cause such error messages? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 5 days 17 hours 7 minutes
Re: [Cooker] Nautilus needs to be rebuilt
So sprach Frederic Crozat am Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 01:53:31PM +0100: > That's very strange, I don't have any problem on my test machine with > nautilus and gtk 1.2.9.. > > Could you check that you have upgrade all libraries needed for nautilus > (libgnome-vfs0, libmedusa..) ? Okay, I've just finished compiling the snapshot and installed it. There I get the same error message I get in nautilus-0.8.2: [askwar@teich askwar]$ nautilus Gdk-CRITICAL **: file gdkpixmap.c: line 823 (gdk_pixmap_unref): assertion `private->ref_count > 0' failed. Gdk-CRITICAL **: file gdkpixmap.c: line 823 (gdk_pixmap_unref): assertion `private->ref_count > 0' failed. Gdk-CRITICAL **: file gdkpixmap.c: line 823 (gdk_pixmap_unref): assertion `private->ref_count > 0' failed. Gdk-CRITICAL **: file gdkpixmap.c: line 823 (gdk_pixmap_unref): assertion `private->ref_count > 0' failed. Gdk-ERROR **: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter) serial 256 error_code 4 request_code 2 minor_code 0 The libraries are all current. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 5 days 16 hours 54 minutes
Re: [Cooker] Error installing kernel-2.4.2-8mdk
So sprach OS am Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 10:56:15PM +: > But even with the latest mkinitrd (and using it !) this problem still occurs. > :-) Ehm, sure? Did not happen for me when having mkinitrd-2.7-6mdk installed. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 5 days 16 hours 39 minutes
