[CTRL] WP: Minister Says Daughter, at 18, Had an Affair With Condit
-Caveat Lector- From: www.washingtonpost.com Minister Says Daughter, at 18, Had an Affair With Condit By Petula Dvorak and Allan Lengel Washington Post Staff Writers Thursday, July 12, 2001; Page A01 FBI agents looking into the disappearance of Chandra Levy have approached and interviewed a Pentecostal minister who described an affair between his then-18-year-old daughter and Rep. Gary A. Condit, telling investigators that the congressman had warned her never to speak of the relationship. Four law enforcement sources confirmed that the father, Otis Thomas, has been questioned by the FBI and that investigators are interested in talking to his daughter. Thomas, in an interview in which he described what his daughter told him of the affair, said that he has encouraged her to talk to the FBI but that she is afraid to do so and has gone into hiding. Thomas said the relationship took place about seven years ago and that it ended in a tense breakup initiated by his daughter. Thomas said he decided to describe his daughter's account to FBI agent Todd M. Irinaga because he learned that the relationship was discussed by Levy and Condit in April, about two weeks before the 24-year-old intern was last seen. Thomas's daughter, who is now in her mid-twenties, declined to discuss any aspect of the case. I don't want to talk about any of that, she said in a brief telephone conversation this week. Marina Ein, a spokesman for the Democratic congressman from California, yesterday accused The Washington Post of joining the ranks of tabloids who have come to us with specious questions about a supposed affair. These questions are destructive, unfair and irrelevant, Ein said. In fact, we are constantly placed in the impossible position of having to prove a negative. This is something we will not do. Condit's attorney, Abbe D. Lowell, said, This is beneath the dignity of The Washington Post. Thomas's account of his daughter's affair with Condit has been known to the Levy family since mid-April, before Chandra disappeared. By then, the Levy family knew Chandra was having a relationship with the congressman, according to family members. Thomas, who has parlayed his weekend groundskeeping at his Modesto, Calif., church into a weekday freelance gardening business, has done work at the Levy home for about four years. He had a conversation with Chandra's mother, Susan Levy, in April while he was tending roses in the back yard. The conversation continued by the pool, where Susan Levy brought him a cold drink. The two often talked about their children, and Thomas said he asked Susan Levy how Chandra was doing in Washington. Susan Levy replied that Chandra was doing well and that she had befriended a congressman, Gary Condit. Mrs. Levy asked me if I know Gary Condit and asked me what I think about him, Thomas said. She said she was asking about him because her daughter was friends with him in Washington. Thomas said he remembered that his daughter had asked him for advice about seven years ago, when she wanted to break off a bad relationship. He said he had been shocked when she told him the man she was seeing was Condit, whom she said she met at a political rally. Lord have mercy, I told her she has to be around men her own age, Thomas said. He said he advised her to end the liaison immediately. She did so, and the two never spoke of it again, he said. I didn't really think much about it since then, until Mrs. Levy asked me about him, Thomas said. At the Levy house that day, Thomas said he and Susan Levy talked about Condit, gingerly at first. Then Mrs. Levy asked me if I've ever heard anything about him and other women, Thomas said. The two eventually confessed to one another that both their daughters had relationships with Condit. I told Mrs. Levy that with my daughter, it ended badly, that I think her daughter should end the relationship with him right away, Thomas said. He remembers that Susan Levy then got on the phone and called Chandra in Washington. He said he heard the mother argue with her daughter. Mrs. Levy talked to Chandra about it, but Chandra told her mother to mind her own business, that she was a grown woman who could deal with it, Thomas said. Susan Levy confirmed that she had the conversation with Thomas and said she had sparred with her daughter about the relationship with Condit over the phone. In mid-April, when the Levys were in the Washington area to celebrate their daughter's birthday, Chandra Levy told her mother that she had talked to Condit about the affair described by Thomas and that the congressman had explained it all to her, Susan Levy said. About two weeks later, on April 30, Chandra Levy canceled the membership at her Washington health club. She has not been seen since. In May, when Thomas and his daughter saw news accounts of Levy's disappearance, he said his daughter became upset. She told him that Condit had warned her after the breakup not to tell anyone about the
[CTRL] Civil Rights Not meant for White Men?
George Bush - go get this old bat. ~Amelia~ Mary Frances Berry (current head of U.S. Commission on Civil Rights) - Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them. [Civil Rights Under Reagan, San Francisco, ICS Press, 1991, p. 141.]
[CTRL] A Cry From the Wilderness?
-Caveat Lector- So Civil Rights not made for the White Man? This Civil Rights Commission or whatever they call it here we go - there now we have grounds for serious law suits for this stupid illiterate woman could spend the rest of her life in a court of law defending this statement with regard to whites who may have filed complaints and received unjust treatment. Now, what was that that George W. Bush's son in law or nephew said - the Latino - HE SAID FIGHT FOR YOUR RACE and it is about time some of these chicken crap white men stood up and demanded this woman be removed from public service Interesting item on a black leader who has seen the light and is not afraid of Jesse Jackson or his henchmen or the likes of an Al Sharpton, who dirty up the term Civil Rights. One must remember who was the founder of the NAACP - and then take another look at the Boy Scouts being publicly condemned and crucified by this evil element in our society. Saba With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff For the story behind the story... Wednesday, July 11, 2001 Black Leader Urges Black Boycott of NAACP Calling the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) nothing more than a tool of the elite, socialist Democratic Party, the Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, founder and president of the Brotherhood Organization of A New Destiny (BOND), called on fellow African-Americans to launch a nationwide boycott of the organization. Noting that the NAACP has been in the news recently for attacking President Bush's faith-based initiative and Cabinet choices and for criticizing the president for not speaking at this year's annual convention, Peterson's group pointedly recalled the NAACP's sponsorship of a vicious election-time ad that implied that President Bush was responsible for a racially motivated dragging death in Texas. The NAACP's recent actions have proven that they have sold out the original intent of the organization, which was to help black Americans to succeed in society, said the Rev. Peterson. In recent years they [the NAACP] have become nothing more than a tool of the elite, socialist Democratic Party. We certainly saw that in their preferential treatment of Bill Clinton and Al Gore. What is the NAACP doing about the real problems in the black community? Peterson asked. What are they doing about our schools, where our kids know more about condoms than mathematics? What is the NAACP doing about the 70 percent of black babies being born out of wedlock? It's clear they have no interest in solving these problems. In fact, I believe their true intent is to cause problems by dividing America and by irritating resentments in the black community. Peterson urged Americans to refrain from supporting the NAACP: The NAACP is no longer deserving of receiving Americans' hard-earned money or precious time. Anyone who continues to support them is financing their own destruction, the Rev. Peterson concluded. Read more on this subject in related Hot Topics: Bush Administration Presidential Race 2000 Printer Friendly Version Click for complete story Inside Cover Stories Condit Refused to Turn Over Pants With Red Mystery Stain FBI Analyzing Blood Found on Condit's Venetian Blinds Lott Calls for IRS Review of NAACP Clintons Quiet on Condit Comparisons Black Leader Urges Black Boycott of NAACP D.C. Cops Mobilizing to Handle Huge Fall Demonstrations Court Says the Church Must Pay for Condoms? Second Castro Daughter Bolts Cuba Judas Kiss: Castro Keeps Exploiting Elian Bush and Hillary Paired Up for Air Force One Big Apple Trip Gingrich Blasts NAACP for Bush Insult More Inside Cover Stories Contact Us · Financial News · Late-Night Jokes · Article Archives · Employment Ops. NewsMax.com Privacy Statement All Rights Reserved © NewsMax.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To
[CTRL] Fwd: Fw: Justice Department Reverses Gun Rights Position
Interesting Item - Does anybody really think this would have ever happened under a Gore/Lieberman administration? Or would we all be receiving visits from the UN gun patrol? ~Amelia~ : Wednesday, July 11, 2001 9:23 PM Subject: Justice Department Reverses Gun Rights Position Source: YahooNews http://dailynews.yahoo.com/ Justice Department Reverses Gun Rights Position http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20010711/ts/crime_guns_dc_1. html Wednesday July 11 2:01 PM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Reversing a position it adopted nearly 30 years ago, the Justice Department is preparing a formal legal opinion that individuals, not just groups, have a constitutional right to own guns, a view advocated by Attorney General John Ashcroft, department officials said on Wednesday. They said the department's office of legal counsel was drafting the opinion, which would be a shift from the position it took in 1973 under Republican President Richard Nixon that there was no personal constitutional right to own or use a gun. The letter, denounced by gun-control groups, represented a break from the government's prior position that the Second Amendment only conferred a collective right to own guns through militias, and not an individual right. The opinion will incorporate the views Ashcroft first expressed in a letter to the National Rifle Association in May. The officials said Ashcroft, an NRA member, expressed official Justice Department policy in the letter, not his personal views. In another move applauded by the NRA, Ashcroft last month announced plans to slash the amount of time the government can keep records of instant background checks for gun buyers. One official said the Justice Department would continue to defend existing gun laws in court, even after the opinion had been completed. In his letter, Ashcroft said the Second Amendment did not prohibit Congress from enacting laws restricting firearms ownership for ``compelling state interests.'' The issue of whether the Second Amendment applies to individuals is before a federal appeals court based in New Orleans, and the case could then be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court. The Second Amendment says, ``A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.'' Seth Waxman, solicitor general under Democratic President Bill Clinton, said in a letter nearly a year ago that successive Democratic and Republican administrations, the Supreme Court in 1939 and eight U.S. appeals courts had rejected arguments the Second Amendment extended firearms rights to individuals.
Re: [CTRL] Boycott everything
-Caveat Lector- Why should I sacrifice and boycott everything - boy the guy who wrote this is a real loser and wants us to suffer with him. Buy what you can afford; do without if you cannot afford it or get a credit card, run it up and go bankrupt. High utilities? With a new furnace and air conditioning unit, new roof and insulation, and brand new windows with argon gas between English Tudor panes - my utility bills are less than they were 20 years agowhat is more these improvements for which I paid cash meant no interest on same, and though somewhat costly, it increased the value of my home said mortgage burned in 1985 - it is all mine, I worked for it and I earned it - and this asshole now wants me to boycott and go without makeup and put some other guy out of work? A cop once told me how to get what you wanted with little effort; at Christmas time he was out working a 2nd job loading big semi trucks to provide a wonder Christmas for his children without going into debt; when he wanted a new car, he put in a few more hours and worked 6 moths extra job, to help pay for it - you can pay for a house in 20 years or 30 years or 15 years and save some money. But hey this idiot wants me to give up everything I cherish and my perfume and little luxuries which I enjoy like good food and good drink; should I feel guilty because someone on welfare did not have it so well?, This guy would take you down to the pits. As the wise card player knows - never lose more than you can afford to lose. So I guess it wasn't enough that Robert F. Kennedy and John F. Kennedy died virtually inservice was it - one was a war hero.high ideals. This guy targets Robert F. Kennedy, a man who tried to combat organized crime not knowing of course, their connection to the KGB and elements who would destroy this country all in the name of civil rights fights - or did he know who the Enemy Within really was. J. Edgar Hoover knew who the enemy was for the Trojan Horse within had the brand of Henry Kissinger stamped on its rear=end. This thing called Mafia hated Rober F. Kennedy who once wrote in his book about the cabalists who taught Mafia children scratching cabalistic symbols on a chalk board and one professor had written From the Garbage there blooms a rosewhich meant they were taking over the cartage businessstrange, Martin Luther King died for the sanitation workers and for dues check off.Jackson and Sharpton now very rich men wearing $1,200 suits - now these men would have made a better example - why attempt to downgrade RFK? But spare me from the company of a Born Again Loser like the idiot that wrote this piece of crap. I worked for what I have - and I am going to enjoy it and when I kick the can, my kids will smile all the way to the cemetary.leaving something of value, does brighten a dark day. Now maybe this guy should get ahold of Hill and Bill - how much is their income a year now - 8 million for a book? And this asshole is knocking Robert F. Kennedy who died for his country whle Clinton lived to put the wreath on the grave of the Unknown Soldier? Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Slobodamnation
-Caveat Lector- In article 3B4C80D1.22520.18CFEF4@localhost, kl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes -Caveat Lector- On 11 Jul 2001, at 21:53, Dr Chris R. Tame wrote: -Caveat Lector- (Snipped) What was the source of this article? http://www.nypress.com/14/28/taki/lemaitre.cfm -- Best wishes Many thanks -- Dr. Chris R. Tame, Director Libertarian Alliance| The secret of Happiness is Freedom, | 25 Chapter Chambers | and the secret of Freedom is Courage | Esterbrooke Street | Thucydides, Pericles' Funeral Oration | London SW1P 4NN England Tel: 020 7821 5502 Fax: 020 7834 2031 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LA Web Site: http://www.libertarian-alliance.com/ Free Life Web Site: http://www.whig.org.uk A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NYP: Spots In His Apartment Could Be Blood; NM: Condit Refused to Turn Over Pants With Red Mystery Stain; DRUDGE: In Plain Sight: Drop of Blood In Bathroom
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/34738.htm SPOTS IN HIS APARTMENT COULD BE BLOOD By NILES LATHEM and ANDY GELLER Associated Press ROOM WITH A CLUE? July 12, 2001 -- Detectives probing Chandra Levy's disappearance found massage oils, a long, brown hair - and two mysterious spots that could be blood - in Rep. Gary Condit's Washington apartment, police sources said last night. The sources said the hair did not come from the married California Democrat, who admitted having an affair with Levy, an attractive 24-year-old brunette who vanished May 1. The hair was sent to the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Va., for further testing, as was a Venetian blind slat that had the spots, the sources said. The discoveries were revealed as Anne Marie Smith, a flight attendant who claims Condit was her lover for 10 months, and her lawyer accused the congressman of hiding information about the missing intern. Mr. Condit is hiding a whole lot of other things besides his extramarital affairs, said the lawyer, James Robinson, adding that his client is more afraid of him than ever. Cops using high-tech equipment searched Condit's apartment for three hours, beginning shortly before midnight Tuesday and ending about 3 a.m. In addition to the hair, the massage oils and the Venetian blind slat, cops also seized a carpet sample, a bathroom canister and clothing. All but the massage oils were sent to Quantico. Meanwhile, detectives, FBI agents and federal prosecutors spent seven hours interviewing Smith, who says Condit asked her to sign an affidavit denying they had been lovers. Afterward, the flame-haired Smith told the Fox News Channel that Condit said it was OK to sign the affidavit because the case will never go to trial. Clearly, asking me to sign the affidavit kind of put a shadow on his credibility, she said. Smith, 39, who returns for more questioning today, was asked if she thought other affidavits existed from women with whom Condit may have been involved. I have a feeling there are a few floating around, she said. Smith said she believes Condit has not come clean about Levy. I think there's a lot more that he knows that he's not telling, she told Fox News Channel. Robinson, speaking later, accused Condit of living a clandestine life - hiding how he gets around Washington, how he gets around California. Asked if investigators hadn't asked the congressmen about this, the lawyer replied, From the reactions of the people in the room when my client answered the simplest of questions, they've asked him. Robinson added, As far as I'm concerned, they consider him a suspect. Chandra, who had just completed a six-month internship with the Bureau of Prisons, disappeared after telling her parents she was returning home to Modesto, Calif. Meanwhile, People magazine reports that Chandra's anguished parents reached out to a psychic who said their missing daughter is alive. _ http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2001/7/12/12042 Condit Refused to Turn Over Pants With Red Mystery Stain California congressman Gary Condit refused to give Washington, D.C., police a clothing item reportedly stained with an unidentified red-colored substance uncovered during a search of his apartment early Wednesday. Mr. Condit, 53, and his wife, Carolyn, were present, and both were polite and kept mostly to themselves, a law enforcement source told the Washington Times Thursday. But the source added that the couple refused to let them take a pair of pants that had a red stain. Additionally, Condit's attorney Abbe Lowell reportedly grew upset when the D.C. police search team discovered what appeared to be specks of blood in the living room. Mr. Lowell became angry when one technician - in an episode broadcast on television - cut a piece out of the venetian blinds because of specks 'that might possibly be blood,' the source told the Times. A drop of blood was also discovered on the floor of Condit's bathroom. The FBI lab is reportedly conducting DNA tests on the blood samples, which are expected to take at least two weeks. _ In addition, according to The Drudge Report: IN PLAIN SIGHT: DROP OF BLOOD IN BATHROOM And, according to The Washington Times: No evidence of struggle is found in search of Condit's apartment; Residence called 'cleaned all over'... During a four-hour search, crime-scene technicians took samples from one drop of blood in plain sight in the bathroom and from specks detected with special equipment in the living room...One black hair found... === Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends === A
[CTRL] WashTimes: Girl Scout Camp recruits children of lesbians
-Caveat Lector- http://asp.washtimes.com/printarticle.asp?action=printArticleID=20010712-9 6772220 The Washington Times www.washtimes.com Girl Scout Camp recruits children of lesbians By Joyce Howard Price THE WASHINGTON TIMES Published 7/12/01 A Girl Scouts site in New Jersey will be taken over next month by children of homosexuals and other parents dubbed progressive by the feminist group that will be running the two-week camp. We have a positive business relationship with the Girl Scouts council that owns the camp, and this relationship has nothing to do with sexual orientation, said Karen Miller, who is accepting applications from people wishing to serve as counselors at the Mountain Meadow Summer Camp at Newfield, N.J. The arrangement means the Girl Scouts are supporting homosexual recruitment, said Robert H. Knight, director of the Culture and Family Institute, an affiliate of Concerned Women for America. The Girl Scouts has welcomed lesbians for some time now, so it's not at all surprising that they are looking the other way as their property is being used as a recruitment camp for sexual deviants, said Mr. Knight. He added: It's clear that lesbianism is no barrier to being a role model for young girls, as far as the Girl Scouts is concerned. In contrast, the Boy Scouts have a policy of protecting boys from homosexuals. Ms. Miller says there is no reason lesbians shouldn't be role models. I do feel positive about the way the Girl Scouts has taken a public stance against discrimination, she said yesterday in a telephone interview from her office in Detroit. This will be the fourth consecutive summer that the Girl Scouts of South Jersey Pines, which owns what it calls Camp Sacajawea, has leased the property to the nonprofit group dominated by homosexuals that operates the site as Mountain Meadow. Before that, Ms. Miller said, Mountain Meadow leased campgrounds owned by other groups. One summer, she said, the camp operated on property belonging to a Boy Scouts council in Pennsylvania. Describing her group, Ms. Miller said: We're all feminists, all activists, and most of us are gays and lesbians. This is a leftist group. The Mountain Meadow Summer Camp will be in swing this year from Aug. 5 to 18 and will host 85 youngsters ages 9 to 17, said Ms. Miller. The camp is earmarked for children of homosexual, transsexual, bisexual, biracial, adoptive, single-parent and other nontraditional families. Ms. Miller said adolescents with homosexual parents have been an underserved population, who have not received the counseling necessary to deal with the teasing and harassment they receive from other children. During the last 10 years, there's been a lesbian baby boom, so younger kids have been getting much more attention, she said. Ms. Miller called the Mountain Meadow camp a really exciting place, where children with homosexual parents can feel free to be open about their family lives. Most of these kids are proud of their families, she said. Gertrude Kaczorowski, assistant executive director of the Girl Scouts of the South Jersey Pines, said that council's relationship with Mountain Meadow is strictly a landlord-tenant relationship. We've also rented the camp to five or six other groups in the past couple of years, said Mrs. Kaczorowski. She said the list includes some football teams, a sheriff's youth group and an organization that sponsors a camp for children whose parents have died. Those applying for staff positions at Mountain Meadow are asked to discuss the experiences they have had in the LGBT [lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered] community. Job applicants are given the option to answer questions about their sexual orientation. When we rent out our camp, we are not responsible for the personnel who are hired, said Mrs. Kaczorowski. Asked what the Girl Scouts require from the prospective tenant, she said, We require payment, proof of liability insurance, we require that they follow safety rules, such as allowing no weapons or alcohol on the property, and they must show a copy of their mission statement. The Girl Scouts declined to disclose how much income it receives for renting out the camp, but Ms. Miller said those who attend pay on a sliding scale. The average camper pays $250. We pay an average of $850 per child, she said. The Girl Scouts proudly proclaims its policy of nondiscrimination, and we're in a state that prohibits discrimination, Mrs. Kaczorowski said. News about the transformation of Camp Sacajawea to Mountain Meadow has been the subject of online articles by CNSNews and the American Family Association. Both mentioned a woman named Linda Oakleaf, a founding member of a group called Lesbian Avengers in Chicago. Miss Oakleaf has been active in the Girl Scouts for 15 years -- she most recently has served as a troop leader
[CTRL] Mild Physical Pressure
-Caveat Lector- Calls in Denmark to arrest designated ambassador Gillon By Nitzan Horowitz, Ha'aretz Correspondent http://www2.haaretz.co.il/breaking-news/Diplomacy/368904.stm July 11, 2001 Politicians, human rights organizations and legal experts in Copenhagen have mounted a campaign in Denmark to have Carmi Gillon, Israel's designated ambassador, arrested if he arrives in the country, after his justification of mild physical pressure (torture) when combating terrorism. Danish lawmaker Soren Sonbergaard has announced he'll complain to the Danish police, if Gillon, due to take up his post next month, arrives in Denmark. Gillon's remarks to a Danish television interviewer justifying the use of physical pressure on terrorist suspects -- a procedure banned by the Israeli High Court of Justice in 1999 -- and his suggestion Israel may need to resume the procedure, created a storm of controversy in Denmark. Representatives from most of the country's political parties have rejected his statement and say that torture of any sort can not be justified under any circumstances. The human rights groups charge that the UN treaty against torture makes clear the definition of torture and Article 6 in the document clearly states that signatories to the treaty must arrest people who conducted torture as defined by the treaty. Thus Denmark, as a signatory to the treaty, will have to take steps and arrest him, said Tue Magnussen, the international coordinator for the Danish Rehabilitation and Research Center for Torture Victims. There is no justification for torture -- not war and not terror, he added. The leading Danish daily, Brelinska, yesterday carried a front page story about the calls for Gillon's arrest. Magnussen and other activists are now doubtful that Gillon will show up in Denmark. He says he believes that Israel and Denmark will want to avoid the arrest of the former Shin Bet chief. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Bell Tolls (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- The Bell Tolls - Wed Jul 11 16:32:51 2001 http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=4363 The Bell Tolls http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/7/10/221453.shtml Phil Brennan Wednesday, July 11, 2001 ...no man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. John Donne (1572-1631) That bell is tolling for your fellow Americans in Klamath Falls, Ore. ... just as one day soon it will toll for you. And it's not joyful sounds of the Liberty Bell you'll hear, but the mournful clangs of a funerary bell tolling the death of your cherished freedoms. What do you have in common with the folks in Klamath Falls? Everything that has to do with your constitutional rights to be free of asinine and destructive restrictions imposed by a distant, out-of-control government dancing to the tune of a socialist cabal that wants to run your lives because it thinks you are too stupid to control your own destiny. If you haven't heard about what's happening in Klamath Falls, it's not surprising. The TV networks from which most of you get your news haven't seen fit to concentrate on the events there - they're too busy bringing us up to date, almost minute by minute, with the latest details about Rep. Gary Condit and his fling with the missing Chandra Levy, or touting the latest polls allegedly showing President Bush's approval ratings plunging. Anyway, what's at issue out there in the Golden West is the matter of the survival of drought-stricken farmers now threatened by Uncle Sam, who is more concerned about the welfare of the sucker fish than he is about that of living American citizens. Three months ago the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation announced it would withhold nearly 90 percent of the area's irrigation water to protect two species of endangered sucker fish. That's right - when the welfare of a breed of fish about which I'll bet you never heard of is threatened, the people be damned. The result? Catastrophe for a lot of your fellow Americans. Writing in the Seattle Times, reporter Craig Welch brilliantly described the havoc wreaked on the people in the area by the besotted members of the U.S. Congress, federal agencies and the courts. Farmland here is so dry it crumbles like old cement, but tensions in this drought-desiccated valley are boiling over. Three times in five days last week, protesters frustrated at the government's refusal to release irrigation water from nearby Upper Klamath Lake used saws or a blowtorch to open headgates and release water from behind a dam. Prompted by court decisions and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service biological opinions, the decision to cut irrigation water here affects most of the 170,000 acres served by Upper Klamath Lake, Welch wrote. While some farmers still have state water rights or private wells, and others still get water from two nearby lakes, most farms are so parched their crops have blown away and the soil may be damaged for years. Elsewhere in town, food-bank supplies are stretched. The county's mental health services are up 60 percent over the same period last year. Alfalfa prices are so high struggling cattle owners can't afford it, but hay producers short on water have no crop to sell to take advantage of the market. Work at one local hairdressers has 'dropped off like a lead sinker,' one cosmetologist said. County officials estimate some 30 wells also have gone dry, and they blame empty irrigation canals they say help recharge deep aquifers. All this to protect a so-called endangered species without which mankind could easily survive and prosper. There was a time when Americans would have rallied to help their neighbors no matter how distant geographically they might be. But aside from what amounts to a mere handful of concerned Americans - mainly members of the Wise Use movement - the response from the great mass of those of their fellow citizens who are aware of the Oregon disaster has been a yawn and a shrug of the shoulders. This kind of thing has been happening more and more frequently - Americans being denied their property rights and their livelihood to satisfy the whims and caprices of an elitist bunch of so-called environmentalists who care not a whit for their fellow humans - Marxist ideologues
[CTRL] Settlers being killed, kidnapped and robbed by Islamic militant groups demanding independence.
-Caveat Lector- Hmmmnnn... No Jews = no news. Isn't this ethnic cleansing? I've heard nothing from you about this situation? Where is the Palestinian moral outrage? Where is the Liberal outrage? Or are you all just full of it? Nurev Kashmir's evicted Hindu minority seeks its own homeland By HEMA SHUKLA Associated Press NEW DELHI, India (July 11, 2001 06:39 a.m. EDT) - Pinni Suri remembers the scene exactly - even though 11 years have passed. Dawn had just broken when two teenagers knocked on the front door of her home in the Kashmir Valley, where her Hindu ancestors had lived for centuries among the majority Muslims. Two minutes later, one of the young men shot Suri's husband in the chest. The attackers disappeared into the narrow lanes of Srinagar, Kashmir's summer capital. Muslim neighbors, watching from their window, turned away as she begged for help. They shot dead my husband on Aug. 1, 1990, and I left Srinagar the same day. I haven't gone back since, said Suri. An uncle of her husband was killed weeks later. It was a time of terrible fear among Kashmiri Pandits, Hindus indigenous to the beautiful Himalayan valley. They and Hindu settlers were being killed, kidnapped and robbed by Islamic militant groups demanding independence from India or to unite with Muslim-majority Pakistan. Between October 1989 and August 1990, some 350,000 Kashmiri Pandits fled and live mostly in squalid camps in Jammu, Kashmir's winter capital. Now as India prepares for a three-day summit starting Friday between Pakistan's Gen. Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, the Pandits are raising anew their demand for a homeland, which they say must be separate because of fears they will be targeted again. They wanted to Islamize Kashmir and they wanted us out. It was ethnic cleansing, said Ramesh Manavati, spokesman for Our Own Kashmir, an organization that says it represents more than 700,000 Kashmiri Pandits and demands an enclave in the Kashmir Valley. Thousands of Kashmiri Pandits say they feel forsaken by their government, which failed to protect them and their property. We are the forgotten ones, refugees in our own country, Manavati said. The All Party Hurriyat Conference, an umbrella group of Islamic and political parties that claims to speak for Kashmir, says the Pandits are welcome back, but a separate Pandit homeland is unacceptable. Kashmir is for all Kashmiris, says the group, which favors separation of the region from India. The Hurriyat is not in favor of division along communal (religious) lines, said Hurriyat spokesman Abdul Majid Banday. The Hurriyat has outraged the Pandits by saying that the stories of killings and intimidation were exaggerated and that the Pandit exodus was part of a government strategy to show the separatist movement in a bad light. Those who fled said the militants' method was to kill one and terrorize hundreds. Mosques blared warnings to Hindus, telling infidels to leave. Graffiti on walls said the valley was reserved for the faithful. Hindus who remained behind continue to live in fear. According to statistics compiled by The Associated Press, nearly 400 Hindus have been killed in 33 separate attacks in the past eight years. Many have been pulled out of buses and shot at close range. India accuses Islamic Pakistan of arming the Kashmir militants. Pakistan denies the charge, saying its support is only political. But most militant groups in Kashmir are based in Pakistan and run training camps for fighters under the eyes of Pakistan's government. According to the latest census completed in February, Kashmir has 6.2 million Muslims and 3.4 million Hindus, including 500,000 Kashmiri Pandits, as well as 300,000 Sikhs and 100,000 Buddhists. The displaced Hindus live safe but squalid lives in several large camps in Jammu, which is in the foothills of the Himalayas and has a Hindu majority. Extended families live in single rooms, with leaky roofs, poor ventilation and no toilets. What is here? Nothing. Mosquito bites and fear of snakes, said 65-year-old Lakshmanjoo, who uses only one name. He has been sharing a room with 10 other family members since they fled 11 years ago. My valley is beautiful. --- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.
Re: [CTRL] FC: Are underskirt cams video voyeurism or free speech? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, c. wrote: Let's start seeing some voyeuristic videos of men's privates taken when they thought they were in private... really, trust me, there is no market for men's privates in private ;) I think you underestimate women (and ignore the gay male market)... ;-) but if you are *really* curious i can mibbe stretch my webcam's cable... Thanks, I'll pass ;-) June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FR: Condit asked Levy to forego ID
-Caveat Lector- One theory that has gained little attention, but that is being pursued by authorities, according to police sources, is the possibility that enemies of Condit may have sought to set him up by abducting the young women. And who might that be? asked an incredulous Joseph DiGenova, a promient local attorney and former U.S. attorney. Is this the spin that the Democrats are putting out? If the police are pursuing that theory, then they really are wasting their time. Who knew about this relationship? No one, apparently, except him and her aunt -- and that's a rather bizarre story. DiGenova neglects the flight attendent's admission that she visited Condit's apartment in early April and discovered Levy's hair...Smith's own account mentions Levy by name, not I found a strange hair in the sink that obviously wasn't mine...Smith's own account implies that she just didn't think that Condit had a vague 'other woman', but that she indeed knew Levy and knew what Levy looked like (or at least knew what sort of hair Levy has)...either Smith knew before that time specifics regarding her 'rival', or Condit provided details at that time when Smith confronted him with Levy's hair... Either way, we have at least one other person who knew of Condit's and Levy's relationship BEFORE Levy disappeared...and this other person could conceivably have been jealous enough of Levy and angry enough at Condit to have arranged Levy's disappearance and presumed murder. Another scenario could be that Smith confronted Levy, letting the intern know that Condit had been lying to her if he'd told Levy that she was his exclusive 'other woman'...both Smith and Levy could have cooked up Levy's disappearance as a way of getting back at Condit... Of course, that would mean that either Levy's family is in on the scam, or she's callous enough not to care about causing them anguish... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Milosovic to appeal to Dutch court
-Caveat Lector- Check my weblog daily for news and updates http://leviathan.weblogs.com http://www.unison.ie/stories.php3?ca=10si=2698breakingnews=1 Milosevic to appeal to Dutch court over detention 12:57 Thursday July 12th 2001 Slobodan Milosevic is expected to tell a Dutch Court that he was handed over to and detained by the UN War Crimes illegally. Mr Milosevic is to appeal to a Dutch Court on the grounds that The Hague-based Court is illegal. Dutch law offers an unspecified remedy in cases where a person is arrested illegally and brought into the Netherlands. He was transferred from Belgrade to the Tribunal last month to face charges stemming from his crackdown against Ethnic Albanians in Kosovo two years ago. _ Get your own FREE allofyourgodsaredead.com Email account at... http://www.evilemail.com http://allofyourgodsaredead.com - Someone had to tell you. _ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dubious Reports of U.S. Concentration Camps
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/11/01 6:40:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Several years ago I went out checked on three camps in my area. They didn't exist. The old perloined letter trick. Yes, this would be good way of doing it. However, it is just as easy to take an open field, and surround it with razorwire and armed guards. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Policy Post 7.06: US Court Agrees to Hear Yahoo!'s Challenge to French Claim of Jurisdiction (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- CDT POLICY POST Volume 7, Number 6, July 11, 2001 A BRIEFING ON PUBLIC POLICY ISSUES AFFECTING CIVIL LIBERTIES ONLINE from THE CENTER FOR DEMOCRACY AND TECHNOLOGY CONTENTS: (1) US Court Agrees to Hear Yahoo!'s Challenge to French Claim of Jurisdiction (2) CDT Files Amicus Brief Highlighting Threat to Free Expression in Trans-Border Rulings (3) Foreign Courts' Exercise of Jurisdiction over Web Content Seen in Other Cases (4) Key Jurisdiction Issues Arising in Disparate Forums (1) US Court Agrees to Hear Yahoo!'s Challenge to French Claim of Jurisdiction Yahoo! has cleared a key legal hurdle as it seeks relief in US courts from a French court ruling that set a dangerous precedent for speech and commerce online. The case arises from a decision by a French court in November 2000, which ordered Yahoo! to block French users from accessing auctions -- hosted on Yahoo's US-based servers -- of Nazi paraphernalia and other items. On June 7, 2001, in the case of Yahoo! Inc. v. LICRA, a federal court in California denied a motion to dismiss Yahoo!'s request to declare the French ruling unenforceable. The California decision opened the way for the US court to take up the merits of Yahoo's claim that the French court exceeded its jurisdiction. The US court's opinion indicated that those who seek to use the foreign courts to control US-based Web sites will face legal challenges to enforcement of those judgments. The background is this: Last year, a French court ruled that Yahoo!, by allowing its Web site to be accessed from France, ran afoul of France's law criminalizing the exhibition or sale of racist materials. In spite of arguments that it would be technologically difficult to block only French users, the French court ordered Yahoo! to implement the necessary technology, or face heavy daily fines. The court specifically directed Yahoo! to re-engineer its content servers in the United States and elsewhere to enable them to recognize French Internet Protocol addresses and block their access to Nazi material. It also required Yahoo! to ask users with ambiguous IP addresses to declare their nationality when they arrive at Yahoo!'s home page or when they initiate a search using the word Nazi. After the French court's ruling, Yahoo! filed a lawsuit in the federal district court in its home district in California asking for a declaratory judgment that the foreign verdict was unenforceable in the US. Yahoo! argued that US courts should refuse to enforce the French judgment because it contravened fundamental US policy, namely, the strong protection of free speech offered by the First Amendment. Yahoo! pointed out that freedom of expression is recognized not only in the United States as a fundamental constitutional right, but also under international law. Yahoo! also argued that the French judgment conflicted with a US law that immunizes ISPs from liability for content that originates with third parties. The US court ruling and the French Yahoo! decision, translated into English, can be found at http://www.cdt.org/jurisdiction/ (2) CDT Files Amicus Brief Highlighting Threat to Free Expression in Trans-Border Rulings This may seem a little convoluted -- a US court case seeking to block a French court decision. But the issue goes to the heart of the Internet freedom: Holding Web publishers in one country liable for simply publishing material that may be considered inappropriate when viewed by citizens of another country would chill free expression and commerce on the Internet. Online speech and commerce cannot be open and vibrant if governments can extend jurisdiction over foreign-hosted content. The French Yahoo! ruling jeopardizes the Internet's unique ability to support free expression and other democratic values. Most countries have laws controlling some kinds of speech, but these laws vary widely based on culture. From country to country, prohibitions may cover sexually-explicit materials, hate speech, blasphemy, libel, certain kinds of advertising, national security information, or criticism of government officials. When countries attempt to control content on the Internet by applying their domestic laws to speech originating outside of their country, the threat to freedom of expression is real. Imagine if every Web site were subject to the laws of all 180 countries in the world. Ironically, it would be the voices from poorer countries that might be stifled the most, as small creators of content would find it impossible to comply with so many different laws. Making these arguments, CDT filed a friend of the court brief in support of Yahoo!, joined by the American Association of Publishers, the Freedom to Read Foundation, the ACLU, Human Rights Watch, People for the American Way, the Society of Professional Journalists, and others. CDT is following
Re: [CTRL] Conspiracist Jim Marrs Revealed
Hi Bill, It's notMarrs' INTERPRETATIONS that are the problem, but in every simple biographic detail in this book Mars shows he is confused. He mistakes the name of universities, misinterprets the simple character of the official jobs that men in his book have, let alone their "secret" activities, gets birthdates, nation of origin, parents' names and generation, all wrong, every simple thing. In several places details show me what source book he used, yet he misunderstood crucial details of the narrative in his source and garbles them in his recounting. He shows himself to have become, at least in this book, very careless aboutverifying his details, which much be accurate if the theories he builds ON these details are to stand. Instead, many of the details of his theories seem to turn upon his reading problems. If someone wrote a grand book reinterpreting the American Civil War, but when you read it you found that Robert E. Lee had somehow become a native ofChina and the ancestor of Henry Lee, and the author seemed very credulous about this, using as "documentation" the vast number of Chinese surnamed Lee, would you trust his discernment and reasoning on other points? What about if his book was full of these clunkers? This book was published as a popular volume, designed for an audience whose life focues is not academic. There are a number of carefully written discussions of the New World Order and its details that are worth reading, and won't cheat the reader's hope to gain a larger understanding . I like Jim Marrs, and I regret that in its present formhis book is not one of these. Jenny Decker - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Conspiracist Jim Marrs Revealed In a message dated 7/11/01 12:37:36 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rule by Secrecy, on the other hand, was so rife with misreadings of the original texts (which as an academic historian I have first-hand familiarity with), that most of its assertions are based on falsity, at least mistaken understanding. Well if you go by the traditional history books I suppose this would be correct, his deal is digging deeper and seeking alternative sources for the hidden history of our planet and in that regard I think Rule By Secrecy is a good, if rudimentary introduction to conspiracy theory and parahistory. Bill.
[CTRL] Fwd: Review of The Guru Papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power
http://www.rit.org/reviews/guru_ppr.html The Guru Papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power by Joel Kramer and Diana Alstad reviewed by Sharon Presley Don't be fooled by the title. More than just a book about gurus, it is in fact a profoundly important philosophical/psychological critique of the covert authoritarianism not only in most religions, both Eastern and Western, but in many allegedly secular cultural values. At the heart of most religions, assert Kramer and Alstad, is a morality of self-sacrifice that proceeds from what they call the renunciate world view. This view is authoritarian, they argue, because it claims that being good means sacrificing self-interest to some higher interest, which the authority conveniently defines. This allows the guru, Church or State to control the followers or citizens. In addition to the guru phenomenon, the authors' examination of how self-sacrifice is used as a tool of control includes fundamentalist religions, Buddhism, the concept of unconditional love, the 12-step addiction program, and even conventional parenting. Many people are deeply conditioned, say Kramer and Alstad, to expect that some outside agency, power or person will somehow solve their problems. Looking for saviors, or holders of wisdom, as the way to lead humanity (or oneself) to salvation or survival has been ingrained into the old order...Behind much of the appeal of such authority is the essentially childish hope of external and magical answers to the existential problems and fears around living and dying. What the authors are calling for is a profound change in the basic philosophy of our culture. They argue for a morality that can develop the whole person through integrating and valuing both sides of the divided self, the spiritual and the carnal, the selfless and the self-centered, the compassionate and the egotistic. The old paradigms, conclude Kramer and Alstad, all have some authority - be it leader, wise man, guru, avatar, representative of god, or prophet - telling the rest of us what life is about and how to lead it ...How to replace the old methodology that we are outgrowing is a major issue facing humanity. This book is an important step in that direction. http://www.rit.org/reviews/guru_ppr.html
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: California 'Bohemian Grove' protest builds
radman [EMAIL PROTECTED] California 'Bohemian Grove' protest builds - Via Workers World News Service Reprinted from the July 12, 2001 issue of Workers World newspaper - CALIFORNIA PROTEST BUILDS BOHEMIAN GROVE: THEY DON'T JUST PLAY IN THE WOODS By Deirdre Griswold How are the big decisions really made? The story is that we live in a transparent society where elected bodies make the decisions and the will of the majority prevails. But in real life most important events have been set into motion long before the people know anything about it. The Vietnam War, for example. Most people in the United States knew nothing about Vietnam--hadn't even heard of it-- when the government had already been involved in a war there for years. Who decided that the United States should make atomic weapons and drop them on two Japanese cities, killing several hundred thousand people? Not the public. They knew nothing about it. But a select group of corporate heads, political leaders and technocrats knew about it. In fact, the Manhattan Project to create the atomic bomb was agreed on during a super-secret conclave in 1942--at Bohemian Grove, Calif. This July 14, thousands of demonstrators will converge on Bohemian Grove when, once again, the members of this secret society gather for their annual two-week bash. There are 2,500 members of the Bohemian Club--all men, 99 percent white, all connected to the very rich. Every Republican president since Herbert Hoover has been a member, and quite a few Democrats. George W. Bush belongs, just like his father, George, and his grandfather, Prescott Bush. Heads of corporations and banks like IBM, Dupont, General Electric, Bank of America and the World Bank have also been members. Peter Phillips of Sonoma State University wrote in his 1994 dissertation about the Bohemian Club: About one- fifth of the members are either directors of one or more of the Fortune 1000 companies, corporate CEOs, top governmental officials (current and former) and/or members of important policy councils or major foundations. The International Action Center chapters in San Francisco and Los Angeles are among the sponsors of this year's demonstration, which has a long list of endorsers from the progressive and anti-globalization community. Contact the IAC at (415) 821-5782 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] for information on buses to Monte Rio, Calif., where the demonstration will take place. -- PEACE! Bay_Area_Activist list info: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bay_area_activist Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bay_area_activist/messages Calendar: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bay_area_activist/calendar List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WHEN SPIDERS UNITE, THEY CAN TIE DOWN A LION -- Ethiopian Proverb --- Via Bay_Area_Activist list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bay_area_activist --- --- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml --- -- Search /RENEGADE/ for articles that mention Bohemian Grove - http://fornits.com/renegade/peaars.cgi?keywords=bohemian+grovehow=phrase SEE ALSO: http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.org/bohos/bohoindx.html Peace! *STRIDER* Sector Air Raid Warden at /RENEGADE/ http://fornits.com/renegade/ DEDICATED TO SPIRIT, TRUTH, PEACE, JUSTICE, AND FREEDOM e-list info: http://fornits.com/renegade/peaars.cgi?fetch=3763 chat: http://jupiter.beseen.com/chat/rooms/i/1055/ usenet: news:misc.activism.progressive e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WHEN SPIDERS UNITE, THEY CAN TIE DOWN A LION -- Ethiopian Proverb Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [CTRL] Conspiracist Jim Marrs Revealed
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Conspiracist Jim Marrs Revealed Well if you go by the traditional history books I suppose this would be correct, his deal is digging deeper and seeking alternative sources for the hidden history of our planet and in that regard I think Rule By Secrecy is a good, if rudimentary introduction to conspiracy theory and parahistory. Not to be too picky, but I have to ask, WHOSE traditional history books? Sounding like a broken record I will repeat that Japanese history books DO NOT teach children that the dropping of bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a good thing because it saved lives of Allied soldiers. MY history books taught me that. Whose history is correct? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [American_Liberty] Gold Seeks Role As Currency of E-Commerce
[Note from Matthew Gaylor: I've met Douglas Jackson, who gave up his lucrative medical practice to start e-gold, he's an MD. I've been to their headquarters and I've inspected one of their vaults where the gold is kept (And no I won't tell you where that might be). I use e-gold myself on occasion and it has been very handy from ordering magazine subscriptions http://magazinedepot.com/ to oversea transactions . My e-gold acct# 101893 for those who want to test it out by giving me Gold grin.] http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010710/wr/markets_internet_gold_dc_1.html Tech Headlines Tuesday July 10 1:38 PM ET Gold Seeks Role As Currency of E-Commerce By Steve Hays LONDON (Reuters) - World markets need a digital currency that is independent of national economies, and gold is already showing it fits that bill, a dot.com firm based on the Caribbean island of Nevis says. ``In the past there wasn't enough gold to finance wars, but there's more than enough around now to finance commercial transactions,'' Douglas Jackson, president and chief executive of e-gold Ltd, told Reuters on Tuesday. Jackson said the firm turned gold into an online currency and started up its e-gold system (www.e-gold.com) in November, 1996, since when 3.2 million transactions had been conducted via the network. Jackson said each unit of e-gold as a digital currency was backed by an equivalent weight in gold metal held in secure third-party vaults. That meant there was no credit risk or contingent liability in using e-gold for any transactions. A Canadian, for example, can pay a German the correct weight of gold for goods or services as easily as if the price had been quoted in a national currency. INTERNET PENETRATION Most deals had been done by small businesses in the United States, Canada, the UK and Australia that could not afford to wait weeks to receive funds from credit card transactions or were not in the credit card system. ``We've also seen interest from areas where there are weak currencies and good internet penetration, particularly Malaysia and New Zealand,'' he added. BANKS COULD MOBILISE RESERVES Jackson is in London to discuss using e-gold for bullion banks to settle business among themselves. He said a digital currency also offered central banks a way to mobilize their gold reserves. ``The central banks, and the IMF, are sitting there with thousands of tons of gold as a major part of their assets, but they can't be used for capital transactions.'' [...] ** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ** Evolution beyond the moral and intellectual fraud of politics. You *will* read the entire website *before* contributing! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/American_Liberty/files/al.htm To post, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit site. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [CTRL] WP: Minister Says Daughter, at 18, Had an Affair With Condit
-Caveat Lector- Thomas said the relationship took place about seven years ago and that it ended in a tense breakup initiated by his daughter. Thomas said he decided to describe his daughter's account to FBI agent Todd M. Irinaga because he learned that the relationship was discussed by Levy and Condit in April, about two weeks before the 24-year-old intern was last seen. Hm Okay, let's look at the timeline... Sometime in 'early April', the flight attendent Anna Marie Smith visits Condit at his apartment and discovers a strange hair (or two or three or more). Smith immediately recognizes that the hair is a woman's, and not Smith's. Smith now openly states that she discovered Levy's hair, whom she supposedly didn't know about...Smith has also said that during her 10-month affair with Condit that she had a 'vague feeling' that she wasn't his only chippy, but didn't know any details. But then she turns around and names Levy by name as the owner of the hair Smith finds in Condit's apartment; either Smith is lying about not knowing details of Condit's other affair(s) prior to that date, or Condit provided details regarding Levy at that time. Now according to Thomas, Levy confronts Condit sometime around the middle of April regarding his relationship some 7 years previously with Thomas' daughter. One presumes that Levy confronted Condit about this because why would it take so long for the subject to arise, if Condit had been open about his other relationships? It seems highly unlikely that the 2 discussed this subject as part of 'sweet pillow talk'... One has to wonder HOW Levy suddenly found out about at least one other illicit relationship of Condit's...and if the mid-April 'discussion' of the matter had anything to do with Levy's internship suddenly ending... So again, one wonders if perhaps Smith sought out her rival to let her know about Condit's relationships with many other women. If Condit had told Levy that she was the only one he was seeing or had ever had an affair with, Levy could have presumably been very hurt, disappointed, and angry...angry enough to have confronted him about a week after Smith's discovery of Levy's hair in Condit's apartment. This is all conjecture...but the timing of the events seems a tad coincidental... Thomas's account of his daughter's affair with Condit has been known to the Levy family since mid-April, before Chandra disappeared. By then, the Levy family knew Chandra was having a relationship with the congressman, according to family members. Again, one has to wonder why, after being so adherent to the secrecy rule, Levy suddenly decided to let family members know the name of her paramour in mid-April, about a week after Smith's visit to Condit. At the Levy house that day, Thomas said he and Susan Levy talked about Condit, gingerly at first. Then Mrs. Levy asked me if I've ever heard anything about him and other women, Thomas said. The two eventually confessed to one another that both their daughters had relationships with Condit. I told Mrs. Levy that with my daughter, it ended badly, that I think her daughter should end the relationship with him right away, Thomas said. So again, going back to the timeline: 1. Sometime in early April, Smith discovers Levy's hair in Condit's apartment, hair which she now states without equivocation belonged to Levy; either Smith knew about Levy before that point or Condit provides details on that date. Smith also states that she became very frightened and concerned for her own safety on this date, ostensibly due to seeing a couple of ties tied together. I suspect something 'else' or 'more' made Smith fearful for her life than just seeing the ties, although discussion brought about by her asking about the ties probably revealed the something 'else' or 'more' that suddenly made her afraid, where she hadn't been afraid before... 2. About a week later, Chandra Levy 'talks with Condit' about an affair he had with Minister Thomas' daughter some 7 years before; about this same time she reveals to her parents the long-secret name of her lover, and Susan Levy goes on a 'fishing expedition' with her gardener, who just happens to be the father of the girl Levy 'talks with Condit' about around the same time... I suspect that Smith confronted Levy and provided details of Condit's other affairs, information Smith very likely gained the week before when she confronted Condit over the strange woman's hair she found, and those tied-up ties... Either Condit named more names than Levy's to Smith, including the Thomas girl, and Smith than gave that name to Levy (One can imagine Smith perhaps telling Levy Wake up and smell the coffee! You and I weren't the only ones he's fooled around with, he's had affairs with..., at which time she named names, one of whom Levy recognizes as the daughter of her mother's gardener; Levy confronts Condit with the info, and probably his response was 'unsatisfactory' to her, so she calls her
Re: [CTRL] The Bell Tolls
-Caveat Lector- so now employment is more important than the wiping out of entire species? eco-system be damned, full speed ahead? people can find work, there are other sources of water - as of yet endangered species have no recourse to return. if you kill the fish, you kill the animals that live on the fish (and the animals that live on them in a growing spiral outwards), and cause a population boon in the animals that the fish eat, which in many cases are harmful pests. people are not the whole of the planet Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:32:55 -0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] The Bell Tolls (fwd) -Caveat Lector- The Bell Tolls - Wed Jul 11 16:32:51 2001 http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=4363 The Bell Tolls http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/7/10/221453.shtml Phil Brennan Wednesday, July 11, 2001 ...no man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. John Donne (1572-1631) That bell is tolling for your fellow Americans in Klamath Falls, Ore. ... just as one day soon it will toll for you. And it's not joyful sounds of the Liberty Bell you'll hear, but the mournful clangs of a funerary bell tolling the death of your cherished freedoms. What do you have in common with the folks in Klamath Falls? Everything that has to do with your constitutional rights to be free of asinine and destructive restrictions imposed by a distant, out-of-control government dancing to the tune of a socialist cabal that wants to run your lives because it thinks you are too stupid to control your own destiny. If you haven't heard about what's happening in Klamath Falls, it's not surprising. The TV networks from which most of you get your news haven't seen fit to concentrate on the events there - they're too busy bringing us up to date, almost minute by minute, with the latest details about Rep. Gary Condit and his fling with the missing Chandra Levy, or touting the latest polls allegedly showing President Bush's approval ratings plunging. Anyway, what's at issue out there in the Golden West is the matter of the survival of drought-stricken farmers now threatened by Uncle Sam, who is more concerned about the welfare of the sucker fish than he is about that of living American citizens. Three months ago the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation announced it would withhold nearly 90 percent of the area's irrigation water to protect two species of endangered sucker fish. That's right - when the welfare of a breed of fish about which I'll bet you never heard of is threatened, the people be damned. The result? Catastrophe for a lot of your fellow Americans. Writing in the Seattle Times, reporter Craig Welch brilliantly described the havoc wreaked on the people in the area by the besotted members of the U.S. Congress, federal agencies and the courts. Farmland here is so dry it crumbles like old cement, but tensions in this drought-desiccated valley are boiling over. Three times in five days last week, protesters frustrated at the government's refusal to release irrigation water from nearby Upper Klamath Lake used saws or a blowtorch to open headgates and release water from behind a dam. Prompted by court decisions and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service biological opinions, the decision to cut irrigation water here affects most of the 170,000 acres served by Upper Klamath Lake, Welch wrote. While some farmers still have state water rights or private wells, and others still get water from two nearby lakes, most farms are so parched their crops have blown away and the soil may be damaged for years. Elsewhere in town, food-bank supplies are stretched. The county's mental health services are up 60 percent over the same period last year. Alfalfa prices are so high struggling cattle owners can't afford it, but hay producers short on water have no crop to sell to take advantage of the market. Work at one local hairdressers has 'dropped off like a lead sinker,' one cosmetologist said. County officials estimate some 30 wells also have gone dry, and they blame empty irrigation canals they say help recharge deep aquifers. All this to protect a so-called endangered species without which mankind could easily survive and prosper. There was a time when Americans would have rallied to help
Re: [CTRL] Civil Rights Not meant for White Men?
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: George Bush - go get this old bat. From: Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's not a very nice thing to say about Amelia June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WashTimes: Girl Scout Camp recruits children of lesbians
-Caveat Lector- so now we support discrimination based on sexuality? this is essentially a religious standpoint. and not everyone accepts this religious dogma so readily. Some people don't think someone else's sexuality is a threat, nor does it make them deviant, nor dangerous. My children don't need to be protected from homosexuals, they need to be protected from intolerant religious fuckers who want to take freedom to think and decide about morality for themselves, away from them Free your mind and your ass will follow. St George NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: MIKE SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:18:18 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] WashTimes: Girl Scout Camp recruits children of lesbians The Girl Scouts has welcomed lesbians for some time now, so it's not at all surprising that they are looking the other way as their property is being used as a recruitment camp for sexual deviants, said Mr. Knight. He added: It's clear that lesbianism is no barrier to being a role model for young girls, as far as the Girl Scouts is concerned. In contrast, the Boy Scouts have a policy of protecting boys from homosexuals. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Asa Hutchinson hearing date set
Thursday, July 12, 2001Asa Hutchinson hearing date set ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE WASHINGTON -- The Senate Judiciary Committee will consider theappointment of Rep. Asa Hutchinson to be the next head of the DrugEnforcement Administration on Tuesday. The confirmation hearing date had been in limbo for weeks becauseof the failure of Democrats and Republicans to agree on the makeup ofSenate committees after the chamber shifted into Democratic controllast month. The White House announced Hutchinson's appointment on May 9. The 50-year-old third-term Arkansas congressman had said he wouldnot leave his House seat until confirmed by the Senate. Arkansas Gov.Mike Huckabee is expected to call a special election for the 3rdCongressional District seat once that happens. The office of Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, chairman of theJudiciary Committee, has signaled that it expects little problem withHutchinson's appointment. Copyright © 2001, Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, Inc. All rightsreserved. Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[CTRL] FEAR: Prosecutor to Get Dead Man's Money
-Caveat Lector- http://news.findlaw.com/ap/o/1110/7-10-2001/20010710143230380.html Thursday, July 12, 2001 Prosecutor to Get Dead Man's Money NEW YORK (AP) _ The estate of a man who committed suicide in jail while being held on drug charges has been ordered to pay $750,000 to the Nassau County district attorney's office. The ruling, part of a settlement in a civil forfeiture case, was the first in the state in which a prosecutor sought assets from a dead person, Newsday reported Tuesday. State law allows prosecutors to seize money from convicted felons if it can be established that the money was obtained illegally, said Rick Henshaw, spokesman for District Attorney Denis Dillon. Robert Vorbeck, 38, was arrested July 2, 1999, for allegedly selling cocaine to undercover officers, and committed suicide in his county jail cell 11 days later. He had faced life in prison if convicted of felony drug charges. The attorney for his estate, Steven Kessler, said Vorbeck's parents wanted to settle. ``They just wanted to put this behind them, move on and grieve,'' Kessler said. AP-NY-07-10-01 1046EDT -- Best wishes Big Business and State Socialism are very much alike, especially Big Business. - G. K. Chesterton, G.K.'s Weekly, 4/10/26 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] There Goes the Neighborhood
-Caveat Lector- Remember the white farmers who were slaughtered in Zimbawee - and then consider the UN wants to disarm the USA.. Wonder if this band of wanderers will somehow make it to our shores? Wonder how many are afflicted with AIDS - and oh so toilet conscience? Imagine all those people wandering about with no bathroom facilities and wonder from where disease originates. Back in 1839 in Columbus, Ohio - chlorea hit - Indians and settlers used to live side by side peacefully in those days and of course, outdoor facilities no doubt were polluting the water. So the first sewage plant was built. Wonder why Africa is so poor his land of diamonds, rubies, and gold and uranium - where you find gold you always find uranium - why are the people so poor - so now will they kill the last of the white farmers and die as Clinton would say - murder themselves? Will Africa also offer Right of Return - for at lest our Indians are still here, aren't they. Deposed, yes - but after all they too were emmigrants but failed to establish courts of law other than war tribunals to decide land disputes? So as is written in this maudlin story we see the fruits of black liberation - did anybody every think of building high rise apartments wth some of that UN money or Aid we shell out - but then as of late our poor get crumbs from Henry's table? 9 million kids go to bed hungry at night in this land of Clinton and Plenty). Try to imagine our suburbs without guns? See why some even want to be like Israelis packing Uzis - for how long would there be a state of Israel without their guns - we in the USA wawnt this same right - for our African neighbors seem to be having migration problems? Saba Welcome, saba22 Sign Up for Newsletters | Log OutGo to Advanced Search July 12, 2001 South Africa Confronts Landless Poor, and a Court Sends Them Packing By RACHEL L. SWARNS Joao Silva for The New York Times Two of the illegal land occupiers in Bredell taking apart their shelter. The Pretoria High Court has ruled that the people must vacate the land. East of Johannesburg, in Bredell, Freda Masemola and her son Kagiso are among several thousand occupiers of land who are facing eviction. JOHANNESBURG, July 11 The invaders came to the wasteland by the hundreds two weeks ago, dragging splintering planks, rusting metal sheets and wilting squares of cardboard. They ignored the power cables humming dangerously overhead and the brackish stream, green and undrinkable, the only source of water on Elandsfontein Farm No. 412. Some hung curtains in their hastily built shacks. Others rolled out rugs on the rocky red soil. Here, in the ragged stretch of land owned by government agencies and a private farmer, the poor believed they were finally tasting the fruits of black liberation. With all the space here, you can make a toilet, said Mebrone Ndlovu, 17, dusty and desperate as he hacked the tall grass this week, his eyes shining hopefully as he surveyed the sprouting shantytown. You can make it so everyone has a toilet. [What about obviouis land pollution and disease of property so conaminated - saba note] This week, South Africa won a court order allowing it to forcibly evict the intruders, who were lured here from an overcrowded township by opposition party politicians promising plots of land for only $3. Today, some squatters began pulling down their shacks, while others vowed to fight the police, who plan to level the illegal settlement on Thursday. South Africa, which has anxiously watched land invasions roil neighboring Zimbabwe, is now confronting its own landless citizens at the edge of its biggest city. Demanding their due, the impoverished intruders, encamped just a short drive from the nation's largest airport, have sent alarms sounding across a region still striving to make good on its promises to improve the lot of ordinary blacks. [a lot of ordinary blacks - well they said that, not me.see Cincinnati, Ohio =- Saba Note] Officials say they have drawn a clear line: the new South Africa will provide land to its poor, but it will not tolerate the kind of illegal farm occupations that have been supported by Zimbabwe's government. Still, the standoff has highlighted a degree of land hunger that had simmered largely unnoticed here. The invasion on the outskirts of Johannesburg is only one of several occupations to wash quietly over South Africa and Namibia, two stable countries haunted by the legacy of colonial land seizures and what many blacks here describe as the unfinished business of liberation. The frustration of the landless reflects the difficulties faced by the two governments in meeting the needs of people desperate for land and housing. Twenty-one years after the first black leader in the region swept to power with promises of returning land to the dispossessed, the black majorities in Zimbabwe, Namibia and South Africa have control of the ballot box, but not the soil. Legal
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] FW: WHAT'S NEXT: Through the Looking Glass, to Holographic Data Storage
Off topic. but I just found this so interesting. Madd Maxx- -Original Message- From: R. J. Tavel, JD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 6:50 AM To: Learning Electronically About Freedom mailing service Subject: WHAT'S NEXT: Through the Looking Glass, to Holographic Data Storage http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/12/technology/circuits/12NEXT.html STORAGE space is tight these days, and not just in cramped New York apartments. Home dwellers anywhere might be delighted to stow the 10 years' worth of receipts, canceled checks and tax records clogging their files in a space no bigger than an ice cube. Hospitals, insurance companies, banks and department stores might also appreciate storage that compact for their vast databases. Now two researchers from Canada and Spain have devised a glass-based material that they say may one day safely store huge amounts of data in just such small spaces. The new, glassy medium is not magnetic, like the hard drive in a computer, but holographic. Holography is an optical process that stores not only three-dimensional images like the familiar ones found on credit cards and CD packages but the 0's and 1's of digital data as well. Because the data can be recorded and retrieved at hundreds of angles within a storage material rather than just on the surface, page after page can be stored on material an inch thick. But although the space-saving advantages of holography have been known for four decades, manufacturers have not been able to produce an affordable holographic data storage system. We have had no commercial product, mainly for the lack of a good storage medium, said Prof. Glenn T. Sincerbox, director of the Optical Data Storage Center at the University of Arizona in Tucson. The new material may change all that, offering the possibility of practical holographic read-only storage for the first time. The new medium, basically a glass matrix shot through with tiny holes, was devised by Dr. María Luisa Calvo, chairman of the optics department at Complutense University in Madrid, and Pavel Cheben, a scientist at Optemia Inc., a new photonics company in Ottawa. The material is based on the inventors' adaptation of an old-fashioned way of making glass called the sol-gel method. In this process, glass is created not by melting sand at high temperatures and letting it cool, but by working with liquid precursors to the glass at room temperature. Dr. Cheben said that the method made it possible to add the photosensitive chemicals critical for holography without their being destroyed as they would be by the high temperatures used in conventional glass preparation. The ingot of glass appears to be solid, but there are small holes within, Dr. Cheben said. These holes are filled with liquid acrylic and the photo-initiator we added. In the researchers' experiments, the mixture of glass and photosensitive chemicals was poured into vials and left to dry for 10 days. The material can be made into any shape, but it was easier in these early experiments to work with one- to two-centimeter discs, said Dr. Cheben. After 10 days the material was polished and then put through the holographic process. In a conventional hologram of an object, a fine-resolution photosensitive film is exposed to a laser beam that has been split in two. One of the beams is reflected off the object while the other travels unimpeded to the film. The light waves from the two sources interfere with each other, and the image of the object is recorded in this interference pattern. In the holographic storage experiments, a simpler interference pattern, of light and dark stripes, was recorded onto the photosensitive material in the glass. (Once the hologram is recorded it cannot be erased, which is why the medium is intended for write-once, read-many-times applications.) So far, Dr. Cheben said, the glass-based material has retained the imprinted information perfectly for a year. The glass backbone of the storage system offers certain advantages over the plastic polymer matrixes that are currently being developed for holographic storage. These plastic materials tend to shrink during the process, corrupting the data. The new glass structures remain rigid. The key problem with polymeric matrixes for holographic storage, said Dr. Sincerbox, is that they tend to get thinner during the process. The new material controls shrinkage to far less than 1 percent, he said. The glassy material lends itself to production in thick slabs, significant because the thicker the holographic material, the more information it can store. Typical thicknesses range from half a millimeter to five millimeters. The test will be how the material performs when the laser beams are not ordinary ones, as they were in the experiments reported by the authors, but are actually bearing data. To carry data, one of the beams would have a pattern imposed on it: either an image, or a checkerboard of light and dark
[CTRL] Fwd: COOKIE MONSTER
COOKIE MONSTER Despite an October 2000 Presidential Executive Order, the U.S. Postal Service continues to collect cookies from users of its usps.gov web site. Cookies should not be used unless there is clear and conspicuous notice, a compelling need to gather the data on the site; appropriate and publicly disclosed privacy safeguards for handling of information derived from cookies; and personal approval by the head of the agency, wrote Sally Katzen, the Deputy Director of the Executive Office of the President in a October 19 letter. The U.S. Postal Service webmaster has so far elected not to respond to our questions concerning the collection of privacy information from USPS internet customers. XP INSIDE Microsoft requires all users of XP to activate the software on-line or over the telephone. During XP activation, Microsoft downloads your hard drive volume serial number, the network card address and the ID string on your CD-ROM. Researchers concluded the data does not pose a privacy threat since the hardware ID numbers are not usually tagged back to a specific person. Although individual users may not have a problem with sending this data to MS, Federal Government and corporate users are upset because the data can be used for intelligence and marketing purposes. Pcyphered SIGNATURE: 583E8C03D40D6477C9940D0444399645D7B733D8E4AF87033AA4C564E61C2148 E40A0A4FB200ACFF05DF9D08FAE933651506687E4090DE052F5FE7FE124E4234 99B7880E19D2CD7A
Re: [CTRL] Civil Rights Not meant for White Men?
-Caveat Lector- That was directed to you June.maybe I should have painted a little red arrow to your overstuffed computer chair? Go back to your dog pound and fight with the pit bulls.. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Bell Tolls
-Caveat Lector- people can find work, there are other sources of water If there are other sources of water then why didn't the environmentalists exploit these sources and thereby prevent the 'drought' from occurring? With a little foresight and compassion for the farmer's position this situation could have been avoided if these other sources were shown to be viable options. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Sonoma County Free Press - Bohemian Grove March, Rally, Line of Shame Resurrection of Care Ceremony
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.org/ Click Here: A HREF=http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.org/;Sonoma County Free Press/A - In the fall of 1986, law enforcement officers in helicopters and full military gear laid seige to the small community of Cazadero in western Sonoma County, California ... W e l c o m et o t h e You get your information from the daily press. Yet that is the very last place on earth to seek for truth in any state of form. Emma Goldman March 1, 1933 Special Event! Bohemian Grove March, Rally, Line of Shame Resurrection of Care Ceremony 2:00 P.M. Saturday July 14th - Assemble At Monte Rio Parking Lot Across from Rio Theater Sponsered by: Bohemian Grove Action Network; International Indian Treaty Council, S.F.; International Action Center, S.F. Bohemian Grove Action Network is researching Yale's Skull and Bones Society and the bizarre rituals in which three generations of Bush men have participated. Help with research is needed and much appreciated. Norman Solomon's weekly syndicated column is now appearing in the Sonoma County Free Press Regular Columns Ongoing Features Norman Solomon Norman Solomon's weekly syndicated column -- archived at www.fair.org/media-beat/ -- focuses on media and politics. His latest book is The Habits of Highly Deceptive Media. Media All-Star Team Bohemian Grove Action Network The rich and powerful come to play in our backyard Check out this link to CounterPunch Meet the Secret Rulers of the World: The Truth About The Bohemian Grove By Alexander Cockburn San Francisco Bohemian Club: Power, Prestige and Globalism By Peter Phillips Where are they Hiding Geronimo's Skull? by Tim Giago, Lakota Nation Journal, Winter 2000 Geronimo's Skull - a Bush Connection? by Dennis Roddy, Pittsburgh Post Gazette, September, 2000 - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bohemians
-Caveat Lector- Click Here: A HREF=http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.org/bohos/bohoenergy.html;The Power Crisis/A - Mary Moore's Bohemian Grove BOHEMIAN CLUB AND THE POWER CRISIS by Don Eichelberger, Abalone Alliance Safe Energy Clearinghouse July 2000 In the midst of the California power crisis we are hearing alot of talk about taking another look at nuclear power as a solution to the crisis. Let's take a look at what all of this could mean to the boys at Bohemian Grove. When we look for power connections to Bohemian Grove all roads lead to the Bechtels. Stephen Bechtel Sr. joined the Bohemian Club in the company's early days. His son, Stephen Jr. continues to revel at the Groves summer encampments. Bechtel built the world's largest independently owned construction empire while hobnobbing with his pals at the exclusive Mandalay camp. Mandalay is the most prestigious camp in Bohemian Grove which is considered one of the most prestigious mens' gatherings on Earth. Mandalay includes many industrialists, including Henry Kaiser, builder of war ships, Leonard Firestone, Edmund W. Littlefield and many other corporate CEOs. It also includes ex CIA chief John McCone and major politicos such as Henry Kissinger, Gerald Ford and George Schultz and William French Smith. Bechtel builds infrastructure such as roads, bridges and power plants including nuclear. No project is too big. After Bohemian George Bush (the senior) oversaw the destruction of Kuwait during the Gulf War it was Bechtel who won the contract to rebuild it. When Fellow Bohemian Frederick Mielke Jr., then CEO of PGE Corporation ran into engineering problems in the final construction phase of Diable Canyon nuclear power plant, he ran to Bechtel to fix it and get it on line. Bechtel will go anywhere to build anything for anyone. That is a company motto. With fellow Bohemian Donald Rumsfeld, now Secretary of Defense under George Bush the younger, pushing the old Star Wars missile defense (an idea originally floated at a Lakeside Talk at Bohemian Grove in the early 1980's) can Bechtel be far behind? They already have space experience having helped build part of the infrastructure for the space shuttle. Rumsfeld, by the way, is a campmate (Hillbillies) of George Sr. along with A.W. Clausen (past president of Bank of America and World Bank), William Buckley Jr. and sorry to say, America's most trusted man Walter Cronkite. And given the current energy crisis Bechtel is cleaning up in the construction of new power generators all over the country as well as the world. With Bush the younger's administration pushing for more nuclear power, more pipelines and more oil refineries the Bechtel Corporation is situated to amass more billions for the family business. Of course there are other Bohemians who cash in on bad ideas like space wars and nuclear power. Bankers and builders and bondsmen inhabit the redwood canopy of Bohemian Grove each summer. Despite the clubs admonition to the contrary, these men weave webs among themselves to keep the status quo in operation so they can make a bit more money while extending their economic stranglehold in a few more parts of the world. Should we care that a few hundred of the most powerful men in the world get together every year in secret for a party in the redwoods? We think people should. We can look at the current globalization of corporations and homogenization of world cultures and wonder how it is all happening. But exposing the men personally who make the deals and build the mechanisms for holding onto their power is crucial to true understanding of how we can intercede on behalf of the common good to bring down that power structure. Be realistic! Demand the impossible!! * * * = Bohemian Grove by Mary Moore BOHEMIAN GROVE ENCAMPMENT 2000 SCHEDULE OF LAKESIDE TALKS Update, July 2000 This is a PARTIAL list of speakers at Bohemian Grove's two week encampment, July 14 to July 30, 2000. It comes from their Program of Events and is brought to you without snide editorial comment. Lists of past years are also available Friday, July 14 Art Linkletter Successful Aging-Getting the Most Out of the Rest of Your Life Saturday, July 15 Ken Jowitt Communists, Democracy and Golf Saturday July 15 Evening The 121st staging of the CREMATION OF DULL CARE Sunday, July 16 John M. Barry, Writer Scholar The Power of Rivers and Men: The Mississippi Flood, Presidential Politics and Herbert Hoover Tuesday, July 18 James R. Lilley, Former Ambassador to China and Korea China, Taiwan the U.S. in the 21st Century Wednesday, July 19 William Davidow, Author Venture Capitalist The Internet, Interconnections, Instability and Policy Thursday, July 20 John Keegan, Military Historian Topic to be announced Friday, July 21 Martin Anderson, Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution Status of Missile Defense Saturday, July 22 John Major, Former Prime Minister of U.K. World
[CTRL] Bohemian Grove Films
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.org/bohos/films.html Click Here: A HREF=http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.org/bohos/films.html; Bohemian Grove Films/A - Bohemian Grove TWO FILMS IN PAST YEAR ABOUT BOHEMIAN GROVE by Mary Moore July 2000 TWO FILMS IN PAST YEAR ABOUT BOHEMIAN GROVE Two very different films about Bohemian Grove were made in the past year. The FIRST film, shown on British T.V. was a documentary produced by Jon Ronson of World of Wonder Ltd. with headquarters in London and Los Angeles. It featured national talk show host Alex Jones who infiltrated the Grove in the summer of 2000 and filmed the entire Cremation of Care ceremony using a tie tack video camera. Unfortunately Mr. Jones' interpretation of events drew several bizarre conclusions including allegations of Satanic worship and human sacrifice. Although these rumors have been around for years it has never been the position of Bohemian Grove Action Network that there is any credibility to them. Our position is that we are concerned about the harm these men are doing in the OUTSIDE world and we are quite disappointed in the tone and conclusions of this documentary. For more information about this film you can email wow@worldof wonder.net or call 323 603 6300. The SECOND film called TEDDY BEAR'S PICNIC was produced by VISIONBOX pictures in conjunction with satirist Harry Shearer and features such well known actors as Morgan Fairchild, Howard Hesseman, Alan Thicke and George Wendt. It is a spoof on Bohemian Grove thinly disguised as Zambesi Glen. The following statements are taken from the films production notes. A comic junket behind the scenes of the world's most exclusive power broker retreat. The true story: the richest, most powerful white men in America gather each summer in Northern California for a super secret retreat that takes them back to their sophomore year in college. For fifty one weeks a year they run the free world. For one week they run amok. They're there to unwind but they get really unwound when that secrecy is threatened. Based on the exclusive men's retreat Bohemian Grove, where the likes of Richard Nixon, Henry Kissinger, Malcolm Forbes and William F. Buckley, have been known to play, TEDDY BEARS'S PICNIC is a wicked little satire about power, class and to a small degree, sex. For more information about this film call John Manulis at 310 204 4686 or email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Their website is: www.visionboxpictures.com BOHEMIAN GROVE ACTION NETWORK P.O. BOX 296, OCCIDENTAL, CA.95465 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 707 874 2248 www.sonomacountyfreepress.org click on Bohemian Bohemian Grove by Mary Moore REVIEW OF TEDDY BEARS' PICNIC by Mary Moore June 20, 2001 July 2000 Contrary to public opinion we serious protesters DO have a good sense of humor so let me state up front that I loved the film TEDDY BEARS PICNIC in spite of its rather simplistic portrayal of all the folks yelling at the Bohemian/Zambezians as they made their way to and from the Grove/Glen. As a twenty year organizer of the protests at Bohemian Grove in Northern California I even recognized myself in the character of the shrill white lady at the beginning of the film except I would have had a hell of a better sound bite than she did. After all, one learns quickly that you have to make your point in a matter of seconds and even then the whole thing is seldom heard. With that minor criticism aside I am very grateful for the time, energy and sheer brilliance that went into making this film. For those unfamiliar with the culture of this retreat for the ruling elite, there were alot of inside jokes that might be unappreciated. The EXTINGUISHING OF TIME ritual instead of the CREMATION OF CARE ritual was brilliant as was the Pelican instead of the Owl. The concept of CARE was there in another context however and even stayed true to what we assume was the original meaning of this rather questionable practice. We have often wondered why it was necessary to cremate something that many of us question these men have in the first place!! While I would have liked to see more offhand dialogue about world affairs between these guys there were enough references to make the point that it does go on in spite of their motto to the contrary. The Lakeside Talks have long been a way to float policy ideas without public scrutiny and I appreciate that being shown. The film really captured the shallowness, silliness and out of touchness that we wish we didn't know about our countries corporate culture and its leaders. Scary stuff when you think about it!! I loved the almost obligatory peeing on the redwood scene and the rather excessive drinking (aka drug use) was true to form. And the line about the fire threatening vineyards as well as marijuana gardens says it all about the diversity of cultures that exist in this place we call home. We will continue to wonder why one is legal and the other is not. This film captured these guys in a way that a
[CTRL] Index of Bohemian Grove Reportage
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.sonic.net/~kerry/bohemian/index.html Click Here: A HREF=http://www.sonic.net/~kerry/bohemian/index.html;Index of Bohemian Grove Reportage/A - Index of Bohemian Grove Reportage Copyright © 1999 Kerry Richardson (last modified July 16, 1999) Introduction: This internet site contains some reportage about the Bohemian Grove. Some of it dates from the 1980's and may not be current. It is an incomplete picture of the Bohemian Grove and Bohemian Club and it is mostly an outsider's critical view. The Bohemian Grove is located in Sonoma County in California, north of San Francisco. The Bohemian Grove is the country retreat of the Bohemian Club, a private men's club headquartered in San Francisco. Each summer the club holds a gathering at the Grove, usually around the last two weeks in July. The club has over 2000 members, with no racial, religious or political restrictions on membership, but new members must be sponsored and approved, and there is a considerable waiting list. The club has a focus on the arts, music, and theater. The Bohemian Grove has a reputation as being a gathering spot for some of the nation's wealthiest individuals and most powerful politicians. While this is true, it should be noted that the Grove is also attended by many with no claim to fame. The material here focuses more on individuals who are already prominent. A lot of my photographic coverage was made at a local airport used by some of the Bohemian Club members and guests traveling to and from the Grove from other parts of the country. As a result, individuals pictured are likely to live and work elsewhere than the San Francisco Bay area where the club's membership is concentrated. My photo coverage of the Grove spans a period of more than ten years, so it cannot be assumed that anyone pictured was at the Grove at the same time as someone in another photo. Bibliography Several books and magazine articles and a couple of links that pertain to the Bohemian Grove. (all text) Jets Some magnificent flying machines used by the men. (around 71 K. of images) Photos 1 Photos of Ronald Reagan, George Shultz, Colin Powell, and Henry Kissinger. (around 57 K. of images) Photos 2 Photos of George Bush, Richard Cheney, Caspar Weinberger, Malcolm Forbes, Jack Kemp, and Alan Greenspan. (around 67 K. of images) Casey The U.S. Congress looked into William Casey's 1980 Bohemian Grove visit. (around 94 K. of text and graphics) Newt In 1995 House Speaker Newt Gingrich traveled to Bohemian Grove. (around 68K. of images) Life Photographs made on the periphery of Bohemian Grove give some idea of camp life. (around 46 K. of images) Nukes '87 No longer up to date, this article from 1987 examines nuclear weapons industry connections. (around 86 K. of graphics) Work 1 An account of a summer job at the Bohemian Grove. (mostly text) Work 2 In 1987 employees of the Bohemian Club demonstrated during contract negotiations. (text with around 51 K. of images) Links Several photos of interest made inside the Bohemian Grove are at other locations on the web. (link page is text only) Go to Kerry Richardson Home Page. Send e-mail to Kerry Richardson. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] Fwd: Media Beat: Executing McVeigh: The Media Rites of Retribution
Pulled this out of newspaper Kris forwarded to list; and, this item is perhaps the most objective story I have read yet re the work of Timothy McVeigh. Maybe McVeigh was also affected more by movie Braveheart, than the book the Turner Diaries, for the latter is one of the dullest books I have ever readone man's dream, another man's nightmare. McVeigh did not know about the nursery in the Murrah Building - but the FBI and BATF, did. People also could not distinguish between satire and truth in his words. Saba May 10, 2001 Executing McVeigh: The Media Rites of Retribution By Norman Solomon For half a century, we've been watching rituals of retribution. Countless entertainment shows on TV have presented certain vengeance as dramatic justice. In time for the last commercial, the designated bad guys got what was coming to them. These days, news coverage -- or what passes for it -- tends to edge out fictional concoctions. The surfaces of pathos, anguish and suffering are readily available without scripts, actors or set designers. Around the country, local news programs air plenty of crime sensations with yellow police tape in the background. Cable channels strive to offer the latest shootings in progress. And trials can't miss: Inside a courtroom, everyone makes a perfect cameo appearance. A week before the scheduled execution of Timothy McVeigh, the major cable networks -- CNN, Fox and MSNBC -- could hardly tear themselves away from the spectacle of a 14-year-old boy as he testified about what happened when he shot a teacher, taking an adult's life and shattering his own. The camera work and sound quality were crystal clear. McVeigh's crime, we're told, was the deadliest act of terrorism ever on U.S. soil. Among the 168 people he killed were 19 young children. From prison, he has insisted on describing the kids he murdered as collateral damage. It's a phrase that disturbed some media consumers a decade ago, during the Gulf War, when it was the euphemism of choice for top Pentagon officials and many American reporters. In a recent statement to a Fox News Channel correspondent, McVeigh said: Collateral damage? As an American news junkie, a military man, and a Gulf War veteran, where do they think I learned that? Unrepentant and preferring to undergo capital punishment now rather than later, McVeigh has declined to appeal his death sentence, a move that would have delayed his execution for years. He expresses no remorse about setting off a bomb at the federal building in Oklahoma City. Explaining his motives to the authors of a new biography, McVeigh commented: I did it for the larger good. With more diplomatic language, that's the sort of remark that U.S. officials frequently made during the Gulf War. If McVeigh were black or brown instead of white -- and if he had grown accustomed to the idea of inflicting lethal violence as a member of a gang instead of as a member of the U.S. Army -- it's a safe bet that news media would have flooded us with feature reports, analysis and commentaries about the inner-city culture of violence and pathology that produced him. But in McVeigh's case, we're made to understand that he was a bad apple in a wholesome barrel overseen by Uncle Sam. The good apples, the ones we can all be proud of, understood that killing is laudable only when authorized. And now, it has been authorized in Terre Haute. During the days before his execution in that Indiana city, T-shirts with his face on them have been selling briskly. A simple message is printed on those souvenir shirts: Die, die, die. Long ago, Bertrand Russell observed: The reformative effect of punishment is a belief that dies hard, chiefly, I think, because it is so satisfying to our sadistic impulses. The slaying of Tim McVeigh promises to be an unprecedented pageant of capital punishment. Advance stories predict that 2,000 journalists will descend on Terre Haute for the festivities. In Newsweek's words, the execution will be shown on closed-circuit television to several hundred victims of the Oklahoma City bombing and their families -- the biggest crowd to watch an execution since the 1930s. In theory, the audience will be limited. But some of the viewers will surely be on national TV to describe what they saw. Bootlegged videos are likely to find their way to a wider audience. If we, ostensibly represented by the state, are going to kill with premeditated executions, then we may as well see the grisly results. But why stop there? A lot of babies perish due to social conditions that could be prevented by a shift in government priorities. For the first time in a quarter-century, the latest annual figures tell us, infant mortality rates have not dropped in the United States -- remaining at 7.2 infants per 1,000 births. Meanwhile, the Children's Defense Fund says, 10.8 million of the nation's children are lacking health insurance. Unfortunately, there's no media frenzy to cover what happens when the state, in
[CTRL] LA taxes outer space
-Caveat Lector- LA taxes outer space -- Los Angeles County officials, realizing that there is no tax collector in outer space, hope to fill the void Reaching 22,300 miles above the equator, boldly going where no tax collector has gone before, Los Angeles County Assessor Rick Auerbach is angling to impose property taxes on several satellites. (7/10/01) http://www.latimes.com/news/local/state/la-56553jul10.story?coll=la%2Dnews%2Dstate A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Bell Tolls
-Caveat Lector- so now employment is more important than the wiping out of entire species? local strain. It's in no danger of being wiped out. This isn't about the fish. For more, see: http://sf.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=101620 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Settlers being killed, kidnapped and robbed by Islamic militant groups demanding independence.
-Caveat Lector- what does this have to do with Jews and/or Palestinians at all? I've spent time in Kashmir, and most of the people there have never heard of a Jew or Israeli or Palestinian. Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:55:07 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Settlers being killed, kidnapped and robbed by Islamic militant groups demanding independence. -Caveat Lector- Hmmmnnn... No Jews = no news. Isn't this ethnic cleansing? I've heard nothing from you about this situation? Where is the Palestinian moral outrage? Where is the Liberal outrage? Or are you all just full of it? Nurev Kashmir's evicted Hindu minority seeks its own homeland By HEMA SHUKLA Associated Press NEW DELHI, India (July 11, 2001 06:39 a.m. EDT) - Pinni Suri remembers the scene exactly - even though 11 years have passed. Dawn had just broken when two teenagers knocked on the front door of her home in the Kashmir Valley, where her Hindu ancestors had lived for centuries among the majority Muslims. Two minutes later, one of the young men shot Suri's husband in the chest. The attackers disappeared into the narrow lanes of Srinagar, Kashmir's summer capital. Muslim neighbors, watching from their window, turned away as she begged for help. They shot dead my husband on Aug. 1, 1990, and I left Srinagar the same day. I haven't gone back since, said Suri. An uncle of her husband was killed weeks later. It was a time of terrible fear among Kashmiri Pandits, Hindus indigenous to the beautiful Himalayan valley. They and Hindu settlers were being killed, kidnapped and robbed by Islamic militant groups demanding independence from India or to unite with Muslim-majority Pakistan. Between October 1989 and August 1990, some 350,000 Kashmiri Pandits fled and live mostly in squalid camps in Jammu, Kashmir's winter capital. Now as India prepares for a three-day summit starting Friday between Pakistan's Gen. Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, the Pandits are raising anew their demand for a homeland, which they say must be separate because of fears they will be targeted again. They wanted to Islamize Kashmir and they wanted us out. It was ethnic cleansing, said Ramesh Manavati, spokesman for Our Own Kashmir, an organization that says it represents more than 700,000 Kashmiri Pandits and demands an enclave in the Kashmir Valley. Thousands of Kashmiri Pandits say they feel forsaken by their government, which failed to protect them and their property. We are the forgotten ones, refugees in our own country, Manavati said. The All Party Hurriyat Conference, an umbrella group of Islamic and political parties that claims to speak for Kashmir, says the Pandits are welcome back, but a separate Pandit homeland is unacceptable. Kashmir is for all Kashmiris, says the group, which favors separation of the region from India. The Hurriyat is not in favor of division along communal (religious) lines, said Hurriyat spokesman Abdul Majid Banday. The Hurriyat has outraged the Pandits by saying that the stories of killings and intimidation were exaggerated and that the Pandit exodus was part of a government strategy to show the separatist movement in a bad light. Those who fled said the militants' method was to kill one and terrorize hundreds. Mosques blared warnings to Hindus, telling infidels to leave. Graffiti on walls said the valley was reserved for the faithful. Hindus who remained behind continue to live in fear. According to statistics compiled by The Associated Press, nearly 400 Hindus have been killed in 33 separate attacks in the past eight years. Many have been pulled out of buses and shot at close range. India accuses Islamic Pakistan of arming the Kashmir militants. Pakistan denies the charge, saying its support is only political. But most militant groups in Kashmir are based in Pakistan and run training camps for fighters under the eyes of Pakistan's government. According to the latest census completed in February, Kashmir has 6.2 million Muslims and 3.4 million Hindus, including 500,000 Kashmiri Pandits, as well as 300,000 Sikhs and 100,000 Buddhists. The displaced Hindus live safe but squalid lives in several large camps in Jammu, which is in the foothills of the Himalayas and has a Hindu majority. Extended families live in single rooms, with leaky roofs, poor ventilation and no toilets. What is here? Nothing. Mosquito bites and fear of snakes, said 65-year-old Lakshmanjoo, who uses only one name. He
[CTRL] Macedonia: the Final Domino?
-Caveat Lector- http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sunley1.html Macedonia: the Final Domino? by Johnathan Sunley The scenario is a familiar one. Having captured a few villages and terrorized (or expelled) their inhabitants, rebels demanding greater ethnic or some other form of equality close in on the countrys capital seeking a showdown with the government. The latter tries to meet force with force but is restrained from doing so by Western mediators who fly in and out insisting on the need for dialogue. All of a sudden, yesterdays terrorists are todays partners in a peace- process. Talks prevail, military front-lines are frozen and under the eye of the international community fresh elections or a referendum on the rebels grievances are held. A semblance of normality returns and CNN gradually loses interest in the story. But by now the poor place has become ungovernable (which was always the rebels main aim) and responsibility for its internal affairs passes to some permutation of the following: Nato, the OSCE, EU, UN, World Bank, etc. Today it is Macedonia which is in danger of becoming another sad little protectorate in the Balkans. But this is a fate which few countries in the region especially those that were once republics in the former Yugoslavia have been able to escape over the last ten years. Indeed, it was exactly a decade ago that that the first such domino fell, when the legally-elected authorities in Zagreb found themselves prevented by international pressure from re-establishing control over parts of Croatia seized by Serbian forces. The irony is that throughout this turbulent period Macedonia has been praised for its handling of inter-ethnic relations which is always (albeit often inaccurately) said to be the primary cause of conflict in this area. Its Albanian minority, whether constituting 23% or 40% of the population (as the Albanians themselves claim), has since the country became independent in 1992 enjoyed rights and a general sense of respect other minority communities in the Balkans can only dream about. Almost all governments formed in Skopje over the last decade have had Albanian participation in them and there were few protests when during the war in Kosovo in 1999 refugee camps were set up for no less than 400,000 Albanians fleeing the fighting there. But whatever else the current crisis is about, it is not human rights or democracy. In the autumn of 1999, elections were held in Macedonia to choose a new president. Though these were harshly condemned by Western observers on account of their blatant irregularities (which were especially bad in places with a high concentration of Albanians), this was seen at the time as the price worth paying in order for the least known of the candidates, Boris Trajkovski, to win on a ticket of inter-ethnic reconciliation and harmony. The outcome was the opposite, as Slav Macedonians enraged by the way in which Albanian votes appeared to count for more than theirs, and the Albanian minority encouraged to believe they could cheat their way to power, drifted further and further apart. It is unlikely they would have come to blows, however, but for events in Kosovo in the aftermath of the war there. Despite the presence of some 45,000 Nato troops and in Camp Bondsteel one of the largest US overseas military facilities anywhere in the world, it has apparently proven impossible to control let alone disarm the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which goes about its business of drug-smuggling, people- trafficking and gun-running virtually unhindered. It was only a matter of time before the KLA would seek to extend its criminal empire into neighbouring Macedonia. No doubt they were puzzled when the very same representatives of the international community who had championed their cause in Kosovo (often with grotesque zeal: remember US secretary of state Madeline Albright greedily kissing KLA leader Hasim Thaci?), denounced them in Macedonia as a bunch of murderous thugs. But today (just a couple of months on) Nato secretary-general Lord Robertson is far more cautious in his choice of words and in a classic shift of position has begun saying that it is the government in Skopje which must take measures to end the escalating conflict. Such measures, however, exclude the use of robust force. Not only that, the Macedonian authorities are meant to stand by as the international community lends a helping hand to the other side as happened a couple of weeks ago when US troops escorted bus-loads of armed insurgents away from a battle-zone just 10 km outside Skopje. Enraged by this incident, Slav Macedonians have conjectured that KFORs intervention was essential in order to guarantee the safety of a small contingent of advisors sent in by the US to monitor and instruct the KLAs Macedonian wing. To outsiders this may sound like a typical Balkan conspiracy theory. But nowadays Nato member- states vie with one another to
[CTRL] Chairman H? Chí Minh: Hero Or Villain
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.nonsong.org/archive/dsx97/hcm.html Click Here: A HREF=http://www.nonsong.org/archive/dsx97/hcm.html;CHAIRMAN H? CHÍ MINH: HERO OR VILLAIN/A - --Hos Cooperation with the OSS Many times in late 1944, Ho contacted Colonel Paul Helliwell, OSS Chief in China, offering services in intelligence, sabotage against the Japanese, and rescue of American pilots. On his first rescue of three American pilots he received six .38 revolvers and twenty thousand rounds of ammunition. He was disappointed at the small reward. Subsequently, he managed to talk to Richard Heppner, Helliwells replacement, and was somewhat more successful. However, an American intelligence Chief in the area had rejected Hos offer to be more closely associated with the Americans, i.e., to get bankrolled.-- - Chairman H? Chí Minh: Hero Or Villain Although, H? Chí Minh is gone for close to three decades, his policies still linger on, at least in Vietnam, specially in the Vietnamese Communist Party (VCP), wherein the lack of a reputable leader dictates the need to continue worshipping Ho as the only answer for survival. In the United States where his name was mentioned almost hourly in the 60's, Ho is now in oblivion, except in contemptuous references within the Vietnamese refugee community. He was a giant figure disturbing the geopolitics of Southeast Asia for many years. He had risen not only to a top position of his Vietnam, but also had a commanding role as a political thespian playing against superpower politics and might. H? Chí Minhs rise to the zenith of power was on a par with those of Stalin, Mao, and Hitler. He reigned with an iron hand and tyrannized his own party and his own people into complete submission and total obedience. His mentors, Stalin and Mao, however, always treated him as a protégé and often reminded him to stay in line. To understand the man would require a starter based on facts and documentary evidences. Whether one were an admirer or an opponent of this mysterious man, defining him as either a hero or a villain would be hard for one. Hero, he was, for his success. However, the millions of victims and the devastated destruction incurred on the nation by his practices and procedures condemned him to the rank of a villain. Nevertheless, nobody had ever realized a clear and truthful biography of H?â. Millions of words in dozens of books written about him were all based on hearsay and materials produced by the propaganda machine of the VCP. Ho himself had balked at any suggestion about writing his biography. Next to his dedication to Communism was his determination to keep his past a secret. Just to note on his birth date alone, if details from the several publications were to be selected and summarized, we would have at least five different dates. Only since the mid 80's when some archives were opened to researchers that the reasons for secrecy began to be unveiled. Too many fabrications were made to idolize and deify this man who in reality was no more and no less than a normal person with a normal ambition. He was to lead a typical life of any young Vietnamese of his time looking for opportunities overseas. However, it was those little unimportant historical incidents to be related further herein that made and shaped his future, a future that would haunt the very nations that rebuffed him years back. Who was H? Chí Minh? He was born Nguy?n Sinh Cung on 7.11.1891, in the small village of Kim Liên, Qu?nh L?u District, Ngh? An Province, in Northern Central Vietnam, one of the poorest areas in terrain and in resources. His father, Nguy?n Sinh Huy, a.k.a. Nguy?n Sinh S?c, a village teacher from a better than average family, who failed to pass the traditional examination for a C? Nhân (bachelor) degree and had to be satisfied with being Phó B?ng (sub-bachelor/junior doctor). Cung himself had finished primary school. For some unexplained reason, at the age of ten, he got a new name, Nguy?n T?t Thành, i.e., Nguy?n of Certain Success. French and Soviet documents and passports revealed his identity under different names including Paul T?t Thành, Nguy?n Ái Qu?c, Chen Vang, Linov, Lin, L Th?y, Lee Suei, V??ng S?n Nhì, Comrade Tr?n. He went to the grave taking with him the mystery of all these names none of which was explained the circumstance for requiring a pseudonym. The world would only know him as Chairman H? Chí Minh, ruler of Communist Vietnam, a position incontestably his, being the head of the Indochinese Communist party (ICP) that he founded in Hongkong in 1931 by Stalins order. He was successively a member of the French Communist party, the Russian Communist party, an agent of the Comintern (Communist International) and a leader of the Lao ?ng (Labor) party. An advocate of Marxist-Leninist dogma and an ardent supporter of the international Communist movement, H? Chí Minh was one rare specimen of success in the Twentieth Century. Trained in Moscow in extensive Marxist
[CTRL] http://www.pir.org/cgi-bin/nbonlin6.cgi?HELLIWELL_PAUL_LIONEL%20EDWARD
-Caveat Lector- check-out the social network diagram Om k A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FC: Are underskirt cams video voyeurism or free speech? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] FC: Are underskirt cams video voyeurism or free speech? (fwd) -Caveat Lector- On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, c. wrote: Let's start seeing some voyeuristic videos of men's privates taken when they thought they were in private... really, trust me, there is no market for men's privates in private ;) I think you underestimate women lol- i refer most humbly to your final pass at my offer as an indicator that i am not underestimating anyone ;) (and ignore the gay male market)... ;-) possibly... but i do think that the act of sneaking a peek is related to the differences in the erotic make up of men and women (and gay men even). i don't have much to offer as evidence ;Þ actually but i just feel it in my bones :) (bones, madam, not boner) personally speaking, watching a woman take a pee is highly erotic. but i have never heard of a woman enjoying watching a man pee. my scope for this informal survey has, i grant you, been limited to the women i have been trying to coerce into peeing in the woods, but stats are stats, babe ;) let's have a quick straw poll of the list. erm, no? uhok... but if you are *really* curious i can mibbe stretch my webcam's cable... Thanks, I'll pass ;-) oh well... actually, just thinking of it- i intuitively am connecting the (strange) compulsion that men have for exposing their genitals to women with this desire to see women exposed candidly. do gay men flash to men? women flashing always seems quite different from men flashing. June c. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] BIRTH OF THE GAY PRIDE MOVEMENT
-Caveat Lector- BIRTH OF THE GAY PRIDE MOVEMENT (Continued from part Vf) Timeline of Treason IN THEIR OWN WORDS...70s ptVg 1.SECRET PLANS OF THE US ARMY WAR COLLEGE 2.MARK OF THE BEAST: IT'S HERE! 3.BIRTH OF THE GAY PRIDE MOVEMENT 4.JIM JONES SPEAKS: THE JONESTOWN TAPES 5.DEPOPULATION GAME PLAN: ARE YOU F***ING YOURSELF TO DEATH? can be read at: The Joshua Report http://members.spree.com/education/2302410/ -- Michael The Outlawlady The Joshua Report http://members.spree.com/education/2302410/ If One Forgets The Past, He Will Not Be Prepared For The Future A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Macedonia: the Final Domino?
-Caveat Lector- -FYI http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sunley1.html Macedonia: the Final Domino? by Johnathan Sunley The scenario is a familiar one. Having captured a few villages and terrorized (or expelled) their inhabitants, rebels demanding greater ethnic or some other form of equality close in on the countrys capital seeking a showdown with the government. The latter tries to meet force with force but is restrained from doing so by Western mediators who fly in and out insisting on the need for dialogue. All of a sudden, yesterdays terrorists are todays partners in a peace- process. Talks prevail, military front-lines are frozen and under the eye of the international community fresh elections or a referendum on the rebels grievances are held. A semblance of normality returns and CNN gradually loses interest in the story. But by now the poor place has become ungovernable (which was always the rebels main aim) and responsibility for its internal affairs passes to some permutation of the following: Nato, the OSCE, EU, UN, World Bank, etc. Today it is Macedonia which is in danger of becoming another sad little protectorate in the Balkans. But this is a fate which few countries in the region especially those that were once republics in the former Yugoslavia have been able to escape over the last ten years. Indeed, it was exactly a decade ago that that the first such domino fell, when the legally-elected authorities in Zagreb found themselves prevented by international pressure from re-establishing control over parts of Croatia seized by Serbian forces. The irony is that throughout this turbulent period Macedonia has been praised for its handling of inter-ethnic relations which is always (albeit often inaccurately) said to be the primary cause of conflict in this area. Its Albanian minority, whether constituting 23% or 40% of the population (as the Albanians themselves claim), has since the country became independent in 1992 enjoyed rights and a general sense of respect other minority communities in the Balkans can only dream about. Almost all governments formed in Skopje over the last decade have had Albanian participation in them and there were few protests when during the war in Kosovo in 1999 refugee camps were set up for no less than 400,000 Albanians fleeing the fighting there. But whatever else the current crisis is about, it is not human rights or democracy. In the autumn of 1999, elections were held in Macedonia to choose a new president. Though these were harshly condemned by Western observers on account of their blatant irregularities (which were especially bad in places with a high concentration of Albanians), this was seen at the time as the price worth paying in order for the least known of the candidates, Boris Trajkovski, to win on a ticket of inter-ethnic reconciliation and harmony. The outcome was the opposite, as Slav Macedonians enraged by the way in which Albanian votes appeared to count for more than theirs, and the Albanian minority encouraged to believe they could cheat their way to power, drifted further and further apart. It is unlikely they would have come to blows, however, but for events in Kosovo in the aftermath of the war there. Despite the presence of some 45,000 Nato troops and in Camp Bondsteel one of the largest US overseas military facilities anywhere in the world, it has apparently proven impossible to control let alone disarm the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which goes about its business of drug-smuggling, people- trafficking and gun-running virtually unhindered. It was only a matter of time before the KLA would seek to extend its criminal empire into neighbouring Macedonia. No doubt they were puzzled when the very same representatives of the international community who had championed their cause in Kosovo (often with grotesque zeal: remember US secretary of state Madeline Albright greedily kissing KLA leader Hasim Thaci?), denounced them in Macedonia as a bunch of murderous thugs. But today (just a couple of months on) Nato secretary-general Lord Robertson is far more cautious in his choice of words and in a classic shift of position has begun saying that it is the government in Skopje which must take measures to end the escalating conflict. Such measures, however, exclude the use of robust force. Not only that, the Macedonian authorities are meant to stand by as the international community lends a helping hand to the other side as happened a couple of weeks ago when US troops escorted bus-loads of armed insurgents away from a battle-zone just 10 km outside Skopje. Enraged by this incident, Slav Macedonians have conjectured that KFORs intervention was essential in order to guarantee the safety of a small contingent of advisors sent in by the US to monitor and instruct the KLAs Macedonian wing. To outsiders this may sound like a typical
[CTRL] Will the Senate Judicary Committe give the ''bird to the American public?
-Caveat Lector- Will the Senate give the ''bird to the American public? So Senator Leahy has signaled that the Judicary Committes expects little problem in Hutchinson' appointment. How interesting. Did he do it with semaphores, secret code or did he just give Asa the thiumbs-up. If so, then the cover-up continues and the present Senate Judicary Committee will be giving the bird to the American public. Will the hard questions be asked or will the Senate continue the cover-up? We shall see . . . and we the people shall know. Old rules do not apply, . . . the interent has brought us all to the table and . . . it is very simple. The emperor has no clothes. Om K Robert A Millegan = Thursday, July 12, 2001 Asa Hutchinson hearing date set ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE WASHINGTON -- The Senate Judiciary Committee will consider the appointment of Rep. Asa Hutchinson to be the next head of the Drug Enforcement Administration on Tuesday. The confirmation hearing date had been in limbo for weeks because of the failure of Democrats and Republicans to agree on the makeup of Senate committees after the chamber shifted into Democratic control last month. The White House announced Hutchinson's appointment on May 9. The 50-year-old third-term Arkansas congressman had said he would not leave his House seat until confirmed by the Senate. Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee is expected to call a special election for the 3rd Congressional District seat once that happens. The office of Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, has signaled that it expects little problem with Hutchinson's appointment. Copyright © 2001, Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, Inc. All rights reserved. from: http://www.madcowprod.com/ Asa and the Drug Smugglers by Daniel Hopsicker Bush's DEA appointee knows a thing or two about drug smuggling. George W. Bushs nomination of Asa Hutchinson to head the Drug Enforcement Administration is a crushing blow to those who couldnt bring themselves to believe the sordid stories of George Junior consorting with drug smuggler Barry Seal. As reported in the new book Barry the boys, and magazines and newsletters like From the Wilderness and High Times, George the II had much more than a nodding acquaintance with the biggest drug smuggler in American history and his notorious Mena operation. Instead of downplaying this connection while focusing all eyes on the tee-ball on the south lawn, Bush has now put it right in our faces. Current Republican Congressman and former Western Arkansas US Attorney Asa Hutchinson was directly involved in the Mena drug smuggling operation, providing the critical legal protection necessary for any operation of that size and magnitude, and acting to squelch whatever legal action which local citizen outrage prompted. In addition to the people already on record regarding Hutchinsons coziness with the Mena cocaine smugglingformer IRS agent Bill Duncan prominent among themnumerous witnesses have stepped forward for the first time on Hutchinson in Barry the boys. According to the Arkansas State Police Commander in charge of Mena, Finis Duvall, on at least one occasion then-US Attorney Asa Hutchinson took care of a Mena legal entanglement for Barry Seal that has never been surfaced in the press. According to Duvall, who was there, the Arkansas state police didn't even try to develop a case against the Mena drug smuggling, because it was well known that it was being 'protected' by US attorney Hutchinson. We always knew we couldn't prosecute Barry Seal, no matter what we got on him, because of the politics involved in the Western Judicial District, the crusty Finis Duvall told us. Then there are Hutchinsons recent business dealings with drug smugglers. Recently a Barry Seal drug smuggling associate, Michael Roy Fugler, took a company called Netivation public. Netivation.com (NASDAQ: NTVN) portrays itself as an Internet public policy and political Web site, offering a package of fundraising services to candidates and campaigns. The Virginia State Democratic Party, for example, raised money for Netivation.com to produce Web sites for its candidates, and Netivation.com received a percentage of any campaign contribution made to candidates via the Web pages. It also publishes the US Congress Factbook, and has a major Internet site for campaign fundraising. One question might be: what does a drug smuggler have to do with the US Congress Factbook? But wait...theres more. After going public, Netivation turned around and immediately signed as their initial marketing poster boy none other than Arkansas Congressman Asa Hutchinson. Hutchinson, of course, before becoming the marketing poster boy for a company drug smuggler Barry Seal's associate Michael Fugler took public, had been the U.S. Attorney for the Western Judicial District in Arkansas,
[CTRL] Fw: Strange Things In Tennessee
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: kcaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 6:24 AM Subject: Strange Things In Tennessee http://www.1090wjkm.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JOHN FLEMING: THE SHOCKING MENACE OF SATELLITE SURVEILLANCE
-Caveat Lector- JOHN FLEMING: THE SHOCKING MENACE OF SATELLITE SURVEILLANCE Unknown to most of the world, satellites can perform astonishing and often menacing feats. This should come as no surprise when one reflects on the massive effort poured into satellite technology since the Soviet satellite Sputnik, launched in 1957, caused panic in the U.S. A spy satellite can monitor a person's every movement, even when the target is indoors or deep in the interior of a building or travelling rapidly down the highway in a car, in any kind of weather (cloudy, rainy, stormy). There is no place to hide on the face of the earth. It takes just three satellites to blanket the world with detection capacity. Besides tracking a person's every action and relaying the data to a computer screen on earth, amazing powers of satellites include reading a person's mind, monitoring conversations, manipulating electronic instruments and physically assaulting someone with a laser beam. Remote reading of someone's mind through satellite technology is quite bizarre, yet it is being done; it is a reality at present, not a chimera from a futuristic dystopia! To those who might disbelieve my description of satellite surveillance, I'd simply cite a tried-and-true Roman proverb: Time reveals all things (tempus omnia revelat). Probably the most sinister aspect of satellite surveillance, certainly its most stunning, is mind-reading. As early as 1981, G. Harry Stine (in his book Confrontation in Space), could write that computers have read human minds by means of deciphering the outputs of electroencephalographs (EEGs). Early work in this area was reported by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) in 1978. EEG's are now known to be crude sensors of neural activity in the human brain, depending as they do upon induced electrical currents in the skin. Magnetoencephalographs (MEGs) have since been developed using highly sensitive electromagnetic sensors that can directly map brain neural activity even through even through the bones of the skull. The responses of the visual areas of the brain have now been mapped by Kaufman and others at Vanderbilt University. Work may already be under way in mapping the neural activity of other portions of the human brain using the new MEG techniques. It does not require a great deal of prognostication to forecast that the neural electromagnetic activity of the human brain will be totally mapped within a decade or so and that crystalline computers can be programmed to decipher the electromagnetic neural signals. In 1992, Newsweek reported that with powerful new devices that peer through the skull and see the brain at work, neuroscientists seek the wellsprings of thoughts and emotions, the genesis of intelligence and language. They hope, in short, to read your mind. In 1994, a scientist noted that current imaging techniques can depict physiological events in the brain which accompany sensory perception and motor activity, as well as cognition and speech. In order to give a satellite mind-reading capability, it only remains to put some type of EEG-like-device on a satellite and link it with a computer that has a data bank of brain-mapping research. I believe that surveillance satellites began reading minds--or rather, began allowing the minds of targets to be read--sometime in the early 1990s. Some satellites in fact can read a person's mind from space. JOHN FLEMING USA A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE
-Caveat Lector- THE PROBLEM OF NATIONALITIES IN USA: STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE American student Jeremy His is facing expulsion from college. His guilt is that one day he turned up in a school discotheque wearing wearing a traditional Scottish attire, indispensable detail of which was a knife, or sgian-dhu. The school board in Holt, in Michigan is now due to decide if Mr. Hix will be expelled for violating the state's zero tolerance law against bringing weapons to school. Mr. Hix (who also plays the bagpipes) said he did not think about the knife as a weapon when he attended the school dance in May. The knife was more than 3in long, according to BBC. Mr. Hix said: It's part of the formal wear for a Scottish man. It's literally an item, like a piece of clothing. It doesn't stand out when you look at it. It's sort of natural. He said he had the sgian-dhu tucked into his sock for nearly two hours before a chaperone at the prom noticed it. Mr. Hix was forced to leave the prom and could not attend classes for the rest of the school year. Under Michigan's law, which went into effect six years ago, students must be expelled for 180 days if they bring a weapon to school. Weapons include knives with a blade of 3in or more. It is strange that such a multinational and tolerant, as it seems, country as the USA does not permit its citizens to wear their national regalia. Even in the Soviet Union (dubbed by someone evil empire), various ethnic groups had the right to turn up on the streets or other public places wearing their national costumes, including daggers, as was the case with, for example, Caucasians (Georgians, Armenians, Azerbaidjanians, etc.) or Central Asians (Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kazakhs, etc.). http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/07/12/9894.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WESTERN NEWS COVERAGE OF RUSSIA
-Caveat Lector- WESTERN NEWS COVERAGE OF RUSSIA A full page in Portugal's quality daily, Publico about President Putin's convoy causing pandemonium with Moscow's traffic is a typical example of the sort of nonsense being published in Western journals about Russia. It has recently been reported in a number of articles in Pravda.Ru and in certain Letters to the Editor that the Western press does not give its readers the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. London correspondent John Ashtead recently wrote about this after his first trip to Moscow, which, in his own words, opened his eyes to the nonsense that has been written about Russia in the last half century. One of Portugal's main daily newspapers, Publico devoted the entire back page to an article about President Putin's numerous trips to and from the Kremlin creating enormous traffic jams. So bad is the situation, claims the article, that the State Duma issued a request that he refrain from using motorcades when travelling to and from work. How is he supposed to travel, by submarine? While motorcades do create traffic jams, certainly it will not be only because of this that traffic jams form, since Moscow is one of the largest capital cities in the world and it has traffic, like anywhere else. The point is that the only news which transpires about Russia, about Moscow, about the Duma and about Russians, is negative in general if not always. Even this article about the traffic has dark references to Lenin, Stalin, Krushchyov, Brezhnev, they are all present, and yes, there is a reference to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. A famous Portuguese television journalist who was formerly stationed in Moscow was once accused of not presenting the full story in his reports, to which he is reported to have replied Yes, but if I did that, it would not be news. All westerners have seen about Russia in their newspapers or on their t.v. screens this year are carefully-edited pictures about Chechnya, always with a grey, rainy sky, night scenes of police chasing criminals in the streets, complete with newspaper captions about Moscow being the most dangerous city in the world, the fight in the Duma and now President Putin causing traffic jams. No mention of the clean streets, the beautiful gardens, the civilised people, the level of culture, no mention of the fact that hundreds of thousands of people walk around Moscow every day and night without ever seeing an incident, no mention of the quality and variety of fare in the shops and restaurants. No mention of Moscow's extensive public construction programme, no mention of the Metro without any graffiti and no mention of the excellent education system, public health system, scientific discoveries, aid to LDCs, cultural support programmes. These, for the organs of communication and for the readership they have carefully crafted over the years, are not news stories. One can therefore conclude that western news stories about Russia are no more than muck-raking nonsense. Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY PRAVDA.Ru LISBON PORTUGAL http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/07/11/9801.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Satanism reports frighten neighbors
-Caveat Lector- Dear LIst, Below please find info on this. Sincerely, Neil Brick This may be very heavy for survivors to read. Satanism reports frighten neighbors - By Douglas Belkin, Globe Staff and Chris Frates, Globe Correspondent, 7/12/01 - In their search, police said, they also discovered a cache of machetes, a sculpture of a demon, a half-dozen marijuana pipes, and several books about devil worship. Picard, 34, was arraigned yesterday in Quincy District Court and charged with nine counts related to burglary, grave robbing, and drug possession. excerpt from http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/193/metro/Satanism_reports_frighten_neighb orsP.shtml A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Insanity or Final Solution?
-Caveat Lector- Will the Israeli's shot the moon? If they do this without massive Palestinian deaths...they might get away with it. However it is much more likely that thousands of civilians will die...and Sharon will be be sharing a cell with Milosevic. flw ISRAELIS DEBATE WEST BANK INVASION By DAN PERRY Associated Press Writer JERUSALEM (AP) . After months of violence, Israelis are now openly debating the possibility of a military invasion of the West Bank and Gaza aimed at crushing the Palestinian Authority and ending the rule of Yasser Arafat. Military and political officials confirm the army has readied plans for stepping up the use of force . but the cost in lives and the possibility of a wider regional conflict clearly are giving the government pause in going all-out. ``The army has plans to cover all the possibilities, but what counts is the Cabinet decisions,'' said Raanan Gissin, spokesman of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. ``There are three options: surrender to Arafat, to go ahead with this plan . to occupy . or to continue the current course of restraint and self-defense. The government has said it's committed to peace but this situation can't last forever.'' One military official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said a large-scale attack was about to be launched June 2 . the day after a suicide bomber killed 21 young people outside a Tel Aviv disco . but it was put off by Arafat's announcement, under intense European pressure, of a cease-fire. Talk of a massive assault has since intensified as Israelis have grown increasingly exasperated with the failure of a cease-fire to take hold. Mortar attacks and even bombings inside Israel continue, and Jewish settlers are targeted in near-daily shootings. The Israeli media has taken to treating the possibility of a serious escalation . even a reoccupation of the West Bank and perhaps Gaza . as something of an inevitability, set to be triggered by the next major terrorist attack. ``An unusual consensus has taken hold (and) all roads are leading to a catastrophe,'' wrote Chemi Shalev in the Maariv daily. ``A few days after the war breaks out, suddenly everyone will remember how horrible war is ... when it will be too late.'' Palestinian Planning Minister Nabil Shaath said Sharon . currently visiting Italy . presented far-reaching plans to American and European leaders. ``I know that both President Bush and (French President Jacques) Chirac spoke very clearly to Sharon about this issue and warned him against the great dangers of such a policy,'' he told The Associated Press. ``One has to take this seriously because other threats have been carried out.'' Commentator Haim Hanegbi warned Israel's leaders that if they ordered an invasion they could eventually face the same fate as Slobodan Milosevic, the former Yugoslav president now facing a war crimes trial in The Hague. But Communications Minister Reuven Rivlin told AP that continued attacks ``will not leave Israel any alternatives. I have no doubt the prime minister wants to avoid a war as much as possible ... but if Arafat forces us to go to war, we will go to war.'' The Yesha Council representing the 200,000 Jewish settlers, a key source of support for Sharon, issued a statement Thursday calling on the prime minister to wait no longer and ``order the army to ... distance Arafat from the region and dismantle the Palestinian Authority, the largest terrorist organization in the world.'' Industry Minister Dalia Itzik, a member of the moderate Labor Party, warned that such pressure from Sharon's political base might have an effect. ``The scent of war is in the air,'' she said. ``It is as if it is an unimportant matter, as though at the end of this war we won't be burying our dead. Apparently nobody has learned from history. I very much hope that the prime minister will withstand this pressure.'' A top military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told AP that one plan proposed by the army was to move into Palestinian areas and arrest the dozens of militants who are behind the violence . then move out and leave Arafat's regime in place. But Israeli and foreign media have been rife with detailed reports about more far-reaching proposals as well. Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres on Thursday denied a report in the British journal Foreign Report, which said the Israeli military submitted a plan to the Cabinet to send 30,000 troops into the Palestinian areas, if another large-scale Palestinian terror attack takes place. Under the reported plan, the Israeli troops would seek to destroy the installations of the Palestinian Authority, disarm the Palestinians and cause the flight of the entire leadership, including Arafat. Analysts agree that under such a scenario hundreds of Israelis and probably thousands of Palestinians would be killed. But Gerald Steinberg,
Re: [CTRL] Roseanne Struggles to Contain Multiple Personalities
-Caveat Lector- Dear List, Below please find info on this article. Neil Brick Roseanne Struggles to Contain Multiple Personalities - Reuters - 7/12/01 LOS ANGELESâRoseanne, the larger than life stand-up comic, actress, chat show host, producer, mother and three-time wife, also wrestles with at least seven different personalities...Roseanne told Esquire magazine in a rambling interview published in its August edition of her struggles to contain the multiple personality disorder which she said had afflicted her since she was a child. She said that after 10 years of hard work she had managed to integrate the differing personalities. excerpt from http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A49034-2001Jul11?language=printer A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Insanity or Final Solution?
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- Will the Israeli's shot the moon? If they do this without massive Palestinian deaths...they might get away with it. However it is much more likely that thousands of civilians will die...and Sharon will be be sharing a cell with Milosevic. flw Don't count on it. Sharon is a conservative and a capitalist. Milos was a Socialist. Are you now becoming delusional as you claimed I was, or are you starting to understand Middle East politics? J2 ISRAELIS DEBATE WEST BANK INVASION By DAN PERRY Associated Press Writer JERUSALEM (AP) . After months of violence, Israelis are now openly debating the possibility of a military invasion of the West Bank and Gaza aimed at crushing the Palestinian Authority and ending the rule of Yasser Arafat. Military and political officials confirm the army has readied plans for stepping up the use of force . but the cost in lives and the possibility of a wider regional conflict clearly are giving the government pause in going all-out. ``The army has plans to cover all the possibilities, but what counts is the Cabinet decisions,'' said Raanan Gissin, spokesman of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. ``There are three options: surrender to Arafat, to go ahead with this plan . to occupy . or to continue the current course of restraint and self-defense. The government has said it's committed to peace but this situation can't last forever.'' One military official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said a large-scale attack was about to be launched June 2 . the day after a suicide bomber killed 21 young people outside a Tel Aviv disco . but it was put off by Arafat's announcement, under intense European pressure, of a cease-fire. Talk of a massive assault has since intensified as Israelis have grown increasingly exasperated with the failure of a cease-fire to take hold. Mortar attacks and even bombings inside Israel continue, and Jewish settlers are targeted in near-daily shootings. The Israeli media has taken to treating the possibility of a serious escalation . even a reoccupation of the West Bank and perhaps Gaza . as something of an inevitability, set to be triggered by the next major terrorist attack. ``An unusual consensus has taken hold (and) all roads are leading to a catastrophe,'' wrote Chemi Shalev in the Maariv daily. ``A few days after the war breaks out, suddenly everyone will remember how horrible war is ... when it will be too late.'' Palestinian Planning Minister Nabil Shaath said Sharon . currently visiting Italy . presented far-reaching plans to American and European leaders. ``I know that both President Bush and (French President Jacques) Chirac spoke very clearly to Sharon about this issue and warned him against the great dangers of such a policy,'' he told The Associated Press. ``One has to take this seriously because other threats have been carried out.'' Commentator Haim Hanegbi warned Israel's leaders that if they ordered an invasion they could eventually face the same fate as Slobodan Milosevic, the former Yugoslav president now facing a war crimes trial in The Hague. But Communications Minister Reuven Rivlin told AP that continued attacks ``will not leave Israel any alternatives. I have no doubt the prime minister wants to avoid a war as much as possible ... but if Arafat forces us to go to war, we will go to war.'' The Yesha Council representing the 200,000 Jewish settlers, a key source of support for Sharon, issued a statement Thursday calling on the prime minister to wait no longer and ``order the army to ... distance Arafat from the region and dismantle the Palestinian Authority, the largest terrorist organization in the world.'' Industry Minister Dalia Itzik, a member of the moderate Labor Party, warned that such pressure from Sharon's political base might have an effect. ``The scent of war is in the air,'' she said. ``It is as if it is an unimportant matter, as though at the end of this war we won't be burying our dead. Apparently nobody has learned from history. I very much hope that the prime minister will withstand this pressure.'' A top military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told AP that one plan proposed by the army was to move into Palestinian areas and arrest the dozens of militants who are behind the violence . then move out and leave Arafat's regime in place. But Israeli and foreign media have been rife with detailed reports about more far-reaching proposals as well. Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres on Thursday denied a report in the British journal Foreign Report, which said the Israeli military submitted a plan to the Cabinet to send 30,000 troops into the Palestinian areas, if another large-scale Palestinian terror attack takes place. Under the reported plan, the Israeli troops would seek
[CTRL] Outing Torturers
-Caveat Lector- Outing Torturers http://www.motherjones.com/web_exclusives/features/news/torture.html Activists in Argentina and Chile are making sure former dictators and their collaborators don't enjoy an anonymous retirement. by Casey Woods and Jonathan Franklin June 27, 2001 BUENOS AIRES -- Rows of riot police stand in front of a ritzy apartment complex in Buenos Aires. Marching down the street towards them are their opponents: hundreds of protesters, many of them dressed as jesters with faces painted like the sun or moon, others with dreadlocks to their waists. A juggler tosses machetes into the air in rhythm to an insistent drum beat. The marchers project the giddy air of a carnival, but behind the costumes and music, their purpose is serious: they have come to expose Leopoldi Galtieri, a former dictator of Argentina who has been living here hidden from public view since he left power in 1983. Galtieri is accused of helping coordinate a multi-national hit squad that kidnapped, tortured and killed human rights activists and guerrilla fighters throughout South America during his regime. Police and protesters collide in the middle of the street, tear gas and clubs flying. Television cameras capture the violence, but also spread the protesters' message. Amidst the melee, spray painted signs reading A Torturer Lives Here, Murderer, and Put Him on Trial denounce Galtieri; flyers provide his home address and even his social security number. The demonstration, which took place last year, was typical of those a group known as HIJOS has organized around the country. The effects are typically felt the following day, says HIJOS activist Diego Genoud. That's when the baker won't sell him bread, the taxi won't pick him up, the newspaper won't come to his house. It is like putting him in jail. Many HIJOS events end in violence. The police come absolutely ready to strike at the most minimum provocation, said Vilma Ripoll, the Buenos Aires city council member. They plant infiltrators who then provoke the police so they can violently repress the march. HIJOS -- Spanish for children and an acronym for Children for Identity and Justice -- was born of the brutality of Argentina's former military dictatorship. Its members are all children of former political prisoners, exiles, or someone executed or 'disappeared' by the dictatorship. As many as 30,000 civilians vanished during the Argentine military dictatorship's brutal 1976-1983 rule. A favorite method of disposing of political prisoners was to inject them with tranquilizers, manacle them together and dump them from cargo planes into the open sea. Most of the victims were non-violent social activists: union organizers, writers, politicians, and labor leaders. Vilma Ripoll of the leftist party Movemiento Socialista de Trajabadores has a list of the disappeared that fills an entire wall in the party headquarters. Many of those who perpetrated the dictatorship's human- rights abuses were successively pardoned by a series of laws. This process culminated in the 1989 pardons signed by then-president Carlos Menem which freed the 277 perpetrators who had been jailed. The out-a-torturer movement began in 1999, when neighbors recognized a skinny, bespectacled man jogging in a Buenos Aires park as Jorge Videla, former army general. Videla -- who had been convicted, then pardoned -- is widely considered one of the principal architects of the Argentine dictatorship. Street activists began a daily ambush, tossing eggs and epithets like assassin and kidnapper. Videla's morning jogs in the park were over -- and with them his anonymous retirement. He has since been re-arrested on charges of stealing newborn babies from left-wing families, one of the few crimes not covered by the amnesty. Since then, regional HIJOS groups have sprung up throughout Argentina. For the past 4 years, nearly every month one of the chapters has hit the streets to denounce the tranquil civilian life of a former official. We want all the murderers to go to jail with the political class that sponsored them, as well as the economic class that fueled the genocide -- the same people who today run the country, says Genoud, 25. Like many HIJOS activists, he didn't learn of his parents' political involvement for years, his guardians having tried to protect him at a time when information was dangerous. His father, a guerrilla resistance fighter, was taken prisoner in 1974 and jailed for 8 years. His mother, a human rights lawyer, was dragged from her house by a military squad in 1976 and disappeared. While GenoudÕs goals are unlikely to be met, the pressure from HIJOS has helped keep alive the campaign to re-arrest top military leaders accused of involvement in baby kidnappings during the dictatorship. Dozens of military officials are now under investigation, and top armed forces leaders have publicly apologized for their role in the crimes. Polls show HIJOS has found sympathy among the public, but some say their
[CTRL] minconotrol and torture site
-Caveat Lector- lots of mindcontrol and torture links and personal experieinces. http://born.online.de/ My section in the Mind Control Forum - a FAQ about my case is on the way, but here is the last update of a zipped-FAQ-prototype. For all those instructors, who like these intrusive operative games know nothing about survivor syndrom, remember: Blood is on the dancefloor! What? You don´t understand? So let´s go deep Prof. Dr. Spychiatrist [sic!] and read the pages about PTSD and torture. So, and you still don´t believe that people can do that? Then you don´t know anything about deception or otherwise the Milgram Experiment. If you speak German and want to know about my struggels with the law, look here via alte Prozessunterlagen. I'm also going to write a book about all the things happend to me and here you will find the the expose with certain corrections. On my AKTION -Pages, you will be informed about the things I do to promote my case. Information warfare, intelligence organisations conspiracy information BioWar Education - I need some more good URLs in this section! Free Fax misc A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Settlers being killed,kidnapped and robbed by Islamic militant groups demandingindependence.
-Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- what does this have to do with Jews and/or Palestinians at all? I've spent time in Kashmir, and most of the people there have never heard of a Jew or Israeli or Palestinian. Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam Similar situation. Selective choosing of ' bad guys ' . Jordan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia expelled ( ethnically cleansed ) their entire Palestinian populations and there wasn't a peep out of the Left or the Liberals. Just a little hypocracy. I didn't want to let it slip by some of the concerned citizens. Joshua2 NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:55:07 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Settlers being killed, kidnapped and robbed by Islamic militant groups demanding independence. -Caveat Lector- Hmmmnnn... No Jews = no news. Isn't this ethnic cleansing? I've heard nothing from you about this situation? Where is the Palestinian moral outrage? Where is the Liberal outrage? Or are you all just full of it? Nurev Kashmir's evicted Hindu minority seeks its own homeland By HEMA SHUKLA Associated Press NEW DELHI, India (July 11, 2001 06:39 a.m. EDT) - Pinni Suri remembers the scene exactly - even though 11 years have passed. Dawn had just broken when two teenagers knocked on the front door of her home in the Kashmir Valley, where her Hindu ancestors had lived for centuries among the majority Muslims. Two minutes later, one of the young men shot Suri's husband in the chest. The attackers disappeared into the narrow lanes of Srinagar, Kashmir's summer capital. Muslim neighbors, watching from their window, turned away as she begged for help. They shot dead my husband on Aug. 1, 1990, and I left Srinagar the same day. I haven't gone back since, said Suri. An uncle of her husband was killed weeks later. It was a time of terrible fear among Kashmiri Pandits, Hindus indigenous to the beautiful Himalayan valley. They and Hindu settlers were being killed, kidnapped and robbed by Islamic militant groups demanding independence from India or to unite with Muslim-majority Pakistan. Between October 1989 and August 1990, some 350,000 Kashmiri Pandits fled and live mostly in squalid camps in Jammu, Kashmir's winter capital. Now as India prepares for a three-day summit starting Friday between Pakistan's Gen. Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, the Pandits are raising anew their demand for a homeland, which they say must be separate because of fears they will be targeted again. They wanted to Islamize Kashmir and they wanted us out. It was ethnic cleansing, said Ramesh Manavati, spokesman for Our Own Kashmir, an organization that says it represents more than 700,000 Kashmiri Pandits and demands an enclave in the Kashmir Valley. Thousands of Kashmiri Pandits say they feel forsaken by their government, which failed to protect them and their property. We are the forgotten ones, refugees in our own country, Manavati said. The All Party Hurriyat Conference, an umbrella group of Islamic and political parties that claims to speak for Kashmir, says the Pandits are welcome back, but a separate Pandit homeland is unacceptable. Kashmir is for all Kashmiris, says the group, which favors separation of the region from India. The Hurriyat is not in favor of division along communal (religious) lines, said Hurriyat spokesman Abdul Majid Banday. The Hurriyat has outraged the Pandits by saying that the stories of killings and intimidation were exaggerated and that the Pandit exodus was part of a government strategy to show the separatist movement in a bad light. Those who fled said the militants' method was to kill one and terrorize hundreds. Mosques blared warnings to Hindus, telling infidels to leave. Graffiti on walls said the valley was reserved for the faithful. Hindus who remained behind continue to live in fear. According to statistics compiled by The Associated Press, nearly 400 Hindus have been killed in 33 separate attacks in the past eight years. Many have been pulled out of buses and shot at close range. India accuses Islamic Pakistan of arming the Kashmir militants. Pakistan denies the charge, saying its support is only political. But most militant groups in Kashmir are based in Pakistan and run training camps for fighters under the eyes of Pakistan's government. According to the latest census completed in February, Kashmir has 6.2 million Muslims and 3.4 million Hindus,
[CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists
-Caveat Lector- Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists The Independent - London http://news.independent.co.uk 7-12-1 Global warming is happening now, caused by human actions, and threatens the Earth with disaster, the world's leading atmospheric scientists insisted yesterday as politicians struggled to repair the Kyoto treaty on climate change which the United States torpedoed in March. A 2,000-page UN report on the science and potential impacts of climate change gave the most authoritative statement yet that the Earth is warming rapidly, that the main cause is industrial pollution, and that the consequences for human society are likely to be catastrophic. The report, from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), made up of several hundred of the world's most distinguished meteorologists, including many Americans, is a substantial slap in the face for US President George Bush, whose unilateral abrogation of Kyoto has thrown the international effort to counter global warming into chaos. It comes on the eve of first big meeting, held in Bonn next week, to try to repair the treaty. The president cited doubts about the science of climate change as the reason why he would not impose on the American economy the cuts in industrial gases which Kyoto requires and which the US signed up to at the original treaty agreement in 1997. But yesterday the IPCC scientists gave their unqualified support to the view that global warming is real. Furthermore, they said, since their last report was published six years ago, they found they had vastly underestimated the rate at which global temperatures are rising. They now believe they will rise by as much as 5.8C by the end of this century, almost twice the increase predicted in their 1995 report. This is likely to lead to crop failures, water shortages, increased disease and disasters for towns and cities from flooding, landslides and sea storm surges, they believe, with the poor developing countries likely to be hit hardest. The crucial point that emerges from the report is that all these new stresses may be happening at the same time to a world already under great stain from massive population growth, poverty and pollution. As the massive three-volume study was published yesterday (by Britain's Cambridge University Press), politicians across the globe were scrambling to put some sort of deal together at next week's Bonn conference, which will be attended by ministers and officials from more than 150 nations. It is a resumption of the meeting on the Kyoto treaty which broke up acrimoniously in The Hague last November with a spectacular walk-out by Britain's Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott. But the argument then was over a technicality in the treaty and the Americans were still on board. Subsequently, Mr Bush has repudiated the treaty's basic principle that the industrialised countries should cut their greenhouse gas emissions and the chances of the Americans coming back on board are regarded as minimal. Bizarrely, the Americans will be present in Bonn as negotiators on a treaty they have said they will have nothing to do with, as they are signed-up parties to the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change. Diplomatic efforts were continuing yesterday to build alliances which might allow Kyoto to be repaired. Mr Prescott flew into Tokyo for meetings with the Japanese prime minister, Junichiro Koizumi, and his foreign and environment ministers, in an attempt to persuade the Japanese to join the European Union's
[CTRL] Global Warming Encourages Mosquitoes - Man's Dealiest Enemy
-Caveat Lector- Global Warming Encourages Mosquitoes - Man's Dealiest Enemy By Environmental News Network 7-12-1 Asian tiger mosquito Asian tiger mosquitoes that carry tropical diseases are likely to spread far and wide as global warming creates hotter temperatures outside their historic habitat, according to new research from the University of Florida. Our research shows that, like many mosquitoes, this species breeds faster as the temperature gets higher, said Barry Alto, a University of Florida entomology doctoral student and co-author of the study which appeared in the July 2 issue of the Journal of Medical Entomology. If global warming trends continue, the Asian tiger mosquito may become common in places it's not found today, Alto warned. Though small, Asian tiger mosquitoes bite aggressively, attacking humans, livestock, and wildlife, mainly during daylight hours. This species can spread over 100 diseases, says Florida's Sarasota County Mosquito Management Division. The Asian tiger mosquito may be just the beginning of a northern invasion of other species of mosquitoes. Some research indicates that global climate change may alter the current distributions of other mosquito species, Alto said. Native to East Asia, the Asian tiger mosquito has spread widely in the last two decades, transported into the United States in shipments of used automobile tires containing its eggs from Japan or Taiwan. In 1986, the Asian tiger mosquito was initially discovered in Florida at a tire dump site in Jacksonville. Over the next eight years, it spread to all of Florida's 67 counties. Warmer regions of North and South America, Europe and Africa now harbor the species, known scientifically as Aedes albopictus. In the tropics, it carries dengue fever, which infects tens of millions but is usually not fatal. A severe, hemorrhagic form of the disease infects hundreds of thousands each year and kills about five percent of those infected. It was first reported in the United States in 1985 and has reached at least 25 states, mainly in the East and South. This mosquito spread quickly in the South, Alto said, whereas in the Midwest, it's less common although it arrived in the mid-80s. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency acknowledges that, Global warming may increase the risk of some infectious diseases, particularly those diseases that only appear in warm areas. Diseases that are spread by mosquitoes and other insects could become more prevalent if warmer temperatures enabled those insects to become established farther north. The EPA says these diseases include malaria, dengue fever, yellow fever, and encephalitis. Alto's study compares reproduction of Asian tiger mosquitoes housed at 79, 75 or 72 degrees Fahrenheit. Mosquitoes kept at 79 degrees reproduced fastest, while those at 72 degrees reproduced slowest. The difference between the low and high temperatures, seven degrees, matches some estimates of how much global temperatures will increase in the next 100 years, he said. The study shows that higher temperatures, when considered alone, would probably allow the mosquito to spread farther north and possibly survive year-round in areas where winter freezes now kill it off, Alto explained. Steven Juliano, an Illinois State University biological sciences professor and co-author of the study, said global warming is also predicted to affect rainfall and humidity, so the study does not make definite predictions about the mosquito's possible spread. Still, he said, it provides some valuable insight. Insect population dynamics are affected by many variables, Juliano said. But this study helps us highlight what we need to know to plan for the future. The EPA says that in spite of these risks, increased mortality is not an inevitable consequence of global warming. Malaria, for example,
Re: [CTRL] Serbian Nazis
-Caveat Lector- Make that 200,000 dead in the Bosnian conflict. Not 2 million. Anger at the keyboard made me add a zero! M.P. Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 3:28 PM Subject: Fw: Serbian Nazis Obraz. Who make no bones of it...And on Seselj et. al. http://www.google.com/search?q=Serb+Radical+Party+seselj The Radical Right in Yugoslavia: Srpska Radikalna Stranka ( ... ... Logo English name Serb Radical Party Party leader Vojislav Seselj (resigned on Sept. 25, 2000, after the weak performance of the SRS in the presidential ... www.users.belgacom.net/radicalright/yugosl.htm ... in the Niksic brigade, in agreement with Dr. Vojislav Seselj he took over the organization of the Serb Radical Party in Srpska. In March 1993, at the Serb ... www.cdsp.neu.edu/info/students/marko/velsrb/velsrb1.html ... TRYING TO DO? GUY DINMORE UNEARTHS A RADICAL SERB DOCUMENT, Vojislav Seselj - popular but out of office when his party published the 'Kosovo Solution' in August ... www.megastories.com/kosovo/plan/radical.htm White Eagles Serbian Radical Party [SRS] (White Eagles were a particularly vicious, paramilitary formation deployed in the Bosnian conflict [from '92-'95 200,000dead) and the rump Republica Srpska of psychiatrist/poet of the the wild hairstyle, Dr. Radovan Karazdic. M.P.) .. war in Bosnian. Serbian Radical Party [SRS] Chairman Vojislav Seselj [who was appointed ... www.fas.org/irp/world/para/white_eagles.htm ... of Socialist Peoples Party Momir Bulatovic reached with Vojislav Seselj from Serb Radical Party and Mira Markovic, President of Yugoslav Left (party of the Red Bourgeoisie leaders profitted massively from skimming off profits from de-nationalized state property during the Miklosevic yrs.) on forming of a ... www.medijaklub.cg.yu/eng/news/archive/2000/april/07index.htm Michael Pugliese - Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: Re:gay-bashing Serb nationalists The cjb.net domain hosts these Serbian skinhead fascists. The American Front post from one of the Third Position lists I lurk on mentions one. I have a hunch that those BBC pix, had some cadre of the Serbian Radical Party of V. Seselj, a coalition partner and para-military adjunct of Milosevic, Mladic and Karazdic in Bosnia and the rump Republica Srpspska, in their killing sprees. And this group called Obraz, (Dignity), see this from the SF Chronicle. Michael Pugliese http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/04/18 /MN152779.DTL Racism defies Serbian democracy Violence grows despite change in leadership Joshua Kucera, Chronicle Foreign Service Wednesday, April 18, 2001 ©2001 San Francisco Chronicle Belgrade, Yugoslavia -- Despite its reputation as a hotbed of nationalism, Serbia has not been known for racism and intolerance of the sort that has plagued neighbors like Croatia, Hungary and Germany. But recent incidents of skinhead-style violence and intimidation suggest that an organized, extreme right-wing movement may be emerging. Organizations that document racist incidents have noticed a rise in the past few months in attacks against Roma, also known as Gypsies, and ethnic Albanians. And within the space of a few days, stickers with swastikas were placed at Belgrade's Jewish cemetery, a synagogue and an art gallery housing a photo exhibition about Roma. In northern Serbia, vandals broke a plaque commemorating the site of the former synagogue in Zrenjanin and painted a swastika on a similar plaque in Kikinda. In the last two to three months, there has been some sort of synchronization of these actions and that's what's really dangerous, said Igor Olujic, a lawyer at the Humanitarian Law Center in Belgrade, who has been documenting the incidents. It's not open violence, but I'm afraid it could be the beginning of a neo- Nazi movement, he added. The incidents have occurred against the disturbing backdrop of the rise of Obraz (Dignity), a group of hard-core nationalists that says it has more than 20,000 members. Obraz says it has no connection with the attacks or the stickers, but its rhetoric -- including a Web page called Letter to Our Enemies that rails against Jews, gays, Croats, Albanians and several other groups -- is seen as the intellectual support for racist violence. It's a racist group, no doubt about it, said Olujic, adding that Obraz may be vulnerable to prosecution under Serbia's law against inciting racial hatred. There always was a latent anti-Semitism, but never as blatant as this, said Aca Singer,
[CTRL] Petition To Terminate Aid To Israel
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[CTRL] Pravda- The Shocking Menace Of Satellite Surveillance
http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/07/11/9825.html 14:18 2001-07-11 JOHN FLEMING: THE SHOCKING MENACE OF SATELLITE SURVEILLANCE Unknown to most of the world, satellites can perform astonishing and often menacing feats. This should come as no surprise when one reflects on the massive effort poured into satellite technology since the Soviet satellite Sputnik, launched in 1957, caused panic in the U.S. A spy satellite can monitor a person’s every movement, even when the “target” is indoors or deep in the interior of a building or travelling rapidly down the highway in a car, in any kind of weather (cloudy, rainy, stormy). There is no place to hide on the face of the earth. It takes just three satellites to blanket the world with detection capacity. Besides tracking a person’s every action and relaying the data to a computer screen on earth, amazing powers of satellites include reading a person’s mind, monitoring conversations, manipulating electronic instruments and physically assaulting someone with a laser beam. Remote reading of someone’s mind through satellite technology is quite bizarre, yet it is being done; it is a reality at present, not a chimera from a futuristic dystopia! To those who might disbelieve my description of satellite surveillance, I’d simply cite a tried-and-true Roman proverb: Time reveals all things (tempus omnia revelat). Probably the most sinister aspect of satellite surveillance, certainly its most stunning, is mind-reading. As early as 1981, G. Harry Stine (in his book Confrontation in Space), could write that computers have “read” human minds by means of deciphering the outputs of electroencephalographs (EEGs). Early work in this area was reported by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) in 1978. EEG’s are now known to be crude sensors of neural activity in the human brain, depending as they do upon induced electrical currents in the skin. Magnetoencephalographs (MEGs) have since been developed using highly sensitive electromagnetic sensors that can directly map brain neural activity even through even through the bones of the skull. The responses of the visual areas of the brain have now been mapped by Kaufman and others at Vanderbilt University. Work may already be under way in mapping the neural activity of other portions of the human brain using the new MEG techniques. It does not require a great deal of prognostication to forecast that the neural electromagnetic activity of the human brain will be totally mapped within a decade or so and that crystalline computers can be programmed to decipher the electromagnetic neural signals. In 1992, Newsweek reported that “with powerful new devices that peer through the skull and see the brain at work, neuroscientists seek the wellsprings of thoughts and emotions, the genesis of intelligence and language. They hope, in short, to read your mind.” In 1994, a scientist noted that “current imaging techniques can depict physiological events in the brain which accompany sensory perception and motor activity, as well as cognition and speech.” In order to give a satellite mind-reading capability, it only remains to put some type of EEG-like-device on a satellite and link it with a computer that has a data bank of brain-mapping research. I believe that surveillance satellites began reading minds--or rather, began allowing the minds of targets to be read--sometime in the early 1990s. Some satellites in fact can read a person’s mind from space. JOHN FLEMING USA
Re: [CTRL] Settlers being killed,kidnapped and robbed by Islamic militant groups demandingindependence.
-Caveat Lector- im not sure i see the similarity of the situations other than they both involve muslims as to the other arab nations, we know they are using the palestinians as a fist, and it serves them well to keep the palestinians as refugees the funny thing of course is that jordan is as much palestine as israel, but no one cries to return to amman, or the fact that the jordanians are keeping the palestinans away from self rule as well Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:04:57 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Settlers being killed,kidnapped and robbed by Islamic militant groups demandingindependence. -Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- what does this have to do with Jews and/or Palestinians at all? I've spent time in Kashmir, and most of the people there have never heard of a Jew or Israeli or Palestinian. Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam Similar situation. Selective choosing of ' bad guys ' . Jordan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia expelled ( ethnically cleansed ) their entire Palestinian populations and there wasn't a peep out of the Left or the Liberals. Just a little hypocracy. I didn't want to let it slip by some of the concerned citizens. Joshua2 NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:55:07 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Settlers being killed, kidnapped and robbed by Islamic militant groups demanding independence. -Caveat Lector- Hmmmnnn... No Jews = no news. Isn't this ethnic cleansing? I've heard nothing from you about this situation? Where is the Palestinian moral outrage? Where is the Liberal outrage? Or are you all just full of it? Nurev Kashmir's evicted Hindu minority seeks its own homeland By HEMA SHUKLA Associated Press NEW DELHI, India (July 11, 2001 06:39 a.m. EDT) - Pinni Suri remembers the scene exactly - even though 11 years have passed. Dawn had just broken when two teenagers knocked on the front door of her home in the Kashmir Valley, where her Hindu ancestors had lived for centuries among the majority Muslims. Two minutes later, one of the young men shot Suri's husband in the chest. The attackers disappeared into the narrow lanes of Srinagar, Kashmir's summer capital. Muslim neighbors, watching from their window, turned away as she begged for help. They shot dead my husband on Aug. 1, 1990, and I left Srinagar the same day. I haven't gone back since, said Suri. An uncle of her husband was killed weeks later. It was a time of terrible fear among Kashmiri Pandits, Hindus indigenous to the beautiful Himalayan valley. They and Hindu settlers were being killed, kidnapped and robbed by Islamic militant groups demanding independence from India or to unite with Muslim-majority Pakistan. Between October 1989 and August 1990, some 350,000 Kashmiri Pandits fled and live mostly in squalid camps in Jammu, Kashmir's winter capital. Now as India prepares for a three-day summit starting Friday between Pakistan's Gen. Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, the Pandits are raising anew their demand for a homeland, which they say must be separate because of fears they will be targeted again. They wanted to Islamize Kashmir and they wanted us out. It was ethnic cleansing, said Ramesh Manavati, spokesman for Our Own Kashmir, an organization that says it represents more than 700,000 Kashmiri Pandits and demands an enclave in the Kashmir Valley. Thousands of Kashmiri Pandits say they feel forsaken by their government, which failed to protect them and their property. We are the forgotten ones, refugees in our own country, Manavati said. The All Party Hurriyat Conference, an umbrella group of Islamic and political parties that claims to speak for Kashmir, says the Pandits are welcome back, but a separate Pandit homeland is unacceptable. Kashmir is for all Kashmiris, says the group, which favors separation of the region from India. The Hurriyat is not in favor of division along communal (religious) lines, said Hurriyat spokesman Abdul Majid Banday. The Hurriyat has outraged the Pandits by saying that the stories of killings and intimidation were exaggerated and that the Pandit exodus was part of a government strategy to show the separatist movement in a bad light. Those who fled said
[CTRL] US Dollars marked with UN initials.
-Caveat Lector- Anybody know anything about this overseas money? US News World Report, May 7, 2001, pg 29 (snip) At a Houston hotel in March, Siler watched as Victor Okiti, a white-robed Nigerian, allegedly opened two trunks of US dollars-oddly stamped with the initials UN. Okiti claimed the money was only for overseas use, officials say, and that Silver needed a special chemical to remove the stamp. The chemical's cost $18, 500. (snip) The money too, was counterfeit. Okiti has pleaded innocent to charges of fraud and counterfeiting. BHoward A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Elliott Abrams- A Shameful Choice
http://inq.philly.com/content/inquirer/2001/07/11/opinion/ONEWED11.htm A shameful choice Abrams' past should have prevented Bush from naming him to security post. President Bush has just hired a guy who made headlines in the 1980s as a deceitful, scheming coddler of Latin American tyrants. Elliott Abrams is a poster-boy for America's shameful history of propping up dictators from Santiago to Mexico City - so long as they were anticommunist. Two years ago, President Clinton went to Guatemala and vowed a clean break with this disgraceful legacy. By installing Mr. Abrams at the National Security Council, President Bush seems to be saying: Never mind. It is hard to imagine someone less suited to be the council's senior director for democracy, human rights and international operations. Manuel Noriega? Don King? The hiring of Mr. Abrams - who makes Jesse Helms seem like a milquetoast - mocks the President's saccharine pledge of civility. Elliott Abrams was assistant secretary of state for Latin America for most of the Reagan years. In that role, this high official pooh-poohed the slaughter of civilians in war-torn El Salvador and Guatemala and mocked his critics as "vipers" and worse. He played an important role in the funding of contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government. He didn't just try to end-run the U.S. law that prohibited U.S. military aid to the contras. He actively deceived three congressional committees about what was going on. Facing felony charges based on his testimony, Mr. Abrams pled guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year's probation and 100 hours of community service. But a year later, President George H.W. Bush, whose own role in the Iran-contra scandal has remained murky, handed the uncontrite peddler of lies a full pardon. Elliott Abrams has no business being awarded any position of public trust. For this ethically challenged zealot to be given duties involving democracy and human rights - in an administration pledged to "restore honor and dignity" to the White House - is especially odious. Unfortunately, his appointment - a sop to the Republican right - doesn't require approval by the Senate. The President should realize his error and tell Mr. Abrams' most recent employer, the Washington-based Ethics and Public Policy Center, to take him back for more rehab.
[CTRL] Hive of Scum and Villainy
Free Congress Foundation's Notable News Now July 12, 2001 The Free Congress Guest Commentary Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy by Frederick B. Meekins Students of political science would be forced to conclude that the field of international relations is a discipline fraught with bizarre irony and stunning contradiction. This is no where as evident as it is at the United Nations. Both American policymakers and the general public fell victim to this reality in the controversy surrounding the expulsion of the United States from various UN panels such as the Commission on Human Rights and the International Narcotics Control Board. One almost doesn't know whether to laugh or cry being that these decisions are both a blessing in disguise and a cause for concern all at the same time. For too long, the United States has drifted along in a state of blissful denial or outright complacency as to the maniacal hootenanny taking place under the auspices of the United Nations. The United States has been booted off these international bodies largely because of this nation's refusal to submit fully to the yoke of the globalist agenda and for mustering some courage with the advent of the Bush administration to stand up to this planetary nonsense to a limited degree. It has been speculated that the U.S. is being punished for challenging UN initiatives regarding issues such as the International Criminal Court, the effort to abolish landmines, and the Kyoto global warming treaty --- all of which the United States has rational grounds for opposing. Yet this dispute between the United States and the United Nations runs deeper than these significant but peripheral policy disputes. These disagreements merely scratch the surface of the ideological chasm festering between these two geopolitical powerhouses. Increasingly, freedom lovers everywhere find two opposing interpretations as to the nature of human rights competing for prominence in the world at large. On the one hand can be found the traditional Western view held by the majority of decent upright Americans adhering to the Judeo-Christian worldview that fundamental rights and liberties are granted by God to the individual as an inherent protection against the intrusive tendencies of governments as well as other individuals. Those holding an opposing standard contend that rights --- or rather social privileges --- are granted by government and are subject to modification, curtailment, or even outright abolition in pursuit of a regime's particular agenda. It is this conflict between the differing conceptions of personal liberty that has gotten the United States kicked off the UN panels where the statist interpretation of human rights have come to predominate. A rundown of the Commission's membership will bear this assertion out. Perusing the Commission's rolls is like taking a tour down Dick Tracy's Rogue's Gallery on an international level. The primary power wanting the U.S. off the Commission was none other than our esteemed strategic partner Red China, a nation renowned for its overwhelming devotion to the welfare of the individual. The Communist government there has slaughtered millions in pursuit of dubious ends as epitomized by that county's Great Cultural Revolution. Forced abortions and religious persecution of believing Christians continues in that nation to this very day. Another paragon of inalienable rights guiding the Commission to ever higher plateaus of individual emancipation is Saudi Arabia. In that particular land of opportunity, women aren't even allowed to drive cars and those who convert from Islam to another faith are rewarded by having their heads lopped off. One will realize just how ludicrous the decision to remove the United States from the Commission really is once they learn that the seat belonging to the beacon of hope to the world in this life was given to Sudan. Thus a nation where children are sold into the bondage of slavery for simply belonging to the wrong religion has been elevated as a better example to the world than the land of the free and the home of the brave. Even the more enlightened and civilized nations on the Human Rights Commission leave something to be desired in their interpretation of fundamental rights and liberties. For example, in Canada one can run afoul of the law for speaking out against homosexuality and a number of Evangelicals have been subject to criminal prosecution there for distributing literature critical of other religions. Other industrialized democracies on the Human Rights Commission such as France, Germany, and even the United Kingdom have laws unduly hampering religious and individual expression. A number of those opposed to the controversial agenda being pursued by the United Nations have suggested that now is the perfect time to get out of this planetary bureaucracy in light of this slap across the face of the United States since the UN largely pursues an anti-American agenda
Re: [CTRL] Elliott Abrams- A Shameful Choice
In a message dated 7/12/01 6:27:02 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He played an important role in the funding of contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government. He didn't just try to end-run the U.S. law that prohibited U.S. military aid to the contras. He actively deceived three congressional committees about what was going on. YEAH
Re: [CTRL] Elliott Abrams- A Shameful Choice
In a message dated 7/12/01 6:36:44 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: YEAH Uh huh...figured you'd enjoy subverting our constitution and lying to Congress...good solid conservative values. Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Elliott Abrams- A Shameful Choice
In a message dated 7/12/01 6:39:13 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Uh huh...figured you'd enjoy subverting our constitution and lying to Congress...good solid conservative values. Bill. YEAH
[CTRL] The 2 Bobs- Hanssen Novak
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/iprn/20010711/cm/the_hanssen_mystery_1.html Thursday July 12 03:00 AM EDT The Hanssen Mystery By Robert Novak WASHINGTON -- Three and half-years ago, I reported that a veteran FBI agent resigned and retired after refusing a demand by Attorney General Janet Reno to give the Justice Department the names of top secret sources in China. My primary source was FBI agent Robert Hanssen. Disclosing confidential sources is unthinkable for a reporter seeking to probe behind the scenes in official Washington, but the circumstances here are obviously extraordinary. The same traitor who delivered American spies into the Kremlin's hands was expressing concern about the fate of intelligence assets in China. When my source was revealed as a spy, my first fear was that I had been the victim of disinformation by a truly evil man. I wrote my column of Nov. 24, 1997 only after other officials confirmed Hanssen's account. Nevertheless, I now wanted to make doubly sure and rechecked my report's validity. I did so, and several sources -- including one FBI agent who would not speak to me in 1997 -- totally confirmed what I had written. I am absolutely convinced that Hanssen told me the truth. Then, why break a reporter's responsibility to keep his sources secret? I wrestled with this question for months and finally decided that my experience with Hanssen contributes to the portrait of this most contradictory of all spies. Furthermore, to be honest to my readers, I must reveal it. In mid-November 1997, critics were accusing the Justice Department of covering up 1996 campaign scandals. I was informed by Hanssen that Ray Wickman, head of the FBI's intelligence unit monitoring Chinese operations, was ordered in Reno's name to turn over secret sources in his Chinese account. Wickman refused to surrender this information, resigned from the FBI and retired from the government in September 1997. Wickman declined to discuss this with me then and more recently, when I again approached him. I never met Hanssen but talked to him three times over the telephone, the first at length and twice more briefly to check out information I received from other officials. He seemed to be well organized and deeply concerned about the possible compromise of secret assets in a Communist-ruled country. Hanssen told me Wickman's sources were of the highest caliber and among the FBI's most sensitive. All unattributed quotes in my column came from Hanssen. "It was an insult," I quoted Hanssen in describing the demand made of Wickman. He added: "The purpose of the FBI is to safeguard sources. The whole idea is to keep sources secret from the Justice Department. If Justice is going to have full access to our files, we have no purpose." I now have rechecked these quotes with another FBI source familiar with the Wickman situation. He agreed completely with these sentiments and attested to their accuracy. My encounter with Hanssen came during what the government alleges was his sabbatical from spying for over eight years from the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 until 1999, when KGB alumnus Vladimir Putin became Russia's prime minister en route to the presidency. Unanswerable questions are pondered. During the lengthy interim when he was not betraying his country, could Hanssen have felt some genuine concern about the security of U.S. assets in China if they fell into the hands of the attorney general? Could he have experienced a sudden change of heart after disclosing the identity of U.S. assets in Russia? Or, was he merely using me to undermine Reno -- and his boss, FBI Director Louis Freeh, as well? When I informed Hanssen that Freeh had told a member of Congress that he had heard nothing about Wickman's resignation, he replied disdainfully: "Of course, he heard about it." The accuracy of that assertion also has been newly verified to me by an additional source. Robert Hanssen is an enigma and will remain so at least until he reveals himself. The speculation that he is purely the embodiment of evil tends to be undermined by the validity of his report about Ray Wickman. He really may have been living a double-life, one as a patriotic, religious American and the other as spy of the century. That sounds fanciful, but any other explanation fails.
[CTRL] Fwd: UNDERNEWS JUL 12
UNDERNEWS July 12, 2001 THE PROGRESSIVE REVIEW Editor: Sam Smith Washington's most unofficial source 1312 18th St. NW #502, Washington DC 20036 202-835-0770 Fax: 835-0779 REVIEW E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] REVIEW INDEX HEADLINES: http://www.prorev.com/ UNDERNEWS: http://www.prorev.com/indexa.htm REVIEW FORUM: http://www.topica.com/lists/reviewtalk/read WORD Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes. Henry David Thoreau, who was born this day in 1817 CONDIT CASE Exploratory hypothesis Operating on the Maine principle of not talking unless it improves on silence, your editor has been quiet about the Condit case. This morning, however, a speculation entered my head that refuses to depart. This may not, I suddenly realized, be a story about one womans disappearance and one mans transgressions but about a number of women and a number of men. In other words, we may only be seeing the tip of the penis. The possibility that the Condit case has exposed some form of group sex on Capitol Hill whether involving call girls or faith-based voluntary activity would go a long way towards explaining the strange way everyone seems to be acting. It might explain the desire of the DC police to keep the Modesto cops from pursuing their own investigation. It might explain the disappearance of not only Chandra Levy but a ministers daughter who was involved with Condit who has chosen to go into hiding, not to mention the high stakes legal assistance, the days it took the MPD to get around to checking out Condits pad, and Anne Marie Smith being interviewed for six hours by the FBI and the DC cops, with Smith saying that she told some them some things they didnt know. It would not in any way conflict with the Capitol Hill and Washington tradition of commingling sex, politics, drugs, and even, more significantly, blackmail. The current issue of Adult Entertainment Monthly, for example, reports that Archeologists digging just four blocks from Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., have unearthed the remains of a 19th-century bordello owned by Mary Ann Hall, a determined 20-something who built and managed the three-story brick building, yet was never busted by police even as dozens of other similar houses in the city were targeted. Later, during Prohibition, the notorious Man in the Green Hat kept Capitol Hill offices supplied with the substances they prohibited elsewhere. And J. Edgar Hoover is believed to have blackmailed numerous members of Congress over their sexual proclivities much as mobster Meyer Lansky is said to have boasted that he had fixed that son of a bitch i.e. Hoover- with photos of Hoover having sex with a close aide. Interestingly, while there is little evidence of the Italian mafia being active in DC, Lansky did have some operations here. Hoover may also have blackmailed Jack Kennedy, an easy target what with his affairs with a mob moll, a movie star with Mafia connections, and an east German spy. In a revisionist version of the origins of the Watergate affair, not only were the burglars allegedly after evidence of a call girl ring working with the Democratic National Committee, but there were allegations of a similar Capitol Hill operations staffed by secretaries, office workers, and a White House secretary. Then there was Rep. Barney Frank hiring a male prostitute in 1986 who later claimed he ran a sex ring out of Franks Capitol Hill apartment. As recently as last year, the ethically challenged Rep. Jim Traficant was trying to work the game the other way, claiming to be to be investigating corruption in the U.S. Justice Department and alleging that Janet Reno is being controlled by a blackmailer who has a video of her cavorting with a call girl. What is interesting about this is not that the story is credible but that a member of Congress thought it might be. assumed it might be. One may, as liberals did under Clinton, take the view view that all sex is good sex. This ignores, among other things, the blackmail factor. As Condit has demonstrated, not all politicians can wiggle out of these situations as easily as Clinton did. Not all have such forgiving constituencies. In fact, it would not be surprising if some of them were blackmailed during the impeachment hearings. More importantly, it is probable that politicians are blackmailed not just by domestic opponents but by foreign lands. There are some reports that both the Russians and the Israelis knew about Monica Lewinsky before Americans did. Intelligence investigator Peter Dale Scott thinks that international blackmail and sex with politicians is an ongoing, highly organized, and protected operation that has driven the major scandals of Washington since at least the beginning of the Cold War. Scott has also suggested that the mob and lobbyists use call girls for blackmail. As is the case with stories such as those involving BCCI and the Mena drug operations, everyone involved has something to lose by public
[CTRL] Gov. Gary Johnson- Drug War A Bad Investment
http://www.motherjones.com/prisons/investment.html BAD INVESTMENT Take it from a businessman: The War on Drugs is just money down the drain. By Governor Gary E. Johnson (R-NM) July 10, 2001 As the Republican governor of New Mexico, I'm neither soft on crime nor pro-drugs in any sense. I believe a person who harms another person should be punished. But as a successful businessman, I also believe that locking up more and more people who are nonviolent drug offenders, people whose real problem is that they are addicted to drugs, is simply a waste of money and human resources. Drugs are a handicap. I don't think anyone should use them. But if a person is using marijuana in his or her own home, doing no harm to anyone other than arguably to himself or herself, should that person be arrested and put in jail? In my opinion, the answer is no. Any social policy or endeavor should be evaluated based on its actual effectiveness, just as in business any investment should be evaluated based on its returns. By that standard, the nationwide drug war is a failure. After 20-plus years of zero-tolerance policies and increasingly harsh criminal penalties, we have over half a million people behind bars on drug charges nationwide -- more than the total prison population in all of Western Europe. We're spending billions of dollars to keep them locked up. Yet the federal government's own research demonstrates that drugs are cheaper, purer, and more readily available than when this war started. Heroin use is up. Ecstasy use is up. Teenagers say that marijuana is easier to get than alcohol. No matter how you slice it, this is no success story. In 1981, the federal government spent about $1.5 billion on the drug war. Today, we spend almost $20 billion a year at the federal level, with the states spending at least that much again. In 1980, the federal government arrested a few hundred thousand people on drug charges; today we arrest 1.6 million people a year for drug offenses. Yet we still have a drug problem. Should we continue until the federal government spends $40 billion and arrests 3.2 million people a year for drugs? What about $80 billion and 6.4 million arrests? The logical conclusion of this is that we'll be spending the entire gross national product on drug-law enforcement and still not be addressing our drug problem. I believe the costs outweigh the benefits. In New Mexico, the cost to the state of treating drug use as a crime is over $43 million per year -- and this does not even include local and federal expenditures, which nearly triple that number. Over half of that money goes to corrections costs. Yet despite this outlay, New Mexico has one of the highest rates of drug-related crime and one of the highest heroin-usage rates in the nation. Our results dictate that our money be spent another way. That's why I have called for a reevaluation of my state's current drug strategies, and we have begun to make great progress in this area. A study by the RAND Corporation shows that every dollar spent on treatment instead of imprisonment saves $7 in state costs. Treatment is significantly more effective at reducing drug use than jail and prison. I believe the most cost-effective way to deal with nonviolent drug users would be to stop prosecuting them, and instead to make an effective spectrum of treatment services available to those who request it. I propose a new bottom line for evaluating our success. Currently, our government measures the success of our drug policies by whether drug use went up or down, or whether seizures went up or down, or how many acres of coca we eradicated in South America. These are absolutely the wrong criteria. Instead of asking how many people smoked marijuana last year, we should ask if drug-related crime went up or down. Instead of asking how many people did heroin last year, we should ask whether heroin overdoses went up or down. We should ask if public nuisances associated with drug use and dealing went up or down. In short, we should be trying to reduce the harm caused by and suffered by drug users, instead of simply trying to lock them all up. A drug policy that has these questions in mind would be much more sensible, pragmatic, and cost-effective than our current one. We need to reform our drug policies. The goal should be to help those addicted to drugs to find a better way. The answer is not imprisonment and legal attack. The answer lies in sentencing reform, in supplying treatment on demand, and in delivering honest drug education to our kids. We need policies that reflect what we know about drug addiction rather than policies that seek to punish it. The days of a drug war waged against our people should come to an end. If we take a new approach -- one that deals with drugs through a medical model rather than a criminal justice model -- I guarantee that prison rates will drop, violent crime will decrease, property crime will decrease, overdose deaths will decrease, AIDS and
Re: [CTRL] Civil Rights Not meant for White Men?
-Caveat Lector- From: Aleisha Saba That was directed to you June.maybe I should have painted a little red arrow to your overstuffed computer chair? Go back to your dog pound and fight with the pit bulls.. Gee, I seem to remember Kris, the list owner, requesting that personal attacks such as the above cease and desist immediately, else the poster risk being removed from the list... Seems to be a double standard here, as Saba/Colleen is allowed her pitbull attacks on everyone with whom she disagrees June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Feds Open Inquiry Into Rep. Condit
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Feds Open Inquiry Into Rep. Condit Audio/Video Condit's Apartment Searched - (ABCNEWS.com) By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - Federal authorities have opened an initial criminal inquiry into whether Rep. Gary Condit (news - bio - voting record) obstructed justice or encouraged perjury in the investigation of Chandra Levy's disappearance, law enforcement officials said Thursday. Authorities specifically are looking at a flight attendant's claim that Condit urged her to sign a statement denying a 10-month affair she says they had. Anne Marie Smith also said Condit told her she did not have to cooperate with FBI (news - web sites) agents who questioned her. ``It is in the preliminary stages, talking to witnesses and trying to determine if we should proceed further,'' said one law enforcement official familiar with the matter, who spoke only on condition of anonymity. Condit has denied asking anyone to lie or not cooperate with investigators who are trying to figure out what happened to Levy, a former federal intern who was last seen April 30. He has not commented on any relationship with Smith. Marina Ein, a spokeswoman for Condit, repeated Thursday that he is cooperating with police in all aspects of the investigation. Smith, 39, was interviewed Wednesday and again Thursday by FBI agents and prosecutors from the U.S. attorney's office. Law enforcement officials said the preliminary inquiry is routine when such allegations surface but prosecutors decided to join FBI agents in the initial interview of Smith because of the congressman's profile. ``What is on the plate is perjury and obstructing justice, and we must decide if these allegations have merit,'' one official said, speaking on condition of anonymity. The search for Levy was proceeding on several fronts Thursday, including a search of vacant buildings in the nation's capital. ``We have to explore the possibility that she may be dead and we're looking for the remains,'' said Terrance Gainer, the city's No. 2 police official, said on CBS' ``The Early Show.'' ``So we're looking at about one-seventh of the District of Columbia right now, at abandoned buildings. Gainer said investigators still are working on four theories in Levy's disappearance: that she was a victim of foul play, committed suicide, walked away voluntarily or is wandering around not knowing who she is. Police also are negotiating with Condit's lawyer, Abbe Lowell, to set conditions under which the California Democrat would submit to a lie detector test. Condit, who police say is not a suspect in Levy's disappearance, told authorities last week that he had a romantic relationship with the 24-year-old woman, police sources say. ``The congressman's attorney has suggested we can get to a polygraph'' test, Gainer said. The Washington Post and CNN, citing police sources, reported police have asked three other men to take polygraph tests. One said he occasionally socialized with Levy, but the connection of the other two to Levy was not immediately clear. Several items taken from Condit's apartment during a search that ended at 3 a.m. Wednesday were being turned over to the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Va., said Sgt. Joe Gentile, a police spokesman. Condit voluntarily allowed the search to show his cooperation in the search for Levy, a constituent from Modesto, Calif., whom he has described publicly as a good friend. Meantime, the Post reported in Thursday's editions that FBI agents have interviewed a Pentecostal minister who described an affair between his then-18-year-old daughter and Condit, who is 53 and married with two grown children. The minister, Otis Thomas, was quoted by the Post as saying Condit had told his daughter never to speak of the relationship. On Thursday morning, a handwritten note was posted on the door of Thomas' home in Ceres, Calif. It was signed ``Jennifer Thomas'' and said, ``I never met that congressman who's involved in all this. ... I don't even know how both me and my father got mixed up in this, we don't know anything.'' Betty Hoffman, who lives in an apartment below the Thomases, confirmed Jennifer Thomas is Otis Thomas' daughter. Hoffman said she last saw Otis Thomas three days ago, and he told her the FBI suggested he leave town to avoid the media. Thomas told the Post his daughter is afraid to talk with the FBI and has gone into hiding, but Hoffman said Jennifer Thomas works at a local fast food restaurant and was home Wednesday. Thomas told the Post that his daughter met Condit at a political rally and ended the relationship about seven years ago. Thomas, whose church is in Modesto, did gardening work at the Levy home in Modesto, the Post said. Dr. Robert and Susan Levy, Levy's parents, confirmed Thursday that they know Thomas, but declined to comment on the Post report. ``We do appreciate his concern,'' Dr. Levy
[CTRL] Police search Condit's apartment
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Police search Condit's apartment By John Drake and Janine A. Zeitlin THE WASHINGTON TIMES Investigators in the Chandra Levy case yesterday found no signs of a struggle or any obvious incriminating evidence in an early morning search of Rep. Gary A. Condit's apartment, which had been cleaned beforehand, law enforcement sources told The Washington Times. D.C. police and FBI agents did not expect to find anything that would make or break the missing persons case, and the key data will arrive in two to four weeks when experts conclude DNA tests on blood and other evidence recovered from the California Democrat's Adams Morgan apartment, the sources said. During a four-hour search of Mr. Condit's fourth-floor apartment in the 2600 block of Adams Mill Road NW, crime-scene technicians took samples from one drop of blood in plain sight in the bathroom and from specks detected with special equipment in the living room, one source said. The sources characterized the blood as very minimal or the size of pin drops. One law enforcement source remarked on the absence of a computer in the apartment and the cleanliness of the residence. It has been cleaned all over and was pretty neat, the source said. Mr. Condit, 53, and his wife, Carolyn, were present, and both were polite and kept mostly to themselves, a law enforcement source said, adding that they appeared tired. The source said Mr. Condit's attorney, Abbe Lowell, repeatedly challenged the search team and refused to let them take a pair of pants that had a red stain. Mr. Lowell became angry when one technician -- in an episode broadcast on television -- cut a piece out of the venetian blinds because of specks that might possibly be blood, the source said. Investigators conducted the search without a warrant early yesterday after accepting Mr. Lowell's offer on Wednesday to examine Mr. Condit's apartment, conduct a lie-detector test on the congressman, collect DNA samples and interview his Capitol Hill staff. Police have not charged Mr. Condit with a crime and have said he is not a suspect in Miss Levy's disappearance. Meanwhile yesterday, flight attendant Anne Marie Smith met with federal prosecutors and FBI agents at the agency's Washington Field Office as part of a probe into whether Mr. Condit tampered with a witness or suborned perjury in his dealings with her. Miss Smith, 39, last week said Mr. Condit urged her not to talk with the FBI and his representatives tried to persuade her to sign a false affidavit denying their 10-month affair. Mr. Condit and his attorneys have disputed her assertions. A spokeswoman for the FBI's Washington Field Office yesterday confirmed that Miss Smith was at the building, but she said she could not provide any other details. Miss Smith left the building by a rear exit about 2 p.m., avoiding a phalanx of reporters. Police and FBI officials have refused to discuss details of the case, and would not say what was recovered from Mr. Condit's apartment. The forensic search team yesterday concentrated on finding blood -- which could indicate foul play -- and not semen or hair samples, the law enforcement sources said, adding that one black hair about three to four inches long was found. No semen was discovered, one source said. The evidence was to be sent to the FBI's forensic lab yesterday or today, and DNA results could be available as early as two weeks, a source said. None of this means anything unless there's a match, the source said. Detectives will check the DNA results from the apartment against that of Mr. Condit, Miss Levy, her parents and others involved with the case. Executive Assistant Police Chief Terrance W. Gainer yesterday said he and other police officials are working with Mr. Lowell on the details of conducting a lie-detector test on Mr. Condit and collecting DNA samples from him. Mr. Condit, whose district includes Miss Levy's hometown of Modesto, Calif., consented to the search after pressure mounted from police and Miss Levy's parents over his lack of cooperation. Mr. Lowell set several conditions for authorities to search the apartment, a law enforcement source said. Investigators had to wear plainclothes and not bring the Mobile Crime Lab's large truck, instead using less-conspicuous vehicles so as not to further sully the congressman's image. Billy Martin, the attorney for the Levy family, said they have asked for Mr. Condit to undergo a lie-detector test without any conditions. He said he has written to Mr. Lowell asking that Mr. Condit take the test but has not received a response. Once again the matter is, he is saying he is cooperating, Mr. Martin said. When we asked for one there were no conditions placed on it. Now it is up to the congressman to speak up and tell the complete truth. Marina Ein, a
[CTRL] Flight attendant scared for her life
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Flight attendant scared for her life Condit paramour tells of strange sex, rules of affair -- -- © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com The attorney for the flight attendant who said she had a 10-month affair with U.S. Rep. Gary Condit, D-Calif., told Fox News Channel's Paula Zahn the congressman mysteriously forbade his client from using a closet in his apartment just before Chandra Levy was reported missing. Attorney Jim Robinson of Seattle speculated on The Edge With Paula Zahn that Condit arranged for his wife to visit him in Washington from April 28 to May 3 as a ploy to keep the missing intern away from his apartment so that whatever happened could happen. Robinson, who represents Anne Marie Smith, also said his client had related some peculiar sexual fantasies that a normal heterosexual man does not have and had seen signs of unusual sexual activity that she had nothing to do with. In a separate report, Fox News reports Washington police found traces of blood on window blinds in Condit's apartment during a search. The blood was collected for analysis, according to police sources quoted by Fox News correspondent Rita Cosby. Robinson said Smith had feared for her life, and he had asked her, Did you call me because I'm a good attorney or (because) I'm an ex-Marine? Smith's response was, I think ex-Marine would be more accurate, he said. There's already a missing girl, and she didn't want to be the second one, Robinson told Zahn. The lawyer said that near the end of Smith's relationship with Condit, things started to really disturb Anne Marie. She found what she believed to be Chandra's hair in the bathroom. Moreover, he said, Smith saw neckties knotted together and tied underneath the bed as if someone had been tied up in bed. Condit made a joke of Smith's concern. And then this woman disappears. She was terrified. Levy, 24, was last seen at the Washington Sports Club April 30. Levy, from Modesto, Calif., had recently completed an internship at the Federal Bureau of Prisons. She had planned to return to her home state to receive a master's degree from the University of Southern California. Police found no sign of forced entry or a struggle in Levy's apartment. The doors were locked, her bags were half-packed, and cash and credit cards were found inside. Only Levy's keys and a gold ring were missing. On Friday, after two months of denial, Condit, 53, reportedly admitted to police that his relationship with Levy had been sexual. For weeks he had maintained the two were âjust good friends.â Late Tuesday night, an evidence-gathering team made a search of Condit's apartment that lasted until just before 3 a.m. Wednesday. On July 3, Smith told Fox News that Condit had asked her to sign a declaration denying her relationship with the congressman and told her that she did not have to talk to the FBI after Levy's disappearance. The man suborned perjury, flat-out, Robinson told Zahn. Condit's attorneys countered by saying the cover letter allowed Smith to make additions or deletions to the document. Robinson told Zahn, That's not quite true. He said it's common for attorneys to include those provisions for such things as misspelled names. I didn't think anything of it at the time until I got down to paragraph five. And paragraph five is the opposite of the truth. On July 4, Smith said Condit had called her approximately May 5 or 6. She said Condit had told her that he might be in trouble and that he was going to have to disappear for a while. After searching Rep. Gary Conditâs condominium, police continued to try to arrange for the congressman to take a lie-detector test and provide a DNA sample. Police Chief Charles Ramsey told NBC News that Condit had agreed to undergo the polygraph exam, but sources indicated the terms were still under negotiation and that Conditâs attorney might insist on restrictions that police searching for missing intern Chandra Levy would not accept. Smith said earlier on Fox News Channel that investigators indicated she had provided them with new information during the six hours she met with them. She would not disclose what she told them, but said she would meet with them again. Smith said she and Condit never talked about Levy. She said she last spoke to Condit 2½ weeks ago and that he again urged her to sign the statement. Condit has not commented on any relationship with Smith, but in a statement last week said he never asked anyone to lie. Condit, 53 and married, told police last week that he had an affair with Levy, according to a source familiar with the investigation. His staff had claimed for weeks that they were just goods friends. The disappearance still is being treated as a missing-person case and police have said repeatedly that Condit is not a suspect. Yet, Robinson told
[CTRL] Gertz: Beijing more cautious of Bush
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Gertz: Beijing more cautious of Bush National-security expert says W's warning on Taiwan taken seriously -- -- By Jon Dougherty © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com One of the nation's foremost national-security reporters has hinted to a Taiwanese newspaper that China's leaders are more cautious of U.S. power under the leadership of President George W. Bush than they were under the administration of former President Bill Clinton. Bill Gertz, a national-security correspondent for The Washington Times and author of two books on China's growing threat to the United States, also said that people who are pro-China and who want to play down danger from China are dominating U.S.-Sino policy debate. This is a real problem. It is not so much a question of right or wrong. [But] these people have a predominant view in the government and within the academic community, Gertz told The Taipei Times newspaper. And they don't want to listen to any other debate. If they disagree with you, they attack you as right-wingers. I have been labeled with some of the [same] accusations. But clearly there needs to be a re-evaluation of the situation, he said. Gertz said his most recent book, The China Threat, examines what Beijing calls the 'China threat theory.' One of the highest priorities of Chinese intelligence and diplomatic personnel â not just in the U.S. but around the world â is to monitor what they call the China threat theory, Gertz told the paper. According to their military writings, they understand there will be a certain period when people will recognize China as a threat. They actually calculate the time â from 2020 to 2030. They call this the dangerous decade. Gertz said the problem with U.S. policy towards China today is that it is fashioned on the same policy adopted by official Washington during the Nixon administration and, hence, is outmoded. The people who formulated that policy want to continue that policy. They do not want to evaluate. My argument is that we need now to re-evaluate the U.S. policy toward China, he said. Regarding how Chinese leaders view President Bush, as compared to Bush's predecessor, Bill Clinton, the reporter said he believes Beijing is taking the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue much more seriously. I recall a situation that was related to me by a defense official. Adm. Dennis Blair [commander in chief of the U.S. Pacific forces] went to China a year or so ago, Gertz told the paper. He tried to clarify the U.S. position on Taiwan as that the U.S. would defend Taiwan if it were attacked. And I was told that the Chinese dismissed at the time Blair's statement as laughable bluster. However, he said recent Bush comments committing to the defense of Taiwan were as valuable as Aegis missile ships. I was told by reliable U.S. defense sources that China's interpretation of President Bush's remarks was that not only would the U.S. use conventional forces against China, but nuclear forces as well, he said. I think it is really important that the president clarifies that, Gertz added. Gertz has been considered a must-read reporter for many national-security, defense and military policymakers and analysts in the United States and abroad. His sources have been described both as impeccable and unusually reliable â so much so that at times he has come under scrutiny for divulging too much information. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A
[CTRL] Signs of instability in Syria
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Signs of instability in Syria Damascusâ old guard ruling elite at odds with Assad? -- -- Editor's note: DEBKAfile's electronic news publication is a news-cum-analysis live wire, online round the clock seven days a week. A weekly edition, DEBKA-Net-Weekly, is now available through WorldNetDaily.com. Drawing on DEBKAfile's unique sources, analytical talents and forward-looking insights, it is presented as a compact, intelligence-angled weekly package. It is available as a direct e-mail feed or via the Internet. © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com Syrian President Bashar Assad's visit to Berlin this week as the guest of German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder represented some fateful days for the Middle East. DEBKA-Net-Weekly's sources report Israel is carefully observing signs of conflict between Assad and Syria's old guard ruling elite â a conflict that might mean there is potential for a breakthrough in establishing peace talks with Damascus. Israel's two air strikes against Syrian radar stations â on the Beirut-Damascus road in April and in central Lebanon last month â fit in the framework of these observations, reports DEBKA. By sending the planes into action after Hezbollah guerrilla attacks on Israeli army positions on the Lebanese border, Israeli Prime Minister Sharon tried to deliver two messages. The first was a heavy hint to Assad of the kind of damage the Syrian army could expect to suffer in Lebanon and back home if Israel began to attack Syrian military targets. The second was an attempt to weaken the position of the veteran Syrian leadership circle held over from Hafez Assad, who died 13 months ago, when his son Bashar took over. Sharon thought he spotted differences between the behavior and response of the Syrian president and those of the Damascus old guard. He believed there was a chance that Assad would try to break free from the clutches of Defense Minister Mustafa Tlas, Chief of Staff Hikmat Shihabi, Vice President Abdel Halim Khadam and Foreign Minister Farouq a-Shara. The road sign Sharon thought he saw flashing was not political or military, but economic. Sharon read the intelligence reports that landed on his desk from Damascus which said that in the past few months, this select group of Syria leaders, fearing they would lose their positions of influence, had blocked every attempt by Assad to carry out economic reforms and modernization. The reports spoke of extremely tense relations between the president and the old leadership. A breakthrough to the diplomatic track became a central pillar of Sharon's policy in the past several weeks. Getting political circles in the United States and Europe talking about an imminent resumption of Israeli-Syrian peace negotiations would relieve some of the pressure on Sharon to start discussions with the Americans and Palestinians on implementing the Mitchell report in the face of ongoing Palestinian terrorism. It also would enable him to continue his policy of military restraint toward the Palestinians, which cuts several percentage points off his popularity rating each week and puts them in the basket of his strongest political rival, former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is constantly breathing down his neck. Moreover, foreign focus on the Syrian track would relieve Sharon of the yoke of his political dependence on Shimon Peres, who has opposed the Syrian option since the 1993 Oslo accords, believing, quiet rightly, that it shunts aside the Arafat-Palestinian option. Rebuilding the Syrian channel was so important to Sharon that he requested and received U.S. approval for the move, first in his White House talks with President George W. Bush in June and then during U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell's visit to the Middle East. Sharon's hopes were bolstered by Assad's visit to Paris in mid-June. DEBKA-Net-Weekly's sources in Paris say that although Assad presented a tough, uncompromising line in his one-on-one talks with French President Jacques Chirac â refusing to listen to a word about resuming negotiations with Israel â he took a completely different tack in his meeting with French Prime Minister Lionel Jospin, emphasizing the need for Syria to rebuild its economy. A country that builds a new economy, Assad told Jospin, has no time for useless wars. Assad did not tell Jospin that renewed talks with Israel would be the next step down the line, but even without that commitment, he sounded upbeat. After meeting Jospin, Assad took another unconventional step. He made a point of responding to questions from Israel Radio's correspondent in Paris. In his answers, he included the phrase that Syria was always interested in resuming political negotiations with Israel. In assessing the differences between what Assad told Chirac and what he said to Jospin,
[CTRL] U.N.'s Real Gun Agenda Emerges
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! U.N.'s Real Gun Agenda Emerges Lawrence Auster Tuesday, July 10, 2001 The official name of the meeting taking place at the U.N. General Assembly this week and next is the United Nations Conference on the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects. The portentous-sounding phrase illicit trade in small arms and light weapons is worth repeating, because the conference speakers themselves keep endlessly repeating it, word for word like a mystical mantra, along with impassioned calls for the worldwide elimination of small arms and light weapons. Spoken so often, the words begin to have an almost hypnotic effect. But what do they really mean? What is this conference really after? The first day offered troubling clues. Over and over the delegates described small arms and light weapons in the direst terms. The delegate from Mozambique called such weapons nothing less than a threat to humanity. Not only that, but they are responsible for poverty, backwardness, and a lack of democracy, and are an obstacle to a country's development. Several delegates made the point â were they all reading from the same crib sheet? â that more than 500 million small arms are circulating, one for every 12 human beings in the world. Another speaker said that every year the number of casualties from small arms and light weapons is greater than those at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. What this means, he said, is that small arms and light weapons are weapons of mass destruction and must be dealt with accordingly. Truly, to stop such a plague, it would seem that the most rigorous measures are called for. Deer Hunting With a Weapon of Mass Destruction But before we rush ahead with this program to save humanity, what exactly are these small arms that the humanitarians want to eliminate? According to the U.N.'s own Web site: Small arms are weapons designed for personal use, while light weapons are designed for use by several persons serving as a crew. Examples of small arms include revolvers and self-loading pistols, rifles, sub-machine guns, assault rifles and light machine-guns. Light weapons include heavy machine-guns, some types of grenade launchers, portable anti-aircraft and anti-tank guns, and portable launchers of anti-aircraft missile systems. In other words, revolvers and rifles are weapons of mass destruction! By this logic, criminal acts in the U.S. involving handguns pose the same order of danger to mankind as the hydrogen bomb, and require the type of global solution that U.N. bureaucrats are most eager to provide. The long-term aim seems to be a worldwide system of gun control, as suggested by a delegate from the European Union who said that the convention's non-binding draft Program of Action is only a point of departure for a much larger scheme. It should be our goal to achieve agreement ... on all aspects of how to combat small arms and light weapons. The goal, he said, is a world free from illicit traffic in small arms and light weapons that have caused so much suffering. As this reference to illicit kept being made over and over, I wondered, if illicit arms must be eliminated, why not licit weapons as well? Why should legal arms that used to harm civilians be of any less concern than arms traded illegally? The answer came soon enough from the morning's most aggressive speaker, Foreign Minister Jozias van Artsen of the Netherlands. Van Artsen hinted where he was heading when he changed the formulaic phrase the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons to the uncontrolled trade in small arms and light weapons. Stopping this uncontrolled traffic, he said, is not enough. We must further regulate the legal trade in arms to prevent spillover to the illegal arms trade. He then praised the systematic destruction of weapons that has been carried out by several countries and urged an expansion of such programs. The inescapable implication of van Artsen's words is that he wants to see the physical destruction of all small weapons in the world â or rather, the destruction of all small weapons not owned by government. Van Artsen, ominously, received the strongest applause of any speaker during the first morning of the conference. A Voice of Sanity The only speaker who stood against this globalist tide â indeed, the only speaker who used logical arguments instead of ritualistic phrases aimed at manipulating people's emotions â was U.S. Undersecretary of State John Bolton. While agreeing that stopping illicit traffic in small arms and light weapons is a worthy goal, Bolton noted that small arms and light weapons in our understanding are military weapons. We separate them from hunting rifles and pistols that are privately owned. The U.S., he continued, does not begin by presuming that all small arms and light weapons are problematic. It is illicit trade in military weapons that are at issue â a
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/12/01 4:58:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -the most extreme disparities between white and nonwhite incarceration rates are not in the South, but in northeastern Democratic strongholds like Pennsylvania and Connecticut. How about this! These are liberal strongholds. BHoward A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Report: Bin Laden Has Army of 35,000
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Report: Bin Laden Has Army of 35,000 NewsMax.com Wires Thursday, July 12, 2001 ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Saudi millionaire and dissident Osama bin Laden has raised an army of 35,000 men for incursion and terrorism to destabilize Central Asia, a media report said. Chiefs of the border guards of the Commonwealth of Independent States, who met in the Georgian capital of Tbilisi on Wednesday, said they had noted an increase in bin Laden's activities in the region, reported Press Trust of India. They said major camps of international militants, including Arabs, Chechens and Filipinos, are located in the Taliban-held areas of Afghanistan along the borders of CIS countries. The camps reportedly receive generous aid from bin Laden. Meanwhile, anticipating a massive incursion of Islamic militants in Central Asia in the coming months, Russia and its regional allies have begun holding military exercises, the report said. Recently, the Kazakhstan army conducted an exercise to liberate villages occupied by Islamic militants. In the Sverdlovsk region in the Urals, the Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations and Civil Defense conducted a mock operation to tackle possible rocket strikes by extremists on vital chemical installations, the report added. Russia and other member states of the CIS are also preparing their quick-reaction strike forces in Central Asia to deal with the emerging threat. Last month an Arab TV station, Middle East Broadcasting Center, showed excerpts from a report filmed in Kandahar, Afghanistan, which said fighters of bin Laden were on a state of alert. The broadcast report claimed that bin Laden's men are ready to attack the U.S. and Israeli interests worldwide. But Afghanistan's ruling Taliban denied the report. Last week Richard Armitage, deputy U.S. secretary of state, warned that the United States could launch military retaliation against the Taliban if bin Laden attacked U.S. interests. The outgoing U.S. ambassador to Pakistan, William Milam, also gave the same warning to the Taliban during a meeting in Islamabad. Also last week, President Bush decided to renew U.S. sanctions imposed on the Taliban ruling militia for harboring bin Laden. The Taliban continue to allow territory under its control in Afghanistan to be used as a safe haven and base of operation of Osama bin Laden, the president said in a June 30 letter to the U.S. Congress. The Taliban described as tyrannical the extension of sanctions against it by the United States. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Civilian Work Camps, Police State Weaponry, Counter-Insurgency Comes Home
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Pointman USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: con4 (5) And this is supposed to prove 300 concentration camps??? Read Christian Parenti, Lockdown America, Verso Books, 2000, available in pb. at Borders, Barnes Noble, etc. And this from Covert Action Quarterly by Frank Morales. Otherwise, you are being a conspiranoid nut! ;-) Michael Pugliese Gas me * Stun me * Shoot me * Zap me * Douse me * Drug me * Shut me up http://www.covertactionquarterly.org/ca70/contents70.htm http://www.covertactionquarterly.org/ca70/index.htm#free Find below text summaries and sample PDF articles from CovertAction Quarterly, number 70. COVER STORY WELCOME TO THE FREE WORLD Frank Morales reveals how non-lethal weapons are being used with sometimes deadly effect against peaceful campaigners. Summary: The U.S. military is expanding its missions under globalization. It recognizes that in operations other than war... recent history shows that the most likely threats are from civil disturbances. The Pentagon is preparing to counter popular protest utilizing the latest in non-lethal weapons technology. The new weapons are intended primarily to suppress civil unrest - and have been used extensively at recent global trade and other largely peaceful protests in Seattle, Washington DC, Philadelphia, LA, Prague and Davos. The label non-lethal weapon, utilized strictly for public relations purposes, masks an increase in the overall scope of violence directed against civilians in both warfare and law enforcement scenarios. Under the guise of undeclared operations other than war - and other Pentagonisms - so-called non-lethal weapons allow for the increased repression and torture of non-combatant populations, particularly those opposed to this agenda. The armory ranges from tasers to stun guns, pepper spray to CS gas, hallucinogens to sedatives, rayguns to plastic bullets. As this new phase in the global class war emerges and grows, along with the internationalization of U.S. initiated and exported methodologies of civil disturbance suppression, the utilization of non-lethal weapons will increase, both here and around the world. CovertAction Quarterly, No.70, April-June 2001, pages 6-13. Get the full article: To order CA70, click HERE EXCERPTS Killing me softly: How non-lethal weapons can kill and maim PDF version 382K Taxonomy of terror: What they'll be firing this season. CovertAction's guide to non-lethal weapons PDF version 122K Subject: [CTRL] Pentagon Fielding Electromagnetic Crowd Dispersal Weapon Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:57:09 EDT -Caveat Lector- from: http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=41810group=webcast Click Here: A HREF=http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=41810group=webcast; Independent Media Center - webcast news/A - Latest in so called non-lethal technology designed to counter popular protest Pentagon Fielding Electromagnetic Crowd Dispersal Weapon By Frank Morales The Marine Corps is on the verge of unveiling perhaps the biggest breakthrough in weapons technology since the atomic bomb: a nonlethal weapon that fires directed energy at human targets. I have nothing to hide. This is a good news story. Our American public needs to understand that we have done our homework. - Col. George Fenton, Director, Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate, Department of Defense Marine Corps Times, March 5, 2001 (1) In a neatly calculated unveiling of weapons designed for social control, for use against civilians and the suppression of dissent, the Pentagon has gone transparent with the latest in electronic weapons technology which targets people. At a selective press briefing for congressional and military leaders this past March 1st, Pentagon officials stated they were developing a new non-lethal weapon which uses electromagnetic energy to cause a bur ning sensation on the skin. (Reuters, 3/1/01) The biggest breakthrough in weapons technology since the atomic bomb is none other than the so-called Vehicle-Mounted Active Denial System or VMADS. According to the March 5th issue of the Marine Corps Times, (cited above) in an article entitled, The People Zapper: This new secret weapon doesn't kill, but it sure does burn, the VMADS system is the first non-lethal, directed energy weapon designed specifically for use against humans. The weapon focuses energy into a beam of micromillimeter waves designed to stop an individual in his tracks. Powered by electricity, it would ultimately be powered by the modified Humvee on which it would be mounted. According to the Marine Corps Times report, the projected energy which falls near microwaves on the electromagnetic spectrum, causes the moisture in a person's skin to heat up rapidly, creating a burning sensation, similar to a hot light bulb pressed against
Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists
-Caveat Lector- --- Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists TheIndependent - London 7-12-1 Global warming is happening now, caused by human actions __ Nakano comments: Yes friends, it's true. The warming and other strange anomalous weather many areas are experiencing is being caused by human actions. It's just not the same human actions you are being told about in the alleged news media. The cause is NOT any of the following: freon propellant from hairspray cans freon from refrigerators or air conditioners the burning of coal or oil car exhaust emissions the burning of the rain forest nor is the cause cow farts, as Ronnie Reagan told us. No, it's none of the above. The earth's climate is being intentionally modified. Some of our weather is being controlled. The jet streams are being steered and manipulated via the creation of artificial blocking high pressure systems. If this sounds unbelievable, may I suggest some authoritative sources of information for you to check this out. A good place to start is the book Angels Don't Play This HAARP by Dr. Nick Begich Look up the patents of Dr. Bernard Eastlund. (He had a website). Go to the records of the Congressional Committee hearings in which the U.S. Air Force and the Navy told the committee they wanted money appropriated to build HAARP. They clearly stated the purpose of this technology...and I quote. To control the ionosphere for military purposes. And this is exactly what they are doing. Regards to All Nakano __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists
-Caveat Lector- --- Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists The Independent - London Global warming is happening now, caused by human actions, and threatens the Earth with disaster __ Nakano comments: Yes friends, it's true. The warming and other strange anomalous weather many areas are experiencing is being caused by human actions. It's just not the same human actions you are being told about in the alleged news media. The cause is NOT any of the following: freon propellant from hairspray cans freon from refrigerators or air conditioners the burning of coal or oil car exhaust emissions the burning of the rain forest nor is the cause cow farts, as Ronnie Reagan told us. No, it's none of the above. The earth's climate is being intentionally modified. Some of our weather is being controlled. The jet streams are being steered and manipulated via the creation of artificial blocking high pressure systems. If this sounds unbelievable, may I suggest some authoritative sources of information for you to check this out. A good place to start is the book Angels Don't Play This HAARP by Dr. Nick Begich Look up the patents of Dr. Bernard Eastlund. (He had a website). Go to the records of the Congressional Committee hearings in which the U.S. Air Force and the Navy told the committee they wanted money appropriated to build HAARP. They clearly stated the purpose of this technology...and I quote. To control the ionosphere for military purposes. And this is exactly what they are doing. Regards to All Nakano __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists
-Caveat Lector- If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000...This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age. -- Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution and global cooling, Earth Day 1970. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Brotherhood OF Death
-Caveat Lector- Click Here: A HREF=http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=deu=http://www.loq12.de/ conspiracy/11_skullbones/prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522skull%2Band%2Bbones%2522%26h l%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DGTranslated version of http://www.loq12.de/consp /A - Book-tap: Antony C Sutton , America's Secret establishment: At Introduction ton the order OF Skull and Bones , Liberty House press However there are really Skull Bones - The Brotherhood OF Death Geraune and rumors at all corners and ends - it, the mysterioesen secret medals , which determine the fate of the world in the background acting in truth? It arrives on the fact whom one asks. While the Illuminaten and similar groupings a hidden shade existence gives to periods, (and/or gave) it some official medals: the Freimaurerloge , the temple knights or Skull Bones . The brother shank of the Skull Bones has their loge on the Unicampus of Yale. The interesting at the medal mentioned by Insidern also The Brotherhood OF Death ? Now, for example George W Bush - the next US president - is active member of the Skull Bones . And this loge is, so the historian A. Sutton, the most influential and most dangerous brother shank in the United States... - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] U.S. Military Civil Disturbance Planning The War at Home
-Caveat Lector- http://cryptome.org/garden-plot.htm A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Mind Control Technology, Techniques, and Politics
-Caveat Lector- http://www.datafilter.com/mc/rma.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Yahoo! News] Ex-Hippie Icon Cuts Throat to Avoid Return to U.S.
Title: Ex-Hippie Icon Cuts Throat to Avoid Return to U.S. Tenorlove ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has sent you a news article Personal message: Ex-Hippie Icon Cuts Throat to Avoid Return to U.S. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010712/ts/france_us_extradition_dc_7.html News Home - Yahoo! - My Yahoo! - News Alerts - Help Home TopStories Business Tech Politics World Local Entertainment Sports Op/Ed Science Health FullCoverage Top Stories - Reuters - updated 10:23 PM ET Jul 12 Add to My Yahoo! Reuters | AP | AP U.S. | TheNewYorkTimes | ABCNEWS.com | Photos | Videos Full Coverage In-depth coverage about France Related News Stories ·Einhorn Extradition Delayed One Week - AP (Jul 12, 2001) ·Extradition suspended for US hippie leader - BBC (Jul 12, 2001) ·Conservatives Defend Chirac in Probe - AP (Jul 12, 2001) ·Einhorn Loses Extradition Appeal - AP (Jul 12, 2001) ·France to extradite U.S. fugitive - CNN (Jul 12, 2001) More... Opinion & Editorials ·China's French Connection - Washington Post (Jul 10, 2001) ·MONDAY JULY 09 2001 Leading article The end of insouciance French attitudes to money scandals are changing - The Times (UK) (Jul 9, 2001) ·Driving round the bend - The Guardian (UK) (Jul 7, 2001) More... Magazine Articles ·All of France loves a picnic, especially on Bastille Day - Christian Science Monitor (Jul 11, 2001) ·Lionel's Heart - Time Magazine (Jul 9, 2001) ·René Dumont, a Green for France - The Economist (Jun 28, 2001) More... Audio ·French Reality TV Show Stirs Debate - NPR (Jun 24, 2001) ·Prosecutors Open Investigation into Algerian War Crimes - NPR (May 17, 2001) ·Left Wins Paris, Lyon in French Elections - FSN (Mar 22, 2001) More... Video ·France's Jospin Speaks In Favor Of A Federal Europe - Reuters. (May 28, 2001) ·Rescue complete - BBC (May 19, 2001) ·Swiss cavers rescued - BBC (May 19, 2001) News Sources ·Yahoo! News Search ·Agence France-Presse (AFP) ·BBC: Europe ·CNN: Europe ·Yahoo! France: Actualités Related Full Coverage ·Concorde Crash - Concorde Crash ·Kurdish Issues Yahoo! Categories ·France ·French History More... Thursday July 12 6:21 PM ET Ex-Hippie Icon Cuts Throat to Avoid Return to U.S. Ex-Hippie Icon Cuts Throat to Avoid Return to U.S. Photos Reuters Photo By Estelle ShirbonPARIS (Reuters) - American Ira Einhorn's desperate bid to avoid extradition for murder paid off against the odds when France put off returning the former hippie icon to the United States as he lay in hospital after slashing his throat.The case seemed all but over when France's Council of State, the court that has the final say on extraditions, upheld Thursday an order to send Einhorn back to Pennsylvania to face a fresh trial for the 1977 murder of his girlfriend.Einhorn apparently felt so close to losing the battle that he cut his own throat in what his wife Anikka called ``a political act'' and his lawyers said was a suicide attempt. The wound was not life-threatening.Shortly after his dramatic self-wounding, Einhorn, a bloody gash well in evidence on his throat, invited a television crew into his home in the village of Champagne-Mouton, western France, where he has lived under house arrest.But U.S. hopes that Einhorn was finally about to be handed over were dashed when the French government later accepted a request by the European Court of Human Rights to postpone the extradition at least until July 19.At the Justice Department (news - web sites) in Washington, spokeswoman Chris Watney expressed American disappointment at the delay.Meanwhile, one of Einhorn's lawyers insisted he still had a realistic chance of staying in France for good.Claire Waquet, who appealed to the European court on Einhorn's behalf, said she had told the court that U.S. assurances that her client would receive a new trial could not be relied upon.FLED UNITED STATES IN 1981The former hippie figurehead fled the United States in 1981 shortly before he was scheduled to face trial for the murder of Holly Maddux.But a Pennsylvania court in 1993 sentenced Einhorn in his absence to life imprisonment for bludgeoning Maddux to death. Years later, a French court refused to extradite him on the grounds that he had been convicted in an unfair trial.Pennsylvania then brought in a new law providing for a fresh trial if Einhorn was sent back there, but Waquet said that law was ``too fragile.''``Our fear is that if Mr. Einhorn returns to the United States, he might not be granted a new trial because a judge could refuse to apply the new law, which goes against both the U.S. and the French constitutions,'' Waquet told Reuters.She said that although France was not legally obliged to follow the decisions of the European Court of Human Rights, it was morally bound to do so.Einhorn has always denied the murder of Maddux, saying it was pinned on him because he was an anti-Vietnam War activist
[CTRL] Another Big Boom in Franklin
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=395424nav=1ugB - WKRN.COM Home Another Big Boom in Franklin Email story to a friend Another Franklin Blast Video Reporter: Christi Lowe Neighbors in Franklin felt the earth move again. Monday morning, citizens reported another mysterious boom similar to one on Saturday night that rattled homes for miles around. It shook the whole house again, and it feels like it's getting closer and closer. Neighbors in Southern Williamson County say life has been a little shaky these past few days. At least twice, powerful explosions have rocked their world making them concerned for their safety. I thought after Saturday we wouldn't have anymore. Then this morning it kinda scared everyone in the neighborhood again, said Jon Burks, a concerned neighbor. Saturday night just after 10 o'clock, a huge boom brought families out of their homes. Monday morning, neighbors it happened again. It kinda shook the house. You could hear things rattling and she woke up from her nap crying. I'm not sure what it is, said David Massey. Monday's explosion has been attributed to a rock quarry just down the road where employees say blasting is a regular part of doing business. They've been blasting here twice a week usually, and the blasts last a couple of seconds, said Vulcan Materials VP Mike Clark. The quarry was closed saturday night, so workers there say they are not to blame for the first big bang. Officials at TEMA say Saturday's tremor was definitely not an earthquake, but other than that, exactly what happened there is still a mystery. And it may be a mystery we never solve. It may go down in history as the night the earth shook, said TN Emergency Management official, Cecil Whaley, Jr. Possible theories include a sonic boom from a passing aircraft or the collapse of an underground cave, but so far, investigators have not been able to prove anything leaving neighbors shaken up. Authorities are still looking into the matter, but they may never find out what caused Saturday's big boom. As for the rock quarry, officials say they are in compliance with state regulations on blasting. Click here to voice your opinions and comments on the TalkBack 2 Message Board. Date Posted: 07.09.01 Newscast: News 2 at 5 -- Dan S A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE
-Caveat Lector- THE PROBLEM OF NATIONALITIES IN USA: STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE American student Jeremy His is facing expulsion from college. This kid was on the CBS morning show yesterday (along with his attorney); he is not in college, he's a junior in highschool, and he wore the outfit to a school dance. He has a 3.75 average and was planning on attending Harvard when he graduated . If he is expelled from school, he'll attend a private school (according to what he said on this show), but the expulsion will probably adversely affect his chances of getting into Harvard. His guilt is that one day he turned up in a school discotheque wearing wearing a traditional Scottish attire, indispensable detail of which was a knife, or sgian-dhu. They showed this item on the show, and 'traditional' or not, it looks like it can do quite a bit of damage if used as a weapon. Mr. Hix knew the rules -- he admitted to it on the show. There was no reason to wear this knife, which he showed was worn in a sheath inside his sock, in other words it was a concealed weapon. He could have foregone wearing this item and no one would have known, since it was worn CONCEALED. Either this kid was unbelievable stupid, or he deliberately wanted to provoke something...he knew about the zero-tolerance policy and deliberately chose to break it, when complying would not have adversely affected his costume in the least, since the knife could not normally be seen. Which brings up the 2nd point...choosing to deliberately flaunt the zero-tolerance policy, Mr. Hix then did not leave well enough alone, and must have taken the knife out for some reason at the dance, because it could not otherwise be seen. This kid was wearing his full regalia on this show, and was sitting facing the camera, full body in view, with his legs crossedand until he pulled the knife out from his kneesock, you couldn't see it there. So the fact that someone found out that he had this knife at the school dance shows that Mr. Hix had to have removed it from his kneesock at some point during the dance... He said he had the sgian-dhu tucked into his sock for nearly two hours before a chaperone at the prom noticed it. You couldn't see it yesterday when Mr. Hix was sitting facing the camera, with his leg crossed over the leg with the knife tucked in the sock...not even a bulge in the sock. So one has to wonder just what Mr. Hix did to garner attention from the chaperone... It is strange that such a multinational and tolerant, as it seems, country as the USA does not permit its citizens to wear their national regalia. Not when the 'national regalia' includes a dangerous weapon. I'm far from being a liberal, but I think weapons that are clearly weapons have no place at a school function... June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Stratfor: Montesinos arrest could lead to trouble for Chavez
-Caveat Lector- www.antiwar.com is routing y'all to Defense Systems Daily for Stratfor. http://defence-data.com/current/page11556.htm Michael Pugliese A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Germany: POLICE GUARD AGAINST DEVIL WORSHIPPERS
-Caveat Lector- From The Daily Record, http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/shtml/NEWS/P35S1.shtml - Friday, July 13, 2001 POLICE GUARD AGAINST DEVIL WORSHIPPERS FIFTEEN people whose names were found on a list left behind by a devil- worshipping couple who sacrificed a man in their living room are under police protection. Satanic duo Manuela and Daniel Rogacki, who have reportedly been captured by police in eastern Germany, are believed to have stabbed a man 66 times on an oak coffin in their living room in a small German town. Baker Frank Haagen, 33, was killed before an altar made of skulls and bones beneath the words When Satan Lives in the couple's flat in Bochum in the Ruhr. To advertise in the Daily Record and Sunday Mail click here -- Dan S A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Study launched into influence of thought on others
-Caveat Lector- From Ananova, http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_350106.html?menu=news.scienceanddiscove ry - Study launched into influence of thought on others An experiment is to get under way to find out if someone can influence a friend just by thinking. Volunteers will be left alone, asked to concentrate on a lit candle, and told to press a button every time their mind wanders. A friend in another room will be told to look at a similar candle and think about helping their friend look at it. Dr Caroline Watt, a research fellow at Edinburgh University, expects to find that the first person concentrates better when their friend 'helps' them. But the helper will only be allowed to assist for eight minutes of each 16 minute experiment. Dr Watt said: The prediction is that we will find person A presses the button fewer times during the periods when they are being helped by the other. Asked if Tim Henman could use the technique to win Wimbledon next year she said: It's getting a bit speculative but in theory it might be an issue. The latest study follows two earlier studies at the university which suggested that friends could influence each other while strangers could not. It is being funded by the Society For Psychical Research. Story filed: 16:17 Thursday 12th July 2001 -- Dan S A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: The FATAL Flaw
Interesting item here; wonder if Chandra Levy (Chandra mans Bow of Shiva - and her picture engraved at one sie shows she sure came with the head of some poor idiot). But wonder if Chandra Levy is Eastern Star (Jewish Eastern Star uses Star of David - one have five points, other six points). So what if some of these witches got together and gave Gary Condit the works? It would be nice if this be the case; or, the opposite - did a renegade masonic order - a friend at midnight spirit her away like Orpheus into the Underworld? May 1 - was day J Edgar Hoover died - always thought of the head of John the Baptsit when I heard of this death - like a Judith in the bible, came with the head of a man whom they used for target practice. CIA told Bud Fensterwald - the was at time Larry Flynt was gunned down and Mark Lane had attached to him - CIA told Bud that if he took the House Assassination Committee job as head Counsel, they would come with his head on a platter so he better not take it...Bud told Lane, and Lane told Flynt - and Flynt published same after Bud F. said he would deny it if Lane told. But this coming with heads on platters - and I am wondered if a few witches did not get together and give Condit the works. Would be nice if they did - now I knew this Eastern Star once - used to date Klebold's grandfather - whom I used to call the busy body, for when she saw a man out with someone other than his wife and they new the wife - well, wouldn't want tht bunch after me. They also practice a little voodoo on the side. Just a thought - Monica nailed Clinton and should be given I guess, an award - and hopefully Chandra who had been foresaken by all - maybe she and this Aunt took a little vengance on their own - $54.00 is an unusual amount of money for a birthday gift. Unless she was in dire need of money herself. The check was never cashed - and if we are dealing with a bunch of witches here - this ought to be fun. Saba http://www.saintsalive.com/freemasonry/fatal.htm
Re: [CTRL] NM: Condit Girlfriend Saw Evidence of SadomasochisticSex
-Caveat Lector- Yes - surely - kill the messenger. The witness is NOW a possible suspect. The same as a young white house intern stalking a president, and her subsequent behavior being simply a youthful indiscretion - the poor dear was confused But the woman who documented and reported the idiotic behavior was vilified, prosecuted and subjected to public ridicule - it was HER fault, if only she hadn't told anyone what she heard and knew. You people have a most interesting view of the law, and justice. MfzzglrJrwnzdBlthrskt __ YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: The Anti Defamation League: Censoring.. (by Ramzy Baroud) - Media Monitors Network
What is really behind this Anti Defamation League - profess to be so ethical and so morally straight, yet push Gay Pride into the boy scouts, prepared hate hit list of militia, christians, moslems - hey, they seem rather preoccupied with silencing any voice in opposition to their voice. Now Foxman, the head of the ADL took $250,000 from Marc Rich in bribe money - they never returned this money when caught..wonder if it is tax free and if this should not be investigted for it does constitute a bribe? Rich got the pardon. Now this ADL and UN want to take away our guns; and I say, first they want to censor any voices in protest?See how nice the UN and ADL and Gay Pride and NAACP all work together and who is their intended target? So interesting item here; what if the ADL, a Cats Paw for the Masonic Bnai Brith - and long arm thereof, what if they are just propagandists for the International Bankers for you see all the people whom they oppose one way or another, seem to have one thing in common - they all hate the IRS and the International BAnkers and they want them put out of business. Nice item here.boy these masons - hard to tell the real thing these days - Saba Wonder if Foxman is a Mason - he would have to be, right All that - well King Solomon's Mines? Wonder if that is Foxman's real name - The Anti Defamation League: Censoring the Internet on Behalf of Israel by Ramzy Baroud In a mid December conference in Jerusalem, computer experts, governmental officials, and academics gathered under the banner of , Confronting On-Line Terrorism and Anti-Semitism. Amongst the names of sponsors and co-sponsors, one organization stands as the most active by far in the field of censorship, mainly in the United States; the Anti Defamation League (ADL). What compels dozens of professionals and activists to fly long distances from all corners of the globe to meet in a disputed city only miles away from a war zone? It's the fear of losing a greater war, a war that has cost Israel an abundance, the Internet media war that is. Perhaps since the establishment of the ADL in 1913 (Saba Note - same year Federal Reserve formed??) to fight anti-Semitism and bigotry in the world, the gigantic organization with hundreds of offices in the US, Europe and Israel has never felt as outnumbered as it feels today. The Internet revolution, among its many positive aspects has given a voice to those, who unlike the ADL, are unable to rely on a $46 million budget to spread their message. The ADL, has a powerful lobby which deeply impacts US domestic as well as foreign policy, and has come under repeated attacks over the years, and was heavily cited for failing to champion what its preaches. In fact, it is accused of being a promoter of hatred and bigotry itself. In the 1970's, the group was caught distributing lists of persons deemed as enemies, according to SF Weekly in its February issue. Among those who were defamed for being pro-Arab propagandists was the highly renowned professor Noam Chomskey. In 1993, according to the same source, the ADL was caught illegally spying on nearly 10,000 people including members of socialist, labor and anti-apartheid groups. But why would an organization whose ultimate purpose is to secure justice and fair treatment to all citizens alike, and to put an end forever to injustice and unfair discrimination against, and ridicule of any sect or body of citizens carry out such suspicious tasks? The number one goal of the ADL is the protection of Israel, a former Republican congressman from San Mateo Pete McCloskey told SF Weekly in a recent interview. The organization however, who claims to fight for other issues beside its vibrant defense of Israel, has done very little in recent months to demonstrate those claims. The outbreak of the Palestinian uprising against the Israeli occupation had caused the ADL to gear up for one fight, and one fight only, supporting Israel and censoring those who criticize the Jewish state for using excessive violence, for violating international law and for committing genocide in areas which are supposed to be protected under human rights laws. The organization which often legitimizes its missions by fighting minor and highly despised groups in the US like white supremacists, has unmasked its real identify and has joined Israel's propaganda war, employing all of its resources to justify the Israeli army's ongoing genocide of unarmed civilians. The ADL's website is a perfect example of the organization's full-fledged support of Israel. While the overwhelming majority of deaths, many of whom were children, were Palestinians, the ADL seemed only concerned with the Israeli army and settlers' losses. Anti-Israel violence is a section that is updated daily. Nothing was said regarding the loss of life among Palestinians, nothing about the murder of children like Muhammad Al Durra, nothing to explain the illegal status of the Israeli settlers,
Re: [CTRL] Settlers being killed,kidnapped and robbed by Islamicmilitant groups demandingindependence.
-Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- im not sure i see the similarity of the situations other than they both involve muslims as to the other arab nations, we know they are using the palestinians as a fist, and it serves them well to keep the palestinians as refugees the funny thing of course is that jordan is as much palestine as israel, but no one cries to return to amman, or the fact that the jordanians are keeping the palestinans away from self rule as well Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam More than 100,000 Palestinians have left to Jordan since the war began 10 months ago. Jordan has shut down its border with the West Bank. Jordan IS Palestine. It also has a 60% majority of Palestinians. But it is run by the Hashemites who were given Jordan to run after WWI as a reward for helping the Brits beat the Turks in Arabia. The current rulers are afraid of a Palestinian takeover which Arafat once tried to do. Hussein killed thousands of Arafat's men and threw the whole bunch out. That became known as Black September. If the Palestinians had any brains at all, they would start an Intifada against the Heshemites. At least they would have a real chance for capturing back their homeland. But nooo. They would rather start a holy war and lose yet again. Some people never learn. J2 NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:04:57 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Settlers being killed,kidnapped and robbed by Islamic militant groups demandingindependence. -Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- what does this have to do with Jews and/or Palestinians at all? I've spent time in Kashmir, and most of the people there have never heard of a Jew or Israeli or Palestinian. Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam Similar situation. Selective choosing of ' bad guys ' . Jordan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia expelled ( ethnically cleansed ) their entire Palestinian populations and there wasn't a peep out of the Left or the Liberals. Just a little hypocracy. I didn't want to let it slip by some of the concerned citizens. Joshua2 NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:55:07 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Settlers being killed, kidnapped and robbed by Islamic militant groups demanding independence. -Caveat Lector- Hmmmnnn... No Jews = no news. Isn't this ethnic cleansing? I've heard nothing from you about this situation? Where is the Palestinian moral outrage? Where is the Liberal outrage? Or are you all just full of it? Nurev Kashmir's evicted Hindu minority seeks its own homeland By HEMA SHUKLA Associated Press NEW DELHI, India (July 11, 2001 06:39 a.m. EDT) - Pinni Suri remembers the scene exactly - even though 11 years have passed. Dawn had just broken when two teenagers knocked on the front door of her home in the Kashmir Valley, where her Hindu ancestors had lived for centuries among the majority Muslims. Two minutes later, one of the young men shot Suri's husband in the chest. The attackers disappeared into the narrow lanes of Srinagar, Kashmir's summer capital. Muslim neighbors, watching from their window, turned away as she begged for help. They shot dead my husband on Aug. 1, 1990, and I left Srinagar the same day. I haven't gone back since, said Suri. An uncle of her husband was killed weeks later. It was a time of terrible fear among Kashmiri Pandits, Hindus indigenous to the beautiful Himalayan valley. They and Hindu settlers were being killed, kidnapped and robbed by Islamic militant groups demanding independence from India or to unite with Muslim-majority Pakistan. Between October 1989 and August 1990, some 350,000 Kashmiri Pandits fled and live mostly in squalid camps in Jammu, Kashmir's winter capital. Now as India prepares for a three-day summit starting Friday between Pakistan's Gen. Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, the Pandits are raising anew their demand for a homeland, which they say must be separate because of fears they will be targeted again. They wanted to Islamize Kashmir and they wanted us out. It was ethnic cleansing, said Ramesh Manavati, spokesman for Our Own Kashmir, an organization that says it represents more than
[CTRL] Fwd: BBC News | UK | Born to raise Hell
Wonder if Gary Condit began to believe he was Born To Raise Hell. Now it has been reported he drives a Harley and he associates and has ridden with the Hells Angels, an alleged racist group. Now talk about spin - now it is alleged Condit had affair with black girl 7 years ago, who was only 18 years of age - who cares? But somehow this does not seem compatilble with his association with the Hells Angels? Here is a story about the uncrowned King of the Hells Angels - a Nordic type god in his own way.he will probably be buried in a viking ceremony when he dies.. I do not think I would want to mess around with this guy because he looks pretty rough to me. What was a little twerp like Gary Condit doing riding with the Hells Angels? Even the UN was checking out this guy..and if the UN doesn't like this Hells Fire uncrowned King, then I do. Saba Sonny Barger There is no international leader of the Hell's Angels and there never has been. real 28k Monday, 14 August, 2000, 12:00 GMT 13:00 UK Born to raise Hell He has attempted murder, hangs out with racists and claims he once threatened to shoot a Rolling Stone. Now, one of the most notorious Hell's Angels has detailed the sleazy side of his life in a new book. By BBC News Online's Chris Summers After years of drug abuse, brawling and motorbike crashes, it would be unrealistic to find Ralph Sonny Barger a picture of health. But despite his gravelly voice - the legacy of a laryngectomy which removed a cancerous growth in his throat 19 years ago - the 62-year-old former President of the Oakland, California chapter of the Hell's Angels is no cause for pity and has no plans to slow down. Barger has convictions for attempted murder, possession of narcotics with intent to sell and assault with a deadly weapon. Law-enforcement agencies in the United States believe he is the international president of the Angels and claim they are one of the leading organised crime groups in the US. The Angels have also been accused of masterminding drug dealing operations in Europe, especially Scandinavia. The club, as a whole, is not racist but we probably have enough racist members that no black guy is going to get in it Sonny Barger In the UK to promote his autobiography, Barger denies this and told BBC News Online: It's FBI propaganda. It's just like the stuff they said after Waco. He said the Angels were no more a criminal organisation than the Branch Davidians. Two years ago he moved to Arizona with his third wife, Noel, and his young daughter. Sarrah, but he still rides Harley-Davidsons and subscribes 100% to the Hell's Angels' philosophy. Barger, who used to own a Harley-Davidson called Sweet Cocaine, believes all drugs should be legalised and says: Why shouldn't they, after all they let you smoke cigarettes and they kill 400,000 people a year in the US? Three regrets But he admits to having regrets in life. If I had my life over again I wouldn't smoke, I'd take less cocaine and I'd try not to lose my right to own a gun [in the US a convicted felon automatically loses this 'birthright'], he says. Sonny Barger had an operation to remove a throat cancer Barger had a tough childhood in working-class Oakland - his mother abandoned the family when he was very young and his father was a chronic alcoholic who left him in the care of his elder sister Shirley much of the time. But he says: I only realised in the last five years, when people told me about it, how hard it was. At the time I had a great time. His main motivation for joining the Angels was to ride motorbikes and hang out with like-minded people who knew how to party. The first Hell's Angels club was formed in 1948 - the name derives from a World War II USAF bomber squadron - but Barger only joined in the late 1950s, when he helped form the Oakland chapter. He became the most prominent member in California, coined the use of the Death's Head logo, and was one of those responsible for security at the infamous Rolling Stones concert in Altamont in 1969. A black fan, Meredith Hunter, was stabbed to death by Angels as the gig descended into violence. In his book Barger claims Keith Richards threatened to walk off the stage unless the Hell's Angels cool it and he says he stuck a pistol in the guitarist's ribs and ordered him to play...or else. 'Stones to blame' Barger dodges the blame, claiming the Stones delayed their entrance unnecessarily. They agitated the crowd, had the stage built too low, and then used us to keep the whole thing boiling. They got exactly what they wanted - a dark, scary environment to play Sympathy for the Devil. Post Altamont, the Angels were widely condemned for being racist. To this day they have no black members. But Barger says: The club, as a whole, is not racist but we probably have enough racist members that no black guy is going to get in it. There are thousands of Hell's Angels members in UK He says Oakland is home to one of the largest black
