[CTRL] AlterNet: Government Knew in '74 That Marajuana Sharnk Tumors
-Caveat Lector- Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74 Raymond Cushing, AlterNet May 31, 2000 --- The term medical marijuana took on dramatic new meaning in February, 2000 when researchers in Madrid announced they had destroyed incurable brain tumors in rats by injecting them with THC, the active ingredient in cannabis. The Madrid study marks only the second time that THC has been administered to tumor-bearing animals; the first was a Virginia investigation 26 years ago. In both studies, the THC shrank or destroyed tumors in a majority of the test subjects. Most Americans don't know anything about the Madrid discovery. Virtually no major U.S. newspapers carried the story, which ran only once on the AP and UPI news wires, on Feb. 29, 2000. The ominous part is that this isn't the first time scientists have discovered that THC shrinks tumors. In 1974 researchers at the Medical College of Virginia, who had been funded by the National Institute of Health to find evidence that marijuana damages the immune system, found instead that THC slowed the growth of three kinds of cancer in mice -- lung and breast cancer, and a virus-induced leukemia. The DEA quickly shut down the Virginia study and all further cannabis/tumor research, according to Jack Herer, who reports on the events in his book, The Emperor Wears No Clothes. In 1976 President Gerald Ford put an end to all public cannabis research and granted exclusive research rights to major pharmaceutical companies, who set out -- unsuccessfully -- to develop synthetic forms of THC that would deliver all the medical benefits without the high. The Madrid researchers reported in the March issue of Nature Medicine that they injected the brains of 45 rat with cancer cells, producing tumors whose presence they confirmed through magnetic resonance imaging (MRI). On the 12th day they injected 15 of the rats with THC and 15 with Win-55,212-2 a synthetic compound similar to THC. All the rats left untreated uniformly died 12-18 days after glioma (brain cancer) cell inoculation ... Cannabinoid (THC)-treated rats survived significantly longer than control rats. THC administration was ineffective in three rats, which died by days 16-18. Nine of the THC-treated rats surpassed the time of death of untreated rats, and survived up to 19-35 days. Moreover, the tumor was completely eradicated in three of the treated rats. The rats treated with Win-55,212-2 showed similar results. The Spanish researchers, led by Dr. Manuel Guzman of Complutense University, also irrigated healthy rats' brains with large doses of THC for seven days, to test for harmful biochemical or neurological effects. They found none. Careful MRI analysis of all those tumor-free rats showed no sign of damage related to necrosis, edema, infection or trauma ... We also examined other potential side effects of cannabinoid administration. In both tumor-free and tumor-bearing rats, cannabinoid administration induced no substantial change in behavioral parameters such as motor coordination or physical activity. Food and water intake as well as body weight gain were unaffected during and after cannabinoid delivery. Likewise, the general hematological profiles of cannabinoid-treated rats were normal. Thus, neither biochemical parameters nor markers of tissue damage changed substantially during the 7-day delivery period or for at least 2 months after cannabinoid treatment ended. Guzman's investigation is the only time since the 1974 Virginia study that THC has been administered to live tumor-bearing animals. (The Spanish researchers cite a 1998 study in which cannabinoids inhibited breast cancer cell proliferation, but that was a petri dish experiment that didn't involve live subjects.) In an email interview for this story, the Madrid researcher said he had heard of the Virginia study, but had never been able to locate literature on it. Hence, the Nature Medicine article characterizes the new study as the first on tumor-laden animals and doesn't cite the 1974 Virginia investigation. I am aware of the existence of that research. In fact I have attempted many times to obtain the journal article on the original investigation by these people, but it has proven impossible. Guzman said. In 1983 the Reagan/Bush Administration tried to persuade American universities and researchers to destroy all 1966-76 cannabis research work, including compendiums in libraries, reports Jack Herer, who states, We know that large amounts of information have since disappeared. Guzman provided the title of the work -- Antineoplastic activity of cannabinoids, an article in a 1975 Journal of the National Cancer Institute -- and this writer obtained a copy at the University of California medical school library in Davis and faxed it to Madrid. The summary of the Virginia study begins, Lewis lung adenocarcinoma growth was retarded by the oral administration of
[CTRL] AP: Charges Dropped in Ruby Ridge case
-Caveat Lector- http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=2870 Charges Dropped in Ruby Ridge case Thu Jun 14 18:11:03 2001 Prosecutor: FBI sniper will not go to trial in shooting death ASSOCIATED PRESS SPOKANE, Wash., June 14 - An FBI sniper who shot and killed the wife of white separatist Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge will not be tried in an Idaho courtroom, an Idaho county prosecutor said Thursday. Last week, a sharply divided 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi could face trial on an involuntary manslaughter charge for the death of Vicki Weaver in the 1992 standoff. BOUNDARY COUNTY, Idaho, Prosecutor Brett Benton issued his decision in a news release from his Bonners Ferry, Idaho, office. He gave no reasons. The involuntary manslaughter charge had been filed by Benton's predecessor, Denise Woodbury. She lost to Benton in last year's election. Special Prosecutor Stephen Yagman, a Los Angeles attorney appointed by Woodbury to handle the case, said he did not take part in the decision against prosecution. Were there to be a different prosecutor in Boundary County, the charge, or more severe charges such as second-degree murder, could be refiled, Yagman is quoted as saying in the same news release. TEST OF IMMUNITY The Ruby Ridge case was seen as a test of whether federal agents are immune from state prosecution. The federal government declined to prosecute Horiuchi, but last week's 6-5 ruling by the appeals court cleared the way for Idaho prosecutors to pursue charges against him. The appeals court agreed with Boundary County attorney Ramsey Clark, who argued in December that immunity cannot be granted until there is an evidentiary hearing to determine whether Horiuchi acted unlawfully. If a judge ruled that Horiuchi acted unlawfully, then the case could go before a jury. Horiuchi's attorney, Adam Hoffinger, was out of the country and not available for comment Thursday. No one answered the telephone at Randy Weaver's Iowa home on Thursday. NATIONWIDE DEBATE The standoff near Bonners Ferry prompted a nationwide debate on the use of force by federal agencies. It began after government agents tried to arrest Randy Weaver for failing to appear in court on charges of selling two illegal sawed-off shotguns. The Weaver's cabin had been under surveillance for several months when the violence began with the deaths of Deputy U.S. Marshal William Degan, Weaver's 14-year-old son, Samuel, and the Weaver family dog, Striker. During the standoff, Horiuchi shot and killed Weaver's wife and wounded family friend Kevin Harris. Witnesses said the sharpshooter fired as Vicki Weaver held open the cabin door, her 10-month-old baby in her arms. Horiuchi has said he didn't see Vicki Weaver when he fired at Harris, who was armed and was ducking inside the cabin. He also said he fired to protect a government helicopter overhead. APPEALS COURT TROUBLED The appeals court appeared troubled with the case. Those in dissent said the majority was using hindsight in dissecting the mistakes of Horiuchi. They called the majority's opinion a grave disservice to FBI agents and argued that Horiuchi, who is still an FBI agent, should be immune from prosecution. The standoff ended after Harris and Weaver surrendered. Both men were acquitted of murder, conspiracy and other federal charges. Weaver was convicted of failing to appear for trial on the firearms charge. The Justice Department last summer settled the last civil suit stemming from the standoff. The government admitted no wrongdoing, but paid Harris $380,000 to drop his $10 million civil damage suit. In 1995, the government paid Weaver and his three surviving children $3.1 million for the killings of Weaver's wife and son. For more: Prosecutor declines to prosecute FBI sniper in Ruby Ridge case http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/local/27500_ruby14ww.shtml The Horiuchi case is too important Thu Jun 14 13:26:35 2001 http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=2849 McGuckin jail stay extended by two weeks http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=2860 A cop responds Thu Jun 14 13:39:49 2001 http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=2851 Third Suspect Identified in Oklahoma Bombing http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=2859 Unresolved Deaths In Oklahoma Thu Jun 14 12:00:05 2001 http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=2839 Unresolved Deaths In Oklahoma (2) http://www.sightings.com/general11/unresolved.htm
[CTRL] FoxNews: Ruby Ridge Prosecutor Declines to Prosecute FBI Sniper
-Caveat Lector- http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,27300,00.html Ruby Ridge Prosecutor Declines to Prosecute FBI Sniper Thursday, June 14, 2001 FOX NEWS SPOKANE, Wash. - The FBI sniper who shot the wife of white separatist Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge will not be tried in an Idaho courtroom for involuntary manslaughter, Boundary County, Idaho, Prosecutor Brett Benton said Thursday. Last week, a sharply divided 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi could face trial for the death of Vicki Weaver in the 1992 standoff. Benton issued his decision in a brief press release from his Bonners Ferry, Idaho, office. He gave no reason for his decision. The involuntary manslaughter charge had been filed by Benton's predecessor, Denise Woodbury. She lost to Benton in last year's election. Special Prosecutor Stephen Yagman, a Los Angeles attorney appointed by Woodbury to handle the case, said he did not take part in the decision to drop the charge. Were there to be a different prosecutor in Boundary County, the charge, or more severe charges such as second-degree murder, could be refiled, Yagman said in the news release. Yagman also said he hoped that a state investigation against Benton, alleging he falsified documents in an unrelated case, did not influence the decision. The Ruby Ridge case was seen as a test of whether federal agents are immune from state prosecution. The federal government declined to prosecute Horiuchi, but last week's 6-5 ruling by the appeals court cleared the way for Idaho prosecutors to pursue charges against him. The appeals court agreed with Boundary County attorney Ramsey Clark, who argued in December that immunity cannot be granted until there is an evidentiary hearing to determine whether Horiuchi acted unlawfully. If the judge had ruled that Horiuchi did act unlawfully, then the case could go before a jury. Horiuchi's attorney, Adam Hoffinger of Washington, D.C., was out of the country and not available for comment Thursday. No one answered the telephone at Randy Weaver's Iowa home on Thursday. The standoff near Bonners Ferry prompted a nationwide debate on the use of force by federal agencies. It began after government agents tried to arrest Randy Weaver for failing to appear in court on charges of selling two illegal sawed-off shotguns. The Weaver's cabin had been under surveillance for several months when the violence began with the deaths of Deputy U.S. Marshal William Degan, Weaver's 14-year-old son, Samuel, and the Weaver family dog, Striker. During the standoff, Horiuchi shot and killed Weaver's wife and wounded family friend Kevin Harris. Witnesses said the sharpshooter fired as Vicki Weaver held open the cabin door, her 10-month-old baby in her arms. Horiuchi has said he didn't see Vicki Weaver when he fired at Harris, who was armed and was ducking inside the cabin. He also said he fired to protect a government helicopter overhead. The appeals court appeared troubled with the case. Those in dissent said the majority was using hindsight in dissecting the mistakes of Horiuchi. They called the majority's opinion a grave disservice to FBI agents and argued that Horiuchi, who is still an FBI agent, should be immune from prosecution. The standoff ended after Harris and Weaver surrendered. Both men were acquitted of murder, conspiracy and other federal charges. Weaver was convicted of failing to appear for trial on the firearms charge. The Justice Department last summer settled the last civil suit stemming from the standoff. The government admitted no wrongdoing, but paid Harris $380,000 to drop his $10 million civil damage suit. In 1995, the government paid Weaver and his three surviving children $3.1 million for the killings of Weaver's wife and son. Fox News Network, LLC 2001. All rights reserved. === Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
[CTRL] ABCnews: Missing Intern Case Intensifies; NYP: Pals Push CA Rep For Details On Intern
-Caveat Lector- http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/levy_condit010614.html Missing Intern Case Intensifies Mother, Condit's Lawyer Speak Out; Grand Jury Used W A S H I N G T O N, June 14 - Rep. Gary Condit's lawyer is denying a report that a missing Washington intern spent the night at the California congressman's apartment, but 24-year-old Chandra Levy's mother says it's a possibility Condit knows where her daughter is. This has become a media frenzy - a tabloid circus, attorney Joseph Cotchett, said on ABCNEWS' Good Morning America. It's going beyond the boundaries of fairness and civility. Anonymous Sources, Cropped Photographs Cotchett said a report by The Washington Post last week that Condit had told police investigators that Levy spent the night at his apartment was absolutely false. [She] absolutely did not, Cotchett said. If she did, she had to spend it on a couch because Congressman Condit's wife was in Washington the entire week [before] she [went] missing. The Post story did not specify a date when Levy allegedly stayed with the congressman. Cotchett sent a letter to the newspaper demanding a retraction, but the Post is standing by its story. The lawyer has also complained to the New York Daily News about the use of a photo showing Condit with his arm around Levy. The full picture shows the congressman with Levy and his intern, Jennifer Baker, who is a friend of Levy's, but many news organizations have cropped the photo to show only Condit and Levy. That's just a false picture, he said. That picture was taken in the congressman's office with three people - not with two. Mother: Condit Involvement 'A Possibility' The Post also reported that one of Levy's relatives told the paper Levy had discussed her romantic life in Washington, and that she had told the relative things that seem to contradict statements issued by Condit's office denying any sort of romantic relationship with the young Bureau of Prisons intern. Susan Levy, Chandra's mother, said in an interview with MSNBC today the relative's statements were true. Levy also urged Condit to come forward with additional information, suggesting he has not been completely forthcoming in the matter. I think he could come out and share what he does know, she said. We'd appreciate his help for having some questions answered. Asked if she believed the congressman knows where her daughter is, Levy replied: It's a possibility. Nothing's ruled out. The last contact anyone had with Chandra was an e-mail she sent to her mother on the morning of May 1. She was last seen on April 30 at her health club. Police found Levy's bags packed, ready for her trip back to California, her driver's license and cash in her apartment. Only her keys appeared to be missing. Police: Grand Jury Used to Obtain Subpoeanas Levy's disappearance is still classified as a missing persons case, but Cmdr. Jack Barrett of the Washington Metropolitan Police Department said on MSNBC today that a grand jury had recently been used to obtain evidence - an indication the investigation may be intensifying. Cotchett said today Condit has not hired a criminal defense attorney and has no need to do so. There's no need for that, he said on Good Morning America. What we're talking about here is the boundaries of the press coverage. Barrett said records obtained by subpoeana have been very helpful to the investigation. Condit's chief of staff, Michael Lynch, told ABCNEWS today the congressman has told the police everything he knew in an initial interview and subsequent phone conversations. Lynch said to his knowledge that there have been no subpoenas issued for any of Condit's records. There are 20 police detectives assigned to the case and the FBI is investigating Levy's disappearance. Levy is one of 453 people in Washington, D.C., who have been reported missing this year. # http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/32579.htm New York Post June 14, 2001 PALS PUSH CALIF. REP FOR DETAILS ON INTERN By NILES LATHEM and TRACY CONNOR Rep. Gary Condit's colleagues are pressuring him to go public with details of his relationship with missing intern Chandra Levy - fearing the California Democrat's silence about the mystery could wreck his career. A handful of California politicos, including big-time lobbyist Vic Fazio and members of the state's congressional delegation, have urged him to explain himself in a TV interview or press conference, The Post has learned. The feeling up here is he needs to do something to get the pressure off, one congressional source said yesterday. He needs to pick a public forum to clear the air and get himself out of the tabloid maelstrom. Condit's office did not return calls for comment. Levy, 24, was last heard from May 1, shortly after she completed a six-month internship with the Bureau of Prisons in Washington. Condit has told cops he was helping Levy get a job with the FBI and that she had
[CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74
-Caveat Lector- (But this threatens G Dubya family's drug company empire?!! Well no wonder, I'll bet the conservatives do not like this one bit. Damn, a natural drug that treats cancer and cannot be patented! No profits for big business. And look at what hemp will do to the price of timber, and ***OIL***. Egad!) Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74 Raymond Cushing, AlterNet May 31, 2000 --- The term medical marijuana took on dramatic new meaning in February, 2000 when researchers in Madrid announced they had destroyed incurable brain tumors in rats by injecting them with THC, the active ingredient in cannabis. The Madrid study marks only the second time that THC has been administered to tumor-bearing animals; the first was a Virginia investigation 26 years ago. In both studies, the THC shrank or destroyed tumors in a majority of the test subjects. Most Americans don't know anything about the Madrid discovery. Virtually no major U.S. newspapers carried the story, which ran only once on the AP and UPI news wires, on Feb. 29, 2000. The ominous part is that this isn't the first time scientists have discovered that THC shrinks tumors. In 1974 researchers at the Medical College of Virginia, who had been funded by the National Institute of Health to find evidence that marijuana damages the immune system, found instead that THC slowed the growth of three kinds of cancer in mice -- lung and breast cancer, and a virus-induced leukemia. The DEA quickly shut down the Virginia study and all further cannabis/tumor research, according to Jack Herer, who reports on the events in his book, The Emperor Wears No Clothes. In 1976 President Gerald Ford put an end to all public cannabis research and granted exclusive research rights to major pharmaceutical companies, who set out - - unsuccessfully -- to develop synthetic forms of THC that would deliver all the medical benefits without the high. The Madrid researchers reported in the March issue of Nature Medicine that they injected the brains of 45 rat with cancer cells, producing tumors whose presence they confirmed through magnetic resonance imaging (MRI). On the 12th day they injected 15 of the rats with THC and 15 with Win-55,212-2 a synthetic compound similar to THC. All the rats left untreated uniformly died 12-18 days after glioma (brain cancer) cell inoculation ... Cannabinoid (THC)-treated rats survived significantly longer than control rats. THC administration was ineffective in three rats, which died by days 16-18. Nine of the THC-treated rats surpassed the time of death of untreated rats, and survived up to 19-35 days. Moreover, the tumor was completely eradicated in three of the treated rats. The rats treated with Win-55,212-2 showed similar results. The Spanish researchers, led by Dr. Manuel Guzman of Complutense University, also irrigated healthy rats' brains with large doses of THC for seven days, to test for harmful biochemical or neurological effects. They found none. Careful MRI analysis of all those tumor-free rats showed no sign of damage related to necrosis, edema, infection or trauma ... We also examined other potential side effects of cannabinoid administration. In both tumor-free and tumor-bearing rats, cannabinoid administration induced no substantial change in behavioral parameters such as motor coordination or physical activity. Food and water intake as well as body weight gain were unaffected during and after cannabinoid delivery. Likewise, the general hematological profiles of cannabinoid-treated rats were normal. Thus, neither biochemical parameters nor markers of tissue damage changed substantially during the 7-day delivery period or for at least 2 months after cannabinoid treatment ended. Guzman's investigation is the only time since the 1974 Virginia study that THC has been administered to live tumor-bearing animals. (The Spanish researchers cite a 1998 study in which cannabinoids inhibited breast cancer cell proliferation, but that was a petri dish experiment that didn't involve live subjects.) In an email interview for this story, the Madrid researcher said he had heard of the Virginia study, but had never been able to locate literature on it. Hence, the Nature Medicine article characterizes the new study as the first on tumor-laden animals and doesn't cite the 1974 Virginia investigation. I am aware of the existence of that research. In fact I have attempted many times to obtain the journal article on the original investigation by these people, but it has proven impossible. Guzman said. In 1983 the Reagan/Bush Administration tried to persuade American universities and researchers to destroy all 1966-76 cannabis research work, including compendiums in libraries, reports Jack Herer, who states, We know that large amounts of information have since disappeared. Guzman provided the title of the work -- Antineoplastic activity of cannabinoids, an article in a
Re: [CTRL] Middle East: Did You Know? (UNITY)
-Caveat Lector- Tenorlove wrote: -Caveat Lector- I went to the UNITY website. The home page shows icons of a burning Israeli flag, and a U.S. flag with a Star of David instead of the Stars, also aflame. They also offer Arabic language web-based email. Besides the typical Jew-hatred stuff, there is also promotional material for the KLA and a Hiroshima Nagasaki Memorial Page. Basically, it's an anti-Israel, anti-American, pro-Muslim fundamentalist site with links to Hezbollah and Hamas sites. And they still don't give verifiable sources for their facts. Then allow me. This is a job for J2man. -- Forwarded message -- From: UNITY [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNITY Did You Know? Did you know that non-jewish israelis cannot buy or lease land in the zionist entity? No one can buy land which is held by the national trust. Did you know that Palestinian license plates in Zionist entity are color coded to distinguish jews from non-jews? All Israelis, including Israeli Arabs have yellow plates with black letters - in fact so do Arabs living in Eastern Jerusalem who do not have citizenship. That is the reason that some Israeli Arabs have been hit by Arab rocks and bullets by mistake. Did you know that Israel allots 85% of the water resources for jews and the remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinians in the territories? For example in Hebron, 85% of the water is given to about 400 settlers, while 15% must be divided among Hebron's 120,000 Palestinians? Did you know that Israel has been supplying the Jordanian city of Amman ( which is predominantly Palestinian ) with water for the past two years? Did you know the United States awards the israel $5 billion in aid each year? Almost all of which never leaves the US but is transferred to the coffers of the US weapons industry. Did you know that yearly US aid to israel exceeds the aid the US grants to the whole African continent? So what? Did you know that the israel is the only country in the Middle East that has nuclear weapons? Good thing too. Imagine if those Palestinians had a nuclear weapon. Did you know that the israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites? This is such an absurd lie. Do the name Saddam Hussein ring a bell? Did you know that israel currently occupies territories of two sovereign nations (Lebanon and Syria) in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions? Did you know that Israel does not occupy Lebanon anymore BUT SYRIA DOES. For the jews who claim the land is theirs according to the Bible: God said to Abraham, Unto thy SEED, I will give thy land. Abraham had TWO sons and TWO seeds. Ishmael -- the Arab son, and Isaac -- the Jewish son. The Bible even identifies Ishmael (the Arab son) as Abraham's son and seed: And Hagar bore Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, whom Hagar bore, Ishmael (Holy Bible:Genesis 16:15). Theres more Genesis 17:23, 17:25, 17:26, 25:9, 25:12 ... So even if one wants to go to the Bible, the land would belong to both seeds of Abraham. Well that's an interesting concession. But the Bible is not a legal deed for anyone. Anyhow, god liked Abraham's Jewish son better. The Arabs are the Tommy Smothers of the Bible which is after all the book of the Jews. I'm sure they do better with the Koran. Did you know that israel has for decades routinely sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies? Unlike the Palestinians who sent their terrorists to other countries to kill anyone at all. Did you know that high-ranking military officers in the israeli Defense Forces have admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed by the IDF? War is heck. Did you know that israel refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war? When the PLO prosecutes its terrorists for blowing up civilians all over the world, the maybe the Israelis will prosecute their soldiers. Did you know that israel routinely confiscates bank accounts, businesses, and land and refuses to pay compensation to those who suffer the confiscation? They must be lawyers. Did you know that israel blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship in international waters, killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors? I wonder why? Did you know that the second most powerful lobby in the United States, according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders, is the jewish AIPAC? And the
[CTRL] At Least Biotech Terrorists Are Consistent ... They're Always Wrong (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Junkscience.com - www.junkscience.com New from JunkScience.com, http://www.junkscience.com At Least the Biotech Terrorists Are Consistent ... They're Always Wrong By Steven Milloy, Fox News June 14, 2001 Oops, they did it again. Biotechnology terrorists started another scare that didn't pan out. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that no evidence could be found that Starlink corn is causing allergic reactions in people. Starlink is a type of biotech corn not approved for human consumption that was found in Taco Bell taco shells last September... The full column is at http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,27297,00.html Steve Milloy __ To unsubscribe, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Coalition for Constitutional Liberties, Vol. 5 #12 (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Weekly Update for 6/14/01 COALITION FOR CONSTITUTIONAL LIBERTIES Volume 5, Number 12 Brought to you by the Center for Technology Policy of the Free Congress Foundation Lisa S. Dean, Vice President for Technology Policy (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) J. Bradley Jansen, Deputy Director for Technology Policy (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hannah H. Woody, Coalition Coordinator (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) phone: (202) 546-3000 fax: (202) 544-2819 http://www.FreeCongress.org *** THIS WEEK: * A DANGER TO SOCIETY by Lisa S. Dean, from the Endangered Liberties Television Program * INFORMATION EXCHANGE DANGERS by J. Bradley Jansen * SENATE TRIES TO STOP ADMINISTRATION'S REVIEW OF MONEY LAUNDERING by Mike Godfrey, Tax-news.com, June 11, 2001 http://www.tax-news.com/asp/story/story.asp?storyname=3925 * DIGGING THOSE DIGICASH BLUES by Declan McCullagh, June 14, 2001 http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,44507,00.html * CAN'T SCAN WITHOUT A WARRANT by Declan McCullagh, June 12, 2001 http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,4,00.html * POSTAL SERVICE HAS ITS EYE ON YOU by John Berlau, InsightMag.com, June 8, 2001 http://www.insightmag.com/archive/200107033.shtml * THE U.N. IS COMING FOR YOUR GUNS by William Jud, 17 May 2001 * MEDICAL PRIVACY PROTECTION RESOLUTION: Letter from Rep. Ron Paul to Hastert June 7, 2001 * ARMEY TO PRESS OPPOSITION TO NET WIRETAPS by John Schwartz, The New York Times, June 14, 2001 http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/14/technology/14CARN.html * LETTER FROM ARMEY TO ASHCROFT RE: CARNIVORE RECENT PRIVACY DECISION House Majority Leader Dick Armey's letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft, June 14, 2001 A DANGER TO SOCIETY By Lisa S. Dean From the Endangered Liberties Television Program Attorney General John Ashcroft is coming under fire lately because of the strong stance he has taken in favor of the death penalty in the Agent Robert Hanssen spy case. The press reported earlier last week that the reason negotiations between the Justice Department and Hanssen's attorneys broke down was precisely because Attorney General Ashcroft will not eliminate the possibility of seeking the death penalty for Hanssen's accused acts of treason. How politically incorrect of him! But somehow I don't think political correctness governs the thinking of John Ashcroft when it comes to doing his job, nor should it. Under Reno we got used to the office being used for intimidating political enemies and advancing the cause of political correctness that many Americans have forgotten what it's supposed to be - namely, the #1 law enforcement office in the country and under the law, the death penalty is considered a suitable punishment for the crime of treason. The press of course is making Ashcroft out to be some hypocritical ogre. Here is a man who prays every day and seeks guidance from the Lord, is pro-life when it comes to abortion but then turns around and favors the death penalty. The Left has, for decades, attempted to paint a picture that people who are religious, pro-life, and pro-death penalty are hypocrites and quite frankly, it's a tiresome argument but since a whole new generation is now of voting age and engaged in current events, it's necessary to repeat the argument and show that this is not hypocritical or inconsistent. Charles Rice, Professor of Law at Notre Dame, whose concentration is jurisprudence, is a well-established and respected authority on these questions. He has written extensively over the years on abortion and the death penalty. In an article published in the New York Times quite some time ago, Professor Rice argued that the death penalty is not in conflict with Christianity nor with the pro-life viewpoint. He explains that The state's moral authority to impose the death penalty, as with the moral authority to kill in a just war, ultimately rests on the fact that the state derives its authority from God who is the Lord of Life. If the common good (or life) of a society is being threatened by a murderer, such as Jeffrey Dahmer or Timothy McVeigh, the state has the moral authority to protect and nurture the innocent lives within that community or society by eliminating the threat to that life. In other words, administering the death penalty to the life-taker, i.e., murderer, in order to preserve the lives of innocent citizens. This is consistent with Scripture which states quite clearly And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death. (Leviticus 24:17-22) and Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die. Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death. (Numbers 35:30-31) This reasoning explains fully why it is perfectly logical and consistent to take a pro-life position on abortion while maintaining a pro-death penalty position for criminals. If
[CTRL] Ann Coulter on the Religious Cult of Liberalism
-Caveat Lector- Ann Coulter () June 15, 2001 DISESTABLISH THE CULT OF LIBERALISM This week the Supreme Court upheld the right of religious groups to participate in the beautiful mosaic of after-school activities. No new territory was broken: The case was almost identical to another case in which the Supreme Court reversed the exact same court years ago. This was massive resistance. Justice Clarence Thomas remarked on the oddity of having to reverse the same court twice, noting that while the appellate courts aren't required to cite all the Supreme Court's precedents, they might want to cite the last time they were reversed on the same facts. At least the 6-3 decision gives us an accurate count of the atheists on the court, probably as accurate as my dream of giving them all polygraph tests someday. (Do you believe in a Higher Being ... no, seriously.) Concerned someone might be reading Leviticus during school hours, Justice David Souter dissented in a hair-splitting exegesis about the precise time classes let out (2:56 p.m.), vs. the time the organizers would enter school property (2:30 p.m.). The New York Times' obligatory hysterical denunciation of the decision revealingly complained: (C)hildren that young are unlikely to discern that the religious message of authority figures who come to the school each day to teach does not carry the school's endorsement. It is simply taken for granted that it's desirable for children to revere authority figures at government schools. Normally those authority figures are teaching the youngsters to put condoms on zucchini or training them in the catechism of recycling. Sending a mixed message about government authority figures might interfere with the state's ability to turn small children into Good Germans inculcated in the liberal religion. It's well past time for liberalism to be declared a religion and banned from public schools. Allowing Christians to be one of many after-school groups induces hysteria not just because liberals hate religion. It's because the public school is their temple. Children must be taught to love Big Brother, welcoming him to take over our schools, our bank accounts, our property, even our toilet bowls. We're told the First Amendment requires a separation of church and state, which, just as an incidental matter, is completely false. The whole point of the Constitution is to separate the federal government from the individual. In keeping with the general theme, the First Amendment provides that Congress cannot establish a religion -- but nor can it stop the states from establishing religions. That's why it says: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Dear Congress: You may be eligible for a free country. You do nothing. The only thing that tempers my annoyance with the canard about states not being allowed to establish religions is imagining the kind of established religion we'd have in New York. We'd be doing daily devotionals to Saint Hillary. Still, it is a fact that when the First Amendment was ratified, several states had established religions. Fortunately for the burgeoning minority religions in those states, the established religions were things like Episcopalianism and Congregationalism rather than Liberalism. It's hard to imagine now, but before the official government religion was liberalism -- devoted to class warfare, ethnic hatred and intolerance -- Americans were kind to one another. They managed to get along even without ACLU lawsuits. Thus, when there were enough practitioners of other faiths in a state to be bothered by the established religion, the majority just disestablished themselves. Back to the New Country: Two malcontents at the Virginia Military Institute recently sued to ban VMI's tradition of saying a non-denominational prayer at mealtime. The cadets are not required to recite the prayer or even bow their heads. Merely having to stand while listening to an invocation of God is apparently very upsetting for them. (I'd hate to see these guys under fire.) A typical rendition of the VMI dinner prayer goes like this: Almighty God, we give our thanks for VMI, for its reputation, spirit and ideals. Let your favor continue toward our school and your grace be abundantly supplied to the Corps. Now, O God, we receive this food and share this meal together with thanksgiving. It doesn't get any more sectarian than that. How about: Designer of the Universe (if you're out there) ... Religious people keep cheerfully going back and trying to formulate some prayer that won't make liberals angry. But the problem won't go away. No prayer that assumes a belief in a Higher Being will ever be acceptable. God has no part in the religion of sex education, environmentalism, feminism, Marxism and loving Big Brother. In a totally unsurprising development, liberals finally suspended their opposition to the death penalty in the case of Timothy McVeigh. He was the
[CTRL] FC: NY state won't prosecute high schoolers over sex site (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- --- Background: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02105.html An anonymized note from one local: I assume that really taking this into court would just embarrass too many rich families, that's why charges were dropped. Luckily, that happens to set a great precedent from our perspective, which is probably the last thing on the minds of those Westchester families: of the girls *and* the boys. The funny thing is Jeanine Pirro. She's our DA, but her husband was convicted this year for financial impropriety. Pretty ironic. It'll be interesting to see if she gets re-elected. --- Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 01:40:15 -0400 From: Bonnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NY Journal-News: No case against teens for Web site No case against teens for Web site JONATHAN BANDLER THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original publication: June 14, 2001) NEW CASTLE Two Chappaqua high school seniors who were arrested for engineering a Web site detailing sexual exploits of some female classmates will not face criminal charges, Westchester District Attorney Jeanine Pirro said yesterday. ... Pirro said although some of the material on the Web site was offensive and abhorrent, the content did not rise to the level of criminal conduct. ... Full story (usually kept online for one month) at http://www.nyjournalnews.com/westchester/061401/14standdown/ -- forwarded by Bonnie - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe, visit http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: JESSE JACKSON, JR., The Execution of Timothy McVeigh
t r u t h o u t | 6.15 JESSE JACKSON, JR. on the Federal Execution of Timothy McVeigh : The judicial system itself was also on trial. http://www.truthout.com/0334.Jesse.Jr.McVeigh.htm PELOSI-GEPHARDT, GOP Blocks Pelosi Amendment To Provide Relief From Energy Prices : With this vote, the House Republicans supported the energy suppliers who withheld power, drove up prices, and gouged consumers. http://www.truthout.com/0335.Pelosi.Gephardt.htm WELLSTONE Calls For Action On Rx Drugs for Seniors : Families USA Study Shows Record High Costs Of Prescription Drugs http://www.truthout.com/0336.Wellstone.Rx.htm ZOGBY Poll : More Americans Would Rather See Someone Else as President - http://www.truthout.com/0337.Zogby.6.12.htm more -- http://www.truthout.com --- t r u t h o u t, is a non commercial educational publication. You may read and quote freely. To remove your name from this list just reply to this message with the word remove as the subject. *TIP: If you have multiple accounts make sure we know which one(s) to remove. ===
[CTRL] Fwd: [news] What Business in Guatemala?
consortiumnews.com - http://www.consortiumnews.com --- ListBot Sponsor -- Get a low APR NextCard Visa in 30 seconds! 1. Fill in the brief application 2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds 3. Get rates as low as 2.99% Intro or 9.99% Ongoing APR and no annual fee! Apply NOW! http://www.bcentral.com/listbot/NextCard -- In trying to build up the image of George W. Bush as a seasoned world traveler, his aides have disclosed that the president made a business trip to Guatemala sometime in the past. The aides offered no details, listing Guatemala simply as one of the handful of countries Bush had visited prior to becoming president. The aides described the purpose of the trip as business. Though it's not clear how significant this business trip was, Guatemala has been the site of some of the world's worst human rights abuses over the past half century, with some 200,000 people killed. In the 1980s, the Reagan-Bush administration defended Guatemala's right-wing military government as it conducted what has been called a genocide against Mayan Indians living in the highlands. For more on the Bush-Guatemala mystery, go to Consortiumnews.com at http://www.consortiumnews.com __ To unsubscribe, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CTRL] Ann Coulter on the Religious Cult of Liberalism
-Caveat Lector- Do you really believe this? Because if this is a true viewpoint of persons, boy are they buy a Brooklyn Bridge propaganda control line. Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ann Coulter on the Religious Cult of Liberalism
-Caveat Lector- No one who actually thinks for him/herself could ever take Ann Coulter seriously. She wrote one of many one-sided books trashing the Clintons and they are all the same. There are a few defending the Clintons which are just as bad on the other side. The only book I have read that even attempts to give a balanced view is Jeffrey Toobin's A Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy. Coulter doesn't seem to realize she is nothing but a trophy conservative taken off the shelf to dazzle strangers when it is convenient. Those backing her biased blathering probably snicker that she's a dumb blonde behind her back. Subject: Re: [CTRL] Ann Coulter on the Religious Cult of Liberalism -Caveat Lector- Do you really believe this? Because if this is a true viewpoint of persons, boy are they buy a Brooklyn Bridge propaganda control line. Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Fwd: Yahoo! Groups : marxist Messages :Message 893 of 4473
-Caveat Lector-
If we are known by our enemies, surely I must protest for I
deserve better than our little self-avowed Marxist here.
Name-calling and slinging obscenities at me are the acts of
the sniveling coward that these people are who are parasites
on a system they profess to despise and abhor. They point
fingers and ridicule the very system and people that allow
them their weirdness.
Now Steve calls me the Church Lady (whom I think is a riot)
but he cannot know my religion, if in fact I have one, nor to
what denomination I belong and if I do in fact attend a church
or participate in organized religion. Statists cannot
comprehend individuals, only groups, and the stereotyping is
typical for each person must belong to groups and believe as
those groups believe. It is in the context of said group that
they are recognized by their god, the State or Big Brother.
Brother NEVER sees individuals, only these groups and so each
one must chose their groups and subscribe blindly and totally
to whatever that group represents in order for Big Brother to
recognize them. Therefore, I must be thus-and-so as some such
group, whether I am or not. It does require a certain mindset
to arrive at these stereotypical concept of others.
As for the lurking and spying on militia, I will try to stop
laughing long enough to type for surely they are not so
absolutely goofy as to think they can get the inside scoop on
a militia off of an Internet email list open to the public!
Those guys were running PsychOps before these twits were out
of diapers but then I doubt some of them are yet, based on
their cry-baby behavior. They will never lay eyes on a true
militia email list for that would be the sort of thing
established by personal contact and not strangers lurking on
the 'Net. They would never pass the 'smell test.' Let the
little boys play James Bond for that is the extent of their
miserable lives, lurking in the shadows of people with real
lives.
But this certainly does explain the rabid behavior of certain
individuals. Now he is concerned with my sexuality and that I
might desire to be a man or might be one for what difference
does that make? Why does my gender matter to the issue at
hand? This is an extremely sexist attack and Karl would NOT
approve. Such gender oppression!! Tsk, tsk!! Any ad hominem
attack will do in the total absence of logic and in total
intolerance of others who do not buy this bill of goods. I am
thankful that when I went through adolescence I had the good
sense and decency to respect the rights of others and was not
so insecure that I had to constantly attack any and everybody
who did not think as I did. This need to attack and silence
others IS the New World Order for it is already alive and well
among us, going about the job of of attempting to
psychologically 'disarm' those resisting their agenda.
~Amelia~
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From: Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 8:24 PM
Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Yahoo! Groups : marxist Messages :Message
893 of 4473
Hey Amelia - Steve and Mike Pugliese are lurkers?
Maybe this explains your letters as it may explain many I have
gotten as
of late.
How stupid they are.
Saba
This is a Marxist List - they got to be kidding? ADL sounds
more like
it. Pull it up for there are there are shadows lurking on
CTRL
watching for the loonies?
Hey Steve - UFO Nutz not welcomed?
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Yahoo! Groups : marxist Messages :Message 893 of
-Caveat Lector- its like the marxists are living in the 'real'world of practical 'revolution' where in their world view some funny aircraft lights fly overhead that middle class loons call aliens and its all just some middle class game etc etc classic cardboard marxism - these guys want to come to scotland and work hard here - there isn't a middle class anymore - just a big bunch of poor people and some very rich dudes - but if the marxists want to get real - and really look into the loony alien posts - they will see that they are the ones who are off the pace - and had better get real real soon. andrew hennessey [more 'of the people' than they are because I'm sane] most of the abductees I interview are ordinary poor people The Marxists will NEVER have a successful revolution unless they can accept that Telepathic Shapechanging Reptoids probably run and have infiltrated their organisation at every level - thats why the status quo NEVER changes. - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Yahoo! Groups : marxist Messages :Message 893 of 4473 -Caveat Lector- I read the message. Wow, only 4 requests for online donations! What an altruistic bunch! snort __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Ann Coulter on the Religious Cult of Liberalism
-Caveat Lector- Kris, I take it your question is addressed to me as this is my post although another posted the same article under a different header. Ann Coulter is known for her rather sarcastic wit but there is an element of truth in her contention that it is ridiculous to be so concerned with religion in after-school activities when all day long, children attending govt schools are being indoctrinated in the liberal point of view and having their values rearranged in other ways. I know this to be true for I have seen it happen with my own children. So in that context, I do believe this. Perhaps you do not appreciate Ms. Coulter's style of writing for it is designed to make people think and I do think some people have not considered the fact that much that is taught in schools that is social engineering at its worst. I am not the only one who thinks this for that is why we have such a rise in home schooling now. She does not literally mean liberalism is a religion but that it is taught in public schools (yes, I KNOW this to be true) yet they are the ones who object to any OTHER ideologies being presented. Do you believe there are no ideologies presented in the classrooms and that education if strictly academic and free from political and social orientation? That is all she is saying. Are we no longer about different aspects of the political dialectic? ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Ann Coulter on the Religious Cult of Liberalism -Caveat Lector- Do you really believe this? Because if this is a true viewpoint of persons, boy are they buy a Brooklyn Bridge propaganda control line. Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/15/01 12:24:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pot Shrinks Tumors And does wonders for short term memory. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Eric Reeves, Sudan, Displacement and Double Standards
-Caveat Lector- The European-Sudanese Public Affairs Council 1 Northumberland Avenue London WC2N 5BW England Tel:020 7872 5434 Fax:020 7753 2848 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date of Publication: June 2001 ERIC REEVES, SUDAN, DISPLACEMENT AND DOUBLE STANDARDS Eric Reeves, an English teacher at Smith College in Massachusetts, has since 1999 set himself up as a long-distance commentator on events within the Sudanese oil fields, stating that he was opposed to the Sudanese oil project and those foreign oil companies involved within it. Dr Reeves' credibility as a commentator and researcher has already been extensively questioned in The Return of the 'Ugly American': Eric Reeves and Sudan.(1) Supposedly at the heart of his concern has been the alleged displacement of civilians from areas in or around the Sudanese oil fields. Amongst other things Dr Reeves has claimed that the Sudanese government has displaced populations around the oil fields, orchestrating a ferocious scorched-earth policy in the area of the oil fields and pipelines. (2) He stated, for example, in July 1999, that [h]uge swaths of land around the oil fields and pipelines are presently cleared of all human life and sustenance. (3) While these claims have been discredited and contradicted by detailed satellite analysis of the areas in question, which showed migration to and not movement from the oil fields, and by comments made by groups such as the World Food Programme (4), the extent of Reeves' double standards with regard to allegations of civilian displacement within Sudan is now also all too clear Despite his stated concern about displaced civilians, Reeves has ignored the 60,000 civilians displaced by the Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA) rebel offensive in Bahr al-Ghazal in May-June 2001. This offensive has resulted in the massive displacement of southern Sudanese civilians. On 8 June, the International Committee of the Red Cross stated that the offensive had led to the displacement of at least 20,000 civilians. The Sudanese Catholic Information Office reported that most activities within the region had been halted by the offensive: locations from Tonj northwards remain no go areas forcing both church and humanitarian agencies to suspend their flights to the region. (5) By 11 June, the United Nations estimated that 30,000 civilians had been displaced within Bahr al-Ghazal. (6) Two days later, the Roman Catholic Bishop of Rumbek, Bishop Mazzolari, reported that just under 60,000 civilians had been displaced by the offensive, and that these civilians were in desperate need of humanitarian assistance.(7) This offensive followed the announcement that the United States was to provide the Sudanese rebels with thirteen million dollars worth of logistical assistance.(8) What is also evident is that this is not the first time that Dr Reeves has studiously ignored irrefutable evidence of the forced displacement of civilians by the SPLA rebel movement. In March 2001, the Catholic Comboni missionaries stated that SPLA forces displaced 15,000 civilians when they attacked and destroyed the town of Nyal in westerner Upper Nile in late February. (9) In August 2000 Reuters also reported that: An influx of displaced people into Bentiu, the capital of Unity state in war-torn southern Sudan, has greatly strained humanitarian and food aid in the town...World Food Programme (WFP) official Makena Walker told Reuters about 20,000 people displaced by recent fighting had reached Bentiu in the last three weeks. That is to say the refugees were fleeing into Government-controlled areas. Reuters also stated that Sulaf al-Din Salih, a government humanitarian aid commissioner, had said that displaced people were arriving in Bentiu at a rate of 150 to 200 per day, with the total number now running at 40,000. (10) In July 2000, as yet another example of civilian displacement, Bishop Mazzolari of Rumbek stated that thousands of civilians were fleeing the southern town of Wau. Bishop Mazzolari said that this massive human exodus was triggered by fears of a possible rebel attack. (11) All these deliberate displacements of civilians were ignored by Dr Reeves, committed as he seemingly is to presenting one-sided and distorted images of events within Sudan. Dr Reeves has also claimed that Sudanese oil revenues were fuelling the civil war. While this claim has not been supported by any credible evidence, in June 2001 the United States publicly announced that it had given 13 million dollars to the Sudanese rebels. On this too Reeves is silent. What price credibility? Notes 1 'The Return of the Ugly American: Eric Reeves and Sudan', European-Sudanese Public Affairs Council, London, November 2000. 2 'Investors Fuel Humanitarian Crisis in Sudan', 'The Catholic New Times', Toronto, 31 October 1999. 3 Eric Reeves, 'Silence on Sudan', 'The Chicago Tribune', 29 July 1999. 4 See, for example, 'Interview - Sudan Says Oil Drilling
[CTRL] Jamaat-e-Islami exhorts Ummah to support Palestinians (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Jamaat-e-Islami exhorts Ummah to support Palestinians Business Recorder June 15, 2001 http://www.brecorder.com/story/16/200106/20010615/200106150308.shtml?Political~Parties~~Stances LAHORE : The central Shoora of the Jamaat-e-Islami, Pakistan has exhorted Muslim rulers as well as the entire Ummah to lend all possible support to the Palestinian brethren against the Israelis and for the defence of the Masjid Al-Aqsa. The Jamaat Shoora, in a resolution, adopted here on Thursday strongly condemned the blatant use of brute force by Israel to crush the Palestinians and slated the silence of the so-called civilised world on the genocide of the Palestinians. It urged every conscientious human being to raise a voice against this crime. Citing recent instances of brutal killings of minor children by Israelis the JI central body noted that even some Israeli citizens had condemned such events. It pointed out that according to a survey carried out by a Zionist institute, 50 percent of Jews did not even want to live in Palestine and that 65 percent of Jewish tourist projects had been wound up during the last nine months. About 2,500 Israeli soldiers had proceeded on long leave or had disappeared to avoid fighting the Palestinians while 600 others had declined to join the operation against intifada, it added. The JI Shoora appealed to the Palestinian organisations to join forces under a common banner to lead their people to freedom. It also called upon Washington to abandon its patronage of Israel in view of the latter's crimes.-APP A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] MOONIES RULE THE WORLD ??
-Caveat Lector- Rev.moon who claims to be the messiah says Satan surrendered in 1999,and all the angels are being restored. He says all living people have been pre-blessed or married and that 16 billion couples in the spirit world have been married,im still waiting to get my wife. http://www.tongil.or.kr/webtv/ram/201B039901A.ram Here is a video of the moonies mass wedding at the United Nations this year. He says he will have world power by 2004,and that a Theocracy will run our lives,thats Church and State combined,and going by his recent mass wedding at the UN it looks like this will happen. Speeches on moonies websites. http://www.tparents.org/ http://www.unification.net/ http://familyfed.org A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74
-Caveat Lector- On 15 Jun 2001, at 11:27, Bill Howard wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/15/01 12:24:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pot Shrinks Tumors And does wonders for short term memory. So.I guess you would choose to keep your brain tumor rather than have it cured by pot with a little stm impairment. -- Best Wishes Nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. ~~ Albert Einstein A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Albert Einstein
-Caveat Lector- Nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. ~~ Albert Einstein ironically - the same applies to Alberts un-Unified Theory of Relativity :) we've had not so superstrings and other paradox ridden nonsense - its a real shame that Telas theory of Environmental Energy was not allowed to reach the public domain - there are no paradoxes in that. andrew hennessey A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ann Coulter on the Religious Cult of Liberalism
-Caveat Lector- Well, Dale, how is that different than liberal commentators? She is supposed to be biased as she is a conservative commentator, not a news reporter or journalist. She does not present herself as being neutral. So you do not believe there are politics of the liberal persuasion being taught in schools? Been there lately? But what really concerns me is that although two different posters posted this same article, Coulter is far from the extreme right as in Falwell and The Christian Coalition. What would happen if a post from that element appeared? Are conservative points of view not to be presented, even as this was done, without comment or endorsement? Did I misread the Mission Statement of this list? I thought different sides of the political dialectic were SUPPOSED to be presented for the purpose of acting it out. Now it seems to me that this is not true judging from the reaction to this article, which should have been innocuous in and of itself. As I said, I have never seen Coulter deemed extreme. So is one side presenting here for only the convenience of the opposite (liberal) side to bash and validate themselves? That would not be very nice, would it? We have posts from the extreme side of the left in the form of gays, eco-extremists, wiccans, pagans, anarchists but not from Falwell nor Christian Coalition, etc. yet even moderate conservative views draw fire. What is wrong with this picture, in light of the mission statement? ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Dale Stonehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Ann Coulter on the Religious Cult of Liberalism -Caveat Lector- No one who actually thinks for him/herself could ever take Ann Coulter seriously. She wrote one of many one-sided books trashing the Clintons and they are all the same. There are a few defending the Clintons which are just as bad on the other side. The only book I have read that even attempts to give a balanced view is Jeffrey Toobin's A Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy. Coulter doesn't seem to realize she is nothing but a trophy conservative taken off the shelf to dazzle strangers when it is convenient. Those backing her biased blathering probably snicker that she's a dumb blonde behind her back. Subject: Re: [CTRL] Ann Coulter on the Religious Cult of Liberalism -Caveat Lector- Do you really believe this? Because if this is a true viewpoint of persons, boy are they buy a Brooklyn Bridge propaganda control line. Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/15/01 9:27:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So.I guess you would choose to keep your brain tumor rather than have it cured by pot with a little stm impairment. No, I choose to use conventional medical treatment for tumors, not some half baked ideas. Besides, even if it did shrink tumors I would get the munchies and become fat and unhealthy. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ann Coulter on the Religious Cult of Liberalism
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Amelia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Ann Coulter on the Religious Cult of Liberalism Well, Dale, how is that different than liberal commentators? She is supposed to be biased as she is a conservative commentator, not a news reporter or journalist. She does not present herself as being neutral. That's correct, they are all the same and equally irritating. So you do not believe there are politics of the liberal persuasion being taught in schools? Been there lately? I have no disagreement with Ms. Coulter on that. But it doesn't matter to me what they are teaching; the problem is they teach people what to think instead of how to think and as a result people are unable to see there are two sides to everything. But what really concerns me is that although two different posters posted this same article, Coulter is far from the extreme right as in Falwell and The Christian Coalition. What would happen if a post from that element appeared? Are conservative points of view not to be presented, even as this was done, without comment or endorsement? Some of us dislike the conservative AND liberal view but to either side that is heresy. Politics is a hissy-fight over who gets to spend other peoples' money, and how much to skim off the top. A necessary evil that is very necessary so we must tolerate the imperfections. Now it seems to me that this is not true judging from the reaction to this article, which should have been innocuous in and of itself. You are correct; I have a problem with Ms. Coulter and that is a matter of personal taste. She rubs me the wrong way. We have posts from the extreme side of the left in the form of gays, eco-extremists, wiccans, pagans, anarchists but not from Falwell nor Christian Coalition, etc. yet even moderate conservative views draw fire. Those are all labels that define people much too narrowly for my preferences. I try to keep politics and religion out of my thinking because they just clutter things up. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Yahoo! Groups : marxist Messages :Message 893 of
-Caveat Lector- Heh, been reading your David Icke, eh? http://www.publiceye.org/Icke/Table%20of%20Contents.htm Michael Pugliese ak/a Illuminati ;-) - Original Message - From: Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 8:12 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: Yahoo! Groups : marxist Messages :Message 893 of -Caveat Lector- its like the marxists are living in the 'real'world of practical 'revolution' where in their world view some funny aircraft lights fly overhead that middle class loons call aliens and its all just some middle class game etc etc classic cardboard marxism - these guys want to come to scotland and work hard here - there isn't a middle class anymore - just a big bunch of poor people and some very rich dudes - but if the marxists want to get real - and really look into the loony alien posts - they will see that they are the ones who are off the pace - and had better get real real soon. andrew hennessey [more 'of the people' than they are because I'm sane] most of the abductees I interview are ordinary poor people The Marxists will NEVER have a successful revolution unless they can accept that Telepathic Shapechanging Reptoids probably run and have infiltrated their organisation at every level - thats why the status quo NEVER changes. - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Yahoo! Groups : marxist Messages :Message 893 of 4473 -Caveat Lector- I read the message. Wow, only 4 requests for online donations! What an altruistic bunch! snort __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74
-Caveat Lector- On 15 Jun 2001, at 13:49, Bill Howard wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/15/01 9:27:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So.I guess you would choose to keep your brain tumor rather than have it cured by pot with a little stm impairment. No, I choose to use conventional medical treatment for tumors, not some half baked ideas. How does a treatment become conventional medical treatment? It frequently starts with research on mice or rats. When this treatment showed promise on mice, the good ole US of A government pulled the plug on the research. The only half baked idea I see is that scientists should have to accept government dictates on what they study. Besides, even if it did shrink tumors I would get the munchies and become fat and unhealthy. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Best Wishes The truth is, if you are the President's wife and have a drug problem you get a drug-rehab clinic named after you. If you are poor, black, or Hispanic and you have a drug problem, you will languish in jail for years. ~~Bill Masters, Liberty, November, 2000 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ann Coulter on the Religious Cult of Liberalism
-Caveat Lector- We have posts from the extreme side of the left in the form of gays, eco-extremists, wiccans, pagans, anarchists Gays, eco-extremists, wiccans, pagans, anarchists are not the extreme side of the left. Many among them aren't leftists at all, not by any stretch of the imagination. Some gays, some wiccans, and some pagans are leftists. Some gays and some pagans are rightists. Most wiccans are apolitical. No wiccans are rightists. Anarchists are neither leftists nor rightists. Eco-extremism was founded by Nazis. Some contemporary eco-extremists are leftists, some are rightists and some are anarchists. Making it even more complicated is that the very definition of extreme is a relative one. The same position can be easily seen as extreme by one faction and as moderate by another faction. Get your facts straight. Better still, abandon the paradigm. Left/right is a false dichotomy. The spectrum is insufficient in scope to serve as a valid metaphor for the political landscape. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/15/01 11:10:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How does a treatment become conventional medical treatment? It frequently starts with research on mice or rats. Or maybe long haired, brain fried dopers? Its too risky to use them for organ donors or blood donors. Way too many health problems. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74
-Caveat Lector- On 15 Jun 01, at 15:48, Bill Howard wrote: Or maybe long haired, brain fried dopers? Its too risky to use them for organ donors or blood donors. Way too many health problems. This is a good example of someone who cannot see through his ideology. This kind of thinking is an order of magnitude more destructive than *any* drug! Steve ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The OKC Bombing Chronology You're NOT Supposed To Know
-Caveat Lector- The OKC Bombing Chronology You're NOT Supposed To Know From Brasscheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6-14-1 Sgt. McVeigh was an outstanding soldier. He did what he was told, anticipated what had to be done (and) took pride in his work, - Capt. Jesus Angel Rodriguez, McVeigh's commanding officer during the Gulf War, testifying at his sentencing hearing It's called a Reichstag Fire The OKC Chronology you're not supposed to know 1. A second bomb found inside the building SUSANNE SEALY, Correspondent: Yes, LEA [sp], I can. The Oklahoma City police and the FBI have confirmed there is another bomb in the Federal Building. It's in the east side of the building. They've moved everybody back several blocks. CNN SHOW: NEWS 11:27 am ET - LIVE April 19, 1995 Transcript # 920-19 2. Forget the people, get those papers OKLAHOMA CITY -- Hours after a bomb ripped apart the federal building, some rescue workers were stopped from searching for survivors while federal officials removed boxes of documents. You'd think they would have let their evidence and files sit at least until the last survivor was pulled out, one angry rescue worker told The News. The worker and a firefighter said that 10 to 12 hours after the 9 a.m. blast April 19, federal officials began limiting the number of rescue workers in the building to a dozen, confining them largely to the lower right side of the battered structure. Source: New York Daily News 3. FBI quietly drops pursuit of John Doe No. 2 Denver, Colo. -- An internal FBI memo indicates FBI agents suspended their search for the elusive Oklahoma City bomb suspect John Doe No. 2 in the critical weeks soon after the April 1995 blast, belying assurances by federal officials at the time that the search was continuing. The memo, the existence of which is publicly disclosed for the first time here, undercuts the government contention that federal agents have done everything they can to find the mystery suspect... In the memo, San Francisco-based FBI agent Thomas Ravenelle writes that he's discontinuing efforts to investigate a lead relating to attempts to find and identify John Doe No. 2 in view of the fact that the Oklahoma City Command Post has directed all offices to hold (John Doe No. 2) leads in abeyance. Source: 1997 Digital City Denver 4. McVeigh's first confession faked by newspaper The document containing a purported confession by alleged Oklahoma City bomber Timothy J. McVeigh, published by the Dallas Morning News, was fabricated by an investigator for the defense team, a friend of the investigator said yesterday. The Washington Post 03/05/97 By Lois Romano and Tom Kenworthy, Washington Post Staff Writers 5. DOJ report calls FBI's OJC bomb blast conclusions: incomplete... inappropriate... scientifically insupportable Williams' report contains several serious flaws. His opinion as to the VOD of the main charge was unjustifiable; his statement of the VOD of ANFO was incomplete; his categorical identification of the main charge as ANFO was inappropriate; his estimate of the weight of the main charge was too specific and based in part on improper
[CTRL] Levy's Parents Suspicious Of Condit
Funny, I think the parents might be hiding something...time will tell. Bill. http://capitolhillblue.com/Article.asp?ID=1815 Missing intern's parents think Condit is hiding something Friday, June 15, 2001 By DAVID WHITNEY The parents of missing intern Chandra Levy said Thursday that they suspect Rep. Gary Condit knows more than he has said about her disappearance, and they urged him to come forward with the information. In an interview with MSNBC, Susan and Robert Levy said that more information will be coming out about the relationship of their daughter to the Ceres Democrat. They also said that they think it's possible Condit knows where their daughter is. Later, however, Susan Levy said she may have come off as accusatory when she didn't mean to. "I haven't accused the congressman of anything," she said. "Everybody is thinking I'm making accusations, but I haven't." Mike Lynch, the congressman's press aide, said there is nothing more Condit could say because he's told police all he knows. He also said that the Levys' comments are the understandable feelings of distraught parents. "He's told the police everything about this," Lynch said of Condit. "Our hearts and prayers go out to the Levys. They are going through an experience you can't even imagine. It is the worst conceivable circumstance that could happen to anybody." Late Thursday afternoon, the Metropolitan Washington Police Department repeated what has become a daily litany: They had no new information on Chandra's disappearance to report. The case was being treated as a missing person's case, said Officer Tony O'Leary. "There is no evidence it should be a criminal case," he said. Chandra Levy, 24, who had been working as an intern at the Federal Bureau of Prisons, was last seen April 30 at a Washington sports club. The following day, she sent an e-mail to her parents in Modesto telling them about her plans to return to California where she was about to be awarded a graduate degree at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles. She has not been heard from since. Condit, a 53-year-old seven-term congressman, has been drawn into the case because Chandra Levy had struck up a relationship with him after visiting his office. The nature of that relationship hasn't been firmly established, although Condit has repeatedly insisted it was not romantic. In the interview with MSNBC, however, Sandra Levy said she had had a conversation with her daughter about Condit, but she declined to give any details other than to say "more information will be coming." The Washington Post has reported that Chandra Levy had been to Condit's apartment in Washington's Adams Morgan neighborhood, and stayed overnight. Condit has strenuously denied that, and demanded a retraction from the newspaper, which it has refused to do. About the time of her disappearance, Condit's wife, Carolyn, was staying with the congressman in the unit, Lynch said Thursday. As far as he knows, the two women never met, Lynch said. Lynch said Mrs. Condit arrived in Washington April 28 in order to attend a Congressional Wives Club luncheon with First Lady Laura Bush, and she flew back to California on May 3. Condit's lawyer this week has lashed out at what he describes as a "media circus" in the coverage of his linkage to Levy's disappearance.
[CTRL] Elliott Abrams- It's Back!
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20010702s=corn COMMENT | July 2, 2001 Elliott Abrams: It's Back! by DAVID CORN "How would you feel if your wife and children were brutally raped before being hacked to death by soldiers during a military massacre of 800 civilians, and then two governments tried to cover up the killings?" It's a question that won't be asked of Elliott Abrams at a Senate confirmation hearing--because George W. Bush, according to press reports, may appoint Abrams to a National Security Council staff position that (conveniently!) does not require Senate approval. Moreover, this query is one of a host of rude, but warranted, questions that could be lobbed at Abrams, the Iran/contra player who was an assistant secretary of state during the Reagan years and a shaper of that Administration's controversial--and deadly--policies on Latin America and human rights. His designated spot in the new regime: NSC's senior director for democracy, human rights and international operations. (At press time, the White House and Abrams were neither confirming nor denying his return to government.) Bush the Second has tapped a number of Reagan/Bush alums who were involved in Iran/contra business for plum jobs: Colin Powell, Richard Armitage, Otto Reich and John Negroponte. But Abrams's appointment--should it come to pass--would mark the most generous of rehabilitations. Not only did Abrams plead guilty to two misdemeanor counts of lying to Congress about the Reagan Administration's contra program, he was also one of the fiercest ideological pugilists of the 1980s, a bad-boy diplomat wildly out of sync with Bush's gonna-change-the-tone rhetoric. Abrams, a Democrat turned Republican who married into the cranky Podhoretz neocon clan, billed himself as a "gladiator" for the Reagan Doctrine in Central America--which entailed assisting thuggish regimes and militaries in order to thwart leftist movements and dismissing the human rights violations of Washington's cold war partners. One Abrams specialty was massacre denial. During a Nightline appearance in 1985, he was asked about reports that the US-funded Salvadoran military had slaughtered civilians at two sites the previous summer. Abrams maintained that no such events had occurred. And had the US Embassy and the State Department conducted an investigation? "My memory," he said, "is that we did, but I don't want to swear to it, because I'd have to go back and look at the cables." But there had been no State Department inquiry; Abrams, in his lawyerly fashion, was being disingenuous. Three years earlier, when two American journalists reported that an elite, US-trained military unit had massacred hundreds of villagers in El Mozote, Abrams told Congress that the story was commie propaganda, as he fought for more US aid to El Salvador's military. The massacre, as has since been confirmed, was real. And in 1993 after a UN truth commission, which examined 22,000 atrocities that occurred during the twelve-year civil war in El Salvador, attributed 85 percent of the abuses to the Reagan-assisted right-wing military and its death-squad allies, Abrams declared, "The Administration's record on El Salvador is one of fabulous achievement." Tell that to the survivors of El Mozote. But it wasn't his lies about mass murder that got Abrams into trouble. After a contra resupply plane was shot down in 1986, Abrams, one of the coordinators of Reagan's pro-contra policy (along with the NSC's Oliver North and the CIA's Alan Fiers), appeared several times before Congressional committees and withheld information on the Administration's connection to the secret and private contra-support network. He also hid from Congress the fact that he had flown to London (using the name "Mr. Kenilworth") to solicit a $10 million contribution for the contras from the Sultan of Brunei. At a subsequent closed-door hearing, Democratic Senator Thomas Eagleton blasted Abrams for having misled legislators, noting that Abrams's misrepresentations could lead to "slammer time." Abrams disagreed, saying, "You've heard my testimony." Eagleton cut in: "I've heard it, and I want to puke." On another occasion, Republican Senator Dave Durenberger complained, "I wouldn't trust Elliott any further than I could throw Ollie North." Even after Abrams copped a plea with Independent Counsel Lawrence Walsh, he refused to concede that he'd done anything untoward. Abrams's Foggy Bottom services were not retained by the First Bush, but he did include Abrams in his lame-duck pardons of several Iran/contra wrongdoers. Abrams was as nasty a policy warrior as Washington had seen in decades. He called foes "vipers." He said that lawmakers who blocked contra aid would have "blood on their hands"--while he defended US support for a human-rights-abusing government in Guatemala. When Oliver North was campaigning for the Senate in 1994 and was accused of having ignored contra ties to drug dealers, Abrams backed North and
Re: [CTRL] Elliott Abrams- It's Back!
In a message dated 6/15/01 4:20:34 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Elliott Abrams: It's Back! HURRAAA!!
Re: [CTRL] Ann Coulter on the Religious Cult of Liberalism
From: Nessie We have posts from the extreme side of the left in the form of gays,eco-extremists, wiccans, pagans, anarchists Gays, eco-extremists, wiccans, pagans, anarchists are not the "extremeside of the left." Many among them aren't leftists at all, not by anystretch of the imagination. I second Nessie's statement. Every gay I have ever known has consistently voted the Republican ticket, and most Wiccans and otherflavors of pagans whom I've known have also been conservative, politically, economically, and socially. Some gays, some wiccans, and some pagans are leftists. Some gays andsome pagans are rightists. Most wiccans are apolitical. No wiccans arerightists. Here I will have to disagree. I've knowna few Wiccans who could be classified as 'rightist'... Get your facts straight. Better still, abandon the paradigm. Left/rightis a false dichotomy. The spectrum is insufficient in scope to serve asa valid metaphor for the political landscape. Yes, I found that out back in the days when I was active in antinuke groups...ostensibly a 'leftist' cause, I found I could find the best information from the 'rightist' militias and other conservative groups. I also found that groups labeled 'conservative' routinely treated the women in their organizations with more respect than the groups labeled 'leftist' or 'liberal' treated their female members June Check out the nonstop beachparty at Alternative Kite Summer radio at: http://www.live365.com/stations/250951 _IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[CTRL] How it's done: How to beat the internationalist big business elites.
-Caveat Lector- 6/15/01 The Irish people have spoken. But their elites are elites and don't really represent the people who elected them. They have plans for the masses which are too stupid to know what is good for them. It is for this very reason that so few referenda have been made available to the people of Europe ( and NONE to the citizens of the US,) to decide upon. Every time they felt forced to do so, they either lost, or won by a razor thin margin. Let us see how they try to get around the will of the people. Nurev. = The Irish Times Friday, June 15, 2001 As far as PANA [Peace And Neutrality Alliance] is concerned, the new EU should be one without any military dimension. Treaty of Nice is dead, long live Connolly's vision By Roger Cole The Irish people have spoken. The Treaty of Nice is dead. If the Irish political elite attempt to subvert the will of the Irish people expressed through a secret ballot, there will be a successful legal challenge to prevent them from doing so. The rest of the political elite in the European Union also have no right to subvert the sovereign will of the Irish people. Unless all the member-states, all of which are legal equals, accept the treaty it automatically falls. Their contempt for the Irish people clearly showed in their reaction to our vote against the treaty. It showed on the face of the Swedish Minister for Foreign Affairs, who seemed to express a virtually racist sense of superiority in her rejection of our decision. Every Irish person knows that she and the rest of the elite did not place the treaty for ratification * before their own people.* ( accents added - Nurev ) The Peace And Neutrality Alliance (PANA) has friends and contacts in Sweden who assure us that, had there been a referendum on the Nice Treaty in that country, it would have been defeated. PANA would not have been surprised that, if there had been referendums in all the other states, many would have voted No. In fact the entire project of the EU elite is to transform the EU from a Common Market which Ireland joined in the 1970s, without virtually any reference to the various peoples of the EU, into a super-state, a world power as the President of the European Commission, Romano Prodi, put it. They show, by refusing to have referendums in their own states, that their contempt is not restricted to the Irish people but extends to their own. It is certain that a cheer of support for the Irish people was heard among the ordinary people in all the member-states. Even the people of the applicant states must welcome our decision. If the European elite can treat the people of Ireland, a small democratic state, with such arrogance, applicant state populations can rest assured that they will suffer the same imperial attitude when they join the EU. And join they should. The Peace And Neutrality Alliance wrote to the ambassadors of all the applicant states at the start of the Nice Treaty referendum campaign informing them that, providing the process of entry was done in a democratic manner, PANA had not only no problem with those countries joining, but would positively welcome them. So, what kind of phoenix can rise from the ashes of the Treaty of Nice? As far as PANA is concerned, the new EU should be one without any military dimension. The new treaty to replace the dead one would have to contain - as an absolute minimum - a protocol, similar to that which the Danes already have, which would exclude Ireland from paying for, or involvement with, the European Rapid Reaction Force. If the new treaty included such a protocol then, as chairman of PANA, I will recommend to the executive that we would not campaign against the new treaty. PANA campaigned against Nice purely on opposition to Irish involvement with the militarisation of the EU through the RRF, so there is a reasonable possibility the recommendation would be accepted. However, there is a large number of groups affiliated to PANA which have a wider agenda, including the National Platform, the Green Party and Sinn Féin. These and other groups would clearly seek further changes. It is clear that many people who voted No did not agree with Ireland losing its commissioner. They voted No because they did not agree with enhanced co-operation. They did not agree with the gradual abolition of our veto. Thus the Government has to take into consideration objections to the treaty other than those raised by PANA. The vote was not a flash in the pan. The number of people voting against the efforts to transform a Common Market into a European super-state, a European empire, has been increasing steadily in successive referendums. We need to defend our independence. Our national independence was fought for by generations of political leaders who did not take brown paper envelopes. We owe it to them to continue to defend our democracy. Finally, on a personal
Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/15/01 1:18:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This kind of thinking is an order of magnitude more destructive than *any* drug! No, Steve. Its all about common sense. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] : DEA moves forward with hemp product prohibition [Fascist Laws]
-Caveat Lector- DEA moves forward with hemp product prohibition -- The Drug Enforcement Administration is moving to implement its proposed rules that would redefine most hemp products as illegal under the Controlled Substances Act. As published in the Federal Register, the new rules make any substance -- including hemp foods, seeds or oil -- that test positive even for trace levels of THC criminally prohibited under federal law. (06/14/01) A HREF=http://www.norml.org/news/archives/01-06-14.shtml; http://www.norml.org/news/archives/01-06-14.shtml/A === Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Gunfire As Riots Shake EU Enlargement Summit
-Caveat Lector- Gunfire As Riots Shake EU Enlargement Summit http://www.iwon.com/home/news/news_article/0,11746,79306|top|06-15-2001::18:07|reuters,00.html June 15, 2001 By Paul Taylor GOTHENBURG, Sweden (Reuters) - Anarchist riots raged around a European Union summit on Friday, overwhelming Swedish police and forcing EU leaders to abandon their hotels and drop a planned gala dinner. At least two people were shot and wounded and more than 50 people were treated for injuries, hospital spokesman said. Police said an officer had opened fire in self-defense, injuring one demonstrator. Casualty reports were confused. As fighting continued late into the night, police broadcast appeals to local residents in Sweden's second city to stay home. At a late-night news conference, Justice Minister Thomas Bodstrom denied police had lost control but said the violence by hundreds of anarchists was the most difficult challenge Sweden's security forces had ever faced. Many of the rioters came from other countries with the intention of disrupting the summit, he said. Barricaded in a heavily guarded conference center, the 15 EU leaders condemned the anti-capitalist riots, which have dogged international gatherings since the 1999 World Trade Organization conference in Seattle. They agreed that the process of enlarging the EU into eastern Europe must go ahead despite Ireland's shock rejection of the Nice Treaty on EU reform last week. Police said they made several hundred arrests, including 110 suspected militants who docked on a ferry from Denmark and were immediately detained. Plumes of smoke rose over the fashionable Kungsports Avenyn as masked anarchists methodically vandalized shop windows, piled tables and chairs from sidewalk cafes into makeshift barricades and set them ablaze. Some stores were looted. Protesters hurled paving-stones and firecrackers at police, who responded with baton charges. Mounted police were dragged from their horses and at least nine policemen were injured. FIGHTING ESCALATED The fighting was far worse than clashes on Thursday in which 455 people were detained while President Bush was meeting the EU leaders. Bush flew to Poland on Friday morning. The violence forced the Swedish hosts to switch Friday's summit dinner on security grounds from Gothenburg's botanical gardens to the fortress-like congress center, ringed by a six-foot high double steel fence and freight containers. Five summit delegations were forced to move out of a central hotel because police said they could not guarantee their safety. The mayhem overshadowed the day's EU business, which centered on the bloc's ambitious plans to admit up to 12 ex-communist and Mediterranean countries over the next few years. There is a consensus...to send a signal to the applicant countries that we want to go ahead with the enlargement process, Swedish Prime Minister Goran Persson said after chairing the first day of the summit. Despite the Irish vote, there will be a signal that the enlargement process is irreversible, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder told reporters. Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern told the leaders his country needed an extended period of reflection after last week's stunning 54-46 percent defeat of the treaty negotiated in December to reform EU institutions to cope with new members. He stressed that Ireland's no should not be seen as a vote against enlargement. Diplomats said they expected the Irish to vote again, probably next year after a cooling-off period, and some EU statement respecting Ireland's neutrality in the common European foreign and security policy. TIMETABLE FOR ENLARGEMENT? Diplomats said most of the 15 EU states wanted to set a more precise timetable for admitting the first eastern candidates but Germany and France were holding out against fixing dates. Persson said he hoped the leaders would agree on a formula that would satisfy leaders of 12 candidate countries when they meet for lunch on Saturday. Reflecting the majority view, Dutch Prime Minister Wim Kok said: We should declare our will to close the negotiations with the most advanced candidates in 2002 and thereby encourage them to hasten reforms. But diplomats quoted Schroeder as saying that fixing dates would send the wrong signal. A senior EU diplomat said the Germans argued that setting an early target date could make it harder for Poland to qualify in the first group, a key German goal, and leave insufficient time to reform agricultural policy. Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said the leaders agreed that those applicants who had not completed ratification by 2004 could still take part in European Parliament elections that year. Their MEPs would take their seats upon accession. In a rare mood of contrition, some leaders said they regretted that the bloc's Ecofin council had censured Ireland's budget as inflationary earlier this year. Others argued it had been premature to launch a fresh debate on the future of Europe before the treaty
Re: [CTRL] more on loftus' research
-Caveat Lector- Dear list, More on this. all accusations are alleged excerpts from http://users.owt.com/crook/memory/ Although the mall study has been cited to support claims that psychotherapists can implant memories of false autobiographical information of childhood trauma in their patients, the therapeutic implications of the study appear to be limited to a narrowly defined and perhaps even unlikely situation. The mall study results suggest that if a psychotherapist were to devise a plausible false memory of childhood trauma and tell a client, I was given this information by your relative who was present at the time, then the client may accept this false account as fully or partially true. Notably, a similar study (Pezdek, 1995) found that although 3 (15%) of 20 participants recalled a plausible false memory of getting lost in a shopping mall, none of the participants accepted an implausible false memory that they had received a painful enema as a child from their parent. Were Students Informed of Ethical Guidelines Specific to Their Assignment? There is no evidence to indicate that Loftusâ students were informed that deceiving study participants might be problematic. As Coan (1997) reported: I hadnât realized that deceiving participants as a part of psychological research was anything other than business as usual ... I hadnât considered most of their concerns at all, let alone how to address them (p. 275). There is no evidence to indicate that Loftusâ students were informed of ethical guidelines regarding the use of children as research participants. For example, the University of Washingtonâs HSC requires that prior assent must be obtained from all child participants, and a Committee-approved form is provided for this purpose (University of Washington HSC staff, personal communication, June 2, 1997). Because the experiments on Brittany and Chris were conducted by Loftusâ students without a Committee-approved form, they appear to have been conducted in violation of University of Washington HSC requirements. The results of the mall study have been pervasively misrepresented in the media, in scholarly journals, and in courtroom testimony to suggest that therapists can implant false memories of sexual abuse in their clients. Although researchers are not responsible for media inaccuracies regarding their research, they are ethically required to attempt to correct inaccuracies to the extent that this is possible. We are not aware of any efforts by Loftus to correct these inaccuracies, and we welcome any published evidence to the contrary. The ad hominem argument is a logical fallacy in which one attempts to discredit information, opinions, or questions by discrediting the person who is raising the issue (e.g., Halpern, 1996). Loftus (this issue) describes our article (Crook Dean, this issue) as a partisan essay by women like Crook who complain, deliberate[ly] attempt to distort [her] work, and who attack her to personally and publicly create trouble for [her]. She proceeds further to cast doubt on the process that led to the acceptance of [this] manuscript. The ad hominem tone of Loftusâ reply follows her established strategy of response to most writers who disagree with her. Loftus has used the derogatory concept of True Believer (Loftus Ketcham, 1994, p. 31) to characterize those who disagree with her as irrational fanatics and has characterized therapists who use approaches of which she disapproves as executioners (Loftus, Milo, Paddock, 1995). She has compared herself to someone who risked his life to save Jews from the Nazis: âI feel like Oskar Schindler,â Loftus muses, referring to the German financier who rescued doomed Jews from the Nazis (Kahn, 1994, p. 80). I keep thinking of Oskar Schindler circling the lake with thousands of people,â she says without a trace of irony ... (Niemark, 1996, p. 50).1 We suggest that, in comparing herself to Schindler, Loftus leaves little doubt as to how she characterizes those who disagree with her. It is clear that those who question Loftusâ work risk being confronted with attacks on their integrity and credibility. Although we acknowledge that inaccurate and mistaken memories may occur, we must conclude that Loftus and Pickrell's mall study does not support in any manner the notion that false autobiographical memories of abuse in childhood can be implanted by therapists A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of
Re: [CTRL] mistaken false memory positions
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: Smart News <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] mistaken false memory positions Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:26:09 EDT -Caveat Lector- Dear List, Info is below. Sincerely, Neil Brick The following is from "Memory, Trauma Treatment and the Law" by Brown, Scheflin and Hammond, C 1998, W. W. Norton Pub. Chapter 12, "The False Logic of the False Memory Controversy and the Irrational Element in Scientific Research on Memory" p. 383-384 "...In particular, the following positions asserted by extreme false memory proponents are mistaken: 1. All or most therapists working with childhood sexual abuse believe in the tape-recorder theory of memory. 2. Repressed memory does not exist, or, as Ofsche has stated, "repressed memory is the scientific quackery of the twentieth century." (Ofsche, cited in Loftus and Ketchum, 1994, p. 206) 3. There is only one "normal" model for memory, whether traumatic or nontraumatic. 4. Memories of events are stored the way books are stored on library shelves - as an entire unit. === i tend to think of memory storage as stored more by association - kind of like hyperlinking Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fellow Americans,
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! America we are in trouble! - Fri Jun 15 13:45 http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=2940 Fellow Americans, The time has come for us the people of these altered states we call America to take a really good look around. First you must have some way to know if you are really awake, because for most of your life is a reflex and not a true reality. Without a clue as to what is going on the American people, go to work (a conditioned reflex ) to pay the bills of the world and their Masters ( United Nations, US Government ) and live happily and prosper on the 18 to 23 percent left after paying all the required taxes and excise taxes on all utilities, land taxes, Rents, licenses, permits, water, sewage, Personal income, and capital gains. Private school if you wish to have children that can read, unless they can play sports you might save some money there or you could home school your children, not accepted widely, It works the children learn, they are to smart and not likely to be controlled. For the last 5 years the upper 13 percent of the Finalists in the National spelling bee have been home schooled. Sez a lot for your school system don't it. But you can do as you wish with your 18 to 23 percent you can save it after you provide food and shelter for your family and pay that mandatory Car insurance payment. You can be sure that a thankless world makes good use of your money, far better than you could. Right! OK now some of you might be awake, bet it is the ones who drink bottled water (fluoride in water kills your ability to think) they did not tell you that when they dumped it in your water supply, the Russians in the Gulag did not know the water was drugged ether. Fluoride is a main ingredient in the Mind Control drug Prosaic, remember that with the next sip you take. Guess what you still have cavities if you still have teeth, that was the reason they put Fluoride in the water , for your teeth they said but you can't remember that because you brain has rotten. Well not to a point that you can't get by, not yet. Sometimes even an American can catch the system in a act of blatant abuse, such is the case of Randy Weaver a man who did not buy into this circus act he moved his family in to the woods away form the Social Engineers and the programs, back to the basics, God Family self reliance. Randy had some trouble with the law and the FBI came calling. Bullets took the life of a an unarmed Nursing mother and a child, the shooter, the Motherless (just doing my job NAZI) FBI Sniper Lon Horiuchi may have felt threatened by the act of humanity that was in plain view. He Murdered, he abused a woman and killed a child so where are all the woman's rights people she was nursing. Where are all the screams of save the children! Why is this man still free? This might be an idea perhaps one of those game companies Like Atari, sony, or another might develop a game one of those socially accepted ultra violent games that program our children to school shootings might come up with a new game called HUNTING LON HORIUCHI A really mad guy chases the murderer of his wife and family all around the country, killing all the judges and prosecutors who did not think Lon should be brought to trial or that is was unimportant. The kids will love in and will be conditioned in time to an act of true Justice. One day a child conditioned by the game, in a socially accepted dazed state, induced by doctor prescribed Ritilan, Zoloft, or prosaic with little or no real grasp on reality might walk up behind the baby killing murdering scumbag and blow his head off with a politically incorrect handgun. Now that is justice there is none in court. America we are in trouble Those who Judge shall be judged! God save the Republic Thomas C. Maliha Tom Mali - [EMAIL PROTECTED] *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis
[CTRL] help
-Caveat Lector- tried unsubbing for the duration of my vacation but of course msn's tag at the end of my email creates a text that is unreadable by l-soft...gotta love microsoft...can someone manually do that for me? thanks in advance... Original Message Follows From: "L-Soft list server at America Online (1.8d)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "adam kowalczyk Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Output of your job "girthfirst" Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:57:12 -0400 signoff ctrl Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Invalid option - "GET". The valid options are GLobal, LOCal and NETWIDE (minimum abbreviations shown in upper case). Summary of resource utilization --- CPU time: 0.000 sec Overhead CPU: 0.000 sec CPU model: 9000/889 Job origin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] At Least Biotech Terrorists Are Consistent ... They're Always Wrong (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: Yardbird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] At Least Biotech Terrorists Are Consistent ... They're Always Wrong (fwd) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:05:16 -0300 -Caveat Lector- Junkscience.com - www.junkscience.com New from JunkScience.com, http://www.junkscience.com At Least the Biotech Terrorists Are Consistent ... They're Always Wrong By Steven Milloy, Fox News June 14, 2001 Oops, they did it again. Biotechnology terrorists started another scare that didn't pan out. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that no evidence could be found that Starlink corn is causing allergic reactions in people. you have much faith in uncle sam...this speaks for itself... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DEA moves forward with hemp product prohibition [Fascist Laws]
-Caveat Lector- soft americans...they will never revolt... save the trees eat the rich girthfirst Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Russia's Navy Showing Signs of Strength - Thanks to Comrade Clinton!
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Russia's Navy Showing Signs of Strength - Perhaps Due to Help from U.S. Secrets 14 June 2001 Analysis The Russian navy recently began trials of a third-generation Akula II-class nuclear-powered attack submarine, the Gepard, in the White Sea. Moscow has also deployed a Delta III nuclear missile submarine in the Pacific Ocean. Both vessels surprised Western intelligence. Russia is signaling renewed will to emerge as an important naval power. Successive Russian governments left the navy to rot in port. Now President Vladimir Putin's government is directing scant resources into construction and finds shipbuilding boosted by orders from abroad. Russia's ship program also appears to be aided by an unwitting suspect: the U.S. Navy. The Russian navy apparently has garnered significant technology that will make future submarines quieter and harder to detect. This technology appears to have come from espionage allegedly conducted by former FBI agent Robert Hanssen, according to intelligence sources. The U.S. Navy reportedly is investigating the extent to which its submarine program was penetrated. But Russia's navy still needs significant financial infusions in coming years to take part in global naval competition. This is an abbreviated report. For full text, graphics and access to the in-depth intelligence and research on our website, click here to become a member! The attack submarine Gepard was estimated to be five years behind schedule and was believed to be part of a body of evidence reflecting the Russian fleet's poor state. The Gepard, however, represents an important departure from recent shipbuilding trends. In some respects, the new sub is believed to be superior to the U.S. Navy's Los Angeles-class attack subs. Capable of moving as fast and as quietly, the Gepard reportedly can dive deeper than the American vessels and has more firepower. Russia's government has moved to boost military funding, with a significant portion going to the navy. But espionage may be helping the navy gain advanced capabilities quickly and on the cheap. In the wake of Hanssen's arrest, it appears Russian espionage may have compromised U.S. submarine secrets. Intelligence sources say the U.S. government is investigating how badly the American program was compromised. The investigation may focus on possible pilfering of quieting technologies. Russia is developing new naval technologies for the first time in years. Additionally, an increase in foreign orders is infusing much-needed dollars into Russia's shipbuilding industry. For example on March 5, the Baltic Plant Shipyard in St. Petersburg laid the keel for the first of three 4,000-ton frigates for the Indian navy, which is also awaiting delivery of an aircraft carrier. Some shipbuilding companies also are making new investments in research and development. Meanwhile, Russia is finishing a new naval doctrine aimed at eliminating supply and logistics problems and introducing more regular training, as well as preserving the structures of the Northern, Pacific, Baltic and Black Sea Fleets and the Caspian Sea flotilla. The roadmap calls for building new flagships over the next five years and total rearmament by 2020. For now, the state of the Russian navy remains dismal; only 40 percent to 60 percent of personnel can fulfill their assignments due to aging and often inoperable ships and equipment. But the Putin government is gambling that with enough money and technology it can rebuild Russian sea power. If Russia's navy fails, however, it will dwindle to fewer than 60 ships in a little more than decade. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A
[CTRL] Federal judge makes world safer, sends elderly nuns to jail
-Caveat Lector- http://www.sfgate.com/cgi- bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/06/14/ED119000.DTL Federal judge makes world safer, sends elderly nuns to jail Stephanie Salter Thursday, June 14, 2001 IT MIGHT be fine and dandy with some of you that the government of the United States has thrown the book at an 88-year-old nun and her 68- year-old kid sister, who is also a nun. Then again, maybe you don't even know about this. Last month, in Columbus, Ga., U.S. Magistrate G. Mallon Faircloth apparently decided to make the world safe from religious women of conscience who peacefully trespass on federal property -- specifically, the military training facility at Fort Benning formerly known as the School of the Americas: He sentenced Franciscan nun Dorothy Hennessey, 88, and her younger sister, Gwen, 68, who is also a Franciscan nun, to six months each in federal prison -- the maximum possible penalty. Since 1990, when Maryknoll priest Roy Bourgeois and a handful of other protesters showed up at the gates of the school (recently renamed the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation), it has been targeted by tens of thousands of demonstrators. Every October, adults, students and little kids gather at the entrance to Fort Benning to decry the school's deadly role in Latin American politics and to demand its closure. Some of the protesters -- more each year -- cross the line and trespass onto the grounds. Usually, they carry coffins and name placards that represent the people who've died at the hands of SOA graduates. The Hennessey sisters were among several thousand who crossed the line last October and got arrested. So were two other nuns from different orders -- Elizabeth Anne McKenzie from the Sisters of St. Joseph and Miriam Spencer from the Sisters of St. Joseph of Peace. Faircloth slapped them with the maximum six months in prison, too. McKenzie is 71, Spencer, 75. Proving that he is an interdenominational kind of guy, Faircloth also sent a Quaker couple from Ohio -- Bill Houston, 72, and Hazel Tulecke, 77 -- to federal prison. Like the nuns, Houston got the max, but Tulecke received a break: only three months. Altogether, 26 peaceful trespassers were sentenced by the judge. Most (21) got the max, but two got off with a few years probation. One man from Mississippi, Steve Jacobs, received two 6-month sentences. Merciful magistrate that he is, Faircloth told Gwen Hennessey that she didn't have to report to the federal pen at Pekin, Ill. -- the nearest prison to her order's Dubuque, Iowa, motherhouse -- until after she celebrates the 50th anniversary of taking her vows. He also offered the older Dorothy the option of serving her sentence under motherhouse arrest in Dubuque. According to the National Catholic Reporter, Sister Dorothy told the judge, No thanks because she is not an invalid and wanted to be treated the same as her 25 co- defendants. Two of 15 Hennessey siblings, Dorothy and Gwen told the Reporter that their peaceful civil disobedience was a kind of activist memorial to their late brother, Franciscan friar Ron Hennessey. He served for 34 years as a missionary in Latin America and was friends with Salvadoran Archbishop Oscar Romero. Romero's 1980 assassination was master-minded by graduates of the School of the Americas. Like their fellow convicts, the Hennessey sisters said they weren't looking forward to jail, but they planned to make the best of it. Said Dorothy: If there's time left after we get out we might want to go into prison ministry. Just knowing that those two women will be off the street for six months should really make us all sleep better at night, don't you think? - -- Best Wishes When you break the big laws, you do not get freedom; you do not even get anarchy. You get the small laws. - G. K. Chesterton, Daily News, 7/29/05 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A
[CTRL] [Politics] No evidence of oil company collusion (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:00:48 -0500 From: Bill Fetzner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Politics [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Politics] No evidence of oil company collusion Feeling blue about the state of your email inbox? Then you'll be tickled pink to hear about our free email organization solution. Learn more at http://click.topica.com/caaabBybz8RyXa86V89a/register Hey, we need to hear some well-earned applause for business. According to a judge in a California class action lawsuit against oil companies, Justice Stanley Mosk said that the 1996 lawsuit presented evidence that the petroleum companies may have possessed the motive, opportunity and means to unlawfully conspire. ''But that is all. That is not enough,'' Mosk said. Are such charges likely to be any more truthful today when Governor Gray Davis and his Democratic cronies try to shift the blame on oil companies for the California energy crisis? I doubt it, and for additional good reason thanks to this judge. Business can fairly be accused of having suspicious motives and ample opportunities, but when business comes up completely exonerated of allegations of price fixing and collusion thrown against them, it's a sure sign that business too often gets a bad rap from those Marxist-inspired opponents. If you want to read the whole report, grab it fast because Newsday keeps the news scrolling and it won't be there tomorrow. ~ Bill http://www.newsday.com/ap/text/national/ap498.htm === LIST INFO Questions or problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~To unsubscribe, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~To subscribe, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~Check out other Hot Topics lists at http://www.topica.com/hot ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bz8RyX.a86V89 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SNET: Candles are now being blamed for global pollution problems (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Another crisis in the making! Justification for even more corerciveand unconstitutional social controls! visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:18:07 -0700 From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SNET: Candles are now being blamed for global pollution problems - SNETNEWS Mailing List It is your point of view that is a joke. And btw, some candle wicks contain lead. Naturally you won't see a problem... Steve On 15 Jun 01, at 11:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - SNETNEWS Mailing List What a joke... Candles are now being blamed for global pollution problems. http://ananova.com/news/story/sm_326881.html Burning candles can lead to high levels of pollutants, called particulates, released into the atmosphere. Research by the US Environmental Protection Agency shows the pollution from a burning candle can exceed standards the agency sets for outdoor air quality. If I were someone who had a health problem like asthma, and I were looking for things to prevent aggravating my respiratory problems, candles and incense are two things I would seriously consider getting rid of, says Michael Osborne of the EPA. The National Candle Association's Valerie Cooper says the concerns are overstated because the highest level of particulates was seen only when the candles smoldered. She said: Their conclusions clearly say under normal conditions candles didn't produce significant amounts of particulates. The association and EPA suggest trimming candle wicks to a quarter inch, ventilating the house and keeping lit candles out of drafts. Story filed: 18:54 Thursday 14th June 2001 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddDh.b2FRTm Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Top firms retreat into bunker to ward off anarchists
-Caveat Lector- radman pull quote: You have to understand. Future wars will be fought by capitalists and anti-capitalists as society polarises. When that happens, control of information will be as important as control of territory used to be in conventional conflicts. If you can stop your enemy from destroying your information, then you have a good chance of winning the war. http://news.independent.co.uk/digital/update/story.jsp?story=77374 13 June 2001 Top firms retreat into bunker to ward off anarchists By Steve Boggan 11 June 2001 Some of Britain's biggest companies are running their internet operations on systems installed in a 300ft-deep nuclear blast-proof bunker to protect customers from violent anti-capitalist campaigners. They are renting space in hermetically sealed rooms capable of withstanding a one Kiloton explosion, electro-magnetic pulse bombs, electronic eavesdropping and chemical and biological warfare. Hundreds of companies have already installed systems in The Bunker - formerly known as RAF Ash, outside Sandwich in Kent - and dozens more are understood to be queuing up for space. They have been driven underground by the IRA bombings of Canary Wharf and Bishopsgate in London and, increasingly, by concerns over the operations of anarchists behind sophisticated protests such as the May Day anti-capitalist rallies. At stake is billions of pounds worth of business conducted over the internet. Companies are concerned that while electronic security - using increasingly sophisticated encryption codes - is gradually making customers feel more confident about conducting credit-card transactions over the internet, the physical side of e-business is still vulnerable. The fear is that servers, the small electronic boxes through which customer traffic and business transactions on the web are channelled, could be physically vulnerable to theft, damage or sabotage. For companies conducting business solely over the internet, the loss of a server could be catastrophic; while offline there can be no sales and no income, and customers will go elsewhere. Records, too, are vulnerable to attack, hacking or simple damage, resulting in shut-downs that could cost even traditional companies millions of pounds. Now organisations such as Scottish Widows, BTCellnet, Richer Sounds and the Bank Automated Clearance System - which deals with inter-bank transactions - have acted, putting their e-business and confidential dealings out of harm's way behind guards, barbed wire, dogs, electronic detection systems, millions of tons of earth, 4m of concrete, pressurised air locks and rows of steel doors up to 18in thick. This isn't paranoia or fantasy, this is the future, said Dr Ian Angell, professor of information systems at the London School of Economics and author of The New Barbarian Manifesto. There are sophisticated anti-capitalists out there who feel a great deal of resentment against the business world. These are the new Luddites and, given half a chance, they would smash the machine to pieces. Behind The Bunker is a company called AL Digital Communications, established by the brothers Adam and Ben Laurie and Dominic Hawken. Ben Laurie is already revered in the computing world as the man who co-wrote Apache-SSL, perhaps the best-known encryption technology available over the internet - a tool used by some anti-capitalists when arranging demonstrations. Three years ago, AL Digital heard that an RAF facility with state-of-the art electronics and communications systems was to be auctioned off. RAF Ash was one of four underground command and control centres at the heart of Britain's national air defence system. As part of a cost-cutting exercise, it was to be mothballed only seven years after undergoing a complete overhaul and upgrade. The AL Digital team made a sealed bid - still secret, according to the Ministry of Defence - and the 60,000sq ft bunker with 18 acres of land was theirs. The facility was designed to withstand a nuclear attack without disrupting RAF computer systems, Dominic Hawken said. Their computers were about radar, but there is little difference between that and hosting a website. Some people have argued that our defences are a little over the top, but they're here now ? what can we do, shave a little off the walls? To enter, visitors must pass through security checks before being allowed through layer after layer of restricted access; of the 49 employees on site, only a handful are allowed into the bowels of the structure. Here, one finds doors that take two people to open and concrete grottoes called Faraday cages that act as electric buffers between the hostile outside and the environmentally pure, air-filtered inside. There are three back-up power systems big enough to fire up a small town - when busy, the National Grid buys energy from The Bunker's four turbines. There are dedicated telecommunications lines installed for the RAF
[CTRL] SNET: OVER 1,000 UN PROTECTED AREAS IN AMERICA (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 01:43:25 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: OVER 1,000 UN PROTECTED AREAS IN AMERICA - SNETNEWS Mailing List Subj: OVER 1,000 UN PROTECTED AREAS IN AMERICA Date: 6/14/01 10:46:31 PM Central Daylight Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gary Reil) To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This is also going out to the Alabama list so some of you will receive duplicates. Also, for those on the Alabama list, I am working on articles for the newspaper as the deadline nears but will update you soon on our anti-UN bill. Jim Hardin The Freedom Page A HREF=http://www.freedompage.ws/;http://www.freedompage.ws//A To receive Freedom Page mail, put Subscribe as subject to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To be removed, put Remove as subject. Alabama Committee To Get Us Out of the UN A HREF=http://themustardseed.home.mindspring.com/;http://themustardseed.home.mindspring.com//A From: Don or MaryAnn Crum [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is quite a few in Alabama! They were trying to get Klinton to make a part of Bankhead and Talladega National monuments before he left office--thank God it didn't happen! For God and Country, MaryAnn II Chronicles 7:14...If my people A HREF=http://www.constitutionparty.com/;http://www.constitutionparty.com//AA HREF=http://www.constitutionparty.com/;com /A- Original Message - From: Donald G. Crowell Subject: OVER 1,000 UNITED NATIONS PROTECTED AREAS IN AMERICA? Over 1,000 UN areas in America? WHERE IS THE PROOF? How many UNITED NATIONS PROTECTED AREAS are there in your state? Answer: More than you think. The Statue of Liberty, Independence Hall, Thomas Jefferson's home at Monticello, Yosemite National Park and many other national monuments are already listed by the UN in its official 1996 UNESCO Heritage Site map. More proof: All 50 states now have UN Protected Areas. Look up your state right here to find a list of state properties now designated by the United Nations as Protected Areas. (Protected Areas are in addition to many of the UNESCO Heritage Sites). In their own words, the purpose of the UN Protected Areas is to promote the establishment and effective management of a worldwide, representative network of terrestrial and maritime protected areas. Could the word management be defined as control? Recommended action: Check out the UN areas in your state by going to A HREF=http://www.unep-wcmc.org/protected_areas/UN_list/index;www.unep-wcmc.org/protected_areas/UN_list/index/A. Click on to the 1997 list. You will see there is a serious incremental plan to place unelected and unaccountable UN agencies in charge of your future. Then: Continue research the UN's ongoing conspiratorial plans for world government at A HREF=http://www.thenewamerican.com/;http://www.thenewamerican.com//AA HREF=http://www.thenewamerican.com/;com/A Join our forty-year old national campaign to Get US out of the United Nations. Send for a complimentary copy of our Boot in the Face brochure to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please forward this message to help educate others, if you wish. The truth can set us free Don C Hannibal, MO -- -- Want to know the truth about the Confederate Battle Flag? Just click: A HREF=http://www.freedompage.ws/store.html; http://www.freedompage.ws/store.html/A for info on how to order the tape. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddDh.b2FRTm Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A
Re: [CTRL] Apples in Eden
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: "c." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Apples in Eden Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:20:53 +0100 - Original Message - From: Adam Kowalczyk To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Apples in Eden -Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: YnrChyldzWyld Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Apples in Eden Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:58:21 -0400 -Caveat Lector- On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Adam Kowalczyk wrote: capricorn markes what has been traditionally the feminine time of the year - the winter's stillness being the fertility required for the life giving initiative borne by summer - the light... according to 99 percent of systems that are based on observations of the world around one's self...namely those that are based on the cyclic nature of things...as the universe is based... according to metaphysics...many monotheistic mystics...the rise and fall of the heartbeat...the expansion and contraction of the universe as described in macrophysics which has analogies in microphysics [as above so below is supported by chaos theory in the form of 'symmetry across scale']...according to all systems that base their 'revelations' on observation, hypothesizing, and testing... duh... duh? i think you mean "doh!" dontcha? ;) cause if the belief system is, as you say, based on the patterns of nature then don't you think that supports June's reasoning and not yours? i may be wrong but isn't that what wicca is? like, completely? rooted in nature i mean. 99%? i can't find even one. i think you are just a couple of star signs out. i suggest research...i am not a student in a vacuum coming up with my own stuff and there is not a single esoteric student with a modicum of experience that has not agreed with the above... try dane rudhyar...one of the premier astrological writers of all time... my point is that nature religions are the scapegoat...goddess religions...it was all eve's fault and lilith is merely a vampire - these are points that patriarchal thought has made since its inception and they are wrong... the horned one [which has made its appearance in most polytheistic belief systems - this includes wicca] is another 'entity' that has been deliberately confused with the others - the horned one is male but anything derived from observance of the horned one [a representation of the spirit of the buck - free roaming and wild] or of the goddess has been lumped into heretical 'devil' worship... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBINGNexus Magazine
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: Amelia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Fw: OKLAHOMA CITY "BOMBING"Nexus Magazine Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:50:41 -0500 -Caveat Lector- I have noticed that of late the media and various pundits and politicos express some concern over what lowly, WE, 'spirator theorists, will say concerning an event such as this and the execution of MeVeigh. I have never noticed them doing this before. Why do they care what we say? Maybe the Internet has made us relevant, I don't know. The Waco disaster was launched out of this building. one of the reasons it was targeted. The records for Gulf War Syndrome were archived in this building, including just who made those strange vaccines and what may have potentially been in them. Afterwards, Clinton was able to get the $4 Billion total Anti-Terrorists Act passed in TWO days. It also served to put the brakes on any militia activity, real or alleged, even though McVeigh was a product of the U.S. Military with far less militia connection than regular military. No militia was ever directly tied to the explosion so this was pretty much a fabrication. So cui bono, indeed! Here is yet another theory on what caused the actual explosion which resulted in columns at the rear being more damaged than those nearer the truck and other inconsistencies with the 'fertilizer bomb' explanation. Looks to me like the explanation of a single truck bomb is a form of fertilizer in and of itself. ~Amelia~ == and the premier experts on explosives all had the day off in OKC that day...namely the BATF... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] EPA adds 10 sites to Superfund list
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: Amelia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] EPA adds 10 sites to Superfund list Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:01:16 -0500 -Caveat Lector- EPA adds 10 sites to Superfund list Six are in New England; 10 more sites could be added = in my employment with Clean Water Action - the initiators of the Clean Water Act - one of the things that i discovered during my research was that the superfund has roughly 70% of its operating costs as purely pencil pushing...30% actually goes to cleaning... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen Colonies
-Caveat Lector- The Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen Colonies In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776 The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain [George III] is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world. He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained, and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only. He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures. He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people. He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within. He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands. He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers. He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries. He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance. He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies, without the consent of our legislatures. He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power. He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation: For protecting them by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States: For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world: For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent: For depriving us in many cases of the benefits of Trial by Jury: For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences: For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for
Re: [CTRL] Levy's Parents Suspicious Of Condit
-Caveat Lector- Well noted Bill the mother had a new hairdo; and the father appeared to have had his locks shorn too. Wonder why Condit does not take a lie detector test as any innocent man would and when I say innocent - well as his Aide said the little girl had no relationship with Condit other than friendship; but, on the other hand then he said, what if he did? Is this how one gets in the FBI today? Special favors from Congressmen? Didn't used to be that way - and then, this little girl thought she wanted to be in the CIA? Meanwhile, at least it keeps Condit out of the Discos - for blow dry as they called him, might be having problems at home if anything comes of this. And of course we have the writing of many books Saba Or was the party just over? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bismarck Batlle of New Orlean Wavs
-Caveat Lector- Dear Friends: If anybody would like the Battle of New Orleans wav or the Sink the Bismark Wav by Johnny Horton please let me know! God Bless; Bill A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THE MASTER PLAN OF THE ILLUMINATED ROTHSCHILDS: Ron Patton interviews Marion Knox
-Caveat Lector- Subject: [CTRL] THE MASTER PLAN OF THE ILLUMINATED ROTHSCHILDS: Ron Patton interviews Marion Knox MK: The Illuminati is a Luciferian religion that is counterfeit to the church of Jesus Christ [not the Mormon one]. Illuminati means, Light Bearers or Enlightened Ones. The Illuminati belief system says that freedom is only obtained through the entrance of true or pure light (sodomy) and life (sacrifice) is only obtained through death. They tell their people that nothing can ever penetrate that power because the [unholy] trinity of Cain, Nimrod, and Joseph seals it in. I went to see DRACULA2001 tonight and the Illuminati stuff really stood out after reading this article - A truly antichristian film - just at the end - as dracula stands on the roof above the carnival before the burning plastic/neon christ - DRACULA clearly proclaims himself to be JOSEPH then further goes on to say that he is Judas - a nice guy who is simply giving people the kingdom of flesh 'what they want' ie. sex, drugs, rockroll and death and BLOOD - he is the betrayer of christ - but he was needed by christ to betray him because Christ had had it written - Christ the hypocrit tortured JOSEPH for giving Christ the reward of the martyrs death that he really wanted. the scene cuts to VIRGIN records and cavorting flesh. - andrew hennessey that he really wanted A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: sane revolution
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 3:01 AM Subject: sane revolution hi mike, got the gist of the URLs didn't read them all. Your assumption though is way off base. I started earnestly researching this area over 25 years ago, AND I have NEVER READ ANY BOOK by ICKE so that sort of disqualifies your premis right from the start. My bunch of researchers though HAVE met and researched the stuff that Icke talks about and can independently VERIFY it eg. Bloody Lizards without any reference to purple catsuits, football and grandiose claims to godhood - which by the way were tediously misquoted by the establishment - Icke obviously meant that we are all sons and daughters of God this I believe too - Actually, having a nervous breakdown is an asset - it shows we are human, but I can put up a case for bloody lizards without ANY reference to Ickes material whatsoever. No I wouldn't say you are Illuminati because you disagree with Icke, but if you have a problem with non-human beings being on this planet - then you have a lot of stuff still to research. But if you want a discussion about the research material - I don't happen to fall neatly into the Icke pigeon hole and not having read any of his books even though they were given to me for free - only his reviewers and his other critics, I have a well formed picture of the state of affairs here and it seems to co-incide with Ickes conclusions. I also have strong opinions on the level of infiltration in so called 'revolutionary' organisations eg. blacklight power, 'marxists' etc but coming from scotland - a boilerhouse of sedition - I strongly agree with the scottish socialist party. What ties people up in knots is coming to terms with how our society is manipulated. unlike Icke, I believe that the real Jews are the real Aryans, and that the mythology surrounding aryan telepathy, the reptilian biochemistry of our third eye/pineal gland, and our reptilian brain stem tells its own story were you to listen a bit more intently. If you do a netsearch for andrew hennessey you may come across The True History of Humanity at Laura lee news - I did the research myself - thats where I believe its at - anyway - best of luck with your revolution - I hope that you can keep your plans and even intentions secret long enough to bring it about .. :) thats really the biggest secret in my opinion the fact that a bunch of telepathic bluebloods run every game in town - the good guys and the bad guys, thats why no secret ever gets out - the deadwood monkeys called humans never get close - coz the functional telepaths can hear them coming. ever been in an exam or critical situation, were going to say something very important or create something special, and then lost it ? - we all do - but nobody ever realises why. :) andrew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Ann Coulter on the Religious Cult of Liberalism
-Caveat Lector- Well, Nessie, I basically agree with what you are saying but that was NOT the issue about which I was asking. I apparently did not express myself well. I was saying that just ANN COULTER was not considered extremists and giving some examples of possible groups generally considered one way or the other, like Jerry Falwell on the right and maybe Marxist on the left as possible people who would be counted extremists for contrast. My question was what was wrong with posting the weekly, nationally syndicated column of a person who is NOT extreme, frequent visitor of talk show news pundits on TV, etc. Ann Counter. Why does this deem me a fool and her article 'irritating' and 'propaganda' that requires I be so informed by the listowner? You, yourself, have raised the very subject she does with her article. It is how people view the ideology of others as being taught in schools, etc. at the expense of their tax dollars. You have said you do not like the superstitions of others so taught. She is aying what is so magic about the 'after school' aspect of what goes on when it has been going on all day. Why is it wrong to post this? Is this forum for liberal views only because when I signed up, I understood something very differently about different views, etc. all coming together and Hegelian dialectic and all sides being necessary to get a complete picture. If this post is inappropriate, I want to clearly know that. I will not post material that is in any way inappropriate to this list. I do not, on the other hand, appreciate being given the impression that all sides were free to post if they are not. Just asking for clarification as to why a Coulter post is not welcome when some post up to two entire newsletters of much more extreme material, page after page. I seem to have missed some rule or other and want to know what it is and where it is located because I got the same deal when I posted a Neal Boortz article. Coulter is Republican and Boortz is a Libertarian. If this is a liberal forum, I want t o know and that is what I am trying to find out. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Ann Coulter on the Religious Cult of Liberalism -Caveat Lector- We have posts from the extreme side of the left in the form of gays, eco-extremists, wiccans, pagans, anarchists Gays, eco-extremists, wiccans, pagans, anarchists are not the extreme side of the left. Many among them aren't leftists at all, not by any stretch of the imagination. Some gays, some wiccans, and some pagans are leftists. Some gays and some pagans are rightists. Most wiccans are apolitical. No wiccans are rightists. Anarchists are neither leftists nor rightists. Eco-extremism was founded by Nazis. Some contemporary eco-extremists are leftists, some are rightists and some are anarchists. Making it even more complicated is that the very definition of extreme is a relative one. The same position can be easily seen as extreme by one faction and as moderate by another faction. Get your facts straight. Better still, abandon the paradigm. Left/right is a false dichotomy. The spectrum is insufficient in scope to serve as a valid metaphor for the political landscape. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1c.html FORMER MORMON CONFIRMS THE HYPOCRISY OF THE MORMON CHURCH I have been reading the articles about the Mormon church on David's site and I just wanted to tell you that you are definitely on the right track. I was raised Mormon here in Fairbanks, Alaska. I was married in the Salt Lake Temple in April 1980. The ceremonies, word for word, were exactly the same as the Masonic rituals. I especially was disgusted by the part of the ritual where I was told that my husband would have to "bring me into heaven" - I could not get there by myself, no matter how good I was. My husband ran off with an underage hooker one month after we returned from the temple, and informed me that I must remain married to him, because he wanted to be able to "get some" from me any time he was bored with the hooker. The church told me, when I complained to them, that I must do as he said, and that I could not divorce him. Well, I knew where the court house was, so I got my divorce, anyway and left the church in the dust. Since that time, I have investigated several organized religions, and have decided that I am a spiritual person, but not a religious one. Tell David to keep on telling the truth! Name withheld
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Ann Coulter on the Religious Cult of Liberalism
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/15/01 8:22:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you believe there are no ideologies presented in the classrooms and that education if strictly academic and free from political and social orientation? That is all she is saying. Are we no longer about different aspects of the political dialectic? ~Amelia~ Wasn't really directed at you , just the claptrap. Yes, the schools have been and are used by sinister forces to groom new slaves, but the whole liberal / conservative dialectic is fashioned out of propagandic cloth. Let us get beyond that. And no I do not care for the rhetorical style of he piece which amplifies and divides and hardens the sides. It is not the vox populi. MHO I mean do you really think the liberals are out to get ya. Tell me who or what do you see as the sinster forces loose in the world? Om k MHO Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: OK bombing/Facts Suppressed
Six Suppressed Facts about McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing Copyright ©2001 by Michael A. Hoffman II 1. McVeigh was a U.S. Government agent. To the end he has suported the ridiculous government line--that there was no conspiracy and that an ammonium-fertilizer truck bomb alone caused the enormous damage to the Alfred E. Murrah building. McVeigh also displayed Masonic apoplexy -- he asked to be executed. 2. Carol Howe was an ATF informant who overheard McVeigh and his numerous unindicted accomplices plotting to blow up the Alfred E. Murrah building. She told her ATF supervisor about the bombing before it occurred. Federal Judge Richard Matsch prohibited Howe from testifying at McVeigh's trial, saying her testimony might confuse the jurors. 3. The FBI refused to investigate McVeigh's possible co-conspirators: Witnesses also believe (Gregory) McCrea and (Chevie) Kehoe met Timothy McVeigh at the Shadows Motel shortly before the April, 1995 Oklahoma City bombing...A former manager of the motel has reported seeing McVeigh visiting Kehoe there a few weeks before the Oklahoma City bombing. ...But the possible link between the Shadows Motel, Kehoe and McVeigh has been given little, if any, attention by the FBI...With McVeigh and his friend Terry Nichols convicted of the Oklahoma City bombing, there is reluctance to reopen the investigation, federal officials say. (Spokesman-Review, April 11, 1999, pp. B-1 and B-6. ). Editor's note: Kehoe killed gun dealer William Mueller because Mueller had knowledge of the conspiracy behind McVeigh. Kehoe told the manager of the Shadows motel, in advance, of a catastrophe set to occur on April 19, 1995. 4. The book, The Oklahoma City Bombing and The Politics of Terror by David Hoffman (Venice, Calif: Feral House, 1998) was pulped by the publisher, on orders of the FBI, because this book gives the names of the government agents behind McVeigh. Nearly the entire print run was destroyed. This book commands $100 or more on the rare book market. If there was no conspiracy, why did the FBI move to have David Hoffman's conspiracy book destroyed? 5. Brig. General Benton Partin, the U.S. Air Force's leading authority on bomb damage, has repeatedly stated that the pattern of damage at the Alfred E. Murrah building in Oklahoma City ...would have been technically impossible without supplementing demolition charges at some of the reinforcing concrete column bases. General Partin said that a truck filled with ammonium-nitrate could not have caused the degree of damage done to the Murrah building. His complete report was reproduced in Hoffman's book. In other words, other bombs were placed inside the building because this was an inside job. 6. The Murrah building was quickly demolished and McVeigh quickly executed to cover up the trail of evidence leading to the government conspiracy behind the Oklahoma City bombing; a bombing which reaped huge rewards for the Federal police state in the form of legislation passed by Congress in the wake of the bombing, enabling the further curtailment of civil liberties and the further expansion of police powers and police budgets. Your media should be reporting these facts, exposing the Federal government and following up these leads. Instead, the media are partners with the government in the conspiracy--covering up the truth about the murder of 169 people--victims who are but pawns in the Cryptocracy's game. [Michael A. Hoffman II is a former reporter for the New York bureau of the Associated Press and the author of Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare 2001, which will be published in July by Independent History and Research]
Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/15/01 12:49:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or maybe long haired, brain fried dopers? Its too risky to use them for organ donors or blood donors. Way too many health problems. So do just throw you hate around for fun . . Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Intelligent Design - Christians Beware
-Caveat Lector- INTELLIGENT DESIGN - a dead end with CHAOS THEORY LUCIFER What this movement is going to do [imo] is Use 'Intelligent Design' as proof that there is a creator, then someone is going to do a chaos and emergence experiment eg. see www.santafe.edu to prove that design emerges from fractal components and that there is No Gods will - only mechanistic processes and having got there - they will then say that God is in the electricity of the cosmos and that electricity is Lucifer and that we all belong to Lucifer etc This argument tricks us into believing our Souls are not independently ours and eternal, but Lucifers The scam is actually quite complex to follow - but hinges on the simple fact that people need material proof of God. It is calculated to deceive however because material systems organise into ordered looking niches quite easily - a fact known to the illuminati AND the chaos scientists - 'order emerges out of chaos is the 33 degree masonic motto' and a fact found in Hindu sanskrit circa 10,000BC something 99.9% of the worlds population just do not know - Why ?? because they only teach the real science of the cosmos in Illuminati schools the science of chaos theory and complexity and emergence will be used to destroy the Intelligent Design argument and cause dismay - because the Christians that want to ditch darwin may pin their flag to the Intelligent Design school of thought. Check out Richard Milton - there are tonnes of refutations of darwin check out Dr Brian Goodwin - Darwin is blown away by Chinese fossils - AND no missing link was ever discovered or the millions of 'transitional states' So Christians should stay away from the Intelligent Design argument - it leads down the slippery slope to chaos theory and nature red in tooth and claw - Intelligent Design is not an argument for the Soul - It is an argument FOR LUCIFER The One God gave us the freedom to play in this garden of matter but we are eternal souls that last forever - unlike the material systems that are infested by Lucifer. Yes God created All - but beware of the Pit of Chaos Theory it will be used to blindfold us to our true heritage and identity andrew hennessey Life's intelligent design Author of 'Darwin on Trial' sees a win May 07, 01 Steve Maynard; The News Tribune http://search.tribnet.com/archive/archive30/0507s11.html Phillip Johnson began his talk on intelligent design at Pacific Lutheran University with a sort of victory cry. Ten years ago, Johnson wrote a book called Darwin on Trial that disputed Darwinian evolution and launched a movement. Johnson, a professor emeritus of law at University of California at Berkeley, and other academics produced the concept of intelligent design. They assert the complexities of the Earth must be the work of a designer. Johnson had good reason to be buoyant last month at PLU. Recent front-page stories in The New York Times and Los Angeles Times describe intelligent design as a credible foe of evolution. Our enemies may not like us, but they know that we're getting ahead, that we're winning the argument, Johnson told 400 people in a packed lecture room. However, most scientists disagree. Their ideas have been looked at by the scientific community and nobody's convinced they've got anything scientifically useful, said Eugenie Scott, executive director of the National Center for Science Education in Oakland, Calif. I would say it's distinctly premature to say he's winning any kind of argument. The center is a nonprofit organization that advocates for the teaching of evolution. In Tacoma and Seattle people have flocked to hear Johnson, the father of intelligent design. A crowd of more than 700 overflowed Kane Hall at the University of Washington last month to hear him. He offered an approach more intellectually intricate than that of biblical creationists, who assert the Earth is only 6,000 to 8,000 years old and was created in six days. Johnson said during an interview that he accepts the age of the Earth as 4.6 billion years but that's not the real issue. Nor is the issue how one feels about the Genesis account of creation, said Johnson, 60, an evangelical Christian. Speaking in his rapid-fire style, Johnson asserted that the issue is evolution and how it is based on the philosophy of naturalism. Biologists say that science simply assumes that there is not and can be no designer, Johnson said. It's not a matter of evidence; it's a matter of assumption. You begin to see why a lawyer took this up. Intelligent design is the proposition that you need a source of intelligence in order to account for the wonders of biology. You do not see the designer directly, of course. What you see (are) the effects of design. Johnson is anything but a lone ranger in his battle. The research of two other so-called fathers of the intelligent design movement - Michael Behe and William Dembski - is funded by a nonprofit
[CTRL] Nepal and Mind Reading
-Caveat Lector- Just posted 2 very interesting articles to my webpage http://leviathan.weblogs.com http://www.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=45546 Revolt in Nepal - report and pics. (english) by Anon. from NZ National 8:28pm Thu Jun 7 '01 (Modified on 2:57pm Fri Jun 8 '01) I received this from an email list. The email is (I think) written by a Kiwi who is in Nepal. There is apparently an uprising in process-- the Crown Prince was shot in the back (but supposedly shot himself). No one is buying it and the people are revolting. (article 1) FUCK the last two days have been some of the most amazing in my life. The news you are getting in NZ is probably CNN bullshit. The late King and family in Nepal have been a symbol for the people of being independent from imperalist rule for a start so thatis partly why the grief is so immense. The kings brother has just now been crowned king and the people are uprising. The kings brother is much hated by nepalese people and activists alike. He was cast out from Nepal for corruption and went to live in India. The campaign agaisnt coprruption is huge and the pruime minister is also a target. So when the whole family (actually 13 people) were massacred the govt blamed the crown prince saying he shot everyone and then himself. Noone believed this. Now the govt says it was an accident. Fuck sorry if this is crazy but I am typing hard out we are under threat from the army who are everywhrere. So essentially the kings brother arranged for his son to kill everyone so he could be king. The pepole are not accepting him and there are riots everywhere. Martial law has been impose and the conference is cancelled pretty much.A few of us are staying though and networking and supporting. The radical organisations that organised it have been outlawed under martial law and they fear arrest. A few of us have been caught up in demos on the street I think I have some good photos of the cops beating people with sticks but I was running as fast as I could at the time. 10 people have also been shot dead by the army.Ths is verty important to get out as they are refusing to let people report it. Also the only witness alive to the massacre has just been poisoned by the govt so there is no witness apart from the new kings son who people believe did it. The investigation commitee comprises of the ruling party only and is afarce. People are amazing here they have nothing but their bare hands and they are standing up to guns sticks knives I hope my photos are good. About 10 of us are keen to support the nepaese people and try and get the word back to our countries. We trekked into the peasant communites yesterday to share resources and food and they welcomed us like heros it was fucking incredible. But then we got trapped because the army said they would shoot us if we came back to our base. Crazy. We are reasonably safe becase we are forigners and we feel strongly about being part of making history. Nepal amy face civil war and the end of monarchy at this rate and it is a privilege beyond belief to be here. we are a tight knit group and hope to make some difference. I have to run again they are imposing curfew in half an hour and if you are outside you are get shot. --- http://www.newscientist.com/newsletter/features.jsp?id=ns229411 Nowhere to hide We can tell you if you're guilty or innocent. You can't fool the lie detector that knows what you are thinking. John McCrone investigates YOU have just been arrested on suspicion of murder. You're sweating it out in the interrogation room with a pair of beefy detectives. But your lips are sealed--you know your rights. Then with a smirk they slip a thing like a hairnet covered in dozens of tiny electrodes over your head and sit you down in front of a computer. Pictures of the crime scene begin to flash up on the screen interspersed with multiple-choice questions. Flash! A photo of a brick wall. Flash! What lies behind this wall? Flash! Cement and blacktop? Flash! Sand and gravel? Flash! Weeds and grass? You said nothing. You were even trying not to think. But sorry buddy, your brain just gave you away. It couldn't help but show an electrical start of recognition at the image matching the memory of hurdling a wall and wading through a backyard of weeds as you fled. An Orwellian fantasy? No, this technique was actually used in a recent test case at a County Court in Iowa. The brain reading technology was developed in university labs with CIA money. And it's not the only way that researchers are searching for new ways to probe a lying mind. The US Department of Defense is funding research into the use of multimillion dollar brain scanners. Other labs are looking at more low-tech methods, such as a simple reaction time test that can be an astonishingly reliable way of discovering guilty knowledge you might rather conceal. The
[CTRL] Fwd: How mobbed-up local governments compromise and use depraved criminals
Cop extraordinaire , DICK DEVINE, cook county prosecuter, announced that charges have been brought against former STREAMWOOD resident PAUL RUNGE for a string of inconceivably animalistic murders beginning on jan 3 or 4 1995. In may 1995, cook county sheriffs office called me and said your info cracked the case thats all they ever said. This is much more than it appears and it is DIRECTLY related to the criminality of the Illinois Republicans , Dupage county, Hanover Park, and ESPECIALLY the recent murder attempts against me (which are continuing ) Thats all I have time for right now. Kenneth B Thomas Replies Author Date 2908 Re: Grisly murders in Illinois kenneth b thomas Fri 6/15/2001 Message 2907 of 2908 | Previous | Next [ Up PS The arrest of the mayor of Cicero,Illinois and some alleged mob functionaries is also very drectly connected. I'm not talking about the case because I have no interest in it and do not want to be furthur involved. Anything anybody wants to ask me they can ask Tim Anderson #847 367 6575 or Deputy chief Edward Tepper, hanover park PD #630 372 4400 or C.O.P. Ron Moser E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kenneth B Thomas
[CTRL] Ann Coulter on the Religious Cult
-Caveat Lector- No, Kris, I do not think Liberals are out to get me. Nor shape-shifting reptoids nor the Bush Crime Family. I do not think I am the target of anything specific. Most likely it is indifference and neglect on the part of govt/corps/orgs that will do the most harm. I think the most sinister force in the world is probably the Global/UN/NWO/Depopulation movement. IMHO. Do not know how this ties in with post on social engineering but sorry I posted it. It just came out and that is probably why it was posted by two different people simultaneously. I do not have any way of anticipating what you will and will not like the tone of but it does not matter for it is your list. Best to you with it and any other endeavors. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Ann Coulter on the Religious Cult of Liberalism -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/15/01 8:22:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you believe there are no ideologies presented in the classrooms and that education if strictly academic and free from political and social orientation? That is all she is saying. Are we no longer about different aspects of the political dialectic? ~Amelia~ Wasn't really directed at you , just the claptrap. Yes, the schools have been and are used by sinister forces to groom new slaves, but the whole liberal / conservative dialectic is fashioned out of propagandic cloth. Let us get beyond that. And no I do not care for the rhetorical style of he piece which amplifies and divides and hardens the sides. It is not the vox populi. MHO I mean do you really think the liberals are out to get ya. Tell me who or what do you see as the sinster forces loose in the world? Om k A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Storm Damage~~Off list for a while
-Caveat Lector- I will be off list until further notice. Third year of storm damage in a row and cannot tell extent until daylight and the water recedes. On the up side, three new Westie puppies, two girls and one boy. :-) ~Amelia~ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
