[Cooker] [Bug 2209] [Installation] Scroll bars jump about
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2209 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-02 07:26 --- this is in 9.1 rc1 that I'm having the problem. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: When doing a individual package installation and scrolling down the list of programs available the system will suddently jump back to the last one selected if you pause for a short while before continuing to scroll. This happens both in beta 3 and RC1, intel 845G chipset with Intel 2.53Ghz processor, Microsoft Scroll mouse and standard internet keyboard. Did not happen in 9.0
Re: [Cooker] openoffice.org 1.0.2 save as pdf
On Sunday 02 March 2003 12:15 am, tarvid wrote: > how do you do that? > This question is better on one of the suport lists. Anyway, I digress. You set up a printer that is a pdfwriter in spadmin. -- Greg
[Cooker] openoffice.org 1.0.2 save as pdf
how do you do that? jim tarvid
Re: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club ?
I think you guys are missing an important point. While contrib apps are unsupported, there is at least some assurance of quality. It's hard to get access (almost too hard), your work is closely watched (by people and by rpmlint), and other people can easily 'overtake' your package if it sucks. The club however, is almost uncontrolled. There is no rpmlint checking, almost anyone can get write access (by submitting one good rpm), and it's very hard to 'fix' someone else's package, as they retain the control over it by web interface. Also club has looser guidelines on licensing, and compilation. The only restriction is that your package must have a source and a binary rpm. And even at that, the source rpm can just be a wrapper for a binary (yanc). So while I agree that work done on the club should do more to help contribs, I don't think that club packages should be 'forced' into contribs, and I don't think that club volunteers should have any special access to contribs. That's not to say that they should remain separate, but I don't have a better solution right now. My main concern is to keep the quality of contribs packages at their current high level. Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
[Cooker] [Bug 1799] [XFree86] GATOS project's AVView TV tuner worked in MDK 9.0 but no longer works in 9.1 (any beta or RC)
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1799 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Version|4.3-0.20030218.1mdk |4.3-1mdk --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-02 05:02 --- I tried the updated XFree, and now the final XFree 4.3-1mdk RPM series. I also followed GATOS' suggestion of installing their ATI 4.3 drivers, which I have tried. None of these things has resolved my TV tuning problems. Do you have any suggestions? --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: In Mandrake 9.0, the GATOS project's TV tuner program, AVView, worked flawlessly. Now however, after doing a configure, make, make install as usual, I get the following error(s): Adaptor 0: ATI Radeon Video Adapter type input video image ports 61 61 ATI Radeon Video Adapter master=.controlwin row=1 column=0 X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) Major opcode of failed request: 141 (XVideo) Minor opcode of failed request: 14 () Serial number of failed request: 770 Current serial number in output stream: 770 The tuner used to be using port 59, which may be part/all of the problem, but the new XFree doesn't seem to let me change it from 61 to 59. The program instantly crashes and displays this message at launch. Having TV tuning capabilities is a major reason why I use Mandrake (Redhat doesn't work very well with GATOS.). Please coordinate with the GATOS team if necessary because I believe it affects all ATI All-In-Wonder cards. An AVView RPM that fixes the problem would be nice, but "make install" is fine as long as I can actually use my tv tuner. Thank you very much for your help. I am very pleased with the direction Mandrake is heading with 9.1 aside from this issue.
Re: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club ?
On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 18:18, Michael Scherer wrote: > > Lenny said anything that we can't compile with gcc can't go in contribs. > > Austin > > I was trying to package a game written in pascal with fpc ( freepascal.org ), > so I should stop ? Sorry, I meant gcc or similar. Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
[Cooker] [Bug 2600] [Installation] New: Unselecting OpenOffice.org does not unselect all OO.o Components
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2600 Product: Installation Component: Installation Summary: Unselecting OpenOffice.org does not unselect all OO.o Components Version: 1.799 Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P2 AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] During install of 20030228 Cooker, I tried to unselect OpenOffice.org during individual package selection. I would have expected OpenOffice.org help and OpenOffice.org libraries to be unslected as well and they installed. installing a second time, I unslected all of them manually. I would expect that unselecting one would unselect them all. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
Re: [Cooker] Re: Religious software (Shakespeare, Lovecraft, Joyce,Popul Vuh)
On Saturday 01 March 2003 06:01 pm, Leon Brooks wrote: > On Sunday 02 March 2003 06:04 am, N Smethurst wrote: > > Informal questionnaires like this are > > always going to attract replies from proactive individuals who have a > > specific interest in pushing whatever the questionnaire is talking about. > > True, but in this case the majority of respondents have been nonChristian, > and the package started life a Christian-only. That's what the Free in Free software is about. > > Out of all the replies, almost all of them have been from people who > > follow some type of religion. It's important to take this into account. No, it isn't. The same apparatus is essential for working with the numerous original versions of Shakespeare. I know people who want to apply it to Finnegans Wake. > You follow some type of religion, I guess. If it's `no-religion,' then it's > really a religion called `Atheism'. To call that non-religious would be > like saying zero is not a number, savvy? > > The alternative `no-religion' is `no-particular-religion,' and the name for > that is Agnosticism. An agnostic, by definition, cannot exclude religion. > > > Unfortunately, this goes against much of the grain of Christianity, > > which grew largely due to the activities of missionaries "converting" > > people. It could be construed that the inclusion of specialist software > > such as this would be the start of such a mission. IMHO, software should not be accepted or rejected based on ad hominem arguments, or what the developers want to use their creation for, as long as the Free software community has a use for it. > The project page itself states that this is its goal. They're going to get a shock, then, when they see their tools applied to the Lovecraft canon. > However, I would > refuse to exclude software on solely religious grounds becasue that would > make me *exactly* the same kind of despot as those allegedly Christian > missionaries who `converted' people by force or guile. Hear, hear. > The software is also very useful as a study framework for non-religious > material. Try it and see. I would specifically include it for that reason. > If you still have a problem with that approach, can I strongly suggest the > Open Source approach: publish nonChristian modules for use with it. > > ThML inherits from XML, so it shouldn't be too hard to find texts that > require almost no massaging to fit. > > For example, if you have a paper copy of /The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress/ > (Robert Heinlein) to hand, email a scan of the copyright page to show me > that you own the right to use it, and I'll whisk a Sword module for it back > your way. You can't get much more Atheist than Heinlein or Clarke. (-: I do, but I'll pass. Thank you, anyway. > > I'm afraid that my view on the inclusion of religion based software tools > > into a distribution such as Mandrake is not a positive step. > > If we were shipping texts as well, I would agree (unless we shipped texts > for a variety of religions, hopefully including Atheism). One of my pet projects. I'm trying to get some of the organizations creating electronic versions of religious texts to contribute them under some suitable license. I would like to see the full spectrum made available, over the last six millenia since the invention of writing, and including the orthodox, the hetorodox, and the heretical. Certainly including the Egyptian Book of the Dead, the Vedas, Zoroaster, early Greek, Chinese classical (Confucian, Taoist and other), Jewish, Buddhist, Jain, Roman, Christian, Gnostic, Quran, Popul Vuh, and so on, down to Baha'i texts, The Book of Mormon, Science & Health, atheist writings, and The Book of the SubGenius, all in original languages and modern translations, with dictionaries, concordances, and any other available study aids. Is that diverse enough for you? Anyway, isn't it about time for a new Free/Open religious text of some kind? > > It would be > > far better to set up a non-official Mandrake supporters web site for > > religious software, where the users are responsible for the maintenance > > of a set of RPMs that install correctly on each distribution of Mandrake > > that is released. > > Actually, it's much simpler than that. Such a site would simply > Mandrake-package and provide a URPMI interface for the modules, which could > be done with a script. Having the main package in the distro proper would > help to ensure the uniformity of such content packages. > > Cheers; Leon Certainly there is no reason for such files to be Mandrake-specific. -- Edward Cherlin Generalist & activist--Linux, languages, literacy and more "A knot! Oh, do let me help to undo it!" --Alice in Wonderland
[Cooker] [Bug 1246] [Hardware] modemconf doesn't run under kde and in text mode fonts are bad
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1246 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-02 04:45 --- This still does not work with Mandrake 9.1 RC1. When running modemconf in a terminal window, the following messages are displayed: Error message from remadmin :Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Error message from remadmin :Xlib: No protocol specified Error message from remadmin : Error message from remadmin : Error message from remadmin :Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 In text mode (not in a shell), the box drawing characters are still messed up and use various ascii characters making it extremely difficult to read the screen. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: Mandrake 9.1 beta 3: Opening a shell and running modemconf (as root) generates an error about not being able to start an x-session 0:0 (or something like that, I'm not at that computer, right now). Running it in text mode works except that the characters that are supposed to make up the box characters all appear as funny ascii characters which makes the screen very hard to read. It's so hard to read that I'm pretty sure that someone who had never run the text version would not be able to use it.
Re: Religious software (wasRe: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club?)
On Sat, 1 Mar 2003, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: > There is a big difference between censoring useless satiric stuff that > was added to a package installed by default in the main distro (man > pages), and adding a package in the Contribs. > > IMHO, the more packages we include in Contribs, the more value Mandrake > gives to its users. No matter if it's audio stuff, religious stuff > (which are both useless to me since I don't use them, but are useful to > other people), or server stuff (which is very important to be but > useless to other people). Especially if we go the route of dramatically cutting down (or even eliminating?) contribs from many of the CD versions... Apologies if I'm getting things mixed up... thanks to a b0rked voltage regulator I haven't been able to really read the list for the past few weeks... ;o) Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Cooker] [Bug 2598] [Installation] 9.1 RC1 CD1 too large to fit on standard 650MB CD
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2598 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-02 03:51 --- Well, for two weeks, lot's of people have been burning it without issue. What is the hardware and software you are using for the burn. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: It was really close, but when I tried to burn the .iso image for CD #1 of RC1, it was 651 MB. It would probably have to be cut down a few megabytes to ensure it fits on a standard 650MB CD
[Cooker] [Bug 2599] [mozilla] New: mozilla can't handle ftp urls
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2599 Product: mozilla Component: mozilla Summary: mozilla can't handle ftp urls Version: 1.3-0.final.20030228.1mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: major Priority: P2 AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ mozilla ftp://rpmfind.net/pub/ /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/mozilla-bin: relocation error: /usr/lib/galeon/components/libgaleon-xpcom.so: undefined symbol: eel_gconf_get_string The machine is in sync with cooker, libGConf2_4-2.2.0-1mdk and libeel2_2-2.2.1-1mdk are installed. As a side note, galeon has started to open a limitless number of pages again when trying to open an ftp url. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
[Cooker] [Bug 2598] [Installation] New: 9.1 RC1 CD1 too large to fit on standard 650MB CD
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2598 Product: Installation Component: Installation Summary: 9.1 RC1 CD1 too large to fit on standard 650MB CD Version: 1.799 Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P2 AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It was really close, but when I tried to burn the .iso image for CD #1 of RC1, it was 651 MB. It would probably have to be cut down a few megabytes to ensure it fits on a standard 650MB CD --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
[Cooker] [Bug 2597] [pcmcia-cs] New: pcmcia-cs not installed by default on laptop computer
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2597 Product: pcmcia-cs Component: pcmcia-cs Summary: pcmcia-cs not installed by default on laptop computer Version: 3.2.3-4mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P2 AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Installing Mandrake 9.1 RC1 (bug was also in 9.1 b3) the pcmcia-cs package was not installed. I would expect it be be installed by default as it was on 8.2. Also once I manually installed it, It still was not configured to work properly, and I had to manually edit the file /etc/sysconfig/pcmcia so it contained the following 2 lines: PCMCIA=yes PCIC=yenta_socket I did not have to do any of this when installing 8.2 --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
Re: [Cooker] Konqueror default index.html gone?
On Saturday 01 March 2003 09:07 pm, Quel Qun wrote: > On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 17:20, Trevor Rhodes wrote: > Speaking of this page, the safari.mandrakesoft.com link does not exist. I'll bet this is in preparation for a deal with http://safaribooksonline.com jim tarvid
[Cooker] [Bug 294] [OpenOffice.org] missing help module
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=294 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-02 03:25 --- The help module seemed to be missing from RC1, or were perhaps named incorrectly? --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: RC2 - opened up OpenOffice writer from menu, typed in a bunch of nonsense characters. Lightbulb icon appeared in lower right corner, indicating help was available. Clicked on icon. Large dialog appears with: Could not find Help page. (Large bold text, reverse video) Unfortunately the Help page you selected was not found. The following data could be helpful in locating the error: Help ID: 34100 Help Mod: swriter Help Org: This error message can result from the following: * The corresponding Help module is not installed. (Bold text) During installation you can choose which Help modules to install (e.g. OpenOffice.org-help-en). If you did not install all the Help modules or applications, the Help system may not be able to access the requested file.
[Cooker] [Bug 2596] [OpenOffice.org] New: openoffice hangs when lookup up help
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2596 Product: OpenOffice.org Component: OpenOffice.org Summary: openoffice hangs when lookup up help Version: 1.0.2-0.1mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: major Priority: P2 AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The help package for openoffice was not included in Mandrake 9.1 rc1. When selecting help from openoffice, openoffice hangs unless the help files are there. It seems that the help needs to be required or the hanging problem fixed --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 2224] [kdebase] Konqeror will not display text on java/javascript buttons
It is a problem with the default style. After changing KDE, Look and feel, Style, Keramik (but others work too), I get the text back in Konqueror. jim tarvid On Saturday 01 March 2003 09:11 pm, brucehunsaker wrote: > http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2224 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: > >What|Removed |Added > --- >- Summary| Konqeror will not display |Konqeror will not display > >|text on java/javascript |text on java/javascript >|buttons |buttons > > --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-02 > 03:11 --- Not just java/javascript, but any button in an HTML form has > this problem > > > > --- You are receiving this mail because: --- > You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. > > > > --- Reminder: --- > assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > status: UNCONFIRMED > creation_date: > description: > Found in MDK 9.2 RC1 > > Konqeror will not display text on java/javascript buttons
[Cooker] [drakboot] doesn't apply settings
Hi When I change my settings with drakboot and then clic ok to save, the settings are not applied (I can see it in /etc/sysconfig/autologin for instance). This bug has already been reported one week ago, I report it again because I think it has to be corrected before final 9.1 release. http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2091 Olivier Blin
[Cooker] [Bug 2224] [kdebase] Konqeror will not display text on java/javascript buttons
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2224 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Summary| Konqeror will not display |Konqeror will not display |text on java/javascript |text on java/javascript |buttons |buttons --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-02 03:11 --- Not just java/javascript, but any button in an HTML form has this problem --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: Found in MDK 9.2 RC1 Konqeror will not display text on java/javascript buttons
[Cooker] [Bug 2148] [kdebase] Wrong spacing between icons and icon text in Konqueror and on desktop
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2148 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-02 03:10 --- I can Confirm this problem exists on my system as well --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: This problem appeared with releases of kdebase past 22mdk. Upon login, (using 32x32 pixel icons), icon text is too far from the icon itself, as if the icon was bigger. Accessing Kcontrol, and just making it "apply" icon settings (even without actually change anything) fixes the problem. Konqueror as a file manager has the same problem. I'll attach a screenshot to make this report more understandable.
Re: [Cooker] Konqueror default index.html gone?
On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 17:20, Trevor Rhodes wrote: > Thomas. > > > | Does anyone know what happened to this file? > > As I stated in a previous message: > > > - Move in /usr/share/mdk > > This change should also be made to the default startup page of > > Konqueror/Mozilla/ ... > > And praytell, where do I actually find this linked at? > > Settings, Configure, Konqueror? Nope, can't find it there. I await your > response Oh kind and helpful person. > in /usr/share/mdk as the message says: /usr/share/mdk/indexhtml/index.html Open this file with your favorite browser and set it as the home page. Speaking of this page, the safari.mandrakesoft.com link does not exist. -- Quel Qun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Cooker] mozilla 1.3 problems
Le Samedi 1 Mars 2003 19:52, Francisco a écrit : > It seems that after the update to mozilla 1.3 in rc1 ShowkwaveFlass.class > is not runing anymore, in /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-1.3/plugins/ is a broken > link. > > I have used de FlasPlayer rpm from Mandrake club. Do I need other? > > > Francisco Alcaraz > Murcia (Spain) try to re run the flasplayer rpm installation now with --force option it will re register flash with the new mozilla. -- Pascal __ Running 7:27, 6 users, load average: 0.38, 0.46, 0.43 (gcc version 3.2.2 (Mandrake Linux 9.1 3.2.2-2mdk)) Kernel Linux version 2.4.21pre4-10mdkenterprise
[Cooker] kmail
clicking on a link opens the cached file in konqueror instead of opening up the link for example clicking on a message with the link http://wisp-equipment.net opens file:/home/tarvid/.kde/share/apps/kfmexec/tmp/4566.0.
Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] k3b-0.8.1-1mdk
Le Samedi 1 Mars 2003 18:21, Laurent Culioli a écrit : > Yes i know , always the same problem with new k3b release , you need to > remove .kde/share/config/k3brc and .kde/share/apps/k3b/* . thanks laurent, that works. k3b automatic programs detection (cdrecord, mkisofs etc) is broken by double slash paths bug in kdmrc. and in my machine the recorder is only detected when I am root (a permission problem on the device I guess). finally I am unable to write any audio cd completely. Either with k3b cdrecord nor k3b cdrdao, nor with any other cd recording software, it fails repeatedly on the same zone of the media. Data cd have no problems... my recorder is a samsung IDE drive in ide-scsi emulation. -- Pascal __ Running 7:15, 6 users, load average: 0.42, 0.33, 0.45 (gcc version 3.2.2 (Mandrake Linux 9.1 3.2.2-2mdk)) Kernel Linux version 2.4.21pre4-10mdkenterprise
[Cooker] Re: Religious software (respondents, religion, modules, TMiaHM)
On Sunday 02 March 2003 06:04 am, N Smethurst wrote: > Informal questionnaires like this are > always going to attract replies from proactive individuals who have a > specific interest in pushing whatever the questionnaire is talking about. True, but in this case the majority of respondents have been nonChristian, and the package started life a Christian-only. > Out of all the replies, almost all of them have been from people who follow > some type of religion. It's important to take this into account. You follow some type of religion, I guess. If it's `no-religion,' then it's really a religion called `Atheism'. To call that non-religious would be like saying zero is not a number, savvy? The alternative `no-religion' is `no-particular-religion,' and the name for that is Agnosticism. An agnostic, by definition, cannot exclude religion. > Unfortunately, this goes against much of the grain of Christianity, > which grew largely due to the activities of missionaries "converting" > people. It could be construed that the inclusion of specialist software > such as this would be the start of such a mission. The project page itself states that this is its goal. However, I would refuse to exclude software on solely religious grounds becasue that would make me *exactly* the same kind of despot as those allegedly Christian missionaries who `converted' people by force or guile. The software is also very useful as a study framework for non-religious material. Try it and see. I would specifically include it for that reason. If you still have a problem with that approach, can I strongly suggest the Open Source approach: publish nonChristian modules for use with it. ThML inherits from XML, so it shouldn't be too hard to find texts that require almost no massaging to fit. For example, if you have a paper copy of /The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress/ (Robert Heinlein) to hand, email a scan of the copyright page to show me that you own the right to use it, and I'll whisk a Sword module for it back your way. You can't get much more Atheist than Heinlein or Clarke. (-: > I'm afraid that my view on the inclusion of religion based software tools > into a distribution such as Mandrake is not a positive step. If we were shipping texts as well, I would agree (unless we shipped texts for a variety of religions, hopefully including Atheism). > It would be > far better to set up a non-official Mandrake supporters web site for > religious software, where the users are responsible for the maintenance of > a set of RPMs that install correctly on each distribution of Mandrake that > is released. Actually, it's much simpler than that. Such a site would simply Mandrake-package and provide a URPMI interface for the modules, which could be done with a script. Having the main package in the distro proper would help to ensure the uniformity of such content packages. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club ?
On Sunday 02 March 2003 00:47, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Le Samedi 1 Mars 2003 23:28, Steffen Barszus a écrit : > > > IMHO, and just contribute to global lack of coherency. Club people > > > should focus on porting, and forward new package request to > > > contributers, so as to keep one only package reference list, one only > > > package policy, and one only introduction procedure. > > > > So you mean: > > - requested packages have to go to cooker first and then rebuild for club > > Yes > Then this have to be changed. And I would be against it. Or it should be defined who is "we". Or the packages of club have to be announced on CHRPM. If a "volunteer" would package something for club he would be forced to cooker then. http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=FAQ&file=index&myfaq=yes&id_cat=4&categories=Volunteers "· What is our relation to cooker? 2. In case the application doesn't exist in cooker (or cooker/contributions) yet, please send an email to the cooker mailing list saying "I'll build this application for MandrakeClub", and then go ahead and build it. Once you are done we will take the package and add it to cooker/contributions too. " Note: To find out who's the maintainer of an RPM, please look at the changelog (rpm -q --changelog) of the RPM you are interested in. The name (and email) which appears in recent changelog entries is the one you have been looking for." > > - packages that don't appear to be possible for cooker shouldn't be > > uploaded to club (wether it is requested or not) > > I forgot the club had no license restriction. However, i'm still convinced > those package should instead go in PLF, so as to keep a unique and > non-ambiguous introduction point. > But plf relies on main/contrib, doesn't it ? Club is only one place, what do you fear ? src.rpm are available, why complicate it ? It would be nice to have club-rpm in cooker, but is it a must ? > I have no problems with the club mirroring and aggregating content from > different location, so as to sell this service to its users. What i > disagree is packages being introduced everywhere, making impossible to > track them and to propagate them to maximum extent in a rationale way. Why is club everywhere ? Maybe the proccess is unclear or the communication failed, but forcing volunteers to cooker and state it in an other way is wrong. Just my 2 ¢ -- Regards Steffen counter.li.org : #296567. machine: 181800 vdr-box : 87 Please dont CC me, since if I have replied I'll watch the tread. Both mails will be filtered to the ML-folder. Thanks
Re: Religious software (wasRe: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club ?)
On Sunday 02 March 2003 04:14 am, Götz Waschk wrote: > Am Samstag, 1. März 2003, 18:06:02 Uhr MET, schrieb Buchan Milne: >> Any other rational arguments for or against these packages? > OK. But you should be aware of the fact that some religious texts > could be more offensive that any sex, baby or condom man page :-) And it came to pass, when he began to reign, as soon as he sat on his throne, that he slew all the house of Baasha: he left him not one that pisseth against a wall, neither of his kinsfolks, nor of his friends. -- 1Kings 16:11, KJV We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts: what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for? -- Song of Solomon 8:8 That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory. -- Isaiah 66:11, KJV Perhaps it's a good thing that Mandrake ships no texts with the packages. (-: However, a few small RPMs to fetch and install some basic texts would probably be looked upon as useful. Perhaps a few of the free Bibles, and some classics like Pilgrim's Progress? I'd really like to see this package fleshed out a bit with content, as it's a great study system but needs more nonChristian content before most people will take it seriously. Cooker's probably not the place to ask this, but never mind: if you've got a favourite book text to hand, please consider converting it for use with this system. http://www.crosswire.org/sword/develop/swordmodule/index.jsp Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Konqueror default index.html gone?
Thomas. > | Does anyone know what happened to this file? > As I stated in a previous message: > > - Move in /usr/share/mdk > This change should also be made to the default startup page of > Konqueror/Mozilla/ ... And praytell, where do I actually find this linked at? Settings, Configure, Konqueror? Nope, can't find it there. I await your response Oh kind and helpful person. Regards Trevor Rhodes === Powered by Linux- Mandrake 9.1 Registered Linux user # 290542 at http://counter.li.org Registered Machine #'s 186951, Source : my 100 % Microsoft-free personal computer. === 12:18:05 up 19:16, 3 users, load average: 1.39, 1.25, 1.10 -- Kirkland, Illinois, law forbids bees to fly over the village or through any of its streets.
Re: [Cooker] Re: Religious software (censorship, Debian)
On Sunday 02 March 2003 03:38 am, Philip Webb wrote: > no problem here, provided they are neutral between religions, > ie it's a scholarly tool which allows users to study texts > which may belong to any religion, incl eg the Koran or the Talmud. > most would object -- i would strongly -- , if it contained material > which promoted one religion over others, but these seem not to do that. It doesn't contain such material, but it is structured in favour of a book-chapter-verse layout. Even if it did promote one religion in favour of others, I wouldn't exclude it on those grounds, it's not up to us to censor unless it's really going to offend people. If it included Bible texts, I might push it back out into contribs on a size basis, though (uncompressed, a Bible is roughly 3/4 million English words per translation). >> 4)Debian includes these packages. > whatever has this got to do with it (smile)? Well, Debian's a religion, kinda. (-: Cheers; Leon
[Cooker] Re: Religious software (discordian Pope, history)
On Sunday 02 March 2003 03:29 am, Élie Charest wrote: > As a semi-practicing Buddhist and fully-licensed discordian Pope, I second > that motion! (-: > Seriously, even for non-believers this can be very interesting. The Bible > and other sacred text are part of the world's heritage and culture. Plus > it's a good showcase of unicode fonts, IIRC! Not to mention a history that fits together much better than any of the Sothic-cycle-based dioramas. Cheers; Leon
Re: Religious software (wasRe: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club ?)
On Sunday 02 March 2003 12:06 am, Buchan Milne wrote: > Any other rational arguments for or against these packages? No, not really, but I'm sure there are heaps of rational-*sounding* ones, and even more rational*ist* ones. (-: So before anyone leaps on that bandwagon, let me emphasise that this software would be just as much at home presenting Origin of Species, any of Dawkin's fairytales, The Q'ran or a stack of Vedas. In fact, I'm sure the Sword project would be flattered to have people setting up these and other texts for use with it. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Konqueror default index.html gone?
From: "Trevor Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Does anyone know what happened to this file? | As I stated in a previous message: --- cut --- Subject: Re: [CHRPM] indexhtml-9.1-3mdk Viestissä Perjantai 28. Helmikuuta 2003 22:06, David BAUDENS kirjoitti: > * Thu Feb 27 2003 David BAUDENS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9.1-3mdk > > - Move in /usr/share/mdk > This change should also be made to the default startup page of Konqueror/Mozilla/ ... --- cut --- Thomas
[Cooker] Konqueror default index.html gone?
Does anyone know what happened to this file? Regards Trevor Rhodes === Powered by Linux- Mandrake 9.1 Registered Linux user # 290542 at http://counter.li.org Registered Machine #'s 186951, Source : my 100 % Microsoft-free personal computer. === 11:52:00 up 18:50, 3 users, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 0.99 -- A word to the wise is enough. -- Miguel de Cervantes
Re: [Cooker] Unable to rebuild mpeg2dec-0.3.1-2mdk.src.rpm from cooker
Le Dimanche 2 Mars 2003 00:44, Aleksander Adamowski a écrit : > Hi! > I'm trying to rebuild the mpeg2dec package (since its library causes > relocation errors in drip for me), but it fails because of missing > library "-laudio" (I cannot find anything like this, I've got all > dependent RPMs installed, and all alsa2-lib packages from cooker): urpmf tells libaudio.so is part of libnas2-devel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Knowledge]$ urpmf libaudio.so$ libnas2-devel:/usr/X11R6/lib/libaudio.so Anyway, drip doesn't build for me for missing mmx.h headers, which is quite normal as mpeg2dec is build without mmx support. I just posted on drip mailing list about this problem. -- Disks are always full. It is futile to try to get more disk space. Data expands to fill any void. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n°4
Re: [Cooker] Unable to rebuild mpeg2dec-0.3.1-2mdk.src.rpm from cooker
Aleksander Adamowski wrote: Hi! /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -laudio collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[1]: *** [sample2] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/RPM/BUILD/mpeg2dec-0.3.1/doc' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.26780 (%build) RPM build errors: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.26780 (%build) urpmf libaudio ?
Re: Religious software (wasRe: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club ?)
Le Samedi 1 Mars 2003 23:42, Timothy R. Butler a écrit : > 5.) I'm very doubtful that more people will find a program named > "BibleTime" offensive than the amount of people that find "BitchX" > offensive. I personally find pornography and religion equally offensive toward woman condition, but i agree this is not a majority opinion :-) Anyway, i strictly don't care about wich package exist, as long as nothing make them mandatory to install. -- Any cool program always requires more memory than you have. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n°2
Re: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club ?
Le sam 01/03/2003 à 19:18, Michael Scherer a écrit : > > > Newer package in PLF (yanc-0.2.0-2plf.src.rpm) Austin, is there a reason > > > why it cannot be in contrib? Other NVidia-specific software is in > > > contrib: yanc in club only as yanc-0.1.4-1mdk.src.rpm > > It's made with Kylix. > > Lenny said anything that we can't compile with gcc can't go in contribs. > > Austin Actually, it's more "anything that we can't compile only with tools in main and contribs." In the case of Kylix, it's only available for Club members, so all packages that depend on it can only go to Club, > I was trying to package a game written in pascal with fpc ( freepascal.org ), > so I should stop ? fpc is in main, so there should be no problem. Jean-Michel
Re: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club ?
Le Samedi 1 Mars 2003 23:28, Steffen Barszus a écrit : > > IMHO, and just contribute to global lack of coherency. Club people should > > focus on porting, and forward new package request to contributers, so as > > to keep one only package reference list, one only package policy, and one > > only introduction procedure. > > So you mean: > - requested packages have to go to cooker first and then rebuild for club Yes > - packages that don't appear to be possible for cooker shouldn't be > uploaded to club (wether it is requested or not) I forgot the club had no license restriction. However, i'm still convinced those package should instead go in PLF, so as to keep a unique and non-ambiguous introduction point. I have no problems with the club mirroring and aggregating content from different location, so as to sell this service to its users. What i disagree is packages being introduced everywhere, making impossible to track them and to propagate them to maximum extent in a rationale way. -- When you finally buy enough memory, you will not have enough disk space. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n°3
[Cooker] Unable to rebuild mpeg2dec-0.3.1-2mdk.src.rpm from cooker
Hi! I'm trying to rebuild the mpeg2dec package (since its library causes relocation errors in drip for me), but it fails because of missing library "-laudio" (I cannot find anything like this, I've got all dependent RPMs installed, and all alsa2-lib packages from cooker): rpm --rebuild mpeg2dec-0.3.1-2mdk.src.rpm ... /bin/sh ../libtool --mode=link gcc -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -march=i586 -mcpu=penti umpro -Wall -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -mcpu=pentium -o sample2 sample2.o ../libmpeg2 /libmpeg2.la ../libvo/libvo.a -lSM -lICE -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXext -lXv -L/usr /lib -lSDL -lpthread gcc -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -march=i586 -mcpu=pentiumpro -Wall -O3 -fomit-frame-poi nter -mcpu=pentium -o .libs/sample2 sample2.o ../libmpeg2/.libs/libmpeg2.so ../libvo/ libvo.a -lSM -lICE -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXv -L/usr/lib /usr/lib/libSDL.so /usr/lib/libaso und.so -lm -ldl -laudio -lXt -lX11 -lXext -lpthread /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -laudio collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[1]: *** [sample2] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/RPM/BUILD/mpeg2dec-0.3.1/doc' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.26780 (%build) RPM build errors: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.26780 (%build) -- Best Regards, Olo GG#: 274614 ICQ UIN: 19780575 http://olo.office.altkom.com.pl
Re: [Cooker] mozilla problems...
On Saturday 01 March 2003 05:49 pm, Rolf Pedersen wrote: > I was able to capture the strace at the freeze on a couple of occasions, > one after I had removed mozilla fonts. It seemed to be dealing with > /etc/hosts at the time, so I include that content. Excellent, another name resolution issue. Buchan, did you catch this one? -- Greg
Re: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club ?
> > Newer package in PLF (yanc-0.2.0-2plf.src.rpm) Austin, is there a reason > > why it cannot be in contrib? Other NVidia-specific software is in > > contrib: yanc in club only as yanc-0.1.4-1mdk.src.rpm > > It's made with Kylix. > Lenny said anything that we can't compile with gcc can't go in contribs. > Austin I was trying to package a game written in pascal with fpc ( freepascal.org ), so I should stop ? -- Michaël Scherer
[Cooker] [Bug 2595] [acpid] fan always run
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2595 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-02 00:11 --- Created an attachment (id=250) --> (http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/attachment.cgi?id=250&action=view) /proc/acpi tree If it helps you. I got the following message while making the archive: tar: acpi/event: ne peut open: Device or resource busy --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: I installed 'acpid' and 'acpi' packages. Then, I supressed the 'acpi=off' entry in the 'lilo.conf' file and ran 'lilo'. I restarted my laptop with the 'acpid' service launched on startup. I let my laptop running alone and came back ~2 hours later. What works: The screen and the hard disk were off. Maybe my hard disk is managed by my mother board. Moving the mouse putted my screen on. Using my files explorer waked my hard disk. What sould work: The fan always ran. My laptop Sony VAIO PCG-FX301: - CPU: AMD Duron Mobile 800MHz - Memory 256 MB - video card: ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x - video memory: 8 MB
[Cooker] [Bug 2595] [acpid] New: fan always run
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2595 Product: acpid Component: program Summary: fan always run Version: 1.0.1-3mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P2 AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I installed 'acpid' and 'acpi' packages. Then, I supressed the 'acpi=off' entry in the 'lilo.conf' file and ran 'lilo'. I restarted my laptop with the 'acpid' service launched on startup. I let my laptop running alone and came back ~2 hours later. What works: The screen and the hard disk were off. Maybe my hard disk is managed by my mother board. Moving the mouse putted my screen on. Using my files explorer waked my hard disk. What sould work: The fan always ran. My laptop Sony VAIO PCG-FX301: - CPU: AMD Duron Mobile 800MHz - Memory 256 MB - video card: ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x - video memory: 8 MB --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
[Cooker] [acpi] make nothing bad
I installed 'acpid' and 'acpi' packages. Then, I supressed the 'acpi=off' entry in the 'lilo.conf' file and ran 'lilo'. I restarted my laptop with the 'acpid' service launched on startup. I let my laptop running alone and came back ~2 hours later. What works: The screen and the hard disk were off. Maybe my hard disk is managed by my mother board. Moving the mouse putted my screen on. Using my files explorer waked my hard disk. What sould work: The fan always ran. My laptop Sony VAIO PCG-FX301: - CPU: AMD Duron Mobile 800MHz - Memory 256 MB - video card: ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x - video memory: 8 MB I hope this will help you. Jérôme
[Cooker] [Bug 1188] [Installation] Unable to choose individual packages
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1188 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|VERIFIED --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-01 23:59 --- OK in 9.1 RC1 --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: VERIFIED creation_date: description: In Mandrake 9.1beta 2, in the screen to choose packages, the display is too short. It causes the following problemes : - Cannot see the end pf tha packages list - Cannot see nor use teh Next and Previous buttons (only choice seems to reboot the machine to get out of here) In addition, when showing dependance, the window stays after confirming and is over the packages tree, it becomes ugly very fast.
Re: [Cooker] TV Cards outside of BT878
There's a saa7134 driver. It doesn't work for you, or was it just not autodetected at install? "No workies" is not really a valid bugreport. --- since i think i may have a similar problem (still not answered ) with a radeon All in wonder 7500 assuming that magic didn't happen what needs to be in what files to do this card the hard way?? and be detailed ie exact lines exact files like in /lib/modules/$kernel version/modules.conf you put
Re: [Cooker] mozilla problems...
scott wrote:
Every since I updated my laptop to cooker a couple of days ago, I've been
having a rather odd problem in Mozilla. This happens with
mozilla-1.3-0.final.20030228.1mdk. When I try to type something in the
address bar, it takes 10-30 seconds before it will actually show what I type.
This, so far as I can tell, only happens the first time you use mozilla and
type something in the address bar.
I've look around on the list and no one else seems to be having the problem,
but if anyone else notices it and can help, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks,
Scott
I noticed a freeze of the mozilla interface on cooker a couple of days
ago right after starting it and trying to type in a text box. I thought
it might be an incomplete sync and left it until today, when I saw your
report, synced, and tried again. When I click in the url bar or a text
box, I can get a blinking cursor but the interface freezes as soon as I
hit a key. This time, I waited about 3-4 minutes and it became
responsive again. After this waiting period, the url and text box (i.e.
Search at mandrakeclub.com) are useable again.
I was able to capture the strace at the freeze on a couple of occasions,
one after I had removed mozilla fonts. It seemed to be dealing with
/etc/hosts at the time, so I include that content.
$ strace mozilla
[..]
TE|MAP_FIXED, 27, 0x6000) = 0x41e86000
close(27) = 0
open("/usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/libaudiofile.so.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No
such file or directory)
open("/usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/plugins/libaudiofile.so.0", O_RDONLY) = -1
ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/usr/lib/libaudiofile.so.0", O_RDONLY) = 27
read(27, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\}\0\000"...,
1024) = 1024
fstat64(27, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=158396, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 161456, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 27, 0) = 0x4240f000
mprotect(0x42434000, 9904, PROT_NONE) = 0
old_mmap(0x42434000, 12288, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED,
27, 0x24000) = 0x42434000
close(27) = 0
munmap(0x4240, 60346) = 0
access("/tmp/.esd/socket", R_OK|W_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
socket(PF_UNIX, SOCK_STREAM, 0) = 27
connect(27, {sa_family=AF_UNIX, path="/var/run/.nscd_socket"}, 110) = -1
ENOENT (No such file or directory)
close(27) = 0
open("/etc/hosts", O_RDONLY)= 27
fcntl64(27, F_GETFD)= 0
fcntl64(27, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC)= 0
fstat64(27, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=86, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1,
0) = 0x4191c000
read(27, "10.0.0.10\t\tlocalhost.localdomain"..., 4096) = 86
read(27, "", 4096) = 0
close(27) = 0
munmap(0x4191c000, 4096)= 0
socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 27
fcntl64(27, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC)= 0
setsockopt(27, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, [1], 4) = 0
connect(27, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(16001),
sin_addr=inet_addr("10.0.0.10")}, 16
$ cat /etc/hosts
10.0.0.10 localhost.localdomain localhost
127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost
$ rpm -qa | grep mozilla
mozilla-fonts-2310-9mdk
mozilla-1.3-0.final.20030228.1mdk
mozilla-mail-1.3-0.final.20030228.1mdk
#urpme mozilla-fonts
$ strace mozilla
[..]
TE|MAP_FIXED, 26, 0x6000) = 0x4223a000
close(26) = 0
open("/usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/libaudiofile.so.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No
such file or directory)
open("/usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/plugins/libaudiofile.so.0", O_RDONLY) = -1
ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/usr/lib/libaudiofile.so.0", O_RDONLY) = 26
read(26, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\}\0\000"...,
1024) = 1024
fstat64(26, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=158396, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 161456, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 26, 0) = 0x4246d000
mprotect(0x42492000, 9904, PROT_NONE) = 0
old_mmap(0x42492000, 12288, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED,
26, 0x24000) = 0x42492000
close(26) = 0
munmap(0x422e4000, 60346) = 0
access("/tmp/.esd/socket", R_OK|W_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
socket(PF_UNIX, SOCK_STREAM, 0) = 26
connect(26, {sa_family=AF_UNIX, path="/var/run/.nscd_socket"}, 110) = -1
ENOENT (No such file or directory)
close(26) = 0
open("/etc/hosts", O_RDONLY)= 26
fcntl64(26, F_GETFD)= 0
fcntl64(26, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC)= 0
fstat64(26, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=86, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1,
0) = 0x4191c000
read(26, "10.0.0.10\t\tlocalhost.localdomain"..., 4096) = 86
read(26, "", 4096) = 0
close(26) = 0
munmap(0x4191c000, 4096)= 0
socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM,
Re: Religious software (wasRe: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club ?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > Would people you know be more interested in using Mandrake (over > Windows/RH/SuSE/Debian) if these packages were included? Yes. Obviously, I'm already using Mandrake, however. > Any other rational arguments for or against these packages? Yes, there are good arguments for inclusion, IMO. First a word about my particular bias. I have made a few insignificant contributions to the BibleTime Project and even less significant contributions to GnomeSword. They really aren't enough to be notable, but I want to be upfront with my position. 1.) As you said, many users already use this. I think its position on the Club speaks volumes about the amount of users that really want it included (as there are obviously many groups who want their favorite project included). 2.) As you also note, the software isn't only usable for texts of a certain religion. 3.) Even if we take it only as Bible software, there are many secular uses for Bible software: academic study of religion usage, psychological research, sociological research, etc. Hey, even many atheists keep a copy of the Bible around so they can debate against it! A.) From a religious stand point probably a good portion of Mandrake's users who are religious are Christian (that'd be me), Jewish, or Islamic, and all of these can benefit from these tools as well. 4.) Not only does Debian include it, Lindows includes a similar package as well. SuSE doesn't include any Bible software, but it does include a Qu'ranic prayer schedule tool and some related stuff. 5.) I'm very doubtful that more people will find a program named "BibleTime" offensive than the amount of people that find "BitchX" offensive. > (remember, there are a significant number of Mandrake users who already > use the software, and a significant number of club members have voted for > it, so please do not use arguments such as "how would they feel if we > included satanic or other offensive software", unless such material has > been requested by a large number of users on the club or on this list). Agreed. -Tim - -- - Timothy R. Butler[EMAIL PROTECTED] Universal Networks http://www.uninet.info Christian Portal and Search Tool: http://www.faithtree.com Enterprise Open Source Journal: http://www.ofb.biz -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+YTdQK37Cns9gJ0gRAii8AJ0RRG720OBE9YA1k14fRVi7SkUKDACgluA+ AeXOEvPIqPKiZlw9ZMeo6RE= =doiO -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[Cooker] [Bug 2594] [Installation] New: Upgrade behavior ?
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2594 Product: Installation Component: Installation Summary: Upgrade behavior ? Version: 1.799 Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P2 AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not sure if this is a bug, but it is definitely not what I expected... I thought I would test "upgrade", which I've never used before, by upgrading an older cooker system to a newer one. The target system was a cooker from about a week ago, and the CDs were from yesterday. All seemed to go normally until I got a dialog message about "looking for packages to upgrade", after which I got the skeleton of the package install progress bar, except that there was no package name, no time estimate, and no number of packages. After a few seconds, the display switched to "post-install processing", and then displayed the Summary screen. I would swear that no packages were installed, in spite of the fact that the system being upgraded had every install category checked initially, and I know for a fact that there was a kernel upgrade to cooker in the interim. Quite a bit of time was spent "looking for packages to upgrade and rebuilding the rpm database", but there was no real disk activity to speak of. Is upgrade only supposed to be version to version, or should this upgrade attempt have refreshed all of the cooker packages which had changed between the initial install and when I burned the CDs I used ? BTW, I also tried this on a second system which was only a few days older than the CDs, with the same result. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
[Cooker] howto-html-fi-9.1-0.1mdk
As suggested by Thierry I uploaded this to /incoming since they don't exist on a single site, instead they are collected from different servers... I'm planning on posting them on my own site, alternatively get them posted on ibiblio.org, but that wont happend for a couple of weeks ... Hopefully they'll get into main at some point... (since I guess it's too late for 9.1...) %changelog * Sat Mar 01 2003 Thomas Backlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9.1-0.1mdk - first mdk build - specs and look based on howto-html 9.1-0.6mdk -- Thomas ** * If nothing else works, read the manual ... ... ... **
[Cooker] [Bug 2593] [speedtouch] New: restarting speedtouch service disable USB mouse
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2593 Product: speedtouch Component: program Summary: restarting speedtouch service disable USB mouse Version: 1.2-1mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P2 AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My ADSL link was down. In order to restart my connection, I launched '/usr/share/speedtouch/speedtouch.sh restart'. Then my USB mouse did not work anymore. I had to restart USB service so that it works again. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
Re: Religious software (wasRe: [Cooker] what's the mess with theclub ?)
Le sam 01/03/2003 à 18:04, N Smethurst a écrit : > > > Ahh put an "Aye" here too, IMHO it is far better to include than to > > > exclude. > > I am going to be the bad guy who says that in my eyes, religious > > material is much more perverted than sexually explicit stuff. > > I would prefer religious texts to be left out of contribs if some other > > things are censored. > I'm afraid that my view on the inclusion of religion based software tools into > a distribution such as Mandrake is not a positive step. It would be far > better to set up a non-official Mandrake supporters web site for religious > software, where the users are responsible for the maintenance of a set of There is a big difference between censoring useless satiric stuff that was added to a package installed by default in the main distro (man pages), and adding a package in the Contribs. IMHO, the more packages we include in Contribs, the more value Mandrake gives to its users. No matter if it's audio stuff, religious stuff (which are both useless to me since I don't use them, but are useful to other people), or server stuff (which is very important to be but useless to other people). Jean-Michel
[Cooker] [Bug 2439] [drakconf] Menudarke : Problem of configuration user
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2439 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-01 23:30 --- I don't think there is any problem here. root usually does not want pierre to have the right to open a window on its/her/his desktop. As a dirty workaround, you should be able to use 'xhost localhost' or use xauth to pass the proper magic cookie from root to pierre. =o= kk1 On Fri, 2003-02-28 at 15:13, jarillon wrote: --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: NEW creation_date: description: Step to reproduce = Start MCC, go on system menu and start Menudrake. In option user menu, choose user "A" (or other than root), click on configure button. Menudrake doesn't start ! If you try with root user it works fine.
Re: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club ?
On Saturday 01 March 2003 23:12, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Le Samedi 1 Mars 2003 16:53, Buchan Milne a écrit : > > On Sat, 1 Mar 2003, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > > > I thought original club vocation was to port packages from cooker main > > > and contrib to current stable version. However, a quick look at the > > > MandrakeClub directory for 9.0 on mirrors shows they are actually many > > > packages there that are totally new: see enclosed list. > > > > Actually, both. If people in Mandrake Club request RPMs that are not > > currently packaged anywhere, a volunteer is supposed to package for > > Mandrake Club, have the requester/voters test it, and once he has some > > feedback, make it available for others, both via the "free" section > > (which goes to mandrake-devel mirrors) and hopefully to cooker contrib > > also(if applicable). > > Allowing to introduce package directly at club level is plainly stupid ??? > IMHO, and just contribute to global lack of coherency. Club people should > focus on porting, and forward new package request to contributers, so as to > keep one only package reference list, one only package policy, and one only > introduction procedure. > So you mean: - requested packages have to go to cooker first and then rebuild for club - packages that don't appear to be possible for cooker shouldn't be uploaded to club (wether it is requested or not) ??? Sorry I really don't understand what you mean, I guess I get it false. > > > I feel this is counter-intuitive, error-prone, and duplicated effort. > > > Are we supposed to port them in contrib now ? > > > > Preferably club-volunteers should do this, but feel free to jump in at > > this stage. I think Austin, Danny's and my packages are all in, plus > > Austin and I did most of thac's stuff. I will take a look at the list > > now. > > > > Porting to cooker has been mentioned on the club-volunteers list, but > > none of those with packages not in cooker replied. > > Not a big surprise, considering lack of relationship between those two > different communities. -- Regards Steffen counter.li.org : #296567. machine: 181800 vdr-box : 87 Please dont CC me, since if I have replied I'll watch the tread. Both mails will be filtered to the ML-folder. Thanks
Re: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club ?
Le Samedi 1 Mars 2003 16:53, Buchan Milne a écrit : > On Sat, 1 Mar 2003, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > > I thought original club vocation was to port packages from cooker main > > and contrib to current stable version. However, a quick look at the > > MandrakeClub directory for 9.0 on mirrors shows they are actually many > > packages there that are totally new: see enclosed list. > > Actually, both. If people in Mandrake Club request RPMs that are not > currently packaged anywhere, a volunteer is supposed to package for > Mandrake Club, have the requester/voters test it, and once he has some > feedback, make it available for others, both via the "free" section (which > goes to mandrake-devel mirrors) and hopefully to cooker contrib also(if > applicable). Allowing to introduce package directly at club level is plainly stupid IMHO, and just contribute to global lack of coherency. Club people should focus on porting, and forward new package request to contributers, so as to keep one only package reference list, one only package policy, and one only introduction procedure. > > I feel this is counter-intuitive, error-prone, and duplicated effort. Are > > we supposed to port them in contrib now ? > > Preferably club-volunteers should do this, but feel free to jump in at > this stage. I think Austin, Danny's and my packages are all in, plus > Austin and I did most of thac's stuff. I will take a look at the list now. > > Porting to cooker has been mentioned on the club-volunteers list, but none > of those with packages not in cooker replied. Not a big surprise, considering lack of relationship between those two different communities. -- The speed with which components become obsolete is directly proportional to the price of the component. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n°9
[Cooker] [Bug 1316] [evolution] under 9.1b3 Evolution GPG signatures are invalid
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1316 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-01 23:10 --- No postfix installed here. I just sent to messages to cooker with evolution-1.2.2-1mdk. One of the two messages has a broken signature. Looking back at the few messages I still have in the inbox, roughly 50% of my sigs cannot be authentified. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: NEW creation_date: description: 9.1 Beta 3: With Evolution 1.2.1-1mdk, when I sign a message with GPG, even a simple one line one to myself, the signature does not verify. Others are also unable to verify the signature. 9.1 Beta 2: Since Evolution was not on this set, I grabbed the packages from Ximian for 1.2.1 and GPG signatures worked. 9.1 Beta 1 This was also Evolution 1.2.1-1mdk and GPG signatures did verify under this.
Re: [Cooker] ardour
On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 13:54, Austin Acton wrote: > On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 16:30, Quel Qun wrote: > > Is there any existing documentation? Could anyone who got everything > > working spend some time to write a quick dirty step by step mini how-to? > > That would be nice, > > You know what... I think I'll do that. > I will write a multimedia-workstation howto for Mandrake 9.1. > It will include at least kernel/ardour/jack but I would also like to add > PLF/cinelerra/mplayer, in which case I would have to host it myself, not > on any Mandrake servers. But that's okay. > It should be possible to make an rpm out of this doc and have it hosted on plf? > I spent ALL morning trying to get my new cinelerra rpm to compile on > 9.0. No luck so far. That program is a bastard. > Everyone seems to agree with you. It looks good when it runs however. -- Quel Qun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Religious software (wasRe: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club ?)
> > Ahh put an "Aye" here too, IMHO it is far better to include than to > > exclude. > > Depends on what. This is very partial reasoning. > I am going to be the bad guy who says that in my eyes, religious > material is much more perverted than sexually explicit stuff. > I would prefer religious texts to be left out of contribs if some other > things are censored. I'm also a little concerned here. Informal questionnaires like this are always going to attract replies from proactive individuals who have a specific interest in pushing whatever the questionnaire is talking about. Out of all the replies, almost all of them have been from people who follow some type of religion. It's important to take this into account. I am not religious in the sense of following a predefined path of religious guidance. However, I am not against the idea of others following religion if their activities do not affect others. Unfortunately, this goes against much of the grain of Christianity, which grew largely due to the activities of missionaries "converting" people. It could be construed that the inclusion of specialist software such as this would be the start of such a mission. I'm afraid that my view on the inclusion of religion based software tools into a distribution such as Mandrake is not a positive step. It would be far better to set up a non-official Mandrake supporters web site for religious software, where the users are responsible for the maintenance of a set of RPMs that install correctly on each distribution of Mandrake that is released. Such a web site could also provide links/files to the texts that you speak of that are required for the software to be any use. Since it would be necessary to downloaded these files, it would make sense to put the software RPMs there too.
[Cooker] [Bug 2592] [drakxtools] New: Swedish keyboard translation does not work
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2592 Product: drakxtools Component: libsasl2-plug-ntlm Summary: Swedish keyboard translation does not work Version: 9.1-11mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P2 AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9.1 RC1 I use US language dialog, due to earlier reported bug. I have selected Swedish Keyboard configuration, the system uses US keyboard configuration. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
Re: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club ?
On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 16:54, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > > It's made with Kylix. > > Lenny said anything that we can't compile with gcc can't go in contribs. > Why could it go in club then ? Why not? The club has lots of binary-only apps. Unless you meant why couldn't it go in the club, in which case the answer is: it's already there. The srpm is just a fancy wrapper for the binary and required libs really. I tried downloading kylix and exporting the code, but porting it to GNU tools is not as easy as it sounds. Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] ardour
On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 16:30, Quel Qun wrote: > Is there any existing documentation? Could anyone who got everything > working spend some time to write a quick dirty step by step mini how-to? > That would be nice, You know what... I think I'll do that. I will write a multimedia-workstation howto for Mandrake 9.1. It will include at least kernel/ardour/jack but I would also like to add PLF/cinelerra/mplayer, in which case I would have to host it myself, not on any Mandrake servers. But that's okay. I spent ALL morning trying to get my new cinelerra rpm to compile on 9.0. No luck so far. That program is a bastard. Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club ?
Le Samedi 1 Mars 2003 17:54, Austin Acton a écrit : > On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 11:34, Buchan Milne wrote: > > Newer package in PLF (yanc-0.2.0-2plf.src.rpm) Austin, is there a reason > > why it cannot be in contrib? Other NVidia-specific software is in > > contrib: yanc in club only as yanc-0.1.4-1mdk.src.rpm > > It's made with Kylix. > Lenny said anything that we can't compile with gcc can't go in contribs. Why could it go in club then ? -- All components become obsolete. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n°8
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 2564] [Installation] New: leveraging political awareness during the installation process
On Saturday 01 March 2003 11:45 am, Jon wrote: > > In 2001, Richard Stallman and Jacques Le Marois have agreed that future > > releases of Mandrake Linux would introduce the user to the danger of > > software patents by a special screen during the installation process. > > However, this feature has not been integrated, to my knowledge. Is it due > > to a change in policy, or lack of time ? > > As an author and supporter of free software, and a Mandrake Linux user, I > > am strongly in favor of such a feature which would also underline the > > commitment of Mandrake to free software philosophy. > > As a Mandrake user I want a good stable distrobution and am not in the > least bit interested in reading someones political agenda during > installation. I see enough political crap in the newpapers everyday. > There are plenty of other means of getting this message across in news > groups and other media. > > Please keep the installation process as clean and orderly as possible!!! > > And before any flames come my way, I AM a supporter of free software. > > Jon No flames from here, Jon - I'm in COMPLETE agreement - the installation is the first thing most new users see. I don't think it's the appropriate place to jam the Free Software concept down their throats. Vincent Meyer
Re: [Cooker] ardour
On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 13:36, Austin Acton wrote: > On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 16:30, Quel Qun wrote: > > I am having a bit of troubles getting all this multimedia software > > working together and I don't really have much time to spend on it. > > Is there any existing documentation? Could anyone who got everything > > working spend some time to write a quick dirty step by step mini how-to? > > That would be nice, > > I think what people are missing, is that we will be the ONLY distro > where you can set up a professional audio workstation with only FOUR > commands, out of the box. > > # urpmi kernel-multimedia jackd-realtime ardour > # reboot > (choose multimedia kernel at boot time, or set as default) > $ jackstart -d alsa -d hw:0 & > $ ardour > > Not even debian can say that. > > Austin > P.S. This assumes we get the damn kernel into contribs. jackd-realtime > is ready to upload as soon as the kernel is committed. Ah, you just made us drool for something that we cannot get right now! Well, I will just let my keyboard dry then ;) Thanks for the heads up and all your work. -- Quel Qun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[Cooker] [Bug 2580] [drakxtools] scannerdrake never starts from control center
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2580 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-01 22:40 --- If you start it from the command line, you will see that it is not installed. In my case, it installed itself and was fine. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: 9.1 RC1 - tried to start scannerdrake from control panel. Graphics indicate program is starting, but nothing happens. Tried turning on logging option before starting, but no messages are displayed.
Re: [Cooker] ardour
On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 16:30, Quel Qun wrote: > I am having a bit of troubles getting all this multimedia software > working together and I don't really have much time to spend on it. > Is there any existing documentation? Could anyone who got everything > working spend some time to write a quick dirty step by step mini how-to? > That would be nice, I think what people are missing, is that we will be the ONLY distro where you can set up a professional audio workstation with only FOUR commands, out of the box. # urpmi kernel-multimedia jackd-realtime ardour # reboot (choose multimedia kernel at boot time, or set as default) $ jackstart -d alsa -d hw:0 & $ ardour Not even debian can say that. Austin P.S. This assumes we get the damn kernel into contribs. jackd-realtime is ready to upload as soon as the kernel is committed. -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
[Cooker] [Bug 1751] [kdevelop] kdevelop-2.1.5-2mdk has conflicts with autoconf, automake
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1751 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-01 22:38 --- I tried uninstalling auto* and kdevelop and reinstalling automake-1.4, both autoconf and kdevelop ignoring conflict and that does work. KDevelop complains that support for autoconf2.13 will soon be dropped, but it functions. I previously had automake-1.6 (sorry, I called it 1.5 before) and this gave the errors I reported before. Something I have not yet tried is forcing autoconf-2.5 usage in Kdevelop whilst automake-1.4 is installed to see if that works. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: NEW creation_date: description: Forcing an install, KDevelop seems to work fine with automake1.6, and autoconf2.5 eg. > rpm -Uvh kdevelop-2.1.5-2mdk.i586.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > automake1.6 conflicts with kdevelop-2.1.5-2mdk > autoconf2.5 conflicts with kdevelop-2.1.5-2mdk > [EMAIL PROTECTED] RPMS]# rpm -Uvh --nodeps kdevelop-2.1.5-2mdk.i586.rpm > Preparing... ### [100%] >1:kdevelop ### [100%]
[Cooker] jackd and kernel-mm
Okay, here's a simple test that gives a clear picture of how jack-realtime and the multimedia kernel work together. Test system: celeron 750, 256MB, cooker Benchmark: run jackd and ardour, record some music, record a second track (with full duplex), playback, then open galeon and oowriter at the same time, count the number of xruns (jack buffer underruns) Results: cooker kernel, cooker jackd: countless xruns, between 10 and 150 msec cooker kernel, cooker jackd (realtime option, as root): 3 xruns, 150-160 msec each mm kernel, cooker jackd: countless xruns, between 10 and 50 msec mm kernel, jackd-realtime (as user): not one single xrun So the results are very conclusive. mm kernel reduces the latency (by up to 100 msec per xrun!), and jackd-realtime eliminates 99% to 100% of the xruns. Plus Danny's beautiful kernel allows jackd-realtime to run as non-root. This is beautiful. The Mandrake Audio Workstation is born. We mock specialty distros. We laugh out loud at them. Daily. Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] ardour
On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 13:07, Austin Acton wrote: > I'm freaking out here. > I finally got around to trying ardour today. It's AMAZING. > Up yours Cakewalk! :-) > It's a bit crashy, but if you remember what NOT to do, it runs fine. > Sound is great. Works great even without the multimedia kernel, but > better with. I'll report of comparisons later. > Gotta go record a song I wrote a month ago, but I was wating for > audacity to become usable. So much for that. > > Moral of the story is, getting our > ardour/jack-realtime/kernel-multimedia setup for 9.1 is going to be SO > worth it! > Austin, I am having a bit of troubles getting all this multimedia software working together and I don't really have much time to spend on it. Is there any existing documentation? Could anyone who got everything working spend some time to write a quick dirty step by step mini how-to? That would be nice, -- Quel Qun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[Cooker] [Bug 2315] [OpenOffice.org] will not start
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2315 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-01 22:30 --- Hey Cory, That is the exact same error I get. The only diff is I was running OO 1.02 on mandrake 9.1rc1 (from rpm). Steve _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: Will not start at all, errors out. system is mandrake 9.1 rc1 on ibm thinkpad. Note that openoffice 1.02 installed from source has no problems
Re: Religious software (wasRe: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club ?)
On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 04:03 am, tarvid wrote: > On Saturday 01 March 2003 11:06 am, Buchan Milne wrote: > > So, before I go and add these to cooker contrib, what are the feelings > > here. > > i vote aye > > and i'm a non-practicing taoist > > jim tarvid I see no problem. If it's free software, it's fine. Lazy Buddhist:^) Regards Trevor Rhodes
[Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] kcpuload-1.9.1-2mdk
Any chance at 1.99? Contribs aren't frozen yet. http://lists.kde.com/pipermail/apps-announce/2002q4/004403.html --- Laurent MONTEL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Contrib-RPM] > Name: kcpuload > Version : 1.9.1 > Release : 2mdk __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
Re: Religious software (wasRe: [Cooker] what's the mess with theclub ?)
On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 11:16, et wrote: > On Saturday 01 March 2003 12:03 pm, tarvid wrote: > > On Saturday 01 March 2003 11:06 am, Buchan Milne wrote: > > > So, before I go and add these to cooker contrib, what are the feelings > > > here. > > > > i vote aye > > > > and i'm a non-practicing taoist > > > > jim tarvid > Ahh put an "Aye" here too, IMHO it is far better to include than to exclude. > Depends on what. This is very partial reasoning. I am going to be the bad guy who says that in my eyes, religious material is much more perverted than sexually explicit stuff. I would prefer religious texts to be left out of contribs if some other things are censored. -- Quel Qun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[Cooker] Re: gtetrinet
Lenny makes this package, you should make sure to tell him (I CC'd him with this reply) BLINDAUER Emmanuel wrote: The current gtetrinet currently segfault. A rebuild should solve the problem.
[Cooker] [Bug 2591] [drakconf] New: ADSL conf: Never prompted for a password
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2591 Product: drakconf Component: drakconf Summary: ADSL conf: Never prompted for a password Version: 9.1-4mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P2 AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I upgraded my 9.0 to 9.1RC1. My old ADSL connection hasn't been detected and I tried to configure it again. I opened Mandrake Control Center, choose network and then the wizard. Chose ADSL, inserted all the parameters, that were prompted. Mandrake tested the connection, but it didn't work, which wasn't that surprising, cause Mandrake never prompted for my password! After I added the password to /etc/ppp/pap-secrets it works. This may be related to bug 2131, but I'm not able to confirm this. Btw., the old connections from 9.0 were in /etc/ppp/pap-secrets and could have been used by Mandrake. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
Re: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club ?
On Sat, 1 Mar 2003, Buchan Milne wrote: On Sat, 1 Mar 2003, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > I thought original club vocation was to port packages from cooker main and > contrib to current stable version. However, a quick look at the MandrakeClub > directory for 9.0 on mirrors shows they are actually many packages there that > are totally new: see enclosed list. > > I feel this is counter-intuitive, error-prone, and duplicated effort. Are we > supposed to port them in contrib now ? > cthumb in club only as cthumb-4.2-2mdk.src.rpm Requires svgalib: ele in club only as ele-2.01-1mdk.src.rpm erlang_otp in club only as erlang_otp-R9B-3mdk.src.rpm esdl in club only as esdl-0.93.0131-1mdk.src.rpm euchre in club only as euchre-0.5-4mdk.src.rpm ExEf in club only as ExEf-1.14-1mdk.src.rpm gfm in club only as gfm-1.0-1mdk.src.rpm See seperate discussion: gnomesword in club only as gnomesword-0.7.6-1mdk.src.rpm goats in club only as goats-2.0-2mdk.src.rpm kmess in club only as kmess-0.9.8-1mdk.src.rpm kwifimanager in club only as kwifimanager-1.0.1-1mdk.src.rpm lighthouseblue in club only as lighthouseblue-0.4.2-1mdk.src.rpm This on depends on Kylix: novelclient in club only as novelclient-0.8.1-1mdk.src.rpm quakeforge in club only as quakeforge-0.5.2-1mdk.src.rpm quakeforge in club only as quakeforge-0.5.2-4mdk.src.rpm rosegarden4-0.8.5-1mdk.i586.rpm in contrib: rosegarden-4 in club only as rosegarden-4-0.8.5-2mdk.src.rpm sqlgui in club only as sqlgui-0.5.0-1mdk.src.rpm sqlguimysql in club only as sqlguimysql-0.1-1mdk.src.rpm sqlguipart in club only as sqlguipart-0.5.0-1mdk.src.rpm sqlguipgsql in club only as sqlguipgsql-0.1-1mdk.src.rpm stompboxes2 in club only as stompboxes2-0.3-1mdk.src.rpm Depreceted?: svgalib in club only as svgalib-1.4.3-3mdk.src.rpm See seperate discussion: sword in club only as sword-1.5.5-1mdk.src.rpm wings in club only as wings-0.98.07d-1mdk.src.rpm Newer package in PLF (yanc-0.2.0-2plf.src.rpm) Austin, is there a reason why it cannot be in contrib? Other NVidia-specific software is in contrib: yanc in club only as yanc-0.1.4-1mdk.src.rpm Regards, Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
[Cooker] ardour
I'm freaking out here. I finally got around to trying ardour today. It's AMAZING. Up yours Cakewalk! :-) It's a bit crashy, but if you remember what NOT to do, it runs fine. Sound is great. Works great even without the multimedia kernel, but better with. I'll report of comparisons later. Gotta go record a song I wrote a month ago, but I was wating for audacity to become usable. So much for that. Moral of the story is, getting our ardour/jack-realtime/kernel-multimedia setup for 9.1 is going to be SO worth it! Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
[Cooker] [Bug 2590] [Installation] New: Loop in defining user accounts in Swedish
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2590 Product: Installation Component: i18n Summary: Loop in defining user accounts in Swedish Version: 1.799 Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: blocker Priority: P2 AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] When user accounts are to defined in Swedish (selected swedish installation), the Next button is not within the form. This means that the dialog can never be terminated. The text seems to too large on the other buttons. I had to restart installation, this time in English in order to get around. The first time i did an update, no accounts at were defined. Next time I did a total install. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
[Cooker] Re: problem :mplayer installation
Guillaume Rousse wrote: Le Samedi 1 Mars 2003 02:52, idrissa kone a écrit : hi i am a new linux-mandrake user.and i tried to install mplayer by compiling it under mandrake 8.1. but ask for downgrading the gcc ,think i haven't donc(so i compile it with no gcc checking option) but at the end of the installation i can view nor hear video and sound .just some noise . I remember there was some problems with gcc-2.96, especially depending of the exact release of the mdk package. I am running gcc-2.96-0.73mdk on Mandrake 8.1 (sorta, lots of pieces upgraded to Cooker 'bout halfway between 8.1 and 8.2) and I compiled both mplayer 0.60 and 0.90-rc3 and they work just fine. so i was asking what's wrong with do i have really to downgrade my gcc version or not .and also is this sure for my mandrake ? I would rather advice to upgrade your distro, as 8.1 is quite old now, provided you can download more recent one. Otherwise, you'd better update your gcc version rather than downgrade it, maybe just by rebuild current gcc src package. i would like really very clear explanation. i am computerscience student in senegal and we use here to work with windows.we have some notion in linux by some of our french teacher who come in senegal for us but now none of them are here and i am the only one who want to continue with it Let's see if someone else on cooker list has better idea... I'd say just try different video and audio output plugins. mplayer -vo help for a video plugin list and mplayer -ao help for an audio plugin list
[Cooker] [Bug 467] [speedtouch] Speedtouch.sh line 152 typo ...
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-01 21:57 --- OK in Mdk 9.1 RC1 (file moved to /usr/share/speedtouch/ ) --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: Line 152 of the speetouch.sh located in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts of the mandrake 9.0 . There is a value to be set to a return variable, it should be "variable=0" instead of $variable=0 . Small bug, just a typo ;-).
[Cooker] [Bug 311] [kdebase] kdm sets wrong PATH
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=311 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-01 21:50 --- I agree this should be fixed, but also if it breaks any applications, those apps are broken too (and their authors should probably be notified). --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: NEW creation_date: description: PATH entry in /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc is mangled (repeated entries, double slashes) and contains the current directory.
[Cooker] [Bug 2574] [Hardware] mdk91.rc1(8.x too): presario 705EA do not reboot system
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2574 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-01 21:53 --- This is a fault in the Presario bios implementation of ACPI (power control). In order to get a fully functioning system you need to rebuild the kernel and leave out APIC (not ACPI). For a detailed how-to see my website http://individual.utoronto.ca/noyes/projects/laptop/tuxtop.html Also please bug the Compaq people to release a new bios version. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: when reboot the system on the screen you see Compaq logo you see access to HD and nothing more Portable computer presario 705EA 1 GHz Athlon 256 MB RAM DVD/CD-RW rtl8139
Re: [Cooker] Re: Religious software
On Sat, 1 Mar 2003, Charles Shirley wrote: > On Saturday 01 March 2003 14:38, Philip Webb wrote: > > Also provided they are not installed by default Nothing in contrib is installed by default. >, and should be > listed under some "Educational Software" group. That is an issue. At present it seems "Applications/Text tools" is the best group? > These packages > are able to support the writings of any religeon? Any reference material (AFAIK). > If so, it > may require some effort to collect the writings of some of the > more obscure belief systems in the correct format. I don't think it is our responsibility to do anything relating to any texts/writings, it is up to the user to download any "modules" they desire. Regards, Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
[Cooker] [Bug 1751] [kdevelop] kdevelop-2.1.5-2mdk has conflicts with autoconf, automake
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1751 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-01 21:50 --- I believe the kdevelop package is patched to allow it to work with old autoconf/automake. Can you verify the package also works with the newer ones if you install it and override the conflict? --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: NEW creation_date: description: Forcing an install, KDevelop seems to work fine with automake1.6, and autoconf2.5 eg. > rpm -Uvh kdevelop-2.1.5-2mdk.i586.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > automake1.6 conflicts with kdevelop-2.1.5-2mdk > autoconf2.5 conflicts with kdevelop-2.1.5-2mdk > [EMAIL PROTECTED] RPMS]# rpm -Uvh --nodeps kdevelop-2.1.5-2mdk.i586.rpm > Preparing... ### [100%] >1:kdevelop ### [100%]
Re: [Cooker] Re: Religious software
On Saturday 01 March 2003 15:02, Charles Shirley wrote: > These packages > are able to support the writings of any religeon? If so, it > may require some effort to collect the writings of some of the > more obscure belief systems in the correct format. If sword provides an agnostic frontend for comparative litereature study (meaning it does not care about the content of the text it uses, only the formatting of it), then it is only incumbent on the community of interested people to provide texts formatted for use with it. The texts could be religious or secular. It would be simply a tool; others provide the material to be examined using it. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Run with scissors. Remove mattress tags. Top post. Be a rebel.
[Cooker] [Bug 1442] [bind] named.ca out of date
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1442 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|VERIFIED --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-01 21:48 --- OK in Mdk 9.1 RC1 --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: VERIFIED creation_date: description: Th file named.ca in Mandrake 9.1 beta 3 is out of date. The last version is 20021105. The difference between this two files is that the J-ROOT-SERVER has changed.
[Cooker] LTSP 4.0 Alpha2 -LTSP Build Environment - Bash won't compile
LTSP has created a Build environment for creating applications which run natively on the thin clients. I've tried to compile their build environment on Mandrake 9.1rc1 and it fails to compile Bash. I had to install bison first. Then the LTSP folks suggested that I try compiling their version of gcc 3.2 instead of using 3.2.2 that Mandrake provides. Anyway, I really Like LTSP. I think that it's going to make _Huge_ inroads into government agencies. In my opinion, Mandrake is the best free desktop OS out there and I want to ensure that LTSP and Mandrake get along well together. Since LTSP is still considering their code alpha, there's time to iron these incompatibilities out before both of you release your final versions. Thanks for your consideration. Sincerely, Joe Baker President, Digital Communications Research, Inc. P.O. Box 473 Hales Corners, WI 53130 414-788-8284
Re: [Cooker] Lyx 1.3 (with QT frontend)?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 28 February 2003 20:41, you wrote: > Le Samedi 1 Mars 2003 01:09, vous avez écrit : > > I asked about this a day after the Mandrake rc1 release. I was told that > > after rc1 only new releases which are specifically bugfixes would be > > updated. > > > > Sascha Noyes > > but surely Xforms->QT could be considered a bugfix?? :) LOL. Yes, I consider it a bugfix. Sascha Noyes - -- Please encrypt all correspondence. PGP key available from: http://individual.utoronto.ca/noyes/snoyes.asc - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+YRrrgzJdfX+cTW8RAoaZAJ9n0nVB2oqz/C2AW0gZ9qEOcN9VJwCgs3X7 qXwKY4sb30tN5pFKzxnff4A= =at01 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[Cooker] KDE Control Panel, Konquerer, Previews, File rags display
On yesterdays cooker, KDE Control Panel, Konquerer, Previews, File provokes constant update of the content panel. I can barely imageine the grief involved in polling for content change and the complexity of catching all the "change" signals is a daunting thought too. jim tarvid
[Cooker] [Bug 282] [autofs] Mandrake 9.0 RC2 : spurious accesses to /home/baudens
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=282 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-01 21:40 --- What does that have to do with this bug? --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: NEW creation_date: description: I think this is not an autofs problem, but automount reveal it. On Mandrake 9.0rc2, some software attempt to access to /home/baudens. This is not a big problem, except my /home is under automount. So, 20 or more times on a burst, my server complains about no existent directory for NFS mount. With 70 computer on network, this is hard... This happens when using KDE, but I can't figure if it is involved. On Mandrake 8.1, same problem, but with /home/lmontel ! Otherwise, autofs and NFS is OK, opposite to MDK8.2 ! Thanks.
[Cooker] [Bug 2589] [Installation] New: Printer Canon S520 not detected properly
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2589 Product: Installation Component: hardware Summary: Printer Canon S520 not detected properly Version: 1.799 Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P2 AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did an update from 9.0 to 9.1RC1. The Canon S 520 was shown correctly on USB, but the driver for some different Canon model was installed (which didn't work). After installation printer drake discovered an S520 too, but the told, that no suitable driver is available and showed a list of possible other drivers. I chose an S500 then (which kind of worked, back is not more than grey, but better than nothing ..) --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
[Cooker] [Bug 2588] [drakxtools] New: Mouse pointer is garbled
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2588 Product: drakxtools Component: mousedrake Summary: Mouse pointer is garbled Version: 9.1-11mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P2 AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did an upgrade from 9.0 with 9.1 RC1. The mouse pointer is correct sometimes, but totally garbled often. It shows kind of a 64 * 64 pix black/white random noise ;-) Im not sure, if this just happens, when the shape of the mouse pointer changes. I guess, this happens too often. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
[Cooker] [Bug 2488] [Installation] Installation process froze during packages selection
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2488 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-01 21:19 --- I tried again to install Mdk 9.1 RC1 In fact, the dependencies dialog box stays in front but I can select others packages and complete the install. An other way to avoid the problem is to select dchp-common prior to dhcp-client which prevents the dialog box from poping up --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: The installation process of the latest Mdk 9.1 RC1 on my Sony Vaio laptop (pcg- fx301) froze during the individual packages selection (expert mode) when I have selected the LinNeighboroud program. The dependance's window appear and my keyboard and touchpad became inefficient. Impossible to do something else than turn off power.
Re: Religious software (wasRe: [Cooker] what's the mess with the club ?)
Am Samstag, 1. März 2003, 18:06:02 Uhr MET, schrieb Buchan Milne: > Any other rational arguments for or against these packages? OK. But you should be aware of the fact that some religious texts could be more offensive that any sex, baby or condom man page :-) -- Götz Waschk <> master of computer science <> University of Rostock http://wwwtec.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/waschk.asc for PGP key --> Logout Fascism! <--
Re: [Cooker] Re: Religious software
On Saturday 01 March 2003 14:38, Philip Webb wrote: >no problem here, provided they are neutral between religions, >ie it's a scholarly tool which allows users to study texts >which may belong to any religion, incl eg the Koran or the Talmud. >most would object -- i would strongly -- , if it contained material >which promoted one religion over others, but these seem not to do that. Also provided they are not installed by default, and should be listed under some "Educational Software" group. These packages are able to support the writings of any religeon? If so, it may require some effort to collect the writings of some of the more obscure belief systems in the correct format. -C.S.
[Cooker] [Bug 1392] [kdebase] log in as root
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-01 20:50 --- ok, thanks but why does netconf react different from linuxconf. in the graphical environment netconf says you must be root to start netconf linuxconf asks for root password and can be used by every user that supplies the root password Op vrijdag 28 februari 2003 20:00, schreef u: --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: mandrake 9.1 beta 3 how can i log in as root when i am using grapical interface i can use the users that i made during install i have no possibilty to enter root what is new that i do not know
[Cooker] [Bug 1403] [Installation] cannot find Plextor CDR-PX-320A
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1403 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-01 20:48 --- It probably isn't relevant, but I am able to install Redhat Phoebe beta 2 fine on this machine. I've got Mandrake RC3 running on another machine - very well done. Can wait for 9.1. Here are my system specs in case they are needed: Shuttle SB51g - BIOS 38 Intel i845G multithreading chipset (supporting Pentium 4 400/533MHz FSB processors) Realtek 10/100MBs LAN 5.1 channel AC97 audio with SPDIF in/out Three IEEE1394 (Firewire) ports Four USB 2.0 ports Two serial ports Two UDMA 100/133 IDE connectors Pentium 4 2.rGHz (533MHz) processor 1GB CAS2 Corsair XMS3500 Western Digital Caviar 120GB 8MB Cache Creative Labs GeForce 3 Ti500 graphics card Plextor PlexCombo PX-320A 20/10/40-12A CDRW-DVD player USB keyboard and Mouse --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: I can install Mdk9.0 fine from ISO image installs. I've downloaded Mdk9.1beta 3 and if I create a CDR with the first ISO image I can boot with that CD but when the "Welcome to Mandrake Linux (cooker)" text mode screen it cannot mount, but identifies: "Plextor CD-R PX-320A" On the logging screen it says "Mount Failed: Invalid Argument" I've been able to install and use beta 2 and release 9.0 fine.
Re: [Cooker] TV Cards outside of BT878
On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 18:51, Marcel Pol wrote: > On 01 Mar 2003 18:41:39 +0100 > Robert Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I just purchased a Philips based card which doesn't seem to work > > (SAA7134 based chipset) with Cooker. There are some drivers available > > on the web - but they require v4l2 which doesn't seem to be in Cooker. > > There's a saa7134 driver. It doesn't work for you, or was it just not > autodetected at install? > "No workies" is not really a valid bugreport. > Sorry - let me explain more . . . I had a running Cooker system with a BT878 based card already in it - I since swapped out the card with the SAA7134 based card and restarted. The new card was not recognised. I then started MCC and chose Hardware - then DrakTV - which then complained that NO TV card was found. So I had no video device auto-detected. You are right that I should have checked whether there was a driver under the modules directory - but I kinda expected that after the switch of cards, and using DrakTV it should be able to catch that. One side note and question: What is the opinion of the SAA7134? Or is the Conextant chipset better? Thanks, R.Fox Your avereage -- Robert Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fox Consulting Services
[Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] ksetispy-0.5.2-3mdk
On Saturday 01 March 2003 14:30, Laurent MONTEL wrote: [...] >Summary : A KDE2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] monitoring tool >Description : >KSetiSpy is a KDE3 utility that monitors the progress of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] client, [...] Hmm... Summary should be updated, perhaps? -Charles S.
