Re: [CTRL] CTRL List
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 2:32:46 PM GMT-5:00 - United States of Ame, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hiya Kris, My vote would be for 2 lists: one for discussion and the second one to post articles. A combined lists would mean way too many posts. IMHO. Hilary I concur with Hilary! Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Howard: the list owner's request
-Caveat Lector- Howard: As you may have noticed, I have been conspicuously silent on these threads the last couple of days--in specific deference to the list owner, who has asked that discussions return to the basic theme of the list. Even so, not to answer your interrogatories would be rude: Republicans, in general, advocate both economic and social interventions. Libertarians advocate neither. That seems to me to be a rather greater difference then you would indicate above. How, exactly, do Republicans advocate social intervention--apart from attacking social programs (and their recipients) as the sole form of government waste? No staunch Republican I have ever met is for any form of social program other than the punishment of criminals. The same holds true for Libertarians. In a recent discussion with a very liberal friend of mine he asked me for my definition of fascism. I replied that it was a system of government which does not own the means of production (as in communism) but controls these businesses and society in general through regulation. He agreed with me on this. What is your definition of fascism? Fascism: a form of government of the extreme right; characterized by a functional merging of state and business interests, and of belligerent nationalism. Include within this more mechanical definition, a more subjective statement concerning the partisans of such a government's need to install same at the expense of the more defenseless members of society. Please define what you mean by social Darwinism. The belief in the social equivalent of survival of the fittest. I.e., "I've got mine, to hell with you." I have never heard a libertarian say that they were a social Darwinist. And you never will: the "partisans of apathy" (Republicans and Libertarians) haven't got the guts to present their real agenda for social scrutiny. Why is it that conservatives focus only on social problems with respect to governmental waste and invasiveness? Are there no other, more egregious, forms of government waste which would warrant the same kind of attention? The need for scapegoats is a form of government? No, but it is essential to the formation/installation of some forms of government: fascism specifically :-) You mean like the Department of Scapegoating? There's no need for departments. The pundits have a handle on this one by themselves. ROFL Edward "From the rage of today's downtrodden comes the revenge of tomorrow's revolutionary force." Edward Britton http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Talk to the planet: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Reality_Pump2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Understanding Republicans was something else
-Caveat Lector- One poster: Republicans, in general, advocate both economic and social interventions. Libertarians advocate neither. That seems to me to be a rather greater difference then you would indicate above. Edward Britton wrote: How, exactly, do Republicans advocate social intervention--apart from attacking social programs (and their recipients) as the sole form of government waste? No staunch Republican I have ever met is for any form of social program other than the punishment of criminals. The same holds true for Libertarians. MJ: Criminalization of drugs, prostitution, gambling, sodomy ... encouragement of prayer in the government schools, the government schools themselves ... How is that for a start? Edward Britton wrote: Fascism: a form of government of the extreme right; characterized by a functional merging of state and business interests, and of belligerent nationalism. Include within this more mechanical definition, a more subjective statement concerning the partisans of such a government's need to install same at the expense of the more defenseless members of society. fascism (fàsh´îz´em) noun A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. This would seem to fit either the democrats OR the republicans as fascism, like socialism and communism are subsets of Statism. That same other poster: Please define what you mean by social Darwinism. Edward Britton wrote: The belief in the social equivalent of survival of the fittest. I.e., "I've got mine, to hell with you." MJ: How exactly does one who disapproves of the Government forcibly taking an arbitrary amount of earnings from an arbitrarily defined group and redistributing this plunder to another arbitrary group fall within the confines of 'social Darwinism'? That same other poster: I have never heard a libertarian say that they were a social Darwinist. Edward Britton wrote: And you never will: the "partisans of apathy" (Republicans and Libertarians) haven't got the guts to present their real agenda for social scrutiny. Why is it that conservatives focus only on social problems with respect to governmental waste and invasiveness? Are there no other, more egregious, forms of government waste which would warrant the same kind of attention? MJ: What you describe (haphazardly) as a Republican is NOT a Libertarian -- grouping them together is dishonest. Read their (Ls) web page (www.lp.org) and explain what it is that places them in the confines you attempt. My reading of the Ls is their desire to end ALL of the Government waste by restoring this Constitutional Republic to its plainly written restrictions. In the communist textbook "PSYCHOPOLITICS," the art of controlling the thinking of entire populations taught at the Lenin School of Political Warfare, University of Moscow since 1933, we read: The first thing to be degraded in any nation under conquest must be man himself. ... He must be made to think of himself as an animal, capable only of animalistic reaction patterns. What exactly does one have when an attempt is made to equate the abolition of theft ... with 'Social Darwinism'? Regard$, --MJ A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicity. -- Thomas Jefferson, March 4, 1801, First Inaugural Address DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL]
[CTRL] Hemp vs. Petrochemical Industry
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.netspace.net.au/~mrg/hempcon.html During my research in June1996, I was reading a book titled, 'Hemp - Lifeline to the Future', by Chris Conrad, and I was overwhelmed by the sheer number of commercial and industrial applications of hemp. These applications included textiles, paper, valuable Medicines, food for humans and animals, fuel, and an untapped resource of biomass energy. We have a planet with dwindling, limited resources, and we are still gouging out mines and bores for energy supplies which are killing us. Car fumes daily poison the air for Billions of people in cities each day. The EPA found that up to half of all toxic related cancer deaths are from automobile emissions. A different fuel, such as octane boosting, naturally anti-freezing "ethanol", reduces carbon dioxide emissions by 30%, can be produced from a hemp crop. People with hemp crops would have growing oil wells. Sounds fantastic doesn't it. It doesn't sound good for everybody though. Think of the money that a petrochemical company could stand to lose, if we stopped using all of their synthetic products, and thoughtfully replaced them with natural hemp alternatives. The first disaster occurred in the United States of America, on the 2nd August, 1937, where a tax act was passed on hemp production. This law made the commercial and industrial applications of hemp virtually impossible. This required citizens to pay $1000 tax on each pound of hemp purchased. This tax act was no ordinary event. It was a masterminded scheme developed to protect certain industries from what would have been an early death. Four individuals have been credited in a number of resources as key conspirators against hemp. Each of the four had a significant vested interest in the demise of hemp, and it's commercial applications. Harry Jacob Anslinger, headed the Federal Bureau of Narcotics from the 1930's to the 1960's, and played a key role in destroying the name and real potential of hemp. Anslinger created his own brand of "Reefer Madness" propaganda, which played off the fears of the uneducated American population. Making casual links between Heroin and Marijuana use, between those 'filthy dope smoking Mexicans' and excessive violent behavior and crime, Anslinger was able to generate a snowball of paranoia. Once the ball was rolling, he was soon granted more manpower and more money, allowing him to cause more damage. Andrew Mellon, Harry Jacob Anslinger's uncle, owned Gulf Oil, which made him the richest man in the U.S. Mellon owned large areas of woodlands which were being transformed into wood pulp to make paper for the Randolf Hearst newspaper chain. Mellon lost some of his valuable woodland to Poncho Villa, a Mexican General. This could explain some of the anti-Mexican sentiments arising in Hearst's headlines and articles. Mexicans, African Americans, and Asians were popular scapegoats for white America's miseries, such as unemployment, violence, crime, and narcotic trade. Lammant Du Pont, owner of a the large petrochemical company DU PONT, the inventors of the synthetic fabric "nylon", would have had considerable difficulty trying to compete with hemp's superior quality and strength fabric, it's potential for fuel and energy resources, and many other applications which would have been front line competitors with Du Pont's synthetic products. Anslinger, Mellon, Hearst and Du Pont achieved the ultimate American dream by aiding in eliminating the opposition, allowing vested interests to be realized in the form of a high profit margin for all involved. Such attitudes are still reflected in contempory politics, by politicians like Bill Clinton. Whose attitudes are vastly different to earlier American Presidents, like George Washington, who made it law that everyone must grow hemp. George understood the value of hemp, he knew hemp-cloth would keep people warm throughout the cold winter, its seeds were nutritious, and it's medicine was effective, and it's economical status valuable. Matt Gardiner / Hemp Conspiracy images / Curriculum Vitae DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To
[CTRL] Can anyone help?
-Caveat Lector- Can anyone forward me anything on the Democratic Congressmen who took to the floor of Congress and said that Clinton should be impeached for making war on Iraq without COngressional approval? Thanks. Send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. Jim Condit Jr. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: [InTheShadows] U.S. preparing to hit Iraq harder
-Caveat Lector- Willy is at it again!!! -Original Message- From: Dan S [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 1:38 PM Subject: [InTheShadows] U.S. preparing to hit Iraq harder From: Dan S [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: http://www.herald.com:80/usa/digdocs/019140.htm - U.S. preparing to hit Iraq harder Response possible to attack or chemical weapons discovery By JOHN DONNELLY Herald Washington Bureau WASHINGTON -- As the United States and Iraq continue skirmishing, the Clinton administration is preparing for an escalation that would involve air attacks against Iraq far more severe than the 70-hour Operation Desert Fox that ended Dec. 19, according to administration officials. Instead of pinpoint strikes, the administration is ready to carry out sustained bombing that could last up to three weeks, said three officials with the State Department and the National Security Council, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The attacks would begin if Iraq downed an American or British plane patrolling the ``no-fly'' zones in southern and northern Iraq. Other triggers would be if Iraqi President Saddam Hussein threatened the Kurdish minority in northern Iraq or the neighboring Arab states of Kuwait or Saudi Arabia, or if the administration learned the Iraqi leader was reconstituting biological, chemical or ballistic weapons. The use of sustained strikes would mark a more aggressive policy aimed at overthrowing Hussein rather than simply isolating his regime, the officials said. Few U.S. options remain Hussein's ability to stay in power has continually frustrated American policymakers. Now, only a few options remain, including limited retaliation or stepping up scenarios to overthrow Hussein. As it chooses the latter, the administration expects a particularly difficult period ahead. Following the December bombings and reports this week that the CIA and the National Security Agency had worked with United Nations weapons inspectors to listen to conversations among Hussein's elite troops, administration officials said the best they can expect is a less intrusive U.N. inspection regime. Under U.N. resolutions, Iraq must be disarmed before the lifting of economic sanctions imposed after its invasion of Kuwait in 1990. ``We know that we are going to lose the battle on UNSCOM,'' the U.N. Special Commission charged with disarming Iraq, one of the national security officials said. Richard Butler, the executive chairman of the inspection effort, is expected to lose his position because of questions about his cooperation with American spies, two U.N. Security Council diplomats said, speaking on condition of anonymity. Hazards of new policy The new, go-it-alone policy against Hussein is not without potential pitfalls. For one thing, it is predicated on the Iraqi leader provoking an attack, which means letting him set the pace. For another, analysts say, sentiment against the Americans from U.N. Security Council members France, Russia and China will probably grow if the standoff continues. Today, some argue, the United States is in a far worse position with Iraq than a year ago. ``The crises are all driven by Iraq,'' said Laurie Mylorie, publisher of Iraq News, an online newsletter that closely monitors developments there. ``Who would have thought a year ago that UNSCOM would be gone. That's a significant change [working] against the United States.'' But others see factors mounting against Hussein. Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, head of U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf, said Friday that Hussein had revealed some vulnerability about security in southern Iraq by executing key military commanders during or after the bombing raids. ``I think there is some confusion in the ranks and some disgruntlement,'' Zinni said, referring to Iraqi troops in the south. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. InTheShadows (formally the list known as exploration) is a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date with new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories', politics, and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to InTheShadows go to: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/InTheShadows You can write me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary Thomas DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many
[CTRL] Fw: Clinton's new Hustler column
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Rputnam5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 11:40 AM Subject: Clinton's new Hustler column The business of America is business. The publishers of Hustler magazine are only too aware of this maxim, so they're recently engaged President Clinton to write a new monthly column for them, entitled "Dear Mr. President ..." This column will feature intimate letters written by and to President Bill Clinton. Check out the full story at -- http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Alley/9610/ Here's a selection from the satire: "We'll begin 'Dear Mr. President ...' in our March issue," says Nevada Lahon, Senior Editor of Hustler. "The first few letters will be from young women -- primarily in their late teens and early twenties describing what they'd like to do sexually with and to the president. Each will be followed by a presidential response in which the president clarifies exactly what each girl is talking about and why each act referred to, no matter how explicit or blatantly sexual, will not be construed as sexual intercourse. Cheers, Rob Rob Putnam - Chicago See my satire and news parody page at: http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Alley/9610/ Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/ For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: http://a-albionic.com/search.html ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Please Patronize PRJ's Advertisers: http://home.msen.com/~daugh/store.htm Many Pay Even If You Just Look and Don't Buy! Video Finder, Free catalogs, Health Products, Sweepstakes, Etc. *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Who Killed Diana?
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.scallywag.org/diana/index.html IX - The Marwan Mystery There is a whole other level of theory which is personally most attractive to me but does not necessarily directly include the Super-Establishment or any security services. It creates an entirely rather different scenario. But each scenario would be intricately linked. I hope I have established the simple fact that the British Old Guard had wholly disapproved of both al-Fayed and Diana. Even if they were not directly responsible for an assassination, it would have been remarkably convenient to them to dispose of the Princess before she did what they considered to be further serious damage to British interests. It is an earnest, if grim, contention of mine that, had they have been aware of an assassination plot against either the Fayed family or Diana, it would have been in the interests of the Old Guard to turn a blind eye. It is therefore important to establish that the tragedy may not have been against the Princess in particular, but could well have been against the Fayeds themselves. When, at 17, Dodi first came to live in London his father gave him for his birthday his own mini-moke - and his first bodyguard. In later life, before the royal romance, he was never seen without at least two minders. This used to amuse people at, say, Tramps - the fashionable London night-club - because one man would always be close to Dodi while the other prowled around looking for threats of any kind. A table for six at the Ivy - one of his favourite London watering holes - would always have to be accompanied by at least two more seats for his minders. When the wars, first between al-Fayed and Tiny Rowland over the House of Fraser, and then during al-Fayeds celebrated public fight with the Tory government, were at their height, Dodi may increase his personal bodyguard to four or even six. Other friends also noted that if he lost sight of his table at any time, he would discard all the drinks and order fresh ones. He was terrified that someone may have spiked his drink. This was the same in Hollywood where friends would joke about it with him. As an excuse, he would sometimes say, "my father is involved with some very dangerous things," and once he referred to a mysterious "kidnap attempt in Egypt when I was young." The Broccoli family (of James Bond film fame) - close friends for years - put it down to his "James Bond make-believe fantasies." But now, no one is so sure. There is strong evidence to suggest that all the Fayeds lived in a constant state of paranoia. Mohamed himself still lives in a series of fortresses, guarded by a private army of professional minders. Paranoia or not, both al-Fayed and his son certainly believed there was a constant threat to their lives. In early 1998 it was alleged by a former top Harrods security man that all the phones in the store were bugged and anything of sensitivity was reported back to the boss. It is the same at the Ritz. This is a positive sign of latent paranoia. While trawling the net for leads I suddenly came across an item which looked very familiar. And as I read through it I realised I was the original author. I remember the story well, but had forgotten (the article was five years old) that it had a very heavy al-Fayed connection. Enough anyway in this narrative to diverge somewhat. I had written the article while Scallywag was still confined to Camden in North London which, as hundreds of thousands of tourists know, has a huge and cosmopolitan open-air market each weekend. One section is called The Stables and was once used to house horses overnight which during the day had pulled the barges along the Regents Canal. The Stables had a chequered history and had changed hands several times. Camden council had virtually given it away to a collection of artists and craftsmen to set up workshops. By the nineties the whole market had taken off and the real estate had become almost priceless. The entire area around the market and canal had become vastly fashionable and such things as old railway sheds and canal warehouses were being converted into flats at astronomical profits. At Scallywag we set out to find out who was making all the money. We established that The Stables had been ultimately bought by - to us - a mystery Egyptian called Ashraf Marwan. Virtually nothing was known about him at the time. There were a couple of innocuous cuttings in newspaper libraries, but no real information. We did a check at Companies House on the finance company behind the deals called Cabra. (Companies House is the official register of any British limited company and any such company is obliged under the law to lodge all their official papers and accounts there). We discovered a fascinating web of dodgy companies run by "faces" which put their names to it, but were not the power behind the throne. Marwan - in hundreds of sheets of financial detail - got a single cursory mention and his
[CTRL] Who Killed Diana? [2]
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.scallywag.org/diana/index.html X - "Le Cercle" One very positive connection which supports the theory that Marwan and his cronies were not just tolerated but actively encouraged by the Super-Establishment, is that they were at one stage (and almost certainly still are) king-pins of what the establishment first called the "Safari Club". This was an extraordinary but loose organisation which, because of its strong anti-Communist intentions, was heavily backed by the entire Western right wing. The Safari Club actually existed as an extraordinary and very exclusive Afro-French club in Paris. It had a ground floor restaurant and bar, but there was a proper club underneath which was very exclusive. By chance in London I met a man who, when he was a student, had worked there as a bus boy. The club itself no longer exists, but then it was decked out exotically with such things as elephant feet as stools. The whole place resembled a safari tent and people met by the flickering light of kerosene lamps. My friend worked mainly in the restaurant above, but also sometimes acted as a relief in the club itself. He said: "It was entirely eccentric in a sinister sort of way. I knew for sure that it was ultra-right wing, and it was always heavily conspiratorial. I was told never to recognise any of the patrons and they would literally huddle and talk in whispers. They always stopped talking if I was in earshot. It was an eerie place but at the time I needed the money. I didnt really know the significance of it all until much later when I read that Chirac had had it closed down. I didnt really actually recognise anyone, but some of them looked familiar and they were multi-national". This clandestine but highly active international group in turn led to an offspring loosely called "Le Cercle" or the Pinay Circle, which became altogether more organised and dangerous. This was the group that the Baroness had emphasised I should look into if I wanted to get positive clues as to an assassination, and the more I did, the more convinced I became that they might be implicated in some way. These people would not have smiled at Dianas pacifist activities The original "Safari Club" was set up by the French ultra right-winger, Count Alexander de Maranches, who was the Director of the French Service for External Documentation and Espionage (SDECE) during the seventies. A group which the socialist Francois Mitterand described when he took power in France in 1981, as "a haven of fascist hysterics and military retainers inimical in their right to govern." A year later he abolished the SDECE and replaced it with the Direction Generale de la Securite Exterieure (DGSE). Under the Director, Pierre Marion, the entire French security system was re-directed towards Industrial Espionage which wholly supported the Group Bull, a "state-owned company which sits at the very heart of Frances formidable military-industrial complex" (Mark Shernik). Bull, went into a curious alliance with Honeywell, the US computer firm, with full DGSE backing. Honeywell was the largest manufacturer of landmines. It was this group who was to supply landmines to both sides in Bosnia. In the seventies, when all this was being formulated under the auspices of the Safari Club, Marwan and co. were most active. The club had originated as a consortium formed between the secret police forces of the Shah of Iran (SAVAK), Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Anwar Sadat of Egypt (The Marwan connection), and the Saudi Intelligence Service headed by Kamal Adham (later of BCCI fame). It was expressly formed to support regimes that were actively anti-Communist and to try and put down regimes that were not. In this second category it arranged coup detats in Central Africa, Congo, Nigeria and Mali. Because of its nature, the group was heavily into the supply of arms. When billion dollar contracts for arms are floating about, the Establishment is amazingly tolerant and it was during this time that Marwan became a very rich young man. "Le Cercle" eventually spread its tentacles throughout the Western World, but it started in France, as a cogent force, during the Premiership of Antoine Pinay in 1951. Pinay attended the notorious Bilderberg meeting in Ossterbeek, Holland in May 1954. Here he identified others of his extreme political ilk and with the active co-operation of Jean Violet of the then SDECE and Otto von Hapsburg, heir to the Austrian throne, he formed the club. By the sixties their covert membership was truly astonishing. The "inner circle" included, among many others, Nicholas Elliot, a department head at MI6; William Colby, former controversial director of the CIA; Colonel Botta, of Swiss Military Intelligence; Stefano Della Chiaie, a leading member of the Italian Secret Service; Giullo Andreotti, former Italian Prime Minister and member of P2, who, it was later proved, gave the Italian Mafia presidential protection; General Antonio de Spinola,
[CTRL] Fw: Culling of Humanity Has Begun by Mysterious Aerial Spraying ?
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 12:28 PM Subject: Mysterious Aerial Spraying ? The Environmental News Service reports that in remote regions of the U.S., fleets of jets are creating massive grid-work contrail pattern across the sky and apparently are also spraying some kind of substance out of their wing tips that seems to be making people deathly ill. The fleets of jets lay a grid-work pattern of contrails that expand and turn a once clear sky into an overcast, and then according to witnesses a "cobwebb" like material falls from the sky, which seems to make people very ill. One witness to these events goes so far as to suggest that with the secrecy said to surround these aerial activities and the illness they seem to induce in those on the ground, there is secret plan in the works for a mass culling of the human race (which United Nations population reports suggest is too large, and the U.N.'s Universal Declaration of Human Rights does stipulate that your right to life can be revoked if it's deemed to be "contrary to the purposes of the U.N.") Full story: http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-08-05.html Anybody know of an innocuous explanation for such spraying? Could this be some kind of cloud-formation experimentation? Is such formation-flying consistent with commercial-pilot practice (which airport officials claim to be the case)? __ I just discovered this shocking fact the other day: The United Nations Universal Declairation of Human Rights defines the right to revoke all human rights if and when they are determined to be contrary to the purposes of the U.N. as stipulated in Article 29, which states: "These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations." http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/a_udhr.htm So if my right to life is deemed to be contrary to the central purpose, I may not exercise it! :( This is a great contract! Where do I sign? Oh ya, our government already signed us up, how sweet. Visit Ian Williams Goddard -- http://Ian.Goddard.net (+) Something can come from nothing, if, and only if, (-) (-) that something is equal to nothing ((-)+(+) = 0). (+) "[I]n any closed universe the negative gravitational energy cancels the energy of matter exactly. The total energy, or equivalently the total mass, is precisely equal to zero." - + - + Dr. Alan Guth (The Inflationary Universe) + - + - -- Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/ For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: http://a-albionic.com/search.html ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Please Patronize PRJ's Advertisers: http://home.msen.com/~daugh/store.htm Many Pay Even If You Just Look and Don't Buy! Video Finder, Free catalogs, Health Products, Sweepstakes, Etc. *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL]
[CTRL] Fw: Dr. Louis Jolyon West, RIP
-Caveat Lector- Yikes! AP left out Dr. West's MKULTRA, CIA mind control program leadership! What injustice! -Original Message- From: FightBack2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 5:33 AM Subject: Dr. Louis Jolyon West, RIP LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Dr. Louis Jolyon West, a psychiatrist and cult expert who conducted court-ordered examinations of Jack Ruby and Patricia Hearst, has died of cancer. He was 74. West, who died Saturday at his home here, headed the psychiatry department and the Neuropsychiatric Institute at the University of California at Los Angeles for 20 years. He retired in 1989, but remained active in research and mentoring students. West began studying torture and brainwashing during the Korean War, and eventually expanded his research to include post-traumatic stress syndrome, alcohol and drug abuse, pain, sleep problems, dreams and hypnosis. West frequently served as a court-appointed expert psychiatrist. He testified that Ruby, killer of President Kennedy's assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, suffered from ``major mental illness apparently precipitated by the stress of his trial and its aftermath.'' That opinion forestalled Ruby's death sentence, and he died of cancer in prison. West was also one of four psychiatrists who examined Hearst, the kidnapping victim turned bank robber, before her 1976 trial. The panel found she was sane and able to stand trial but ``psychologically damaged as a result of torture.'' It recommended she should be treated before the trial, a recommendation ignored by the court. In a speech after Hearst's conviction, West said, ``The government finished the destruction of her life started by an anti-government group.'' Her sentence was eventually commuted. West was sought out by the news media for insight on cults as recently as 1997, when the group Heaven's Gate staged a mass suicide in San Diego. A civil rights activist, West was the first white psychiatrist to go to South Africa to testify on behalf of black prisoners during the attempt to end apartheid. He was a member of the White House Conference on Civil Rights in 1966, and he worked for years to abolish the death penalty. Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/ For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: http://a-albionic.com/search.html ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Please Patronize PRJ's Advertisers: http://home.msen.com/~daugh/store.htm Many Pay Even If You Just Look and Don't Buy! Video Finder, Free catalogs, Health Products, Sweepstakes, Etc. *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CTRL List
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 2:32:46 PM GMT-5:00 - United States of Ame, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hiya Kris, My vote would be for 2 lists: one for discussion and the second one to post articles. A combined lists would mean way too many posts. IMHO. Hilary I concur with Hilary! Bill I agree with Bill and Hilary(who'd have thought?) Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: TURMEL: TRAGEDY AND HOPE Chapters I-IV
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: John Turmel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: can.politics,sci.econ,sci.engr,ncf.ca.lets,alt.politics.greens,alt.fan.john- turmel,alt.conspiracy Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 1:46 AM Subject: TURMEL: TRAGEDY AND HOPE Chapters I-IV TRAGEDY AND HOPE Chapters I-IV by Dr. Carroll Quigley ISBN 0913022-14-4 CONTENTS I. INTRODUCTION: WESTERN CIVILIZATION IN ITS WORLD SETTING II. WESTERN CIVILIZATION TO 1914 III. THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE TO 1917 IV. THE BUFFER FRINGE V. THE FIRST WORLD WAR VI. THE VERSAILLES SYSTEM AND RETURN TO NORMALCY 1919-1929 VII. FINANCE, COMMERCIAL POLICY AND BUSINESS ACTIVITY 1897-1947 VIII. INTERNATIONAL SOCIALISM AND THE SOVIET CHALLENGE IX. GERMANY FROM KAISER TO HITLER 1913-1945 X. BRITAIN: THE BACKGROUND TO APPEASEMENT 1900-1939 XI. CHANGING ECONOMIC PATTERNS XII. THE POLICY OF APPEASEMENT 1931-1936 XIII. THE DISRUPTION OF EUROPE XIV. WORLD WAR II: THE TIDE OF AGGRESSION 1939-1941 XV. WORLD WAR II: THE EBB OF AGGRESSION 1941-1945 XVI. THE NEW AGE XVII. NUCLEAR RIVALRY AND COLD WAR, AMERICAN NUCLEAR SUPERIORITY 1950- 1957 XVIII. NUCLEAR RIVALRY AND COLD WAR, RACE FOR THE H-BOMB 1950-1957 XIX. THE NEW ERA XX. TRAGEDY AND HOPE: THE FUTURE IN PERSPECTIVE Back cover TRAGEDY AND HOPE is a lively, informed and always readable view of our not quite One World of today, seen in historical perspective. Quigley has already shown his command of the kind of historical perspective seen in the a world like that of Toynbee and Spengler; but unlike them he does not so much concern himself with projections from a distant past to a distant future as he does with what must interest us all much more closely - our own future and that of our immediate descendants. He uses the insights, but in full awareness of the limitations of our modern social sciences, and especially those of economics, sociology, and psychology. Not all readers will agree with what he sees ahead of us in the near future, nor with what he thinks we should do about it. But all will find this provocative and sometimes provoking book a stimulus to profitable reflection. David Brinton Inside cover TRAGEDY AND HOPE shows the years 1895-1950 as a period of transition from the world dominated by Europe in the nineteenth century to the world of three blocs in the twentieth century. With clarity, perspective and cumulative impact, Professor Quigley examines the nature of that transition through two world wars and a worldwide economic depression. As an interpretative historian, he tries to show each event in the full complexity of its historical context. The result is a unique work, notable in several ways. It gives a picture of the world in terms of the influence of different cultures and outlooks upon each other; it shows, more completely than in any similar work, the influence of science and technology on human life; and it explains, with unprecedented clarity, how the intricate financial and commercial patterns of the West prior to 1914 influenced the development of today's world. Carroll Quigley, professor of history at the Foreign Service School of Georgetown University, formerly taught at Princeton and at Harvard. He has done research in the archives of France, Italy and England, and is the author of the widely praised "Evolution of Civilizations." A member of the editorial board of the monthly Current History, he is a frequent lecturer and consultant for public and semi- public agencies. He is a member of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the American Anthropological Association, and the American Economic Association, as well as various historical associations. He has been lecturer on Russian history at the Industrial College of the Armed Forces since 1951 and on Africa at the Brookings Institution since 1961, and has lectured at many other other places including the U.S. Naval Weapons Laboratory, the Foreign Service Institute of the State Department, and the Naval College at Norfolk, Virginia. In 1958, he was a consultant to the Congressional Select Committee which set up the present national space agency. He was collaborator in history to the Smithsonian Institution after 1957, in connection with the establishment of its new Museum of History and Technology. In the summer of 1964 he went to the Navy Post-Graduate School, Monterey, California, as a consultant to project Seabed, which tried to visualize what American weapons systems would be like in twelve years. CHAPTER I: INTRODUCTION: WESTERN CIVILIZATION IN ITS WORLD SETTING Page 3 Each civilization is born in some inexplicable fashion and, after a slow start, enters a period of vigorous expansion, increasing its size and power, both internally and at the expense of its neighbors, until gradually a crisis of organization appears... It becomes stabilized and eventually stagnant. After a Golden Age of peace and prosperity, internal crises again arise. At this point, there appears for the
[CTRL] Clinton's new Hustler column Duh
-Caveat Lector- I saw Flint's daughter on some program and they said Flint actually got the scoop on republicians from the FBI files that the democrats took illegaly. By this story Flint is pretending to get scoops from the public when he is actualy working for the democrats and using copies of the fbi files to get his info ... of course the democratic mob family would not be blamed for what Flint does. If Flint is getting his scoop from the public, is it only republician politicians who engage in such sex acts? If Flint is not working for clinton, then where are his exposures of whoremonger democrats? HMmmm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 1:54:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan has obtained what he regards as convincing evidence that United Nations arms inspectors helped collect eavesdropping intelligence used in American efforts to undermine the Iraqi regime, according to confidants who said he is deeply alarmed by the implications of the relationship for the world body. I thought my husband was crazy when he said this almost a year ago. He has a lot of military experience behind him, and he said it was pretty obvious. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] Weir-ere They May Roam ...
From: "Gregory or Cheryl Thomas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 17:10:28 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy B. Carmain) Subject: Fwd: [priory-of-sion] Re: HRH Prince Nicholas deVere I've finally managed to enlarge de Vere's genealogy from the Dragon Order web page, and I must say it gets points for sheer inventiveness. Much of it is absolutely certifiable, i.e the descent from Pepin III and the lineage of the Earls of Oxford (with the possible exception of their descent from the Tuatha de Danaan who are mythological beings). However, de Vere's line seems to be grafted on circa 1139 with a younger son of Alberic de Vere, Count of Guisnes by the name of Robert, who I can't seem to locate in my usual sources. This Robert is purportedly the progenitor of the "Royal Vere of Scotland" line (odd since I've never come across a reference to the de Veres as kings of Scotland), wherein the name was corrupted to "Weir" some centuries later. The unbroken line continues down to the present day through various Lords Weir of Vere (?), who surprisingly aren't noted anywhere in Burke's Peerage, Burke's Landed Gentry, Debrett's Peerage, or Ruvigny's Titled Nobility of Europe. This, according to Prince Nicholas, is the line of the Hereditary Dragon Lords of Sarkany Rend - but he stops short of explaining how a Scots family (and the "Royal" family to boot!) came to head up what he identifies elsewhere as a Hungarian order, established by a German Emperor and consort of a Queen of Hungary who was herself of French ancestry... 'tis a mystery still. The line culminates with "HRH The Princeps Draconis, Nicholas II (?) de Vere, Sovereign Grand Master of the Imperial and Royal Dragon Court, Sarkany Rend, Grand Master of the Knights Templar, and HRH The Prince Drakenberg". It would appear that "Prince" Michael and the Stewarts have been swept aside for the "Weir de Veres". I faxed these charts to a genealogist chum up in San Francisco, as he is fairly up on his faux claimants as well. Surprisingly, my friend called me to say that he had seen these charts before, although the "Weir de Vere" surname was a new inclusion. He identified "Prince Nicholas" as one Tom Weir, a Scotsman who at one time claimed that the Habsburgs were illegitimate and that they had usurped the throne of the Holy Roman Empire from the de Vere dynasty. Aside from the fact that it's a bit difficult to usurp an elective throne, Mr. Weir's contention that the German "W" is pronounced "V", thus Weir=Vere is a bit off. In German, "ei" is pronounced as a long "i", thus if pronounced in German, "Weir" would be pronounced as "Vire", rhyming with "fire". My colleague seems to think that the author of these very imaginative charts is none other than "Sir" Laurence Gardner himself, apparently a close associate of Mr. Weir. Tim Carmain Timothy B. Carmain Business Manager, Mesa Court Housing University of California, Irvine (949) 824-7533 voice, (949) 824-3046 fax Tim -- How valid then is the below in light of the above? ' Clan Weir The name Weir, like many lowland Scottish names, is of Norman origin from one or several of the places named Vere around the Calvados region of France. The word was introduced into Normandy by the Norsemen from their own word "ver" meaning a station. It appears that Ralph or Radulphus de Ver is the first of the name recorded in Scotland. He was taken prisoner along with Richard the Lion in 1174; he later witnessed a charter by King William I sometime between 1174 and 1184. During the same period he gifted a bovate of land in Sprouston, Roxburgh to the Abbey of Kelso; his brother, Robert de Ver, was a witness to this charter. The Weirs of Blackwood, Lanarkshire, claim their descent from this Ralph de Ver, although this cannot be proven as their name does not appear on record until 1400 when they acquired their lands. Other Weirs were vassals of the Abbots of Kelso and as such held extensive lands in Lesmahagow. Some of the MacNairs in Cowal anglisized their name to Weir or Veir, the Gaelic original being Mac Amhaoir; the "mh" is pronounced "v". MacAmhaoir has been extinct as a name for about two hundred years and the anglicization into Weir may well have contributed to its disappearance. William Weir was created 1st Viscount Weir in 1 938; he had been Secretary of State and Chairman of the Air Council in 1918 and industrial adviser to the Ottawa Conference in 1932. The best remembered of the Weirs is Major Thomas Weir of Kirktown c.1600-1670, the "Bowheaded Saint". Born in Lanarkshire, he was a lieutenant in the army sent by the Covenanters to protect the Ulster colonies in 1641. Later he was a major in Lanark's Regiment and was appointed to command the City Guard of Edinburgh.
Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying
-Caveat Lector- It is becoming increasing clear to me that Saddam is being set up. Now, before people start gnashing teeth, I think one of the reasons he was "selected" is because of his willingness to the more nefarious things he is being credited with doing. Some of you may recall (and my memory is fuzzy on this because it was so long ago) that a year before the Desert Storm (not Fox) Saddam approached the US government to mediate a dispute he was having with Kuwait. He said that they were stealing Iraqi oil (and I don't remember the details of how this was being done. I believe through the pipeline that runs through Kuwait). Basically, Bush brushed him off and told Saddam to deal with it himself. Which, of course, he did. So, IF Saddam is being set up, I want to know to what end. If it were simply a matter of "eliminating" him that would have been done long ago despite being told how difficult it is to locate him. Hilary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 1:54:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan has obtained what he regards as convincing evidence that United Nations arms inspectors helped collect eavesdropping intelligence used in American efforts to undermine the Iraqi regime, according to confidants who said he is deeply alarmed by the implications of the relationship for the world body. I thought my husband was crazy when he said this almost a year ago. He has a lot of military experience behind him, and he said it was pretty obvious. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] End of oil economy
-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: -Caveat Lector- The Death of the Oil Economy by Ted Trainer From Earth Island Journal, Spring 1997 Australia - A new report on world oil resources, World Oil Supply 1930-2050 (Campbell and Laherre, Petroconsultants Pty. Ltd., 1995), concludes that the planet's oil supplies will be exhausted much sooner than previously thought. The report, written for oil industry insiders and priced at $32,000 per copy, concludes that world oil production and supply probably will peak as soon as the year 2000 and will decline to half the peak level by 2025. Large and permanent increases in oil prices are predicted after the year 2000. They wish. How did you get your copy? Did you pay $32,000? If not how did you get it? Did you steal it? Notice how new it is? 1995? If this report were believeable gas prices should have gone up considerably since then. Have they? Or is this just propaganda? Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- Welcome Carlene This is a research list and even limited to a 100 posts a day it can still be hard to keep up. There are achieves available at Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ that when you check this thread you will see what was posted before you signed on. I for one don't have much truck with personal discussions and so this is the last that you will see me on this thread. I am starting a new one with something that I have only posted as a URL. Education, Religion and Propaganda It starts slow and then takes off. Laura AKA The Pied Piper -Original Message- From: Carlene M. Wojahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison -Caveat Lector- Thank you for your warm welcome..the first post I opened up was the post accusing you to be someone else. The mentality of that first message got me wondering about this list. But I will stick around and see what I can learn, if anything I can learn from youand others who actually think before they write.. and for those of you wondering if I am someone else from this list check out my isp and you find out that I am not..I really am me. Carlene Carlene William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- Carlene, Welcome to the list! This is the second time I've subscribed...and you DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Education, Religion and Propaganda
http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/EducationReligionandPropoganda.htm (c) Dec 6, 1998 by Laura Lee Lanning*Shipton The main url for this site is http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm Disclaimer: PG educated open mind Because this is a different view point on Religion then is found from straight scripture. This means that kids better check with their parents before reading farther. Education, Religion and Propaganda Part 1 Working rich normally realize how they got there and that most anyone could potentially have a chance to get to the same place. That what they have is a responsibility and Obligation. Many (of them) do not think of what they have as toys, but as tools! If you are capable of using these tools (as carrots) to motivate others to study and work to get to that level too, that is the ultimate! To teach people to read so that they are capable of educating them selves. To put this on a personal basis. I check with my conscience on many things that I do. Example: I am great at phonics and eventually would like to help at the public library with the people that are learning to read. Why don't I - Not counting kids, school, and finances? Because I see things in the school to work law that will make me a commodity (my mind and education) that can be directed (bought and sold) by the government if it goes into effect. That can make me unable to direct my life because if the Texas Constitution (which is based on the US Constitution) is able to be re-written (like they have talked about and want to currently do) - If I even want to go to school, and have my children schooled, then I will have to bow to however the government decides that they are able to make the most money from my education. Sold to the highest bidder. A year ago I aspired to go to the Department of Education as a person that was financially independent - as a science fiction writer - then on to Astronomy with Physics, still writing science fiction. I should be past Linear Algebra, yet I have not been able to take time to go past the College Algebra that I learned a year ago because I am trying to make my voice heard. Waco of the 1980's was clean enough that the the major people / members of Baylor and the Catholic Church were willing to go into the night clubs, and there was no stigma (except economic need - have and have not - that you had to work) attached to working at one of the clubs. Gradually they left (were driven out) and that protection / insight left with them. They may have turned there noses up at some of the patrons, but they respected the Management (etc.) and realized that people were human. When some people tried to keep the US from finding out that the fact that sugar seems to be the main reason that some alcohol is addictive, and by keeping us from researching and finding that in England a pub owner that adds sugar to his brew is (a little more than) discredited they helped take this town down. Why? Genetics, like Hitler. By being able to say that alcohol addiction has a genetic basis you open the door to things like eugenics and trying to say that ethnic things are genetic. Homosexualism - Genetic? Get real. But if you know about Iceland being predominantly Female and China being predominantly male you start to look and wonder. *urls* Demasculization of Animals, Humans next? Then to the current scoop on chemicals http://www.enn.com/news/enn-stories/1998/10/102998/chemical.asp World Wildlife Fund - chemicals in the environment - http://www.worldwildlife.org/toxics/ Demasculization of Animals, Humans next? - http://biology.usgs.gov/frog.html This mostly relates to the connection between pesticides and BSE, These include Organophosphate sheep dip Diazinon, Propetamphos, Chlorfenvinphos, Carbophenothion; and via a third party, went on to Cufomate, which he had used as a warble fly dressing. I later explored all the OPs which had been used in the Gulf War. http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/2836/index.html ---Why would people want to put this on a genetic basis? from: Rockefeller Drug Censor Empire ftp://ftp.tetrahedron.org/pub/Rockefeller_Drug_Censor_Empire.txt The Drug Story --- *end of urls* So where would this leave us eventually? Eventually? How about today! Courting homosexuals? How about keeping some from realizing that they have no chance of having offspring. What better way then for many of them to not even want offspring? Also, saying that it is genetic? Homosexualism genetic? What if this were common knowledge (if the males and Churches) were to stop Idolizing Maleness and realize that the human male is a endangered item. --my comment, (I like the fact that there are males - Viva La Difference!@$^))*%##@^*)(-!... If that is being dominated then what else is that testosterone good for? Worry about me wanting to be a male and have to
[CTRL] RABBI MARVIN ANTELMAN - FATHER OF JEWISH NWO STUDY
-Caveat Lector- --- Antelman Author:barry chamish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1998/07/29 Forums:israel.lists.il-talk --- RABBI MARVIN ANTELMAN - FATHER OF JEWISH NWO STUDY by Barry Chamish My recent article on CFR control of American Jewish organizations led to requests for more information. I recalled that Rabbi Marvin Antelman had researched the subject and I quickly reread his 1974 book 'To Eliminate The Opiate' (Zahavia Ltd. New York, Tel Aviv), which has since become a bona fide classic of contemporary conspiracy literature, endlessly quoted by authors of the field from both the Left and Right. Upon perusing the work again, I was amazed how advanced was Rabbi Antelman's perspective. No other Jew that I'm aware of was writing exposes of the New World Order back in 1974. The title of the book sums up the thesis that an organized assault on the Jewish religion was mounted by Illuminati forces in the eighteenth century and the plan is capably enforced today by the court Jews of the NWO. Rabbi Antelman begins his book with a look at the Bund, the first organization dedicated to the assimilation of Judaism into nothing. He writes: The Bund which existed as a secret society was later to become known as the International Communist Party. The actual origin of the Bund seems lost in obscurity but it is believed by many political scientists to have been influenced largely by another secret organization, the Illuminati, the brainchild of a Bavarian intellectual named Adam Weishaupt... [or, by the Frankists...] Their lust for power was of such great dimensions that it could cause any loyalties that they may have harbored for their own religious orders to become ancillary to the objectives of the Bund. It suited these people both socially and by temperament to retain a facade of religious formalism which did not prevent them from going about their demonic business of destroying religion methodically... It was Jacob Schiff and his family who played a prominent role in developing the Reform and Conservative apostate Jewish movements and who aided them at critical stages of their development in putting into action the demonic masterplan to undermine all world religions. Fragmentation and divide and conquer tactics were the order of the day. If Jews could be fragmentized and irreversibly split, success in implementing the religious revolution would be achieved. A hundred and six pages later, Rabbi Antelman brings us up to date and claims the same forces are at work in America today: The Frankists today no longer call themselves by that name. The Organization has grown into an international group labelled by outsiders as The Cult Of The All-Seeing Eye... In the United States they are most active in Boston, New York, Washington and San Francisco. Their ranks and sponsors include some very famous people, numbering diplomats, senators, governors and clergymen... In Jewish circles they dominate the Reform movement at many levels and the Conservative movement at the highest level... The other Jewish circles that they dominate are the Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Congress and Federations of Jewish Charities in many American cities. These days, I meet with Rabbi Antelman often at his home in Rehovot. He now acknowledges that the headquarters of the forces he wrote about a generation ago are in the Manhattan offices of the Council On Foreign Relations. end --- Copyright © 1995-98 Deja News, Inc. All rights reserved. +++ Communist Strategy for Conquest: Subversion and destruction of religious faith: Rabbi Marvin Antelman's TO ELIMINATE THE OPIATE (New York: Zahavia, 1974) explores the illuminist/communist subversion of traditional Judaism. +++ From an old A-Albionic Catalog: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/LITTLE.html To Eliminate the Opiate: The Frightening Inside Story of Communist and Conspiratorial Group Efforts to Destroy Jews, Judaism, and Israel - by Rabbi Marvin S. Antleman, 1974 Rare/Out-of-Print Paperback, 166 pages, Order #00867 $25.00 +++ from: Evidence of a Master Conspiracy, by William H. McIlhany, 4-4-87 http://home.earthlink.net/~whm/download.txt These are two books that are most important on understanding the organized effort of the Conspiracy to destroy Judaism. I recommend strongly Rabbi Marvin Antelman's, TO ELIMINATE THE OPIATE, a very important study on the setting up of phony movements among Jewish communities in Europe and the United States to destroy Jewish faith. The accompanying book, PERFIDY by Ben Hecht, is the only accurate book on the real founding fathers of the present-day state of Israel. It tells
[CTRL] Fwd: FREE THE AIRWAVES
Source: Investors Business Daily FREE THE AIRWAVES By SCOTT G. BULLOCK What do a North Dakota farmer, a Berkeley political radical and a Connecticut gospel radio-station owner have in common? They're all considered outlaws in the Federal Communications Commission's misguided campaign to get rid of low-power radio. Roy Neset's Tioga, N.D., farm isn't quite in the middle of nowhere, but it's close. Neset wanted to listen to talk radio while cultivating his fields on his tractor. But the only radio station in the area plays country music and refused to change its programming. So Neset bought a low-power radio transmitter, got written permission from a Colorado station to carry its signal and began transmitting that station via satellite. Neset's station extends only about five miles in each direction, most of which consists of his farm. His station is also listened to by a handful of people in the area. When the local radio station manager learned of Neset's broadcasts, he complained to the FCC's field office in Minneapolis. The FCC sent an agent to Tioga on at least two occasions to monitor the station. On learning that Neset was broadcasting on 88.3 FM without a license, the FCC convinced the U.S. Attorney in North Dakota to file a lawsuit. During a hearing, the FCC admitted that Neset wasn't interfering with any existing station. In fact, no FM stations broadcast in the area. But the agency stuck with its argument that it's illegal to broadcast without a license. So why doesn't Neset simply get a license from the FCC? He can't. The FCC allowed small broadcasters to acquire Class D licenses until '80. That gave them the right to broadcast at 10 watts. But the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, among others, convinced the FCC that 10-watt stations would clutter the lower end of the radio spectrum that might otherwise carry National Public Radio. The result? The FCC stopped issuing Class D licenses, and small stations were squeezed off the air. This regime left pockets of unused parts of the airwaves - too small for full-power stations, but perfect for small ones. But listeners' growing displeasure with homogeneous radio, along with affordable transmission gear, has led to an upswing in microradio stations - and FCC crackdowns. It's estimated that as many as 1,000 ''pirate'' stations are on the air today. The FCC took more than 100 actions against micro- broadcasters in '98 alone. Although people often associate low-power broadcasting with the political left, microradio has received support from free-market economists and libertarians for decades. Economists such as Thomas Hazlett and Nobel Laureate Ronald Coase argue that orderly allocation of the broadcast spectrum would be much better served by recognizing private property rights in the spectrum. Any interference with those rights, they say, should be treated as a tort. The current FCC system of licensing, regulation and control would be unnecessary. Other economists have undermined the FCC's rationale for banning microradio - the supposed ''scarcity'' of broadcast frequencies. Scarcity of valuable goods is a universal fact and can't serve as justification for regulating one activity and not another. But the explosion of new communications technologies in the past 30 years shows the obsolescence of the scarcity doctrine. Creating a system for the limited regulation of microradio could fulfill the FCC's interest in regulating the spectrum without trampling on the First Amendment. The FCC could create a similar system of licensing micro-broadcasters, assigning frequencies and monitoring technical and safety requirements that exist for full-power broadcasters. Better still, instead of licensing, the government could merely set up rules for microradio broadcasters that would bar interference with existing stations. The one thing the FCC may not do, though, is completely ban microradio. Such a prohibition sweeps far beyond what's necessary or justified and is not ''narrowly tailored'' as required under the First Amendment. Until the legal issues are resolved, the FCC should take a ''do no harm'' approach. If the agency can show that an unlicensed station is interfering, then it can take action. But until the FCC permits micro-broadcasting, it should allow farmer Neset and hundreds like him to exercise their free speech rights on the airwaves. Scott G. Bullock is an attorney at the Washington-based Institute for Justice, which represents Roy Neset in his prosecution by the FCC. Copyright (c) 1999 Investors Business Daily, All rights reserved. Investor's Business Daily - Viewpoint (01/05/99) Free The Airwaves01/04/99 20:48 --- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this
Re: [CTRL] CTRL List
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Bill Richer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] CTRL List -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 2:32:46 PM GMT-5:00 - United States of Ame, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hiya Kris, My vote would be for 2 lists: one for discussion and the second one to post articles. A combined lists would mean way too many posts. IMHO. Hilary I concur with Hilary! Bill Please, Add my vote to this. Laura DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying
-Caveat Lector- As I research my recollection for the specificity of information to clarify this point, I think Saddam's claim was the Kuwaitis were engaged in horizontal drilling (as in under the border into a well in Iraq). AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + -- : From: Hilary Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying : Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 3:50 PM : : Some of you may recall (and my memory is fuzzy on this because it was so : long ago) that a year before the Desert Storm (not Fox) Saddam approached : the US government to mediate a dispute he was having with Kuwait. He said : that they were stealing Iraqi oil (and I don't remember the details of how : this was being done. I believe through the pipeline that runs through : Kuwait). Basically, Bush brushed him off and told Saddam to deal with it : himself. Which, of course, he did. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying
-Caveat Lector- Alamaine, I couldn't remember if it were horizontal drilling or tapping into the pipeline. In either case, Saddam did make the effort to go through proper channels. We can only second guess why Bush brushed him off, why he went to the US (perhaps knowing he wouldn't get assistance??? or it may have been a genuine request for help). I can't recall if he approached the UN or not. Hilary -Original Message- From: Alamaine Ratliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying -Caveat Lector- As I research my recollection for the specificity of information to clarify this point, I think Saddam's claim was the Kuwaitis were engaged in horizontal drilling (as in under the border into a well in Iraq). AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + -- : From: Hilary Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying : Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 3:50 PM : : Some of you may recall (and my memory is fuzzy on this because it was so : long ago) that a year before the Desert Storm (not Fox) Saddam approached : the US government to mediate a dispute he was having with Kuwait. He said : that they were stealing Iraqi oil (and I don't remember the details of how : this was being done. I believe through the pipeline that runs through : Kuwait). Basically, Bush brushed him off and told Saddam to deal with it : himself. Which, of course, he did. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A New [Old] Heroin Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.hyperreal.org/drugs/marijuana/medical/nahas From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Gabriel Nahas To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 9 Sep 94 9:12:14 CDT If anybody has any *facts* about Nahas as his reported retractions of findings and his fall from grace with Colombia Univ. I'd like to hear the details. I think Jack Herer's book has some citations to retractions made by Nahas. If it wasn't Jack's book, then it was Chris Conrad's book, "Lifeline to the Future." Neither one has specific references to newspapers or anything. They state that Columbia University held a press conference in 1976 distancing themselves from Nahas' research, and that Nahas made retractions of _some_ of his studies at a press conference in 1983, after much professional ridicule. I wish one of them had thought to include a newspaper reference or a specific date. It may be in the latest edition of Emperor; I've got a 1991 copy. They also talk about Nahas' associations in the UN with Kurt Waldheim and Lyndon Larouche, his control over all UN-sponsered cannibis research for a period in the early seventies, and a professional scandal in 1971 when he published a report of a marijuana fatality in Belgium. Larouche and Nahas both worked at the OSS, which later became the CIA. And, get this, Nahas is trained as an anesthesiologist! This guy's serious bad news, and he has no credibility within the medical community whatsoever. References for studies repudiating Nahas' claims: Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), 4/30/1973, pg.631: highly critical review of book on cannabis by Nahas Disproval of immune-system damage claims: Science, vol.186, 1974, pp.740-741 "Normal Skin Test Responses in Chronic Marihuana Users", M.J. Silverstein P.J. Lessin --- Somebody needs to hook Chris Conrad up to the net. I'm sure he's got this kind of info ready at-hand. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steven C. Anderson MN Grassroots Party Secretary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying
-Caveat Lector- Fro anyone who wants a real slam-bam book AGAINST the war(s) with Iraq, I suggest Desert Slaughter: The Imperialist War Against Iraq Labor Publications, Inc ISBN 0929087-54-2 $18.95 Can be obtained from wsws.org Now, be forewarned there's a LOT of polemically political Socialist vocabulary (it's their book so they can do this) contained in the articles that make up the book. It literally chronicles the days before, during and after DS/DS, through bulletins. There is also a section that tells the history of the region and the events and circumstances leading up to August 1990. If one can read through the political verbiage (one's own choice to agree or disagree), it tends to bring up the OTHER side of the push toward war. Some answers (right or wrong, politically or otherwise) can be found therein. Also be mindful that as I recommend the book, I endorse it ONLY from the standpoint that it does look at the issue from another point of view, a view that I do not necessarily, specifically, personally endorse. AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + -- : From: Hilary Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying : Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 5:01 PM : : -Caveat Lector- : : Alamaine, : : I couldn't remember if it were horizontal drilling or tapping into the : pipeline. In either case, Saddam did make the effort to go through proper : channels. We can only second guess why Bush brushed him off, why he went to : the US (perhaps knowing he wouldn't get assistance??? or it may have been a : genuine request for help). I can't recall if he approached the UN or not. : : Hilary : : : -Original Message- : From: Alamaine Ratliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 3:55 PM : Subject: Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying : : : -Caveat Lector- : : As I research my recollection for the specificity of information to clarify : this point, : : I think Saddam's claim was the Kuwaitis were engaged in horizontal drilling : (as in under the border into a well in Iraq). : : : : AER : : The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking : new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust : + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + : -- : : From: Hilary Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Subject: Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying : : Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 3:50 PM : : : : Some of you may recall (and my memory is fuzzy on this because it was so : : long ago) that a year before the Desert Storm (not Fox) Saddam approached : : the US government to mediate a dispute he was having with Kuwait. He : said : : that they were stealing Iraqi oil (and I don't remember the details of : how : : this was being done. I believe through the pipeline that runs through : : Kuwait). Basically, Bush brushed him off and told Saddam to deal with it : : himself. Which, of course, he did. : : DECLARATION DISCLAIMER : == : CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic : screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters : and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright : frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects : spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL : gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; : be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and : nazi's need not apply. : : Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. : : Archives Available at: : http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html : : http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ : : To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: : SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: : SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and
Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying
-Caveat Lector- Hilary Thomas wrote: -Caveat Lector- Alamaine, I couldn't remember if it were horizontal drilling or tapping into the pipeline. In either case, Saddam did make the effort to go through proper channels. We can only second guess why Bush brushed him off, why he went to the US (perhaps knowing he wouldn't get assistance??? or it may have been a genuine request for help). I can't recall if he approached the UN or not. How about the idea that it was nothing more than the same "trick" that was used to encourage Hitler to take more territory, or that South Korea was not "in our sphere of influence," only to use their aggression as an excuse to get into another war??? Why do such a thing, you ask? Well, could be that the NWO folks want to establish "credible" precidents for sending NATO (the only official military force for the NWO at this time) forces to "teach someone a lesson." As I recall, our Secretary of State met with Saddam when he asked for help in a squabble with Kuwait (which was an artificial state previously carved out of Iraq), and told Saddam, "You go ahead and take care of it... We won't interfere." Seems Saddam wasn't politically astute enough to know that when the USA politicians tell you something, you should assume the opposite is true. Thus, he took action, and there was a "ready made excuse" to set a precedent... Remember Bush saying the war was to "Strengthen the New World Order" or that "out of this, a New World Order will emerge"??? Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- You are correct. It is your list. But, (oh shit here, it comes) what I see is censorship because you don't like his method of supporting his position. I enjoy the list and have learned a lot from both positions of the debate. My appraisal of the intercourse was (in Hawk's defense) honest debate using facts and historical documents; countered by name calling and personal assault. Hawk's retorts to the effacement efforts were, in my opinion, superior. The other debators resorted to name calling and debasement after the second post and it degenerated from there. I think you should be able to sustain your position with substance, not censorship. I further believe, in any debate you should be able to support your position for more than two post without resorting to name calling. Thank you for your work in maintaining this list. I learn a lot from the folks who post here. Sincerely, Jim Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- I will agree, that there is much 'blame' to go around during the recent 'STUPID' bs flamings. And I really don't want to be a recess monitor. Sometimes I figure, if ya dish it out better expect to deal with it. Mostly it is a bore. Hawk was not put on 'no post' for 'baiting or flaming, but my own personal distaste for bible-thumping slavery apologists. Historical outlooks/discussions buttressed by bibical 'infalliabilty and interpretation" are futile and a waste of time. MHO And personally, somekind of hang-up, I guess, but I just don't 'cotton' to racism, bigotry and slavery, 'authorized' by the Bible, Chamber of Commerce or whatever. Excuse me. And besides what/whose sides? There is the cryptocracy. Their helpers and us, hoi polloi. Om K If people wish to pursue a more broader range discusion list, relating to conspiracy theory, that can be accomplished. But the utility of CTRL goes down when there is a high posting level and a lot of 'noise'. In a message dated 1/8/99 8:19:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I second the motion. In my opinion, "baiting" took place on both sides and if one goes, they should all go. Jim norman - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Larry Flynt Outed?
-Caveat Lector- www.cbn.org/news/stories/990107b.asp Flynt's Daughter Claims New Evidence That Ties Father to White House January 7, 1999 [Transcript from The 700 Club TV show] Pat Robertson: Yesterday we mentioned there might be some revelations at the National Press Club today and we have a quick update on that. Here is Lee at our news desk. Lee Webb: That's right, Pat. As we mentioned earlier, Larry Flynt is expected to drop yet another bombshell on his crusade to expose the alleged sex scandals of congressional Republicans. Now in a surprising counter, the daughter of the Hustler magazine founder is threatening to expose her father. Today in Washington, Flynt's daughter, Tonya Flynt-Vega, is holding a news conference to counter her father's allegations. We go now by phone to the National Press Club in Washington where Melissa Charbonneau is standing by. Melissa, what's happening? Melissa Charbonneau at the National Press Club, D.C.: Well, we are here at the National Press Club and Tonya Vega said she is here to give revelations about her father's motivation and what kind of man her father is. She says she has evidence to reveal the relationship between her father Larry Flynt and the White House and she says she believes her father Larry Flynt is being used to launder information from illegally obtained FBI files on high-ranking Republican politicians. She believes James Carville, her father's friend, is behind all this. However, she is not willing at this point to present any hard evidence of that. She said she might present that after her father's press conference next week. Lee Webb: Why did she say she was going to wait to do that, to bring that evidence, Melissa? Melissa Charbonneau: She said she did not get any information. She said she had not provided this information to any law enforcement authorities, but she will use it to protect herself. Lee Webb: Are there other folks at the news conference, mainstream media types who are there? Melissa Charbonneau: Yes there are a number of video cameras here and the press conference is still going on. Ms. Vega also introduced what she called a surprise witness, Ms. Sharon Frank Dunbar, who had heard her on a broadcast recently. She said that she was a dancer in Larry Flynt's Hustler club and apparently accuses him of involvement in sexually assaulting her. Lee Webb: Melissa, keep us posted. If you find out anything else, please let us know. We will stay on top of this story. Pat, again we need to point out she is making this allegation that there is a connection between James Carville and her father but no evidence at this point. Pat Robertson: If anything she is saying can be supported, the misuse of FBI files to expose dirt on congressional republicans -- that in itself is a misuse of office. That is an impeachable offense and it is very serious if proved. But she has brought no evidence apparently that would validate her assertions. If they can be validated, that is extremely significant since the White House took 900 FBI files, confidential dossiers on all sorts of people who were considered enemies of the President. Do you have something else, Lee? Lee Webb: We need to keep in mind that just a few months ago James Carville said "this is war." And no one really knew at that time what he meant. It remains to be seen if that was really what he did mean by that. Pat Robertson: There is a nexus between FBI, James Carville, Larry Flynt, and all these exposures. This is very, very serious and goes to the very heart of our constitutional republic. So, it's one of those things someone should treat with some care but still it is unproven. RELATED STORY DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hawk et al
-Caveat Lector- Hawk had nothing coming to him for defending his position in the debate. As far as I could see, he received nothing he did not respond to honestly and effectively. He also won the pissing contest. Jim Norman Source - Richard wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hawk really had what was coming to him. I also agree that William 'egged' him on but he does not deserve throwing off, he was simply defending his views. RoadsEnd wrote: -Caveat Lector- Howdy all, I have just gone through a lengthy post from Hawk, using the bible to justify slavery and comments about how it really wasn't that bad and if ya look at the farm logs, some places only whipped their slaves "0.7 whippings per year". Now I was raised in the south, Virginia and Tennessee, and realize that the 'official line and history' of the Civil War is no more accurate than todays news. But I got no time for a bible thumping slavery apologist. He can start his own list, about that crap(MHO), it is an easy thing to do these days. He could even start a anti-CTRL, with some nazis, for all I care. Hawk can recieve CTRL posts, he cannot post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to CTRL right now. And with all the chatter I am really too busy for anymore 'noise'. Please all, let us be civil and think a bit before ya post. Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA112 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 04:45:00 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:55 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21199784 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:54 -0500 LISTSERV.AOL.COM; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:54 -0500 Þ listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06667 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DVYMa00808 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:38 +1900 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:38 EST Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Hawk et al To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 4:30:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You own the list. You can do what ever you want with it. However, your banning Hawk from the list without even a warning or and ending to that particular thread is objectionable to me. Will I be next? Now I will have to be looking at everything I write and wonder if I will be cut off for writing it. I don't know if your cutting him from the list is because of what you stated or if it was because you did not wish to deal with an arguement you had firmly planted in your mind and did not wish to have shaken. I personally do not recall a passage in the Bible which condemns slavery even though my own code of ethics precludes it. Perhaps a deeper understanding of the moral code of 3,000 years ago and its relationship to that of today would be useful. I don't know. But apparently we aren't going to be discussing it here. best wishes, Howard Davis I beg to differ with you here. Kris did indeed warn him and all others about the rhetoric, and has on several occasions made his wishes known as far as what is acceptable and what is not on this list. The use of the bible and other religious material for the furtherance of ones own particular viewpoints is off topic here and smacks of proselytizing and if you will look at the disclaimer in every post this is clearly forbidden. Personally I would have done the same, but maybe would have added a few other people to the list as well. Kris does an admirable job here having to deal with so much garbage makes the job that much harder. This list is about conspiracy theory, get it? If not, bye, bye. Thanks Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 12:51:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Political and religious 'stances' discussions are subjects based upon 'personal' 'beliefs' and continual battlement on these subjects deter our study of 'social history and the forces behind the scenes. They are no win arguments that just go on and on, and that is why they should not be discussed here because they take away space that could be better served discussing other things that can be useful to everyone on the list. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- I believe the problem is a misunderstanding of his beliefs. I don't believe he supports slavery, he simple reported the truth about what happened in history. Slavery still exist today and is not limited to black people. His debate is not about his views, but about the history. I think he is factual in his references. I was raised in the old South in Claxton, Georgia 1941-1949 and I can tell you from personal experience that the old South I experienced respected everyone. There was no racial tension as today. Black people wanted to be with their kind and whites wanted the same. We worked together Black and White to plant and clear the crops since most of the able bodied men were still at war. Everyone helped everyone else. If uncle Joe or uncle John wanted to leave a box of food and supplies on a Black's front porch, it had to be done early in the morning before they woke up, cause if they saw him, they would chase him down and make him take it back. No body wanted charity. My first real introduction to charity was when my Uncle John with bargain for 30 minutes with a Black fellow who lived down the road to swap his carved stick figure for a quart of Uncle John's corn liquor. He threw the carving in the wood box. When I questioned him as to why he threw it away after trading for it he replied, " You don't think that man would take charity, do You?" Things have changed a lot since then. The "hit the delete button" remark was un-necessary; hitting the delete button only perpetuates ignorance. It is not an escape. Sincerely and respectfully, Jim Norman William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- What constitutes "baiting"? While I've subscribed to the list, I've read posts attacking Jews, minorities, and "liberals." Plus, all of the vile and scurrilous posts about the President and Hillary. In addition, I've read posts that have targeted the poor, welfare recipients, and Native Americans. Not to mention the many posts attacking feminists or women in general. Plus, there are the many strange posts defending slavery. I have responded to these many attacks in as courteous a manner as possible. Barb Witt, who does not share my views on many issues, has pointed out that I have tried to be fair and polite to those who I disagree with. I don't think I've "baited" anyone. If anything, I have been "baited" by the neofascists on the list from the outset with snide remarks and ad hominem attacks. I locked horns with Hawk...only to now be accused of being Hawk in disguise!!! Ha ha...go figure! Yes, there is a similarity between the two of us... And I do respect the maneven though I disagree with everything he believes. I've spent my entire life surrounded by people who think like he doesand I think I was making progress towards showing him that liberals and people of color also love their country...also love their kids...also believe in decency, integrity, respect for property...the same things he values I'm not a white middle class American. I didn't go to an elitist school... My father was an alcoholic, parents divorced when I was twelve... I know what it's like to live on the streets and be hungry...how many of you can say the same? Have you ever worked at a factory? washed dishes to eat? worked in construction? ...struggled to survive? Old Hawk and I come from the same low strata. We are the people who follow behind your parade with the shovels. I understand his sense of betrayal and rage. He's my brother.. although I disagree with his views. So...if you dislike my posts...just hit the delete button. On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Jim Norman wrote: -Caveat Lector- May I second the motion. In my opinion, "baiting" took place on both sides and if one goes, they should all go. Jim norman William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hawk has informed me that he was removed from the list. I would like the listowner to reconsider his or her decision. All of us have been guilty of intemperate remarks from time to time on this list. (myself included.) I'm on the opposite end of the political spectrum from the dread bird, and I didn't find his posts that offensive. I've read some blatantly anti-semitic stuff that was far more offensive, in my opinion, that his posts.. Best wishes, William On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- I think you missed my earlier post. I'm not against the idea of states leaving the Union...per se. In the case of the Civil War, as in most wars, the issues were confused and complex. But I think on the issue of slavery there was no compromise. Mr. Davis, what appears to be "logical" or "illogical" depends upon your point of view, the criteria one uses to frame a particular discussion. For example, if you were a white male southerner at the time who owned
[CTRL] Philosophers Discuss Latest News
-Caveat Lector- PHILOSOPHERS DISCUSS LATEST NEWS (CNNS, 01/09/99) -- With the continued jumble of news, CNNS once more called upon its trio of unemployed philosophers -- Glaucon, Polemarchus, and Thrasymachus -- to provide insight and analysis: CNNS: Says here that this last Wednesday a bomb exploded at a high school in Kansas City, and that 11 students were injured. ("Bomb Explodes At High School, Injures 11 Students," AP 1/6/99.) And yesterday, some youngsters in Fort Worth stole some roosters and then used pliers to rip off their beaks. ("Boys Accused of Mutilating Roosters," AP, 1/8/99.) The suicide rate among teens has gone sky-high. What does it all mean? What say you, Glaucon? GLAUCON: Youth hath its exuberances. It is proper for youth to be playful, with winter far away. But the spirit of rejoicing knows no bounds, and the sky will not limit nor gravity oppress the folly of the eaglet's premature flight. POLEMARCHUS: But Glaucon, how then is it when winter invades the season of youth? For the seasons are not constant, and the honeybee oft freezes on the vine. THRASYMACHUS: Then too, Friend Glaucon, the seasons of youth oft are born in wintertime, so that some youth never know their true season and are birthed in winter's cold. GLAUCON: Aye. Many are the seasons, and many are the youth born to them. [Pause] CNNS: Ummm All right. There's another story. "Ru Mills" has reported that one of her sources foresees trouble for the Federal Reserve, due to competition from the "Euro," a new European currency. Then the Japanese finance minister went to Europe last week; maybe the Japanese are worried about the Yen, their currency. They must be worried about the Yen: they're in an economic depression but they've raised their interest rates!! Capital is being courted, worldwide, by 4 entities: the Euro, the Yen, the stock markets, and the Federal Reserve. The Dollar/Yen ratio has gone down, big-time, and it looks more and more like Ru Mills's source could be correct when he said, "Kiss the Federal Reserve good-bye." Is the dollar going to crash? POLEMARCHUS: I've heard tell of this Ru Mills. She dwells far off, in the Western Lands. Friend Brian, consider this: when you get into the bath-tub, do you not notice that the water rises? CNNS: Yes, that's so. THRASYMACHUS: And like the water in the bath-tub, is not the stock market also rising? CNNS: That also is true. GLAUCON: Does this not mean that, for the stock market to rise, something else must be displaced? For where the scale rises, it rises not without cause. And since matter is constant, it increases not. CNNS: There's something in what you say. THRASYMACHUS: Therefore, since the amount of matter in the universe is constant, and since an increase in material in one place always means a decrease of material someplace else, then Ru Mills speaks true: the dollar is in trouble. GLAUCON: Friend Brian, look not for a stock market crash -- not just yet -- since all eyes look for that. Look instead to where no eyes look; look to what force is pushing downward and thereby causing the water to rise. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + INFORMATION PLEASE: Conspiracy Nation News Service (CNNS) is a co-operative effort. Without the hints/rumors provided by many excellent sources, we could not exist. Have YOU heard anything lately that might be important? Pass it along to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anonymity is guaranteed. If you prefer, send your news tip or clues on same to: Brian Redman, 310 S. Prairie (#202), Champaign, IL 61820. Or you can go to a pay phone and call in your news tip: 217-356-4418. THEY will never tell us the whole truth about what is going on. But we, the People, working together, can find out what is REALLY happening. Brian Redman | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html Editor-in-Chief| ---Phone: 217-356-4418 Conspiracy Nation | "The perfect slave thinks he's free." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html
Re: [CTRL] CTRL List
-Caveat Lector- what a great idea! You have my vote for an articles-only list - I currently delete a lot of discussion postings, as it's only the various articles that I'm interested in reading. Regards Alan Howard -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hilary Thomas Sent: Sunday, January 10, 1999 6:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] CTRL List -Caveat Lector- Hiya Kris, My vote would be for 2 lists: one for discussion and the second one to post articles. A combined lists would mean way too many posts. IMHO. Hilary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Looking Back on Berlin 1993/1996 (AIDs)
Intresting Article - Will follow this up later - need to get to the store. Laura AKA The Pied Piper http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/aids/john-l/berlin.html Looking Back on Berlin 1993/1996 by John Lauritsen [Note: This article was published in the Fall/Winter 1993 issue of the HEAL Newsletter (New York). I hereby give permission to print out this document and to photocopy it. However, it may not be published commercially without my permission. -- John Lauritsen, Box 1902, Provincetown, MA 02657-0245. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] In June 1993 I attended the International AIDS conference in Berlin as a working journalist. There I observed what happened and did not happen. These had little resemblance to what was reported in the media, where almost everything newsworthy was blacked out. At some point -- whether in the self-censoring heads of reporters or in home-office editorial rooms -- widely observed events became non-events, if they were displeasing to the AIDS Establishment. For the record, I'll describe what happened, and then pose the question: what do AIDS conferences really accomplish? Despite over 6,000 presentations, nothing useful came out of the IXth International Conference on AIDS (Berlin: 7-11 June 1993). The prevailing mood was one of despair and confusion. Initially hopes had been aroused by an experimental vaccine developed by Jonas Salk, to be given to those already infected with HIV. These hopes were shattered when Salk gave an unimpressive presentation, which showed that the vaccine did nothing. Some drama was provided by Wellcome Pharmaceutical's frenetic efforts at damage control, in the aftermath of the Concorde Trial. The top researchers of the Anglo-French Concorde study adamantly stood by their findings, that AZT had no benefits for asymptomatic, HIV-positive individuals: AZT neither delayed the onset of AIDS nor prolonged their lives. Wellcome sponsored satellite symposia, gave free lunches, and published advertisements designed to disparage and downplay the Concorde findings, but to no avail. The media were unsympathetic, and share prices continued to fall. However, in one respect Berlin was a breakthrough. For the first time at an international AIDS conference, alternative voices could be heard, attacking the HIV-hypothesis, antiviral therapy, and other AIDS dogmas. The AIDS Establishment, which had previously relied upon censorship, was forced to respond with a series of slander campaigns and even violence directed against AIDS-critics. AIDS-dissidents came to Berlin from North and South America, Africa, India, and most European countries. Many of us had not met, or even known about each other before. During the entire week of the conference, the English language version of Fritz Poppenberg's documentary film, The AIDS Rebels, was shown in a Berlin cinema. AIDS-critics stood outside the conference center (ICC), with signs and leaflets denouncing the AIDS lie and the rat poison, AZT, and calling for a boycott of Wellcome. On Berlin's Open Channel Television, a total of 9 hours of AIDS-critical programs were shown, produced by Peter Schmidt and Kawi Schneider. For one day, before the conference organizers retaliated, AIDS-critics had a table inside the ICC itself (about which more below). And, not least important, some mainstream journalists began to criticize AIDS-orthodoxies, and to demand a hearing for alternative views. At the first press conference (6 June), several journalists asked conference organizer Karl-Otto Habermehl why no alternative viewpoints were represented. Why had not an invitation been issued to the foremost AIDS-critic, Peter Duesberg? Habermehl said that Duesberg had not submitted an abstract, and that alternative voices had not been excluded: they were represented at the conference by Act Up. Journalists were not satisfied with his answer, and pointed out that the conference had issued special invitations to members of Act Up and Project Inform, as well as to the discredited American AIDS expert, Robert Gallo. Habermehl angrily refused to respond, and the moderator said that no more such questions could be allowed. Later on the 6th, Act Up held a press conference, attended by only a handful of media people. Most of the 300 Act Up members had the 950 DM entrance fee waived by the organizers. Many of them had travelled to Berlin, staying in luxurious hotels with swimming pools, with all expenses paid by Wellcome Pharmaceuticals, the manufacturer of AZT. In response to a journalist's question, the Act Up representative from London admitted that his group had taken 50,000 pounds from Wellcome,
Re: [CTRL] Coo-Cou-Coup
-Caveat Lector- Correct me if I'm wrong but Gore would only be precluded from running for reelection in 2004, due to constitutional amendment passed after F.D.R.'s 4 terms. michael YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote: A. America is NOT a democracy. Correct. But you'll get 'dumb sheep' looks from the majority of U.S. citizens to whom you point that out... Since AlGore will be sworn-in if Mr. Clinton is removed or resigns this emotive is nonsense. Yes...which has lead me to wonder if perhaps there's 'something' which the Dems are afraid may come out in the impeachment trial which may lead to Gore's impeachment... The only other thing they may have feared would have been if Clinton was removed from office, or resigned, before January 20th, in which case Gore would be precluded from running for the presidency in 2000...but it seems now the process will go beyond the 19th, in which case if Gore ends up in 'the cat birds seat', he can still run for the office in 2000... A move which would -- on the surface -- seem to put the Dems in an advantageous position...so one has to wonder if their bleatings regarding 'overthrowing the past 2 elections' is so much smoke and mirrors, or if it reflects fear of something deeper being exposed that may just possibly put the 2000 elections in the laps of the Republicans... It may explain why they don't want witnesses at the impeachment trial... D. Since when did we decide whether or not an American is guilty/innocent AND establish punishment/non-punishment by poll? Exactly. Heck...let's just set up an online kangaroo court, and let 'justice' be meted out via all and sundry voting on the Internet... And before any of you who think such would be a good idea jump up and say so -- just remember that public opinion sways from one end of the spectrum to the other ever generation or so...so the public opinion you may agree with today will be diametrically opposed to you in another 20 years or so... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
Re: [CTRL] Truth About Evil
-Caveat Lector- First paragraph sounds exactly like a recent op-ed by Michael Kelly in the N.Y.Post. Believe he is a former editor of the New Republic michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 12:11:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And this is a tremendously painful prospect, because it is a tremendously personal one. There were never many Nazis or Nazi sympathizers in America and very few political, cultural and intellectual figures of note among them. But such is not the case with communism Oh yes there were. Many, many of our elite business community, including the grandfather of the man who may run for president, George Bush Jr. And there were lots less well known folks as well. Nazi sympathisers were fairly thick on the ground (so to speak). At least one radio personality of those old days, a guy named Rudy who yodeled and whose number one fan was yours truly. He suddenly was no longer on the radio, and it was years before a visiting Air Force colonel with whom I was discussing espionage mentioned him. It seems he was sending coded messages (by yodeling) with information about the convoys leaving the United States for England. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Drudge Report
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-01-05 12:12:29 EST, you write: Since you admire Mr. Harding, would you please share with us some of the great man's accomplishments? What exactly did Warren do? How did President Harding revolutionize and transform American society? In 1999, do we speak of "the Harding vision" or "the Harding effect"? (Did he pull the nation out of a depression? Did he fight for the protection of the civil liberties of all Americans? Did he build a national highway system? Was he witty? wise? profound? Perhaps, we need a book devoted to him: "The Wit and Wisdom of President Warren Harding." But I don't mean to be unkind. He must have done something memorable. Or perhaps his special genius, like so many Republicans, was in the NOT-DOING. Regards, Wm Sounds a lot like Clinton except Clinton doesn't know how to definr the word "IS" and Clinton is a traitor. Seems to me I have asked these same questions about your King... Clinton... what has this low-life done that is so spectacular??? Still waiting for an answer from the Clintonites. But, I don't mean to be unkind... just truthful, I'm not like youe lying hero Clinton. No Regards, To those who can't "walk the walk" Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hawk et al
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 7:31:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hawk had nothing coming to him for defending his position in the debate. As far as I could see, he received nothing he did not respond to honestly and effectively. He also won the pissing contest. Jim Norman Where's the scoresheet? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: They are trying to stop free speech on the NET
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 10:58:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If this is true... what is the number on this bill...House or Senate. Our Representatives are so stupid they cannot keep up with bills unless you have a number... even though they have their minions to keep up with the mail. I am hearing much debate on whether or not this is true at all. If it turns out to be valid, we'll just have to call it the LAST straw. smile DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hawk et al
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 6:11:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hawk really had what was coming to him. I also agree that William 'egged' him on If any person disagrees with a defender of slavery, does that disagreement constitute egging on? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Truth About Evil
-Caveat Lector- From the Wasington Post, Wednesday, January 6, 1999; Page A25 The Truth About Evil By Michael Kelly Some months ago, I wrote a column in which I expressed revulsion at an affectionate feature in the New York Times about a small band of elderly communists and socialists who do good works among the downtrodden of Los Angeles and, by the way, still revere Marx and Lenin. For this, Sam Tanenhaus, author of an estimable and honest biography of Whittaker Chambers, takes me politely to task in the current New York Review of Books. My finger-pointing, says Tanenhaus, is emblematic of a regrettable "revival of the familiar cold war Manichaeanism, whereby the entire burden of world communism is laid crushingly upon every [Communist Party] member or sympathizer." This is a debate worth having, for it is central to the intellectual and cultural history of this century. It has been, you have to admit, a pretty Manichaean sort of century: good and evil in the form of democracy and totalitarianism duking it out for global domination; concentration camps; gulags; a couple of hundred million dead-that sort of thing. The good was not absolute (we had Joe McCarthy and Roy Cohn on our side, alas), but the evil was pretty close to pure. American liberalism came to terms with one face of the century's evil-that of the Nazis and their allies-immediately, honorably and unequivocally. The fight to destroy the Nazi version of fascism was waged in such unabashedly Manichaean terms that we called it The Good War (we were not being ironic either; only Parisians and a few guys at Oxford knew about irony back then). And organized American political liberalism-that is, the Democratic Party and the labor movement-also came to terms soon enough with the communist version, and firmly rejected it. But the treatment of communist fascism by liberalism's intellectual and cultural establishments-as distinct from its mainstream political bodies-has been profoundly different. The intellectual and cultural elites have never come to terms with communism as an evil on a par with Nazism and, more important, with their role in supporting, or at least tolerating, that evil. This failure, which is one of immense moral dimensions as well as rational, persists. (Witness the 24-part CNN television series on the Cold War, a history massively distorted by the light of moral equivalency that shines in Ted Turner's dim, dim bulb of a mind.) The failure persists and adapts because it is too large to come to terms with. Coming to terms means not merely admitting the fundamental evil of the communist system and its root philosophy (as opposed to admitting the evil of one or another communist tyrant) but also admitting our own sympathetic complicity. It means not merely reassessing the century's political figures but its intellectual and cultural figures too. It means reassessing us. And this is a tremendously painful prospect, because it is a tremendously personal one. There were never many Nazis or Nazi sympathizers in America and very few political, cultural and intellectual figures of note among them. But such is not the case with communism. Twentieth-century political, cultural and intellectual history is thickly peopled with respected and even revered figures-labor leaders, progressive reformers, novelists, playwrights, artists, luminaries of the news and entertainment businesses-who were deeply supportive of a system and philosophy that we now know beyond doubt was every bit as monstrous as the Nazi regime, was morally indistinguishable from the Nazi regime. And on the more intimate level, when we talk about American communists or communist sympathizers, we are talking about family. So when we contemplate admitting the full profundity of communism's evil, we are contemplating a radical reevaluation of everyone who traveled some distance with that evil. We are talking about reevaluating Upton Sinclair and John Steinbeck and Pablo Picasso and Ernest Hemingway and Charlie Chaplin. And we are talking also about reevaluating Uncle Harry and Aunt Edith and Grandpa and maybe even dear old Dad. What further complicates matters is we know that Uncle Harry and Aunt Edith are good people. They sided with the communists because they sincerely believed in the promise of communism to address the wrongs of our own society-its gross class inequities, its racial oppression, the rough cruelties of capitalism. But the fellow travelers were wrong, and in their wrong, they helped to perpetuate a system that caused immense human suffering. To say this is not to gainsay that most Communist Party members and sympathizers were motivated by the desire to make a better world, nor is it to lay the whole burden of communism's crimes on their shoulders. It is simply to say this: At some point it becomes a seriously immoral act to refuse to acknowledge the truth. At some point, you have to ask whether it is morally acceptable to regard those who yet refuse to come
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- I will agree, that there is much 'blame' to go around during the recent 'STUPID' bs flamings. And I really don't want to be a recess monitor. Sometimes I figure, if ya dish it out better expect to deal with it. Mostly it is a bore. Hawk was not put on 'no post' for 'baiting or flaming, but my own personal distaste for bible-thumping slavery apologists. Historical outlooks/discussions buttressed by bibical 'infalliabilty and interpretation" are futile and a waste of time. MHO And personally, somekind of hang-up, I guess, but I just don't 'cotton' to racism, bigotry and slavery, 'authorized' by the Bible, Chamber of Commerce or whatever. Excuse me. And besides what/whose sides? There is the cryptocracy. Their helpers and us, hoi polloi. Om K If people wish to pursue a more broader range discusion list, relating to conspiracy theory, that can be accomplished. But the utility of CTRL goes down when there is a high posting level and a lot of 'noise'. In a message dated 1/8/99 8:19:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I second the motion. In my opinion, "baiting" took place on both sides and if one goes, they should all go. Jim norman - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] External Forces
-Caveat Lector- McAfee from Network Associates. It has a built-in webscan feature that checks e-mail attachments. I've used Dr Solomon (which I believe has been Hoover-ed by McAfee) and Thunderbyte. I graduated to McAfee when it became the flagship virus checker for the folks that make NutsBolts (another nice little group of programs). AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. -- : From: Harry Hendrickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [CTRL] External Forces : Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 3:52 PM : : -Caveat Lector- : : Hello Richard, : Suggest you purchase top of the line anti-virus program now before the : higher functions of your system come crashing down as well. I have a : moderately well designed system but I will be installing the best : anti-virus system I can afford. Too much at stake to lose my hard drive at : this juncture ! Ask some of the "computer kids" out here what they would : suggest. I may listen in myself. Good luckharry : : -- : From: Source - Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [CTRL] External Forces : Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 9:27 AM : : -Caveat Lector- : : I was hoping someone was going to bring this up. I have had MAJOR : technical errors when passing and recieving information, particularly : regarding Mind Control or Government conspiracies. I also accessed a CIA : affiliated site and was infected with a serious virus. : : Can anyone deny or confirm if this is intentional and how it happens : : MARK wrote: : -Caveat Lector- : : Today I have emailed a friend of mine details on Mind Control and Remote : Viewing. Since I did this my Laptop has crashed 3 times, and my e-mail : is working only sporadically. : : Has anyone else had any similar experiences after posting Conspiracy : Theory related items, or is a just a technical glitch/coincidence?? : : MARK : : DECLARATION DISCLAIMER : == : CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting : propagandic : screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid : matters : and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and : outright : frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor : effects : spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, : CTRL : gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to : readers; : be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial : and : nazi's need not apply. : : Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. : : Archives Available at: : http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html : : http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ : : To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: : SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: : SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Om : : RFC822 header : --- : : Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by : zag.workstation.org.uk :(Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA121 :for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:58:58 : + : Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT : v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 9:11:01 : -0500 : Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP : release :1.8d) with spool id 21132208 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 : Jan :1999 09:11:01 -0500 : Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by :listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13191 for :[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:11:00 -0500 (EST) : Received: (qmail 17470 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1999 14:10:42 - : Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by cask.force9.net : with SMTP; :8 Jan 1999 14:10:42 - : Received: (qmail 16644 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1999 14:05:19 - : Received: from unknown (HELO SERVERA.ZIPPACK.CO.UK) (195.166.136.140) by :relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 14:05:19 - : Received: by SERVERA with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74)
[CTRL] DeTocqueville
-Caveat Lector- From the Un of Virginia, a basic text on American history by a man who visited a republic to study its democratic form of government. Note that the first part is "setting" followed by the author's preface to his work. The remainder of the text can be found by following the links from http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/DETOC/home.html ~ From http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/DETOC/TOUR/beforleav.html "I have long had the greatest desire to visit North America: I shall go see there what a great republic is like; my only fear is lest, during that time, they establish one in France." Tocqueville, letter to a friend, August (Pierson 31) Picture It was October 31, 1830 that Alexis de Tocqueville, and Gustave de Beaumont submitted a mission request to the French government to travel to America and study the new prison reforms (Pierson 30). To have their proposal accepted proved to be somewhat difficult. It was not until February 6, 1831 that the pair were even granted leave. Although they tried, there really was little hope of convincing the government to fund their trip. The young gentlemen's families paid for the journey (Pierson 35). Tocqueville and Beaumont made extensive preparations for their trip. A large part of their effort went to collecting letters of introduction which would ensure that they would be received by the finest and most important people in America. They got copies of Cooper's and Volney's descriptions of the United States. Other books they took along included a prayer book, and a two volume daily devotional. They needed to outfit themselves with clothing for 18 months of travel. Tocqueville's purchases were as follows: Leather trunk (40 fr.) with engraved nameplate (3 fr.) a chapeau rond (25 fr.) a silk hat recovered (5fr.) two pair bottines -- half-boots (25 fr. each) one pair pied en tirant (17 fr.) a pair de fort last -- laced shoes? (12 fr.) a pair resoled (10 fr.) (Pierson 38-9) His other furnishings included his clothing, a gun, and writing supplies. Everything had to be packed into the one trunk. Beaumont had similar possessions with the addition of two sketchbooks, a watercolor set, brushes, pen, ink, and his flute (Pierson 39). From http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/DETOC/preface.htm Democracy in America Author's Introduction AMONG the novel objects that attracted my attention during my stay in the United States, nothing struck me more forcibly than the general equality of condition among the people. I readily discovered the prodigious influence that this primary fact exercises on the whole course of society; it gives a peculiar direction to public opinion and a peculiar tenor to the laws; it imparts new maxims to the governing authorities and peculiar habits to the governed. I soon perceived that the influence of this fact extends far beyond the political character and the laws of the country, and that it has no less effect on civil society than on the government; it creates opinions, gives birth to new sentiments, founds novel customs, and modifies whatever it does not produce. The more I advanced in the study of American society, the more I perceived that this equality of condition is the fundamental fact from which all others seem to be derived and the central point at which all my observations constantly terminated. I then turned my thoughts to our own hemisphere, and thought that I discerned there something analogous to the spectacle which the New World presented to me. I observed that equality of condition, though it has not there reached the extreme limit which it seems to have attained in the United States, is constantly approaching it; and that the democracy which governs the American communities appears to be rapidly rising into power in Europe. Hence I conceived the idea of the book that is now before the reader. It is evident to all alike that a great democratic revolution is going on among us, but all do not look at it in the same light. To some it appears to be novel but accidental, and, as such, they hope it may still be checked; to others it seems irresistible, because it is the most uniform, the most ancient, and the most permanent tendency that is to be found in history. I look back for a moment on the situation of France seven hundred years ago, when the territory was divided among a small number of families, who were the owners of the soil and the rulers of the inhabitants; the right of governing descended with the family inheritance from generation to generation; force was the only means by which man could act on man; and landed property was the sole source of power. Soon, however, the political power of the clergy was founded and began to increase: the clergy opened their ranks to all classes, to the poor and the rich, the commoner and the noble; through the church, equality penetrated into the government, and he who as a
[CTRL] Coup de Satire, then Coup de Pat
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.thepornographyofpower.com/tom30.html The Pornography Picture of Power "I'm Wide Awake. I'm Wide Awake. I'm Not Sleeping." -"BAD", U2 Tom J. Wright A Semi-Weekly Column of Political Commentary December 15-December 31, 1998 Clinton Impeached: Republican Coup D'Etat Nearly Complete AND Where Did These Lunatics Come From? "Make no mistake, my colleagues, not all coups are accompanied by the sound of marching boots and rolling tanks. Some, like today, are wrapped in a constitutional veneer, softened by pious assertions of solemn obligation and duty, but the result is the same: defiance of the public will and rejection of the regular political process." ---Representative Nita Lowey, Democrat from New York, 1998 Not since the CIA's coup d'etat of November 22, 1963, when the men in that organization murdered United States President John F. Kennedy, have we seen anything like what just happened in Washington. The only difference is that the coup of 1963 was bloody. This one, in December of 1998, is not (so far). Now granted, we do not yet know if this Republican-led coup will ultimately remove the President from office entirely as the coup of 1963 did, or merely leave him seriously wounded politically. And this coup is designed to kill the President's political life not his actual life (although there are of course plenty of anti-Clinton zealots and fanatical Republicans out there who would gladly kill the man himself if they could). Nonetheless, we are dealing with an equally dangerous band of zealots whose sole thought when they awake in the morning is "I hate Clinton. I hate Clinton. I hate Clinton. I hate..." and whose last words at night before bed continue the mantra: "I hate Clinton. I hate Clinton. I hate..." And, as you can imagine, it is awfully hard to get anything done when your mind does nothing but repeat those three words all day. That explains of course, why the Republican Congress has no major accomplishments in the last six years, except for attacks on Bill Clinton. It is an obsession on the part of the Republican party bordering on dementia. And it is what makes the Trent Lotts and Dick Armeys and Henry Hydes and Tom DeLays and Ken Starrs of Washington politics so dangerous. Dangerous to democracy and dangerous to America. These self-righteous fanatics would be labeled as the political terrorists that they are and put behind bars for life as menaces to a free society if they hadn't managed to first get elected to Congress. In Congress, these nuts have been able to cloak themselves in an aura of respectability that they do not deserve. How did this horde of locusts ever get to Washington in the first place? Most are Frankensteinian products of the Christian Coalition, an organization with a frightening amount of money at its disposal and a very successful grassroots program in place to get their pet monsters elected to Congress. This is especially true of those in The House of Representatives, who are elected from small Congressional districts, not statewide, as Senators are. Therefore, it is easier to get a fanatic into the House than the Senate. This is why most of the coup planners are in the House, not the Senate, and why the strongest invective, most personal attacks, and insidious partisanship also are occurring mainly in the House. Once in the House, these Freaks of Nature slithered into leadership positions, number one, because the Republicans controlled the House and number two, because Gnewt GetRich, their political idol, helped put them there. Gnewt GetRich named the most rabid of these fanatical Clinton-haters lieutenants in his Army of the Apocalypse. This freaky band of Wingnuts has even cowed moderate Republicans into voting their way on impeachment. This has been done by threatening the moderate Republicans with the prospect of facing a Christian Coalition-backed Republican opponent in the primaries of their next Congressional election. Of course, as one concerned citizen wrote in a letter to the editor of The San Francisco Chronicle, the coup planners were also aided by other Republicans, some moderate, who just wanted plain old revenge against Clinton. Revenge because of his two electoral victories in two Presidential elections, revenge because of the ousters of Nixon, Dole, Gingrich, and company, ad nauseum infinitum. But, it is GetRich's Band of Zealots who are running the show. They are why Congress is so full of partisanship and hatred and personal attacks. Gnewt GetRich, with his Politics of Hate (patent still pending), and the Christian Coalition, with its Holy War, are the source of the cancer eating away the American body politic. CNN, a multi-billion dollar operation with hundreds of so-called "experts" at its disposal, tried to figure this out on the day of the impeachment vote, but failed. And millionaire celebrity pundits everywhere
Re: [CTRL] Tunnels - GREAT URL
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/8/99 9:11:01 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hiya Robert, Can't say that I'm a Hoagland fan. I believe that there are tunnels for very innocent reasons. But why would we need 5 and 10 mile long tunnels in the middle of no where? There's a 9 mile tunnel in Chama. I've been to Chama. It's dinky little town - there's nothing there. I mean a small town - with a gas pump and that's about it! Now, the southwest is famous for old mines but, I suspect that this isn't an old mining tunnel. It's a little weird. I could ask around and see what the local folk have to say about it. Hilary Hilary, As I recall from running the numbers the Chama NM/CO tunnel is 12.6 miles long and 10.92 feet in diameter. Where it is listed as a BuRec project, I would imagine it has something to do with water...although you never know. If you happen to be in the area sometime, I would be curious as to what the locals say. Up in Idaho in a little town on I-15 between Idaho Falls and the Montana border is a town called Dubois. Just north of Dubois is a large Dept of Agriculture "sheep station." To set the flavor of this picture the Dept of Agriculture station which was used as a cover for a circlular underground lab which worked on viruses and such in the movie Andromeda Strain. When you talk to the folks in Dubois (of which the small community supposedly depends on sheep station money for its small economy) nobody and I mean absolutly NOBODY has any clue what is done, other then to say something about "sheep research."When you ask some locals the question "do you have family that works there?" The answer seems to be "yes, but they don't talk about it" Usually is one newspaper article a year about some sheep this or that and that is the size of it. Then you have the LA County Dept of Corrections (Yup you read it right, Los Angles Calif) BUS that appears in Dubois during the night about twice a year or so. Apparently the bus stays for "a couple of weeks" then it drives off again in the middle of the night. Supposedly nobody knows who the driver is, why the bus is their, or 'who' comes in the bus but they are so used to its appearance that it isn't given a 2nd thought. Probably just as strange as a 12.6 mile tunnel out in the middle of no where. :) Cheers, Robert DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men
-Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 6:05:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the nation and the south and even the black population of the south would probably have been better off if Lincoln had not forced the south through military means back into the union. You don't seem to understand much about human nature. Slavery was not just an economic issue. It was a way of life and cheap self esteem. It was the dark pleasure of having absolute power over others. Slavery had deeply corrupted the South. To think that the results of slavery were typically benign or even neutral is fantasy. It is also naive to think that the slave masters would ever have voluntarily given up their corrupt power. Don't just focus on the shallow economics oriented histories, consider and read about the social/psychological realities. Jerry So I don't know much about human nature? But you, I suppose are an expert. Have you ever lived in the south? Have you ever really gotten to know someone who had been a member of the Klu Klux Klan? Do you have a friend who is black and lived in the south and is married to the daughter of an Alabama farmer? You have NO comprehension of what you are talking about when you start prattling about how "corrupted" the south might have been or is now. You are the one who is living in a fantasy world. Is it naive to think that the slave masters would ever have voluntarily given up the "corrupt" powers? Is so, why had Lee and others freed freed their slaves? Yes, there were economic reasons to believe slavery would end. But there were other forces that would have ended it as well. You are the one who is fantasizing in order to justify in your own mind the federal government's war on the south and its imposition of powers it was never granted by the Constitution. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] House Cleaning
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.rollcall.com/newsscoops/3rdscoop.html House Clerk's Office Shake-up Continues Two Assistant Clerks Fired After Carle Resignation By Ethan Wallison Two top officials at the House Clerk's office were fired this week in the wake of a December audit that contained allegations of poor to lax management at the chamber's key procedural division. Ray Strong and Julie Perrier, both assistant clerks, were key lieutenants under House Clerk Robin Carle, who resigned last month in the aftermath of an inspector general's audit. The audit focused on lax management practices throughout the office. It also led to a referral to the House ethics committee of potential charges against Carle, who was alleged to have used a House credit card to pay for hundreds of dollars in personal expenses. Carle was also alleged to have used staff at the Clerk's office for personal errands, which would constitute a felony. While the ethics committee loses jurisdiction once a potential target of an investigation leaves Congress, it can refer information that suggests criminal wrongdoing to federal law enforcement entities for possible prosecution. Ethics committee chief counsel Ted Van Der Meid refused to discuss any details related to the Carle matter. A knowledgeable source said the firings of the two assistant clerks were not related to the alleged malfeasance by Carle, but were part of a larger shake-up at the Clerk's office, where management problems have been cited for more than a year. Deputy Clerk Jeff Trandahl, who made the firings, has been appointed interim Clerk while a replacement for Carle is sought. The fired aides did not respond to phone inguiries. House Democrats, who only Tuesday received a copy of the Nov. 24 ethics committee referral, were agitated by what they claimed were conspicuous efforts to keep them uninformed about the extent of the problems at the Clerk's office. They charged that Republicans had tried to gloss over the problems in order to avoid embarrassment similar to that which followed revelations of malfeasance by former Chief Administrative Officer Scott Faulkner two years ago. "The whole IG thing was set up when we were in the majority, because [then-Rep.] Newt Gingrich [R-Ga.] and the others were complaining about the way we were running this place," said one Democratic leadership aide. "Here, they have clearly corrupted the process." A senior Republican aide disputed the allegations, contending that Democrats on the House Oversight Committee were kept informed at every stage of the audit process. The aide said no access should have been given to the ethics committee referral. Carle, 42, who was the first female Clerk in the history of the House, declined to respond to repeated inquiries, citing the ongoing ethics matter. Through an associate, she released a statement to Roll Call yesterday saying she took "full responsibility" for "various operational concerns, specifically certain expense reports" cited by the inspector general. Carle said she has reimbursed the government for $619 in questionable expenses. She did not address the allegations that she had misused staff at the Clerk's office. The IG report, which was released Dec. 16, 1998, painted a picture of a Clerk's office laggard in numerous basic management areas. Among other things, the report noted that Carle had failed to establish any policies and procedures for the use of government vehicles and computer equipment. There were also no procedures established for the use of two government charge cards -- an American Express card meant for travel expenses and an Exxon card meant for gas. "Specifically, there is no guidance prohibiting personal use of such resources," said the report, which was prepared by John Lainhart, the inspector general. "Without adequate policies and procedures in this area, the Office of the Clerk is vulnerable to abuse and misuse." Elsewhere, the audit refers to an anonymous "manager" who reported that no staff meetings had been held in more than a year. The ethics referral was unavailable but some of its details were made available through sources who had read the material. Among other things, Carle was alleged in the referral to have used a staffer to put up her Christmas tree and to fill out paperwork for an adoption she sought, according to sources who also said the referral cites routine absenteeism by the Clerk throughout the last year of her tenure. Carle was appointed Clerk following the GOP's ascension to the majority in 1994. A Carle associate said the irregularities associated with Carle's use of a House credit card stemmed from her decision to forgo the chauffeur-driven Town Car available to House officers in favor of her Jeep, which she also used for personal matters. Carle retained the chauffeur and wound up driving the Jeep for personal use on gas charged by the chauffeur
Re: [CTRL] Proud to be an American?
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:17:25 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- snip "Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any public official, save exactly to the degree that he himself stands by the country" -Theodore Roosevelt Great Quote! I'll add that to my list. Too bad I just did a report on Teddy Roosevelt, that would have been a great addition to my report. I'll post it on my friend's BBS... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Coup de Satire, then Coup de Pat
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/8/99 11:59:00 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tom J. Wright A Semi-Weekly Column of Political Commentary December 15-December 31, 1998 Clinton Impeached: Republican Coup D'Etat Nearly Complete AND Where Did These Lunatics Come From? What Tom, author of this commentary, fails to describe is that in order for his perceived "Republican Coup D'Etat" to work, 15 Senators of the party he likely supports and pays homage to have to vote to remove from office. If that happens, no matter what anybody says, claims or does, it is no longer a Republican effort, but both a Republican and Democratic determination that this President is no longer fit to serve in office. The truth is there was no Republican plot to get the President. If anything, the so called plot originated inside the Oval Office when the President dropped his pants to a 21 year old intern many times then lied about it. Had the President told the truth in January of 1998, we would never have been at this point. According to Washington Insiders, the plan amongst Democats is to make sure Clinton is still in office until either Jan 20th, or 21st, when Clintons 2 year mark is up BECAUSE Gore can run for office TWICE after serving out Clintons term. If Clinton resigns or is removed from office before that Gore can only run for 1 term AFTER serving out the balance of Clintons term. See the political difference a day makes brevity snip Get loud. Get rowdy. Get serious. The VAST MAJORITY of Americans want censure, not impeachment or removal from office. This huge majority of voting Americans cannot and will not be ignored by Senators anxious to retain their seats in Congress. This country is governed by the rule of law, not the rule by lynch mob, i.e. rule by whatever the majority decides. Imagine what Tom would do if an opinion poll was done, or the "vast majority decided"in his home town which advocated tearing down his house to make room for some new community something. Tom would instantly go and want to talk about the rule of law and the Constitution as opposed to what the so called vast majority want. In the long term, Democrats and the American People must do more, though. They must get out and vote, as so many did in November, in each and every election. However, this is especially true of the year 2000 elections. If the People really get out and vote, Democrats will control both Houses of Congress and the White House. Inspite of the "pending" impeachment threat against a President that supposedly has over a 65 percent approval rating from the people of America, these same people still permitted the Republicans to retain a majority. Before the election many of the Democrat blow hards were all proclaiming how the American public was sick of a ll this, how they were going to vote the Republicans out etc etc. That still leaves Republicans in control of The Supreme Court, the majority of Governorships, and most of the Establishment Media, often called the fourth branch of government. However, it will put a serious dent in Republican plans to practice more of their slash and burn system of anti-democracy which they've become so good at these past six years. If you believe in the Constitution then you are anti-democracy...because you realize just as the founders did that a democracy is dangerous and ends in a very violent death. America is a Constitutional Republic where the rule of law is greater then any ONE person, any GROUP of persons, any IDEA's whether they be conservative or liberal and any POLITCAL party. All of this is very doable, my friends. A little-remembered, but much worried-over fact (by the Repubs), is that in terms of the raw number of voters out there, the Democrats are the majority party in the United States (with Independents running a strong second). And since we have a winner-take-all system of elections, instead of the much more civilized proportional representation, Dems have an advantage. Democrats lost in 1980, 1984, 1988, lost Congress in 1994, 96 and 98. So what is the point about having an advantage. The Republicans though are able to compete by utilizing their most cherished, most highly-valued and sacred commodity: $$money$$. Lots of it. Preferably corporate. And in large, unmarked bills, thank you very much. Tom fails to comprehend that both partys milk the money cow. It was Democrats who were in power and who gave us the current system of soft money in 1974/75 during the post watergate campaign money reforms. Of course back then Democrats were milking the money cow major big time and people like Tom didn't care as long as his party was at the money trough. But mainly, the Republicans think American voters will forget all about the Republican coup of 1998, come 2000, because of voter ignorance and memory deficiency.
Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Remote Viewing and Much More
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/7/99 1:36:35 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subject: The Truth About Remote Viewing and Much More From: "Jerry Newport" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, Jan 7, 1999 12:41 AM Message-id: kv_k2.1067$[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Truth About Remote Viewing and Much More The CIA and the USA military have shown a great deal of interest in what is being called remote viewing. What this is, is the ability to call up images and sounds in ones own mind of far away places even though they are not physically there to gain information about others that can be used to the persons advantage. Whenever I hear about remote viewing, my mind immediatly reverts to Courtney Brown, and Ed Dames. Over the year we heard such pronouncements (this is a very short list of a long list of tales and remote viewing) from the supposed RV community of: 1) There is a martian hive colony living underground in New Mexico and in 1996 the martians were going to come out and invade earth. Didn't happen. 2) After amateur astronomer Chuck Sharmak unloaded his pictures of the supposed companion object allegedly following Hale Bopp, within 3 days of the announcement the remote viewers confirmed the claim. No Companion object and Sharmak apologized for his mistake. 3) The remote viewers told us that they had RV'ed how the earth, when it transversed through the path of Hale Bopp was going to get some type of pathagon which would destory all grass and other green plant life. Never Happened. 4) We had remote viewers all extolling why the other remote viewers were full of crap, but they weren't. Partially true. Both were full of crap. Cheers, Robert DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ziggurats for Danno...
-Caveat Lector- "-- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 23:24:26 -0500 From: Homer Simpson 11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: W Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Victory City I received your E mail of Dec. l8, l998 but there was no message. Could this have been lost in transmission somehow? Please try again, as I will be interested in hearing from you. Homer Simpson" Yup.. .Homer Simpson meet Saddam Hussein. Saddam Hussein meet Homer Simpson. You have very sane,smart and powerful people backing your loony *ziggurats for all* programs. Have you hugged your ziggurat [or Saddam] today? Danno -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 10:59 PM Subject: [CTRL] Ziggurats for Danno... -Caveat Lector- we the Ziggurat builders of the world are conspiring against you Danno. FWP. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:05:42 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Future-Cities] Victory City From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Future-Cities list. See http://www.victorycities.com. Seems to be one of the city-in-one-building designs like the Ziggurats of Keesy and Shimizu or Bini's Tower City which would be built on shallow coastal seas. FWP. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 23:24:26 -0500 From: Homer Simpson 11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: W Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Victory City I received your E mail of Dec. l8, l998 but there was no message. Could this have been lost in transmission somehow? Please try again, as I will be interested in hearing from you. Homer Simpson To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. *** With world population increasing at almost 100,000,000/year what will cities of the next century and next millenium be like? *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Slavery - was Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: (Though I can understand the problem of those who (like Jefferson) inherited slaves and did not understand what to do about the situation). I don't, however, believe that Jesus would have called upon his disciples to take up the sword against their owners. That's exactly what he did. What is the chapter and verse on this? I don't remember anything like this at all. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Howard: Baseless accusations
-Caveat Lector- Edward Britton wrote: Yes, I believe, based on what I have read and have heard from Libertarian pundits, that Libertarians subscribe to the same basic philosophies as Republicans with respect to government. The only possible exception, again, according to my experience and research, is that Libertarians are more closely aligned with anarchy than fascism. *** Republicans, in general, advocate both economic and social interventions. Libertarians advocate neither. That seems to me to be a rather greater difference then you would indicate above. In a recent discussion with a very liberal friend of mine he asked me for my definition of fascism. I replied that it was a system of government which does not own the means of production (as in communism) but controls these businesses and society in general through regulation. He agreed with me on this. What is your definition of fascism? Both groups seek a rationalization for an otherwise socially heinous subscription to social Darwinism. *** Please define what you mean by social Darwinism. I have never heard a libertarian say that they were a social Darwinist. Yes, I have labored through Mein Kamph, and I also realize that there is only an ideological difference at best between Hitler's "form of government" and that proposed, in-practice, by Republicans and Libertarians. This is especially true in regard to the need for political scapegoats (e.g., the homeless or welfare recipients) and scapegoating (e.g., stereotyping). *** The need for scapegoats is a form of government? You mean like the Department of Scapegoating? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Tetrasil (tetrasilver tetroxide)
-Caveat Lector- Re: Colloidal silver, (the) Marvin Antelman --- Tetrasil: Cure for AIDS Author:EEllinwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1998/01/07 Forums:hiv.aidsweekly --- Foundation for Incurable Diseases 28 Overland Avenue, Cranston, RI 02910 (401) 942-8399 voice/fax - please limit faxes to 2 pgs (no cover needed) 06 January 1998 Release No.: 980106 For Immediate Release: CURE FOR AIDS AT HAND! The Foundation for Incurable Diseases is pleased to announce it has come to an agreement with Dr. Marvin Antelman of Antelman Technologies, which will provide to those suffering from AIDS a cure for little or no cost! Dr. Antelman has developed Tetrasil (r) (tetrasilver tetroxide) which is a patented bioinorganic antipathogenic molecular crystal device. Tetrasil kills pathogens by electrocuting them! Dr. Antelman, whose work throughout the years has varied from innovative designs for nuclear submarine reactors and smart card batteries, discovered that silver (Ag) actually is formed by Ag and Ag3, and it is this discovery that lead him to the development of Tetrasil. (Tetrasil is not colloidal silver.) Through the construction of a molecular sized semiconductor, Dr. Antelman was able to force natural silver (which is actually ag2) into its two separate components of Ag and Ag3 and to keep them separate, thus retaining the potential for an electron discharge. In layman's terms, one section of the Tetrasil machine contains an extra electron charge that desparately wants to cross to the other side, but cannot due to the manner in which the molecular machine is constructed. The molecular machine is, thereby, polarized and charged, and remains so until triggered. The Tetrasil machine is triggered when it comes into contact with a pathogen (thus the reason for the name "anti-pathogenic molecular crystal device"). Pathogens (bacteria and virii alike) are drawn to the device by strong covalent forces, and when they come into contact with the machine they are locked into place by these forces. The extra electron charge is then free to make its way to the other side of the Tetrasil machine by traversing the cellular membrane of the pathogen, which it immediately does. The 2 volt discharge electrocutes the pathogen in the process. A chelation process is triggered as a result and both the Tetrasil machine and the dead pathogen bound to it are removed by the liver. The liver is stressed, but not damaged. Tetrasil is classed as an EPA Class IV substance - the SAFEST rating available, which means it is safe for human consumption. EPA Class IV status is equivalent to FDA Stage One approval. Tetrasil has redefined the standards by which the govt. judges efficacy against e-coli: nothing works faster and more effectively than Tetrasil. In human clinical AIDS trials, a SINGLE IV injection of Tetrasil cured 8 of 10 terminal AIDS patients, who showed no sign of disease one year after treatment. The two other patients succumbed due to the damange already inflicted by the disease. It was too late for them. Tetrasil will be distributed: - as a cure for FAIDS (feline AIDS - 30% of all cats suffer from the disease) in the USA, for which FDA approval is not needed. - as spray disinfectants and wipes - as treatment for drinking water and waste water (no poisonous chlorine needed any longer) - as disinfectant for cooling towers (no more legionaires disease) - AS A CURE FOR HUMAN AIDS - and many other uses Dr. Antelman turned down millions of dollars from an NIH associated group that wanted all rights to Tetrasil because he knew they would make the treatment too costly or suppress it altogether. (Dr. Antelman knows how the system works and is disgusted by it.) Tetrasil has the potential to cure practically all disease caused by pathogens, from TB, to the common cold. Dr. Antelman, an orthodox rabbi, is a righteous man, who seeks to help ease human suffering, not profit from it. (Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman is a member of The Supreme Rabbinic Court, aka 'the Sanhedrin', the oldest established court in the world.) The Foundation for Incurable Diseases needs public support to bring this modern miracle to the people of the world. The pharmaceutical industry is already rallying to stonewall distribution of Tetrasil, because it will replace all their poisonous (and highly profitable) treatments for AIDS -- all of which will kill a healthy person. Help us fight the true killers -- the pharmaceutical industry. More people die from treatment for AIDS than from the disease itself. The time has come to cease this nonsense. No one need ever die of AIDS again. For information, please write to the above address, or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Edwin Ellinwood FID
[CTRL] Zionism and the Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- from: http://reformed-theology.org/html/israel.htm Zionism and the Conspiracy The Nation Of Israel by Robert L. Pierce "Zionism is the most stupendous fallacy in Jewish history" --Henry Morgenthau, Sr.* 1 To learn the background behind the modern Nation of Israel we need again to go back in history, this time to the year 1881 and the city of St. Petersburg in Czarist Russia. There, in March, the movement to establish the Nation of Israel received its energizing impetus from the explosion of a bomb. The bomb, thrown by a Russian revolutionary, murdered the benign Czar Alexander II, ending his policy of conciliation toward the Jews of Russia and inaugurating an oppressive reign under Czar Alexander III. Within months after the assassination, the Russian minister of the interior, Count Nicolai Ignatiev, announced that, since the tolerant policies of Alexander II had failed, harsh measures against Russian Jewry were now in order.2 The notorious pogroms, anti-Jewish riots under thinly-veiled government sponsorship, soon followed, with the loss of many Jewish lives and the extensive destruction of Jewish property. Next came a series of anti-Jewish decrees, termed "temporary regulations", which came to be known as the "May Laws" since they were placed into effect on May 3, 1882. These "temporary" laws were so repressive and restrictive on Jewish life that, by the year 1900, nearly 40% of Russia's Jews were dependent upon charity.3 The combined effect of the pogroms and the May Laws drove the Jews of Russia, in desperation, to seek relief in whatever direction it could be found. As chance would have it, leadership was available to the Russian Jews in either of two directions. One direction was into the underground revolutionary movement, and a minority of Jews did indeed become revolutionaries, participating in the subversive movement which culminated in the successful Communist subversion of Kerensky's government in late 1917, and in the consolidation of Communist control by 1922. Although the presence of many Jews in leadership positions in the Communist revolution has led some observers to the mistaken conclusion that Communism is a Jewish conspiracy, those Jews were in fact driven toward and led into an already-existing conspiracy by the events of 1881 and 1882. As all students of the Master Conspiracy are well aware, the Conspiracy by then was at least a hundred years old, fully capable of having planned and perpetrated those events. Certainly the Conspiracy benefited immensely from the entry into the revolutionary movement of so many Jews. The second direction in which the hard-pressed Jews of Russia were encouraged to seek relief was emigration from the country. The idea of Zionism, the return of Jews to their original homeland of Palestine, had been discussed academically among a few Jewish leaders for many years, but very little of a practical nature had been accomplished. One of the first to promote the Zionist idea was Zvi Hirsch Kalischer, in writings published during the period 1843 to 1862, but most of the religious Jews of his time considered his proposals to be blasphemous.4 Another promoter of the idea was Moses Hess, who in 1862 published "Rome and Jerusalem." Hess, a friend of Karl Marx when they were both students at the University of Bonn,5 was a collaborator with both Marx and Engels,6 a dedicated socialist, and a member of the First International.7 Walter Laqueur in his "A History of Zionism" remarks at the "curious coincidence" that, in the same year of 1862 in which Hess's book "Rome and Jerusalem" appeared in western Germany, a pamphlet on the same subject should appear in the Hebrew language in eastern Germany, written by Kalischer. Laqueur considers it "remarkable" that the two publications, emanating from two such diverse sources as a radical socialist and an ostensibly Orthodox rabbi, should appear at the same time advocating such similar doctrines and political solutions.8 Laqueur follows the usual pattern of not daring or not wishing to call it conspiracy. But in the 1860's and 1870's Zionism was an idea whose time had not yet come. It was advocated only by a tiny minority of Jews, discussed and debated by a few, denounced by a substantial number, and ignored by most. Since the Jews residing in the various European countries were experiencing better treatment during the nineteenth century than they had been accustomed to in previous centuries, they had no particular incentive for emigrating. But the assassination of Czar Alexander II and the tragic events which followed changed all this abruptly so far as the Russian Jews were concerned, and it was the Russian Jews who provided the main driving force toward Zionism. The Zionists among the Russian Jews were encouraged in their endeavors by
[CTRL] Fwd: CC: Canadian hemp farmers on trial in Nicaragua!
I received the following message from Don Wirtschafer of the Ohio Hempery, and thought it deserved more attention. This message is a bit long, but it is important and this will soon become a very big issue. Don travelled to Nicaragua to testify on behalf of the Canadian hemp farmers who had their 100 hectares of hemp burned to the ground by US DEA agents, and who are now charged with widespread cultivation of marijuana. They face the real possibility of spending time in a Nicaraguan jail for legally growing 100 hectares of low-THC hemp grown from legally imported Chinese hemp seed. -Dana Larsen ** ** Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:59:48 -0500 From: Don Wirtshafter [EMAIL PROTECTED] A story is breaking in Nicaragua that should reach the world stage soon. I just returned from trying to turn around an ugly situation, but left without visible results. I hope some fair treatment in the U.S. and Canadian media can do some good. The story starts with a group of Canadian investors who wanted to do some good for Nicaragua. Bankers, builders and merchants got together and incorporated Hemp Agro International with offices in Vancouver, Toronto and Managua. Their website (http://www.hempagro.com) describes their project and development they hoped to bring to the tropics. Nicaragua stagnates in the aftermath of series of natural disasters and a U.S. financed civil war. If there was ever a place to demonstrate industrial hemp's utility for sustainable economic development, Nicaragua is it. Hemp Agro planted 100 acres of Chinese hempseed and hired a full-time professional botanist to supervise a crop improvement program. The company envisioned growing a series of hempseed crops, pressing the seeds for oil, making products from hemp oil and utilizing the stalks for particleboard. The project was dependent on their developing an improved tropical variety of seed hemp, something not being attempted anywhere else in the world. The project took on additional significance in the aftermath of Hurricane Mitch. Tens of thousands of homes need to be replaced. The relief agencies had a choice, cut down thousands of acres of trees for building materials or accelerate the building of the hempstalk particleboard mill. Most of the traditional crops suffered heavy damage during the storm, Hemp Agro's crop withstood the winds and rain. Fifty employees were busy harvesting bags full of hemp seed and building a mountain of hemp stalks. That's when a U.S. DEA agent went ballistic. One day before Christmas, he caused an army of black hooded soldiers to move in and occupy the field. The men each posed for their picture in front of the large signboard that marked the "Hemp Agro Nicaragua, S.A. Research and Development Site." See: http://www.elnuevodiario.com.ni/archivo/1998/diciembre/24-diciembre-1998/ nacional/nacional10.html (This and the following links are in Spanish. For those who do not speak Spanish, paste these URL's into http://babelfish.altavista.com/cgi-bin/translate? for a rough translation into English.) Then they began the long task of gathering the crop in piles and setting them on fire. http://www.elnuevodiario.com.ni/archivo/1998/diciembre/26-diciembre-1998/ Dr. Paul Wylie, the Canadian horticulturist who was hired by the group to supervise the project, was feeling pretty satisfied with his work in Nicaragua. His employees were busy harvesting their first crop of seeds. He had learned quite a bit about growing hemp in the tropics. Christmas was approaching and the harvesting would have to stop for the holidays. Dr. Wylie was in a taxi on his way back from the bank with the payroll for his 50 workers. A black car tried to force them off the road. A couple of motorcycles approached. Both Wylie and his driver thought they were being robbed. The driver started to head up on the curb to get away when bullets began tearing up the cab. Wylie and the driver were terrified until their attackers finally identified themselves as police. Wylie thought his troubles were over, but they were just beginning. Wylie was arrested and taken to the brig. The same prison that former dictator, Anastasio Somoza, used for his worst political enemies. A perfect movie set for an 1850's western, except it's an historic military base. Perched on the rim of the volcano, it's got an incredible view. Only the prisoners can't see a thing, they are kept in dungeons underground. In Nicaragua, you are considered guilty until proven innocent. Forget the right to counsel, forget the right to remain silent, this is not America. In the aftermath of his arrest, ten days of hearings took place on the case, only Wylie had no right to attendor help his attorneys prepare. He was locked up tight. Bail or bond were not available. Without an explanation of the charges, Wylie could not even figure out what he was being accused of. Thankfully, his wife was
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- You own the list. You can do what ever you want with it. However, your banning Hawk from the list without even a warning or and ending to that particular thread is objectionable to me. Will I be next? Now I will have to be looking at everything I write and wonder if I will be cut off for writing it. I don't know if your cutting him from the list is because of what you stated or if it was because you did not wish to deal with an arguement you had firmly planted in your mind and did not wish to have shaken. I personally do not recall a passage in the Bible which condemns slavery even though my own code of ethics precludes it. Perhaps a deeper understanding of the moral code of 3,000 years ago and its relationship to that of today would be useful. I don't know. But apparently we aren't going to be discussing it here. best wishes, Howard Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- I will agree, that there is much 'blame' to go around during the recent 'STUPID' bs flamings. And I really don't want to be a recess monitor. Sometimes I figure, if ya dish it out better expect to deal with it. Mostly it is a bore. Hawk was not put on 'no post' for 'baiting or flaming, but my own personal distaste for bible-thumping slavery apologists. Historical outlooks/discussions buttressed by bibical 'infalliabilty and interpretation" are futile and a waste of time. MHO And personally, somekind of hang-up, I guess, but I just don't 'cotton' to racism, bigotry and slavery, 'authorized' by the Bible, Chamber of Commerce or whatever. Excuse me. And besides what/whose sides? There is the cryptocracy. Their helpers and us, hoi polloi. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Colliers - Some True History of these courageous investigators
-Caveat Lector- Dear Gavin -- Sorry for the delay in answering, and thanks for your kind words. I believe the Collier book is indispensible reading. The book, as you know, is a kind of journey of the "Colliers as Investigative Detectives" -- it was their story and the incredible type of experiences you have when you go all out to take on the Ruling Elite on the local or national level. The Colliers were the real "Geraldos" or the real "Jack Andersons" of our age. The "Geraldos" and "Jack Andersons" are phonies who only go so far, and it isn't very far -- so they can continue to have access to the evil Big TV networks. I have no respect for the position that the Collier book is "not credible" as has been stated by The New American (betraying their predecessor, American Opinion, which carried the first national article ever on Vote Fraud in the computer age, written by Susan L.M. Huck in 1977) or, for instance, The Clinton Administration Scandals (CAS) list on the internet moderated by Ray Heiser, which covers very effectively much of the minutia of the Clinton Scandals, but doesn't seem to want to see the big picture. One caution: the reader must use critical thinking when reading the Collier material in one respect: The Colliers would present some of their educated guesses as virtually certain. They have usually been proven right over time, but in some cases the jury is still out. Example: In the first or second chapter of Votescam, they intimate that John Sununu was rewarded by George Bush with the Chief of Staff position in the Bush White House because Sununu was instrumental in fixing the computers in New Hampshire to give Bush an upset victory there in 1988 against Bob Dole. They point out that Sununu was an owner in some way or another of the computer company that counted the votes in Manchester -- about 30% of the vote in New Hampshire (the rest of the votes in NH are counted in the proper way, by citizens at the precincts before the votes leave the precinct -- and NH is the only place left where that happens at all). Now I am still open to the possibility that Sununu was involved in such chicanery. Very strange things happened against Pat Buchanan and for Bush in NH in 1992. But it's not proven yet, and Sununu has never commented on it (probably doesn't feel the need to do so) one way or the other. I personally think that people like Sununu are not at a high enough level to be told about how and when computer elections are fixed, which I believe is done by a "deep cover" operation of CIA types who cooperate with the Big Media to make sure that the Ruling Elite (centered around the FED in this country) remains in power against any and all challengers. But's that just a guess, too. So, with the caveat to be careful to scrutinize what the Colliers prove, or what they testify to from first hand experience, vs. what they present as educated guesses --- I highly recommend the book, and really feel it is essential reading at this time in America. I met them in 1985 when we invited them to Cincinnati to help investigate the Board of Elections on election Night 1985 in Cincinnati, Ohio. This story is told in Votescam: The Stealing of America in chapter 12 entitled "Strange Bedfellows." We had a court order allowing us to name experts to investiage "any and all" aspects of the election process", and two of the experts we named were the Colliers. This story is also told in a pamphlet I wrote called "The Greatest Cover-up of All: Votefraud in America" -- the Colliers did a great job, as proven by the fact that the Judge was called down to the Board of Elections to modify his court order to forbid videotaping on election night! There is a great exchange between Ken Collier and Judge Richard Niehaus, caught on the audio portion of the film, in which the Judge is trying to defend his decision to forbid videotaping. The Colliers had guts and they risked arrest in the minutes that followed, at which time they did capture on videotape women tweezing votes out of ballots with household tweezers. The next morning we were on the Jan Mickelson Show on WCKY and the Board of Elections would not put anyone on against us. I have this on audiotape also, and we really should make these available for historical posterity. I learned a lot from the Colliers, including the existence of the scoundrels at Voter News Service who "conduct" all those bogus exit polls every election day for all four (now five) of the Big TV networks. Chapter 15 and 16 in Votescam are absolute dynamite on exit polls and the Big TV network's darling, Voter News Service. Thank God, the Colliers got their life investigation down in writing. Why did the Colliers call the chapter about themselves and ourselves "Strange Bedfellows" ?? Well, the Colliers were sixty leftists who were deeply involved in that whole movement. They were friends with Tom Hayden, who later wouldn't help them at all. Hayden, another sell out. They arranged the now
Re: [CTRL] Hawk
-Caveat Lector- You never show what you are replying to . Duh!!! Agent Smiley wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ditto, or, ruff-ruff. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAB273 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:18:24 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:30:29 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21157938 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:30:28 -0500 Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.8]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16122 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id RAZPa20555 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:30:21 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:30:21 EST Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Agent Smiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hawk To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] External Forces
-Caveat Lector- Thanks Harry. Hope your listening M.A.R.K (pseudonym) and anyone else who suffers from this bizarre scenario. Harry Hendrickson wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hello Richard, Suggest you purchase top of the line anti-virus program now before the higher functions of your system come crashing down as well. I have a moderately well designed system but I will be installing the best anti-virus system I can afford. Too much at stake to lose my hard drive at this juncture ! Ask some of the "computer kids" out here what they would suggest. I may listen in myself. Good luckharry -- From: Source - Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] External Forces Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 9:27 AM -Caveat Lector- I was hoping someone was going to bring this up. I have had MAJOR technical errors when passing and recieving information, particularly regarding Mind Control or Government conspiracies. I also accessed a CIA affiliated site and was infected with a serious virus. Can anyone deny or confirm if this is intentional and how it happens MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- Today I have emailed a friend of mine details on Mind Control and Remote Viewing. Since I did this my Laptop has crashed 3 times, and my e-mail is working only sporadically. Has anyone else had any similar experiences after posting Conspiracy Theory related items, or is a just a technical glitch/coincidence?? MARK DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA121 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:58:58 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 9:11:01 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21132208 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:11:01 -0500 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13191 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17470 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1999 14:10:42 - Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 14:10:42 - Received: (qmail 16644 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1999 14:05:19 - Received: from unknown (HELO SERVERA.ZIPPACK.CO.UK) (195.166.136.140) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 14:05:19 - Received: by SERVERA with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) id CQG310AW; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:09:41 - MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: 8177A6A8FD17D21182BE0080C8470DA7011342@SERVERA Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:09:38 - Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: MARK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] External Forces To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's
Re: [CTRL] Hawk et al
-Caveat Lector- Hawk really had what was coming to him. I also agree that William 'egged' him on but he does not deserve throwing off, he was simply defending his views. RoadsEnd wrote: -Caveat Lector- Howdy all, I have just gone through a lengthy post from Hawk, using the bible to justify slavery and comments about how it really wasn't that bad and if ya look at the farm logs, some places only whipped their slaves "0.7 whippings per year". Now I was raised in the south, Virginia and Tennessee, and realize that the 'official line and history' of the Civil War is no more accurate than todays news. But I got no time for a bible thumping slavery apologist. He can start his own list, about that crap(MHO), it is an easy thing to do these days. He could even start a anti-CTRL, with some nazis, for all I care. Hawk can recieve CTRL posts, he cannot post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to CTRL right now. And with all the chatter I am really too busy for anymore 'noise'. Please all, let us be civil and think a bit before ya post. Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA112 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 04:45:00 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:55 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21199784 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:54 -0500 LISTSERV.AOL.COM; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:54 -0500 Þ listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06667 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DVYMa00808 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:38 +1900 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:38 EST Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Hawk et al To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- What constitutes "baiting"? While I've subscribed to the list, I've read posts attacking Jews, minorities, and "liberals." Plus, all of the vile and scurrilous posts about the President and Hillary. In addition, I've read posts that have targeted the poor, welfare recipients, and Native Americans. Not to mention the many posts attacking feminists or women in general. Plus, there are the many strange posts defending slavery. I have responded to these many attacks in as courteous a manner as possible. Barb Witt, who does not share my views on many issues, has pointed out that I have tried to be fair and polite to those who I disagree with. I don't think I've "baited" anyone. If anything, I have been "baited" by the neofascists on the list from the outset with snide remarks and ad hominem attacks. I locked horns with Hawk...only to now be accused of being Hawk in disguise!!! Ha ha...go figure! Yes, there is a similarity between the two of us... And I do respect the maneven though I disagree with everything he believes. I've spent my entire life surrounded by people who think like he doesand I think I was making progress towards showing him that liberals and people of color also love their country...also love their kids...also believe in decency, integrity, respect for property...the same things he values I'm not a white middle class American. I didn't go to an elitist school... My father was an alcoholic, parents divorced when I was twelve... I know what it's like to live on the streets and be hungry...how many of you can say the same? Have you ever worked at a factory? washed dishes to eat? worked in construction? ...struggled to survive? Old Hawk and I come from the same low strata. We are the people who follow behind your parade with the shovels. I understand his sense of betrayal and rage. He's my brother.. although I disagree with his views. So...if you dislike my posts...just hit the delete button. On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Jim Norman wrote: -Caveat Lector- May I second the motion. In my opinion, "baiting" took place on both sides and if one goes, they should all go. Jim norman William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hawk has informed me that he was removed from the list. I would like the listowner to reconsider his or her decision. All of us have been guilty of intemperate remarks from time to time on this list. (myself included.) I'm on the opposite end of the political spectrum from the dread bird, and I didn't find his posts that offensive. I've read some blatantly anti-semitic stuff that was far more offensive, in my opinion, that his posts.. Best wishes, William On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- I think you missed my earlier post. I'm not against the idea of states leaving the Union...per se. In the case of the Civil War, as in most wars, the issues were confused and complex. But I think on the issue of slavery there was no compromise. Mr. Davis, what appears to be "logical" or "illogical" depends upon your point of view, the criteria one uses to frame a particular discussion. For example, if you were a white male southerner at the time who owned slaves, you would be interested in protecting your "property," and you would not be too enthusiastic about the Federal government's plan to free your slaves. However, for the sake of argument, I was the slave owner ...and you were MY slave. You might have a completely different perspective on the issue of what exactly IS property and what ISN'T. If I decided to take your children from you and sell them to my neighbor, you wouldn't be able to complain, because the law had defined you to be chattel. Or, perhaps,if I decided to enjoy the sexual favors of your wife. Again, you would have nothing to say in the matter because I would be the absolute lord and master over the Davis family. Your wife, your children, your lives would be held in my tender hands. Now, being a thinking and reasonable person, I just might make a reasonable assumption that YOU would object to this state of affairs. In fact, it might not be a legal or logical issue to you...it might be an emotional and intensely personal issue to you, would you agree? Of course, I could trot out my Holy Book and explain to your sorry ass that you are chattel...and I could explain the Constitution to your untutored ears.and explain the finer points of the noble English Common Law tradition It would not surprise me that you might be unimpressed with the wisdom of my philsophy. Perhaps, you might even be emotional about it. Regards, Wm On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Howard R. Davis III wrote: -Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- Davis and the other southern commanders had taken oaths as soldiers
Re: [CTRL] Hawk et al
At 11:56 PM 1/8/99 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Howdy all, I have just gone through a lengthy post from Hawk, using the bible to justify slavery and comments about how it really wasn't that bad and if ya look at the farm logs, some places only whipped their slaves 0.7 whippings per year. Next time you write to Hawk, ask him over to work at your place and be paid 0.7 whippings per year just to see what he says. --Ted Daniels
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Frank Rizzo: Name Ring A Bell?]
At 06:06 PM 1/6/99 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Rizzo approved the firebombing of the Philadelphia tenement.. Hmmm, I might be totally wrong, please correct me if so, but I'm pretty sure William Goode (sp?) was the mayor of Philadelphia when the MOVE bombing took place in May 1985. If I'm not mistaken, he beat law 'n' order Frank Rizzo in the mayoral election, which was a pretty big deal because Goode was a black mayor who won by coalition-building, while Frank Rizzo... well, he had his supporters, too. Rizzo had been mayor forever, but in 1985 Goode had recently won the mayor's office, one of the few black mayors in major U.S. urban areas at the time. That's all correct. I watched the smoke from MOVE out my kitchen window at the same time that TV was reporting the curious shyness of the PFD, who'd been trying all morning to dislodge MOVE's rooftop bunker with water cannons. When the State Police helicopter dropped its C4 charge on MOVE's roof and the fire started, it suddenly became too dangerous for the fire trucks to approach. Naturally, no one (except the MOVE survivors) stood trial.
[CTRL] Tokers Jailed - Murderers Released
-Caveat Lector- The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #73 -- January 8, 1998 Murder Charges Against Four in Baltimore Dismissed for Lack of Court Space The backlog that exists in Baltimore's Circuit Courts, due mainly to thousands of drug cases, resulted in the dismissal of murder charges against four individuals this week (1/6) who had waited more than 13 months for a trial. Felony trials are supposed to begin no later than six months following arraignment, but the city has neither enough judges, courtrooms, nor prosecutors nor public defenders to handle the caseload. Michael N. Gambrill, District Public Defender for Baltimore told The Week Online that more than 80% of the cases in the district court are drug cases. "The police might arrest one junkie for passing a small amount of something to another junkie. Now, technically, they're distributing, but the reality is that it's just people who are addicted who are feeding their habits," Gambrill said. But they're being brought into the system as felonies, which is overloading the system." The by-product, says Gambrill, is a lack of justice. "It's not uncommon for people to sit in jail for six to eight months, and sometimes longer before trial. These people haven't been found guilty of anything. They lose their homes, they lose their jobs, they lose contact with their families and loved ones based simply on the fact that they have been charged. That is not justice." In the case of the dropped murder charges, the four defendants had been waiting more than three years for a trial. In that case, the normal delays were compounded by the difficulties of finding dates on which the four separate defense attorneys (none of those defendants were represented by the public defender), the prosecutor, the judge and a courtroom were all available. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Snitch Alert
-Caveat Lector- MEDIA ALERT: PBS Frontline to air "Snitch" On Tuesday, January 12 at 9pm (check local listings), PBS will air "Snitch," a 90 minute feature exposing the use and misuse of confidential informants by the U.S. government. Frontline will examine how mandatory minimum sentencing legislation turned the use of informants into the lynchpin of prosecutorial strategy in the Drug War. Producer Ofra Bikel takes viewers inside the mind of the informant and profiles some unsettling cases in which the most minor offenders are serving harsh prison sentences on the word of a snitch, while higher-ups, with information to trade, walk free. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pandering Pols Federalizing Frenzy
-Caveat Lector- flw forwarded: Rehnquist to Congress: Stop Federalizing Crime On New Year's Eve day, Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court William Rehnquist delivered his annual end-of- year report on the judiciary to Congress. His message to legislators, spoken in blunt terms, was to stop making a federal case out of every crime that hits the headlines, overburdening the federal judiciary in the process. MJ: Listed in the Constitution as (federal) crimes ARE: Article I, Section 8, Clause 6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States; Article I, Section 8, Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations; Article I, Section 8, Clause 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And So unless it is in DC, on the high seas, between nations OR counterfeiting ... it is plainly stated that ALL crime is local. Another exposure of the vast usurpation of powers not bestowed upon the US Government. Regard$, --MJ Congress cannot, under pretext of executing delegated power, pass laws for the accomplishment of objects not entrusted to the Federal Government. -- Linder v. US, 268 US 5, 17 (1925). DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men
-Caveat Lector- "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 6:05:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the nation and the south and even the black population of the south would probably have been better off if Lincoln had not forced the south through military means back into the union. Constitutionally, they should of been allowed to secede, but I think what might have happened here, is Lincoln may have thought it was a minor rebellion led by a few. Not until he got forces out, did he realize how dedicated each southron was and is dedicated to the cause. The North and the South had and still has a different culture, economic structure, and I believe due to these reasons ...misunderstanding occurred. It is interesting to note, the people selling the slaves were black men themselves, and the one slave owner who had the most slaves was a Haitian that lived in Louisiana. One must also remember there were white slaves. But getting back to slavery issue, and beatings,...when you buy a mercedes...or something expensive like that do you intentionally go out to harm it..crash it, scratch it. Heck, no you paid good money for it, and you will try to do your best so nothing happens to it...well slaves were expensiveand expensive to maintain(slavery would have faded out on its own) It was the over-seers that were the culprits, people who learned how to abuse their power. But if the were caught...many times it was there behind. Slavery as we see it, in the situation that we are in is evil, we were raised that way, but let me throw out this one question on this, how can we today dare judge a society of yesterday...without understanding the culture, and the mores of that society. You don't seem to understand much about human nature. Slavery was not just an economic issue. It was a way of life and cheap self esteem. Many black folk were like family and treated as of such. It was the dark pleasure of having absolute power over others. Slavery had deeply corrupted the South. Only 5% were slave owners, the war was over preservation of cultures on both sides. To think that the results of slavery were typically benign or even neutral is fantasy. Huh ? It is also naive to think that the slave masters would ever have voluntarily given up their corrupt power. Economics is what one looks at, it was becoming uneconomical to have slaves, and was going out. Those that owned the slaves would have made this transition from slavery to freeman a lot more smoother, many slaves were thrown out in the streets, did not have a place to go, the mighty liberals of their day did not have a plan...the owners would have. Don't just focus on the shallow economics oriented histories, consider and read about the social/psychological realities. Bunk Jerry You have NO comprehension of what you are talking about when you start prattling about how "corrupted" the south so, why had Lee and others freed freed their slaves? Yes, there were economic reasons to believe slavery would end. But there were other forces that would have ended it as well. Carlene M. Wojahn DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 12:36:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hawk was not put on 'no post' for 'baiting or flaming, but my own personal distaste for bible-thumping slavery apologists. Historical outlooks/discussions buttressed by bibical 'infalliabilty and interpretation" are futile and a waste of time. MHO I agree with all that you state. Hawk causes my hair to rise straight up, the man is more than a little wrong headed. However, variety in opinion is a good thing because it forces some of us to clearly state why we are opposed to that which is anathema to us. If you don't push Hawk, he remains fairly courteous. I wish to add my voice to Tunstall and Shrum in suggesting that although Hawk's temporary (?) exile was probably a good thing for him, it will be good for all of us if he is now let back in. CTRL is a marvelous forum, maintained at no small price by RoadsEnd. One hears (ok, reads) things here that are essentially forbidden in the mainstream media. I understand that folks like the butterfly should be given the boot because they are incoherent and obviously insane. Hawk has his head on backward but he will state chapter and verse for his opinions (thereby revealing that civilization requires more than "just the facts, mam"). In his own way he makes us think anew and thus adds to the CTRL goal of freeing through the truth. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: Geeshh you had me worried there, that you weren't who you are, and Hawk isn't who he is, and I was even beginning to wonder if I was who I am.I was beginning to sense a conspiracy of our identities being taken away...oh, well...I am glad you cleared that all up for me. - What constitutes "baiting"? While I've subscribed to the list, I've read posts attacking Jews, minorities, and "liberals." Plus, all of the vile and scurrilous posts about the President and Hillary. In addition, I've read posts that have targeted the poor, welfare recipients, and Native Americans. Not to mention the many posts attacking feminists or women in general. Plus, there are the many strange posts defending slavery. I have responded to these many attacks in as courteous a manner as possible. Barb Witt, who does not share my views on many issues, has pointed out that I have tried to be fair and polite to those who I disagree with. I don't think I've "baited" anyone. If anything, I have been "baited" by the neofascists on the list from the outset with snide remarks and ad hominem attacks. I locked horns with Hawk...only to now be accused of being Hawk in disguise!!! Ha ha...go figure! Yes, there is a similarity between the two of us... And I do respect the maneven though I disagree with everything he believes. I've spent my entire life surrounded by people who think like he doesand I think I was making progress towards showing him that liberals and people of color also love their country...also love their kids...also believe in decency, integrity, respect for property...the same things he values I'm not a white middle class American. I didn't go to an elitist school... My father was an alcoholic, parents divorced when I was twelve... I know what it's like to live on the streets and be hungry...how many of you can say the same? Have you ever worked at a factory? washed dishes to eat? worked in construction? ...struggled to survive? Old Hawk and I come from the same low strata. We are the people who follow behind your parade with the shovels. I understand his sense of betrayal and rage. He's my brother.. although I disagree with his views. So...if you dislike my posts...just hit the delete button. On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Jim Norman wrote: -Caveat Lector- May I second the motion. In my opinion, "baiting" took place on both sides and if one goes, they should all go. Jim norman William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hawk has informed me that he was removed from the list. I would like the listowner to reconsider his or her decision. All of us have been guilty of intemperate remarks from time to time on this list. (myself included.) I'm on the opposite end of the political spectrum from the dread bird, and I didn't find his posts that offensive. I've read some blatantly anti-semitic stuff that was far more offensive, in my opinion, that his posts.. Best wishes, William On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- I think you missed my earlier post. I'm not against the idea of states leaving the Union...per se. In the case of the Civil War, as in most wars, the issues were confused and complex. But I think on the issue of slavery there was no compromise. Mr. Davis, what appears to be "logical" or "illogical" depends upon your point of view, the criteria one uses to frame a particular discussion. For example, if you were a white male southerner at the time who owned slaves, you would be interested in protecting your "property," and you would not be too enthusiastic about the Federal government's plan to free your slaves. However, for the sake of argument, I was the slave owner ...and you were MY slave. You might have a completely different perspective on the issue of what exactly IS property and what ISN'T. If I decided to take your children from you and sell them to my neighbor, you wouldn't be able to complain, because the law had defined you to be chattel. Or, perhaps,if I decided to enjoy the sexual favors of your wife. Again, you would have nothing to say in the matter because I would be the absolute lord and master over the Davis family. Your wife, your children, your lives would be held in my tender hands. Now, being a thinking and reasonable person, I just might make a reasonable assumption that YOU would object to this state of affairs. In fact, it might not be a legal or logical issue to you...it might be an emotional and intensely personal issue to you, would you agree? Of course, I could trot out my Holy Book and explain to your sorry ass that you are chattel...and I could explain the Constitution to your untutored ears.and explain the finer points of the noble English Common
Re: [CTRL] Truth About Evil
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 12:11:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And this is a tremendously painful prospect, because it is a tremendously personal one. There were never many Nazis or Nazi sympathizers in America and very few political, cultural and intellectual figures of note among them. But such is not the case with communism Oh yes there were. Many, many of our elite business community, including the grandfather of the man who may run for president, George Bush Jr. And there were lots less well known folks as well. Nazi sympathisers were fairly thick on the ground (so to speak). At least one radio personality of those old days, a guy named Rudy who yodeled and whose number one fan was yours truly. He suddenly was no longer on the radio, and it was years before a visiting Air Force colonel with whom I was discussing espionage mentioned him. It seems he was sending coded messages (by yodeling) with information about the convoys leaving the United States for England. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Coup de Satire, then Coup de Pat
-Caveat Lector- Where in the world did the idea come from that the left had anything to do with the downfall of Richard Nixon? Bob Woodward was the point man in this operation, and he is as conservative as they come, both in heritage and in personal belief. He was not a cub reporter. He was an ex-Navy commander who had been a briefing officer at the White House. I don't know when he decided to leave the White House and take a job with the Washington Post. How did he get the plum? Your guess is as good as mine. He was not a good writer, but he did have the background of Yale where he was involved in journalism to some extent. He didn't make Skull Bones, but he was Snake Book or Book Snake, whatever. After him we have Alexander Haig and a host of others who could never be considered to be "left or liberal" however you want to slice it. It was the "right" that booted Nixon. It was his own that decided he had to go. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 1/8/98
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Impeached POTUS Starr Pursues More Oval Office "Groping" Julie Hiatt Steele indicted THE independent counsel Kenneth Starr is reviving his pursuit of Bill Clinton for allegedly fondling a 51-year-old socialite from a prominent Virginia Democratic family when she visited him at the White House, asking for help, in November 1993. Kathleen Willey has told of how the President embraced her in the Oval Office and lured her to his adjoining study to grope her breasts. She said: "I just could not believe the recklessness of that act." It emerged yesterday that Mr Starr is now building a solid case, indicating that he thinks Mr Clinton perjured himself about Mrs Willey. Republican prosecutors in the Senate impeachment trial said they now wanted to call Mrs Willey as one of their witnesses to bolster their case against the President. Towards the end of Mr Clinton's four-hour evidence to a federal grand jury on Aug 17, Mr Starr's deputy, Jackie Bennett, homed in on Mrs Willey's claim. The President's tone changed abruptly. Instead of carefully parsing his answers and looking shifty, as happened during the Lewinsky cross-examination, he was almost defiant. Asked if he made sexual advances towards Mrs Willey, he said: "That's false." Questioned about specific acts alleged by the woman, he said: "I did not" and "No, I didn't." He then said: "Mr Bennett, I didn't do any of that, and the questions you're asking, I think, betray the bias of this operation that has bothered me for a long time. She was not telling the truth." However, yesterday Mr Starr obtained grand jury indictments against a former friend of Mrs Willey, Julie Hiatt Steele, 52, charging her with lying to the jury in the Lewinsky investigation, and obstructing justice. Mrs Steele is being drawn into the affair because a television producer, Bill Poveromo, has insisted that she told him "the President had groped" Mrs Willey, and that she knew about it "right after it happened". She also supported Mrs Willey's account in what she said was an "off-the-record" interview in 1997 with a Newsweek reporter. However, she later retracted the statement. The indictment alleged that the retraction was a lie, which Mrs Steele provided under oath last February in a deposition in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit against the President. The charges are a severe blow to the White House, which fears that Mr Starr might be putting pressure on Mrs Steele to become a witness against the President. Aides have tried desperately to paint Mrs Willey as too unstable to be believed. They were helped by the crime novelist Patricia Cornwell, who lives near her in Richmond, Virginia. Apparently enraged that the author had defected from the Democratic Party to the Republicans, taking with her a $10,000 campaign contribution, Mrs Willey visited her home, leaving a pile of books and a vicious letter on the doorstep. If Mrs Willey becomes a Senate witness, she might be even more riveting than Miss Lewinsky. She claims that the President "put my hand on his genitals". He was "aroused" and grabbed her breasts, she alleges. As she drew away "I recall him saying he had wanted to do that for a long time". Senate prosecutors are interested in her evidence to a Washington grand jury in which, according to Newsweek, she told of a two-day visit to the estate of Nathan Landow, a wealthy Democratic ally of the President. She said he repeatedly pressed her about her version of the encounter, telling her: "Don't say anything." Of Mrs Willey, the President has said that she came to him because she was upset about domestic problems. He said that he was simply comforting her, he said: "I embraced her. I put my arms around her. There was nothing sexual about it." Mrs Willey, whose lawyer husband Edward shot himself on the day of the encounter because of financial problems, said that all she had wanted was to change her job as a White House volunteer to a paid member of the staff. Her marriage was in ruins and she was facing a desperate financial situation. The London Telegraph, Jan. 8, 1999 The Politics of Lying French See Danger in Too Much Truth "Lying gets a good press" PARIS - ''Truths!'' Charles de Gaulle is supposed to have shouted. ''Did you think I could have created a (Free French) government against the English and the Americans with truths? You make History with ambition, not with truths.'' The quote is from a new book by Thierry Pfister, a French editor, who uses it to illustrate his thesis that for the French mind, lying in politics is the norm, and that anyone trying to attach a standard of truthfulness to a politician's behavior is naive and worthy of contempt. The general, he suggests, said as much. This is part of Mr. Pfister's explanation of why he believes the French, and particularly France's elites, do not understand how
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- what is this..I don't understand this list, first message I opened, one was accusing one to be another.,,now you are saying it happens all of the time. Is this what this list is about, if so I might as well leave. I want to learn about things not argue if he is really he..if she is he ..if me is me...or whatever. I hope this list is more than that. Carlene "L. Shipton" wrote: -Caveat Lector- We have had this before. Multiple personal conversations (expessally from the same person, on the same thread) without documentation, citations, or URL's! My answer. Substance--Not soapboxing! CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Laura aka The Pied Piper PS I hope this is clear enough for you to understand, this time. -Original Message- From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison -Caveat Lector- What constitutes "baiting"? While I've subscribed to the list, I've read posts attacking Jews, minorities, and "liberals." Plus, all of the vile and scurrilous posts about the President and Hillary. In addition, I've read posts that have targeted the poor, welfare recipients, and Native Americans. Not to mention the many posts attacking feminists or women in general. Plus, there are the many strange posts defending slavery. I have responded to these many attacks in as courteous a manner as possible. Barb Witt, who does not share my views on many issues, has pointed out that I have tried to be fair and polite to those who I disagree with. I don't think I've "baited" anyone. If anything, I have been "baited" by the neofascists on the list from the outset with snide remarks and ad hominem attacks. I locked horns with Hawk...only to now be accused of being Hawk in disguise!!! Ha ha...go figure! Yes, there is a similarity between the two of us... And I do respect the maneven though I disagree with everything he believes. I've spent my entire life surrounded by people who think like he doesand I think I was making progress towards showing him that liberals and people of color also love their country...also love their kids...also believe in decency, integrity, respect for property...the same things he values I'm not a white middle class American. I didn't go to an elitist school... My father was an alcoholic, parents divorced when I was twelve... I know what it's like to live on the streets and be hungry...how many of you can say the same? Have you ever worked at a factory? washed dishes to eat? worked in construction? ...struggled to survive? Old Hawk and I come from the same low strata. We are the people who follow behind your parade with the shovels. I understand his sense of betrayal and rage. He's my brother.. although I disagree with his views. So...if you dislike my posts...just hit the delete button. On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Jim Norman wrote: -Caveat Lector- May I second the motion. In my opinion, "baiting" took place on both sides and if one goes, they should all go. Jim norman William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hawk has informed me that he was removed from the list. I would like the listowner to reconsider his or her decision. All of us have been guilty of intemperate remarks from time to time on this list. (myself included.) I'm on the opposite end of the political spectrum from the dread bird, and I didn't find his posts that offensive. I've read some blatantly anti-semitic stuff that was far more offensive, in my opinion, that his posts.. Best wishes, William On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- I think you missed my earlier post. I'm not against the idea of states leaving the Union...per se. In the case of the Civil War, as in most wars, the issues were confused and complex. But I think on the issue of slavery there was no compromise. Mr. Davis, what appears to be "logical" or "illogical" depends upon your point of view, the criteria one uses to frame a particular discussion. For example, if you were a white male southerner at the time who owned slaves, you would be interested in protecting your "property," and you would not be too enthusiastic about the Federal government's plan to
[CTRL] End of oil economy
-Caveat Lector- The Death of the Oil Economy by Ted Trainer From Earth Island Journal, Spring 1997 Australia - A new report on world oil resources, World Oil Supply 1930-2050 (Campbell and Laherre, Petroconsultants Pty. Ltd., 1995), concludes that the planet's oil supplies will be exhausted much sooner than previously thought. The report, written for oil industry insiders and priced at $32,000 per copy, concludes that world oil production and supply probably will peak as soon as the year 2000 and will decline to half the peak level by 2025. Large and permanent increases in oil prices are predicted after the year 2000. Industry experts assumed in the past that oil resources would last 50 years, based on calculations that simply divided estimated reserves by the present annual use. But this method of prediction failed to account for an increase in Third World oil use. If everyone on Earth were to consume petroleum at the per capita rate of industrialized countries, it would require a fivefold increase in current oil production to meet the demand. If, by 2060, the world's population reaches the expected 11 billion mark and all were to consume as much energy as the average Australian does now, annual worldwide oil production would need to be increased about 30 times. It seems that the oil companies and oil exporting countries have been fibbing. It is in their interest to state that remaining resources are in good shape, because their business agreements limit them to pumping and selling a proportion of their remaining resources. In fact, the rate of oil discovery is falling sharply. The world consumes 23 billion barrels a year, but the oil industry finds only 7 billion barrels a year. Economists argue that scarcity will result in price increases, making it more profitable to access poorer deposits. That seems plausible only if one thinks only about dollar costs. The fact is, as an oil field ages, increasing amounts of energy must be exerted to pump the oil out. The cost of this energy must be subtracted from the total value of the energy in the oil retrieved. According to a 1992 study, these two curves actually will intersect around the year 2005. Beyond that point, the energy required to find and extract a barrel of oil will exceed the energy contained in the barrel. There is reason to believe that the oil industry is well aware of oil field depletion. No new supertankers have been built for 20 years, while interest in squeezing oil from shale deposits seems to be growing. What, then, is the solution to our acute energy problem? There isn't one. Natural gas resources are about as limited as petroleum and gas use recently has been growing at a rate of 9 percent per year. Relying on nuclear energy to provide 11 billion people with First World living standards would require a system of 250,000 giant breeder reactors using around 1 million tons of plutonium. The tremendous amount of energy necessary to build fusion reactors (if they ever could work on a commercial scale) would guarantee a far worse greenhouse problem than what we face already. Even then, fusion power could supply perhaps only 2030 years of energy for an affluent 11 billion people. There is no question that we should convert to renewable energy sources as quickly as possible, but even "clean" energy is not capable of bringing the Western world's energy-intense way of life to all people. Beyond 2005, the energy required to find and extract a barrel of oil will exceed the energy contained in the barrel. There is not enough plant matter to fuel the world's transport fleet. To supply 11 billion people with the number of cars used by people in rich countries would demand 10 times as much fuel as used today. Because the wind does not blow all the time, wind-energy never will be able to contribute more than 5-30 percent of the world's present electricity demand. And a popular proposal to meet Northern Europe's winter energy demands by utilizing solar collectors in the Sahara desert fails to acknowledge that about 95 percent of the collected energy would be lost in transmission and conversion. A person living in a First World city requires the equivalent of about 4.5 hectares (11.1 acres) of productive land for food, water, housing and goods (as well as carbon sinks to soak up the carbon dioxide produced by their energy use). Applying this "ecological footprint" standard to Australia shows that Sydney needs an area of productive land 35 times as big as the city to sustain itself. For 11 billion people to live like people in Sydney, we'd need about 50 billion hectares (124 billion acres) of productive landaround six times all the productive land on the planet. By the year 2060, if the world maintained a mere 3 percent annual economic growth rate and all the world's people were to benefit equally, world economic output would have to increase to 80 times its current rate. These
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- Howdy all, The utility of CTRL as an informational exchange network starts to diminsh as the volume gets larger. Much of the volume is being created by discussions of asides and other trivial matters. Political and relgious 'stances' discussions are subjects based upon 'personal' 'beliefs' and continual battlement on these subjects deter our study of 'social history and the forces behind the scenes. Yes, there is much to be learn from the discussions, in both understanding others and ourselves, but IMHO, get it the way of 'reading the river' looking at the news and what-not, to see where the hoi polloi is being directed. Much of our newsmedia is directed at 'prodding' the paradigm into the cryptocracy's direction. In other words, some of the news and ' public actions' are for the purpose of validating/massaging the cryptocracy's future plans. Now, I been a-thinkin', Lord have mercy, I can create a list that will recieve all posts from CTRL and will be open for more discussion and chat. What say yea? I will put Hawke back on 'post'. Please, let us all think before we post. As to the question of whether slavery is a sin or not. If you have to ask the question . . . The understanding of 'moral codes' of 3,000 years ago is not the purpose of this list. The cryptocracy doesn't give a damn. Your beliefs are used against you. Stand upon a rock not on the sand. Understand the son of man, not enslavement to 'words'. MHO We shall see. . . Om K I got a life . . . In a message dated 1/9/99 1:30:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You own the list. You can do what ever you want with it. However, your banning Hawk from the list without even a warning or and ending to that particular th I will be cut off for writing it. I don't know if your cutting him from the list is because of what you stated or if it was because you did not wish to deal with an arguement you had firmly planted in your mind and did not wish to have shaken. I personally do not recall a passage in the Bible which condemns slavery even though my own code of ethics precludes it. Perhaps a deeper understanding of the moral code of 3,000 years ago and its relationship to that of today would be useful. I don't know. But apparently we aren't going to be discussing it here. best wishes, Howard Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- I will agree, that there is much 'blame' to go around during the recent 'STUPID' bs flamings. And I really don't want to be a recess monitor. Sometimes I figure, if ya dish it out better expect to deal with it. Mostly it is a bore. Hawk was not put on 'no post' for 'baiting or flaming, but my own personal distaste for bible-thumping slavery apologists. Historical outlooks/discussions buttressed by bibical 'infalliabilty and interpretation" are futile and a waste of time. MHO And personally, somekind of hang-up, I guess, but I just don't 'cotton' to racism, bigotry and slavery, 'authorized' by the Bible, Chamber of Commerce or whatever. Excuse me. And besides what/whose sides? There is the cryptocracy. Their helpers and us, hoi polloi. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- Carlene, Welcome to the list! This is the second time I've subscribed...and you will be exposed to every kind of conceivable opinion here. So, don't leave. But at times, the exchanges become particularly nasty. Just before you posted, one of the list contributors suggested that I (William) might be, in reality, another contributor who goes by the net monicker of Hawk. I assured her that I am not. [William checking himself carefully...no black wings in evidence] This kind of lunacy does occasionally take place here. People are free to sound off about any topic they so desire... And I think it is a good thing. But at times a lynch mob mentality prevailsand some of us want to control the direction/topics/kind of verbal exchanges that take place. I tend to approach the list from the standpoint that one can actually LEARN from people whom one disagrees with. Debate...even if at times it sinks to the level of acrimony is a good thing in a free society...because we are exposed to new ideas...new information...new perspectives on old topics Our list has a number of exceptionally well-informed individuals coming from a variety of different backgrounds who make invaluable contributions to the list serve. Then, there are others who approach the list from a combative perspective They believe that they are the sole possessors and purveyors of "the truth"and it is their mission in life to enlighten the rest of us who have strayed into darkness. But even they make a contribution of sorts. Ordinarily, I don't tend to lock horns with the individuals on the list...but I get tired of their bullying supercilious attitude and feel that I have a duty to give some kind of response. (But if I were to respond to every post...I would never get away from this computer screen.) Best wishes and welcome to the list William On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, Carlene M. Wojahn wrote: -Caveat Lector- what is this..I don't understand this list, first message I opened, one was accusing one to be another.,,now you are saying it happens all of the time. Is this what this list is about, if so I might as well leave. I want to learn about things not argue if he is really he..if she is he ..if me is me...or whatever. I hope this list is more than that. Carlene "L. Shipton" wrote: -Caveat Lector- We have had this before. Multiple personal conversations (expessally from the same person, on the same thread) without documentation, citations, or URL's! My answer. Substance--Not soapboxing! CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Laura aka The Pied Piper PS I hope this is clear enough for you to understand, this time. -Original Message- From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison -Caveat Lector- What constitutes "baiting"? While I've subscribed to the list, I've read posts attacking Jews, minorities, and "liberals." Plus, all of the vile and scurrilous posts about the President and Hillary. In addition, I've read posts that have targeted the poor, welfare recipients, and Native Americans. Not to mention the many posts attacking feminists or women in general. Plus, there are the many strange posts defending slavery. I have responded to these many attacks in as courteous a manner as possible. Barb Witt, who does not share my views on many issues, has pointed out that I have tried to be fair and polite to those who I disagree with. I don't think I've "baited" anyone. If anything, I have been "baited" by the neofascists on the list from the outset with snide remarks and ad hominem attacks. I locked horns with Hawk...only to now be accused of being Hawk in disguise!!! Ha ha...go figure! Yes, there is a similarity between the two of us... And I do respect the maneven though I disagree with everything he believes. I've spent my entire life surrounded by people who think like he doesand I think I was making progress towards showing him that liberals and people of color also love their country...also love their kids...also believe in decency, integrity, respect for property...the same things he values I'm not a white middle class American. I didn't go to an elitist school... My father was an alcoholic, parents divorced when I
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: CC: Canadian hemp farmers on trial in Nicaragua!
Jolly Roger wrote: One problem confuses the issue for all involved. For the position of local manager, the investors chose to hire an historic figure, Oscar Danilo Blandon (sp?). Blandon is a central character in the C.I.A. drug running scandal that was so well exposed by Gary Webb in the San Jose Mercury News and in his recent book Dark Alliance. Blandon was one of the founders of the Contra party and remains well connected with the power structure in Nicaragua. But to finance the contra armies in the Reagan 1980's, Bland imported tons of cocaine into America. He served almost two years in a federal prison. Blandon holds an MBA, is bilingual and became quite excited by the potential of what hemp can do for his country. He proved a natural choice for project manager. But the tide turned. So what's really going on here? Who are these Canadian investors? Could they possibly be those same investors who owned George Bush's corporations when he went into business? Is hemp in competition with the oil industry? Linda More info: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/nws7.htm Hemp opponents maintain the crop is a loser both economically and politically. White House drug czar Barry McCaffrey says that the push to grow hemp is "a subterfuge" for efforts to legalize marijuana and that hemp is unlikely to be a profitable crop anyway. "Legalizing hemp sends the wrong message about marijuana," says David Des Roches, an aide to McCaffrey who specializes in hemp. "These poor farmers are being conned by the marijuana legalization groups. If hemp were a viable crop, we'd have a harder time putting forward our agenda. Thankfully, it's not." The critics note that world hemp production has fallen from 1 million acres in 1960 to 250,000 acres today. The traditional big growers - China, Romania, Hungary - have always relied on cheap labor for a profitable crop while the new Western European farmers depend on government subsidies worth $222 an acre in 1998. +++ from: http://www.parascope.com/mx/hemp01.htm Hemp-based newsprint could be produced at half the cost of inferior wood-based newsprint. Superior hemp fabric could easily compete with cotton. And scientists had just begun to explore the medical uses of marijuana. In 1937, hemp was a rapidly growing industry with virtually unlimited potential, which, according to conservative estimates, would currently generate $500 billion per year -- if it had not been criminalized by a group of elite industrialists with very different plans for industry in the 20th century. http://www.parascope.com/mx/hemp03.htm The criminalization of marijuana in 1937 presented some difficulties in World War II, when the Japanese seized the Philippines, the source of America's cordage at the time. (The Philippines were seized forty years earlier by the United States during the Spanish-American War, a war which Hearst worked very hard to help initiate -- but that's another story.) Hemp was temporarily re-introduced in 1942 to fill the hemp gap, and films such as the USDA's Hemp for Victory encouraged patriotic American farmers to make good use of cannabis. George Bush, whose War on Drugs would send untold American citizens to prison, was actually saved by hemp during World War II: the webbing of the parachute he used after bailing out of his burning airplane over the Pacific was made from -- that's right -- hemp. http://www.parascope.com/mx/hemp04.htm The global elite use numerous tactics in their struggle for one-world economic hegemony, and one of the main pressure points is the oil industry. If you can control a nation's fuel supply, you can exert tremendous influence over that nation's affairs. You can make it do your bidding. The fossil fuel leg of the globalist pyramid would be yanked out by widespread use of biomass fuel, of which hemp is probably the best source. Hemp would also dislodge certain pharmaceutical monopolies, who charge exorbitant prices for drugs which cost pennies to produce and whose effects can be readily replicated by cannabis-derived drugs. Ah, but what about the timeless argument that "You people are just using all that as an excuse to smoke pot"? No doubt, the prime motivator for some marijuana decriminalization activists is that they simply enjoy smoking it. Evidence in this article provides plenty of other compelling reasons to support legalization, but the argument can still be made. Well, what of it? According to the federal Bureau of Mortality Statistics and the National Institute of Drug Abuse, tobacco kills 340,000 to 425,000 per year. Alcohol -- NOT including 50 percent of all highway deaths and 65 percent of all murders -- kills more than 150,000 Americans per year. Even aspirin takes out between 180 and 1,000 people per year. According to these same figures, marijuana kills not one person per year. Zero. Zilch. Nada. So pick your poison! In light of the vast economic potential of hemp, does it really matter that some
Re: [CTRL] Tunnels - GREAT URL
-Caveat Lector- Robert wrote: As I recall from running the numbers the Chama NM/CO tunnel is 12.6 miles long and 10.92 feet in diameter. Where it is listed as a BuRec project, I would imagine it has something to do with water...although you never know. It's listed as being near the San Juan river so it could have been used, or is still being used, to divert water. This is cattle country. I'm sure many (if not all) of these tunnels are for utility purposes. Though I do question A LOT, I don't see a conspiracy with each and every event. If you happen to be in the area sometime, I would be curious as to what the locals say. Chama is only about 30 minutes from here so, the locals here should know. I'll ask around. Up in Idaho in a little town on I-15 between Idaho Falls and the Montana border is a town called Dubois. Just north of Dubois is a large Dept of Agriculture "sheep station." To set the flavor of this picture the Dept of Agriculture station which was used as a cover for a circular underground lab which worked on viruses and such in the movie Andromeda Strain. Yikes!!! That's nice to have in one's backyard. I used to live near Washington, D.C. and was in the area when there was "that minor incident" with the ebola virus. When you talk to the folks in Dubois (of which the small community supposedly depends on sheep station money for its small economy) nobody and I mean absolutely NOBODY has any clue what is done, other then to say something about "sheep research."When you ask some locals the question "do you have family that works there?" The answer seems to be "yes, but they don't talk about it" Usually is one newspaper article a year about some sheep this or that and that is the size of it. Then you have the LA County Dept of Corrections (Yup you read it right, Los Angles Calif) BUS that appears in Dubois during the night about twice a year or so. Apparently the bus stays for "a couple of weeks" then it drives off again in the middle of the night. Supposedly nobody knows who the driver is, why the bus is their, or 'who' comes in the bus but they are so used to its appearance that it isn't given a 2nd thought. Prisoners have been used as test subjects before. H...that is interesting. Probably just as strange as a 12.6 mile tunnel out in the middle of no where. :) Yeah, it's a little weird and may have a completely reasonable explanation for being there. Things do happen in these small southwest towns. 12 of the 80 some members of the Colorado cult (now dispersed all over the world) came from here. The employer of one of the young women had very nice things to say about her but, that she had seen some changes taking place a year or so before she joined the cult. For reasons of confidentially, I won't go into details. It's typical cult stuff - no big secrets. Hilary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Remote Viewing and Much More
-Caveat Lector- Robert wrote: Whenever I hear about remote viewing, my mind immediatly reverts to Courtney Brown, and Ed Dames. That's because they have the biggest mouths and the greatest need for the spotlight. Unfortunately, their information is bad. I have an interview that I did with Lyn Buchanan that I will post later. Lyn's one of the good ones!!! Over the year we heard such pronouncements (this is a very short list of a long list of tales and remote viewing) from the supposed RV community of: 1) There is a martian hive colony living underground in New Mexico and in 1996 the martians were going to come out and invade earth. Didn't happen. 2) After amateur astronomer Chuck Sharmak unloaded his pictures of the supposed companion object allegedly following Hale Bopp, within 3 days of the announcement the remote viewers confirmed the claim. No Companion object and Sharmak apologized for his mistake. 3) The remote viewers told us that they had RV'ed how the earth, when it transversed through the path of Hale Bopp was going to get some type of pathagon which would destory all grass and other green plant life. Never Happened. 4) We had remote viewers all extolling why the other remote viewers were full of crap, but they weren't. Partially true. Both were full of crap. This sounds like a bunch of Dames' nonsense. Hilary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: SOLDIERS ATTACK NIGERIAN COMMUNITIES
ENVIRONMENTAL RIGHTS ACTION (ERA) ERA ALERT SOLDIERS ATTACK OIL COMMUNITIES ? TRADITIONAL RULER, OTHERS FEARED KILLED [By Olu Owolabi, Reporting from WARRI. Punch, Lagos, January 7, 1999, Back page] Armed men attacked on Monday, two villages in Warri North Local Government in Delta State: Opia and Ikiyan, during which some of the villagers, including a traditional ruler, were killed. Narrating their experiences in Warri on Wednesday, some of the survivors of the attacks, told newsmen that attack was in two batches, one by an unspecified number of men who raided the villages in an aircraft. Shortly after the departure of the aircraft, another group of armed men came in four speedboats to launch their attack. They said the aircraft, owned by an oil company, was occupied by people in Army uniform, who stormed the villages around 2.00 p.m. on Monday, to unleash the attack. They said that just a few minutes after the aircraft took off, four speedboats with fully armed soldiers arrived the shore and fired sporadically at the villagers. They also razed down the villages. According to them, after the burning down of Opia village, the invaders moved to Ikiyan, about four kilometers to Opia, where a woman, who was fishing, was attacked and her whereabouts still unknown. Spokesmen for the communities: Messrs Tony Lawurn, Andrew Lelekumo, Solomon Sode and Sule Akpasubowei, stated that during the shootings, one of the villagers, Mr. Bright Pablobuagha, waived his hands to indicate that the communities are at peace, but the armed soldiers continued their indiscriminate shooting. Sode, who looked disturbed, said that just as Mr. Pablobuagha waived, the aircraft slowed down and the armed soldiers started to shoot indiscriminately, leading to the death of Chief Agbagbadi of Ikiyan village. For more information contact: ENVIRONMENTAL RIGHTS ACTION/ FRIENDS OF THE EARTH (FoE, Nigeria) + OILWATCH AFRICA #214, Uselu-Lagos Road, P. O. Box 10577, Benin City, Nigeria Tel/Fax: + 234 52 600165 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Port Harcourt: # 13 Agudama Street, D-Line, Port Harcourt Tel: + 234 84 236365 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lagos: # 1 Balogun Street, Ikeja Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Owerri: E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] London: Tel/Fax: + 44 181 7800574Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ENVIRONMENTAL RIGHTS ACTION (ERA) ERA ALERT SOLDIERS ATTACK OIL COMMUNITIES ? TRADITIONAL RULER, OTHERS FEARED KILLED [By Olu Owolabi, Reporting from WARRI. Punch, Lagos, January 7, 1999, Back page] Armed men attacked on Monday, two villages in Warri North Local Government in Delta State: Opia and Ikiyan, during which some of the villagers, including a traditional ruler, were killed. Narrating their experiences in Warri on Wednesday, some of the survivors of the attacks, told newsmen that attack was in two batches, one by an unspecified number of men who raided the villages in an aircraft. Shortly after the departure of the aircraft, another group of armed men came in four speedboats to launch their attack. They said the aircraft, owned by an oil company, was occupied by people in Army uniform, who stormed the villages around 2.00 p.m. on Monday, to unleash the attack. They said that just a few minutes after the aircraft took off, four speedboats with fully armed soldiers arrived the shore and fired sporadically at the villagers. They also razed down the villages. According to them, after the burning down of Opia village, the invaders moved to Ikiyan, about four kilometers to Opia, where a woman, who was fishing, was attacked and her whereabouts still unknown. Spokesmen for the communities: Messrs Tony Lawurn, Andrew Lelekumo, Solomon Sode and Sule Akpasubowei, stated that during the shootings, one of the villagers, Mr. Bright Pablobuagha, waived his hands to indicate that the communities are at peace, but the armed soldiers continued their indiscriminate shooting. Sode, who looked disturbed, said that just as Mr. Pablobuagha waived, the aircraft slowed down and the armed soldiers started to shoot indiscriminately, leading to the death of Chief Agbagbadi of Ikiyan village. For more information contact: ENVIRONMENTAL RIGHTS ACTION/ FRIENDS OF THE EARTH (FoE, Nigeria) + OILWATCH AFRICA #214, Uselu-Lagos Road, P. O. Box 10577, Benin City, Nigeria Tel/Fax: + 234 52 600165 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Port Harcourt: # 13 Agudama Street, D-Line, Port Harcourt Tel: + 234 84 236365 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lagos: # 1 Balogun Street, Ikeja Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Owerri: E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] London: Tel/Fax: + 44 181 7800574Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
[CTRL] Great Heroin Coup
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.pir.org/cgi-bin/nbonlin1.cgi/GA Kruger, Henrik. The Great Heroin Coup: Drugs, Intelligence, and International Fascism. Boston: South End Press, 1980. 240 pages. (Originally published in Denmark as "Smukke Serge og Heroinen" in 1976.) Henrik Kruger spent five years as a correspondent in Bangkok, Santiago, and Washington for the Copenhagen daily "Politiken," and has written or co-authored eight books. His work on what is today called "narcoterrorism" began more than ten years before the term was used in the U.S., and without the anti-Soviet baggage that became obligatory under the sponsorship of Reagan-era think tanks. Unfortunately this book is one of a kind and is invariably ignored by today's mainstream writers. The Great Heroin Coup raises awkward questions. The first half of the book concerns French intelligence, the OAS, the Corsican Mafia and the CIA, the Ben Barka affair, and the story of Christian David; the second half examines the CIA and Mafia in the Golden Triangle, Cuban exiles in Florida, the Nixon-Vesco connection, and the CIA's infiltration of the DEA in Latin America. The conclusion is not essential to the rich detail and dense footnoting throughout the book, but here it is: Nixon's war against the Turkey-Marseilles heroin allowed Trafficante's marketing "coup" using heroin from Southeast Asia, and for Kruger it appears that there may have been passive collusion in high places. ISBN 0-89608-031-5 http://www.pir.org/cgi-bin/nbonlin1.cgi/WD Messick, Hank. Of Grass and Snow: The Secret Criminal Elite. Englewood Cliffs NJ: Prentice-Hall, 1979. 190 pages. This book is Messick's attempt to expose the new elements behind the drug trade: blacks and Cubans, South Americans, and the counterculture. He describes the trade in marijuana, cocaine, and heroin, and the efforts of U.S. federal and local authorities to curb the supply. Richard Nixon's war on drugs -- which involved Lucien Conein and 14 ex-CIA agents assigned to him, all operating through the DEA -- is discussed in one chapter. Rumors that this was some sort of assassination squad are still circulating today. Hank Messick's many books on organized crime are widely respected. In 1965 he was hired by the Miami Herald for a series on Meyer Lansky, and his first book, The Silent Syndicate (1967), reported on crime and gambling in Kentucky and Ohio. Messick makes a distinction between the syndicate and the Mafia. The former is international and multicultural, and often includes the latter as a subset. But beginning with the Joseph Valachi hearings in 1963 and J. Edgar Hoover's "La Cosa Nostra" hype, the Mafia got all the attention while Lansky was left alone. Messick was the first to hint at the reason for this: Hoover had been compromised by Lansky, as Anthony Summers recently confirmed in "Official and Confidential" (1993). This debate is significant today for assassination theorists, because most "Mafia did it" authors still give Lansky a mere footnote or two at best. ISBN 0-13-630558-X http://www.pir.org/cgi-bin/nbonlin1.cgi/HB Anderson, Scott and Anderson, John Lee. Inside the League. New York: Dodd, Mead Co., 1986. 322 pages. The World Anti-Communist League (WACL) was founded in 1966 as a public relations arm for Taiwan and South Korea. WACL didn't attract much notice in the U.S. until John Singlaub's United States Council for World Freedom, the American branch of WACL, was launched in 1981 with a loan from Taiwan and soon began raising money for the contras. Singlaub and his supporters also operated through a network of similar groups: Western Goals, Council for the Defense of Freedom, American Security Council, Council for Inter-American Security, and the Conservative Caucus. But WACL is particularly known for its international conferences that attract "American congressmen and senators, archbishops, members of Parliament, bank presidents, and scientists. There, they have been in the company of Nazi collaborators, Japanese war criminals, Latin death squad leaders, disciples of Moon's Unification Church, and fugitive Italian terrorists." There's even a CIA connection. Ray Cline, station chief in Taiwan from 1958-1962 and later deputy director for intelligence, attended conferences in 1980, 1983, and 1984. The authors believe that covert U.S. funding played a role in the establishment of WACL, and note that Cline was in a position to be helpful when preparatory meetings were held in 1958. ISBN 0-396-08517-2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always
[CTRL] Interview with Lyn Buchanan - Remote Viewing
Remote ViewingAn Interview withLyn BuchananRemote Viewing is a fascinating subject of human potential which has captivated the attention of Lyn Buchanan for many years. Mr. Buchanan is considered a leading expert on the topic and for years has used his skills to assist the military, US government and various police departments on numerous projects. Since his retirement from the military he has devoted much of his time in using his talents in finding missing children. This article is a combination of an interview and some responses to questions that had been prepared prior to our time together. I am grateful to Mr. Buchanan for his generous efforts in making this article possible. Hilary Thomas HT: What is Remote Viewing? LB: First of all, I would make a strong distinction between Remote Viewing (RV) and Controlled Remote Viewing (CRV). Controlled Remote Viewing (CRV) stands for a single, very scientific method for training non-psychic people to do the same work as a natural, gifted psychic. It was researched, developed and used by the US government from the late 1970s through the early 1990s to gain military and political intelligence against foreign targets. Remote Viewing, on the other hand, is nothing more than the New Age term for psychic. It has so many definitions that it has come to have no definite meaning. It can stand for hundreds of different methods and practices, all of which fall under the more familiar term, psychic. The CRV name is the proprietary property of Mr. Ingo Swann, and may only be used with his permission. Recently, though, many people have begun using remote viewing with some other first word in front of it. So, instead of Controlled Remote Viewing, you get Scientific Remote Viewing or Technical Remote Viewing or some other type of remote viewing. It only means that the person is teaching/doing psychic work according to a set of rules he made up. Some even say that their set of rules are derivatives or improvements upon the Ingo Swann method. This gives them the opportunity to use Mr. Swann's name and thereby subliminally tie themselves to him in the reader's mind. The fact still stands that they are being less than honest and what they are training is not Controlled Remote Viewing. The public must be careful about this point. A plain vanilla remote viewer, then, is pretty well the equivalent of a psychic of one form or another. Now, that is not to say that there aren't some very good and talented people who are using the term. It does say something about them, though. It says that they do not understand the basic terms for what they are doing for a living. There is a simple test for a person who calls him/herself a remote viewer: remember that when a person says he is a remote viewer, it means by definition that he is not a natural psychic, but had to be trained. If he tells you that he is a natural remote viewer or that he has been remote viewing since he was a child, or that he has been remote viewing for 20-30-40 years. You can be sure that, at best, he doesn't know his subject well enough to know the proper words to use. At worst, he is out to get your money. There is a lot of misinformation and outright disinformation flying around. It has been really confusing for new people to find reliable information simply because there is so much bad information. Therefore, throughout this interview, I would like to talk about Controlled Remote Viewing, since that is what I have learned, what I do, and what I teach others to do. The things I say will not necessarily apply to remote viewing in its meaning of psychic. So, back to your original question: What is Controlled Remote Viewing? Controlled Remote Viewing, or CRV, is the name of a specific, highly structured scientific methodology which develops and utilizes a non-psychic person's ability to gain information without the aid of the normal senses, without logical deduction, without the use of devices, electronics, photos, etc. In the beginning, the people at Stanford Research Institute wanted to separate this scientific process from the word psychic as that word had so many definitions that it had no meaning either. They came up with the term, remote viewing. As soon as this method gained scientific acceptance, everyone jumped on the bandwagon and all kinds of people started calling themselves remote viewers. Ingo Swann came along and said, Just give me the coordinates of any place and Ill tell you what's there. He started the protocol of always giving the coordinates of a location at the beginning of a session and using that as the only information given to a viewer. The wannabes countered with the statement that they, too, could use coordinates and therefore they, too, were coordinate remote viewers. Finally, Ingo came up with the term, Controlled Remote Viewing. He believed that the word controlled is one thing that natural psychics and others would tend
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- Thank you for your warm welcome..the first post I opened up was the post accusing you to be someone else. The mentality of that first message got me wondering about this list. But I will stick around and see what I can learn, if anything I can learn from youand others who actually think before they write.. and for those of you wondering if I am someone else from this list check out my isp and you find out that I am not..I really am me. Carlene Carlene William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- Carlene, Welcome to the list! This is the second time I've subscribed...and you DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CTRL List
-Caveat Lector- Hiya Kris, My vote would be for 2 lists: one for discussion and the second one to post articles. A combined lists would mean way too many posts. IMHO. Hilary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A New [Old] Heroin Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- Table of Contents. from: http://www.cures-not-wars.org/ibogaine/chap04.html CHAPTER 4: Dana Beal As Dhoruba said a few months later just before he embraced Nelson Mandela at 125th Street in Harlem, every movement needs a "symbol" to inspire it. The final unintended side effect of all those trials, all that political agitation by Dhoruba's supporte rs, was that a single television image did escape from NewYork, even into the jail where Dana was sitting in Madison, Wisconsin: Black Panthers had tried to drive heroin out of Harlem with guns. Dana was born in the same hospital in Ravenna, Ohio, where the dying students were later taken from Kent State. He counts among his formative experiences shaking hands with Jack Kennedy when he campaigned in East Lansing in 1960, and hitch-hiking in August '63, at 16, to Washington, D.C., in order to be near the foot of the Lincoln Memorial for the "I have a dream" speech. Two months later he organized his first demonstration of 2,000 people, in Lansing, when the Klan blew up four little Bla ck girls in a church on Birmingham Sunday. The next year he did a brief stint in a state mental hospital because of his mercurial temper. Because he told shrinks he thought he was destined for something important, they said he was crazy. But that kept him from being drafted in January '65, a m onth with the highest proportion of casualties in Viet Nam. He also became a lifelong critic of thorazine and prolyxin. He escaped, got a job in New York, saved his money, and legalized his status in late 1965. On Christmas Day, 1966, after studying epistemology and metaphysics, he tried LSD for the first time. His reaction: Kant was right, it's all phenomena. But after the first few times (including one session with a friendly psychologist who helped him plumb distressing episodes of his early childhood), he found that more and more of the acid had a speed base such as ritalin to gettwice as many hits out of a gram--thereby demonstrating the flaws of an underground market. People were no longer getting a genuine LSD effect. Reinforced by speed, the ego-structures wouldn't let go. Because of the furious controversy surrounding CIA sponsorship or involvement in psychedelics, speculation was rife that all this was deliberate--part of a program to keep the psychedelic revolution under control. When Dana got real LSD again, he had a vision: "I flashed that all of us in the psychedelic movement were like voluntary guinea pigs in some kind of CIA experiment that had gotten out of control. The White Light was flashing across us like searchlights on a World War I no-man's land. All around me, we were taking casualties. But some of us would make it to the other side; and someone would bring back something wonderful." He decided the first battle should be for the least threatening, most popular drug: marijuana. Inspired by a VOICE article on the Dutch Provos, he started the New York Provos with two friends, and called a smoke-in for Tompkins Square Park. The smoke-ins got bigger and bigger, and after a judge ruled a roll-your-own cigarette seen from a distance wasn't grounds for arrest, the Feds moved in an informer who wheedled Dana's personal acid stash out of him. When he was busted in late August of 1967, 3,000 people marched from a Fugs concert, across Fourteenth Street, to the federal holding pen on West Street. It was Dana's first fifteen minutes of fame. In October the Provos gave out four pounds of pot at the "Levitation of the Pentagon." Then in December, the Provo Free Store on First Street was raided, and Dana was charged with a pot sale he didn't do. Convinced he couldn't get fair treatment, he fl ed to Mexico, then Canada, where he had to watch Chicago '68 on television. One day, sitting in a Vancouver community center, he read an ESQUIRE article on the early psychedelic movement by Tim Leary and Allen Ginsburg. What stuck in his mind, for years, was a passage about using psychedelics to cure heroin addiction. (Of course, LSD doesn't stop withdrawal symptoms. If every junkie could kick with five dollars worth of acid, they'd do just that every time they wanted to cut back on their habits and start over. Ginsberg was thinking of it more as a substitute; he writes Leary that Burroughs said that it would only make withdrawals worse.) [See p. 37]. In April of '69, Dana filtered back into the United States on a Canadian ID, where he came to rest in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Unable to stay away from organizing for long, he became involved with the White Panthers, and , in a psychedelic manifesto (" Right on, Culture Freaks"), expanded on William Burrough's insight that all forms of social control resemble addiction because the same "backbrain" reflex component involved in addiction underlies everyday work