[CTRL] Bush intent on war with Iraq, say experts
-Caveat Lector- http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=18702 SAUDI ARABIA'S FIRST ENGLISH DAILY 18 September 2002 / 11 Rajab 1423 Bush intent on war with Iraq, say experts By Barbara Ferguson, Arab News Correspondent WASHINGTON, 18 September Iraqs sudden announcement Monday to allow UN weapons inspections to resume caught the world by surprise. And while many are breathing a collective sigh of relief regarding this breakthrough, Arab News spoke to two American professors about the US reaction of Iraqs announcement, both of whom reacted pessimistically. When you are dealing a regime like Saddam Husseins, a level of healthy skepticism is always necessary. I think the announcement is a very positive sign, and it will be very difficult for Iraq to renege, or obstruct a new inspection team. We should be cautiously optimistic and hopeful about this breakthrough, said Steven Zunes, an associate professor of politics at the University of San Francisco, California, Middle East editor of the Foreign Policy in Focus Project and author of the article Seven Reasons to Oppose a US Invasion of Iraq. Zunes, who has traveled to Iraq and other countries in the Arab world, believes a US invasion will be a calamity. Like most of the people in the Arab world, I would like to see Saddam Hussein overthrown, but like most people in the Arab world, I do not think that the US should be the sole party to do so. A unilateral invasion would be a serious violation of international law, and unlike 1991, it would be the US that would be seen as the aggressor, not Iraq. Zunes said he sees the US focus on Iraq as part of a bigger picture. Elements within the Bush administration want to take advantage of the fear and anger in the America public, after the terrorist attacks of last Sept. 11, to try to remake the world on American terms. And it is these people with extreme foreign policy views who have unprecedented influence in the current administration. Zunes said these hawkish advisors to the president are wishing to proclaim America as an empire. What was once dismissed a paranoid, conspiracy theory by leftists, radicals, and Third World nationals is in fact, is coming to play. He said the fear and anger and ultra-nationalism that Americans have displayed since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11 have created a political climate where these right-wing elements believe they can succeed. Zunes also criticized the Democrats for not being more organized and influential in their opposition to the administration. The Democrat party, unfortunately, has been unwilling to become a forceful opposition. And the American media, in large part, has failed to ask some important questions challenging the assumptions of these right-wing elements. But he denied a conservative right wing and pro-Israel theory. I think there are certain parallel interests between the right-wing hawks, and the pro-Israeli lobby, but I dont believe they are working hand-in-hand on this. The right-wing forces with the Bush administration, including Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, (chairman of the Defense Policy Board, an advisory panel to the Pentagon), were just as extreme about Central America during the 1980s, and just as adamant about the Soviet Union during the Cold War. So their hard line ideology is certainly not limited to the Middle East. Before 9/11, these same folks were also taking a hard-line about Communist China, said Zunes. The professor of politics said he believes the next key variable will be if the international community, and the American public, recognize the danger that this proposed invasion of Iraq will have on the future of world peace and stability, and organize themselves politically to stop it. If the US is really interested in peace and security in the region, then it needs to press for the elimination of weapons of mass destruction, and the enforcement of UN security resolutions throughout the region, and not just single out one regime we dislike, said Zunes. Robert Jensen, author of the book Writing Dissent, and co-author of the recent article Bush at the UN: Diplomacy in the Age of the American Empire, and an associate professor at the University of Texas at Austin, told Arab News that Iraqs announcement is heartening news. But he said that it is quite clear the Bush administration wants a war in Iraq. Theyve made it clear in many ways. So while Im hopeful that the Iraqi announcement can lead to a peaceful and non-violent solution to this crisis, Im painfully aware that the Bush administration wants a war. The US reaction to Iraqs announcement shows that the Bush administration is not concerned about terrorism in Iraq. And I dont even think they are much concerned about weapons of mass destruction. What they care about is a war to extend American power in the Middle East, said Jensen. Their goal is
[CTRL] WAR'S BEGUN: British jets hit vital Iraqi HQ
-Caveat Lector- http://64.69.71.161/index-side_external.php?article=26681list=/home.php; WAR'S BEGUN EXCLUSIVE: British jets hit vital Iraqi HQ By Tom Newton-Dunn, Defence Correspondent BRITISH and American warplanes have bombed Iraq's most important air intelligence headquarters. The dramatic escalation is seen as the first stage of war with Iraq. President Bush insisted yesterday that the world does not need proof that Saddam Hussein is building nuclear weapons before taking action. We must anticipate, he said. The most dangerous thing would be to find out they had a nuclear weapon after they developed one. The attack on buildings and bunkers at Tallil Airbase, 160 miles south-east of Baghdad, marked a change in tactics. RAID: An American f-16 jet on the way to Iraq Command and communications links in Saddam's air defence system, and military airfields, are now being methodically targeted instead of guns and mobile radars. US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said in Washington yesterday: I directed it. I don't like the idea of our planes being shot at. The idea that our planes go out and get shot at with impunity bothers me. Mr Rumsfeld admitted for the first time that the US and Britain have no smoking gun proof that Saddam has weapons of mass destruction. There isn't a single smoking gun, he said. If we waited for a smoking gun in this instance we would find it after the fact. Air attack site Tallil is home to Iraq's key Southern Sector Operations Centre from where all air defences south of Baghdad are co-ordinated. Bombers, including four RAF Tornado GR4s, used precision-guided weapons in the raids involving a total of 20 planes. Destroying Saddam's air defences would be crucial for any land invasion. Military expert Major Charles Heyman, editor of Jane's World Armies, said last night: There is no doubt in my mind that the first stage of war with Iraq has quietly begun. Knocking out Tallil will be of vital strategic interest to an invading force. I believe we will see a lot more raids like this one until the coalition are sure they can operate over southern Iraq safely. It was the fifth coalition air strike on Iraqi military targets this month, and the 15th since August 5. All have been made under cover of the UN mandate to enforce the northern and southern no-fly zones set up after the 1991 Gulf War. But the frequency of the attacks has shot up. Marine Corps General Peter Pace, vice chairman of the US military Joint Chiefs of Staff, said: The recent strikes have degraded the air defence capabilities of Iraq. Mr Rumsfeld said he could not say whether the change of tactics has left Iraq less capable of defending itself against attacks to topple Saddam. He added: Whether they are going to be net stronger or weaker in the event anything were to occur in the future is a function of how fast they are able to rebuild, replace and replenish that capability. Asked when he had ordered the switch of tactics, he snapped: Less than a year and more than a week. Less than six months and more than a month. Mr Bush cranked up the war talk in a speech in Iowa. The President warned that with or without the United Nations, if Iraq's regime continues to defy us and the world, the United States will move deliberately yet decisively to hold Iraq to account. Baghdad's outer air defence ring - which the Tallil base helps to co-ordinate - has seen the largest concentration of bombing raids in recent weeks. British and US bombers appear to be clearing a wide path to the Iraqi capital from Kuwait and the Persian Gulf. There have also been recent reports that US Special Forces entered northern Iraq as long ago as February to begin preparations for war. Operating freely in the semi-autonomous zone controlled by the Kurds, the troops are believed to be constructing key landing zones and airstrips to support a US-led invasion. The RAF has begun an exercise at St Mawgan, Cornwall, to practise setting up a remote air base. The drill involves warplanes and more than 1,500 personnel. An RAF spokesman said the exercise had been planned for a long time and there were no orders to have personnel prepare for further deployment. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives
[CTRL] Spy scandal has reduced America's control of mission
-Caveat Lector- http://64.69.71.161/index-side_external.php?article=26678list=/home.php; September 18, 2002 Spy scandal has reduced America's control of mission From James Bone in New York THE United States will find it hard to control the United Nations weapons inspectors in Iraq as it once did because of changes made after a US spying scandal. The last weapons inspectorate, known as Unscom, was closed down in 1999 after it emerged that Washington had used American members of its inspection teams to spy on Iraq. The new inspection agency, known as Unmovic, was deliberately designed to reduce the Americans overwhelming influence thus making it more difficult for Washington to provoke a crisis if it so desires. In the new body, Americans play a reduced role in planning inspection missions and, unlike its predecessor, it will not use US Government staff. Perhaps the most telling change was the abolition of the powerful post of deputy chairman, which was always held by an American. The highest-ranking American in the agency now has a relatively lowly job, in charge of the training division. The key post of activity evaluation is held by a Chinese official. That of liaising with foreign governments and companies is held by a Russian. Another key reform is that the inspectors no longer use US spy satellites, but employ commercial satellite companies instead. But there have been many more subtle innovations, such as giving all new inspectors cultural sensitivity training. The changes were all part of a grand diplomatic bargain struck after the withdrawal of Unscom inspectors in 1998, when it emerged that American members had planted bugs and even installed a safe in the UN office in Baghdad containing communications equipment to beam information up to satellites. The original UN ceasefire terms at the end of the 1991 Gulf War were clear: Iraq could get sanctions lifted only in return for full co-operation in eliminating its weapons of mass destruction. The 1999 resolution that established Unmovic, however, sketched the new deal in less rigid terms: The suspension but not lifting of sanctions in return for progress on key remaining disarmament tasks. Unmovic now has a roster of 220 trained inspectors from 44 countries including Steven Hatfill, the former US government researcher whose home has been searched repeatedly by the FBI in connection with the investigation into last years anthrax attacks. Mr Blix met Iraqi officials last night and was due to brief the UN Security Council on his talks with them today. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CEA's Gary Shapiro: P2P file swapping is both legal and moral
-Caveat Lector- CEA's Gary Shapiro: P2P file swapping is both legal and moral Some background: http://www.ce.org/press_room/press_release_detail.asp?id=10027 http://www.ce.org/press_room/speech.doc http://news.com.com/2100-1023-958324.html?tag=cd_mh http://www.mccullagh.org/image/d30-25/gary-shapiro.html Speech by Gary Shapiro, President and CEO of the Consumer Electronics Association. The Campaign to Have Copyright Interests Trump Technology and Consumer Rights We are at a critical juncture in history when the inevitable growth of technology is conflicting with the rising power and strength of copyright owners. How we resolve this tension between copyright and technology will define our future ability to communicate, create and share information, education and entertainment. Today I would like to share with you my views on this situation and the questions we must confront as we wind through this confusing, but historic maze. There is no doubt that this eras rapid shift to digital and other technology is changing the rules of the game. Reproduction, transmission and storage technology all are progressing exponentially, resulting in an unprecedented power to copy, send and save all forms of media. Reproduction technology has become incredibly cheap and reliable. Transmission technology, including satellite, cable, broadcast, wired or wireless, and often connecting through the Internet, has linked everyone at ever increasing speeds and competitive pricing. Storage technologies also quickly have expanded in capacity as total storage media costs have plummeted. With each new technology, the fears of the music and motion picture industries have grown. With television and the VCR, it was going to be the end of movies. With CDs and cassettes, it was the supposed harm from real-time transfers and one-at-a-time copies. Todays technologies make these perceived threats seem naïve and harmless. With high-speed connectivity and the Internet, its not buying a CD and making a copy for a friend; its downloading from a stranger or making available thousands of copies with the touch of a keystroke. The growth of reproduction, storage and transmission technology has terrified copyright owners. The RIAA claims that 3.6 billion songs are downloaded each month. The RIAA also estimates that $4.5 billion has been lost by the music industry due to pirating. And the motion picture industry also sees the writing on the wall. Fox Group CEO and News Corp. President Peter Chernin in an August 21 keynote speech at an Aspen conference claimed that Spiderman and the latest Star Wars movie were downloaded four million times following the weekend after their release. Based on these and similar threats the content community has gone on a scorched earth campaign attacking and burning several new recording and peer-to-peer technologies. They have used the Congress, media and courts to challenge the legality of technology and morality and legality of recording. In the same Aspen speech, Chernin attacked computers as untrustworthy and the Internet as primarily used for pornography and downloading. I believe that hardware and software companies have a mutual interest in working together, so that they can sell more products. For years, consumer electronics companies have been working with both the recording and motion picture industries on developing technological measures that meet the needs of both industries. For instance, the DVD standard includes anti-copying protection. It also includes an anti-fast forward technology designed to ensure copyright warnings are shown, but instead is being used to require consumers to sit through movie previews. CE companies also have provided digital interfaces that allow consumers to share content among their own devices while restricting unauthorized redistribution to the Internet. By protecting content at the source, content providers can be assured their intellectual property rights are respected, while consumers can enjoy unimpeded personal use. However, source protection should not be used to mislead consumers to purchase CDs that can only be played on certain CD players. Indeed, despite the cooperative efforts, the copyright community has declared war on technology and is using lawsuits, legislatures and clever public relations to restrict the ability to sell and use new technologies. Lawsuits have shut down file-sharing services like Napster and Aimster, and threaten peer-to-peer networks like KaZaa and Morpheus. They unsuccessfully challenged the legality of MPs recorders in the Diamond Multimedia case. They have challenged as illegal ReplayTV, a TIVO-like device, which allows television programming to be sorted and stored on a hard disc and which allows a consumer to skip commercials. In fact, one TV executive equated the skipping of commercials as stealing free broadcast television. The RIAA has announced that it will start suing individuals who engage in file sharing and
Re: [CTRL] FW: For all you Saba fans
-Caveat Lector- Get this straight, Miss Jones, I have never accused you of anything. I have your home address and phone number as well, since you once posted it to CTRL. And I will supply it to your local police if you continue to contact and harass me. Tenorlove X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via 216.136.172.27; 19 Sep 2002 03:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from 209.240.212.83 (EHLO smtpout-2001-3.public.lawson.webtv.net) (209.240.212.83) by mta600.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 03:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storefull-2216.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2216.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.213.78]) by smtpout-2001-3.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id AAF96BE3F for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 03:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2216.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id DAA19946; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 03:14:50 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUApJnxsZpqexvSS+qERVq5oZyktrwCFGGD741RtWfB2PlOu8h4h+UA08lC From: saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] | This is Spam | Add to Address Book Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:14:50 -0400 (EDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] FW: For all you Saba fans Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Length: 612 --- saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get this straight, Tenorlove - I write under one name and one name only. When you get a message from me, the above signature will be attached to same. Now please refrain from any further comments with regard to my use of other names. Kris has my home address and phone number, or did have, for I bought his book. In the past Amelia was accused of being me, and let me tell you once more. Tenorlove, the State of the Nation does not depend upon this Letter to the Editor list? Get the message? And as for this Neuropsychotic - when it comes to the IQ, you both meet at near ground zero and have never written an original word, or had an original thought, in all your dull lives. Who the hell do you think you are, you stupid old bat. O'Saba The Irish Golem O'SABA, THE IRISH GOLEM Curse not the king, no not in thy thought; and curse not the rich in thy bedchamber: for a bird of the air shall carry the voice, and that which hath wings shall tell the matter Ecclesiastes (Qoheleth), Chapter 10 __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Oh goody!
-Caveat Lector- well good old Herr Molleman this is promising Poor old Herr shroeder Ill bet he had wished he'd kept his mouth shut last week describing Herr molleman as a one of the Sensible voices in the free democratic party. Like Mr Bush he proably choked on a pretzel when he heard this! LOL LOLhttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-420133,00.htmlSeptember 19, 2002 Israel critic breaks national tabooBy Roger BoyesGERMANY'S election campaign took a nasty twist yesterday when a senior politician from the Free Democratic Party attacked the Israeli Government and a leading member of the German Jewish community. Jürgen Möllemann, deputy chairman of the Free Democrats, has already been in hot water for declaring that there should be no taboo on criticising Israel. His comments in May almost ripped apart his party, but also gave it a temporary boost in the opinion polls. Many German voters agree with Herr Möllemann. Now Herr Möllemann has returned to the fray. At an election rally in Aachen he was applauded when he said: "I will continue to describe Israel as a war-mongering state as long as Ariel Sharon, the Prime Minister, violates the Oslo peace treaty." No one, he said, would stop him, not even "the Friedmanns of this world". Michel Friedmann, a Christian Democrat who is also deputy leader of the Jewish community, is one of Herr Möllemann's most outspoken critics. For the Free Democrats, the incident is profoundly embarrassing: the party regards itself as the kingmaker in a tight election, capable of a coalition with either the Social Democrats or the Christian Democrats. Only last week Gerhard Schröder described Herr Möllemann as one of the sensible voices in the Free Democratic Party. Herr Möllemann hatched the Free Democrat plan to declare 18 per cent support as its target. A liberal group appealing mainly to small businessmen and economic reformers, it rarely scores much more than 10 per cent. Both the phrasing and the timing in the midst of a debate on whether Germany should fight Iraq have ensured that Herr Möllemann is being ostracised by the political establishment. Paul Spiegel, the head of the Central Council of German Jews, said: "Anyone who positions himself like this in the final stretch of an election campaign has disqualified himself from a democratic election." Other Free Democrats, nervous that Herr Möllemann would deny their chance of power, distanced themselves. "An unbelievable error," Burkhard Hirsch said. "Not very sensible," Guido Westerwelle, the party leader, said. Herr Möllemann chairs the German-Arab friendship society and has many contacts in the Middle East. He has visited Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader. The Mermaidxx A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OH DEAR HOW SAD
-Caveat Lector- Ole Bush Baby is not going to wait a year he has the Zionist masters up his bum.Wait for the fireworks now...this is why he is getting his knickers in a twist because he knew this all the time ooops a daisy Georgy all the best laid plans lol The Mermaid http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=334645 UN to upset Bush's war plans with one-year deadline for Iraq By David Usborne in New York 19 September 2002 Internal links UN to upset Bush's war plans with one-year deadline for Iraq The United Nations is likely to throw into disarray America's war plans for Iraq by introducing a timetable for weapons inspections that could give Saddam Hussein a breathing space of almost 12 months. The extended timetable, which would allow the inspectors first to deploy in Iraq and then to begin and complete their complicated mission, could exhaust the patience of Washington, which envisages attacking the country much earlier, probably in February. Yesterday the Bush administration asked Congress to endorse the military option before the UN makes its move. President Bush "reserves the right to act in the interests of the United States and its friends and allies", his spokesman said. Such a disavowal of the United Nations by the United States would spell both war and diplomatic disaster for the Prime Minister, Tony Blair, who helped to persuade Washington to bring the crisis back under the UN's umbrella. Britain's global influence depends largely on its permanent seat at an effective and respected UN Security Council. The organisation will be shunted into irrelevance, diplomats fear, if President Bush unilaterally goes to war. Even as envoys scurried in New York to craft a new resolution on Iraq, the Pentagon was privately briefing on plans to deploy 250,000 ground troops in the country to spearhead an assault aimed at toppling President Saddam and his regime. Nailing down a schedule for the inspections will be the primary objective of the new resolution on Iraq that Britain wants to see passed in the Security Council before 30 September. On that date, Hans Blix, the chief weapons inspector, is due to start talks with Iraqi officials in Vienna on practical arrangements for the return of his teams. Mr Blix is not expected to be able to begin serious deployment of inspectors and their staff before the end of October, a process likely to take two months. Thereafter, an existing Security Council text on Iraq UN Resolution 1284 stipulates that inspectors will need 60 more days to decide on what they need to do on the ground. The inspections proper would only begin, therefore, in early March, and last six months, until the end of August. Diplomats acknowledge that the process could be shattered at any time if President Saddam reneges on the promise made on Monday to give inspectors unfettered or unconditional access. Indeed, any snag or hiccup in the process could give Washington a pretext to go to war with Iraq. It is for that reason that Britain will try to convince doubters in the Council principally Russia and France that a resolution reinforcing 1284 with new deadlines and demands must be adopted soon. Failure to do so would leave President Saddam with greater leeway to manipulate the process and increase the likelihood of US aggression. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Sorrow and Liberties - NY Times
Title: Sorrow and Liberties - NY Times -Caveat Lector- September 19, 2002 Sorrow and Liberties By BOB HERBERT Anthony Romero's first day on the job as the new executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union was Sept. 4, 2001. He was anxious to get started as he strode into the A.C.L.U. headquarters at the lower tip of Manhattan. From his 18th-floor office he had an amazing view of New York Harbor and, appropriately, the Statue of Liberty. I had spent part of the summer looking back at the history of the A.C.L.U., he said. And one of the things I looked at were the Palmer raids, which were right after the First World War. A. Mitchell Palmer was an unsuccessful Senate candidate who was appointed attorney general by Woodrow Wilson in 1919. It was a tumultuous period, with the rise of revolutionary movements overseas and tremendous social and political upheaval in the U.S., including a series of bombings by suspected anarchists. Palmer responded to the turmoil by leading a vicious and unprecedented campaign against alleged radicals and dissidents. Government agents in dozens of cities rounded up thousands of individuals, most of them immigrants. Many were brutalized and held without charge. Hundreds of eastern Europeans were deported without benefit of due process. The Palmer raids (with a young J. Edgar Hoover as an important operative) would ultimately be discredited by history. They were illegal, unconstitutional and shameful. But at the time they had widespread support, so it took courage to speak out against them. Among those with the requisite courage was Roger Baldwin, who in 1918 had been a founder of the National Civil Liberties Bureau. In 1920, in the heat of the controversy over the Palmer raids, the bureau became the American Civil Liberties Union. Anthony Romero was immersed in that history when the awfulness of Sept. 11 occurred. And that history was on his mind when, amid the national sorrow and the fear that followed the terror attacks, President Bush and his attorney general, John Ashcroft, began elbowing the Constitution aside as they moved aggressively to expand the powers of the executive branch. Mr. Romero was in a difficult position. He understood the depth of the sorrow and the fears. But he also understood, better than most, that both the strength and the greatness of the United States were rooted in the nation's commitment to freedom and the rule of law, and its remarkably successful system of governmental checks and balances. And so the A.C.L.U. sometimes in concert with other champions of civil liberties (not all of them on the political left, by any means) has challenged a series of initiatives by the executive branch. It has filed lawsuits or otherwise objected to a variety of government policies, including the secret detention of people suspected of violating immigration laws; the use of material witness statutes as a form of preventive detention; and the refusal to allow American citizens arrested as enemy combatants to see their lawyers or challenge their detention before a civilian judge. Mr. Romero and his colleagues have won preliminary victories in a number of cases, although the rulings are still subject to appeal. It was an A.C.L.U. lawsuit that led to a U.S. Court of Appeals ruling last month that the Bush administration could not routinely conduct deportation hearings in secret. Democracies die behind closed doors, said Judge Damon Keith, who wrote the opinion for the three-judge panel. In another case in which the A.C.L.U. participated, a federal district judge in Washington ruled that the names of detainees suspected of immigration violations had to be made public. Secret arrests, wrote Judge Gladys Kessler, are a concept odious to a democratic society. Mr. Romero tries to avoid the abstract when he talks about the importance of safeguarding civil liberties: I just say that most Americans would think it's wrong to hold people without charging them with a crime, and without letting them see a lawyer, and to consider them guilty until they're proven innocent. This latest campaign to uphold the rights enshrined in the Constitution has not done the A.C.L.U. any harm. Memberships and contributions have gone way up since Sept. 11, 2001. My guess is that for most Americans the sorrow and the fear have not overwhelmed their devotion to freedom or their commitment to fairness. Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company | -- --- - Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, doctor, and I'm happy to state I finally won out over it Elwood P Dowd NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot
[CTRL] Bush Losing Face Means New Terrorist Strikes Ahead
-Caveat Lector- With Iraq agreeing to inspectors without conditions, and UN giving the inspectors 1 year to complete their mission, the Bush Government seriously lost their face. Now, what they *NEED* is another terrorist strike. I previously speculated this would be something like a nuclear terrorist attack against Germany. The reasons for this are two-fold: 1) Germany is one of the fiercest opponents of US-Iraq war. 2) To stop EU from becoming a Global superpower and out-growing US influence on the global scale. The Bush doctrines already depict how Washington sees it essential to stop EU, China and Russia from achieving superpower status and is willing to use any means necessary to stop it, including nuclear strikes. This has all been stated in now public documents by Washinton. The above accomplishes several goals: 1) Saving face for Bush co 2) Getting EU in-line with the US hard-liners 3) Eliminating a growing rival-superpower 4) Beating some of their worst critics 5) It's OK with Ariel Sharon other Zionist hawks in Israel 6) Makes EU dependant on US power Aid 7) Gives a nice global go-ahead to Bush's nuclear strikes at the planned 7 countries. So, I'm betting the next terrorist attack will be in Germany, perhaps in some US military base (to give an alibi to US itself, and eliminate it from all suspicion, and pointing strongly toward some arabs again). All this and alike operations have been planned by CIA for example for the Cuba invation before in history. Anyone care to take the bet? ;-) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Conquerors Shifting Ground
-Caveat Lector- ~~for educational purposes only~~ [Title 17 U.S.C. section 107] The Conqueror's Shifting Ground by Thomas E. Woods, Jr. Following Iraq's decision to allow an unconditional return of United Nations weapons inspectors to that country, a rational person might have acknowledged that such a humiliating capitulation represented at least the slightest indication of progress toward satisfying U.S. demands. The White House, however, immediately dismissed the offer, declaring: This is not a matter of inspections. Not one inch was conceded not that this was a welcome step forward, not that it could be the beginning of a peaceful resolution to the crisis, nothing. For reasons that Jude Wanniski and other observers have pointed out, alleged weapons of mass destruction in Iraq's possession or that country's defiance of the United Nations cannot possibly be the real reasons for the Bush administration's belligerence toward Iraq, which is why it is so amusing to read a neoconservative punditry so at pains to defend these arguments. (Is any invasion of Israel planned for having defied the United Nations for 35 years over its occupations of the West Bank and Gaza?) It is obvious enough that nothing the Iraqi government could have said would have satisfied the White House. Thus I have conjured up the following scenario: Wire service, September 21, 2002: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein today put on the table a still bolder proposal: he will allow weapons inspectors from any country anywhere in the world full access to any site in Iraq they wish to investigate, and at Iraqi expense will be permitted to comb every inch of Iraqi soil for evidence of illicit weapon construction. The White House, however, is dismissing the offer as yet another example of Iraqi stonewalling. 'This isn't about permitting inspection of every inch of Iraqi soil on demand,' a White House spokesman said. 'This is about forcing Saddam Hussein to be forthcoming about his weapons programs and to come clean before the international community.' Wire service, September 26, 2002: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein put an additional offer on the table today: he will, again at Iraqi expense, authorize the deployment of a series of surveillance satellites to be used by the United States and any country that is interested, to keep constant watch over any Iraqi installation the international community indicates. Surveillance aircraft will also be permitted free access to the skies of Iraq, so that the development of any potentially illicit weapons may be monitored and prevented. 'This isn't about forcing Saddam Hussein to be forthcoming about his weapons programs,' said National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice. 'It is about transforming an irresponsible and despotic regime into one that will obey the will of the international community and the mandate of the United Nations.' Wire service, October 7, 2002: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, faced with overwhelming American intransigence, is now offering to establish a coalition government consisting of himself and officials from neutral countries designated by the United Nations. Diplomatic historians and political scientists around the world were unanimous in declaring such a move by Hussein to be absolutely without precedent in the history of international affairs. The White House, however, remained unimpressed. 'This isn't about transforming Saddam's regime into one that will obey the United Nations,' a White House source said. 'It's about ensuring that Iraq will be absolutely unable to threaten its neighbors or even the United States with weapons of mass destruction.' Wire service, October 14, 2002: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein made today what he says is his final offer. For the next three months, he says, every Iraqi citizen will lie prostrate on the ground and will remain motionless, with the exception of three meal allowances, which will be administered by UN personnel at Iraqi expense. Otherwise the entire Iraqi population will remain absolutely still for a full three months while UN officials take any action they consider reasonable or necessary to ensure that Iraq is not a danger to her neighbors. When asked for his opinion of this most recent Iraqi proposal, Press Secretary Ari Fleischer told reporters that the President was skeptical. 'Saddam must be forthcoming and cooperative, and his persistent stonewalling and defiance are only trying the patience of the international community,' Fleischer said. 'The President has made his position very clear. The peace of the world, from New Zealand to Canada, is menaced as long as Saddam is alive.' Wire service, October 15, 2002: In a surprise move today, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein stepped up his diplomatic offensive, and said he would in fact commit suicide on live television if that was what it would take to forestall an invasion of his country. Physicians approved by the United Nations would perform all the necessary tests
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] CIA-cocaine class action lawsuit still alive -- CPR needed
-Caveat Lector- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- I recently heard from Donna Warren, who was the lead plaintiff on the Crack the CIA Coalition class action lawsuit against the CIA over the agency's complicity in the distribution of crack cocaine in the US -- based on uncontested disclosures in Gary Webb's book and CIA admissions in the two columes of the IG report. That suit, developed jointly with folks in Oakland, eventually got consolidated with a bunch of other less-well-founded wannabe suits filed in several other jurisdictions, got moved down to a distinctly unfriendly judge in FL, and seemed to be dead. It may perhaps have been either withdrawn or dismissed without prejudice because of the clear set-up against it and the lack of institutional support. Perhaps others on these lists can give a more accurate account. Anyway, Donna Warren informs me that she received a letter from CIA, as a named plaintiff on the class action suit. She says: Three months ago, the CIA sent letters out to all who filed tort claims. The letter said we have 6 months from the date of receipt to file an action. So I believe we can still resurrect the case. The clock is ticking on this. I know many people have focused in during the past year on CIA's guilty knowledge of 9-11, and its role in the current global repression under the war on terror rubric, both within and outside US borders. However, the atrocities of the crack epidemic that can be laid at CIA's doorstep remain one of its great crimes against humanities and vulnerabilities. The more recent disclosures of the agency's role in the resurrection of the heroin crop in Afghanistan only serve to make the immediacy of the issue of the agency's role in the drug trade more pressing, not less so. Does anyone on these lists have a handle on how to pursue the possibility of refiling or re-instating the class action lawsuit, as originally founded on the government's own admissions and documentation, within the approximately 2-month time frame the CIA has left us? Surely, there would be some media play available to such a case, hearkening back to the crimes and admissions of both Bush I and the the Clinton-Gore administrations, on the eve of the up- coming Congressional elections. Email me, preferably off-list and let's talk about having a meeting ASAP if you are interested. --Michael Novick (LA !Crack the CIA! Coalition still has a website, a small email list, and PO Box 34186, L.A. CA 90034). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Receive Phone Calls and Faxes While You're Online! Emerson Switchboard eliminates the need for a second phone line. Order today for a great low price! /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/agk7QA/kevEAA/MVfIAA/xYTolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust
[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] Go, Army, beat Morgan! We've got the bad guys on the run
-Caveat Lector- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- By BILL MURPHY, Chairman Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc. 10p CT Wednesday, September 18, 2002 The Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee would be most appreciative if someone in the GATA Army could let us know what was said in the interview cited below in regard to J.P. Morgan Chase and its short gold positions. * * * Hi, Bill: There is an interview on Bloomberg (institutional access level) at 12:01 p.m. today. The interview is audio so the text is unavailable, and I cannot listen to the interview but will try some other terminals tomorrow. Perhaps some of GATA's sources can transcribe or access the information. At 6:00 (minutes) the segment on Short positions in gold: views on universal banking model is the second longest of the 16 segments of the interview. See the last item of the interview. Kind regards, Greg - - - As viewed on the the menu for 18-Sep-02 Headlines for: Gold (GLD) .. 18) BN 12:01 SP Teleconf.: Ratings Action on J.P. Morgan and Units New York, Sept. 18, 2002 (Bloomberg) -- Standard and Poor's analyst Tanya Azarchs speaks on a teleconference about the agency's ratings action on J.P. Morgan Chase Co. and its units. SP lowered its senior debt rating on J.P. Morgan to A+ from AA- after the bank cut its third-quarter profit forecast. 01:03 Gerard Painter introduces the call. 03:43 Azarchs: Rationale for ratings action on J.P. Morgan, units. 01:24 Factors contributing to negative outlook for J.P. Morgan. 01:16 Steps J.P. Morgan must take to maintain rating. 01:14 J.P. Morgan's liquidity and strengths. 03:54 Questions: Non-performing loans, sanguine outlook. 03:39 J.P. Morgan's dividend payments and risk management. 02:33 Derivatives portfolio and exposure to energy industry. 05:37 Trading revenue, profitability, and competitive environment 02:22 Proprietary positions and short-term counterparty rating. 04:46 Liquidity position and criteria for maintaining rating. 05:42 Trading income, private equity, legal issues, and Enron risk. 06:45 Future downgrades, surety issue, and comparison with 1990s. 02:15 Timing of trading losses and proprietary positioning. 06:00 Short positions in gold; views on universal banking model. * * * GATA has Morgan on the run. Let's find ways to keep it that way. Show these bums as much mercy as they have accorded blacks dying in Africa partly as a result of Morgan's suppression of the price of gold. Consider this news story tonight from CBSMarketWatch.com: * * * Morgan gets slammed in cyberspace SAN FRANCISCO -- The virtual hyenas were a- cacklin' Wednesday as they feverishly tore into J.P Morgan following the finance giant's earnings warning. Bitten by credit losses and a steep decline in trading revenue, J.P. Morgan Chase said that third-quarter profits would come in well below second-quarter results. Over on Raging Bull, as some posters placed their bets in The J.P Morgan Death Pool, others, like Derbenski, painted a bleak picture looking forward: When I look at JPM's current condition I see 'designed to fail' in the model. It was not that long ago that Long-Term Capital Management nearly melted down the world financial markets with the derivative concoction, and you look at JPM -- it's LTCM's daddy in the derivative market. If the derivatives don't kill them then it will be cuts from a thousand knives from the likes of Enron and the rest of the list of bad plays. In Yahoo's brazen cyber-kingdom, GoldBugger2k drew plenty of attention as he shuffled the deck: The cards have been dealt with three showing and two hidden. When the two hidden cards are revealed we will be on our way to the greatest gold bull market
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Who rules Eurasia commands the World - Nazis and GEOPOLITICS
-Caveat Lector- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- After World War II the study of geopolitics fell into disrepute because of= its association with Nazi Germany. Another criticism leveled against geopolitics was the charge that geopolit= ical theory ascribed a single cause to the success or failure of a country a= nd that did not take into consideration human choice. This was known as det= erminism. The Nazi's interpretation of Mackinder transcribed his warning th= at He who rules East Europe.will command the World into geographic pre= destiny. http://www.list.org/~mdoyle/theory.html GEOPOLITICAL THEORY Geopolitics attempts to explain why some countries have power and other cou= ntries do not. The connection between spatial qualities of countries and in= ternational relations has been observed since the Greeks (Spencer 42). How= ever, the formal links between geography and political science began about 1= 00 years ago. In 1890 Alfred Thayer Mahan wrote The Influence of Sea Power Upon History. = Sea power was necessary to facilitate trade and peaceful commerce, therefore= Mahan believed that the country that possessed power would be one that coul= d control the seas. Thus, the development of a strong navy was an essential = ingredient to a powerful state as was the country's location. He believed th= at the country with the most power would be one whose relative location was = accessible and connected with a long coastline and good harbors. Mahan saw= power as belonging north of the Suez and Panama Canals. Sir Halford Mackinder proposed what would become the most widely discussed = concept of geopolitical studies. Mackinder was interested in political motion and he observed that the spati= al distribution of strategic opportunities in the world was unequal. Mackin= der's thesis, developed in his 1904 book Democratic Ideals and Reality, disr= egarded Mahan's theory. Advances in technology were forcing a reevaluation = of spatial concepts and military strategies. With the advent of railroads, = countries no longer depended on the navy to move large armies. Thus, Mackin= der believed that the focus of warfare would be shifted from the sea to the = hinterland (interiors). Mackinder developed a pivot area which was the no= rthern and interior parts of the Eurasian continent where the rivers flow to= the Arctic or to salt seas and lakes. He believed that with the advent of = railroads, this area would be pivotal as it would be easy to defend and hard= to conquer. Later, he called the pivot area the Heartland and devised hi= s famous Heartland Theory: He who controls the Heartland controls the World= Island (Eurasia and Africa); He who controls the World Island, controls the= world. Mackinder anticipated that Germany would be a threat to controlli= ng the resources of Eastern Europe and the Heartland. The Germans became instrumental in developing the field of Geopolitics (Geo= politk). In 1897 German natural scientist Friedrich Ratzel developed his = organic theory. This theory contend that the state is like an organism att= ached to the earth that competes with other states to thrive. Like all livi= ng organisms, the state needs lebensraum - living space. General Karl Hauschofer was a leading proponent of Mackinder's Heartland Th= eory and he developed a theory of pan regions. Hauschofer divided the world= into three pan regions which were blocs of power based on complementarily b= etween the North and South. The Northern core region was connected to a Sou= thern periphery. The three pan regions were Anglo America and its periphery= , Latin
[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] FW: For all you Saba fans
-Caveat Lector- I'm sure Kris has grounds for a libel suit. Tenorlove --- saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (saba) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:36:31 -0400 (EDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tenorlove) CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] FW: For all you Saba fans This is the last time I am telling you - keep my name off your CTRL list, [Tenorlove] - if Kris has given you this information on me please be assured it will be posted all over the web, and Kris will be held accountable. Now go back to home schooling your illiterate kids and you are NOT to write this address again. You will note, [Tenorlove] - at the end of the CTRL archives on your letters, you have your address right for those who want to respond to your garbage on this list you moderate? This is just what I didnow I am telliong you again YOU ARE NOT TO WRITE THIS ADDRESS AGAIN. Go back to your pig sty [Tenorlove] - and be assured you put my name out on your list again and it is Kris who will be held responsible. Let it be known that anybody buying a book from Kris, your name, address, and check numbers will become the property f this ignorant home schooled moronic woman, [Tenorlove]. __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] [Fwd: Bush's Secret 7 nation Nuclear Hit List draws world outrage..]
-Caveat Lector- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- Original Message From: flackotar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [tar] Bush's Secret 7 nation Nuclear Hit List draws world outrage.. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rense.com/general29/hit.htm Bush's Secret 7 Nation Nuclear Hit List Draws World Outrage By Alexandra Williams and Bob Roberts The Daily Mirror - UK 9-16-2 President Bush faced world anger last night over America's seven- nation nuclear hit list. British MPs joined the outcry after a leaked Pentagon report revealed contingency plans to use nuclear weapons against China, Russia, Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Syria and Libya. The secret policy was denounced as warmongering lunacy. Alarmed officials from Moscow to Tehran warned that the power crazy President, buoyed up by the successful campaign in Afghanistan, could plunge the world into chaos. British politicians said the strategy threatened the stability of the NATO alliance. International tension mounted as Washington pressed Britain to back an attack on Iraq - including the possible commitment of 25,000 British troops to topple Saddam Hussein. Cabinet Minister Clare Short hinted that she might resign if Tony Blair supported a mass strike against Baghdad. She said: We need to deal with the problem of Saddam Hussein - we don't need to inflict further suffering on the people of Iraq. Labour MPs Alice Mahon and Tam Dalyell will today deliver a letter to 10 Downing Street warning the Prime Minister against joining any military action. US Vice President Dick Cheney arrived in London last night for talks with Mr Blair which will cover the threat posed by Iraq. No 10 insisted last night: No decisions have been taken. Amid mounting anger, the target nations accused America of intimidation and wreaking havoc on the whole world and branded the plans a lunatic threat to world peace. In Britain, MPs said the sensational disclosures threatened the stability of the Western alliance. Labour MP Alice Mahon said: The lunatics have taken over the White House. This report must be ringing alarms throughout NATO. The Pentagon document, known as the Nuclear Posture Review, was leaked as the US lobbied Britain to join an invasion of Iraq. International Development Secretary and Cabinet Minister Clare Short hinted she might resign if a strike went ahead. The review says the US must be ready to use nuclear weapons against China, Russia, Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Syria and Libya. It then identified four areas where the US should be prepared to press the button: In an Arab-Israeli conflict, in a war between China and Taiwan, in an attack by North Korea on South Korea and in an attack by Iraq on Israel or another neighbor. Additionally, the weapons could be used against targets able to withstand conventional attack and in retaliation for the use of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons. They could also be used in the event of surprising military developments, reflecting fears that rogue states or terrorists could deploy weapons against the US. The review, leaked to the Los Angeles Times, orders the military to plan for the use of smaller nuclear weapons as a more effective deterrent against terrorist attacks. It also calls for cruise missiles to carry nuclear weapons. It is the first time the US has reviewed its nuclear strategy since 1994 and the first list of target nations to be made public. Last night it was seen as a warning to those states who might be harboring terrorists. In Russia, defense hawk General Leonid Ivashov said: The heart of US political doctrine is to push powerful Russia
[CTRL] Fwd: Bad Times, Good Money
-Caveat Lector- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- - REMINDER - On the days that I don't publish, like today, you receive Bill Bonner's DAILY RECKONING. This will help you to keep pace with the changes in the markets. Bonner and I agree on most things in the field of economics, so the two letters reinforce each other. --- Bad Times, Good Money The Daily Reckoning Paris, France Wednesday, 18 September 2002 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *** Net worth declining...Debt increasing... Doesn't borrowing make you richer? *** Fannie and Freddie may have cracked...delinquencies at 20-year high... *** Morgan takes a hit...offshore accounts...Saddam's reply...overpriced houses...and more! * * * * * * * * Advertisement * * * * * * * * -- Been to the Daily Reckoning Marketplace Yet? -- If not, you ought to see what you've been missing. Want to read more from our regular contributors? This is the place to find it. We've collected some of the best financial advice and commentary available anywhere and presented it to you all in one place. Take a look: http://www.dailyreckoning.com/marketplace.cfm * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Stocks sink Americans' net worth, says a USA TODAY headline. Figures from the 2nd quarter show household net worth down by 3.4%. The other headline that caught our eye was this one from Chicago: Fed says debt climbing at fastest rate in a decade. From the article we learn that non-financial debt has been increasing at a 7.8% annual rate. Behind the scenes, the Fed is working feverishly to keep the music from stopping, writes Randall Forsyth in Barron's. Greenspan Co. have their monetary pedal to the metal again. It used to be axiomatic that borrowing boosted the economy. It increased sales and business investment. For each additional $1.40 borrowed, according to Dr. Richebacher, you got about $1 of GDP growth. But lately something has gone wrong. In the period 1997-2001, it took $2.60 of extra debt to produce another dollar of GDP. And more recently, the figure has been more like $4.80. Why so little growth for so much debt? There has been a major change in the use of credit in the United States, writes Richebacher. Can you guess what that change is, dear reader? Instead of borrowing for investment and growth, people are now borrowing just to keep up appearances. Take out a bigger mortgage and buy a big screen TV that came all the way from China... or one of those SUVs that they make in Detroit. People have been encouraged to consume...but not to produce. Without the increase in auto sales the economy would be in recession. But is Detroit booming? What automaker is going to hire people or build another assembly line when he can only sell his cars by offering zero percent financing and cutting his price margins? And what about refinancing your mortgage? Why not? Mortgage rates - after tax - are lower than the annual growth in house prices. You get cash to spend...but how is anyone richer as a result? You owe more money, but do you have any better way to pay it back? According to an undersecretary of the Treasury, the increase in debt is no problem, because debt levels as a percentage of net worth are not as high as they used to be. But if your house doubles in price, are the mortgage payments easier to make? It is earnings, salaries, and dividend yields that really count. You can't live off paper profits. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac may have finally cracked yesterday; their stocks fell 4.73% and 3.26% respectively after it was revealed that Fannie's 'duration gap' slipped to negative 14 months. From the press reports, we could
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- Montreal protesters force cancellation of Netanyahu campus speech The scene as we exited was disgusting. Benches were overturned, papers and garbage streaked across the hallways, and broken windows. We were shoved outside directly into a HUGE Palestinian riot, where some of our people were apparently attacked. The cops did nothing. We stood on one side of the barrier, while they stood on the other, and we faced off. No surprise here. These same Netanyahu Groupies would be the first to scream, riot, and demonstrate if some old broken down German Nazi tried to speak. It is sad these whiners cannot see the irony in their complaints. The anti Netanyahu protestors were reacting to a racist murderous thug who calls for murder, genocide, and ethnic cleansing. A Nazi in all but name only. This Israeli Nazi is applauded by the decendants of those killed by the original Nazis. The best revenge of the rotting old Nazis is to see the children of their victims become their oppressors. These same Fascist loving hypocrites applauded when Yitshak Rabin's 'freedom of speech' was permanently eliminated. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Three-minute discrepancy in tape
-Caveat Lector- http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/4084323.htm Posted on Mon, Sep. 16, 2002 Three-minute discrepancy in tape Cockpit voice recording ends before Flight 93's official time of impact By WILLIAM BUNCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE FINAL three minutes of hijacked United Flight 93 are still a mystery more than a year after it crashed in western Pennsylvania - even to grieving relatives who sought comfort in listening to its cockpit tapes in April. A Daily News investigation has found a roughly three-minute gap between the time the tape goes silent - according to government-prepared transcripts - and the time that top scientists have pinpointed for the crash. Several leading seismologists agree that Flight 93 crashed last Sept. 11 at 10:06:05 a.m., give or take a couple of seconds. Family members allowed to hear the cockpit voice recorder in Princeton, N.J., last spring were told it stopped just after 10:03. The FBI and other agencies refused repeated requests to explain the discrepancy. The cockpit voice recorder a roughly 30-minute tape loop, is supposed to record the sounds inside the cockpit right up until the moment of impact and usually does. Aviation experts said there could be several explanations for the gap. They said it could mean that the FBI and other government agencies either failed to properly synchronize the times, or there were other problems in the retrieving or handling of the tape from the so-called black box recovered from the wreckage at Shanksville, Pa. Or, experts speculated, it could mean there was a major on-board electrical failure on the plane three minutes before Flight 93 crashed, causing the recorder to quit working. What's not told The broader significance is that the three-minute gap points to how little is really known about how and why Flight 93 crashed - even as the saga of the doomed jetliner and cell-phone calls from some of the 40 passengers and crew continue to captivate the nation. That's part of the whole war aspect - we don't want to tell about what we did and didn't do, said Vernon Grose, a former National Transportation Safety Board member who says he still has questions about the Flight 93 crash. He said he doubts there will ever be a nice, open public hearing with eyewitnesses telling what they saw. However, in recent weeks, two books about Flight 93 have topped the best-seller lists, while President Bush and other top government officials continue to invoke the story - based largely on the cell-phone calls - of fighting between the passengers and the hijackers as a Let's roll rallying cry to continue the war against global terrorism. But the FBI has clamped a tight lid of secrecy on the flight data recorder - which could best show how Flight 93 actually crashed - and on the cockpit voice recorder. We have no comment at all on the tape issue, said Sam Dibbley, spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's office in northern Virginia that presented the tape to families. An FBI spokesman, Steven Berry, said the bureau continues to officially list the time of the Flight 93 crash as 10:03 a.m. The NTSB referred all questions to the FBI. But the relatives of Flight 93 passengers who heard the cockpit tape April 18 at a Princeton hotel said government officials laid out a timetable for the crash in a briefing and in a transcript that accompanied the recording. Relatives later reported they heard sounds of an on-board struggle beginning at 9:58 a.m., but there was a final rushing sound at 10:03, and the tape fell silent. What can be heard There is no sound of the impact, said Kenneth Nacke, whose brother, Lou Nacke Jr., is one of the passengers believed to have fought with the hijackers. Nacke confirmed that the government said the tape ended at 10:03 a.m. He added: The quality of the sound is really poor. Vaughn Hoglan, the uncle of passenger Mark Bingham, said by phone from California that near the end there are shouts of pull up, pull up, but the end of the tape is inferred - there's no impact. New York Times reporter Jere Longman, who spoke with relatives of all but one of the 40 Flight 93 victims, writes in the epilogue to bestseller Among the Heroes that at about three minutes after ten, the tape went silent. Lisa Beamer, the wife of passenger Todd Beamer, who heard the tape while working on her No. 1 best-seller Let's Roll, also gives 10:03 as the end of the flight. Seismologists - experts in the earth's vibrations - have almost exactly pinpointed the time of the crash of Flight 93 at 10:06:05. The seismic signals are consistent with impact at 10:06:05, plus or minus two seconds, said Terry Wallace, who heads the Southern Arizona Seismic Observatory and is considered the leading expert on the seismology of man-made events. I don't know where the 10:03 time comes from. Likewise, a written study commissioned by the Department of Defense - carried out by seismologists from Columbia University and the Maryland Geological Survey - also
[CTRL] A Little Reminder
-Caveat Lector- Not everything you see and hear is strictly Kosher Could Hamas be connctd to Sharon.The Mermaid xx After this article there is a little snippet from What really Happened.com just click on it. Unholy Alliance -- Sharon, Hamas Work in Concert Against Peace By Rabbi Michael Lerner, Pacific News Service, Dec 14, 2001 Though enemies, Israel Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and the Palestinian militant group Hamas are working in a tacit alliance, writes PNS contributor Michael Lerner. Their shared goal: the elimination of Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian Authority. Lerner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is editor of TIKKUN Magazine, a bimonthly Jewish critique of politics, culture and society, and rabbi of Beyt Tikkun synagogue in San Francisco. The strategies of Ariel Sharon and Hamas are far less irrational than portrayed by American media. Each has been cooperating in what amounts to a tacit alliance to achieve a shared goal: the elimination of Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian Authority and its replacement by Hamas. Israel's announcement that it will not deal with the PLO any more is only one part of this process. Ariel Sharon has never hidden his contempt for the Oslo Accord, precisely because it aimed to create a Palestinian state in the pre-1967 borders of the West Bank and Gaza. When campaigning, he presented himself as the strong military man who could play the role of peacemaker. But he always reassured his own right-wing constituents that he had no intention of ceding any land to Palestinians. Sharon was the inventor of the strategy of filling the West Bank with settlements in the 1980s to prevent any possibility of Palestinians creating their own state. His fondest dream would be to find the political excuses that could allow Israel to reoccupy the entire West Bank and establish another hundred settlements. Arafat represented a thorn in his side, because Arafat kept insisting on returning to negotiations and on building the Palestinian state promised in the treaty Israel had signed in the White House garden in 1993. Moreover, the United States has made it clear that it wants Arafat in power and negotiations in place so that Arab leaders can say to their own populations: "See, our cooperation with the United States against Osama bin Laden has produced a return to the peace process." But continued conflict in the region allows Arab elites to displace resentment against the injustices of their own undemocratic societies onto anger at Israel. So they seek a balance: continued negotiations and an endless peace process, but not the creation of a viable Palestinian state. When the United States became preoccupied with the war against terror, Sharon felt free to increase the violence and repression of the Occupation and to accelerate the assassinations of those "suspected" of being directly or indirectly connected to acts of terror. Those assassinations, primarily directed against Hamas leaders, ensured that Hamas would strike back in retaliatory blows against civilian targets within Israel. Instead of striking back against Hamas, Israel instead has used Hamas attacks as justification to destroy the infrastructure of the Palestinian Authority and to debate what would be the best moment to kill Arafat. With Arafat dead and the Palestinian Authority in shambles, Hamas would become the prevailing force in the Palestinian world -- and the image of the Palestinians would then be more like that of the Taliban. Sharon would be able to portray Israel as fighting the same fight as the United States -- a battle against terrorists -- a move he has tried with less success against Arafat. With Hamas in charge of the Palestinian camp, Sharon could rally much broader support, because even those of us who support Palestinian rights would be forced to admit that a Hamas-dominated Palestine would be a real threat not only to Israel, but also to world peace. Hamas has much to gain as well. Convinced that the peace process is betraying Islamic claims to Palestine, Hamas is willing to wait another 30 or 40 years until Israel tires of endless war and terror -- if, that is, it can be assured that when Israel tires, fundamentalists will come to power. Hamas despises the secular forces around Arafat, and worries that if the Palestinian Authority is not destroyed it could become the government of a secular Palestinian state. Hamas is openly contemptuous of the many Christian Palestinians who influence the Palestinian Authority. So it is
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- It's a good idea to read carefully about the real world and not just try to tie things into one's preconceived notions. The violent rioters were the pro-Palestinian mob, who were brought in and may not have all been part of the university community. A search on the web indicated that there have been other pro and anti speaker situations that were calm. This was a one-sided riot that did not receive media attention. Mainstream media no longer does research on who started what and who funds what. Either it wasn't politically correct to report this or, as I have seen, while Jews and Israel get over proportional representation in the media, the reporting is biased against them. The alternative or independent media reported the situation as strictly pro-Palestinian and did not give details. The reporting in some Jewish media was closer to what the student reported. So, we get three different responses. The huge majority of Americans have no idea what happened there. The independent liberal media readers think that a non- violent, peaceful protest stopped the speaker and Jews who read the Jewish media get a picture of what they are up against here as well as in Israel. Your if comment is strictly speculation based on what you believe would happen. Your name calling is very much like the primitive response of the pro-Palestinian mob at Concordia. And yes, civilized people do back off when confronted with people who seem primitive and out of control, individually at least for a while. -Caveat Lector- Montreal protesters force cancellation of Netanyahu campus speech The scene as we exited was disgusting. Benches were overturned, papers and garbage streaked across the hallways, and broken windows. We were shoved outside directly into a HUGE Palestinian riot, where some of our people were apparently attacked. The cops did nothing. We stood on one side of the barrier, while they stood on the other, and we faced off. No surprise here. These same Netanyahu Groupies would be the first to scream, riot, and demonstrate if some old broken down German Nazi tried to speak. It is sad these whiners cannot see the irony in their complaints. The anti Netanyahu protestors were reacting to a racist murderous thug who calls for murder, genocide, and ethnic cleansing. A Nazi in all but name only. This Israeli Nazi is applauded by the decendants of those killed by the original Nazis. The best revenge of the rotting old Nazis is to see the children of their victims become their oppressors. These same Fascist loving hypocrites applauded when Yitshak Rabin's 'freedom of speech' was permanently eliminated. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A
[CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Larouche says: Expect Israel to Attack Iraq (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:47:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Larouche says: Expect Israel to Attack Iraq On 19 Sep 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Israel ... is prepared to attack Iraq, possibly with its own nuclear weapons, if there is no U.S. attack. Lyndon Larouche was right! -Homer Simpson Let's not forget that Saddam Hussein said Israel is a made-in-America project. In other words, it is BOGUS, a FRAUD against the global community. And he can prove it. So maybe you are right, this one time, Junior. You like political history, so why not put on your thinking cap and examine the history of Israel (nation of Jacob) vs. Edom (nation of Esau). Of course Jacob and Esau were brothers. Now can you find any expert with the proof that modern Jews are more descended from Jacob than Esau? Look up Kohath, Kohathites, Korahites in the Tyndale Bible Dictionary as well as Edom. John Hyrcanus compelled them (the Edomites) to be circumcised and incorporated into the Jewish people. (p. 299). Can anyone then prove that people today with names like Cohen and Cohn are not descended from Ancient Edomite ancestors more than Israelite? Even before Hyrcanus both nations had similar names in the Kohath-Kohathite-Korahite grouping. Not surprising...they were cousins. What does this and much other evidence do to Israel's Law of Return which is one of its constitutional documents? FWP Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/wpWolB/TM -~- * What would a Model City plus surroundings for Good Doers of the Axis of Good be like, vs. a contrasting city for Evil Doers in the Axis of Evil? * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [911-Discussion] Preparing us for war: advice from Hermann Goering
-Caveat Lector- Interesting quote but what's the source? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- Sorry Charlie The violence was at the anti- Netanyahu protest. The protest against the Palestinian speaker was peaceful, and he was allowed to speak. Netanyahu , who is a dangerous rabid rightwing asshole, was not allowed to speak. If you don't let the Nazi's march in Skokie, you are a Nazi. on 9/19/02 2:05 PM, flw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Montreal protesters force cancellation of Netanyahu campus speech The scene as we exited was disgusting. Benches were overturned, papers and garbage streaked across the hallways, and broken windows. We were shoved outside directly into a HUGE Palestinian riot, where some of our people were apparently attacked. The cops did nothing. We stood on one side of the barrier, while they stood on the other, and we faced off. No surprise here. These same Netanyahu Groupies would be the first to scream, riot, and demonstrate if some old broken down German Nazi tried to speak. It is sad these whiners cannot see the irony in their complaints. The anti Netanyahu protestors were reacting to a racist murderous thug who calls for murder, genocide, and ethnic cleansing. A Nazi in all but name only. This Israeli Nazi is applauded by the decendants of those killed by the original Nazis. The best revenge of the rotting old Nazis is to see the children of their victims become their oppressors. These same Fascist loving hypocrites applauded when Yitshak Rabin's 'freedom of speech' was permanently eliminated. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - He who does not prefer exile to slavery is not free by any measure of freedom, truth and duty. Kahil Gibran, Spirits Rebellious NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Saudis Pay out money
Title: Re: [CTRL] Saudis Pay out money -Caveat Lector- on 9/19/02 3:43 PM, Mermaid at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Half of me says oh good someone is helping these people and half of me says it is not a good idea to give money to the families of the suicide bombers because it is almost saying its okay to give your sons to the cause we will reimburse you for your loss with money. The Mermaid x It is not ALMOST saying it ok. It is explicitly saying it is ok to murder innocent, it is PAYING people to murder innocents. But I guess as long as its just Jews its not like its wrong right? Can you explain the half of you that thinks its Ok to pay people for murder? -- Doubt. Doubt thyself. Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself. Doubt all. Doubt even if thou doubtest all. It seems sometimes as if beneath all conscious doubt there lay some deepest certainty. O kill it! Slay the snake! The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exalted Dive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind, until thou unearth the fox THAT. On, hounds! Yoicks! Tally-ho! Bring THAT to bay! Then, wind the Mort! Uncle Al. the kiddies pal NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Politics Returns in Forest Fire Debate
-Caveat Lector- This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Politics Returns in Forest Fire Debate September 19, 2002 By TIMOTHY EGAN COEUR D'ALENE, Idaho, Sept. 16 - Even on a day when a late-summer rain coats the arthritic woods, it is clear that Idaho Panhandle National Forest is sick. Beetles have sucked life from thousands of acres. Floods have torn out mountainsides and stirred up old mining pollution. A century of fire suppression and logging has radically altered the forest fabric. To save this forest, one of the nation's largest at 2.5 million acres, forestry officials have concluded that they have to burn or log sections of it, tear out some roads and then hope that nature takes over the healing. The Bush administration and Western Republicans like that idea, especially the logging part. But the administration is pushing to go further: to suspend environmental laws and citizen appeals so logging in dangerously fire-prone forests like this one can be done without disruption. The White House has asked Congress to exempt about 10 million acres of federal forest land from environmental reviews to speed treatment of overgrown forests. But as the Bush plan moves through the Senate this week in the form of a rider promoted by Senator Larry E. Craig, Republican of Idaho, the resistance among environmentalists and some politicians has grown fierce. A tentative peace that fell over public forests this summer, during one of the most disastrous wildfire years in history, has disappeared, replaced by a political battle that threatens forest management. While the summer blazes made the management of ailing forests more urgent than ever, environmentalists say the president is using fire treatment as a way to let the timber industry log without laws. Gov. John Kitzhaber of Oregon, a Democrat, accuses the administration of betraying an agreement among Western governors to treat fire-prone forests without suspending the law or taking away judicial appeals. President Bush signed on to the governors' 10-year plan last May, but then took it a step further in an initiative unveiled three weeks ago. Opposition to the Bush plan promises to be particularly intense here in the Idaho Panhandle, which has at least one legendary trout stream and a tradition rich in silver mining and logging. Several retail-level environmental groups have persistently thwarted plans here to treat forests by cutting down trees. All 16 proposals to log or thin the Panhandle's woods in the last two years were stalled by appeals from these groups, forest officials said. Still, the plans are moving ahead, usually in a modified form to answer the concerns of critics. One logging plan would cut 1,400 acres in an area that holds water for thousands of people in Idaho and Eastern Washington. It has been appealed by the Lands Council, based in Spokane, Wash. The group also appealed another plan, which called for quick removal of beetle-infested trees. There are a lot of dead and dying trees out there that need treatment, said Dave O'Brien, the spokesman for the managers of the Panhandle national forest. But the law gets very difficult to comply with. We end up spending so much time just trying to make these forest decisions bulletproof. The biggest hindrance to healthy forests, Bush officials say, are laws that force managers of public land to spend too much time responding to citizen objections. The documents these laws produce are more akin to bedtime reading for insomniacs as an alternative to `War and Peace,' said Mark Rey, who guides forest policy for the administration. I had hoped we would get a judicious thinning of the administration's proposal instead of a firestorm, Mr. Rey said, using the metaphor of a season in which more than six million acres of forests have burned, well beyond the annual average. But what the Bush administration characterizes as gridlock and analysis paralysis is seen by others as the messy but necessary products of making land decisions in a democracy. The president's plan, they say, would take the public out of public forest management. This plan is about as extreme, wrongheaded and overreaching as it could possibly be, said Michael Francis of the Wilderness Society. The wilderness group is not opposed to thinning forests for fire prevention near urban areas, but does object to large-scale logging in the name of forest health. Neil Beaver, a hydrologist with the Lands Council, said his group opposed the biggest of the logging projects here because of a fear that it would lead to worse flooding and stir mining sediments in the heavily polluted Coeur d'Alene valley. Other environmental leaders fault the administration for breaking with the Western governors' 10-year plan, just months after praising it as a breakthrough for consensus. I was shocked when the president's first initiative on forest health was to try to take the public out of the process, said Greg
Re: [CTRL] Saudis Pay out money
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- on 9/19/02 3:43 PM, Mermaid at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Half of me says oh good someone is helping these people and half of me says it is not a good idea to give money to the families of the suicide bombers because it is almost saying its okay to give your sons to the cause we will reimburse you for your loss with money. The Mermaid x It is not ALMOST saying it ok. It is explicitly saying it is ok to murder innocent, it is PAYING people to murder innocents. But I guess as long as it¹s just Jews it¹s not like it¹s wrong right? Can you explain the half of you that thinks it¹s Ok to pay people for murder? Don't forget that Israel bulldozes their relative's homes and extradites them out to some third-world countries, penniless. If your brother or cousing killed someone, would you think it just that your house and all your belongings are destroyed and you're banished forever to live abroad? It is also illegal by international law and a crime against humanity. But do the Hitler's mental kindred care? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Saudis Pay out money
-Caveat Lector- Communities live and die by the morality they encourage amongst themselves and toward others. Palestinian terrorists have a very large support system in their families, in the community and beyond. If this support system feels the ends justify the means, then they know they will suffer from the breaking the moral laws of their own religious beliefs. Those who do not speak out loudly against the evil in their midst, Jews or Palestinians, cannot count on their opponents behaving morally and stopping retribution. Are there easy answers? No. -Caveat Lector- On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- on 9/19/02 3:43 PM, Mermaid at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Half of me says oh good someone is helping these people and half of me says it is not a good idea to give money to the families of the suicide bombers because it is almost saying its okay to give your sons to the cause we will reimburse you for your loss with money. The Mermaid x It is not ALMOST saying it ok. It is explicitly saying it is ok to murder innocent, it is PAYING people to murder innocents. But I guess as long as it¹s just Jews it¹s not like it¹s wrong right? Can you explain the half of you that thinks it¹s Ok to pay people for murder? Don't forget that Israel bulldozes their relative's homes and extradites them out to some third-world countries, penniless. If your brother or cousing killed someone, would you think it just that your house and all your belongings are destroyed and you're banished forever to live abroad? It is also illegal by international law and a crime against humanity. But do the Hitler's mental kindred care? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Saudis Pay out money
Title: Re: [CTRL] Saudis Pay out money -Caveat Lector- I was talking about the universities ...dummy the help the students are getting for their educationThat of course if the Israelis dont go and reduce them into a pile of rubble like they have everything else...I mean god forbid that palestinians should be educated. And the fact that the poor sods who the Israelis have put out of work are getting some money to support their families. I do not condone anyone for killing either Jew or gentile what we need to do is bang these shmuckos heads together and tell them to STOP killing each other.I want PEACE I assume you want PEACE.This is all about GREED and Stealing land that doesnt belong really to anybody in particular. Forget that they are Israelis or Palestinians they are HUMANBEINGS at the end of the day...who gives a shit about the land.It is all so ruddy petty and infantile.The ones who are not Human are the perpetrators of this pathetic war,And you and I know very well who they are. Not that you would admit it becaue youve got your head so far up your bum youre as blind as they are! The Mermaid xxx - Original Message - From: thew To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Saudis Pay out money -Caveat Lector- on 9/19/02 3:43 PM, Mermaid at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Half of me says oh good someone is helping these people and half of me says it is not a good idea to give money to the families of the suicide bombers because it is almost saying its okay to give your sons to the cause we will reimburse you for your loss with money.The Mermaid x It is not ALMOST saying it ok. It is explicitly saying it is ok to murder innocent, it is PAYING people to murder innocents. But I guess as long as its just Jews its not like its wrong right?Can you explain the half of you that thinks its Ok to pay people for murder?-- Doubt. Doubt thyself.Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself.Doubt all.Doubt even if thou doubtest all.It seems sometimes as if beneath all conscious doubtthere lay some deepest certainty. O kill it! Slay thesnake!The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exaltedDive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind,until thou unearth the fox THAT. On, hounds!Yoicks! Tally-ho! Bring THAT to bay!Then, wind the Mort!Uncle Al. the kiddies palNEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send
[CTRL] Abusive Priest Flees, 9/11 attacks, How George W. Bush made his millions
-Caveat Lector- Abusive Priest Flees Island - Facing Immigration Charges, Brett Hurriedly Quits St. Maarten 9/19/02 By Eric Rich "Abusive priest Laurence F.X. Brett has left the Caribbean island where he lived secretively for nearly a decade, fleeing just days before local police descended on his lagoon-side villa. The authorities on St. Maarten, reacting to a report in The Courant, had planned to detain the disgraced priest on immigration violations while they determined whether U.S. prosecutors intended to extradite him on charges of sexually abusing children, a local official said." http://www.ctnow.com/news/local/hc-brett0919.artsep19(0,1387795).story?coll=hc%2Dheadlines%2Dhome from AOL 9/18/02 By KEN GUGGENHEIM .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (Sept. 18) - Intelligence agencies failed to anticipate terrorists flying planes into buildings despite a dozen clues in the years before the Sept. 11 attacks that Osama bin Laden or others might use aircraft as bombs, a congressional investigator told lawmakers Wednesday as they began public hearings into the attacks. Just a month before the attacks, intelligence agencies were told of a possible bin Laden plot to hit the U.S. Embassy in Kenya or crash a plane into it. The preliminary report by Eleanor Hill, staff director of the joint House and Senate intelligence committee investigation of the terrorist strike, showed authorities had many more warnings about possible attacks than were previously disclosed. The reports were generally vague and uncorroborated. None specifically predicted the Sept. 11 attacks. But collectively the reports ''reiterated a consistent and critically important theme: Osama bin Laden's intent to launch terrorist attacks inside the United States,'' Hill said. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/aug2002/bush-a01.shtml How George W. Bush made his millions By Joseph Kay 1 August 2002 Much has been written over the past month about President George W. Bush's actions while at Harken Energy. This is, indeed, a significant history: in the early 1990s Bush made hundreds of thousands of dollars in a deal that reeks of the same insider trading and accounting fraud the president now claims to oppose. (See "On eve of Wall Street speech: Bush's past business dealings come back to haunt him," 9 July, 2002). However, the media has paid far less attention to what Bush did with the $850,000 he made through the sale of Harken stock options and the manner in which he transformed that windfall into the $15 million that now constitutes the larger part of his personal fortune. If anything, this story is even more revealing. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] What is a Real American?
-Caveat Lector- What is a Real American? By: John William Kurowski What is a real American? I am a real American, and am proud to say what I stand for: I believe in the protection of others lives, liberty and property rights; That my federal government has been established by a constitution to protect the lives, liberty and property rights of its citizens from foreign and domestic assault; That those elected to public office under our federal Constitution are vested with enumerated powers to fulfill their duty to protect the lives, liberty and property rights of its citizens from foreign and domestic assault; That powers granted by the federal constitution contain no allowance for the force of government to be used for the advantage of some while neglecting others, nor used to make distinctions based upon arbitrarily chosen criteria; That the federal constitution has been agreed upon by the people, through their ratification, and then sworn to be upheld by those who hold public office; That it has become quite fashionable these days for those who hold public office to ignore their oath to abide by the rules enumerated in the federal Constitution, and they use the force of government taxation for the advantage of some while neglecting others, by making distinctions not recognized by the Constitution; That income taxation is the worm at the root of the tree by which tyrants in government take the property of one and transfer it to another; That because of income taxation, tyrants in government, and unconstitutional distinctions made by tyrants in government, a privileged domestic class has emerged in America which now criminally feeds from America's federal treasury; That foreign nations have likewise emerged as a privileged class by the unconstitutional anointment of folks in government and also criminally feeds from America's federal treasury; That those elected to public office having been vested with powers enumerated in a written constitution to fulfill a duty to protect the lives, liberty and property rights of its citizens from foreign and domestic assault, have yielded to subversive domestic and foreign influences which seek, and do, criminally feed from America's federal treasury, in spite of the prohibitions contained in a written constitution and folks in government having sworn to protect the lives, liberty and property rights of their citizens; THEREFORE: The coming election for real Americans will not be about conservative vs. liberal, nor Republican vs. Democrat, it will be a time for patriotic Americans to work to identify those in Congress who are in rebellion against our Constitution and work to remove these scoundrels from office; a time to expose those who give financial or other support to these tyrants, and then excoriate them for the accomplices they are; a time to begin the process of taking back our nation, and recognizing those who are likewise real Americans___ a fundamental common goal among real Americans being, to support and defend the intent of the Constitution of the United States, not as pretended by the Supreme Court of the United States or the Brotherhood of lawyers who have conned most Americans into believing it may mean whatever folks in government may want it to mean, but supporting what it meant as contemplated by those who framed and ratified the document, and is to be found in the historical record fro m their own lips and hand, when our nations' leaders were statesmen and not tyrants with pens. On every question of construction [of the Constitution], let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed. --Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322. http://www.patriotist.com/guest4.htm -end article- -- -iNFoWaRZ It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. -Thomas Paine The price of Liberty is high But more affordable than Bondage. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives
[CTRL] Mentality of a Gun Controller
-Caveat Lector- Mentality of a Gun Controller by Ted Lang The end always justifies the means, any means, including lying, fraud, suppressing the facts and truth, misrepresentation, smoke and mirrors, anything to arrive at the justified objective for the betterment of all Mankind. In the course of human events it has been demonstrated that freedom of thought is best protected by freedom of speech, and that freedom is best protected by the People's right to own and carry firearms. For this permits their banding together as militias, holistically comprising a united army of freemen, and this will best ensure the continuation of a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. For talk is cheap! And worse than being inexpensive, it can be worse than useless if it serves merely to identify dissent as opposed to an inducement for action; for actions speak louder than words, and so does gunfire! Therefore, as regards the order of human freedoms, that which is most ingrained in each and every individual is his ability to think and reason, which should be primary and therefore first. Freedom of thought and expression became number one on the agenda of a group of privileged, wealthy, and powerful colonial aristocrats who gave up everything they had and owned to ensure our freedoms. But the primary freedom of speech and expression takes a very secondary nature to one's natural right for self-defense when in an environment of despotism, tyranny, or a constant, immediate fear of domestic or foreign government attack. In such cases, the right to own and bear arms, our Second Amendment, shifts in order of priority and becomes the First order of business in preserving liberty. The Founders chose the natural order as opposed to the reactive one in terms of setting the priorities in the addendum to our Constitution as an afterthought, as our freedom from England had already been secured via our successful War of Independence. At no time in our history has the question of our right to own firearms, unhampered by illegal government intrusion, been brought more clearly and forcefully to the fore than now, concerning the question of arming pilots. For it demonstrates not only the wrong-headedness of gun control, it shows also how government, more specifically government bureaucracy, always grasps at any and all straws to subvert both the will and the rights of the people. The Bush White House has made it clear that it opposes arming pilots to prevent a repeat of the 9-11 airliner hijackings. This is odd: remember, President Bush was an Air Force National Guard fighter pilot. He personally experienced the military training that required not only superior capabilities to keep his jet under control for attack, but he was also required to carry and know how to operate a handgun. What role does the handgun play in aerial combat or bombing missions? The only purpose for military pilots carrying a handgun is for that most noble of all personal motives; self-defense. The Bush administration relied on the input from three bureaucrats on this issue: Tom Ridge, a left-liberal that puts little or no stock in individual liberties as best articulated by Senator Ted Kennedy; John 'Quick Draw' McGaw, one of the BATF engineers of the slaughter of Randy Weaver's wife and teenaged son at Ruby Ridge; and Norman Mineta, a Bill Clinton holdover and Transportation Department chief. Bush offered that he made his decision based upon inputs from these gun-control heavy hitters. But now, the issue has been resolved! Congress, the representatives of the American People, in our republican form of government of the people, by the people, and for the people, has finally spoken in virtual consensus! The Senate voted 87 to 6 to arm pilots. It's almost akin to a pure democracy where a clear majority rules. In both a republican as well as in a democratic sense, America has made its wishes known! But does this impress a hateful, despotic, his-way-or-the highway bureaucrat? So if Mineta has been overruled by America, what's left? If lies, deception, fraud and misrepresentation haven't worked to force his narrow-minded opinion on the populace, then he will offer yet more of precisely the very same thing! This coincides with the mentality of the Million Mommies' fraud of 12 children a day and Michael Bellesiles exposed fraudulent best-selling book. Mineta has offered that it will cost the taxpayers $900 million to $1 billion to arm the pilots. That's a lie! Real numbers are more like this: Joining a range - $200; cost of an eight hour pistol/revolver safety course offered by the same eee-vile NRA that trains police and other law enforcement officers - $40; cost of a simple .38 special revolver - $250; cost of training ammunition and targets - $100. Total cost? Five hundred dollars, American! Using other realistic estimates along with mine, the cost ranges from $42.5 million to $212.5
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] FW: For all you Saba fans
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/02 12:46:17 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sure Kris has grounds for a libel suit. Why not give it a rest...and take a dep breath? Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Saudis Pay out money
-Caveat Lector- I'm not sure why you think I approve of that sort of behavior. I think it is barbaric. But in no way does it excuse paying families of murderers to encourage more murder. Bringing up expulsions is a smokescreen, enabling you to ignore the question I asked. I don't know what Hitler has to do with it. on 9/19/02 5:55 PM, Jei at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- on 9/19/02 3:43 PM, Mermaid at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Half of me says oh good someone is helping these people and half of me says it is not a good idea to give money to the families of the suicide bombers because it is almost saying its okay to give your sons to the cause we will reimburse you for your loss with money. The Mermaid x It is not ALMOST saying it ok. It is explicitly saying it is ok to murder innocent, it is PAYING people to murder innocents. But I guess as long as it¹s just Jews it¹s not like it¹s wrong right? Can you explain the half of you that thinks it¹s Ok to pay people for murder? Don't forget that Israel bulldozes their relative's homes and extradites them out to some third-world countries, penniless. If your brother or cousing killed someone, would you think it just that your house and all your belongings are destroyed and you're banished forever to live abroad? It is also illegal by international law and a crime against humanity. But do the Hitler's mental kindred care? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Free your mind and your ass will follow. St George NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: HoffmanWire: Wall St. Journal Admits Iraq No Threat
-Caveat Lector- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- PRETHE HOFFMAN WIRE Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor A HREF= http://www.hoffman-info.com/news.html http://www.hoffman-info.com/news.html/A ***/PRE September 19, 2002 WALL STREET JOURNAL ADMITS IRAQ IS NOT A THREAT In Oil Fallout From Iraq War, Iran Could Gain, Saudis Lose By NEIL KING JR., JOHN J. FIALKA and BHUSHAN BAHREE Staff Reporters of The Wall Street Journal EDITOR'S NOTE: To gauge the extent of delusion inherent in the ridiculous Iraq-is-a-deadly-threat-to-the United States notion now playing in Limbaugh-land, please turn to the September 19, 2002 issue of the Wall Street Journal. In a front page article (continued on p. 10), by three investigative reporters, buried within their economic analysis, the authors make a startling admission in a single sentence: On the military front, experts doubt that Mr. Hussein has the technological might to cause much damage to his neighbors (p. A10). Surely most Americans know that fact already, as columnist Thomas Friedman conceded yesterday on the editorial page of the New York Times, questioning polls that allegedly show strong support among Americans for military action against Iraq. We are being stampeded into war, against the people's wishes, by the Israeli Knesset's western branch (sometimes known as the U.S. Congress), and by the corporate media. But now and then, in dealing with something as absurd as fifth-rate Iraq posing a threat to an America which can instantly vaporize Iraq in a mushroom cloud, the massive truth which the people know but the pundits dare not say, leaks forth, and we have it here today in the Wall Street Journal. The experts doubt Saddam can do much damage, even to his immediate neighbors in the Middle East! How then is he any threat to America? Truth is the first casualty of war. Michael A. Hoffman II --- Hoffman's latest book, co-authored with Moshe Lieberman,The Israeli Holocaust Against the Palestinians, may be purchased online: http://www.hoffman-info.com/cgi-bin/store/commerce.cgi?item=125 -- PROTEST THE ESTABLISHMENT CRIME SYNDICATE World Bank/IMF protest Saturday, September 28 in Washington D.C. The Mobilization for Global Justice is planning a large-scale action to protest the policies of the IMF and World Bank on September 28 in Washington D.C. The featured action will be a quarantine of the corporate greed epidemic. Demonstrators will demand that the World Bank, IMF, and their corporate counterparts stop destroying the planet. For more information visit http://www.globalizethis.org Wall Street Protest Friday Oct. 4 in New York Ralph Nader is headlining a rally on Wall Street, Friday, October 4, at 12 noon on the steps of Federal Hall, facing the New York Stock Exchange, on the corner of Wall St. and Broad St. Nader will join other national speakers in calling for a crackdown on corporate crime. The Wall Street rally will launch a series of events nationwide to channel people's anger at the recent corporate scandals into a focused and disciplined movement to break the grip of over-reaching corporate power and encourage honest business practices. To find out more visit http://www.democracyrising.org or call 212-349-6460. -- PREHoffman is a former reporter for the New York bureau of the Associated Press The HOFFMAN WIRE is a public service of Independent History and Research, Box 849, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho 83816 USA 24 Hour Revisionist News Bureau: A HREF= http://www.hoffman-info.com/news.html
[CTRL] Fwd: [global_news_net] GNN - WHAT THE UN SHOULD HAVE HEARD
-Caveat Lector- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- ADVERTISEMENT My Groups | global_news_net Main Page GLOBAL NEWS NET NewsbreaksAnalysisCommentary Awareness Leading to Solutions Global News Net is a forum whose mission is to present diverse information, commentary and analysis for the purpose of promoting solution-oriented awareness and introspection leading to informed choices. September 19, 2002 WHAT THE UN SHOULD HAVE HEARD By Ian Kleinfeld (first posted September 19 on www.yellowtimes.org ) Ladies and Gentlemen of the International Community: I speak to you today of a grave threat to the international order and peace. There is a nation among us that is an immediate danger to us all, requiring immediate action by all peace-loving countries that believe in the rule of law. We are dealing with a nation that routinely thwarts the will of the international community; it has both possession of and continues to seek further weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons despite international laws and treaties prohibiting it. This country has shown itself to be a belligerent force, invading sovereign nations it does not approve of with impunity and in violation of international laws and consensus. It uses its military solely to further its power over oil. It has shown complete disregard for the safety of the international community by overthrowing legitimate governments, supporting and arming dictators, and murdering civilians by the millions. Thousands of dissidents have disappeared in its jails without legal recourse, in contradiction to the words and spirit of its own Constitution and Bill of Rights. It destroys its own natural resources and contributes to massive environmental destruction worldwide, while using its military force to squelch opposition to its policies. This country has a long history of brutality and disrespect of civil rights and international law. The list of UN resolutions that it has ignored or sabotaged is nearly endless. It uses its power in the UN to aid its allies and punish its ideological adversaries with no regard for what is right, true, ethical, or in the best interests of the greater good. Even now it threatens to act with unilateral violence if the UN fails to take action it wants. A government like this has no place in the international community. It is for all these reasons that I call on you today to foment regime change in the United States by any means necessary. In the years to come, your actions will go down in history as a courageous people acting the interest of the world to ensure peace. If you fail to act, the consequences are enormous, and will lead to an ever-increasing cycle of violence, and the end of peace on this planet as we know it, making the 3037 who died on September 11th appear a small tragedy in comparison. Act now, act decisively, and act effectively. ** Ian Kleinfeld, who lives in the United States is the editor of http://www.DemocracyMeansYou.com and is a guest columnist for YellowTimes.org: www.yellowtimes.org . As always, GNN is grateful to YellowTimes.org for permission to re-issue their articles. Ian Kleinfeld encourages your comments: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Watch for a collection of articles by YellowTimes.org columnists soon to be published by Dandelion Books. Global News Net is a free newsletter published by Dandelion Books, LLC, Tempe, Arizona. If others wish to subscribe to the free Global News Net newsletter, please have them click on [EMAIL PROTECTED] . For archived issues of Global News Net, click on
Re: [CTRL] Saudis Pay out money
Title: Re: [CTRL] Saudis Pay out money -Caveat Lector- Actually Palestinian universities get lots of money from Israel. But why let facts get in the way of a good point, eh? I will try not to stoop the personal level you feel is called for here, to try to stay with the facts. The perpetrators here are on both sides. They are those who profit from violence. Why you feel this is an excuse to dream of things in my ass is beyond me, but - whatever gets you through the night. Easy to say forget about the land but the land is the only issue. on 9/19/02 7:04 PM, Mermaid at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- I was talking about the universities ...dummy the help the students are getting for their educationThat of course if the Israelis dont go and reduce them into a pile of rubble like they have everything else...I mean god forbid that palestinians should be educated. And the fact that the poor sods who the Israelis have put out of work are getting some money to support their families. I do not condone anyone for killing either Jew or gentile what we need to do is bang these shmuckos heads together and tell them to STOP killing each other.I want PEACE I assume you want PEACE.This is all about GREED and Stealing land that doesnt belong really to anybody in particular. Forget that they are Israelis or Palestinians they are HUMANBEINGS at the end of the day...who gives a shit about the land.It is all so ruddy petty and infantile.The ones who are not Human are the perpetrators of this pathetic war,And you and I know very well who they are. Not that you would admit it becaue youve got your head so far up your bum youre as blind as they are! The Mermaid xxx - Original Message - From: thew mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Saudis Pay out money -Caveat Lector- on 9/19/02 3:43 PM, Mermaid at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Half of me says oh good someone is helping these people and half of me says it is not a good idea to give money to the families of the suicide bombers because it is almost saying its okay to give your sons to the cause we will reimburse you for your loss with money. The Mermaid x It is not ALMOST saying it ok. It is explicitly saying it is ok to murder innocent, it is PAYING people to murder innocents. But I guess as long as its just Jews its not like its wrong right? Can you explain the half of you that thinks its Ok to pay people for murder? -- We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people. President John F. Kennedy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Rothschild Empire Targeted For Slave Reparations
-Caveat Lector- http://www.bankindex.com/read.asp?ID=1228 Neither ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN nor Fox -all owned by families connected to the Rothschilds have reported this! Bankers Sued for Slave Reparations Despite all the media hype about reparations for African-Americans, one major lawsuit involving reparations has not received much publicity. Find out why. Exclusive to American Free Press By Michael Collins Piper It hasnât made much of a splash in the mainstream media, but the worldâs wealthiest, most powerful and highly respected international banking familyâthe Rothschildsâhas been targeted in a lawsuit by African-Americans who allege that numerous Rothschild empire-related corporations profited from the African slave trade. Neither ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN nor Foxâall of which are owned by a clique of powerful, interconnected families and corporations with ties to the Rothschild interestsâhave reported on this story. However, on Sept. 4 a brief item appearing in The Washington Post, referencing the Reuters news service, provided some specifics. African-American citizensâdescendants of slavesâhave filed suit against a number of major global corporations demanding reparations for reaping profits on the backs of slaves. The Post cited Deadria Farmer-Paellman, who is filing lawsuits against a diverse series of corporate targets demanding that they release corporate archives which might shed light on how those corporations may have profited from the slave trade. Farmer-Paellman had previously filed a federal class action suit against CSX railroad, which used slave labor in building its lines, and Aetna, the insurance giant. Aetna apologized for insuring owners against injured and runaway slaves, but has refused to make restitution. What the story in the Post did not mentionâbut which is very much the caseâis that many (if not all) of the corporations targeted are corporations historically controlled by the wide-ranging international web primarily dominated by the Rothschild family. The diverse targets include: J. P. Morgan Chase Co., Lehman Brothers Holdings, Inc., Brown Brothers Harriman, the Loews Corp, and Lloyds of London among several others. These named corporations are all part of the Rothschild sphere of influence, which includes such wealthy families as the Bronfmans, the Reichmanns, the Belzbergs, the Newhouses, Murdochs, Sulzbergers and others. Other corporations named include American Inter national Group, Inc., the insurance firm, as well as Union Pacific and Norfolk Southern Corp. railroads. WestPoint Stevens Inc., a textile firm, and such tobacco makers as R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Holdings Inc., Brown Williamson Tobacco Corp. and Liggett Group, which is now indirectly owned by Vector Group Ltd. The interests, which dominate the American media, have downplayed the significance of these lawsuits, but the ramifications are far reaching: rather than asking every American taxpayer to âkick inâ for reparations, those who are asking for payback are targeting those who actually profited directly from the slave trade. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Saudis Pay out money
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/02 7:14:57 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The perpetrators here are on both sides. IF you believe that why do you insist on defending Sharon and his ilk and demonizing the Palestinians? You're about as "fair and balanced" as Fox News...funny too, you both allow Zionist Israel to dictate your very thoughts. Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] No More UN Wars!
-Caveat Lector- http://www.jbs.org/reviewonline/020915_transcript.htm No More UN Wars! Hello and welcome to Review of the News Online. Iâm William Norman Grigg, senior editor of The New American magazine â an affiliated publication of The John Birch Society. There is only a handful of instances in which it is right to wage war. Free people understand, however, that where war is justified, it is mandatory. Those of us who cherish freedom understand that we have no choice but to fight if our homes, families, freedoms, and homeland are threatened by an aggressor. But we must also understand that if we are not fighting to protect any of these precious things, we are fighting the wrong war. This is the case with the impending war on Iraq. Are there circumstances under which it would be justified to go to war on Iraq? There could be. We have the right to defend our country from aggression, and to demand satisfaction from foreign powers that commit acts of war on our nation. If, for instance, Saddamâs regime played a central role in the Black Tuesday atrocity, or helped facilitate the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, we would be justified in declaring war on that regime. But before committing our nation to such a war, Congress should be compelled to examine the role played by both Republican and Democrat administrations in creating Saddamâs war machine, and preserving his regime. (For information about this scandal, please click on the link at the end of the transcript of this commentary.) But the Bush administrationâs case for war against Iraq omits entirely the question of U.S. national interests, focusing instead on the supposed necessity of enforcing the will of the United Nations. In his September 12th speech to the UN General Assembly, President Bush declared: "The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of U.N. demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?" The President reprised that theme â in virtually identical language -- in his September 14th national radio address. And he recited the same mantra in remarks for reporters at a Camp David press conference on the same day: "The U.N. will either be able to function as a peacekeeping body as we head into the 21st century, or it will be irrelevant. And that's what we're about to find outâ¦. This is the chance for the United Nations to show some backbone and resolve as we confront the true challenges of the 21st century." The Presidentâs repeated public insistence that the U.S. should go to war against Iraq in order to validate the UN earned plaudits from former Secretary of State James A. Baker III. In a September 15th Washington Post column, Baker actually praised the President for omitting any mention of our own nationâs interests from his address to the UN. "[The President] did not try to link Iraq with the terrorist attacks of September 11th," noted Baker, "nor ⦠did he argue in terms of other specific U.S. interests." Once again, Baker was not criticizing this approach, but rather praising the president for taking "the moral high ground on the issue of Iraq." According to Baker, "The administrationâs challenge now is to persuade the United Nations to act on its principles." This would involve framing a UN Security Council Resolution requiring invasive arms inspections in Iraq, and authorizing the use of "all necessary means" to bring about those inspections. The inspectors would have "a warrant to go anywhere, anytime, without exceptions, ⦠and should be backed up with a United Nations security force on Iraqi soil, preferably under U.S. commandâ¦." No sane American relishes the thought of an Iraqi regime armed with nuclear or bio-warfare weapons. But hereâs the question patriotic Americans must confront: Are we willing to send our nationâs sons to kill and die on behalf of UN disarmament decrees? The Bush administration and the UN are rapidly reaching a "consensus" in favor of a proposal very much like that described in Bakerâs op-ed column, and a draft of the envisioned Resolution is expected by September 23rd. The blueprint for that resolution was devised by the misnamed Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, which for decades has been a redoubt of globally minded elitists eager to use international conflict to advance the cause of world government. On September 12th, shortly before President Bush delivered his address to the UN, the Carnegie Endowment held a panel discussion at its Washington, D.C. headquarters to introduce its new report "Iraq: A New Approach," which offers a framework for "comply-or-else" arms inspections. Endowment President Jessica Matthews
[CTRL] WAR: KARL ROVE'S ULTIMATE WEDGE ISSUE
-Caveat Lector- http://www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?catid=1104custid=67 MATTHEW MILLER For release 9/18/02 WAR: KARL ROVE'S ULTIMATE WEDGE ISSUE By Matthew Miller Tribune Media Services You can't understand today's Iraq debate without understanding Karl Rove's view of the nation's political crossroads and the longer-term struggle between Democrats and Republicans to achieve a new governing majority. If you're convinced that Iraq is purely about national security, read no further. If you want to understand the full picture, let's go to the heart of darkness. The defining feature of American politics in recent years has been the remarkable parity between the two parties. You can't get closer than the presidential tie in 2000, not to mention the narrow majorities in Congress. Yet periods of closely divided power are unusual in America. Our system of government has generally favored the creation of effective majorities. Think of FDR and the New Deal coalition, which lasted from the 1930s until it gave way in the late 1960s under the strains of Vietnam and the backlash against civil rights. Ronald Reagan presided over a period of conservative power from 1980 to 1992. Most analysts view eras of closely divided power as periods in which one system of effective majority has broken down and the next system of effective majority has not yet come into being. In this view, the 1990s look transitional: Reagan's majority broke down, but Bill Clinton couldn't get Democrats to the promised land. In their important new book, "The Emerging Democratic Majority," John Judis and Ruy Teixeira argue that long-term trends - in particular, the rise of suburban professional women, Latinos, and a white working class that feels economically insecure - favor the Democrats. Many Republicans think these trends favor Democrats, too. That's why George W. Bush, learning the lesson of Newt Gingrich, has always pretended to have a "compassionate" agenda. But Republican political consultants privately know the surest way to stem the Democratic drift is for the war on terror to become the master narrative of American politics. In their view, one of two things will happen in the next few years. In the first scenario, national security (and internal security) become the dominant issues in our politics, and Democrats, trusted less on these matters, revert to their minority status of the 1970s and 1980s. The other scenario is that the public tires of the struggle, or terrorism remains (thankfully) rare, or there's a decisive "victory" somehow. In this case Republican weaknesses on domestic problems come back into focus. These weaknesses were a problem in the 1990s but not fatal, in GOP eyes, because of the public's qualms about Bill Clinton's character. But under a less-vulnerable new leader, in this scenario, Democrats should be able to re-emerge as a "third way" majority party. As one conservative thinker said to me, "If the war on terrorism is not a big deal, it's hard to see the conservatives ever coming back." On the other hand, if the war on terrorism remains a big deal, the Democrats may split. One benefit of invading Iraq that conservatives speculate openly about is that it will tear the Democratic Party down the middle, as did Vietnam. A peace candidate in New Hampshire in 2004 is the new Republican fantasy. It turns out affirmative action and immigration were just the warm-up. Now war is the GOP's ultimate wedge issue. I'm not saying this is all that motivates the White House. But I have no doubt it is part of what motivates some powerful people near the president. Serious Republican thinkers believe the only way for their party to achieve a governing majority is for the theme of war to be dominant. This is a fact, and whatever else you may think of it, it's a little scary. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
Re: [CTRL] Rothschild Empire Targeted For Slave Reparations
-Caveat Lector- FYI http://www.bankindex.com/read.asp?ID=1228 Neither ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN nor Fox -all owned by families connected to the Rothschilds have reported this! Bankers Sued for Slave Reparations Despite all the media hype about reparations for African-Americans, one major lawsuit involving reparations has not received much publicity. Find out why. Exclusive to American Free Press By Michael Collins Piper It hasnt made much of a splash in the mainstream media, but the worlds wealthiest, most powerful and highly respected international banking familythe Rothschildshas been targeted in a lawsuit by African-Americans who allege that numerous Rothschild empire-related corporations profited from the African slave trade. Neither ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN nor Foxall of which are owned by a clique of powerful, interconnected families and corporations with ties to the Rothschild interestshave reported on this story. However, on Sept. 4 a brief item appearing in The Washington Post, referencing the Reuters news service, provided some specifics. African-American citizensdescendants of slaveshave filed suit against a number of major global corporations demanding reparations for reaping profits on the backs of slaves. The Post cited Deadria Farmer-Paellman, who is filing lawsuits against a diverse series of corporate targets demanding that they release corporate archives which might shed light on how those corporations may have profited from the slave trade. Farmer-Paellman had previously filed a federal class action suit against CSX railroad, which used slave labor in building its lines, and Aetna, the insurance giant. Aetna apologized for insuring owners against injured and runaway slaves, but has refused to make restitution. What the story in the Post did not mentionbut which is very much the caseis that many (if not all) of the corporations targeted are corporations historically controlled by the wide-ranging international web primarily dominated by the Rothschild family. The diverse targets include: J. P. Morgan Chase Co., Lehman Brothers Holdings, Inc., Brown Brothers Harriman, the Loews Corp, and Lloyds of London among several others. These named corporations are all part of the Rothschild sphere of influence, which includes such wealthy families as the Bronfmans, the Reichmanns, the Belzbergs, the Newhouses, Murdochs, Sulzbergers and others. Other corporations named include American Inter national Group, Inc., the insurance firm, as well as Union Pacific and Norfolk Southern Corp. railroads. WestPoint Stevens Inc., a textile firm, and such tobacco makers as R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Holdings Inc., Brown Williamson Tobacco Corp. and Liggett Group, which is now indirectly owned by Vector Group Ltd. The interests, which dominate the American media, have downplayed the significance of these lawsuits, but the ramifications are far reaching: rather than asking every American taxpayer to kick in for reparations, those who are asking for payback are targeting those who actually profited directly from the slave trade. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org/A> DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A> http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl/A> To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's
[CTRL] WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS
-Caveat Lector- http://www.etherzone.com/2002/nova092402.shtml WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS A BRAVE OLD WORLD By: Novakeo Many had hoped as humanity left the millennium into the dawning of the new that somehow things would be different in the world. The world had just finished the most lethal and brutal century of warfare that mankind had ever experienced. Our enlightened elites told us that modern technology, the new economy of the information age, and the wonderful reality of globalism would bring prosperity to most, bring the global village closer together, create a common bond, break down the walls of diversity to establish peaceful co-existence between nations, a collective utopian paradise run by the few for the many. After all, that is what all the humanitarian wars of the nineties were all about. Of course there was never any veracity in this destructive and deceptive philosophy, it was always about the prosperity of the few at the expense of the many. Waging international war was and is for the elites, always about accumulating more power for themselves, independent of the people, then it was ever about humanitarian compassion or self-defense. The American left, i.e. - neoconservatives, socialists, liberal globalists, represent the real danger to the American way of life and to international order more than the present day Hitler (Saddam) could ever prove to be. Our constitutional liberties which was designed to give the average American enough freedom to, when mobilized, act as a restraint to the arbitrary power of the state, is being systematically subverted by the Bush government in its mythical pursuit for security. The clique in Washington is not affected by any legal constitutional restraints and is not only threatening foreign nations with âYou are either with us or with the terroristsâ but, in addition, is most significantly designed for domestic consumption. President Bushâs speech to the United Nations clearly represents the virtual image of a change in international rules and conduct between sovereign nations. Bushâs speech clarifies that we live in a brave old world of power politics where military power is used to establish government policy and to coerce other nations. In other words, the more things seem to change the more they really remain the same. We heard from President Bush the same old predictable mantra of freedom, peace, human rights, western justice, and womenâs rights for a liberated post Saddam Iraq. On the face of it all it sounds exquisite and so democratic. The problem with this play in compassionate conservatism is that it is deluded and disingenuous where truth contradicts its very essence and authenticity. It is the same nonsensical reasoning that we heard from the humanitarian warriors of the Clinton regime when they decided to create, arm and release Muslim terrorists in Kosovo and later criminally bomb the Christian Serbs for having the audacity to defend themselves. The fabricated and elevated accusations by the elites concerning genocide and ethnic cleansing by the Serbs later the Macedonians served its purpose to induce media frenzy and create an alternate reality for a compassionate justification of an illegitimate and aggressive war. The same demonization of Saddam by the oligarch is directly related to the lack of truthful evidence and legal encumbrance in creating a legitimate case for war. Let us look at some of what President Bush said in his address to the United Nations. We read - âthe people of Iraq can shake off their captivity. They can one day join a democratic Afghanistan and a democratic Palestine, inspiring reforms throughout the Muslim world. These nations can show by their example that honest government, and respect for women, and the great Islamic tradition of learning can triumph in the Middle East and beyond.â So, America is in the Middle East to establish democracy for Afghanistan, Iraq, and a future Palestine. I wonder what the Israelis think about a future Palestinian stateâ¦most likely is that they very well know this will never happen. The Muslim world is going to have to shape up and stop being so Muslim, and introduce western morality and some apple pie of course. Do you think Bush is really sincere about honest government? By the way, President Bush never mentioned Osama bin Laden once, wasnât he the one who attacked America and continues to threatened more of the same. I guess heâs yesterdayâs monster. President Bush also said that - âTwelve years ago, Iraq invaded Kuwait without provocation. And the regime's forces were poised to continue their march to seize other countries and their resources.â Bush was referring to âcontinue their marchâ to Saudi Arabia which was the pretext used by President Bush elder for aggressive war a decade ago. It was a blatant lie then as it is now, in this instance like father like son. Bushâs assertion that Iraq invaded Kuwait without provocation is an
[CTRL] Bush Senior: Hating Saddam, Selling Him Weapons
-Caveat Lector- http://www.counterpunch.org/ September 19, 2002 Bush Senior: Hating Saddam, Selling Him Weapons by Kurt Nimmo In an interview with CNN's Paula Zahn, former president George Bush spoke recently of his "hatred" of Saddam Hussein. "I hate Saddam Hussein," said Bush."I don't hate a lot of people. I don't hate easily, but I think he's, as I say, his word is no good and he's a brute. He's used poison gas on his own people. So, there's nothing redeeming about this man." The former president claims to hate Saddam simply because he is "no good" and a "brute." Zahn does not bother to probe deeper. Paula Zahn's ratings are dismal these days. Her former boss over at FOX News said, "a dead raccoon could get higher ratings." The Bush interview, obviously, is good for Zahn's floundering career. As such, we shouldn't expect Zahn to push Bush Senior on the particulars of his hatred. Not these days, anyway, when the corporate media essentially plays second fiddle for the government. Hatred in the wake of the Gulf War is not unique. For instance, Wasli el-Ghazali, most assuredly hated Bush and America. Ghazali was convicted back in 1994 for his role in a plot to murder George Bush the Elder during a visit to Kuwait. "Every Arab child is worth all of America," Ghazali told Robert Fisk of the Independent. "I am an Iraqi citizen. Bush killed 16 members of my family." In response to the failed--and some would say bogus--plot to kill Bush, Clinton fired 23 Tomahawk missiles into Baghdad on June 26, 1993 (more than a year before the conviction of Ghazali and his co-conspirators). Seven of these "precision guided" missiles missed their target (or did they?) and hit civilian housing, killing eight people, including the renowned artist Leila al-Attar. Clinton later told the American people they could "feel good" about the attack. No word if Clinton, like Bush, hates Saddam Hussein--or, for that matter, innocent Iraqi civilians, including artists. Bush did not tell CNN's Zahn if the assassination plot was the particular incident that stoked his hatred of the Iraqi dictator, nor did the anchor ask. It is fair to conclude Bush has not always hated Saddam. Or if he has hated Saddam all these years, he put that hatred aside in the name of statecraft. Reagan, Bush, the Iraqi dictator, and American corporations have worked together over the years. War and death make for good business. It also makes for lies and deception--and possibly for less than truthful interviews. Former Reagan official and National Security Council staffer Howard Teicher has described a less than hateful relationship between the Reagan administration and Saddam Hussein. In 1995, Teicher offered an affidavit in the Teledyne case, a legal sideshow to a larger scandal known as "Iraqgate." According to Teicher, he and Donald Rumsfeld traveled to Iraq to make sure the Iraqi dictator received what he needed in order to win the Iran-Iraq war--or if not win at least make sure there was a draw. "CIA Director Casey personally spearheaded the effort to ensure that Iraq had sufficient military weapons, ammunition and vehicles," Teicher swore in the affidavit. Teicher claims the United States "actively supported the Iraqi war effort by supplying the Iraqis with billions of dollars of credits, by providing US military intelligence and advice to the Iraqis, and by closely monitoring third country arms sales to Iraq to make sure Iraq had the military weaponry required." Reagan also sent a secret message to Saddam, which then vice president Bush delivered to Egyptian President Mubarak, and Mubarak passed on to Saddam, "telling him that Iraq should step up its air war and bombing of Iran." Reagan CIA director Casey wanted to give Saddam cluster bombs, which "were a perfect 'force multiplier' that would allow the Iraqis to defend against the 'human waves' of Iranian attackers," explained the former NSC staffer. He recorded Casey's comments in meeting minutes, which are now in the Ronald Reagan presidential archives in Simi Valley, California. In 1982, Reagan "legalized" direct military assistance to Iraq. This resulted in more than a billion dollars in military related exports. According to Kenneth R. Timmerman (author of The Death Lobby: How the West Armed Iraq) the US government under Reagan and Bush sold Iraq 60 Hughes MD 500 "Defender" helicopters, eight Bell Textron AB 212 military helicopters equipped for anti-submarine warfare, 48 Bell Textron 214 ST utility helicopters (sold for "recreational" purposes), and US military infra-red sensors and thermal imaging scanners (sold illegally to Iraq through a Dutch company). After the Gulf War, the International Atomic Energy Agency found the following US equipment in Iraq: spectrometers, oscilloscopes, neutron initiators, high-speed switches for nuclear detonation, and other tools used to develop and manufacture nuclear weapons. "One entire facility, a tungsten-carbide manufacturing plant that was part of
[CTRL] War With Iraq - Who Benefits?
-Caveat Lector- http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFullcid=1032275790489 Sep. 18, 2002 Experts agree Israel has most to gain from Saddam ouster By MATTHEW GUTMAN An American attack on Iraq would have sweeping regional implications for non-combatant Middle East states, with Israel the nation that has the most to gain from the ouster of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, according to panelists at a Bar-Ilan University seminar yesterday entitled "The Regional Implications of a US Attack on Iraq." The US campaign against Iraq could just as easily consist of "a bullet in Saddam's head" or a weapons inspection regime with teeth, as a massive and costly ground invasion, according to Dr. Amin Tarzi, Radio Free Europe's regional analyst for Afghanistan and Iraq, and Prof. Ephraim Inbar, the director of the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies (BESA). "I don't think the US is ready for a large number of body bags," Tarzi said, referring to the loss of American lives an invasion could entail. He said he believes the US will set a "minimalist goal," such as eliminating Saddam or putting him on the run not necessarily democracy-building in a "Saddam-less" Iraq. Inbar said Israel has the most to gain from an Iraqi regime change, which could isolate Syria and Iran, and possibly push Syria from Lebanon and result in the disarmament of Hizbullah. "The destruction of Saddam," could also weaken anti-US sentiment in the Arab world, Inbar said, taking issue with the view of Arab leaders, such as Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, who warn that a strike on Iraq could ignite the "Arab street" and result in the overthrow of the Arab moderates. Dr. Hillel Frisch, a senior researcher at BESA, minimized the threat of the "Arab street," saying it has not reared its head since the Iranian revolution in 1979. The one thing Arab leaders do well is hold onto power, he added. According to BESA's expert on Turkey, Amikam Nachmani, Israel's closest regional ally stands to lose the most. He said that "100,000 barrels of oil a day pass from Iraq to Turkey," the loss of which could send Turkey's teetering economy tumbling. An American attack would also effectively end Turkey's $400 million trade partnership with Iraq, he added. Turkey has only given lukewarm backing to a possible US-led campaign because it fears unsettling its Kurdish minority of 12 million people, who might demand a state of their own following an Iraqi shakeup, Nachmani said. On the other hand, it fears disappointing the US, which is influential with the International Monetary Fund, in the process of injecting Turkey's sagging economy with a $25 billion grant, he added. All of the panelists downplayed the likelihood that Iraq would attack Israel either with conventional weapons or non-conventional weapons. Tarzi, who previously worked as a US disarmament specialist, said it would be very difficult for Saddam to use his weapons against Israel, in part due to the massive US effort to locate and destroy his missile launchers. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Holy or Unholy, Jews and Right in an Alliance
-Caveat Lector- http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage4.asp Holy or Unholy, Jews and Right in an Alliance by Philip Weiss Right after 9/11, I made a bold prediction: that the small number of players who determine American policy in the Middle East would soon be joined by a broadly based peace faction which recognizes that the Arab-Israeli conflict threatens American security. I was wrong. The number of players remains small. If theyâve made room at the table for anyone, it hasnât been peaceniks, but hawkish Christians. The reason I was wrong is that I didnât reckon on the strength of the Zionist lobby. As it demonstrated by helping to bankroll successful challengers to two incumbent Congressmen who had spoken out for Palestinian rightsâCynthia McKinney of Georgia and Earl Hilliard of Alabamaâthe Zionist lobby is powerful and focused. "The score is now Jewish activists 2, anti-Israel members of Congress 0," the Jewish Press crowed in its coverage of those primaries. But who else said it so bluntly? One of the difficulties about discussing this question is that the mainstream media refuse to address it directly; itâs considered too sensitive. The New York Timesâ front-page story on Ms. McKinneyâs defeat purposely muddled the issue. Its headline read, "For Black Politicians, 2 Races Suggest a Rise of New Tactics." The Jewish lobby did not make an appearance until the fifth paragraph, and then in a backhanded fashion. You donât see The Times pussyfooting when it comes to the anti-Castro lobby or the National Rifle Association, two other powerful special-interest groups. When they muscle the system, we read faintly sinister accounts of the Arlington, Va., headquarters for the gun lobby and the bland, alien Wayne LaPierre, or hysterical interviews with nutso Castro-haters on Eighth Street in Miami. Even the words "Jewish lobby" stick in the throat. Earlier this year, Chris Matthews devoted a segment on Hardball to the question of why European nations have such a different position on the Middle East than the United States does. The segment was moronic. It ignored a social and political reality that Mr. Matthews, a political veteran, knows damn well: Jews are empowered in American society in a way that they are not in Europe. Indeed, Jewish money may be the most important segment of Democrat Party fund-raising. Last year, on a trip to the Middle East, Times columnist Thomas Friedman also dismissed the issue. He said that an Arab journalist approached him at a conference and quietly asked him about all the Jews in the media in the United States. Mr. Friedman stepped away, shaking his head. "Wow," he wrote, before commenting somewhat along the lines of Can you believe the conspiracy theories that have taken root in the Arab world? Itâs only understandable that these theories have taken root. Jews represent an American elite. They have money, they have power, and Ariel Sharon has explicitly called upon them to use their influence over the American political process. Youâre just not allowed to say so in mixed company. Talking about "Jewish influence" reminds people of the Nazis. Abe Foxman is ready at a momentâs notice to insist on the Jewish identity as victim. Any acknowledgment of the large Jewish presence in the American establishment would start up anti-Semitism in this country, it is thought. (The same concerns probably caused Seinfeld to prevaricate about its Jewishness by unconvincingly labeling George, Kramer and Elaine as goyim.) The problem is that the Zionist lobby is too important not to talk about. Itâs a significant institution, and its moods and tone affect all of our interests. But the best reporting on the lobby happens at the periphery. For instance, the writer Michael Massing did a searching piece on the Zionist lobby in The American Prospect earlier this year, in which he showed that the lobbyâs goal is to make sure there is "no daylight" between the American government and the Israeli government. And as the Israeli government has gotten tougher, so has the lobby. "The Jewish lobby has changed dramatically in the last 10 years. It is no longer a Jewish lobby per se, but a pro-Israeli lobby," explains Jean Abinader, managing director of the Arab-American Institute. "The Kristols, Krauthammers and Safires have brought in their crowdâneoconservatives and Christian evangelicals." What about the natural proclivity of Jews to be liberals? Liberals have yielded authority in the debate, Mr. Abinader says, due to feelings of fear and guilt over the horrors of the latest intifada: "Who knows the security situation in Israel better, us or them?" And, Mr. Abinader adds, American liberals have gotten no signals of moderation from the Palestinians. Heâs right: I heard many of those sentiments expressed by the rabbi at a Kol Nidre service at a conservative synagogue on the Upper West Side. The refusal of liberal American Jews to make an independent stand has
[CTRL] Why Are We Arming North Korea?
-Caveat Lector- http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2002/09/16/007.html Monday, Sep. 16, 2002. Page 8 Nuclear Succor for North Korea By Matt Bivens I n his famous "axis of evil" speech, President George W. Bush said "North Korea is a regime arming with missiles and weapons of mass destruction while starving its citizens." Fair enough. So why is the United States hand-delivering to Great Leader Kim Jong Il a pair of nuclear power reactors capable of producing enough weapons-grade plutonium each year to make dozens of nuclear bombs? In the early 1990s, North Korea was running domestically built reactors that were churning out bomb-grade plutonium. It was the heart of a covert weapons program that has, according to U.S. intelligence, already yielded "one or two" nuclear bombs. The Clinton administration convinced Pyongyang to shut down those reactors and to allow in UN weapons inspectors. In return, North Korea was to get two U.S.-designed light-water reactors, or LWRs, and free heating oil each year until they were built. The Bush team has not blocked the policy, and last month concrete was poured for the reactor foundations. If North Korea needs energy to replace its homemade reactors, why not build them coal- or gas-fired plants? These are far cheaper to build and run than nuclear plants. And as an added bonus, coal plants can't moonlight as factories for weapons of mass destruction. Apparently the State Department has convinced itself light-water reactors can't be used to make bombs. But they can -- something the State Department does recognize when discussing Russia's plans to build the same reactors in Iran. "LWRs could be used to produce dozens of bombs' worth of weapons-grade plutonium in both North Korea and Iran," write Henry Sokolski, who runs a nuclear nonproliferation center (www.npec-web.org) in Washington, and Victor Gilinsky, a former commissioner of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission. "This is true of all LWRs -- a depressing fact U.S. policymakers have managed to block out." Even the State Department's uneasily evasive language gives up the game: the LWRs in North Korea (apparently unlike Russia's in Iran) are "proliferation-resistant." As opposed, one assumes, to "proliferation-proof." The old Korean-designed reactors had to be refueled frequently, and it was easy for Pyongyang to quietly pull out the bombs-grade gunk inside. Light-water reactors, by contrast, have to be shut down for an extended period to extract such material. This is what qualifies them as "proliferation-resistant" -- because it's hard to do this secretly. Sokolski and Gilinsky, writing in The Washington Post, cited a study by the Lawrence Livermore weapons laboratory, which says upon the first scheduled refueling -- about 15 months after the reactors go into operation -- an LWR will contain about 300 kilograms of near-weapons grade material. Assume North Korea diverts that material to bomb-making, and it could have "a couple of dozen bombs in a couple of months." Yet the program's backers argue, straight-faced, that because North Korea knows it will eventually be caught, it will be afraid to do this. Never mind that North Korea, like Iraq, is still keeping out UN weapons inspectors. And never mind that since Sept. 11 last year, Washington has denied Americans much the same knowledge of reactor safety and operations it now intends to share with a regime listed as a state sponsor of terrorism. The whole arrangement is so ludicrous that it's surprising more of America's enterprising politicians aren't piling on to complain about it. We are using the holiest of holies -- the American taxpayer's dollar -- to build a nuclear program for a reclusive North Korean dictator. Duh! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory
[CTRL] Ritter Repeats His Message - Iraq Poses No Threat To US
-Caveat Lector- http://www.rense.com/general29/ritters.htm Ritter Repeats His Message - Iraq Poses No Threat To US By David Pallister The Guardian - London 9-19-2 'Even if Iraq managed to hide these weapons, what they are now hiding is harmless goo.' -- Scott Ritter UN weapons inspectors are poised to return to Iraq, but does Saddam Hussein have any weapons of mass destruction for them to find? The Bush administration insists he still has chemical and biological stockpiles and is well on the way to building a nuclear bomb. Scott Ritter, a former marine officer who spent seven years hunting and destroying Saddam's arsenal, is better placed than most to know the truth. Here, in an exclusive extract from his new book, he tells William Rivers Pitt why he believes the threat posed by the Iraqi dictator has been overstated. Pitt: Does Iraq have weapons of mass destruction? Ritter: It's not black-and-white, as some in the Bush administration make it appear. There's no doubt that Iraq hasn't fully complied with its disarmament obligations as set forth by the UN security council in its resolution. But on the other hand, since 1998 Iraq has been fundamentally disarmed: 90-95% of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capability has been verifiably eliminated. This includes all of the factories used to produce chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, and long-range ballistic missiles; the associated equipment of these factories; and the vast majority of the products coming out of these factories. Iraq was supposed to turn everything over to the UN, which would supervise its destruction and removal. Iraq instead chose to destroy - unilaterally, without UN supervision - a great deal of this equipment. We were later able to verify this. But the problem is that this destruction took place without documentation, which means the question of verification gets messy very quickly. P: Why did Iraq destroy the weapons instead of turning them over? R: In many cases, the Iraqis were trying to conceal the weapons' existence. And the unilateral destruction could have been a ruse to maintain a cache of weapons of mass destruction by claiming they had been destroyed. It is important to not give Iraq the benefit of the doubt. Iraq has lied to the international community. It has lied to inspectors. There are many people who believe Iraq still seeks to retain the capability to produce these weapons. That said, we have no evidence that Iraq retains either the capability or material. In fact, a considerable amount of evidence suggests Iraq doesn't retain the necessary material. I believe the primary problem at this point is one of accounting. Iraq has destroyed 90 to 95% of its weapons of mass destruction. Okay. We have to remember that this missing 5 to 10% doesn't necessarily constitute a threat. It doesn't even constitute a weapons programme. It constitutes bits and pieces of a weapons programme which, in its totality, doesn't amount to much, but which is still prohibited. Likewise, just because we can't account for it, doesn't mean Iraq retains it. There is no evidence that Iraq retains this material. That is the quandary we are in. We can't give Iraq a clean bill of health, therefore we can't close the book on its weapons of mass destruction. But simultaneously we can't reasonably talk about Iraqi non-compliance as representing a de facto retention of a prohibited capability worthy of war. Nuclear weapons R: When I left Iraq in 1998, when the UN inspection programme ended, the infrastructure and facilities had been 100% eliminated. There's no debate about that. All of their instruments and facilities had been destroyed. The weapons design facility had been destroyed. The production equipment had been hunted down and destroyed. And we had in place means to monitor - both from vehicles and from the air - the gamma rays that accompany attempts to enrich uranium or plutonium. We never found anything. We can say unequivocally that the industrial infrastructure needed by Iraq to produce nuclear weapons had been eliminated. Even this, however, is not simple, because Iraq still had thousands of scientists who had been dedicated to this nuclear weaponisation effort. The scientists were organised in a very specific manner, with different sub-elements focused on different technologies of interest. Even though the physical infrastructure had been eliminated, the Iraqis chose to retain the organisational structure of the scientists. This means that Iraq has thousands of nuclear scientists - along with their knowledge and expertise - still organised in the same manner as when Iraq had a nuclear weapons programme and its infrastructure. Those scientists are today involved in legitimate tasks. These jobs aren't illegal per se, but they do allow these scientists to work in fields similar to those in which they had work where they were, in fact, carrying out a nuclear weapons programme. There is concern, then, that the
[CTRL] George Bush, Skull Bones and the New World Order (1 of 3)
-Caveat Lector- http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/whitepaper.htm George Bush, Skull Bones and the New World Order Paul Goldstein Jeffrey Steinberg George Bush, Skull Bones and the New World Order A New American View -- International Edition White Paper Introduction This special report is intended to assist the Japanese audience in more fully understanding the present policies of the United States under the administration of President George Bush. It explains the thinking behind America's military adventure in the Persian Gulf and its current attitudes toward the Middle East region. In so doing, we provide a glimpse into the most powerful organization in America--the Order of Skull Bones. This secret fraternity is based at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut, where many of the leading members of the U.S. government and the American intelligence community received their formal education. The Order, as it is referred to by its members, is a bastion of White Anglo Saxon Protestant (WASP) culture, which is at the core of the American 20th century outlook. The reader will learn that President George Herbert Walker Bush's concept of the New World Order is an old idea, one which has its origins in the philosophy and beliefs of the secret Skull Bones fraternity. Today in particular, this is the prevailing outlook of the U.S. government, many of whose most influential members, like the president himself, are part of the Skull Bones network. These men seek to recreate the American imperium of the immediate post-World War II period, an era which President Bush frequently refers to as "the American Century." The powerful men of Skull Bones genuinely believe that they have a strategic and moral "right" to control world affairs. Consequently, they take upon themselves the authority to crush any rivalrous threat to U.S. imperial leadership, whether by current allies, such as Japan, Germany or Great Britain, or by Cold War adversaries, like the Soviet Union. The members of the Order, due to their narrow WASP upbringing, view with particular suspicion the maneuverings of Zionist Israel and its affluent, influential lobby in the United States. Bush, his fellow Bonesmen and their like-thinking elitist allies in the American Establishment see themselves as New World Order warriors, an American samurai caste of sorts, whose mission is restoring American greatness. They intend to utilize the institutional networks of the U.S. government and key private agencies, such as the New York Council on Foreign Relations, to advance their purpose. The Skull Bones members believe in the idea of "constructive chaos." By keeping their true policy intentions secret, by constantly sending out mixed signals on all critical policy issues, they consciously seek to sow confusion among both their nominal "friends" and "enemies" alike. The fulcrum for the policy of constructive chaos is, at present, the Middle East situation. Although U.S. military action in the region has for the time being subsided, America's military power will remain a critical determinant in the future of that vital zone of conflict. American military power is aimed at securing undisputed control over the vast reservoir of oil -- not at necessarily fostering any permanent alignment of local states or combinations of regional interests. If President George Bush and his fellow true believers are successful, the United States will be first among equals in the New World Order. This is their goal. It is also the quest of the Bonesmen of the Order of Skull Bones -- America's warrior aristocracy. THE ORDER OF SKULL BONES Skull Bones was founded at Yale College in New Haven, Connecticut in 1832. It is the oldest and most prestigious of Yale's seven secret societies. Among the others are: Scroll Key, Book Snake, Wolf's Head, Eliahu, and Berzelius. These fraternities serve as a recruiting ground for young men destined for careers in government, law, finance and other influential sectors of American life. Skull Bones is the elite of the elite among these secret societies. Only Scroll Key can claim a near equal influence on American affairs over the past 160 years. Unlike the Greek fraternities on most other American university campuses, Skull Bones and its similar secret societies exist exclusively at Yale. They are not part of any nationwide public association. The other elite Ivy League colleges, Harvard and Princeton have similar exclusive secret societies. Yet, even among these few universities, the secret societies of Yale -- led by Skull Bones -- are unchallenged in their influence on American political affairs. According to some accounts, the Skull Bones secret society at Yale has an underground affiliation with two other societies which were simultaneously founded at two other locations. The number "322" that appears under the skull and crossbones on the Order's emblem is believed to indicate the year of its founding -- 1832 -- and
[CTRL] George Bush, Skull Bones and the New World Order (2 of 3)
-Caveat Lector- http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/whitepaper.htm HENRY STIMSON: MASTER BONESMAN According to a January 1991 article by the Washington syndicated columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak, when President George Bush was making his final decision to use military force to crush Saddam Hussein and decimate Iraq, he spent most of the Christmas holidays closeted at Camp David reading a newly published biography of one of his true heroes, fellow Skull Bones initiate Henry Stimson. While most White House advisers thought that the gulf crisis would be ultimately resolved through diplomacy, unbeknownst to them, President Bush had already decided on the use of devastating military force -- regardless of what measures the world community or the Iraqi leaders took to avert war. Intimate Bush advisers described the president as being in a "mesmerized" state of mind as he walked around the presidential retreat in the Maryland mountains with his Stimson biography, "The Colonel: The Life and Wars of Henry Stimson," under his arm at all times. Indeed, for most contemporary Bonesmen, Henry Lewis Stimson, the quintessential WASP warrior, was the very personification of the Order's full ascent to power during the period of World War II. A member of the Order's class of 1888, Stimson served seven U.S. presidents: Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft (a fellow Bonesman), Woodrow Wilson, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Harry S Truman. As the Secretary of War under FDR and Truman, Stimson oversaw the Manhattan Project, which developed the atomic bomb. Stimson personally decided on the use of that devastating weapon against the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Years earlier, as the chairman of the American delegation at the London Naval Conference and as Secretary of State under President Hoover (1929-1933), Stimson had played a pivotal role in restricting the size of the Japanese Imperial Navy. He would be an architect of the FDR 's administration's economic provocations against Japan which ultimately helped induce Japan into the attack at Pearl Harbor, thus bringing the United States formally into World War II. And Stimson was also ultimately responsible for the FDR administration's decision to intern the Nisei (Japanese-Americans) after Pearl Harbor. Yet, it was also Stimson who ordered American bombers to refrain from attacking the old Japanese imperial capital of Kyoto, a city rich in religious and historical tradition and artifacts. And, according to at least one of Stimson's biographers, it was also "the Colonel" who decided at the close of the war that the Japanese emperor should not be deposed. His sensitivity to Japanese culture and the importance of allowing Japan to retain honor even in defeat is widely to his close adviser, Joseph Grew, a longtime U.S. ambassador to Japan and an accomplished historian. Whether this report of Stimson's involvement in the decision to maintain the emperor is accurate or whether it underplays the role of Gen. Douglas MacArthur, the fact remains certain that Stimson was the key policymaker overseeing the postwar occupations of both Japan and Germany. To fully understand President George Bush's attitudes and policies toward Japan, one must first appreciate the overarching influence that Stimson had on the current occupant of the White House. According to his British biographer Geofrey Hodgson, Stimson's membership in Skull Bones was "the most important educational experience in his life." Unlike most of his fellow Bonesmen, Stimson earned his membership solely on the basis of his achievements at Yale -- not through family money. His parents were not wealthy, although his forefathers did come to America as early Puritan colonists. But Stimson made up for his lack of financial credentials by his fierce competitive spirit. As he himself put it, the "idea of a struggle for prizes, so to speak, has always been one of the fundamental elements of my mind, and I can hardly conceive of what my feelings would be if I ever was put in a position or situation in life where there are no prizes to struggle for." Although Stimson did not come from classic blueblood background, he married into wealth and power. His wife, Mabel White, came from a prominent Establishment family with longstanding ties to the Order. Thus, upon graduation from law school, Stimson became a partner in the law firm of Eliahu Root, President Theodore Roosevelt's Secretary of War. Although Stimson and Roosevelt would have a falling out in later years, early on Roosevelt and Root provided "the Colonel" with the critical sponsorship and training required to succeed in the world of Establishment politics. According to Stimson's biographers, Roosevelt would frequently taunt the young Bonesman about the fact that he, unlike the president, had never been in the military or fought in any wars. (Roosevelt had resigned as Under Secretary of the Navy to go off and
[CTRL] George Bush, Skull Bones and the New World Order (3 of 3)
-Caveat Lector- http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/whitepaper.htm THE NEW WORLD ORDER Between 1983-1986, the British-born conspiracy theorist Antony Sutton wrote a series of pamphlets about the Order of Skull Bones. According to informed sources, Sutton was one of several historians who were provided with a large file of the Order's internal documents, including minutes of some meetings, descriptions of rituals, and what would appear to be a rather complete list of its members from its founding through to the early 1980s. The short pamphlets were compiled into one volume and published as a book in 1986. For someone closely following the just-concluded Persian Gulf War and attempting to gain some insight into George Bush's performance during that largely orchestrated affair, one recurring theme in the Sutton volume stands out like a sore thumb: the New World Order. According to the Skull Bones documents used by Sutton in his somewhat flawed profile of the Order, the creation of a New World Order is a primary goal of the Bonesmen and has been for decades. For the initiates into the Order, the term New World Order has a very specific meaning. It is a world dominated by American military power and American control over all strategic raw materials. Just as the Greek city-state of Sparta provided the Skull Bones with the image of a WASP warrior caste, the Persian Empire, with its system of coalitions of satrap armies, provides the model for the Bonesmen's New World Order. The image of Secretary of State James A. Baker III traveling from foreign capital to foreign capital demanding military legions or chests of gold to finance the war for a New World Order is an image straight out of the chronicles of the Persian Empire. According to the recent biography of Henry Stimson, the man who inspired President Bush was firmly convinced that it was essential for America to go to war once every generation or so. It was, for Stimson, a spiritually cleansing process which enables the nation to rally behind a cause and overcome its weaknesses and shortcomings in one grand burst of military fervor. The romantic mystique of the purgative powers of combat is key to understanding the political philosophy of Skull Bones. Although America's Vietnam debacle remains a bitter memory of the Bonesmen's failure in war, the recent Persian Gulf conflict, with its massive overkill and the use of highly advanced weapons and technologies, is now the new glorious symbol of the WASP warrior caste's reincarnation. When President Bush vowed that the Gulf War would not be another Vietnam, he was speaking first and foremost to his fellow Bonesmen -- not to the American people. If such thinking smacks of dangerous fantasy on the part of a major world power in the modern era, it is indeed. On a more practical political level, the Gulf War was a gambit to save the Bush presidency from a mounting pile of domestic financial woes, not the least of which was the savings and loan (SL) crisis and a pending series of failures of major commercial banks. In the months preceding the Gulf showdown, the president's own son, Neil Bush, came under intense media scrutiny for his role in the failure of a large SL in Colorado. Neil's photograph, testifying under oath before a congressional committee probing fraud among top S L managers, became a familiar front-page feature in every major newspaper in America, threatening dangerous popular disillusion with the Yale Bonesman in the White House. With a U.S. federal government deficit projected at nearly a half a trillion dollars for Fiscal Year 1991, in large part because of the SL crisis and a shrinking business tax base, the Democratic Party majority in the U.S. Congress was pressing for deep cutbacks in defense spending now that the Cold War had ended. On the international stage, the reunification of Germany, clearly the most dramatic event of 1990, posed new challenges to the Bush team. Germany was about to emerge as the dominant power in continental Europe by virtue of its advanced industrial infrastructure and its long tradition of independent political dealings with Moscow. Just months before the outbreak of the Gulf crisis, Germany's Chancellor Helmut Kohl had met with Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev and signed a long term economic assistance pact. As a result, Gorbachev dropped all remaining objections to the immediate reunification of Germany. At that point, the Bush administration changed its tactics. Previously, in sharp contrast to the Thatcher government in Great Britain, it had been nominally in favor of German reunification. But at the Houston economic summit of the Group of Seven Industrialized Countries in the summer of 1990, the United States blocked (with Britain) Germany's plan of unconditional economic aid to the Soviet Union. President Bush took the position that the Soviet Union must submit to International Monetary Fund requisites as a precondition for any substantive
Re: [CTRL] Saudis Pay out money
Title: Re: [CTRL] Saudis Pay out money -Caveat Lector- Scroll back. Read my old posts. I have never defended Sharon. I think the phrase I have used for him most often is dangerous hateful pig, but I can check if you really need a count. Because I think Israel has a right to exist, you somehow think that I agree with everything its govt. does. Maybe you tuned out what I have actually written here on this list, because of my stance, and just filled in your own stereotypes as to what every Jew believes - I dont know. It would be like thinking that because I love America I am pro- Bush, or that because I hate bush I hate the USA. Its simplistic moronic thinking. I ask you to find one place where I have defended Sharon, or his murderous policies. What I have done is refuse to accept statements as facts, just because they are bleated in unison by so many of you. I refuse to pretend that Jordan is not as much the Palestinian state as Israel is (with an ethnic minority leader put in charge by the British in both cases). I refuse to say that strapping explosives to oneself and blowing up kids on a school bus or in a disco is the same as soldiers shooting at armed men who are shooting at them. I refuse to accept anti-Semitism disguised as politics. I have argued for balanced and fair opinions on this issue from my first day on this list. I am not a Zionist (otherwise I would live in Israel). I also do not think Zionism and racism are the same thing. It is the same desire for a homeland that the Palestinians profess now. Personally I think nationalism of any sort is idiotic, but that is the world we actually live in, here and now. I think religion is even stupider than that. If you think it is the same to support Sharon, as it is to think its evil for Saudis to pay families of suicide bombers, your have slid to such and extreme position you arent even on the playing field anymore. on 9/19/02 8:20 PM, William Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/02 7:14:57 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The perpetrators here are on both sides. IF you believe that why do you insist on defending Sharon and his ilk and demonizing the Palestinians? You're about as fair and balanced as Fox News...funny too, you both allow Zionist Israel to dictate your very thoughts. Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/www.ctrl.org/A" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlArchives" of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A" To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- --- -- -- -- -- They that can give up essential liberty for a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety, Ben Franklin NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- Your if comment is strictly speculation based on what you believe would happen. Your name calling is very much like the primitive response of the pro-Palestinian mob at Concordia. And yes, civilized people do back off when confronted with people who seem primitive and out of control, individually at least for a while. Wow! The sanctimonious hyprocrisy is breathtaking. See below for a real example of interferring with freedom of speech: Friday, September 20, 2002 Tishrei 14, 5763 Israel Time: 04:36 (GMT+3) IDF kills 9-year-old in El Bireh http://www.haaretzdaily.com/ By Arnon Reguler Nine-year-old Abdel Salam Sumerin was killed yesterday when Israel Defense Forces troops used live fire to disperse a crowd of school children challenging the army's attempt to impose a curfew on the El Amari refugee camp, in El Bireh. In a separate, similar incident, a Palestinian girl was wounded in Kafr Usserin near Nablus after residents who have been under curfew for nearly two months confronted soldiers. The center of Nablus has been under absolute curfew for the last eleven days. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] FW: For all you S*** fans
-Caveat Lector- --- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not give it a rest...and take a dep breath? Easy to say when you're not on the receiving end, Bill. But I'll take your suggestion as a verbal hug, and thanks for the support. My next beer's for you. Tenorlove __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Saudis Pay out money
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/02 8:49:35 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I refuse to say that strapping explosives to oneself and blowing up kids on a school bus or in a disco is the same as soldiers shooting at armed men who are shooting at them What about murdering little boys for throwing STONES at TANKS? I refuse to accept anti-Semitism disguised as politics Meaning what exactly? If you think it is the same to support Sharon, as it is to think itâs evil for Saudis to pay families of suicide bombers, your have slid to such and extreme position you arenât even on the playing field anymore. I think raising funds for the families of victims is acceptable...these people are oppressed and impoverished. I think Sharon is a war-criminal, a very evil and dangerous man and by far the greatest menace and threat to peace in the Middle East. If you want to call names that's your prerogative, I'd prefer a civil discourse. Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] FW: For all you S*** fans
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/02 8:55:26 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Easy to say when you're not on the receiving end, Bill. But I'll take your suggestion as a verbal hug, and thanks for the support. My next beer's for you. I've been on the receiving end of far worse...but that's alright. Indeed, have a beer for me... Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Did I miss something?
-Caveat Lector- Is this becoming the William Shannon website? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Saudis Pay out money
Title: Re: [CTRL] Saudis Pay out money -Caveat Lector- But the money isnt going to victims. It is going specifically to the families of people who kill innocent civilians, for no other reason than they killed themselves while murdering others. Thats not what victim means to me. If the Saudis want to help let them build an infrastructure for Palestinian society. Let them do something with the Palestinians, other than hiring them as menial labor in their little feudal kingdom. on 9/19/02 9:59 PM, William Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think raising funds for the families of victims is acceptable...these people are oppressed and impoverished -- All the thoughts of a turtle are turtle Emerson, Journals, 1855 NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of speech (for Nazis?)
-Caveat Lector- What kind of parents allow their children to be front lines against Israeli troops? People who want to use the decency of their opponents against their opponents. If they believed that all of their children would be shot down, they wouldn't put their children in front of themselves. They know that the Israelis are not total barbarians. Did any of the suicide terrorists note whether many Israeli children would be killed by their explosions? No. When will you castigate the Palestinian community for that? I cry for every child killed as a result of their community's actions. The Palestinian children's trust in their parents and leadership is the reason for their death. I haven't done a search to see the other side of the story because I feel up to my eyeballs by Palestinian propaganda. -Caveat Lector- Your if comment is strictly speculation based on what you believe would happen. Your name calling is very much like the primitive response of the pro-Palestinian mob at Concordia. And yes, civilized people do back off when confronted with people who seem primitive and out of control, individually at least for a while. Wow! The sanctimonious hyprocrisy is breathtaking. See below for a real example of interferring with freedom of speech: Friday, September 20, 2002 Tishrei 14, 5763 Israel Time: 04:36 (GMT+3) IDF kills 9-year-old in El Bireh http://www.haaretzdaily.com/ By Arnon Reguler Nine-year-old Abdel Salam Sumerin was killed yesterday when Israel Defense Forces troops used live fire to disperse a crowd of school children challenging the army's attempt to impose a curfew on the El Amari refugee camp, in El Bireh. In a separate, similar incident, a Palestinian girl was wounded in Kafr Usserin near Nablus after residents who have been under curfew for nearly two months confronted soldiers. The center of Nablus has been under absolute curfew for the last eleven days. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
