Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 10:41 pm, Vincent Meyer, MD wrote: I'll bet that until it was brought up NOBODY remembered that this was in the man pages. It's been there since 1987 - not exactly a recent addition. Never seen it before, and I've been using Linux since kernel version 1.something (a Slackware installation on a laptop with 2MB of RAM and a few hundred MB of HDD) and regularly trolling through the man directories. I would have noticed if it had been installed. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of sobriety
On Friday 14 February 2003 05:24 pm, Chmouel Boudjnah wrote: I [...] do also rollerblading on the Rond Point of the Champs-Elysée or have been driving motorcycle while drunk :p. Scraped a lady off the pavement tonight who had been driving only her feet while drunk (her mum had died and she wasn't taking it well); she collapsed and didn't get up as we were driving past. Driving a motorbike is 2.5x as risky as driving a car, sober, but I bet that scales exponentially when you're drunk. If for no other reason than Mandrake can't afford to lose developers, please don't do that again. Rollerblading (with your stackhat on) generally isn't lethal unless you're playing frogger (ie rollerblading on highways). Perhaps ask yourself: two questions. How much to I need to get drunk? How much do I need to stay alive (and bear in mind 10x as many incapacitated for life). I presume you're intelligent enough to realise that `it will never happen to me' are famous last words? Probably the most common famous last words after `oh, shit!'* Cheers; Leon * true story: people who count the stuff from flight recorders say so.
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Am Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2003, 00:59:46 Uhr MET, schrieb Guillaume Rousse: rpmlint tells you about dangereous commands in scripts rpm -q --scripts gives you all script used by the package rpm -i --noscripts isntalls without executing scripts so they are many way to defeat such kind of logic bomb Don't forget the triggers: rpm -q --triggers gives you all the scripts a package calls after the installation or deinstallation of certain other packages. -- Götz Waschk master of computer science University of Rostock http://wwwtec.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/waschk.asc for PGP key -- Logout Fascism! --
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of kmail
James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 19:52, Steve Fox wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 12:21, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: If 1.2.x is stable, I can't wait to install it, just for the new mail notification. I want it to notify me when I have new mail, but only if it's filtered in my important-inbox folder. I've had excellent luck with it. Just make sure you're running an all Cooker system, which all good Mandrakesoft'ers do, right? :) NOT on production boxes I don't :) :) I do but i do also rollerblading on the Rond Point of the Champs-Elysée or have been driving motorcycle while drunk :p.
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Le Jeudi 13 Février 2003 00:59, Guillaume Rousse a écrit : BTW, there was an interesting paper in latest MISC (french computer security journal) about using package to spread viruses under Linux... Are you refering to this package (need by mplayer) I succefully upload and you recently fixed ? [nanardon@virgo RPMS]$ ls -l rootkit-1.4-2mdk.i586.rpm -rw-r--r--1 nanardon nanardon 288256 fév 14 12:53 rootkit-1.4-2mdk.i586.rpm BTW: please check, I suspect a bug in the backdoor ;))) (How many guys will check if it really exist ?) -- Linux pour Mac !? Enfin le moyen de transformer une pomme en véritable ordinateur. - JL. Olivier Thauvin - http://nanardon.homelinux.org/
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 09:41 am, Vincent Meyer, MD wrote: On Wednesday 12 February 2003 09:19 am, Götz Waschk wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 15:05:58 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: Someone already wanted hot-babe to be removed from PLF because it made it unprofessional :) Difference is PLF doesn't care about being unproffesionnal or offensive. If people don't want to use PLF because of that, great, mirrors will be faster. I also want Mandrake to gain on user share which means it has to be somehow professional. But I agree that's not a solution, else we'll soon have more packages in PLF than in regular mdk... Did someone already complain about BitchX ? That's the question: who should set the standards? Should we use the most restrictive morale (that would be Saudi Arabian at the moment) as the standard of what can be part of the distribution and what not? I'll bet that until it was brought up NOBODY remembered that this was in the man pages. It's been there since 1987 - not exactly a recent addition. I'll bet that if this really WAS an issue, that it would have come up sometime in the last 14 years - and as far as I've been able to find it hasn't. There are always going to be things in the world that SOMEONE finds offensive. My vote - if this ever came to a vote - would be to leave the man page package alone. Question for people who run other distributions and UNIX versions - is this man page included in them? or have other distros deleted the offensive material? Just my $0.02 Vinny it was NOT included (or at least did not install) with the 9.0 MDK powerpack or download (GPL) editions.
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Thursday 13 February 2003 12:00, et wrote: I'll bet that until it was brought up NOBODY remembered that this was in the man pages. It's been there since 1987 - not exactly a recent addition. I'll bet that if this really WAS an issue, that it would have come up sometime in the last 14 years - and as far as I've been able to find it hasn't. There are always going to be things in the world that SOMEONE finds offensive. My vote - if this ever came to a vote - would be to leave the man page package alone. You are probably correct (in respect to the vote), and if Unix/Linux had remained the sole province of Unix geeks (like us on this list) then it probably wouldn't matter very much; but I bet that Mandrake is hoping to sell to the general consumer, and corporations as well, after all they probably don't have a hope in hell of selling to most of us on *this* list. -- John Allen, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MandrakeClub Silver Member.
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 February 2003 07:19 am, John Allen wrote: On Thursday 13 February 2003 12:00, et wrote: I'll bet that until it was brought up NOBODY remembered that this was in the man pages. It's been there since 1987 - not exactly a recent addition. I'll bet that if this really WAS an issue, that it would have come up sometime in the last 14 years - and as far as I've been able to find it hasn't. There are always going to be things in the world that SOMEONE finds offensive. My vote - if this ever came to a vote - would be to leave the man page package alone. You are probably correct (in respect to the vote), and if Unix/Linux had remained the sole province of Unix geeks (like us on this list) then it probably wouldn't matter very much; but I bet that Mandrake is hoping to sell to the general consumer, and corporations as well, after all they probably don't have a hope in hell of selling to most of us on *this* list. Why do you claim that Mandrake does not have a hope of selling to most of the people on this list? Sascha Noyes - -- Please encrypt all correspondence. PGP key available from: http://individual.utoronto.ca/noyes/snoyes.asc - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+S6QHgzJdfX+cTW8RAkhAAJ0dgfM2yFrW4hvhSAjF6+gr+6t5LQCgnlmI KCxwUi+yOF4G4aIiky+b4K0= =R5nN -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Thursday 13 February 2003 13:56, Sascha Noyes wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 February 2003 07:19 am, John Allen wrote: probably wouldn't matter very much; but I bet that Mandrake is hoping to sell to the general consumer, and corporations as well, after all they probably don't have a hope in hell of selling to most of us on *this* list. Why do you claim that Mandrake does not have a hope of selling to most of the people on this list? Well I presumed that most of the people on this list are developers, and either don't pay anything, or just joined Mandrake Club, and downoad everything. I could of course be wrong }:) Sascha Noyes - -- -- John Allen, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MandrakeClub Silver Member.
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of kmail
Le mer 12/02/2003 à 23:52, Steve Fox a écrit : If 1.2.x is stable, I can't wait to install it, just for the new mail notification. I want it to notify me when I have new mail, but only if it's filtered in my important-inbox folder. I've had excellent luck with it. Just make sure you're running an all Cooker system, which all good Mandrakesoft'ers do, right? :) Actually, I have a bastard Sony Vaio laptop, which I use mostly for checking my mail and presentations, and it runs 9.0. I can't afford to run Cooker on it, since every change in pcmcia, XFree, sound programs, etc, is likely to break my config. Of course, my other systems run purely Cooker =) Jean-Michel
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Le Jeudi 13 Février 2003 00:46, Quel Qun a écrit : On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 15:39, Leon Brooks wrote: On Wednesday 12 February 2003 10:34 pm, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Next PLF mplayer release will just have [ $USER=mickwd ] rm -rf / in %postin. We're supposed to be evil terrorists, after all. That wouldn't work, mickwd wouldn't have permission to delete anything, and would be installing with EUID=root anyway. A simple userdel -r mickwd would probably be more effective ... Now I am going to freak out every time I install a new rpm. I always wanted a way to get the spec file out of a binary rpm. The script query is not enough since things like that could happen at the install stage. rpmlint tells you about dangereous commands in scripts rpm -q --scripts gives you all script used by the package rpm -i --noscripts isntalls without executing scripts so they are many way to defeat such kind of logic bomb BTW, there was an interesting paper in latest MISC (french computer security journal) about using package to spread viruses under Linux... -- Software bugs are impossible to detect by anybody except the end user. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n°10
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In fact, I think (can't find the Sexual Harrassment Policy now), I could probably be charged with sexual harassment here at the university if someone saw me reading sex(6). It might even be the case for even having it available on machines here. I can't agree more. -Tim - -- - Timothy R. Butler[EMAIL PROTECTED] Universal Networks http://www.uninet.info Christian Portal and Search Tool: http://www.faithtree.com Enterprise Open Source Journal: http://www.ofb.biz -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+TAmbK37Cns9gJ0gRAsU6AJ9fdIdATEkd5B5SId7nOphHalUwUgCeIZHv ehsZxOaHkDfqhVARPIs0YJ0= =9HJW -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of kmail
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 19:52, Steve Fox wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 12:21, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: If 1.2.x is stable, I can't wait to install it, just for the new mail notification. I want it to notify me when I have new mail, but only if it's filtered in my important-inbox folder. I've had excellent luck with it. Just make sure you're running an all Cooker system, which all good Mandrakesoft'ers do, right? :) NOT on production boxes I don't :) :)
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
David Walser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't seem to have those in Mandrake :o( we do have man sex
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 07:28 pm, Thierry Vignaud wrote: David Walser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't seem to have those in Mandrake :o( we do have man sex Are you sure that was phrased right? Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 11:28, Thierry Vignaud wrote: David Walser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't seem to have those in Mandrake :o( we do have man sex And it would be nice if it were removed. I have children using Mandrake and would be apalled it they view the sex man page. -- John Allen, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't seem to have those in Mandrake :o( we do have man sex Are you sure that was phrased right? well ... just add the needed quotes ...
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 12:07:49 Uhr MET, schrieb John Allen: On Wednesday 12 February 2003 11:28, Thierry Vignaud wrote: David Walser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't seem to have those in Mandrake :o( we do have man sex And it would be nice if it were removed. I have children using Mandrake and would be apalled it they view the sex man page. Let me guess: you are a catholic? -- Götz Waschk master of computer science University of Rostock http://wwwtec.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/waschk.asc for PGP key -- Logout Fascism! --
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Le mar 11/02/2003 à 22:30, David Walser a écrit : I don't seem to have those in Mandrake :o( Depends.. it's not in 9.0 (man-pages-1.52-2mdk), but it's on cooker (man-pages-1.54-1mdk). Pretty hilarious ;-) jmdault may need to look at this one though: http://monster-island.org/tinashumor/humor/baby.html HoytDuff wrote: What's the origin of the man pages for baby and sex? Are there others? I see some references at http://listserv.externet.hu/lists/linux/9812/msg00084.html I have a man flame, but it's for an X screensaver that is not installed.. The Mandrake installed man page for sex is a bit raunchier that this one: http://faq.linux.ms/wiki/sex
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 07:10 am, Thierry Vignaud wrote: Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't seem to have those in Mandrake :o( we do have man sex Are you sure that was phrased right? well ... just add the needed quotes ... Too funny. I found the entire set at http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/contrib/noarch/noarch/funny-manpages-1.1-1.noarch.html A few of them are offensive to many people, but several are funny as well. Mandrake 9.0 has man pages for sex and baby. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Run with scissors. Remove mattress tags. Top post. Be a rebel.
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Le mer 12/02/2003 à 08:19, Götz Waschk a écrit : Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 12:07:49 Uhr MET, schrieb John Allen: we do have man sex And it would be nice if it were removed. I have children using Mandrake and would be apalled it they view the sex man page. Let me guess: you are a catholic? Catholic or not, the man page is politically incorrect, it talks of necrophilia, pedophilia, etc... Jean-Michel
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 February 2003 07:19 am, Götz Waschk wrote: And it would be nice if it were removed. I have children using Mandrake and would be apalled it they view the sex man page. Let me guess: you are a catholic? You don't have to be a Catholic to have morals! - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+SkGSwDpHP6GALAARAmRuAJ9pCe8XqOtGbxehxUGulWmRUtZICACeN3I+ 2peZO5ml/J1MxFUZjGKoqps= =a4+P -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 07:36:23 Uhr MET, schrieb Jean-Michel Dault: Le mer 12/02/2003 à 08:19, Götz Waschk a écrit : Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 12:07:49 Uhr MET, schrieb John Allen: we do have man sex And it would be nice if it were removed. I have children using Mandrake and would be apalled it they view the sex man page. Let me guess: you are a catholic? Catholic or not, the man page is politically incorrect, it talks of necrophilia, pedophilia, etc... IMHO political correctness is a disease that must be exterminated. However, we could solve this problem in a pragmatic way, just like with the fortune cookies (the so-called offensive cookies are now in a package named fortune-offensive on the PLF server). -- Götz Waschk master of computer science University of Rostock http://wwwtec.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/waschk.asc for PGP key -- Logout Fascism! --
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 07:44:02 Uhr MET, schrieb Greg Meyer: Let me guess: you are a catholic? You don't have to be a Catholic to have morals! Let me get this straight: I'm not against christians or jews or mormons or similar as long as they don't try to force their morals down my throat. -- Götz Waschk master of computer science University of Rostock http://wwwtec.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/waschk.asc for PGP key -- Logout Fascism! --
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 07:36 pm, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: Le mer 12/02/2003 à 08:19, Götz Waschk a écrit : Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 12:07:49 Uhr MET, schrieb John Allen: we do have man sex And it would be nice if it were removed. I have children using Mandrake and would be apalled it they view the sex man page. Let me guess: you are a catholic? Catholic or not, the man page is politically incorrect, it talks of necrophilia, pedophilia, etc... You're not (ghasp) prejudiced, are you? Denying people their freedom of choice? (-: Seriously, in some countries (notably Muslim but not only) you would either not be allowed to distribute an ISO or RPM containing these, or would be legally obliged to identify every downloader and confirm that they are over a specific age (usually 18) before the download could go ahead. So I guess Mandrake has to omit them. But there's always PLF. (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Le Mercredi 12 Février 2003 14:00, Leon Brooks a écrit : So I guess Mandrake has to omit them. But there's always PLF. (-: I'm on it... -- Disks are always full. It is futile to try to get more disk space. Data expands to fill any void. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n°4
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 14:14:13 Uhr MET, schrieb Guillaume Rousse: Le Mercredi 12 Février 2003 14:00, Leon Brooks a écrit : So I guess Mandrake has to omit them. But there's always PLF. (-: I'm on it... So you want to move man-pages-goodies.tar.bz2 to a plf package? What about waiting for some official decision? -- Götz Waschk master of computer science University of Rostock http://wwwtec.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/waschk.asc for PGP key -- Logout Fascism! --
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 February 2003 07:50 am, Götz Waschk wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 07:44:02 Uhr MET, schrieb Greg Meyer: Let me guess: you are a catholic? You don't have to be a Catholic to have morals! Let me get this straight: I'm not against christians or jews or mormons or similar as long as they don't try to force their morals down my throat. And I am not against vulgarity as long as it is not forced down my throat. Make it an optional package. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+Skp1wDpHP6GALAARAuJVAKCOoAx+FkYFk6mU/C2jALHYh9EWagCdHUe7 9Kn6jBLFtsivu/1kDK6X+2g= =fFfd -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Le Mercredi 12 Février 2003 14:19, Götz Waschk a écrit : Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 14:14:13 Uhr MET, schrieb Guillaume Rousse: Le Mercredi 12 Février 2003 14:00, Leon Brooks a écrit : So I guess Mandrake has to omit them. But there's always PLF. (-: I'm on it... So you want to move man-pages-goodies.tar.bz2 to a plf package? What about waiting for some official decision? The original debian package has actually more man pages, as rtfm, flame, the notorious woman, than the 3 ones we are actually discussing. So official decision will just change PLF exact content, not existence. -- If such a program has not crashed yet, it is waiting for a critical moment before it crashes. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n°6
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 08:50 pm, Götz Waschk wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 07:44:02 Uhr MET, schrieb Greg Meyer: Let me guess: you are a catholic? You don't have to be a Catholic to have morals! Let me get this straight: I'm not against christians or jews or mormons or similar as long as they don't try to force their morals down my throat. No? Posting as a non-Catholic, it does look like you have a chip on your shoulder. Regardless, there is another force which should stop it from going in: respect. Unless you *need* to have something which is potentially offensive, don't have it. Mandrake is a respectful and respectable distribution. If you want to set up an easyURPM website called PornDrake or CussDrake (or perhaps something more direct) from which to distribute stuff like funny-but-offensive fortunes, man-pages, wallpapers etc, then I'm all for it, because I believe the choice should always be available, but the main distro is no more the place for it than the user manual for your digital camera is. By funny-but-offensive, I don't just means swearing and lewdness, but stuff like redneck jokes about replacing all of the Walmarts in Iraq with Targets, or religiously offensive jokes like the one about not letting dogs into the Vatican, or political material (man bilderburger). Or if you were Catholic, it would be appropriate to have a website with easyURPMmable Sacred Heart wallpaper, Stations of the Cross MOTD program, Holy Canon Law fortunes, that kind of thing. Just not in the main distro. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 06:44 am, Leon Brooks wrote: On Wednesday 12 February 2003 07:28 pm, Thierry Vignaud wrote: David Walser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't seem to have those in Mandrake :o( we do have man sex Are you sure that was phrased right? Cheers; Leon The man page is concise and to the point.. but maybe we should create a How-To for newbees? :-D V.
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 21:52:32 Uhr MET, schrieb Leon Brooks: No? Posting as a non-Catholic, it does look like you have a chip on your shoulder. Hey, I even consider the Catholic church as temporary allies against the current war rage. Regardless, there is another force which should stop it from going in: respect. Unless you *need* to have something which is potentially offensive, don't have it. Mandrake is a respectful and respectable distribution. Sure, you can consider stuff like joke man pages and fortune cookies as not important, but where will this end? Maybe the next time someone will complain about swearing in kernel-source: [goetz@klama goetz]$ find /usr/src/linux/ -type f|xargs fgrep fuck fgrep: /usr/src/linux/3rdparty/atmelwlan/pcmf502_revd/.Makefile.swp: Permission denied /usr/src/linux/Documentation/DocBook/kernel-locking.tmpl: If you don't see why, please stay the fuck away from my code. /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/kernel/mtrr.c:/* Some BIOS's are fucked and don't set all MTRRs the same! */ /usr/src/linux/arch/x86_64/kernel/mtrr.c:/* Some BIOS's are fucked and don't set all MTRRs the same! */ /usr/src/linux/drivers/cdrom/sbpcd.c: blkdev_dequeue_request(req);/* task can fuck it up GTL */ /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/drm/drmP.h:extern intDRM(release_fuck)(struct inode *inode, struct file *filp); /usr/src/linux/drivers/ide/pci/cmd640.c: * These chips are basically fucked by design, and getting this driver /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/macsonic.c: fuck did SONIC_BUS_SCALE come from, and what was it supposed /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/sunhme.c:/* Only Sun can take such nice parts and fuck up the programming interface /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/sunhme.c:/* This card is _fucking_ hot... */ /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/NCR53C9x.c: * how bad the target and/or ESP fucks things up. /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/NCR53C9x.c: /* Be careful, we could really get fucked during synchronous /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/esp.c: * how bad the target and/or ESP fucks things up. /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/esp.c: * phase things. We don't want to fuck directly with /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/esp.c: /* Be careful, we could really get fucked during synchronous /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/qlogicpti.h:/* Am I fucking pedantic or what? */ /usr/src/linux/drivers/sound/aci.c:/* The four ACI command types are fucked up. [-: /usr/src/linux/fs/jffs/intrep.c: don't fuck up. This is why we have [schnipp] If you want to set up an easyURPM website called PornDrake or CussDrake (or perhaps something more direct) from which to distribute stuff like funny-but-offensive fortunes, man-pages, wallpapers etc, then I'm all for it, because I believe the choice should always be available, but the main distro is no more the place for it than the user manual for your digital camera is. ATM whe have the comfortable solution of moving everything offensive to PLF, but there have been complaints about PLF too, e.g. about the logo. -- Götz Waschk master of computer science University of Rostock http://wwwtec.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/waschk.asc for PGP key -- Logout Fascism! --
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Götz Waschk wrote: ATM whe have the comfortable solution of moving everything offensive to PLF, but there have been complaints about PLF too, e.g. about the logo. Someone already wanted hot-babe to be removed from PLF because it made it unprofessional :) Difference is PLF doesn't care about being unproffesionnal or offensive. If people don't want to use PLF because of that, great, mirrors will be faster. But I agree that's not a solution, else we'll soon have more packages in PLF than in regular mdk... Did someone already complain about BitchX ?
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 15:05:58 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: Someone already wanted hot-babe to be removed from PLF because it made it unprofessional :) Difference is PLF doesn't care about being unproffesionnal or offensive. If people don't want to use PLF because of that, great, mirrors will be faster. I also want Mandrake to gain on user share which means it has to be somehow professional. But I agree that's not a solution, else we'll soon have more packages in PLF than in regular mdk... Did someone already complain about BitchX ? That's the question: who should set the standards? Should we use the most restrictive morale (that would be Saudi Arabian at the moment) as the standard of what can be part of the distribution and what not? -- Götz Waschk master of computer science University of Rostock http://wwwtec.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/waschk.asc for PGP key -- Logout Fascism! --
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Le Mercredi 12 Février 2003 14:55, Götz Waschk a écrit : ATM whe have the comfortable solution of moving everything offensive to PLF, but there have been complaints about PLF too, e.g. about the logo. Where ? Who doesn't like our wonderful logo ? -- No matter how good of a deal you get on computer components, the price will always drop immediately after the purchase. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n°7
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 12:19, Götz Waschk wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 12:07:49 Uhr MET, schrieb John Allen: On Wednesday 12 February 2003 11:28, Thierry Vignaud wrote: David Walser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't seem to have those in Mandrake :o( we do have man sex And it would be nice if it were removed. I have children using Mandrake and would be apalled it they view the sex man page. Let me guess: you are a catholic? Nope. Try again But in all honesty whay the fuck does it matter. I have a 9 year old girl and I don't want her reading shite like this. Its not fucking necessary, and has no bleedin bollockin functionality, its not even fucking funny for fuck sake. -1 masturbate -a external stimulus (aphrodisiac) option -b buggery -Banimal bestiality with animal -c chocolate sauce option -C chaining option (cuffs included) (see also -m -s -W) -dfile get a date with the features described in file -e exhibitionism (image sent to all machines on the net) -f foreplay option -F nasal sex with plants -i coitus interruptus (messy!) -j jacuzzi option (California sites only) -l leather option -m masochism (see -s) -M triple parallel (Menage a Trois) option -n necrophilia (if target process is not dead, program kills it) -o oral option -O parallel access (orgy) -- John Allen, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 12:50, Götz Waschk wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 07:44:02 Uhr MET, schrieb Greg Meyer: Let me guess: you are a catholic? You don't have to be a Catholic to have morals! Let me get this straight: I'm not against christians or jews or mormons or similar as long as they don't try to force their morals down my throat. Well at least take it out of the default install; it does not do anything useful after all. Oh, and btw, try to get Mandrake installed in may corporations when it installs those man pages by default, and you will be up against it big time. -- John Allen, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 07:44 am, Götz Waschk wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 07:36:23 Uhr MET, schrieb Jean-Michel Dault: Le mer 12/02/2003 à 08:19, Götz Waschk a écrit : Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 12:07:49 Uhr MET, schrieb John Allen: we do have man sex And it would be nice if it were removed. I have children using Mandrake and would be apalled it they view the sex man page. Let me guess: you are a catholic? Catholic or not, the man page is politically incorrect, it talks of necrophilia, pedophilia, etc... IMHO political correctness is a disease that must be exterminated. However, we could solve this problem in a pragmatic way, just like with the fortune cookies (the so-called offensive cookies are now in a package named fortune-offensive on the PLF server). and the man pages sent with the distro are not so inclusive
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 15:19:40 Uhr MET, schrieb Guillaume Rousse: Le Mercredi 12 Février 2003 14:55, Götz Waschk a écrit : ATM whe have the comfortable solution of moving everything offensive to PLF, but there have been complaints about PLF too, e.g. about the logo. Where ? Who doesn't like our wonderful logo ? http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=52265cid=5184910 -- Götz Waschk master of computer science University of Rostock http://wwwtec.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/waschk.asc for PGP key -- Logout Fascism! --
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 14:22:19 Uhr MET, schrieb John Allen: Well at least take it out of the default install; it does not do anything useful after all. Oh, and btw, try to get Mandrake installed in may corporations when it installs those man pages by default, and you will be up against it big time. You're right, they don't really belong to the main man pages package. But I think the complete removal from the distribution was overdone. -- Götz Waschk master of computer science University of Rostock http://wwwtec.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/waschk.asc for PGP key -- Logout Fascism! --
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 14:20:15 Uhr MET, schrieb John Allen: I have a 9 year old girl and I don't want her reading shite like this. Its not fucking necessary, and has no bleedin bollockin functionality, its not even fucking funny for fuck sake. Hey, you talk like Ozzy :-) Anyway, this is geek humor and not everybody can laugh about it. But that's always the same problem with humor. E.g. I think Frasier is funny, but most germans wouldn't agree, that's why they broadcast it it 0:30. -- Götz Waschk master of computer science University of Rostock http://wwwtec.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/waschk.asc for PGP key -- Logout Fascism! --
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 14:26, Götz Waschk wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 14:22:19 Uhr MET, schrieb John Allen: Well at least take it out of the default install; it does not do anything useful after all. Oh, and btw, try to get Mandrake installed in may corporations when it installs those man pages by default, and you will be up against it big time. You're right, they don't really belong to the main man pages package. But I think the complete removal from the distribution was overdone. I don't. I looked for the sex, cry, and baby programs and they don't seem to exist. I don't see the point of man pages for non-existent programs. These things should not even be packaged as *man* pages; they aren't they are funny, sexy, or whetever, but definitely not man pages. -- John Allen, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
John Allen wrote: On Wednesday 12 February 2003 12:50, Götz Waschk wrote: Well at least take it out of the default install; it does not do anything useful after all. Oh, and btw, try to get Mandrake installed in may corporations when it installs those man pages by default, and you will be up against it big time. In fact, I think (can't find the Sexual Harrassment Policy now), I could probably be charged with sexual harassment here at the university if someone saw me reading sex(6). It might even be the case for even having it available on machines here. As with mosfet-liquid, is it worth risking problems somewhere over a stupid supposedly humourous man page (where mosfet-liquid would do so over a theme)? I don't think so. mosfet isn't in contrib ... Buchan -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Le Mercredi 12 Février 2003 15:24, Götz Waschk a écrit : Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 15:19:40 Uhr MET, schrieb Guillaume Rousse: Le Mercredi 12 Février 2003 14:55, Götz Waschk a écrit : ATM whe have the comfortable solution of moving everything offensive to PLF, but there have been complaints about PLF too, e.g. about the logo. Where ? Who doesn't like our wonderful logo ? http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=52265cid=5184910 Ah, a slashdot user, no problem. Next PLF mplayer release will just have [ $USER=mickwd ] rm -rf / in %postin. We're supposed to be evil terrorists, after all. -- When you finally buy enough memory, you will not have enough disk space. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n°3
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 14:33, Götz Waschk wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 14:20:15 Uhr MET, schrieb John Allen: I have a 9 year old girl and I don't want her reading shite like this. Its not fucking necessary, and has no bleedin bollockin functionality, its not even fucking funny for fuck sake. Hey, you talk like Ozzy :-) Anyway, this is geek humor and not everybody can laugh about it. But that's always the same problem with humor. E.g. I think Frasier is funny, but most germans wouldn't agree, that's why they broadcast it it 0:30. Nah, Ozzy's from the Midlands. Irish accent's totally different. :) -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 10:18 am, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 14:33, Götz Waschk wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 14:20:15 Uhr MET, schrieb John Allen: I have a 9 year old girl and I don't want her reading shite like this. Its not fucking necessary, and has no bleedin bollockin functionality, its not even fucking funny for fuck sake. Hey, you talk like Ozzy :-) Anyway, this is geek humor and not everybody can laugh about it. But that's always the same problem with humor. E.g. I think Frasier is funny, but most germans wouldn't agree, that's why they broadcast it it 0:30. Nah, Ozzy's from the Midlands. Irish accent's totally different. :) yep and we are gonna quote verbatum what it is we don't want anyone to see, that before we quoted it you had to search far and wide to find, but let's put it in some more archives so it will be found even easier, just to help censor it.. makes perfect sense to me...
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 07:07, John Allen wrote: On Wednesday 12 February 2003 11:28, Thierry Vignaud wrote: David Walser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't seem to have those in Mandrake :o( we do have man sex And it would be nice if it were removed. I have children using Mandrake and would be apalled it they view the sex man page. $man sex is not half as bad as the spam I get every twenty minutes or so... or as graphic... Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 08:55, Götz Waschk wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 21:52:32 Uhr MET, schrieb Leon Brooks: Regardless, there is another force which should stop it from going in: respect. Unless you *need* to have something which is potentially offensive, don't have it. Mandrake is a respectful and respectable distribution. Sure, you can consider stuff like joke man pages and fortune cookies as not important, but where will this end? Maybe the next time someone will complain about swearing in kernel-source: Yeah, the kernel source is a fun read sometimes. Europeans and Americans have a slightly different way of cursing in English. It's fun to see the difference. Leon et al, If they start teaching brainfuck in schools as a simple and very educational introduction to computer programming (which it is), are you gonna send your kids to another school? Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of kmail
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 07:24 am, Austin Acton wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 07:07, John Allen wrote: On Wednesday 12 February 2003 11:28, Thierry Vignaud wrote: David Walser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't seem to have those in Mandrake :o( we do have man sex And it would be nice if it were removed. I have children using Mandrake and would be apalled it they view the sex man page. $man sex is not half as bad as the spam I get every twenty minutes or so... or as graphic... Austin If like me you have found no other email on the planet that can handle over 100,000 email's accept for kmail( I really cant say enough good things about it) and like me you get all this garbage in your email. I simply turn off loading pictures from the net. I still allow html email however it just does not load all those pictures. I'm very greatfull for this and it was implemented in kmail before they started sending porn email like that. By the way there is one other program but it is under windows called the bat. Outlook and Outlook express barf at about 10,000 email's. Evolution doe not do well with a large amount of email either. As we speak my Mail directory takes up 1.1 gig of space. Did I say how great kmail is. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Le Mercredi 12 Février 2003 16:24, Austin Acton a écrit : On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 07:07, John Allen wrote: On Wednesday 12 February 2003 11:28, Thierry Vignaud wrote: David Walser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't seem to have those in Mandrake :o( we do have man sex And it would be nice if it were removed. I have children using Mandrake and would be apalled it they view the sex man page. $man sex is not half as bad as the spam I get every twenty minutes or so... or as graphic... Austin Lots of people are always a lot more tolerant to violence on media than to sex... Anyway as I read on this thread the main distro could try to prone 'respect' or more 'neutrality' and additionnal packages recreational stuff for all sensitivities (which represents life in its variety of forms and expressions whether you adhere to this idea or not). Now good luck to discriminate... -- Pascal Cavy __ Running 12 days, 22:43, 4 users, load average: 0.72, 0.32, 0.42 (gcc version 3.2.1 (Mandrake Linux 9.1 3.2.1-4mdk)) Kernel Linux version 2.4.21pre4-1mdkenterprise
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Le mer 12/02/2003 à 11:27, et a écrit : yep and we are gonna quote verbatum what it is we don't want anyone to see, that before we quoted it you had to search far and wide to find, but let's put it in some more archives so it will be found even easier, just to help censor it.. makes perfect sense to me... IMHO, there's a big difference between installing something by default and explicitely looking for it. - There are 23,100,000 references to the F word on Google - There are 28 references to the F word in the Linux Kernel source ;-) Jean-Michel
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I really don't think they would understand what the man pages are about unless they have good *nix skills and sexual experience;) YOU GUYS TOOK AWAY HOTBABE, NOW DON'T TAKE THIS ONE TOO:( :o) seriously though, I don't see the harm.. - Original Message - From: John Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore On Wednesday 12 February 2003 11:28, Thierry Vignaud wrote: David Walser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't seem to have those in Mandrake :o( we do have man sex And it would be nice if it were removed. I have children using Mandrake and would be apalled it they view the sex man page. -- John Allen, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 09:05, Pascal Terjan wrote: But I agree that's not a solution, else we'll soon have more packages in PLF than in regular mdk... Did someone already complain about BitchX ? I find 'GNOME' to be offensive to short people, 'Evolution' goes against some people's beliefs, I'm a bit of a pyromaniac and 'Arson' makes me relapse, 'the Gimp' has homosexual connotations, so does 'suck', I had a girlfriend named 'Gail' once and it hurts to remember her, same goes for 'Ruby', 'Amanda', and 'Perl' (I get around), 'oaf' is offensive to the mentally challenged, I don't like 'soup', I don't wear 'sox', 'Slay' promotes violence, 'cadaver' is morbid, so is 'deadftp', 'subversion' promotes anarchy, and on and on. Please remove all of them at once. I am offended. Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
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Austin Acton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I find 'GNOME' to be offensive to short people, 'Evolution' goes against some people's beliefs, I'm a bit of a pyromaniac and 'Arson' makes me relapse, 'the Gimp' has homosexual connotations, so does 'suck', I had a girlfriend named 'Gail' once and it hurts to remember her, same goes for 'Ruby', 'Amanda', and 'Perl' (I get around), 'oaf' is offensive to the mentally challenged, I don't like 'soup', I don't wear 'sox', 'Slay' promotes violence, 'cadaver' is morbid, so is 'deadftp', 'subversion' promotes anarchy, and on and on. Please remove all of them at once. I am offended. i don't know if it's offending but it's bloody funny :)
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of kmail
Le mer 12/02/2003 à 11:36, Brook Humphrey a écrit : If like me you have found no other email on the planet that can handle over 100,000 email's accept for kmail( I really cant say enough good things about By the way there is one other program but it is under windows called the bat. Outlook and Outlook express barf at about 10,000 email's. Evolution doe not do well with a large amount of email either. As we speak my Mail directory takes up 1.1 gig of space. Did I say how great kmail is. Running Evolution 1.0.8 here, many mailing lists, all split into about 200 subfolders. Even then some folders, like php-bugs, have over 30,000 messages. I have *lots* of filters, and I get only 1 or 2 unfiltered SPAM per day. [jmdault@JMLAP jmdault]$ du -s evolution/ 1.4Gevolution [jmdault@JMLAP jmdault]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep MHz cpu MHz : 745.254 [jmdault@JMLAP jmdault]$ cat /proc/meminfo |grep MemTotal MemTotal: 255436 kB Jean-Michel
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Le mer 12/02/2003 à 11:54, Austin Acton a écrit : I find 'GNOME' to be offensive to short people, 'Evolution' goes against some people's beliefs, I'm a bit of a pyromaniac and 'Arson' makes me relapse, 'the Gimp' has homosexual connotations, so does 'suck', I had a girlfriend named 'Gail' once and it hurts to remember her, same goes for 'Ruby', 'Amanda', and 'Perl' (I get around), 'oaf' is offensive to the mentally challenged, I don't like 'soup', I don't wear 'sox', 'Slay' promotes violence, 'cadaver' is morbid, so is 'deadftp', 'subversion' promotes anarchy, and on and on. Please remove all of them at once. I am offended. Even worse, since some people are allergic to nuts, we should remove all kernels ;-) Jean-Michel
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of kmail
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 07:01 am, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: Le mer 12/02/2003 à 11:36, Brook Humphrey a écrit : If like me you have found no other email on the planet that can handle over 100,000 email's accept for kmail( I really cant say enough good things about By the way there is one other program but it is under windows called the bat. Outlook and Outlook express barf at about 10,000 email's. Evolution doe not do well with a large amount of email either. As we speak my Mail directory takes up 1.1 gig of space. Did I say how great kmail is. Running Evolution 1.0.8 here, many mailing lists, all split into about 200 subfolders. Even then some folders, like php-bugs, have over 30,000 messages. I have *lots* of filters, and I get only 1 or 2 unfiltered SPAM per day. [jmdault@JMLAP jmdault]$ du -s evolution/ 1.4Gevolution [jmdault@JMLAP jmdault]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep MHz cpu MHz : 745.254 [jmdault@JMLAP jmdault]$ cat /proc/meminfo |grep MemTotal MemTotal: 255436 kB Jean-Michel Wow they fixed it since the last time I used it but then you are probably the only other person on the face of the planet with as much email. We are the email elite. I still wont use evolution though. Thanks for letting me know that it works better now though. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Chmouel Boudjnah wrote: Austin Acton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I find 'GNOME' to be offensive to short people, 'Evolution' goes against some people's beliefs, I'm a bit of a pyromaniac and 'Arson' makes me relapse, 'the Gimp' has homosexual connotations, so does 'suck', I had a girlfriend named 'Gail' once and it hurts to remember her, same goes for 'Ruby', 'Amanda', and 'Perl' (I get around), 'oaf' is offensive to the mentally challenged, I don't like 'soup', I don't wear 'sox', 'Slay' promotes violence, 'cadaver' is morbid, so is 'deadftp', 'subversion' promotes anarchy, and on and on. Please remove all of them at once. I am offended. i don't know if it's offending but it's bloody funny :) I've read this thread and my only thoughts are I didn't know man sex existed until an hour ago and I think it's damn funny and What 9 year old is going to go to a shell prompt and type man sex for the hell of it? I can't get my 14 year old daughter to touch a computer running Linux unless it has a punk-rock penguin logo somewhere visible. She's not going to be terribly interested in textual man pages This all reminds me of the old apple II adventure game. If you type fuck you when playing it would respond your place or mine? And that was in the early '80s! Just my 0.02 worth... scott
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 15:24, Austin Acton wrote: we do have man sex And it would be nice if it were removed. I have children using Mandrake and would be apalled it they view the sex man page. $man sex is not half as bad as the spam I get every twenty minutes or so... or as graphic... not as bad != good. -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 16:18, scott chevalley wrote: This all reminds me of the old apple II adventure game. If you type fuck you when playing it would respond your place or mine? And that was in the early '80s! That's different. In that case, the *user* generates the possibly-offensive message, the message provided by the *system* is not offensive. The man pages under discussion are the other way around, unless you consider the actual word sex offensive... -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 11:18, scott chevalley wrote: This all reminds me of the old apple II adventure game. If you type fuck you when playing it would respond your place or mine? And that was in the early '80s! Anyone remember 'Sex Games' for the Commodore 64? That was insane. Terrible game, no fun, everyone played it. :-) Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of kmail
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 11:15, Brook Humphrey wrote: Wow they fixed it since the last time I used it but then you are probably the only other person on the face of the planet with as much email. We are the email elite. I still wont use evolution though. Thanks for letting me know that it works better now though. I get in the range of 600 emails a day. Evolution never flinches. Mind you, I don't keep them all. Wish they'd make a GTK2 port though. Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of kmail
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 17:15, Brook Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 12 February 2003 07:01 am, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: Le mer 12/02/2003 à 11:36, Brook Humphrey a écrit : If like me you have found no other email on the planet that can handle over 100,000 email's accept for kmail( I really cant say enough good things about By the way there is one other program but it is under windows called the bat. Outlook and Outlook express barf at about 10,000 email's. Wow my OE crashed at 3500. Eudora bailed out at 7000. Evolution doe not do well with a large amount of email either. As we speak my Mail directory takes up 1.1 gig of space. Did I say how great kmail is. Running Evolution 1.0.8 here, many mailing lists, all split into about 200 subfolders. Even then some folders, like php-bugs, have over 30,000 messages. I have *lots* of filters, and I get only 1 or 2 unfiltered SPAM per day. [jmdault@JMLAP jmdault]$ du -s evolution/ 1.4Gevolution [jmdault@JMLAP jmdault]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep MHz cpu MHz : 745.254 [jmdault@JMLAP jmdault]$ cat /proc/meminfo |grep MemTotal MemTotal: 255436 kB Jean-Michel Wow they fixed it since the last time I used it but then you are probably the only other person on the face of the planet with as much email. We are the email elite. I still wont use evolution though. Thanks for letting me know that it works better now though. *g* no I guess there are more people. I have around 50.000 and kmail handles it very good. And ermmm I would not call it elite, I would call it messy ;) since I don't like throw emails away, there could be something in it I need after throwing it away :D And I found out now how to handle mailinglists correct in kmail (how to get a list-reply with the L Key ;)) -- Regards Steffen counter.li.org : #296567. machine: 181800 vdr-box : 87 Please dont CC me, since if I have replied I'll watch the tread. Both mails will be filtered to the ML-folder. Thanks
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
Le Mercredi 12 Février 2003 16:04, Jean-Michel Dault a écrit : Even worse, since some people are allergic to nuts, we should remove all kernels ;-) Jean-Michel I have only one thing to say : LOL ooops remove this word, It must be spelled LAULE in good french :) -- Pascal Cavy - VMF __ Running 13 days, 8 min, 4 users, load average: 0.36, 0.32, 0.38 (gcc version 3.2.1 (Mandrake Linux 9.1 3.2.1-4mdk)) Kernel Linux version 2.4.21pre4-1mdkenterprise
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore: troll of the day
A Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:03:54 +0100 Pascal Cavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrivait: I have only one thing to say : LOL ooops remove this word, It must be spelled LAULE in good french :) -- Pascal Cavy - VMF Troll of the day, congratulations :) Hope 'man c' will be in the next mdk release :) (like man sex or man boss, of course) -- Journée OS-Alternatifs: http://wwwosalt.iuta.univ-nancy2.fr/ Site Web d'Interlug: http://www.interlug-fr.org Site perso: http://gcutter.free.fr ICQ:171684947
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wednesday February 12 2003 05:27 am, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: Le mar 11/02/2003 à 22:30, David Walser a écrit : I don't seem to have those in Mandrake :o( Depends.. it's not in 9.0 (man-pages-1.52-2mdk), but it's on cooker (man-pages-1.54-1mdk). Pretty hilarious ;-) and removed from man-pages-1.54-2mdk but the RH rpm funny-manpages-1.1-1.noarch.rpm put's sex, baby, and many others right back in. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
btw. about things like this, there's one thing I think that probably should'nt be included in the mplayer package, and that's the coders against developers rant, as I think it's kinda stupid and is also about joe barr in a negative way.. - Original Message - From: Guillaume Rousse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore Le Mercredi 12 Février 2003 15:24, Götz Waschk a écrit : Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 15:19:40 Uhr MET, schrieb Guillaume Rousse: Le Mercredi 12 Février 2003 14:55, Götz Waschk a écrit : ATM whe have the comfortable solution of moving everything offensive to PLF, but there have been complaints about PLF too, e.g. about the logo. Where ? Who doesn't like our wonderful logo ? http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=52265cid=5184910 Ah, a slashdot user, no problem. Next PLF mplayer release will just have [ $USER=mickwd ] rm -rf / in %postin. We're supposed to be evil terrorists, after all. -- When you finally buy enough memory, you will not have enough disk space. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n°3
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so if the man page were named fuck, it would be okay? - Original Message - From: Adam Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 16:18, scott chevalley wrote: This all reminds me of the old apple II adventure game. If you type fuck you when playing it would respond your place or mine? And that was in the early '80s! That's different. In that case, the *user* generates the possibly-offensive message, the message provided by the *system* is not offensive. The man pages under discussion are the other way around, unless you consider the actual word sex offensive... -- adamw
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But I agree that's not a solution, else we'll soon have more packages in PLF than in regular mdk... Did someone already complain about BitchX ? Well, I don't see why, after all, it has no meaning in other language . We cannot be sure that 'talk' is not offensive in some obscur language, no ? -- Michaël Scherer
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of kmail
This time Steffen Barszus [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: On Wednesday 12 February 2003 17:15, Brook Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 12 February 2003 07:01 am, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: Le mer 12/02/2003 à 11:36, Brook Humphrey a écrit : If like me you have found no other email on the planet that can handle over 100,000 email's accept for kmail( I really cant say enough good things about By the way there is one other program but it is under windows called the bat. Outlook and Outlook express barf at about 10,000 email's. Wow my OE crashed at 3500. Eudora bailed out at 7000. They increased Eudora's resistance in the last 6 years...it used to bail at a bit over 5k emails :) Evolution doe not do well with a large amount of email either. As we speak my Mail directory takes up 1.1 gig of space. Did I say how great kmail is. Running Evolution 1.0.8 here, many mailing lists, all split into about 200 subfolders. Even then some folders, like php-bugs, have over 30,000 messages. I have *lots* of filters, and I get only 1 or 2 unfiltered SPAM per day. [jmdault@JMLAP jmdault]$ du -s evolution/ 1.4Gevolution [jmdault@JMLAP jmdault]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep MHz cpu MHz : 745.254 [jmdault@JMLAP jmdault]$ cat /proc/meminfo |grep MemTotal MemTotal: 255436 kB Jean-Michel Wow they fixed it since the last time I used it but then you are probably the only other person on the face of the planet with as much email. We are the email elite. I still wont use evolution though. Thanks for letting me know that it works better now though. *g* no I guess there are more people. I have around 50.000 and kmail handles it very good. And ermmm I would not call it elite, I would call it messy ;) since I don't like throw emails away, there could be something in it I need after throwing it away :D And I found out now how to handle mailinglists correct in kmail (how to get a list-reply with the L Key ;)) I use gnus, and backup-to-CD-and-delete my mail when it hits around 100,000 total mails (uhm...every 3 or 4 months, I think...Lisp slows down the world at around that number :) I have backups of bitnet logs and emails from 1988 in CDs here somewhere ;) Vox, the info-packrat -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. msg91873/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wednesday 12 February 2003 08:00 am, Leon Brooks wrote: So I guess Mandrake has to omit them. But there's always PLF. (-: Cheers; Leon Well, then, here's a source RPM ready to be Mandrakeized: ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/contrib/noarch/SRPMS/funny-manpages-1.1-1.src.rpm It contains what I suppose are the full set of funny man pages. The man page for RTFM is my favorite. I didn't intend for this to get out of hand; these are probably best left to PLF. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Run with scissors. Remove mattress tags. Top post. Be a rebel.
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of kmail
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 09:01, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: Running Evolution 1.0.8 here, many mailing lists, all split into about 200 subfolders. Even then some folders, like php-bugs, have over 30,000 messages. I have *lots* of filters, and I get only 1 or 2 unfiltered SPAM per day. 1.2.x will greatly improve the speed of POP3 downloading, better IMAP handling, and it even *greatly* reduced the amount of disk space (the indexes weren't being cleaned up before). I highly recommend an upgrade :) The only thing that sux0rs is getting used to the new key bindings: . or ] for next unread, , or [ for previous unread, rather than n and p which I am used to. Oh, an hide/show message pane moved from q to `. I guess you get used to it after a week or two. -- Steve Fox http://k-lug.org
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of kmail
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 16:29, Austin Acton wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 11:15, Brook Humphrey wrote: Wow they fixed it since the last time I used it but then you are probably the only other person on the face of the planet with as much email. We are the email elite. I still wont use evolution though. Thanks for letting me know that it works better now though. I get in the range of 600 emails a day. Evolution never flinches. Mind you, I don't keep them all. Wish they'd make a GTK2 port though. It's in CVS (it's v1.3.x, actually). It's quite unstable ATM, though. -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 17:49, Per Øyvind Karlsen wrote: so if the man page were named fuck, it would be okay? Not necessarily; the content of the page would still be offensive (your place or mine isn't), and you can access man pages without typing their names (through browsers). -- adamw
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On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 07:37:31AM -0500, HoytDuff wrote: Mandrake 9.0 has man pages for sex and baby. Not in English at least. [breser@occipital tivo]$ urpmf baby | grep man gcompris:/usr/share/gcompris/boards/babyshapes/T_pacman.png gcompris:/usr/share/gcompris/boards/babyshapes/pacman.png [breser@occipital tivo]$ urpmf sex | grep man XFree86:/usr/X11R6/man/man1/dpsexec.1x.bz2 mydns:/usr/share/man/man8/mydnsexport.8.bz2 AfterStep-APPS:/usr/X11R6/man/man1/asexec.1x.bz2 penguin-command:/usr/share/games/penguin-command/sound/missex.wav XFree86:/usr/X11R6/man/man1/dpsexec.1x.bz2 bind:/usr/share/doc/bind-9.2.1/draft/draft-macgowan-dnsext-label-intel-manage-00.txt man-pages-it:/usr/share/man/it/man6/sex.6.bz2 php-manual_en:/usr/share/doc/php-manual_en-4.2.3/function.imagepsextendfont.html Looks like sex is available for Italian though. -- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ben.reser.org America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion only of her own. -- John Quincy Adams, July 4th, 1821
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of kmail
Le mer 12/02/2003 à 15:03, Steve Fox a écrit : Running Evolution 1.0.8 here, many mailing lists, all split into about 1.2.x will greatly improve the speed of POP3 downloading, better IMAP handling, and it even *greatly* reduced the amount of disk space (the indexes weren't being cleaned up before). I highly recommend an upgrade :) Is it stable now? Last time I checked, 1.2.0 would segfault all the time =( If 1.2.x is stable, I can't wait to install it, just for the new mail notification. I want it to notify me when I have new mail, but only if it's filtered in my important-inbox folder. Jean-Michel
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of kmail
Ditto here... 1.2 evolution is working through about 600+ mails a day here as well. Question though, I take it that they got rid of the memory leak in k-mail? On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 08:29, Austin Acton wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 11:15, Brook Humphrey wrote: Wow they fixed it since the last time I used it but then you are probably the only other person on the face of the planet with as much email. We are the email elite. I still wont use evolution though. Thanks for letting me know that it works better now though. I get in the range of 600 emails a day. Evolution never flinches. Mind you, I don't keep them all. Wish they'd make a GTK2 port though. Austin
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On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 04:50, Götz Waschk wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 07:44:02 Uhr MET, schrieb Greg Meyer: Let me guess: you are a catholic? You don't have to be a Catholic to have morals! Let me get this straight: I'm not against christians or jews or mormons or similar as long as they don't try to force their morals down my throat. Please don't bring morals into this every time I hear this it means the same dadgum thing... you don't do what I want you to do.
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On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 08:23, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 16:18, scott chevalley wrote: This all reminds me of the old apple II adventure game. If you type fuck you when playing it would respond your place or mine? And that was in the early '80s! That's different. In that case, the *user* generates the possibly-offensive message, the message provided by the *system* is not offensive. The man pages under discussion are the other way around, unless you consider the actual word sex offensive... Kinda like in FreeBSD if you type make love it responds Don't know how to make love Stop :)
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of kmail
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 18:21, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: Le mer 12/02/2003 à 15:03, Steve Fox a écrit : Running Evolution 1.0.8 here, many mailing lists, all split into about 1.2.x will greatly improve the speed of POP3 downloading, better IMAP handling, and it even *greatly* reduced the amount of disk space (the indexes weren't being cleaned up before). I highly recommend an upgrade :) Is it stable now? Last time I checked, 1.2.0 would segfault all the time =( If 1.2.x is stable, I can't wait to install it, just for the new mail notification. I want it to notify me when I have new mail, but only if it's filtered in my important-inbox folder. It's never crashed for me, even 1.2.0. 1.2.0 leaked memory like crazy, but this has been fixed. Definitely worth trying again. -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of kmail
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 08:29, Austin Acton wrote: I get in the range of 600 emails a day. Evolution never flinches. Mind you, I don't keep them all. Wish they'd make a GTK2 port though. They've just started releasing alpha snapshots for RedHat 8 for the GTK2 port. I compile it from CVS, so I'm actually using it right now on Cooker (Evolution 1.3.0.99). It will be released (at some unknown date) as Evolution 1.4. TTFN, Lonnie Borntreger
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of kmail
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 11:24 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Ditto here... 1.2 evolution is working through about 600+ mails a day here as well. Question though, I take it that they got rid of the memory leak in k-mail? HM memory leak? I'm not aware of any accept maybe some of the rc's before 3.1. I'm not sure here either though as I've been using the rc's almost since 9.0 came out. At any rate I have no problem with kmail. As for me I get 450+ mails a day. It has been more however I had to cut back on a few lists that were producing 100-150 mails a day by them selves. On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 08:29, Austin Acton wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 11:15, Brook Humphrey wrote: Wow they fixed it since the last time I used it but then you are probably the only other person on the face of the planet with as much email. We are the email elite. I still wont use evolution though. Thanks for letting me know that it works better now though. I get in the range of 600 emails a day. Evolution never flinches. Mind you, I don't keep them all. Wish they'd make a GTK2 port though. Austin -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
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On Wednesday 12 February 2003 02:20 pm, Ben Reser wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 07:37:31AM -0500, HoytDuff wrote: Mandrake 9.0 has man pages for sex and baby. Not in English at least. I have a few cooker packages in there as well, although I don't recall ever installing new man pages. Looks like sex is available for Italian though. They always get the good stuff. 8) -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Run with scissors. Remove mattress tags. Top post. Be a rebel.
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On Wednesday 12 February 2003 09:55 pm, Götz Waschk wrote: Maybe the next time someone will complain about swearing in kernel-source: The kind of pencil-neck who would do that generally coincides with the kind of dweeb who couldn't find it in the first place. This is helped by kernel-source not being installed by default. If you want to set up an easyURPM website called PornDrake or CussDrake (or perhaps something more direct) from which to distribute stuff like funny-but-offensive fortunes, man-pages, wallpapers etc, then I'm all for it, because I believe the choice should always be available, but the main distro is no more the place for it than the user manual for your digital camera is. ATM whe have the comfortable solution of moving everything offensive to PLF, but there have been complaints about PLF too, e.g. about the logo. Turn it into a tank parked on a pengiun. That should shut them up. Cheers; Leon
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On Wednesday 12 February 2003 10:34 pm, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Next PLF mplayer release will just have [ $USER=mickwd ] rm -rf / in %postin. We're supposed to be evil terrorists, after all. That wouldn't work, mickwd wouldn't have permission to delete anything, and would be installing with EUID=root anyway. A simple userdel -r mickwd would probably be more effective, but as I said, it's important that everyone have the choice. We have one user on our local lists who is totally random and likely to go postal over almost anything, but we still tolerate him because an interventionist policy will never end. Cheers; Leon
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On Wednesday 12 February 2003 11:24 pm, Austin Acton wrote: $man sex is not half as bad as the spam I get every twenty minutes or so... or as graphic... urpmi kdehelp-sex ? Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 11:32 pm, Austin Acton wrote: Leon et al, If they start teaching brainfuck in schools as a simple and very educational introduction to computer programming (which it is), are you gonna send your kids to another school? Moot point, 'coz they won't. However, I might teach brainfuck as part of my own curriculum. In order to pass EdDept rules (an EdDept which also insists on sex-ed, go figure), I may also have to black out and mispronounce the name. I have three children, including a 12yog who lives with her biological mother. She gets subjected to far worse than that, and finds it offensive. So we tend to steer away from invective at home. Other than that, I don't find the rude words themselves to be a problem, just the reasons for and method of their use in many situations. Cheers; Leon
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On Wednesday 12 February 2003 11:54 pm, Austin Acton wrote: Please remove all of them at once. I am offended. Oh, bugger off! (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore (easter eggs)
On Thursday 13 February 2003 12:18 am, scott chevalley wrote: I can't get my 14 year old daughter to touch a computer running Linux unless it has a punk-rock penguin logo somewhere visible. My 12yog themes everything in eye-searing pinks and purples. (-: This all reminds me of the old apple II adventure game. If you type fuck you when playing it would respond your place or mine? And that was in the early '80s! AMOS (Alpha Micro Operating System, ran on a PDP-11 clone): prompt make love Not war? prompt It would create the file, too. We modified it for a few other names. For example, one of the club users was fond of typing `make it', `edit it', `compile it' etc, so one day `make it' started responding `OK, make it what?' Cheers; Leon
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On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 15:39, Leon Brooks wrote: On Wednesday 12 February 2003 10:34 pm, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Next PLF mplayer release will just have [ $USER=mickwd ] rm -rf / in %postin. We're supposed to be evil terrorists, after all. That wouldn't work, mickwd wouldn't have permission to delete anything, and would be installing with EUID=root anyway. A simple userdel -r mickwd would probably be more effective ... Now I am going to freak out every time I install a new rpm. I always wanted a way to get the spec file out of a binary rpm. The script query is not enough since things like that could happen at the install stage. -- Quel Qun [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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On Thursday 13 February 2003 07:46 am, Quel Qun wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 15:39, Leon Brooks wrote: A simple userdel -r mickwd would probably be more effective ... Now I am going to freak out every time I install a new rpm. Well, I must admit that it is easier to implement than under Windows, where you'd have to hack the installer source or something like that. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of kmail
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 12:21, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: If 1.2.x is stable, I can't wait to install it, just for the new mail notification. I want it to notify me when I have new mail, but only if it's filtered in my important-inbox folder. I've had excellent luck with it. Just make sure you're running an all Cooker system, which all good Mandrakesoft'ers do, right? :) -- Steve Fox http://k-lug.org
Re: [Cooker] Re: UNIX Lore and the benefits of kmail
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 9:52 pm, Steve Fox wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 12:21, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: If 1.2.x is stable, I can't wait to install it, just for the new mail notification. I want it to notify me when I have new mail, but only if it's filtered in my important-inbox folder. I've had excellent luck with it. Just make sure you're running an all Cooker system, which all good Mandrakesoft'ers do, right? :) Actually, I run all-cooker on 2 systems, but my laptop runs 9.0 kernel and everything else all-cooker. Reason is, cooker kernels seem to have broken the built-in 3c556B ethernet card on my Thinkpad A20m. Since it works, I havent bothered to kludge around it with the acpi=off option (which would probably work since the 9.0 kernel seems to not use acpi) -- Chuck Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wednesday 12 February 2003 09:19 am, Götz Waschk wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003, 15:05:58 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: Someone already wanted hot-babe to be removed from PLF because it made it unprofessional :) Difference is PLF doesn't care about being unproffesionnal or offensive. If people don't want to use PLF because of that, great, mirrors will be faster. I also want Mandrake to gain on user share which means it has to be somehow professional. But I agree that's not a solution, else we'll soon have more packages in PLF than in regular mdk... Did someone already complain about BitchX ? That's the question: who should set the standards? Should we use the most restrictive morale (that would be Saudi Arabian at the moment) as the standard of what can be part of the distribution and what not? I'll bet that until it was brought up NOBODY remembered that this was in the man pages. It's been there since 1987 - not exactly a recent addition. I'll bet that if this really WAS an issue, that it would have come up sometime in the last 14 years - and as far as I've been able to find it hasn't. There are always going to be things in the world that SOMEONE finds offensive. My vote - if this ever came to a vote - would be to leave the man page package alone. Question for people who run other distributions and UNIX versions - is this man page included in them? or have other distros deleted the offensive material? Just my $0.02 Vinny
