Re: [CTRL] David Icke is a Reptillian Insider

1999-08-08 Thread Jean Staffen

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I am reading The Biggest Secret right now, and can't put it down. I had come
to the same conclusions myself, but of course didn't have the research
abilities David demonstrates. From what I learned in 15 years of being up to
my neck in UFO research, running an abductee support group, and after 50+
years of personal experiences with these "critters", I find Icke to be more
on point that anyone else I've read. I pray for his safety.

Jean Staffen

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At 11:16 AM 8/8/99 -0700, Steve Wingate wrote:
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>
>On 7 Aug 99, at 23:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> I don't know how the rest of this group might feel
>> about David Icke, but personally, I believe that he
>> is one of the Reptillians Insiders himself...
>
>I don't think you understand much about what is really happening.
>
>Steve
>
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[CTRL] Fwd: Expert-Kennedy Plane had 2 Artificial Horizons; MORE

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan





8.8.99
Aviation Expert-Kennedy Plane Had TWO Artificial Horizons!


The following email received by NewsHawk indicates that aircraft like
the one Kennedy was piloting have TWO "artificial horizon" systems--a
electronic horizon which is the primary one, and a vacuum system as a backup.

The American people really MUST acknowledge at this point that claims
Kennedy's plane crashed due to the fact he was "disoriented" WILL NOT
HOLD WATER!

Statements to this effect made by government officials at many levels
and propounded by mass media ARE LIES!

How god-damn MUSH-BRAINED have we become???

John Quinn

= = = = = = = = = = = =
I worked on mainly commuter aircraft (Beechcraft 1900, otherwise known
as a "stretch King Air"), and I do know those aircraft were required to
have both a vacuum (air) operated artificial horizon & electronic
horizon. It's been about 7 years since I last touched a plane, but I
thought that the current FARs (Federal Aviation Regulations) in the
basic air-worthiness certificate required an artificial horizon to have
a primary and a backup. The 1900's had an electronic primary and vacuum
secondary artificial horizon.  The artificial horizon is basically a
gyroscope in a housing with a needle to indicate the horizon. Your
article is correct in that the losing artificial horizon argument is
bogus.
Mr. X


= = = = = = = = = = = =
Shoulder-launched Missile?
We also received a note yesterday from someone who says that for a few
days immediately after the Kennedy plane crash FOX-TV ran an interview
with a Martha's Vineyard resident who was outside walking her dog at the
time of the crash. She reported clearly hearing a noise she described as
being like a "knife through sailcloth".. only of course much louder.
Reprinted below is the email we received.
John Quinn

= = = = = = = = = = = =
On Sunday and-or Monday following the incident, FOX NEWS had an
interview they ran several times with a female resident that reported
when she was walking her dog at the time of the incident, she heard a
sound "like a knife cutting sail cloth" or something to that effect.

This ran several times during the first three or four days.  I don't
know of many things that make a sound like that other than a knife
through sail cloth or a hand held rocket.

"An Avid Follower"

= = = = = = = = = = = =
John Quinn/NewsHawk Inc.




[CTRL] Don't Blink!

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.copvcia.com/dontblink.htm
http://www.copvcia.com/dontblink.htm">Don
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Always good to visit this site. Cop versus CIA.
Om
K
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Don't Blink!



All Promises Broken - Volume II Hearings Held Without Notice - Behind
Closed Doors



You Might Miss What's Next



by



Michael C. Ruppert



Posted June 29, 1999 - © Copyright 1999 From The Wilderness, Michael C.
Ruppert. All Rights Reserved



On May 25, just four days after we published our last issue, under the
totally misleading heading of "CIA and Drugs in Los Angeles" the House
Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) held a closed door
hearing. It took us until June 22 to determine that the Committee heard
testimony that day from Department of Justice Inspector General Michael
Bromwich, who had not appeared before the Committee since the release of
his report last year. And it also heard from current CIA Inspector
General Britt Snider, who discussed Volume II of retired CIA IG Fred
Hitz's report on the whole Contra war - not Los Angeles. Los Angeles was
Volume I.



That's right - They have had the hearing on Volume II. They did it in
secret. The press did not cover it. And it remains unclear, at this
moment, as to whether HPSCI's final report will even be declassified or
made available to the public in any form at all. This is not only a
breach of every promise made to us in 1996 by both Houses; it is, in my
opinion, a complete breach of trust between the government and the
people.



In a June 22 conversation with HPSCI Deputy Staff Director, Tim Sample,
I was told that the Committee "would like to wrap this up this summer."
I was also told that the protocol for closing the investigation out had
not been finalized. It is "not known" whether there will be another
hearing. It is "not known" whether or if the Committee's final report
will be declassified or ever released. It is "not known" if any
additional witnesses will be called. I and retired DEA Agent Cele
Castillo and presumably the other major figures in the investigation
have all received letters asking us to submit whatever other evidence
"we are aware of" before the Committee closes its work.

This is a sign of true desperation as the Republican controlled
Committee must absolutely close the issue - to protect George W. Bush -
before the 2000 Presidential campaign begins in earnest in October. It
must also protect the biggest secret of all from the American people:
The entire economy, and the entire political system itself, is currently
hooked and dependent upon - drug money.



I have been saying for years that you could show a video of George Bush
ordering drug runs, CIA agents laundering money and flying airplanes
full of drugs and no one in power would do anything about it. They would
not be able to. In this issue I will tell you, and the House, about
something almost as damning - a partially authenticated letter, written
on CIA letterhead and stamped "Top Secret", ostensibly written and
signed by CIA Director William J. Casey in late 1986, that admits to
direct participation in the drug trade [SEE STORY THIS ISSUE]. I have
been aware of the existence of this letter for approximately five
months. I have had it read to me in its entirety. It was not until I was
given this last chance by HPSCI to present "all of the information of
which you are aware on the allegations" that I was able to obtain an "On
the Record" statement about the letter from Attorney Ray Kohlman. The
letter will be admitted into evidence in a new trial motion for former
Green Beret William Tyree in the near future. When that happens, From
The Wilderness will publish the letter, both on the Internet and in the
newsletter.



 Now that the House has indicated its intent to close the matter for
good and all it is time to bring the letter forward - for good and all.
I will also see to it that the letter is widely distributed enough so
that any of the major news organizations will be able to follow up on
it. The information in this issue is enough for the House Intelligence
Committee to go to the CIA and compel it to confirm or deny the letter's
authenticity.



Reading The Right Map



If nothing happens with further hearings, or with the letter, I will
tell you in advance exactly why.



Contributing Editor Catherine Austin Fitts, who was a Managing Director
at Dillon Read before becoming Assistant Secretary of Housing under
George Bush and who holds an MBA from Wharton makes things very simple.
She points out that the four largest states for the importation of drugs
are New York, Florida, Texas and California. She then points out that
the top four money laundering states in the U.S. (good for between 100
and 260 billion per year) are New York, Florida, Texas and California.
No surprise there. Then she rips the breath from your lungs by pointing
out that 80 per cent of all Presidential campaign funds come from - New
York, Florida, Texas and California.



Civics test: Who are 

[CTRL] Phoney News

1999-08-08 Thread Steve Wingate

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The CNN newsreader just reported on the plutonium exposure story. They
did not even mention the fact that the government did not disclose to the
workers that the were handling plutonium instead of uranium. They only
referred to a lawsuit by some of the former employees.

I guess this is to be expected to a 'news' network that is now owned by
Time, Inc.

Steve


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SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL

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Re: [CTRL] Great Secrets Of The 20th Century

1999-08-08 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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>  1912 - The British ship TITANIC sunk moreso from an internal explosion in
>the coal bunker than from hitting an iceberg. Those who produced the most
>recent version of the movie "Titanic", viewed, in a special submarine, the
>remains of the ship on the bottom of the Atlantic, off of Newfoundland.

Conspiracy Theory has it that it was not the real Titanic that went down.
The White Star Line in Belfast - embarrassingly behind schedule with the
Titanic apparently did a quick repaint job on her sister ship the Olympus
berthed in the same harbour. !!!
There is a couple of books on this and the subsequent cover up - eg. and
people still want to know what the ship was that shadowed the 'Titanic' etc
There is even a UFO researcher [Ron Halliday] that claims that the hull was
sliced open by an alien laser etc etc

Andrew Hennessey

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[CTRL] DON'T FORGET: Tonight 10PM ET DRUDGE RADIO

1999-08-08 Thread Bard



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 DRUDGE RADIO.url


Re: [CTRL] David Icke is a Reptillian Insider

1999-08-08 Thread Steve Wingate

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On 8 Aug 99, at 8:43, Tenorlove wrote:

> David Icke definitely lives up to his name

Maybe you're the one who is the Reptilian. Chamelian?

Steve

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Re: [CTRL] David Icke is a Reptillian Insider

1999-08-08 Thread Steve Wingate

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On 7 Aug 99, at 23:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I don't know how the rest of this group might feel
> about David Icke, but personally, I believe that he
> is one of the Reptillians Insiders himself...

I don't think you understand much about what is really happening.

Steve

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[CTRL] [3] BETRAYAL

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
BETRAYAL - Our Occupation of Germany
Arthur D. Rahn
Former Chief Editor of Intelligence Office of the Director of Information
Control
Office of Military Government, Germany
Book & Knowledge
Warsaw, Poland
pps. 237  (no date) out-of-print
-
--Now it was discovered that the whole department was corrupt. The police
president, the Rundschau reported, had been giving preference in hiring to
former regular army soldiers and officers — called "the 12 year men" after
the length of their enlistment period. Under Nazi law these men had not been
allowed to join the Nazi Party and were, therefore, not excluded from the
police force by the denazification laws. They were, however, the most
fanatical Nazis and the most militaristic of all Germans.
That was the introduction. In February, 1946, it was discovered that an
efficiently organized group of Nazis in the police department had formed
their own so-called Justice Bureau and were holding special investigations
and forewarning and protecting local Nazis.--

---" NOT until I sat down to write this book and reflected on my experience
and organized my notes did I realize that what had seemed to me and my
friends in Germany to be a chaos of corruption and incompetence had actually
been a planned development following a very definite pattern. In fact, it has
become increasingly clear that the pattern of events in Germany from 1944 to
mid-1947 mirrored in sharp perspective what was happening at home in America.
Developments in Germany, too, have paralleled our actions in the United
Nations and our relations with the Soviet Union, Greece, Spain, China,
Britain, Israel — with the entire world."---

Om
K
--[3]--

CHAPTER THREE

Crew Cuts And White Collars

"The issue of this war is the basic issue between those who believe in
mankind and those who do not — the ancient issue between those who put their
faith in the people and those who put their faith in dictators and tyrants.
There have always been those who did not believe in the people, who attempted
to block their forward movement across history, to force them back to
servility and suffering and silence."
--From report to Congress, January 7, 1943.


"WHO can object to the appointment of a 'conservative?' Conservatives are
reliable and experienced. Their large incomes .and good positions evidence
their capability. Even the word 'conservative' implies restraint, dignity and
stability; in such, contrast to 'radical' or 'red', which immediately suggest
hysteria, troublemaking and impatience. You're safer with a conservative."

Had the combat men been informed of this rationalizing double-talk, they
would have been infuriated. "As though the men who had an easy life making
money during the war can be relied on to demilitarize Germany or rebuild this
country into a peaceful nation," they would have exclaimed in disgust,
remembering what they had learned from their orientation lectures, the army
movies, the Stars and Stripes and Yank, the Army magazine. "Who can expect a
German who has been screaming at his subordinates all his life and grumbling
about the 'stupid masses' to lead others to democracy? And what kind of
denazification do you guys expect from a German whose best pals are Nazis,
who had a good position under Hitler and liked a lot of what the Fuehrer was
doing? Expect such a character to organize a popular anti-Nazi movement? And
what do you think this yes-man with his good clothes, and his 'jawohl, Herr
Captain' says about us when he talks to his cronies?' Do you think he likes
seeing us here? Why, this guy learned to sing Deutschland Ueber Alles when
kids the same age in America were singing Ring Around the Rosie."

Well, was the anti-Nazi orientation to be discarded when the, war was over?
Or had we really meant what we were saying?' It was hard to tell. Just a
month after VE day, right in Frankfurt, the HQ city of the US Army of
Occupation and the seat of Military Government (until MG moved to Berlin at
the end od[sic] 1945) and the town best known to GIs throughout the Zone —
almost as though it was done purposely to show that the starry talk of the
war was over and "reality" had returned again — MG appointed a mayor who had
been a Wehrmacht major, an expediter in a large munitions plant that had been
turning out war materials for use against GIs all during the war, and a Nazi
theoretician advocating, among other Hitler doctrines, the use of Fuehrer
dictatorship as the best way of running a city government.

MG was enthustiastic about their official, too. "Blaum is a good man, he's
efficient, he's had organizational and administrative experience, he'll get
things moving, he's the man we want," they said. Blaum, however, something of
a prima donna, did not want to accept the position — too much responsibility,
too much danger of making enemies and too little opportunity for the future
since he might be voted out of office. after a year. But MG was determined.
They promised hi

[CTRL] [6] The Treason of the Senate

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
The Treason of the Senate
David Graham Phillips
academic reprints
p.o. box 3003
Stanford, California
Cosmopolitian Magazine
Vol. XL - March, 1906 - No.5
--[6]--

CHAPTER VI

Confusing the People

THESE articles have been attacked, but their facts—the facts of the treason
of the Senate, taken from the records—have not been attacked. Abuse is not
refutation; it is confession. New to this democratic republic, and more than
suspicious, is the doctrine that the people must not be shown the public
records of their public servants; that the people may not learn how the
"merged" senators, with Joe Cannon's "merged" House concurring, license and
protect the "high financiers" in piling up vast fortunes for the few and in
multiplying for the many the difficulties of getting a livelihood and a
competence; that the people must not be told how the Senate has never moved
to use its ample Constitutional powers to protect the people until public
anger compelled; how it has then merely passed some deliberately ineffective
measure, like the Cullom interstate commerce act of 1887; and how, by killing
reciprocity treaties and by injecting robber schedules into tariff laws, it
has penned the people in from even such slight relief as might have come from
abroad.

A great deal is said by apologists for treason about there being nothing
"constructive" in exposing public corruption.

If trying to bring it about that only men of character can get public honors,
if trying to make it impossible for tricksters and traitors to live in our
public life—if these objects are not "constructive," then what does the word
mean? Are only lying speech and perfidious act "constructive"? The exposed
cry out that these exposures endanger the Republic. What a ludicrous
inversion—the burglar shouting that the house is falling because he is being
ejected from it! The Republic is not in danger; it is its enemies that are in
danger. The treason of the Senate is a disease to be cured; but it is a
disease of the skin, not of the bones.

We have noted the "merger" of the two national political machines, and have
watched it in operation, its Republicans and its Democrats playing into one
another's hands. We have examined the records of its leaders. We have seen
that they, the avowed chief men of the two political parties, the chosen
arrangers of campaigns and legislative programmes, are of, by, and for "the
interests." We have seen, beneath the dust of senatorial debates, measures in
the popular interest maimed or assassinated, so-called Democrats cooperating
with so-called Republicans, each crowd of the sham battlers wearing an angry
front toward the other-to fool and confuse the people.

The fact that these leaders are obeyed are followed, is in itself proof of
the character of the followers. But there are those who would say: "True such
men as Aldrich, Spooner, and Bailey ought not to be in command. But their
followers are honest, are honestly deceived." But to say that men of enough
ability to get anywhere at all are so foolish that they do not understand the
politico-financial game, though playing it daily for years, is to draw too
heavily upon credulity; and to excuse them is to stretch the mantle of
charity diaphanously thin. However, let us go on until the deplorable but
necessary truth about the overwhelming majority of the senators is
established beyond even groundless and shadowy objection.

Spooner and Bailey are, as we have seen, the first lieutenants of the
"merger." There is a group of senatorial leaders who may be fittingly called
second lieutenants—big figures in the public eye, influential in the Senate,
that is, in the "merger," dangerous to the people because they are adroit,
specious, reputed "eminently respectable." From this group let us select two
for the present article-Elkins and Knox.

Elkins and What He Stands For

First—Stephen B. Elkins of West Virginia.

We have seen that the "merger" does the main part of the work for "the
interests" and against the people in the secure secrecy of Senate committees.
Aldrich has Elkins on several important committees-rules, commerce,
appropriations, etc. He has intrusted to him the chairmanship of the
interstate commerce committee. Thus Elkins, under the Senate rules and
"senatorial courtesy," is practically master of the committee which, with the
exception of Aldrich's own finance committee, is the most important to the
gang that finances both party machines and promotes the fortunes of senators
and other high politicians in exchange for license and protection. For to
this committee-to Elkins-are referred all proposals to enable the people to
regulate their twenty thousand millions of annual interstate commerce, to
secure a just distribution of prosperity. And only such measures as Chairman
Elkins approves, or as Aldrich and he decide can or must be "taken care of"
in the open Senate, ever see again the light of day.

Who and what is the man Aldrich has intr

[CTRL] WND Poll

1999-08-08 Thread Bard

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National Survey for Sunday, August 8, 1999
1.  While the government is trying to eliminate racial disparities in health
by 2010, medical experts are baffled that black women in the U.S. were
nearly four times as likely to die during delivery as white women. What
approach should be taken to alleviate this problem?
 The government should divert funding from other areas to fund research
in this area.
 The government should raise a special tax to fund research in this
area.
 The government should get out of the health care business, and let
private industry handle this issue.
 I have no opinion at this time.
http://www.becounted.com/



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the territory enclosed by its borders."
-- Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo

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Bard

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Federal Government defined:
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[CTRL] FW: [RightPath] Hillary's Parrot

1999-08-08 Thread Bard

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"For we battle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
spiritual wickedness in high places." Eph. 6:12

"Were I a nightingale, I would sing like a nightingale;
were I a swan, like a swan.
But as it is, I am a rational being,
therefore I must sing hymns of praise to God."
-- Epictetus, A.D. 55-135

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you.
This is the principle difference between a dog and a man."
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Bard


-Original Message-
From: Josie Franklin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 1999 8:14 AM
To: Carol Wallace Franklin; Right Path
Subject: [RightPath] Hillary's Parrot


From: Josie Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Hillary Clinton went into a pet shop and found a
beautiful, colorful parrot. "Does this parrot talk?"
she asked. "Yes, he does," the manager told her.
"But why is this one only $50 and all the others
are $500?" she asked. "Well, ma'am," the manager
told her, "not everyone would want to own this
parrot. He spent many years in a whorehouse and
his language is terrible." "Well, I want him," she
said. "Suit yourself," the manager shrugged.
 When she got the parrot back to the White House,
she uncovered his cage and admired the colorful
bird. The parrot tilted his head to one side,
looked her straight in the eye and said, "New
house, new madam. "Hillary laughed. Soon Chelsea
and a friend came in and began admiring the bird.
"New house, new whores," the parrot observed. At
first they were offended, but when Hillary explained
about the bird's history, they too, laughed at him.
 A few minutes later the President entered
the living quarters. The parrot looked up from
his feeder and said "Hi Bill".


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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #2

1999-08-08 Thread ric carter

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_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Dentist's New Tie Line Is Infectious. LOS ANGELES (Reuters) Nice tie, man.
  Is that pattern Gonorrhea? Malaria? Black Plague? Herpes? An Encino Calif.
  company, Infectious Awareables, has introduced a line of silk and cotton
  garments featuring the patterns as seen under a microscope of more than 15
  different infectious diseases and bacteria. They come in bright colors.
  And so will you: http://news.excite.com/news/r/990806/14/odd-life-ties

: What disease would you most like to wear? Should the fibres be embedded
with cures? Is disease a fashion statement? D'ya want a bacterial tattoo?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Romanian eclipse: Pavarotti, Dracula and scientists. (AP) When the moon
  glides across the sun, church bells will toll in rural Romania, thanks to
  peasants atoning for their sins. They'll also be watching out for rivers
  running with blood. But in the cities, Luciano Pavoratti will sing, and
  scientists and tourists will be ready to view the celestial event longer
  than anywhere else in the world. For the less scientific minded, a fashion
  designer has brought out an "Eclipse" collection of clothing in gold, for
  the sun, and white, for the moon. The traditional peasant explanation for
  the eclipse has it that a wild animal eats the sun to punish men for their
  sins. Peasants ring church bells to appease evil spirits. And in Romania,
  you can never forget Dracula. To help conjure a spooky eclipse mood, TV
  stations already have started airing films about the vamp king, inspired
  by the bloodthirsty native prince Vlad the Impaler. One woman, according
  to local media, called off her wedding, which her fiance had thoughtlessly
  scheduled for Wednesday. It would have been a bad omen. And the werewolves
  are loose: http://upway.com/cgi-bin/readnews?day=99_08_7&item=#934070006

: Would you rather ring bells, listen to Pavoratti, or be eaten by vampires?
What's your favorite eclipse fashion statement? Do you appease evil spirits?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Workers To Get Solar Eclipse Break. MUNICH (Reuters) German car maker BMW
  AG will stop production at its plants in Munich and Regensburg for half an
  hour on August 11 so their 19,000 workers can observe the solar eclipse.
  They'll all go blind: http://news.excite.com/news/r/990806/14/odd-eclipse

: Does your employer pay for eclipse breaks? Will the Mitsubishi ECLIPSE car
do anything strange on 11 Aug 99? Will you? Are you eclipse-crazed yet? How?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Eclipse Pilgrims Get Early Start On UK Roads. LONDON (Reuters) Thousands
  of solar eclipse pilgrims poured into Britain's southwest Saturday as they
  sought to stake out prime observation areas four days ahead of the rare
  cosmic event. Buoyed by weather reports that promise a near-perfect day
  Wednesday some 25,000 travelers headed for the counties of Devon and Corn-
  wall, where the moon will completely eclipse the sun. ET harvesters await
  eagerly: http://news.excite.com/news/r/990808/01/science-eclipse-britain

: Have you staked out an eclipse-viewing position yet? Did you pay for it?
Would you rent it out for a profit? Can you make much money with eclipses?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Preacher Delivers Message Of Doom And Armageddon - He Talks With God And
  End Is Near. GALLUP, N.M. (AP) - Under the din of high-wattage lights and
  against the background of electric gospel music, David Terrell waves his
  hands wildly as his face turns red. "We are about to go into the most
  horrible time since man has been created on this earth," he yells. Jesus
  appeared to him and told him the world will end soon. "God's judgment is
  fixin' to come quick. We are now facing the end of the end. God told me
  we're gonna have a war with China. God told me over 100 million people in
  America is going to be dead carcasses," bellowed Terrell at a 350-person
  audience, most of them American Indians. The Birmingham, Ala., native said
  the U.S. has become a "baby-killing, pervert, homosexual, lesbian, dope-
  pushing, drunk nation," and "God is going to punish us." Then his implant
  misfired. http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,110002012,00.html?

: Should Native Americans or anyone else believe anything a preacher says?
Do you preach? Does anyone believe you? Have you prophesied The End? Were
you right? Does your face turn red? Do you talk with God? Which one? If the
US and China don't go to war and Terrell is proved wrong, should he be torn
to pieces and fed to the coyotes? Do your gods lie to you? Should they? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ The End/New Beginning. The End of the World is NOT Near! Balanced Biblical
  teaching does 

Re: [CTRL] re-post/Bill and Hill-Marxists

1999-08-08 Thread K

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On 8 Aug 99, at 11:41, Gavin Phillips wrote:


> This next section is one which cannot be overlooked and
> must be exposed. Let me use the words of former
> Congressman William E. Dannemeyer who wrote to
> "leaders" of both the Senate and House of the U.S.
> Congress. In his letter, he starkly pointed their befuddled
> minds to the number of people who have died under
> other than natural causes who hold a connection with Bill
> Clinton and stated that "the number has reached a total
> that can only be described as frightening." Below is that
> list of dead human beings. This is not a conspiracy.
> These people are dead and their relationship to Clinton is
> well documented. Wake Up America.


The foul stench emanating from the current occupants of the White
House is so overpowering that it has become difficult to nose out the
more delicate scent of decaying corpses.
Kathleen


I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do as
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Re: [CTRL] Metaphysics of the Eclipse

1999-08-08 Thread Tenorlove

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I hate to be a party pooper, but I have experienced 2 total solar
eclipses, & all I felt was thirsty for a soda.
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Re: [CTRL] David Icke is a Reptillian Insider

1999-08-08 Thread Tenorlove

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David Icke definitely lives up to his name
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[CTRL] re-post/Bill and Hill-Marxists

1999-08-08 Thread Gavin Phillips

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Source. www.devvy.com/death_list.html#SOFC


Millions of words have been written about these two
people. Bill Clinton didn't acquire the nickname "Slick"
from all his years in politics down in Arkansas without
good reason. Bill and Hill's political regime has always
been referred to as the "Dixie Mafia" for the incredibly
bold fashion in which these two routinely break the law.
No? Oh, please, open your eyes and look at the facts.
Below in the reference section are materials that you can
acquire which document their crimes from day one. Not
gossip, not spin, not conspiracy, but facts. Doesn't it
bother the American people when they hear this "the
White House is putting the best spin on it" stuff? Doesn't
the American public see what "spin" translates into? It
means taking lies, massaging them into something
resembling a smidgen of truth and then force feeding it
down people's throats. How insulting.

When I say that Bill and Hill are Marxists, that's exactly
what I mean. Bill Clinton is the President of the United
States of America. He is privy to the highest and most
classified secrets of our nation dealing with national
security. Do you know he cannot and does not have any
kind of security clearance? That's right. Why? Because
of his past dealings with the Ruskies, the KGB and his
cocaine use. Heavens! This should bother the heck out
of every thinking American out there. Apparently it
doesn't because we continue to hear the chant of the
brain-dead: "I don't care who he has sex with in his
private life," "It's not our business who he sleeps with, if
it doesn't bother Hillary, it doesn't bother me."

What sniveling bubble heads these sheep are in their myopic
world of blind loyalty to any politician who will grease
their palms with the most government perks from my
checkbook. Let's look at Mr. Clinton's own words to
judge what his political ideology really is:
The following is an excerpt from Des Griffin, a gifted
writer and prolific researcher of facts [March, 1998]:

"In the final analysis, the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal is a
sideshow - a relatively minor distraction. Its salacious
nature serves to draw away from more important issues,
namely those that effect the future of the U.S. For well
over three decades, the life of William Jefferson (Blythe)
Clinton has followed an unrelenting pattern of personal
deception, immorality, political corruption and national
betrayalLeaving the U.S. to avoid serving his country
in Vietnam, went to England on a Rhodes Scholarship.
As a student at Oxford, Clinton organized and led
anti-American demonstrations and engaged in other
leftist activities. In 1970, Bill Clinton was rewarded for
his anti-American activities: he was the guest of the KGB
on an all-expenses paid trip from Paris to Moscow.
The October 25, 1992 issue of Rudge Pravda, the
official paper of the Czechoslovakian Communist Party,
carried an article titled, "Mr. Clinton Stayed with Agent
of STB, Select Company." It revealed that on his return
journey from Moscow, Clinton stopped off for ten days
in Prague. There he stayed in the home of Marie
Svermore and her husband Bedrich Kubold." For the
sake of brevity, this family is well plugged into the
Communist Party and their son, Jan, attended Oxford
with Clinton.
"Another interesting trip made by Bill Clinton was
exposed by the Italian paper, Il Sabato, August 1992 in
an article titled 'Comrade Bill,' where reporter Antonio
Socci told of an interview he had with Clinton at the
Democratic convention in NY a few weeks earlier.
Clinton revealed that he had gone to Italy five years
earlier to study how to solve economic problems. "I
came five years ago to find out how the cooperatives,
the artisan cooperatives, and the micro enterprises
function. Then I went back to Arkansas and helped to
put together 70 youth cooperatives."
Socci was fascinated. "Don't tell me this communist
cooperative is your economic prescription for America?"
"Absolutely," Clinton replied. Upon his return to Italy,
Socci interviewed members of the Italian Communist
Party and they confirmed that Clinton had in fact visited
their cooperatives in 1987. One remembered the visit
well, saying that he told Clinton the cooperatives were
run by communists and socialists. Clinton's response
was, "No problem."

No? This can't be real? This must be more anti-Clinton,
vast right-wing conspiracy smear material! Wake Up.
There is a book you must read, it's short but to the point
and one of the most documented and factual
presentations I have ever seen. In this work titled
SECRET, you will see the FBI documents that link Bill
and Hillary Clinton to a Marxist Terrorist network [the
FBI's description, not mine]. They gave money to the
IPS [Institute for Policy Studies] and have been very
active in promoting their agenda: Marxism. No? Do your
homework. SECRET is listed in the reference section.
You'll be amazed at how many of their current chums
and White House staff came from this Marxist

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #1

1999-08-08 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 990808a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No meditative cults survived the production of this bulletin. Bother...
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# Beijing says cult wiped out. (BBC) The Chinese Gov't says it has virtually
  stamped out support for the Falun Gong religious sect in the capital. Yow.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_414000/414668.stm

@ Links: Falusanet - US site: http://www.falunusa.net/
@ Falun Gong (Falun Dafa): http://www.falundafa.org/
@ Intro to Falun Gong: http://www.mindspring.com/~falun/home1.html
@ Official state news agency Xinhua: http://202.84.17.11/en/index.htm

: When will Falun Gong take over China? When will Communism disappear? Is a
sect stamped out only when its members are all executed/repressed/converted?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Crop Circle Report From UK - Daily Mail Hoax Angers Many. The expedition
  team from Beyond Boundaries is currently networking with researchers from
  many parts of the world who are now together in Alton Barnes Wiltshire UK.
  The debate goes on whether manmade or real - The London Daily Mail hired
  known hoaxers & authentic artists to make a recent formation near Avebury,
  then at first light of morning set up the one pound coin donation box, by
  the fence, charged the Japanese TV film crew 50 pounds for filming rights,
  and began interviewing people coming in to view the formation. Ridiculed
  each named individual: http://www.sightings.com/ufo4/cropreport.htm

: What's the best way to make money from crop circles? Have you published
any material about crop circles? Have you been paid? D'ya have advertisers?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Scientists hid BSE jab threat. (BBC) Children were given vaccinations in
  the late 1980s despite risks of being infected with the BSE virus. Experts
  deliberately played down the dangers fearing a far greater health risk if
  parents stopped their children having vital measles, whooping cough jabs.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_414000/414781.stm

@ Links: The BSE Enquiry: http://www.bse.org.uk/
# Also: Prion diseases: A brief history:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_355000/355601.stm

: Were you or your kids accidentally injected with BSE/CJD? Has it affected
you? Does your alien implant protect you from prions, virii, bacteria, me?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Pacific Ocean Split - Cold In The East, HOT In The West -- (NASA/JPL)
  http://www.jpl.nasa.gov  The North Pacific Ocean continues to run hot and
  cold, with abnormally low sea levels & cool waters in the NE Pacific con-
  trasting with unusually high sea levels & warm waters in the NW Pacific.
  Present conditions will be slow to change and will influence climate over
  North America into the fall. "The north Pacific, which drives US climate,
  is still extremely out of balance, with warm waters in the west and cool
  waters in the east. When we see these large contrasts in the ocean, the
  weather delivery system - the jet stream coming out of the north Pacific -
  will do very unusual things. Like the stock market, we have a very vola-
  tile situation brought on by the persistence of these ocean imbalances."
  Ocean dizzified: http://www.sightings.com/earthchanges/oceansplit.htm

: Who is waging climatological warfare against the US? How do they control
climate patterns? How can/will/should the US retaliate? With what results?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiLinks:

@ Remembering John F. Kennedy: http://cnn.com/kennedy
# JFK's Plane Crash - Propaganda Versus The Facts:
  http://www.sightings.com/politics4/prop.htm
# All JFK Jr Air Crash Stories:
  http://www.sightings.com/politics4/jfkjrdat.html
# CAMELOT KILLINGS - The Murder of JFK Jr. and the Sisters Bissette:
  aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:542844

@ The Virtual Mummy. Link repaired:
  www.uke.uni-hamburg.de/institute/imdm/idv/forschung/mumie/index.en.html
@ Church/SubGenius - BRAIN TOOLKIT & SURREALITY REBOOT http://subgenius.com/
@ UFO postings: http://www.ufodigest.com/cgi-bin/ultraboard/UltraBoard.pl
@ UFO Digest Chat Room: http://www.ufodigest.com/cgi-bin/chat/chat.cgi
@ aliens FAQ: ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/ufos-and-aliens
@ Various credulous crap about Roswell: http://accpc.com/roswell00.htm#a0

# RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE AGAINST DAGESTAN ISLAMIC MILITANTS:
  http://cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9908/07/russia.unrest.03/index.html
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_414000/414685.stm
# SADDAM LASHES OUT AT IRAN ON ANNIVERSARY OF WAR END:
  http://cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9908/08/iraq.01.reut/index.html
# PALESTINIANS ARREST SENIOR HAMAS OFFICIALS IN GAZA:
  http://cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9908/08/hamas.arrest.01.reut/index.html

@ More bitter kooks than you can shake a stick at!
  http://www.watchingyou.com/hatemail.html
@ GEMINIS RULE!

Re: [CTRL] Looking behind the Bushes

1999-08-08 Thread TenebrousT

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In a message dated 8/7/99 11:27:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

> 1942
>
>  Three firms with which Prescott Bush is associated are seized under the
>  Trading with the Enemy Act.
>

Is it so, or just a myth, that Bush was targeted by President Roosevelt and
that he was attempting to "get him" during the war?  I have heard this story,
and that after his death the whole matter was hushed up.  Anybody have info.
on this?

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Re: [CTRL] HAARP and Mind Control

1999-08-08 Thread TenebrousT

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In a message dated 8/7/99 9:02:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Related research by Begich and Manning uncovered bizarre schemes. For
>  example, Air Force documents revealed that a system had been developed for
>  manipulating and disturbing human mental processes through pulsed
>  radio-frequency radiation (the stuff of HAARP) over large geo-graphical
>  areas.
>

It is interesting that people don't focus on this area very much, especially
in light of the FACT that AFOSI (the Air Force Office of Special
Investigations) officers actually did use technological means to drive a
person crazy.  I can't remember the mans name at the moment but they did beam
"messages" to him while he was monitoring AF bases in the Southwest US.
Admittedly he may have been unstable and they only added to it, but this is a
clear example of such technology being used in the real world.
Is it any wonder we are paranoid of the MIC?  Consider also the incident in
England outside a base there, where women protesters were sickened, the
cause?  A transmission from the base of some kind which ceased after
inquiries.

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Re: [CTRL] Kennedy Clan - Scottish Roots

1999-08-08 Thread Donal

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Cathy Laughlan wrote:

 The Kennedy name
> also arose in Ireland (notably the ancestors of President John F
> Kennedy)
> and many Irish Kennedys emigrated to Scotland.

The irish Kennedys are a completely seperate clan, being an offshoot of
the O'Briens, being mostly centred in the provence of Munster. The
presidential family is of this stock.


Donal

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Re: [CTRL] net censorship attempts AND reefer madness scares mean victory!

1999-08-08 Thread K
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Someone wrote:
>
> About a dozen senators have signed on to support the Methamphetamine
> Anti-Proliferation Act, but its primary leaders are Dianne Feinstein, a
> California Democrat and longtime Internet regulatory enthusiast, and
> Orrin Hatch, the arch-conservative Utah Republican who chairs the Senate
> Judiciary committee.
>
> If the measure becomes law, it will create a new federal felony --
> punishable by a fine and three years in prison -- that covers Web pages
> that link to sites with information about where to buy "drug
> paraphernalia" such as roach clips, bowls, and bongs.

snip


> Groups fighting for drug legalization are also upset about a second
> portion of the Hatch-Feinstein bill. It creates another felony,
> punishable by up to 10 years in the federal pen, banning distribution
> "by any means" of information about "the manufacture or use of a
> controlled substance" if the recipient might use it to get high.

If this bill becomes law, I can't see it surviving for long once it reaches the
Supreme Court.  Why the meatheads in Washington keep passing laws that are obviously unconstitutional is beyond my comprehension.
>
> "It is yet another illustration of politicians trying to escalate a war
> they can't win," says David Boaz, vice president of the libertarian Cato
> Institute. "The dirty little secret that maybe nobody has told Dianne
> Feinstein is that it's not very hard to grow marijuana."

I am more concerned about reports our keepers have developed a fungus that will attack and kill hemp plants worldwide.  That would violate the rights of countries where hemp is a legal crop.  I also wonder about the consequences of deliberately eliminating an entire species of plant.  If the keepers succeed, will they then begin to develop agents to destroy our food crops in order to better control the underlings?

Kathleen


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Re: [CTRL] Vatican P2 and Illuminati question

1999-08-08 Thread Eagle 1



David P. Yallop  wrote a book that is 
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Name".
For more information on the P2/Vatican/Mason 
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- Original Message - 
From: Kris Millegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 1999 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Vatican P2 and Illuminati 
question

> -> Re: Vatican P2 and 
Illuminati> question> -> Subject: Re: Vatican 
P2 and Illuminati question> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kansan1225)> 
Date: Sat, 07 August 1999 10:49 PM EDT> > 
  Larry lpcheng wrote:> > >Is P2 
part of the Vatican?> >   No.> 
> > >Does P2 control the Vatican?> > 
  They try to.> > > >Or 
does the Illuminati control P2 and/or the Vatican?> > 
  The Illuminati, a.k.a. Luciferian Masons, control 
P2.  They also try to> control the Vatican.  Their task is 
easier these days, since the present Pope,> John Paul II, is a 
crypto-Mason.> > > >What is P2 and its history?> 
>> >   P2 is an Italian Masonic 
Lodge with membership composed of the most> powerful Italian politicians, 
businessmen, etc.  They became involved in> financial scandals and 
became exposed around 1980.  Some of the members wound> up dead or 
in jail.  They were also involved in the mysterious death of the> 
short-lived Pope John Paul I in 1978.  The intent there was to replace 
John> Paul I with CIA-asset Karol Wojtyla, the later John Paul II, a 
crypto-Mason.> >   Officially the P2 
Lodge has disbanded since about 1981.  Unofficially,> Luciferian 
Masonry is still in control of Italian politics and business life.> 
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Re: [CTRL] Small town police w/ military tanks

1999-08-08 Thread Bill

 -Caveat Lector-

> IF I am reading this (included) amendment correctly, if any foreign troops end up on
> our soil as an occupying force our national debt is
> canceled, for it will have been and truly be in aid of
> insurrection and rebellion against the United States, as
> opposed to the citizens militia...our conspiracy theories are becoming conspiracy 
>history and it will be easy to show in any court that we have been carefully and 
>willfully subverted by people who wish to overthrow the United States...AND WE AREN'T 
>PAYING FOR ITHAH:
>
> > > Amendment XIV
> > > Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9,
> > > 1868.
> > > Section 4.
> > > The validity of the public debt of the United
> > > States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for
> > > payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing
> > > insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But
> > > neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay
> > > any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or
> > > rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the
> > > loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts,
> > > obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
>

Dave wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Hey all...
>
> I have just heard that my town's police department has just acquired a
> military TANK.
> Painted U.N. blue !
>
> This is a town of less than 250,000 with no inner city or civil unrest -
> yet looks like they're gearing up for repealing or otherwise trampling:
>
> United States Constitution Amendment 2
>
> § 1   ¶ 1  A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of
> a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
> infringed.
>  1 ]  Passed by Congress September 25, 1789
>  2 ]  Ratified December 15, 1791
>
> Dave Hartley
> http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
> http://www.ioa.com/~davehart
>
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[CTRL] Fwd: Re: SNET: From the Hells Fire Club to the Bohemian Club?

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan






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Well this story got away before I could proof and finish it; I guess I
will have to cut my long fingernails back, as I cannot type with
them

This story was to show that this BohemianClub is a Hells Fire Club, and
I think they did steal the heart of Paul Whitehead, and put it in their
san Francisco hauntremember, the Hells Fire Club were the demoniacs
living in the tomb.cloaked in mystery and secrecy and the alleged
satanism, was just a cover to keep away snoops.

This was a Mafia - a real Mafia who used the Italian Rituals, which
Dashwood preferred..in their picture whichI have which is over 200
years old.Dashwood, Lord Sandwich, Paul Whitehead, Lord Galway, are
in a Cellar or the tombs, drinking a hogshead of wine which they vowed
to drink and wouldnot leave until they did.they are forming the
popular "pyramid stance"and this is the symbolism of the
Illuminati.Hogarth as a engraver was also Sg. Painter to King
George.above the members one sees the light from a Rosicrucian Lamp
- the symbol of secrecy.

Sorry for all the typos.it got away from me - this keyboard is not
like an IBM.

Colleen

Anyway, Bush and Powell..we know what you areHells Fire
Cluband do you now the name of the bomb, that those NATO boys used
in Serbia were named Hells Fire - and one of course, Warthog?

So much for originality.


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[CTRL] Fwd: Seeking the Truth of JFK Jr.'s Death

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan





Our Group: Seeking the Truth of JFK Jr.'s Death
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 17:51:14 -0400
From: John DiNardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Welcome, friends, to the group that we have formed for the purpose of
finding the truth surrounding the death of John F. Kennedy Jr. I know
that, as we go along, our skills will develop and our efforts will be
fruitful. What we need first is a library to display all the information
that each of us finds -- a public library that can also be our meeting
place, where each of us can present our  analyses and commentaries.  I
have a web site that has laid dormant for over a year.  This web site,
currently "The Bill of Rights Institute", can become the JFK Jr.
research and reporting center. It's URL is www.bori.org. The page that
is there now can be set back behind future pages which you may present.
This, to me, is a fascinating concept, whereby many persons contribute
information individually to a web site which is the home for all of them
in their common cause.  In a few days, when he returns from a trip, I'll
be contacting a person who will probably agree to be our webmaster. You
can send him your evidentiary information, analyses, and commentaries
for presentation to the world. Our group of contributors will probably
grow, and our information bank could become a valuable public resource.
And, together, we might take an active role in delivering our
information to the public, as well as passively displaying it on our web site.

I'll let you know as soon as the web site is ready for you to post to
it.  Thanks for getting together.

John DiNardo
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Re: [CTRL] net censorship attempts AND reefer madness scares mean victory!

1999-08-08 Thread K

 -Caveat Lector-

>
> About a dozen senators have signed on to support the
Methamphetamine
> Anti-Proliferation Act, but its primary leaders are Dianne
Feinstein, a
> California Democrat and longtime Internet regulatory enthusiast,
and
> Orrin Hatch, the arch-conservative Utah Republican who chairs
the Senate
> Judiciary committee.
>
> If the measure becomes law, it will create a new federal felony --
> punishable by a fine and three years in prison -- that covers Web
pages
> that link to sites with information about where to buy "drug
> paraphernalia" such as roach clips, bowls, and bongs.
>
snip


> Groups fighting for drug legalization are also upset about a
second
> portion of the Hatch-Feinstein bill. It creates another felony,
> punishable by up to 10 years in the federal pen, banning
distribution
> "by any means" of information about "the manufacture or use of a
> controlled substance" if the recipient might use it to get high.

If this bill becomes law, I can't see it surviving for long once it
reaches the
Supreme Court.  Why the meatheads in Washington keep passing
laws that are obviously unconstitutional is beyond my
comprehension.
>
> "It is yet another illustration of politicians trying to escalate a war
> they can't win," says David Boaz, vice president of the libertarian
Cato
> Institute. "The dirty little secret that maybe nobody has told
Dianne
> Feinstein is that it's not very hard to grow marijuana."

I am more concerned about reports our keepers have developed a
fungus that will attack and kill hemp plants worldwide.  That would
violate the rights of countries where hemp is a legal crop.  I also
wonder about the consequences of deliberately eliminating an
entire species of plant.  If the keepers succeed, will they then
begin to develop agents to destroy our food crops in order to better
control the underlings?


Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.


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[CTRL] Fwd: Lined up for final approach-JFK Jr

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan





8.7.99
Kennedy Lined Up for Final Approach
In our previous bulletins on the UPI article "Hopes fade for missing
Kennedy plane" we focused primarily on the TIMING of the contact as
indicative of Kennedy having been in a fully coherent state--aware of
his position, location, distance from land and the like. No the
slightest hint of problems of any kind were indicated in this detailed
communication. Also noted by Kennedy were his plans to fly on to Hyannis
later that evening.

There is additional significant information conveyed in this UPI report.
Pilots flying as Kennedy was almost always make such a radio contact
when they have made VISUAL CONTACT with the airport. This in fact is
exactly what Kennedy SAID to the flight controller at Martha's Vineyard
airport. According to WCVB-TV Boston, as further reported by UPI:
"…At 9:39 p.m. Friday, Kennedy radioed the airport and said he was 13
miles from the airport and 10 miles from the coast, according to
WCVB-TV news in Boston. He reportedly said he was making his final approach."
 
OK. He SAID where he was because he SAW where he was! Got it? FORGET
about this mysterious and fictional vision-obliterating "haze". HE SAW
WHERE HE WAS!

There was NO disorientation.

According to standard practices he would in fact have been almost
completely ALIGNED with the airport runway ALREADY. No further
substantial maneuvering or changes of direction would have been
necessary at this point. 

So there he his, heading right in with the coast in sight and the
airport in sight. The guy is due to land IN MINUTES. In light of this,
WHAT, by any stretch of the imagination, could have occurred in the few
seconds between the completion of the call and the plane's headlong
descent to have called into play the endlessly-repeated yarn about pilot
error (due to that risk-taking gene… and his "astrology chart"!!)!

Suddenly it's bye-bye time.

Really… there is DEFINITELY a LOT wrong with this picture.


Now, if one plots out Kennedy's position as he described, that WOULD in
fact be roughly 10 miles west/southwest of the shoreline, which itself
is about 3 miles south of the airport.
 
In this regard everything fits perfectly in terms of him being where be
said he was. 

One thing that DOESN'T fit into this schematic, however, is where
federal and state authorities claim they retrieved the plane's wreckage.
Unless the force of whatever destroyed his plane blasted it about 7
miles to the northwest--which is genuinely doubtful, then there is
something REAL fishy (sorry for that pun) about this angle as well.
It seems that the wreckage was dragged underwater to a different
location: perhaps to prevent too many people from observing the recovery
or some other reason.

To reiterate: according to the content of Kennedy's call he was in fact
lined up for final approach. This additional EXTREMELY pertinent fact is
ANOTHER reason this radio contact has been excised from official
renditions; because it is completely unreasonable to claim a pilot with
Kennedy's AMPLE piloting skills, flying a plane with an auto-stabilzing
system as he was, could "blow it" at that point due to disorientation.
IMPOSSIBLE that he could not make out Martha's Vineyard from that
distance, ESPECIALLY with the noted "light pollution" permeating the
skies in the area that area residents had been complaining about. Again,
these OUTRAGEOUS and unfounded speculations that pilot error and such
are the cause of the crash are completely without merit. THERE WERE NO
MORE TURNS TO MAKE! He was LINED UP with the runway.

So what happened?

John Quinn/NewsHawk Inc.




[CTRL] CAMELOT KILLINGS - The Murder of JFK Jr. and the Sisters Bissette

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan

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Om
K
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CAMELOT KILLINGS - The Murder
of JFK Jr. and the Sisters Bissette
-
Subject: CAMELOT KILLINGS - The Murder of JFK Jr. and the Sisters Bissette
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GroomWatch)
Date: Fri, 06 August 1999 02:49 AM EDT
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

"CAMELOT KILLINGS"   The Murder of JFK Jr. and the Sisters Bissette

by Anthony J. Hilder

 The Kennedy killing reeks with the stench of murder.  The smell of
disinformation and misinformation laced with outright lies concerning the JFK
crash rises from the "managed media" as if from a cauldron of crap.  Thousands
of hours of hyperbole, stock footage of young Kennedy as a boy in Camelot,
quotes of his murdered father, of Jackie Onassis, footage from the Kennedy
compound, puff stories showing Junior's human side, and hours of the faithful
dropping off flowers outside of his New York apartment inundated the airwaves
-
but not so much as a moment of time was devoted to airing "the truth" as to
how
the Prince of Camelot came to meet the Grim Reaper.

 Not so much as a tidbit of truth was "allowed" other than the
Establishment's spin to the story.  Not an iota of investigation or even an
open eye to question why Kennedy's Piper Saratoga suddenly dove straight down
into the drink.  The witnesses who saw the explosion in the night sky were
ignored.  The report that he had just talked to the radio tower at Martha's
Vineyard Airport just sixty seconds before the plane's tail section severed
off, vanished from the network's news.

 As to any mention of anyone having a MOTIVE FOR MURDER..well, that
suggestion was conveniently "not considered".   The networks, in essence, say
he killed himself via pilot error.  Never once did they suggest that someone
else may have "did it to 'em".  The news nets claimed that he suddenly became
disoriented, confused, and discombobulated.  Others say he was too incompetent
to control his aircraft under the extremely adverse weather conditions - all
of
which is total bullshit.  A lie is a lie is a lie is a lie.

 It is inconceivable that anyone with an I.Q. over that of a good golf
score could consume this crap and not regurgitate.  But they do.  Lined up
like
pigs at the feeding trough, the public sucks up this swill like burgers and
fries.  They seem to hunker on down for another gulp of the garbage - which
proves H.L. Mencken's statement:  "One can never underestimate the
intelligence
of the American public".  They are stupid beyond belief.  The majority never
question, never challenge, never ask to see proof and never think.  Their
complacency is like a slow-growing cancer crippling its host and rendering
them
useless drones in a socialist society.  The propaganda press places turds in
the trough, and the public fight amongst themselves to feed.

 To buy into the "Kennedy was incompetent story" the public would have to
believe he was stupid and so ignorant that he couldn't read the multitude of
instruments set before his eyes that give the pilot guidance to control the
craft.  To top that off, they're telling us that Kennedy and the sisters
Bissette literally couldn't tell up from down and wouldn't know if the plane
was flying upside down, or not.  Give me a break!

 But the Bankster Boys who control the Manhattan Media told their puppets
in the propaganda press to convey "that story", knowing that the goyim would
suck up their snot and lick their lips.  Not only did they do it  - they
enjoyed having it rammed down their throats...AND SWALLOWED IT.  The whole
damn thing.   But not everybody bit the big one.  Those in the Patriot
community balked.  They didn't accept the propaganda pitch.

 In Nazi Germany, not everybody bought the Goebbels garbage either.
Unfortunately for them, Hitler was too far along for them to change the course
of history.  In the United States, we still have a chance if our readers rally
to the cause.  Our FREE WORLD ALLIANCE poll  - small as it may be  - shows
that
seventy-one percent don't buy into the propaganda press's "conclusion" that
Kennedy became paralyzed as a pilot moments after his message to the control
tower and suddenly became incapable of flying in a straight line - even with
the airport signal beacon straight ahead.

 But if you think the masses are Mongoloids when it comes to the "think
factor", let's look at the Kennedy family.  With all the evidence compiled
that
showed "WITHOUT QUESTION" that Senator Spector's "single-bullet theory" was
nothing short of insanity, not a single Kennedy stood to talk or balk at
buying
that bullshitexcept one.  Guess who.

 Rumor had it that JFK, Jr., through his GEORGE Magazine, was going to pin
the tail on the donkeys that done the deed and document that the banksters and
their boys who make up the American Illuminati were behind both the murder of
his father and his uncle.  Knowing that his other uncle, Senator Ted Kennedy,
had 

[CTRL] "Eyes Wide Shut"

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan

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Om
K
-
"Eyes Wide Shut"
-
Subject: "Eyes Wide Shut"
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kansan1225)
Date: Fri, 06 August 1999 03:46 PM EDT
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  Something had to be done.  The clandestine Luciferian Masonic
(CLuM) Lodge Yellow Rose #1377 of Kingwood, TX, had been suffering
severe membership losses recently with the advent of the new cult, the so-
called Primordial and Unmitigated Knights of the East.

  The schismatic cult's leader, the self-proclaimed Hidden Hierophant,
CLuM Brother Swami Dietrich Krishnamurthy, had been running a sale on
the first three (Blue) Masonic degrees:  all three for the low, low price of
$39.99.  Yellow Rose Worshipful Master Owen "New Order" Williams
decided to act.  He delegated the marvellous, but diabolical, real estate
agent CLuM Sister Francesca Beaverton on a delicate, undercover mission.

  Sister Francesca called up Swami Dietrich and invited him on a movie
date, to go see the 13th and last movie of the late director Stanley Kubrick,
the film "Eyes Wide Shut".  Swami Dietrich grabbed this opportunity,
figuring he could get some instructive tips from this CLuM movie, and may
be enter Sister Francesca into his Primordial registers.

  Indeed they went out together to the multiplex close to Mason Road in
the fashionable western suburbs of Mosquitoes.  As the lights dimmed, the
two of them performed the buttered popcorn ritual, a CLuM tradition
among generational Satanists.  Soon enough they marveled at Alice (Nicole
Kidman) through the looking glass.  Even though Tom Cruise's thespian
shortcomings were all-too-apparent in his role as Dr. William Harford, the
story itself was quite compelling for this pair of Luciferian devotees.

  William (Tom Cruise) is invited in a round-about way to be initiated
into
a CLuM Lodge in Glen Cove, Long Island, NY.  The "Cove" part is
obviously a reference to a "coven":  "GLE CoveN", with GLE a thinly
veiled reminder of the Masonic (Unified) Grand Lodge of England.  This
UGLEy Coven's members are dressed in black cloaks and Venetian face
masks in fond remembrance of CLuM Brother Giovanni Casanova, the
cunning Venetian adventurer, spy, police informant, and man about town.

  The ritual itself consists of a sexual orgy of all possible proclivities
and
orientations.  It is presided over by a Venerable Master sitting in a throne
decorated with a double-headed eagle, the emblem of the Masonic Scottish
Rite, the most prominent public Masonic body in the world.  Later on
William (Tom Cruise) undergoes his initiatory ritual questioning by the
Venerable Master and a human sacrifice is conducted on his behalf.  He is
instructed to keep the secrets of the Lodge on pain of the most dire
consequences for him and his family.

  After he leaves the Coven, he visits the New York City Morgue and
sees the dead sacrificial victim, offered for his Luciferian redemption.  That
scene is crowned by the most muted Masonic mystery number, the number
19, a reminder of the 19-year Metonic cycle of the moon.

  He returns to his home and his wife, where he learns that she, too, has
been initiated through a sex orgy.  He comes to realize the depth of the
depravity he has fallen into, but his wife, Alice (Nicole Kidman), is
unrepentant in the face of the abyss.  It is very suitable that these two
real-
life victims of the satanic Scientology cult are shown as willing and
unrepentant initiates of a CLuM Lodge.

  Swami Dietrich and Sister Francesca left the multiplex on Mason Road
in a hurry, eager to follow Alice's last command in the movie.
-
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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[CTRL] George W. Bush May Have Big Surprise From DEA During 2000 Campaign

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan

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K
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George W. Bush's Mena
Connection
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Subject: George W. Bush's Mena Connection
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RealLoDown)
Date: Fri, 06 August 1999 08:09 PM EDT
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A recent item from Free Republic:

George W. Bush May Have Big Surprise From DEA During 2000 Campaign

News/Current Events News
Source: From The Wilderness
Published: 7-28-99 Author: Michael Ruppert
Posted on 08/05/1999 22:33:19 PDT by metalbird1

Terry Reed and family are in L.A. for a while to work on a real-life feature
film project. Contrary to the usual Hollywood experience for guys like us, it
is rumored that Terry has actually received one check and that it has actually
cleared the bank.

I was with Terry recently at a public speaking engagement where he reminded
the
audience of a little passage from his 1994 book, "Compromised". In that
passage
he describes how Barry Seal had told him that he had "insurance" in the form
of
proof that the "Bush boys" were doing heavy drugs.

Well Terry elaborated on the story for FTW and it seems that, courtesy of
Barry
Seal, the FBI had inserted a female undercover agent into the inner circle of
Medellin Carter founder Pablo Escobar. Her name was Darlene N and she got
"very
close" to an Escobar cousin named Steve Plata.

Well, thanks to the "uc", as undercovers are called, Barry Seal and Terry Reed
were sent on a drug sting to meet some wealthy Texans who were flying into
Tamiami Airport outside of Miami, Florida to pick up a couple of kilos of
powder for a party.

Well it turns out that the wealthy Texans were George W. and Jeb Bush who flew
in on the family owned King Air to pick up the cocaine themselves. Hidden DEA
cameras filmed the whole incident, including the tail number of the aircraft
and both Bushes' participation. According to Reed, nobody knew in advance who
the buyers were. Reed states that he has both the tail number of the aircraft
and the DEA case file number and that he strongly expects that tape to turn up
during the 2000 presidential campaign.


---My Take:

Clinton watchers have known for years that 1) the man is a thoroughly corrupt
low life, with no honor, loyalty or principles; 2) that all his associates
therefore are similarly morals-challenged. Given the richly documented past
(and present) association Clinton has had with the Bush family, the obvious
conclusion that follows is 3) the Bushes are also corrupt low lifes.

Could it be a case of one hand whitewashing the other here? The Bushs visit
Arkansas often during the '80's, build a friendship, and collaborate together
in suborning a major drug-running operation in Mena. Bush is threatened in '92
with an expanded investigation over Iraqgate and Neil Bushgate (and perhaps
Mena) should he be re-elected, so cuts a deal with his more corrupt "opponent"
to take a dive, campaign shabbily and lose, in exchange for Clinton keeping
the
lid shut on his family scandals? Clinton accepts on condition that one of
GHWB's son's succeed him in becoming President to do the same for
him---otherwise he goes public over Mena, and the DEA video. This scenario may
explain a lot over what has transpired over the past seven years, from why the
video, if it exists, never surfaced before, why the gigantic build-up now for
GWB, etc.(he's the most likely guy in the universe to bury the Clinton
scandals
for good). The LAST thing Clinton would want is for the King Air evidence to
surface---he'd then have no levearge against the post-Clinton GOP WH.
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[CTRL] The Philosophical Research Society

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
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The Philosophical Research Society was founded in 1934 by Manly P. Hall
(1901-1990), and has been publishing classical works in the field of
comparative religion and philosophy for over sixty years. Even before
the current surge of interest in spiritual growth and personal
enlightenment, Mr. Hall, whose writings are featured in this website,
was keenly aware of the individuals need to explore the esoteric
teachings of the worlds cultures and religious traditions. Humans have
always struggled with questions of the meaning of life, the purpose of
our existence, and the possibility of spiritual life beyond death.

The author of more than two hundred volumes, Manly P. Hall was a
philosopher of great vision and knowledge. He wrote prolifically on a
vast array of subjects, including Western and Eastern religions and
mysticism, classical philosophy, personal psychology, et cetera. Always
his intention was to provide the student and seeker with insights which
could be applied directly to his or her own life and to the benefit of
humanity.

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Now celebrating its 64th anniversary, the Philosophical Research Society
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Founder of PRS

The 1920s and 1930s were times of great religious, philosophical, and
spiritual renewal and discovery in America-times much like our own. A
number of outstanding teachers emerged from this period. In the minds of
many, none stands above the figure of Manly P. Hall (1901-1990).

Born on March 18, 1901 in Peterborough, Ontario, Mr. Hall was raised by
his maternal grandmother who brought him to the United States when he
was very young. From an early age, Mr. Hall studied the full range of
the worlds ancient wisdom traditions. Unlike so many of his
contemporaries, he concluded that wisdom was not to be found on only one
path or in only one religion. Instead, he saw wisdom as the highest
realm where philosophy, religion, and science come together without
boundaries. Barely twenty years old, the gifted young man began his
public career in the fall of 1920 when he was invited to speak to a
small group in a room over a bank in Santa Monica, California on the
subject of reincarnation. The following year he was asked to hold a
lecture program in Los Angeles and continued teaching and writing for
another six decades. He showed thousands how a powerful and universal
wisdom could be found in the myths, mysteries, and symbols of the
ancient Western mystery teachings and how to embody this wisdom in their
own lives. Once when a young student asked him to autograph one of his
books, he wrote the following:

"To learn is to live, to study is to grow, and growth is the measurement
of life. The mind must be taught to think, the heart to feel, and the
hands to labor. When these have been educated to their highest point,
then is the time to offer them to the service of their fellowman, not
before."

Mr. Hall always felt that before the student could embark on an esoteric
career, they must first build a sound and sane personality from which to
launch such an endeavor, this he explains in his book, Self Unfoldment
By Disciplines of Realization.

His first publications were two small pamphlets, The Breastplate of the
High Priest and Wands and Serpents. (These are still in print as part of
a booklet entitled Symbolic Essays). Two books he wrote in the early
1920s, The Lost Keys of Freemasonry and The Ways of the Lonely Ones, are
also available and have enjoyed numerous reprintings through the years.
During this period Mr. Hall began planning his large volume on
symbolical philosophy, The Secret Teachings of All Ages. He traveled
extensively in 1923 and 1924, visiting many great cultural centers in
Europe, Asia, and Egypt. A favorite place of Mr. Halls for searching out
rare and ancient wisdom texts was the British Museum in London.
"The great center of learning in England is the British Museum, with its
miles of bookcases, which caused De Quincy to sit and weep because he
could not read all the volumes. In order to gain access to the two
principal departments 

Re: [CTRL] Y2K Film's death is cause for concern (fwd)

1999-08-08 Thread Bill

 -Caveat Lector-

I just recently learned that Tampa City Police Department is
NOT in compliance with y2k directives though two years have
been spent knowing about it...they think the comm center
will probably go down...HAPPYU NEW YEAR!But this
dovetails perfectly with the mayors plans to militarize the
police here and that speaks volumes, particularly as
concerns nefarious collusionshere is a thread that might
be a repost  but is interesting nonetheless...
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Tampas Federal Connection]
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:16:45 -0700
From: "Brevet Colonel Andrew Stephen; Colesanti"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I do not know how new this military take over of civilian
government and its
police is to you, or how long you have been researching
this.

I have done much work the past four years while it was being
implemented, I
even addressed a delegation of senators and representatives
in Jupiter Town
Hall here in Florida in Jan 97 about it. It is a matter of
public record
what was said there, but what became apparent was that it
was a done deal
through orders from above in the not so white house. An
EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
ASSISTANCE COMPACT (EMAC) was entered into by Florida and
many other states
violating the compact clause of the U.S. Constitution, later
though after I
brought this fact out the congress scum covered the rears of
those who
violate the Constitution so openly by giving its grace to
the compact,
"after the fact".

You need to get a copy of EMERGENCY SUPPORT FUNCTION-16
(ESF-16) from your
counties emergency management people. There are links within
that document
that PROVE without question that the SHERIFF who they tell
you is a
Constitutional Officer, is in fact not, is beholden to the
FLORIDA
DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT a statutorily created entity
of the state,
then FDLE is beholden to FEMA and the DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
for all
EMERGENCIES! Do not take my word for this get the documents,
see for
yourself the VIOLATIONS of both U.S. and Florida
Constitutions, laws,
statutes, states rights and a whole array of other
infringements.

FIGHTING TERRORISM is but another tool (PLOY) used to
VIOLATE America and
it's people, by those who are the real TERRORISTS!

Respectfully,
Andrew Stephen Colesanti

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From: Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, 03 August, 1999 8:39 PM
Subject: [Fwd: Tampas Federal Connection]

>
>
> Bill wrote:
> >
> > Further information on Tampa Mayor Dick Grecos major
> > cooperation with Macdill AFB proclaimed last week.  This is
> > the step before coming for the guns as far as I can
> > seeanybody have info?  City and Federal Forces including
> > the city police as one with the military on Macdill?  Greco
> > is such a small little climber he thinks the govt is going
> > to work some magic for him, help him keep his precious
> > trinkets...the problem is, when people like this finally
> > learn whats going on, its usually too late, and they take
> > their people down with them.   Time will tell, as it always
> > does.
> > BG
> >
> > This Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) is intended to
> > document the intention of the City of
> > Tampa and MacDill Air Force Base to work together, on a
> > continuing and lasting basis, toward
> > maximum cooperation and mutual assistance in the areas of
> > disaster response and emergency
> > preparedness. To the maximum extent possible, the parties
> > will develop joint programs for planning,
> > training, conducting exercises, and responding to disasters
> > impacting the City of Tampa and/or
> > MacDill Air Force Base. Specifically, this MOU will address:
> >
> >  The development of a mutual aid agreement between the
> > City of Tampa and MacDill in the
> >  event of disasters, natural or manmade, that overwhelm
> > the capabilities of either;
> >  The development of a joint exercise that requires the
> > response of both entities in responding to
> >  disasters such as, but not limited to, an oil spill to
> > the environment;
> >  The development of a coordinated response in event of
> > terrorist use of weapons of mass
> >  destruction within the City of Tampa or MacDill and in
> > accordance with the Domestic
> >  Preparedness Program.
> >
> > MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT
> >
> > The State of Florida Emergency Management Act, Chapter 252,
> > Part I, Florida Statutes, authorizes
> > the state and its political subdivisions to develop and
> > enter into mutual aid agreements for reciprocal
> > emergency aid in case of emergencies too extensive to be
> > dealt with effectively unassisted.
> >
> > It is in the best interest of the citizens of Tampa for the
> > City to enter into such a mutual aid agreement
> > with MacDill Air Force Base to provide for expeditious
> > emergency assistance, resources permitting,
> > in the event of a catastrophic event or natural disaster in
> > the city.
> >
> > The C

[CTRL] Kennedy and the Unseen Hand

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.angelfire.com/me/carcano/bookexcerpt.html
http://www.angelfire.com/me/carcano/bookexcerpt.html">http://www.angelfi
re.com/.../bookexcerpt.html
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BOOK EXCERPT:
Kennedy and the Unseen Hand

(un-edited) Copyright 1996


Oswald the Russian Patsy

I for one believe that Lee Harvey Oswald since day-one was designated to
be a patsy.He was an off the shelf fall guy if you like. Oswald served
as a radaroperator at Atsugi Japan, home of the U-2 spy plane. It was
used for spyflights over the Soviet Union. The U-2 was one of the most
top secret blackproject of it's day. As a radar operator, Oswald
(according to Mark Lane)had knowledge of:
•Of all locations of all bases on the West Coast.
•Radio frequencies of all squads.
•All tactical call signs.
•Strength of squads
•Names of commanding officers.
•The authentic code for entering and exiting the ADIZ radar and radar
ranges.


Soon Oswald allegedly defected to the Soviet Union offering them
secretsgained as a radar operator. Did the Russians take the
information. I wouldhave to say yes. While in the Soviet Union, Oswald
was given a good job andlived in a better than average dwelling. If the
Soviets ignored what Oswaldhad to say, he would have not been allowed to
stay as they did not runcharities.

On January 7th 1960, Oswald arrived in Minsk. On May 1st 1960,
pilotFrancis Gary Powers was shot down in his U-2 spy plane. Is this
justcoincidence? The U-2 spy plane piloted by Francis Gary Powers was
ordered tophotograph an area in the Soviet Union, and now for the
firsttime he was given a flight that was on a "straight line" heading.
This was a major no-no. This would only act as an advantage for the
Soviets totrack the plane. On a straight line it is fairly easy to
predict in advancewhere the plane will be at any given time.

Because the U-2 spy plane flew at such high altitudes it was
untouchablefrom Soviet jets and SAM anti-aircraft missiles. But in
Power's case, Col.Fletcher Prouty (Chief Special Operations at the
Pentagon from 1960-63)concluded from technical evidence that Power's
plane was flying at a loweraltitude when brought shot at. The Soviets
claimed to have shot the planedown, but according to press reports, the
plane was reported to have ran out of fuel and crash landed.

After being released from the Soviet Union, Power's resettled in
America,then in 1977 had stated publicly that believed his plane had a
bomb on boardwhich had brought his plane down allowing him to be
captured by the Russians.Later after this statement was made he was
killed in a helicopter crash. Itwas reported that he ran out of gas even
when it was shown that he had filledup with fuel.

As you can see, there is good circumstantial evidence that Powers'
flightwas set to fail, but why? President Eisenhower was on acampaign of
peace. To the Military Industrial Complex and the CIA, the word"peace"
is a four letter word. If there is peace in the world, then there isnot
support for the CIA and no billion dollar level of profits for the
armsindustry. Peace does not generate profits. The CIA had made
millionsfrom the Viet Nam war. Simply put, war is a cash cow. Who
profits from it?The Military Industrial Complex, the banks, the
petroleum industry and theCIA do. All of them are so interconnected that
is it almost impossible totell them apart from each other.

The amazing thing is that the average Joe never pays for these
profits.Let's say they create a new million dollar fighter jet called X.
Where doesthe money come from in order to buy a squadron of them. It
comes from thegovernment. Where does the government get the money. They
get it from thebanks. Where does the government get the money to pay the
banks? They getit through us the taxpayers. Not only that, the
corporations that areinvolved in the creation and production of jet X
receive massive subsidiesfor their effort. In other words, corporate
welfare.

In an article by Jim Hightower called THE PENTAGON'S TAX BITE, Jim
statesthe following: "...at least six-out-of-every-ten dollars that we
sent toUncle Sam on April 15 will go to the Pentagon and its military
contractors. Billion a year goes to this military establishment, not
countingbillions more it gets indirectly through the budgets of NASA,
StateDepartment and others.

Congress and the White House literally throw our money at
thismilitary-industrial complex, even though it is the most bloated,
fraud-riddenbureaucracy in the whole federal governmentremember
those $1,200 toiletseats, $600 hammers and other rip-offs the Pentagon
was buying from itspampered contractors in the 1980s? Well, don't look
now, but . . .they're bck. In fact, they never went away -- it's
just that the mediaquit reporting these scams. Maybe that's because much
of the media is nowowned by -- believe it or not -- Pentagon
contractors. For example, GE andWestinghouse, two of the biggest
recipients of Pentagon money, own NBC andCBS."

In Eisenhower's case, he was being told 

[CTRL] MURCHINSON'S MASONIC PARTY

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.angelfire.com/me/carcano/masonicparty.html
http://www.angelfire.com/me/carcano/masonicparty.html">http://www.angelf
ire.com/.../masonicparty.html
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MURCHINSON'S MASONIC PARTY

According to Penn Jones( in ''Forgive my grief IV''),the theme of
ClintMurchison's gala party was ''A Night in Egypt'' in honor to FBI
DirectorJ.Edgar Hoover. That party was attended by other notables such
as ''JohnMcCloy, Richard Nixon, George and Herman Brown, R.L.Thornton,
H.L.Hunt and a host of others from the 8F group. Why ''Night in Egypt''?

According to Robert Morningstar:'' There was another interesting side
light to Murchison's party. It was also attended by a uniqueastronomical
event: a very rare conjunction of the planets Mars and Venus in the
constellation Scorpio.It is interesting to note that the first
assassination in recorded history, the murder of Osirir, the Egyptian
God-King, by his evil twin, Set, was executed on a similar day,strangely
enough, in Egypt."

Written by: Eulalia Moreno
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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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[CTRL] We are only the messengers: Remarkable Times

1999-08-08 Thread Fransy

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And where will You be on the morning of the 11th ???

This message has great significance to us all. It explains the shifts
we have all anticipated for so long, and the manifestations globally we
are witness to, day to day.
Good reading.

The Lunar and Solar Eclipses - What is Happening?

Right now, something truly profound in the evolution of our reality is
finally coming to a head. This period contains the moment we have all been
waiting for - or at least, the new beginning which leads to it. It is the
reason that the world around us has felt pregnant with something entirely
new, and why we humans have, over recent months, often felt so frustrated
with waiting. The up-coming eclipses are at the centre of what is happening.
The purpose of this note is to give you some guidelines which may assist
in how to maximise the opportunity.

It is possible to see this time either very positively, or very
negatively, yet the reality
will be different for each of us. There is no doubt that radical change
is likely - when I asked for a dream to give me greater clarity, I was
shown the following scenario. I was helpingt facilitate a spiritually
based workshop - while we were all enjoying our work, a flash flood
swept everything in the street outside away, cars, belongings, the lot.
An interesting image for a time of change! The point is that those who
were doing the spiritual work were all perfectly safe, but in the
mundane realm there was huge chaotic change. The continually escalating
energies of higher consciousness which have been flooding into the
planet and our individual consciousness for several years, have now gone
exponential. These energies also open up access to the knowledge that
will drive the creation of the 'new paradigm'. As little as one year
ago, the energies of the new paradigm were at only 10% compared with 90%
for the old. Now, a few weeks before the 11the August solar eclipse it
stands at 49% new to 51% old.

When I ask will the two will come into balance, the date I am given is
that of the solar eclipse as the moment when the new energies come into
the ascendancy for the first time.

The eclipse, and the astrological 'grand cross that accompanies it, are a
significant focal point. However, the main features of the Grand Cross,
which are being modified daily by the movement of the planets, are already
in place, and will be for many weeks.

Thus, some commentators focus on days other than the eclipse as
having major significance. Although there may be a central event, the
whole is a powerful process, over some weeks, and setting of many other
change processes.

The cutting off of the energy of the sun, in a process that will last
just over three hours and pass over a great deal of territory, has a
radical potential for change. First, all the programming that generates
the fear that has existed for millennia, and, as a primary tool of the
old paradigm, have held humanity captive, are held within various layers
of the earth's energy grids and structures. As the sun is blocked from
the earth, these fears - already loosened by the escalation of higher
consciousness energies of recent years - will now become detached, and
can, if we do not reinforce them, actually dissipate away to nothing.
Secondly, these fears can be replaced by our positive intentions, if we
choose to make those explicit during the time of the solar eclipse.
It will be highly important, then, to visualise the most positive
reality possible, during this time, and hold your vision steadfast and
unwavering.

Most of us are aware that we create our own realities in some way.
However, this task has usually been greatly complicated by many old,
inappropriate energies that cause interference to our intentions. Now,
as the energies from the sun become disconnected during the eclipse,
aspects of that which interferes will be temporarily absent - for a time
the board will be wiped clean. The work that you do during this time is
therefore vitally important, since it sets the scene for what happens
next.

The fact is, if we are willing to move forwards with an act of
conscious evolution, we have all the cosmic help we could want at this
time. But it is important to recognise that we are the ones with the
expertise in being human. We need to envisage the new reality, in order
to provide a basis by which it can manifest. Nobody else is going to do
this part for you!

You, along with many other aware individuals, are now the architects
of what happens next!

So, take this time as one where it is important to focus, in joy, on
co-creating what you want. Spend the time of the eclipse in quiet
meditation. If you can, do this work with like-minded others, for
together you will greatly leverage your creative power. Devise and make
your decrees as to what you intend for the future, have fun using your
utmost creative ability, no holds barred, to change the game we have all
been playing to one that is wholly positive, and based in love

[CTRL] net censorship attempts AND reefer madness scares mean victory!

1999-08-08 Thread Bill

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The recent reefer madness is to scare the activists, and
ready the world for NWO's Boy George who plans to win buy
buying the presidency...why not? its been done before
right?  The American TV party ARE A BUNCH OF STUPID
SHEEP...the govt is scared, nay, petrified, because we, THE
MARIJUANA HEMP ACTIVISTS, are making real change, and
because our FIJA strategy, as well as our strategy to fill
the courts with marijuana cases by requesting court trials
for everyone is workingTHANKS SCOTT BLEDSOE.the
Narcofascists bust so many people for pot, which is strictly
an enforcement of their monopolies and dominance, that if
10% of those persecuted by the illegal laws request jury
trial the courts would quickly become snarled much worse
than they are now.  They are starting to see all this now.
Good.  May they die in their sleep of bad dreams and
heartburn.  Pass it on.
 Economy of Lies

 The cost of enforcing the illegal prohibition of hemp and
marijuana has been phenomenal.  This cost has become a
veritable pork barrel by which elitist politicians, at the
behest of their elite owners, are able to abscond with huge
amounts of the publics money, to enforce special interest
laws that benefit only them and their industries.
Monopolistic and dynastic characteristics epitomize
industrys goals as far as fair competition is concerned.
Fuels, Materials, pharmaceuticals, and recreational drugs
(Budweiser:King of drugs) have been sewn up tight, with
legislation and its attendant law enforcement keeping the
lid and cuffs on for their bosses, the ultra-rich.  Billions
of dollars of the peoples moneys have been spent to secure
monopolys that act directly against the interests of the
public, as concerns business and fair competition.  Years
have been lost and gargantuan chunks of productivity thrown
to the wayside, while huge conglomerates tighten the collar,
nay, noose, to the point of strangulation.
  To enforce these laws of monopoly huge prison
industries have been spawned, to incarcerate those who would
have the colossal audacity to compete with big business on
its own terms.  Most times examples are made of the small
fry "Criminals",  fodder for the fear machine of television,
which A) is NOT a press, and B) is owned by the very
interests who wish to lock down opportunity and fair
competition.
 Individual states are right now introducing action to
sue for damages against tobacco.  They say that the medical
expense incurred by tobacco users warrants this, and they
mean to recoup the losses of the monopolistic Federal
Reserve Insurance Interests.
 My question is this.  Once it is shown how badly
Americans have been ripped off as far as fair competition in
the marketplace is concerned,  which means ever since hemp
and its products and byproducts were illegally made illegal,
and the beneficence of this crop is once again realized as
an alternative to fuels and materials production; once the
inmates who are serving time for using this natural
substance as a recreational drug  (mostly as an alternative
to the very debilitative alcohol) get released from jail,
who is going to sue government for all the lost time and
lives spent in jails that were created for no other reason
than to restrict fair trade in America?  Who?
 The reason marijuana has not become re-legal so far is
because government understands only too well the mistake
that was made when they capitulated to William Hearst, and
the Duponts and the Mellons when those apes railroaded hemp
illegality through the law system by using yellow journalism
scare tactics.  They have been able to enforce the
conditioning through television, but Americans are not
really stupid and are waking up.  So whos going to pay us
back the money that was stolen from us?  Where is the money
going to come from?  Who will pay to tear down the prison
"INDUSTRY", which is still being used to restrict fair trade
in American markets and the World, and who will pay to have
them converted to useful and productive institutions,
instead of the holding pens for those who have challenged
the elitist criminals in control now?  WHO?
 The lock down is so thorough that surveillance has
become the norm among the elite who need every advantage
they can lay their hands on, because people really are
waking up from their television induced fear/hysteria.
Prisons no longer need to be locked buildings and cells.  It
is possible, and has been well exercised by the super
powerful, to make prisoners of anyone, at anytime, by
controlling them through surveillance.  Look at what is
available as far as surveillance equipment is concerned,
versus countersurveillance equipment.  Look at the cost and
understand, KNOW that the devices are restricted to only
those of upper echelon means. The Goddess Columbia is dying,
has been dying ever since she was raped and left bleeding in
the gutter at the beginning of this century.  But there are
those to avenge 

[CTRL] VICTIMS OF MASONIC ILL TREATMENT UK ISSUE 32

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan

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K
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VICTIMS OF MASONIC ILL
TREATMENT UK ISSUE 32
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Subject: VICTIMS OF MASONIC ILL TREATMENT UK ISSUE 32
From: William <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 07 August 1999 01:12 PM EDT
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

VOMIT UK 32/99

Victims Of Masonic Ill-treatment 7 August 1999

Anyone criticised or maligned in these publications has a guaranteed
right of

reply. JMF or P2 Lodge UK stands for the hierarchies of the
Judaeo/Masonic

Faction. The ordinary Mason and Jew are as likely to suffer from the
machinations

of the JMF as non-Masons and non-Jews are.


GEOFFREY SCRIVEN AND THE LATE ATTORNEY GENERAL


This issue will deal primarily with yet another attempt to gag and
imprison Mr Geoffrey Scriven.(Fax 0161 428 1159). WE PUBLISH THIS IN THE
PUBLIC INTEREST EVEN IF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DOES NOT TAKE UP HIS OPTION
TO PROCEED AGAINST MR SCRIVEN. If the Attorney General does not proceed
with the case Mr Scriven will attempt to have issues raised in a court
of criminal jurisdiction before a jury. The judges who authorised the
action against Mr Scriven claimed that they 1. Had heard Counsel Bruce
Carr, 2. Had read a statement related to the procedure, 3. Had read the
affirmation of Adam Peter Chapman and 4. Had read the exhibits referred
to therein. According to the order the hearing lasted 2 minutes, from
1400 t0 1402 hours. We believe that the two judges were prepared to sign
away a man's liberty without considering the evidence. We anticipate
that the judges will claim that the two minutes was a clerical error and
that anyway they had read all the documents before they entered the
court. It would not surprise us if the two judges were presented with a
copy of the order away from the court and signed it without reading any
documents. We sincerely believe that the two judges Lord Justice Rose
and Mr Justice Brian Smedley paved the way for the unlawful imprisonment
of Mr Scriven without following due process. Whatever they say they
could not have heard counsel and started the proceedings with a 2 minute
hearing. It would have taken 2 minutes for the usual mutual admiration
and throat clearing as Counsel positioned his right arm diagonally
across his left breast with his outstretched hand pointing over his left
shoulder.

Lord Chief Justice Bingham has stated that it would not be in the spirit
of the law to wait until the human rights legislation came into force
before compliance. Yet the two judges permitted an ex-parte hearing in
private. They did not allow Mr Scriven an opportunity to argue his
defence. Nor did they allow public scrutiny in a case, which can deprive
a man of his liberty for a time without limit. This enables the bent
authorities to set up a crisis hearing where judges, sitting without a
jury, can apply unlawful pressure as before by stationing policemen or
tipstaffs in the court to intimidate or arrest Mr Scriven.

We have been inundated with letters, faxes, emails and phone calls.
These are always appreciated even if they mean that we cannot publish
information, which should be published. For example we had a poem from
an Irish patriot, Siobhan Hairston. Her sentiments were clear and
powerful. It would have helped Blair to understand that, come Orangeman
come RUC slaughter, there is only one final solution to the Irish
problem; United Ireland. Then we have two octogenarians, Mr & Mrs
Masefield (Fax 01308 485729) writing to Chris Mullin at the Home Affairs
Committee and to the Prime Minister explaining how Mr Scriven had been
exposing the skulduggery of the Lord Chancellor and the judiciary.
Mullin, true to form, has moved on to Transport. We consider Mullin to
be a traitor to the Irish cause and to the victims of Freemasonry. Bear
in mind that his constituency is in the Labour Badlands of the
Northeast. Few people know that the Attorney General, the top government
law officer, either resigned or was sacked in the cabinet reshuffle. Had
he taken a powder one week earlier he would not now be held culpable for
seeking to imprison Mr Scriven for contempt of court.


MORE ON GEOFFREY SCRIVEN


A former Attorney General has a messy private life and was involved in
the Lloyd's rackets. Unlawfully, being a person without assets he was a
name in Lloyd's syndicates. It appeared, during his tenure of office,
that he was not his own master. Questions were asked as to why a Queen's
Counsel who was in financial difficulties should take a substantial drop
in income to become Attorney General. His repeated abuse of legal
processes to promote the interests of the well connected and deprive
litigants of justice is well established. In Mr Scriven's case he made
the accusation that Mr Scriven had scandalised the court. Courts cannot
be scandalised. There was no case to answer but Mr Scriven was persuaded
to give, under duress, certain undertakings calculated to protect
judges. Now the judges seek to have Mr Scriven committed to prison 

Re: [CTRL] Vatican P2 and Illuminati question

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan

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Re: Vatican P2 and Illuminati
question
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Subject: Re: Vatican P2 and Illuminati question
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kansan1225)
Date: Sat, 07 August 1999 10:49 PM EDT
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  Larry lpcheng wrote:

>Is P2 part of the Vatican?

  No.


>Does P2 control the Vatican?

  They try to.


>Or does the Illuminati control P2 and/or the Vatican?

  The Illuminati, a.k.a. Luciferian Masons, control P2.  They also try to
control the Vatican.  Their task is easier these days, since the present Pope,
John Paul II, is a crypto-Mason.


>What is P2 and its history?
>

  P2 is an Italian Masonic Lodge with membership composed of the most
powerful Italian politicians, businessmen, etc.  They became involved in
financial scandals and became exposed around 1980.  Some of the members wound
up dead or in jail.  They were also involved in the mysterious death of the
short-lived Pope John Paul I in 1978.  The intent there was to replace John
Paul I with CIA-asset Karol Wojtyla, the later John Paul II, a crypto-Mason.

  Officially the P2 Lodge has disbanded since about 1981.  Unofficially,
Luciferian Masonry is still in control of Italian politics and business life.
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[CTRL] Y2K and the FEMA Nightmare MORE EXEC ORDERS INFO

1999-08-08 Thread Bill

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Subject: Reining in Executive Orders!
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 01:48:23 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Albert Burns)

Restricting the Executive Orders
Constitutional vision of separated powers necessary for
liberty
By US Rep. Ron Paul

One of the chief complaints of the American colonists
against King
George
was that he had usurped powers that were not rightfully his,
and then
used
those powers to the disadvantage of the people.

In the ensuing years, those revolutionaries created a
federal government

that was not only strictly limited, but also strictly
divided among
three
co-equal branches, each with unique and limited powers and
each with a
coequal duty to uphold and sustain the Constitution of the
United
States.
Under a truly constitutional approach to our government,
every branch
has
the ability to check the abuses of power by the others.

But this system of "checks" has grown drastically out of
balance, if
indeed
it ever truly was in balance. But the errors of the past,
whether
distant
or
recent, should not be reason to leave the future shackled to
reckless
policies grown from disdainful philosophies.

The most glaring example of our out-of-balance system is the
power of
the
president to create laws through the use of the "Executive
Order." Our
system grants all legislative power to the legislative
branch, while
Chief
Executive exists to "faithfully execute" those laws. ...

I have introduced legislation, along with Rep. Jack Metcalf
of
Washington,
that would bring our federal system into proper balance. The
Separation
of
Powers Restoration Act (HR2655) prohibits a presidential
order from
having
the effect law by restricting the scope of the directives.
In addition,
it
repeals the 1973 War Powers Act, which -- despite the
constitutional
prohibition -- granted broad war-making authority to the
Office of the
President. Further, the legislation suspends all of the
"national
emergencies" which have been declared since 1976, when
Congress last
canceled them. Still on the books are "emergencies" relating
to Iraq and

the Soviet bloc. These emergency declarations give
presidents great
authority, even if the situation no longer presents a threat
to our
national
security.

Finally, and perhaps most significantly, my legislation
grants legal
standing to individual Members of Congress and Senators,
state officials

and, of course, private citizens who believe a president's
Executive
Order
has overstepped constitutional bounds and negatively
impacted them,
their
rights, their property or their business. ...

Subject: [Fwd: World Government - Is our country ready?...a
year later]
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 01:44:04 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Albert Burns)




Subject: World Government - Is our country ready?...a year
later
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:12:19 -0500
From: Jim Hardin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Friends,

This is from Dot. Please note that there are some great
contact numbers
for those that need additional information on the UN. Thanks
Dot.

Jim Hardin

The Freedom Page
http://freedompage.home.mindspring.com
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Alabama Committee To Get Us Out of the UN
http://themustardseed.home.mindspring.com

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SAFAN 1289.  World Government -  Is our country
ready?...a year
later

STOP ALL FEDERAL ABUSES NOW
SAFAN Internet Newsletter, No. 1289, July 28, 1999
WORLD GOVERNMENT - IS OUR COUNTRY READY?  A YEAR LATER.
Don Casey ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Alabama Committee to Get US out of the United Nations

===
INTRO:  Last year, on April 9, 1998, this same article was
put out on the
internet - SAFAN NO. 1156.  The Information in this article
is STILL current
and up to date - including the telephone numbers of folks to
call to answer
your questions.  Last night I talked to Don Casey.  His
follow-up to this
article
is that he and his group are tracking the events in
Birmingham, and in
Alabama - as well as other cities - very closely.  Regional
government is
being established through the Regional Planning Commissions
- and of
course, land use accomplished through zoning regulations.
This is
happening in all of our major cities and a lot of the
smaller ones, too.
READ the 1998 posting FIRST.   Dot Bibee

FOOTNOTE:   So you are looking for the U.N. to come driving
a tank
down your street by men wearing green berets?   Start
looking at
your local, state and federal government officials FIRST -
because
they are aiding and abetting the takoever of America - TODAY
- as
we speak - and have been doing this for a LONG time.

  STOP ALL FEDERAL ABUSES NOW!!!
SAFAN Internet Newsletter, NO. 1156, Apr. 9, 1998
 WORLD GOVERNMENT - IS OUR

[CTRL] Y2K and the FEMA Nightmare EXEC ORDERS INFO

1999-08-08 Thread Bill

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Subject: on exec orders
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:35:19 EDT
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Subject:
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:27:48 -0400 (EDT)
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>From World Net Daily -  concerns executive orders.William Olsen, who
was a recent guest on Art's program, is interviewed.

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Emergency Rule, Abuse of Power?
By Catherine Edwards
It was never intended that the president should rule by
executive
decree, usurping the legislative role of Congress. But a top
Clinton
aide has called this option 'kinda cool.'
any older Washingtonians will tell you they used to have a
view of the
river from their house. Now they no longer have a river
view; they no
longer have their house. Instead, federal offices filled
with
bureaucrats populate the city. During the course of the last
150 years,
the role of president of the United States has grown
exponentially, as
has his team of workers. Many Americans, critics claim, have
been asleep
as one stealth presidency after another has usurped the
judicial
authority of Congress by means of executive orders,
presidential
directives and proclamations.
. . . . The Constitution dictates that the laws shall
originate in
Congress and the executive branch shall see that they are
"faithfully
executed" (Article II, Section 3). In George Washington's
day, executive
orders were no more than administrative directives to
federal employees.
"They have grown," says Bill Olsen, a constitutional lawyer
and former
Reagan administration official, "to be a deliberate strategy
to
circumvent the Congress and the legislative function." The
more
executive orders on the books, the more the need for a huge
tax-funded
bureaucracy to administer them.
. . . . President Clinton has not been shy about signing his
name to
executive orders. Since his inauguration he has issued
nearly 300, and
his critics claim that he has been reckless, ordering more
than his
predecessors. Not so. Franklin D. Roosevelt issued 3,522,
Woodrow Wilson
issued 1,803, and Honest Abe Lincoln is the only U.S.
president to have
declared martial law by executive order -- which he did
twice. Unlike
Clinton, "all three of these presidents, however, governed
in wartime, a
national emergency which often gives rise to expanded
executive
authority," says political analyst Michael Warder of the
California-based Claremont Institute.
. . . . In 1974, a special Senate Committee on National
Emergencies and
Delegated Emergency Powers was alarmed to find that the
United States
had been governed under emergency authority since 1933.
Committee
cochairman Sen. Frank Church of Idaho cautioned: "It is
distressingly
clear that our constitutional government has been weakened
by 41 years
of emergency rule." Emergencies declared by FDR and Harry
Truman still
were in effect, for example, and the committee found that
over time
aggressive presidents had subsumed 470 legally delegated
powers from
permissive Congresses to govern beyond normal constitutional
powers. The
law allowed presidents to seize property, control
production, restrict
travel and institute martial law. In other words,
"Presidents could
manage every aspect of the lives of all American citizens,"
Church
wrote.
. . . . The 1974 National Emergencies Act sunsetted all
existing
emergencies at that time. Congress then passed legislation
in 1976 and
in 1985 allowing termination of any national emergency by
joint
resolution, though no such resolution has been offered.
. . . . Olsen argues that more citizens know about executive
abuses than
do congressmen, whom he chastises for having been "supine"
in their
response to presidential excess.
. . . . This may be changing, however. Republican Rep. Jack
Metcalf of
Washington state introduced a resolution this year (HR30) to
express the
sense of Congress that any executive order infringing on the
constitutionally delegated congressional powers must be
considered for
advisory purposes only and be ineligible for federal funds.
.  . . Cliff Kincaid of the American Sovereignty Action
Project
believes Metcalf's approach is the best course of action.
Kincaid's
group held a conference in early July to highlight
unconstitutional
executive orders and presidential abuses of power. Because
the Metcalf
bill is a resolution, it only can serve to heighten
awareness of the
issue, and Kincaid rightly notes that any legislation with
teeth is
almost certain to be vetoed by the president.
. . . . Republican Rep. Ron Paul of Texas has a different
approach. He
notes that some executive orders are necessary, legitimate
and
constitutional. "Others are abused and are way overstepping
their
bounds," he tells Insight. Paul has proposed legislation
called the
Sepa

[CTRL] Fwd: CONSPIRACY THEORY 101

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan







 CONSPIRACY THEORY 101, A COURSE IN SURVIVING THE MILLENIUM

CONSPIRE: Literally "TO BREATHE TOGETHER". That's what this horrid thing
is? Sharing breath? Well yes. Can't you just see a few oligarchs
dripping diamonds, noses touching over a silver tea pot at the Ritz Café
in Paris, planning some gambit to clear the highways of people, drive
out the welfare populations, thin the branches in the middle of the tree
which prevent the light coming in so they can better grow fruit at the
top, seize the fruit and control the world? So they can have only
YUPPIES on the planet, with credit cards tied to Stepfather Bank, so
inflation can run wild and the zooming spenders on the highway don't
have to slow down for jalopies? So all the trans-national corporations
can drive up the profits the ruthless l0% a year? Oh yes, an idyllic
paradise with runaway inflation that only yuppies can handle, that's
what conspiring means up at that Olympian level. CONSPIRING is when a
few very wealthy, IN POWER people, conspire against the rest to have an
edge. AS IF THEY NEEDED ONE!! They already have think tanks to advise
them what laws to make, they have lawyers and the best politicians money
can buy to make the laws. Soldiers and Cops to enforce them. WHY DO THEY
NEED TO DO THIS?

That is what Millenium Conspiracy Theory 101 is about. Understood and
implied is that a few men hold all the strings and are pulling them to
engineer a TILT to the playing board. To find out what they're doing,
look at any modern event. For instance, the AIDS VIRUS crisis. Pretend
it is NOT an accident, THEN search for the probable CUI BONUM? That's
LATIN for who benefits from it. Who wins when a million folks die of
HIV? That's easy. Those who want certain areas of the city or continent
vacant, certain segments of us gone. There are people who despise Gays,
Ghetto drug addicts, blacks, Africans. What if they wanted an entire
rich, green continent just south of EUROPE vacated? It could happen. The
idea is that Europe would benefit. Europe needs what Hitler called
"Living Room." So if there's a benefit for somebody who COULD have
engineered it, we have a viable conspiracy theory.

OK? Ready to play this game? We say conspiracy theory YOU say who wins.
AIDS? CORRECT ANSWER: the captains of industry in EUROPE COULD HAVE DONE
the dirty deed. The Virus was in a few green monkeys, and then after the
World Health Organization (a subsidiary of the New World Order's United
Nations), shoots everybody in Africa up with Small Pox vaccinations,
accidentally all of Africa gets it?

Now, many of you think of me as a rational soothsayer, a metaphysician,
a kindly white
witch who lives in the San Fernando Valley just north of Hollywood and
grows BLUE CORN and loves her chicken Puck Puck but my chicken and some
of my close personal friends know what I haven't even told my parents:
that I am a raving conspiracy theory buff.
I collect wild theories. These run to who's profiteering from public
dumbness, which
oligarchs are screwing which segments of the stranded, suffocating
population --- Who
assasinated whom. Who profits from such and such a trade/ economic or
political
arrangement. Basic "NO DUH" "somebody's out there KILLING us" theory.

I am not a lone nut. The internet is FULL of us. You can surf puzzles
and conspiracies
hourly out there. There are many puzzle collectors. We arrange
conspiracy theories in funny little articles and hoarde the articles in
drawers, later to join them together when pieces fit. Get enough pieces,
I publish them under someone else's name in case they still kill people
for spreading anti-authoritarian material.

Researching conspiracies is not easy for me as I have the attention span
of a gnat, so I
need help all the time. YOU CANNOT ask a question of a search engine if
you don't already know the answer, or ask for an answer if you don't
know the question. That's a problem Luckily, I have smart tekkie
webpals, hackers who send me posts, news, clues and URLS.
So what else do PC phreaks do on a machine made of silicone, beach sand
and water? We SURF. And this is like trying to mine diamonds dodging
freeway traffic. You get a lot of lumps of coal and a lot of fenders in
your teeth.

Example of a lump of coal. Surfing one of the URLS my phreak pals had
sent, I arrived at the greatest sounding website. "THE WORLD'S BIGGEST
CONSPIRACY", a front page with a great graphic of black void lit by a
single, burning candle, really well done JAVA giving the cartoon candle
some flickering movement, and a little clickable URL sign like Alice in
Wonderland got, on a table with a cookie that said 'EAT ME" only this
one says "THE MYSTERIES ARE HERE --- SOMEWHERE. As I say, it was
underlined ---meaning it's an URL so I click, go to another
blank page with a few inscrutable words. "KEEP SEARCHING" underlined.
Tap. Soon I see it's a mobius loop. I go nowhere.

NO INDEX, no archive. I cannot abide websites that don't show the goods
fast, or have an
index and an

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #3

1999-08-08 Thread ric carter

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Re: [CTRL] Symbolisms of the Holy Grail

1999-08-08 Thread Lyn

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The version I read, there is no cup, no chalice.  ("The Holy Blood And the
Holy Grail" by Michael Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln.)

It is therein said to be a corruption of "Le Sang Real" - the royal blood,
meaning Christ's blood.   Allegedly the blood that escaped on a boat to
France and procreated (three children, James, Jesus and Mary, from memory).
It gets really interesting when you start looking at the Merovingians and
some of the Carolingians, early mediaeval kings of France, who are supposed
to have had some of this bloodline.

The Sang became "Saint" by the process San-greal then Saint.   They needed
a code so they started talking about the Holy Grail, i.e. Saint Grail.

All of this allegedly meaning the descendants of JC who are allegedly
waiting in the wings to take over the world as soon as the conditions are
suitably feudal.

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Re: [CTRL] quitting: FREE INTERNET ACCESS ~ NO MONTHLY BILL'S ~ NO ...

1999-08-08 Thread Aol user

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I could not send them an email when I clicked on it.
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[CTRL] [2] BETRAYAL - Our Occupation of Germany

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
BETRAYAL - Our Occupation of Germany
Arthur D. Rahn
Former Chief Editor of Intelligence Office of the Director of Information
Control
Office of Military Government, Germany
Book & Knowledge
Warsaw, Poland
pps. 237  (no date) out-of-print
-
--"The Nazi women living in the Highland Colony, a settlement built for elite
early members of the Nazi Party and for the participants in the 1923 Nazi
Putsch, not only refused to move when Kzler came with orders to evict them,
but even called American MPs and had the Kzler arrested for disturbing the
peace. An American MP told one Kzler that if he did not keep his mouth shut
about the situation in this Nazi housing colony, he would be sent back to
Dachau again. Many of these Nazi women, of course, were under the protection
of high American officers."--

---" NOT until I sat down to write this book and reflected on my experience
and organized my notes did I realize that what had seemed to me and my
friends in Germany to be a chaos of corruption and incompetence had actually
been a planned development following a very definite pattern. In fact, it has
become increasingly clear that the pattern of events in Germany from 1944 to
mid-1947 mirrored in sharp perspective what was happening at home in America.
Developments in Germany, too, have paralleled our actions in the United
Nations and our relations with the Soviet Union, Greece, Spain, China,
Britain, Israel — with the entire world."---

Om
K
--[2]--

CHAPTER TWO

The Democratic Potential

A Healthy Resentment

"I think that the victory of the American people and their allies in this war
will be far more than a victory against fascism and reaction and the dead
hand of despotism of the past. The victory of the American people and their
allies in this war will be a victory for democracy. It will constitute such
an affirmation of the strength and power and vitality of government by the
people as history has never before witnessed."
-From speech in Washington, September 23,1944.

WHAT the GIs expected, this overhauling of Germany, was a tall order. It
would have required the same kind of initiative, determination and enthusiasm
that the combat troops, who never wanted to return to Europe to fight another
war, had shown on the battlefield. And maybe even more, because this final
battle, the battle of the occupation, was to be waged in peacetime without
the inspiration and drive that's developed in war. In any event we were going
to have a hard job with these corrupted and apathetic Germans accustomed to
being ordered and to falling in line. They had been the only people in Europe
that had taken no organized large-scale action to assist in overthrowing
Nazism, even during the last weeks when the war had obviously become
hopeless. The French, Norwegians, Yugoslavs, Czechs and Poles and the
Hungarians and Roumanians too, had risen up to expel the in invader and to
overthrow their native fascists. But the Germans had failed. We had had to
liberate them from Nazism.

Unfortunately, however, it is not generally known that among the nazified
automatons, there were elements at the end of the war that could have been
propped up to lead a democratic crusade in Germany. The task of remaking the
nation would have been completely hopeless if we had had no possibility of
cooperation from the Germans themselves. At best, of course, the reliable
anti-Nazis or non-Nazis were very few in number. All of them had to be
mobilized in a unified effort against a possible resurgence of the Nazis and
for the democratic regeneration of the country.

As early as October, 1944, we had recognized the possibility of utilizing the
resentment of the civilians who had demonstrated in front of the Wehrmacht HQ
demanding the acceptance of our ultimatum. We had suffered a defeat in
neglecting this opportunity. But at the end of the war, the situation was
more favorable. With the intensification of the Nazi terror against the weary
German population from the time of the fall of Aachen to VE day, the
resentment against the Party leaders and the readiness for a democratic
regeneration had increased and spread among a larger portion of the
population.

The beginning of April, 1945, I went to Mainz to study this development in
the attitudes of the Germans. Mainz, a city about the same size as Aachen, a
little more than a hundred miles away, had experienced this intensification
of the resentment against the Nazis in the five months elapsing between its
fall (in mid-March, 1945) and the fall of Aachen (mid-October, 1944). When I
arrived in the city, I found the Mainzers still angry about the suffering
they had had to endure in the past few months. From conversations with a
varied group of citizens, I pieced together a history of the events before
the fall of the city and was able to appreciate the deep antagonism the
Mainzers bore the Party leaders.

On March 16th, just a week before we took Mainz, the retreating Nazi troops
had 

Re: [CTRL] a counter to the theory of "false memories"

1999-08-08 Thread Smart News

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Hi !

Below please find information on "false memories." The book and websites
below go into much great detail about these topics and people.

Sincerely,  Neil Brick

All accusations are alleged.


The following is from "Memory, Trauma Treatment and the Law" by Brown,
Scheflin and Hammond, C 1998, W. W. Norton Pub. Chapter 12, "The False Logic
of the False Memory Controversy and the Irrational Element in Scientific
Research on Memory" p. 383-384

"...In particular, the following positions asserted by extreme false memory
proponents are mistaken:

1. All or most therapists working with childhood sexual abuse believe in the
tape-recorder theory of memory.
2. Repressed memory does not exist, or, as Ofsche has stated, "repressed
memory is the scientific quackery of the twentieth century." (Ofsche, cited
in Loftus and Ketchum, 1994, p. 206)
3. There is only one "normal" model for memory, whether traumatic or
nontraumatic.
4. Memories of events are stored the way books are stored on library shelves
- as an entire unit.

Many trauma advocate and almost all memory researchers...adhere to a
multidimensional view of memory systems, and they correctly point out that
false memory advocates who apply research findings on normal autobiographical
memory to the domain of trauma have incorrectly assumed a unitary model of
memory

There is a growing corpus of scientific and clinical data in support of the
view that traumatic experiences are encoded and stored both as behavioral
memory and verbal memory, and that in certain instances the implicit,
behavioral memory for the trauma make take primacy over the verbal memory in
the form of behavioral reenactment and intrusive reexperiencing. normal
behavioral  memory in children and behavioral memory for trauma in children
and adults have been the subjects  of numerous scientific investigations.

Some false memory advocates consistently ignore these data. To ignore the
entire corpus of scientific data on implicit, behavioral memory because it
might lend credence to clinicians' description of unconcious behavioral
reenactments of trauma, which in turn might even justify memory recovery
techniques,  is poor scienceDismissing the validity of recovered memories
of abuse on the grounds that the memory is accompanied by somatic distress
(or a body memory) is neither logical nor scientific...Implicit memories,
which are not currently available to consciousness, nevertheless exert
influence on thoughts and behaviors (Graf & Masson 1993)..."

Excerpts from : http://idealist.com/tat/97-07-01-unsilent.shtml

Unsilent Witness: Ralph Underwager And The FMSF
by Stephanie J. Dallam, RN, MSN, FNP

Originally published in Treating Abuse Today,
Vol. 7, No. 1, Jan/Feb 1997, pp. 31-39
Copyright ©1997, SAVE

In a study supported by a 1988 grant from the New England Commissioners of
Child Welfare Agencies, Anna Salter, Ph.D. (1992) analyzed the scholarly and
factual errors in the expert testimony and writings of Underwager and
Wakefield. With full references and citations, Salter analyzed the ways that
they often misstate research results in attempts to aid defendants accused of
molesting children. Salter enumerates the following problems with their work:

•The research they cite sometimes simply does not say what they say it does.
•They frequently cite research in a context where the unsuspecting reader
would erroneously infer that the research relates to sexual abuse. •They
frequently cite a minor finding of a study out of context in situations in
which had they quoted it in context, it would not have supported their
position. •They will use a minor or outdated comment of an author as
representing his/her position when they are aware it does not represent the
author's position. •They state positions as facts when there is no research
evidence to substantiate their claims. •They simply ignore contrary evidence.
•They extrapolate beyond the limits of the data. •They leave crucial
information out of quotations. •They cite studies of adults in places where
the unwary reader would assume they were referring to studies of children,
without noting that they are of adults. •They make numerous logical errors.
•The citations themselves are so filled with errors that it is difficult to
find many of them.

John E. B. Myers (1990), a law professor at McGeorge School of Law
(University of the Pacific), reviewed Accusations of child sexual abuse for
The Michigan Law Review. In his view, "The overriding failure of Accusations
of child sexual abuse is its abdication of objectivity.

Excerpts from http://fmsf.com/clinical.shtml - IMO, this is an anti-FMS site

False Memory Syndrome
Clinical Practice Issues
False Memory Syndrome Facts Website

See the website of Kenneth S. Pope, Ph.D., ABPP, Abuse, Memory, Science and
Malpractice for information about his two articles, Memory, Abuse, and
Science: Questioning Claims About the False Memory Syndrome Epidemic (1996),
and its follow-up, Scien

Re: [CTRL] Passing the Buck

1999-08-08 Thread Das GOAT

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>The massive laogai, a system of more than 1000 prison camps in China,
>imprisons 8 million men, women and children in factories, farms and other
>facilities producing a wide range of products, including many for export to
>the United States. It also presents unfair competition to [non-slave] labor
in
>China and elsewhere, including the United States.
>
>The laogai system was set up to deal with the millions of suspected and real
>opponents of the Chinese dictatorship.

Future of the "service" economy here in the USA, after Y2K and martial law ?

Many "sweatshops" in Asia already have their workers sleeping and eating
on-site in
company-owned "dormitories," surrounded by barbed wire fences and security.

Even short of martial law, a stock market collapse would be ideal as
justifying creation of a somewhat more sinister form of Depression-era
"Public Work" compounds for the millions of newly unemployed -- the only way
to obtain shelter and three meals a day.

That's "progress" for ya, back to the squalor of the mid-19th C. Industrial
Revolution ...

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[CTRL] President Clinton's Gypsy Roots

1999-08-08 Thread Cathy Laughlan

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So Hillary has Jewish roots?  Bill's got her beat with this one...

From:

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Date:
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insight
into what has been happening in Scotland, snipped from the Scottish
media -
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President Clinton's Gypsy Relations
When Charles Faa Blyth was crowned king of the gypsies in 1898, at the
"Gipsy Palace" in Kirk Yetholm, near the border with England, a crowd of

10,000 watched the event. Charles Blyth was the last of the gipsy kings
and
now his "palace" (consisting of one bedroom, living room kitchen and
tiny
bathroom) is up for sale. In the 19th century, a number of Charles
Blyth's
relatives emigrated to America and President Clinton is said to be
descended from one of them (his mother was a Blyth). Gypsy's have been
connected with the Scottish Borders for 500 years when King James V
recognised "our lovit Johnne Faa, lord and earle of Little Egipt." A
cottage was made available to the gypsies at Yetholm at the end of the
17th
century.

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[CTRL] Kennedy Clan - Scottish Roots

1999-08-08 Thread Cathy Laughlan

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Scottish Snippets - 7 August 1999
Date:
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CLAN/FAMILY NAMES

Kennedy

The Kennedy family became associated with the south-west of Scotland
when
'Cunedda', (which means 'grim-headed'), a chieftain of the Votadini
(located in what is now Lothian) was sent to establish settlements there
at
a time when Gaelic was the main language there. The name is particularly

associated with Carrick in Ayrshire. In early times it was a forename
and
therefore is found initially as 'MacKenedi' and the name is found as
early
as the reign of William the Lion (1165-1214).  The Kennedy's claimed to
be
related to the Earls of Carrick and supported Robert the Bruce who came
from that line. In 1372, King Robert II confirmed John Kennedy of Dunure
as
chief of the clan and in 1457 John's direct descendant, Gilbert, was
created Lord Kennedy. He was one of the regents of the infant King James

III. The 3rd Lord Kennedy was created Earl of Cassillis but died four
years
later at Flodden in 1513. The 10th Earl of Cassillis engaged Robert Adam
to
build the magnificent Culzean Castle at the end of the 18th century. The

11th Earl had settled in America and although he tried to be impartial
in
the War of Independence, many of his New York properties were
confiscated,
including Number 1, Broadway which was taken over by George Washington.
In
the Napoleonic Wars, Sir Clark Kennedy personally captured the eagle and

colours of the 105th Regiment of French Infantry at the Battle of
Waterloo.
Kennedys spread to other parts of Scotland, in particular to Morayshire
and
Perthshire. Another branch settled in Lochaber and Skye where they
became
known as Clan Ulric and became a sept of Clan Cameron. The Kennedy name
also arose in Ireland (notably the ancestors of President John F
Kennedy)
and many Irish Kennedys emigrated to Scotland.

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[CTRL] U.S. Anti-Drug Official's Wife Faces Drug Charge

1999-08-08 Thread Cathy Laughlan


http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19990807/ts/drugs_colombia_2.html

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - The wife of a U.S. Army officer
fighting drug trafficking in Colombia has been accused of
smuggling 15.8 pounds of cocaine into the United States,
possibly unwittingly, the New York Times reported Saturday.Laurie Anne Hiett, wife of Col. James Hiett who headed U.S.
military operations in Colombia until last week, was released by
a New York court on $150,000 bail Thursday.She is accused of sending six packages of pure cocaine with
a street value of as much as $230,000 to addresses in New York
City through the embassy mail service, identifying the contents
on U.S. customs forms as books, candy, a T-shirt, candles or
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of mixing fighting drugs with battling rebels.Hiett has admitted mailing the packages, which she marked
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so at the request of Jorge Alfonso Ayala, an embassy chauffeur
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according to a criminal complaint filed Thursday in Federal
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were named in the complaint as receiving the packages. Timla
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[CTRL] seal of solomon/star of david

1999-08-08 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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hi,

In the elizabethen eras works of Dr John Dee, and reflected within the
ancient cultures of the world is the image of the 'reptilian'.
A species which may be indigenous to this planet - quite apart from the
ones who may have travelled from elsewhere [cf. Dogon Tribe].

The evolved, intelligent and surviving dinosaur was finding its way into
the parish records of Scotlands western isles up to the 17th Century - the
'blue men of the minch' from which Glasgow takes its name. The famous
researcher the Reverend Robert Kirk wrote his treatise on the Secret
Commonwealth of Elves, fauns and faeries in 1697ad - and spoke of how these
beings could 'crystallise shells' around them, abduct children, and put
hybrid 'changelings' in their place.
Kirk of Aberfoyle Scotland could claim to be one of Scotlands first
contactees on record -

With a long history of Earthbound
Reptilian/Grey/Djinn/Faeries/Kobolds/Trolls etc an ages old belief system
or Mythology spanning back to the time of Solomon, I would like to draw
ones attention to one of the most recurrent symbolic themes in the sketches
drawn by 'abductees' - that of the triangle.
The 'Greys' etc have triangular logos.

I would conjecture that the 'Seal of Solomon' or 'Star of David' known by
kabbalists and ethnologists as a symbol of 'controlling' elemental forces,
ties in with some ancient and historic pact which may have been made
amongst Earths earliest inhabitants - a holistic representation of 'Unity'
and of appeal to some power - real or imagined - of the Eldest of Earths
Races - responded to -
perhaps - with the power and effect which may render todays crop circles.

Andrew Hennessey

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[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: From the Hells Fire Club to the Bohemian Club?

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan






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The information related here is from High Wycombe and the official
publication when Lord le Desencer, or Dashwood as he is better know,
re-opened the tombs in which Benjamin Franklin, who had been accused of
being a satanist and a devil worshiper, and a womanizer, had been
initiated . not to mention that when William Hogarth, who painted
the picture of the old Hells Fire Club, engraved in characters dear the
legend of this famous club - but these were the Illluminati, the Masonic
Order of the Day, the Aristocratsand Sir Francis Dashwood at the
time, wasChancellor of the Exchequer

During WWII the mighty 12 O'Clock High Air Force was stationed at High
Wycombe; the original in their own way  Black Sheep who flew he bombers
over Germany and some of the bombs, the plates of William Hogarth had
been melted down (copper plates) and dropped with ove to Hitler, from
Wiliam Hogarth. No offense to the Germans intended;  I still love the
Red Baron, and have his picture on my mantle.

HISTORY OF THE HELLS FIRE CAVES

(There is in this the picture of Sir Franci Dahwood, Lord le Depencer,
dressed as the Pope, indicating they were anti=Pope from a contmporary
painting.)  In the background, of course - a statue of  Diana...

The Hell Fire Caves wre originally excavaed some 250 years ago by Sir
Francis Dashwood, Lord le Despencer, Chancellor of the Exchequerin
1762/3.  Te halk was used to make the present main road between HIgh
Wycombe and Wet Wycombe; the old road ran furthr to the osuth along the
park wal, but so many carriges used to overturn in the ruts and  mud,
that it became most inconvient.   The completion of the new road was
marked in 1752 (and 200 years later to the year, the caves were reopened
by Dashwoods descendent)  by the erection of the Pedestal which still
sands at the junction of his road and the Aylesbury Road.

The Caves or Tombs are said to hve been subsequently used for the
meetings of the MONKS OF MEDMENHAM"  or the Knights of St. Francis of
Wycombe".   This ociety wasgenrally called the "Hell Fire Club".  Their
regular eeting place was at Medenham Abbey, abut eight miles away, where
dressed as Franciscan Monks, they induled in evry conceivable form of
vice and perversion, including the practice of Black Mass (now this is
your Bohemian Cluband they have a waiting list for members).The
Poet Charles Churchill, a mmber of the Club, refrred to their activities
in these words:

"Whilst womanhood in habit of a nun,
 At Medman lies, by backwood monks undone".

The Club started in about 1750 with twelve original "Brothers" who
elected an "Abbott" each year.  The privileged position was held by,
among others, Sir Thomas Stapleton (Thomas de Greys, Abbott) and Sir
Francis Dashwood (Franci of Wycomb).

THE BROTHERS ARE GIVEN A PSEUDONYM to conceal their actual identities.
John Wilkes became John of Aylesbury, and Paul Whitehead, a tward of the
Club was known as Paul the Aged (straight out of the Acts in the Bible).
Medmenhan Abbey was used at weekends throughut most of the year, whilst
about twice each summer, a Chapter or Full Meeting, lasting several days
was convened.

On the occasions, "Nuns" wre introduced and the Club's Constitution
required them to be of "cheerful, lively disposition, to improve the
genral hilarity of the company" (and that sure sounds like something Ben
Franklin wrote)At first these "Nuns" consisted of the wive of ocal
squires, but when their husbands discovered what ws happening, and
objected, les reputable women wer procured from London.

Although the Abbey was stil being used by the Club in 1770 the
Brotherhood of St. Francis really broke up in 1763 as a result of
political disagreements   (these were over really the pending American
Revolution as the club divided on this also)   among the members and a
practical joke.

John Wilkes (who's great-great grandson was John Wilkes Boothe through
the mother) had secretly hidden a baboon dresed as the Devil in a box in
the chapel.  He later releasedit during a Black Mass service, and the
wretched animal leapt onto the back of Lord Sandwich , who, terrified
out of his wits ran out of the chapel shouting "Spare me gracioius
Devil, thou knowest I was only fooling:.  There were many other meetings
which were held in the Caves or Tombs.

THE ROBING ROOM

Note:  This Bohemian Club puts on red robes I understand.

The Hell Fire Caves run in a northrly direction under West Wycombe hill;
they were cutout in a symbolic and suggestive manner to form a uitable
setting for the wild orgies of these eighteenth century rakes - the
entrance is through a large Gothic courtyard with wals of fint which
resembles a roofless church; a low vaulted pasage leadsnorthwards into
the bowel ofWet Wycombe Hil..

A hort way from the entrance you come to a small chamber on the right of
the pasage caled the Robing Roomthis was ued for storing waxed
tapers and candles and may also have been ued as a dres

[CTRL] Cybercrime cases up 43 percent

1999-08-08 Thread Eagle 1

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>>
Study: Cybercrime cases up 43 percent
By Kevin Poulsen, ZDNet News
August 5, 1999 6:54 PM ET

Federal law enforcement agencies referred a record number of computer crime
cases for prosecution last year, but most of them were rejected by
government attorneys, according to a legal journal report released
Wednesday.

The report, authored by attorney and electronic privacy advocate David
Banisar, and based on data obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by
the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, appears in this week's
Criminal Justice Weekly. It's believed to be the first independent analysis
of the government's war on computer crime.

In all, investigators from the FBI and other agencies offered 419 computer
crime cases to federal prosecutors in 1998, up 43 percent from 1997, and
more than three times as many as in 1992. At the same time, prosecutors
filed charges in only 83 cases.

That ratio of referrals to prosecutions, approximately 5 to 1, is
significantly lower than the overall rate for federal prosecutions in all
categories. In 1998, Banisar said, there were 132,772 referrals at the
federal level, and 82,071 prosecutions, or about one prosecution for every
1.6 referrals.

FBI: Hard to prove

"Computer crime is terribly hard to prove," says FBI spokesperson Debbie
Weierman. "Every one is handled on a case by case basis, and I can't give
you a general reason for the difference in figures."

According to the report, each year between 1992 and 1998, the Department of
Justice has declined to prosecute between 64 percent and 78 percent of the
cases brought to them. Forty percent of the rejected cases cited lack of
evidence of criminal intent, weak or insufficient admissible evidence, or no
evident federal offense. Another 15 percent were referred to state
authorities for prosecution. The remaining cases may be outstanding, or
reclassified under another category.

A former assistant United States attorney said he is not surprised by the
results, and that in many ways computer crime cases are unique.

"There are serious evidentiary questions and jurisdictional questions in
these cases," says Mark Rasch, a former computer crime prosecutor, now
working as a computer security consultant for Global Integrity, based in
Virginia. "Law enforcement may be presenting you with a perfectly good case,
against a defendant in Kuala Lumpur."

Moreover, he said, "Juveniles are frequently the ones that get caught. So
while the FBI may be able to put together a perfectly cohesive case against
a juvenile, that's the kind of case that may be declined by the United
States Attorney's office by their discretion."

Unique challenges

Justice officials hadn't reviewed the statistics, but agreed that there are
unique challenges to prosecuting computer crime.

In 1998, the average sentence for those convicted was five months, with over
half of the defendants receiving no jail time. Since 1992, 196 people have
been convicted and 84 imprisoned in cases classified as federal computer
crimes.

Only 57 cases reached disposition last year, 47 ending in convictions,
primarily in plea agreements, and 10 ending with the status of "not
successful" -- a category that includes dismissals and not-guilty verdicts.

Of the cases that ended in 1998, the FBI initiated the most, with 21
convictions, and eight unsuccessful prosecutions. The Secret Service,
Treasury Department and IRS claim the remaining 28 convictions and two
failed prosecutions, says Banisar, a columnist for the legal journal, and
co-author of The Electronic Privacy Papers.

Because referrals can take years to become prosecutions, direct correlation
from year to year is a tricky matter, Banisar cautioned. But he said the
overall statistics are telling.
"For an issue that the federal government is making such a major deal out
of, trying to stop computer crime and information warfare, there's
remarkably few prosecutions," he said.

Kevin Poulsen writes a weekly column for ZDTV's CyberCrime.
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[CTRL] Symbolisms of the Holy Grail

1999-08-08 Thread Eagle 1



Thought this may be of interest to some:
 
>>
6-Aug-99 -- ZENIT News Agency 
TRUTH AND SYMBOLISM OF HOLY GRAIL
Revelations Surrounding Valencia's Sacred Chalice 
MADRID, AUG 5 (ZENIT).- Salvador Antuñano Alea, professor of Ethics and 
Sacred Scripture at the Francisco de Vitoria University Center in Madrid, has 
just published a book on the relic believed to be the chalice used by Jesus 
Christ during the Last Supper, and at present kept in the Valencia Cathedral. 
The title of the book is, "The Mystery of the Holy Grail: Tradition and Legend 
of the Sacred Chalice." 
"If Indiana Jones had visited Valencia, he would have paid no attention to 
old medieval legends, and he would have saved himself all the dangers of 'The 
Last Crusade,' " Antuñano humorously affirms in the book's opening line. Over 
the length of 220 pages, the author reviews the tradition that envelops the 
Sacred Chalice, including archaeological research on its use in the Last Supper, 
its use by the first Popes of Christianity, it relocation to Spain, medieval 
legends, its stay in the Monastery of St. John of la Peña, and its first entry 
into documented history at the end of the 14th century. 
The author finally brings together the negative publicity and damages it has 
been subjected to since then, as well as its use by John Paul II during a Mass 
celebrated in Valencia in November, 1992. 
According to tradition, the Grail was the chalice from which Jesus and his 
disciples drank during the Last Supper. It is a proper cup, to which a gold 
structure with two handles has been added. The piece is 17 centimeters high. The 
cup is semispherical, about 3.5 inches in diameter and made of dark red agate. 
Archaeological studies reveal the work was done in a Palestinian or Egyptian 
workshop between the 4th century B.C. and the 1st century A.D. 
At the Dawn of Christianity This cup, connected with the first Eucharist, 
could not have been forgotten after the Redeemer's death, all the more so since 
the disciples met several times afterwards in the Cenacle. This is the 
explanation for the Sacred Chalice's appearance in Rome. According to tradition, 
it was brought from Jerusalem by St. Peter. Two and a half centuries passed, 
with clear indications that the chalice was used by the early Pontiffs to 
celebrate Mass. According to Antuñano, "What most impresses the researcher is 
the Roman liturgical canon of the first Popes. At the moment of consecration, 
they literally said: 'take this glorious chalice,' referring strictly to 'this' 
[one]." (Here Antuñano is referring to the official Latin text, "hunc praeclarum 
calicem." The current U.S. English translation is simply, "the cup.") 
History records that during the persecution of Emperor Valerian, shortly 
before his death at the hands of the Romans, Pope Sixtus II gave relics, 
treasures and money to his deacon Lawrence, a native of Huesca, Spain, who was 
also martyred, but not before sending the Eucharistic Chalice to his native 
city, accompanied by a letter. This was in the year 258 or, according to some 
authors, 261. 
The cup remained in Huesca until the Moslem invasion. Bishop Audeberto of 
Huesca left his city with the Sacred Chalice in 713, and took refuge in the 
Mount Pano caves, where the hermit John of Atares lived. Later, the monastery of 
St. John of la Peña was founded and developed here. It was from here that a 
nucleus of determined men left to undertake the re-conquest of Spain from the 
Moslems. This struggle had epic proportions, which were not ignored by literary 
creativity. According to historians of literature, this was the origin or source 
of the famous poems of Chretien de Troyes and Wolfram von Eschenbach, about the 
hero Percival (Parzival). Eschenbach's epic later inspired Wagner's opera, 
"Parsifal." In all these poems there is a marvelous Cup, which is called "Graal" 
or "Grail" and whose link with the Sacred Chalice is easy to understand. 
The presence of the Sacred Chalice in St. John of la Peña is attested by a 
document dated December 14, 1134. On September 26, 1399, the Chalice went to 
Zaragoza for safekeeping, at the request of the King of Aragon, Martin the 
Human. In the text of offer, which is kept in Barcelona, there is evidence that 
the Sacred Chalice was sent from Rome with a letter of St. Lawrence. During the 
reign of Alfonso the Magnanimous, the relic was moved to Valencia. Since March 
18, 1437, it has been kept in the Cathedral of that city, according to a 
document which refers to it as "the Chalice in which Jesus Christ consecrated 
the blood on the Thursday of the Supper." 
The Most Dramatic and Sublime Story of Humanity "The Sacred Chalice is not 
known sufficiently either within or outside of Spain," Antuñano, a Mexican 
living in Spain, states; he believes its "value is not in scientific rigor fully 
attested, even if archaeology itself has no objections to its authenticity, but 
in the symbolism of the Lord's Supper. It is valuabl

[CTRL] Drudge: Chinese Military Book Adocates 'War of the Future' against America (fwd)

1999-08-08 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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XX DRUDGE REPORT EXCLUSIVE XX SATURDAY, AUGUST 07, 1999 18:59:25 ET XX

CHINESE MILITARY BOOK ADVOCATES TERRORISM, COMPUTER WARFARE IN
'WAR OF THE FUTURE' AGAINST AMERICA

According to publishing sources, the Sunday WASHINGTON POST will
feature an explosive front page article exploring a new book by
two Chinese colonels who advocate "terrorism, narcotics
trafficking, drug smuggling, environmental degradation and
computer viruses" as methods to defeat America in the "war of the
future"!

POST reporter John Pomfret was granted a rare interview in
Beijing with Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui, the authors of
"Unrestricted War" -- both of whom express a deep fear of an
America that imposes its ways around the world through various
methods including war.

"If today you impose your value systems on a European country,
tomorrow you can do the same to Taiwan or Tibet," Wang Xiangsui,
a member of the Chinese air force, told the POST.

"We are a weak country,'' Xiangsui said, "so do we need to fight
according to your rules? No... War has rules but those rules are
set by the West, but if you use those rules then weak countries
have no chance. But if you use non-traditional means to fight,
like those employed by financiers to bring down financial
systems, then you have a chance."

In all, "Unrestricted War" describes 24 unconventional forms of
warfare which the two militarymen advocate should be used in
multiple combinations.

"We realized that if China's military was to face off against the
United States, we would not be sufficient. So we realized that
China needs a new strategy to right the balance of power,"
Xiangsui told Pomfret.

Liang and Xiangsui write in their book that "Unrestricted War is
a war that surpasses all boundaries and restrictions... It takes
non-military forms and military forms and creates a war on many
fronts. It is the war of the future."

DEVELOPING HOT...


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[CTRL] Y2K Film's death is cause for concern (fwd)

1999-08-08 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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Thursday, July 29, 1999

 Film's death is
 cause for
 concern
 Decision to kill Y2K
 suggests Washington
 has millennium fears

 Jonathan Chevreau


 Financial Post

 Hollywood has killed the film Y2K,
 an event that should cause investors
 to question how much they are
 being permitted to know about the
 true state of the Year 2000
 computer problem.

 The Boston Globe reported July 25
 that Warner Brothers cancelled
 plans for its Y2K disaster flick
 partly because, as its producer
 described it, there was a lack of
 faith in the ability of audiences to
 discern the difference between
 fictional and real-world computer
 disruptions.

 In the movie, Chris O'Donnell was
 to play a computer programmer who
 discovers a Y2K-related bug that
 could render New York City
 security systems vulnerable to
 terrorists.



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[CTRL] Bill "The AntiChrist" Gates III?

1999-08-08 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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A friend just sent this to me.  Anyone tried this excel thing???

I have personally experienced several similar animations (fun
ones, though, i.e., not sick or morose like the below described
back door) that programmers at Microsft built into Win 3.X, so I
wouldn't be surprised if MANY such things exist in most software.
How large is Win98...about 15-18 Meg?  Doesn't that seem a large
step up from its predicessors?  I don't know for sure, but that
always seemed HUGE to me, for efficient code writers and for what
the program does that the preceeding products didn't???



--begin forward--

Did you know that Bill Gates' real name is William Henry Gates
III? Nowadays, he is known as Bill Gates (III) where III means
the order of third.  So what's so eerie about this name?  Well,
if you take all the letters in Bill Gates III and then convert it
into ASCII code (American Standard Code for Info Interchange) and
then add up all the numbers You will get 666, which is the
number of the beast:

B = 66
I = 73
L = 76
L = 76
G = 71
A = 65
T = 84
E = 69
S = 83
I = 1
I = 1
I = 1

Add these numbers and they equal 666.  Coincidence?  Perhaps
Maybe, but take Windows 95 and do the same procedure and you will
get 666 also.  And even MS-DOS 6.31 adds up to 666.

Still think it is coincidence?  Stay with meit gets better.

For those of you who still have the old excel 95 (not office 97)
try this out (this really works):

1 - Open a new file
2 - Scroll down to row 95
3 - Click on the row 95 button to highlight the entire row
4 - Press tab to move to the second column
5 - Now, move your mouse and click on help at the top
6 - Then click on "about Microsoft excel"
7 - Press ctrl-alt-shift and click on the tech support button at
the same time.

A window will appear with the title THE HALL OF TORTURED SOULS.
This is really eerie, okay!  It has a doom style format and you
can walk all around the hall using the arrow keys.  On the sides
of the walls are the names of the tortured souls now walk up
the stairs and then come back down, facing the blank wall.  Now
type in EXCELKFA; this will open the blank wall to reveal another
secret passage, walk through the passage and do not fall off.
This is difficult to do. When you get to the end you will see
something really, really eerie.

As of this point in time, countless witnesses all over the world
have verified that it is a real eye opener.  It could be a joke
by MS programmers.  Or is it?  Would it be too surprising if Bill
Gates was the antichrist?  After all, the bible foretold that
someone powerful would rise up and lead the world to destruction
And Bill Gates definitely has this kind of power in his hands.
More than 80% of computers in the world today run on windows and
DOS (including those at the Pentagon).  If all of his products
have some kind of small program embedded, like this "hall of
tortured souls", that can give him control to set off nuclear
arsenals, create havoc in security systems and financial systems
all over the world, etc.; all from his headquarters.

This isn't too far from reality.  Just using the Internet
Explorer may just allow him to map out what you have on your
computer bit by bit each time you log on.  Perhaps the end of
time is near and this is just the tip of the iceberg?

Quote from the Bible:  "He also forced everyone, small and great,
rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right
hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless
he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of
his name.  This calls for wisdom.  If anyone has insight, let him
calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number.  His
number is 666."  Revelation 13:16-18

This is something you should think about.  If the Bible, in the
book of Revelations, says that without the sign of the beast, one
would not be able to buy, sell, do business transactions, etc.,
then my question to you now is this

Is the Internet a necessity today for doing business?  The
Internet also bears the sign.  Note that the Internet is often
referred to as the... World Wide Web, or www. Another way to
write W is V/ or VI.

WWW
VIVIVI
6  6  6

Here is something to ponder.  Isn't everything going towards the
Internet? (i.e., buying, selling, business transactions)  Isn't
Microsoft always on the move to have a monopoly when it comes to
software technology?  And now the Internet?

Revelations also says that the mark of the beast will be carved
on one's hand and on one's forehead.  If the Internet would
indeed be the beast, aren't we all starting to carry it on our
hands and foreheads?  The screen is the forehead and the hand
uses the mouse.

Are things finally starting to fall into place or are we just
letting our imagination run  Remember, the devil came to
cheat, steal and to destroy.  So, be vigilant about Bill Gates
and Microsoft!

Coincidence?


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[CTRL] N. Korea To Acquire 40 MiG-21's.

1999-08-08 Thread William Shannon

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WIRE:Aug. 6, 11:57 p.m. ET
Report: North Korea to acquire 40 MiG-21 jets






 AP News Service

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) _ North Korea has agreed to buy 40  MiG-21 fighter
jets from a former Soviet republic, a South Korean  newspaper reported
Saturday.

Parts for the planes began arriving in North Korea by air in  July, and the
Stalinist state is assembling the jets in secret  bases, the daily Chosun
Ilbo said.

The respected newspaper cited a high-ranking government official  but did not
identify the exporting country.

The report came amid reported preparations by North Korea to  test a
long-range missile despite American warnings to scrap the  launch.

Chosun said South Korea would look into where impoverished North  Korea found
money to buy the planes.

Hit by five years of floods and drought, as well as ongoing  economic
mismanagement, North Korea is dependent on outside aid to  ease widespread
food shortages.

But concern has persisted among South Korean officials that  North Korea may
be diverting some of the aid money for military  use.

``We are paying close attention to details of the newspaper  report'' on the
plane purchase, said Capt. Park Kyun-yoel, a  spokesman for the South Korean
defense ministry.

North Korea's 1.1 million-strong military, the world's fifth  largest and the
backbone of the communist regime, relies largely on  weapons from the former
Soviet Union.

The two Koreas remain technically at war after the 1950-53  Korean War ended
without a peace treaty. Their border is the  world's most heavily armed.

Some 37,000 U.S. troops are stationed in South Korea under a  defense treaty
with the Seoul government.


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[CTRL] Fwd: Alabama Killer-No Memory of Shootings!

1999-08-08 Thread Kris Millegan





8.7.99
Alabama Mass Murderer Has No Memory of Shootings
Recipients--
In classic, MK-Ultra/"Manchurian Candidate" fashion, Alan Eugene Miller
(there's that standard 3-name designation used for nearly all
MK-Ultra/Manchurian mind controlled assassins) doesn't remember a thing
about what actually happened when he killed three people in Alabama Thursday.

Just like the shooter in the Conyers Georgia school shooting incident
May 20.

But what about Mark Barton, who ended a total of 13 lives in Atlanta on
July 29? He killed himself.

Now think about Benjamin Smith, the July 4th supremacist shooter who
murdered three people that holiday weekend. Smith, when finally
apprehended by law enforcement, killed himself. The Vegas supermarket
shooter remember THAT one?) was about to kill himself but was talked out
of it by police.

Harris and Klebold? Well… they sure ended up dead, though we feel the
evidence shows somebody else "suicided" them.

What this clearly indicates is that perpetrators of these horrendous,
bizarre, brutal and above all incomprehensible mass killings either end
up dead themselves, or else HAVE NO CLEAR MEMORY OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE!

This is a MAJOR clue that in probably almost every case these mass
murderers are mind-controlled, programmed zomboids to the max who are
victims/subjects/(unwitting) agents of (covert) government mind control
operations; and, just in case the suicide programming doesn't hold (it's
tough to make someone want to kill themselves even when they ARE
massively mind controlled) and they DON'T end up dead by whatever other
means, their programming is such that they blank out or forget their own actions.

These are STANDARD MK-Ultra style procedures.

This genuinely unbelievable spate of mass killings which is now
terrorizing the United States is NOT some incredible series of
coincidences. The entire phenomenon is being PLANNED, SCRIPTED, STAGED,
and IMPLEMENTED from the higher levels of our "control system"… uh, I
mean "government".

This government clearly has utter contempt for human life and for the
most fundamental and INALIENABLE of human RIGHTS. This is a government
of unrestrained gangsterism and malevolence.

We MUST wake up to this fact QUICKLY, and FORCE the truth behind this
madness into the open.

John Quinn/NewsHawk Inc.


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = 
Check excerpts from the article--
Prosecutors hint at motive in Alabama
shootings

August 6, 1999
Web posted at: 9:59 p.m. EDT (0159 GMT)

>From staff and wire reports

COLUMBIANA, Alabama (CNN) --
… Miller allegedly shot two co-workers to death Thursday at Ferguson
Enterprises, a heating and air conditioning company where he drove a
delivery truck, and then drove five miles to Post Airgas Co., where he
previously worked, and allegedly killed a third person.

An employee at Post Airgas, where Miller had been laid-off, told police
that Miller once said he "would see that they got theirs."

…Sources said that under questioning, Miller told authorities he didn't
remember going to the murder scenes, or anything else about the killings.

But witnesses, who survived after pleading for their lives, said Miller
was the shooter, according to the prosecutor.

"It seems overwhelming, it is very strong, there's witnesses in both
locations," said Johnson about the case against his client. He also
described Miller as "confused" when he spoke with him at the police
department Thursday.

"He looked like a deer caught in the headlights," said Johnson, who
wants Miller to undergo a psychiatric examination.




[CTRL] Judicial Watch Opens Office in California (fwd)

1999-08-08 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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August 8, 1999-


Judicial Watch Opens Office in
California

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

   LOS ANGELES -- Judicial Watch, the conservative
   Washington organization that has filed more than
40 lawsuits against the Clinton administration and
others, seeking evidence of alleged corruption, has
opened its first satellite office in the nation in a suburb
of Los Angeles.

Leaders of the group say they will use the location, in
San Marino, Calif., to handle its litigation stemming
from what they broadly call Chinagate, the involvement
of foreign money in the 1996 presidential campaign.
Opening the office made sense, they said, because many
of the figures involved in the litigation live in Southern
California.

Judicial Watch said it also intended to begin
monitoring, on a state level, the performance of judges
and judicial "activism," a term usually used to describe
liberal judges who apply the law in unusual ways.
"We'll try to monitor and provide a balanced report on
what is really going on in the courtroom," said Mike
Pendleton, Judicial Watch's lawyer here.

The organization's leaders say they have no political
agenda and are only trying to root out corruption and
encourage judges to take a restrained approach to the
law.

But Democrats in California see the group as a
Republican front. According to financial statements
filed by Judicial Watch, the organization received
$800,000 in grants last year from foundations
controlled by Richard Mellon Scaife, the conservative
millionaire and Clinton critic. In Washington, the group
has filed dozens of lawsuits seeking information on
subjects that include the propriety of the release of FBI
files and the selection of Democratic contributors to
participate in overseas trade missions.

News of Judicial Watch's arrival in California has
unsettled some in Democratic legal and political
circles. Adam Schiff, a Democrat who is the chairman
of the state Senate judiciary committee and who
recently held hearings on judicial independence from
other branches of government, has expressed concern
about how judges may be affected by Judicial Watch's
attention.

Schiff's spokesman, Paul Hubler, said "Judges shouldn't
have to be looking over their shoulder when they make
legal decisions."

Before he was hired to run Judicial Watch's western
office, Pendleton monitored judicial nominations and
appointments for the Free Congress Foundation, a
conservative group that favors a culture based on
Judeo-Christian values.

Larry Klayman, one of the Judicial Watch founders,
said the organization opened the California office
because a large number of its supporters are in the state
and because California is at the forefront of
governmental and legal issues. "It's an important state
when it comes to issues of judicial activism and
conduct," Klayman said.


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[CTRL] DARK MOTHER CEREMONY

1999-08-08 Thread Nicola Molloy

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Prayer warriors necessary please. Knowledge is power. NB No one can
separate us from the love of God.
Nicky

Marian MacNeil wrote:
>
> UFOTruth - http://UFOTruth.listbot.com
>
> http://sites.netscape.net/hornbyhealing/homepage
> OR to
> PattiJeane Spencer's website: http://www.angel-light.com/prayers2.htm
> To view the Star Matrixs.
>
>
>
> Date:  Aug 07 1999 11:38:09 EDT
> From:  "Richard J. Boylan, Ph.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject:  Fw: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Notice of timing for the Sacred Matrix Symbol
> - Worldwide ]
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Loren Zephier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> From: "pure.essence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Notice of timing for the Sacred Matrix Symbol -
> >Worldwide ]
> >Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:11:27 -0700
>
> (Note: This information does not represent the official PA'O's point
> > > of view and it does not support nor condemn the content of this
> > > information. Each individual is left to his/her discernment as to the
> > > validity of the information.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Eamonn O,Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >WORLDWIDE CEREMONY FOR UNITY AND
> > > HARMONY OF OUR HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS
> > > MATRIX
> > > PROJECT
> > > AUGUST
> > > 11th
> > > NEWSAUGUST 5th,1999. I ask everyone to please have patience with our
> > > return replies...we are getting hits from everywhere in the world on
> > > this Sacred Symbol THE SYMBOL HAS NOW BEEN CONFIRMED AS APPEARING
> > > IN A CROP CIRCLE NEAR STONEHENGE.  VERIFICATION HAS BEEN DONE IN
> > > REGARDS TO THE DARK MOTHER CEREMONY AND IT IS SCHEDULED TO GO ON THE
> > > 10TH UNTIL THE 14 THE OF AUG.1999.THIS CEREMONY IS BEING CONDUCTED
> > > WITH ITS CENTRAL FOCUS IN EYGPT WITH RADIATING SUPPORT GROUPS FROM
> > > AROUND THE WORLD. OUR TASK IS TO CONTERACT THIS CEREMONY.  THIS IS A
> > > DOORWAY TO A CONSCIOUSNESS SHIFT TO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AWARENESS
> > > OF OUR REALITY.  TO SHIFT CONSCIOUSNESS FROM THIS DUALISTIC POINT OF
> > > VIEW WE ALL NEED TO PLAY OUR PART.  AS THIS OTHER ORGANIZATION APPLIES
> > > PRESSURE ON THIS DOORWAY TO KEEP IT CLOSED, WE MUST APPLY AN EQUAL
> > > PRESSURE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.  THIS WAY THE DOORWAY DISAPPEARS AND WE
> > > BEGIN OUR SHIFT. THE FOCUS OF OUR INTENTION IS:UNITY THROUGH
> > > COMPASSION AND AWARENESS OF THE BLINDNESS CAUSED BY DUALISTIC
> > > THINKING.IT IS THROUGH THE ACCEPTANCE OF OUR ROLE THAT WE GIVE EQUAL
> > > IMPORTANCE TO - GOOD AND EVIL - LIGHT AND DARK -WE END THE POWER
> > > STUGGLE AND OPEN THE DOORWAY TO OUR HIGHEST CONSCIOUS POSSIBILTIY
> > > ANDRELEASE  OUR FREE WILL OF OUR SPIRITUAL BEING THE TRIGGER IS
> > > SIMILAR TO THE  100 MONKEY PRINCIPLE. ONCE A MINIMUM OF 11% of the
> > > entire population enter into an awareness, we all learn this awareness
> > > AUTOMATICALLY.  THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS 11 NUMBER, IS THAT ONCE 11%
> > > FOCUS ON WANTING SOMETHING THERE IS AN AUTOMATIC AND CORRESPONDING
> > > 11% FOCUSED ON NOT WANTING THE SAMETHING.  THAT BRINGS OUR PERCENTAGE
> > > TO 22 AND A SHIFT IN OUR PRIMAL UNDERSTANDING OF OUR RELATIONSHIP TO
> > > THIS UNIVERSE PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING RELATIONSHIPS:  Grand Cross
> > > Formation of the Planets occursat the time of total eclipse on
> > > the  - 11th of Aug at 11 Am  The epicentre of this eclipse is at 11
> > > degrees  longatitude and the zenith of the eclipse is above
> > > Stonehenge.  7 Days later the Grand Star formation of our planets
> > > occur.The Matrix Project for WORLD CONSCIOUS UNITY begins on the7th of
> > > August and will continue until the 14th of August.  The pricipal; time
> > > of focus will be the 11th of August at 11:11 Am Grenwich/Zulu.  So
> > > please translated that time to your specific time zone, with chart
> > > below, in the North or southern hemisphere. THE MATRIX SYMBOL IS ALSO
> > > CALLED THE FOLLOWING:THE STAR OF DAVID, THE MORNING STAR, SIRIUS, THE
> > > SYMBOL OF CREATION, THE SYMBOL OF THE DIVINE UNITY OF OPPOSITIES, AND
> > > MANY OTHER NAMES:THIS SYMBOL APPEARS IN EVERY SPIRITUAL AND RELIGIOUS
> > > ORGANIZATION ON THIS PLANET IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER AS AN INDICATION OF
> > > THE DEVINE IN US ALLPlease focus the image of the Matrix symbol found
> > > at the following Web Site:
> > > http://sites.netscape.net/hornbyhealing/homepage  Please Forward this
> > > message to every Religious, Spiritual, Cultural,  Governmental, and
> > > concerned organization that you can think that will send this network
> > > around the world.  This is our destiny by choice. Me must exercise
> > > that option NOW.Please do not be attached to any outcome. Place the
> > > symbol in your mind and focus your personal intention on: COMPASSION
> > > FOR ALL HUMANITY AND OUR ENTIRE NATURAL WORLD THROUGH ACCEPTANCE OF
> > > OUR UNIQUE DIFFERENCES UNITED IN ONE CAUSE - OUR CONTINUED EXISTENCE
> > > IN THE NATURAL ORDER OF CREATION. THIS IS A TIME FO

[CTRL] Records of Vermont eugenic project uncovered

1999-08-08 Thread Steve Wingate

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Records of Vermont eugenic project uncovered

Copyright © 1999 Nando Media
Copyright © 1999 Associated Press

BOSTON (August 7, 1999 9:02 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - A
doctoral student has uncovered a dark secret in Vermont's past: Scientists
in the 1920s and 1930s had an active eugenics plan to eliminate the New
England state's "degenerate" bloodlines and replenish "old pioneer stock."

In a book to be published later this year, Nancy Gallagher details the plan
called the "Vermont Eugenics Survey."

The 12-year survey, developed by an independent team of social
scientists, studied "good" and "bad" families in the state and listed those
which it determined needed to be eliminated, Gallagher told The Boston
Globe for an article in Saturday's editions.

The report was circulated among policy-makers at the time and led to the
passage of a 1931 sterilization law.

The law resulted in the sterilization of several hundred poor, rural
Vermonters, Abenaki Indians and others deemed unfit to procreate, the
Globe reported.

Vermont was hardly alone in embracing eugenics, the science of human
breeding that branched off from social Darwinism.

The concept was to manage the misery of the poor. Studies had suggested
domestic abuse and alcoholism were thought to be caused by recessive
genes and inbreeding. Thus, by reducing the number of babies born to sick
or unwed parents, and by attracting desirable settlers, social scientists
thought they could a build a healthier society, the Globe reported.

Gallagher said Vermonters seemed willing to accept eugenic solutions.

She said public records of the eugenics project reflect an abhorrent
mindset of scientists. One, Dr. Henry Perkins of the University of Vermont,
came up with "pedigrees of degeneracy," Gallagher said.

In 1931, Perkins' work prompted Vermont to become the 31st state to
enact a sterilization law for the handicapped or "the feeble-minded."

Records do not show the extent to which the sterilization policy was
enforced or how the option was presented to its subjects. The laws were
rolled back in the 1960s and 1970s.

Gallagher, a 50-year old former biology teacher, said she initially hesitated
pursuing her thesis because she knew some families would find their
relatives among those the scientists considered unfit.

"Every step of the way, I wondered if I should even be writing it," she said.


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[CTRL] Uranium workers unknowingly exposed to plutonium, newspaper reports

1999-08-08 Thread Steve Wingate

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Uranium workers unknowingly exposed to plutonium, newspaper reports

Copyright © 1999 Nando Media
Copyright © 1999 Associated Press

WASHINGTON (August 8, 1999 12:40 a.m. EDT
http://www.nandotimes.com) - Thousands of uranium workers were
unknowingly exposed to plutonium and other highly radioactive metals over
a number of years at an Energy Department plant in Kentucky, The
Washington Post reported.

Although similar nuclear contamination occurred at a number of other sites
around the country in the years before worker safety was a top priority in
U.S. industrial plants, the Post said in Sunday's editions that one thing
setting apart the case of the Paducah Gaseous Diffusion Plant was that
workers did not know they were handling plutonium.

Instead, they thought they were dealing only with much less potent uranium,
the newspaper said.

Unsuspecting workers inhaled the more dangerous radiation in the form of
plutonium-laced dust brought into the plant for 23 years, beginning in the
mid-1950s, as part of a government experiment to recycle used nuclear
reactor fuel.

The government and its contractors did not inform workers about the
hazards for decades, even though employees in the 1980s began to notice
a string of cancers, the Post said.

Citing its own investigation and sealed court documents, the Post said
radioactive contaminants from the plant spilled into ditches and eventually
seeped into creeks, a state-owned wildlife area and private wells.

Plant workers contended in court documents that radioactive waste also
was deliberately dumped into nearby fields, abandoned buildings and a
landfill not licensed for hazardous waste, according to the story.

The Post said the Energy Department contends that worker exposure was
minimal and that contamination is being cleaned up. But it notes that a
lawsuit filed under seal in June by three current plant employees alleges
that radiation exposure was a problem at the Paducah facility well into the
1990s.

The Post said its investigation found that contractors hid facts about
plutonium contamination.

It said the June suit was filed under a law that allows employees to collect
payment for exposing fraud against the government and has been kept
under seal to give the Justice Department time to decide whether join the
suit or to begin a criminal investigation.

The report said none of the private companies named in the suit has been
served with it and would not comment.

The Post noted that Paducah is just the latest DOE facility to be hit by
lawsuits and revelations of contamination. It said cleaning up the Kentucky
plant is expected to cost $240 billion and take at least 75 years.


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[CTRL] California man sentenced to 27 months as feds crack down on medical marijuana

1999-08-08 Thread Steve Wingate

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California man sentenced to 27 months as feds crack down on medical
marijuana

Copyright © 1999 Nando Media
Copyright © 1999 Reuters News Service

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (August 6, 1999 6:31 p.m. EDT
http://www.nandotimes.com) - A federal judge on Friday gave a Vietnam
veteran the longest possible prison sentence for raising "medical"
marijuana, which the vet contended was legal under California state law.

U.S. District Judge Garland Burrell sentenced 52-year-old B.E. Smith to 27
months in federal prison, the first such sentence since California voters
passed the "Compassionate Use Act" legalizing medical uses of
marijuana in 1996.

"Every day I'm in prison will be seen by me as another day in service of my
nation," Smith said before sentencing. "I forgive you for what you're about
to do to me."

Smith's case marked the latest clash over medical marijuana as California
seeks to resolve the conflict between federal laws banning possession and
cultivation of the drug and its own Proposition 215, the pioneering state
measure allowing its medical use.

Smith, who suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder after serving two
tours of duty in Vietnam, obtained a prescription for medical marijuana
after the state law was passed in 1996. He subsequently established
himself as a "caregiver" to nine other patients, which under the state
measure would allow him to cultivate cannabis plants.

Long an outspoken champion of individual freedoms, Smith notified county
supervisors and the local sheriff that he was planting 87 cannabis plants,
and even posted a sign in the middle of the field identifying it as a medical
marijuana garden.

In Smith's trial, however, Burrell granted a motion by federal prosecutors
seeking to ban any defense arguments related to the state law or to
assertions about marijuana's alleged medical benefits.

Smith's lawyers said Friday they would appeal Smith's conviction.

"This decision demonstrates the lack of compassion that gave rise to the
need for Proposition 215 and medical marijuana initiatives in other states,"
attorney Thomas Ballanco said.

A number of other U.S. states have followed California's lead and passed
state measures approving limited medical uses for marijuana. But the
federal government has vowed to assert the primacy of federal anti-
narcotics laws, leaving the issue in a legal limbo.




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[CTRL] EVERYTHING I NEED TO KNOW, I LEARNED IN CORPORATE AMERICA

1999-08-08 Thread Bill

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EVERYTHING I NEED TO KNOW,
I LEARNED IN CORPORATE AMERICA

 1. Indecision is the key to flexibility.

 2. You can't tell which way the train went by looking at
the track.

 3. There is absolutely no substitute for a genuine lack of
preparation.

 4. Happiness is merely the remission of pain.

 5. Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.

 6. Sometimes too much to drink is not enough.

 7. The facts, although interesting, are irrelevant.

 8. The careful application of terror is also a form of
communication.

 9. Someone who thinks logically is a nice contrast to the
real world.

10. Things are more like they are today than they ever were
before.

11. Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for.

12. Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no
simpler.

13. Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.

14. I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.

15. Suicide is the most sincere form of self-criticism.

16. If you think there is good in everybody, you haven't met
everybody.

17. All things being equal, fat people use more soap.

18. If you can smile when things go wrong,
   you have someone in mind to blame.

19. One seventh of your life is spent on Monday.

20. Every time you make ends meet, they move the ends.

21. Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life
is serious.

22. The more you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets.

23. There is always one more imbecile than you counted on.

24. This is as bad as it can get, but don't count on it.

25. Never wrestle a pig.  You both get dirty and the pig
likes it.

26. The trouble with life is, you're halfway through it
before you
   realize it's a do-it-yourself thing.

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[CTRL] Stonehenge and Boscombe Down

1999-08-08 Thread Nicola Molloy

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 Original Message 
Subject: IUFO: FWD: (SW) Stonehenge and Boscombe Down [new subject]
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 14:10:10 -0700
From: "Terry W. Colvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Organization: ITT/CSA - Camp Doha, Kuwait
To: IUFO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, UASR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


->  IUFO  Mailing List

Obligatory UASR:  The connection between Aurora, other black project
aircraft, triangular-shaped UFOs, and other phenomena are intertwined.

Terry

--
Stonehenge and Boscombe Down are firmly connected in my mind because we
drove by the former to get to the latter for a special tour.  As we went
by Stonehenge we got our first look at the Lightning that we got to
watch
in the pattern at Boscombe Down.  We also got to see British Army troops
out on exercises, complete with all sorts of hardware, including a team
in
camouflage with some sort of smallish rocket launcher or similar weapon
tucked into the hedge right beside the pull-out where we stopped to
figure
out exactly where we were.  We all dealt with this rather uncomfortable
situation by mutually ignoring each other except for one fellow who came
over and took our AA map back to the team for a few minutes, returning
it
with the route carefully marked, all with a minimum of conversation. (I
should mention that we also invariably ended up in West Germany, going
from Frankfurt-am-Main to Braunschweig and back, just in time for Autumn
Reforger and the BAOR equivalent, both of which brought the autobahns to
a
slow crawl all along the route.)

The arrangement between Boscombe Down and the Empire Test Pilot School
is
essentially identical to the arrangement between the Air Force Flight
Test
Center and the USAF Test Pilot School or Naval Air Warfare Center and
the
USN Test Pilot School.  I didn't think there was any other way to do it,
as no self-respecting organization would rely on students to do their
test
flying.  I certainly didn't meant to imply that ETPS was anything more
than a tenant organization.

Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR
"Some days it don't come easy/And some days it don't come hard
Some days it don't come at all/And these are the days that never
end"

-
On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Steve Apthorpe wrote:
> Machrianish, and [really] Mary.
>
> One thing that has always puzzled me is about sightings at Machrianish
> [sp].  Yes it is remote and secure, but certainly not in the same sense
> as Groom Lake.  As regards 'Aurora' type aircraft (it may have
> originated as an erroneous name from a budget listing, but it has now
> come to signify 'black, hypersonic programs.') there would be no
> operational reason to land outside of CONUS, let alone the
> considerations of security and ground support.
>
> Having said that, there have been suggestions that 'Senior Citizen' is a
> special ops transport (possibly V/STOL), and would therefore operate in
> the field.  Machrianish is/was a spec ops base (I think SEALs, possibly
> those who protect(ed) Holy Loch) so it is at least feasible that a Spec
> Ops transport may have been tested at Machrianish.  (I'm not saying it
> was tested there, I'm not even saying 'Senior Citizen' exists/ed, I'm
> just saying it is a more logical explanation of rumoured activity at
> Machrianish).
>
> >  Mary wrote:
> >  That's Boscombe Down, home of the Empire Test Pilot School  ...
>
> Correct, however the Empire Test Pilots School (ETPS) only train test
> pilots they do not perform any of the testing flying at Boscombe Down,
> DRA [or whatever they are calling A&AEE these days, I lost track after
> emigrating], have their own test pilots.
>
> >  ...  It's not very far from Stonehenge, by the way.
>
> Hmmm, yes Stonehenge is about 2 miles west of the airfield, but why did
> you connect the two?  (can't remember any Druid flight trials in recent
> times).  I sincerely hope that you are not eluding to the 'infamous' [ie
> 'It didn't happen, sorry to disappoint the 'true believers''] crash of
> 1994 [yes I do know a bit more, which I can post if appropriate].  If
> this is your inference, I hope your tongue was planted firmly in your
> cheek as you were typing, or I'll expect you to be posting support for
> that bilge from Mr 'Stealth came from the aliens' Craddock ;-)  Mind
> you, it was your lot [ie NASA] who faked the moon landings, as we all
> now know to be 'fact';^)
>
> Steve
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[CTRL] Vermont eugenics project

1999-08-08 Thread Nicky Molloy

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   Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:54:55 +1200
   From: "earthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fw: [synchronistic] Surprised cnn published this one.

http://cnn.com/US/9908/07/vermont.eugenics.ap/index.html
Student uncovers records of Vermont eugenics project
August 7, 1999
Web posted at: 8:55 AM EDT (1255 GMT)


BOSTON (AP) -- A doctoral student has uncovered a dark secret in Vermont's
past: Scientists in the 1920s and '30s had an active eugenics plan to
eliminate the state's "degenerate" bloodlines and replenish "old pioneer
stock."

In a book to be published later this year, Nancy Gallagher details the plan
called the "Vermont Eugenics Survey."

The 12-year survey, developed by an independent team of social scientists,
studied "good" and "bad" families in the state and listed those which it
determined needed to be eliminated, Gallagher told The Boston Globe for a
story in Saturday's editions.

The report was circulated among policymakers at the time and led to the
passage of a 1931 sterilization law.

The law resulted in the sterilization of several hundred poor, rural
Vermonters, Abenaki Indians and others deemed unfit to procreate, the Globe
reported.

Vermont was hardly alone in embracing eugenics, the science of human
breeding that branched off from social Darwinism.

The concept was to manage the misery of the poor. Studies had suggested
domestic abuse and alcoholism were thought to be caused by recessive genes
and inbreeding. Thus, by reducing the number of babies born to sick or unwed
parents, and by attracting desirable settlers, social scientists thought
they could a build a healthier society, the Globe reported.

Gallagher said Vermonters seemed willing to accept eugenic solutions.

She said public records of the eugenics project reflect an abhorrent mindset
of scientists. One, Dr. Henry Perkins of the University of Vermont, came up
with "pedigrees of degeneracy," Gallagher said.

In 1931, Perkins' work prompted Vermont to become the 31st state to enact a
sterilization law for the handicapped or "the feeble-minded."

Records do not show the extent to which the sterilization policy was
enforced or how the option was presented to its subjects. The laws were
rolled back in the 1960s and 70s.

Gallagher, a 50-year old former biology teacher, said she initially
hesitated pursuing her thesis because she knew some families would find
their relatives among those the scientists considered unfit.

"Every step of the way, I wondered if I should even be writing it," she
said.

Copyright 1999 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

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[CTRL] PHOENIX EVACUATION IS REAL

1999-08-08 Thread Nicky Molloy

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   Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 09:37:13 +1200
   From: "earthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PHOENIX EVACUATION IS REAL

Looks like they have found the landing spot
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/1219/PhoenixEvac3.html
Peter

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Re: [CTRL] Y2K and the FEMA Nightmare

1999-08-08 Thread Paul

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For the non Americans on the list, would someone be able to explain the
legal status of Presidential Executive Orders and whether the Supreme Court
has commented on their potential validity.

Regards


At 07:14  4/08/99 EDT, you wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
>from http://www.heartsongs.org/FEMA.htm
>
>
> FEMA: THE SECRET GOVERNMENT
> by
> Harry V. Martin, with research assistance from David Caul
>
>
> Some people have referred to it as the "secret government"
>of the United States.  It is not an elected body; it does not
>involve itself in public disclosures; and it even has a
>quasi-secret budget in the billions of dollars.
> This government organization has more power than the
>President of the United States or the Congress.  It has the power
>to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and detain
>citizens without a warrant and hold them without trial.  It can
>seize property, food supplies, transportation systems, and can
>suspend the Constitution.
> Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United
>States, but it was not even created under Constitutional law by
>the Congress.  It was a product of a Presidential Executive
>Order.
> No, it is not the U.S. military nor the Central
>Intelligence Agency; they are subject to Congress.  The
>organization is called FEMA, which stands for the Federal
>Emrgency Management Agency.
> Originally conceived in the Nixon Administration, it was
>refined by President Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the Ronald
>Reagan and George Bush Administrations.
> FEMA had one original concept when it was created -- to
>assure the survivability of the United States government in the
>event of a nuclear attack on this nation.  It was also provided
>with the task of being a federal coordinating body during times
>of domestic disasters, such as earthquakes, floods and
>hurricanes.
> Its awesome powers grew under the tutelage of people like
>Lt. Col. Oliver North and General Richard Secord, the architects
>on the Iran-Contra scandal and the looting of America's savings
>and loan institutions.  FEMA has even been given control of the
>State Defense Forces, a rag-tag, often considered neo-Nazi,
>civilian army that will substitute for the National Guard, if the
>Guard is called to duty overseas.
> Though it may be the most powerful organization in the
>United States, many people don't know it even exists.  But it has
>crept into our private lives.  Even mortgage papers contain
>FEMA's name in small print if the property in question is near a
>flood plain.
> FEMA was deeply involved in the Los Angeles riots and the
>1989 Loma Prieta earthquake in the San Francisco Bay Area.
> Some of the black helicopter traffic reported throughout the
>United States, but mainly in the West (California, Washington,
>Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Colorado), are flown by FEMA
>personnel.
> FEMA has been given responsibility for many new disasters
>including urban forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee
>situations, urban riots, and emergency planning for nuclear and
>toxic incidents.  In the West, it works in conjunction with the
>Sixth Army.
> FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders.  A
>Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not,
>becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Registry.
>Congress is bypassed.
> Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency
>Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of
>Defense for civil defense planning and funding.  An "emergency
>czar" was appointed.
> FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on
>national emergencies.  The bulk of their funding has been used
>for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure
>continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or
>domestic.
> Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National
>Security Council as the principal body to consider emergency
>powers.  This allows the government to increase domestic
>intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict
>the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the
>government the right to isolate large groups of civilians.  The
>National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take
>control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.
>The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in
>every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of
>FEMA's Civil Security Division, stated in a 1983 conference that
>he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of
>individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of
>civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as
>well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to
>U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis."
>FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to
>incorporate: The National Security Act of 1947, which allows for
>the

[CTRL] [Fwd: [patrickcrusade] PC Commercial]

1999-08-08 Thread Bill

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Anne Rose-Pierce wrote:
>
> From: "Anne Rose-Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >Also, this isn't a catchy gimmick, but it is food for thought.  Several
> >years ago, the U.S., U.S.S.R. and Union of South Africa had the 3 highest
> >incarceration rates in the world.  2 of those governments have fallen.
> Anne
>
> >Wow! what an insightful thought about the prison rates vs. fallen
> countries.
> >You know, the US is heading for a fall and I think many people realize
> this.
> >I think this something I need to ponder more deeply, don't you?
> >
> >Love, Taoss
>
> This might also make a good basis for a commercial for us.  I doubt that
> many of the sheeple realize that we incarcerate more people than any other
> nation.  I knew about the USSR, but not about South Africa until I read it
> in the forward of Mumia's book.
>
> Anne Rose-Pierce  (Oregon)
> ...after seventeen years...
> www.freeyellow.com/members3/arpofasy
> "I believe that liberty, equality, and humanity do not truly exist if they
> are meted out to some and denied to others.  Of course you give up your
> right to liberty if you commit a crime and are incarcerated, but you should
> not have to give up your status as a human being and the inalienable right
> to be treated like one."
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[CTRL] Birds of a Feather Flock Together [prostitutes]

1999-08-08 Thread Bard

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JUDICIAL WATCH, Inc.Press Release
For Immediate Release   Contact: Tom Fitton
August 7, 1999  (202) 646-5172


   HUBBELL AND THE ABA

   Birds of a Feather Flock Together

 or

   Why Overbilling Is Not Really A Crime

(Washington, August, 7) -- Yesterday, the American Bar Association, which
purports to represent the nation's legal profession, again showed its true
colors, by inviting Webster Hubbell, a convicted felon who stole hundreds
of thousands of dollars by overbilling his clients, to attend its
convention. Notwithstanding the ABA's obvious continued support for the
corrupt Clinton Administration, the invitation to Hubbell was an affront to
the basic standards of the legal profession; at least those standards which
still exist.

Larry Klayman, Chairman of Judicial Watch, issued the following statement
in response to this latest outrage by the ABA:

"The Hubbell speech at the ABA convention is  the outrage of the week.'
Before yesterday, polling data showed most Americans already ranked lawyers
lower than prostitutes in terms of their perceived ethical standards. That
the ABA would welcome Webster Hubbell, a convicted felon who stole from his
clients, to its convention, confirms that one of the real scandals of the
last six and one half years has been in the legal profession. The legal
profession has encouraged and perpetuated the corruption in the Clinton
Administration, and turned a blind eye to the clients it purports to
represent.

When we finish with the Clintons, and bring them and other corrupt
politicians to justice, Judicial Watch will focus even more on one of its
goals -- to clean up the slime in the legal profession. One place to start
is with the ABA."
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[CTRL] net censorship

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Subject: Reefer Madness Hits Congress by Declan McCullagh
From: Matthew Gaylor


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W I R E D   N E W S
- - - - - - - - - -

Reefer Madness Hits Congress
 by Declan McCullagh

Hide that hookah. Chuck that chillum. Congress is in session, and weed Web
sites are no longer safe.

A proposed bill that bans Internet discussions of the use of unapproved
drugs and links to such sites has not just normally mellow potheads but
also journalist groups in a huff.

"This is just legislators spinning their wheels," says Andrew, a San
Francisco Web system administrator who says he enjoys a good bong hit three
times a week.

"It offends me that legislators have nothing better to do than grandstand
since our society has real problems that have real solutions," says Andrew,
who asked that his last name not be used.

About a dozen senators have signed on to support the Methamphetamine
Anti-Proliferation Act, but its primary leaders are Dianne Feinstein, a
California Democrat and longtime Internet regulatory enthusiast, and Orrin
Hatch, the arch-conservative Utah Republican who chairs the Senate
Judiciary committee.

If the measure becomes law, it will create a new federal felony --
punishable by a fine and three years in prison -- that covers Web pages
that link to sites with information about where to buy "drug paraphernalia"
such as roach clips, bowls, and bongs.

Even editors of news organizations that publish articles about drug culture
and link to related sites will be subject to arrest and prosecution.

"It is going to be a tough thing for news organizations, but more
importantly it strikes at the news consumer who wishes to test information
provided by the media against their own experience," says Paul McMasters,
First Amendment ombudsman at the Freedom Forum, a foundation devoted to
freedom of the press. "Why would anyone want to keep people from finding
the truth out for themselves or linking to facts?"

"You would be liable," says Eugene Volokh, a law professor at UCLA. "It's a
very serious problem for people who want to link for legitimate news
purposes."

Groups fighting for drug legalization are also upset about a second portion
of the Hatch-Feinstein bill. It creates another felony, punishable by up to
10 years in the federal pen, banning distribution "by any means" of
information about "the manufacture or use of a controlled substance" if the
recipient might use it to get high.

"It is yet another illustration of politicians trying to escalate a war
they can't win," says David Boaz, vice president of the libertarian Cato
Institute. "The dirty little secret that maybe nobody has told Dianne
Feinstein is that it's not very hard to grow marijuana."

"If you had links on your Web site to sites like High Times magazine, you
could be threatened with a count of indirect advertising," said R. Keith
Stroup, head of NORML.

Banning linking is close to banning sales of all marijuana paraphernalia,
says Dana Larsen, editor of the Vancouver-based Cannabis Culture magazine.
"Preventing linking to sites selling drug paraphernalia cuts down on sales
[of] these items. I think that the federal government is definitely afraid
of the power of the Web to spread uncensored information that they can't
control."

But Larsen believes that even if Hatch and Feinstein get their way, their
plan will disappear into smoke.

"Ultimately, this law will be selectively enforced It is totally
impossible to ban all linking to drug-related sites. The Web is too large,"
Larsen says.

The Church of Scientology -- normally an ardent opponent of all illicit
drugs -- is, for once, not eager to embrace a measure designed to limit
their use.

"When you attempt to cut a communication line, you get big problems," says
the group's San Francisco director, Jeff Quiros. "You can't block
communication without getting upset and in a turmoil. Not talking about
drugs, limiting the education to drugs, is to go in the opposite direction
of understanding. People need understanding in order to  gain judgment."

The Feinstein-Hatch collaboration is not unique. The two combined to push
forth the "Dirty Pixels" law of 1996 that made it a felony to possess
computer-generated images of naked children.

Feinstein has tried with similar anti-drug online measures in the past.
Last year she introduced a bill -- that ultimately didn't go anywhere --
designed to limit online drug paraphernalia sales.

The Clinton administration said it has not taken a position on the plan.
"We'll have to study it. We would have to look to see if it has already
been passed," said Bob Weiner, acting public affairs director of the White
House drug policy off

[CTRL] Small town police w/ military tanks

1999-08-08 Thread Dave

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Hey all...

I have just heard that my town's police department has just acquired a
military TANK.
Painted U.N. blue !

This is a town of less than 250,000 with no inner city or civil unrest -
yet looks like they're gearing up for repealing or otherwise trampling:

United States Constitution Amendment 2

§ 1   ¶ 1  A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of
a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
infringed.
 1 ]  Passed by Congress September 25, 1789
 2 ]  Ratified December 15, 1791


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[CTRL] INTERNAL DOCUMENTS FROM GERMANY'S FOREIGN OFFICE

1999-08-08 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic, Secretary General

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The Committee for National Solidarity
Tolstojeva 34, 11000 Belgrade, YU

  INTERNAL DOCUMENTS FROM GERMANY'S FOREIGN OFFICE REGARDING
  PRE-BOMBARDMENT
  GENOCIDE IN KOSOVO

  Collected by International Association of Lawyers Against Nuclear Arms

  1: Opinion of the Upper Administrative Court at Mnster, March 11, 1999
  (Az: 13A 3894/94.A):

  "Ethnic Albanians in Kosovo have neither been nor are now exposed to
  regional or countrywide group persecution in the Federal Republic of
  Yugoslavia." (Thesis 1)

  2: Opinion of the Bavarian Administrative Court, October 29, 1998 (Az:
  22 BA 94.34252):
  "The Foreign Office's status reports of May 6, June 8 and July 13,
  1998, given to the plaintiffs in the summons to a verbal deliberation,
  do not allow the conclusion that there is group persecution of ethnic
  Albanians from Kosovo. Not even regional group persecution, applied to
  all ethnic Albanians from a specific part of Kosovo, can be observed
  with sufficient certainty. The violent actions of the Yugoslav
  military and police since February 1998 were aimed at separatist
  activities and are no proof of a persecution of the whole Albanian
  ethnic group in Kosovo or in a part of it. What was involved in the
  Yugoslav violent actions and excesses since February 1998 was a
  selective forcible action against the military underground movement
  (especially the KLA) and people in immediate contact with it in its
  areas of operation. ...A state program or persecution aimed at the
  whole ethnic group of Albanians exists neither now nor earlier."

  3: Intelligence report from the Foreign Office, January 12, 1999 to
  the Administrative Court of Trier (Az: 514-516.80/32 426):

  "Even in Kosovo an explicit political persecution linked to Albanian
  ethnicity is not verifiable. The East of Kosovo is still not involved
  in armed conflict. Public life in cities like Pristina, Urosevac,
  Gnjilan, etc. has, in the entire conflict period, continued on a
  relatively normal basis." The "actions of the security forces (were)
  not directed against the Kosovo-Albanians as an ethnically defined
  group, but against the military opponent and its actual or alleged
  supporters."

  4: Intelligence report from the Foreign Office January 6, 1999 to the
  Bavarian Administrative Court, Ansbach:
  "At this time, an increasing tendency is observable inside the Federal
  Republic of Yugoslavia of refugees returning to their dwellings. ...
  Regardless of the desolate economic situation in the Federal Republic
  of Yugoslavia (according to official information of the Federal
  Republic of Yugoslavia 700,000 refugees from Croatia, Bosnia and
  Herzogovina have found lodging since 1991), no cases of chronic
  malnutrition or insufficient medical treatment among the refugees are
  known and significant homelessness has not been observed. ...
  According to the Foreign Office's assessment, individual
  Kosovo-Albanians (and their immediate families) still have limited
  possibilities of settling in those parts of Yugoslavia in which their
  countrymen or friends already live and who are ready to take them in
  and support them."

  5. Report of the Foreign Office March 15, 1999 (Az: 514-516,80/33841)
  to the Administrative Court, Mainz:

  "As laid out in the status report of November 18, 1998, the KLA has
  resumed its positions after the partial withdrawal of the (Serbian)
  security forces in October 1998, so it once again controls broad areas
  in the zone of conflict. Before the beginning of spring 1999 there
  were still clashes between the KLA and security forces, although these
  have not until now reached the intensity of the battles of spring and
  summer 1998."

  6. Opinion of the Administrative Court of Baden-Wrttemberg, February
  4, 1999 (Az: A 14 S 22276/98):

  "The various reports presented to the senate all agree that the often
  feared humanitarian catastrophe threatening the Albanian civil
  population has been averted. ... This appears to be the case since the
  winding down of combat in connection with an agreement made with the
  Serbian leadership at the end of 1998 (Status Report of the Foreign
  Office, November 18, 1998). Since that time both the security
  situation and the conditions of life of the Albanian-derived
  population have noticeably improved. ... Specifically in the larger
  cities public life has since returned to relative normality (cf. on
  this Foreign Office, January 12, 1999 to the Administrative Court of
  Trier; December 28, 1998 to the Upper Administrative Court of Lneberg
  and December 23, 1998 to the Administrative Court at Kassel), even
  though tensions between the population groups have meanwhile increased
  due to individual acts of violence... Single instances of excessive
  acts of violence against the civil population, e.g. in Racak, have, in
  world opinion, been laid at the feet of the Serbian side and have
  aroused great indignation. But th

[CTRL] Southern Secessionists Launch Political Party [NoCarolina]

1999-08-08 Thread Bard

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Also today, gunmen kidnapped four hundred-thousand Chinese guest workers at
a Mac-Vegetarian hamburger stand construction site in the Peoples Republic
of San Francisco, which borders Ectopia. Two of them escaped being eaten and
reported the abduction to the Gaystapo, who promptly ate them, and then
asked them for their telephone numbers, GIT reported. Aztlan and the
Republic of Texas both won de facto independence from America in the war,
though the Glorious Empire still claims both as part of America.

The Peoples Republic of San Francisco has announced it is eager to merge
with any and all, but as yet has had no takers.
http://www.civilwartwo.com/



Southern Secessionists Launch Political Party
4.58 p.m. ET (2058 GMT) August 7, 1999 By Leda Hartman

FLAT ROCK — A fledgling group of Southern nationalists gathered at a Civil
War-era inn in the North Carolina mountains Saturday to launch a political
party seeking to revitalize the secessionist movement in the South.

  'Secession, if it comes, must come from the electorate and it must be a
peaceful, orderly and constitutional process'
— George Kalas



The Southern Party, which unlike other separatist movements of generations
past claims to oppose white-supremacy ideologies, will seek to place
candidates on local ballots in up to 16 states in the 2000 elections,
including all the states of the old Confederacy.

"I welcome you here to this historic occasion to announce the formation of
the Southern Party, dedicated to limited government, low taxes, maximum
individual liberty, a free market and self-determination for Dixie,"
Southern National Committee board member Ron Holland said.

Holland was flanked by men wearing Civil War uniforms on a platform draped
with an oversized Confederate flag.

The Southern Party is an outgrowth of the League of the South, a Southern
nationalist group headquartered in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, which formed a
committee last November to explore the creation of a new political party.

Despite adopting the Confederate battle flag as one of its symbols, party
leaders say they'll try to realize their goal of an independent Southern
nation not through violence or overthrow of the U.S. government, but through
the ballot box.

The party aims to eventually elect governors and legislative majorities in
Southern states, which would then vote to withdraw from the United States.

"We are often asked if our affinity for the Confederate national symbols of
Southern sovereignty are also indicative of an attitude of racial malice
towards people of non-European origin, or racial bigotry towards people of
non-Christian faith," Southern Party chairman George Kalas of Texas said.

"The simple answer to this question is a firm no. Southerners are not a
race, they are a people," he said. "Secession, if it comes, must come from
the electorate and it must be a peaceful, orderly and constitutional
process."

Whether or not the Southern Party becomes an electoral force to be reckoned
with, its other policies may resonate with some voters. The party platform
calls for a decentralized federal government and increased states' rights,
supports the right to bear arms, and a halt to immigration and affirmation
action.

If that sounds like a conservative Republican agenda, it's no coincidence.
Kalas worked on both of commentator Pat Buchanan's presidential campaigns,
but says the Republican Party has simply given lip service to these
positions.

The party is registered in nine Southern states, and has been contacted by
Bob Smith, a two-term U.S. Senator running as independent candidate for
President from New Hampshire seeking its support, party officials said.

Still, University of North Carolina sociologist John Shelton Reed, one of
the nation's foremost experts on Southern culture, doubts the secessionist
strategy will succeed.

"I'd be very surprised if in the short run, they gather a great deal of
popular support," he says. "Polls show single-digit support for Southern
independence and I don't think it's a topic that most people have thought
about much, seriously."

By Reed's count, there are dozens of third-party movements in the United
States, including independence parties in Alaska and Hawaii.

"It's a mistake to take them too seriously," he says. "On the other hand,
it's a mistake not to take them seriously enough - and I'm still trying to
figure out how seriously to take them."
http://www.foxnews.com/js_index.sml?content=/national/080799/seccessionists.
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In a message dated 99-08-07 11:58:14 EDT, you write:
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The information contained in these videos, is covered (practically
word for word) in the fourth and fifth chapters of David Icke's latest
book. If you buy Icke's book, you can get the same information as
contained in the videos, plus plenty of good laughs.

Icke's "The Biggest Secret", IMHO, is
another fine example of misinformation--

Pieces of truth, carefully and sparingly woven
throughout an abundance of absolute rubbish.

This method of distributing misinformation appears to
be the most popular, as the minds of the mindless will
then place the pieces of truth in the same category as
that which nakedly appears to be the excrement of
large horned male animals.

Icke's book is only helping further the *actual* Agenda...

It does so, by helping readers to think that all conspiracy
theories belong in the same category as those who might
subscribe to some of his book's more outlandish statements.

Moreover, most people will never read Icke's book--
they will only hear about it. When they hear about it,
they probably only hear the real outrageous claims.

So..even the people who *already* thought conspiracy
theories to be silly, will continue thinking this all the more...

I don't know how the rest of this group might feel
about David Icke, but personally, I believe that he
is one of the Reptillians Insiders himself...

:::goes back to reading Goethe:::
Tsadowq

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