Re: [CTRL] JESUS WAS JEWISH ?

[piper]

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What matters more to you
1) if he was real or not
2) the mind set he taught

Our beliefs and religions seem to be tied
into what was happening at the time.
Human Sacrifice, the Circus, and temple
prostitute, the keepers of lost souls,
reincarnation, fertility mother.

Then we come to the current idea
that "The Empire is Dead", one world
religion (dictatorship), no indivijualism,
** do not teach History because people
are like sheep that will follow some
weird one, or start old wars.
So do not teach history

What happens?
I makes the masses easier to handle!
Since history repeats itself, and they do
not know what will happen, those that want
to can predict which way things will go.

Personally I was brought up by the ideas of the
book of the Ecclesiastes (the Preacher)

If you idolize something, or are vain about anything
including you belief - I wonder about it.

I do agree that their education seems to be short in
a lot of ways of culture.
(like my grammar?)


Nurev Ind Research wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> piper wrote:
> >
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > And you need to study history and Jewish beliefs
>
> So do you. This stuff is drivel.
>
> Joshua2
>
> >
> > Jesus was adopted by Joseph.  Joseph was a relitive of
> > King David.
> > Jews have the (L)ord and (l)ords.
> > The potential that Joseph would have to take the thrown
> > if the ones in front of him died.
> > So, Joseph was a (l)ord.
> > and Jesus was the son of the (l)ord.
> > the Uncrowned King.
> >
> > Should I go on?  Need I go on except to say that
> > Jesus did not believe in Human Sacrifice?
> > The Pied Piper
> >
> > Bill Kingsbury wrote:
> >
> > >  -Caveat Lector-
> > >
> > >  http://www.best.com/~dolphin/yeshua.html
> > >
> > >   IT'S TIME FOR ISRAELIS TO LEARN JESUS WAS JEWISH
> > >
> > >[Excerpts from HA'ARETZ newspaper, Thursday, 23 December 1999]
> > >  ---



--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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Re: [CTRL] Clinton Pushes Net Drug Rules

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"Health Advice" to I bet.
Newsweek or Time
Georges (Kennedy's old rag) gone and 3 others
under the same person.,
Check out Time magazine
Aliens Take Over The Tabloids!
Exclusive! New Exec Grabs No. 3; Jonbenet In Danger!
BY PAUL GRAY - nov 15, 1999
". The deal would also give American Media
ownership of other Globe titles, including the Sun
and the National Examiner, putting nearly all of
America's tabloid gossip under one corporate umbrella. "
"David Pecker, the former chief of Hachette
Filipacchi (Elle, George) who became president
and CEO of American Media in May,"
>my question: wasn't "George" Kennedy's
old magazine before he died?<
http://www.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/articles/0,3266,33846,00.html


Shane A. Saylor, Eccentric Bard wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Clinton Pushes Net Drug Rules
> Plan Requires Web Sites to Get Federal Approval
>
> By Laura Meckler
> The Associated Press
> W A S H I N G T O N, Dec. 27 —Hoping to stem illegal sales of prescription
> drugs over the Internet, President Clinton is proposing new laws that would
> require Web sites to get federal approval and that would stiffen fines for
> violators.
>  Clinton also wants $10 million for the Food and Drug Administration to
> strengthen enforcement, officials said today.
>  “Many of the traditional safeguards that have been in place for many
> years are breaking down,” FDA Commissioner Jane Henney said. “We have to
> have a way to keep some semblance of a safety net in place.”
>  New laws and new money would have to be approved by Congress.
>  Traditionally, states have regulated pharmacies. But the Internet poses
> new, interstate challenges, in which a Web site operator may be in one
> state, the pharmacist in another and a patient in a third, Henney noted.
>  In many cases, legitimate online pharmacies make it easy and convenient
> for consumers to get the drugs they need delivered to their doors,
> particularly for people in rural areas and the homebound.
> Drugs Sent Without Prescription
> But there have been several cases in which Web sites sent drugs out without
> a valid prescription or dispensed drugs that were not legally available in
> the United States.
>  The FDA recently uncovered illegal at-home AIDS tests sold via the
> Internet that didn’t work, meaning some people may have thought they were
> healthy when they had the deadly HIV virus.
>  The FDA also has pointed to a 53-year-old Chicago man who died after
> taking the impotence pill Viagra he ordered via the Internet. He never saw a
> doctor who could have advised him that he had heart disease risks that make
> taking Viagra dangerous.
>  “Traditionally, there have been several safeguards to protect consumers
> against unsafe use of drugs,” the White House said in a draft of a fact
> sheet to be released Tuesday. “The Internet makes it easy to bypass these
> safeguards. Unethical doctors can illegally prescribe pills online to
> consumers they have never met in states where they are not authorized to
> work.”
>  The administration has said repeatedly it is not interested in
> regulating the Internet, hoping to avoid stifling the growing medium. But
> officials said they must protect consumers, who may not know whether an
> online drugstore is legitimate or whether its pharmacists have been properly
> trained.
>
> FDA Launches Web Page
> Last week, the FDA opened a consumer-advice Web page to help patients ensure
> they’re buying from legitimate stores instead of dangerous quacks.
>  But the agency has been frustrated in its crackdown effort. Under
> current federal law, it is only a misdemeanor to improperly dispense drugs.
>  Under Clinton’s proposal:
>  Online pharmacies would be required to get FDA certification that they are
> legally operating or face sanctions.
>  Violators would face a $500,000 fine for each time they sold a prescription
> drug to someone without a valid prescription.
>  The FDA would get new power to subpoena the records of online sites while
> investigating these operators.
>  The FDA would get $10 million in the 2001 budget to hire investigators and
> upgrade computer equipment.
>  It is unclear how these rules, even if approved, would affect Web sites
> operating out of other countries.
>
> Congressional Response Unclear
> The White House also plans a public education campaign, using $250,000 of
> FDA money budgeted this year for a variety of other programs. It will
> include ads on health Web sites and public service announcements for
> television.
>  It may be tough getting Congress to give new money or power to the FDA,
> which did not get most of its budget requests granted this year. But Henney
> is optimistic. “We think Congress is interested in the Internet overall,”
> she said.
>  With the exception of child pornography, the Internet has been largely
> unregulated by government.
>  But other regulations will probably come as government tries

Re: [CTRL] Bill Z. Bubb

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

Which Piper are you referring to?  This Pied Piper takes exception to
someone thinking that Clinton is typical of the American Person.
It would have been nice if he had learned something at Yale
but I wonder if anyone could learn with a mindset like he
seems to have.  As far as Hilary, her references from working
on the Watergate case against Nixon show a low level of
competence.  They are shells (targets) as well as the Bush
family so who are they shelling for.

Why are they there?
The mortarandm on W.W.II is going out and they are
suppose to keep that information from going out as
well as supporting the original ideas from the Hitler era.
Why do I not say from Hitler?  Because he received a large
amount of financial support from people like Bush, Bush lost
his companies in Germany over that support.  Yet, Bush is
just a go-for himself - So, what / who is the idea of Hitler?

Monopoly, complete control.

Diversity is life and by that those ideas prove that they are
homicidal maniacs with suicidal tendencies.

the previous leader of the Branch Dividians ran for President
Had a shoot out with Karish and Karish took over
Was Karish running a pedophile operation for people like
Bush - convinent, both in Texas, maybe drugs were in it to.
So, it seems as if the "powers that be" might go after the FBI
and the DEA to shut them up.

this mentally fragile life form called human.
some have and idea of "Survival of the Fittest"
or "If you can do it, then it is alright to do"
Basic survival is to survive, eat, and reproduce.
If they are right about it being OK to eradicate humans
and oil is produced by bacteria,

>http://www.the-times.co.uk/cgi-bin/BackIssue?1946312
* An extraordinary theory about the origins of
life is causing controversy, says Nigel Hawkes 
 ** November 25 1998 "MIND AND MATTER"
-- Nigel Hawkes ** 
 ** Is this how life really began? ** 
This article refers to a Dr. Thomas Gold who 
"His track record is impressive. Born in Vienna,
he fled Hitler in the 1930s, took his degree at Trinity
College, Cambridge, and helped to develop radar
for the Admiralty between 1942 and 1946. His
university career has taken him to Cambridge,
Harvard and Cornell, and through research in
zoology, physics, astronomy, radio-physics, space
research and cosmology. He is, says Bondi, one
of the outstanding scientists of our time."
This man has made a hypothesis that - oil is
biogenic.  Be this as it may proof that bacteria
live deep below the surface of the Earth.  These
bacteria use chemical energy and have no need
of photosynthesis.
<

snails, earthworms and some bacteria are some
of the life forms on the planet
that is male and female in one form.  Organophosphates
mess up reproduction.  Kill all the bacteria that keep us
alive and which bacteria would take over?
During the dark ages there were plagues
so even without the bacteria in oil, we have
the potential of a fight on our hands.
Which bacteria, survival index controls us?  YOU?
http://thepiedPiper.tripod.com/es_major.htm
and
http://thepiedPiper.tripod.com/esbactra.htm

animal fats seem to be required for our survival.
Fat soluble vitamins.
Give some beef fat to an animal that has fleas and
see if the fleas die.
Let them eat cake!?  Let them have fat.
Me thinks that phase was taken out of context
deliberately.
http://thepiedPiper.tripod.com/timeline.htm
1793 France "The king must die," said the lawyer
Maximilien Robespierre, "so that the state may live." (1)
1794 July France The last of the ones that advocated
the ruling house should be guillotined - were guillotined
themselves. The last one to go was Robespierre. (1)

If we stay with this idea of "If you can do it then it is
alright to do" then it is an open door to any bacteria or
anything that wants Earth to take it.
-Also, can anyone that is decent touch us.
We are children that seem to be created from a bacteria
that has a virus (a self destruct mechanism) in it.
Quarantine the planet.
and
"Beam me up Scotty, No signs of intelligent life on this
planet"
Maybe once the other bacteria evolve, You know
once the petrochemicals or whoever takes over.
Yet, has anyone seen pictures of what the other planets look
like???
Still it looks like we will be joining the dinosaurs soon.
Can't hide underground or in space when the very
bacteria that keep you alive might be empathic (telepathic)
prefer trees and want you dead.
Plants can live without us, we can not live without
plants and the bacteria that they have.
If mammals are a failed effort, where would
plants turn to for pollinators?  Ants?
Try hiding from them.
Happy New Year to
the World Trade Organization and
the World Bank
Monopolies that are suicidal.
From,
The Pied Piper

PS Why has China been able to have that population?
Does anyone know that they use or have used
"Midnight Soil" and stayed in touch with the land.
Fertile thought isn&#x

Re: [CTRL] JESUS WAS JEWISH ?

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

And you need to study history and Jewish beliefs

Jesus was adopted by Joseph.  Joseph was a relitive of
King David.
Jews have the (L)ord and (l)ords.
The potential that Joseph would have to take the thrown
if the ones in front of him died.
So, Joseph was a (l)ord.
and Jesus was the son of the (l)ord.
the Uncrowned King.

Should I go on?  Need I go on except to say that
Jesus did not believe in Human Sacrifice?
The Pied Piper



Bill Kingsbury wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>  http://www.best.com/~dolphin/yeshua.html
>
>   IT'S TIME FOR ISRAELIS TO LEARN JESUS WAS JEWISH
>
>[Excerpts from HA'ARETZ newspaper, Thursday, 23 December 1999]
>  ---
>
>  Israeli pupils hear about Jesus only once during 12 years of
>  schooling, so they know nothing about Christianity, and don't have
>  a key to understanding the history and culture of the western
>  world. The education system prefers ignorance to being suspected of
>  missionary activity.
>
>  Ninth-graders at a high school in Bat Yam were asked last Friday, a
>  week before Christmas, what they knew about Jesus. According to the
>  high school history teacher who dared ask the question, most knew
>  nothing - not even the most basic details: when he was born, where
>  he lived and preached, when he died and how.
>
>  They did not know that he was a believing Jew, who was born,
>  according to historians in the year 4 BCE (and not in the year 0),
>  in Bethlehem, and that his mother's name was Miriam, that is, the
>  Virgin Mary.
>
>  Some thought that Mary Magdalene, the prostitute, was the mother of
>  Jesus. They did not know of the decision by the Sanhedrin to turn
>  him in on the grounds that he pretended to be "the king of the
>  Jews," or of his trial before the Roman governor, Pilate. As for
>  the Sermon on the Mount, the values he preached, the dispute
>  between him and the Pharisees and the Sadducees over the
>  interpretation of the law and the concept of the Messiah, and the
>  connection between Jesus and the Essene sect - the students knew
>  nothing.
>
>  History lecturers believe that this ignorance is not a negligible
>  matter. Israeli students who do not know anything at all about the
>  figure of Jesus are unable to understand the faith of the
>  approximately two billion Christians in the world and they have no
>  key to the understanding of the history, music, painting, sculpture
>  and architecture of the western world. Moreover, they lack basic
>  knowledge of the history of Judaism and society in the land of
>  Israel 2000 years ago.
>
>  This ignorance comes as no surprise. According to the official
>  curriculum, students in the government education system hear about
>  Jesus at best only once during 12 years of schooling - and only in
>  passing, at the beginning of their sixth grade history course, in a
>  brief chapter on "Jesus and the First Christians" in the history
>  text "During the Days of Greece and Rome."
>
>  According to Michael Yaron, the supervisor of history instruction
>  at the Education Ministry, Jesus is not studied again in high
>  school, because in high school the curriculum concentrates mainly
>  on the 19th and 20th centuries, and not everyone is even required
>  to study the chapter in the sixth grade, as elementary schools have
>  the autonomy to pick and choose in the curriculum.
>
>  In the government-religious system, students learn even less: in
>  the seventh grade textbook "From generation to generation" there is
>  a brief and laconic treatment of Jesus in the chapter "Sects in
>  Judaism." Sarah Weider, the supervisor of history instruction in
>  the government-religious educational system, notes that religious
>  teachers teach about Jesus with great reservations - for example,
>  they do not mention his name explicitly. The reason: "Because it is
>  impossible to ignore what Christianity did to the Jews, and
>  attribute to the man what was done in his footsteps, even if he was
>  not to blame."
>
>  According to history teachers, even on class outings from
>  government schools to Jerusalem and the Galilee, Christian holy
>  sites are totally ignored. Weider says about religious school
>  trips, "They don't go into Catholic churches, because there is a
>  halacha that prohibits this, but they do look at them from the
>  outside."
>
>  Now and then, some teachers, like the history teacher in Bat Yam,
>  find it important to deviate from the regular program of studies
>  and teach their students something about the traditions and beliefs
>  of others. But they, accordin

[CTRL] Martial Law enforced by Prisoners?

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

FEMA
enforced by
local law enforcement, national guard, marine swat units
but
Will look like the UN, so some can say that we can not
wipe our own noses, or change our own dipers / nappies
but
Will actually be NATO having to come in house
but
who will the people in the uniforms be?  Since it is
NATO I assume that government has a contingency
plan with other nationalities / nations.  has promised what?
but
once the locals are displaced who will take over?
If you were the likes of Clinton and Bush where would
you  hide a standing army???
- make sure they get preferences
- making sure that they think that the local enforcement
is just as bad as they are.  They are just Bubba's
(average guys that got caught)
Why rehibiliate, they are as normal as the President
and the Bush family.
Texas backs Bush Jr.?
Which people are they taking the statisics from
the prison population>?

Food for thought from the Pied Piper
Oh yes, Happy New Years.


--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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Re: [CTRL] Drudge/Excite: Tripp "Hung Out to Dry" (fwd)

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 -Caveat Lector-

What still bugs me about the whole thing is that
Clinton was born in 1946 so he was 50+ years old.
Lewinsky was born in ? but was certainly not more that
20 when it happened.

Clinton is not "Bubba" he went to Yale
Bush Sr. was born in 1924
documentation that he is a pedifile.
when was Bush Jr. was born in 1946

Age is physical, chronological, mental, and emotional
so almost anyone qualifies as a child to a Sadist,
for sadist control.  His example as a role model
leaves a lot to be desired!

MICHAEL SPITZER wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> [This x-post begins with some relevant questions by a member of
> another list.  --MS]
>
> --begin forward--
>
> There's a legal finesse-point or two that I don't pretend to
> understand here.
>
> Tripp maintains she didn't know that what she was doing was not
> protected (Maryland's law, from what I've read, immunizes those
> who don't comprehend the illegality of recording).  Today's
> testimony clarifies this not at all.  If she were counseled that
> the "grant of immunity... would make it difficult for any state
> prosecutor to use her recorded conversations as evidence in a
> criminal proceeding", then it would sensibly seem to be a
> get-out-of-jail-free card for Tripp.  Bennett testified, "[We
> made] the task (of state prosecution) insurmountable." Certainly
> this testimony would argue *against* the hysteric "Hung Out To
> Dry!" headline on Drudge.  Unless I'm missing something.
>
> Secondly, Tripp's recording always (as far as I know) crossed
> State lines and would therefore seem to be a Federal issue, over
> which Starr's office's immunity grant would seem to be
> unequivocal.
>
> Could somebody please explain why this isn't a slam-dunk for
> Tripp?
>
> --Scott J.
>
> From:
>
> http://news.excite.com/news/r/991213/14/clinton-scandal-tripp
>
> Starr staffers say Tripp not guaranteed protection
> Updated 2:20 PM ET December 13, 1999
> By David Morgan
>
> ELLICOTT CITY, Md. (Reuters) - Linda Tripp, whose secretly
> recorded phone conversations with Monica Lewinsky led to
> President Clinton's impeachment, was never guaranteed protection
> against state charges she violated Maryland's wiretap laws, an
> independent counsel's office lawyer said Monday.
>
> Investigators from the office of former independent counsel
> Kenneth Starr instead offered the former White House secretary a
> grant of immunity that they believed would make it difficult for
> any state prosecutor to use her recorded conversations as
> evidence in a criminal proceeding.
>
> "We told her the state of Maryland was a separate sovereign (from
> the federal government) and that they may ultimately be able to
> return an indictment against her," Stephen Binhak, a federal
> prosecutor attached to Starr's office, testified at the start of
> a hearing in Howard County Circuit Court that will determine
> whether Tripp should be tried on two criminal counts of violating
> the Maryland wiretap statute.
>
> Jackie Bennett, the Starr deputy who signed Tripp's immunity
> letter, said, "What we could do, and intended to so, and did do,
> was to make the task (of state prosecution) insurmountable."
>
> Tripp secretly taped more than 20 conversations in which Lewinsky
> discussed her illicit affair with Clinton. Some were taped from
> Tripp's Maryland home, violating the state law that makes it a
> crime to record telephone conversations unless all parties
> consent to it.
>
> The best form of protection Tripp could hope for, Binhak said,
> was a grant of federal immunity "that would make it
> extraordinarily difficult, if not impossible for the state of
> Maryland to use those tapes in the prosecution of a criminal
> case."
>
> Binhak, one of four former Starr staffers to take the stand
> Monday, testified that "Mrs. Tripp was not grasping the
> technicalities" of her legal situation when she first met at her
> home with four members of Starr's staff around midnight on Jan.
> 12, 1998.
>
> But now, nearly two years later, that same distinction could be
> crucial for the Columbia, Maryland, woman who faces up to five
> years in prison and $10,000 in fines on each count if convicted.
>
> Howard County Circuit Judge Diane Leasure was expected to rule in
> open court Tuesday morning as to whether Tripp's immunity began
> on Jan. 16, when Starr's office gave her a letter of immunity and
> subpoenaed her tape-recordings of conversations with Lewinsky, or
> on Feb. 19, when it was officially ordered by a federal judge in
> Washington.
>
> Tripp's attorneys, who want the case dismissed, claim her
> immunity protection began on the earlier date. If Leasure agrees,
> prosecutors will lose a crucial piece of evidence, namely a taped
> conversation with Lewinsky from Dec. 22, 1997.
>
> Tripp is charged specifically with making the tape and sharing
> its contents with a reporter from Newsweek magazine.
>
> On Monday, Tripp was absent from court but submitted a sworn
> affidavit maintaining that she would 

[CTRL] Essay Index for Piper

[piper]

Will link these soon
Out of space on hard drive
Home Work piled up
New Essays in the works
and the biggest rub (if you are intrested)
not enough space on my hard drive
to re-instal my browsers spell checker.
My CD burner works though
and I am backed up.

Happy New Year


http://thePiedPiper.tripod.com/es_dex.htm
--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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Title: Essay Index for Piper












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*01 es_attract.htm
Attraction: Why? and How?
Fragrances and Pesticides (France as example)
20June1999
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8Kb*

*02 es_beliefs.htm
Education, Religion and Propaganda
>From medival to now
06Dec1998
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37kb*

*03 es_dex.htm
Essay Index
An Index of my essays
to do
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5kb*

*04 es_EducationReligionandPropoganda.htm
Education, Religion and Propoganda *
a long essay-
06Dec1998
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*05 es_e-mail.htm
Subject: A Paradox of our Time in History -- George Carlin
has technology helped "some" people
recieved on Sept1999
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*06 es_evolution.htm
Evolution: or De-Evolution?
goes with es_major.htm - organophosphates and what happens
26 June 1999
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*07 es_futur2.htm
"The Future - Could Be Now"
fats and oils to replication
23Jan99
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*08 ex_hist.htm
History: Black, White - North, South - Scotland, England
Cutting off their bloody noses to spite their bloody faces
? (under construction)
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2kb*

*09 es_human.htm
Human: Or Just Another Animal?
? (under construction)
20June1999
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4kb *

*10 es_intro2.htm
Education: A House of Mirrors
(my first page)
11Oct1998
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36kb *

*11 es_lowgear.htm
Human: Or Just Another Animal?
intergalactic stock market, matter reprocation - survival of the fitist?
4 June 1999 idea started Jan 1999
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*12 es_major.htm
Majority Rules: When ETs are the Majority
Eratication of the human race? Dinosaurs here we come.
06Oct1999
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11kb*

*13 es_peers.htm
Peer Groups, Cliques, or Outright Gangs
What is your defination?
21Nov98
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4kb*

*14 es_quote.htm
Quotes
Intresting Quotes
Aug 1999
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*15 es_sex_h.htm
Homosexuals: Who or What is Really Hiding in the Closet?
(The Military as an Example)
1997
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7kb *

*16 es_toxic.htm
Accumilative Pollution World Wide: Pollution -and-- Misc. Chemicals
bacteria, acidopholus, defication is fertilizer!
(under construction)
20June1999
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8kb *

*17 esbactra.htm
Bacteria: Acidophilus.
The citations for a proposal on how to decrease Cattle emissions.
20May99
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36kb*

*18 esedprop.htm
Education, Religion and Propaganda
(copy to get rid of)*
06Dec1998
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*19 esfuture.htm
The Future could be Now
Oils, Fats, w/ a letter about Clinton.
23 Jan 99
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*20 esmirror.htm
Education: A House of Mirrors
My first page
11Oct1998
Last updated 24 May 99 - the colors are off on this page
36kb *

*21 essexars.htm
Sex: Art or a Sport?
short excert from
06Dec1998
updated 27 Dec 1999
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Re: [CTRL] Mad Cow-Cruezfelt Link

[piper]

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Were these mice fed
Canola, aspartame, msg, refined sugar, and or certain types
of soy products???
Check out for what can happen
*http://thePiedPiper.tripod.com/esbactra.htm
Bacteria: Acidophilus.


AN ALTERNATIVE THEORY ON THE CAUSE OF B.S.E.
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/2836/index.html

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> As if we didn't already know it, but here it is anyway. . .
>
> Mad Cow, Brain Disease Said Linked
>
> .c The Associated Press
>
>  BY PAUL RECER
>
> WASHINGTON (AP) - A laboratory experiment gives powerful new evidence that an
> infectious protein that causes mad cow disease also causes a new type of
> fatal human brain disease that has killed 51 people in Europe.
>
> The study, appearing Tuesday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of
> Sciences, makes clear that people in Britain who developed a new type of
> Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease could have gotten it from eating meat from cattle
> infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy, the so-called mad cow
> disease. The brain disease has not been found in America.
>
> Experts said the study also suggests the infectious protein, called prion,
> that causes the diseases can move more easily between species more easily
> than once believed.
>
> ``These findings argue unequivocally that BSE and the new variant CJD are the
> same strain of prion,'' said Dr. Stephen DeArmond, a researcher at the
> University of California, San Francisco, and a senior author of the study.
>
> An outbreak of BSE occurred in British cattle early this decade. Later, some
> people in Britain developed a new, more deadly type of the Creutzfeldt-Jakob
> disease. In 1996, experts suggested mad cow disease possibly could be linked
> to the brain-wasting human disease.
>
> The European Union banned import of British beef for three years until last
> August. France still denies import of the meat. Officials in Britain banned
> sale of bone-in domestic beef in 1997 and lifted the sanction last Thursday.
>
> More than 175,000 British cattle died of BSE during the 1990s. At least 48
> people in Britain have died of the new form of CJD, along with two in France
> and one in Ireland. Neither disease has been detected in the United States.
>
> Although a link between mad cow disease and the new type of CJD had been
> suggested, there were experts who questioned the connection and contended a
> true scientific link was lacking. The new San Francisco study virtually
> removes doubt, said Dr. Donald Price, a neurological disease researcher at
> Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore.
>
> ``This lends new credence to the idea that the new variant CJD is a direct
> result of consuming products from animals with BSE,'' Price said Monday. ``It
> is something the European community should be concerned about.''
>
> Officials for the British health and agricultural departments in London
> declined comment Monday, saying they have not yet read the new study.
>
> Since the new form of CJD is thought to have an incubation period of at least
> 10 years, experts say it is impossible to know now how many people have been
> infected.
>
> Co-authors of the study include Dr. Stanley Prusinger, a UCSF professor who
> won a Nobel Prize in 1997 for his discovery that the protein prion caused BSE.
>
> In the study, researchers created a strain of mice that had genes for the
> normal form of bovine prion protein. The mice were inoculated with prions
> taken from diseased cows.
>
> After 250 days, the test mice all developed neurological disease.
>
> In another group of the mice, the researchers injected priors taken from
> patients who had the new form of CJD. After 250 days, these mice also
> developed neurological disease.
>
> Prions from the diseased mice were then injected into a third group of mice.
> They also developed the disease.
>
> DeArmond said the mice with the disease had identical symptoms and incubation
> periods. Also, a microscopic examination of their brains found the same type
> of lesions. In CJD, the brain is pocked with holes caused by the death of
> cells.
>
> Mice injected with scrapie, a sheep form of prion disease, got neurological
> disease, but it was different from the infection linked to BSE, researchers
> said.
>
> BSE is thought to have developed in British cattle whose feed contained
> protein from sheep that had been infected with scrapie. Britain now bans the
> use of animal parts in cattle feed. In the United States, the FDA issued a
> similar ban in 1997.
>
> Prions, a name that stands for ``infectious particles,'' usually are normal
> proteins found in most mammals. But when the prion shape is changed - either
> from infection or from contact with another malformed prion - the particle
> can cause brain disease.
>
> Because it attacks the brain, symptoms can include bizarre behavior in
> animals. For this reason, BSE is often called ``mad cow disease.
>
> AP-NY-12-20-99 1614EST
>
> 

Re: [CTRL] Newbie Thanks

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Bottom Line
No matter if Christ was real or not
he healed people and did not believe in Human Sacrifice.
What would Christ Do???

To be reborn, Who kept the lost souls when they died?

This did not come out of the Jewish or the Christian
religion.  And it did not come from what ever belief
things like Bush and Clinton believe in!

Believe in yourself and study history because
history repeats itself.

The Pied Piper

Kathryn R Smith wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> I just wanted to thank all who wrote to me and also to say that the book
> mentioned sounds very informative.
>  I do respect the various religions represented here and appreciate it
> being pointed out to me.   :-)
>  I'm still (joyfully) wading through my mail.  :-)
>  I may not be very vocal but I am appreciating reading the list when I
> have time to get to it.
>  Kathy

--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will
be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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Re: [CTRL] Did Clinton fix mom's case? (fwd)

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 Arkansas Prison system
-> Plasma - Africa and India
-> Aids
-> Pigs - GM, gene splicing
-> Canada - Aids, Plasma, hemp
Matter Replication
Home School Legal Defense Fund
Utah - Mormans -* computers create jobs SO they will create
more people to keep the surplus going.
Marry a wife, then "legal" devorce her but mentally,
"spiritally" to still be married.  Some have 5 or 10 wives and
10, 40 or more children and be on food stamps and welfare
since "technacally" the woman is a single mom.  Trying to
undermine the welfare system.
Pigs - factory farms - Hormel and Meat Packers to try to make
it illigal for farmers to slaughter their own animals.
- India - A (vegitarian?) restraunt served a vegitarian meal and the
patrians ended up with what seems to be food poisoning.  The
restraunt had been sprayed with insecticide and it had gotten into
the meal.  Several died.  It happened in 98 or 99.
SO cases of poisoning being covered up by saying that they
are food bacteria.
Plants modified to allow more chemicals.  Does this mean
that the chemicals will be on the grain when it goes to
market?  When it is made in to acholoh, when it is used
at a hospital to clean during and after a operation.  When
you have antibiotic resistant bacteria???  Or reaction to
chemicals that are in and on the grain when processed?
Savings Unions going bottom up.  Why?
codine in cough syrup till 1970's, beyond?
Cocaine a part of Coke Soda till when?

MICHAEL SPITZER wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> From:
>
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19991227_xex_did_clinton_.shtml
>
> MONDAY
> DECEMBER 27
> 1999
>
> ALL THE PRESIDENT'S SCANDALS
>
> Did Clinton fix mom's wrongful-death case?
>
> Deposition by president's mother raises questions about his role
>
> © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com
>
> Did Bill Clinton influence the Arkansas medical examiner in 1981
> to ignore available evidence and instead make his autopsy
> findings favor Clinton's mother, a nurse-anesthetist embroiled in
> two accidental hospital deaths and a wrongful death lawsuit?
>
> A new Arkansas scandal book sheds light on Bill Clinton's mother,
> Virginia Kelley, and the role she played in the deaths of two
> women at a Hot Springs hospital in 1978 and 1981.
>
> Laura Slayton died in 1978 while Kelley was providing anesthesia.
> Susie Deer died in 1981 because of Kelley's alleged incompetence.
>
> "The Boys on the Tracks," written by Arkansas Times columnist
> Mara Leveritt, deals with the mysterious murders of two teenage
> boys in 1987, but it also focuses on Virginia Kelley's
> involvement in two cases of negligent homicide.
>
> Leveritt points the finger at Dr. Fahmy Malak, Arkansas' former
> medical examiner who conducted the autopsies on the teenage boys
> and also absolved Kelley of responsibility for the death of Susie
> Deer. Clinton had hired Malak during his first term as governor
> and protected the medical examiner from being removed -- until he
> launched his presidential bid.
>
> Incompetence and death Virginia Kelley, now deceased, was a
> nurse-anesthetist who worked at Ouachita Memorial Hospital in Hot
> Springs, Ark. in the late '70s and early '80s.
>
> In 1981, Kelley was named in a lawsuit over the death of Laura
> Lee Slayton, who died in 1978 while undergoing minor surgery at
> Ouachita. Kelley was the anesthetist during the surgery. The
> surgeon was also sued for failing to properly supervise Kelley.
> Eventually, Slayton's family dropped the case against the
> surgeon, while Kelley settled out of court and paid the family
> $90,000 in damages.
>
> In June 1981, just two months after the Slayton lawsuit was
> filed, Kelley became embroiled in a second hospital death. This
> time it involved a 17-year-old mother. Susie Deer had been riding
> in the back of a car when someone in the car yelled a racial
> epithet at Billy Ray Washington, a black man, and his wife who
> were walking home. In retaliation, Washington picked up a chunk
> of concrete and threw it through the back window of the car,
> hitting Deer in the face.
>
> Deer was admitted to the hospital and underwent surgery to repair
> broken teeth and injuries to her face. Three hours into the
> operation, Virginia Kelley was asked by her surgeon to transfer
> an oxygen tube from Deer's nose to her throat. According to
> Leveritt, after Kelley inserted the tube into her throat, vomit
> began coming up through the tube. The surgeons realized she had
> put the tube down into Deer's stomach instead of her lungs.
> Kelley tried at least twice to correct her mistake, but couldn't
> do it. Dr. James Griffin took over for her. By that time Deer had
> gone into cardiac arrest, and died an hour later.
>
> Deer's death had to be investigated, and the findings of the
> medical examiner, "were going to be very important to Virginia
> Kelley's career," according to Leveritt.
>
> Then-Arkansas Medical Examiner Dr. Fahmy Malak performed 

Re: [CTRL] Bauer: Gay [homo]Couples Akin to Terrorism

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/esbactra.htm
Acidophilus is used by the body in the mouth, stomach
and intestines.  It "helps prevent the growth of
harmful bacteria (pathogens)."  So, to advicate
Oral Sex when you know that the list below are some
of the some of the things that can kill this and leave the
mouth (like an open wound) to the mercy of pathogens.
If the gal has a reaction to dioxon tampons and has
clitima?, yeast infection or something like that and / or
If the guy has had his body compromised and / or
-- go to the web page at the top of this, follow the
links, read and think of what propoganda has been
put out on Clinton's eating and sexual habits!

The guy has to be a pathogen breeding ground and
should have been cited for even having oral sex.

though I do wonder - he and Bush were born in the same year.
Clinton was adopted - was he born male? Was he able to have
seminal fluid? Or can he reload a resivire? Stains on Monica's
dress?  Was Clinton was of the victims of Organophosphates
that can make your penis small, give you both types of sexual
genitalia, put brests on infants - Chelsie was adopted too, wasn't
she?

Then we have Bush Jr.  A three month engagement
before marrage.  Trying to make sure that she would
not be able to back out?  Didn't look like anyone else
that got to know the family wanted him!



The citations for a proposal on how to decrease Cattle
emissions.

  Acidophilus:

  Top
  Ultra Bio-Logics Feed Acidophilus for animal feed.

  Nutrrigen acidophilus needed for "mouth, stomach and intestines to aid
in the
  digestion of food." "eight essential Amino Acids used by the liver to
synthesize
  the other 158 Amino Acids." "22% Glutamic Acid (recognised as a brain
fuel)."

  Cell Tech's "helps prevent the growth of harmful bacteria (pathogens)."
  "Antibiotics, some cortisone-like drugs, birth control pills, alcohol,
some food
  additives, caffeine, chlorinated or fluoridated water, and stress, can
destroy the
  natural intestinal flora."

  "What can kill the 'friendly' bacteria?" "Antibiotics…leaving the
intestines at
  the mercy of the opportunistic bacteria and toxins." "Too much sugar, a
bad
  diet, certain oral contraceptives, aspirin, corticosteriods, yeast, and
too much
  streess…enabling the harmful bacteria to flourish, thereby causing
putrefaction
  and the manufacturing of toxic products."


Tatman, Robert wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> The "nuclear family" as a widespread social phenomenon emerged in the United
> States only during the late 1940's, as ex-GI's returning from the war took
> advantage of VA loans to acquire their own homes. It flourished during the
> 1950's and early '60's, but began to disappear in the late '60's, as
> alternative forms of the family began to take shape. These alternatives were
> not necessarily multi-generational families (although for a good bit of my
> life I lived with three and even four generations under one or two roofs);
> they included unmarried couples, both straight and gay, in short-term
> relationships; ditto, but in long-term committed relationships; multiple
> couples sharing living space; polymorphous-perverse assemblages; and every
> conceivable combination in between. As divorce has become more accepted,
> something often called "serial monogamy" has come into being...i.e., being
> faithful to one partner at a time. (The multi-generational arrangements are
> better for children, of course.) Another widespread phenomenon is
> grandparents raising grandchildren, for a variety of reasons.
>
> If anyone can find the nuclear family in all of this hodgepodge, go to it...
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ynr Chyldz Wyld [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 11:48 PM
> > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Bauer: Gay [homo]Couples Akin to Terrorism
> >
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > From: "nessie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > What exactly are "homosexual values" and why would the NWO promote them?
> >
> > Well, all the gays I've known over the years were staunch Reaganite
> > conservatives...
> >
> >
> > > Good riddance. The nuclear family is a very recent and not very wide
> > > spread abberation. Most people on earth live in extended families of at
> > > least three generations.
> >
> > And not necessarily blood kin.
> >
> > What is now called 'the nuclear family' is, as you say, a recent
> > phenomenon,
> > and quite frankly is not all that great, in my estimation...
> >
> > It encourages a self-centeredness that older, 'tribal' societies (which
> > includes
> > most of Europe up until the 19th century) didn't have...
> >
> >
> > > Most people have always lived in extended
> > > families since before we came down from the trees.
> >
> > And those extended families then gathered into 'tribal' units, called
> > villages
> > and towns.
> >
>

Re: [CTRL] SmartMoney Today: Presidential Portfolios

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

If a contribution is given and then invested back into the company
that gave it? Read Rachel's #680: Money Rules
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
there is basically no limit to finacial contributions
ANYMORE either!
--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will
be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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==
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screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

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Re: [CTRL] sleep well America!

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I read a article (in the early 90's) that said congress was padding
the military budget with alacations that were going to Universities
for research.  To pharmisudicals???

Nurev Ind Research wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> > Eagle 1 wrote:
> >
> > This should get every one's attention...
> >
> >  Name This Country:
> >
> >  709,000 regular (active duty) service personnel
> >  293,000 reserve troops
> >  Eight standing Army divisions
> >  20 Air Force and Navy air wings with 2,000 combat aircraft
> >  232 strategic bombers
> >  13 strategic ballistic missile submarines with
> >  3,114 nuclear warheads on 232 missiles
> >  500 ICBMs with 1,950 warheads
> >  Four aircraft carriers, and
> >  121 surface combat ships and submarines, plus all the support bases,
> >  shipyards and logistical assets needed to sustain such a naval force.
> >
> >  Is this country Russia? . . . No
> >
> >  Red China ? . . . No
> >
> >  Great Britain ? . . . Wrong Again
> >
> >  USA? . . . Hardly
> >
> >  Give Up?
> >
> >  Well, don't feel too bad if you are unable to identify this global
> >  superpower because this country no longer exists.  It has vanished.
> >
> >  These are the American military forces that have disappeared since the 1992
> > elections.
> >
> >  Sleep well, America.
> >
> >
> > eagle 1
>
> Excellent. This means that we have a long way to go before we have purely
> defensive forces, and end the NWO's Imperialist Military.
>
> Thanks for the encouraging news Eagle 1.
>
> Joshua2
>

--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will
be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm
ICQ 14484977
NEW - my sites are having a problem staying up right now.
So, here they are mirrored.
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/site_map.htm
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==
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screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
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Re: [CTRL] Let Them Eat Bush

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Nurev Ind Research wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> "Tatman, Robert" wrote:
> >
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Careful, Joshua...there might be children watching... 
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Nurev Ind Research [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 12:27 PM
> > > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Let Them Eat Bush
> > >
> > >  -Caveat Lector-
> > >
> > > Is that the same as " carpet munching, and muff diving?"
> > >
> > > Joshua2
>
> Well good. Then we'll have someone to explain these curious expressions.
>
> ;} Joshua2

When I say crackdo you think of a crack in the sidewalk or something else
thinking of a crack in the sidewalk could lead to thinking
about how to mix concrete, different ways of patching it,
the time involved, different areas -
IF
you thought of a sexual area THEN
do I hear Project Orwell?
Sex, Sex, Sex...
Quack, Quack, Quack??>?
**Or**
Just a childish viewpoint?




--
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others to differ from me in opinion"
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Re: [CTRL] Bush wore transmitter in ear during debate.

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 -Caveat Lector-

You can not make a silk purse out of a boar's ear
-that is not a typo for bore-
also
He said he found Christ!
antiChrist maybe.
Christ did not believe in human sacrifice,
look at all the people he cured, that others were
sacrificing.
As far as Bush being that kind of role model
->Go to "Misc. Information" on
http://thepiedpiper.tripod.com/index.htm
for references on how the Bush family
creates (financial) illnesses, lose things
like companies
[by backing Hitler in the Holocaust especially]
or by giving it to Bush Jr.

Prudence L. Kuhn wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 12/20/1999 2:50:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> <<
>  George W. Bush, during the most recent Iowa GOP presidential debate, was
>  wearing a small "ear piece" in his right ear, this for the first time. The
>  ear piece was likely a radio transmitter used by his "handlers" to "coach"
>  him through the debate. >>
>
> That's not so bad.  At least he knows someone who knows something.  Prudy
>



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If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will
be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
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Indira Gandhi

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: CONSUMER WARNING/PHONING - ACTION ALERT - - PLEASE POST!

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this gives some information on Qua'c'ker Oats
Subject:   [CTRL] Fwd: "experiments" on civilians
 Date:  Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:02:14 EST
 From:  Kris Millegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 Subject:"experiments" on civilians
   Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:21:27 -0400
   From:Dana Beal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Source: New Scientist (UK)
   Copyright: New Scientist, RBI Limited 1999
   Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Website: http://www.newscientist.com/
   Page: 49-51
   Author: Charles Seife

   WITHOUT CONSENT

A review of: Undue Risk:
Secret State Experiments on Humans, by
Jonathan Moreno, WH Freeman,
UKP15, ISBN 0716731428

>a quote from the post<
" Few more so than the so-called "science club"
studies of the 1940s and 1950s, in which scientists
fed radioactive cereal to unsuspecting youngsters
at institutions for troubled adolescents.  The
experiments were co-sponsored by the US
government's Atomic Energy Commission
and the Quaker Oats company in the US, and
carried out by scientists from the prestigious
Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
According to Moreno, Quaker Oats
wanted to trace where the iron and other
nutrients in their cereals travelled
to in the body, while the AEC wanted to
learn more about how radiation was deposited.

   In 1997, Quaker Oats and MIT agreed to
pay $1.85 million in compensation without
admitting guilt.  Moreno acknowledges that the
radiation levels were too low to do any harm.
But that's not the point, he says. The parents
weren't told radiation was involved, or that the
research offered no medical benefits.  All  they
knew was their kids were joining a special club
which would involve outings to watch baseballand
a special cereal diet."

>end of quote<
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The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
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Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
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Indira Gandhi

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[CTRL] [Fwd: Fw: CONSUMER WARNING/PHONING - ACTION ALERT - PLEASE POST!]

[piper]

GE Foods
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Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
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-Original Message-
From: Debbie Ortman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Recipient list suppressed 
Date: Monday, December 13, 1999 12:42 PM
Subject: CONSUMER WARNING/PHONING - ACTION ALERT - PLEASE POST!


>CONSUMER WARNING - The Frankenfoods Fifteen(see list at end)
>
>IF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT GENETICALLY ENGINEERED FOODS IN  YOUR SHOPPING
>CART, YOU BETTER ACT NOW!
>
>HERE ARE SOME THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW BEFORE YOU BUY  ANY FOOD OR BEVERAGE
>PRODUCTS IN YOUR GROCERY STORE ARE YOU EATING GENETICALLY ENGINEERED FOODS?
>* Lab tests and industry disclosures indicate that 60-75% of all
>non-organic supermarket foods now "test positive" for the presence of
>genetically engineered (GE) ingredients.
>
>* Despite growing public concern over the safety of milk and dairy products
>from cows injected with recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone (rBGH), as well
>as human health and environmental concerns over genetically engineered
>corn, soy, canola, and cotton, the US government refuses to require
>safety-testing or labeling for genetically engineered foods. As a result
>Europe, Japan, and other nations are now refusing to buy many US food
>exports.
>
>*  Mounting scientific evidence suggests that genetically engineered foods
>may present serious hazards for human health and the environment. The
>British Medical Association has called for a global ban on GE foods, while
>the New England Journal of Medicine has warned that "the allergenic
>potential of these newly intoduced microbial proteins is uncertain,
>unpredictable, and untestable." Scientists warn that GE foods may set off
>allergies, increase cancer risks, produce antibiotic-resistant pathogens,
>damage food quality, and produce dangerous toxins.
>
>*  Environmental hazards of genetically engineered crops recently discussed
>in scientific journals and the media include: increased use of toxic
>pesticides, damage to soil fertility, genetic pollution of adjoining
>farmlands, harm to Monarch butterflies and beneficial insects such as
>ladybugs, and the creation of "superpests, "superweeds," and virulent new
>plant viruses.
>
>*  Consumer polls over the past decade have shown that 80-95% of Americans
>want genetically engineered foods to be labeled--mainly so that we can
>avoid buying them. Fifty members of Congress recently sent a letter to the
>Food and Drug Administration demanding labeling. In addition, a federal
>lawsuit has been filed by a broad coalition of scientists, environmental
>groups, religious leaders, organic farmers, and consumer organizations
>demanding that all genetically engineered foods be taken off the market
>until they have been properly safety-tested and labeled.
>
>*  Turn over this leaflet to see what you can do today to protect yourself
>and your family from genetically engineered foods.
>
>WHAT YOU CAN DO TODAY
>TO AVOID GENETICALLY ENGINEERED FOODS
>
>Ask  your grocery store manager for a written statement on their policy
>regarding genetically engineered foods. Request that they identify which
>food products are genetically engineered and which are not.
>
>Tell your grocer to offer a full-line selection of certified organic foods.
>Organic farmers and producers operate under strict certification rules and
>do not use any genetically engineered seeds or ingredients.
>
>Buy certified organic foods from your local co-op, health food store,
>farmers market or through a  CSA - (Community Supported Agriculture)
program.
>
>Join the Organic Consumers Association and volunteer to help organize
>opposition to genetically engineered foods in your local community.  Keep
>informed on genetic engineering and food safety issues by visiting our  web
>site at 
>
>Call the 15 companies listed below - The Frankenfoods Fifteen - and tell
>them you will not purchase their foods or beverages unless they can provide
>you with written
>assurance that their products do not contain genetically engineered
>ingredients.
>
>Safeway
>800-723-3929
>Frito-Lay
>800-352-4477
>Kellogg's
>800-96

Re: [CTRL] About HP - Company Facts

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

who would want to give windows virus(s)
I doult that it would be MS
Gates has a problem, which is apparent if you
study by the manuals for Office, like the ones that
we are using at this college.
He thinks that people should be able to have
a education, the examples are business based.
This means that while you learn how to use
the computer program [Word, ect] you learn
another mind set, could be he is messing with
someones propoganda for a (world) certain
viewpoint??
NOT could be - he is but being the Geek that
he is, and undereducated in the other core subjects
[history, phycology, biology, microbiology, so on]
he would not see it.  His view point seems to be that
anyone can do it, that would be at odds with goals 2000.
The Pied Piper

Tenorlove wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> <>
>
> Funny you should ask. At this time, on my puter, yes, Windows still
> boots up; however, NONE of the software that was pre-installed at the
> time I bought the computer, will run. This is the error message I get,
> not that I have a clue what it means:
>
> 
> EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in
> module WININET.DLL at 015f:789faba6.
> Registers:
> EAX= CS=015f EIP=789faba6 EFLGS=00010246
> EBX=834e4000 SS=0167 ESP=0150d430 EBP=0150d450
> ECX= DS=0167 ESI=0043fb38 FS=139f
> EDX=0013 ES=0167 EDI=835e4000 GS=
> Bytes at CS:EIP:
> f2 ae f7 d1 49 8d 44 0a 01 89 45 fc e9 96 fe ff
> Stack dump:
> 0043fb38 0043148c 4000 0043fb38 0043fb38 0043148c 0001 0150d474
> 0150d474 789fd0e3 834e4000 0150d4f4 0150ea54 0103 0043148c 0043fb38
>
> 
>
> BUT, the AFTER market software that I installed (Internet software,
> Netscape, MS Office, etc) still runs! Since some of the aftermarket
> stuff is Microsoft, I don't know if I can blame my problems on some "MS
> Conspiracy To Screw Tenorlove Version 1.0." Does Windows come with an
> automatic self-destruct feature, forcing one, after a certain number of
> hours of use, to go buy another one? I wouldn't put it past them.
>



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The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will
be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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[CTRL] About HP - Company Facts

[piper]

happened on this page and took a good look at
what they make - do they also dabble in food irratiation
as well as microwave?
and we are worried about Micro Soft and windows

http://www.hp.com/abouthp/company_facts/index.html#Facts
--
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The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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  Contents
  

Facts at a Glance 
Visit CEO, Carly Fiorina
About Agilent
  Technologies
Corporate Organization Chart
HP's Corporate Rankings
  
Financial Snapshot
  
HP Products and Services Leadership
  Rankings: 
  Computer Products
  Enterprise Computing
  Inkjet Imaging Solutions
  LaserJet Imaging Systems
  Chemical Analysis Group 
  Medical Products Group
  Semiconductor Products Group
  Test and Measurement:
  Automated Test Group
  Communications Solutions Group
  Electronic Solutions Group
  
  
  Facts at a Glance
  
Founded in 1939 (Find out about the HP
  garage, the company's first "manufacturing site.")
Corporate headquarters in Palo Alto, Calif.
President and Chief Executive Officer -- Carleton
  S. Fiorina
Chairman of the Board -- Lewis
  E. Platt
123,000 employees worldwide
600 sales and support offices and distributorships worldwide in more
  than 120 countries; 104 divisions worldwide
  
  
  HP's Corporate Rankings
  
#2 Most Admired Computers/Office Equipment Company in America -- Fortune
  (March 1, 1999)
#2 U.S.-based Computers/Office Equipment Company – Fortune 500
  (April 12, 1999)
#3 Most Admired Company in Asia -- Asian Business (May 1, 1998)
#10 Best Company to Work For in America-- Fortune (Jan. 11,
  1999)
#13 Fortune 500 list of U.S. industrial and service corporations (April
  12, 1999)
#26 Forbes 500 composite ranking of U.S. public companies (April
  19, 1999)
#30 Employer among the Fortune 500 U.S. industrial and service
  corporations (based on number of employees) (April 12, 1999)
#42 BusinessWeek Global 1000 (July 13, 1998)
#45 Most Admired Company in America -- Fortune (March 1, 1999)
#47 Fortune Global 500 list of corporations (Aug. 27, 1998)
  
  
  
  Financial Snapshot
  
  Results at a Glance
  Net revenue
  

  

  
1993

  $ 

20.3 billion
  
  
1994
 
25.0 billion
  
  
1995
 
31.5 billion
  
  
1996
 
38.4 billion
  
  
1997
 
42.9 billion
  
  
1998
 
47.1 billion
  

  
  

  
  Net income
  
  

  

  
   

[CTRL] Australia - new platform - defense there-of

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

Australia
Look on a map and figure who could bother it if
the internet went down.

Who could bother it even with satalites UP

Korea has missle tech so that could neg - China, Japan
New planes to Saudi Arabia - technology to be "close"
to equal of what the military is currently using.
New Zealand has been a major center of chemical use
and I believe that there are more sheep there than
people.  Clonning.
India - finacially strapped - WTO taking it down
coconut oil, plasma, and other sactions
Africa? - Madagascar?

Current law allows the DA to put anything
they want to on any computer or to hack any
computer in Australia.  Would you know if the
person that you are talking to - is the person that
you are talking to?

Think does the situation with the PLO
the othodox Jews and
the other Jews make sense
- Money for what -
But they came from Isreal
BUT did they come with the grace
of the Isreali army?

I would be courious about checking
out some opal mines in Australia and
see if they have more than Opals...

Just M:y Questions for the month

--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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[CTRL] The Small Farmer is Gone? Excerts from three links

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 -Caveat Lector-

Diversity is life, Monopoly is death
I say that whoever is backing this
(Clinton, Monsanto, whoever) is suicidal.

The full stories are at the links that I have added to the
beginning of each excert.

*The Wall Street Journal had a article several days ago
that said that the small farmer was on the way out.
Could following be why?" Farm aid to go, what next
food stamps and then education of the common person?
Anyway this does look like a way for some to get control
of the land.  What is the finacial base, based on?  Was a
gold standard - with the US Presidential salary to go from
$200,000 to $400,000 for the next President when will the
iceberg decide to upend?  Links below, read between the lines.
Piperhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_546000/546384.stm
Thursday, 2 December, 1999, 12:28 GMT
  EU makes biotech
  concessions


http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1999/11/99/battle_for_free_trade/newsid_532000/532470.stm

  ..."But the EU does not want to reduce its direct
  aid to farmers, a key part of its recent reforms
  which are gradually replacing the price
  supports under the CAP. "...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/the_economy/newsid_433000/433603.stm
 ..."Meanwhile, Cairns group members criticised the United
 States for launching a $7.65bn emergency farm aid
 package, and for curbs on Australian and New Zealand
 lamb exports."...

--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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Re: [CTRL] Allen Dulles - Father of Lies

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Thank You
Do you have anything else that you can pull out of that
hat, This Good???
Piper

Nicky Molloy wrote:

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>
> America's Daily Net Newspaper
>
> http://www.nitronews.com/dowbenko.html
>
> FATHER OF LIES
> A BOOK REVIEW
>
> By Uri Dowbenko
> Media Columnist
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>  What can you say about a dead white guy whose own wife called him "The
> Shark"?
>
> Yes, Allen Dulles was a lawyer. He worked for the powerful illuminati law
> firm Sullivan & Cromwell, whose clients included multinational corporations
> as well as foreign governments, and whose big money deals shaped the destiny
> of the planet.
>
> In a high profile career which spanned two World Wars as well as the Cold
> War, Dulles was also a director of the Central Intelligence Agency and a
> director of the Council on Foreign Relations.
>
> Most importantly, Dulles was a moral, intellectual and physical cripple. His
> philandering was notorious. His acquiescence to the wishes of his masters -
> the Anglo-American Establishment - is a matter of historical record. And
> ironically, he also had a club foot, like Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, the director
> of the CIA's Technical Services Division, responsible for the Agency's
> diabolical mind control programs.
>
> James Srodes, author of Allen Dulles: Master of Spies, has produced a
> sanitized whitewash of a biography, completely avoiding Dulles's culpability
> in his many heinous crimes against humanity.
>
> During Dulles's tenure, after all, the CIA continuously used people as
> involuntary human guinea pigs. In their hubris, the arrogant spymasters
> believed they were accountable to no one, the lives of their victims mere
> Olympian playthings.
>
> This dysfunctional mindset of the power elite is the psychopathology of
> Dulles himself and many others who consider themselves the movers and
> shakers of the twentieth century.
>
> Nazis Bankrolled By Wall Street
>
> With blithe disregard, Srodes downplays the importance of the collusion
> between Big Business and Big Government, writing, "there is little doubt
> that a close relationship between the State Department and the senior
> partners of Sullivan & Cromwell suited all the parties well... Questions of
> conflicts of interest rarely arose in a time when the interests of commerce
> and government were so closely allied."
>
> Closely allied? That's Srodes oh-so-quaint way of saying that the Old Boys
> Club infested the highest levels of government as well as business.
>
> Most bothersome, however, is Srodes's dedicated ignorance of the build-up of
> the Nazi War Machine by Wall Street investment bankers. For instance, in
> dealing with the Schroeder bank's involvement with financing Hitler, Srodes
> is disingenous at best. He claims that it was a "different" Schroeder bank
> because of the different spelling of the surname, even though the name was
> anglicized in its British incarnation.
>
> "There never was any proof that Sullivan or Cromwell or the Dulles Brothers
> of the London Schroeder Bank ever had ties to or dealings with von
> Schroeder," huffs Srodes.
>
> Srodes's disinformational biography disregards well known facts recounted in
> former Hoover Institution scholar Antony C. Sutton's landmark history, Wall
> Street And The Rise Of Hitler.
>
> "Who was Schroeder?" asks Sutton in his book. "Baron Kurt von Schroeder was
> born in Hamburg in 1889 into an old established German banking family. An
> earlier member of the Schroeder family moved to London, changed his name to
> Schroder (without the dierisis) and organized the banking firm of J. Henry
> Schroder in London and J. Henry Schroder Banking Corporation in New York."
>
> In his well-documented story of the American financiers who provided the
> money and material Hitler used to launch World War II, Dr. Sutton recounts
> how Nazi Baron Kurt von Schroeder "acted as a conduit for I.T.T. money
> funneled to Heinrich Himmler's S.S. organization in 1944, while World War II
> was in progress and the United States was at war with Germany."
>
> Furthermore, in recent correspondence with this author, Dr. Sutton writes
> that "New York was so determined to conceal the WWII links that a vice
> president of New York Schroeder Bank (Bogdan) was put in uniform and sent to
> Germany to grab the [incriminating] paperwork before US troops even reached
> Cologne."
>
> The American subsidiary of the notorious Nazi firm I.G. Farben, called
> American I.G., was under the control of an American citizen named Halbach,
> nominally a consultant

[CTRL] Bush and links to the Washington/Political Menagerie

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Go past the first set of tables to the links on Bush
Then
Get ready for a lot of research (reading)

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others to differ from me in opinion"
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those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
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Misc Information


These seem to go missing from the web pages that I put them on
so let's see if I can keep track of them here.


Tarpley, Webster G. & Anton Chaiktin. "The Unauthorized Biography of George Bush"  1992. 15 Apr.
99 < "http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bushb.htm#Table" >or the new link at
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
This book follows the Bush family
connections from 1914 to the present. From the time of George's grandfather, Samuel P. Bush, the Bush family has attempted to stay involved in politics.  The book seems to show that since the family could not rate by having royal blood lines (that rate)or by having a high degree of education, that they would try to control by a philosophy of  "The one with the most money makes the rules."   They believe in "racial cleansing" and have cultivated people like Adolph Hitler.

 Also I understand that Bush and Forbes are both alumni of Yale's sority
 "Skull and Bones".  So, could they have the same agenda?




 
 http://www.prorev.com/bush.htm
 Bush Family - Looking behind the Bushes


 http://www.consortiumnews.com/100599a1.html
"This fuzzy bipartisanship spared President Bush from
   accountability in scandals ranging from the Iran-contra
   affair to Iraqgate -- the clandestine arming of Saddam
   Hussein -- from the contra-cocaine operations to October
   Surprise, allegations of secret contacts between
   Republicans and Iranians in 1980. [For a summary of
   President Bush's alleged misconduct, see Robert Parry's
   Lost History.]"..."Although other Chilean human-rights documents were
   released, Clinton's Justice Department blocked disclosure
   of key Letelier evidence on the grounds that the 23-year-old
   murder case is still active. [For details, see Bush & the
   Condor Mystery.]"

The
  Consortium
"October 5, 1999 Bush & the Condor Mystery By Robert Parry Newly  released U.S. government documents reveal that George Bush's CIA knew  more about Chile's role in an international assassination ring, code- named Condor, than Bush and the agency disclosed to FBI agents"

The
Consortium
October 5, 1999 "Bush's 'Zingy' One-Liners" By Robert Parry

The
 Consortium
May 15, 1999 "Russia's Prime Minister and October Surprise" By RobertParry  Additional Reading(s) for this article - [For details on the  House task force report and its unusual logic, see Robert Parry's Trick  or Treason. For the full text of Stepashin's report, see Parry's The
 October Surprise X-Files.]


From: Highlights of Radio Free Eireann
Bill Hughes' WBAI Commentary, 10/26/96
"In Massachusetts, Senator John Kerry has a golden opportunity to defeat the British sympathizer William Weld, in that tight senate race. He might also further expose George Bush's suspected role as a drug kingpin, and possibly,..."

Corporate Accountability Project
 Ewall, Mike. "It's no accident that Coors is the right beer in America."   12 Dec. 1995. 15 Apr. 1999 
 < http://www.corporations

[CTRL] Problems with my sites

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Tripod is up
Digiweb and Zoom are still having problems - Which
Could be because I seem to have messed up my FTP uploads!

Any way the updated site can be found on Tripod.
under Essays at < es_major.htm > is a intresting page.
The Pied Piper

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[CTRL] updating my site

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I am updating the site and since
my digiweb page seems to be down
(after I goofed my FTP upload)
here it is on xoom
http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/site_map.htm

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Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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[CTRL] GM food - N.D. Grazing - Sierra Club - FedGov

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North Dakota Grass Land Grazing - Sierra Club -
Federal Government

dead line extended till January

The Grazing of cattle on Federal Lands
IF there are no more cattle grazing on these lands
then before, why is the buffalo grass shorter?

If grass is not grazed doesn't it eventually die
create a mat, and then there are grass fires?

Are they using chemicals on these cattle that kill
the bacteria that allows this area to be organic?
Organic yields are proving to be higher.

If the grass is shorter is the Government using this
as a reason to keep the farmers from finding out
that the chemical companies are hurting them?
Example: Monsanto and Genetic Modification.
The Pied Piper 26Nov1999
--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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Re: [CTRL] RITALIN: Breggin Responds

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This guy is not meantioning food or nutrician as a role.
So, is he bait for those that think there is actually someone
that is on their side - against Ritalin?

Breggin was suppenaed as a witness - for a trail in Utah.
School system wanted to take children for their homeschooling
parents, and put the kids back in the public school system and on
Ritalin!  The kids were taken away, foster homes, one was raped
at the foster home and (I believe)  commited suicide
( I will have to find the web site, I haven't kept
up with the case reciently)

Let's just say that from what I know
"Why don't you come over for dinner?"
Said the spider (Breggin) to the fly.

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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>
> ..
>
> Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
> From: Ian Goddard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RITALIN: Breggin Responds
> Date: Sunday, November 14, 1999 7:02 PM
>
> Last year the American Medical Association conducted
> a review "to deal with public and professional concern"
> about the use of psychotropic drugs to control the minds
> of children. [*] Not surprisingly, their conclusion was
> that there is no problem -- children who display excessive
> energy and who don't pay enough attention to adults should
> be dosed with potentially harmful drugs that are intended
> to overcome their free wills, bringing them under control.
>
> Below is the response of Peter Breggin, M.D., to the AMA,
> presented in a letter that was published in the Journal of
> the American Medical Association. Here are some highlights:
>
> "While admitting there are no proven long-term benefits, the
> AMA report supports the long-term use of the drug [Ritalin]."
>
> "The council report specifically denies that methylphenidate
> [Ritalin] is used for behavioral control but the diagnostic
> items are entirely limited to behaviors. The drug is almost
> always given to suppress behaviors that signal unmet needs
> in the child or conflicts between the child and adults."
>
> "Cookie-cutter diagnoses and assembly-line pharmacological
> treatments do not do justice to the needs of our children.
> On an individual level, America's children need much more
> attention to their personal, family, and educational needs.
> On a social level, they need improved schools and family
> life and a value system that emphasizes their individuality
> rather than drug-induced compliance and conformity."
>
> =
> Journal of the American Medical Association,
> April 28, 1999 -- Volume 281, Number 16, pages 1490-1
> =
>
> To the Editor: By promoting the diagnosis of ADHD and the
> use of methylphenidate [Ritalin] as a treatment, the AMA
> Council on Scientific Affairs' report [1] does a disservice.
> The council report fails to cite any of the dozens of
> critical publications spanning decades. [2-6] It exaggerates
> the benefits of methylphenidate, claiming short-term use
> improves academic performance. Reviews instead conclude
> that methylphenidate has no positive effects on learning
> but can impair it. [3] While admitting there are no proven
> long-term benefits, the AMA report supports the long-term
> use of the drug. The report ignores methylphenidate's many
> adverse effects. [3]
>
> The council report calls ADHD a "neuropsychiatric disorder,"
> but it is a diagnosis of exclusion made only in the absence
> of any known medical or neurological cause. All the "symptoms"
> are drawn from normal childhood behaviors, such as squirming
> in a chair, acting bored, talking out of turn, and being
> forgetful and inattentive. When these behaviors increase
> in number or intensity, it really signals that the child
> requires more individualized attention to unmet basic needs,
> such as a more engaging and individualized educational
> environment, more rational or consistent discipline in the
> home or school, unconditional love, or security and safety.
> An increase in ADHD-like behaviors almost always indicates
> that we, as adults, are not giving the child much-needed
> attention.
>
> The council report specifically denies that methylphenidate
> is used for behavioral control but the diagnostic items are
> entirely limited to behaviors. The drug is almost always
> given to suppress behaviors that signal unmet needs in the
> child or conflicts between the child and adults.

Re: [CTRL] TOP SECRET FBI Pimp Files (fwd)

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Das GOAT wrote:

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>
> In a message dated 99-11-11 13:20:06 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >If you read about Bush and the rest you realize that theyare shilling for
> >someone elses ideas.
> >You will need to dig deeper than that.
>
> Even the top twenty of the CFR, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderberg Group
> are just "flunkies" for more powerful bosses, who would prefer their names
> never to be known.
>

What was this idea that you gave that money is just to flaut the laws?

*So, those that have money never work?
Is that like those that have kids, let the kids do all the work?

*If you have money then it is just one long party of drugs
booze and sex?
Sounds boring to me.  I always thought that you should
do things with it.  Even Carigee helped build libaries.

*Is your idea of Capitalism
Clinton and Bush?
or
???  other wise!


--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will
be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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Re: [CTRL] Terminator Seeds

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Hey KID,
I have been there and done that!
You want to see where this is going?
Breeding a superior race of NAZI?
How about a superior race of white lab rat?

Next, since it seems as if they could have been using this
technology in Russia for quite a while, for us to be able to
'Blow the whistle' means that it will eventually rebound to
Clinton, Monsanto, Bush, Russia, Japan and more.

Want to see what is messing them up???

I mean when they were threatening everyone with blackmail
if they did not capitulate?  Down size their surplus and give
control of their countries to the WTO read New World Order?
When they were ready to say  that the special ones could
hide underground, or in space -wipe the Earth
of life, and then reseed.

See if you understand this web page
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/es_major.htm

Laura Lee Lanning-Shipton
aka The Pied Piper
aka The Cog in Their Plans

excuse me if I do not subscribe to your publications
but I like my news to be current, and you are way behind the times!

Also as far as some trying to say that Jews have and are doing
some of this.  They are not the only ones with brains and
the info I have did not come from the Jewish or Christian
religions.  So.  Would you like a hint as to what ideas
might be back in the fight?
-- Science and Education trickle down
(still it takes time for new ideas to come into play)
BUT when
technology is at a fast pace and some want control,
those that want control can make it seem as if the
ones at the bottom are being left out.

-- "The Balkans seethed with rebellion against the
once-mighty empire of the Hapsburgs, now regarded
as the 'jailer of the Slavs'. --
1914 Archduke Franz Ferdinand assassinated,
heir to the Austro- Hungarian throne.
1914-1920 WW I
1918 execution of Nicholas II (Romanov dynasty)
1920- Religious Fundamentalism

I do not believe in pedophile or cannibalism
and if saying that these practices are needed -
in worshiping individual gods or
to keep the surplus in line, I guess I would be called
a jailer too!  BUT my handle is
The Pied Piper



JAH Publications wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/gmterm.htm >
> http://www.rafi.org/translator/termtrans.html

> > http://www.rafi.org/usda.html

> >



--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will
be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm
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Re: [CTRL] TOP SECRET FBI Pimp Files (fwd)

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> On 11 Nov 99, at 6:50, Das GOAT wrote:
>
> > .. The Clinton administration's use of such drastic means
> > >for a so-called "economic" conference has raised questions about
> > >state-sponsored commercial espionage.  Is export money enough
> > >justification to use children as sex-slaves and spies?
> >
> > How naive can we be?  In the underworld economy of espionage and organized
> > crime, which are almost indistinguishable, the primary currencies used are
> > not ONLY "illegal drugs" and "black-market weapons."  Just as valuable as
> > either is SEX -- but, especially when sex is routine and cheap, for "sex"
> > to have ANY value as a currency, it MUST be "taboo" sex, forbidden by law
> > or just by normal (public) moral standards -- a kind of rare "delicacy,"
> > obtainable only by the the ultra-rich or the ultra-privileged, for whom
> > being able to push the envelope of the "permissible" to the EXTREME is an
> > essential definer of "elite" status. (Power isn't really "power" unless
> > one is free --FREE-- to ABUSE it.) In more Victorian times, the "buzz"
> > used to be homosexuality.  Today it's pedophilia. OF COURSE it's not only
> > immoral but ILLEGAL  The flip side of POWER is its RISK -- so one is never
> > welcomed into the circle of the powerful except by double-edged gifts
> > which can, if PUBLICLY revealed, DESTROY one.  "Secret societies" are
> > "secret" for a good practical reason.  Shared GUILT is a strong BOND and
> > GUARANTEES silence.
>
> Wouldn't it be interesting if Clinton got to take the fall for
> thiswhich has been going on for decades, certainly through the
> two  previous Republican administrations --if not forever.
>
> I have always thought that, in the larger picture, Clinton was a
> patsy--like Oswald--intended to take the blame for all the illegalities
> and pecadillos of Bush et al., allowing them to come back into the
> arena later looking clean.
>
> And, if this is true, you have to give him some credit for his ability
> to duck and cover. When he came into office, Clinton looked like a
> healthy young man. The pictures I see of him lately, he looks
> positively ashen and almost aged. In only a decade?
>
> Mind you, I'm not condoning these activities (which are
> horrendous), but Clinton certainly didn't invent them. Hoover might
> have gotten them from Caesar, Nero, or Calligula. And Bush
> certainly used them during the Regan era.
>
> sno0wl
>

If you read about Bush and the rest you realize that theyare shilling for someone
elses ideas.
You will need to dig deeper than that.
Piper


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If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will
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Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
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Re: [CTRL] TOP SECRET FBI Pimp Files (fwd)

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>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 99-11-11 04:58:22 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >Allegations that the Clinton administration authorized the FBI to
> >use prostitutes first surfaced in INSIGHT magazine. Investigative
> >journalist Tim Maier wrote that under-age male and female
> >prostitutes were being used to obtain intelligence information
> >from foreign diplomats during the December 1993 Asia Pacific
> >Economic Conference (APEC) in Seattle Washington.
> >
> >Yet, the question of whether the Clinton administration used
> >minors as prostitutes to obtain intelligence information on
> >foreign diplomats remains open for debate.
> >
> >Federal officials also admitted that the use of under-age or
> >untrained civilians in intelligence operations poses a
> >significant risk and may be illegal under some circumstances.
> >According to the same law enforcement officials, the information
> >obtained is so important to U.S. national security that all
> >necessary means, including prostitution, must be exploited to
> >obtain it.
> >
> > ... The Clinton administration's use of such drastic means
> >for a so-called "economic" conference has raised questions about
> >state-sponsored commercial espionage.  Is export money enough
> >justification to use children as sex-slaves and spies?
>

Subject:   Re: [CTRL] TOP SECRET FBI Pimp Files (fwd) Date:
Thu, 11 Nov 1999 06:50:16 EST
From:  Das GOAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> How naive can we be?  In the underworld economy of espionage and organized
> crime, which are almost indistinguishable, the primary currencies used are
> not ONLY "illegal drugs" and "black-market weapons."  Just as valuable as
> either is SEX -- but, especially when sex is routine and cheap, for "sex" to
> have ANY value as a currency, it MUST be "taboo" sex, forbidden by law or
> just by normal (public) moral standards -- a kind of rare "delicacy,"
> obtainable only by the the ultra-rich or the ultra-privileged, for whom being
> able to push the envelope of the "permissible" to the EXTREME is an essential
> definer of "elite" status. (Power isn't really "power" unless one is free
> --FREE-- to ABUSE it.)
> In more Victorian times, the "buzz" used to be homosexuality.  Today it's
> pedophilia.
> OF COURSE it's not only immoral but ILLEGAL  The flip side of POWER is its
> RISK --
> so one is never welcomed into the circle of the powerful except by
> double-edged gifts
> which can, if PUBLICLY revealed, DESTROY one.  "Secret societies" are
> "secret" for a
> good practical reason.  Shared GUILT is a strong BOND and GUARANTEES silence.
> Om

 I take exception to this idea!  This is what some are trying to say of
Capitalism (example: Bill Gates and Ross Perot)
I do not consider Clinton a example of anything but SUB Human
He is not Satanic (they "seem to" normally study and have more elaborate
rites to joining than just raping nationalities or sadism or cannibalism.
I always heard that you actually had to have a usable brain of your own.

So, are you implying that the end all of money and power is to be able
to flout the rules and laws?  If this idea has gotten as far as people like
you then I guess America is lost!
Laura Lee Lanning-Shipton
aka The Pied Piper
p.s. that is one tune that I will not play...
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The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will
be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
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My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
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[CTRL] VBS/Bubbleboy {a MS Explorer mail virus}

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The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
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Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
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My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
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Title: VBS/Bubbleboy















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Virus NameVBS/Bubbleboy

Date Added11/8/99

Virus Characteristics
This is an Internet worm that requires Internet Explorer 5 with Windows Scripting Host installed (WSH is standard in Windows 98 and Windows 2000 installations). It does not run on Windows NT due to hard-coded limitations. The Internet worm is embedded within an email message of HTML format and does not contain an attachment. This worm is written in VB Script. There are two variants; the .b variant is encrypted. 

In MS Outlook, this worm requires that you "open" the email. It will not run if using "Preview Pane".

In MS Outlook Express, the worm is activated if "Preview Pane" is used!

In both the above, if security settings for Internet Zone in IE5 are set to High, the worm will not be executed.  The vulnerability exploited by this worm has been addressed by Microsoft with a security patch. Installing this Internet Explorer patch will prevent the execution of this worm under default security settings. Network Associates recommends to apply this patch for all desktops running IE. 

Microsoft "scriplet.typelib/Eyedog" Patch

After the VB Script executes, it writes the file UPDATE.HTA to the local machine and during the next Windows startup, the .HTA file is invoked. The UPDATE.HTA file is coded to do the following-

* Change the registered owner via the registry to "BubbleBoy"
 
* Change the registered organization to "Vandelay Industries"
 
* Send itself embedded in an email message to EVERY contact in EVERY EMAIL ADDRESS BOOK of MS Outlook
 
* Sets the registry key to indicate that the email distribution has occurred. (Email distribution will not be repeated.)
 
 
The email is a message with the following information:
 
 
From: (person who sent worm unintentionally)
Subject: BubbleBoy is back!

Message Body: The BubbleBoy incident, pictures and sounds

http://www.towns.com/dorms/tom/bblboy.htm 

 

Re: [CTRL] Vaccine links -Dave

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Dave,
May I put the original set of links on my web site
With your wording?
Tried to send you a e-mail on the side but could not get
through, so I will ask on list.
The Pied Piper

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[CTRL] Peru Probes Child Food-Poisoning Deaths

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The true test is to give a person power.

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Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
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He told me to be in the first group -
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CUSCO, Peru (Reuters) - Peruvian authorities began
investigating Saturday how at least 26 schoolchildren, some as
young as four, died in a remote Andean village after eating
breakfast cereal apparently contaminated by insecticide.
Doctors at a hospital in the historic town of Cusco were
fighting to save 20 more children who collapsed after consuming
cookies and cereal mixed with milk at school Friday. Two of the
children were in serious condition, the hospital said.
While the official toll was 26, the school's director and
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deaths -- some of whom died as they walked home.
Within half an hour of a communal breakfast for about 60
students aged up to 14 in the village of Huasac, children
started retching with stomach cramps and collapsing around the
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bellies. Some were dead, others were writhing on the grass and
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"About 20 minutes after eating the breakfast, the children
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themselves.
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breakfast," Holguer Lovon, director of the Cusco hospital,
said.
Doctors said they expected more ill children to arrive
Saturday from the remote Paucartambo area around Huasac, some
hours by rough road from Cusco.
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[CTRL] Fwd: Organic View - An e-mail publication of the Organic Consumers Association

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Organic View - An e-mail publication of the Organic
Consumers Association

The Organic Consumers Association is affiliated with the
Campaign for Food Safety

v.1 n.15October 14, 1999

Contents
1. Bonior letter Update  - Legislation Coming
2. Why Labeling?
3. Hain To Start Labeling GMO-Free
4. Cuban Organic Farming Association Wins Alternative Nobel
Prize
5. Activists Gear Up For World Trade Meeting in Seattle
6. Monsanto Halts Terminator Research
7. Important Recent Articles


1. Bonior Letter Update  - Legislation Coming

Thanks to the many of you who contacted your US
Representative or Senator regarding House Minority Whip
David Bonior's (D-MI) letter to the Food and Drug
Administration (FDA) calling for the labeling of genetically
engineered food. (See Organic View, n.14
http://www.organicconsumers.org/RecentNews.stm#action)

As we go to press, the following US Representatives have
signed on to the Bonior letter: Michael Capuano (D-MA); Bill
Clay (D-MO); Peter DeFazio (D-OR); Loyd Doggett (D-TX);
Barney Frank (D-MA); Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD); Dennis Kucinich
(D-OH); George Miller (D-CA); Patsy Mink (D-HI); ); Martin
Sabo (D-MN); Christopher Shays (R-CT); Mike Thompson (D-CA);
Tom Udall (D-NM).

The deadline for getting additional signers has been
extended. So if you have not already, please contact your
member of Congress and ask that they sign on to the Bonior
letter to the FDA. You can find the mailing address, phone,
or e-mail directly your US Representatives at:
(http://www.house.gov/writerep/) If you wish, you can call
the national Capitol switchboard and ask to speak to your
Representative by calling toll-free 1-888-449-3511 (just
give them your zip code if you are not sure who your Rep
is).

Legislation Expected  - Representative Dennis Kucinich
(D-OH) will be introducing a bill in the next several weeks
that calls for the mandatory labeling of genetically
engineered foods. The bill is in its final stages of
development, and we will report its specific contents as
soon as it is made available. The bill may include a
provision which would exclude farmers from liability if
genetically engineered material spreads to other farms,
focusing possible future liability litigation on the biotech
industry, rather than farmers. We will keep you updated in
the coming weeks.

2. Why Labeling?

OCA firmly believes that genetically engineered crops pose
serious environmental and human health risks that have not
been adequately tested, and are a direct threat to organic
food production.

For these reasons, we are actively working toward:
(1) the labeling of genetically engineered foods and crops
until they are removed from the market;
(2) the removal of genetically engineered foods and crops
from the market;
(3) comprehensive pre-market safety testing of all
genetically engineered foods and crops.

The largest obstacle to fighting genetically engineered
foods is the lack of consumer awareness. Poll after poll has
found that between 80 and 95 percent of US consumers want
labeling. A Gallup poll released earlier this month found
that 68 percent of consumers would actually pay more to
cover labeling costs for genetically engineered foods. That
same poll found that only 10 percent of consumers have heard
much about genetically engineered foods.

A vigorous fight to label genetically engineered foods helps
raise public awareness about the issue, identify
policy-makers who share our concerns, and educate the media.
Not least of all, comprehensive labeling would respect
consumers' fundamental right-to-know what they are eating.
Labeling would give consumers the opportunity to directly
pressure food companies that use genetically engineered
ingredients, and support those who do not. Additionally, it
lays the groundwork to demand pre-market environmental and
human health safety testing.

However, we should be clear that the labeling of genetically
engineered foods and crops does not directly protect organic
farmers. The risks of genetically engineered material
drifting to neighboring organic farms would still exist. So
would increased pest resistance to the valuable natural
pesticide Bt - a common tool for organic farmers. And of
course, the plethora of environmental and human health risks
posed by this technology would still not effectively be
addressed.

Additionally, there is the possibility that labeling
language will be so vague, or in such small print, that it
will become meaningless. As efforts to label genetically
engineered foods and crops escalate in the US, let's keep in
mind the limits of labeling - and what we are all ultimately
working toward - the removal of genetically engineered foods
from our food supply.

3. Hain To Start Labeling GMO-Free

Earlier this month, Hain Food Group announced that it will
label its Little Bear line of natural snacks as genetically
engineered - free. Hain is switching the oil it uses in its
fryers from corn to safflower, a plant yet to be genetically
en

Re: [CTRL] WHALE & DOLPHIN ALERT!

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Worse case scenario for this is that it could
also kill bacteria and coral that help biodegrade
those biodegradable.

With the potential of the bacteria
(that seems to live in a symbiotic relationship with oil
and other chemicals) being a pathogen to fish and
mammals.

If we kill all the bacteria that help us stay alive
will we go out like the dinosaurs?
The Pied Piper

--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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Re: [CTRL] Time for civil disobedience (fwd)

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"The American Nation" 9th edition by Garraty, John A.
Published 1998 by addison-Wesley p.841 (but also check out pages 838-840)

...(In 1968 yippies went through the motions of nominating a pig named Pigassus
for president.)...

-- my comment * Hippies and thier drugs were a nice step stone into Crack --

"Charles Reich, a professor at Yale, praised the
hippie view of the world in The Greening of America
(1970), dignifying it with the title Consciousness
III.  Reich's Consciousness I was the do-it-yourself,
laissez-faire approach to life--having "more faith in
winning than in love"; Consciousness II was the
psychology of "liberal intellectuals" and "members
of the Communist Party, U.S.A." and the Kennedys
--marked by faith in institutional solutions to
problems.  Reich taught a course on Individualism in
America.  One semester he had over 500 students,
not one of whom failed.  According to the Yale
Course Guide, published by students, Professor Reich
"thinks kids are neat and what can be bad about
someone telling you how the system and the older
generation have warped and destreoyed things for us?"...

-- My comment * Mind control?  also it does not tell when he taught the other
courses
was he a professor when Bush Jr. was there and are these history course???--



Tenorlove wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> --- Das GOAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> < the door to the Sixties. You wouldn't want THAT kind of decade to
> happen again, now, would you?>>
>
> Since it was before my time and I never got to be a teenager anyway (or
> a kid for that matter) I would like to have it back just long enough to
> do all that stuff that they did back then & still get away with it..
> __
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> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will
be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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Re: [CTRL] Majority Rules: When ETs (bacteria) are the Majority

[piper]

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This is the web page
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/es_major.htm

And though it will be the basis for a SF book the
Science part of it is true.  If I were taking odds
humans would NOT get high odds.

Why did mammals evolve while dinosaurs died?
What bacteria lost the fight to live?
Why are Crocodiles (a much smaller edition of what was)
still alive?
Conservation of food, bacteria and plants need fertilizer
but they do not like dying.  Dinosaurs would have gone after trees
highly evolved bacteria, highly evolved survival characteristics -
any time a major center of learning was put in place it ended up
destroyed - when they bogarted their fertilizer and ate badly.

Bacteria evolve but do not necessarily care if we have brains
Use your brains (as the human race) or lose them.

piper wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Majority Rules: When ETs are the Majority
>
> When you read this, remember that my background is
> * not Conspiracy - but in Science Fiction!
> This is the basis of the SF book - series that I am putting togeather.
> I need to find somewhere to publish.
> As far as someone doing it better than me - I have over 32 years
> of a SF referernece database in my brain - I have not slowed down
> since I started putting this togeather in 1988 and can continue where
> others stall out. FEY. Fairy Tales and if the parents can not take
> care of their children the Fairies will!
> I was told that if I could put this togeather that it would be worth
> the Nobel Peace Prize to this preface IS also the copyright any forward of
> this e-mail better be the WHOLE thing including signature line!
> You Have Been Warned!
> The Pied Piper
> Laura Lee Lanning - Shipton
>
> Majority Rules: When ETs are the Majority
> * many infectous deseases came from the European Countient
> * bacteria mutated against the human animal
> WHY
>
> * cytobacteria evolved
> * plants evoved to flowering because of bacteria
> * complexity of plants and the bacteria that lives with them
> * animals evoved to help plants
> * six major (life) contienents
> * six major plant forms (speculated) I need more knowledge here
> * six major movable life forms (insect, fish, amphibian, reptile, bird,
> and mammal)
> * six major energy sources (speculated)
> * six days to create Earth
> * six - Not the mark of the Demon - but a reference that has been hidden
> * bacteria replicates asexual and sexual
> asexual - sission (binary and multiple), budding, gemmulation, and
> fragmentation.
> Turkeys have been know to be able to have spontaneous
> parthenogenetic development and the resulting young will be sexually /
> reproductivly viable.
> * bacteria is empathic (possibly telepathic)
> which means that since some reproduces by asexual division each one
> has the survival insticts of the original.
>
> * bacteria has a high survival index - when you add in the bacteria that
> lives in things that are deadly to biological life - such as gas and
> oil
>
> what would it do if able to fight biological life from inside?
> Example: adding petrochemicals to our food supply - plant and animal.
> Would it see the need for biological life to survive?
> What if it were telepathic and saw that it was being killed, burned
> up?
> ** http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/Times/frontpage.html?1946312 **
> ** November 25 1998 MIND ADN MATTER -- Nigel Hawkes **
> ** Is this how life really began? **
> * anytime a major center of knowledge was put togeather it was destroyed
> * anytime humans congreaged they started bogating their waste fertilizer
> bacteria - started cutting down too many trees
> * The Europeans that came to the N. American Continent were
> homicidal / suicidal because bacteria wanted to thin them down.
> -- again think of all the deseases that they carried --
> Which bacteria was in the majority then? Which petro chemical
> bacteria could be spreading now?
>
> These are just the ones that have had the most aknolegement
> -- A major level was reached with the start of the Jewish race --
> The origianal message was fragmented
> ** education **
> -- A major level was reached with the idea of Christ --
> The original message has been fragemtned
> ** education **
> -- again with the Universitys of Austria, Russia, Germany, England and
> more. --
> Education was becoming widespread and
> trickleing down to the common people
> something that some started complaining about.
> Time Line of Technology
> http://www.mediahistory.com/time/alltime.html
> 1899-1903 Mark Twain's Anti-Imperialist Writings including the
> Philippine-American war.
> 1900 Germany pioneered the development of Electrical and chemical
> engineering. "Education,
> concentrating on science an

[CTRL] Majority Rules: When ETs (bacteria) are the Majority

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

Majority Rules: When ETs are the Majority


When you read this, remember that my background is
* not Conspiracy - but in Science Fiction!
This is the basis of the SF book - series that I am putting togeather.
I need to find somewhere to publish.
As far as someone doing it better than me - I have over 32 years
of a SF referernece database in my brain - I have not slowed down
since I started putting this togeather in 1988 and can continue where
others stall out. FEY. Fairy Tales and if the parents can not take
care of their children the Fairies will!
I was told that if I could put this togeather that it would be worth
the Nobel Peace Prize to this preface IS also the copyright any forward of
this e-mail better be the WHOLE thing including signature line!
You Have Been Warned!
The Pied Piper
Laura Lee Lanning - Shipton


Majority Rules: When ETs are the Majority
* many infectous deseases came from the European Countient
* bacteria mutated against the human animal
WHY


* cytobacteria evolved
* plants evoved to flowering because of bacteria
* complexity of plants and the bacteria that lives with them
* animals evoved to help plants
* six major (life) contienents
* six major plant forms (speculated) I need more knowledge here
* six major movable life forms (insect, fish, amphibian, reptile, bird,
and mammal)
* six major energy sources (speculated)
* six days to create Earth
* six - Not the mark of the Demon - but a reference that has been hidden
* bacteria replicates asexual and sexual
asexual - sission (binary and multiple), budding, gemmulation, and
fragmentation.
Turkeys have been know to be able to have spontaneous
parthenogenetic development and the resulting young will be sexually /
reproductivly viable.
* bacteria is empathic (possibly telepathic)
which means that since some reproduces by asexual division each one
has the survival insticts of the original.

* bacteria has a high survival index - when you add in the bacteria that
lives in things that are deadly to biological life - such as gas and
oil

what would it do if able to fight biological life from inside?
Example: adding petrochemicals to our food supply - plant and animal.
Would it see the need for biological life to survive?
What if it were telepathic and saw that it was being killed, burned
up?
** http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/Times/frontpage.html?1946312 **
** November 25 1998 MIND ADN MATTER -- Nigel Hawkes **
** Is this how life really began? **
* anytime a major center of knowledge was put togeather it was destroyed
* anytime humans congreaged they started bogating their waste fertilizer
bacteria - started cutting down too many trees
* The Europeans that came to the N. American Continent were
homicidal / suicidal because bacteria wanted to thin them down.
-- again think of all the deseases that they carried --
Which bacteria was in the majority then? Which petro chemical
bacteria could be spreading now?

These are just the ones that have had the most aknolegement
-- A major level was reached with the start of the Jewish race --
The origianal message was fragmented
** education **
-- A major level was reached with the idea of Christ --
The original message has been fragemtned
** education **
-- again with the Universitys of Austria, Russia, Germany, England and
more. --
Education was becoming widespread and
trickleing down to the common people
something that some started complaining about.
Time Line of Technology
http://www.mediahistory.com/time/alltime.html
1899-1903 Mark Twain's Anti-Imperialist Writings including the
Philippine-American war.
1900 Germany pioneered the development of Electrical and chemical
engineering. "Education,
concentrating on science and technology, was the basis of German
technological progress."
(1) 1903 First Powered Flight by the Wright Brothers
1905 Einstein Therory of Relativity. Alber Einstein Born in Germany,
Worked in a Swiss patent
office.
1909 English Channel flown over by the Frenchman Louis Bleriot with a monoplane
1910 Mark Twain - dies (1835-1910)
1912 start of Income Tax with Pres. Wilson

-- The Hapsburgs family line had ties by blood or marrage with most if not all
of the ruling
families on the Europeon Continent (from Russia to Spain and England) - so this
was a family
fight of who was right.

* The Hapsburg house was divided - I assume that they were told that they were
not needed
any more
* what do you do with a General when the General is told that they are old hat

So, is the Empire dead? Is the original fight dead? NO!

-- Science and Education trickle down (still it takes time for new ideas to come
into play)
BUT when technology is at a fast pace and some want control, those that want
control can
make it seem as if the ones at the bottom are being left out.

-- "The Balkans seethed with rebellion against the once-mighty empire of the
Hapsburgs, now
regarded as the 'jailer of the Slavs'.
1914 Archduke Franz Ferdinand assassinated,

Re: [CTRL] FW: Food First Releases "America Needs Human Rights"

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

With the way they have the patent office blocked up
Education and technology take time to trickle down
into common use, and it has been proved that computers do
not do away with jobs that they can create them.
So, they are making the food not as healthy
keeping other technology blocked up and "Surplus" to
rationalize taking control and keeping some trained seals.
they want to do away with the military before matter transmission
and (not cloning) replication come on line and the military gives
it away.
control of space by having reproduction by cloning
Surplus = artificial made

people can control their own reproduction if allowed
This is not a survival characterize!  This is an attempt to excuse a
monopoly.

What people need to (since it seems as if some have agreed to the surplus)
is
How far do they intend to go
Read my next post
"Majority Rules"

Dave wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Dave Hartley
> http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
> http://www.ioa.com/~davehart
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Anuradha Mittal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 10:05 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Food First Releases "America Needs Human Rights"
>
> For Immediate Release
>
> Contact: Ms. Anuradha Mittal
>  October 19, 1999Tel: (510) 
>654-4400
>
> New Book Offers a Fresh View of the State of Our Union, Based on Human
> Rights: Does Deepening Poverty Amid the Plenty of a Booming Economy
> Violate Human Rights?
>
> Food First/The Institute for Food and Development Policy releases:
> America Needs Human Rights
> Edited by Anuradha Mittal and Peter Rosset
>
> "America Needs Human Rights provides a cogent analysis of fundamental
> problems that disfigure our society, along with guidelines for
> addressing them in a constructive way. It is accessible, informative,
> and compelling."
> - Noam Chomsky, Nobel Laureate
>
>  "I have seen hunger and starvation emerge as primary weapons used to
> rob entire populations of their will, their dignity, their health, and
> their freedom. All persons of good will and democratic ideals must
> recognize the right to food as one of the great challenges of the next
> millennium. America Needs Human Rights places economic justice at the
> forefront of the struggle for universal human rights."
> - John Conyers, Jr., Member of Congress, Michigan
>
> Oakland, CA-The Oakland-based policy think tank, Food First/The
> Institute for Food and Development Policy, today released a book that
> takes a fresh look at hunger and poverty in America, this time through
> the lens of human rights.  The editors of the book conclude that current
> social policy in the United States violates universally recognized human
> rights standards, and call for a human rights-based movement to change
> these policies.
>
> America may be in the midst of an economic boom, but millions of
> Americans are not sharing the benefits. While the wealthy grow richer,
> millions of poor working Americans grope for their infinitesimal share
> of the boom.  The gap between rich and poor in America is approaching
> its worst point in fifty years and is the largest such gap among
> eighteen industrialized countries. Despite glowing media reports on our
> economy, hunger affects an estimated thirty-six million Americans, at
> least fourteen million of whom are children. One in five children under
> the age of five lives in poverty-the highest rate among industrialized
> countries. The number of uninsured Americans has increased to over 44.3
> million. It doesn't have to be that way in a nation like ours. America
> Needs Human Rights is a call to reverse those priorities.
>
> In America needs Human Rights, editors, Anuradha Mittal and Peter Rosset
> argue that the wealth and resources clearly exist in the U.S. for every
> man, woman and child to have a roof over their heads, food in their
> bellies, and access to decent education, health care, and a job that
> pays a living wage. Ms. Mittal, Policy Director at the Institute,
> explains that, "the very survival of our democratic system depends on
> breaking out of the narrow confines of conventional political views. We
> need to focus on public policy issues affecting hunger and poverty in
> America as social and economic human rights issues. Organizing and
> creating new alliances, and shifting basic terms on which America's
> public debate takes place, using the framework of human rights, is the
> hope that guides us into the new century," said Mittal.
>
> America Needs Human Rights argues that it is a systematic and widespread
> violation of the most basic of human rights for so many to go without,
> amid so much plenty. In the past, the U.S. government has applied the
> framework of human rights selectively to mostly Third World countries.
> "The time has come," said co-editor Rosset, who is the Executive
> Director of the Institute, "to take a hard look at our huma

[CTRL] Legal Help needed - reference type

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

I need some book that can tell me the basics of court cases
involving children.  Please excuse the wording, I know enough
about English (have not completed Eng. Comp 2) to know that
this would be a rotten essay.  And yes the following information
is True and about me.

My ex-husband was born in Germany on a military base
in 1963.  He has four nipples and used to say "Thank Heavens
God got that udder idea out of his mind"  he also had to have
excess fat taken out of his chest area - under the upper set of nipples.

Kisssinger had to sign a copy of the birth certificate for
my ex-husband's mother -
to allow her new husband to adopt him and his sister.

My ex-husband's bio-father and his sister have high profile
jobs which require travel.  They seem to have thought
that they might have a genetic problem with having children-
(I do not think that they had knowledge of organophosphates)
she adopted instead.

The bio-father and his new (30 year) family
potential of backing the statistics of the Kinsey report
and of capitalists.  He snorted when I had the kids say
grace.

"Thank You God for the food before us and the family
around us."  I do not want the kids taking things for
granted or to think that someone else should support them
 - I do not like plagiarism!

They have put my boy on Ritalin previously (illegally)
My ex did not have permission under the divorce degree.

I know that putting this out on the open list could
generate interest by different people - please read
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/es_major.htm
Also think of this - I like to shrink, Shrinks!
I do not envy the Shrinks their 2000 convention in
Switzerland... I have a feeling that the ones that consider themselves
Lord will have a problem - they will not realize.

I am getting ready to try to move the case to Waco
and need advice on what book to read to be able to
do a "Change of Venue" on my own.  I have lived in
Waco before and moved back with the children
in 1994.  I was Pi Theta Kappa before the ex- started
pushing.

the majority of the ex-relatives live in North or South Carolina.

I have two minor children that the ex-relatives are trying to
bribe into leaving me and I need to figure out how to take
it to court without it costing me a bundle.  For the last
5 years it has been a tug of war, with each side ending
up being stymied because of (court type) conflicts of interest
(as far as lawyers or shrinks wanting to handle this)

Why do I have to watch the financial?  I am a student and
I (seem to) have had "gremlins" or some such stuff.  It has been
a weird financial time what with having to repair my brakes
three times in the last 5 months and many of the other things
that have happened in the last 3 years.

Bottom line
* Even with knowing about my web site they do not seem
to know enough to stay out of the way of chemicals.
* I do not need my children going up into that bio-hazard of
a family or to have the bio-grandfathers new wife use my
children to make hers look good.
that new wife makes Cinder's step seem like an angel.

--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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Re: [CTRL] Jon Benet Ramsey

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 -Caveat Lector-

zero population growth
pedophiles saying that children as young as 6
should decide their sexual orientation
99% of the pictures of her are dressed up as
a "young" adult * like look sex is not
chronological!
many female Asians would look like children to
the average American (no "obvious" muscles)
yet I wonder if they will soon try females of this
non muscular type on tv - looking at some lingerie
commercials, I see that they are.  Attempting
to say that children are sexual objects?


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 10/16/1999 8:43:01 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > I am quite surprised that I have seen little of this case mentioned here in
> >  the last couple of days what with the grand jury being dismissed with no
> >  findings.  It was a topic of discussion for some time but now apparently
> has
> >  ceased to be of importance to us.
>
> Oh, I've done little else these last days but re-read up on this case and
> discuss it in other forums.  It is a terribly important case.  Unfortunately,
> I have not been successful in drumming up much interest, though I've been
> doling out info and pushing to the point of sheer rudeness.
> It is completely impossible to overestimate the importance of this case.
> It's hugely pivotal.  I would have hoped our society was no so terribly
> unhealthy that the powers-that-be would not have resigned themselves to
> surrendering "some of their own" being that there is such an intense
> spotlight focused here.
> The arrogance in the cover-up of this crime is truly shocking.  The depth
> of the protection of these military/industrial complex drones, as well as the
> cover-up itself, are near in their breadth to the JFK assassination!  It's
> mind-boggling.
>  I've been deeply moved by the heroic efforts of former Detective Arndt
> in trying to get her info out.  She was interviewed on Good Morning America a
> few weeks back and she has a chilling story to tell.  She was the first
> detective on the scene.  She has been scapegoated and criticized and nearly
> personally broken over this case.  As long as she remained on the force, she
> was unable to speak publicly.  She received so much criticism, was never
> allowed to defend herself, and was never defended by anyone on the force in
> the face of lies told about her, that she now has a lawsuit pending against
> the police department.  She has resigned and is speaking out.  Please look
> over the transcripts of the show.
> http://www.jameson245.com/dcf/documents/19.html
>  http://www.jameson245.com/dcf/documents/19.html">"ARNDT GMA
> TRANSCRIPTS"
>
> Samm
>
> 
>
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--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will
be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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gives no endor

Re: [CTRL] [prj] HOW TO DEFEAT STATISM

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Joe Feck wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 10/14/99 5:01:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > Statism is the doctrine that maintains that your life, money and
> >  property
> >   are not yours.  It is the idea that you may only take those actions
> >   permitted by the state, that you may be forced to surrender your money
> >  to
> >   the state or forbidden to spend it as you please, that you may not use
> >  and
> >   dispose of your property as you see fit.
>
> everything previously prohibited is now mandatory!
>

Zero Population*- Safe kids (cloned)
*- Safe Parents (crèche)
*- Safe Education (virtual reality)
*- Safe Sex (virtual reality) - Look Ma no hand or SD's
- They have finally found a way to tax sex! -
Why*
** Do **
*** I ***
** Not **
* Feel *

SAFE ???

=
Take out the Hapsburgs for control
then when space was found / understood
They want all travelers to be female for control through reproduction.
bacteria will not allow it.
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/major.htm

absolute control
corrupts absolutely

--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will
be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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Re: [CTRL] SMOKE AND MIRRORS ABOUT GE FOOD LABELLING

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Is this the same organization that Hillary Clinton
supports through contributions to their area
that produces X, XX and XXX films as a art form?
Films that have "lesbians" (actually sadists, the homosexuals
that I have known have had manners as good as many heterosexuals)
talk about why they aren't going to kill their lovers yet!
The Pied Piper

Joe Feck wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
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> Original Message Follows
> From: Grassroots Media Network <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
> Subject: GE: SMOKE AND MIRRORS ABOUT GE FOOD LABELLING, agnet edited
> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:15:40 -0500 (CDT)
>
> SMOKE AND MIRRORS ABOUT GENETIC FOOD LABELLING
>   Oct. 6, 1999
> Ontario Corn Producers Association
> Some farm organizations have now joined those calling for
> the mandatory labelling of foods containing genetically modified
> ingredients, even when nutritionally identical to traditional products.
> These calls are based on the assumption that if consumers know
> what s in food and are properly informed, then most will readily
> accept the new technology - indeed purchase genetically enhanced
> (GE) products preferentially. It s interesting how this perspective
> clashes with that of Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, the Council of
> Canadians and other anti-biotech groups who see mandatory
> labelling as a means of eliminating GE food items from the
> marketplace entirely.
> European experience shows that the latter approach
> works, with food retailers and manufacturers having chosen to avoid
> usage of GE ingredients entirely (or so they say), rather than risk
> having their genetically modified food labelled as Frankenfood by
> the activists. Farm organizations committed to a label and inform
> strategy also seem to overlook the role of the media who are not so
> interested in informing as in fostering controversy. Anyone who has
> watched or listened to coverage by the (publicly funded) Canadian
> Broadcasting Corporation in recent months knows that balanced
> coverage is not a primary goal.
> But lost in all of this has been a fundamental question - if
> you re going to label GE food (even if it s nutritionally identical to
> other foods), then what do you label? The activists and pro-labelling
> farm groups say, do what the Europeans are doing. But it s
> obvious that none of them have examined European practices
> critically. For to do so would reveal that European labelling
> requirements are targeted almost exclusively (and conveniently) at
> genetic enhancements to corn, soybeans and canola - especially
> those enhanced products coming from North America. By contrast,
> the Europeans have carefully excluded their own forms of genetic
> modification.
> Take European barley as an example. The majority of
> European production, including (we re told) almost all malting
> varieties (used to make beer, whisky - including premium malt
> whiskies made exclusively from barley), are the product of mutation
> breeding, where barley plants are bombarded with nuclear
> radiation, and/or chemical mutagens such as mustard gas.
> European plant breeding literature is very open on the technology
> and its consequences: the mutagens used are virtually all powerful
> carcinogens, they create genes which do not exist in nature, and
> create other genetic damage which is not necessarily apparent to
> the plant breeder. Yet foods made with this are considered natural
> in Europe, and not subject to genetically modified labelling under
> European rules.
> Premium Glenlivet whisky made from nuked, or carcinogen-
> enhanced European barley? It s not labelled.
> The contrast with genetically modified corn, soybeans and
> canola, where the changes involve insertion of known, natural
> genes from common garden and other food plants, or from safe
> natural, organic pesticides, could not be more distinct. But the
> products made from these must be labelled in Europe, presumably
> with the full knowledge by European authorities that this will mean
> displacement of imported North American ingredients by those
> from European crops such as barley - the products of radiation-
> damaged or mustard-gas-mutated seeds.
> Major Japanese brewers, have recently announced plans
> to eliminate use of genetically modified corn, but not of Japanese-
> grown barley - though mutation breeding has been as prevalent in
> Japan as in Europe - is another example of the same hypocrisy.
> But the shell game extends well beyond European barley,
> to many other artificially mutated European crops - for the
> Europeans have been big on mutation breeding - and to many other
> foods. A large percentage of British cheese is made using, and
> contains, a curdling enzyme

Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) FarmBureau (Pt2)

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

Thank You for finding these
there is a link to failed savings and loans somewhere too
as well as psychology taking care of pedophiles - which
as the potential of allowing people from other beliefs
(that think pedifilia and slavery is natural) to target children
** expressly when the offices of those shrinks house the
school shrink - that hand out the Ritalin **
so - include the
Home School Legal Defense Fund
and
CHADD - Children and Adults with Attention Deficit Disorder
the other part of this article could imply a link with Coors beer
and through them Bohemian Groove - Goor, Dole, Pat Robinson.
The Pied Piper

Alamaine Ratliff wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> >From http://www.defenders.org/fbp02.html
>
> {{}}
> Farm Bureau vs. Nature
> by Vicki Monks
> Fall 1998
>
> Part 2
>
> Vicki Monks, a freelance writer in Santa Fe, New Mexico, reports
> frequently on wildlife and environmental issues.
>
>  Ask any Farm Bureau official at the county, state or national level how
> many actual farmers belong to the organization and it is likely you will not
> get a straight answer. "We feel like we represent eight out of ten American
> farmers," says Dick Newpher, executive director of AFBF's Washington, D.C.,
> office. But in fact, Newpher says he has no idea whether that statement is true
> because AFBF does not keep a central membership list that identifies who is a
> farmer and who is not. AFBF bylaws clearly spell out two categories of
> membership, however: voting members who are actively engaged in agriculture or
> retired from farming and associate members who are not farmers. Newpher says
> county and state farm bureaus keep separate records for the two member classes,
> but queries to several state farm bureaus did not produce answers, either.
> Texas Farm Bureau spokesman Gene Hall says TXFB membership records make no
> distinction.
>
> Because AFBF is a nonprofit organization (although some state affiliates
> have set up for-profit companies) it pays no taxes on income from
> membership dues. In 1993, the Internal Revenue Service ruled that dues
> from nonfarming associate members - the customers of Farm Bureau insurance
> companies and other businesses - should be taxed as business income. An
> IRS survey of these associate members had found that only five percent
> joined AFBF because of an interest in agriculture. The IRS ruling could
> have cost AFBF an estimated $32 million in taxes each year. But a group of
> members of Congress led by Representative David Camp (R-Michigan) came to
> the rescue. Legislation reversing the IRS decision won approval in 1996 as
> part of the tax-relief package under House Speaker Newt Gingrich's
> "Contract With America." During 1995 and 1996, political action committees
> affiliated with state farm bureaus contributed $109,824 to many of the 126
> sponsors and cosponsors of the Tax Fairness for Agriculture Act -
> including $16,480 to Camp. In recent years, AFBF and its state affiliates
> have developed cozy alliances with other conservative political groups,
> including many of the so-called wise- use organizations. AFBF works
> closely with more than a dozen of these groups, including several
> coalitions that are seeking to eviscerate the Endangered Species Act, roll
> back wetlands protections, lower clean air and water standards and thwart
> efforts to reduce global warming.
>
> Although these issues may have some bearing on agriculture, AFBF also uses
> its considerable clout to push policies that have no apparent connection
> to farming. For example, the Montana Farm Bureau (MTFB) lobbied to require
> that schools teach creationism on an equal basis with evolution. MTFB also
> wanted the state to ship convicted criminals to Mexico and promoted a
> resolution urging the United States to withdraw from the United Nations.
> AFBF's 1998 policy book calls for repeal of the nation's basic civil
> rights law, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and restoration of provisions
> in the 1872 Mining Act "that guarantee the rights and freedom of
> prospectors and miners." This law has allowed multinational corporations
> to extract billions of dollars in precious metals from public lands
> without paying royalties to the U.S. government. It contains no
> requirements for land reclamation and elevates mining above all other
> interests on public land, including wildlife habitat and clean water.
> Newpher paints a far more benign picture of the Farm Bureau's agenda. "We
> are probably the least selfish occupational group that there is in
> America," he boasts. "I don't see us taking strong legislative positions
> where we set out to be of harm to other parts of our society. I don&#x

Re: [CTRL] Creating, Patenting and Marketing of New Forms of Life

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please do not send things as files-
I will not open them!
- Anyone else have a comment? -
The Pied Piper


Joe Feck wrote:

>   
>
>   Name: PATENT~1.DOC
>PATENT~1.DOC   Type: Winword File (application/msword)
>   Encoding: base64



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The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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[CTRL] Majority Rules: When ETs are the Majority

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http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/site_map.htm#essays
Essays
* es_major.htm Majority Rules: When ETs are the Majority 06Oct1999 - 11kb
== Actual Link ==
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/es_major.htm
This is a summary of many of my other essays.
Will put the whole thing up by tomarrow
but the ET's are bacteria and more is being added from space
how are we to go to space when we do not know our survival index?
what the leaders are doing will advale them nothing!
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--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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Re: [CTRL] More "Get Paid to Surf" Sites

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I tried one of these before and it tried to take over,
but I took a look at the first one and it looks great.
Thank You
Pied Piper
===
Kindly use my MemberID while signing up,

MemberID: Hilary

To sign up, click here: http://www.valuepay.com/ref.asp?re=Hilary


Hilary A. Thomas wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Hi all,
>
> With the help of DanS, I've just located and signed up for a whole bunch of
> "get paid to surf" sites.
>
> I'm trying to organize the information as best as possible to make it easy
> for you.  Sign up for none, one or all.
>
> Remember the address I used for these sites is:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Some sites ask for my reference number or email address.  I'll just go
> right down the list to make it easy for you.
>
> This is a win-win for everyone, so jump aboard and earn some cash for
> hanging on the Net like I know you like to do anyway.
>
> Hitmaster (Data X Inc.):  Use the following URL and it will automatically
> add to my account:
> http://www.data-x.com/hitmaster/acc.asp?rid=21039
>
> UtopiaAd:  Use the following URL and it will automatically add to my
> account:
> http://www.utopiad.com/member/getPaid?refId=161855
>
> All community:  Use the following URL and it will automatically add to my
> account:
> http://AllCommunity.com/all.members/hilary/
>
> DotAd:  Use the following URL and it will automatically add to my account:
> http://www.dotad.com/Default.asp?ID=175911
>
> SharkHunt:  Use the following URL and it will automatically add to my
> account:
> http://www.sharkhunt.com/join/join.asp?shID=Hilary
>
> SendMoreInfo:  Use the following URL and it will automatically add to my
> account:
> http://www.sendmoreinfo.com/id/115670
>
> PayBar.  Use my ID# 1401181907 and go to:  http://www.paybar.com
>
> I have some more to send out, but this should get you started.
>
> Hilary
>
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--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will
be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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[CTRL] Bush family and Cherokee Cigarettes for $11.95+S&H IF auto shiped

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 -Caveat Lector-

For those that know how this might
link to "Skull and Bones"
you should get a kick out of this.  The tobacco
for these cigarettes is grown on the Cherokee
Reservation on North Carolina.

I wonder who owns (some of) the American Cigarette
companies?  Considering that Cuban Cigars are so
popular - I suspect that a part of the "Bay of Pigs"
might have been that Castro was attempting to
start public advertising for Cuban tobacco's
heather properties (no sugar?).
Additives Found in American Cigarettes
http://www.ameliaww.com/fpin/tobchem.htm

Yes, I will make money if anyone signs up
- which is something that does interest me! -
BUT I have been a member of this for over
a month and have not posted.  The main reason
that I am posting now is that I wonder if some of
the major brands of cigarettes have had a muzzle
placed on them -
Is Tobacco the actual heath problem - or is it the
additives that (some) companies add?
I am still checking on GM tobacco seed,
as well as the pesticides and herbicides used.
I do know that a couple of the selling points are
*this company does not put additives in the
cigarettes,
*and the tobacco is grown on the
Cherokee Reservation.
The actual membership is for a buyers club
that sells the cigarettes,
that I hope starts selling other "natural products"
- I am not saying organic - I am still checking
out the methods under which the tobacco is
grown -
http://www.cdbn.com/1805
--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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Re: [CTRL] Barnes called Guard to help Bush get in

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 Bush Family - Looking behind the Bushes
http://www.prorev.com/bush.htm

 George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography
http://www.radix.net?~tarpley/bushb.htm
Pied Piper


Linda Minor wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> This story doesn't appear to be dying.  It's made the rounds in Texas
> newspapers, and reporters are still asking about it.
>
> http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/today/news_4.html
>
> By Ken Herman
> American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
> Tuesday, September 28, 1999
>
> Former Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes put in a well-placed good word to help
> young George W. Bush get into the Air National Guard when thousands of
> Bush's contemporaries were shipping out to Vietnam, Barnes' lawyer said
> Monday.
>
> In a statement issued on his behalf, Barnes said he made the phone call to
> the head of the Texas Air National Guard at the request of the late Sidney
> Adger, a Houston oilman and longtime Bush family friend.
>
> But Barnes said nobody in the Bush family had asked him to intervene. When
> Bush joined the Guard in 1968, his father was a GOP congressman from
> Houston.
>
> "Neither Congressman Bush nor any other member of the Bush family asked for
> Barnes' help," the lawyer's statement said. "Barnes has no knowledge that
> Governor Bush or President Bush knew of Barnes' recommendation."
>
> The statement said Barnes "was contacted by Sid Adger and asked to recommend
> George W. Bush for a pilot position with the Air National Guard."
>
> At a Houston campaign stop on Monday, Bush said he did not know whether
> Barnes had intervened on his behalf in 1968.
>
> "I never asked for, (and) I don't believe I received, any special
> treatment," said Bush, who served in the Guard, based in Houston, from 1968
> to 1973.
>
> Bush's military record became part of a federal lawsuit when former Texas
> Lottery Director Lawrence Littwin alleged that Gtech, operator of the state
> lottery, was behind his 1997 firing after five months on the job.
>
> Littwin's lawsuit claims Gtech held sway over the Texas Lottery Commission
> because Barnes, Gtech's former lobbyist, had knowledge about how Bush got
> into the Guard. But Gtech had severed its ties with Barnes before Littwin
> was hired by the Lottery Commission.
>
> Gtech and Bush have denied any involvement in Littwin's firing.
>
> The governor, the front-running Republican presidential candidate, continued
> to defend his service as a fighter pilot in the Air National Guard.
>
> "I can tell you what happened," he said Monday. "Nothing happened. My Guard
> unit was looking for pilots, and I flew for the Guard."
>
> "I'm proud of my service," Bush added, "and any allegation that my dad asked
> for special favors is simply not true. . . . I didn't ask anybody to help
> get me to the Guard, either."
>
> A spokeswoman for the elder Bush has said that Adger was a close family
> friend but that the former president knew nothing about any attempts by
> Adger to get the younger Bush into the Guard.
>
> The statement issued on Barnes' behalf said he called Brig. Gen. James Rose,
> then the head of the Texas Air National Guard, and recommended Bush for a
> pilot slot, which was available at the time. Rose is now deceased.
>
> Last September, Barnes met with Midland oilman Don Evans, chairman of Bush's
> re-election campaign and now finance chairman for Bush's presidential bid,
> and told him about the efforts to get Bush into the Guard. The statement
> issued Monday on Barnes' behalf said Bush sent Barnes "a note thanking him
> for his candor in acknowledging that Barnes received no call from any member
> of the Bush family."
>
> Barnes' statement was issued Monday after a deposition that lasted more than
> five hours. Attorney Charles Burton, representing Barnes, declined to say
> whether the Guard question came up during the session at Barnes' downtown
> Austin office. But Littwin's lawyers, in court filings, have said it was
> among the main lines of questioning they wanted to pursue with Barnes.
>
> In motions earlier this month, Barnes claimed "executive privilege"
> protection against answering questions about whether he helped Bush get into
> the Guard. Burton said no objections were raised to questions asked Monday
> by Littwin's lawyers.
>
> Burton said the deposition is covered by a judge's confidentiality order and
> eventually could become public. "However, that order does not prevent
> (Barnes) from setting the media record straight on events occurrin

Re: [CTRL] For women--danger in feminine products

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

Why would tampons cause Toxic Shock syndrome if they
were so pure?
pied piper

Dave wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> I'm thinkin' hoax
>
> Found an industry-sponsored site that denies allegations:
> http://bodymatters.com/questions/questions4.html
>
> mebbe guerrilla advertising for the health food store tampons or sponges or
> ?
>
> Dave Hartley
> http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
> http://www.ioa.com/~davehart
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of earthman
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 2:33 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] For women--danger in feminine products
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Can anyone confirm this before I pass it on?
> I wouldn't want to waste their time with a hoax.
>
> Peter
>
> We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
> http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage
> Bargain Books
> http://bn.bfast.com/bfast/click/mid1349732?siteid=10734186&bfpage=b
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Tenorlove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 1:26 PM
> Subject: [CTRL] For women--danger in feminine products
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Got this in my email. I knew about the dioxin in white coffee filters,
> > but this is news to me
> >
> > Tenorlove
> > --
> > Subject:  WARNING for females... (O-Sh)
> > Please  pass on to as many women as possible . . .
> > If you use pads, but especially if you use tampons read this and pass
> > on to your friends (for the men receiving this email, please forward it
> > to your friends, significant others, sisters, mothers, daughters, etc.)
> > thanks! Have you heard that tampon makers include asbestos in tampons?
> > Why would they do this? Because asbestos makes you bleed more . . . if
> > you bleed more, you're going to need to use more. Why isn't this
> > against the law since asbestos is so dangerous? Because the powers that
> > be, in all their wisdom(not), did not consider tampons as being
> > ingested, and
> > therefore wasn't illegal or considered dangerous. This month's Essence
> > magazine has a small article about this and they mention two
> > manufacturers of a cotton tampon alternative. The companies are Organic
> > Essentials @ (800) 765-6491 and Terra Femme @ (800)755-0212. A woman
> > getting her Ph.D. at University of Colorado @ Boulder sent the
> > following: "I am writing this because women are not being informed
> > about the dangers of something most of us use - tampons. I am taking a
> > class this month and I have been learning a lot about biology and
> > woman, including much about feminine hygiene. Recently we have learned
> > that tampons are actually dangerous (for other reasons than TSS). I'll
> > tell you this, after learning about this in our class, most of the
> > females wound up feeling angry and upset with the tampon industry, and
> > I for one, am going to do something about it. To start, I want to
> > inform everyone I can, and email is the fastest way that I know how.
> > Here is the scoop: Tampons contain two things that are potentially
> > harmful: Rayon (for absorbency), and dioxin (a chemical used in
> > bleaching the products). The tampon industry is convinced that we, as
> > women, need bleached white products - in order to view the product as
> > pure and clean. The problem here is that the dioxin produced in this
> > bleaching process can lead to very harmful problems for a woman. Dioxin
> > is potentially carcinogenic (cancer-associated) and is toxic to the
> > immune and reproductive systems. It has also been linked to
> > endometriosis and lower sperm counts for men- for both, it breaks down
> > the immune system. Last September the Environmental Protection Agency
> > (EPA) reported that there really is no set "acceptable" level of
> > exposure to dioxin given that it is cumulative and slow to
> > disintegrate. The real danger comes from repeated contact (Karen
> > Houppert "Pulling the Plug on the Tampon Industry"). I'd say using
> > about 4-5 tampons a day, five days a month, for 38 menstruating years
> > is "repeated contact", wouldn't you? Rayon contributes to the danger of
> > tampons and dioxin because its a highly absorbent substance. Therefore,
> > when fibers from the tampons are left behind in the vagina (as it
> > usually occurs), it creates a breeding ground for the dioxin. It also
> > stays in a lot longer 

Re: [CTRL] For women--danger in feminine products

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

>Have you heard that tampon makers include asbestos in tampons?<
I can not comfirm the asbestos but the dioxion is true, check
your local heath food store for alturnative tampons.

I do not like tampons or antibacterial soap.
And any male that makes himself a biohazard
by using antibacterial soap before the horizontal
festivities is NOT getting festive with me

the Orientals outlawed tampons - late last year / early this year
none to be found - They have also won several law suits with
Novartis.  Wonder why it is hard to find these in the American
news?
Pied Piper

earthman wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Can anyone confirm this before I pass it on?
> I wouldn't want to waste their time with a hoax.
>
> Peter
>
> We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
> http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage
> Bargain Books
> http://bn.bfast.com/bfast/click/mid1349732?siteid=10734186&bfpage=b
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Tenorlove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 1:26 PM
> Subject: [CTRL] For women--danger in feminine products
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Got this in my email. I knew about the dioxin in white coffee filters,
> > but this is news to me
> >
> > Tenorlove
> > --
> > Subject:  WARNING for females... (O-Sh)
> > Please  pass on to as many women as possible . . .
> > If you use pads, but especially if you use tampons read this and pass
> > on to your friends (for the men receiving this email, please forward it
> > to your friends, significant others, sisters, mothers, daughters, etc.)
> > thanks! Have you heard that tampon makers include asbestos in tampons?
> > Why would they do this? Because asbestos makes you bleed more . . . if
> > you bleed more, you're going to need to use more. Why isn't this
> > against the law since asbestos is so dangerous? Because the powers that
> > be, in all their wisdom(not), did not consider tampons as being
> > ingested, and
> > therefore wasn't illegal or considered dangerous. This month's Essence
> > magazine has a small article about this and they mention two
> > manufacturers of a cotton tampon alternative. The companies are Organic
> > Essentials @ (800) 765-6491 and Terra Femme @ (800)755-0212. A woman
> > getting her Ph.D. at University of Colorado @ Boulder sent the
> > following: "I am writing this because women are not being informed
> > about the dangers of something most of us use - tampons. I am taking a
> > class this month and I have been learning a lot about biology and
> > woman, including much about feminine hygiene. Recently we have learned
> > that tampons are actually dangerous (for other reasons than TSS). I'll
> > tell you this, after learning about this in our class, most of the
> > females wound up feeling angry and upset with the tampon industry, and
> > I for one, am going to do something about it. To start, I want to
> > inform everyone I can, and email is the fastest way that I know how.
> > Here is the scoop: Tampons contain two things that are potentially
> > harmful: Rayon (for absorbency), and dioxin (a chemical used in
> > bleaching the products). The tampon industry is convinced that we, as
> > women, need bleached white products - in order to view the product as
> > pure and clean. The problem here is that the dioxin produced in this
> > bleaching process can lead to very harmful problems for a woman. Dioxin
> > is potentially carcinogenic (cancer-associated) and is toxic to the
> > immune and reproductive systems. It has also been linked to
> > endometriosis and lower sperm counts for men- for both, it breaks down
> > the immune system. Last September the Environmental Protection Agency
> > (EPA) reported that there really is no set "acceptable" level of
> > exposure to dioxin given that it is cumulative and slow to
> > disintegrate. The real danger comes from repeated contact (Karen
> > Houppert "Pulling the Plug on the Tampon Industry"). I'd say using
> > about 4-5 tampons a day, five days a month, for 38 menstruating years
> > is "repeated contact", wouldn't you? Rayon contributes to the danger of
> > tampons and dioxin because its a highly absorbent substance. Therefore,
> > when fibers from the tampons are left behind in the vagina (as it
> > usually occurs), it creates a breeding ground for the dioxin. It also
> > stays in a lot longer than it would with just cotton tampons. This is
> > also the reason why TSS (toxic shock syndrome) occurs. WHAT ARE THE
> >

[CTRL] UpDate of My Site

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

All that is really there is the map of what the site will be -but-
here is what I am working on.
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/site_map.htm

I have found that some of the old pages (of the site) have become
abreviated, so I will be updating them before I complete all of the new pages.
The Pied Piper
--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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[CTRL] Waco - pied piper [1]

[piper]

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I have had this in my drafts for a couple of weeks
and even though all the research links are not in -
thought I better post - while I have the time to.
the Pied Piper

little known fact:
Bush Jr. has just bought land in McLennan county, close to the
town of Crawford - which is also close to one of the major
dairies in this area.
This is important because
* McLennan county is Waco,
* the two year college in Waco
   is called McLennan Community College
* Waco has had a running battle with dairy(s)
   waste in the water shed (Waco Lake)
* Will he be testing Monsanto's GM seed on his
   acres?
* How many herbicides and pesticides will he add?
* There is (was in Aug and early Sept 1999) a billboard
  (in Belmead) a satellite town of
   Waco -  That asks "Will U.N. troops come to Texas?"
* the city line of Belmead is also the city line of Lacy Lakeview
  where Raytheon of (Raytheon Missile Systems) is also located.
* the government has some chemical weapons - what delivery
   system do they use?  Could Monsanto be one of the chemical
  companies, since Monsanto also produced Agent Orange?
  Could Monsanto, Raytheon, Bush, and the Branch Davidians
  be conected?
* What nationality would the troops be?  So, U.N. just
   thought to be U.N., or with the complete knowledge of
   the U.N.?
* What religion were the branch Davidians practicing?
   with talk of children - people being burned and drowned?
Subject:   [CTRL] Fwd: SNET: Child Abuse At Waco (2)
 Date:  Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:10:50 EDT
 From:  William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Reply-To:  Conspiracy Theory Research List
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

   To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

**Who did David Koresh have a shoot out
   with for control of the Branch Davidians?
 the person who was their leader had also
   run for US President and had to have some
   contacts at the government level.  Could he
   have been thought of as one of the choices
   until Clinton came into the lime light?

* in Texas it is our God given right to home school but look what
   and the Christian religion was not the start of homeschooling BUT
   That Home Schoolers Need to be under
   the Umbrella of a Church or Religious Group.
   http://www.home-ed-press.com/INF/FREE/hsinfo_far1.html
 * Bush Jr. is talking about taking money from the underachieving
schools and giving it to private schools.  America's private schools
are primarily religious ones which have not really been under
state or government control - unless they start using government
funds (start using that cookie jar)

* Bush Sr. pedophile [1]
* Bush Sr. losing companies because he used
them to help the Germans against America
* Belgium pedophiles
* Belgium NATO
* shirk convention in Switzerland in 2000

Bottom line how do you control people in space
to tie them to you where you would have control?
* make it where they could not have young

[1]
>Tarpley, Webster G. & Anton Chaiktin.
"The Unauthorized Biography of George Bush" 1992. 15 Apr. 99 <
"http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bushb.htm#Table" >
This book follows the Bush family connections from
1914 to the present. From the time of George's grandfather,
Samuel P. Bush, the Bush family has attempted to
stay involved in politics. The book seems to show that since
the family could not rate by having royal blood lines
(or if they did that they were not of the best mind set)
or by having a high degree of education, that they would try
to control by a philosophy of "The one with the most
money makes the rules." They believe in "racial cleansing"
and have cultivated people like Adolph Hitler.

Ewall, Mike.
"It's no accident that Coors is the right beer in America."
Corporate Accountability Project 12 Dec.
1995. 15 Apr. 1999
< http://www.corporations.org/coors/index.html >
Mike Ewall's article Should be titled
"The Other Adolph, Adolph Coors of Coors beer."
This article details Coors
connections with Ex-President Bush and how
Coors and Bush both have a policy of "Racial Cleansing."
Coors is anti-environmental, anti-gay and seemingly
against anything and anyone that stands in their way of making
money.

Rockefeller Drug Censor Empire
< ftp://ftp.tetrahedron.org/pub/Rockefeller_Drug_Censor_Empire.txt > <


Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people: those who do the work and
those
who take the credit. He told me to be in the first group - 

[CTRL] [Fwd: [theseries] ASSULT]

[piper]

I went on the Sightings site (did not use the search - yet)
and could not find this.  Also, is this true as it is written?
Pied Piper

--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people: those who do the work and
those
who take the credit. He told me to be in the first group - there is less
competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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  SIGHTINGS
  
  
  
  New Executive Order On 
  Federalism - Latest Assault
  On The Constitution
  Comment
  By Brad Bernards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  
  
   
  
  
  

  
 
Amending the 10th Amendment
 
-August 10, 1999-
 
On August 5, President Clinton signed an Executive Order
on Federalism, the division of power between Washington, D.C. and the States.
The President claims Constitutional authority to turn our Constitution
on it's head. This executive order, which I have read, seeks to guarantee
the division of governmental responsibilities intended by the Framers of
the Constitution. The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, part of the
Bill of Rights, does not need to be clarified. I have quoted the Constitution
before and I proudly do it again: "The powers not delegated to the
United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States,
are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." That's
the tenth amendment, and any attempt by President Clinton to improve on
it will most certainly not be to the benefit of the states or the people.
 
This is an outright attempt by the federal government
to take from us power we have yet to claim but, nonetheless, is still ours
under the Constitution. The Constitution enumerates the powers of the federal
government - they are finite and limited intentionally. The President,
through each and every agency, would like to impose federal rules and regulations
absorbing powers that are, as of yet, unclaimed by the states. The previous
attempt to steal away our power last year in Executive Order 13083 was
met with much opposition after it was exposed. He had created the document
without the input of those affected. It was later suspended, and now revoked
as this EO replaces it. Amending the Constitution takes the congress and
all 50 States but the President may do it, unnoticed, through an Executive
Order
 
The document is clever because it now has the input of
many, although we don't know specifically who, and on the surface appears
quite benign. The AP reports that state and local officials appear satisfied
with the rewritten order. The language of this Executive Order is indeed
deferential to the states. The document reads well until you discover that
all the input gathered from state and local government, the consulting
with state and local officials on developing standards and the opportunity
for participation in rulemaking proceedings is just that much talk. I see
nowhere in the document that any input be digested at all. Federal agencies
will be able to do what they want provided they follow the prescribed method
which is not much more than whoops to placate the intergovernmental organizations
concerned. The federal government can and will put into force any rule
they want with or without the approval of anyone.
 
The White House's own press release says: "...the
Order makes clear that federal action is appropriate in the presence of
a problem of national scope or significance." This statement by itself
admits that the Executive Branch can make anything their business and have
an agency create federal rules to govern it. At a time when we need to
pare back the federal government, they seem intent on grabbing any remaining
power not nailed down by claim of the states or the people.
 
The United States Constitution is a magnificent document
and Clinton would do best to read it and follow it. Instead, he's going
to fix it. He calls it strengthening the partnership. He says that the

[CTRL] PR Watch Reports 'Greenwashing An Olympic-Sized Toxic Dump'

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

-- I thought that the next Olympics would show
which countries had the worst pollution, until I read this.
---

E-WIRE PRESS RELEASE E-WIRE PRESS RELEASE E-WIRE PRESS RELEASE
***

 TO ENVIRONMENTAL EDITOR:

PR Watch Reports 'Greenwashing An Olympic-Sized Toxic Dump'

  MADISON, Wis., Sept. 20 -/E-Wire/--
The Center for Media & Democracy
announced the following:
  One year from now when the 2000
Olympic Games open in Sydney they
will be hyped as an environmental
showcase, the "Green Olympics."  In reality
the Olympic site at Homebush Bay is
"the worst toxic waste dump in Australia"
writes Dr. Sharon Beder in the investigative
quarterly PR Watch, available
online at http://www.prwatch.org.  The
Olympic venue is contaminated with
asbestos and chemicals including
dioxins and pesticides, along with
arsenic,
cadmium, chromium, copper, lead,
mercury and zinc.
 /CONTACT:  John Stauber of
Center for Media and Democracy,
608-233-3346, [EMAIL PROTECTED] /
 /Web site:  http://www.prwatch.org /
 /Web site:  http://www.prwatch.org/prw_issues.html /
For Full Text and Graphics Visit:
http://ens.lycos.com/e-wire/Sept99/20sept9901.html

--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people: those who do the work and
those
who take the credit. He told me to be in the first group - there is less
competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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Re: [CTRL] [MC] MORE Send/Love Fish Info

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

if you read past the fish story or discount it
and just address what she is saying then you are
fine.  Normally I would not mess up such a good
line but -
she needs to add in that

pimps - usually for money, or to push a agenda
a type like Clinton
can include pedophiles, ect
angels - they do watch over people BUT
you would have to have enough education
to be able to understand them  AND
they would have to have enough education to
understand you.
so people pick brains and others empathy

Truth or Consequences
these people try to burn you to make sure you do
not do it again.

fancies themselves as the fallen (Lucifer or dark angel)-
???
same as truth or consequences with a twist
are they only allowed to tempt or do they
take over now days? To tempt means that
they are following some set of rules, like
many of the stylized films about the devil
and his contracts.
Animated Hercules being the most recent.
piper




Jabr 333 wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> About the fish thing -- these may not be actual fishes.  They are more
> leeche-worm-eel like -- and when they die they are dark black, like tar.  And
> I may have something wrong about the fishing expeditions/systems itself here,
> but I think not.  You have heard of men saying to women or pimps saying about
> prostitutes -- "selling their wares?"  -- This ain't just sex.  It is these
> special animals.  And, I go further -- a portion of the U.S. is set up, esp.
> women, with implants that bring in these animals.   These dead send fishes
> are all over NYC streets -- and scattered by the hundreds throughout the NYC
> subway system's walkways.  This is NOT tar.  There is NO tar in the subway
> system areas -- all walks are cement.  There is no tar in the subway tunnels
> -- they are wood and dirt and cement.  There is NO tar in the subway cars.
> These tar baby things are ALL OVER the sidewalks of Manhattan. All over
> them...they are NOT tar.  Try scraping one of them up -- it is not the least
> bit like tar. ANd it is not chewing gum.  Which years ago I though it might
> be. It simply is not.  Scraping any of them off the street will tell you
> this.  I had a police officer confirm that these black things were "love
> fish" -- he knew.  I believe, cause I have caught 4 of them -- and have felt
> the sends off of these things -- that people literally are using these to get
> by and get good jobs done at doctor's offices, etc.  Carrying one of these
> around makes life around you much nicer -- cause of the sends they put off.
> Where do they come from?  Some people, not everyone, are set-up for the
> catching of these.  The implants in body draw in the animals -- and these
> people seem ot have, I know it sound weird, but wind-tunnels which are
> invisible to naked eye around em.  In these tunnels these animals seem to
> live -- almost like glass fish -- see though, until they are caught -- then
> they take on color.  I also believe that people have been used in these
> stranger-than-life stories for literally centuries -- the implants used for a
> long long time.  And the animals fishing stuff is what many prostitutes are
> set-up with -- the johns own them.  It is amazing to see these fishes come
> alive off the frequency draws too -- amazing.  Because the catching is really
> something to behond. The fishes show in a flash -- and with a strange
> pancake-like face on them.  This really is a real event -- not imagined.  The
> evidence of the fishes' existance is all around you now too -- look at these
> tar babies.  I am photographing this stuff in Manhattan now and NJ.  The
> pimps know this, that the sex trade actually IS about selling these creatures
> from the deep.  Ask a pimp (you know what they look like -- the well dressed,
> thick haired men...Italian a lot of them) -- to show you how they catch the
> send or love fish.  Ask him if you pay him, if he has any for sale.  Pretend
> you know what you are talking about -- if he says yes, ask the price, ask to
> see it, and ask him how to care for it.  He won't be able to show you how
> they are caught unless he has a mind control implant victim nearby -- to
> catch the fish off of.  THis is part of the underground workings -- girl.  It
> is considered pretty seedy stuff by many people.  But there is a whole
> cottage industry working about the procurement and use of these strange
> animals.  And as I said the evidence of these things being real is on the
> sidewalk.
>
> About eugenics -- there are specialized crime groups -- called curmudgeons --
> who often carry out implanting people who may become targeted for various
> reasons.  Once implanted, cults they begin working the victims over with mind
> control

Re: [CTRL] The Rich Get Richer, and the Poor Get...

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

Is this on a web site??
It is good and information that opens up your eyes!
Pied Piper

M.A. Johnson wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> ~~for educational purposes only~~
>
> The Rich Get Richer, and the Poor Get...
> by Mark Skousen
>
> "The modern market economy accords wealth and distribution
> income in a highly unequal, socially adverse and also
> functionally damaging fashion." --John Kenneth Galbraith
>
> The allegation is appearing everywhere: Real average
> wages are stagnating and the distribution of wealth and
> income in the United States is becoming more unequal. In
> his latest book, Galbraith cites recent Federal Reserve
> statistics: "By 1992, the top 5 percent were getting an
> estimated 18 percent, a share that in more recent years
> has become substantially larger, as that of those in the
> poorest brackets has been diminishing. This, the good
> society cannot accept.'' According to the Bureau of Labor
> Statistics, average real wages have been declining since
> the mid-1970s. If benefits are included, total real
> compensation has been rising, but only modestly. Finally,
> Business Week (February 25, 1996) declared, "Is America
> Becoming More of a Class Society?'' The magazine cites
> several academic studies indicating less upward mobility
> for less-educated Americans. The Wall Street Journal
> (December 23, 1996) adds, "Inequality may grow for
> lifetime earnings."
>
> Critics of market capitalism are often misled by
> conventional measures of economic well-being, in
> particular the Lorenz curve, which measures income
> distribution.
>
> The Lorenz curve measures the percentage of a nation's
> total income as earned by various income classes.
> Typically, it is divided into five income groups. In
> the United States, the highest fifth (the highest income
> earners) usually receive 40 percent of the nation's
> income, while the lowest fifth (the lowest income earners)
> receive around 5 percent, Using the Lorenz curve, U.S.
> income appears to be seriously maldistributed, "now the
> extreme case among the major industrial countries,"
> says Galbraith.
>
> However, the Lorenz curve establishes an unfair and
> misleading guide for measuring social welfare.
> Suppose, for example, that an "ideal" line of "perfect"
> equality is achieved on the Lorenz curve, i.e., the
> highest fifth (top 20 percent of income earners) only
> receive 20 percent of the nation's income, while the
> bottom fifth (lower 20 percent) increase their share
> to 20 percent. What does this ideal mean?
> Everyone -- the teacher, the lawyer, the plumber, the
> actor -- earns the same amount of income. (1)
>
> Since few economists think equal wages for everyone
> is an ideal situation, why do they think moving toward
> "perfect equality" on the Lorenz curve is appropriate?
> Moreover, the Lorenz curve is unable to show an increase
> in a country's standard of living over time. It merely
> measures distribution of income.
>
> To measure changes in social welfare, economists often
> rely on a second measure-average real income. This,
> too, has its shortcomings. A single statistic may mask
> improvements in an individual's standard of living over
> time.
>
> For example, average real income shows hardly any change
> since the mid-1970s. Yet other measures of well-being,
> such as consumer expenditures and the quantity, quality,
> and variety of goods and services, show remarkable
> advancement over the past 20 years. Consumer spending
> rose a dramatic 40 percent per person in real terms
> during this period. As Professor Richard Vedder says,
> "How many Americans in 1975 had VCRs, microwaves, CD
> players, and home computers?" (2)
>
> The Work of Stanley Lebergott
>
> Stanley Lebergott, professor of economics at Wesleyan
> University, has probably done more work in this area
> than anyone else. Instead of relying on general
> measures such as average real income, he uses a more
> commonsense approach -- looking at individual consumer
> markets in food, clothing, housing, fuel, housework,
> transportation, health, recreation, and religion. His
> work is fascinating.
>
> For example, he developed the following table to measure
> improvements in living standards from 1900 to 1970:
>
> Living Standards, 1900-1970
>
>   Among AllAmong Poor
>   Percentage  Families Families
>   with ...in 1900  in 1970
>
> Flush toilets   1599
> Running water   2492
> Central heatin

[CTRL] FLUORIDATED WATER MAY PROVOKE LEAD POISONING

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

http://ens.lycos.com/ens/sep99/1999L-09-09-09.html
*

  FLUORIDATED WATER MAY PROVOKE LEAD POISONING

  Chemicals commonly used to add fluoride to public drinking
water
  supplies may make children more susceptible to lead poisoning,
a new
  study suggests. A study published last month in the
"International
  Journal of Environmental Studies" found that silicofluorides,
added to
  water supplies to help reduce tooth decay, are associated with

  higher absorption of lead. Roger Masters, emeritus professor
of
  government at Dartmouth College in New Hampshire, analyzed a
  survey of over 280,000 Massachusetts children. He and his
  colleagues found that lead levels in children's blood was
significantly
  higher in Massachusetts communities using the silicofluorides
  fluosilicic acid and sodium silicofluoride than in towns where
water is
  treated with sodium fluoride or not fluoridated at all.
Children in
  communities that use these chemicals were over twice as likely
to
  have over 10 milligrams per deciliter of blood lead than
children in
  towns that do not use silicofluorides. Over 90 percent of
America's
  fluoridated drinking water supplies are treated with
silicofluorides.
  "Virtually all research on fluoridation safety has focused on
sodium
  fluoride, even though the studies in the 1930s showed
important
  biological differences between these chemicals," says Masters.
"The
  correlation with blood levels is especially serious because
lead
  poisoning is associated with higher rates of learning
disabilities,
  hyperactivity, substance abuse and crime." The investigators
have
  also analyzed data from six other states as well as in the
National
  Health and Nutrition Evaluation Survey. The results, which
have not
  yet been published, find a correlation between silicofluorides
and
  blood lead levels, as well as higher rates of violent crime
and
  substance abuse.

 * * *

--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two
kinds of people: those who do the work
and those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: SNET: Child Abuse At Waco.

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

This man had a shot out with the previous leader
a previous leader who had actually run for president
- in that run for president: I wonder what connections
the previous leader had made?  Were those children
being groomed and sold?  There are video tapes of "sermons"
What other tapes might there be - that if the children had
lived - they might have been identified in?

Let us take this a step further - lawyers joined and
gave him there wives - who married them to those women?
What happened to those women?
piper

Prudence L. Kuhn wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 09/05/1999 3:10:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> <<
>  In this regard, let me emphasize that, despite what religious and social
>  apologists say, any adult who grooms children to be his sex objects is
>  sexually abusing those children. Sex between an adult and a child is abusive.
>  Sex between an adult and an 11 or 12 year old child can not be consensual.
>  The fact that the name of God and religion were used to obscure this
>  exploitive and abusive practice make these activities even more heinous and
>  destructive to the long term development of these children. >>
> \
>
> I agree with you, and if what is written in your posting is true, then the
> authorities should have been charging this guy with child sexual abuse and
> putting him in jail.  Why was the only reason for going after him something
> to do with weapons?  For some reason or other, no one cared about the
> children even before they killed them.  It was weapons that were important.
> Why  didn't they simply pick this guy up from one of his jogs and charge him
> with his crimes?  No matter how you slice it, nothing the Government (local
> or federal) makes any sense at all.  Prudy
>

--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will
be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

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Re: [CTRL] Luke Ford- JFK Jr. A Homo

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

The light dawns and I just woke up -
what this does it make it where anyone
can go on a witch hunt or should I say a
hetro hunt about hate language.
Someone can say anything they want and
claim that you were prejudice against them
because they were homo.

piper wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> "Amazingly, the Outpost views the Absolutely Queer Kennedy poster as a
> tribute
> to their hunky hero. "We're not doing it because we hate him," said gay
> psychiatrist Serafini, "but because we adore him, and want to claim him as
> one of us.""
>
> so now females can put up posters of males that
> they wish were hetro and say that they had
> been in a straight place so they have to really
> be closet hetros.  Makes it seem as if the
> everyone is security homosexual, which they
> are not
> SO
> what it does do it have the potential of making
> people afraid to congregate and exchange ideas.
> piper
>
> William Shannon wrote:
>
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > How is JFK Jr like a penguin? Both are cute but can't fly.
> >
> > >From Luke Ford Wire Services, Ltd:
> >
> > Was JFK Jr. Bisexual? Some stories are too true to be good--which is why the
> > tale of JFK Jr.’s “secret” life had to wait until Camelot’s crown jewels were
> > scattered forever upon the high seas. Lukeford.com obtained the documents
> > that follow from a former supermarket-tabloid operative who was a visible
> > presence--with at least one bylined JFK Jr. story to his credit--on the
> > early-Nineties JFK Jr. newsbeat. It is lukeford.com’s postition that these
> > remembrances of JFK Jr. adhere to enough principles of contemporary
> > journalism--as practiced in, say, New York Magazine’s “Intelligencer”
> > column--to warrant publication...if only as a colorful artifact of a vanished
> > era. John-John, we hardly knew ye!
> >
> > According to George Wayne, a longtime columnist, photographer and nightlife
> > arbiter elegantiae of Paper magazine and Vanity Fair, "John Kennedy Jr is one
> > of the most gender-confused personalities of our time. His bisexuality is
> > legendary in nightlife circles up and down the Eastern seaboard, in
> > Manhattan, in the Hamptons, on Cape Cod. The only reason this fact has never
> > come out in the media is because there are other reputations at stake besides
> > John's. These scenes are heavily populated by other switch-hitters like John,
> > who also come from prominent families and occupy positions of power and
> > influence. It's a social climate where everybody's got something to hide. You
> > know what they say about Catholic boys who get sent away to expensive
> > boarding schools? Well, it's all true. And that's why you find John in clubs
> > like the Underground--last known hangout of [homosexual] Malcolm Forbes--and
> > Rex, where the scenes are awash in erotic ambiguity. The press is always
> > speculating that John likes these places because that's where the fashion
> > models and covergirls are. But it's a cardinal rule of nightclubs that
> > whereever you find models, you'll also find gay men. You do the math. I
> > happen to know for a fact that John had a three-way orgy with two friends of
> > mine--a bisexual man and woman ---in the Hamptons two years ago. No, I'm not
> > going to give you their names. But I was told that John had sex with both the
> > woman and the man, although, in the case of the man, John just kind of lay
> > back and let the man service him. It's no lie."
> >
> > January 8, 1991
> >
> > Gay terrorists are threatening to accuse John Kennedy Jr. of being a
> > homosexual in a shocking campaign that has already targeted such allegedly
> > homosexual celebrities as Merv Griffin, John Travolta, Tom Selleck and Jodi
> > Foster. A shadowy group of gay guerrillas known as "Outpost" are plastering
> > New York City with posters that parody the Absolut volka advertisements,
> > except that, instead of a vodka bottle, the gay ads feature celebrity
> > pictures along with the words "Absolutely Queer". Within weeks, the gay
> > pranksters warn, Absolutely Queer John-John Kennedy posters will be going up
> > all over Manhattan.
> >
> > "John Kennedy Jr.'s homosexuality is one of New York City's best kept
> > secrets," declared Dr. James Serafini, an openly gay psychiatrist who is a
> > co-conspirator in the Outpost scheme. "And now we're going to share it with
> > the rest of the world. Our poster campaigns against other gay celebrities

Re: [CTRL] textbook propaganda (fwd)

[piper]

t start Nationalism
and that they would start old blood feuds all over again.
BUT why did they fight in the first place?
Any time a major center a learning has been amassed,
compiled or put together it has been destroyed.  Why?
Why has China been able to have such a large population?

If you  do not bogart human fertilizer then bacteria and plant
favor you.  Think of the major forests of the European, and
Asian continent being cut down.  If you were bacteria would
you rather live a few months in a grass plant or a 100 or more
years in a tree?  Would you be upset if that walking fertilizer
factory called a human cut down your tree?

(off to sleep - perhaps to dream - perhaps with
bacterial help,
I hope they are healthy bacteria and not
homicidal.)
piper - future science fiction writer

piper

William Hugh Tunstall wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:37:59 -070
>
> >From Sean:
> >Well.  My senior honors government/economics class is well into the first
> >chapter now, and something's disturbed me about our textbook.  Section 3 of
> >the book gives a basic run down of different economic systems and how they
> >work.  There is a section for Democratic Socialism, it states how it works,
> >gives some of the pros, then a few cons.  There is a section on  Communism,
> >it states how it works, gives a couple pros, and a buttload of cons.  Then
> >there is a section on capitalism.  Capitalism is described at length as far
> >as it's basic functions and how it relates to the state, then it lists a
> >whole shitload of pros...but zero cons.  With bias and propaganda even in
> >simple school textbooks, it's no wonder that we have such a hard time
> >getting people to listen to us.  This is part of the root of out problem,
> >and it needs to be fought.
>
> Ah yes the ol' textbook = capitalist propaganda thing.  Yep that is what they are for
> unfortunately.  It is difficult to find a textbook at for high school that doesn't
> laud the "great" achievements of capitalism. And usually with the textbook you get
> teachers that just repeat what the holy book has given them.  All too sad.  But
> really that is what these subjects were created for.  To teach you a little something
> about the world (but not too much!) and instill the idea that system is the best ever
> and it has no flaws, except maybe things like labor and environmental laws, taxes
> etc.  Given the fact that the majority of people don't go to college and possibly
> have these walls broken down (though this doesn't mean that people in college don't
> continue to think the same as they do in high school) it builds a good core of people
> who don't question the system.  Partly because they are not given the knowledge to so
> by our school system.  This is what Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci calls "bourgeois
> hegemony".  And it is all too real.
>
> But things like the historical profession were created just for the exact reason of
> spreading nationalism.  Before the 19th century there was no "history profession"
> i.e. where you go to college to get a piece of paper that says you are a professional
> historian.  In the 19th c. in Germany and later in this country the historical
> profession was started to spread nationalism, and of course capitalism (just like in
> the Soviet Union, textbooks praised the greatness of the Soviet socialist system.
> All they taught about the US was that it had homeless people and racism).  But that
> is what the historical profession was about until around the 1960s where history was
> used at a increasingly to critique the system, rather than support it.  But many
> textbooks have missed this revolution in the profession and I think by conscious
> choice.  I don't think it is a conspiracy by the government, schools, or teachers,
> but I do think that textbooks that do show a different viewpoint, that is if you can
> find one, are seen as too controversial and frankly I don't know of many k-12
> teachers who could handle anything different than what the textbook gives.  They just
> don't have the knowledge to teach anything different from the "party line."  I have
> always thought that Zinn's _People's History of the US_ would make a fine high school
> history textbook.  But I don't see many schools adopting that book as an alternative
> viewpoint.  I have always thought that there should be an attempt to show both sides
> in order to emphasize critical thinking skills (really in my opinion what the high
> schools should be teaching) and that subjects like history and political science are
> interpretations, not science based on facts.  There are no meaningf

Re: [CTRL] Pre-emptive "Profiling" in Schools

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

Rape seed oil called Canola oil, strips the myelin sheath
from all nerve cells, including the brain cells called neurons.

Using this info - I speculate --
the brain uses sodium, gultamate, calcium, and fat
so it would see Canola oil as energy and then the eurithic
acid in the Canola oil would strip the myelin sheath.

Remember the drugs that would allow someone to
taste the color red, to smell the sound of birdsong,
to see musical notes in the air.

a short circut between the visual and audio
senses.  Canola seems to be used in most food
from grocery stores to school lunches.

question:
* how does / what does angel dust do?  PCP?
  What do these do to the brain?
* I used to hear about some drugs frying the brain.
* why does marajana give people the munchies for
   high fat food (chips, ect.)

all this to control space
by having everyone become female
 drugs wil not work in a recylced enviroment
 but if you have to come back to Earth to reproduce,
or be clonned.

surplus?  A contrived surplus of people.
still what of
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Das GOAT wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>  "The profile lists 16 features that may distinguish violence-prone
> children.  Among them are: social withdrawal, feelings of rejection, and poor
> grades."
>   Well, that narrows it down -- to only 99% of high school students in
> America ...
>
> Schools Begin 'Student Profiling'
>
> By BRIGITTE GREENBERG
> .c The Associated Press
>
> WALLINGFORD, Conn. (AP) - Much like the FBI developing psychological profiles
> to track terrorists and serial killers, school psychologists are putting
> together checklists of characteristics common among students prone to
> violence.
>
> With the pain of the deadly shootings at Columbine High School in Littleton,
> Colo., still fresh, Wallingford Superintendent of Schools Joseph Cirasuolo
> said he would be remiss not to adopt ``student profiling'' in his district of
> 7,000 pupils.
>
> ``Our purpose in doing that is to intervene well before they ever decide to
> go out and buy a gun and do some damage,'' he said.
>
> The profile of a potentially violent student will be given to staff
> throughout the district's 12 schools. If someone fits the description, the
> student's parents will be notified, Cirasuolo said.
>
> ``We intervene early if we think a youngster has reading problems. We
> intervene early if we think a youngster has adjustment problems and matters
> of that type,'' he said. ``So why shouldn't we intervene early if we think a
> youngster may be prone to violence?''
>
> There are similar efforts across the country. In Granite City, Ill., school
> administrators are measuring students against a behavior checklist that
> includes abusive language, cruelty to animals and writings reflecting an
> interest in ``the dark side of life.'' Students who fit the profile can
> undergo counseling, be transferred to an alternative education program or
> even be expelled.
>
> Critics call ``student profiling'' an overreaction to the rash of school
> shootings, including the Columbine attack in which 15 people died. They fear
> that children who do not reflect an image of the perfect student could be
> unfairly labeled.
>
> ``Different doesn't mean dangerous,'' said American Civil Liberties Union
> spokeswoman Emily Whitfield. ``Not only are students being unfairly targeted
> but, in some cases, there's not a whole lot of thought going into it.''
>
> Nevertheless, there is increasing demand from school districts for training
> on warning signs.
>
> FBI agents led conferences on school violence recently in Hamden, Conn., and
> Lansing, Mich., instructing teachers on behavioral science and psychological
> profiling.
>
> Peter Blauvelt, president of the National Alliance for Safe Schools in
> Slanesville, W.Va., said he has spent the summer crisscrossing the country,
> giving workshops in schools from Georgia to Washington state.
>
> ``I wouldn't call it panic, but people are saying, 'Look we realize that we
> are not prepared to deal with a major crisis and we need to be prepared,'''
> he said.
>
> There are plenty of character checklists for teachers to draw from. The
> National School Safety Center in Westlake Village, Calif., has created a list
> of 20 warning signs. The American Psychological Association and MTV produced
> a guide called, ``Warning Signs.'' In ``The Memphis Conference: Suggestions
> for Preventing and Dealing with Student Initiated Violence,'' criminologist
> William Reisman lists 50 telltale indicators.
>
> `

[CTRL] Schools vs. parents? 1 of 3

[piper]

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Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

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 Schools vs. parents?   Psychological student testing called intrusive meddling   
 By David M. Bresnahan ©  1999 WorldNetDaily.com Potentially violent school children might be detected in advance
through the use of psychological testing, but a federal court has made
that tougher to do.

Concern over the shooting in Littleton, Colo., has brought forth
proposals on ways to prevent such violence, which include psychological
surveys to establish profiles of potential troublemakers. A federal
lawsuit in Texas was settled in favor of stronger parental rights and
more restrictions on what schools can and cannot do.

A survey of elementary and high school children regarding sexuality,
morality, personal beliefs, their parent's behavior, and similar
personal issues prompted legal action by parents. A federal court has
just handed them a major victory over teachers who conducted surveys
against parent's wishes.

Students were being given surveys, which the suit called "invasive
and intrusive psychological exams." A federal court agreed and
established requirements for parental
notification and consent.

"The signing of this federal court order signals a bright future for
all parents in the San Antonio Independent School District and the
protection of their parental rights in the education of their children.
We are hopeful that districts across the state will take a look at what
happened in this case and voluntarily implement the same or similar
measures in their own district to protect and advance parental rights.
Remember, parents are full partners with educators in the education of
their children, and they need to be treated that way," said Texas
Justice Foundation attorney Thomas W. Stack of the victory he obtained
for the concerned parents in the suit.

Several surveys were provided to WorldNetDaily. Sample questions from
the surveys include:

  If you could change one thing about your family what would it be
and why?

  What's the thing you need most that you are not getting from your
family?

Also included are questions regarding religious preference, family
income, and sexual preference.

Many of the surveys seemed to contain a large number of questions
about family size, structure, and problems that may occur in the home.
Surveys collected by the Christian Alert Network from schools around the
country contain questions about sexual activities and preferences.

Rev. Curt Tomlin told WorldNetDaily that surveys of this type are
used in schools all across the country. He said he does not see how such
a survey could accurately predict which students might commit an act of
violence. He said there are many teenagers who would purposely answer
the survey incorrectly just to get attention or try to be funny.

Stack agreed. He said the use of a survey is not going to solve the
problem of violence in the schools.

The poor print quality of the surveys indicates they have been copied
many times. The same or similar surveys have been found by members of
the Christian Alert Network in all areas of the country. No one seems to
know where they originated, including officials in the San Antonio
Independent School District.

Thomas Sanchez, school board president, told WorldNetDaily that he is
pleased with the court decision and believes a better system for
administering surveys will be the result. He said that he was personally
concerned about the lack of professionalism of the surveys and the way
in which they were given.

Sanchez said the issue raised by the parents helped to correct a
problem to make the schools better. He was upset that the surveys were
being given by teachers who were not qualified as counselors.

Students in the San Antonio schools were told not to tell their
parents about the surveys or the journals they were forced to keep.
Teachers would provide a question or topic of a personal nature each day
and require children to respond in the journals, which were kept locked
in the school. One fifth grader smuggled her survey home to her mother.

The 10-year-old daughter of Lisa Tellez came home last year
complaining of the survey she wa

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Home schooling mom considered Major criminal and jailed

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

I am probably one of the few people that
wonder if Breggin is some kind of front man -
even if it only to the extent that his electronic
communications may be monitored.
Because of the following story, and because when
my ex illegally put my my son on Ritalin for a week
about 2 years ago when (my son) was six -
(I did not continue it when my son returned)
I e-mailed Breggin for advice about the abuse
my son had received and the Ritalin.  For a man
with such "high" credentials, he either only has academic
knowledge, works only when money is involved, or
some other esoteric reason.
http://madnation.org/dendrite6_98.htm
http://www.coastlink.com/users/sbryce/rodriguez/
http://www.nationaloutrage.org/
So Breggin and a psychologist here in Waco called
Shinder (Shinder's office sees that court ordered sex offenders)
- just do not seem to have more academic knowledge of
what to do than they have constructive solutions.
Shinder is also the school psychologist.  Interesting guy -
not.  Baylor used to have a web site (about a year or so ago)
that was a advertisement for it's statistical -something or another-
the statistical -something or another- was started in 1984,
and the page gave the current rates.


the following page has three myths of education.  One link was dead.
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/myths.htm
It seems as if some people are not only afraid that parents might
learn how the kids are taught BUT in some cases that the teachers
might learn to make some new connections with in the teachers
own (brain) knowledge bank (triggered).  If they (the teacher) were to
compare actual knowledge acquired by different parents.  Weird what
can happen when things like a text book manufacturer "could"
see competition too.

This next link shows that the education of our current
lawyers is no longer complete.  --
   Help Return The Law To A Learned Profession -
http://www.tncrimlaw.com/civil_bible/burch_speech.html



Sean McDougal wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Original Message Follows
> From: "Robert Kemp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Fwd: Home schooling mom considered Major criminal and jailed
> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:39:35 EDT
>
> Original Message Follows
> From: Mark Graffis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
> Subject: Home schooling mom considered Major criminal and jailed
> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:32:38 -0500 (CDT)
>
> From: "Bill and Jo Kuhlmeyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>   From a friend who is a home-school mom..
> VERMONT HOMESCHOOLING MOM JAILED
>
> (From a wide variety of Vermont newspapers and forwarded personal papers)
>
> The story begins so typically. Seventh-grader Trevor Maple was bored at
> school, displayed a short attention span, and read at a second grade
> level. Academic problems escalated into social problems. He even went
> to live with his grandparents to give another school system a try, but
> to no avail.
>
> While discussing Trevor's problems with his school's vice-principal, he
> advised Trevor's mom that homeschooling could be a perfect alternative.
> Considering her options, schedule, and abilities, just two and a half
> months into the school year, Karen Maples decided to become a
> homeschooling mom.
>
> Vermont's homeschooling requirements are neither easy nor difficult:
> submit a portfolio to the Board of Education or provide a Stanford
> Achievement Test score. Karen submitted a portfolio the first year, but
> for efficiency she switched to the standardized test the next year, and
> the year after. Trevor's score improved markedly, as did his
> self-confidence when he was in a learning environment that didn't call
> him "learning disabled." School officials deemed the test results
> suspect.
>
> Then one day, eighteen months after homeschooling began, the school
> called to ask if Trevor was absent because of illness. Karen thought
> this strange, but was assured it was a clerical mistake. This was
> before the school sent a letter to the state's attorney claiming that
> Trevor was a child in need of supervision.
>
> Enter several court appearances over two years, always with a public
> defender, always denied the ability to submit SAT scores into evidence.
> The state, in its all-powerful wisdom, decided Trevor needed a tutor.
>
> But the tutor quit after one lesson. Allegedly, the tutor told Karen
> she was asked to lie about the condition of Karen's home - and
> wouldn't. Because he had been labeled "learning disabled," the school
> demanded to evaluate Trevor's education. Karen refused.
>
> A social service employee followed Karen around the grocery store.
>
> Social service employees have been found banging on Karen's front door
> as she arrived home. The children now run upstairs to hide when
> strangers approach the house.
>
> To date Karen has had three public defenders, as has Trevor. She has
> seen three judges, one of whom, Judge Kupersmith, must hold a g

[CTRL] The Australian

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THE BIG REVOLT




US lobbyists who don't want Windows will be demanding a refund this week, reports Kerrie Murphy







13feb99










AS anyone who remembers the bad old days of personal computing can tell you, installing an operating system from scratch can reduce the bravest person to tears. 

For that reason, many consumers were more than happy to let the vendor do the installing. Now all you need do is put the right plugs in the right holes, press the on button and the computer is ready to rumble.

The staggering growth of Microsoft Windows has meant that if you buy a PC – unless you buy an Apple Macintosh – you have a choice of it being bundled with Windows or Windows (98 or NT that is). Even IBM, which has its own operating system, OS/2 Warp, ships Windows as standard. If you decide you want OS/2, you have to buy the PC with Windows and pay for a copy of OS/2.

If you're happy with Windows, none of this is really a problem: all you want is your computer to work smoothly. Users of other operating systems, however, are not thrilled at having to pay for software they have no intention of using. It's like buying a new CD player and also having to purchase a Celine Dion CD you don't want. 

Until recently, the solution has been to wear it. But when South Australian-based Linux user Geoffrey Bennett bought a new notebook PC from Toshiba last year, he also read the end-user licence agreement for the copy of Windows that came with it. 

The agreement stated that if he didn't agree to the conditions of the licence "you may not use or copy the software product and you should promptly contact the PC manufacturer for instructions on return for the unused product(s) for a refund".

Bennett contacted Toshiba and says that while the company originally refused to refund his money, he was later offered a refund for the entire machine. Finally, Toshiba gave him a cheque for $110 for the return of the unused software.

Toshiba declined to comment on Bennett's case, or the wider implications of the refund, but it is not a situation unique to that company. Few, if any, name-brand vendors in Australia are willing to ship a PC without Windows. This is for a number of reasons, says Michelle Vanzella, marketing and business development manager with computer vendor Gateway. 

Gateway is unwilling to ship machines without an operating system because such machines cannot be tested before shipping. The company is currently considering offering Linux as an alternative. 

"Gateway is in rigorous compatibility testing for Linux and we're also doing market research to determine whether or not there is a demand for the product," she says.  Vanzella explains that part of the reason for the company's hesitation is that Gateway offers free support for Windows for its customers and wants to offer the same service to Linux customers, which has training and support implications for Gateway staff. In the meantime, customers who want a Gateway machine but don't want Windows have the choice of either paying for it and not using it or returning both the hardware and software. "Our warranty service agreement allows the user to return the full system. We've never allowed them to return just the software bundle," says Vanzella.

Most computer vendors have a similar policy.  While Compaq offers customised orders for large corporate clients and alternatives to Windows on its servers, it's an all-or-nothing deal for PCs.

 Consumers not willing to accept the end-user agreement have the option of returning the hardware and software for a refund.

Some believe this practice may contravene the Trade Practices Act. "It appears that it may be a case of third-line forcing," says Patrick Fair, a lawyer with Philips Fox specialising in computer issues. 

Section 47 (6) of the Act makes it illegal, he says, to "refuse to supply particular goods or services if the purchaser has not acquired, or not agreed to acquire, other goods or services from another person". 

When Living IT contacted the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, a spokeswoman said the ACCC had not investigated Microsoft and the end-user agreement in regard to Section 47 (6). The ACCC declined to comment further. It's a murky area, since technically the vendor has licensed the product from Microsoft and is then selling it to you. But having Microsoft so entrenched at the point of sale is an area of concern, says Mara Bun, Australian Consumers Association policy and public affairs manager. "Over the long term it is essential that ope

Re: [CTRL] Our web domain blocked

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your site was checked out and all you need to
do is to pay your bill.  It has been long enough
that you will have to upload your files again.
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Sean McDougal wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> >From: K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >Subject: Re: [CTRL] Our web domain blocked
> >Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:08:40 -0500
> >
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> >Why couldn't a series of mirror sites be set up around the net?
> >Surely the original HTML still resides on the owners drive.
>
> I am sure that is possible.  Unfortunately, when something like this happens
> it throws a monkey wrench into the information disseminating process because
> regular visitors cannot simply be emailed and told where the new site is and
> the spoken of, taken over site would have to be re-hacked in order to
> redirect people.
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Re: [CTRL] Luke Ford- JFK Jr. A Homo

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"I know people who knew John Kennedy in prep school and grammar school. One
of his friends - in fact his best friend at Collegiate - ended up being
gay.
His name was Jason Beghe. He's a muscle man who became an actor in Italy.
He
stars in a lot of these low-budget spaghetti westerns, horror movies and
monster films."

I do not care if he was or not but this hypothesis
is wild.  why.  So of the best known womanizers
ended up married in commented monogamous
relationships.  Did that make then monogamous
youth.

William Shannon wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> How is JFK Jr like a penguin? Both are cute but can't fly.
>
> >From Luke Ford Wire Services, Ltd:
>
> Was JFK Jr. Bisexual? Some stories are too true to be good--which is why the
> tale of JFK Jr.’s “secret” life had to wait until Camelot’s crown jewels were
> scattered forever upon the high seas. Lukeford.com obtained the documents
> that follow from a former supermarket-tabloid operative who was a visible
> presence--with at least one bylined JFK Jr. story to his credit--on the
> early-Nineties JFK Jr. newsbeat. It is lukeford.com’s postition that these
> remembrances of JFK Jr. adhere to enough principles of contemporary
> journalism--as practiced in, say, New York Magazine’s “Intelligencer”
> column--to warrant publication...if only as a colorful artifact of a vanished
> era. John-John, we hardly knew ye!
>
> According to George Wayne, a longtime columnist, photographer and nightlife
> arbiter elegantiae of Paper magazine and Vanity Fair, "John Kennedy Jr is one
> of the most gender-confused personalities of our time. His bisexuality is
> legendary in nightlife circles up and down the Eastern seaboard, in
> Manhattan, in the Hamptons, on Cape Cod. The only reason this fact has never
> come out in the media is because there are other reputations at stake besides
> John's. These scenes are heavily populated by other switch-hitters like John,
> who also come from prominent families and occupy positions of power and
> influence. It's a social climate where everybody's got something to hide. You
> know what they say about Catholic boys who get sent away to expensive
> boarding schools? Well, it's all true. And that's why you find John in clubs
> like the Underground--last known hangout of [homosexual] Malcolm Forbes--and
> Rex, where the scenes are awash in erotic ambiguity. The press is always
> speculating that John likes these places because that's where the fashion
> models and covergirls are. But it's a cardinal rule of nightclubs that
> whereever you find models, you'll also find gay men. You do the math. I
> happen to know for a fact that John had a three-way orgy with two friends of
> mine--a bisexual man and woman ---in the Hamptons two years ago. No, I'm not
> going to give you their names. But I was told that John had sex with both the
> woman and the man, although, in the case of the man, John just kind of lay
> back and let the man service him. It's no lie."
>
> January 8, 1991
>
> Gay terrorists are threatening to accuse John Kennedy Jr. of being a
> homosexual in a shocking campaign that has already targeted such allegedly
> homosexual celebrities as Merv Griffin, John Travolta, Tom Selleck and Jodi
> Foster. A shadowy group of gay guerrillas known as "Outpost" are plastering
> New York City with posters that parody the Absolut volka advertisements,
> except that, instead of a vodka bottle, the gay ads feature celebrity
> pictures along with the words "Absolutely Queer". Within weeks, the gay
> pranksters warn, Absolutely Queer John-John Kennedy posters will be going up
> all over Manhattan.
>
> "John Kennedy Jr.'s homosexuality is one of New York City's best kept
> secrets," declared Dr. James Serafini, an openly gay psychiatrist who is a
> co-conspirator in the Outpost scheme. "And now we're going to share it with
> the rest of the world. Our poster campaigns against other gay celebrities
> have gotten nationwide attention, and now, whether he likes it or not,
> John-John is about to be dragged out of the closet. He'd better brace
> himself."
>
> New York City homosexuals are gleefully awaiting the smear campaign against
> Kennedy. Said Lou Malebta, who operates the pornographic Gay Cable Network:
> "This John-John Kennely zap has been a long time coming. It is shocking and
> insulting to the gay community that, in the midst of a deadly epidemic, a gay
> man of his power and influence would turn his back on his gay brothers and
> sisters. He has taken refuge in shame and secrecy, and now the gay community
> intends to reveal aim as the homosexual that he really is. There's nothing
> like a Kennedy story when it comes to getting results."
>
> Here are just a few of the astonishing charges that sources throughout the
> gay community have leveled at John-John:
>
> --That he frequents the same, gay nightclubs as homosexual billionaire Malcom
> Forbes.
>
> --That he engaged in an orgy with another man and a woman... And that 

Re: [CTRL] Luke Ford- JFK Jr. A Homo

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 -Caveat Lector-

"Amazingly, the Outpost views the Absolutely Queer Kennedy poster as a
tribute
to their hunky hero. "We're not doing it because we hate him," said gay
psychiatrist Serafini, "but because we adore him, and want to claim him as
one of us.""

so now females can put up posters of males that
they wish were hetro and say that they had
been in a straight place so they have to really
be closet hetros.  Makes it seem as if the
everyone is security homosexual, which they
are not
SO
what it does do it have the potential of making
people afraid to congregate and exchange ideas.
piper



William Shannon wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> How is JFK Jr like a penguin? Both are cute but can't fly.
>
> >From Luke Ford Wire Services, Ltd:
>
> Was JFK Jr. Bisexual? Some stories are too true to be good--which is why the
> tale of JFK Jr.’s “secret” life had to wait until Camelot’s crown jewels were
> scattered forever upon the high seas. Lukeford.com obtained the documents
> that follow from a former supermarket-tabloid operative who was a visible
> presence--with at least one bylined JFK Jr. story to his credit--on the
> early-Nineties JFK Jr. newsbeat. It is lukeford.com’s postition that these
> remembrances of JFK Jr. adhere to enough principles of contemporary
> journalism--as practiced in, say, New York Magazine’s “Intelligencer”
> column--to warrant publication...if only as a colorful artifact of a vanished
> era. John-John, we hardly knew ye!
>
> According to George Wayne, a longtime columnist, photographer and nightlife
> arbiter elegantiae of Paper magazine and Vanity Fair, "John Kennedy Jr is one
> of the most gender-confused personalities of our time. His bisexuality is
> legendary in nightlife circles up and down the Eastern seaboard, in
> Manhattan, in the Hamptons, on Cape Cod. The only reason this fact has never
> come out in the media is because there are other reputations at stake besides
> John's. These scenes are heavily populated by other switch-hitters like John,
> who also come from prominent families and occupy positions of power and
> influence. It's a social climate where everybody's got something to hide. You
> know what they say about Catholic boys who get sent away to expensive
> boarding schools? Well, it's all true. And that's why you find John in clubs
> like the Underground--last known hangout of [homosexual] Malcolm Forbes--and
> Rex, where the scenes are awash in erotic ambiguity. The press is always
> speculating that John likes these places because that's where the fashion
> models and covergirls are. But it's a cardinal rule of nightclubs that
> whereever you find models, you'll also find gay men. You do the math. I
> happen to know for a fact that John had a three-way orgy with two friends of
> mine--a bisexual man and woman ---in the Hamptons two years ago. No, I'm not
> going to give you their names. But I was told that John had sex with both the
> woman and the man, although, in the case of the man, John just kind of lay
> back and let the man service him. It's no lie."
>
> January 8, 1991
>
> Gay terrorists are threatening to accuse John Kennedy Jr. of being a
> homosexual in a shocking campaign that has already targeted such allegedly
> homosexual celebrities as Merv Griffin, John Travolta, Tom Selleck and Jodi
> Foster. A shadowy group of gay guerrillas known as "Outpost" are plastering
> New York City with posters that parody the Absolut volka advertisements,
> except that, instead of a vodka bottle, the gay ads feature celebrity
> pictures along with the words "Absolutely Queer". Within weeks, the gay
> pranksters warn, Absolutely Queer John-John Kennedy posters will be going up
> all over Manhattan.
>
> "John Kennedy Jr.'s homosexuality is one of New York City's best kept
> secrets," declared Dr. James Serafini, an openly gay psychiatrist who is a
> co-conspirator in the Outpost scheme. "And now we're going to share it with
> the rest of the world. Our poster campaigns against other gay celebrities
> have gotten nationwide attention, and now, whether he likes it or not,
> John-John is about to be dragged out of the closet. He'd better brace
> himself."
>
> New York City homosexuals are gleefully awaiting the smear campaign against
> Kennedy. Said Lou Malebta, who operates the pornographic Gay Cable Network:
> "This John-John Kennely zap has been a long time coming. It is shocking and
> insulting to the gay community that, in the midst of a deadly epidemic, a gay
> man of his power and influence would turn his back on his gay brothers and
> sisters. He has taken refuge in shame and secrecy, and now th

Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr. A Homo

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America - discount because as far as education
Clinton's and Bush's are air heads

Japan - helped get aspartame on the market and
has many purifying agents like (carbon) only theirs
are things like coral that will purify water

China - most favored nation status, I have met some of
their exchange students - idiot savants that can only
move numerical variables around.  Capable of using
their brains but think they can already do everything
better than middle age has been.  Bottom line
they can not fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

NATZ's - bred to be a superior race!
of white lab rats to experiment on.

Yale - taught courses backing hippies.
Skull and Bones

Kinnsey Report

England - a prince that is bowing over backwards
to do well.  Like any "Good" movie star or waitress
He lives to help the people.  Is first royal to have a
college education and learned Celtic.  Also publicly
advocates organic farming.

Holland - a major center of pedifilia since at least the
early 1980's.

Belgium - gradually taken over * Home of NATO *
America is home of NATO's military division

Jews - being scrap goats, why?

adding this to the next part (which is a essay) some or
conspicuous by their absence.
Egypt
Syria
Arabia
So ask yourself which religions or beliefs would not
think of homosexuals as abnormal?

American numbers are Arabic
Egypt was a major center of learning - but only of the privileged
Syria

which religion in that region believes in suicidal actions for their
religion.

Where did the money backing for Hitler come from
Bush was one, but
gas and oil
Sooo, who might consider themselves and their religion the
chosen one(s)?

I still say that humans are not the majority,
that it is bacteria.
any time a major center of learning
was put together it was destroyed.
They bogarted their waste and thought
that it was detrimental to allow everyone to learn.

Yet once the Hapsburg dynasty cleaned itself it stayed
in power for over 3 centuries.  Austria was a major
center of education for all.

I wish I knew enough about that area and their
relgions to go into more detail, but the road seems
to lead their.  Homosidal maniacs with suicidal tendincies
if they are doing this.  Who controls the purse strings.
Who is bombing their advisaries?  The ones that
say that this is not the way to go.

Who is putting in homosexualism as a survival chariteristic.
Zero population growth, for who?
Who is making that homosexualism is pedifilism?

original war Crusades was against the Muslims
 (Got this from my college history book, "Readings for U.S. History
2nd Edition" Senior Editor Dr. Michael A. White by Kendall/Hunt of
Dubuque, Iowa (c) 1992- the story was called
"John Smith Before Jamestown")

about 1601
"John Smith was now about to plunge into the nightmare world
of eastern Europe:  where Catholics fought Protestants, or Turks,
and Protestants fought Turks, or Catholics, or renegade mercenaries,
or all three: where Germans fought Hungarians or Turks or Both:
where Hungarians were sometimes both Austrian allies and Turkish
vassals."

"This was a world where the Austrian emperor of the Holy
Roman Empire, Rudolph II, relieved his chronic insanity with
periodic fits of uncontrollable rage; where Sigismund Bathory,
Prince of Transylvania, of a family long-tainted with madness,
abdicated and reclaimed his throne no fewer than three times'
where his cousin Elizabeth, with the tran-sylvanian penchant
so reminiscent of Count Dracula, indulged in beauty baths that
ultimately took the blood, and lives, of 650 young women."

"It was a place where incessant warfare and banditry
brought desolation, famine, familial cannibalism, and other
unspeakable horrors; where lucky prisoners wee enslaved,
the less lucky butchered, and the luckless skinned alive."

Plus it was cold in Europe!  If I were a self respecting black
father or mother in which the trail of my children's manhood
may have meant being killed by my own son, which is a part
of some tribes - I am not sure of Africa countries back then.
Would I have sent them to that barbarous place?  African
gold is well known and before America the main wearing
apparel in Europe seemed to be animal skins - Yet by using
the tale of Robin Hood you could imagine that even before
Hoods time that animals were prized.  So who made it
economically feasible for America to be settled and made
a market for cotton?  Was that stuff warm in a drafty castle?
Yet, it could be dyed and this list has shown that knowledge
of dye (color) in that time, and now, was money.

It seems as if those people of dye have gone into
pharmaceuticals.  So, keeping this war alive - the different
religions, has been advantageous.  Also, if you study sugar
"Complete Guide to Macrobiotic Cooking" by Aveline Kushi
(c) 1985 Warner NY
She refers to the fact
"During the Middle Ages, when refined sugar first became
processed and entered Eu

Re: [CTRL] SEX EXPERIMENTS OF ALFRED KINSEY by Jim Keith

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

Blond blue eyed NAZI's amazingly like white lab rats.
Bred to experiment on, made to idolize themselves
so that they do not suspect the truth.
piper

Ric Carter wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Nicky Molloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > SUBVERTING SEX
> > SEX EXPERIMENTS OF ALFRED KINSEY
> > Commentary by Jim Keith
>
> > One technique of eugenics (selective breeding) and control is
> > the destruction of traditional morality, and Kinsey may have
> > accomplished more in that respect than any other man this century.
>
> "Traditional morality" included chattel slavery, dueling,
> familial abuse, blood sports, religious/ethnic/gender
> intolerance, child labor, environmental despoliation,
> and a host of other evils.  If Alfred Kinsey had a major
> role in uprooting any of these traditions, fine.  But I
> doubt it.  Nazi eugenicists were active, and discredited,
> before Kinsey published a word; and equating Nazi policies
> promoting childbearing with "sexual liberation" is absurd.
> I suspect the commentator was more interested in promoting
> sexual repression than in reflecting reality.  Bother.
>
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> gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
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> nazi's need not apply.
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Re: [CTRL] Head transplants give paralysed new hope

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Head Transplants?  Why?  Now?

Twins in WW1 and WW2
genetics experiment?
Brain Transplants is suspect.
which means that there is the potential of the
large nerves being healed.
piper

Nicky Molloy wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/Sunday-Times/stinwenws03005.html?10
> 58210
> August 29 1999 BRITAIN
>
> ©
>
> A life on hold: Christopher Reeve has shown interest in the new transplant
> research
> Photograph: Joe Traver
>
> Head transplants give paralysed new hope
> Jonathan Leake
> Science Editor
>
> A LEADING brain surgeon has unveiled plans to perform the first human head
> transplant. The operation, already carried out successfully on dogs and
> monkeys, would initially cost £800,000.
> Among those who could benefit are quadriplegics with conditions similar to
> that of Christopher Reeve, the Superman actor paralysed after a fall from a
> horse. The operation may also appeal to rich people with terminal illnesses.
>
> The technique for transplanting heads was proven in principle with small
> mammals in the early 1990s. However, it was abandoned when scientists
> realised that the extra time needed to reconnect larger human arteries and
> muscles would deprive the brain of oxygen and cause tissue damage.
>
> Last week it was claimed that this obstacle has finally been overcome.
> Robert J White, an American neurosurgeon, said he had developed a
> blood-cooling system that meant a living head could be disconnected from its
> blood supply for up to an hour without ill-effect.
>
> White and his team, based at Case Western Reserve University in Ohio, claim
> they have already practised the techniques on corpses retained for medical
> research at the American hospital where he works.
>
> The White machine cools the brain from 37C to 10C. "This slows the
> metabolism and allows plenty of time to reconnect a head to its new body.
> All we are waiting for now is the money and the patients," White said last
> week.
>
> White has carried out more than 10,000 brain operations on humans. His work
> on monkeys, which started over 20 years ago, culminated in the full head
> transplants.
>
> The animals survived for more than a week with no impairment of mental
> faculties before they were put down, for humane reasons.
>
> Head or brain transplants have long been seen as the holy grail for
> neurosurgery. In theory, they offer the nearest anyone could get to
> immortality.
>
> In reality, however, White's technique would initially have a more limited
> application. Despite many recent advances, surgeons still cannot reconnect
> or regrow severed spinal nerves. This means that, like the monkeys, anyone
> who underwent a head transplant would be paralysed from the neck down.
>
> It also means that the first candidates for such surgery would probably be
> people, like Reeve, who had already been paralysed. Quadriplegics often die
> prematurely from multiple organ failure. Transplanting their head to a new
> body could, however, give them the chance of a normal lifespan.
>
> White believes that, although the idea might shock the able-bodied, many
> quadriplegics would welcome it. "It would be hard to deny them that chance
> through squeamishness when we are already transplanting lungs, hearts and
> livers," he said.
>
> Most of the subsequent demand for head transplants would, however, almost
> certainly come from a group presenting far greater ethical problems -
> elderly or dying millionaires with enough money to pay for the operation and
> the years of aftercare.
>
> The operational procedure, described by White in a paper published last
> week, would involve two teams of surgeons. Deep incisions would be made
> around the necks to expose the six major blood vessels and the spine. The
> next step would be to cool the head by connecting it to White's new cerebral
> perfusion machine. Initially this would carry blood from the original body
> but, as the operation progressed, a second set of tubes from the machine
> would be hooked up to blood vessels of the recipient body.
>
> Then, taps would switch off the head's blood supply from the original body
> and replace it with blood from the new body.
>
> At this point the head would be detached, by severing the spinal cord, and
> then attached to the new body. Such procedures could mean halting the blood
> supply but the brain's low temperature would minimise the risk of damage.
> Then the blood vessels, muscles and skin could be sewn together using
> standard surgical techniques.
>
> Reeve, who has set up a foundation to promote research into the causes of
> paralysis and potential cures, is unders

Re: [CTRL] BUSH FAMILY'S NAZI CONNECTIONS

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watch out Forbes is "Skull and Bones"
Yale too, isn't he?
piper

Nicky Molloy wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> America's Daily Net Newspaper
> http://www.nitronews.com/specials.html
>
> BUSH FAMILY'S NAZI CONNECTIONS
> SUCCESS THANKS TO ADOLPH HITLER
>
>  Prescott Bush, grandfather to Presidential candidate George W. Bush, was
> involved in Nazi banking operations, Nitro News can reveal. The Bush
> fortune, as well as the family's political success, is directly connected to
> his questionable activities.
>
> On October 20, 1942, the US Government, under the "Trading with the Enemy
> Act," seized Prescott's Nazi operations, and took over the Union Banking
> Corporation, for which he was director.
>
> The US Alien Property Custodian grabbed the company's stock shares, all of
> which were owned by Prescott, E. Roland "Bunny" Harriman, three Nazi
> executives, and two other associates.
>
> The Government then seized two Nazi front organizations run by the
> Bush-Harriman bank. They were the Holland-American Trading Corporation and
> the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation.
>
> A 1942 US Government document also shows that Prescott Bush's bank had close
> ties with the German Steel Trust. During the war, that Trust produced a
> massive 50.8% of Nazi Germany's pig iron, 45.5% of their pipes and tubes,
> 22.1% of their wire, and 35% of their battlefield explosives.
>
> At the time, this information stunned the American public, and revealed the
> Bush family's central role in financing and arming Adolf Hitler for his
> domination of Europe. But since then, the media has virtually buried all
> such reports.
>
> Many years later, former US President George Bush Sr. was boosted into the
> CIA and then the White House, thanks to powerful Anglo-American associates.
> Those men also happened to be partners in his father's war time "Hitler
> Project."
>
> And just before he was elected into office, Bush Sr. asked William Stamps
> Farish III, one of the richest men in Texas, to manage his personal wealth.
> Bush counted on his friend not to reveal the secrets of his fortune. After
> all, Farish's family got rich through the Hitler Project too, in a lucrative
> partnership with Prescott.
>
> As another Bush races towards the White House in the drama known as Election
> 2000, the family's rampant Nazi connections remain buried below rumors of
> cocaine use. Whether the past will surface in the media, only time will
> tell.
>
> Nitro News, as a politically unbiased publication, will have an exclusive
> later this week on a new Hillary Rodham Clinton scandal brewing in New York.
> Stay with America's Daily Net Newspaper for the biggest Republican and
> Democrat scoops!
>
> 
> 
>
> BUSH STING WITNESS SPEAKS OUT
> EVIDENCE THAT COULD BURN BUSH CAMPAIGN
>
> Nitro News recently reported on the 1985 DEA video which allegedly shows
> George W. Bush, along with brother Jeb, collecting two kilos of cocaine. The
> sting was set up after receiving information from an FBI informant close to
> the Medellin cartel.
>
> The brothers arrived on the Bush family King Air from Texas to pick up the
> stash, which was delivered to them by legendary smuggler Barry Seal. Terry
> Reed was Seal's unwitting co-pilot that day.
>
> In a shock statement taped in Los Angeles this summer, Reed speaks out with
> evidence that could burn the Bush Presidential campaign:
>
> "The people who conducted the sting didn't really know who they'd stopped
> until they had to go and replay the video and check out the tail number on
> the airplane... which was registered to the Bush oil company. And upon
> closer observation, it was actually Jeb and George Jr. who were in the
> airplane."
>
> "An FBI agent was censored as a result of gathering that information, and a
> customs agent was clearly destroyed because he wanted to advance the
> investigation of the Bush family."
>
> "I just don't see how the Republicans, and especially Rush Limbaugh, can sit
> around and get behind this guy. It's my prediction he's going to melt down -
> Just absolutely evaporate."
>
> The 14-year-old tape, which reportedly captures the crime, has yet to
> surface.
>
> 
> 
>
> BUSH'S DINNER WITH A GUNRUNNER
> NITRO NEWS EXCLUSIVE
>
>  Under the parasols of Southern France, new claims are brewing this month
> about Texas Governor and Presidential candidate 

Re: [CTRL] SEX EXPERIMENTS OF ALFRED KINSEY by Jim Keith

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"decoupling of sex from procreation"
NO
decoupling of life from Education that
adults and their values are not needed
that children can be educated without parents,
people can just regurgitate the facts AND
that they Never have to put them together.
What subject are needed for what majors?
Are all basic history courses needed, all basic
psychology, sociology - you get the idea.
Like making a cake and leaving out half the ingredients.

Take this guy as a example:
i respect what he is trying to do, but
if he has kids is he involved in their education
as well as ours.  Would I say he is following the
base line of SURVIVAL but being a gigolo at home?
Sex is survival and when it is not needed for procreation
then
Education is survival - so what are they / what have they done.
They are suicidal, and want to make us that way too.
piper

Nicky Molloy wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> America's Daily Net Newspaper
>
> http://www.nitronews.com/keith.html
>
> SUBVERTING SEX
> SEX EXPERIMENTS OF ALFRED KINSEY
>
> Commentary by Jim Keith
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> An effective foot soldier in the subjugation of the masses was the
> Rockefeller-funded Alfred C. Kinsey, the co-author of the highly influential
> Sexual Behavior In The Human Male, and other volumes. One technique of
> eugenics (selective breeding) and control is the destruction of traditional
> morality, and Kinsey may have accomplished more in that respect than any
> other man this century.
>
> Kinsey studied at the Bussey Institution at Harvard in the 1920s (at the
> time a hotbed of eugenics research), then moved on to teach at Indiana
> University, where his work in cultural deconstruction would ultimately
> succeed in decimating American sexual mores, help to fragment the family,
> and would leave the population far more vulnerable to reproductive,
> cultural, familial, and mind programming.
>
> Kinsey, always portrayed in the press as a wholesome "leave it to Beaver"
> style family man, was "one of the scholarly eugenicists of pre-World War
> II", according to biographer James Jones. Kinsey recommended that a portion
> of the "lower classes" be sterilized to foster a more robust gene pool.
> Among his intimates was Dr. Ewen Cameron, the infamous CIA-funded mind
> control doctor.
>
> Another of Kinsey's influences was Dr. Herrmann Muller, one of his
> colleagues at Indiana University. Muller, who had begun receiving
> Rockefeller funding from the National Research Council in 1925, received a
> Guggenheim grant in 1932 to pursue his work in the genetics department of
> the Rockefeller-funded Kaiser Wilhelm Brain Resarch Institute in Berlin.
> Muller studied under Ernst Rudin, who was to become the head of the Nazi
> Racial Hygiene Society. One of the benefits of Rudin's policy for the
> extermination of hereditary undesirables in Germany was that it provided a
> continual harvesting of fresh brains for the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute.
>
> Influenced by the Great Beast
>
> Another of Kinsey's apparent influences was the occultist Aleister Crowley,
> "the Great Beast," known in the press as "the wickedest man alive." Kinsey
> visited Crowley's Thelema Abbey shortly before his death in 1955. Although
> it has not been established that Kinsey used Crowley as a research source in
> his books, they shared many friends and acquaintances, such as occultist
> film maker Kenneth Anger, American Nazi George Sylvester Viereck, and French
> pedophile Rene Guyon.
>
> Anger has said, "Kinsey was obsessed with obtaining the Great Beast's
> (Crowley's) day-to-day sex diaries... To obtain grant monies and maintain
> the support of the university, Kinsey needed the excuse of research to
> validate his twenty-four-hours-a-day obsession with sex. However, Prok's
> (Kinsey's nickname) battle cry of 'Do your best and let other people react
> as they will' seemed a variation on Crowley's 'Do what thou wilt' maxim.
> (i.e. "Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law").
>
> Increased illicit sexual conduct
>
> Kinsey's most effective weapon for psychological warfare on the world was
> his Rockefeller-funded study of American sexuality, the most famous volume
> being his vaunted study of "normal" sexuality, Sexual Behavior In The Human
> Male, published in 1948. 200,000 copies of the book were sold within the
> first two months of its publication.
>
> Kinsey was funded by the Rockefeller Foundation and, according to Judith A.
> Reisman, PhD, the author of Kinsey: Crimes And Consequences, "Kinsey's
> quantitative research, and his numbers, were a perfect fit for Rockefeller
> to utilize

Re: [CTRL] Fresh Quotes for Fighting Fabian Socialist permeation.

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Bard
I do not know how to tell you this - BUT -
they did not envision a Christian Nation!

George Washington's letter to the Jewish Congregation at
   Newport
http://www.tncrimlaw.com/civil_bible/hebrew_congregation.htm
And America did not get where it is because of Puritanism.
Doing away with the Lords and the history they represent - -
Ich well, you do like cutting off your nose to spite you face,
do you not!
piper

Bard wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Brothers and Sisters,
> Pass these along to your Contacts for use as
> prefixes or suffices to messages.
>
> A patriot without religion in my estimation is as great a paradox as an
> honest Man without the fear of God.
> Is it possible that he whom no moral obligations binds, can have any real
> Good Will towards Men?
> Can he be a patriot who, by an openly vicious conduct, is undermining the
> very bonds of Society? ...
> The Scriptures tell us "righteousness exalteth a Nation."
> -- Abigail Adams
>
> Sink the Bible to the bottom of the ocean, and still man's obligations to
> God would be unchanged.
> He would have the same path to tread, only his lamp and his guide would be
> gone 
> -- Henry Ward Beecher
>
> I am sure that never was a people, who had more reason to acknowledge a
> Divine interposition in their affairs, than those of the United States; and
> I should be pained to believe that they have forgotten that agency, which
> was so often manifested during our Revolution, or that they failed to
> consider the omnipotence of that God who is alone able to protect them.
> -- George Washington
>
> It is a great consolation for me to remember that the Lord, to whom I had
> drawn near in humble and child-like faith, has suffered and died for me, and
> that He will look on me in love and compassion.
> -- Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
>
> 
> 
>
> We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom all men ought to be
> obedient.
> He reigns in heaven and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His
> kingdom come.
> -- Samuel Adams
>
> 
> 
>
> They [the Founding Fathers] were intent upon establishing a Christian
> commonwealth in accordance with the principle of self-government.
> They were an inspired body of men.
> It has been said that God sifted the nations that He might send choice grain
> into the wilderness 
> Who can fail to see in it the hand of destiny? Who can doubt that it has
> been guided by a Divine Providence.
> -- Calvin Coolidge
>
> 
> 
>
> You have the highest of human trusts committed to your care.
> Providence has showered on this favored land blessings without number, and
> has chosen you as the guardians of freedom, to preserve it for the benefit
> of the human race.
> May He who holds in His hands the destinies of nations, make you worthy of
> the favors He has bestowed, and enabled you, with pure hearts and hands and
> sleepless vigilance, to guard and defend to the end of time, the great
> charge He has committed to your keeping.
> -- Andrew Jackson
>
> 
> 
>
> The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind.
> Where, say some, is the king of America?
> I'll tell you, friend, He reigns above.
> -- Thomas Paine
>
> 
> 
>
> I am much afraid that schools will prove to be the great gates of hell
> unless they diligently labor in explaining the Holy Scriptures, engraving
> them in the hearts of youth.
> I advise no one to place his child where the scriptures do not reign
> paramount.
> Every institution in which men are not increasingly occupied with the Word
> of God must become corrupt.
> -- Martin Luther
>
> 
> 
>
> I do not believe human society, including not merely a few persons in any
> state, but whole masses of men, ever have attained, or ever can attain, a
> high state of intelligence, virtue, security, liberty, or happiness without
> the Holy Scriptures; even the whole hope of human progress is suspended on
> the ever-growing influence of the Bible.
> -- W

Re: [CTRL] SHINEBOY.COM NEWS #4

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Boy Scouts having to let in homosexuals
with males acquiring breasts soon we will see
  MS. America having to let who compete?
All web shopping?
Why not having the store deliver
Virtual Reality Teachers
Who needs teachers in the class room?
Who will need lawyers if the kids are taught to
  not need them?
Doctors, not if you know what chemicals a
  person has ingested in their food.
Insurance?  Why, when you know what the
  disease if cause by.  Because you know
the chemicals in the food and the person can not sue anyway.
Surplus?
Why do you need people - to farm and help
you keep control of what you have acquired.
so why have a military anymore?
Why need people anymore?
Setting this up for a major American die off
and then the US to be the bread basket to the
world, with control of technology in other areas.
Get rid of any of the old guard.
any of the aristricy that has studied enough about history.
After the Lords and Ladies because of politics?  No.
 Because they know that to keep control your people
have to be educated at a level - that is at least equal
to everyone else's, if not higher.

Politics?  Bah Humbug!  Education and the
belief in Education.  Retainers, might think to
protect the families that have protected them.

English type Chinese Obligation.  Commitment.
Education.  You are old enough to know the answer
when you are old enough to ask the question.
Adults have their hands tied because no one knows to
ask the right questions.
This idea has been world wide, and the main propaganda
is to get rid of education and commitment.

need I say more?
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Kris Millegan wrote:

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>
> from alt.conspiracy
> -
> As always, Caveat Lector.
> Om
> K
> -
> SHINEBOY.COM NEWS #4
> -
> Subject: SHINEBOY.COM NEWS #4
> From: "Shineboy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 27 August 1999 02:17 AM EDT
> Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Shineboy.com News - Aug. 23 - 27
> 
>
> www.shineboy.com
>
> Cashiers offed by cards, fingerprints
> http://www.shineboy.com/Stories/990827a.html
>
> You don't need a teller to get money out of your bank, and you won't need a
> cashier to get groceries out of the store. In fact, you won't need the Web
> either.
>
> You may need International Automated Systems Inc. -- or a company like
> them -- which will allow you to buy groceries and other items from virtually
> workerless stores.
>
> IAS just finished five weeks of testing its automatic fingerprint
> identification machine, or AFIM, which uses biometric technology to create
> the world's first self-cashiering supermarket in Salem, Utah, called
> U-Check.
>
> It's so simple, IAS says, that even a child can use it. A child with a
> checking account, at least.
>
> **
> Perspective -- Fear drives disintermediation
> http://www.shineboy.com/Stories/990826a.html
>
> In the history of humanity, there is perhaps no stronger motivator than
> fear. In some fashion -- whether its fear of starvation, failure, darkness,
> embarassment, loneliness, age, large dogs or poverty -- fear has at some
> point driven each one of us.
>
> Fear is now being used to help ignite an economic revolution that will kill
> off American jobs.
>
> Dell Computer CEO and Chairman Michael Dell says the Internet is like "a
> weapon sitting on the table ready to be picked up by you or your competitor
> ... The Internet will be your business, and if it's not already, you're
> probably in trouble."
>
> Adds Bank One CEO John McCoy, according to the Wall Street Journal: "I'm not
> about ready to sit here and let somebody else take my business."
>
> **
> Sites try to hook kids on Web shopping
> http://www.shineboy.com/Stories/990825a.html
>
> If you're buzzing hard on Web hype and believe the e-commerce revolution is
> now, just wait about 20 years or so.
>
> That's when the kiddies of today start to wield their true consuming power.
> And they'll be just as comfortable with the Web as Gen Xers were with the
> local mall.
>
> Not ones to miss an opportunity, the Web entrepreneurs are out to get the
> kids hooked on Internet shopping while they're still young. Which explains
> sites like iCanBuy.com, which is taking on the noble task of teaching teens
> and kids to spend online.
>
> To boost traffic, iCanBuy is offering 6 percent interest in online checking
> accounts set up through Security First Network Bank and $30 gift
> certificates with deposits of at least $100. Competitive rates among banks
> average a

Re: [CTRL] Misc-ing Links

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Do you know of some good sites
that compare / define
Democracy
Communism
ect?
Mark Twain's writings on the War of the Philippines
and researching the Spanish American war helped too.

Alamaine Ratliff wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> >From www.fed-soc.org/prerequisites.htm
>
> > THE CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERTARIAN PRE-LAW READING LIST:
> >
> > An Introduction to American Law for Undergraduates and Others
> >
> > Michael DeBow
> > Roger Clegg
> >
> > This web site offers an annotated reading list designed to give
> > beginning students of the American legal system a basic
> > understanding of the fundamentals of that system, and an
> > appreciation of the role the legal system has played in America's
> > achievement of levels of freedom and material abundance beyond
> > anything the world had previously seen.
> >
> > A student encountering the legal system for the first time can
> > find it a foreboding subject - complex, technical, deep. Our goal
> > here is to demonstrate that, at one level of understanding, quite
> > the opposite is true. The American legal system, properly
> > understood, depends on a few basic concepts that can be quickly
> > grasped by a serious student. The most important of these
> > concepts are private property ownership, freedom of contract, and
> > limited government. Why should anyone bother to learn
> > anything of these ideas? We offer three answers to this question.
> > The first has to do with gratitude. Given that many people
> > sacrificed all or a portion of their lives to bequeath us this
> > governmental and economic system, it doesn't seem much to ask
> > that we at least understand how it works.
>
> Via Bruce Calder's This Day in History
>
> > -France-
> > Europe takes a giant step towards ensuring a lasting peace today
> > as delegates from 15 countries, meeting in the French Foreign
> > Ministry in Paris, sign a Pact for the Renunciation of War. Using
> > a large gold pen, Gustav Stresemann, the German Foreign Minister
> > is the first to sign, prompting loud cheering. The agreement is
> > largely the work of Frank Kellogg, the US Secretary of State, in
> > collaboration with Aristide Briand, the French Foreign Minister.
> > Eventually, 62 countries will sign the pact. Briand had proposed
> > that France and the USA should sign a treaty renouncing war as an
> > instrument of national policy. Kellogg then suggested a
> > multilateral pact to which all nations should have the
> > opportunity of signing. The pact of course proves to be
> > worthless.
> >
> > Encyclopedia.Com - Kellogg-Briand Pact
> >   http://www.encyclopedia.com/articles/06886.html
> > The Kellogg-Briand Pact and Associated Documents
> >   http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/kbpact/kbmenu.htm
> > Briand, Aristide (1862-1932)
> >   http://ukdb.web.aol.com/hutchinson/encyclopedia/01/M0018001.htm
> > The World at War - 1889-1932
> >   http://www.euronet.nl/users/wilfried/ww2/tot-1931.htm
> > Calvin Coolidge (1923-1929) - Foreign Affairs
> >   http://web-cr05.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/amex/presidents/nf/record/co
> >   ol/coolfp .html
> > The Diplomatic Prelude to the Second World War
> >   http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~pv/courses/prewar/resources.html
>
> A<>E<>R
> ~~~
> The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking
> new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust
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> it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your
> own reason and your common sense." --Buddha
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> one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller,
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> prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell
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> "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart
> information and ideas through any media and regardless
> of frontiers."
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Re: [CTRL] Poll-Ooo-Shun

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This is not proof read - I do a good job in just
getting some things posted.  Will redo this for the
web site, though most of the basic ideas are already
on my web site
.

Japan backing Aspartame and Monsanto
needs to stop.  But to think that they are the
majority?  Not with the way they are using
antibiotic soap and poisoning their area too.

They need to do a through study
of the managial system but they need to start
studying history with Charlegmegne.

-- Now to go on to the rest of my thread --

With the potential of intananious transportation
one central food point - saying that food has to be
irradiated, so that people do not realize that humans
could be transported (maybe even a brain being
"exchanged" on the move) -- anyway
a food monopoly - with food and supplies being
delivered to you house.  They will know all additives
so that they can keep track of how human "lab rats"
react to the chemicals.  The best "lab rats" would be
blond, blue eyed ones (like in Ice Land or the Aryans)
that do not have all those extra (pesky) genes to worry
about.

1960' TV slowed it
satellite TV slowed things
the Internet stands in the way

Over seas things have happened like
infants developing breasts.  Dioxins are
having to be fazed out!  It takes three years to
be certified organic, yet there are already some
farms that are.  When the full dioxin / hormone
-- dioxin and other chemicals - like herbicides, pesticides,
chlorine, and fluoride that we get from plants and animals.
thing lands on us, farmers will have no warning
since the EPA will not be allowed to post these
farms or their products as polluters, so they will
lose their farms.  Even if they do go organic, have
you noticed how many smaller grocery stores are
going under?  Where will the farmers sell their produce?

someone is looking at the potential of putting matter transmission
online but before they do that they are putting in irradiation and
using antibiotics, and hormones with animals and
pesticides, herbicides in food to kill the good
bacteria so that e-coli can flourish.  Getting the
meat packing plants, who owns the banks that
are foreclosing on the farm land?

Why now?  Space travel and the fact that soon education
will be a in-fad and lame brains will get shown up for
what they are, so the lame brains are going for the monopolies now!
Also they are thinking what would someone
do if they were sued for a persons potential earnings
if that person would have lived 1, 2, or 3 hundred years -
Now you know why Zero population growth and why
children are surplus.  There are some definite reasons
why those lame brains should not do their monopoly!

When NASA needs people that have multiple degrees people
should not be weeded out in the lower grades.  Where would we
be in space travel if solar had really been allowed to take off.  Also
when many of the aging population could be the ones to help get
space habitat going, what could be another reason why this is
happening?  Because they need to thin out some of their
mistakes - and if they can own the world while they are at
it, they think so much the better.  Life is diversity, and
they advocate getting rid of many of the different ethics.
We need the diversity and to study how different areas
have adapted to their bacteria.

*Nazi white lab rats called Aryans could realize that nutrition is
  the main reason for IQ -not- genetics.
*That many people
  would not have the time for "hate crimes".
*That you can give people back their history
  - no matter how blood thirsty without a continuance
  of old feuds since - it seems as if bacteria is the main
  reason for the feuds.
** consider:  Bacteria is male and female in one organism.
They spar with their male organs, The one that gets speared
is the one that has to use it's resources to replicate.
-- high survival index? !!
Bacteria is a part of every organism from plants to animals and humans.
Humans have bacteria in their stomachs that help them
digest food and if that bacteria were not there you would
die.  Animals have to be more interesting than plants from a bacterial
point of view,
1) but plants can live longer
2) do not need animals to survive
we need plants to survive
3) can live anywhere in the world
which life form would bacteria protect?

Any time a major center of civilization has
been put together, compiled or collected it has
been destroyed.  WHY?  Because they started
bogarting their fertilizer
Majority rules - and humans are not the majority,
also since we seem to be nothing more than
walking fertilizer units - does it matter if we are
educated or not?  With the amount of interesting
bacteria coming in from outer space it seems as
if that basic survival index would want to try to
go to the source - but not at the risk of being
killed here.  By my thinking this would
mean that many of the Europeans that came to
the New World (America) *New World Order*
Were homicidal 

Re: [CTRL] Internet Schizo Alert

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

Aol user wrote:
But what you are saying does not square with:

> >  DOPAMINE EXCESS is THE biochemical diagnosis of SCHIZOPHRENIA.


>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Sorry, meaning that tennis pros aren't usually schizophrenics.

That is the idea - this article does not make sense.
piper

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Re: [CTRL] Internet Schizo Alert

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Dopamine "seems" to be involved in each and every
learning process.  Wonder if they have every checked
on the excess of Dopamine that a tennis player or a chess
player (just two examples) might have.  I imagine that
the average person in a spelling bee is would be classed
as having a excess of Dopamine as well?
piper

Andrew Hennessey wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> please circulate:
>
> There appears to be something in that great organic pipeline ;)
>
> Scottish Daily Record, monday august 23 1999, page 5
>
> 'INTERNUTS NEED MEDICAL CARE'
> People hooked on the internet are mentally ill and need help, psychologists
> say.
> And those who surf more than four hours a day could soon be treated on the NHS
> [UK hospital system - eg. psychiatric hospital/mental health act etc]
> Brussels advisers say it creates high brain levels of Dopamine -
> linked to gambling fever
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Yes we should be getting brainwashed on television much more than we do - AND
>  DOPAMINE EXCESS is THE biochemical diagnosis of SCHIZOPHRENIA. *
>
> The article tones it down and makes the internet sound a bit of a risky
> gamble, but we all know that HEALTHY PERSON PROGRAMME from the WHO will
> want to make sure we didn't have access to anything that made us mentally
> ill !!! like the analysis of their motivations for this !
>
> Andrew Hennessey
>
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Re: [CTRL] fluoride & dollar$

[piper]

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These links (which include one for the Manhattan Project)
are on my chem.htm page.
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/chem.htm#fluoride
TOP
   Fluoride

 fluoride: The Fight Over Fluoride Continues
 http://www.phillynews.com/inquirer/98/Nov/18/lifestyle/FLUO18.htm
 http://www.all-natural.com/fleffect.html

 fluoride: "Scientific Facts on the Biological Effects of
 Fluorides" Fluoride Issues
 http://www.sonic.net/~kryptox/fluoride.htm

 fluoride http://www.garynull.com/documents/fluoridation.htm

 fluoride
http://www.garynull.com/Documents/Nutrition&Mind/nutrition&mind-7.htm

 (see statement by Dr. Michael Schacter)Fluoride
 http://www.cadvision.com/fluoride/index.htm

 fluoride: http://www.fluoride-journal.com/

 Intl Society for Fluoride Research
 fluoride http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/

 Fluoride and the A-Bomb Program During the ultra-secret
 Manhattan Project, a report was commissioned to assess the effect of
 fluoride on humans. That report was classified "secret" for reasons of
 "national security". http://www.altnews.com.au/nexus/fluoridebomb.html

 fluoride http://www.holisticmed.net/add/mullenix.txt

 # archives of Dr. Phyllis Mullenix' presentation related
 to fluoride compounds and neurotoxicity: "Study flags
 new formaldehyde risks"
 http://www.msnbc.com/news/231529.asp#BODY

Dave wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Dear Ms. Hall:
>
> You are massively misinformed.
>
> Fluoride is RAT POISON. In no way should it be CONSUMED.
> Limited topical treatment with Fluoride and proper poison-containment
> barrier methods is one thing- I am not prepared to condemn such practice..
> PROVIDED that the barrier methods are used to prevent ingestion of POISON.
>
> Please find ONE acceptably objective scientific survey PROVING  fluoridated
> water supply to be beneficial to teeth.
>
> You will not find ONE, because NONE exist. On the contrary, accurate
> anectdotal surveys abound, which indicate a GREATER cost of dental care in
> FLUORIDATED communities.
> Does this not tell you something?
> Open your mind to the truth, if you dare.
>
> VERY, VERY MUCH information is available, in scientifically peer-reviewed
> form- of the DEFINITE and PROVEN danger/damage caused by ingestion of (rat
> poison) FLUORIDE.
>
> I pity you if you cannot see the truth, laid plain before your eyes
>
> A mind is a terrible thing to waste... and fluoride is PROVEN to be a
> mind-wasting toxin.
>
> Thank dangerous elements within the government and the ADA (American Dental
> Association) for inflicting it upon the populace.
>
> Some SMALL thanks may be given to several government agencies, such as
> FDA, who states FLUORIDE is an "UNAPPROVED DRUG/additive."
> EPA, who states that FLUORIDE containing products must be labelled as
> POISONS, and that fluoride is a TERATOGEN.
>
> ADA is criminally liable for perpetrating a fraud of incredible proportions
> on the populace with the collusion of SOME government agencies. At last
> notice, ADA fraudulently claimed both FDA and EPA approval for municipally
> fluoridated water.
>
> All of this is public record, and easily proven... with the possible
> exception of some still-classified government research from the Manhattan
> Project, which first revealed sodium-fluoride to be an extremely deleterious
> chemical toxin in association with government ordered tests related to
> atomic bomb projects... which information, via government sponsored tests,
> has obviously been in the possession of U.S. "security interests" for 50
> years...  enough is available via Fredom of Information Act requests to
> prove the basic facts as stated. (keywords: uranium hexaFLUORIDE,
> hydroFLUORIC gas & acid, cesium fluoride)
>
> Fluoride is a by-product of the nuclear industry (a form of nuclear waste)
> and also a toxic waste by-product of the aluminum industry, and also a toxic
> waste by-product of the artificial chemical fertilizer industry.
>
> Converting "toxic waste" (per EPA {U.S. Environmental Protection Agency})
> into an "unapproved drug/additive" (per FDA {U.S. Food and Drug
> Administration}) by selling it to municipalities is a major financial coup.
>
> A small municipal water supplier states 1997 yearly facts:
>
> Total Fluoride (12,383.6 kg)27,276.7 lbs
> dispensed in  (3,235,880.0 m3)711,808,180.0 Imp. Gal
>
> Over thirteen TONS of toxic waste successfully "disposed" of in one small
> municipality in one year- the "savings" to industry by virtually donating
> this poison (cost to municipalities, approx. $200/ton, roughly equivalent to
> SHIPPING costs and shipped in containers marked POISON XX per Federal
> regulations)  is ASTRONOMICAL.  How much per ton would it cost to legally
> dispose of pure RAT POISON in an ETHICAL manner?  $10,000 per ton? more?
> less? maybe only $5,000? -- in any case, the "savings" to the nuclear,
> alum

Re: [CTRL] Internet Schizo Alert

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

personally I know of a lot of mentally balanced
Schizos.  Seems as if they are afraid of these
mentally balanced Schizos.  Who are these
mentally balanced Schizos?  People that can
control a lot of different personalities?
Who is your favorite Science Fiction author?
Me?
I am a Connecticut Yankee in King Author's Court
(from a Mark Twain Book)
The Court?
The Court of the Authors!
some have aspired to do it better than
I can, they do not have my data base,
or they want to be a expert - me
I am a Paul Harvey want be.
Been accused of being a pre cog...
[That is what 32 years of reading science fiction
can do to you]
I just think - some of these ideas (that
some think are privileged information)
were written about 10 or 20 or 30 or 40
years ago.
Or
they are just selling you
your (cultures) history - all over again.
Considering that I am learning to be a author
and that group that talks about Schizos uses
words to sell snake oil - - -
should I make up a batch too?  School is
expensive, and I could use the financial help...
piper -
with the muscles between my ears picking up
a line of un-fertile hog wash!  Couch Potato get
thy behind me, and be gone!!


Andrew Hennessey wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> please circulate:
>
> There appears to be something in that great organic pipeline ;)
>
> Scottish Daily Record, monday august 23 1999, page 5
>
> 'INTERNUTS NEED MEDICAL CARE'
> People hooked on the internet are mentally ill and need help, psychologists
> say.
> And those who surf more than four hours a day could soon be treated on the NHS
> [UK hospital system - eg. psychiatric hospital/mental health act etc]
> Brussels advisers say it creates high brain levels of Dopamine -
> linked to gambling fever
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Yes we should be getting brainwashed on television much more than we do - AND
>  DOPAMINE EXCESS is THE biochemical diagnosis of SCHIZOPHRENIA. *
>
> The article tones it down and makes the internet sound a bit of a risky
> gamble, but we all know that HEALTHY PERSON PROGRAMME from the WHO will
> want to make sure we didn't have access to anything that made us mentally
> ill !!! like the analysis of their motivations for this !
>
> Andrew Hennessey
>
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Re: [CTRL] Aspartame links AND some more INFO part 2

[piper]

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my first post was a gross typo - the current subject line is
what was meant.  No excuse, but the reason - was kids and
being under a deadline here.  Some times
I wonder what we are fighting.  Humans or mammals are
not the majority life form on Earth, do not have the highest
survival index and will soon be gone from Earth at this rate.
What does?  Study bacteria.  They are basing things on
chemicals, I base my research on the Biological reactions.
The bacterial reactions.  Trees and other plants can live
without us, our governments make no difference, puritanism
, sovietism has no meaning.  World Control?  Survival and
life has always been diversity - their way is monopoly which is
suicidal.  Will flesh this out and post it on my site.
piper

piper wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> http://www.trufax.org/menu/chem.html#aspartame
>  Chemical Manipulation of Consciousness, Behavior,
>   Health and Evolutionary Potential in the Human Population
> This page has mega links and I found this from
> http://www.trufax.org/menu/chem.html
> and this link is from
> http://www.ioa.com/~davehart/altmedcon.htm
>
> what I have not been able to find on-line
> http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/chem.htm
> Is this report from the American Dietetic Association *
> here is a summary 
>  Journal
>   of the American Dietetic Association, July 1997 v97 n7 p793 (2)
>   "We think your son has Lennox-Gastaut syndrome'- a case study
>   monosodium glutamate's effect on a child Author: Anne Shovic,
>  Robert D. Bart and Apryll M. Stalcup Electronic collection:
>   A19792007 RN: A19792007 Glutamate a free amino acid or as a
>  constituent in proteins. Aspartame - "Although most of the
>   neurologic concerns associated with aspartame have centered on
>  phenylalanine, one of the amino acids that comprise the dipeptide,
> it should be noted that aspartate, the other amino acid in the
>   dipeptide, and glutamate bind to many of the same receptor sites
>in vivo, are subject to many of the same transport mechanisms,
>  and undergo interconversion via aspartate aminotransferase." "It is
> also interesting to note that the incidence of febril seizures in
>  young children is almost five times higher in Japan, where MSG is
> more commonly used as an additive, than it is in the United
>States." This report has a long list of References.
> --
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> The true test is to give a person power.
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[CTRL] Aspartame links some more

[piper]

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http://www.trufax.org/menu/chem.html#aspartame
 Chemical Manipulation of Consciousness, Behavior,
  Health and Evolutionary Potential in the Human Population
This page has mega links and I found this from
http://www.trufax.org/menu/chem.html
and this link is from
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart/altmedcon.htm

what I have not been able to find on-line
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/chem.htm
Is this report from the American Dietetic Association *
here is a summary 
 Journal
  of the American Dietetic Association, July 1997 v97 n7 p793 (2)
  "We think your son has Lennox-Gastaut syndrome'- a case study
  monosodium glutamate's effect on a child Author: Anne Shovic,
 Robert D. Bart and Apryll M. Stalcup Electronic collection:
  A19792007 RN: A19792007 Glutamate a free amino acid or as a
 constituent in proteins. Aspartame - "Although most of the
  neurologic concerns associated with aspartame have centered on
 phenylalanine, one of the amino acids that comprise the dipeptide,
it should be noted that aspartate, the other amino acid in the
  dipeptide, and glutamate bind to many of the same receptor sites
   in vivo, are subject to many of the same transport mechanisms,
 and undergo interconversion via aspartate aminotransferase." "It is
also interesting to note that the incidence of febril seizures in
 young children is almost five times higher in Japan, where MSG is
more commonly used as an additive, than it is in the United
   States." This report has a long list of References.
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Re: [CTRL] THAT'S WHAT CHRISTIANS DO NOW - By Donald E. Wildmon· AFA President

[piper]

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check out the potential for the decline of the
male portion of the human race.
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm
Males are being
set up for musical marriages, ect.  Think of those
that protest unwed mothers - how many males will
there be?  How many males have already had several
marriages?  Will anyone notice?  We are supporting
propaganda that is slated for a lesbian population.
If you do not support welfare children who will have
the statistics on the children?  Dead beat dads?
But it is the fault of the woman?
http://www.home-ed-press.com/INF/FREE/hsinfo_far1.html
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/myths.htm
home schoolers hearing propaganda that
you are suppose to be married and religious to
home school - so anyone that they know that
does not follow that theme is in the front of their minds.
Children that are having problems with education
Why?
go down to the first set of links on this page
but the whole page is applicable.
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/chem.htm
I like my males organic (original equipment and not plastic)
and I do not think we should have to clone them.
Ah Well -
Think of the future
Cloned males
{hard to have a population or ethnic if you can not
breed them - no males unless allowed}
Children taught (programmed) by a virtual reality helmet
Who will need shrinks to hand out the medication
programmed to not need
teachers
lawyers
doctors
*To educate you will need minds and they
are being poisoned - there goes the future of the
towns and states
*To own land you will need to be organic
so their goes farmers and town incomes
*To be a drug dealer you will need a degree soon
so the smugglers that have supported some towns
will soon not be able to.

all done by computer from a central point through
their implanted ID chip.
Surplus gone, monopoly created, no public uprising.
why should this not happen?
Creation is diversity
Life is diversity
ALL life - do not stop at human wars
even during humans wars didn't creation of life
forms continue?
Humans and mammals are not the majority life for on
Earth.
Majority rules
Survival, food, replication are the basic needs
So who has the majority on Earth, will ensure
their survival, the pollination of plants by a form
the will multiply at the same rate that we use
chemicals that cut out their predators?  Ants
for one and there may be more.
Think of it plants can live without us
so if you had a high survival index what
life form would you support - to survive?
piper



Bill wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> This is a joke right?
>
> > MAG wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Subj: Commentary: "That's What Christians Do Now"
> >
> > Date: 8/10/99 6:40:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time
> >
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Buddy Smith)
> >
> > American Family Association <>< AFA ACTION ALERT
> >
> > 8/10/99
> >
> > Dr. Donald E. Wildmon, President
> >
> > Tim Wildmon, Vice President
> >
> > P.O. Drawer 2440
> >
> > Tupelo, Mississippi 38803
> >
> > Telephone 601/844-5036
> >
> > URL's http://www.afa.net
> >
> > +
> >
> > Visit our Website - www.afa.net - read about the protest
> > at a Disney
> >
> > "Hometown Parade" over the weekend in Pocatello, Idaho.
> >
> > +
> >
> > THAT'S WHAT CHRISTIANS DO NOW - By Donald E. Wildmon · AFA
> > President
> >
> > View the online version:
> > http://www.afa.net/afajournal/1999/august/pres.htm
> >
> > In 1973 The Supreme Court said it was ok to kill unborn
> > babies. Since then,
> >
> > we have killed more than the entire population of Canada.
> > And it continues.
> >
> > A woman's choice? Half of those who have died in their
> > mothers' wombs have
> >
> > been women. They didn't have a choice. It is called
> > abortion.
> >
> > Me? I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home.
> > That's what Christians
> >
> > do now.
> >
> > First, it was in dingy, dirty theaters. Then, convenience
> > stores. Then,
> >
> > grocery stores. Then on television. Now it is in the homes
> > of millions via
> >
> > the Internet. It is called pornography.
> >
> > Me, I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home.
> > That's what Christians
> >
> > do now.
> >
> > They call it no-fault. Why should we blame anyone when
> > something so tragic
> >
> > happens. Haven't they already suffered enough? Half of the
> > marriages in
> >
> > America end this way. Th

[CTRL] anyone know of this?

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[ 39 ] Treason's Peace: German Dyes and American Dupes, Senator Howard W.
Ambruster, Beechhurst Press, New York, 1947.

does anyone know of this
reference for a Fluoridation article?

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[CTRL] Mark Twain - BoondocksNet.com

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one of the sites that was a eye opener for me.
figured out why Mark Twain is not widely read,
and it is not because of the supposedly black prejudice!
piper
http://www.boondocksnet.com/

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Anti-Imperialism in the United States
Essays and contemporary texts, photographs and political cartoons introduce the organizations formed to oppose U.S. territorial and economic imperialism.

Fighting in the Philippines
A book of 127 photographs of the war published by F. Tennyson Neely in 1899.

Historical Graphics Gallery
Browse or search the photographs, political cartoons and maps included in this site.

Imperialism in the Making of America
Chronological, subject and author indices to hundreds of articles published in American magazines from the late 1800s to 1901 available online at the Making of America sites at Cornell University and the University of Michigan.

Mark Twain on the Philippines
Twain's writings on the Philippine-American War, contemporary criticism, and essays about his involvement with the Anti-Imperialist League.

Sentenaryo/Centennial
The enduring cultural and political consequences of the Philippine Revolution and Philippine-American War.

Stereoscopic Visions of War and Empire
Interpretive archive of stereoscopic photographs of the Spanish-American and Philippine-American wars, world's fairs, and other representations of the American empire.

"The White Man's Burden" and Its Critics
Rudyard Kipling's classic exhortation to empire and more than fifty contemporary responses to the poem.

World's Fairs and Expositions: Defining America and the World, 1876-1916
An extensive directory of hundreds of online resources about the expositions held in the 19th and early 20th centuries.


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Mark Twain's Anti-Imperialist Writings
>From the 1866 letters from Hawaii to his last writings on the Philippine-American War, Russia, and the Belgian Congo. Also includes biographical and critical studies, historical contexts, study guides, teaching resources, and a thorough bibliography.




         



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Frederic RemingtonIllustrated articles, from Buffalo soldiers in the West to the Santiago campaign in Cuba.
Filipinos at World's FairsDisplays of "primitive peoples" and anti-imperialist opposition to them.
To the SenateAnti-imperialist petition about atrocities in Samar and Batangas, 1902.
The Conquest of HaitiBy Herbert J. Seligmann, July 1920.
The Philippine TangleAnti-imperialist essay by philosopher William James, 1899.
Democracy or MilitarismSpeech by Jane Addams at an anti-imperialist mass meeting in Chicago, April 1899.
Filipino - American Oppositional SolidarityBy Jim Zwick, Amerasia Journal (Summer 1998).














"Benevolent Assimilation": The American Conquest of the Philippines, 1899-1903, by Stuart Creighton Miller.
Contesting Images: Photography and the World's Columbian Exposition, by Julie K. Brown.
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Re: [CTRL] more propaganda (fwd)

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 -Caveat Lector-

Sounds like they are going to put in another
monopoly and then say that most news
gathering / writers are surplus.  Does
this sound like the beginning of a government
cover-up?  When will our free speech be
"coordinated"

William Hugh Tunstall wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:28:11 -0500
>
> U.S. Creates News Agency
> Unit to Coordinate Flow of Information Overseas
>
> Associated Press
> Friday, August 13, 1999; Page A23
>
> The Clinton administration, dismayed by the success of anti-American
> propaganda worldwide, is striking back with an information offensive of
> its own: a State Department unit that will control the flow of government
> news overseas, especially during crises.
>
> The new International Public Information group, or IPI, will coordinate
> the dissemination of news from the State Department, Pentagon and other
> U.S. agencies.
>
> "What this is intended to do is organize the instruments of the federal
> government to be able to support the public diplomacy, military
> engagements and economic initiatives that we have overseas," said David
> Leavy, spokesman for the White House's National Security Council.
>
> In the recent Kosovo war, the Pentagon, State Department and White House
> poured out information each day but no single agency tried to assemble it
> so that the United States spoke with a coordinated message overseas.
>
> In many respects, the new information group is a smaller, less-structured
> successor to the independent U.S. Information Agency, which the State
> Department will absorb in October.
>
> U.S. officials say the group came about partly in response to the spread
> of unflattering or erroneous information about the United States via
> electronic mail, the Internet, cellular telephones and other
> communications advances.
>
> A new office of undersecretary of state for public diplomacy will run the
> IPI. The current USIA director, Evelyn S. Lieberman, has been nominated
> for the job.
>
> President Clinton signed a directive April 30, in the thick of the Kosovo
> war, that set out plans for IPI, although the White House did not
> formally announce the group's existence or role.
>
> An unclassified mission statement obtained by the Associated Press
> described IPI's role:
>
> "Effective use of our nation's highly developed communications and
> information capabilities to address misinformation and incitement,
> mitigate inter-ethnic conflict, promote independent media organizations
> and the free flow of information, and support democratic participation
> will advance our interests and is a critical foreign policy objective,"
> the document said.
>
> Joan Mower, director of Latin American and African programs for the
> Freedom Forum, said she worries the coordinated effort may filter
> information that should be broadly available to foreign reporters. "My
> feeling is that the more information is out there, the better," she said.
>
> The IPI will hold its first formal meeting this fall, said a government
> official involved in the process. Clinton's directive orders officials at
> the Pentagon, FBI, CIA and the departments of State, Commerce and
> Treasury to organize the group.
>
> Regular members will be senior diplomats and others in foreign policy or
> national security jobs in Washington, according to the official, who
> spoke on condition of anonymity.
>
> The rationale for IPI dates at least to the confusion and unfavorable
> media reports surrounding U.S. intervention in Haiti in 1994-1995, but
> the conflict over Kosovo is the best recent example of how the United
> States needs to fight a propaganda war in concert with military strikes,
> officials said.
>
> "President [Slobodan] Milosevic has an extensive propaganda machine,"
> Leavy said. "We've worked very hard to try to counteract that propaganda
> machine, and make sure the people in Serbia and in Kosovo have access to
> their own news--that they can make their own independent judgments."
>
> Anti-American sentiment ran high during the 78-day air war, even among
> Yugoslavs who did not support the Yugoslav president. Many Europeans also
> were leery of the airstrikes, seen as a U.S. enterprise, and reluctant to
> use heavy firepower against a modern European capital.
>
> The air war that ended in June also produced one of the worst diplomatic
> and public relations disasters in recent memory when a U.S. plane
> mistakenly bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade on May 7, killing three
> Chinese citizens.
>
> Outraged mobs rushed the American Embassy in Beijing, trapping
> then-Ambassador James Sasser inside for a time. The Chinese government
> waited days before publicizing the official apology from the United
> States, and the belated U.S. explanation was greeted with disdain by both
> the Chinese government and rock-throwing street mobs.
>
> ___
>
> DECLAR

[CTRL] [Fwd: [theseries] Thought Crimes! Senators Move to Criminalize Internet Content]

[piper]

This is Good information, expessally if you
are following GM foods.
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Http://www.y2knewswire.com/19990810or.htm

10Aug99

  A Y2KNEWSWIRE.COM Feature Article

Thought Crimes! Senators Move to Criminalize Internet
Content

The latest attempt to censor free access to information on
the Internet goes after discussions of "unapproved drugs." If
these Senators have their way, you may land in jail for merely
linking to a page that talks about colloidal silver. Join Y2K
Newswire is taking a stand against this Orweillian endeavor...

The Internet is bad for Big Government. It allows the free
communication of ideas that can't be controlled from
Washington, and it allows the low-cost education of the
American public on ideas such as banking, economics and
taxes. China learned this early on and put in place filters
that
prevent "unapproved" information from moving through the
country's computer networks. (All Internet access in China is
government-monopolized). This information, by the way,
includes topics as dangerous as, say, meditation or Buddhism
-- both of which the Communist Chinese government
considers a threat to "state security." In fact, the Chinese
government is currently engaged in hacking these meditation
web sites, destroying their content.

The United States government, as of late, seems eager to
borrow as many Commie-style controls from China as it
can... and this effort isn't limited only to Democrats. The
latest is a proposed bill, now backed by eleven Senators and
sponsored by Republican Senator Orrin Hatch (Utah), hopes
to make it illegal to post or link to a web site that
discusses the use of unapproved drugs.

While the text of such a bill is not yet publicly available,
it's no
leap in thinking to suppose it might apply to all unapproved
drugs, not just hard core ones like cocaine. Thus, if passed
in such a form, the bill would give the FDA total control
over all drug-related web content.

Want to talk about colloidal silver on the web? Too bad:
you'll
do jail time if Senators Hatch and Feinstein have their way.
Want to link to a site that talks about colloidal silver? Say
hello to Ben Dover in cell number nine. Want to discuss the
all-natural herb, Stevia? You'll be a felon.

One step further and the law prevents you from
bad-mouthing those substances approved as "safe" by the
FDA. Did your aunt go blind from drinking gallons of
aspartame-laced diet soda? You might someday go to jail for
sharing that on the 'net. It's "unapproved."

YOUR FREEDOM UNDER ATTACK
Let's face it: If such a bill were to pass, it would crush the
freedoms inherent in the Internet -- the very same freedoms
that allow sites like Y2K Newswire to exist. That's how any
government takes away power from its people, by the way:
control the flow of information. Ever wonder why nearly
every mainstream media outlet keeps telling you Y2K has
been solved even though none of them have verified much
beyond the so-called "facts" in the press releases? It's
because they are largely controlled by the same few people.
That way, all messages can be approved. And the message
they want to get out right now -- to save the banks, mostly --
is that Y2K is no big deal.

Distributed information resources scare the heck out of
every power-hungry government. Any technology that gives
individuals the power to cheaply reach millions of other
people is "dangerous" and must be immediately attacked.
That's exactly why this attack on "drug content" has begun.
Once the bill is passed and the public is comfortable with the
intrusion, Senators will move on to "guns." Should that
succeed, (making it illegal to discuss guns on a web page)
the attack can continue into other "unapproved" areas.

In barely a generation, the Internet is 100%
government-controlled, and you have -- guess what? --
China! Courtesy of Rep

Re: [CTRL] Scientists Study Aspartame/Brain Cancer Link

[piper]

 -Caveat Lector-

also you can go to
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/chem.htm#top
and find these links there (I add more as I have time)

Sugar, msg, aspartame, stevia:
  Journalists Linda and Bill Bonvie
  "What's eating kids? Maybe it's their diet"
   http://members.bellatlantic.net/~boncom/whatseatingkids.htm


  sugar:
  Blazing Tattles "Sinfully Sweet"
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~boncom/sinfullysweet.htm

  sugar:
   Blazing Tattles "Stevia"
   http://members.bellatlantic.net/~boncom/firstamendment.htm

  sugar: sugar and aspartame
   "Liquid Candy How Soft Drinks are
   Harming Americans' Health"
   http://www.cspinet.org/sodapop/liquid_candy.htm

  sugar:
   http://cnn.com/HEALTH/9812/31/health.sugar.reut/index.html

   sugar:
Stevia and Natural Sweeteners
Leading Edge Research
 "Artificial Sweeteners: Suppression of Natrual Stevia
Leaves and the extract Stevioside"
 http://trufax.org/research/f16.html

  sugar:
Leading Edge Research
"The Effect of Sugar, Synthetic Colorings
 and Flavors on the Brain"
 http://trufax.org/research/f13.html

   sugar:
 sugar, diabetes, hypoglycemia
Leading Edge Research
  "The Deliberate Use of Refined Sugar
  to Assist Degenerative Disease"
  http://trufax.org/research/f11.html

aspartame:
  http://members.bellatlantic.net/~boncom/mystery.htm

aspartame:
   "Aspartame and Stevia A Tale
 Of Two Sweetners"
http://www.vegsource.com/davis/sweeteners.htm

aspartame:
   Leading Edge Research
 "Artificial Sweeteners: Aspartame - NutraSweet - Benevia"
 http://trufax.org/research/f18.html


   Aspartame:
  Aspartame - Holistic Med
   http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/


Aspartame:
Aspartame Information on Dorway Com
 http://www.dorway.com


Aspartame:
   Aspartame International w/links to MCS International
  http://www.w3-mediator.de/mcs/index.htm


Aspartame:
Aspartame site and book
"Sweet Poison"
   http://www.sweetpoison.com/

Dave wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> It's quite well known.
> The FDA has known about it since Monsanto first rigged fraudulent tests to
> get asparta-cide approved.
> Lotsa dead rats with fat tumours.
> Keep drinking that diet soda, though- in your case it could probably do no
> further damage.
> For everyone else:
> http://www.dorway.com
>
> Dave Hartley
> http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
> http://www.ioa.com/~davehart
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of William Shannon
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 5:55 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Scientists Study Aspartame/Brain Cancer Link
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 8/3/99 2:36:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << Here are a few articles on a new study of the well-known link between
>  aspartame and brain cancer. >>
>
> ==Since when is any like between aspartame and human cancer "well
> known"??
>
> Could you produce documentation? Wuold sure like a look!
>
> Bill.
>



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Re: [CTRL] Cattle mutilation phenomena and HIV part 2

[piper]

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please check out
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/chem.htm
These are some of the links from that page
AIDS

  Was Polio Vaccine Contaminated?
   http://www.chronicillnet.org/online/bensweet.html
"formalin", "formaldehyde", and mercury MEGA links from the
   Ottawa Citizen http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/1/27/114853
 @ Is AIDS really a disease? http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/aids.html
Canadian Blood Victims File Suit http://etherzone.com/bloodgate2.html
 This article talks about getting rid of AIDS - and without drugs.
 http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558329758-763
HIV & AIDS - Rethinking AIDS WebSite - Missing Virus
  Award http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/award.htm

Nicola Molloy wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> http://www.ufo-net.clara.net/cattle_hiv.html for page.



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[CTRL] JAPAN TO LABEL 28 BIOTECH FOODS

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JAPAN TO LABEL 28 BIOTECH FOODS

TOKYO, Japan, August 5, 1999 (ENS) - Twenty-eight genetically modified
foods would have to carry identifying labels if a draft plan introduced
Wednesday by the Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries becomes
law. The draft was submitted to the Minstry's advisory panel for
consideration at a meeting August 10.
Copyright Environment News Service (ENS) 1999
For full text and graphics visit:
http://ens.lycos.com/ens/aug99/1999L-08-05-05.html

Environment




  Japan to Label 28 Biotech Foods

  TOKYO, Japan, August 5, 1999 (ENS) - Twenty-eight genetically
  modified foods would have to carry identifying labels if a
draft plan
  introduced Wednesday by the Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry
and
  Fisheries becomes law. The draft was submitted to the
Minstry's
  advisory panel for consideration at a meeting August 10.

  The advisory panel's approval of the draft, would open the way
for
  the Ministry to put the labelling requirement into practice in
April
  2001.

  The foods to be labelled include items made
  from soybeans such as tofu, miso and soy
  milk, and snack foods containing corn such as
  popcorn.

  The plan is expected to be criticized by
  consumers because it does not go far enough.
  Some syrups and oils, said by some authorities to contain the
highest
  amount of biotech food ingredients, are not covered by the
draft
  plan.

  Only genetically altered agricultural produce and processed
foods
  that are sold in retail markets are included in the labelling
plan.
  Ingredients that are marketed to the food industry would not
be
  labelled. Food manufacturers would be responsible for
labelling the
  foods.

  The list of foods to be labelled is divided into three
categories. The
  first section is for foods of enhanced nutritional value due
to genetic
  engineering. Soybean oils, for instance, can be modified to
increase
  the oleic acid content. Oleic acid is highly nutritious. This
oil would be
  labeled "high oleic acid soybean oil (genetically modified)."

  Fairview Farms in Iowa
  provides soybeans to tofu
  makers in Japan. (Photo
  courtesy Fairview Farms)

  If the foods are genetically
  altered, but their nutrients
  remain unchanged, they will be

  listed in the second category.

  Unprocessed soybeans, which
  may be in this group, would be

  labeled, "soybeans
(genetically
  modified)." Most of the 28
  foods belong to this second
  category of labeling.

  Foods with an unknown mix of
  natural and genetically
modified
  ingredients would have to
carry
  a label saying that the
modified
  ingredients are present but not specified.

  Japanese sources say that soy and corn exporting countries,
such as
  the United States and Canada do not want Japan to require the
  labelling of genetically modified foods, as they are worried
about a
  possible decline in their food exports to Japan.

  However, U.S. Agriculture Secretary Dan Glickman told
reporters July
  13 that some type of labelling will happen in the United
States
  eventually. "At the end of the day many observers, including
me,
  believe some type of informational labeling is likely to
happen. But, I
  do believe that it is imperative that such labeling does not
undermine
  trade and this promising new technology," Glickman said.

  Right now, there are about 50 genetically altered plant
varieties
  approved by U.S. Department of Agriculture.

  Beans are bein

[CTRL] Harmann, a serial killer in Germany of the early 1930's

[piper]

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An intresting exert
Can anyone say "Hate Language"
or
Eubanonics?

http://www.tarpley.net/bush22.htm
"At about this time, the Bush network we have
seen in operation at the Reader's Digest since the 1964
campaign conveniently printed an article about a
certain Willie Horton, a black convicted murderer who
was released from a Masschusetts jail on a furlough,
and then absconded to Maryland, where he raped
a white woman and stabbed her fiance. The
Massachusetts furlough program had been started by
Republican Governor Frank Sargent, but this meant
nothing. Bush was to use Willie Horton in the same
way that Hitler and the Nazis exploited the grisly
crimes of one Harmann, a serial killer in Germany of
the early 1930's, in their calls for law and order. In
Illinois in mid-June, Bush began to talk about how
Dukakis let "murderers out on vacation to terrorize
innocent people." "Democrats can't find it in their
hearts to get tough on criminals," Bush ranted. "What
did the governor of Massachusetts think he was
doing when he let convicted first-degree murderers
out on weekend passes, even after one of them
criminally, brutally raped a woman and stabbed her
fiance? Why didn't he admit his mistake? Eight
months later, he was still defending his program,
and only when the Massachusetts legislature voted by
an overwhelming majority to abolish this program
did he finally give in. I think Governor Dukakis owes
the American people an explanation of why he
supports this outrageous program."

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[CTRL] I Agree (Clinton)

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> Subject: I Agree...
>
> This letter was written by Eric Jowers, a retired Army Officer,
> who served as public affairs officer at Fort Rucker from 1989 to 1991.
> He now lives in Ozark, Alabama.
> -
> Dear Mr. President:
> It's not about sex.
> If it were about sex, you would be long gone.
> Just like a doctor, attorney or teacher who had
> sex with a patient, client or student half his age,
> you would have violated the ethics of your office
> and would be long gone.
> Just like a Sergeant Major of the Army, Gene McKinney,
> who though found not guilty, was forced to resign
> amid accusations of sexual abuse.
>
> Remember the Air Force General you wouldn't
> nominate to be Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
> because he freely admitted to an affair almost 15
> years before, while he and his wife were separated?
> Unlike you, he was never accused of having a
> starry-eyed office assistant my daughter's age
> perform oral sex on him while he was on the
> phone and his wife and daughter were upstairs.
>
> If it were about sex, you should be subjected to the
> same horrible hearings that Clarence Thomas was
> subjected to because of the accusations of Anita Hill.
> The only accusation then was that he talked dirty to her;
> he didn't even leave semen stains on her dress.
> No, it's not about sex.
> It's about character.
> It's about lying.
> It's about arrogance.
> It's about abuse of power.
> It's about dodging the draft and lying about it.
> When caught in a lie by letters you wrote,
> you concocted a story that nobody believed.
> But we excused it and looked away.
>
> It's about smoking dope, and lying about it.
> "I didn't inhale," you said.
> Sure, and when I was 15 and my buddies and I
> swiped a beer from an unwatched refrigerator,
> we drank from it, but we didn't swallow.
> "I broke no laws of the United States," you said.
> That's right, you smoked dope in England or Norway or
> Moscow; where you were demonstrating against the U.S.A.
> You lied, but we excused it and looked away.
>
> It's about you selling overnight stays in the White House to
> any foreigner or other contributor with untraceable cash.
> It's about Whitewater and Jim and Susan McDougal and
> Arkansas, Gov. Jim Guy Tucker and Vincent Foster and
> Jennifer Flowers and Paula Jones and Karen Willey and
> nearly countless others.
>
> It's about stealing the records from Foster's office while his
> body was still warm and putting them in your bedroom and
> "not noticing them" for two years.
>
> It's about illegal political contributions.
> It's about you and Al Gore soliciting contributions and selling
> influence at Buddhist temples and in the same Oval Office
> where Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt led their
> countries through the dark days of wars that threatened the
> very existence of our nation.
> But we excused you and looked away.
>
> It's about hiding evidence from Ken Starr, refusing to testify,
> filing legal motions, coaching witnesses, obstructing justice
> and delaying Judge Starr's inquiry for months and years,
> and then complaining that it has gone on too long.
> The polls agreed.
> Thank goodness that Judge Starr didn't read the polls,
> play politics or excuse you and look away.
> He held on to the evidence like a tenacious bulldog.
>
> Your supporters say that you've confessed your wrong doings
> and asked for our forgiveness.
> Listen, what you said on TV the night you testified to the grand
> jury was not a confession; overwhelming evidence is not a
> confession at all.
> Not that it would make a lot of difference.
> A murderer who contritely confesses his crime is still a murderer.
> When your "confession" didn't sell, even to your friends, you
> became more forthcoming.
>
> Maybe someday you'll confess more, but probably not.
> You've established such a pattern of lying that we can't
> believe you anymore.
> Neither can your cabinet, the Congress or any of the leaders
> of the nations of the world.
>
> When a leader's actions defame and emasculate our country
> as profoundly as yours have, it's no longer a personal matter,
> as you claim.
> It's no longer a matter among you, your family and your God.
>
> By the way, I don't believe for a minute that Hillary was unaware of
> your sexual misadventures, abuses of power and pattern of lying.
> She has been a party to your wrong doings since Whitewater
> and Jennifer Flowers just as surely as she lied about the Rose
> law firm's billings and hid the Vincent Foster evidence in your
> bedroom for two years.
> Why? So she could share in the raw power that your office carries.
> The two of you probably lied to Chelsea, but that is a matter among
> you, your family and your God.
>
> Remember the sign over James Carvill's desk during the l992 campaign?
> It said, "It's the economy, stupid! Place this sign over your desk:
> "It's about character, stupid!"
> No, it's not about sex, Mr. Presi

[CTRL] Child Murders Stun Europe - September 2, 1996 Volume 148, No. 11 - TIME International

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 http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/archive/toc/960902.toc.html
 INTERNATIONAL COVER
  UNSPEAKABLE CRIMES:
   Child Murders Stun Europe
After the bodies of two young victims
were unearthed in the backyard of
Marc Dutroux, an unemployed electrician,
shocked Belgians began to learn the extent
of his crimes


http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/archive/1996/dom/960902/covereu.html

TIME International
September 2, 1996 Volume 148, No. 11

THE TERROR AND PITY

AFTER TWO KIDNAPPED GIRLS
ARE SAVED FROM A HELLHOLE
AND TWO OTHERS ARE FOUND
DEAD, BELGIUM ERUPTS IN FURY
AT A SEX OFFENDER WHOSE
SCHEMES AUTHORITIES DID NOT
TAKE SERIOUSLY

BY JAMES WALSH

Fourteen months ago, Julie Lejeune and Melissa
Russo, both eight years old, were two happy little girls.
Playing in the fields near home, they stopped at
an overpass to wave with delight at cars streaming
down the highway below. Then they vanished.
No word, no trace, no hint of what might have
happened. The day was June 24, 1995, and their
hometown of Grace-Hollogne, a suburb of Liege in
southeastern Belgium, lay at the very heart of
West European civilization. Nearby is the German city
of Aachen, the seat of Charlemagne's court
1,200 years ago, and just downstream on the River Meuse
is Maastricht, birthplace of the European Union.
At this crossroads of five countries, the heir of such a
proud history, how could two sunny children
simply disappear? Like Eurydice, they seemed to have
been swallowed up by the earth, taken to some
netherworld that mortals could only guess and shudder
at.

All guessing ended last week when the netherworld's
curtains parted, and Belgians sensed that their
homeland had suddenly transformed into the heart
of darkness. Amid an outpouring of grief and rage
unlike anything in recent memory, Belgium buried
its smallest of missing citizens in a pair of white
coffins. The Liege funeral, broadcast nationally
on television, followed a week of one shock,
heartbreak and outrage after another. Police had
dug up Julie's and Melissa's bodies in the backyard of
a house owned by Marc Dutroux, 39, an unemployed
electrician who had no fewer than six houses in
and around Charleroi, some 70 km southwest of
Liege. After interrogation, Dutroux had led authorities
to the burial place and admitted killing an accomplice,
Bernard Weinstein, whose body was found in the
same backyard garden. Dutroux also disclosed a
hideaway where two other abducted girls, ages 12
and 14, were still alive. They emerged pale and
tearful from a homemade dungeon hidden behind a
cellar cabinet. The 14-year-old's mother said her
daughter had been drugged and raped several times,
and the 12-year-old had been sexually attacked as well.

So wrenching was the pace of these discoveries
that Belgians had not finished feeling relief over the
rescue when they heard of Melissa's and Julie's
fate: starved to death after spending nine months in the
underground dungeon, their food supply cut off
when Dutroux went to jail for another crime. As if all
that were not hideous enough, the jobless handyman
then confessed to the abduction of yet another
pair of girls, An Marchal, 17, and Eefje Lambrecks,
19, friends who had disappeared while vacationing
on the Belgian coast last August. Police said they
had reason to believe these teenagers may still be
alive elsewhere in Europe--perhaps swept up by
an international ring of pedophiles and sex slavers.

Concern for these missing youngsters intensified,
and Europeans in general recoiled in horror from the
tale. It exposed a macabre underground of child
molestation that most people like to think could not
exist--at least not in placid, enlightened Europe.
What revolted public opinion most, however, was the
way authorities had so mishandled these cases.
They had long known about the prime suspect and his
prior record, could have seen that he lived far
beyond his ostensible means and even searched his
premises more than once. Yet they inquired only
in a desultory way, and they cold-shouldered the
victimized families' anxious inquiries and offers to help.

A convicted rapist, Dutroux was paroled in 1992,
just three years after his sentencing to 1312 years on
multiple charges of kidnapping, unlawful confinement
and sexual violation of five girls ages 12 to 19.
The grounds for his release: good behavior. As
recriminations engulfed the Justice Ministry last week,
the police got scorched as well. Leaked documents
disclosed that investigators had received tips about
Dutroux's designs on children as long as three years
ago, and that late last year they had visited the
house where Melissa and Julie were being held
captive. The visitors left when Dutroux told them the
children's voices they heard were those of his own kids.

"The system is worthless," 36-year-old Jean-Denis
Lejeune, Julie's father, told TIME last week. "All
we can hope for now," he said, "is that their deaths
will have served a cause." In f

[CTRL] MINISTERS DOWN UNDER MANDATE BIOTECH FOOD LABLES, ALLOW LOOPHOLE

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MINISTERS DOWN UNDER MANDATE BIOTECH FOOD LABLES, ALLOW LOOPHOLE

By Bob Burton
CANBERRA, Australia, August 4, 1999 (ENS) - Some genetically modified foods
will carry identifying labels but Australian and New Zealand health
ministers have created a loophole that has angered consumer and
environmental groups.
Copyright Environment News Service (ENS) 1999
For full text and graphics visit:
http://ens.lycos.com/ens/aug99/1999L-08-04-03.html


  Environment




 Ministers Down Under Mandate Biotech Food
 Labels, Allow Loophole

 By Bob Burton

 CANBERRA, Australia, August 4, 1999 (ENS) - Some genetically
 modified foods will carry identifying labels but Australian and
New
 Zealand health ministers have created a loophole that has
angered
 consumer and environmental groups.

 After a tense seven-hour meeting Wednesday, the ministers
reached
 a compromise agreement that requires only some genetically
modified
 foods to be labelled.

 The Australian New Zealand Food Standards Council ministers
have
 "agreed to require mandatory labelling of foods produced using
gene
 technology and food in containing genetically modified
ingredients."

   Grant Tambling is Senator for the Northern
   Territory (Photo courtesy government of
Australia)

   Chair of the Food Standards Council,
Australian
   Senator Grant Tambling, said that under the
   agreement some foods produced using gene
   technology would not need to be labelled if
they
   fall below an as yet undetermined "threshold
   level" of genetically modified material.

   Australian Consumers Association Policy
Officer,
   Mara Bun, rejects the concept of threshold
 levels. "The idea of threshold levels for modified ingredients
in foods
 to trigger disclosure is unlikely to be accepted by consumers.
 Consumers want to know absolutely, whether the foods they eat
do
 or don't contain even small amounts of modified ingredients or
 ingredients obtained from modified plants," she said.

 "Threshold levels can be eliminated if food companies are
required to
 audit their supply of ingredients for genetic status. It's
planned to
 apply this method to qualify for a 'NON-GM' label, so it should
also be
 used for disclosing the presence of any GM ingredients" Bun
said.

 Soy foods that are
 guaranteed to contain
 no genetically
 modified soy beans by
 Australian Natural
 Foods Holdings Ltd.
 (Photo courtesy ANF)

 The Australian Food and
 Grocery Council argues
 that it should not be
 expected to label
 products "if suppliers
 don't know, if there is no
 identifiable difference between GM and non-GM ingredients or if
there
 is no reliable diagnostic test."

 The health ministers agreed that food manufacturers' labels may

 state that the foods do or do not contain genetically modified
 ingredients or that "foods might contain genetically modified
 ingredients approved by health authorities."

 Over the next month, Australia New Zealand Food Authority will
draft
 the new food standard on labelling. The ministers are scheduled
to
 ratify it at a meeting in October.

 The ministers also supported voluntary measures proposed by the

 food industry including 1-800 phone information services as
well as
 posters and leaflets in stores.

 Bob Phelps convenor of the Australian Gene Ethics Network, a
pure
 foods group, said, "Posters, leaflets and 1-800 numbers
supplied by
 companies are not an alternative to comprehensive labelling and
are
 a recipe for disinformation and propaganda."

  Logo of the Australian Gene Ethics
  Network (Image courtesy AGEN)

  "By deliberately withholding key
  information on controversial new food,

  indust

Re: [CTRL] Diet of worms solves gut problems

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I do not want my immune system damped down
like in AIDS, MCS, MS, Diabetes,
EPD (Enzyme Potentate De- senseiation)
seems to do when done wrong, ect
I want to know if I am having a reaction to
pesticides, herbicides, or anything else that
I need to stay away from.

Instead of worms (since I read that
ulcers are usually cause by bacteria,
I opt for a higher dose of acidophilus
in my diet - instead of worms!
piper

Hilary A. Thomas wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> 'Yum,' she thought digging through her shelf for a cookbook.
>
> Hilary
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_412000/412142.stm
>
> Wednesday, August 4, 1999 Published at 17:52 GMT 18:52 UK
>
> Diet of worms solves gut problems
>
> Parasitic worms could hold the key to good digestive health
>
> Drinking live parasitic worms has been found to be an effective treatement
> for Crohn's Disease and Irritable Bowel Disease (IBD).
>
> Researchers at the University of Iowa think that the virtual elimination of
> such creatures from the human gut over the years has left the body
> vulnerable to the massive immune reactions which typify the conditions.
>
> Although only six sufferers took part in this trial, the results were so
> impressive that larger experiments could now follow.
>
> All six were given a drink containing microscopic worms which can survive,
> although not reproduce in the human gut.
>
> Between two or three weeks later, their symptoms completely disappeared,
> and stayed away for about a month.
>
> A sterile existence
>
> Dr Joel Weinstock, who carried out the tests, said: "We're living in boxes,
> breathing sterile air and drinking sterile water.
>
> "As we've de-wormed, people have developed immune systems which are not
> damped.
>
> "The worms living in the gastrointestinal tract have been with us for three
> million years, and our immune systems have got used to their presence."
>
> Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis and other forms of inflammatory bowel
> disease appear to be cause by an overactive immune system, which causes
> inflammation in the digestive system.
>
> Symptoms include abdominal pain, bowel obstruction and bleeding.
>
> The condition is incurable, and normal treatments include steroids, which
> can reduce the inflammation, although these have been known to produce side
> effects.
>
> Dr Weinstock pointed out that the rise in such diseases over recent years
> has coincided with a reduction in the incidence of parasitic worms in
> humans.
>
> Four tenths had worms
>
> As little as 70 years ago, he said, 40% of US children enjoyed the company
> of worms which could grow up to 20 centimetres long.
>
> Dr Mark Cottrill, a Lancashire GP with a special interest in IBD, said the
> use of worms was certainly novel.
>
> He said: "I'm always open-minded about any innovation, even though
> treatments have become much better."
>
> He said that he occasionally found harmless worms living in peace in his
> patients when he examined them with a colonoscope.
>
> He said: "You do see these white things which don't like the light and
> wriggle away."
>
> Other scientists, such as Dr Balfour Sartor, from the University of North
> Carolina, are experimenting with the use of bacteria to damp down the
> immune system in IBD patients.
>
> He said of Dr Weinstock's work: "It's an appealing way of using something
> that's of fairly low toxicity to treat a set of diseases that for now we
> don't have a cure for."
>
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Re: [CTRL] Endocrine Disrupters (reply part 1)

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Do I hear Monsanto (MS No Nato),
and give me a
Home School Legal Defense Fund
a
CHADD (children and adults with attention depisit disorder)
-- courting of homosexuals (lesibians) even to the extent
of someone putting out that Chelsie is suspected of being
a lesbian.
Why - look for an overseas article about infants developing brests
I heard of it - supposivly they put the picture of the infant
on the front cover and it caused a major contraversy overseas.

**  Does anyone want to fill in any more blanks like
Dioxion tests
Monsanto Water control
Deep injection wells of hazardous chemicals
some people thinking that they can stay around with clonned
bodies for hundrends of years - need to get rid of some of the
new kids to do that of course.
HOW
Well Hitler was a ding bat - by the time of WW1 and 2
people like me and you had already been taken care of
who was Hitler shelling for?  Parts of - -
Yale

Tarpley, Webster G. & Anton Chaiktin.
"The Unauthorized Biography of George Bush" 1992. 15 Apr. 99 <
"http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bushb.htm#Table" >or the new link at
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
This book follows the Bush family connections
from 1914 to the present. From the time of George's grandfather,
Samuel P. Bush, the Bush family has attempted
to stay involved in politics. The book seems to show that since
the family could not rate by having royal blood
lines (that rate) or by having a high degree of education, that they would try
to control by a philosophy of "The one with
the most money makes the rules." They believe in "racial cleansing"
and have cultivated people like Adolph Hitler.

Ewall, Mike. "It's no accident that Coors is
the right beer in America." Corporate Accountability Project 12 Dec.
1995. 15 Apr. 1999 < http://www.corporations.org/coors/index.html >
Mike Ewall's article Should be titled "The Other
Adolph, Adolph Coors of Coors beer." This article details Coors
connections with Ex-President Bush and how
Coors and Bush both have a policy of "Racial
Cleansing." Coors is
anti-environmental, anti-gay and seemingly
against anything and anyone that stands in their way of making
money.

Rockefeller Drug Censor Empire
< ftp://ftp.tetrahedron.org/pub/Rockefeller_Drug_Censor_Empire.txt >

Das GOAT wrote:

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>
>  It's been thoroughly documented by now that estrogen-mimicking chemicals
> in the environment (human beings are awash in them) are causing gender role
> reversals, loss of interest in sex and/or sterility, and weakening of the
> immune system in fish, reptiles, amphibians, and mammals.  The "big news" in
> today's headlines is that Establishment Science is finally admitting that the
> same effects COULD occur in human beings (being mammals TOO) -- but
> Establishment Science refuses to extrapolate further, insisting that it dare
> not draw any conclusions until after ANOTHER GENERATION of study ...
>  In many newspapers, that situation is being "spun" to sound as if the
> link between certain sexual abnormalities in human beings and environmental
> pollution has now been DISproven, or "is NOT PROVEN," at minimum.  But that
> is NOT the case -- quite the opposite, when you read the fine print -- if the
> newspaper hasn't selectively omitted it.
> It's just that, frankly, the scientific community is FREAKING OUT at the
> implications.
>
> Some Chemical Exposure OK for Humans
>
> By H. JOSEF HEBERT
>
> WASHINGTON (AP) - While adverse health impacts cannot be ruled out, there is
> insufficient evidence to suggest that exposure to hormone-disrupting
> chemicals will produce additional cancers or infertility, a scientific panel
> says.
>
> The panel of the National Academy of Sciences in a report issued Tuesday
> emphasized that more research was needed about the possible harmful effects
> from exposure to these chemicals known as ``endocrine disrupters.''
>
> The academy's 16-member research panel said that while it was clear that
> exposure to the chemicals at high concentrations could adversely affect
> wildlife and human health, ``the extent of harm caused ... in concentrations
> that are common in the environment is debated.''
>
> Environmentalists and a large number of health experts have argued that there
> was growing evidence that a wide range of synthetic chemicals affect estrogen
> levels and even at low doses could lead to cancers, neurological problems and
> infertility.
>
> As a result, the Environmental Protection Agency has directed a massive
> screening of more than 15,000 chemicals to try to determine what is the
> greatest risks from human's exposure to these agents in the environment. The
> screening and tests, which will be conducted by industry, is expected to take
> three or four years.
>
> Some researchers have cautioned that these compounds at low doses over many
> years may increase breast cancer, a decline in sperm counts and reproductive
> disorders in males.
>
> But the academy's research committee found as yet no 

[CTRL] How to go brain dead in easy links

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http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/chem.htm
How many of you realize that the brain cells
are nerve cells that have myelin sheaths on them?
check out the Canola Oil and how it strips the myelin
sheath off of nerves!

Here are some other links as we go brain dead.

No MSG. < http://www.nomsg.com/ > This is
about current legislation to approve
the use of MSG to spray
 plants as a growth aid.  Comments
about the spraying will close this month.

Acidophilus
Ultra Bio-Logics Feed
< http://www.ctv.es/clean_world_hispania/feeds.htm >
Acidophilus for animal feed.
Nutrrigen
< http://www.ozemail.com.au/~darrenpotts/nutrigen/products.html >
needed for “mouth,
stomach and intestines to aid in the
digestion of food.”  “eight essential Amino
Acids used by the liver to synthesize
the other 158 Amino Acids.” “22% Glutamic
Acid (recognised as a brain fuel).”

Cell Tech’s
< http://www.mailorderfoods.com/members/celltech/acidophi.html >
“helps prevent the growth
of harmful bacteria (pathogens).”
“Antibiotics, some cortisone-like drugs,
birth control pills, alcohol, some food
additives, caffeine, chlorinated or fluoridated
water, and stress, can destroy the
natural intestinal flora.”

What can kill the “friendly” bacteria?  <
http://www.montrose-clinic.org/education/nutr/f_bacteria.htm >
 “Antibiotics…leaving the intestines at the
mercy of the opportunistic bacteria
and toxins.” “Too much sugar, a bad diet,
certain oral contraceptives, aspirin, corticosteriods,
yeast, and too much streess…enabling the
harmful bacteria to flourish, thereby causing
putrefaction and the manufacturing of toxic products.”

Antibiotics
Farm Use of Antibiotics Squanders Precious Drugs. <
http://www.cspinet.org/new/antibiotics.htm >
 “More thaan 50 scientists and 41 health,
consumer, and other groups today
called on the Food and
Drug Administration (FDA) to ban the
use of certain antibiotics to fatten
livestock.” “Adding antibiotics to livestock
feed can lead to antibiotic resistance in foodborne
pathogens.  That can make cases of food
poisoning difficult to treat of even deadly.” “prevalence of
antibiotic-resistant enterococci bacteria in
chickens declined from 82% to 12% in three years.”

Chemicals
Pearch, Fred and Debora Mackenzie. It’s
raining pesticides. New Scientist 3 april 1999. 12 Apr. 1999
< http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19990403/newsstory12.html >
“a new study reveals that much of the
precipitation in Europe contains such high levels of
dissolved pesticides that it would be illegal
to supply it as drinking water.”  Has Novartis’
weedkiller Target and Monsanto’s Glyphosate
herbicide round-Up on it.

Recer, Paul. Dioxin Exposure Linked to Cancer.
04 may 1999. 04 May 1999
< http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559425333-2a0 > Dioxin is
one of the chemicals in the herbicide Agent
Orange.  Refers to exposure to dioxins in the
environment decreasing.

Montague, Peter. Missing Boys.
Rachel’s Environment and Health Weekly.
16 apr. 1999
< http://www.monitor.net/rachel/r594.html >
“increasing birth defects of the
penis and testicles…” “hypothesizing…linked
to exposures to hormone-disrupting
chemicals including dioxin, pesticides,
lead….” “chlorophenoxy herbicides and/or
fungicides, the male proportion among
children born with defects to workers who
apply pesticides was 0.735, compared
to a male proportion of 0.607 for births
with defects among the general population.”

Statement from the World Wild Life Fund. 1992. 11 May 1999.
 < http://www.worldwildlife.org/toxics/progareas/ed/con_1.htm >
“demasculinization and feminization of male
fish, birds, and mammals: defeminization and
masculinization of female fish and birds;
and compromised immune systems in
birds and mammals; defeminization
and masculinization of female fish and birds;
and compromised immune systems in birds
and mammals.”

No MSG. < http://www.nomsg.com/ >
This is about current legislation to approve
the use of MSG to spray
 plants as a growth aid.  Comments
about the spraying will close this month.

Samuels, Adrienne. Monosoduim Glutamate. 10 May 1991.
 < http://www.annapolis.net/members/holland/food.txt >
This article details what can happen to
people and children when they eat MSG,
so I assume that this can happen to
animals as well.

Pollution –and-- Misc. Chemicals
Leavenworth, Stuart. Coastal playground
turned killing ground. The News and
Observer. <  > Hog
Lagoons “Other coastal regions – from
Hong Kong to Venice to the Chesapake Bay –
Have suffered from similar problems.
Maryland and Virginia are spending
millions on a campaign to clean up the
Chesapeake, and in Florida, state and
federal regulators are trying to control
fertilizer runoff into the Everglades
National Park.” “But Paerl, the UNC
marine scientist, noted that overfertilized
waters can breed many kinds of toxic algae and bacteria.”

Greenwald, John. Hogging The Table.
Time Magazine. 18 March 1996. 02 March 1999.
<
http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/archive/1996

Re: [CTRL] America's "Mad Deer" Epidemic

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-- repost --

Bill Kingsbury wrote:

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>
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ronnie Cummins)
>  To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Subj: Center for Food Safety News #19 - June 4,1999
>
>  News and Analysis on Genetic Engineering,
>  Factory Farming, & Organics
>  by: Ronnie Cummins & Ben Lilliston
>
>  America's "Mad Deer" Epidemic:
>
>  A Public Health Time Bomb Set to Explode?
>
>  As we pointed out in an earlier issue (Food Bytes #2, September 24,
>  1997), there is increasing evidence that the US has a growing
>  number of people coming down with the human equivalent of Mad Cow
>  Disease, called CJD (Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease).  Although the meat
>  industry, the blood plasma cartel, and the Centers for Disease
>  Control tell us there's no need to worry, that only 250 Americans a
>  year are dying from this incurable brain-wasting disease, we remain
>  skeptical.  The CDC and the USDA tell us that it's not necessary to
>  make CJD an "officially reportable disease" (whereby doctors are
>  bound by law to look for it and report all cases to the federal
>  government), or to scientifically test farm animals and Alzheimer
>  patients for the disease, but mounting evidence indicates that as
>  many as 40,000 Americans (or 1% of the nation's 4-6 million people
>  diagnosed with Alzheimer's Disease or dementia) may actually be
>  wasting away with CJD.  See the book Mad Cow USA: Could the
>  Nightmare Happen Here? by John Stauber and Sheldon Rampton
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>
>  To call attention to this growing public health hazard and to force
>  the government to take action (i.e. to stop the widespread practice
>  in industrial agriculture of "animal cannibalism," the feeding of
>  waste and diseased animal parts back to animals, and to make CJD
>  an official "reportable disease") lawyers at the Center for Food
>  Safety filed two legal petitions in Federal Court in Washington
>  on January 7, 1999.  For details on the CFS legal petitions see
>  
>
>  In Britain and Europe the meat industry's former feeding practice
>  of animal cannibalism has unleashed a fatal Alzheimers-like
>  dementia that is killing a growing number of young victims who ate
>  contaminated beef from mad cows.  Some experts predict hundreds of
>  thousands of Britons and other Europeans may die in the decades
>  ahead due to the long and invisible incubation period of this
>  brain-destroying illness, called "new-variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob
>  Disease" (nvCJD).
>
>  Europe has now banned the feeding practices that spread Mad Cow
>  and nvCJD.  However, in the U.S. the dangerous practice of "animal
>  cannibalism" continues unabated -- with government approval.
>  Although the FDA passed a so-called "mammal-to-mammal animal
>  feed ban" in 1997, the regulation is filled with loopholes, and,
>  according to farmers and ag experts, is not being enforced.
>  As Dr. Michael Hansen of the Consumers Union stated in Genetic
>  Engineering News in July 1997 [the FDA] "rule exempts swine,
>  horses, blood, gelatin and milk from the feed ban... [and] still
>  leaves the door open to spreading of a TSE... [Transmissible
>  Spongiform Encephalopathy]"
>
>  Heretofore unpublished internal USDA and APHIS (Animal Plant
>  Health Inspection Service) documents such as "Bovine Spongiform
>  Encephalopathy in the USA" (July 1993) recently obtained by the
>  Center for Food Safety under the Freedom of Information Act and
>  published on the internet  make it clear that the
>  US government knows that a form of US Mad Cow Disease is already
>  likely present in US cattle and in the food chain.  According to
>  government estimates it is likely that at least 36 animals per year
>  are slaughtered in the US with Mad Cow Disease.  The Clinton
>  administration has prepared an elaborate contingency plan for
>  "damage control" once the first US Mad Cow is confirmed.
>
>  As evidence grows that TSEs (Transmissible Spongiform
>  Encephalopathies or Mad Cow-like diseases) are infecting sheep,
>  deer, elk, and other mammals in the US (including humans) billions
>  of pounds of rendered fat, offal, meat and bone meal continue to be
>  fed back to cows, pigs, chickens, fish, household pets, and elk and
>  deer.  (On so-called deer and elk farms where hunters pay fees to
>  shoot them, deer and elk are often fed rendered animal protein).
>  Rather than invoking the "precautionary principle" to protect human
>  health, the powerful U.S. beef and industrial agriculture lobby has
>  convinced the government to issue a watered down feed ban while
>  waging war against free speech by lobbying for "food disparagement
>  laws" in more than a dozen states, criminalizing the actions of
>  those such as Oprah Winfrey and Howard Lyman who have spoken out
>  for food safety and warned of an impending Mad Cow-like crisis in
>  the USA.
>
>  Although the apparent increase in