[CTRL] UPI Report: Caspian pipeline needs more oil (fwd)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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LOS ANGELES, March 26 (UPI) -- A U.S.-backed oil pipeline from
the Caspian Sea to the Turkish port of Ceyhan may have to be
shelved for economic reasons unless additional crude is found to
guarantee a larger, more lucrative daily flow.

 The proposed $2.5-billion Baku-to-Ceyhan pipeline is favored by
the United States because it gives western Caspian crude a route
to the West that avoids the more volatile regions of Iran and
southern Russia.

 The Los Angeles Times reported Sunday, however, that the basic
economics of oil have put the entire project in jeopardy. Experts
told the Times that there appears to not be enough crude
available in the Caspian to make the project economically
feasible, even with world oil prices at 10-year highs.

 "Higher prices definitely make development of the Caspian look
better, but there probably isn't enough oil now to justify this
pipeline," Julia Nanay, director of Petroleum Finance Co., told
the Times.

 Energy experts told the newspaper that 6 billion barrels of
crude reserves are needed for the pipeline to work, but only 4
billion are currently available and there are no obvious sources
of additional developed reserves on the horizon.

 "You have got to have enough oil to put through the pipeline,
and there just isn't enough there," said Robert Ebel, an energy
expert at Washington's Center for Strategic and International
Studies.

 The Baku-to-Ceyhan pipeline -- backed by the White House -- is
being developed by an 11-member consortium headed by BP Amoco,
which has sunk $12 billion into developing Azerbaijan's offshore
oil reserves in the Caspian. The Times said BP Amoco at first
resisted the Baku-to-Ceyhan route in favor of the shorter
proposed routes -- through Georgia to the Black Sea port of
Supsa, or south across Iran to the Persian Gulf.

 The Caspian region has estimated crude reserves of 35 billion
barrels, about the size of the North Sea, plus prodigious natural
gas supplies. Transporting the oil to the Mediterranean seaport
of Ceyhan would make it less likely that political turmoil in
Russia or Iran would cut the precious flow of oil, and would also
bolster the fledgling governments of Azerbaijan and other Caspian
republics by giving their petroleum resources an outlet to the
world that didn't depend on Russia or Iran.

 Turkey, a NATO member and long-time U.S. ally, has been actively
lobbying to be the transit route for the Caspian's oil and
natural gas.

 The Ceyhan route, however, is much longer so the transportation
costs per barrel of oil will be higher than if the pipeline were
shorter.

 The Times said the Caspian consortium believes the crude
shortfall is, in part, caused by the difficulty of exploring the
relatively uninhabited Caspian region. The oil companies have
been looking into adding crude from the eastern Caspian to the
pipeline flow, but have also said Washington should consider
subsidies for the pipeline until enough reserves are developed to
make it pay for itself.

 Some analysts told the Times that the Clinton administration has
ignored ,<== the hard realities of pipeline economics in favor of
one stressing security <== matters that don't greatly effect the
United States.  <==

 "The State Department is looking at the large geopolitical
picture," said Geoffrey Kemp, a Middle East specialist at the
Nixon Center for Peace and Freedom. "They have worked themselves
into a frenzy by justifying the East-West route."


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[CTRL] [BCPolitics] Russia's "Multi-Polar World" vs. USA New World Order...Worth Saving. (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Even Texas could find LIBERTY and JUSTICE under such an alternative to the
NWO! Join the Confederacy/Confederation of Canuckistan y'all and
rediscover what the Liberty Bell is all about!!! (eh?)
FWP.

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Order...Worth Saving.

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In my humble opinion it would be better if Canada were to self-immolate
like one of those Buddhist Monks who self-immolated to protest the Vietnam
War. I would sugggest self-immolation via "Unlimited Balkanization".
That would LIBERATE First Nations from Washington-Ottawa federalist
tyranny.
FWP.

http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex/Machine-Psychology.htm

On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Connie Fogal wrote:

> From: Canadian Action Party <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: CAP Essay Writing Contest Rules and Application form
> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:20:59 -0500
> Organization: Canadian Action Party
>
> "Why Canada Is Worth Saving"
> National Essay Contest
> $120,000 in University/College Scholarships, Travel, and Other Prizes
>
> "We've signed a stunning new trade pact with Canada. The Canadians don't
> know what they have signed. In twenty years, they will be sucked into the
> U.S. economy."
> Those were the words of Clayton Yeutter, chief U.S. trade negotiator, just
> after the Canada/U.S. Free Trade Agreement was signed on October 3, 1987.
> Just one reason why the Canadian Action Party is sponsoring the "Why
> Canada Is Worth Saving" National Essay Contest.
>
> Canada is facing a crisis in 2000, because Mr. Yeutter's prophecy is coming
> true. He knew that the FTA was not really a trade agreement. It was an
> investment agreement - giving American investors the same rights in Canada
> as Canadian citizens - because of the "national treatment" clause. This is
> a new concept in international law which most Canadians have never heard of
> - and it gave them almost unrestricted access to our industries and our
> resources.
>
> But that's not all. Under the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA),
> another clause was added - Chapter 11 - which allows U.S. and Mexican
> corporations to sue our government if we pass laws or regulations which
> might hurt corporate profits.. As Canadian citizens, you and I can't do
> that! And now, the federal government is negotiating to give more
> corporations in more countries that right. We won't be able to protect our
> environment, our health, our future - without checking with business
> first!
>
> Our country is for sale. Foreign corporations are buying us up as fast as
> they can - at fire-sale prices. More than 10,000 companies have been sold
> -- mostly to giant American corporations: Calgary's Poco Petroleum; forest
> giants Le Group Forest and MacMillan Bloedel; Canadian icons Club Monaco,
> Tim Hortons; Laura Secord and, Canadian technical marvel, the Canadarm.
> This is bad news, especially for our talented and skilled younger gener
> ation, because after ownership leaves the country, the top jobs follow.
> Our loonie is threatened. There is high-level pressure to establish one
> North American dollar - the U.S. dollar. And when a country doesn't
> control its money supply, there is little it can do to create employment,
> fight inflation, regulate taxation. At the same time, our social programs,
> including Medicare, are being harmonized and integrated with those of the
> U.S. That means private universities and hospitals - a two-tiered society
> - the kind most Canadians don't want.
>
> Although many people aren't fully aware of the dangers - Canada is at risk.
> Some say that if we don't act now, we will soon be beyond the point of no
> return - no longer able to save the country. Our flag might not come down
> at that time, but it will eventually!
>
> For these reasons and more, the Canadian Action Party is sponsoring the
> "Why Canada is Worth Saving" National Essay Contest. We want to bring the
> crisis to people's attention and get them thinking - and w

[CTRL] The dog ate their e-mail (fwd)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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 -Cui Bono?-

From:

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/ed-house-2000327184450.htm

The Washington Times
EDITORIAL • March 27, 2000


The dog ate their e-mail

 Al Gore cannot have it both ways. The vice president, who
once asserted he played an indispensable role in the creation of
the Internet, now wants the public to believe that he and his
staff were unaware for years that the computer system in his
office was enmeshed in so much chaos that it could not even keep
track of its e-mails. Despite evidence to the contrary, moreover,
the administration is making the utterly implausible claim that
it did not learn about Mr. Gore's computer problems, which date
at least to 1994, until this month.

 In an equally implausible assertion, White House Counsel
Beth Nolan insists that her predecessor, Charles F.C. Ruff
, was somehow
led to believe, ever so conveniently, that technicians had solved
a separate White House computer glitch. That problem prevented
the legally required archiving of an estimated 100,000 incoming
e-mail messages sent to nearly 500 White House computers. To this
day, years' worth of the e-mail messages sent to and from the
vice president and his staff, as well as the 100,000 sent to the
Executive Office of the President between September 1996 and
November 1998, remain disbursed in cyberspace or recorded on
back-up tapes. All of them have been subject to subpoenas, some
several years old, issued by the Justice Department's
campaign-finance task force; House and Senate committees
investigating numerous campaign-finance scandals involving the
president and the vice president; the independent counsel's
office investigating Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate and the
Monica Lewinsky scandal; and Judicial Watch, a conservative
public interest law firm, which, in pursuit of civil litigation
against the White House, uncovered the e-mail scandal.

 Meanwhile, the Justice Department has petitioned a federal
judge to delay Judicial Watch's access to the e-mails in a
pending $90 million suit in the Filegate matter. Justice campaign
task force chief Robert Conrad Jr. has cited a "direct overlap
between the the allegations" he "wants to pursue in this case and
and the matters the task force is investigating." It's worth
recalling what happened the Justice Department called off a Los
Angeles-based U.S. attorney's investigation into the illegal
Buddhist temple fund-raiser attended by Mr. Gore. The task
force's investigation languished for months while witnesses fled
the country. Judicial Watch's suit is now four-years old, and the
Justice Department ought not be permitted to sidetrack it as it
did the Buddhist temple investigation.

 The Justice Department has opened its own criminal
investigation of the White House to determine if President
Clinton and others illegally suppressed the e-mail messages
subpoenaed by the various investigative bodies. The Justice
Department last week also announced another investigation to
determine whether White House officials threatened to jail
computer technicians working for a private contractor if they
revealed the existence of the missing e-mails.

 At a hearing before the House Government Reform Committee on
Thursday, three of the nongovernment technicians asserted that
White House officials threatened to jail them if they revealed
the e-mail problem to their spouses or their superiors. At the
same hearing, Laura Crabtree Callahan, one of those accused of
issuing the jail threats, denied under oath doing so. But she did
testify that she had emphasized to the technicians that it was
important for them to keep the case of the missing e-mails
private because "this was a situation we needed to be careful of,
because it was sensitive."

 And why was it "sensitive"? Because the discovery that
100,000 e-mails had been missing was made in June 1998, precisely
the time when the independent counsel and Congress were
investigating the Lewinsky scandal and other matters. Needless to
say, the emergence of potentially incriminating e-mails would
have affected several criminal investigations, particularly given
that thousands of the e-mails are said to involve Miss Lewinsky,
campaign finance, Filegate and accusations involving the selling
of seats on trade missions for political contributions. Yet, the
White House never informed any investigating body that the
computer glitch created a major problem in complying with their
subpoenas.

 The White House has offered no rational explanation why it
believed the 100,000 missing e-mails had been retrieved and
examined for their relevance to the various subpoenas. Instead,
in a statement Miss Nolan simply asserts, "While the counsel's
office knew in June 1998 that a configuration error had existed,
it believed that the problem was fixed and did not, until
recently, understand the scope and possible effect on e-mail
records searches

Re: [CTRL] onelist info

[Nicola Molloy]

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 -Cui Bono?-

Thanks Foxter,

I noticed they are having technical difficulty at onelist and you need
to check the email arrives not chopped up, with bits missing.. I have a
list Armageddon or New Age? and things do disappear amd not work. But it
is well designed to operate when it does work.. I wonder if they are up
to something searching for keywords, other than swearing. Here is my
library of files at onelist - I have a heap to read, mainly UFOs and
mind control type stuff. I can't promise authentication on everything
though. [If something sounds feasable its worth putting it into 'I'll
research later category', spec if I have heard of it before, but can't
find evidence right now]  I'll have about 100 pages of James Hurtak's
Keys of Enoch on it shortly, so everybody can make no mistake about the
intentions of our Et masters, regarding taking over the planet
technologically, by changing our timelines with the world grid
activation etc. Gridlines hold time together they say.

Nicky

http://www.onelist.com/group/armageddon-or-newage

Files on the NWO, UFOs, abductions, Biblical prophecies, UN global govt,
Phil Ex, time travel, mind control, HAARP, underground bases, world
gridline activation, NASA's Blue Beam  and fake Second Coming. We can
win against domination by dark forces, if we are open minded and just
work out what's really going on.We went through this oppression in
Atlantis too. Prefer useful info please, rather than one line comments
from those who don't want to contribute articles, as this is for NWO
research archives. Poss 30+ posts a day. Suitable for Branton & Jim
Keith fans who can't have enough info. Plenty here. Luke 12:40   "So be
ready all the time. For I, the Messiah, will come when least expected".



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ONE LIST INFO I GOT: ==

I'm passing on this message since it pertains to onelist and how they
send mail through - not that I have seen much language on this list that

I would object too, if they consider skin objectionable we could all be
in trouble...

Onelist has added a new feature that some might find objectionable and
some might find desirable. They have added something called a "Family
Filter", which filters out list e-mail that might have language some
people don't want to see in their e-mail. The first problem is THEY
DIDN'T NOTIFY MEMBERS and they added the feature and added it TURNED ON
!!! It has been slowing down the mail but worst af all, is that it's
keeping some mail from getting through.
HOW TO *TURN OFF* THE "FAMILY FILTER"
Go to www.onelist.com
once you are logged on make sure you are on their home page. You should
see a section right on the page that says "Join a Group"--just BELOW
those words you should see the search area, and right above the space
where you type in what you're searching for, you should see the words
"Family Filter On" . Click right on those words to turn it off, if
turning it off is what you choose to do. If, as some people have, you
find the filter says it's off the first time you check, you can just
leave it that way, or click right on the words to turn it on, if that's
what you prefer. When you're finished, whatever your "on" or "off"
preference is, click on "done", This will turn the Family Filter off and

you will receive all your onelist e-mail without their automatic
filtering.
I suggest you write and complain, and let any other Onelist groups you
are with know about this. The issue is not the filter itself, but the
fact that they added this feature and turned it on without telling their

users, and without letting them know they had a choice. I noticed that I

was not receiving a lot of my Onelist mail and my lists seemed
abnormally quiet for the last couple of days. I want to receive all my
list mail and decide *for myself* what I want to read and what I'm not
interested in. Everyone has different needs and some might like the
filter being on, but I do not!

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and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and
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[CTRL] [2b] The Thousand Year Conspiracy

[Kris Millegan]

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 -Cui Bono?-

The Thousand Year Conspiracy - Secret Germany Behind the Mask
Paul Winkler
Charles Scribner’s Sons©1943
New York
381 pps. – First Edition – Out-of-print
--[2b]--

Kotzebue describes as follows the oppression of the Krivitzians by the Order:

"What fate was in store for the enslaved remnants of the once mighty Krivitz
people? Where were their rulers, their nobles, their free-holders? What
status, what rights and religion, what property would be theirs? They were
treated in various manners by the victors. Prisoners, men, women and
children, with no hope of clemency, were forced to submit to cruel bondage.
The fact that they renounced Perkuna,* crossed themselves and sprinkled. holy
water on their heads, did not help them at all. It is true that the Order had
taken the position in 1249 that all men are free and equal and that only
unbelief leads to enslavement. Now, however, they managed to break their word
through the vile pretext that only those who, of their own will, welcomed the
cross and the beam on their shoulders might enjoy such privileges; but those
who have been forced into the fold of the Church at the point of a sword must
forever, and in slavery, atone for their past unbelief. [* The heathen god
the Krivitzians worshipped.]

"Less miserable was the fate of those princes and nobles who had curried
favor with the Order by betraying their fatherland. These were granted
estates which in many cases had belonged to them anyhow and which could not
very well be stolen from those who, of their own free will, submitted. But
where once they had been unrestrained masters of their estates, they now
obtained as a special grant whatever greater or lesser jurisdiction they
might have over their serfs and also the right—for both men and women—to
inherit. For all this they were obliged to pledge themselves for Knightly
service. If they were able to adjust themselves obediently under this new
yoke, if they helped to draw the net even tighter around their own brothers,
then the Order might occasionally condescend to give the rank of 'noble' to
the nobles; to decorate the heroes with a Knight's sword; and in place of the
traditional respectful title, Pan,' ('Sir') to bestow on them the empty
title, 'Miles.' Whether they were also Christians was of no concern to these
armor-clad missionaries."

Trickery

At the beginning of the fourteenth century, Gedemin, Lithuanian Prince,
addressed himself to the Pope, demanding his protection against the Order.
Kotzebue says that his letter shows up the "black spirit" of the Order:

"Gedemin wanted to become a Christian. The pious Knights attempted to hinder
this, because for their own purposes of potential conquest, they would rather
have his lands remain heathen territory. Through royal grants Gedemin invited
all sorts of immigrants, artists, artisans and farmers to resettle in
Lithuania. To the Order this seemed a very serious matter. It appeared to
them a plundering of their own States, which had become depopulated through
unholy wars. Who would come to Prussia in the future, they concluded-with
reason—and there submit to their excesses, if these people had been promised
by a powerful ruler peaceful shelter, protection, justice and liberty? To
hinder this, the Knights had to utilize every means and practice every evil,
if necessary. They had before disrespectfully broken the seal of the Grand
Duke. Now they did not hesitate to intercept his letters, none of which, save
those to Rome, ever reached their destinations. So that posterity might some
day recognize their cunning and give them credit for their knavish trickery,
they were imprudent enough to file these letters in their archives instead of
destroying them. As it is, these letters, after 600 years, are so many
irrefutable witnesses against the Knights.

"In order to block the only secure road leading to Lithuania, they spread
slanderous rumors to the effect that Masovia had been cruelly razed by
Gedemin. Actually, Gedemin's letter described Duke Boleslas of Masovia as his
only friend, through whose country one might safely travel in the pilgrimage
to Lithuania. The difficulty with which letters were forwarded at this time
made this knavery possible; and their slander even found its way into
history. Such a circumstance appears less surprising when one takes into
account the great number of lies officially set in motion, unhindered because
no one dares to deny them-this even in our own times, despite all the means
at our disposal for disseminating truth.

"Thus is posterity deceived.

"The letters addressed to the Pope were not intercepted by the Order, either
because they did not dare to do so, or because their bearers escaped the
Knights' vigilance. That the pagan Grand Duke, rather than the Pope's own
warriors, sons of the Church and Knights of the Blessed Virgin, received the
protection of the Holy Father, is the best indication of how contemptible was
the Order

[CTRL] [2a] The Thousand Year Conspiracy

[Kris Millegan]

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 -Cui Bono?-

The Thousand Year Conspiracy - Secret Germany Behind the Mask
Paul Winkler
Charles Scribner’s Sons©1943
New York
381 pps. – First Edition – Out-of-print
--[2a]--
CHAPTER II
THE CAVALCADE OF THE TEUTONIC KNIGHTS

EVERY PLAN FOR intemational regulation which has been put into practice, or
merely proposed (including the League of Nations), presupposes a common
ethical principle among the participants. Without such a similarity of moral
views it is impossible to achieve any international stability whatsoever.
Religions, and the schools of philosophy which they have inspired, have
successfully brought the leading nations of the world to a more or less
common moral denominator. From this angle, Christianity is not in sharp
conflict with Mohammedanism, Buddhism, and Brahmanism.

Prusso-Teutonism and the Fehme

The Catholic Church at first, then Lutheranism, performed the task of ethical
education in Germany too. It can hardly be said that the masses of the German
people are influenced by the moral teachings of religion to a lesser degree
than other nations. But separate from the "Christian" moral influence—which
still carries weight with large portions of the German population—two
distinct developments are discernible. These derive from a very different,
much more primitive moral concept, barbarous from one point of view and in
any case pre-Christian.

To say that these two developments stem from pre-Christian ethics may on the
surface seem contradictory, for both arise in direct line from organizations
of a definitely religious character. The Prusso-Teutonic tradition (or
briefly "Prussianism") originates directly from the religious Order of
Teutonic Knights, and the "Fehmic" tradition is derived from the notorious Feh
me)* the blood-tribunal of the Middle Ages, which had definite ties to the
church. But centuries have elapsed since both organizations discarded all
their religious characteristics.[ * Also called Vehme or Veme.]

Immediately before the first World War, the problem of "Prussianism" was
often subjected to the scrutiny of the world and was held responsible for
German ambitions of that period. Feeling the danger, the Prussian group acted
according to time-honored principles for outwitting savage animals: "If you
are without a weapon and fear the lion, lie down and play dead."

The trick succeeded, and it is currently believed that the old "Prussian" or
"Junker" menace has practically died out since Hitler's accession to power in
Germany.** It is extremely important that we penetrate this camouflage. It is
not only useful to reveal the connection between Prussianism and present-day
Germany; it is equally useful to show clearly the roots from which
Prussianisin originated in history long before Frederick II of Prussia and
the Great Elector. Only by understanding what these roots were can we
appreciate what present-day Germany really is.[ ** Heinrich Hauser, in Time
Was-Death of a Junker, bewails the passing of the Prussian Junker, and has
succeeded in arousing sentimental regrets among his readers that these "good
people" are no more. (Hauser's good faith in the matter is not questioned
here.)]

Prussianism, in its usual interpretation, hangs in the air. Isolated from its
past and from its present, it represents nothing more than an historical
curiosity with no direct significance for our times.

For us "Prussianism" goes back to the early part of the thirteenth century
and is still very much alive in our day. It is the heir of the
world-embracing ambitions of the Carolingian and "Holy Roman" Emperors—but at
the same time it is also what it became during the centuries in the stuffy
and nauseating hot-house of East Prussia.

The principal events in Germany between the two World Wars, the reasons for
Hitler's rise to power and the events that followed can be understood only by
a thorough scrutiny of the Prusso-Teutonic and Fehmic organizations. This
should enable us also to understand better the connections between various
writers—"theologians of Prussianism," a few of whom we have cited—and the
motives which were sufficiently powerful to make them unanimously adopt an
attitude in the question of morals which our moral sense, faithful to
tradition, strenuously rejects.

The Rulers of Prussia

Before we go back to the origins of the Prusso-Teutonic conspiracy we may
recall that the "Germany" we know is not the same as the Empire which bore
this name until 1806. That Empire was composed of a number of little States
whose principles of government were almost all similar to those of other
European States and whose ethical doctrines were essentially Christian.

In the second half of the nineteenth century a remarkable manoeuvre was
effected. Prussia, one of these States (the only State whose principles were
profoundly different from those of other German and foreign States),
succeeded in imposing her rule-at first in 1866 over the other North German
Stat

[CTRL] [endsecrecy] Ralph Nader Secrets

[lloyd]

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..

>From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html

From: Remy C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: endsecrecy list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [endsecrecy] Ralph Nader Secrets
Date: Monday, March 20, 2000 12:53 PM

From:
http://www.nypost.com/03192000/editorial/26477.htm

New York Post
Sunday March 19th 2000

RALPH NADER'S DIRTY LITTLE SECRET

Move over Al Gore and George W. Bush. Here comes Ralph Nader.
Mr. Sanctimonious has declared himself the Green Party presidential
standard-bearer. He hopes to get 5 percent of the national vote in November.

Nader's message is just as predictable this time around as it was in 1996,
when he launched a half-hearted presidential campaign: "It is time to stand
up to the rich and powerful corporate interests that dictate policy in this
country."

No surprises there: Nader has built his career on bashing corporate America
over alleged product liabilities. And he's among the most strident foes of
tort reform, opposing any and all efforts to limit the multimillion-dollar
jury verdicts that enrich a tiny band of tort lawyers.

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limited his total campaign spending to just $5,000 and refused to accept any
contributions, charging that money has "corrupted" politics. This time
around, he intends to raise "millions" in campaign funds.

This means, just maybe, that the veil of secrecy that has long shrouded
Nader's own finances may be lifted.

That $5,000 limit last time around exempted Nader from filing
financial-disclosure forms. But if he runs a "real campaign" this year,
he'll be subject to the same disclosure requirements as his rivals. Nader's
self-portrait paints him as a do-gooder, toiling for the common

welfare while eschewing life's comforts. But an exhaustive 1990
investigation by Forbes magazine revealed something else altogether.

Rather than living on a meager salary in a "simple" basement apartment with
an address kept hidden even from his closest aides, Forbes discovered, Nader
has for decades resided in a sumptuous, multimillion-dollar Washington
townhouse owned by his sister.

As far back as the early '70s, Nader was earning $250,000 annually. Now he
makes up to 100 speeches a year -- for five-figure sums. And his supposedly
ragtag volunteer outfit is an empire of 29 organizations with combined
annual revenues of more than $80 million.

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and -- most particularly -- the plaintiff-lawyer lobby.

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support him overtly, covertly, in every way possible. We give him a huge
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Re: [CTRL] Traditional medicine. . .

[tenebroust]

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On Mon, 27 March 2000, Don Huffman wrote:

>
> -Caveat Lector-   http://www.ctrl.org/">
>  -Cui Bono?-
>
> Bill:
>
> Is it true that much of traditional medicine is derived from folk medi-
> cine and traditional medicine synthesied herbal medicine and got a pat-
> ent and charge much money for it?
>
>
> Don Huffman
I am not exactly sure what it is your asking but I will attempt an answer based on 
what it is I think you want to know.  I believe that tradition medicine (by that I 
take it you mean the kind that is practiced by licensed physicians) is derived in 
large part from folk medicine and traditional medicinal approaches, BUT today there is 
such a proliferation of new drugs which are artifially created chemicals, some of 
which mimic the actions of natural chemical compounds found within animals or plants 
that it is virtually a whole new field apart from any traditional approaches.
The drugs that are patented are artificially created, no natural products, which are 
not chemically altered, can be patented.  This is why we have such a huge selection of 
herbs and other "natural" "medicines" that we may take, and why they do not require 
presciptions and remain available to any and all who choose to take them.  Thus Ginkgo 
Biloba, and St. Johns Wort, both of which have some good scientific evidence 
supporting their effectiveness for the treatment of various disorders, are available 
over the counter, and are not a patentable medicine, they are natural unadulterated 
products.

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[CTRL] FW: Patriot Action Television Network

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hmm... Press Pass anyone ?


Dave Hartley
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Patriot Action Television Network
http://sites.netscape.net/inyourfacetv/patv

If you are willing to carry a rifle for freedom...You should also be
willing to carry a camcorder for freedom.

WE DARE YOU TO PUT UP OR SHUT UP, TRUTH IS A VIRUS!

You can help us dominate the airwaves by calling your local cable company
and asking to be placed on the local public access channel.

1.Fill out the forms.
2.Request a prime time slot.
3.Send us your time and channel and whether or not you wish to be an
affiliate Camcorder Commando or anchor.

Finally there are enough informed Americans to conduct a full frontal media
charge!

A squad of Camcorder Commandos with fixed microphones will do more damage
to the enemy than a million bullets.

THE EMPIRE IS ON THE RUN!  WE ARE ON THE MARCH!

Any General knows if the enemy is retreating...You don't let them regroup.

P.A.T.V.  will operate like an army in the field with Battalion Commanders,
Platoons, Scouts, and Spies.

Militia units should be used to this concept.  All others will be trained
in cable boot camp.

IMPORTANT NOTE!!!

Your local T.V.  News channel has NO claim on what is or isn't news.  If
you have access to the cable system, simply declare yourself a news crew
and you are "one".
No special news license exists!

P.A.T.V.  will back you up on whatever kind of press credentials you care
to use.  Create a press pass for yourself on a desktop publisher, (or have
your friends do it).  Include the words P.A.T.V.  CABLE NEWS OFFICIAL
BUSINESS---(Email us so we know.)

Here is your assignment...

Walk into your local city hall with cameraman press pass, etc

And start asking hard core questions.

(If you've been involved in the patriot fight for any length at all...You
will know what to say.)

Send us the tape.  We will edit all tapes from ALL over the country into
one powerful documentary and send it back to you, plus put it on the
Internet!

Who you gonna shoot?

(with a TV camera)

THE MAYOR, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE POLICE CHIEF, THE SHERIFF, CONGRESSMEN,
PESKY TV ANCHOR LEFTISTS (they hate that) NEWSPAPER REPORTERS (who wouldn't
know a story if it bit 'em!)

Shoot EVERYBODY and not get arrested.  You don't leave messy bodies laying
around...PLUS...If they're really idiots in person, TV magnifies that
100X's!!!

Besides, You've been thrown out of better places...Right?!?

No.1 Rule...If they are a public servant in a public place---they're FAIR
GAME!!!

PUT IT IN THEIR FACE!

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[CTRL] Proseletyzing and stuff. . .

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Okay everyone!  Let's all just take a deep breath on this whole David 
Koresh/Islam/personal attacks/religious proseletyzing thing okay?!
This list is NOT about telling us all about a great religion OR religious leader we 
should all believe in and follow.  It is NOT about denigrating the beliefs of others.  
It is NOT about trying to win converts in a holy crusade.  This list is an information 
exchange list.  If you have something to say about the conspiracy surrounding the 
death of Koresh and the Davidians at Waco then please post it.  If there is a tie in 
with his beliefs then please make some connection between them and the conspiracy that 
existed against him, and his church, or don't bother to tell us about all of his 
various religious beliefs and practices which have nothing at all to do with the 
purpose of this list.
Please do NOT engage in the denigration of others religious beliefs.  Religion is a 
personal matter of belief and faith and as such is immune to argument and not a 
subject that is open to debate since you will go on believing your point of view 
regardless of what anyone may say to refute it.  I say this to everyone, that includes 
those who would denigrate X98 in his belief in Koresh (if he has one) as the Messiah 
or whatever.  BUT, this list is NOT FOR THE PROPOGATION of those beliefs.  This is a 
conspiracy discussion list.  If you have a conspiracy then state your case, and if you 
need to bring religion into it to clarify or make your points better understood then 
do so, and WITHOUT the denigration of others, OR the attempts to win converts, OR 
telling us all the doctrines of the faith (whatever it may be), OR quoting AT LENGTH 
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Re: [CTRL]

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Bill:

Is it true that much of traditional medicine is derived from folk medi-
cine and traditional medicine synthesied herbal medicine and got a pat-
ent and charge much money for it?


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Re: [CTRL] FOXTER...do something about this prosyletizing?

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Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
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> On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Marlea Linse wrote:
>
> > Where may one find info regarding the canons of Islam??
>
> Isn't that what Gerald Bull was selling to Iraq?
> FWP.


I truly hate to say it Poley, but it's a good one.

Joshua2 ;\

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Re: [CTRL] IM: Klayman: Criminals in the White House? (fwd)

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"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:
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> In a message dated 03/27/2000 6:17:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> << Why would you want him to go away? He is out to expose the
>  corrupt Clinton administration. This is a good thing.
>
>  I hope that there will be an equivalent " Larry Klayman " to
>  go after brain dead Bush Jr. when he becomes president. >>
>
> We've had the Clinton administration exposed to the point where it has become
> mind boggling.   And if Larry Klayman is the moralist he keeps telling us, we
> shouldn't need to find an equivalent.  He should be right on the spot and
> ready.

Actually, I heard him say that very thing. But talk is cheap, and I know
who he hangs with.

J2

God knows the Bush family can teach us all about corruption; they are
> masters.  Prudy.

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Re: [CTRL] onelist info

[Foxter]

Title: -- Judicial Watch --



ONE LIST INFO I GOT:
 
==I'm passing on this 
message since it pertains to onelist and how theysend mail through - not 
that I have seen much language on this list thatI would object too, if they 
consider skin objectionable we could all bein trouble... Onelist 
has added a new feature that some might find objectionable andsome might 
find desirable. They have added something called a "FamilyFilter", which 
filters out list e-mail that might have language somepeople don't want to 
see in their e-mail. The first problem is THEYDIDN'T NOTIFY MEMBERS and they 
added the feature and added it TURNED ON!!! It has been slowing down the 
mail but worst af all, is that it'skeeping some mail from getting through. 
HOW TO *TURN OFF* THE "FAMILY FILTER" Go to www.onelist.com once you 
are logged on make sure you are on their home page. You shouldsee a section 
right on the page that says "Join a Group"--just BELOWthose words you should 
see the search area, and right above the spacewhere you type in what you're 
searching for, you should see the words"Family Filter On" . Click right on 
those words to turn it off, ifturning it off is what you choose to do. If, 
as some people have, youfind the filter says it's off the first time you 
check, you can justleave it that way, or click right on the words to turn it 
on, if that'swhat you prefer. When you're finished, whatever your "on" or 
"off"preference is, click on "done", This will turn the Family Filter off 
andyou will receive all your onelist e-mail without their 
automaticfiltering. I suggest you write and complain, and let any other 
Onelist groups youare with know about this. The issue is not the filter 
itself, but thefact that they added this feature and turned it on without 
telling theirusers, and without letting them know they had a choice. I 
noticed that Iwas not receiving a lot of my Onelist mail and my lists 
seemedabnormally quiet for the last couple of days. I want to receive all 
mylist mail and decide *for myself* what I want to read and what I'm 
notinterested in. Everyone has different needs and some might like 
thefilter being on, but I do not!

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[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

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From: "William Shannon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> << I'm not talking about government bureaucracy, but private
insurance
>  companies. >>
>
> Same principle...they likely figure that the placebo effect will
placate some
> problem patients...

You obviously haven't dealt with insurance companies lately...they are
NOT
interested in placating anyone, except their investors.  They
routinely
deny treatments left and right, in the name of 'economy'...

> < such 'placebos' instead of with your vaunted allopathic protocols?>>
>
> You answered you own question...it's the placebo effect...

No, I only quoted your own terminology -- 'placebo' -- back to you.

If alternative treatments are nothing but 'placebos', you still
haven't
explained why more people find such 'placebos' effective, than they do
traditional medicine.

Why don't traditional protocols have a comparable 'placebo' effect on
people?


> < your traditional medicine?>>
>
> Well, no doubt there are adverse reactions and outright
> malpractice...however, since what you call "traditional" medicine is
where
> most sick people turn and since there is such a thing as a terminal
illness,
> you're bound to find deaths...Are you familiar with some of the
horrible
> maimings and even deaths that have resulted from chiropractic care?

Far less than the horrible maimings and even deaths at the hands of
allopathic
doctors...


June

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Re: [CTRL] FOXTER...do something about this prosyletizing?

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Foxter wrote:
>
> ÿþ<

You need to brush up on youre speling skils.

J2

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Re: [CTRL] FOXTER...do something about this prosyletizing?

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From: "Foxter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To June, no I have not read the Koran.

Your posts make that sorely evident.

I suggest that you endeavor to get your information from the
direct source, rather than filtered thru the media...

I'd like to know if you can even tell us who the deity the
Moslems worship is, and "Allah" is NOT an acceptable answer.
Please describe IN DETAIL who this deity is, compared to the
deity worshipped by Jews and Christians.  Also tell us what
relationship the religion of Islam has with Judaism and
Christianity...


June

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<< I'm not talking about government bureaucracy, but private insurance
 companies. >>

Same principle...they likely figure that the placebo effect will placate some
problem patients...

<>

You answered you own question...it's the placebo effect...add to that the
fact that many who claim miracle cures with expensive sugar pills or massage
often turn to them as a last resort, and that at this time the body's own
immune system is doing it's thing...timing is often the key between a bad
doctor and a great one.

<>

Well, no doubt there are adverse reactions and outright
malpractice...however, since what you call "traditional" medicine is where
most sick people turn and since there is such a thing as a terminal illness,
you're bound to find deaths...Are you familiar with some of the horrible
maimings and even deaths that have resulted from chiropractic care?

Bill.

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[CTRL] Faster-than-light energy transmission system developed!

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United States Patent  6,025,810 (URL: http://www.uspto.gov)
Strom  February 15, 2000

Hyper-light-speed antenna


Abstract
A method to transmit and receive electromagnetic waves which comprises
generating opposing magnetic fields having a plane of maximum force running
perpendicular to a longitudinal axis of the magnetic field; generating a
heat source along an axis parallel to the longitudinal axis of the magnetic
field; generating an accelerator parallel to and in close proximity to the
heat source, thereby creating an input and output port; and generating a
communications signal into the input and output port, thereby sending the
signal at a speed faster than light.


Inventors:  Strom; David L. (1615 Geneva St., Aurora, CO 80010)
Appl. No.:  942824
Filed:  October 2, 1997

U.S. Class: 343/787; 343/711; 343/721; 343/895
Intern'l Class:  H01Q 001/32
Field of Search:  343/711,713,721,725,787,788,895



References Cited [Referenced By]


U.S. Patent Documents
5714959 Feb., 1998 Troy et al. 343/713.

Primary Examiner: Wong; Don
Assistant Examiner: Clinger; James
Attorney, Agent or Firm: Martin; Rick


Parent Case Text


CROSS-REFERENCE TO RELATED APPLICATION

This application is a non-provisional application claiming the benefits of
provisional application No. 60/028,204 filed Oct. 2, 1996.


Claims



1. A method to transmit and receive electromagnetic waves comprising:

generating opposing magnetic fields each having a plane of maximum force
running perpendicular to a longitudinal axis of the respective magnetic
field;

generating heat from a heat source along an axis parallel to the
longitudinal axis of the magnetic field;

generating an accelerator parallel to and in close proximity to the heat
source, thereby creating an electromagnetic injection point; and

generating a communication signal into the electromagnetic injection point,
thereby sending and receiving the communication signal at a speed faster
than a known speed of light.

2. The method of claim 1, wherein said magnetic fields are generated by
electromagnets.

3. The method of claim 1, wherein said magnetic fields are generated by
permanent magnets.

4. The method of claim 2, wherein said electromagnets are wound with 2500
turns of 22 AWG wire.

5. The method of claim 1, wherein the temperature of said heat source is at
least 1000 degrees Fahrenheit.

6. The method of claim 1, wherein said heat source further comprises a
620-watt Halogen lamp.

7. The method of claim 1, wherein said accelerator is linear in
polarization.

8. The method of claim 1, wherein said accelerator is circular in
polarization.

9. The method of claim 1, wherein said communications signal is generated by
a magnetic injection assembly and a BNC connector.

10. The method of claim 9, wherein said magnetic injection assembly further
comprises a one-quarter wavelength coil antenna.

11. The method of claim 9, wherein said magnetic injection assembly further
comprises a three-quarter wavelength coil antenna.

12. The method of claim 1, wherein said accelerator is wrapped around said
heat source.

13. An improved antenna comprising:

a heat source;

at least one magnetic field source in close proximity with said heat source;

an electromagnetic injection point formed in close proximity to said
magnetic field source;

at least one accelerator in close proximity with said heat source; and

an electromagnetic signal inserter placed at said electromagnetic injection
point whereby a communication signal may be generated through said signal
inserter, thereby sending the signal at a speed faster than light.

14. The improved antenna of claim 13, wherein the temperature of said heat
source is at least 1000 degrees Fahrenheit.

15. The improved antenna of claim 13, wherein said magnetic field source
further comprises an electromagnet or permanent magnet.

16. The improved antenna of claim 13, wherein said accelerator is linear or
circular in polarization.

17. The improved antenna of claim 13, wherein said electromagnetic signal
inserter further comprises a magnetic injection assembly and a BNC
connector.

18. An improved antenna comprising:

a heat source;

first and second electromagnets in close proximity with said heater, said
first and second electromagnets each creating an opposing magnetic field;

an electromagnetic injection point formed at the intersection of said
opposing magnetic fields;

first and second accelerators in close proximity with said heat source; and

an electromagnetic signal inserter placed at said electromagnetic injection
point whereby a communication signal may be generated through said signal
inserter, thereby sending the signal at a speed faster than light.

19. The improved antenna of claim 18, wherein said heater further comprises
a 620-watt Halogen lamp.

20. The improved antenna of claim 18, wherein the temperature of said heat
source is at least 1000 degrees Fahrenheit.

21. The improved a

Re: [CTRL] About Wicca

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

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From: "Foxter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Are there other laws pagans live by?  Are they on the net somewhere?

There is no one 'flavor' of paganism, just like there is no one
flavor of Christianity

Use any search engine on the word 'pagan', you're bound to find more
than a handful of sites...


June

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Re: [CTRL]

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

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From: "William Shannon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <<  And if it was such a 'quack', why do insurance companies,
>  in this day and age when they are severely cutting back on
>  what they will pay for, continue to expand their coverage
>  to chiropractic and other 'alternative' forms of medicine? >>
>
> I don't know...but they really ought to reexamine this policy. Did
you see
> the 60 Minutes piece last night about Medicare paying for
"treatments" at a
> Christian Science "Healing" Center?

I'm not talking about government bureaucracy, but private insurance
companies.


> Maybe they think that the placebo effect, proven to exist, is an
inexpensive
> way to placate problem (read chronic, "professional") patients..

Perhaps you can explain why more people find effective treatment with
such
'placebos' instead of with your vaunted allopathic protocols?

Perhaps you'd care to tell us about all the people who are harmed via
your
traditional medicine?


June

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Re: [CTRL] FOXTER...do something about this prosyletizing?

[Foxter]

ÿþ<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">

<HTML><HEAD>

<META content="text/html; charset=unicode" http-equiv=Content-Type>

<META content="MSHTML 5.00.2722.2800" name=GENERATOR>

<STYLE></STYLE>

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<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>

<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face="Futura Md BT" size=4>&nbsp;I am a Ms. Foxter not 

a Mr. Foxter but that is ok.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>

<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face="Futura Md BT" size=4>There are rabidly stupid 

Christians, too--for example, those who think those possessed with the devil 

need "exorcism" (annihilation) or my favorite alma mater people the Christian 

Scientists who say sickness and even death just don't exist.&nbsp; So I would 

hate to be associated with thinking that all the nutcakes are in one 

religion.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>

<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>

<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face="Futura Md BT" size=4>To June, no I have not read 

the Koran.</FONT></DIV>

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style="BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">

  <DIV><BR></DIV>

  <DIV><FONT size=2>To: FOXTER:</FONT></DIV>

  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>

  <DIV><FONT size=2>The Information which you gave is accurate and correct. 

  Perhaps we can take</FONT><FONT size=2>&nbsp;that </FONT></DIV>

  <DIV><FONT size=2>in</FONT><FONT size=2> consideration when we review the 

  following News Story I just picked off CNN:</FONT></DIV>

  <DIV><FONT 

  size=2>__________________________________________________________________</FONT></DIV>

  <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>

  <DIV><FONT size=2>"&nbsp;ARREST OF AL-AMIN RAISES CLAIMS OF STEREOTYPING OF 

  MUSLIMS:"</FONT></DIV>

  <DIV><FONT 

  size=2>__________________________________________________________________<BR><BR>" 

  When the former black militant Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin was arrested in 

  rural<BR>Alabama, some Muslims say it only perpetuated an ugly stereotype that 

  Muslims<BR>are violent radicals.&nbsp;&nbsp; The former Black Panther, who 

  changed his name from H.<BR>Rap Brown upon converting to Islam, is accused of 

  shooting two sheriff's<BR>deputies -- one fatally -- in Atlanta. He was caught 

  last week in Lowndes<BR>County, the same backwoods region of Alabama where he 

  helped lead a voting<BR>rights push in the 1960s."<BR><BR>.... <A 

  href="http://CNN.com/2000/US/03/26/rap.brown.muslims.ap/index.html">http://CNN.com/2000/US/03/26/rap.brown.muslims.ap/index.html</A></FONT></DIV>

 

Re: [CTRL] About Wicca

[Foxter]

Are there other laws pagans 
live by?  Are they on the net somewhere?
Thanks.
 
 

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[CTRL] EU To Probe Echelon

[William Shannon]

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EU assembly set to launch "spy" system inquiry


Updated 12:37 PM ET March 27, 2000
By Yves Clarisse
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The Green Party's European deputies said Monday they had
garnered enough support to begin an inquiry into allegations that the United
States uses an electronic surveillance system for industrial espionage.

"We have the signatures of more than 160 parliamentarians," Isabelle Zerrouk,
spokeswoman the European Parliament's Green Group, told Reuters.

Under the assembly's rules, 160 of the 626 parliament members must endorse
the demand for a committee.

The creation of a committee of inquiry is a rare event in the EU. The last
such inquiry probed so-called "mad cow" disease and succeeded in extracting
proposals from the 15-nation bloc for tighter food safety arrangements.

The new committee will probe the Echelon electronic surveillance system
developed during the Cold War by the United States in conjunction with
Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

The system is able to intercept millions of telephone, fax and e-mail
messages.

The parliamentarians demanded the probe last month after a British journalist
Duncan Campbell presented the assembly with a report saying that Echelon was
used by the U.S. for military and industrial espionage.

The report charged, among other things, that the United States used Echelon
to beat the European consortium Airbus to an aircraft deal with Saudi Arabia
in 1994.

Charges that Britain had helped Washington drew angry reactions from other EU
countries, notably France.

The United States has denied spying for American firms. Britain has also
denied misusing the system.

A former CIA director, James Woolsey, said earlier this month in reaction to
the spying allegations that most European technology was not worth stealing.

The European Parliament is to issue a statement on the Echelon system
Thursday. The European Commission, the EU's executive body, has stressed that
there is no formal proof of the alleged espionage.

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[CTRL] Government Agents Hold My Husband Captive...as we speak (fwd)

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-Original Message-
From: Steven R. Elswick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: David Crockett Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, March 24, 2000 10:58 PM
Subject: Government Agents Hold My Husband Captive...as we speak


My husband was forced into restraints and abducted by federal
agents, on March 23rd.. .

We had a court date...9AM...the second Judge Strand walked out of
the courtroom, three mutants seized him and forced him away from
me

I walked downtown to the building housing a radio station and
informed the employees there, that my husband was being held
captive on the eighth floor of the Federal Courthouse!No one
wanted to put my statement on the air.

Does anyone have any media connections!?!? Can you imagine radio
stations will air news of a lost pet...but not a political
prisoner...

Last month we entered a written motion to Judge Strand, in which
we documented criminal acts by FBI, ATF, Federal
Prosecutor...Welty...PD's office.various employees of 9th
District law enforcement agencies from AZ to Louisiana...all
committing violations under color of law!!!

Included among the crimes documentedinterstate
kidnappingconspiracy...

He walked into the courtroom yesterday morning...a free
man...ready for battlebut these vile creatures who are paid
for committing human rights violations; they are a disgusting
lotThey feed off the oppressedThey create crimeand
designate the criminals.


Well, I shall designate a few criminals, myself.These laws
that they distortare to be used for their intended
purpose...To ensure due processuphold the rights with which
we are all born...Use the laws against law enforcement!

They violate our very souls.Their self-proclaimed authority
status is an illusion in their own mindsDo not be taken in by
their deluded claims...NO MAN has authority over anotherNO
MAN can afford himself the right to affect another's physical
freedom!

Every person incarcerated Charles Manson tooThese fellow
humans have as much right to exist in physical freedom as any one
of us

These acts committed by law enforcement go against the ways of
nature and must be recognized for the abominations that they
are

To lock a person away from their families, their children, their
loverstheir birth right must be recognized and honored... not
usurped by a government that is so pitifully weak as to waste the
resources of those brilliant beings who are forced into
institutions

Free the prisoners...for they are the persecuted.File proper
charges against those officers of the court who have violated
you..Take back some of the tax money that they spit on...I do not
need to hire a lawyer..I lifted some law books!

John waived his right to court-appt counselHe and me and
Steve have compiled our own motionsWe can take our courtrooms
back...and we mustWe HAVE THE CAPABILITY.WE HAVE THE
RIGHTWE HAVE THE DETERMINATIONTHE KNOWLEDGE IS IN THE
BOOKSAND THE LAW...AGAINST THE LAW.IS A POWERFUL
THANG!

CONTACT ME ASAP IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS OR SOLUTIONS OR ANY INPUT @
ALL... FAY FOURNET BAKER...PHONE...520.424.3581...OR
520.424.9397FAX...520.424.3589

KEEP THE FAITH


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[CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: Fw: "The Truth Exposed" by Mr. X (fwd)

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:44:55 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: Fw: "The Truth Exposed"  by Mr. X

From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Yo' Teacher of YHVHFWP here, aka Dr. X. Tell us about a "Culture of
Truth".
FWP

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[CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: ANTI-CHRIST JEWS (fwd)

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:42:53 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: ANTI-CHRIST JEWS

From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Is there any discernable difference betweeen Pro-Christ and Anti-Christ
Jews? If so, what is it?
FWP

On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Teacher of YHVH wrote:

> ANTI-CHRIST JEWS
>
> 
>
> There are a lot of Christians who are so "wishy washy" they are afraid of their 
>shadow. They don't believe Christians should be militant for their faith. They can't 
>or won't understand the meaning of Hebrews 12:4, where it says: "Ye have not resisted 
>unto death, striving against sin." (That word "sin means "unrighteousness.") They 
>turn their backs on the fact that God declares we are His Battleaxe.(Jeremiah 51:20). 
>It is the Christians duty to take a stand against evil, not to support and coddle it!
>
> The Jewish Question has been in America for a long time. Our Founding Fathers 
>recognized it and there was heavy debate about whether they would allow Jews to come 
>to this country. Benjamin Franklin, speaking before the Continental Congress in 
>Philadelphia, 1778 said: "There is a great menace in the United States today and that 
>great menace, gentlemen, is the Jew. In whatever country Jews have settled in great 
>numbers, they have lowered its moral tone, depreciated its commercial integrity; have 
>segregated themselves and have not been assimilated, have sneered at the Christian 
>religion upon which this nation was founded. They have built up a state within a 
>State and have, when opposed, tried to strangle that country to death financially.
>
> "If you do not exclude them from the United States in the Constitution, in less that 
>200 years they will have swarmed in, in such numbers that they will dominate and 
>devour the land and change our form of government.
>
> "If you do not exclude them, in less that 200 years, our descendants will be working 
>in the fields to furnish substance, while they will be in the counting houses, 
>rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jew for all 
>time, your children will curse you in your graves. Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatic; they 
>will never be otherwise." (UNQ)
>
> He was mighty accurate in this prediction. In 1987, the 200 years will be up. They 
>have already changed our government and are well on their way to controlling it.
>
> For many years, the original of this statement was found in the Pinckney Papers at 
>the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia. (Scores of affidavits attest to this.) But 
>just as in any other document, which shows them as they really are, the Jews have 
>cried: "Fake!" When the heat got too much, so great was Jewish power, that these 
>papers were removed, just as Martin Luther's statement were taken out of the Lutheran 
>Church. There is evidence that the Pinckney Papers were removed from the Franklin 
>Institute under instructions from the Jewish Secretary of the Treasury, Henry 
>Morgenthau, Jr., who served under both Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Harry Truman.
>
> This Jewish problem must be discussed openly and frankly by both Christians and 
>Jews, if there is to be an answer other than violence. Since it touches the lives of 
>millions of people in this country, they have the right to know the truth.
>
> Possibly some of you are thinking: "Why get involved with such a controversial 
>subject?"
>
> My answer to this must be to go back to history and say that the Jewish question has 
>been raised in every country where Jews have settled in any number. All that is 
>necessary to confirm this is to look at history. Jews have been persecuted, not 
>because they are God's people and Satan hates them, as some fundamental preachers 
>would have you believe, but because they are as the Apostle Paul said in I 
>Thessalonians 2:15 - "...they please not God, and are CONTRARY TO ALL MEN." (Emphasis 
>added.)
>
> Mr. Ford said: "We meet the Jew everywhere in the upper circles, literally 
>everywhere there is power. That is where the Jewish question begins - in very simple 
>terms - How does he get there? What does the fact of his being there mean to the 
>world? That is the Jewish Question! Why do Jews so habitually and so resistlessly 
>gravitate to the highest places? Who puts him there? Why is he put there?
>
> "The Jew has been too long accustomed to think of himself exclusively the claimant 
>on the humanitarianism of society; society has a large claim against him...that he 
>cease exploiting the world; that he cease making Jewish groups the end and all of his 
>gains, and that he begins to fulfill the ancient prophecies, he boasts of fulfilling; 
>that in the Jews, all nations w

Re: [CTRL] FOXTER...do something about this prosyletizing?

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> Where may one find info regarding the canons of Islam??

Try reading the Koran.

Something "Foxter" obviously has not done.


June

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Mass Killing "Psyop"

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The Colt AR-15 Shoots a hi velocity .223" bullet designed to WOUND not
KILL!
If the hit/kill ratio was that high an expert must have used it.
The people in the professional protection industry call it the poodle
shooter.

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[CTRL] Un report

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Hello, I just posted a new page onmy web site, 12 reasons to get out of
the United nAtions
go to
www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/unreport.html
Enjoy

visit my web site at  www.voicenet.com/~wbacon

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Re: [CTRL]

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In a message dated 3/27/00 6:04:03 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<  And if it was such a 'quack', why do insurance companies,
 in this day and age when they are severely cutting back on
 what they will pay for, continue to expand their coverage
 to chiropractic and other 'alternative' forms of medicine? >>

I don't know...but they really ought to reexamine this policy. Did you see
the 60 Minutes piece last night about Medicare paying for "treatments" at a
Christian Science "Healing" Center? The fact is that they pay for a lot of BS.
Maybe they think that the placebo effect, proven to exist, is an inexpensive
way to placate problem (read chronic, "professional") patients..

<< I'm sure we'll now find you providing some treatise condemning
neurologists and/or hydrotherapy, too...>>

Nah...not unless someone claims that hydrotherapy cures cancer or AIDS or
something equally inane...


Peace,
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Re: [CTRL] Will someone do something

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In a message dated 3/27/00 12:24:11 AM Central Standard Time,
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<< Look Tara, what I am posting is vital information on the sickest criminal
conspiracy of the century. Because it is connected with the Bible  is not of
my making. I am asking no one to believe anything. These are the David's
teachings.  >>

YIKES!!
Not only are we subject to "proselytizing propagandic screeds" but we're
subject to the deranged rantings of a confirmed manic Koresh...what's next?
Maybe someone will trumpet the Moonie line...or the Hare Krishna's...or Bo
and Peep from that other suicidal cult...

Bill.

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[CTRL] Juvenile murders: Guns least of it (fwd)

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[The > s were added for emphasis.  --MS]


Christian Science Monitor

Monday, March 27, 2000

 By Iain Murray

The murder of six-year-old Kayla Rolland, the Michigan
first-grader shot by a classmate last month, sparked rightful
outrage about firearms and the killing of American children.

But in the rush to reduce America's high juvenile homicide rates
into a gun-control debate, we're missing the chilling bigger
picture of the real and deadly risks our children face, and what
it says about our society.

Kayla's murder prompted President Clinton to call for trigger
locks on all handguns.  And the American Association of
Pediatricians (AAP) urged doctors to discuss guns with all young
children they help.

Both calls for action relied on statistics from a recent
government study, "Kids and Guns." But that same report, by the
Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, contains
chilling information that our obsession with guns can obscure.
In other Western countries, the report tells us, the homicide
rate for children age 4 and under is just less than 1 per
100,000.

But it's quadruple that in the US, at 4.1 per 100,000.  And for
every American child 4 or younger, more than eight others die
violently by other means - blunt objects, strangulation, or, most
commonly, hands, fists, or feet.

Even in the 5 to 14 age range, the American nongun murder rate is
still more than twice as high as the international comparison
group - although the rate of murders by firearms does increase
considerably as children get older.

While the rate of child gun homicide in the US is much higher
than elsewhere - as everyone acknowledges - so is the rate of
nongun murder.  Even if all the gun homicides were taken out of
the equation, America would still have an infant-homicide rate
more than 3.5 times as high as the other Western countries.

This is a staggering revelation.  The concern over gun murders -
which is, of course, completely legitimate - is blinding us to
another significant social problem.

===> In 1997, 738 children under age 13 were murdered in the
===> US - just 133 by guns, according to the FBI.

America is witnessing something barbaric happening to its young
children.

These rates of child homicide would be incredible were they not
presented in official government figures.

===> Brianna Blackmond, a 23-month-old Washington, D.C., girl
===> who died in January from a blow to the head shortly after
===> being returned to her mother from a foster home, is more
===> typical of the young children killed in this country.  But how
===> much press attention did that death receive outside
===> Washington, compared with Kayla Rolland's tragic but
===> unusual death?

It is also important to note that the main thrust of the "Kids
and Guns" study is that the rise and subsequent fall in the
murder rate among older juveniles in the 1990s was driven by
firearm murders and the consequent gun-control measures.  But
this does not apply to murders of children aged 13 or younger.
The murder rate in that group was 1.8 per 100,000 in 1976 and 1.7
in 1997 (never having risen above 2.1 in the intervening 20
years). Children under 13 are being killed just about as often
now as they were during the height of the crack-fueled murder
boom of the early 1990s. If anything has been done to combat the
problem, it hasn't worked.

But on the other hand, child murder is not a dispersed problem -
it is tightly clustered geographically.  Eighty-five percent of
US counties reported no juvenile homicides in 1997, and only 7
percent experienced two or more.  In great swaths of the country,
child murder is virtually unknown.  The problem is confined
mainly to the big cities of the East and West coasts, and to the
Southwest.

Despite the attention paid to outbreaks of violence in peaceful
suburbs and schools, the overwhelming majority of child murders
happens elsewhere. This fact alone would imply that
across-the-board federal solutions affecting the entire country
may be misplaced.  The best use of government resources must
surely be to concentrate where the problem is greatest.  And for
pediatricians nationwide to talk to all young children about
guns, as the AAP proposes, is well-intentioned, but will achieve
little.

Certainly, gun murder of youths 13 to 19 is a significant
problem, but the characteristics of murder in this category are
clearly quite different than in the younger cohort.

By letting ourselves believe that guns are the problem for
pre-adolescents, we are avoiding the unpalatable truth that
something is very wrong in American society.  Yet we focus on
exceptional cases, and ignore the unsettling nature of the daily
reality.  There's a lesson here.  We may be able to reduce
child-murder rates to the levels of other countries if we
concentrate on what causes those murders - and guns aren't the
biggest factor.

There may even be a domino effect; children raised in an
envi

Re: [CTRL] IM: Klayman: Criminals in the White House? (fwd)

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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In a message dated 03/27/2000 6:17:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Why would you want him to go away? He is out to expose the
 corrupt Clinton administration. This is a good thing.

 I hope that there will be an equivalent " Larry Klayman " to
 go after brain dead Bush Jr. when he becomes president. >>

We've had the Clinton administration exposed to the point where it has become
mind boggling.   And if Larry Klayman is the moralist he keeps telling us, we
shouldn't need to find an equivalent.  He should be right on the spot and
ready.  God knows the Bush family can teach us all about corruption; they are
masters.  Prudy.

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[CTRL] War FOR Drugs

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>>>This is getting to be like a global scale Roaring '20s Chicago, for who
controls the dope.  They KNEW about the KLA and its nefariosity BEFORE Mar 99.
They've known about the Columbians for how many years?  It seems that the
solution is to become the biggest gangster and go in and take control of the
situation.  A<>E<>R <<<


>From MotherJones
http://www.motherjones.com/mother_jones/JF00/heroin.html

{{>
Heroin Heroes
The United States propped up the KLA in the Kosovo conflict. With Milosevic
gone, and no one in control, the former freedom fighters are now transforming
the province into a major conduit for global drug trafficking.
by Peter Klebnikov
January/February 2000

When the bombs stopped falling over Yugoslavia last June, a flood of humanity
swept through the Balkans as thousands of Kosovar Albanians returned home from
refugee camps. But over the craggy mountains separating Yugoslavia and Albania,
a far less innocent traffic returned. A fleet of Mercedes sedans without
license plates lined the streets of Kosovo's capital, Pristina, and young men
with hooded eyes and bulky suits checked into the top floors of showcase hotels
such as the Rogner in Tirana, the Albanian capital. It was time for criminal
elements with close ties to America's newest ally to reopen the traditional
Balkan Road -- one of the biggest conduits for global heroin trafficking.

Law enforcement officials in Europe have suspected for years that ties existed
between Kosovar rebels and Balkan drug smugglers. But in the six months since
Washington enthroned the Kosovo Liberation Army in that Yugoslav province, KLA-
associated drug traffickers have cemented their influence and used their new
status to increase heroin trafficking and forge links with other nationalist
rebel groups and drug cartels.

The benefits of the drug trade are evident around Pristina -- more so than
Western aid. "The new buildings, the better roads, and the sophisticated
weapons -- many of these have been bought by drugs," says Michel Koutouzis, the
Balkans region expert for the Global Drugs Monitor (OGD), a Paris-based think
tank. The repercussions of this drug connection are only now emerging, and many
Kosovo observers fear that the province could be evolving into a virtual narco-
state under the noses of 49,000 peacekeeping troops.

For hundreds of years, Kosovar Albanian smugglers have been among the world's
most accomplished dealers in contraband, aided by a propitious geography of
isolated ports and mountainous villages. Virtually every stage of the Balkan
heroin business, from refining to end-point distribution, is directed by a
loosely knit hierarchy known as "The 15 Families," who answer to the regional
clans that run every aspect of Albanian life.

The Kosovar Albanian traffickers are so successful, says a senior U.S. State
Department official, "because Albanians are organized in very close-knit
groups, linked by their ethnicity and extended family connections."
The clans, in addition to their drug operations, maintained an armed brigade
that gradually evolved into the KLA. In the early 1990s, as the Kosovar
uprising in Yugoslavia grew, ethnic Albanian rebels there faced increased
financial needs. The 15 Families responded by boosting drug trafficking and
channeling money and weapons to the rebels in their clans. As traffickers
started taking bigger risks, drug seizures by police across Europe skyrocketed
from a kilo or two in the early 1980s to multimillion-dollar hauls, culminating
in the spectacular 1996 arrest at Gradina, Yugoslavia, of two truckers running
a load of more than half a ton of heroin worth $50 million.

German Federal Police now say that Kosovar Albanians import 80 percent of
Europe's heroin. So dominant is the Kosovar presence in trafficking that many
European users refer to illicit drugs in general as "Albanka," or Albanian
lady.

The Kosovar traffickers ship heroin exclusively from Asia's Golden Crescent.
It's an apparently inexhaustible source. At one end of the crescent lies
Afghanistan, which in 1999 surpassed Burma as the world's largest producer of
opium poppies. From there, the heroin base passes through Iran to Turkey, where
it is refined, and then into the hands of the 15 Families, which operate out of
the lawless border towns linking Macedonia, Albania, and Serbia. Not
surprisingly, the KLA has also flourished there. According to the State
Department, four to six tons of heroin move through Turkey every month. "Not
very much is stopped," says one official. "We get just a fraction of the
total."

Initially, the Kosovar traffickers used the direct Balkan route, carrying goods
overland by truck from Turkey and Yugoslavia into Europe. With the Bosnian war,
the direct route was shut down and two splinter routes developed to bypass
Yugoslavia.

The ascent of the Kosovar families to the top of the trafficking hierarchy
coincided with the sudden appearance of the KLA as a f

Re: [CTRL] IM: Klayman: Criminals in the White House? (fwd)

[Nurev Ind Research]

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"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:
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>  -Cui Bono?-
>
> In a message dated 03/26/2000 7:52:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> <<
>  Criminals in the White House?
>  
>  By Larry Klayman of Judicial Watch >>
>
> Will this nasty, screechy little man never go away?  Prudy

Why would you want him to go away? He is out to expose the
corrupt Clinton administration. This is a good thing.

I hope that there will be an equivalent " Larry Klayman " to
go after brain dead Bush Jr. when he becomes president.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] FOXTER...do something about this prosyletizing?

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On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Marlea Linse wrote:

> Where may one find info regarding the canons of Islam??

Isn't that what Gerald Bull was selling to Iraq?
FWP.

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[CTRL] Giuliani Caused Dorismond Funeral Riot/Fwd

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Giuliani Caused Dorismond Funeral Riot
by Robert Lederman

I marched in the Patrick Dorismond Funeral procession from
the funeral home on Flatbush Avenue to the front of the Holy
Cross Church and was at the exact flash point where the
violence initially took place at the barricaded corner of
Flatbush and Church Avenues. Until the procession reached
that intersection it was totally peacefull and non-violent. I left
the area about twenty minutes later immediately after the
casket was brought into the church when it became obvious
that blood was going to flow in the street. What caused the
violence to erupt and who it was designed to benefit, rather
than how many bottles were thrown and how many were
arrested or injured, are the questions that need to be answered.

Media coverage of the march has almost completely focused
on images and descriptions of barricades and bottles being
thrown and of a U.S. flag being burned. I believe the violence
was carefully orchestrated to take place at that exact location in
order to eclipse the intense political nature of the march. The
media had a massive presence at that spot including
photographers and video crews that had been allowed by the
police to set up on rooftops on either side of the street. How
many times before have we seen the media exploit images of
“terrorists” burning a flag to incite public opinion in support of
military intervention? Remember also how many times the
media showed a handful out of tens of thousands of peaceful
protesters breaking windows in Seattle last year to justify a
military style police response.

I’ve been in as well as led a lot of anti-Giuliani marches and
protests but this one was unique in that a group of thousands of
Black New Yorkers were unanimous in their bitter
denunciation of Mayor Giuliani. The single portrait of the
Mayor as Hitler which I carried was just one of hundreds of
Giuliani as Hitler portraits and intensely anti-Giuliani signs in
the march. The chants, many of which were in French, were all
about the Mayor and the urgency of his being removed from
office. If there had been no violence the coverage would have
had to focus entirely on the political message, which would
have been devastating for Giuliani.

There were no barricades set up along the entire length of
Flatbush Avenue on the route between the funeral home and
the church which is atypical of Giuliani/NYPD procedure.
Marchers were allowed by the police to walk in the street and
on the sidewalk without interference. As the column reached
the corner of Flatbush and Church Avenues the situation was
entirely different. The street was completely closed off by rows
of hundreds of heavy steel barricades. Barricades lined the
sidewalks and almost completely blocked off the entrance to
the street. Behind the barricades were hundreds of police

officers. The marchers were stopped at the entrance to the
street and held there for no apparent reason. Vehicular traffic
had been banned hours earlier and there was no traffic of any
kind justifying the holding up of the column. From  my
perspective there was no reason whatsoever to stop and hold
the procession at that point as they were finally in sight of the
church other than to antagonize the marchers.

Two young black males at the front suddenly picked up
barricades and tossed them at the police. As the foremost
obstacle was removed the crowd surged through the opening
pushed along like a stream of water by the built up human
pressure behind them. The same two young men that had
initially tossed the barricades proceeded to systematically move
down the street turning over barricade after barricade with the
police standing right there doing nothing whatsoever to stop
them and not even verbally warning them. As someone who
has been falsely arrested and charged with disorderly conduct
and even inciting a riot simply for holding up a cardboard sign
I know this is not normal NYPD procedure. In my opinion,
these young men were exactly what NYPD Commissioner
Safir called them in an article in this Sunday’s NY Post POST
3/26/2000 SAFIR RAPS RIOTERS AS ‘THUGS' AND
OUTSIDERS “The protesters who clashed with cops after
Patrick Dorismond's funeral were outsiders "ginned up by
demagogues trying to pursue their own agendas," Police
Commissioner Howard Safir charged yesterday.”

What Safir neglected to mention was that these young men
were doing political work for Safir’s boss, the demagogue
Rudy Giuliani. I’ve seen this exact same Giuliani technique at
work a number of times. During the busiest day of the Diallo
protests at the Bronx courthouse last year a black man got into
the middle of the protesters and began urging them to attack
the police, set fires and initiate violence. Not one person in the
crowd responded to him other than to call him a police plant
and order him to leave. He continued his harangue for almost
20 minutes with numerous police officers listening in and
d

[CTRL] Storm warning; Physicist predicts solar damage

[DIG alfred webre]

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Storm warning; Physicist predicts solar damage

Australia's new national power grid and hundreds of satellites orbiting the
Earth may have survived a
recent solar particle explosion - but they might not be so lucky next time.

The warning comes from Adelaide University physicist Dr Roger Clay in the
wake of last month's solar
storm which hit Earth with an interplanetary shock wave of ionized gas and
magnetic fields.

Dr Clay said the solar storm on 18 February - technically known as a coronal
mass ejection (CME) of
high-energy particles - did not cause as much damage as some had feared, but
it was likely to be the first
of many such explosions in the next two to three years.

A CME consists of a group of atoms, known as a plasma, which have had their
electrons stripped away
from the nuclei. These travel towards earth at speeds up to 500km per second.

In sufficient quantities, the wave of particles can disrupt satellites in
their path and even create an electric
current big enough to disturb the Earth's magnetic field, overloading
electric power systems.

Dr Clay said the Sun had just begun its most active phase - known as "solar
maximum" - with the February
CME likely to be the first of many such explosions.

He said the last phase 11 years ago had caused a major disruption to the
Canadian power system. Since
then, many more satellites had been put into orbit around the Earth, many of
which were not "radiation
hardened".

"If the next solar storm is no worse than the one last month, then there's no
problem," he said. "But of
course, since the last solar maximum 11 years ago, we've got a lot more
satellites and we depend a lot
more on satellites. All our communication satellites, our GPS systems and
these sort of satellite systems
have computer chips in them." says Dr Clay.

"The computer chips are susceptible to these particles going through them
because they deposit electrons
in there, and that's enough to change a zero to a one in the computer memory,
which could effectively
disable the satellite."

Dr Clay said the solar discharge also posed a threat to the Earth because it
was equivalent to a huge
electric current passing by us. "That huge external current can disturb the
Earth's magnetic field and induce
very large currents here on Earth." said Dr Clay.

"If you've got a large loop of wire, and you've got a magnetic field going
through it, a change in the
magnetic field induces an electrical current through the wire.

"There is a move to integrate power grids across countries so, as in many
countries, what we have here in
Australia, as we've been joining up grids between the states, are huge loops
of line all connected together.
When the Earth's magnetic field changes quite rapidly, it can induce big
currents in the national grid, and
those currents may overload the system. This is what happened in Canada,"
said Dr Clay.

Dr Clay said CMEs would also cause major dangers for humans in space, who are
without the protection
of Earth's atmosphere.

"The Apollo astronauts have said that when they shut their eyes they saw
'flashes'. Those flashes were due
to these particles going through their eyes," Dr Clay said.

"It's a high-radiation environment, and it can kill. It's like continuous
radiotherapy. We don't have an
effective protection against it, outside of the Earth's protective atmosphere.

"Right now space agencies building a new space station to orbit the Earth.
Roughly one person in one
hundred per year in such an environment would die from this radiation," he
said.

Dr Clay said Adelaide University's Department of Physics and Mathematical
Physics has been operating
two radiation detectors - one for about two years, and another commissioned
earlier this year - to study
solar effects.

The 18 February CME was the first substantial test for the older detector,
which responds to the early
effects of CMEs, with the department now hoping to develop this detector into
an automated solar storm
predictor.

The newer detector recorded the local arrival of the solar debris at the
Earth some four days later.

Media, Marketing & Publications Unit, Adelaide University.


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[CTRL] Rapist-Gore White House fought to keep these photos secret ..

[Bard]

http://judicialwatch.org/otherserver/whpics/whphotos.htm

Place your Pointer over the Image and Click to enlarge it.

Wonder what this sleazy Bum's salary was?

Bard
Title: -- Judicial Watch --



The photos of Livingstone with Mrs. Clinton prove, contrary to her denials, that she knew and worked closely with him. Judicial Watch has testimony from five different sources that he was hired by and worked under Mrs. Clinton. Livingstone, along with Anthony Marceca and William Kennedy, wrongfully obtained and then rifled though the FBI files of plaintiffs in the Filegate lawsuit.

The Clinton-Gore White House fought to keep these photos secret, but the Court ordered them released late last week.


Click on the thumbnail photo to view the full size picture.

[CTRL] How we're losing our culture (and government) (fwd)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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[I'm forwarding this text as I received it; I don't know where it
was originally published or who Mr. Griffin might be.  For this I
also ask your indulgence.   --MS]

+++
Pincers Strategy
By G. Edward Griffin

Through most of history, totalitarians have maintained their
power primarily by force of arms.  People were ruled by whichever
warlord fielded the mightiest army of the most deadly weapons.
But as the concept of representative government spread across
Europe in the 18th century, the world was introduced to the
notion of controlling one's own government.  At last, ruthless
tyranny had been vanquished by the ballot box.

Or so it seemed.  Would-be totalitarians did not vanish, but
merely adapted to the new reality and found other ways to impose
their rule.  Instead of following military careers, they became
con artists, mastering the art of convincing free men to accept
their totalitarian agendas.  How?  By making it appear that
everyone supports that agenda, from public officials to the
masses in the streets.

Two-pronged Attack

That strategy is called "Revolutionary Parliamentarianism" and is
well known in modern totalitarian circles.  William Z. Foster,
national chairman of the American Communist Party from 1933 to
1957, identified this strategy by name in his 1932 book Toward a
Soviet America.  'In carrying out its class struggle program the
Communist party practices revolutionary
parliamentarianism...'Foster stated...A detailed explanation of
this strategy appeared in spring in the 1950s as two chapters in
a textbook used by the Communist Party in Czechoslovakia.

Written by Communist Party "theoretician" Jan Kozak, this
textbook was used in a training program on how to seize power in
countries that have representative government. The strategy
involves a political "pincers" movement-and these are the terms
Kozak uses to describe it-a "pincers" movement applying political
pressure "from above" and "from below." Pressure from above is
created when agents inside the government marked for takeover
bring forward recommendations for new big government/police state
legislation.  This legislation will be promoted as a solution to
some kind of national problem, but that will be a ruse. The
hidden objective will be to expand the power of the bureaucracy
and to move the country closer to the ultimate goal of total
government.  Pressure from below is created when other agents
working in the media and inside grassroots organizations
cooperate to create the appearance of popular demand for the
proposed legislation.  Naturally, the rank-and-file members of
those organizations must be kept focused on the pretended
humanitarian objectives. They must not be allowed to see the
totalitarian objective.

The result is that the majority of the population is caught in
the middle. They look "above" and see government spokesmen
calling for legislation for some new expansion of government
power. They look "below" and with the help of the mass media, see
mobs of demonstrators shouting for the same thing. They say to
themselves, "Has everyone gone crazy?  Or have I?"  They may
still be in the majority by far, but they don't know it.  They
think they are hopelessly outnumbered, and they bow to what they
think is the democratic will of the majority. This process
affects legislators as well.  Since many of them have no higher
goal to than to stay in office, it is easy for them to bend to
the Insider-created pressures.  They willingly pass the
legislation while claiming -and sometimes actually believing-that
they are merely responding to the will of the people. With that,
the process starts over again with recommendations for new
legislation from above, new demands from below, and new
capitulation by the legislature.

Through the strategy of Revolutionary Parliamentarianism, the
nation gradually becomes totalitarian, and the people are
convinced that they asked for it themselves.


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I didn't know he was.  I just knew he's a nasty, screechy little man.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Fw: Mass Killing "Psyop"

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This mass murder in Australia served as an explosive catalyst for gun
confiscation in that country.  The evidence in that case points to the
inescapable conclusion that the mass killing had to have been done by
a highly trained special forces combat shooter, and not the mentally
retarded man who was convicted of the crime.

This event is highly relevant to current conditions in the U.S., where
several strange and inexplicable shootings have lead to official
demands for firearms control.

~~
From:
http://www.overflow.net.au/~nedwood/bryant2.html


[...]

The initial reaction of most readers to the reality that Martin
Bryant killed no- one at Port Arthur but was deliberately set up
as a patsy is a combination of horror and complete disbelief. Are
we to believe that a bunch of planners sat round a table and
arranged the premeditated murders of 35 Australians?
Unfortunately the answer is yes. All of the hard evidence at Port
Arthur bears the distinctive trademark of a planned "psyop",
meaning an operation designed to psychologically manipulate the
belief mechanisms of a group of people or a nation for
geopolitical or military reasons.

Because of their illegal nature, psyops are never formally
ordered by governments, but are discreetly arranged through
multinational corporations and others. Some psyops ordered during
the last forty years are known to have been carried out by
independent contractors hired from a small specialist group,
staffed mostly by retired members of American and Israeli special
forces.

Patsies are normally used as decoys, deliberately inserted into
the psyop to deflect attention away from the specialist group,
allowing the latter time to extract safely from the operational
area while the patsy takes the blame, But the planners leave
tell-tale signs and occasionally make critical mistakes. It is a
little-known fact that Lee Harvey Oswald was proved a patsy when
a New Zealand newspaper printed a story about his guilt several
hours before he was accused of the crime in Dallas. The planners
put the decoy story on the news wires too early, forgetting the
crucial time difference would allow the New Zealand paper to
print the story long before Oswald was even accused. It was a
single planning error, but one that proved in absolute scientific
terms that Lee Harvey Oswald was deliberately set up as a patsy.

[...]

Martin Bryant, an intellectually impaired registered invalid with
no training in the use of high powered assault weapons, could not
under any circumstances have achieved or maintained the
incredibly high and consistent killed-to-injured ratio and
kill-rate which were bench marks of the port Arthur massacre.
Whoever was on the trigger that fateful day demonstrated
professional skills equal to some of the best special forces
shooters in the world, His critical error lay in killing too many
people too quickly while injuring far too few, thereby exposing
himself for what he was: a highly trained combat shooter probably
ranked among the top twenty such specialists in the western
world.

Over the years television viewers have been subjected to such a
barrage of Rambo-style television programs that most now believe
every time Sylvester Stallone points a gun and pulls the trigger,
twenty bad guys immediately fall down dead from lethal shots to
the head or heart. Unfortunately this Hollywood media rubbish is
hopelessly misleading and in no way reflects the difficulties
involved in killing large numbers of people quickly, regardless
of whether those people are armed or not, and regardless of the
ranges involved. For a number of reasons explained later, killing
efficiently at close range in crowded and confined spaces
presents the shooter with far more complex targeting problems
than those associated with conventional open-air combat
scenarios.

[...]

Scientific terms such as killed- to-injured ratio and kill-rate
are enough to bore most readers to death, but in order to fully
comprehend the enormity of the media lies about the massacre, and
expose the planned nature of the operation it is essential
information. The killed-to-injured ratio is used to calculate
reliably how many injured survivors should be expected for every
person killed for a given number of rounds fired. Even assault
rounds as powerful as those fired by the Colt AR15 can only
ensure a one-shot kill if the t

Re: [CTRL] School Shooting Pattern (fwd)

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It was a university police site and it was probably pulled.  I also tried to
download it alst week and the jpg file was blank.







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That`s interesting. I wonder if it was pulled by the service provider? I
saw it several days ago If it`s the same URL?

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[CTRL] Baltimore Orioles' owner Peter G. Angelos

[Bard]

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No More Trips to Camden Yards for Us

“Trial lawyers are using tobacco money won in lawsuits to finance an all-out
bid to defeat presidential candidate Texas Gov. George W. Bush and other
Republicans, the New York Times reports. ... One of the biggest Democratic
contributors has been Baltimore Orioles' owner Peter G. Angelos, who
represented the state of Maryland in tobacco litigation. He has given
$400,000 so far, and vows to do whatever is necessary to defeat Mr. Bush.”

- Greg Pierce’s “Inside Politics,” 3/24/00

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[CTRL] FWD [CIA-DRUGS] STINKY! ---Look for the Trim Flaps

[Kris Millegan]

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I go back to my belief that the Bush family are in the SVP category. They

are not in control. Seems to me that Gore and Bush are working for the same

plan, same group of investors.. They are simply SVP's competing for

positions in a hierarchy that reports up to the same board. Their

competition is not necessarily that relevant in the sense that the way that

the board makes sure that its money and strategic "trim flaps" are safe is

by focusing the hoard on the factions competition at the VP and SVP level.

So we focus on Gore vs Bush, and not on how the whole enterprise works

financially and operationally and where and how we can illuminate it. The

question is who is the board and what is the plan, how do the money and

operations flow and where are the "trim flaps" that we can illuminate in a

powershifting way? (The trim flap is the rudder's "rudder"I have always

said that there are two ways to turn a ship, one is to offer the captain the

right incentives to do it, the other is to just put on a wet suit and swim

down to the trim flap and start applying the requisite action so the trim

flap turns the rudder and the rudder turns the shipthe great thing about

sunshine, is it is a great trim flap turner)


If you look at the shift in Washington in 1996---to a new set of rules---by

which organized crime prevailed in day to day decisions in a way that it

never had before, you need to step back and say what happened? At the end of

1995 we absolutely established our inability as a country to manage our debt

and budget on a fiscally sound basis. Then all of a sudden, it is like

something is in the water, and lawlessness and chaos are the name of the

game and pretty scummy people are suddenly admired and powerful and its like

the world has gone nuts. All internal controls and accountability are simply

gone.


If you step back and look at events from then to now, they say to me that

there is a facist plan to control and run the country, that this plan has

less and less tolerance for pretence, that they are moving forward with

their plan in new ways and their organizing principles is the manipulation

of taxpayers resources in criminal ways and the management of organized

crime. I am assuming that they intend to reach some "control point" and when

they do, plan to "flip the model" back to some kind of rule of law based on

a modified form of global friendly facism, in which genes determine

relationship to resource allocation as opposed to performance.


For that reason, the money---whether government appropriations, contracts,

credit, pension funds, and regulatory benefitsor private investment and

profits flows---should show an absence of factionalism that is not

suprising...Cuomo, Hillary Clinton, Gore, Cohelo, Bushare all part of

the same money flow. Based on what Hillary and the Rose Law firm were doing

with the money through Mena, it is plausible that Hillary Clinton is closer

politically and finanically to the Bushes than to her husband.


I would encourage us to try to map out that flow of money and operations and

look for the trim flaps that we can illuminate and do so without being

vested in "getting" this guy vs that guy but rather simply pulling the plug

where it can be pulled. One of the reasons I am so focused on HUD is because

I believe it is the most vulnerable point in the money system and the ones

most American's will be open to distrusting. Also, because if you are trying

to implement a facist plan, you need a way of controlling and operating in

places all over America without it raising eyebrows. That is why HUD pulling

off a large seizure that could have been used for enforcement purposes tells

me something is up. I just don't know what.


I think we just need to sit back and look at the whole picture and find the

trim flaps and illuminate the ones that have the best chance of bringing

down all the different pieces of Humpty Dumpty. That said, I don't know

anything to do but to keep doing what we are doing. Just keep looking for

those trim flaps

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Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 1:55 AM

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] STINKY! STINKY! STINKY!



From: Brian Downing Quig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


STINKY!   STINKY!   STINKY!

I have long stated that the Bush family fix was in on this presidential

election and that it was fine with Al Gore. The Bush family has plenty of

what Gore wants.  He will make it all look like a contest but he will do

whatever it takes to loose.

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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Pelossi--Pinnacle

[Kris Millegan]

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This is probably a repeated article, but read in connection with the
previous one on Coelho.

Linda


http://www.sightings.com/ufo6/bushcoke.htm
Bank Money Laundry
Wizard For George
Bush Family Arrested
In Chicago
By Sherman H. Skolnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
1-28-2000

The reputed cocaine bank money laundry wizard for former President George
Herbert Walker Bush and two of his sons has been arrested in Chicago. The
matter is tied as well reportedly to corrupt top IRS Officials, Chicago
Region Office fingered by our work.

Giorgio Pelossi, a prominent Swiss accountant, was arrested January 20,
2000, at O'Hare International Airport, after officials of the U.S.
Immigration and Naturalization Service, INS,found he was wanted on an
international arrest warrant issued in Milan, Italy, about a year previous.
Pelossi, 61, was somehow actually traveling under his own name. His name
showed up on a passenger manifest in a routine check provided to officials
of the INS.[Savvy sources, however, dispute that it was so "routine" but was
rather a follow up of matters outlined in our TV documentary, 11/29/99.]

In his appearance before a Federal Magistrate in Chicago, Pelossi agreed not
to oppose being sent back to Italy by extradition. Pelossi signed papers in
Chicago's Federal District Court waiving his right to a hearing in Chicago.


Pelossi is reportedly the cocaine bank money laundry expert for the former
president and two of his sons, Texas Governor George W. Bush and Florida
Governor Jeb Bush. Some claim that the matter also reportedly implicates the
other son, Neil Bush, who escaped federal prison through a reputedly corrupt
arrangement upon the downfall of Denver-based Silverado Savings & Loan
Association, an apparent CIA proprietary operation of which Neil Bush was an
official. Some contend Silverado, at the hands of Neil Bush, was likewise a
money laundry for illicit funds including reportedly narcotics trafficking.
For a year or more now, journalists and commentators in Spain have been
writing and talking about the Elder Bush and two of his sons, George W. and
Jeb, being reportedly implicated in billions of dollars of dope money
laundered through banks in Spain, Italy, Mexico, and the United States. The
cocaine banking cartel, for which Pelossi reportedly was the kingpin and
brains, was centered in Milan and Barcelona. According to stories, some
date-lined Rome, in December, 1995, by Reuters, United Press International,
and other news and law enforcement personnel, Italian authorities contended
they had proof leading them to assert that the Archbishop of Barcelona was
implicated with the Vatican Bank and others in a vast money laundry ring
reportedly involving, among others:

[1] FIRST NATIONAL BANK OF CICERO (a Chicago suburb, Al Capone Land, a
long-known mafia enclave). Later it became the flagship of PINNACLE BANC
GROUP. Still later, to confuse matters, the bank was called Old Kent Bank, a
unit whose head office is Grand Rapids, Michigan. Pinnacle was the successor
and alter ego to the mysterious, scandal-wrecked, BANK OF CREDIT AND
COMMERCE INTERNATIONAL, which supposedly (although not actually) went under
in 1991. BCCI was a reputed assassination and espionage funding apparatus
for various intelligence agencies, including the American CIA, the French
CIA, and Israel's The Mossad (The Institute).

Bishop Paul Marcinkus, head of the VATICAN BANK until 1991, was also the
dominant force controlling First National Bank of Cicero. Marcinkus was
originally from Cicero and ran a church there. Marcinkus fled the Vatican,
sheltering himself with his Vatican passport, when Italian authorities
sought to grill him and possibly prosecute him for various criminal offenses
he reportedly committed as Vatican Bank chief. He returned to the U.S. and
lives in Sun City, Arizona.

[2] Roger D'Onofrio, an American CIA official, with dual citizenship, U.S.
and Italy, living near Naples, Italy. Italian authorities, in the wire
service and other stories of December, 1995, described him as the CIA's
secret paymaster in Italy, to fund political assassinations of those not
liked by the American CIA, and to pay-off or destroy opposition parties in
the Italian government.

The Pelossi-Marcinkus-D'Onofrio ring reportedly, through Vatican Bank and
other financial institutions, trafficked in smuggled gold, osmium nuclear
bomb triggers, high quality counterfeit foreign currencies, and other
illicit goods and services. With the corrupt connivance of top officials of
the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, Chicago Region office, Pelossi reportedly
arranged the laundering of billions of dollars through concealed and dummy
accounts, reportedly in the following banks, among others; and for and on
behalf reportedly of George W. Bush, Jeb Bush, and the Elder Bush, their
father: HARRIS BANK OF CHICAGO, and their Foreign Exchange section, called
ForEx, a unit of BANK OF MONTREAL owned principally by the whiskey-soak

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Coelho, SCI and Pinnacle

[Kris Millegan]

From: "Linda Minor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I just discovered some fascinating connections.  Skolnick's expose of the
Greenspan notes which mention transfers involving an investment bank called
Pinnacle.  One of its directors is Tony Coelho.  Another is Titus Harris,
Jr., who has long-time ties with Underwood Neuhaus--the investment bank
onced owned by George Bush's banker, W.S. Farish III, now deceased.  I have
much more information on Underwood Neuhaus and the Farish family if anyone
requests it.  Coelho is doubly connected to this group through Pinnacle and
through SCI, a company which has been in the news recently because of Bush
(Texas guv) ties to Waldrip.
http://www.tpj.org/Lobby_Watch/funeral.html
Austin — It’s enough to make customers of Houston-based Service Corp.
International (SCI), the world’s largest funeral chain, roll over in their
graves.

In early 1998, Texas Funeral Service Commission (TFSC) began investigating
complaints that SCI was entrusting stiffs to unlicensed embalming companies.
Four months after an April 1998 raid of SCI properties for subpoenaed
documents, a TFSC panel recommended a record $445,000 fine against SCI. The
dispute is in mediation. ...

Bush’s office intervened at least twice on SCI’s behalf. May said SCI CEO
Robert Waltrip visited her agency in April 1998 and demanded that everyone
involved in the SCI raid five days earlier be fired. Waltrip also said he
was on his way to the Governor’s office.



http://www.pinnacleglobalgroup.com/news/PR990224.html

By Sherman H. Skolnick
10-16-98

Pinnacle’s new board of directors includes six former TEI directors and six
designees of the financial services companies. Donald R. Campbell, Tony
Coelho, W. Blair Waltrip, James H. Greer, T.G. Bogle, and T. Craig Benson
joined the Pinnacle board from TEI. The other Pinnacle directors, Peter W.
Badger, Sean Dobson, Robert E. Garrison II, Titus H. Harris, Jr., Stephen M.
Reckling and Richard C. Webb, are all associated with one or more of the
financial services companies.


http://www.pinnacleglobalgroup.com/pages/investor/bios/TITUSHARRIS.htm

Titus H. Harris, Jr. is the Chairman of the Board and a director of Pinnacle
Global Group, Inc..
Mr. Harris co-founded Harris Webb & Garrison, Inc. in February 1994 and now
serves as its Chief Executive Officer and as a director of Harris Webb &
Garrison and Pinnacle Management & Trust Company.

>From September 1991 to February 1994, he served as a Registered
Representative at S.G. Cowen, Harris Webb & Garrison's correspondent broker.
Before then, Mr. Harris served as Senior Vice President of Lovett Underwood
Neuhaus & Webb (a division of Kemper Securities Group, Inc.), from January
1983 to August 1991, and as Regional Sales Manager for the Houston office of
E.F. Hutton and Co., Inc. from January 1978 to December 1982.

Mr. Harris has over 39 years experience in the securities industry.


+++

http://www.sightings.com/political/carefulonclinton.htm
Although pronounced as defunct, BCCI continues through its successor and
alter-ego, Pinnacle Bank Group, headquartered in Chicago, at the First
National Bank of Cicero (a Mafia enclave), and dominated by the former head
of the Vatican Bank, Bishop Paul Marcinkus. BCCI hoped to spread out in the
US by buying laws and lawmakers. BCCI's records. showing 108 members of the
US House of Representatives and 28 US Senators as being receivers through a
London unit of massive bribes, were actually an open record in the Bank of
England for just 30 days.


http://www.sightings.com/politics6/bcci.htm
Pinnacle Banc Group was operated by shadowy types from Atlanta, with Georgia
having been the hangout of BCCI top honchos. Pinnacle changed their name, to
confuse everyone, to Old Kent Bank headquartered in Michigan. Reportedly
still all the same gang of criminal enterprises.


http://www.hoovers.com/co/capsule/8/0,2163,14318,00.html
Old Kent Financial is the holding company for Old Kent Bank, which operates
more than 250 branches in Michigan, Illinois, and Indiana. The bank offers
individuals and businesses traditional deposit services, including checking
and savings accounts, CDs, and IRAs. Lending activities consist mostly of
commercial loans (30% of the bank's portfolio), and also mortgage,
commercial real estate, and consumer loans. Old Kent Mortgage Company has
more than 150 offices throughout the US; it sells mortgages to secondary
markets, retaining servicing. Other nonbank subsidiaries include insurance,
brokerage, and leasing firms. Old Kent is expanding in the Chicago area; it
bought Merchants Bancorp.


http://hoovers.transium.com/hoovers.html?ticker=OK&id=14318&q=&qi=%2bkco%3a%
22Old%20Kent%20Financial%22&page=2&r=1.tbusref.R02409137&stag=%2da

 Wall Street Journal 03/22/99

Old Kent Financial Corp, with 235 banking offices, purchases Pinnacle Banc
Group Inc, with 13 Chicago, IL, branches, for about $235 mil


http://www.takeoverstockreport.com/spast.htm

CFSB Bancorp, Inc. (CFSB

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Spy Hunter - Joke Of The Day

[Robert F. Tatman]

-Caveat Lector-   http://www.ctrl.org/">
 -Cui Bono?-

In 1942, as a newly-minted U.S. Army second lieutenant, my father was sent
to the brand-new Prisoner of War Interrogator School at Camp Ritchie,
Maryland, the Army having finally discovered that he spoke German, French,
and Italian. One of the "country retreats" whose property bordered on the
Army camp belonged to the Spanish ambassador. Dad told me once that whenever
the corps of students was assembled in formation on the parade grounds, you
could actually *see* the ambassador or members of his staff gathered on the
hillside overlooking Camp Ritchie, very carefully scanning the facilities
with high-powered binoculars and cameras with telephoto lenses. It was an
open "secret" that Franco's government worked hand-in-glove with the Gestapo
to provide intelligence to the Axis, and everyone assumed that whatever
information the Spanish managed to generate would be passed on immediately
to Berlin.

Another comment: for years the National Security Agency was so hyper-secret
that the information was available on it from any sort, public or covert.
That veil finally lifted in the early Sixties, after two NSA specialists
defected to the Soviet Union and revealed things about the cyberspooks of
Fort Meade that raised a lot of eyebrows throughout the "Free World."

BTW, thinking of spies and Ireland, you might want to look into the history
of the German attempts to build an espionage network in the Irish Free State
during WW2. It's a bizarre assortment of blunders that puts the lie to the
vaunted German "efficiency." One German agent parachuted into Ireland
carrying his lunch. Another spoke no English. And when the Abwehr
(Counterintelligence) recruited IRA "freedom fighters" as German agents,
they rapidly discovered that the Irish rebels refused to take orders...all
they were interested in was learning how to blow up Brits.

- Original Message -
From: Prudence L. Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 2:27 PM
Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Spy Hunter - Joke Of The Day


>
> This reminds me of the time the new CIA headquarters was being built.  A
real
> estate developer wanted to build apartments near it, but he couldn't find
out
> the exact location or how many people were going to work there.  Every
query
> was answered by his being told all that information was classified.
Finally
> a friend told him to try calling the Russian Embassy and asking them.  The
> clerk who answered the telephone gave him the exact information he was
> looking for.   Prudy
>

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[CTRL] Fwd: Kris can you offer this guy any help??

[Kris Millegan]

Kris can you offer this guy any help??


- Original Message - From:
Sandy
McCutcheon To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 5:09 AM Subject: [Spy News]
Thanks 
Thanks for the huge response to my request for info
on suitcase bombs. Unfortunately I can not phone the United States to
talk with those who offered as I am in a very different time zone and
don't trust my phone at the moment. To clarify for those who did not
understand my request. I am a novelist and journalist writing a fictional
account of the missing Soviet suitcase bombs... I am a published author
with four best-sellers in the international espionage
genre. 
Thanks again... any further info to Sandy McCutcheon
at
[EMAIL PROTECTED].


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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] The Truth Will Out--Maybe

[Kris Millegan]

From: Daniel Hopsicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The biggest revelation in "Barry and 'the boys'" is that
the death of Adler Berriman Seal was part of a coordinated hit
which claimed numerous victims on three continents--simultaneously.

And thus the biggest mystery has been placing 'unifomrs' of one side or
the other on the 'players' involved.

Someone on this list--I'm not at liberty to say who--has offered some
insight into this Valentines' Day Massacre, in response to my question
about the difference 'tween C130's and C131's.

It appears that the conflict began the previous year.

Here's my comment, followed by our friend's (lets call him Deep Moat)
news (BTW...there's a LOT of John Hull stuff surfacing currently,
for
some odd reason, in connection with the  Noriega/Bush wire stories
posted here yesterday.

ME: some pretty interesting stuff here.
its taken years for an (outsider) like myself to
get even a dim picture of the drug war in which
barry seal found himself a casualty.

DEEP MOAT:
Perhaps of interest to you, during the time that Adler Seal
was alive and active, the Convair CV440 was also being flown
by the Bolivian freight airline Carga Arero Transportada, whose
aircraft CP 1489 crashed on initial takeoff climb from the Santa
Rosa, Bolivia airport 20 April 1985, killing the three crewmembers
and one passenger aboard. I don't know what the cargo was
Similarly, about two months earlier a Bolivian military CV440
was damaged during a landing at La Paz airport, though I don't
believe anyone died in that incident.
There were a few other planes that went in that direction in
which I believe Seal had acted as a broker or middleman, probably
receiving a salesman's or finder's fee, thougfh I think that
was as much as a decade earlier. The planes, mostly baled surplus
military C47s, were transferred through the New Orleans area
on their way south, though I don't know their eventual destination
or previous USAF or N-numbers. I could likely come up with a
starting point and at least some other info though.
Interestingly, it was around John Hull's old area of operations

So I asked: "Sounds like that bolivian crash was invovled in this
war. am i correct?"

DEEP MOAT:
You'd need to look at the *Watch Tower* Deaths as well, which
began with Colonel Bayard in Atlanta, around 03 JL 1976 as I
recall, a death very similar to that of Adler Seal on 19 FE
1986.
Prior to Clinton's election, Operation SNOWCAP was in full swing
beginning in 1987 with all kinds of bizarre, internecine results:
honest DEA guys trying to block all drug operations, trafficantes
turning the competition in, and spooks in several different varieties
trying to either build their careers within their own agencies
or feather their nests and collect early retirement *coffee money*.

I don't know the circumstances of the Bolivian Convair difficulties
but would note that their air force and commercial airlines sometimes
shared maintenance personnel.

I could make informed guesses as to what could have been going
on, but that's what they'd be. I think it more than a coincidence
that Seal happened to pick the same type plane though.


As that Roscoe guy would say, "Developing."
--
Daniel Hopsicker
The Drug Money Times
http://www.MadCowProd.com
"All the news that's ripped from print!"

Scandal in contemporary U.S. life is an institutionalized sociological
phenomenon. It is not due primarily to psychopathological variables,
but is due to the institutionalization of elite wrongdoing which has
occcurred since 1963."

"Many of the scandals that have occurred in the U.S. since 1963 are
fundamentally interrelated: that is, the same people and institutions
have been involved."   --Prof.David Simon, "Elite Deviance 6th edition





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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] DID THOSE WHO DIED IN TEXAS KNOW TOO MUCH?

[Kris Millegan]

From: Brian Downing Quig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

You are right.  Thanks.  Three months after Ollie eliminated Seal these five
SOUTHERN AIR TRANSPORT pilots died within hours.

Brian

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Brian:
>
> Seal was gunned down in February, not 3 months before this crash listed
> below...
>
>  Am I missing something, or did you just make a typo on the date - meaning to
> type 8 months rather than 3 months before?
>
> - Tanina
>
> FROM: http://www.dcia.com/ntsb2.html
> Seal was gunned down gangland style 3 months before when the witness
> protection program set up by none other than George Bush himself
> conspicuously failed to provide protection.
> Accident occurred OCT-04-86 at KELLY AFB, TX
> Aircraft: LOCKHEED 382G, registration: N15ST
>
>  Subj:   [CIA-DRUGS] DID THOSE WHO DIED IN TEXAS KNOW TOO MUCH?
>  Date:  03/24/2000 3:30:45 PM Eastern Standard Time
>  From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Downing Quig)
>  Reply-to:  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>   
>  DID THOSE WHO DIED IN TEXAS KNOW TOO MUCH?
>
>  This C-123 of Seal's was an unusually large plan like the C-130.
>
>  There is some reason to believe that these two SOUTHERN AIR planes intended
> to rendezvous somewhere on the way to Nicaragua so that they would cast only
> one shadow on known radar.  Seal and other air traffickers used this maneuver
> often.
>
>  So we are left with this rather convenient elimination of Seal's number two
> and three men and the question of the dead pilots in Texas.  Who were they
> and why did they die?
>
>  Fatal plane crashes are rare.  Very rare.  Any air company that had two
> fatal crashes within hours would arouse great media response --- except if it
> is a CIA air cargo company hauling drugs.   That is the Great Catch 22.  If
> it involves the CIA we are expected to be polite and not notice it.
>
>  What is your call on this Hoppsicker.  Were these men tied in to Seal?
>
>  Brian Quig
>  http://www.dcia.com/ntsb2.html
> ~~
> FROM: http://www.dcia.com/ntsb2.html
> Here is a plane crash very similar in many respects to the Gander,
> Newfoundland ARROW AIR crash.  This took place 11 months after Gander.
> Within hours of this crash SOUTHERN AIR TRANSPORT had a second fatal air
> crash in Nicaragua where Eugene Hausenfus survived but Barry Seal's two top
> men die.  Did the three who died in Texas also know too much about the Mena,
> Arkansas drug operation?  Seal was gunned down gangland style 3 months before
> when the witness protection program set up by none other than George Bush
> himself conspicuously failed to provide protection.
>
> NTSB Identification: DCA87AA002 For details, refer to NTSB microfiche number
> 31513A
> Nonscheduled 14 CFR 121 operation of SOUTHERN AIR TRANSPORT
> Accident occurred OCT-04-86 at KELLY AFB, TX
> Aircraft: LOCKHEED 382G, registration: N15ST
> Injuries: 3 Fatal.
> AFTER THE ACFT LANDED AT KELLY AFB, TX, ON 10/2/86, THERE WAS A CREW CHG BFR
> IT DEPD ON THE NEXT FLT. DRG THE NEXT TAKE- OFF, THE ACFT LIFTED OFF NEAR THE
> MIDPOINT OF RWY 15 (APRX 5775' FM THE APCH END). WHEN IT WAS AT APRX 100' TO
> 200' AGL, WITNESSES SAW IT GO INTO AN EXTREMELY NOSE HI ATTITUDE & CLIMB
> ABOUT ANOTHER 500'. ALSO, THE ACFT ROLLED TO THE LEFT & CONTD ROLLING &
> TURNING LEFT UNTIL IT CRASHED ON THE RAMP IN A NEAR INVERTED ATTITUDE ON A
> HDG OF ABOUT 070 DEG. THERE WAS EVIDENCE THAT AN ELEVATOR CONTROL (CTL) BLOCK
> HAD JAMMED THE 1ST OFFICER'S (FO'S) CTL COLUMN WHEN THE ACFT TOOK OFF. THE FO
> OF THE PREVIOUS FLT HAD INSTALLED IT ON THE CTL COLUMN AFTER THAT FLT. THE FO
> OF THE ACDNT FLT HAD BEEN HIRED 6 DAYS EARLIER & MAY NOT HAVE BEEN FAMILIAR
> WITH THE DEVICE. THE BLOCK WAS DESIGNED TO KEEP THE ELEVATOR IN A FAIRED OR
> SLIGHTLY RAISED (TRAILING EDGE UP) POSITION FOR LOADING OPNS, BUT IT WAS NOT
> AN APPROVED DEVICE. THERE WAS AN UNWRITTEN PRACTICE FOR THE FO TO INSTALL &
> REMOVE THE DEVICE.
>
> Probable Cause
> Procedure inadequate..Company/operator management
> Aircraft preflight..Inadequate..Pilot in command
> Aircraft preflight..Inadequate..Copilot/second pilot
> Flt control syst,elevator control..Jammed
>
> Contributing Factors
>
> Misc eqpt/furnishings..Improper
>
>
>
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Re: [CTRL] MKULTRA - New Developments - An Insider's Perspective

[nessie]

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 -Cui Bono?-

[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>
>The following information (all highly classified) was

>provided by a CIA analyst in late 1999...

This sounds like disinfo aimed at scaring us by exagerating their
capabilities.

Lemme tell you about my dog. He was half grown and half wild when I got
him. First thing I did was use a keyhole to convince him I could see
through walls, read his mind, or both. After that, training him was a
piece of cake.

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Re: [CTRL] Tara the Christian:

[Kris Millegan]

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 -Cui Bono?-

Yo, Andrew, please desist in your religiousity. Beliefs are to each their
own.

Actions begat.
MHO
Om
Kris Millegan
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In a message dated 3/24/00 1:09:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>-Caveat Lector-
>
> -Cui Bono?-
>
>
>
>what do you mean "Only begotten'? There are many Sons of God . Have you
>not
>
>read the Bible?
>
>
>
>
>
>Andrew X98  "The Watchman"
>
>
>
>The "Cover-up Church" was founded on the Sabbath 9-18-99 by Agent, Clive
>
>Doyle
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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] statement by Eric Sterling to Congress March 23, 2000

[Kris Millegan]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

HI all,
Eric Sterling is one of the principle architects of the Comprehensive
Crime Control Act of 1984, and of the Anti-Drug Abuse Acts of 1986, and 88.
Since 1989, when Sterling realized how very badly his laws were being
misused, he completely changed his perspective on the Prohibition that he
himself helped amplify and strengthen. He is one of the most vocal opponents
of this stupidity now going on in the USA, and is a very interesting person
to hear speak.
Below is his testimony from March 23, 2000, before the Subcommittee on
Treasury, Postal Service, and General Government of the Committee on
Appropriations, US House of Representatives. The newest plan from the ONDCP
was released officially yesterday as well.
I saw Edward Jurith hold up this report on Friday, last week, and
listened to him say, that "no longer would our national anti--drug policy be
predicated on half-truths and anecdotal evidence, instead we use facts, and
science." So as he fled for the door immediately after finishing his talk, I
asked him, in light of his, no longer using "anecdotal evidence" comments,
about his boss Gen. McCaffrey's Feb. 22 statements to Customs and DEA
officials to the effect that US kids are taking their hemp t-shirts, boiling
them down, mixing the goo left over with alcohol to create marijuana, to get
high. Gen. McCaffrey also told these Customs and DEA officials, while
McCaffrey was explaining his reasons for the continued hysterical banning of
industrial hemp, that hemp feed is so very high in protein, he is afraid
farmers are giving hemp-feed to cattle, which are then contaminated with THC,
which is then passed onto folks when they eat their THC-tainted burgers. This
guy is in charge of our Prohibition policies guys and gals! Jurith's
response? "Oh, well, sometimes like all of us speak in hyperbole." Tell that
to all the folk who are locked up in US prisons due to his hyperbole driven
scare-tactics, and horror show propaganda-riddled prohibitionist strategies.
Peace,
Preston
Statement of Eric E. Sterling to the
Subcommittee on Treasury, Postal Service and General
Government of the Committee on Appropriations
U.S. House of Representatives
March 23, 2000

 Chairman Kolbe, Mr. Hoyer, members of the Subcommittee, the National Drug
Control Strategy, presented to you today, attempts to sweep monumental
failure under a rug. General McCaffrey insists that 'we are winning' our
fight against drug abuse, but his scoreboard must be broken – deaths are up,
high school kids can get drugs more easily than ever, drug use by junior high
kids has tripled, drug prices are at historic lows, drug purity is as high as
ever, and we are still not treating most of the millions of addicts desperate
for help.

I have been following closely our national anti-drug strategy since 1979 when
I became the counsel to the House Judiciary Committee principally responsible
for anti-drug matters. I set up for the Committee dozens of hearings on every
aspect of our anti-drug effort, and accompanied the House Select Committee on
Narcotics Abuse and Control to Colombia, Peru, Bolivia, Mexico and Jamaica in
1983. I have heard almost every top Federal anti-drug official testify since
Peter Bensinger headed the DEA. In 1986 and 1988, I was a principal aide in
developing the Anti-Drug Abuse Acts of 1986 and 1988 which created the source
country certification requirement, the mandatory minimum sentences, the
Federal crime of money laundering, and the drug czar's office, among hundreds
of provisions. In 1989, I left the committee, and have continued to work
extensively on narcotics control matters as President of The Criminal Justice
Policy Foundation.

Mr. Chairman, sadly, I don't believe that General McCaffrey can be trusted to
give you an accurate appraisal of our drug situation. Gen. McCaffrey is
claiming progress with declines in coca production in Peru and Bolivia, just
as he did when he unveiled the 1999 strategy a year ago. But when he
testified before a House subcommittee on August 6, 1999 he confessed, "In
Peru, the drug control situation is deteriorating . . . Peruvian coca prices
have been rising since March 1998." (Clifford Krauss, "Peru's Drug Successes
Erode as Traffickers Adapt," The New York Times, Aug. 19, 1999).

I suggest, Mr. Chairman, that the indices that Gen. McCaffrey are most proud
of are the least important – the declines in casual use of cocaine and
marijuana by adults. Casual drug users are not the cancer at the core of
America's drug crisis.

What is most important for our anti-drug policy to achieve? Saving lives,
keeping drugs out of the hands of kids, and keeping as many people as healthy
as possible.

What are the facts? Deaths from drugs have more than doubled since 1979, from
7,101 in 1979 to 15,973 in 1997 as reported in the latest strategy. Why
aren't we more effective in saving lives? How can we be winning when more
people die each year than the year before?

Our p

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Socialism and communism put "state property" rights ahead of private propery
rights.
The united States Constitution guarantees private property rights.
Does North Carolina need a governor or an attorney general who supports
socialist/communist undermining of private propery rights?


Dave Hartley
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BREAKING NEWS - www.ashevilletribune.com.
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MOUNTAIN LAND FIGHT LOOMING
Carolina man outbids state for forest land; State then considers
taking it from him by eminent domain at "market value"
By Dana Davis, The Asheville (NC) Tribune (Copyright 2000)

State officials, outbid by a private property owner, are now considering
ways to take his land in Transylvania County at "fair market value" and
claim it as state property so that they may be the arbiters of the 2,200
acre natural habitat, that is virtually surrounded by 8,200 acres of state
forest land, known as Dupont State Forest. Incidentally, the 2,200 acre
tract of land contains, arguably, three of the most beautiful and pristine
waterfalls in the state.

North Carolina Attorney General Mike Easley, running for Governor on the
Democrat ticket, is trying everything in his means to press forward on this,
suggesting that the state "Condemn" property owner Jim Anthony's land by way
of "Eminent Domain."

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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] The Coehlo Case

[Kris Millegan]

From: Daniel Hopsicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Reading this Coehlo story makes me (almost) wish I were a Republican--
at least then I could get published.

We are told that the writer, Bill Hogan, while working at the Center for Public
Integrity,
a Washington-based group that investigates the role of money in politics,
broke the story about a State Department audit of Tony Coelho.

Big fucking deal.

I've got Coelho dead to rights laundering drug money for the same Cartel
that employed Barry Seal.

The article states, "Among other investors with political connections that Coelho
brought into LoanNet were Fred Malek..."

Fred Malek, Dan Quayle's campaign manager?

Funny company for a Democrat?

In "Barry and 'the boys" I report that Fred Malek "worked" with Coelho at the
company that bought a Cartel money laundering vehicle.

This article is more weak-ass Republican tea--like Monica.

Finally, the article reports that Coelho has repeatedly said,
"I've been investigated by the best, and there is nothing there."

Exactly what Ollie North says.

They're reading from the same playbook.

And so--if this is all he can find about Coelho--is the writer of this article.







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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] It takes a village to kill a child....

[Kris Millegan]

From: "Catherine Austin Fitts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

If we were to take out a map of the US and put in a pin into every urban
neighborhood used for illegal drug retail distribution and then put a pin
into every neighborhood with high HUD subsidy activity, we would see almost
a perfect correlation. If we then put a pin into ever neighborhood with high
FHA mortgage financing volume and then one for where FHA mortgage financing
is used for gentrification and/or money laundering, I suspect we would also
find a high correlation. Then if we add a pin into all the places that
produce the highest % of prisoners for the 2MM prison penal coloniesyou
get the picture. For any neighborhood that does not have a pin in it that
signifies it is being harmed by HUD, just put a pin in every neighborhood in
honor of the taxpayers in 63, communities who are paying for it.

Now, the war on drugs was a diversion from understanding what drugs were all
about. But if the "it takes a village to kill a child" crew need a new
diversion away what they are doing in communities, the only place left with
citizens in it that are not being harmed by HUD is cyperspace

It is the next place eligible for a HUD mess. Anyone want to bet on HUD
missions through the UN to help housing in Columbia is next?


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> Subject: Re: [CIA-DRUGS] Cuomo has time for internet hate, but no time
> for mortgage in...
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> This article is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen coming
> from our
> government... how the heck do they think they can spend our tax
> dollars in
> areas they weren't designed to have any authority in?  This is
> absurd, in my
> humble opinion!
>
> BUT -- somehow I would bet it's connected to the 2000 election... 
> ...and Hillary, and Gore, and Cuomo getting a promotion along the
> line
> guess we'll find out soon enough!
>
> - Tanina
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[CTRL] The CIA Show: Spies Infiltrate Art - The Temple Of Beatlism

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 -Cui Bono?-

Re: The Arizona Republic, Sunday March 26, 2000 Section 3 Ideas -
"The CIA Show: Spies Infiltrate Art"
By Laurence Zuckerman, New York times:
"The ending of the 1955 cartoon version of George Orwell's
Animal Farm featured the tyrannical pigs, and only pigs, thanks
to changes ordered by the film's secret producer: the CIA.
http://www.azcentral.com/opinions/

"The CIA"
http://www.cia.gov/cia/employment/posframe.htm

Did/is the CIA writing the WHY WACO? SCRIPT!

Do you have research that the Beatles songs were written
by a mind control agency... if so please send to;
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Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
All My Relations.
Omnia Bona Bonis,
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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Richmond, Post A Couple Chapters

[Kris Millegan]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Daniel: I didn't write about the incident when Barry asked Herb Graves if he
wanted to end up like "Joe." Del Hahn is the one who related that vignette to
me anyway. Hahn swears it's true, and Graves never denied it. But Hahn thinks
Marcello (not Barry) had the old boy snuffed out because he wasn't
cooperative enough to suit the godfather. Graves' knees start knocking when
he's asked about this.

I will post a couple of chapters of the book anyway. At least someone will be
reading it. I've pretty much lost hope of any "big" publisher accepting it.
Haven't heard another peep out of Regnery, and it's been two weeks since I
sent the mss.

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[CTRL] Fwd: [RuMills] JOE JORDAN DEFENDS GUNTHER RUSSBACHER-IN 1996

[Kris Millegan]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=2393">JOE
JORDAN DEFENDS GUNTHER RUSSBACHER-IN 1996
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=2393

JOE JORDAN DEFENDS GUNTHER RUSSBACHER-IN 1996
Posted By: RAYELAN
Date: Sunday, 26 March 2000, at 3:05 a.m.

A few days ago, Joe Jordan denied knowing Gunther Russbacher, but in 1996,
not only did Jordan admit knowing Russbacher, but he took credit for getting
him out of prison!

"Joe Jordan Denies Knowing Gunther Russbacher"

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=2377

Earlier this evening, I posted the above email from a woman named Beverly,
who said,

" Rayelan- Here is a note I wrote to Joe Jordan AND his reply! As you will
note, he doesn't even seem to know who Gunther is!"

Her email contained a response from Joe Jordan, from the National Vietnam
P.O.W. Strike Force in Houston, TX.

"Re:
PoW
: >
: > Less you spelled his name wrong - the mans a wannabe.
: >
: > Also, never saw my pick with this d00d unless he also forges
: > pictures."

Beverly's original email to Joe, clearly spelled Gunther's first and last
name correctly, as you can see:

"Hey Joe- are ya there? I have been in a very interesting discourse with a
lady named Rayelan (former wife of Gunther Russbacher) who is trying to
assure me that you can verify that Gunther was a POW!"

Once you see the letter that is on the webpage whose link I am enclosing, you
will know what I have known since this whole "Phoney SEAL" business began

There is definitely something phoney going on, but it is not Gunther.

I wonder what Beverly will say, once she sees Joe Jordan's letter to the
Spotlight magazine, which not only defends Gunther Russbacher, but states
that Jordan's group was responsible for getting him released from prison... a
fact that I have never disputed... Joe's group was EXTREMELY helpful.

Joe Jordan also states that he flew to St Louis to verify POW/MIA issues with
Russbacher.

The type of attack that was launched on Gunther several days ago is the type
of attack that I had to fend off for nine years. Each time Gunther and I were
attacked like this, it was because our enemies were doing an end run around
us.

We always won the skirmish and proved our case, but we always lost the larger
war. And that was always the purpose of the attack. This attack makes me
wonder what the "end run" is. What is being done that I don't know about?

Joe Jordan Defends Gunther Russbacher
 http://hometown.aol.com/rayelan/myhomepage/personal.html">Joe
Jordan Defends Gunther Russbacher
http://hometown.aol.com/rayelan/myhomepage/personal.html

The webpage takes a long time loading. The full text of Joe's letter is typed
in below the letter. By the time the letter is fully loaded, you will already
have read the letter. Then you can go back and make sure that the text I
typed in, is word for word what Joe wrote to the Spotlight in 1996.

I am sorry that you will have to move the scroll bar from side to side, but I
needed to get the type large enough that you could read it.

After this, who can believe the attacks on Gunther? No one can, unless they
have an agenda. I just wish I knew what the agenda is.


Beverly's Webpage

 http://members.xoom.com/voicesmemory">Voices, The Spirit Of The
American Soldier, Dedicated to Richard M. Cole
http://members.xoom.com/voicesmemory

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[CTRL] Fwd: [RuMills] JOE JORDAN DENIES EVER KNOWING GUNTHER RUSSBACHER

[Kris Millegan]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Rumor Mill Readers,

It looks like the attack on Gunther Russbacher continues --- The question I
ask is -- Why Now?

Why wasn't he attacked by SEALS and POWs back in 1991-1993 when he was making
a newspaper, magazine, television or radio show everyday?

Why is Joe Jordan, who used to send out voluminous faxes on behalf of Gunther
Russbacher, now denying that he has ever known him?

My woman's intuition tells me that this is a government operation. But why?

According to Rodney Stich, Gunther is near death from liver cancer.  How can
he be a threat to anyone? How can anything he wrote years ago, be a threat to
anyone?

If anyone has an answer to this, please let me know. If Gunther was a phoney,
then he has to be the greatest conman in the world.

He conned the Air Force into giving us a VIP room on Offutt Air Force Base,
right next to William Webster and Brent Scowcroft.

He conned the Air Force into loaning him and his three friends four SR 71's
so they could take a joy ride.

He conned McDonnell Douglas into loaning him and another Admiral an F-15
Eagle, so they could joy ride to San Diego and back.

If I hadn't seen these things with my own eyes, I might believe he was lying
about them also.

If I hadn't met Joe Jordan in St Louis...  and if I hadn't taken the picture
of him and Gunther myself --- I might also believe it was a fake.

If anyone wants a copy of it,  to have it analyzed to prove Gunther didn't
make it on a computer, I will send you one.

Rayelan


>From Rumor Mill News Forum

Posted By: RAYELAN
Date: Saturday, 25 March 2000, at 9:57 p.m.

Joe Jordan denies ever knowing Gunther Russbacher.

If it isn't Joe Jordan, then who was the man who came to St Louis in January
of 1994 and who posed with Gunther so I could take their pictures?

 http://hometown.aol.com/rumills/myhomepage/photo.html">The
Russbacher File
http://hometown.aol.com/rumills/myhomepage/photo.html

Here is the link to the photo of Gunther and the man called Joe Jordan. Does
anyone out there know what the real Joe Jordan looks like?

Can anyone tell me whether this man ... in the photo with Gunther ... who
sounded just like the Joe Jordan I had talked to on the telephone for over
two years Can anyone tell me who he really is?

I have just sent the tape of Joe and Gunther talking on the phone out to be
digitized and put up on a website. When I get it up, I will put up the link
so people can hear the conversation Gunther had with the man who was
"pretending" to be Joe Jordan, of the POW Taskforce. The people can do a
voice analysis and find out if it is the REAL Joe Jordan.

Two of my friends had dinner with Joe here in my hometown. I will ask them if
they remember what he looked like.

What kind of operation is going on here?

Who is behind this and why?

Who wants Gunther discredited so much that an old friend will now not even
admit he ever knew him.

If anyone has any ideas, please let me know ---

You have to go all the way to the bottom of this forwarded email to fully
understand it.

The address that Beverly has for Joe is not the one that the rest of us
have.There is also no email trail on his reply. So maybe when he is
confronted with this by people who know that he knows Gunther, he will be
able to deny he ever wrote or sent such an email.

If he does deny that he wrote the following reply to Beverly's email, then
either he is lying or Beverly is lying. Only Beverly will know the truth of
this one.

*

From: Beverly Haire To: Rayelan Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [=IN=TOUCH=] Rayelan (Gunther Russbacher)

> Rayelan- Here is a note I wrote to Joe Jordan AND his reply! As you
: will note, he doesn't even seem to know who Gunther is! I fear that
: you have been duped in even greater proportions than I previously
: thought! I do want you to know, I am NOT checking on YOUit is
: Gunther whom I am checking on and who's veracity I doubt! It is you,
: however whom I am concerned about! You are a woman, therefore a
: sister...I care about my sisters.
: Blessings, Bev
:
:
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:
: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: >
: > Bev...
: >
: > Been here off and on... will be off and on for a while.
: >
: > Re:
PoW
: >
: > Less you spelled his name wrong - the mans a wannabe.
: >
: > Also, never saw my pick with this d00d unless he also forges
: > pictures..
: >
: > Below is a list of all Former PoW's who's last names begin with "R"...
: >
: > Copyinying Col. Larson and Mike McGrath for confirm.
: >
: > Please send me copy's of this d00ds friends posts. In my opinion -
: > the Gal lucked out when he dumped her ... I feel so sorry for these
: > women who are duped by PUKES.
: >
: > Best,
: >
: > Joe
: >
: > Ridgeway, Ronald Lewis E3 USMC 680225 VS/VN
: > Riess, Charles F O3 USAF 721224 LA/VN
: > Ringsdorf, Herbert Benjami O2 USAF 66 VN
: > Risner, Richard F # O4 USMC 680820 VS

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Billy "Bare" Bottoms and Balderdash

[Kris Millegan]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Daniel, I refuse to comment on your files, because I have no personal
knowledge of them (nor do I want any). However, as you frequently do, you
have piqued my curiosity about the late Judge Leander Perez and his
connections, vel non, with the late Adler Berriman Seal.

As a tender lad of 13, me Pappy bought a bowling alley in Plaquemines Parish,
and converted the same into a furniture store. (For the benefit of the rest
of the list, Plaquemines [pronounced plack'-a-min] Parish is the Louisiana
county that contains the mouth of the Mississippi River, and sticks out into
the Gulf of Mexico. It is one of the most oil-rich areas in the world.

For years, Leander Perez, a very crooked state district court judge,
literally controlled politics in Plaquemines Parish. And controlling politics
meant dictating which oil companies could drill where. Perez formed a
coalition with oyster fishermen in the predominantly Serbian parish. The main
representative of the fishermen was Russell Stepelkovich. Russell would place
buoys and traps all over the marsh, to indicate which oyster beds were his.
Local law forbade placement of oil-drilling rigs in marked oyster beds, so
between Russell and Leander, they had the place sewn up.

Leander let it be known that his services were for sale, as did Stepelkovich
(by the way, Stepelkovich's daughter, Pam, was my first true love --- God she
was beautiful). Eventually, through a coalition with Carlos Marcello (who had
a hunting and fishing camp in the Plaquemines Parish marsh), the parish
became a center for drug-smuggling activity.

Enter on the scene, our mutual friend Herb Graves. That marsh is where Barry
Seal allegedly dumped the body of one of his lackies. I'll just call him
"Joe" for grins. Seal is said to have threatened Graves by telling him, "You
don't want end up like Joe, do you?"

Anyhow, the plot is definitely thickening.

Richmond


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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Billy "Bare" Bottoms and Balderdash

[Kris Millegan]

From: Daniel Hopsicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Richmond,
You're absolutely right.
Bottoms is completely ignorable.
What i'm wondering is, who they'll send to take his place?
They've got lots slicker people out there.

One of the things I felt sure I could have proven--given the time and money--
was that Bottoms' release from the Navy coincided with the beginnings
of Seal's Bill Casey involvement in drugs.

In other words, Bottoms was released through CIA intercession to fly with Seal.

As to Barry's Mena invovlement: you'll all be shocked to hear that it began no
later than...1969.I've got three sources for this.

I didn't believe it myself when I heard it first, from a charming
Mob guy from Plaquemine Parish who told me all about ol Leander Perez...
two of whose helicopters Seal moved up to Mena.

As for Seagrams/Bronfman: I believe you're correct, given Seal's big-time
Montreal connections.

I'm glad, though, that i didn't interview Graves for my book.

i'm gonna have enough trouble getting it published as it is, without
drawing down the powers that be at MCA/Universal.

But did you see the part where he says i'm not really me, but some
guy named Hofstetter?

I think he might be confusing me with the former Raiders quartback or
something.

An easy thing to do.

We both have thick files.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Bill Bottoms' new moniker has to be "Bare." He has bared his bottom for sure
> on his website. Has anyone else read that balderdash?
>
> Daniel, our friend Del Hahn was ready to get on the band wagon until he
> talked to Bare. Bare definitely has a way with words. Sort of reminds me of
> another good-ole Loozianna boy: Jimmy Swaggart. Why use one adjective when
> you can use two? Bare accuses Terry Reed and John Cummings of "fabricating
> AND lying." I think he and Swaggart must've attended the same school: Dufroq
> (pronounced "Doof rock") Elementary, where they studied math AND arithmetic.
> But, enough ad hominem stuff.
>
> May I make a few observations? Thanks. Bare claims, essentially, that because
> he was Barry Seal's brother-in-law for a few years, that qualifies him as an
> expert on all aspects of Seal's life. But notice one interesting point he
> makes: "I was a Navy pilot from 1974 to 1980. I got out [of the Navy] not
> long after Barry was released from prison in Nicaragua." How long is "not
> long"? Better yet, how long was Seal in jail in Nicaragua? It's difficult for
> me to believe that he and Camp were in there longer than a couple of weeks,
> although I must admit I don't have any information to confirm that.
>
> Bare does admit (although it isn't written as an admission) that Seal began
> smuggling arms and drugs after he was fired by TWA in 1974. So, here we have
> Seal smuggling armaments, ordnance, and opiates, for at least 6 years, while
> Bare is flying for the Navy. If the information I have is correct, Seal was
> developing his organization during that time frame. In fact --- and Daniel
> correct me if I'm wrong --- Seal was establishing ties to Mena as early as
> 1978 (which roughly corresponds to the time frame of the Bert Lance bailout,
> meetings with Jackson Stephens and BCCI president Hassan Abedi, and some very
> serious drug money laundering operations in Arkansas). Where was Billy? Where
> was Billy? (Everybody chant) Maybe he had been to see his wife, who was the
> joy of his life, but was a young thing and could not leave her mother.
>
> Bare says, matter-of-factly, "Barry Seal was never CIA." Oh, really? I wonder
> why the former U.S. Attorney told you and me that "Seal was CIA," and that
> the "Ark" (on North Street) was a "safe house"? Did Bare bother to discuss
> these things with Mr. Bardwell?
>
> He also gets his dates wrong regarding the sting operation in Miami. And the
> DEA was not after the "Prime Minister" of the Turks and Caicos. Granted,
> Norman Saunders and Stafford Missick (the two main targets) were high-ranking
> government officials in the islands, but neither was the "Prime Minister."
> The DEA dragnet also included Aulden Smith (a cop in Grand Turk), and
> businessman Andre' Fournier. Fournier had helped Hassan Abedi establish a
> BCCI branch in Grand Turk, which Seal frequented to do a little "personal
> banking" from time to time. Seal also housed airplanes there.
>
> Moreover, Bare maintains that Seal was in the federal "witness protection
> program." That is absolutely false. Seal specifically chose not to be in the
> WPP. He was just an informant. If Bare had bothered to look, he might've
> found out a great deal by reading the trial transcripts in "United States v.
> Norman Saunders, et al." (Cr. No. 85-165-Spellman, U.S.D.Ct., S.D.Fla.).
>
> In September 1985, Seal testified at that trial (Seal was there as a witness
> only; not as a defendant), that the DEA had allowed him to make $6 to
> $700,000 from drug smuggling while he acted as an informant. The DEA also
> allowed Seal to pay Emile Camp a

[CTRL] Fwd: RE: [CIA-DRUGS] The Truth Will Out--Maybe

[Kris Millegan]

From: "Mike Ruppert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

OK - This gets bigger and bigger. I have, outside of Bill Tyree and his
attorney Ray Kohlman, perhaps the thickest files (five plus inches) on
Watchtower and the related deaths. There are more than 27 which include
Archbishop Romero El Salvador. They also include five U.S. Army
colonels(four Green Berets) named Baker, Rowe, Bayard, Cutolo and Malvesti.
All perished between 1978 and 1990.

It was literally a war for control of the drug industry. Historically I link
it to George Bush eliminating the Medellin Cartel (destroying both evidence
and competition) and replacing it with the Cali Cartel The problem was that
lesser U.S. intelligence operations, like the Army's ISA had partnered with
Medellin and also had begin their own operations.

Mike Ruppert
www.copvcia.com


-Original Message-
From:   Daniel Hopsicker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Friday, March 24, 2000 4:33 PM
To: CIA
Subject:[CIA-DRUGS] The Truth Will Out--Maybe

From: Daniel Hopsicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The biggest revelation in "Barry and 'the boys'" is that
the death of Adler Berriman Seal was part of a coordinated hit
which claimed numerous victims on three continents--simultaneously.

And thus the biggest mystery has been placing 'unifomrs' of one side or
the other on the 'players' involved.

Someone on this list--I'm not at liberty to say who--has offered some
insight into this Valentines' Day Massacre, in response to my question
about the difference 'tween C130's and C131's.

It appears that the conflict began the previous year.

Here's my comment, followed by our friend's (lets call him Deep Moat)
news (BTW...there's a LOT of John Hull stuff surfacing currently,
for
some odd reason, in connection with the  Noriega/Bush wire stories
posted here yesterday.

ME: some pretty interesting stuff here.
its taken years for an (outsider) like myself to
get even a dim picture of the drug war in which
barry seal found himself a casualty.

DEEP MOAT:
Perhaps of interest to you, during the time that Adler Seal
was alive and active, the Convair CV440 was also being flown
by the Bolivian freight airline Carga Arero Transportada, whose
aircraft CP 1489 crashed on initial takeoff climb from the Santa
Rosa, Bolivia airport 20 April 1985, killing the three crewmembers
and one passenger aboard. I don't know what the cargo was
Similarly, about two months earlier a Bolivian military CV440
was damaged during a landing at La Paz airport, though I don't
believe anyone died in that incident.
There were a few other planes that went in that direction in
which I believe Seal had acted as a broker or middleman, probably
receiving a salesman's or finder's fee, thougfh I think that
was as much as a decade earlier. The planes, mostly baled surplus
military C47s, were transferred through the New Orleans area
on their way south, though I don't know their eventual destination
or previous USAF or N-numbers. I could likely come up with a
starting point and at least some other info though.
Interestingly, it was around John Hull's old area of operations

So I asked: "Sounds like that bolivian crash was invovled in this
war. am i correct?"

DEEP MOAT:
You'd need to look at the *Watch Tower* Deaths as well, which
began with Colonel Bayard in Atlanta, around 03 JL 1976 as I
recall, a death very similar to that of Adler Seal on 19 FE
1986.
Prior to Clinton's election, Operation SNOWCAP was in full swing
beginning in 1987 with all kinds of bizarre, internecine results:
honest DEA guys trying to block all drug operations, trafficantes
turning the competition in, and spooks in several different varieties
trying to either build their careers within their own agencies
or feather their nests and collect early retirement *coffee money*.

I don't know the circumstances of the Bolivian Convair difficulties
but would note that their air force and commercial airlines sometimes
shared maintenance personnel.

I could make informed guesses as to what could have been going
on, but that's what they'd be. I think it more than a coincidence
that Seal happened to pick the same type plane though.


As that Roscoe guy would say, "Developing."
--
Daniel Hopsicker
The Drug Money Times
http://www.MadCowProd.com
"All the news that's ripped from print!"

Scandal in contemporary U.S. life is an institutionalized sociological
phenomenon. It is not due primarily to psychopathological variables,
but is due to the institutionalization of elite wrongdoing which has
occcurred since 1963."

"Many of the scandals that have occurred in the U.S. since 1963 are
fundamentally interrelated: that is, the same people and institutions
have been involved."   --Prof.David Simon, "Elite Deviance 6th edition





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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Billy "Bare" Bottoms and Balderdash

[Kris Millegan]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bill Bottoms' new moniker has to be "Bare." He has bared his bottom for sure
on his website. Has anyone else read that balderdash?

Daniel, our friend Del Hahn was ready to get on the band wagon until he
talked to Bare. Bare definitely has a way with words. Sort of reminds me of
another good-ole Loozianna boy: Jimmy Swaggart. Why use one adjective when
you can use two? Bare accuses Terry Reed and John Cummings of "fabricating
AND lying." I think he and Swaggart must've attended the same school: Dufroq
(pronounced "Doof rock") Elementary, where they studied math AND arithmetic.
But, enough ad hominem stuff.

May I make a few observations? Thanks. Bare claims, essentially, that because
he was Barry Seal's brother-in-law for a few years, that qualifies him as an
expert on all aspects of Seal's life. But notice one interesting point he
makes: "I was a Navy pilot from 1974 to 1980. I got out [of the Navy] not
long after Barry was released from prison in Nicaragua." How long is "not
long"? Better yet, how long was Seal in jail in Nicaragua? It's difficult for
me to believe that he and Camp were in there longer than a couple of weeks,
although I must admit I don't have any information to confirm that.

Bare does admit (although it isn't written as an admission) that Seal began
smuggling arms and drugs after he was fired by TWA in 1974. So, here we have
Seal smuggling armaments, ordnance, and opiates, for at least 6 years, while
Bare is flying for the Navy. If the information I have is correct, Seal was
developing his organization during that time frame. In fact --- and Daniel
correct me if I'm wrong --- Seal was establishing ties to Mena as early as
1978 (which roughly corresponds to the time frame of the Bert Lance bailout,
meetings with Jackson Stephens and BCCI president Hassan Abedi, and some very
serious drug money laundering operations in Arkansas). Where was Billy? Where
was Billy? (Everybody chant) Maybe he had been to see his wife, who was the
joy of his life, but was a young thing and could not leave her mother.

Bare says, matter-of-factly, "Barry Seal was never CIA." Oh, really? I wonder
why the former U.S. Attorney told you and me that "Seal was CIA," and that
the "Ark" (on North Street) was a "safe house"? Did Bare bother to discuss
these things with Mr. Bardwell?

He also gets his dates wrong regarding the sting operation in Miami. And the
DEA was not after the "Prime Minister" of the Turks and Caicos. Granted,
Norman Saunders and Stafford Missick (the two main targets) were high-ranking
government officials in the islands, but neither was the "Prime Minister."
The DEA dragnet also included Aulden Smith (a cop in Grand Turk), and
businessman Andre' Fournier. Fournier had helped Hassan Abedi establish a
BCCI branch in Grand Turk, which Seal frequented to do a little "personal
banking" from time to time. Seal also housed airplanes there.

Moreover, Bare maintains that Seal was in the federal "witness protection
program." That is absolutely false. Seal specifically chose not to be in the
WPP. He was just an informant. If Bare had bothered to look, he might've
found out a great deal by reading the trial transcripts in "United States v.
Norman Saunders, et al." (Cr. No. 85-165-Spellman, U.S.D.Ct., S.D.Fla.).

In September 1985, Seal testified at that trial (Seal was there as a witness
only; not as a defendant), that the DEA had allowed him to make $6 to
$700,000 from drug smuggling while he acted as an informant. The DEA also
allowed Seal to pay Emile Camp and other pilots, like Roger Reeves, out of
the money he got from smuggling drugs. (All of that information is from pages
506-508 of the transcript of Seal's cross examination in U.S. v. Saunders.)

Herb Graves also says that Seal did a lot of flying himself, contrary to
Bare's assertions that, "I did all the flying; Seal only handled the work on
the ground." Graves also told me that Seal had arranged for him to fly to NYC
in 1982, where Graves was transported from a rooftop heliport to somewhere
north of White Plains, in a bird owned by Seagrams. Graves was just a
delivery boy on that trip, giving a locked leather briefcase to "a big guy
with greasy black hair, dark sunglasses, and a dark suit." (Hmm, sounds like
one of the Little Sisters of the Poor.)

I don't believe that even 1% of the endless colloquy between Terry Reed and
Seal, quoted in Reed's book "Compromised," is true, but I do know that Seal
smuggled arms and drugs in his airplanes, and he did use the Mena facility.

Bare has truly bared his ignorance. He should be ignored.

Odom


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[Bard]

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Re: [CTRL] School Shooting Pattern (fwd)

[Jeff Sandlin]

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 -Cui Bono?-

That`s interesting. I wonder if it was pulled by the service provider? I
saw it several days ago If it`s the same URL?

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Re: [CTRL] Im not backing up anymore!

[ThePiedPiper]

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 -Cui Bono?-

more and more of Mark Twain is going on the Net
Now that people are having to ask questions of that
era and not just thinking that "managed people"
is the only game in town.
try http://google.com or any other flavor of search engine

Mark Twain
http://www.oldwestlibrary.com/CWL/cwquotes.htm
...O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth
to
  battle-- be Thou near them! With them-- in spirit-- we also go
forth from
  the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O
Lord our
  God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our
shells; help us
  to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their
patriot dead; help
  us to drown the thunder of their guns with the shrieks of
their wounded,
  writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with
a hurricane
  of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending
widows with
  unavailing grief... for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast
their hopes,
  blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make
heavy their steps,
  water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with
the blood of
  their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him
Who is the
  Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend
of all that
  are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite
hearts. Amen."

 from The War Prayer by Mark Twain


> Amelia wrote:
>
> Piper,
> Do you have a good source for Twain on line?  Do you have A/The
> Warrior's Prayer? If so, would you please post it or tell me where I
> can find it. It is fairly short but speaks volumes and may be my
> favorite piece of writing by this wonderful writer.  It addresses
> using humor the very issue of the immorality of war that we are
> posting and reading about now.
> Amelia
>

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Re: [CTRL] Is CTRL control or Controlled

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Kris, thanks for doing this list. I personally, and hopefully others can
be respectful to people we don`t agree with (or flat think are wacko)
out of respect for you and the others on this list. I lost my temper
once and I am sorry for it. I`m very tired of all this personal
fighting. Naming names is pointless but provoking people who strongly
believe their point of view is also pointless. Getting a long probably
isn`t the point, but being "right" shouldn`t be either.

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[CTRL] Humor in the News: Meanwhile at a Recent "Gore For President Press Conference":

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From: Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Friends & Associates:
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 8:22 Am Est.
Subject: Humor in the News: Meanwhile at a Recent "Gore For
   President Press Conference.."

At an outdoor press conference, Al Gore was addressing harsh
criticism of being "lifeless as a statue."

"That is absurd," Gore stoically stated.  "When elected, the
people of America will see just how passionate and alive I
truly am."

Embarrassed for her husband, Tipper, leaned in to whisper,
"Honey, you have a pigeon on your head."

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Re: [CTRL] FOXTER...do something about this prosyletizing?

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<DIV><FONT size=2>To: FOXTER:</FONT></DIV>

<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>The Information which you gave is accurate and correct. 

Perhaps we can take</FONT><FONT size=2>&nbsp;that </FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>in</FONT><FONT size=2> consideration when we review the 

following News Story I just picked off CNN:</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT 

size=2>__________________________________________________________________</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>"&nbsp;ARREST OF AL-AMIN RAISES CLAIMS OF STEREOTYPING OF 

MUSLIMS:"</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT 

size=2>__________________________________________________________________<BR><BR>" 

When the former black militant Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin was arrested in 

rural<BR>Alabama, some Muslims say it only perpetuated an ugly stereotype that 

Muslims<BR>are violent radicals.&nbsp;&nbsp; The former Black Panther, who 

changed his name from H.<BR>Rap Brown upon converting to Islam, is accused of 

shooting two sheriff's<BR>deputies -- one fatally -- in Atlanta. He was caught 

last week in Lowndes<BR>County, the same backwoods region of Alabama where he 

helped lead a voting<BR>rights push in the 1960s."<BR><BR>.... <A 

href="http://CNN.com/2000/US/03/26/rap.brown.muslims.ap/index.html">http://CNN.com/2000/US/03/26/rap.brown.muslims.ap/index.html</A></FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>Although I have only "details" from News and "Intelligance 

Sources" on this incident;</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>I remember this</FONT><FONT 

size=2>&nbsp;"individual"</FONT><FONT size=2> from the "Black Panther Trials" in 

New Haven, CT. Whom </FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>by the way was </FONT><FONT size=2>represented by 

Counsel</FONT><FONT size=2> no other than "Hillary Rodham [Clinton]". She 

</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>was heavy into </FONT><FONT size=2>the Far Leftist/Socialist 

Radical </FONT><FONT size=2>Movement then. Apparently, Both of Them 

</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>have Not</FONT><FONT size=2> Changed Since Then!&nbsp;I know 

this from by the Fact that I was there, </FONT><FONT size=2>sitting in the 

</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>court </FONT><FONT size=2>room during th

[CTRL] Reply:[CTRL] Will someone do something about this prosyletizing? Or don't complain if I argue with the guy.

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<DIV><FONT size=2>Dear Tara &amp; Company:</FONT></DIV>

<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>I also agree with this statement. Perhaps it is wise not to 

Respond</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>in any manner to one individual, IF it He feels It is His 

Obligation to</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>Pursue Anyone in this Manner. It is most unfortunite he so 

desires</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>to Pontificate on the Waco Case, Elevating "Koresh" to status 

of a</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>martyr - quoting the Koran - inappropriately. Remember this 

line:</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT 

size=2>******************************************************************************</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>"We Are Not Amused By Pontification&nbsp;With Intellectual 

Flatulence".</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT 

size=2>******************************************************************************</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>And I leave Certain Individuals with this one:</FONT></DIV>

<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>"A Bombing A Day - Keeps Ossma Bin Laden Away"&nbsp; 

</FONT><FONT size=2>_____________________________________________</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>~ *** De Oppresso Liber ***&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ~<FONT 

size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV>

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Russian Follies


Russia in Catastrophe


Putin Elected Beggar King

With slightly more than 50 percent of the vote, it appears that Russia’s
interim leader, Vladimir Putin, has captured the presidency outright. Western
leaders appear befuddled over just who this man is, what he wants and what he
is likely to do. Indeed, the curious notion that Putin is pro-Western has
taken hold in some sectors. This is whistling past the graveyard. With the
election now behind him, Russia’s president is likely to grab hold of the
economy by taking control of Russia’s oligarchs. And he is equally likely to
challenge the United States on its plans for a national missile defense. Such
a Russian challenge will threaten to split America from its allies in Europe.

Analysis

With the apparent outright election of Vladimir Putin to the presidency,
Russia is entering a new stage. In this stage, understanding this leader’s
intentions and the forces that constrain them will be critical. To date,
American leaders and the mainstream press have expressed two views. The
former KGB officer is a younger, more vigorous Boris Yeltsin, ultimately
committed to economic and political reforms or – as expressed in The New York
Times recently – Putin is a non-entity, a product of the bureaucracy, with no
idea of where he is going nor what he will do.

Both views are equivalent to whistling past the graveyard. The second
misreads Russian history. The first simply refuses to face the fact that
economic reforms have failed, not because of bad luck but because the
country’s institutions and culture could not support a free market. A free
market is possible only where there are property rights – possible only when
a legal system can enforce claims. Russia has been unable to implement such a
system. The idea that Putin will remain committed to reforms requires
resolute obtuseness.

As president, Putin will grapple with two central problems. The first will be
taking control of the economy and directing what capital there is into
meaningful economic activity; this, in turn, will require the means of the
state, enlisted to co-opt opponents, if possible, and frighten them if
necessary. The second will be protecting Russian national security from the
overwhelming power and influence of the United States. To do this Putin will
most likely challenge Washington on the volatile issue of a National Missile
Defense (NMD). Such a defense would put Russia into a strategically inferior
position. To avoid it, Putin will attempt to seize upon the strategic danger
of the moment, and split Washington from its European allies.

The central problem facing Russia is the need to transform vast pools of
money into investment capital. Because Russia lacked a functional legal
system, both the internal privatization system and the foreign investment
process extracted money from the economy and placed it under the control of a
class of individuals with the political power to protect their claim. Much of
the money was directed out of Russia; much of the rest was used to purchase
and maintain a system of political protection. Investments in media, real
estate and luxury goods were central.

As a result, serious capital investments have been marginal at best. Anything
that requires years to turn a profit has been avoided. Investment outside of
the major cities is nearly non-existent. Political control and influence at
the village level makes investment there too expensive and uncertain. As a
result, Russia is experiencing a massive depression. Life expectancy has
declined and much of the countryside has been reduced to barter. In the
cities, Western currencies dominate. Russia is not facing catastrophe; it is
in catastrophe.

In a country where the market doesn’t operate to turn money into investment
capital, the logical alternative is now the state. In the Russian case, the
hypertrophied state apparatus has become decrepit – but it remains in place.
And it is more likely to function than the legal system. Admittedly, state
allocation of capital is a terrible idea. But the only thing worse than that
is the complete non-allocation of capital, which is what Russia faces now.

However, getting the state to allocate capital poses a problem of
enforcement. Who will enforce the edicts of various ministries in the
government that will take shape? The traditional solution is to use the state
security apparatus. The apparatus has no experience in enforcing legislated
property rights, but it does have a culture attuned to enforcing state
bureaucratic edicts.  More important, it is the only force in Russia that
could seriously threaten the oligarchs. It is therefore no accident that
Putin, former head of the FSB (successor to the KGB), has surrounded himself
with former KGB operatives. He is reaching into the one workin

[CTRL] [A-M] LAPD

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Date: Friday, March 24, 2000 9:30 AM

AUDREY'S MISSILES
A weekly newsletter dedicated to the peaceful
reform of the United States government.
.SCANDAL  SATURATION

The Los Angeles Times reports that Los Angeles County Supervisor Zev
Yaroslavsky branded the Rampart police scandal an "assault on democracy", as
local officials intensified their calls for an independent investigation into
the Los Angeles Police Department's deepening corruption crisis.  The story
of the scandal began to take shape when Rafael Perez was arrested in August
1998 for stealing eight pounds of cocaine from an evidence room.  News of it
broke when Perez pleaded guilty to four counts of grand theft of cocaine and
four counts of possession of cocaine for sale, which could mean five years in
 prison.  Hoping for a lighter sentence, he began telling investigators about
alleged misconduct among fellow officers, saying that they beat, framed,
stole from and shot innocent people in the city' s crime-ridden Rampart area,
near downtown.  Recently sentenced under a plea bargain that grants him
immunity for other crimes he has admitted to investigators,  Perez was
sentenced to five years and given credit for the time he has already spent in
custody.

As a result of the revelations,  Javier Francisco Ovando was released
from a prison where he had been serving a 23-year sentence.  Perez now says
he and a former partner handcuffed Ovando in 1996, shot him, planted a gun on
him and then lied about the confrontation in court.  Ovando was paralyzed in
the shooting.  Nine  men whose convictions were overturned have so far been
released from prison.  As of late February,  20 officers had been relieved of
duty and 40 tainted convictions have been overturned as the result of the
Perez confessions.  At least a hundred more cases are under review.  There
are even reports that  Police officers at the city's scandal-plagued Rampart
station had the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service deport illegal
Mexican immigrants who said they witnessed police abuse. The FBI and U.S.
attorney's office have recently joined the Los Angeles Police Department in
the investigation.

.  The Los Angeles Times says, "Although the city attorney publicly says
that the city's liability in cases arising from the Rampart scandal should be
no more than $125 million in settlement costs, it is far more likely that the
city could face a payoff of well more than $1 billion," a cost which could
well bankrupt the city.  The council's Budget and Finance Committee urged
rejection of the mayor's proposal to sell $300 million due the city over 25
years as its share of the national tobacco lawsuit case, for about $100
million now.  They want to wait to decide what to do.  A number of lawsuits
have already been filed.

 Cleaning up the Los Angeles police Department has tried before, and more
than once.  There have been Commissions reporting with recommendations for
change, but nothing happens.  While the beating of Rodney King sparked riots
in Watts a few years ago, this time no one seems outraged.  It is probably
because so many people already know about police corruption in Los Angeles
and police corruption in most of our big cities.  There have been so many
scandals in police departments, in the judicial system in general, and most
of all in Washington D.C.,  the public is no longer surprised or outraged.
We are scandal saturated.


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[CTRL] Sherman Skolnick's Report - JUDGE OK's VIOLENCE AGAINST TV SHOW

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from:
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JUDGE OK's VIOLENCE AGAINST TV SHOW

by Sherman H. Skolnick

>From time to time one hears of violence on TV shows. And some believe that
promotes a climate of violence in the U.S. In Chicago, however, a Judge has
given her stamp of government approval to violence directed AGAINST A TV
SHOW. The details:

 Chicago has one of the largest public access Cable TV systems in the nation.
Cablecast there are a variety of programs, on educational and community
issues, local events, and a few on political commentary. Some shows counter
the propaganda of the monopoly press.

The producers of such shows, who are not paid, are local residents who have
to go to a special school to learn how to properly use the TV studio
equipment. Their programs, depending on the popularity, are cablecast within
the Windy City to upwards of 400,000. Some are also later used in the
suburban public access systems. "On the air" since 1991, has been our weekly
one-hour taped program called "Broadsides", one of the favorites on public
access. The logo is a sketch of an old warship, the opening music being Peter
Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture" with cannons shooting.

I have been a regular panelist from the beginning and since 1995, the
moderator/producer of the Shows. Although our shows are taped for later
showing, nothing is ever censored. We have had as guests, political
candidates, some for high office. Every such election show I always ask: "If
you are elected, what will YOU do about what some contend is the American CIA
flooding dope into the U.S. through Chicago?" The usual cop-out answer, "I
don't know anything about the CIA."

   Also always ask, "Some contend the ultra-rich, such as the Rockefellers,
the Mellons, the Morgans, and the Marshall Fields, pay little if any taxes,
because they corruptly influence tax collectors. Thus not supporting the
infrastructure of America. So, hospitals, libraries, schools,, and roads are
often out of funds and bankrupt. If elected, what will YOU do to tax such
sacred cows?" I have never, on-camera, received a straight answer.

 I have in the past often wondered why such candidates come on my Show at
all. After a program, a campaign chief for such a candidate told me,
"Skolnick, you have a big audience. If my client can survive your big mouth,
they can survive anything the other side can throw at them."   We have aired
with a lot of details, topics such as:

 ===Key federal judges who own and operate banks jointly with
lawyer-cronies, sometimes in combination with criminal enterprises. When that
bank is a litigant in their Court, the judges do NOT step down. Guess who
wins in their crooked court? "Chicken" lawyers are silent.

 ===key commercial TV reporters and managers who are assets of America's
secret political police, the CIA and the FBI. And are beholden to the
American Gestapo, the IRS. All of them promoting the BIG LIE on THEIR TV
Shows.

===important, smelly financial cases in court, forbidden to be discussed by
the pressfakers.

===political murders falsely described in the press as done by "lone
assassins".

===how major newspapers and their circulation departments are tied to
criminals. Such as, the Chicago Tribune, going all the way back to 1910 and
thereafter.   Visit our website:

 http://www.skolnicksreport.com

Corrupt high-level state and federal government officials are often targets
of our past shows or to be on upcoming shows. We have asserted how James E.
Ryan, Illinois Attorney General is tied to the Mob. He once lived right near
my TV associate, Joseph Andreuccetti who ran into Ryan in a local park. Ryan
said, "We are going to GET you and Skolnick for what you are doing".

Years ago, as the head of a court reform group, our work led to the jailing
for bribery of the former Director of the Illinois Department of Revenue. In
recent years, we have fingered the more current chief state tax extractor. He
and top Chicago IRS officials are reportedly silent partners in a west
suburban shopping mall, Cermak Plaza Shopping Center, jointly with reputed
criminal money laundry types. According to mandatory federal judicial
financial disclosure records, the shopping center is owned by Chicago U.S.
District Judge George M. Marovich [(312)435-5590], who also owns and operates
a bank.

Tied into this is the one now Illinois Treasurer, Judy Baar Topinka, who was
once on our show. We showed in undisputed matters in court, that this gang,
although supposedly Republicans, are surrogates for First Lady Hillary Rodham
Clinton, supposedly a Democrat, and Hillary put us on her "enemies list" to
inflict dirty tricks on us.

By putting us under intense surveillance, they found out:

===We kept some secret documents about high-level corruptio

Re: [CTRL] IM: Klayman: Criminals in the White House? (fwd)

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At 08:23 AM 3/27/00 -0500, "Prudence L. Kuhn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote:

>
><<
> Criminals in the White House?
> 
> By Larry Klayman of Judicial Watch >>
>
>Will this nasty, screechy little man never go away?  Prudy
>

You just hate Klayman because he's Jewish.

You anti-Semites disgust me.

DBC

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[CTRL] Fwd: [Spy News] Motorola's pledge of allegiance -- to China?

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

In a message dated 03/27/2000 6:21:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

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 Motorola's pledge of allegiance -- to China?
 Corporate giant proud of strategic alliance with Beijing

 By Terence P. Jeffrey

 C 2000, Human Events
  WorldNetDaily

 When consumer advocate Ralph Nader a few years ago
 asked the managers of Motorola if they would please
 say the Pledge of Allegiance at their annual
 shareholders meetings, the company responded with
 indignation.

 "Motorola will not be adopting Mr. Nader's
 suggestion," said senior corporate counsel Carol
 Forsyte. "We believe that by doing so we would be
 introducing political and nationalistic overtones
 which have nothing to do [with] the true purpose of
 a stockholders meeting."

 This begged an obvious question: If Motorola will
 not pledge allegiance to the American republic --
 "one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
 justice for all" -- to what will it pledge allegiance?

 One answer to that question can be found today on
 a website the company has posted in the People's
 Republic of China, which is linked to its U.S. website.
 A page on this Chinese site -- subtitled "China and
 Motorola reach for the sky" -- lists the company's
 achievements in the PRC under the following categories:


 "Investments and technology
 transfer"

 "Management localization and
 training"

 "Local sourcing"

 "Joint development: joint ventures
 and cooperative projects"

 "Cooperative projects:
 joint technology development"

 "Corporate citizenship"

 This is the sort of language one would expect from
 a nationalist corporation -- looking out for the
 interests of China. Just as General Motors could boast
 half a century ago, "What's good for General Motors is
 good for America," Motorola seems to be boasting today,
 "What's good for Motorola is good for China."
 On this Chinese website, the company brags that its
 policy of providing Chinese "suppliers with designs
 and new technology" helped those firms "export U.S.
 $480 million worth of products in 1999" and is "an
 initiative that dovetails with the China government's
 own strategy for upgrading state-owned enterprises."

 "Motorola has enjoyed solid support from the Chinese
 government at all levels" it says. "Motorola has
 received accolades and awards from the Chinese
 government for its responsible corporate citizenship,"
 it adds. And no wonder. The company boasts that, in
 China, it has:


 "committed more than U.S. $1.5 billion"

 "reinvest[ed] all profits ...
 back into the country"

 "committed to localizing the staff of its
 operations"

 "spent U.S. $1.02 billion ... last year on
 locally sourced materials, components and
 services"

 "accomplished this by forming partnerships
 with Chinese suppliers and helping them ...
 with designs and new technology"

 "established 6 joint ventures and
 10 cooperative projects with some of
 China's best enterprises and research
 facilities"

 "erected [an 18-story building] in Beijing's
 business hub"

 "set up 18 research and development centers
 in China with 650 researchers"

 "established three micro-processor/ micro-controller
 laboratories at universities in China, and will expand
 this program to 20 additional universities over the next
 five years."

 Topping the list of "Motorola Cooperative Projects in
 China" is the National Research Center for Intelligent
 Computing Systems in Beijing, which is dedicated to
 "[r]esearch and development of advanced computer
 technologies."
 What we have here is a strategic alliance.

 The managers of China's Communist regime and the managers
 of Motorola's for-profit corporation have formed a bond
 based on a broadening web of common financial interests.
 Their entente is further entrenched with each new economic
 fact on the ground: new factories, new products, new
 markets. They are co-combatants on the fields of global
 commerce where the destiny of nations is now decided.

 It is fair to ask, then, just what is the nature of this
 Motorola ally?

 On the military front, we know it has threatened to use
 force against Taiwan if it declares independence, and
 that it has intimated it would fire nuclear missiles at
 Los Angeles to punish the United States for interfering
 in such a conflict. But what about the domestic Chinese
 society, where Motorola is now embedded?

 The 1999 State Department "Country Report on Human
 Rights Practices in China," released February 25, answers
 some
 basic questions:


 Is there freedom of religion?
 "Police closed many 'underground' mosques, temples,
 seminaries, Catholic churches and Protestant 'house
 churches,' many with significant memberships,
 properties, financial resources, and networks.
 Some were destroyed. Leaders of unauthorized groups are
 often targets of harassment, interrogations, detention
 and physical abuse. ... [M]ost influential positions in
 gove

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: [surfingtheapocalypse] VIRGIN MARY "APPEARS" NEAR ELIAN GONZ...

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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In a message dated 03/27/2000 8:53:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<  Louise Molina, 47, of Fontainebleau described
  the vision this way: ''I can see that she has a
  golden glow above her head, and she is looking
  down. To me that means sadness.''

  Molina said there is an obvious desire by many
  to regard the apparition as a symbol of hope for
  Elian. But she believed it has broader meaning.

  ''She wants us to change our ways,'' Molina
  said. ''When people have faith they do good
  things.''

  Not everyone was able to distinguish the Virgin
  from the cloudy reflection. >>

If this is to be interpreted that the Virgin wants Elian to stay in Miami,
She must have forgiven the Cuban exiles who live there for the strange
behavior of the super rich who made their way to US shores when Castro took
over from Battista. The Havana of those days was most notable for the
opportunity to indulge in whatever sex practices tripped your trigger or the
viewing of the unusual behavior of various individuals with various other
individuals or animals for very low prices and of course for the gambling
establishments that were there--all of these "businesses" channeled big
profits into the pockets of these same super rich.  Obviously the Virgin
didn't mind all that as long as the leader of the country wasn't a Communist.
 Do I have that right?  Prudy

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[CTRL] [Fwd: [surfingtheapocalypse] VIRGIN MARY "APPEARS" NEAR ELIAN GONZALEZ]

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Mary 'appears' near Elian
http://www.herald.com/content/sun/docs/025573.htm

BY SANDRA MARQUEZ GARCIA
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 A cloud-like image believed by some to be an
 apparition of the Virgin Mary graced the window
 pane of a Miami bank located just blocks from
 the home of Elian Gonzalez Saturday --
 stopping traffic and offering hope to hundreds of
 supporters who want to keep the Cuban boy
 here.

 Bank employees first spotted the luminous
 reflection -- capped by an iridescent mixture of
 gold, purple and green -- earlier this week. As
 word of the vision spread, and the colors failed
 to fade with repeated cleanings, the entrance of
 Totalbank, 468 NW 27th Ave., has come to
 resemble a shrine.

 On Saturday, women with curlers still in their
 hair hastily dropped their chores to pay
 homage to the Virgin. They were joined by
 families in sport-utility vehicles with
 camcorders and others on their way home from
 weddings and grocery stores.

 Some people rubbed their babies against the
 window pane for good luck. Others scrubbed
 the surface with paper towels to see if they
 could make the image go away.

 Tessy Lopez, 62, of Miami Beach beamed with
 joy as she regarded the apparition. Like many
 others gathered at the site, Lopez said she
 considered it to be a sign of an impending
 miracle for Elian, the 6-year-old Cuban rafter
 who survived a voyage that killed his mother
 and 10 others.

 ''I think that boy is blessed. Many people gave
 their lives for that boy, and he lives blocks from
 here,'' Lopez said. ''We must realize this is an
 important sign.''

 Louise Molina, 47, of Fontainebleau described
 the vision this way: ''I can see that she has a
 golden glow above her head, and she is looking
 down. To me that means sadness.''

 Molina said there is an obvious desire by many
 to regard the apparition as a symbol of hope for
 Elian. But she believed it has broader meaning.

 ''She wants us to change our ways,'' Molina
 said. ''When people have faith they do good
 things.''

 Not everyone was able to distinguish the Virgin
 from the cloudy reflection.

 ''I see the reflections, but I don't see it,'' said
 Carmen Rodriguez, 50, with a tinge of
 disappointment. ''I think some people can see it
 and others not. Perhaps it's based on
 necessity.''

 Eulalia Asencio, 29, expressed skepticism.
 She said she had carefully touched the window
 pane to see if air conditioning might have
 caused the image to appear.

 ''It looks like when you get Windex and then you have that rainbow
action going on,'' Asencio said. ''I really think it is the
reflection of the light.''

A few blocks away, Armando Gutierrez, the spokesman for Elian's Miami
relatives, said he had driven past the bank building but had not
stopped to see for himself.

 ''All signs are good signs,'' said Gutierrez, who described Elian's
great-uncle, Lazaro Gonzalez, and his family as ''very religious.''

 One day after the Immigration and Naturalization Service issued a
new ultimatum to the family to agree to a speedy appeal of the
custody dispute over the boy,Gutierrez said Elian's defense team
still had not met to discuss their response. The family plans to
appeal a federal judge's decision last week upholding the INS
decision to send the boy back to his father in Cuba.

 Lead attorney Spencer Eig is Jewish and working on a Saturday would
violate his religious beliefs, Gutierrez said.

''We cannot discuss the letter until sundown [Saturday],'' Gutierrez
said.

Some 50 Elian supporters camped outside the boy's home said they were
on a
state of ''high alert'' awaiting word from exile leaders on when to
mobilize a civil disobedience campaign in Miami.

 Among the actions already under way: a petition drive and lots of
praying, said Felisa Torre, who packed sandwiches and a beach chair
to make her vigil outside the home more comfortable.

 ''We are praying so that the heart of Señorita [Janet] Reno will
become sweeter and she will see that Elian is a poor boy who cannot
go back to Cuba,'' Torre said, referring to the U.S. attorney general.

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[CTRL] Fwd: [Spy News] FBI Computer Expert Accused of Hacking

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In a message dated 03/26/2000 11:18:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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<< > FBI EXPERT ACCUSED OF HACKING
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 gate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/03/24/MN57003.DTL

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 FBI Computer Expert Accused of Hacking
  htt
 p://
 www.
 sfga
 te.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/03/24/MN57003.DTL
 Henry K. Lee, Chronicle Staff Writer
 Friday, March 24, 2000
 C2000 San Francisco Chronicle
 Page A19

 Max Ray Butler seemed to be at the top of his game.
 For two years, the computer expert was a confidential
 source for an elite FBI computer crime squad, helping
 to ferret out scofflaws on the Internet.

 Butler, also known as Max Vision, was also a
 self-described ``ethical hacker'' from the Silicon
 Valley who boasted that he could test the security
 of any computer system by penetrating it.

 But Butler's cyber activity went too far, federal
 authorities say.

 Butler, 27, of Berkeley appeared in federal
 court in San Jose yesterday on a 15-count federal
 indictment charging him with hacking into computers
 used by the University of California at Berkeley,
 national laboratories, federal departments, air
 force bases across the country and a NASA flight
 center.

 Butler posted $50,000 cash bail yesterday after
 U.S. Magistrate Judge Patricia Turnbull ordered
 him not to use computers except for work. Butler
 and his attorney, Jennifer Granick of San Francisco,
 could not be reached for comment.

 The indictment, handed down March 15, said Butler
 caused ``reckless damage'' as a result of intrusions
 in May 1998. Butler was also charged with possession,
 with intent to defraud, of 477 passwords belonging
 to customers of a Santa Clara- based Internet service
 provider.

 The case underscores the potential risks involved
 when law-enforcement agencies use confidential
 informants with access to sensitive information.

 ``Sources are often very close to criminal activity,
 and sometimes they cross the line,'' said Special
 Agent George Grotz, an FBI spokesman in San Francisco.

 Grotz declined to say how Butler became an FBI
 informant and whether he was a federal source at the
 time of the alleged crimes. Grotz said Butler is no
 longer associated with the agency.

 Friends of the suspect told the Associated Press that
 Butler was caught possibly violating the law several
 years ago and began working with the FBI to avoid
 charges. Seth Alves, 27, told the news agency that
 Butler was unfairly targeted after refusing to comply
 with an FBI request.

 A 22-month investigation by the FBI and military
 investigators ended Tuesday morning when federal
 agents converged on a home on Dwight Way near the
 UC Berkeley campus, where Butler lives with his his
 23-year-old wife, Kimi Winters. No one answered the
 door. Butler turned himself in to the FBI in Oakland
 later that day.

 Butler grew up in Idaho and lived with his family
 in Washington, where authorities said he has a 1997
 misdemeanor conviction for attempted trafficking of
 stolen property.

 He developed a proficiency with computers, eventually
 attracting the attention of the FBI's Computer Crime
 Squad, which used him as a confidential informant.

 An FBI search warrant affidavit said Butler was
 ``well known'' to squad members and ``has provided
 useful and timely information on computer crimes in
 the past.''

 In 1997, Butler started a company known as Max Vision
 in Mountain View, specializing in ``penetration testing''
 and ``ethical hacking'' procedures in which he would
 simulate for clients how a hacker would penetrate their
 computer systems, according to the company Web site.

 ``Our client penetration rate is currently 100 percent,''
 the site said, with recent clients including a large
 consortium of telecommunications companies, a major
 motion picture company and an e-commerce online auction
 service.

 By 1998, Butler was living with Winters in a one-story
 San Jose apartment, where the couple started up their
 own Web-design company, Kimi Networks, records show.
 Reached by telephone yesterday, Winters hung up on a
 Chronicle reporter.

 It was also from that apartment, according to the FBI,
 that Butler hacked into computers by using a computer
 software vulnerability known as a buffer overflow, which
 sends commands into a system that ordinarily would not
 be allowed.

 Butler also allegedly invaded computers used by the
 Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. Vern Paxson, a
 computer scientist at the lab, noticed an online intruder
 conducting unauthorized scans of laboratory and UC Berkeley
 computers in May 1998 and used a monitoring device that
 later helped identify the source of the intrusions.

 Paxson said yesterday that Butler's arrest was
 ``somewhat ironic'' but ``not totally surprising.''

 Paxson said a person later identified as Butler even sent
 him an apologetic e-mail a day after the computer intrusions.
 But

Re: [CTRL] About Wicca

[C Davis]

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Its called The Wiccan Rede and is a law that most pagans live by. Harm
nothing...do what you will...harm nothing

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Re: [CTRL] About Wicca

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I remember reading somewhere that their philosophy or whatever is "Harming no
one or nothing, so what thou wilt."  I don't know about the rest of it, but
that little bit could well be taken up by the politicians and industrialists
over the entire globe.   Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] IM: Klayman: Criminals in the White House? (fwd)

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<<
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 By Larry Klayman of Judicial Watch >>

Will this nasty, screechy little man never go away?  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Money Trail? Non - Energy Trail! Kris please read this.

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What gets to me is that in 1982 or 83 (ballpark figures)
there was a company in Waco called "Solar King"
Solar energy and energy tax rebates were the fad.
This also seems to be the time that the price of
crack started going low. President Regan did well
in higher education, was well liked by his class
mates, gave speeches - yet now they are saying that
the guy was a mental goofus at the level of
Clinton and Bush.  It seems as if solar energy is
going to be one of the few safe routes and we are
having drug problems again and they are world wide.
Austria - home of the UN atomic energy commission.
Belgium - home of NATO
USA - home of the military branch of NATO
UK - home of CERN

-This is just the start of that list-
ThePiedPiper 27March2000


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Re: [CTRL] Waco Protest ALERT!

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<>

Can you prove this? The Texas Child Protective Services could not.



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Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
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[CTRL] Will someone do something about this prosyletizing? Or don't compla

[C Davis]

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Hes right...need to stop the preaching.

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Re: [CTRL] FOXTER...do something about this prosyletizing?

[Foxter]

Here is something I found 
having to do with their teaching on the Jihad
 
=

Muhammad, upon him be peace, was closer to them (believers) than their own 
selves. The (pagan) Arabs and Jews had formed a united front against them 
(Muhammad pbuh and his followers) and had put up all their efforts of enmity, 
standing and fighting against them... and (in fact) they shouted against them 
from every corner. Then, at that time Allah permitted them (Muhammad pbuh and 
his followers) the (Jihad) fighting but He did not make it obligatory. He said: 

Permission to fight is given to those (i.e. believers against 
disbelievers) who are fighting them (and) because they (believers) have been 
wronged, and surely Allah is Able to give them (believers) victory. 
Those who have been expelled from their homes unjustly only because they 
said:"Our Lord is Allah." (V.22:39,40). 
The above Verses clearly state that He (Allah) is Able to give victory to 
His worshippers (the believers) without fighting, but Allah wants from His 
worshippers obedience with all their efforts. As in His Statement: 
So when you meet (in fight... Jihad in Allah's Cause) those who 
disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of 
them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter 
(is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom) or ransom 
(according to whatbenefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you 
are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad againstthe disbelievers 
till they embrace Islam (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hellfire) 
orat leastcome under your protection] but if it had been Allah's Will, He 
Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you 
fight) in orderto test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the 
Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost. He will guide them and 
set right their state. And admit them to Paradise which He has made known to 
them (i.e. they will know their places in Paradise more than they used to know 
their houses in this world). (V.47:4, 5,6). 
Then after that He made (Jihad) "fighting" obligatory against all those who 
fight you (Muslims); not against those who didn't fight you. So Allah ordered: 

And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you... (V.2:I9O). 
Then Allah (swt) revealed in Sarah Tauba (Bara 'a) (Repentance, IX) the order 
to discard (all) the obligations (covenants, etc.) and commanded the Muslims to 
fight against all the Mushrikun as well as against the people of the Scriptures 
(Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizya (a 
tax levied on the nonMuslims who do not embrace Islam and are under the 
protectionofanlslamicgovernment) with willing submission and feel themselves 
subdued (as it is revealed in the Verse 9:29). So they (Muslims) were not 
permitted to abandon "the fighting" against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) 
and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an 
unlimited period while they are strong and are able to fight against them (non 
Muslims). 
As it is now obvious, at first "the fighting" was forbidden, then it was 
permitted and after that it was made obligatory- ( I ) against them who start 
"the fighting" against you (Muslims)... (2) and against all those who worship 
others along with Allah... as mentioned in SurahAIBaqaraSl (II), Allmran (III) 
and Tauba (IX)... and other Sarah (Chapters of the Qur'an). Allah (swt) made 
"the fighting' (Jihad) obligatory for the Muslims and gave importance to the 
subjectmatter of Jihad in all the Sarah (Chapters of the Qur'an) which were 
revealed (at AlMadina) as in Allah's Statement: 
March forth whether you are light (being healthy, young and wealthy) or heavy 
(being ill, old and poor), strive [ hard with your wealth and your lives in the 
Cause of Allah. This is better for you if you but knew. (V.9:41). 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Foxter 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 7:13 
AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] FOXTER...do something 
  about this prosyletizing?
  
  I am not sure if "canons" 
  is the right word.  It may not be in the Koran itself but there is some 
  document with seven tenets, canons, laws perhaps that I saw previously (l5 
  years ago eg) that says exactly that:  killing an "infidel" is a noble 
  thing.  Thus all the terrorism, kamikazi suicide bombings, etc.  I 
  believe the regular Muslims, like a friend from Iran that I have, do not 
  believe this.  But the fundies do.  I will hunt this 
  down.
   
  http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new?id=HolKora&tag=public&images=images/modeng&data=/lv2/english/relig/koran&part=0
   
   

Re: [CTRL] Waco Protest ALERT!

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

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From: "ThePiedPiper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Did not see a link to what the church was before
> that coward and child molester Koresh came on the
> scene.

DO you have some PROOF that Koresh ever molested anyone?

Funny, before the Feds got involved, the state of Texas
investigated charges of molestation and sexual abuse
against Koresh, and ruled them unfounded


June

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Re: [CTRL] FOXTER...do something about this prosyletizing?

[Foxter]

I am not sure if "canons" is 
the right word.  It may not be in the Koran itself but there is some 
document with seven tenets, canons, laws perhaps that I saw previously (l5 years 
ago eg) that says exactly that:  killing an "infidel" is a noble 
thing.  Thus all the terrorism, kamikazi suicide bombings, etc.  I 
believe the regular Muslims, like a friend from Iran that I have, do not believe 
this.  But the fundies do.  I will hunt this down.
 
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new?id=HolKora&tag=public&images=images/modeng&data=/lv2/english/relig/koran&part=0
 
 
 
 
 
 

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  -Caveat Lector-    -Cui 
  Bono?-Terry,Where may one find info regarding the canons of 
  Islam??>> PS about Islamic religion: one of their canons, I 
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From: "William Shannon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> << The accident caused a subluxation of my lower spine >>
>
> A "subluxation"h...you mean "the silent killer"??
>
> Chiropractic's Elusive "Subluxation"
> Stephen Barrett, M.D.
>
> If you are examined by a chiropractor, you may be told that you have
> one or more subluxations of your spine. This article examines what
this
> means and how you should react.
>
In my case, I had xrays showing the subluxation (which the
driver's doctor and insurance admitted was present in the
xrays), and the agreement of a the consulting neurologist
as to the diagnosis.  In my case, I had a set of 'before'
xrays done just 6 months before, and the 'after' xrays
left no question that I had a subluxation which was
pinching a nerve.

 As much as you try to denigrate chiropractors, the FACT
remains that almost everyone who pursues nothing but
traditional AMA-approved protocols for back problems never
achieve relief, and more often than not end up WORSE than
when they started

 Something you rarely hear about in regards to chiropractic.
Chiropractic patients report great relief, without having
to resort to drugs, or to invasive surgery which usually
leaves them in more pain than before.

 And if it was such a 'quack', why do insurance companies,
in this day and age when they are severely cutting back on
what they will pay for, continue to expand their coverage
to chiropractic and other 'alternative' forms of medicine?


> Subluxation is also a medical term. The medical definition is
> incomplete or partial dislocation -- a condition, visible on
> x-ray films, in which the bony surfaces of a joint no longer
> face each other exactly but remain partially aligned. No such
> condition can be corrected by chiropractic treatment.

 Funny, mine was.  My condition met your definition above.  It
was clearly visible on xray, not only to my chiropractor, but
also to the consulting neurologist, and the driver's doctor
and insurance reps.

I started out being unable to sleep at night due to the pain,
to being completely pain free...without resorting to drugs,
without being subjected to invasive surgery.  Xrays confirmed
that the subluxation was corrected.

 My condition wasn't alleviated by chiropractic alone, but
chiropractic in tandem with hydrotherapy prescribed by the
neurologist who worked WITH my chiropractor.  A neurologist
who concurred with my chiropractor that chiropractic treatments
were indicated, for he actually wrote that up as part of his
prescribed treatment (e.g., 'x' amount of chiropractic
treatments a week in conjunction with the hydrotherapy).

 I'm sure we'll now find you providing some treatise condemning
neurologists and/or hydrotherapy, too...


 June

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[CTRL] FOXTER...do something about this prosyletizing?

[Marlea Linse]

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Terry,

Where may one find info regarding the canons of Islam??
>
> PS about Islamic religion: one of their canons, I think it is the
> sixth one, provides basically that if an Islamic person kills a
> Christian (an "infidel") they earn a nicer spot in eternity.


Thanks,
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Re: [CTRL] Will someone do something

[Foxter]

Andrew,
 
What makes your posts come 
within the definition of "information" much less "vital information"?  You 
seem to post your opinion or retreads of others' (like the videotape 
below).
 
You say below:  
To show these prophesies in the books will take time and many 
questions. It is for this study that this list was created. 

No, this group is not 
about prophecies.  See the end of this message, which says:  "CTRL is 
a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic 
screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soap-boxing!"
 
Terry

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Andrew X98 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 1:23 
AM
  Subject: [CTRL] Will someone do 
  something
  
  Look Tara, what I am posting is 
  vital information on the sickest criminal conspiracy of the century. Because 
  it is connected with the Bible  is not of my making. I am asking no one 
  to believe anything. These are the David's teachings.  We must realize 
  that it was for these teachings that these people were murdered. Try putting 
  your emotions aside and care about the suffering that these people endured and 
  the continued suppression of the message for which these folks gave their 
  lives.
   
  Andrew X98  "The 
  Watchman"
   
  The "Cover-up Church" was founded 
  on the Sabbath 9-18-99 by Agent, Clive Doyle
   
  Waco Video: "X A True 
  Revelation"  $10.98 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
  The Children were "HACKED" to 
  death before the fire!http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/index.html
   
  David Koresh Said:  "The 
  earthquake in Waco is not something to be taken lightly. It will probably be 
  "the thing" needed to shake some sense into the people."
  
-Original Message-From: 
Tara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: 
Sunday, March 26, 2000 11:52 PMSubject: [CTRL] Will someone 
do something about this prosyletizing? Or don't complain if I argue with the 
guy.
Okay. I'm not arguing with Mr. Andrew anymore, 
(which is very difficult, because he infuriates me) but will someone stop 
his posting of religious beliefs and propoganda and libellous statements 
about others? I was accused of prosyletizing for mentioning one biblical 
verse in response to a statement that he made about a certain belief that he 
claimed was in the bible, and my verse was to show him that no, the Bible 
said otherwise. He continues to send this stuff, and I get told I'm 
prosyletysing? Nuff said.
 
Tara

  -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory 
  Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andrew 
  X98Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 11:09 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] Introduction to 
  
  
  
   
  we 
  are asking for an understand of the connection between Koresh and Iran. 
  
   
  The light inside David Koresh was 
  the Christ that is to fulfill the prophesies of the Bible and the 
  Quran.
   
  What are the prophesies of Islam 
  that he will fulfill? Well, in 
  Islam there is an awaited savior just as there is in Judaism and 
  Christianity. This savior comes with Jesus to wage war against the 
  Anti-Christ. After Satan's destruction the Government of God is set up. 
  David Koresh taught the same thing.
   
  We are not interested in arguing 
  personal faiths or belief systems. 
   
   

[CTRL] Will someone do something about this prosyletizing? Or don't complain if I argue with the guy.

[Foxter]

Tara, you are being 
persecuted.  Inartfully but it is still so.  The guy has a 
steamrolling agenda, to push the Islamic religion.  
 
This guy is expounding 
on the teachings of Islam (read through for his moral words like brave, 
good, etc.).  That is called preaching where I come from.  His main 
theme apears to be to suggest Koresh is the Christ.  I got slammed by the 
group for expressing personal religious insights on conspiracy 
events.  Now you. Let's see what is done  to him. 
 
PS about Islamic religion:  
one of their canons, I think it is the sixth one, provides basically that if an 
Islamic person kills a Christian (an "infidel") they earn a nicer spot in 
eternity.  I suppose some see it as a way to become a little god for 
eternity.  QED they see things like ignoring rational arguments 
presented in intellectual rapport by nonIslamics as a trifling 
thing.  If the list doesn't do anything at least you can block 
the guy from your inbox and delete him out of your life space.  
Terry

  ===
   
  Okay. I'm not 
  arguing with Mr. Andrew anymore, (which is very difficult, because he 
  infuriates me) but will someone stop his posting of religious beliefs and 
  propoganda and libellous statements about others? I was accused of 
  prosyletizing for mentioning one biblical verse in response to a statement 
  that he made about a certain belief that he claimed was in the bible, and my 
  verse was to show him that no, the Bible said otherwise. He continues to send 
  this stuff, and I get told I'm prosyletysing? Nuff said.
   
  Tara
  
  "What is Truth?"  said 
  Pilate after Jesus said:  "Thou sayest 
  that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the 
  world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the 
  truth heareth my voice."
   
  The light inside David Koresh 
  was the Christ that is to fulfill the prophesies of the Bible and the 
  Quran.
   
  What are the prophesies of 
  Islam that he will fulfill? Well, in 
  Islam there is an awaited savior just as there is in Judaism and Christianity 
  
   
   

[CTRL] [newsucanuse] VIN -- hairdressers as snitches

[lloyd]

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Subject: [newsucanuse] VIN -- hairdressers as snitches
Date: Friday, March 24, 2000 3:07 PM


 FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA

 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz
 Watch what you tell your hairdresser


 Hairdressers "are often confidantes for many people," explains Veronica
 Boyd-Frenkel, Nevada's "domestic violence ombudsman" ... whatever that is.

   "They may hear things even someone's best friend may not hear and they
 might notice injuries," Ms. Boyd-Frenkel continues, explaining why the
 state of Nevada -- which licenses hairdressers through the Board of
 Cosmetology -- is now launching a series of training seminars designed to
 help hairdressers recognize the signs of domestic abuse, and even hopes to
 "integrate the training into beauty school classes" required by state law.

   In addition to listening closely, the hairdressers would now be expected
 to watch for those telltale signs -- a bump, a bruise, a missing clump of
 hair -- and heaven help the husband of a woman who banged her head in a
 fender-bender yesterday.

   "They don't necessarily have to be counselors," explains Ms.
 Boyd-Frenkel, soothingly, "but we're trying to help them be a referral
 source for these victims."

   With training being provided by the state attorney general's office?

   The last time I checked, bartenders used to hear a lot of complaints
 about marital troubles, too. Shall they now be required to take government
 courses on how to "snitch out" their customers to those enforcing the
 domestic abuse laws -- hey, maybe even the child support laws?

   Domestic battery is a serious matter. Mind you, it can be just as potent
 a threat to the sanctity of our families when "child welfare" snoops start
 pre-emptively pulling children out of homes because the baby-sitter
 reported "unexplained bruises." I grow a bit tired of "dad" always be
 presumed guilty. But of course a real victim of abuse and battery should be
 urged to remove herself from such an environment, and then to seek legal
 assistance. Beating people up is a crime.

   Nonetheless, one suspects Nevada's state Board of Cosmetology -- which
 heretofore has been nothing but an unnecessary protection racket, limiting
 unwelcome, lower-cost competition for the state's existing beauty salons --
 is merely hunting here for another way to justify its existence.

   Once we start down this road, shall we also require garage mechanics to
 report any sign that a car has been driven above the speed limit --
 threatening to "pull their mechanics' licenses" if they don't comply?

   Yes, yes, everything will be "according to their judgment."

   But look at the FDIC regulations which call for bank employees to "use
 their judgment" in reporting to the IRS or DEA any large cash transaction
 which "looks suspicious." Rather than risk the appearance of complicity,
 the "default setting" in our banks is now to require everyone making a
 $5,000 cash withdrawal to "fill out the forms." Isn't it?

   This latest "turn in your customer" program is modeled after one in
 Connecticut, we're told.

   Oh, good choice. Connecticut, the only state in the union that now
 encourages anonymous callers to turn in their neighbors for owning firearms
 -- perfectly legal firearms -- whereupon the police will go to that
 gun-owner's home, seize the weapons, and hold them while investigating the
 neighbor's worries that the law-abiding gun-owner "might be dangerous." (A
 Bridgeport man who lives with his mother became the first victim of the new
 law, last fall. The weapons seized included heirlooms that had been in the
 family for generations.)

   If Ms. Boyd-Frenkel wants to urge hair salons to put up signs with the
 state's domestic violence "800-number" help line, well and good. But we do
 not need state agencies training citizens after the model of the East
 German Stasi, which ended up with fully one third of the nation snitching
 on the other two-thirds.

   Let us not forget the "well-meaning experts" who interviewed children
 with the aid of anatomically correct dolls, refusing to take "no" for an
 answer and eliciting from those reluctant children bizarre tales of animal
 sacrifice and sex abuse, with the result that dozens of innocent day care
 workers were jailed in rampant child-abuse witch hunts in this very
 country, not 20 years ago.

   Though hardly infallible -- see above -- police psychologists and
 domestic violence counselors are called professionals because they've
 received hundreds of hours of intensive training, been subjected to
 rigorous examinations, and hopefully even been taught about "look-alike"
 symptoms which may result from little-known medical conditions, or

Re: [CTRL] To your corners......

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 -Cui Bono?-

 >Now that's a novel argument...which must surely have been designed by
> >the
>> conspirators to create more division by prompting people such as
>> myself to
> >question your motives by trying to direct people away from seeking
>> out the
>> complete truth

>Say WHAT?

Forgive the lack of clarity, or rather the incomprehensibility. A late
night

I think what I was trying to say was that the claim that by "arguing and
quibbling over small details, you are playing into the hands of the
conspirators" was a bit rich if not bizarre. If anything, it is a call for
ideological unity, for all of us be committed to the big picture and to
interpret concerns over the details as sinister attempts at sabotaging the
precious consensus - or at least an activity which supports the
"conspirators".

I find that attitude dangerous because, first, it negates and rejects
counter-views on political grounds, and second,  it obstructs the legitimate
quest for the truth by asserting that we already know it - although I would
contend that we don't - and that further consideration is counter-productive.
And I suppose finally I would question whether "we" were a unified "movement"
anyway, but just a lot of people with different views on similar topics...

Hope that's a bit clearer.

BD.

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Re: [CTRL] He's Baaack! The Return of Gerald Posner

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John,

Methinks you are unreasonable to assert that one would only support the
lone-gunman theory if one were paid out to do so by the government, or part
thereof. There is such a thing as an independent opinion or don't you believe
that is possible? That the "facts" are in and only agent of the powers that
be would pursue such a line of inquiry?

Sure, there is a lot of literature out there which rejects the notion that
Oswald did it and asserts JFK was the victim of a criminal conspiracy, but
that's only thing those books seem to share.  Afterall, to Posner and others,
it might be quite logical to conclude that Oswald was the killer, especially
when faced with the parade of theories positing a variety of combinations of
conspiratorial cliques, groups of assassins, and other instances of
imaginative speculation, especially when they can find so many instances of
the consensu view is supported by fudged facts, inconsistent witnesses,
selective evidence and intepretation, and other shoddy work.

So, even if you still think Posner's work is wrong, there's no need to make
the insulting and intellectually lazy claim that he is a government agent -
unless you can prove that he is. Otherwise I guess you just have to let your
"facts" and his errors speak for themselves...

BD.

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and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
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